The Unmade Podcast - 29: Lost Watch

Episode Date: July 22, 2019

Tim and Brady chat about Farmers Union Iced Coffee, watches, describing the present to people of the future, burying the hatchet, and the Bee Gees. Thank you Storyblocks Video for sponsoring this episode. Check out storyblocks.com/Unmade to learn more - https://storyblocks.com/Unmade Hover - register your domain now and get 10% off by going to hover.com/unmade - promo code UNMADE at checkout - https://www.hover.com/Unmade or you can use timhein.ninja - http://www.timhein.ninja Support us on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/unmadeFM Join the discussion of this episode on our subreddit - https://redd.it/cgkf8v USEFUL LINKS Farmers Union Iced Coffee - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farmers_Union_Iced_Coffee Shane Warne's Hat Trick - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIb1PQQRcNk Amazing photo of Hide-and-Seek at Tim's Old House - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KxTcDsy9Gs Brady's Omega Speedmaster - http://www.bradyharanblog.com/speedmaster Tim's two watches - https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5990824849fc2b4c4fe4211b/t/5d363b9af1ebdf0001cae805/1563835310425/Screen+Shot+2019-07-22+at+23.37.47.jpg Australian Slouch hat - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slouch_hat Brady's dad in the Vietnam War - the pic on this page is NOT a slouch hat - http://www.bradyharanblog.com/blog/2015/1/28/near-death-experience-in-vietnam What is a pony? - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pony Reading, Massachusetts - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading,_Massachusetts Barry Gibb - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Gibb The Bee Gees - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bee_Gees

So, can I just start by saying, shebang-a-bangin' salami. It's been a while since we last recorded. In fact, it's probably been about 30 to 40 seconds. It has. So, I hope you've recharged with new ideas for this new episode. I am. And this is a, I'm on the same iced coffee as the last episode. So this may be the first time in history that an iced coffee has been,

one iced coffee has spread across two episodes of a podcast. I mean, surely that wouldn't have happened before. It's history. History in the making. Yeah. This is a classic Farms Union iced coffee, which is pretty, it seems, it's an Adelaide tradition. I mean, I don't like them, but I know you love them.

And I never have these except when we're recording it. It's a bit of a nice treat for when we're recording. So, it's a bit of a podcast tradition for me. I don't believe you. I don't believe you. You must have them. You love them. They're like your crack cocaine.

I used to have a lot of them, like a lot of them, but I don't anymore. No, I can't do it. I can't. Yeah, I can't. You can't admit to it. I can't admit to it. It's too hard to say. Do you remember back when I was in that share house and you'd come and stay?

Yeah. Me and the other guy, Graham, were drinking so many and then we'd rinse them and throw them on a pile. And we had that big pile of empty ones in the corner of the kitchen. What did you do? Did you turn it into some kind of art installation or did you make like a wall out of it or something? It was, it was kind of, he did something with them before we got rid of them. But yeah, they were just a massive pile. It was a massive kitchen.

Like it was a, you know, it wasn't like we were climbing over them to get to the sink or anything. Yeah, that was crazy. We were drinking so many. And he could afford more of them because he had a job. He was like a millionaire to us because he worked at a local KFC. Yeah, that's right. So, not only was he earning money, he was earning chicken. So, he would bring home some leftover chicken.

That's right. Oh, it was like a god. And he had a car. Yeah, I know. It was like he was amazing. The legendary Kombi. That was like a summer of love like a lost summer that was great that was the last few months before i started my first job like i had gotten the job i hadn't

started yet and like you you had like a house or a shared house a dos house with a bunch of others yeah and it was like i could just like you know i don know, sit around and watch TV. Well, that was kind of what we did. What did we do? Well, we played Monopoly, and we've talked about that before, the legendary games of Monopoly. But remember we also played that. We played a game of Monopoly. We surely did other things besides that one game of Monopoly that I remember.

We watched the cricket because I remember that was the summer when Warnie got his hat trick. This is Shane Warnie got a hat trick, which means he got three people out. I'm now explaining to everyone who doesn't understand cricket, who listens to our podcast around the world. What does out mean, Tim? You have to explain the entire rules of cricket now. Out means that you were batting and then you're no longer batting.

I guess we went to Marion Shopping Centre a lot. Yeah. We wouldn't have bought KFC because Graeme got us that for free. We played those legendary games of like hide and seek in the dark. Remember that? The murder in the dark game. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Do you remember that? Yeah, you just hide. You just turn all the lights out and hide. And people would hide. But that sounds crazy, except it was a large house and it was pitch black. And so you could hide. And so one of the places to hide was standing on the fridge. And people would walk past it and they wouldn't see you.

And you'd be up in cupboards and hiding in tiny places behind. Yeah, that was amazing. So we sound like we were like 12 years old. We were playing Monopoly and hide and seek. How old were we? This is why you leave home. So you can play. And our mums couldn't stop us.

It's time for me to grow up. I'm moving out so I can play Monopoly and hide and seek. We kind of missed the point of moving out, didn't we? That's right. Our families were like, why aren't you going out and drinking and meeting girls? And we're like, why would we do that when we could play Monopoly? That's right. But remember, remember Graham had that legendary combi that we used to, that we painted in so many colours and then drove around town.

Oh, yeah. The VW combi van. Yeah. I wasn't there the day that was painted. I kind of felt a bit excluded there. Didn't you paint it with house paint? We used all sorts of things. Like, I painted Aktoong Baby on the side and we had Jabba the Hutt

and, like, all sorts of cool stuff all over it, all multicoloured. And we'd drive around town and people would suddenly go, and there it is! It's those Monopoly hide and seek guys. These guys are crazy. We have the back open. Yeah, that was a strange time. It was.

