The Unmade Podcast - 26: Unsent Tweets

Episode Date: May 30, 2019

Tim and Brady discuss draft tweets (and emails), 'moderate' developments, pancakes, and Tim casts doubt on a cherished childhood memory. Hover - register your domain now and get 10% off by going to hover.com/unmade - promo code UNMADE at checkout - https://www.hover.com/Unmade Support us on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/unmadeFM Join the discussion of this episode on our subreddit - https://redd.it/buuo5n USEFUL LINKS Tim's Twitter - https://twitter.com/tim_hein Brady's Twitter - https://twitter.com/BradyHaran Rundle Mall - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rundle_Mall Peace, Joy, Pancakes - https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Friede,_Freude,_Eierkuchen The Pancake Kitchen - https://theoriginalpancakekitchen.com.au

You've done your two minutes of pre-show preparation? I have. I may have done three, so I may be a bit over-prepared. Oh no, you don't want to sound too studied and rehearsed. I think three minutes of preparation is excessive. I just wanted to check something and I started going down a rabbit hole. Fact-checking? Yeah, I know, I know.

People aren't here for facts, Tim. They're here for wild speculation and third-hand information that may or may not be true oh in that well in that case i'm definitely over prepared there i was just checking on something and i'll later in the show i'll after we've talked about it i'll illuminate you on what i was checking because it was a bit of a dead end so you're gonna drop a knowledge bomb maybe you shouldn't tell us. And that should be like a game for people listening. Can they spot the one piece of information in the whole show that was actually researched beforehand?

That's true. That's a really good, interesting point. We'll see how we go and we'll see how many other things that we wax lyrical about and pretend to have expertise about and and and then we'll see how well disguised my research is yeah the actual the actual fact is oh that's it that's the fact i'm sure that was it no you're wrong i just made that up but we need to get people off the scent so you need to go first now because okay change tack here's my idea for a podcast this is a podcast that is all about emails or tweets or social media posts or pieces of online writing that you drafted that you wrote but didn't send okay in this podcast you will you'll read them or talk about them and talk

about what you wrote why you wrote it and why you never made it public, which kind of undermines the whole purpose of not sending it than talking about it in a podcast. But let's ignore that fact for just a second. So, it's unsent drafts. So, there's a few categories of this that come to mind, right? Even straight away. Well, sometimes my computer's done some things where it saves a draft of something that i eventually do send you know you come back to it for a few times and it's like hang on i did send that but this is a slightly earlier draft so there's that sort of incomplete you know what

i mean you don't need it as a draft later i think like it problems and misuse of technology probably is the least interesting category of this podcast but yes that is yeah yeah legitimate category you'd get all those out the way in the first 10 or 20 episodes just just to clear the way for the good stuff right yeah which is just just to build the anticipation yeah okay that's right just to um build up to those i mean a draft is a classic of of here's an email i want to send and i'm full of passion and gosh that i sent it and you just i'm gonna sleep on it and then come back the next day before i send it to someone there's that kind of draft email yes that's more that's a bit more

what i'm looking for yes that's a category i am interested in yeah yeah and what else is there there's there's if there's not mistakes then there's the classic one for me and this is this is more the one i'm thinking of because i have such a long list of these now that i could share with you and that is the frustrated tweet about something happening in politics that day that i drafted and redrafted about 50 times and then thought i probably shouldn't send this and make this public because I'm like you know a semi-public figure and people don't like hearing people rant about politics so I have this incredibly long list of tweets about Brexit and American politics and things that I've written some snarky remark or frustrated remark about that day's events that I've drafted and redrafted

sometimes I'll probably spend 20-30 minutes on it, on a tweet. Yeah. And then I think I probably shouldn't tweet this. 20 to 30 minutes on a tweet. Yep. Wow. Yep. And then not send it.

And I have loads of them. I've got my phone in my hand now, Tim. I'm going to call up Twitter because I usually save them as drafts. I usually think, oh, maybe if later on I still feel this, I'll send it. And then I never do. Twitter drafts are a bit different from email drafts, aren't they? But yeah, drafts, the idea is, yeah, a really good one. I'll call up mine as well.

The first three I've got here are me being angry at a company and not sending it. And then we've got one about Brexit, one about Brexit, just a normal one that I didn't send for various reasons. Another company one, One about Star Wars. And then we go into another angry... Actually, most of them seem to be ones where I'm angry at companies that I think, thank God, I probably shouldn't send that. Quite a few where I'm complaining about things in sport.

I've got one here all about Manchester United and sports commentary. One here that I thought was really witty about public architecture, and then it didn't make the grade. Another one complaining about a train company. Did you say complaining about architecture? Yeah, I was trying to be funny. It's not even, you know, I know this will be hard for you to believe, but sometimes I come up with jokes that aren't that funny. And this was one that even I realised wasn't that funny. Your comedy work in architecture is renowned.

