The Unmade Podcast - 27: Misunderstood

Episode Date: June 23, 2019

Tim and Brady discuss changing minds, misunderstandings, the Piano Man duet, Jurassic Park, historic events and register http://www.timhein.ninja with show sponsor Hover. Hover - register your domain now and get 10% off by going to hover.com/unmade - promo code UNMADE at checkout - https://www.hover.com/Unmade Support us on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/unmadeFM Join the discussion of this episode on our subreddit - https://redd.it/c4ct9q USEFUL LINKS Brady's Dad - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLky6yurD40o4ul8xen0x-BKBKCCkMpgrD All or Nothing - https://amzn.to/2J1m3mp Bose Noise Cancelling Headphones - https://amzn.to/2Y3Kwhq Lychee - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lychee Lamb's Fry - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamb%27s_fry All Terrain Scout Transport - https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/All_Terrain_Scout_Transport Billy Joel sings Piano Man - Amazon - https://amzn.to/2L7hx8N Piano Man on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxEPV4kolz0 And on Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/track/70C4NyhjD5OZUMzvWZ3njJ BMX Bandits - https://amzn.to/2RvNUzd Heavy Plant Crossing - https://www.omniglot.com/blog/?p=12588 Jurassic Park ending with winged creatures - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD5BrkdiY-E Jurassic Park film - https://amzn.to/2IBGFTq Halley's Comet - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halley%27s_Comet Sinking of Titanic - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_RMS_Titanic Josephus - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus

I'm pumped. I've actually got, I've had a real burst. I know. I've never known you to be so excited before a show. You're like, I can't wait to do it. You're happy with your ideas. You're all excited. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, it's not even the ideas. I was just looking forward to it all day today. Yeah. So it's nice to hang and nice to talk. But I'm excited about my ideas. But I actually wrote down one of them and then I handed up having two more that just came to mind as I was sitting there. So.

Do you ever run your ideas like by your family and stuff before recording or do you keep them to yourself? The kids ask about them. So I tell them. Oh, really? Do they ever give you feedback or suggest ideas as well? Immediately. I don't ask for feedback and they go, I'll go with that one and not that one.

Oh, wow. Yeah, they're pretty harsh. Are they big fans of the show? Yeah. Yeah, very much so. Who's their favourite, you or me? I actually don't know or I'm not admitting to myself, but they are big fans of...

And I'll often mention you, like, you know, like they'll say something about a friend or I'll do something with a friend and they'll go, huh, Brady. Do they ever say they wish Brady was their dad? Do they ever say they wish Brady was their dad? Not to me, no Not yet Well, I'm sure they're pretty happy with you

I think I'd be pretty happy with you as my dad I am a great dad, awesome I hope my dad doesn't listen to this He'll be really upset when he hears me say that I wish Tim was my dad Your dad has the best moustache of any dad i've ever known that's for sure he does he's got a good one it's oh it's it's just such a dad thing to have a big bushy mustache i reckon and um i can't do it but oh gosh he does he does he does it well you know that my dad's mustache conceals a scar that he got when he was attacked by a dog when he was a boy i know

you you tell me that every single time i mention his moustache, which is, this is probably the seventh time in 30 years. I didn't want to break the streak. Yeah, I'm intrigued by it. But do you remember the last time you saw him without a moustache? He's never not had a moustache while I've been alive. Is the scar penetrable, like able to be seen? Can he pull the whiskers aside and you can see it and stuff?

I remember moments in my childhood where this was done and he would say, oh, it's under here somewhere. But I can never actually remember seeing it. Maybe it's like a great myth. I've seen pictures of him. I've seen pictures of him with the stitches, though. It was right before he got married to my mum. He got attacked right before the wedding. My dad had open heart surgery.

He got attacked right before the wedding. My dad had open heart surgery. So he had a massive, one of those big zipper scars, you know, down his belly, down his chest. I remember I would see that when he would wake up in the middle of the night, just wearing his underwear to tell us off for talking too loud. And just walk into the room in his underpants and say, you two shut up. And there he was with this great big scar on his chest. This big zipper.

Yeah, yeah. That was a real novelty when I was a kid. Obviously a novelty for you when you were teenagers. All right. Who's going first? Look, I'll go first. I'll go first. I'm happy.

All right. This is an idea that I can't think of a cool name for the podcast, but maybe just saying what's on the tin might work this time, which is simply, I changed my mind. Yep. I changed my mind. This is a podcast where people come on and they talk about a time when they changed their mind. You know, there's the famous quote from John Maynard Keynes who says,

you know, when the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir? And so there's this sort of in several TV shows, but I guess I'm thinking of the West Wing moments when, you know, that sort of wheeled out as being a great moment where someone, instead of just arguing to the death about their point of view, they actually stop and go, hmm, I've changed my mind. I'm willing to have my mind changed. I've changed my mind. I'm willing to have my mind changed. And you strike me as someone who I've seen pull this tactical maneuver in the midst of an argument, which totally wrong foots you. But you kind of win, but it's sort of empty because you've got the upper hand by making

the good mind. I've changed my mind. Yes. Okay. Here we go. But I'm interested in that moment. What causes someone to change their mind clearly to believe strongly one way and then go another way and i've got a couple of examples here but yeah firstly you get what i'm talking about does this premise sound interesting intriguing to you so far yeah it yeah it does it sounds like it would be quite a good podcast not not a podcast about changing people's mind but actually just people reminiscing about what changed their mind there is a there is a subreddit called i think the change my view is probably the one i'm thinking of which is all about all about this where people will sometimes go on and i think

sometimes they'll basically say this is what i think and ask people to change their views like a conversation will will ensue i think there may even be a couple of sub reddits along these lines but i know it's a thing i know it's a thing and i i would quite like listening to this i'd love to hear your examples that might help me give me a better idea of where you're going with this well i think i think a podcast like you said where you're trying to change someone's mind is of limited interest in fact every podcast and every twitter and every facebook comment ever is about trying to change someone's mind this is actually actually, you know, you're kind of reflecting going, I used to think this and then my mind changed. Now, look, there are examples you could draw upon about geopolitical issues and all sorts of things.

But I actually thought it would be a bit more interesting. I've drilled it down to two things that I've changed my mind on that came to mind very, very quickly in the enormous amount of research that, you know, I do for the show. Yes, yes. The first one is the NFL, American football. Yep. I've changed my mind. Yep. I, for many, many years, I've found it incomprehensible and uninteresting.

I've been disinterested in it for my whole life. And I've tried to be interested in it at different times. Like when the Super Bowl's on, it's broadcast in australia and random games and over many many years i've sort of feigned a bit of an interest from time to time or looked at it with some interest but i've got a good friend john and he's a massive fan of nfl and he's talked about it and he's not tried to change my mind but somewhere along the line i've changed my mind about it and i've kind of got it. And it was through a documentary series called All or Nothing, which I think is on Netflix. I saw it on Netflix or iTunes or somewhere. And it follows...