With no money and not enough nutrition in our diet, I just moved home after about three months in order to sort of get fed back into health again and start getting some order in my life. But my Monopoly and hide-and-seek days were over. And why were we talking about that? Oh, iced coffee. Oh, yeah, yeah. So iced coffee was standard part of the diet at that time.

So podcasts? Yeah, yeah. I've got an idea that I really um i'm quite keen to share actually this is um again the name escapes me but it's it's i've gone with the name lost watch it really is about watchers but essentially the idea is that i think people watchers have a unique ability to gain or glean memories like they're. How people get watches is often quite meaningful. People get watches for special occasions like their 21st or retirement. But they also seem to be part of adventures as well in a particular way. And there's the scene in Pulp Fiction that centres around the watch.

So people coming and talking about their watches and where they got their watch. Not so much how cool the watch is or the brand of watch or the latest watch, although, you know, that might be related to it, but how people got it is great. But in particular, I've got a couple of amazing stories of, like, lost watches. And so I just wonder whether that's something particular about a watch that's been lost and then found again after years and all those sorts of things, whether that's a common story to other people as well.

But you're quite a watch connoisseur, aren't you? You love your watches. I am. I am. I mean, first of all, let me say, I'm sure there are a million watch podcasts, and if something matching this exactly doesn't already exist, I will be shocked. But still, I love that you brought it up, Tim,

because I love talking about watches, as you know. I have gotten very into watches in, especially more in recent years, but I've always loved them. I've always loved like, you know, if you're going to a secondhand store and they'll just have like a big box full of watches, I love going through them and imagining what the stories are associated with them and what tales they've had. I've sort of gotten now into more kind of high-end watches, but i do like ones that have got like stories associated with them and like a pedigree for example i have i've mentioned before i have the same style of watch the amiga speedmaster professional that was worn by the astronauts on the moon because i'm really into the moon landings of course so i've got one of them and

i've also got two other watches that are the two types of watches that were worn by Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay when they first got to the top of Mount Everest which is another favorite adventure of mine so that's another thing I've got and so I quite like watches that have got a story like that I've also got a real soft spot for the watches of my childhood so I obviously like most kids had like a calculator watch when i was you know in the 80s yeah but i've bought another one of them now because i just like to have it and the watch that i haven't re-bought yet that i absolutely loved when i was a kid and a friend of mine had it and i coveted it so much that eventually my mum bought me one

and i was so happy is is the Citizen Windsurfer watch, which is a digital watch that had all sorts of little displays and timers and things on it that it was just like, you know, a really complicated, overly complicated digital watch that I thought was brilliant. I must get myself one of them just for old time's sake. I remember my dad wearing a watch when I was young, but i don't think he's got it anymore and i don't know if it was had any special meaning i don't know if it was the watch he like wore in the war or stuff i don't think it was but i don't think he has that watch anymore he's just got a different one i don't know what happened to his watch because obviously the whole

passing down to your sons and daughters is a big thing and what with watches so the stories behind the watches is interesting yeah i like i like a watch to have a story what about you the reason i went with lost watch was because i've got a couple of unique stories about losing watches which kind of has added value to the watch in a particular way but i don't have any particularly valuable watches except through sentiment i have a couple of watches that are very sentimental. Surprise, surprise. In their value for me. I do appreciate nice watches. I like the...

I've seen an older version. I can't remember what year it was of the Omega Seamaster. And I like that. I like the look of that sort of classic sort of feel. Yeah. It's a bit James Bond. I could talk to you a lot about Seamasters. Oh, yeah, right.

I've got another Seamaster on order at the moment. Oh, right. Okay. Well, that's... Yeah, but I like the older ones as well. I've got another Seamaster on order at the moment. Oh, right. Okay. Well, that's good. Yeah, but I like the older ones as well. I've seen one. I think it was around the 70s. Do they go back that far?

I imagine they do, actually. I imagine they go right back, yeah. They do bulk up quite a bit in more recent times, don't they? They have a bit. So they're bringing out an anniversary. Well, they were supposed to bring it out last year, but it's delayed. It's coming out later this year, an anniversary one, which is new and, like, you know, with modern movements, so it works well,

but it's based on the 1958 design. And I'm trying to get my hands on one of those, but they're sort of all booked. They're all, like, reserved and booked out. They're impossible to get, but I'd love one of those. They're lovely. Anyway, what about your sentimental ones, or are they too sentimental to talk about in such a public forum?

Oh, that's right. Yes, I can't possibly comment. And that's the end of this episode. No, no, no. Today we have another guest that won't talk about a personal thing because it's just too personal. Well, there's one watch that I got and it's sentimental to me because it was bought as a gift for a dear friend he didn't want it my dad bought it off him and gave it to me as a gift when i got my first degree right so that's got a lovely connection for me and that that wasn't that

was enough that already makes it like a treasured item because of the people involved and that's lovely i've worn it for years and years but the the reason i guess my podcast hones in on a particular you know the narrative around a watch that's kind of you know lost and then found again i guess but this particular story was i was i wore it to a music festival um called the falls festival and um which is one of those ones you go and you camp and you know there's a stage and there's thousands of people is this the same watch or another watch story this? This is the same watch. This watch. I wore it there and I wore it all day seeing bands and enjoying them,

moving from, you know, different stages and all that kind of stuff. I got back to my tent at night and realised it was gone. And you're like, well, when's it gone? I've dropped it during the day. It's been 12 hours since I left my tent. Impossible. And I went to bed or I was about to lay down in my sleeping bag and I thought, I've got to at least have a look. And this is like midnight.