I realised it wasn't that funny. Your comedy work in architecture is renowned. I know, I know. I'm surprised how many of these are about sport. One about complaining about a TV presenter. And then here we go, we're getting politics now. One about parliament. One about the prime minister.

One about politics. One about Russia and US. One about US politics. Another one about US politics. One about Theresa May. There's just this whole long list of... Another one about the politics another one about US politics one about Theresa May there's just this whole long list of another one about the Prime Minister another one about Brexit there's this long list of like

you can just see my political mood over the last few weeks and I just don't end up sending them most of the time but I think that would be interesting oh what did you say? why didn't you send it? I mean if this was a real podcast by the way it wouldn't necessarily just have to be the same people every week because, you know, the world would run dry pretty quickly

hearing Brady talk about political tweets he didn't send. But you could have guests on, couldn't you? You could have various, various people talking about things they sent. You could also talk about famous drafts. I guess it could veer off into drafts of books and things like that that never got published. Yeah, yeah. But that's another thing. Yeah. I like the idea of keeping it quite electronic. The email that never got sent, the tweet that never got sent. Because you'd also start learning a bit about the way people think and life lessons. Like, I think I've over time

gotten better at knowing when to pull my punches. Like when I go through my email drafts, most of them are more work related and they'll usually be me complaining about something or saying, I think you shouldn't have done this that way. And then after writing it and getting it out of my system thinking, what do I gain from saying this? Like, so I don't send it. It's just maybe writing it got out of my system. And I think that, saying this like so i don't send it uh it's just maybe writing it got out of my system and i think that i think learning what people don't send teaches you a lot about where they are in their life and i bet you'd be really good at this i bet you don't i bet you're quite good at not sending your bad you probably don't write them because you're a nice guy but i'll tell you what i'm not good at finding where the drafts are on twitter you get you go as if you're going to

write a new tweet right this is hang on i'm on i'm on a desktop tweet um twitter okay it's a bit different hang on it should it should be there should be a little thing that looks like a feather or something to write a tweet and then there's sometimes a button that says drafts but well there's just a big button that says tweet um i definitely have drafts hang on i'll have to go over to my phone hang on a second tim has this weird setup for recording our podcast where his phone is actually what we're talking on and it sits over in the corner of the room so it doesn't interfere with his microphone it's very strange you think after all this time i can still hear that you know yeah i know i know it's a very strange setup so uh you think he would just

talk amongst yourselves while i'm doing this tim's only one step away from doing the podcast with two cans and a piece of string oh here it is drafts oh yeah no well i've got hang on i'm just gonna email them to that i'm on the desktop you know what i mean that i'm working on so yeah master of technology you make me look good i'm surprised you aren't taking a photo of them and then developing the pictures in a tray of solution hang on i'm just in the dark room waiting for the pictures to come through so what have you done you've screenshotted your drafts and you're emailing them to the computer you're sitting at so you can leave your phone in the corner of the room it's actually genius if you

if you really think about it i've managed to i have thought about it and it's not genius that i screenshot something and and emailed it it to the laptop near me. I just want people listening to know what you're listening to has been edited. And what actually happened was like 10 times more painful than what you just heard. Anyway, what do you got? So you have got lots of drafts. Are there any themes developing immediately? Look, there's a few.

There are a few things that I've gone on and sent later so every now and then i'll think of a tweet idea and then i don't send it and then i think of it again and do send it without actually going into the draft okay and or forgetting that i drafted it yeah so there's a few things that are just like a song lyric that's applicable to a sport or a moment in sport yeah i'm a bit i'm a big one for that i think by the looks of it getting a quote or a moment in sport. I'm a big one for that, I think, by the looks of it. Getting a quote from a song that means something and putting it out there. I quite like that. There's some, you know, moral sort of observations about life and- Is there a theme you can see to perhaps why they weren't sent? Like, for example,

the reason most of mine aren't sent is because I think it'll just upset people and cause like anger. And I just can't be bothered with the repercussions of that. Like everyone, you know, the politics and the, so like, you know, I've written it and then thought this is just more trouble to me than it's worth. I probably shouldn't say it out loud, but it sounds like yours aren't like that. It sounds like you aren't doing controversial things. You're just like thinking, oh, maybe that's not clever enough or interesting enough or. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. There's, there's, they're not passionate. There's a few negative things and there's sarcastic things there's a few things

where i've gone well you know like of course you know xyz on this tv program or film here you know what i mean or now but i i think i think better of i don't like having the sarcastic or a whiny tone on twitter i don't you, there's the sort of the moralistic sort of thing. And then there's the voice on Twitter that's whining about things. And I'm not talking about genuine concern about genuine issues, you know, but there's, there's a whinging about things that I don't like. And I can, well, and of course I'm human, so I do that too, which is probably why it really irks me. But you sort of have that moment where you look at your tweet and you go, nah, I'm not going to say that. That's just going to sound, you know,