Which you talk about all the time, like it's the first time you've told me about it. Oh, have I mentioned it to you before? Yeah, even on the podcast. Have I really? I didn't... Are you really? Yeah, you talk about it all the time. I don't talk about it all the time.

It might have changed your mind, but it certainly doesn't stick in your mind. No. Anyway, it's a documentary series that, as listeners will be widely aware, because apparently I go on about it all the time. Apparently I haven't changed my mind about this. I've been on about this for years. Yeah. Let me ask you this, though, Tim.

Let me ask you this. Because you have mentioned that you really liked this documentary, which I am familiar with, but I haven't got around to watching yet. And I'm someone who used to think the NFL was just a confusing, crazy game. And now I quite like watching American football. But have you really changed your mind? Like, do you sit down and watch complete NFL games from start to finish now?

Or do you just like this lovely distillation of the documentary that's made for people who don't watch entire games and enjoy listening to your friend talk about it? Or have you changed your mind to the extent where you now sit down and watch from kickoff to final hooter games of NFL football? All right. There are two things to say here. The first one is I've changed my mind like three times on this. Like as in last year, I got really into this documentary and I was looking forward to the season starting and then when the season started I kind of went

off it and I was just watching AFL our local Australian rules football and then merged into cricket and so I kind of changed my mind off again and then I've changed my mind in the off season now back onto it again and so I've watched the doco again and I'm kind of onto it I've changed my mind in the off season now, back onto it again. And so I've watched the doco again and I'm kind of onto it. And I've been looking through YouTube and all that kind of stuff. But it's reasonably hard to find footage of entire matches and stuff here. Well, you can just subscribe. You could just watch them on.

Yeah, yeah. I actually did try and subscribe. But there's something about my Apple TV that doesn't allow. I guess I could just watch it on the actual laptop. But there's something about it that doesn't allow it it needs to be updated to the latest apple tv or something like that be honest with me how many games have you watched from start to finish of american football from start to finish from start to finish i would have watched two matches in my life and one was back in 1993 right so so it's so in the last 26 years you've watched one game of nfl football i am going to argue yeah that your mind has not yet been completely changed well maybe my mind

has but let me qualify this more perhaps my mind i used to not enjoy documentaries about nfl and now i do enjoy documentaries okay okay. Okay. That's fair enough. But there was a third time my mind was changed. Because it seems, and my friend John keeps paying me out about this too. He goes, your mind always changes about this in the off season. And he says, and then we get to the real season and I want to have a conversation and you're kind of, you know, distracted. And I'm like, so he also is a little bit, I think, frustrated by my,

I've not really, yeah, shown, put my colours to the wall, colours to the masket, I guess, have I? Okay. Yeah, okay. I have been, I also, though, this week saw the film Concussion, a Will Smith film, and that kind of made me feel suddenly a little bit nervous about it as well. I've been cheering for these teams and watching the Dallas Cowboys

from the inside and, you know, thinking how interesting it was. And then having seen this film, the NFL comes off like a bit of a bad guy, not totally embracing some of the injuries. And I don't know the full story. I only know the film from that. But I was thinking, oh, hello, this is a bit interesting. I'm not sure what remedial sort of work has been done since then. But I am looking forward to NFL season.

And, yeah, my mind has been changed. It is more positively disposed. And what's your second example of your mind being changed? Walking. Walking. So you may remember back to our Hank Green episode. So when we had Hank on and we were talking about things we weren't good at and I fumbled out something about

bushwalk or something like that yeah and what i meant really in that context was that i don't particularly enjoy it but i have to say i've changed my mind about walking i i i've enjoyed getting on the headphones and getting out for a long walk has been something that's really grown on me and i'm really quite enjoying it and some and look forward to it so I've changed my mind about walking what made what caused the change um well I bought some decent headphones recently like I bought some Bose noise cancelling headphones so that made a bit of a difference I'm not sure you should be going out walking in Bose noise cancelling headphones no I am very cognizant of that, of, you know, that's right,

cars and traffic and all that kind of stuff. Or muggers, you know what Adelaide's like. Oh, you reckon people just come up and grab them and run away with them? Well, or like, you know, your valuables. Oh, gosh. Just get some, use your Air Bud things for walking in. Well, I do that and I've done that many times and that's great. But are you honest?

But for running, they're best best they're pretty good for running but i mean you're not going to run with with the big bows ones on no they're more for like airplane flights and all that kind of stuff but you you honestly you'd be concerned about me walking around adelaide with noise cancelling headphones on not because of my safety but because someone might mug me i was joking about the mugging but i do think you should be more aware of what's around you when you're out walking. Yeah, yeah. I would only wear them if I couldn't find any other headphones for walking. Because it's not like there's that much noise that needs cancelling either when you're out on a walk.

It's not like, you know, aeroplane noise, which you need to get rid of. No, but you don't need the noise off feature. It's just pristine sound. It's just beautiful music. You can get lost in the music. And that's the thing I like. It's getting lost in the music. And that's really interesting. Fair enough. So, two massive life-defining issues there, walking in the NFL. What about you, man? Yeah. What have you changed your mind about? I've got two, because you did warn me pre-show

that you wanted to know something I'd changed my mind about. And I had a think, and I've come up with two. Yeah. The first one, eggs. Wow, really? This is a big one. My official position was I hated eggs. Yes. And I can't even remember ever eating an egg until I was well into my mid-30s. And then my wife just said, how can you not like eggs? I'm sure you'd like eggs.

And I just said, look, just accept it. I don't like eggs. No. So, she like cooked some eggs and I ate them and I was like, do you know what? They're all right. And now I will sometimes even just voluntarily cook some eggs and put them on toast or something. I now am a person who eats eggs. Wow.

I still have a bit of conditioning. Like, I'll still order no eggs on something. eggs. I still have a bit of conditioning. Like I'll still order no eggs on something. If like, like a sausage McMuffin, I'll ask for no egg because I don't, I don't think eggs are a big improver of things, but I can eat them and I don't mind them. And I will sometimes just eat them for the sake of it. So my mind was changed about eggs. Wow. That is a big one. I remember that from you. I wasn't aware of that change. You hadn't released a press release or anything about it. No, no. You kept it in-house up until now?

Yeah, I didn't want to make too big a deal of it. In what way did your wife make the eggs? Were they fried or were they poached? I think she went down the poached route that first time. Wow. And that is my preferred way to eat them. But more often I'll fry them now just because it's easier. Yeah.

Yeah. But poached egg would be my favourite. You know, I love eggs benedict. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I have eggs almost every morning for breakfast. I just love eggs.

There you go. I would have them like later in the day, but it's recommended you only have two a day. But they are like the perfect food. They're fantastic. The perfect food. That's a big call. Well, you know, I'm not dislodging KFC from its mantle, but I'm just saying in terms of.