And the end of the night, you know, it's dark everywhere. There's some floodlights around, but they're just, I walked out of my tent and looked down at this massive area. And it's all glistening with like beer cans and stuff. So it's like, how am I going to find something like that? And I thought, well. A festival site after everyone moves away is like oh yeah there was just a few crowds of people a few here there and everywhere heading off to bed it's just like this is ridiculous and i'm like but i'm just going to lay awake thinking and i thought i'll give it a go so sure enough i walked down the hill back

into the festival site went to one stage i went over here to this other band. I went down. And to cut a long story short, after quite a while just walking around, I walked down and I suddenly looked down in the grass and there it was. I found it in this massive, massive field of things. And I stood there and I was just looking at it going, I can't believe there it is. I can't believe it. That's amazing.

So it wasn't like somewhere you would have expected, like just outside your tent or somewhere that you knew you'd been. You sort of just found it in a random spot. It feels ridiculous. It was between walking from one stage to another stage, you know, in the dark, in the long grass. Like it was just I still can't even quite believe that it happened, but I found it and I put it on and I went back to bed with it and it was like you're laying in bed going, that's that's a crazy miracle was there any evidence or any clue as to

why it had come off your wrist like was the band broken or something or oh from time to time you know that kind of happens it gets a big loose on the day i don't remember any reason why it fell off no i don't i don't remember it is it still your now? Is it your day-to-day watch now? Well, you know, it was. I wore it for a long time, up until about two years ago when it was kind of retired. It was retired because I actually had been looking for another watch. And I had noticed a friend interstate had a watch that I liked the look of because it had sort of a square classic sort of look. And I quite, not that square is necessarily classic but it looked good it looked sort of unpretentious and understated but classy and I liked it and I always commented on it I once asked him the brand so I could go looking for it but they didn't make them anymore and you know it's not a particularly

expensive brand or anything so it was actually really hard to find yeah and because every time I'd see him which is like maybe once or twice a year i'd mention it um it became like a little thing between us until finally he was in town speaking at an event and i said oh you've got another watch and he goes yeah yeah and then a little while later his other watch like turned up in the mail he just sent it to me and so i've kind of got his watch now and i put a new band on it and i wear that because i couldn't find i couldn't find one that looked like it. So now I wear the one that he gave me. So that's a nice connection as well.

I really quite like that. That is nice. I feel a bit sad for the watch of amazingness, though. Like that feels like that's a life watch after all those stories. But I guess not. I mean, I know you still got it. It has a kind of a treasure. It's almost like I really don't want it to get stolen or ruined.

But I don't really want to wear it. Right. It is nice, but it's, yeah, I don't love the way it looks anymore, but it's kind of more precious than that. And so it sort of sits on top of my kind of dresser area where I have, you know, like my rings and where you put your watch at the end of the day. It's kind of sitting there as well. So it's part of, you know, I get to enjoy the fact that I have it, but I don't really wear it. But yeah, yes. Anyway, I still can't believe that I found it like that.

But I'll tell you another story. And this is about my wife's watch. This is a story. We went to a wedding on the way to the airport one day in Collingwood, which is a suburb inner city Melbourne. We went along. was a suburb inner city melbourne we went along we had our bags in the back of our friend's car and we went and ducked into this wedding of a friend that we wanted to get to the wedding but then had to rush to the airport afterwards before the reception so we enjoyed the wedding with our bags in the car we came back to the car and it had been the window had been smashed and our bags were

all gone and this is not surprising for collingwood in fact we were a bit silly to have left our stuff in the car right in retrospect but it was all gone we lost our clothes and was like oh my goodness so we end up catching a taxi to the airport making the flight with no clothes turning up at the other end and you know my dad picked me up this was coming to Adelaide one day and we went to the shopping center and bought some clothes and toothbrush to use the next day and um yeah you know oh well whatever my laptop was gone clothes were gone that's a shame but more importantly um my wife realized that her precious watch had gone which it was a gift from her mum it had been her mum's watch right all her life so oh look at that was devastating that was really quite yeah very devastating and you know you sort of eventually come to terms with it. Well, it's gone.

It's been sold at cashies or whatever. And so we called up the police and registered that our things had been stolen, but specifically named this watch and described it. And you sort of think, well, I hope one day we, you know, we get it back. And never thinking it would. Years later, a couple of years later, she suddenly gets a call from the police. And a police woman calls and said, I'm calling. Are you the owner of this particular watch? And, you know, could you describe it?

And it turns out this police woman had been involved in some police business and had been in someone's apartment and um had come across this watch and had been suspicious about it and the circumstances under which she you know that it was there and whose apartment it was in and all the rest of it and ended up getting it and cross-checking it and found that it was um i think through the name on the back which was her mum's name in the town. So, it had an engraving on it. An engraving, that's right. And located it through and came all the way back.