like the kind of thing that I'd roll my eyes at probably. God, you must roll your eyes at my Twitter a lot. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm very judgmental of your Twitter. I like it, actually, when you break out and say something, because I know you must be really passionate about it, particularly about politics and something. You go, oh, look, this is particularly about politics and something you go oh look this particularly about brexit and i go oh this is interesting this is you know brady's really um it's at the surface of you if you saw how many unsent drafts there are you'd realize yeah to actually make it through the process yeah it's like it's like no i've got to say something i guess i'm trying to tweet when i feel like i'm

saying something insightful which is a bit pretentious i guess but or i'm i like things that are insightful and so i have a few things here that i think are really insightful like that i've observed about human nature and i i think at the last minute i get the feeling i don't think this is particularly insightful but but because i've thought of it i don't delete it like i save it like yeah maybe it is insightful or maybe it's time has not yet come you know maybe maybe it will just be saved and put into the tim hein archive after you die where like scholars can pour over these are his thoughts that didn't even make it to twitter it's right this is this is right when i'm given that honorary doctor of letters it'll

be because of you know someone discovered the richness of his twitter draft unsent tweets he's unsent unsent it would be good to somehow be able to there's a plot line of a film or a moment where suddenly someone everything that someone thinks they've deleted has been tweeted and everything that they think they've tweeted has been deleted and the kinds of trouble that gets them into you know what i mean oh gosh there's a few things here telling people off they're sort of more general you know what i mean like you know yeah um oh yeah no i won't i won't there's a reason i don't want to say there's a reason they're left unsent i realize this is probably one of the problems with my idea is that a lot of this stuff people won't want to make public.

Let me tell you a couple of my unsent ones for you. Go, go, yeah. I mean, some of it is just so trite. It's just like, oh, I just deleted one by mistake. Oh, I just deleted my draft. Did you delete it or did you tweet it? Did I? Yeah, I just tweeted it. Let's tweet. Let's check.

Here's one. I just screen captured the star of the Star Wars saying a long time ago in a galaxy. This probably comes under your category of thinking it was insightful and then realising it wasn't and therefore not sending it. I screen captured like the star of Star Wars where it says a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. So, I... And I was thinking about that. So, I wrote, I've never really explored the theorising or the canon about exactly how long ago this happened. And have people pinpointed the galaxy in which Star Wars supposedly happened.

Because there is like, at the end of Empire Strikes Back, you see a galaxy, don't you? That they're kind of Luke and Leia looking out the window as the Millennium Falcon flies away towards like the centre of the galaxy. So, I've always wondered, have people looked at that galaxy and figured out, oh, that looks a bit like this one. So, maybe this is where Star Wars was set. So, basically, I want to know, I want to get rid of the vagueness. How long ago did Star Wars happen and how far away was this galaxy? So, I just wanted to put that out there and see what people came back with. I think what

actually happened then was i then went onto wikipedia and started doing a bit of research about the galaxy and learned some stuff but i still don't know how long ago it happened and then you got distracted by reading up on how different presidents have died over the years and yeah sorts of things that you like to read up on basically i went down those same yeah formula one crashes and the usual things that's right yeah yeah the the thing it was a big moment for me when i was a kid when i suddenly realized that this futuristic movie which because all of star wars feels like it's in the future because it's got spaceships and stuff was actually a long time ago and that was a bit um disorienting for me my young mind at one stage here's another

tweet man and this will lose a lot in being read and not tweeted and also it probably is just crap and it but it was supposed to be like it was supposed to be funny and then i realized people wouldn't realize it was funny and lots of people would think and then i was trying to change it to make it funny and the more i the more i tried to change it to make it funny the worse it got and it ended up just going nowhere but i'm just reading it because it's an example of um an unsent tweet. And that's what we're talking about. To give the context, you know how sometimes you'll see someone post like a weird name, like, you know, Bluebell 43.

And then they explain how they got that. Like, what's the name of your first flower and the name of the street you lived in or something? So, I wrote Rover Hillside 442. the street you lived in or something. So, I wrote Rover Hillside 442. And then I write, what is the name of your Star Wars spaceship? To find out, post the name of your first dog, the street you currently live in, and all four numbers of your bank pin. And I thought that would be... I thought...

I was hoping people would react like you, but then I thought a whole bunch of people would say, that's so irresponsible and you shouldn't... I also... I played around with the draft. Like, I considered adding to it. And for the colour scheme of your spaceship, post a full picture of your credit card

currently at the front of your wallet. Anyway. That's very good. That's very good that's very good didn't send it i just i don't know lost my moment you want to hear a politics one don't you well yeah they're they are rare from you and and um it's because i've always observed you as being someone who has a passing interest in politics not a a strong interest, but a passing interest. And you're a journalist, so you're kind of interested in everything kind of equally, but I've never known you to be passionate about it. Like when we went to election night parties and stuff like that over the years, you know, you seemed reasonably, not indifferent, but quite like, oh, well, that's what happened. There we go. So it's really interesting to suddenly see you

really frustrated or to imagine you're frustrated when I'm reading tweets about things. But maybe that's just a sign of exactly how, you know, polarising or strange politics has become. Here's one because it never gets, it's like this elephant in the room that never gets dealt with. And I cannot find a way to ask it in a really non-partisan way that everyone will think I'm being really anti-Trump. So I wrote this, right?