KFC transcends food. What I mean is in terms of, you know, like health and it's cheap and it's available and it fills you up and it's good. You know what I mean? Like every diet kind of, I think, pretty much involves eggs. Like it's one of those, even if you're, you know, trying to get really fit, you still have eggs. And if you're sort of going out for breakfast going, oh, I'm just going to have a big breakfast. You still have eggs. Like they're perfect for every occasion.

They're fantastic. Eggs for every occasion. They're fantastic. Eggs for every occasion. They're in cakes as well as savouries. They're the little black dress of food. You just have to have one in your wardrobe. That's right. Well done, man. What's the...

So, eggs are back on. Yep. Eggs. Changed my mind about eggs. The other thing I changed my mind about was the movie Strictly Ballroom. Oh. Which the first time I saw it, I literally thought it was the worst movie ever made. What?

And every time I watch it, I like it more. And like, you know, probably even the second time I watched it, I was like, oh, no, this is all right. This is pretty good. And now I think it's a really charming film that I like. It is. I can't remember. I now I think it's a really charming film that I like. It is. I can't remember. I remember going to see that at the cinema. Were we together?

I don't think so. The first time I saw it, I remember, I think it may have been with you. I'm not sure though. I was at Glenelg cinema. I know that. The first time I saw it. No, then I'm pretty sure it wasn't. I'm pretty sure I was with a larger sort of youth group,

a bunch of people in Hindley Street, Greater Union. But I could be wrong. I could be wrong. No one changed my mind for me. I just watched it a second time through new eyes or a new me, a new prism, and I thought it was all right. It's a great film. I love it too.

I love the music. I love the humour. I generally don't like Baz Luhrmann films as a rule, but that one won me back. Well, I think we haven't mentioned that as well before. And I think this is his most charming film. Yeah, it's lovely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's got great humour and great, it's got Bill Hunter doing that sort of Australian bloke that he does, sort of actor and character. Yeah. I like the first

time i met you i didn't like you very much but but you know that could change you changed your mind about me my my mind may well be changed one day you're certainly not leaving it alone like you're investing a lot in because people say to me me, oh, Tim, he's a nice guy. He's funny. He's kind. You should give him another chance. So I said, all right, I'll make a podcast with you. We'll see what happens.

But I mean, I haven't had my mind changed yet, but I'm open to it. I remember not liking you very much at school early on. Well, you didn't know me then. You didn't realize how awesome I was yet. Well, no. It wasn't a good first date that's true my earliest memory of you is we're all running around in the in the gymnasium doing i think like even gymnastics like you know you bounce on that one thing you've got to get over that wooden thing and then land and i was standing behind you and i remember i don't know just i don't know you had, it was probably the fact you were totally indifferent to me and I was like, okay, you're a bit smug. I don't know,

somewhere along the line you started paying me out and I really thought that was funny and Why won't he just turn around and insult me? As soon as I started giving you a hard time you realized i was a good judge of character i noticed i'll tell you one thing i noticed one detail about you that i noticed one one was that in the mornings your hair was all wet and then as the morning would go on it would dry from like the bottom up like the ends would be dry and it would get slowly dry so i remember looking at your hair in line and going oh look the top's wet and the bottom bit's dry. And then by like lunchtime, your whole hair would be dry.

And I remember thinking that was really curious. So I don't know. I don't know what to say to that. I know. It was something of a phenomena, your hair at the time. Doesn't all hair dry that way? But surely over just like minutes? I don't know. Honestly, it was like a progression that would work its way up from sort of your semi-mullet

kind of thing at the collar, you know, all the way sort of up to your head. It would slowly dry. And it was just fascinating to monitor. Thanks, man. Now I feel really self-conscious about something that happened years ago. We used to run a book on what time your whole hair would be dry by and people would place bets. It was really...

I'm saying 11am today. Well, I'm saying 11.30. No wonder I couldn't get a girlfriend. It's never anything I've said out loud till now. But anyway, but then you were paying... Like, it's not a story I wheel out regularly. Thanks, man. But then we were.

I'm liking you less now. I'm not saying that's the reason I didn't like you. I'm just saying that was just a curious tangential thing. But then we're in that class, that English class. And then you said, oh, there was something about. You said, made some joke and i can't remember what it was and then mrs kolak told you off actually i think because it was like she perceived what you'd said to be too cutting and i was honestly not offended at all i was it was quite fine but then she sort of said brady and tim stay afterwards not that her

voice is that deep i'm just giving it authority, you know. And then she said, look, I just want to say there's a bit of banter between you two and, you know, is everything okay and all the rest of it. And you just sort of did it into PR mode, like, oh, yeah, yeah, Tim and I, we're great, we're friends. You know, you came over and put your arm around me. And I was almost wanting to get a word in going, oh, look, you know, look, I can see why you think that. But I'm really not.

But I didn't get a chance to sort of participate. You were just sort of, we're done. No, we're nothing to see here. It's all great. And then we walk away. But then for some reason after then, we like, I don't know, we did start hanging out a little bit and then became friends. Well, I had to keep the artifice going in case I got in trouble for that earlier telling. That's right.

I think the coast might be clear now. I can stop the pretense. 25 years. I'm playing the long game. What does she say? Hey, Tim. Hey, you two at the back. You, the one with the glasses and you, the one with the semi-dry hair.

Stay back afterwards. That's right. I regularly get emails from Mrs mrs colac just asking look i'm just checking i've heard you and go brady's podcast is everything okay there are you guys getting on okay yeah she's like are you two definitely friends because if this podcast stops i'll know you were faking it and then i'm putting brady on detention that's right that's exactly right well anyway see i like it yeah yeah i think this is a good i i i changed my mind it would be more interesting i mean you could get people to come in and talk about more substantial sort of matters you know why i significantly changed my

round about this issue or that issue or something big and something minor but i think even the smaller detail ones are um more interesting like eggs that is interesting about the eggs is there thank you i noticed as soon as i started eating eggs and got more eggs in my diet my hair more interesting, like eggs. That is interesting about the eggs. Thank you. I noticed as soon as I started eating eggs and got more eggs in my diet, my hair started drying more evenly. Is there a food that you got onto late in life that you thought you didn't like, but it turns out you did? Oh, I think mushrooms were one.

It was a reasonably early conversion. How often do you have a conversation where one person gets to go, oh, I think mushrooms. Like, you know, I'm hesitant to say it too confidently. I'm just putting it out there slowly. I don't want to go all in on mushrooms just yet. Well, I remember as a kid not liking mushrooms and then, because I have a funny texture about them, you know,

but somewhere along the line, even reasonably early, like late teens or something like that, I just suddenly realised, you know, fried up, they're fantastic. And now I just love mushrooms, really love them. Chuck them in for breakfast sometimes. Is there a food that you can't be turned on? Like, is there a food that you don't like and you think you're in for life now? That's it.

Oh, lamb's fry. Lamb's fry. I can't bear the smell of it. In fact, when I was a kid, it was I disliked lamb's fry so much that mum said, I know you're supposed to sort of, you know, get kids to eat everything, but it's the one thing Tim doesn't like. And so it's just fine. Like, it's just one thing Tim doesn't like. And so it's just fine. Like it's just one thing.