And so, after two or three years, we got this beautiful watch back. So, we have both these. What was your wife's reaction? Was it just like, huh, what a surprise? Or was it really emotional? Like, it just felt like, again, it felt like a bit of a miracle. Like, who would have thought? Like, it could have ended up anywhere. It could have you know what i mean all that kind of stuff and i

mean i think it is i think hers is actually quite quite valuable right more than sentimental but it was just sort of like oh it's like it's gone and then and then you get it back again it's just like you treasure it and hold it how beautiful and she still wears it now from time to time so we've got to have these two treasured watches with sentimental value that we lost and that were found again. I mean, there are two things going on here, man. One thing is a podcast about watches, which, you know, I'm totally up for, of course. But if you're going to do it about lost and found, like you almost don't want to restrict yourself to watches. Because, you know, there are always interesting stories about people who, you know, lost their wedding ring and then it grew into a carrot in the backyard

and one day you're eating a carrot and the ring falls out and things like that. So, that actually happens sometimes, like stuff gets into plants and things. And so, if you broaden it beyond watchers and especially include rings because people, there are millions of stories about lost and found rings, I think you'd be on a bit of a winner there. Yeah, you're right. That's a broader, that's a whole thing in itself, isn't it? Yeah, yeah.

Do you have anything like that? Have you got something that you've miraculously found again that's come back to you? I have. Yeah, I mean, I think everyone has some of those. Yeah, and they're all, you know, those moments when you think you've lost something and you find it on the ground or something and, you know, a day or two later. I do have a lot. I do have a lot i do have a lot i remember being at a music festival again and losing a camera uh a stills camera that had all my holiday pictures from japan on it and thinking well that's that

gone but because it was in japan and everyone's so unbelievably honest someone had found it and had handed it into lost and found no that's great i just went to the lost and found an hour or two later and they go oh yep here's your camera handed it back to me no that's great whereas you know most other places you'd think a really expensive camera you might not see that again what's the worst thing you've lost like what have you lost and you've gone oh geez that still hurts to think you lost it i'm struggling a bit thinking on the spot but i mean i do lose things a bit and there's two different types I mean, I do lose things a bit. And there's two different types of lost, isn't there?

There's like that invasive, shocking lost when you realise you've lost it, like you drop something or it's like it vanishes. And then there's that other kind of just lost in the mists of time lost, like, oh, whatever happened to that thing I had that I wish I still had? And you can't think for the life of you where it's gone. And that's that kind of more stealthy, gradual... Hang on, it's a doorbell. Hang on. You there? Yeah.

Yeah, sorry. There was just a guy at the door there returning the Swiss Army knife my dad gave me when I was 12. Man, this is about watches. Get back on track. Sorry. I googled Lost Watch and all that came up was like opportunities to watch Lost, the TV show. Well, that would be another podcast.

Not quite as interesting. I'm sure after we finish recording, I'll think of some cracking story of something I lost. But my dad has a cool item, but it resulted in him losing something else cool. So when he was a soldier in the Vietnam War, like all soldiers, he had like the Australian slouch hat, that classic hat that Australian soldiers wear. Yeah. And as he was about to leave the war, he was with an American soldier. And the soldier was saying, oh, I love your hat. And my dad really liked his Zippo lighter that he had.

Oh, yeah. His name was engraved on it, the soldier's name and his rank and stuff like that. I think it must have had the crest of whatever his affiliation was in the military. And dad traded his slouch hat for this zippo lighter and i think as the years went on he may he may have regretted it he kind of wished he still had his slouch hat from the war but i always thought this zippo lighter was really really cool because this was when zippo lighters were a bit rarer i mean everyone has one now but they're a little bit of a less common thing to see and you know it had been through the war and it was engraved with this

soldier's name you know i'd always say what's that name on your lighter dad he explained it was this soldier and it was cool and he actually did use it like it was his it was his operating lighter i don't know what he does with it now but you know zippos last forever i always thought that was quite a cool thing and to me it was kind of cooler than a hat i guess now that i'm a bit older and wiser i can see that the hat would have been maybe better to have. Well, the Zippo lighter he was able to use and have around with him. The hat, obviously, he's not just going to wear the hat to work, is he? No.

So, he got to use it, which is kind of nice. But I guess it's a little bit rare. Yeah, yeah. It was, you know. And my dad's a smoker, so he would use it every day, you know, this cool lighter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's the rarest watch in the world? Like, do you have any watch trivia about that?

I can give you some good trivia about moon watchers because the Amiga Speedmaster, that was the NASA approved that as the watch for the astronauts to wear in space. for the astronauts to wear in space. So on the first and most important moon landing, Apollo 11, there was a problem, I think, with like the clock in the landing craft, the Eagle. So Neil Armstrong took his off and left it in the ship as like the ship clock. So he didn't wear his on the moon. They had this big long strap you could put,

so they could put over the big fat cuffs of the moon suit. So you'd wear it outside your moon suit. Oh, wow. Not the normal, not the normal band you get on a Speedmaster. It was a big black, I think it might have been a NATO, but it was made big and fat. So Neil Armstrong didn't wear his on the moon. Buzz Aldrin did, the second man, you know,

the second man on that moonwalk. Yeah. And he then went to send his watch to the smithsonian he was going to donate it so it could be you know put on display with all the cool moon stuff like the moon suits and all that and it went missing in the post and it's never been seen or heard from again oh so the watch that was worn on that first moonwalk is no one knows where it is the other ones that were won on subsequent moonwalks you do sometimes see in various museums and stuff i've seen them around the place and you know it's cool to see him but that that precious one gone lost lost a lost watch a lost course there you lost watch that's the

ultimate lost watch are you sure he's not just saying that he didn't lose it on the moon like that would be the one if you can't find it anywhere that's the only place left check where did i leave it damn it where where was i oh where was i where did you last see it well the moon i walked onto the spacecraft i got off the place well did you did you get off oh the moon damn it did you um don't retrace your steps that That would just top my, you know, music festival. Losing story. The moon. Years later when we go back to the moon, someone's wandering around. Ah.