And I wrote, I ask this in a non-partisan way. Everyone seems to agree that Russia attempted to affect the US election, right? How do Republicans typically explain why Russia really wanted their guy to be the one who won? Why was it in Russia's interest for Trump to win the election? That just seems to get ignored. Like everyone says, yes, yes, the Russians tried to affect the election. It's really bad. We must stop it happening again.

And they never stop and think, well, yeah, but the Russians were supporting one side. Why were they supporting that side? Like, and that kind of just gets completely ignored now by both sides. Give me one of your like, you know, deep, meaningful, brooding song lyric ones that didn't make the light of day. This is not one. And I can't remember. It's not one of what you're saying. But it's like if I was a great songwriter, some of these would be lyrics, which is pretty scary.

And of course, if I was a good songwriter, then I also would be writing good lyrics. And so I wouldn't have these. There would be a whole other. You'll be the first musician to release an album full of previously unreleased material having not actually released anything before. That's right. My debut album is full of songs that weren't good enough to make an album.

That's right. There's a few of these I'm not sure if they have been sent or not or if I sent them later. As I mentioned before, there's one here that I think is kind of insightful. It's about Ricky Gervais. I don't know if Ricky's on Twitter or not. Well, yes, I do.

I know that he's all over it. I know. That is, I write here, the abiding theme of the work of Ricky Gervais is status anxiety. So I was just thinking that all the way through his different shows, things that he talks about and comments on is status anxiety. So I was just thinking that all the way through his different shows, things that he talks about and comments on is status anxiety. The status of someone who's trying to be higher than their station is all through the office, but it's also in the way he talks about himself, about the fact that he's really successful later in life, but that he doesn't care about being successful, but he does care about being successful. And when he does the opening of the Golden Globes, he's always, you know,

hamming up and paying out celebrities for the sort of bizarre status that we have them on. And it just seems to be a really abiding theme. Like Extras was about giving dignity and status to these people that are largely often not got the spotlight, which is the Extras. Yeah. So I was just observing that seems to be an abiding theme, a meta-narrative, if you like, of his work. Maybe you should have tweeted it.

My wife recently tweeted Ricky Gervais and he liked it. He liked the tweet. Oh, there you go. Maybe he'll like this one. Do you know who liked my tweet last week? Who? And it was a political tweet. Mark Hamill.

Mark Hamill. Luke Skywalker himself. Can you believe we live in an era where Luke Skywalker himself is reading things that I write? That is amazing. I wouldn't have thought he was that passionate about Brexit, but there you go. He saw my tweet. It was about Theresa May. He liked it. There we go. You want us to sit and ponder that for a bit longer, don't you, man? I know.

As long as you like. I thought maybe you'd wandered off to the corner of the room to fix your mobile phone or something. Good. I was just saying, Mark Hamill's at the door, so I'm just telling you I'm recording. We're recording, Mark. All right, come back later.

He's come to personally visit you to tell you about the tweet I did last week. That's right, that's right. He's holding a phone pointing at your later. He's come to personally visit you to tell you about the tweet I did last week. That's right, that's right. He's holding a phone pointing at your tweet. Did you see this? Did you see this? Because he knows that's how you like tweets. You haven't learned about the like button yet. You need people to hold the phone in front of you and point to it.

That's right. I like it. You say it out out loud that's how it works yeah like yeah yeah so drafts is good we didn't get we didn't talk so much about the emails but the drafts are good and probably probably there's a sense the draft the email drafts are likely to be longer more fulsome you know kind of examples of what we've got and they they're probably more personal tweets go out to the universe you know what i mean but emails are more personal so yeah which means we're probably even more reluctant to read them out um yeah if they fall into that and they're more they're more sprawling and make you look crazier because you've had more words to

show how crazy you are that's right that's goes on and on. And you seek to clarify yourself again and again. I find when I'm composing an email and I'm needing to explain something or it's going round and round, I stop and look back over multiple paragraphs. And if you've got multiple paragraphs in an email, then you know what I mean? You've not quite hit upon what exactly it is you want to say. And I realize that I've tried to say the same thing in a couple of different paragraphs. And you're going on and you realize I have to delete all this and just try and say much more, you know, elegantly and pithily and accurately what it is that I want to say. And, you know, take all the should and the must out of it. Yeah.

You know, soften it and so forth. And yeah, a good night's sleep is often a good way to do that. Another thing I've learned that I do, and I don't know, I can't fully explain why this is, but the longer I spend drafting a tweet, the more likely it is to have a mistake. Because as you keep writing it and rewriting it, like, and this sounds silly for something that's so short, but you know, you suddenly start working on the first sentence and then you go back to the second and then you go back to the first sentence and you'll make a change halfway through the third sentence. Suddenly you start introducing all these contradictions in, like, tense and duplication. Yeah. And it's more and more likely that you're going to put a mistake into it.