He eats everything else, obviously apart from mushrooms, but it's. Yeah, but like, that's like, that's not like a weird one, man. That's like, who would like, like what? Lamb's fry is like awful, isn't it? It's like testicles and liver and heart and brain. No, it's just kidneys, isn't it? It's not, it's not like haggis. It's just like kidneys.

It says here lamb's fry is lamb offal served as food, including testicles, liver, sweetbreads, heart, kidneys, and sometimes brain and abdominal fat. Oh, well. Some combination of these. Like, I think you're weirder if you do like that. Oh, well, I'm not going to argue with you. But for some reason, it was a big deal when we were young.

It must have been something that was often bought from the butcher and would ordinarily be regularly served in our house. Maybe it was really cheap. But you're making it sound like your mum thought it was like her responsibility to have her son eat lamb's fry, and she was almost being a bad mother by not forcing it on you, but she understood. She just, you know, this is the one thing you can't eat.

I know he's supposed to have vitamins and sheep testicles, but, you know, I just can't make him do it. I just can't get him to drink water and eat lamb's fry. I'm just thinking. Yeah. Look, I think there's a default setting maybe with a parent that says if like you have to like everything because one day my child will be at someone's house and they'll be served this. And it'll be really embarrassing if they don't like it.

You know, like someone gives them eggs and they just, you know, turn up their nose. That's really immature. So I just remember it's one of those you get served everything. And as a kid, you get served, you know, stuff that you don't like and you're supposed to learn how to eat it but i just remember getting a free pass and thinking that was awesome because i just can't and i still i still that if i smell the smell that i associate with it i i um don't like the smell and i yeah so i would never order it what about you you you've got a whole list of things that you don't eat on the band list. I have got a list of things. I cannot be turned onto tomato. I hate tomato.

But also light cheese. I'm convinced light cheese are testicles. That's how much I dislike them. And I'm always told, oh, I hate light cheese. And like my wife will say, oh, you must have just had a bad batch because they're delicious. Try these. And I'll sniff some or taste some and I'll be like, nah, I cannot stand that smell. Lychees, definitely.

I even don't like the word Lychees. Well, so I have two questions. One is tomatoes, question mark. Like that's just, they're like a cardinal. I hate the taste of tomato. What about tomato sauce and tomato soup and things like that? I like tomato soup and I like ketchup and, you know, and tomato sauce on like a pasta is fine.

Just like fresh tomato, I don't like. Oh, wow. That's fascinating. tomato soup and i like ketchup and you know and tomato sauce on like a pasta is fine just like fresh tomato i don't like oh wow that's fascinating um and lychee what what are lychees oh they're like a they're like a fruit um i don't actually know what they look like in the wild they're like a small they're a small white fruit how do you spell it um i'm trying to figure out how to spell it because i just tried to spell it and i ended up on Wikipedia and I ended up looking at some town in France. How do you spell lychee? I must be spelling it incorrectly. L-Y-C-H-E-E, a lychee.

It's a tropical fruit. They're like these little white, they've got this white flesh. Oh, yeah. Are they kind of like a strawberry? No, I love strawberries. They taste exactly like a strawberry? No, I love strawberries. They taste exactly like a strawberry, except I don't like them. They're similar in size to strawberries, but no, they're not like strawberries. Anyway, forget it, man.

Don't even try them. They're disgusting. No, they remind me of lamb's fry. So, yeah, we're not changing our mind about those things. No. So, that's a whole other podcast. Things I'm not changing my mind about. And you just rave on about why you're not changing

your mind yeah they're like yeah you know yeah hills that you'll die on sort of thing yeah that's right so there we go i changed my mind i think that's of particular interest and i think it would be of particular interest with particular people obviously more famous people or politicians or something like that but yeah there we go okay tim let's do an ad all right unbelievably this episode has yet again been sponsored by hover oh they've come back fantastic well they've stayed with us they've stayed true they obviously have listened to our previous efforts and they've just they've uh they've stuck with us which we appreciate do you know i was thinking of doing is i was thinking of finding through hover a tim hein domain and buying it here now as unusual and

then and then we can use it and it can defer directly to when people go to it the hover slash unmade for them to buy their own what do you think about that as an idea? I think that's a perfectly legitimate and excellent use of Hover is getting a domain and until you've got another use for it, just forwarding it to something else. I've been using Hover plenty lately. I've also been moving my domains that I have elsewhere over to Hover

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It could be anything. It could be anything. In fact, I wonder what Lychees websites are available at the moment on Hover. Well, the fact that it took us four Googles to get it might be an indication that they need Hover very badly. I'm putting in, so I've gone to Hover, putting Lyche in, lyche.blog, if you wanted to create a Lychee blog. That's available.

It could be yours for just $29.99 or 10% off if you go to Hover.com slash Unmade. Lychee.computer. Lychee. It does sound a little bit like an online company, doesn't it? Like Lychee. It's a startup. Yeah. I mean, if the people who invented Google had called it Lychee,

Lychee would be like a really famous word now. We would have been Lychee-ing Lychee earlier. Yeah, exactly. Hang on. I'll just Lychee that. I'll just give a Lychee that. Lychee.fan. That definitely is not one i would get so man i'm

thinking if i get a website if i'm going to buy one now what should i choose lychee dot recipes that's a good one oh there we go i'm amazed that's not taken if you wanted to create a website of lychee recipes and then on your on your blog or on your website or on your podcast you can just tell all your fans hey everyone go to lychee.recipes and check out all my lychee recipes have you made your first purchase yet are we still waiting for you no well i was waiting to for you to give me a little bit of guidance what should i get i'll do it under my name and something highly appropriate like. Well, I mean, do you have, what do you have? Have you got Tim Hein.com or? Well, I've got a blog, which is Tim Hein.com.au, I think.

Okay. Okay. I could go Tim Hein.fashion. Tim Hein.me is only 10 bucks. Tim Hein.tattoo. I'm trying to find one that sort of suits your, you know, your brand. My brand? Do I have a brand?

Yeah. I thought my brand was essentially Brady's friend. I mean, Tim Hein dot sucks is still available, but that's too expensive. My agent keeps telling me, he says, we've got to get you out there and get you known as Brady's friend. I mean, Tim Heinninja is tempting ninja that's a that's only 19 bucks where's that tim hein.ninja tim hein.rocks that's only 14 bucks oh wow i like that i like the sound of that tim hein.coffee tim hein.dating oh hello tim hein.love tim hein.rip tim hein.institute i could have my own institute you know buying the domain doesn't automatically

mean you have an institute man i assume someone will organise all the infrastructure and behind the scenes stuff. Why can't I get Tim.Hein? I don't think Hein is like an official suffix. It's my suffix. It's my last name. If your surname was Ninja, it'd be all right. Because that is a suffix. Oh, dear.