At least you know it hadn't moved. At least you know it'd still be there. It definitely wouldn't move. Yeah. Was Omega chosen? Is it Omega or Omega? What do you say? I say Omega.

You say Omega. Were they chosen because of a sponsorship deal with NASA or because of their quality? Like it was like, we want the best. I believe it went through like a rigorous process and various brands were tested and they tested all different types of criteria, like to do with vacuums and magnetism and stuff like that. And the Omega performed the best and therefore was chosen. I don't think at chosen i don't think

at least i don't think money changed hands at least i don't think officially that's any position but i tell you what it was the greatest marketing coup of all time for omega because they they make an absolute fortune out of it and they they they go hard on it yeah yeah it's interesting though because they they were the only ones that were approved. But on a later lunar mission, another astronaut, unauthorized, took a different brand of watch to the moon and wore that. Like, you know, a bit naughty. But it means Omega can't use the only watch used on the moon sort of thing. So, they always say, you always see in their promotions now, first watch won on the moon. Because they know they can't sneakily say only watch won on the moon.

So, that other watch was like a disruptor, like Uber getting in and ruining it was the moon watch yes that's right it was it was it was yeah what do they call that ambush marketing or something oh yeah yeah when it's like when coke sponsors the olympics and then you put up a bunch of pepsi billboards just outside the stadium or something that's right the um what about with james bond because that's omega's also famous for the for the james bond connection nah not cool with me man what do you mean getting a watch with 007 written on it because they that whenever there's a new bond movie they'll bring out a new watch which is the one he's worn in that movie but it'll always have like a little 007 or something on the dial and that i think that's so now that's great that's tacky yes thank you no no no no i was just wondering if the if the connection is classic like if there was

a reason if it's like well sean connery just happened to be wearing one in the first one and then it became well no that's money because that's money man because in the books apparently uh james bond wears a rolex and i think in the first bond movie maybe he also wears a rolex and then omega just came in and bought the rights. They just handed over money and said we want him to wear Omegas and he's worn them ever since. So that's pure product placement. My earliest watch memory was wearing my mum's watch

which was this little, it was the classic silver Casio, you know, you can get again now. And I thought that looked cool. And I used to wear that. And I just, I have this image of me walking over on a Friday night to buy fish and chips at the fish and chip shop with like wearing a jacket with it pushed up to my sleeves and wearing mums. Thinking you're really cool with your ladies Casio.

Thinking you're the T-Birds. The little ladies Casio, which is sort of dangling on my arms. It's a bit like a bangle. And I... Just to give it that extra feminine touch That's true, and I just remember walking along Feeling so cool and sophisticated That I was out walking along with this cool looking At least you know you're not going to get mugged for that watch

Kind of wish I hadn't told that story it was a cool moment in my mind but uh yeah the day i finally um i stayed at a hotel in buenos aires and at the reception desk they had like a warning sign that specifically said do not wear rolex or amiga watches out of the hotel really wow is that because they wanted to leave them in the hotel so they could, you know, grab them? Yeah. They said it's only safe to wear loose-fitting women's Casio digital watches. That's right. Please leave your Rolex sitting on your bedside table while we clean your room.

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All right, man, on to you, your idea. I literally can't decide what one to do. All right, I'm going to... Go on, advise me. We haven't had many laughs. This has been a bit more serious, so a few laughs. Oh, okay. Oh, okay, that you've changed my mind then.

I was going to go with something quite serious. I'll go for something funny. I haven't even thought about this one, but it's deep down on my list of ideas. This one I'm going to call, like, let's call this time capsule, right? Right. And this would be making a podcast with the specific purpose of being a time capsule for people a thousand years in the future oh that's great you talk as if you're talking exactly to them they're they're your only audience and you want them to know what our world and society and life is like now and you're talking specifically to

them i love it so you want. And so everything's being explained. And partly it's interesting because it's interesting to see how you as the presenter, what you think is going to be useful and what they need to know and what's going to be assumed knowledge. But also just like, you know, this is how we travel. We have these things called cars. We put this liquid into them called petrol, which comes from oil know oil when you

have to explain what oil is this is fossilized stuff and then you have to say like and then we burn it and the you know and all the different things or just like how life works how we how we date or how we get married or things like that so time capsule well one thing that's interesting is that we know more about the past than we do about the future so there's and and so there's a sense by which those things will be known because we do know things about the past they'll be recorded but what's what what can't be known in other words what won't be recorded what what's is it do you do you know what i mean like they'll know how cars work

because there'll be recordings of cars a thousand years into the future surely like it'll be will there how do you know there won't be some huge huge electro pulse that wipes out every single video in existence like you know a thousand, a lot can change in a thousand years. You won't hear me arguing about that, Matt. You have to explain what electropulses are. Okay, there's been an electropulse and everything's been lost. Another way to look at it would be you're sending this podcast to an alien civilization. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's another way to do it.

So, you know you could take it that way so there were no there were no youtube videos of what cars are like i don't want you to talk about the past though you know this is the way the world used to be i want you to treat now like it's the past yeah this is how we this is this is how things work so what's the most fascinating part of the way we live now that you would want others to know about if they didn't know about it. Like what's most quintessentially 2019? Well, what's quintessential or what's interesting? For example, can you imagine sending a message to another life form, right?