And, like, I'll spend half an hour working on this tweet. And then the minute I press the button, I'll be like, oh oh i just wrote the twice or something like yeah yeah i know yeah yeah we need a spell check there is a spell check in twitter there is one isn't there there is two there's not a grammar check though no there's not no they need an insightfulness check to tell you whether your tweet is sufficiently insightful dim deep yeah do not send this is not deep enough there is kind of an insightfulness cheek in it in the sense that it's um and it's a very passive aggressive one it just means if after a week there's no likes whatsoever it's like oh yeah this was ignored it was not insightful then you realize you're going through your drafts oh

oh that's right tim basically treats his actual twitter feed as his draft folder if it gets likes he leaves it if it doesn't he just deletes it do you ever do a tweet that you're so proud of like you think oh that was so witty that night you'll go home and you'll be like sitting with your wife or something and you'll say, so check out this tweet I did today. What do you think of that? I have done that. Isn't that terrible?

I have done that. Just the 38 likes in case you didn't notice. Eight retweets. Four replies. notice eight retweets four replies and you hope she'll just look at you and go well you are insightful that is insightful i must admit that's a brilliant i'm gonna crochet it and turn it into a framed thing on the wall that's very good and then they'll just look and just go yeah very good yeah no twitter is an interesting phenomenon i enjoy enjoy it better than Facebook. I don't... Facebook does not much for me, I must say. Facebook's poison.

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I promise we can do better than this. Hopper's not angry at us. They're just disappointed. Look, I've got an interesting idea. I hope it's an interesting idea. In fact, I think it may be a bit of a game changer in the podcast world or certainly in the unmade podcast universe. This podcast idea is called Moder moderate adelaide developments so moderate adelaide developments moderate adelaide developments yeah it's it's in some ways

i think a bit of a climax of of of um things we've touched on in the past the longer name for this is moderate adelaide developments since Since Brady Was a Kid. Right. Which sort of covers on for the fact that things have changed, man, and things are being developed around Adelaide, and I think the universe is interested. So this is like when you say developments, you don't necessarily mean like property developments.

This could just be like happenings. No, no. I mean property developments. Property developments. Okay. like happenings no no i mean property developments property developments so there's like oh they've built a block of flats at the corner of morfett road and cliff street well what would happen in this podcast is you'd ask me tim what's happening around adelaide have there been any developments and i'd say sure and then i'd tell you about one of them like for instance here's one you remember Rundle Mall, right? Vaguely, yes, mate

It's a mall and it had a It had brick paving, right? Yeah Well, now it's got new paving What kind of paving has it got? Well, it's sort of grey paving Oh, yeah, they've had that for a while now Oh, okay, well, there you go

See, it's not a great development It's just a moderate Adelaide development. Yeah. So, it's just things that have, physical things that have changed since I was last there. That's right. That's right. Calm down, man. What is the game that your game changer has changed? This may not be as funny as I originally thought it would be. I mean, don't get me wrong. If there was a podcast called Moderate Adelaide Developments Since Brady Left Adelaide, I would listen to that podcast. Me.

But I think I would be the only person who would listen to it. Here's another one that might be of interest. You know, you know, the Myer Centre, right? Yes. On Rundle Mall. On Rundle Mall. That's right. That's right.

Well, you know how there are different levels that go up, right? Yeah. Of the Myer Centre. right that's right yeah well you know how there are different levels that go up right yeah of the meyer center well what they've done at at these at these little bridge areas where you walk over from one side to the other side of where the shops are yes they've coated it in sort of a a wood colored coating and it looks quite nice is it wood colored or is it like fake wood well it's brown it's sort of a brown color i looked at it and i thought it looks quite nice i Is it wood coloured or is it like fake wood? Well, it's brown. It's sort of a brown colour. I looked at it and I thought, oh, it looks quite nice. I've got a photo here.

That's a definite starter for moderate Adelaide developments since Brady left. It is. It's a moderate Adelaide developments. Does this mean that major developments would be precluded from the show? Well, if there are any major Adelaide developments that occur they'll be considered the redevelopment of adelaide over would be a 19 part special well that's that's probably outside outside the scope of a moderate adelaide development that actually is that's probably considered a a an actual development like an actual development right so would the closer

of the sofa shop be a moderate development like would that be on oh no that's no that's a big development that's a major development right that's the spinoff podcast major adelaide developments that's right that's less popular this may not be as funny an idea as i thought it would be but anyway it's interesting to hear about see that's what it isn't it's not interesting to hear well you say it's not interesting hear about. See, that's what it isn't. It's not interesting to hear about. Well, you say it's not interesting, but when I actually do come to Adelaide and we catch up, how much of the time is spent of me telling you about things that have changed since I was there last time? And like my outrage at all of it. Your outrage about it all.