Look, anyway, people, like, obviously, we're just being silly billies, but there are lots of reasons to have domains. I have loads and loads of domains. Some of them I have that I'm using already. Others I'm just sitting on for projects in the future. And if you've got a project that you're looking at in the future, I would suggest getting a domain now before tim buys it in some crazy spending spree that he's about to go on go to hover.com slash unmade and you'll get 10 percent

off your first purchase which is you know that's a fair old saving all right i'm going in i'm going to buy one of these i'm looking at tim hein.ninja tim hein.ninja is available all right man i'm going in tim hein.ninja you're going for it add to cart did you go to hover.com slash um unmade so you'll get 10 off uh domain results tim hein no i will i should so hover.com slash unmade. Is that right? Yeah. There we go. Hi, Unmade listeners. Now, TimHine.ninja. I assume this is legal for us to get the 10% off. Like, yeah, of course. This is a legit purchase.

So, of course, why wouldn't it be? Secure checkout. Bang. Boom. What we'll do, we'll forward it to hover.unmade. So, people can go to it and then they'll find their way through. Hover.com slash unmade, man. Indeed. That's what I meant to hover.unmade. So people can go to it and then they'll find their way through. Hover.com slash unmade, man. Indeed.

That's what I meant to say. So if people type in timhine.ninja, that is another way that they can get their 10% off at Hover. You ready for my idea? I'm ready. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've kind of a little bit stolen from you here and used you as inspiration, but this was an idea related to an idea i already had

all right so but you something you said to me during the week took it took it to the level i needed it taken to for it to work because i've had this idea for a while sitting in my list of ideas which is just like was wrong song lyrics you know lyrics to songs that you've gotten wrong for years and years you've heard the lyric and you thought they were saying one thing, but in fact they were saying something else. Oh, yeah. And you always sang it incorrectly. Yeah. And that's quite a famous, like, thing, isn't it?

I used to have a book of these full of, you know, people's misunderstood song lines. The book was called Excuse Me While I Kiss This Guy. Excuse me while I kiss the sky. Oh, yeah. Instead of excuse me while I kiss the sky. So, yeah. Instead of excuse me while I kiss the sky. So, anyway, so that was something I wanted to do. And then during the week, I think it was this week or last week,

you sent me a message telling me how you had been watching Return of the Jedi with your family, and one of your daughters saw the Death Star under construction, you know, the second Death Star. Star under construction, you know, the second Death Star, but she misunderstood, you know, the way she had perceived the storyline, quite understandably, was that this was actually the first Death Star in kind of ruins after it had been attacked in A New Hope. Yeah.

Like, she saw that and thought, oh, that's like, you know, that's the wreckage of the first Death Star, which I thought, you know, of course, you know, this happens more when you're younger, you follow stories in a different way. Although I have to say that was quite a perceptive thing she came up with. Anyway, that made me realise what my idea was. So, my idea for a podcast is called Misunderstood and it's all about things that, it doesn't have to just be songs or movies, but all about things that as particularly as a youngster, you thought one thing and then like much later in life, you realised you'd misunderstood it and you'd got it wrong. Yeah.

And now you've realised like the error of your ways. And I have quite a list of these and I'm sure most people do, but I've put together a nice list of examples to show how broad this can be and also to show what a rich vein of content this could be. Yeah. This is just the ones I thought of in a few minutes. So I could probably come up with a hundred.

I'm sure you could. And I'm sure everyone could. OK, so how much do I feature on this list, man? You don't feature on this list at all. Are you serious? These are my misunderstandings. Yours. Oh, wow. This is refreshing.

You've never admitted to misunderstanding anything ever before. Well, let me, well, let the games begin. I perceive the early days of our friendship as essentially us walking out of a movie, me saying, wow, I can't

believe, you know, X, Y and Z about the movie. You bursting out laughing and then all the way home having to explain to me exactly what that meant in the movie. Yes, that is true. And I'm sure we could go through quite a few of them, which would be fun. But I'm actually talking about a bit younger than that, if I'm honest. I'm not talking about us as teenagers. I'm talking about a bit younger than that, if I'm honest, man. I'm not talking about us as teenagers. I'm talking about a bit younger than that, but all right. All right. All right. So, just let me start with something, a few really banal ones just to show where this can be, because so many of these relate to young people not having the same vocabulary as adults and also

not understanding cliches and idioms and things like that. And one that I remember really well was when I was collecting my beloved Return of the Jedi cards and I had a card with a picture of an AT-ST vehicle on it. And the caption on the front of the card said, All Terrain Scout Transport, which is what AT-ST stands for. Oh, yeah. Scout Transport, which is what A-T-S-T stands for. Oh, yeah.

But I, being a young boy, I was not familiar with the word terrain. I'd never encountered it before. I'd never heard it said. I just read it on a card. I read it very quickly and didn't pay attention to the sequence of letters. And I read it as Terrian. I, like, transposed the A and the I. as terrian i like transposed the a and the i so for years and years i thought these things were called all terrian scout transports oh yeah yeah whatever and i didn't know what the word terrian was i thought it was just like a made-up star wars word yeah and even later in life when i

finally encountered the word terrain and knew what it meant i never related it i never related it to these these vehicles that I'd already named Terrian in my head. And I reckon until I was in my late teens to early twenties, I thought these things were called old Terrian scout transports. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's a banal version. It does sound a bit Star Wars-y, doesn't it? Like Terrian. It does. It is a very Star Wars-y word. The song Piano Man by Billy Joel.

Oh, yeah. Classic song, which I'm sure you're very familiar with. So, as you're aware, this song, and I used to listen to it over and over again. I remember one day sitting in the car while my mum and dad were shopping and just playing it over and over again on the car tape recorder. Loved it. And you know how it's got like this this it's got like these two gears to it doesn't it there's this kind of melancholy part where he's singing the verses it's nine o'clock on a saturday regular crowd shuffles in and then even during the verses he then switches up a gear and it gets more energetic and he starts singing at like a higher pitch and that that's that that's the way the song goes it just keeps alternating he goes back down a gear

and he's you know john at the bar's a friend of mine and then he'll go up a gear and the piano sounds like it goes up an octave. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I reckon for about five years, I thought Piano Man was a duet being sung by a man and a woman. And I didn't realise it was old Billy Joe. Got us feeling all right. And I didn't realise it was old Billy Joe. That's fantastic. That's great.

Yeah. There's an old man sitting next to me. Making love to his tonic and gin. Until what age? I don't know. I remember getting to a point where I became aware that it was one person and I kept re-listening thinking, is that the same person? Is that a woman? No, that's definitely a woman.

He says, son, can you play me a memory? I'm not really sure how it goes. Look, I have a question about Piano Man, just as a sidebar, because, look, let me ask you this. What is a real estate novelist? Paul is a real estate novelist. What the heck is a real estate novelist? Is it someone who works in real estate but is trying to write a novel on the side, like everyone is?