Yeah. On another planet and saying to them, yes, there are other life forms here on the planet with us. There are all these other sentient beings and in fact many of these sentient beings we keep in cages and then murder them and then we eat their flesh that's right being animals that is the yes oh i don't know how things roll in australia man but over here yes i do mean animals when you say sentient being i'm picturing something like yoda you know what i mean like or or a um or et you know yeah it's like we have these little beings there There are some things we do. I like the idea of the things we do that might seem strange to people. I know, I know.

There are curious aspects of... I remember someone observing once about aliens. If they were watching us and they saw us taking our pets for a walk and then your dog doing its business on the ground and then you picking it up, who would you assume was in charge of the planet between those two beings it's like wow those those things are really in charge he's got that you know quite intelligent person those dogs sure got those humans tamed haven't they that's right that's

right yeah yeah yeah so the curious way in which we have them around and the way we treat them and treasure them and so forth is quite curious how How strange would monogamy seem? Or would it seem perfectly natural? I mean, I see the benefits of monogamy, obviously, but, you know, we are these creatures that have all these attractions to members of the opposite sex, but we choose to be with just one and forego the others at some point and a ritual ceremony is performed. The whole idea of, you know, the traditional marriage is very quaint and interesting, isn't it? Like if we saw animals doing that in Africa, that'd be amazing. It would be amazing if animals married.

That would be great. Something borrowed, something blue. I remember Marge Simpson walking into an episode one time when she was having a bit of a breakdown or something on the simpsons and she says i just realized we haven't had a wedding ceremony for the dog and the cat they've been living in sin all this time what if we had to marry anyone else wedding weddings are look like there's really good reasons to to be married and to have monogamy but the wedding ceremonies are curious affairs are they not they are they are indeed the vows are powerful

and the you know the kiss is powerful you know there's a sense of covenant that's really powerful but there's all sorts of other stuff like the particular way that the clothes are and how people stand and what they wear and the rituals. I mean, obviously, you and I are going to talk about it with a very Western perspective. Oh, indeed. Who we are. And I'm well aware there are other ways to get married. But you're right.

I mean, in many ways, it's like, you know, we look back at Egyptology and think of all the strange things they did. And this is what my podcast idea is about. they did and this is what my podcast idea is about imagine like telling telling people in a thousand years we would put we would put a circular piece of metal on this particular finger to symbolize the the union like oh really they put them and we all do it like millions of us are walking around with these little metal rings on our fingers and it was traditional that a woman would wear like you know know, a white dress and this is what a man will wear and like a person will stand there and they will say these things.

And like we look back at Egyptian rituals and just like with absolute wonder and fascination about how they were, you know, mummifying people and putting them in pyramids and all that sort of stuff. But we're doing all this amazing stuff too. We just don't think of it in the same way. And I think making this podcast would be a really fun way of looking at all the different things we do. And also, like, I wonder what things we do now

that they will wish could have been explained to them. Like, you know how we always wonder, how the hell did they build the pyramids? Or how did they do this with the statues on Easter Island? Or what what hell was going on with stonehenge what things that we're doing now could be those same mysteries in a thousand years like what the hell were those people doing in 2019 when they did x y and z sport oh my goodness sport you know the world cup everyone in the world every nation in the world putting together this teams to play this strange sport and everyone around the world watching it on television and

hundreds of thousands of people going to stadiums to watch this game where a leather inflated ball has been kicked around and like these things are just wondrous let alone tommy ball imagine what a mystery tommy ball is going to be in future generations. Imagine if they uncovered an old Tommyball episode in the future on the Unmade podcast and then they looked for evidence of Tommyball elsewhere in society and couldn't find it. They'd just be so bemused. It was such a huge sport and yet this podcast is...

We've found T-shirts. This is the only reference we can find to it these two guys and yet millions of people are into this sport that's right that's right i like to think of podcasting as the sort of you know creating podcasts is really like creating the pyramids of today like it's really clearly creating something timeless that's going to persist and define a generation yeah you keep thinking that man if it makes you happy restaurants are strange you eat at home and then you go out somewhere and eat in a strange place with a strange person yeah and different groups of people to the to a to an alien eye might seem peculiar yeah and how would you explain that how would

you explain why and when you did it how would you explain that? How would you explain why and when you did it? How would you explain that sometimes you do this? And then there's all these levels of it. There's fast food. There's a quick takeaway. There's like a Starbucks. There's fine dining. Like there's all these ritualized ways of eating.

And then you want to go deep. Like how do you decide if you're going to go to mcdonald's or you're going to go to the really posh restaurant in town well it's all to do with the sense of occasion and it costs different amounts and how do you decide but sometimes the kids would prefer to go to mcdonald's because kids like that food but mcdonald's is seen as being unhealthy but then why do you eat it if it's unhealthy will you do it because it tastes nice well if you like things that take like you could if you were a complete blank slate you could go so deep on everything there's such there's such subtlety that we take for granted in everything we do layer upon layer upon layer of assumed knowledge

and language and culture yeah yeah why people behave in certain ways but sometimes if you want to impress someone on your date, you'll cook at home. Well, why didn't you take them to a fine restaurant? Oh, because cooking a nice thing for them at home has another layer of meaning to it. But on the other hand, just eating at home and not taking them out to a restaurant

is a bad thing. Like, it can go both ways. Under what circumstances is it lazy and poor to just eat at home and, like, you know, unimpressive? And under what circumstances is it the most impressive thing you can do having someone eat in your home my head's popping i wonder how you would explain to go back to our previous thing time like watches if you didn't know time like if you looked at a watch could you tell that what it was doing this thing's moving around that it's actually measuring something that's ephemeral that's a that's a strange concept in itself on blank from a blank perspective you could you