Yeah. I sort of, I don't know. I feel like Adelaide should be kept as a time capsule just for me. So that when I go back, it's like, as I remember it from my childhood, like the most, the most inane places in Adelaide should be kept as a time capsule just for me. So, when I go back, it's like as I remember it from my childhood. Like the most inane places in Adelaide. There's this dry cleaning store in Adelaide that I never went to in my life. Because when you're young, you don't need dry cleaning. And it was near where I grew up.

But it was just a nice building. It was an old heritage building that had been restored and turned into a dry cleaners. And last time, and it's just, it's right near, it's actually right near the August moon where I get my honey prawns. It's on that road there. Oh, right. And I drove past it last time I was in Adelaide getting my honey prawns and it had been demolished. And I was like, I couldn't believe it.

Like it affected me emotionally that it was gone. This nothing little dry cleaning store that I'd never been in in my life and that had the audacity to knock it down and change it since i was there oh there you go there you go see that well this is sort of a bit of a joke idea but perhaps it actually is a podcast just for you man like it's a podcast there's an idea we always think a podcast is something that's for as big an audience as possible what if you made a podcast that was just for one person you were just making it for one person but you still put it online but just for that one person and just every time you were trying to convince them to sign up with hover this one person just never got them you're just playing the long game

so thanks for listening again brady again i just want to tell you about hover it's like for the fifth month in a row it's like it's just me you've told me about hover after 10 episodes all right all right i'm going on to hover and they go on to hover and they sign up there we go in the next episode have you been back to hover because they wouldn't be a next episode because hover would say well now we've signed him up we don't go to sponsor you anymore so there'd be no reason to make the podcast so yeah they'd move on to someone else it'd be your own it'd be the undoing of your show the time you find in fact the ad should probably be don't sign up to hover yet like just give it a few more give it a few more months actually speaking of adelaide. Because you might remember in the last episode,

I spoke about that story I wrote when I was in year three and how I won the diary from my year three teacher called Mrs. Delbridge. Oh, yeah. Do you remember it? Oh, well, who could forget this? IJM, you know, Ingrid. The spy called Ingrid. So anyway, after that, I suddenly just got compelled to find out whatever happened to Mrs. Delbridge.

Bearing in mind, she must have been my teacher 35 years ago, something like that. So I looked her up and I tried to track her down and I figured out that she had retired only last year. And I sent her a message and I said, I'm sure you won't remember me. I was this kid in year three but we talked about you on a podcast I do and in case you're there I just thought I'd send it to you and you'd hear it you'd like to hear the story about you know something nice you did that affected my life and amazingly she messaged me back wow I won't read it verbatim but I'll give you the gist of it she said that is fantastic and this was the amazing thing because I know teachers don't

usually remember students especially like from that time ago and she didn't remember the diary or the story of ijm spoilers i don't want to get people too excited but she did say i do remember you if i remember correctly you played a lamb in the year three christmas play i produced every year which is true and that's like one of my abiding memories of school was being the lamb in the Christmas play. I had to sing, you know, I said the sheep with the curly horn. I still remember everything about it. Wow. I was amazed she remembered that.

Then it goes further. And also it explains why she remembers it. You played the lamb in the year three Christmas play I produced. And every year I hang a Christmas symbol on the tree that you gave me. So I think what happened was my mum's quite good at thoughtful presents. And she gave Mrs. Delbridge at the end of the year as a gift from ostensibly from me, I guess, but obviously I didn't think of it. She gave Mrs. Delbridge like this cute little lamb ornament and she's kept it all these years and still puts on the tree. And Mrs. Delbridge even sent me a picture of it.

So she sent me a picture of this little lamb. Oh, that is fantastic. So that's why she remembers me. So anyway, so Mrs. Delbridge said, like, you know, I remember you. She said, thank goodness your story had a good ending and I'm glad you won the diary. When she says that she's glad you won the diary, like, she was the judge. She gave you the diary. Yeah, but she obviously didn't remember the story

So when she was listening to the story on the podcast She obviously heard me talking about how much I wanted it And how hard I worked for it So she's glad that I won it Like you know If she'd given it to the other girl instead of me It probably would have been a tragic story So she was glad it had a happy ending

Oh I don't know I'm wondering if there might be more to this story What are you suggesting well you know what i mean like she gets a gift oh you won something i'm glad you won and it's like wink wink i'm glad you won i really like the presents i got oh tim you're you've undermined one of my most cherished childhood achievements. I'm starting to think there might be some corruption. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, Mrs. Delbridge.

How many gifts did your mum send to your teachers? Tim's thinking, gee, Brady won a lot of awards in high school, didn't he? School captain, hey? School captain. Imagine. Just after the principal got that new car. With the fancy personalized number plates. That's right.

It's all coming out now. Wow, this is interesting. I want to know what your mum and dad did for you to win the swimming carnival. That would have taken quite the gift. Well, I think that might have been, you know, there's a carrot or a stick, and your mum chose the carrot. Right. But I just noticed, remember, there was the swimming carnival, there was no one else able to swim in the race that I swam.