Okay, right. I don or okay right i don't know i don't know so he's a novelist but his day job is a real estate agent but he yeah okay it's a good question that's how i understood it but i could be wrong you know what i understood it in the back of without thinking consciously about it i think i thought it was someone who you know on real estate you sort of write those descriptive descriptions of the the house you know oh this house is set back from the road with a beautiful path leading up you know what i mean and i just sort of thought maybe a real estate novelist is someone who writes about real estate or yeah or writes novels about real estate i think

billy joel has said that this person was a poll i don't know has said this person was based on a real character who was always working on a book. And Billy Joel figured he'd never finish it because he was always at the bar. So, an accountant musician or something like that would be an equivalent. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah. A YouTube podcaster. That's right.

And also, have you ever noticed how every single person who drives you in an uber has a really awesome other job like and like i'm always thinking well what are you driving an uber for you know oh yeah i'm also in a really successful band or i'm also like oh yeah okay well that's the classic of that is the um in in in la everyone's uh everyone who's a taxi driver is also a an actor yeah you know it's the yeah well good and that's fair enough they're trying to make it in in in difficult areas and they've got a day job but well i'm sure that i could be a movie star if i could get out of this place that makes a lot of sense the real estate novelist yeah all right edit that question out man and stay on track with your problems. No, I like it.

I like it. I like it. It's a good discussion point. And it's an interesting, that song is so full of mystery. Here's another one. This one's a bit involved, but go with me just in case. I'm with you, man. So, in our beloved film BMX Bandits, there's a scene where two of the characters, male and female, Goose and Judy, are being chased through a graveyard.

Yeah. And they end up hiding in like a dugout grave that had like an empty grave hole in the ground. Yeah. And it's kind of a little bit, it's supposed to be a bit of a scary moment, scary scene. Yeah. But at this point, our character Goose sort of tries it on with Judy.

He like expresses his affection for her to see how she feels back. And she kind of shuts him down and says, you know, basically friend zones him and says, I think you're really great. I think you're really funny and I really like you. And he replies with something along the lines of that he wishes. I don't, you know, I don't want to just be funny and your friend. I want to be like John Travolta. And he uses the name John Travolta. Now, as a young boy, I didn't know who John Travolta was. This was a time in my life where this was an unknown person to me. But the context of the scene is scary. They're in a graveyard. They're in a grave. It's late at night. And the

way he says it was also unfamiliar to me. and I just perceived it as like creepiness. So, he's saying John Travolta in a way that I perceive as creepy in this really creepy environment and I could tell from the way he said it that John Travolta was a famous person. So, at that point in my head, John Travolta became like a horror actor, like Dracula or something like that. He became like a spooky, weird character. And that's just what happened, right? And then later in life, like not much later in life, I went through that phase as a boy where you like think you're really good at impersonations. And he'll look, here's my impersonation of Kermit the Frog.

And here's my impersonation of Yoda. And here's my impersonation of Fozzie Bear. And I remember one day saying to mum, mum, mum, do you want to hear my impersonations? And she's like, yeah, okay, go on then. So, I went through this list of five or six impersonations that I thought I had down Pat. He had Kermit the Frog, all that. And then I included this one of where I said, this is John Travolta, who I didn't know who he was. But to me, he was a scary character.

So, I did it in this like kind of Dracula ghoulish voice, John Travolta, who I didn't know who he was, but to me, he was a scary character. So, I did it in this like kind of Dracula ghoulish voice, John Travolta, like whatever. And then afterwards, I said to mum, oh, what do you think of my impersonations? And she said, I thought they were all really good, except the John Travolta one. That didn't sound anything like John Travolta. And then at that point, I was like, oh, come to think of it, I don't know who John Travolta is or what he sounds like. So I went and like investigated and found out how stupid I'd been. So there's another misunderstanding from my childhood. Here's one.

Did you ever go through this phase? And this was something I believed for years. And I think it's just one of those urban myths that goes around among kids. That when you put your like 20 cents or 50 cents or whatever you needed into a Coke machine, if you managed to press the button for two drinks at the exact same time, two drinks would come out instead of one. Yeah, I tried this many times. Yeah.

I must've spent years doing this, but you'd have to make sure you chose two drinks that you were both willing to have. Because if one came out, you had to have it. So if you were choosing between like a Coke and a Sprite or something, you had to choose two drinks you were happy to have, because as always, only ever one came out. You don't want to be stuck with a Sprite. But there was also the myth that you could do all of them, like you could get all 10 drinks. So, you can use like your forearm and try and press all 10 buttons at once to see if you

get 10 drinks to come out at once yeah and you know what i'm even picturing the exact coke machine like where i've done this before like at the particular it was at the tennis club mine was at the ymca in toronto and we used to go roll skating there yeah mine was the helmsdale tennis club there was another one there was this ad that came out i probably told the story before because i tell the story all the time for these these cough tablets or throat sweets i can't remember what brand they were but the color of the cough sweet and you'd see them in the tv ad was kind of like a translucent green that you could kind of see through a little

bit like a green piece of glass and in the middle of the sweet was a little red splotch that you could kind of see through a little bit, like a green piece of glass. And in the middle of the sweet was a little red splotch that I could only describe as like a little blurry splotch of raspberry or something. I don't know what flavour it was because I never had one, but it was just to make it look more interesting. I don't know what the red splotch in the middle of the tablet was, but I remember saying to my dad, what's that red splotch in the tablet?

And he told me, oh, that's like red splotch in the tablet? And he told me, oh, that's like to make your throat warmer and stuff if you're not well. And I was like, oh, how does that work? And he said, oh, it's like it's made of fire. And I obviously went, oh, that's amazing. So, he thought, oh, I'm just going to go with it now. And he said to me, yeah, do you know if you hit one of those tablets with a hammer, a flame will come out like fire? And I was like, that's incredible. I'm amazed they're allowed to sell that. i was like that's incredible i'm amazed there are that to say all that but anyway that's amazing and i believed that for years and i remember one day i was in a discussion with some people about these tablets and they said and i said do you know

actually if you hit one of those things with a hammer a little flame comes out and everyone looked at me like and it was at that moment i realized that my dad had been taking the piece it never occurred to me until then that my dad wouldn't would be telling not the truth it is phenomenal how those things stay with you as a truth until you say them out loud and then you're like this this is uh not not something that should be said out loud this is i was telling just this morning i was telling my wife about these and i asked her if she had could think of any good examples and she gave me the example that when she was a little girl they went past a street sign that said heavy plant crossing. Have you seen these signs? They say heavy plant crossing.

No. Where like, you know, big machinery and stuff like that crosses the road if you're near somewhere where there's going to be lots of tractors or trucks. Heavy plant crossing. And she asked her mum what heavy plant crossing means. And mum told her well as the sun moves across the sky sometimes the trees want to move from one side of the road to the other so you've got to be careful when the trees are moving over across the road she believed that for a quite a while yeah misunderstanding so things you you hold on to until you yeah until the penny drops it is funny how there's often those moments when you even as

an adult where someone says you know that where someone's explaining something to a group of people i'm talking about at work or something and then and then everyone's sort of agreeing and going on and then one person just asks what appears to be a bleeding obvious question you know what exactly is a lychee fruit or something like you know what i mean like that yeah and then and then the person oh explains and so forth and everyone sort of looks fine. And then later on, everyone goes, oh, thank you so much for asking. Everyone in the room was totally lost. And so, I thought that was something else.