could look you could if you didn't understand time you could look at a watch with numbers and movements and think that it's recording background radiation or is it is it recording a score of something i guess the fact the intervals are so i don't know yeah they're so regular you're going deep now man but it would seem now it would seem kind of arbitrary in a way at first glance what is this thing doing imagine if we keep minutes imagine if we keep like you know minutes and seconds and hours right and then we leave the earth and then like you know earth is gone for some reason the sun's gone out or blown up or comma or whatever. You want to think we blow it up ourselves and humans have travelled somewhere else

and we still have like hours and minutes and days and you'd be like, oh, why is there 24 hours? Oh, because this planet we came from used to rotate on its axis and that's how long it would take to, you know, point at the sun and if that stuff gets kept. I guess the question of what I'm trying to achieve with my idea is is which of the two things is it is it treating humanity like like we're animals in a david attenborough documentary and we're just being explained to a blank canvas to an alien or is it about wanting to communicate with the future and say you are my people and

you are like me but i want you to know how we did things a long time ago. I think there's kind of two different things. Because if you and I watch an Attenborough documentary and we look at how a pride of lions works, we're like, oh, that's really interesting. I didn't know they looked after their cubs like that. And there was one male and various females. And we learn how the structure works.

And that's kind of like aliens watching us. Oh, okay. That's what they do. Yet. When we look back in history and we look at the Egyptians, we don't look at them like they're animals. We'd look at them like they're us.

And we're like, oh, humans used to believe that they used to worship the sun. They used to bury themselves like this. Yeah. This was the games they used to play with jackals and things like that. So it's, which of those two things do you want to do do you want to make this about treating us like like we're animals being watched on tv or we want to communicate with our future people well you you tell me which it is so let me give you another topic that's an interesting one to well

i guess to try and observe from afar and and that's fashion right why do people change what they're wearing over time why don't they just wear the cheapest and warmest thing that's the most practical why do they choose different shapes and colors and pay extra for them from the you know what i mean that's something that from an objective eye seems irrational and yet is totally instinctive and... And easily explained. Like, but you don't often think to explain it. You know, people wanting to differentiate themselves,

people being influenced by advertising for commercial market reasons, people trying to make themselves more attractive. Yeah, fashion is easily explained, but rarely explained. That's right. That's right. There's a herd mentality, but within it there's an individuation. People want to seem special or the first to have something, but yet belong and not be too far off.

There's a balancing that's going on. Gambling is another one. Gambling. Explaining what's going on with the phenomena. What are people doing in those poker machines? Are they playing odds? Or when they're watching right or races yeah what a what a totally weird thing gambling is people people risking what they have to get more of

what they have but but but it being done in this organized way so someone can take a cut and there'll be winners and losers yeah i can imagine gambling would seem incredibly strange particularly if you knew the odds that were against you you know what i mean or ever well i guess that says you're putting in little in order to hope to get a lot even though the odds of getting a lot you know what i mean if you if you're able to observe it across time and how much a poker machine's giving do you know what i mean like it's just it would seem like oh of course i think anyone who's mathematically literate can see how stupid gambling is well that's right absolutely it's the fascinating part of you're starting to observe

behavior that seems objectively strange and yet and yet is common what do you think is the most peculiar human behavior what can't you believe that people do like do you think skydiving like what's the most or do you just like i get skydiving i don't want to do it but i think history has shown that when we look back at other generations one of the things we do take the most interest in and maybe it's because of what gets left behind is religious belief and like ritual like i think, I think people take a tremendous interest in what people used to believe. So, I think it's very possible that future generations

will take a great interest in what we believe now. Because that's like, you know, this is stuff that's fundamental to our existence, isn't it? You know, what we believe happens after we die and what we believe our purpose is here. So, like, and that is always something i find fascinating and baffling and we we look back at the egyptians and find it interesting what they believe there's no reason not to think that in a thousand years people won't think the same now

uh oh that's that's how things worked back then that's what they that's what they believed and obviously you know these things cause so much conflict and problems and have such an effect on our discourse and political life so and a lot of that stuff gets left behind in forms of you know monuments and things like that so and i feel to say have a binding effect as well and um yes and you know and a healing effect and a meaning effect and a bonding effect yeah so i mean you know that's something not to be ignored. Perhaps just more recently, it would be really interesting trying to explain things like the internet and social media. And that's something that would be fun to be trying to explain to an outsider how that has affected our lives and what we do.

That we can be together as humans like proximate to each other could be it can be sitting in the room together but all be on our phones talking to and communicating and trying to impress people who aren't in the room like or looking at stories of other people on yeah that's interesting there's a person standing in front of you but you're watching a person and a story of a person. Yeah, and our own drive to share what we're doing, like the whole notion of selfies and going on holidays and taking pictures. And rather than sitting and absorbing what we're looking at, but rather wanting to show other people what we've done. You know, that's a really interesting phenomena that would be really fun to be taking apart in this kind of Attenborough style. I'll tell you a really interesting cultural artifact or act that continues to happen and be

hugely popular in Western culture and yet is a cross-cultural and goes back over thousands of years as well is the practice of tattooing, which is fascinating why people tattoo for, again, religious reasons and cultural reasons and trying to explain why it occurred in Western culture where there's no, you know, tribal meaning associated with it necessarily, except this looks cool, others have it, I like the pattern. You know what I mean? That's the way it rises and falls.