And you have to ask the question why couldn't they swim what was in that sports drink your dad gave me and all the other guys yeah i see it now i see it now i wanted to share that nice exchange with mrs delbridge which you've now turned on its head and completely, basically ruined my childhood. So thank you for that. I'm just joking. I'm sure it was a great story, man. That is actually really sweet. That is lovely.

Because it's one of those things that's true. And we've found this out over the years is that teachers, you imagine that your teachers will remember you, but, of course, you know, they have thousands upon thousands of students over the years, particularly high school teachers, obviously, where they have so many more classes. It's just unrealistic and impossible. So it is, yeah, really lovely that she remembered you. That is, that's great.

We'll do your other idea next time because we're running out of time so your your your your alleged better idea we'll do next time have we have we used the the fact you researched yet or was that not used no no that's not used oh so we've managed to keep the whole podcast fact-free in case. That's right. There has been no facts in this podcast. Excellent. Excellent. No, that's for my idea that's, yeah, I'm going to hold it. I'm going to keep it there ready for next time.

I'm pretty happy with it now, especially because it has two minutes of research that's gone into it. Yeah, we'll save those. Save those two minutes. I'm just scrolling with my eyes shut up and down some ideas from our patrons. When you tell me to stop, I'll click on one and we'll do that person. All right. Stop.

All right. Here we go. This one comes from Matthew from, I bet you can guess where he's from. Canada. Yep. From Toronto. You Canadians, you're the best they're our top patreon supporters and by the way if you support us on patreon you too can have your ideas on the unmade podcast that includes you tim all right all right in fact the only reason i let

tim do ideas on the podcast is because he supports us on patreon he's a uh matthew is a university student studying mathematics and business uh interesting facts about himself he includes uh that he is incredibly passionate about languages he can speak english german french and some czech and italian and he's also learning hebrew and polish wow wow that's impressive impressive how many languages can you speak? Oh, only English. I did a year of Italian and then I did a year of French. So I've got the hello and goodbye of both of them and a little bit of Dutch because dad was Dutch.

But that's all. What about you? You don't know any other languages. Nah, I'm rubbish. I'm rubbish. Matthew says, I'm often driving and like nothing more than to realize that a new podcast has been released just prior to a long drive sometimes i would delay the listening of a podcast by up to a week if i know that i have an upcoming drive is that a compliment

to us or an insult like shouldn't he want to listen to it so much that he can't wait no i think it's a compliment you're saving it to to really um right you know go i want to listen to this properly i think that's what it is okay yeah okay here's his podcast idea matthew says discussing interesting quirks or nuances about individual languages each episode would be focused on a specific language and you would bring in a native speaker and quiz them about their language you could discuss idioms, sayings, grammar rules, anything that would be interesting to a non-speaker of that language. For example, oh no, I'm going to have to try some French here. The French have a term called l'esprit d'escalier, which means staircase

humour, used in English for the predicament of thinking of the perfect reply, but too late. The Germans have a saying, Freid, Freud, freud oikushen which translate to peace joy and pancakes what does peace joy and pancakes mean i don't know but i like it yeah so there you go i know my words are likely inconsequential in the long run but i'm a huge fan of the podcast thank you for all the time and energy you spend putting it together you're welcome and thank you for your idea matthew what do you reckon? Peace, joy and pancakes. I would call the podcast Peace, Joy and Pancakes. Oh, yeah, yeah. What do you think Peace, Joy and Pancakes could possibly even mean? It might mean reconciliation. Like, you know, we are going to eat together now,

like happiness, forgiveness or something like that. That's the context you might use it. Hang on. I'm looking up a website thing here. Literally, peace, joy and pancakes. The origin of the phrase is uncertain. It is attested in print since 59. Basically, this means A-OK. Like, you know, everything's good. Oh, OK. Does that make sense? Oh, yeah.

How are you? You OK? Is your leg OK? Peace, joy and pancakes. I tell you what, I'm going to start using it because I like it. I like it. All right. There we go.

How do you like your pancakes? Do you have a preferred way you always want pancakes? Oh, do you mean like toppings and stuff? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I thought you meant like, you know, well done or medium rare. I was like, how many different ways can I have my pancakes cooked? I didn't know there were options here

Let's go really deep on this, man How hot do you like the pan? I like them, yeah, what's your preferred diameter? I mean, I'm definitely sweet with my pancakes I do like pancakes with bacon and maple syrup Which is a bit of a North American thing And I have come to really like that But I don't mind a bit of lemon and sugar if they're really thin.

Yeah. Or I'm always up for just like, you know, some ice cream and syrup as well. What about you? Oh, look, I love maple syrup. Yeah. A lot. Yeah. Yeah, it's good.