But, you know, the penny drops. No one had any clue what was going on. Let me ask you this then, because obviously you are a father and I am not. And you have young, impressionable minds at a father and I am not, and you have young impressionable minds at your disposal. Do you ever do this? Do you ever do what, like, do you ever just for your own entertainment sow seeds like this?

Or are you always just completely upfront? Or will you tell them something like, or do you sometimes maybe do it and not even think about it, thinking it's a joke, not realising you're planting these seeds for later in life? I do it every single time they ask a question and i'm not kidding it's thank you it just comes out as a sarcastic or as a as a dad joke every single time it's just something i'll just tell they'll say what's this and i'll tell them something. And the elders will roll her eyes and the youngest will nod her head, like, excitedly.

And we move on. So the older one gets the dad joke and the younger one maybe takes a few of them on board as possible truths. Well, it's one of the, I think they both see through them because they're you know they're jokes and they're both clever but they they don't but every now and then i realize i do wonder and i go oh dear i hope they don't tell that to their friends or you know what i mean like because it's a joke it's always a joke but you do you got to clarify it otherwise you know every now and then yeah and then it's a joke for them as well they get it as well but yeah every now and then you just sort of yeah oh i'm kidding i'll add that in i'm kidding just to make absolutely sure it must be fun seeing because it's part of watching children grow up too i guess it must be fun watching these misunderstandings like when they occasionally will say something that makes you realize they've misunderstood something. Like, that must be quite cute. Like, oh, yeah, I can see why you would think that.

Yeah. It's quite sweet that you saw it. It's cuter in your partner than it is in your children. Yes. Yes. And there's a fine line between, you know, having, bursting into uproarious laughter and celebrating the moment and, you know, discreetly just finding a way in the next sentence to clarify. You know what I mean? Yeah.

And that fine line is a very dangerous line. Yeah. Laughing and saying that's cute and then realising, oh, hang on. This is not good. Abort, abort. The one that comes, oh, the one to which I was referring at the beginning, the one that came immediately to mind is. This is Jurassic Park.

Yeah, yeah. Classic Tim story. Well, do you want to tell it or shall I? I'll give you the honour. Yeah, okay. So this is an honest mistake. Because I was quite old. I mean, Jurassic Park came out in 94.

What are we like, 18 then? So I think I'd actually read the book beforehand. I think before it came out, I got the book. I think I read like half the book, which has lots of chaos theory and all sorts of stuff in it. But I was feeling quite knowledgeable anyway. I think that read like half the book, which has lots of chaos theory and all sorts of stuff in it. But I was feeling quite knowledgeable anyway. I think that was beforehand. But anyway, we went and saw Jurassic Park, which had massive, massive hype around it. And I remember your, in fact, I remember because your dad was reviewing films at the time.

I remember asking, he got to see it a week ahead of us. And I remember saying to him, well, like, is it as good as everyone's saying, you know? And he looks at me, you know, with his big moustache and he goes, Tim, everything you've seen. He didn't look with his moustache. Yeah, yeah. He has eyes. He looked at me with his eyes.

Are they eyebrows or are they, is it a moustache? He looks at me with his eyes, but, you know, with that great moustache. He goes, Tim, everything you've seen and heard times by about 10. I remember thinking, wow. Is there anything in life you enjoy more than impersonating my dad? No, no. I didn't even move into the full mode. I was holding back.

But that was great. That was just, and that's like hearing it from God himself, right? That's like about a film. This is a good film. You're like, wow, this is going to be great. You know, anyway, so we go and see it. We go and see Jurassic Park and it's really amazing. And, you know, it is, you know, so we go and see it we go and see jurassic park and it's really amazing and and you know it is it's you know blows us away and um yeah and then as we're and we're leaving

and so forth and the final scene of jurassic park is they're flying away in the helicopter you know is these winged creatures and i was sort of creatures for some reason i had it in my head i will you know there are dinosaurs everywhere so i commented on the the pterodactyls yeah you thought you thought they were leaving it open for a sequel and these were pterodactyls flying away from the island i thought they were they were pterodactyls and and and then and you just did one of your hilarious pointing and laughing at me kind of. It's birds.

It's birds. They were pelicans. That's right. The final. But that's the whole. But that's the narrative thread is held together by the fact that he thought the Sam Neill character. What's his name again? His character thinks that the dinosaurs evolved into birds

and that's like a book ending kind of. It's closing the circle as he looks at the birds meaningfully at the end. Totally missed that. These peaceful creatures that we live in harmony with now. And you think it's like teeing up the sequel as these pterodactyls go tearing off the island. Everyone's coming away with this kind of peaceful relaxed mood if i wasn't that lovely the way they close the circle and there's tim all hyped up for the sequel where pterodactyls invade california but it was it was i was actually really enjoying the final scene going oh what a beautiful scene

look they've got the pterodactyls flying off with the helicopter you know what i mean like i was actually admiring it like thinking oh that's perfect that's beautiful the best thing would be is if years later spielberg gives an interview saying no one appreciated my pterodactyl scene they all thought they were pelicans oh man these were great that's something i mean there are other things as well like for years and years and years, I called Empire Strikes Back Lando Caruso instead of Lando Caruso. Yeah. And I think I said that to you when you corrected me for the first time in my entire life. Oh, right.

I don't remember that. But yeah, I mean, my life's full of those. I love that stuff. Yeah. Lando Caruso. And it's also just turns of phrase and sayings in films that for years you thought meant one thing. You watch it again as an adult and you go,

oh, okay, yeah, that's like a famous saying. I didn't realise that. I think Misunderstood is definitely a podcast to be done. Yeah, that's a good idea. It's a good idea. Now, are we going to do a Patreon supporter? Yes, I think we should. And as always, thank you to the people who support us

on patreon and if if it's something that you're interested in doing we encourage you to do so because it helps us out you know we got we got lots of stuff we've got to do and we've got to carve out the time to make this and it helps us it helps us out if you can support us on patreon so thank you yes thank you i do appreciate it very much patreon.com slash unmade fm and also if you go to our website unmade.fm and click on wall of thanks in the menu you can have a look at a list of all the people there who are supporting us from cory right down to at the moment steiner what a cool name i know the order of those names changes from time to time, but at the moment it's from Corey through to Steiner. Steiner. And so also we encourage

people who are patrons to send us ideas that we read out on the show. If you are a Patreon supporter and have already sent an idea, you're probably on the list and I do get in touch occasionally on ways to do it. I've just chosen one at random from the inbox here. Shall I read it? Go for it, man. This is from Christopher. Spelt with a double F, not a PH. Oh, wow. I'm 16 years old and live in Copenhagen, Denmark. I've lived here my whole life.