I'm much more into the sweet. I like maple syrup and a little bit of ice cream or something like that. Yeah. More than the savoury crepe. That doesn't do it for me, I have to say. Particularly because they seem, they're quite cheesy. There's a lot of, a bit That doesn't do it for me, I have to say. Particularly because they seem quite cheesy. There's a bit too much cheese on it for my liking. Speaking of moderate Adelaide developments, by the way,

is the Pancake Kitchen still there in that little lane? I don't think it is. I don't know. Because they used to do lovely pancakes with that little salty butter on a little bowl of that salty butter on the top and you'd pour the maple syrup all over it. What about Bertie's? Is Bertie's gone as well?

That was the other pancake place right near the pancake kitchen. I don't know what Bertie's is. It was like the pancake kitchen, but it was just the other side of King William Street. I don't. The original pancake kitchen, Gilbert Place, it looks like it might still be there. I have a vague memory of it closing, but no, no. It looks like there's still, well, there's a website there and everything. I haven't been there for a long time. There's a french crepe place that's opened up on in the east end that

i've been to which is nice no i don't want your fancy pants new ones i want my old-fashioned pancake kitchen and i want it still with that logo that is the lady with the long flowing hair so this is a pretty legendary place because it's where we had our year 12 breakfast do you remember that when we i don't think i don't think that's why it's famous like i don't think that's on its website it is it is it's what i'm surprised that i mentioned it on the website though it must be here somewhere class of 93 i'm looking i'm looking at their children's menu and they've got this thing called the mad hatter which is a buttermilk pancake cooked with m&ms topped with bacon and your choice of cream and ice cream m&ms and bacon and ice cream what a time to be

alive no that's sickly i can't do that that's too much don't knock it until you try it they used to have a thing called the german feast or something it's eggs and bacon and stuff with pancakes and i look back on that and go gosh i can't i couldn't eat that that's too much now there comes a time in your life when you're young right it's it's it's like food is about i mean there's yummy food and then there's the other stuff you have to eat when you're young but it's all about quantity yeah and somewhere in life it moves from being about quantity to quality right and that's a very important transition i'll let you know when that transition happens that's right so i've heard I've heard. I've heard that happen.

Yeah, like your ultimate, like when you're a kid and your parents say you can go anywhere you want for dinner, you would always choose a place that is all you can eat, like a buffet. Yeah, yeah. Because that's like, that's the height of fine dining. Oh, this is posh. It's all you can eat. It's buffet. That's right. Wow.

Well, whenever you'd have a steak, you just order the, what's the biggest steak? You just want the biggest steak because obviously that's the one you want. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's just all about the quantity. 250 grams, 300 grams. Like why on earth would anyone order the 250 grand Scotch fillet steak when there's a 300 gram one? That just doesn't make sense.

Next time I'm in Adelaide, we're so going to the pancake kitchen. They still have the same typeface that they've always had, but I can't see, like, their old logo, which was like that woman's face. No. And I don't know why they would have done away with that logo. It was so iconic, unless it was somehow inappropriate in some way that I'm not attuned to. They're on Uber Eats, man.

Pancake kitchen on Uber Eats. That's not right. Imagine Ubering some pancakes. You have to be in the pancake kitchen to have pancake kitchen. I mean, pancakes, you really could make yourself, couldn't you? I mean, why Uber? Some things it's just like, well, hang on a second. You could just, it's like Ubering a cup of tea.

It's like you could just make a cup of tea, couldn't you? Pancakes are a bit more elaborate and hard to make than like a cup of tea. You have to flip them. I can't flip a pancake without making a total mess of it. You know, it's only called the pancake kitchen in Adelaide i grew up in melbourne it's called the you know over in victoria it's the pancake parlor it's probably just a whole different place no no the same sort of place it's just a whole different yeah yeah i'm sure it's the same with the same typeface

You know Adidas is only in South Australia In Victoria we had Nike It was called Nike over there The Bank of South Australia has only called that in South Australia In Victoria we call it the Bank of Victoria No, no, no, see this is the Pancake Parlour And that has the woman's face on it. Oh, it has got the...

So maybe Pancake Kitchen got thrown out of the franchise and can't use the face anymore. They've still got that sort of ye olde western type face that they use. But they have got the lady's face. The lady's face with the fork. Yeah, yeah. That's here on the pancake parlor. Interesting. Very interesting.

Yeah, yeah. I mean mean it's moderately interesting i'm not even sure it's moderately interesting are we still recording is this oh that's right yeah it's got the it's got the word lovely under the lady i did i didn't remember she was holding a fork but yeah and it's got lovely underneath yeah why has the pancake kitchen in adelaide no longer got the lady's face in all their marketing and yet the pancake parlour in Melbourne does? If you know the answer, just probably just keep it to yourself,

but I guess you can email if you want. I may be forced to go in and do some research at the pancake kitchen. Oh no, Tim on the case again. You're going to have to quit your normal job and your full-time job is just going to be wandering around adelaide answering questions that have popped into my head about the history of adelaide i'll uh i'll probably give preference to the food related ones