I do not like Swedes. As you could have guessed, I'm still in school. Not that interesting. I like doing things while listening to podcasts. For example, walking dogs, working out. Although I don't like working out to funny podcasts because you look like an idiot giggling to yourself in the gym. Fair enough. When you were 16, could you imagine ever going to the gym and working out?

No. I'd go for a run or try to do exercise. Did you? Like for fitness purposes when you were that age? I went through a bit of a phase. Really young. We had to choose different activities and stuff. And I actually thought, I'll do one that actually did involve a little bit of gym work.

But I wasn't good at it. I just remember thinking, oh, this will get me really healthy and stuff. But I should have just been off, you know, playing golf or baseball and whatever else we could choose from. But I was just doing so much activity then. I just don't think I would have time to do activity just for the sake of activity. Yeah. Yeah. Incidental sports and stuff.

But Christopher's idea is called History Now with an exclamation mark. The idea is that you follow a historical event like the space race. It could be a weekly show where you talk about what happened since the last episode in the world. It doesn't need to be very long, maybe just 10 episode season. You basically, you're a news station, but from many years ago. episode in the world it doesn't need to be very long maybe just 10 episode season you basically you're a news station but from many years ago for example this week the americans just tried to launch vanguard tv3 but it exploded people are now calling it kaputnik or we've just had the first

man in space it's yuri gagarin so there you go the idea so i guess it's like real-time news but you know offset in the past sounds like okay okay okay which i which i have seen things like this done like you know i have seen this done as like a thing sometimes where people will have like a twitter feed where they're tweeting something from the past but still it's a good idea you get caught up in it is that right so that the idea is you you sort of get to experience it because you didn't get to experience it the first time yeah yeah okay what would you like to either make or listen to in that genre? What would you like to like re-experience?

That's a good question. There are some things that happened in my lifetime that I'm aware of but didn't fully appreciate at the time because we were so young. Like what? That's good. Like I remember the Berlin Wall coming down in and around 1989 and i remember seeing it on the news every night being vaguely aware of what was going on and vaguely aware that something important was going on but not quite comprehending what it was and mum and dad giving me very brief explanations which i probably didn't understand which i didn't

understand totally you know what i mean you sort of you don't you didn't get to feel the weight of history in the same way that you look back and go wow that was pretty momentous i wish i'd looked a bit harder for hallie's comet in the sky when my dad was pointing it out to me oh yeah like he's like there it is up there and i like looked for a second or two and i like couldn't see it and i'm like oh boring oh really i wish i'd looked hard and tried to remember it because it was you know i'm not going to get to see it again well we wouldn't and now i'd love to see it i wish i'd looked hard and tried to remember it because it was you know i'm not going to get to see it again well we wouldn't and now i'd love to see it i'm i'm the total opposite that's funny we're wearing different hats in that regard because i remember being in

the backyard with the binoculars with dad and looking at it and clearly seeing it and focusing on it for a few moments and really appreciating the moment going wow there it is that looks amazing and it being like i can see it now in my mind's eye your dad wouldn't have been that into it though that was the third time he'd seen hayley's cop that's right oh you again all right here we go what about you what would you like to oh you said hayley's comment yeah oh well that's not really a news event that i'd like to listen to again i wish i just wish i'd paid more attention what would i find interesting i guess the moon landing you'd love but you've sort of walked through that already a bit haven't you because there's so much recording yeah that's and that's one of those

events that is always being recreated like you know in real time and stuff do you know what would be a good podcast doing i'm not sure they even had this on the on the titanic but you could pretend they did they probably didn't have a pa system, but being the PA announcer on the Titanic and doing that as like a three-day podcast, like, hey, ladies and gentlemen, we're now leaving Southampton. We hope you enjoy the, you know, dinner will be served and having all these messages. And then for the last few hours, things get a little bit funky.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. We're expecting smooth sailing tonight. I wonder if there are. Obviously, they're not saved. Obviously, they're not saved.. I wonder if there are. Obviously, they're not saved. Obviously, they're not saved. But I wonder if there was. No, they lost the hard drives when the ship sank, man.

Indeed. They didn't have a little black box back then. I wonder if there's transcript. There's a lot recorded about what happens. This happened at this time and precisely this time. Yeah, there is. Yeah, there's loads. I imagine there's a transcript of this was announced at this time and that sort of thing.

So you could have a go at it, but there'd have to be a bit of faction, a bit of fiction in amongst the facts. Another fun thing would be imagine if historic figures had a podcast. Oh, that's a great idea. Like what would their podcast be like? Like Cleopatra or Jesus or like Caesar or like all these people. Like, I wonder what their podcast would have been like. That's a really good idea.

You could even go figures like Josephus, who's like an ancient historian, who's actually literally describing things going on around about him. Yeah. Yeah. That would be cool. The Josephus podcast. Yeah. Yeah.

That's a really good. That's an intriguing idea. I wonder if that exists. Or imagine this is a podcast. You know how you can have two or three presenters or sometimes people push it to four imagine if you really push the boat out and had a podcast hosted by 12 people and they were like the 12 disciples oh just talking and discussing yeah like like yeah because like because you know how famously these 12 disciples they're all quite different personalities and have different perspectives and that.

So, the people portraying those people would like do it in a different way. Like that shows the personality of those 12 people. That'd be quite cool. Because the 12 disciples is just a cool name for a podcast. The 12 disciples, it is, yeah. Yeah, it is good. Yeah. That is interesting.

I guess there's a, I almost, I'm certain this has been done, but the idea of the famous dinner, who would you invite for dinner, and then having a conversation between those different people, that's a podcast idea. But that feels almost too obvious. But you're saying instead of just sitting there and musing over who would your guests be, you have four people pretending to be those guests.

Indeed. And actually show you how the dinner party plays out. Indeed. That's exactly right. Yeah. I've read actually show you how the dinner party plays out. Indeed. That's exactly right. Yeah. I've read books that are sort of a dialogue between two great figures. So if you had, you know, Sigmund Freud speaking with Isaac Newton or with Albert Einstein, how would they be corresponding where their views clash or something like that?

Or Jesus and Sigmund Freud and the way in which one might come back at the other one. Or Oscar Wilde and, you know, a great missionary, or Paul the Apostle. You know what I mean? Having a dialogue between them and a long debate. Something like that would be interesting. It would be interesting if it's done well and there's a lot of thought gone into, you know, exactly why they're saying what they're saying and what they're referencing. Well, if it requires being done well and well prepared for by talented people i think that pretty much rules us out unfortunately so we're just gonna have to keep this as a

unless you're having um what could have been john travolta over for dinner and then you'd be fantastic to be able to play the role here's brady starring brady haran as john travolta hello people wow and count dracula which ones work no there's a there's a myriad ideas that spring off from this thank you christopher thank you christopher for inspiring us and thank you for being a patron of the unmade podcast let's press let's press stop you're going to read out your credit card numbers you type it in for us tim hein that's right four seven seven two nine two expiry date