It goes from the fringe of society, people in jail, sailors, you know, rough types rough types underclass and then comes in through punk and then comes into the main where the you know billionaires have a tattoo and and Lachlan Murdoch has a tattoo you know what I mean it's they mainstream why people do different things with their hair yeah hairstyles yep millions of episodes millions of episodes I like the time capsule idea though I like treating it like a time capsule the idea that the notion of um analyzing humans in this kind of attenborough style nature documentary way is not like you know cutting edge it's been done before seriously and humorously but i like the idea of trying to create because you could take it quite seriously

but i like the idea of like addressing it at them not not you and i are talking to our contemporary listeners about isn't it interesting that we do our hair this way but sitting down and trying to explain it in this like blank canvas way give me an example of that then how like how would that i've not quite grasped that so you'd say okay today i'm going to describe to you this particular behaviour. Dear person of the future, today I want to talk to you about hair and hairstyling. I don't know if you still have hair, but in our time, all the humans would have this fibrous substance growing from all sorts of parts of our body, but particularly the tops of our heads.

Yeah. People at all different parts of the planet have this hair, which served the purpose of keeping our head warm. But, you know, but as time moved on, it became more and more a part of our body we would use to express ourselves and you'd start to explain how people would do you know some people would put viscous substances in their hair enabling it to defy defy the gravitational field of the earth and stand at strange angles some people some people

would take pigments and change the color of their hair hair in our time naturally as the aging process would you know take effect would take effect, would change colour. It would lose a lot of its pigment. It would become grey and white in colour, which became a symbol of one's age. Some people would attempt to defy this natural process and appear younger than they in fact were by adding coloured pigment to that white or grey hair, restoring it to a colour that would be more associated with a younger person.

Some people's hair would be wet in the morning and would slowly dry from the bottom up, from the back. Yeah. But hair, it was very common in our time because, you know, I'm assuming like in the future probably male pattern baldness will be cured by, you know, I'm assuming, like, in the future, probably male pattern baldness will be cured by, you know, science. So it was common in that time, particularly... By advanced hair. To lose... Yeah, to lose hair.

This was, you know, the stigma that would come with baldness could be approached in various ways. Some men would shave off their hair and embrace their baldness and it was even seen as a sign of, you know, virility and other men would you'd go into wigs, wouldn't you, in toupees. Oh yeah. Could create false, all these different things, you know, and explaining why and how they do it. That's good, man. Well done. Anyway. I've learned more about hair in two minutes than I've ever known before. Happy to help.

You're pretty good with the scissors and the hair. I think this is guiding you in a particular direction. It is a fascinating idea. I wonder if this would benefit from having some people come in and talk about, well, personally, you could have a host who's able to curate it in a particular way, but you could actually have some different folks come in and talk. And if they could adopt the style, have real expertise in a particular area, be able to describe sociologists and whomever. If they could get into the style of describing, they could give you a systematic overview of a particular area that could be really quite interesting to listen to actually what feels like the most redundant line on the internet is

the first line on wikipedia so when when you're all the things that we've been talking about you know what i mean you so often look up something on wikipedia and the first line is the bleeding obvious exactly what it is yeah and then it goes on from there into really interesting information yeah yeah you're right in some ways it is like the start of a wikipedia i've got a really good wikipedia idea actually for a podcast that i'll do in a future episode but yeah you're right wikipedia kind of encyclopedias in fact in general but wikipedia like do kind of do what i'm talking about but i'm almost taking it to a to another level because wikipedia and encyclopedias are written for people now. So, there's some things, I think there are some things you still take for granted, whereas I think you want to go even.

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They would use Hoofer, Hoofer, not Hover. Sorry, that's a terrible joke. I like where you were going. I like where you were going. That's a terrible joke. Anyway. I wonder what horse related domains are currently available on Hover. Horse.ninja would be a very...

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my mum was aghast at the idea of eating horse, right? Which, you know, was done in Holland, is probably still done in Holland, horse meat. And until she came home one day and they'd cooked it up and it was beautiful and didn't know what it was and she sat down this is magnificent what is this until it was only when it was done that you know dad broke the news well that was horse and mum was horrified at the idea because she'd grown up on a farm riding horses and it's a yeah it's a mental mental culturaldownload. Did you know you could download horses, man? You can 3D print them, I'm sure.

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Is a foal or is a baby horse? What's a pony then? Foal. A pony's just a small horse, I think. A pony's a small horse. All right. We need someone to create a horse website to tell us all this stuff. And when they do, they're going to need a domain.

And where are they going to get that domain tim hover exactly they're going to go to hover.com slash unmade end of ad i'm just checking that pony thing hang on my little pony let's finish the show with an idea from a patron yes if you support us on patreon you are helping us make more episodes. You will go onto our wall of thanks where we list all the people who are helping us. We appreciate you, but you will also be in the running

to send us an idea of your own that we may discuss on the show, as I'm about to do now. What have we got here? I haven't read this in advance, which I know is dangerous, but let's go with it. We've got Vern, who is from

Reading in Massachusetts. That's interesting, actually, because I know when America adopts the names of UK cities and towns, they often change the pronunciation. So, over here, it's Reading. I wonder if Americans have called it Reading yeah or they have stayed with reading i don't know verne is a software product manager what does he say here he says he's a high tech marketing software guy the podcast really helps when he's having office space moments each week a fun fact about him is that he plays traditional old time music on sunday nights at a local irish pub near boston who would have thought there'd be an Irish pub near Boston? I know. Amazing.

Amazing. His podcast idea is called Bury the Hatchet. The concept is each episode brings together people from two groups that have some well-known grudge or issue and asks, can they bury the hatchet? However, the grudge or issue is totally made up and the moderator and participants are in on it. However, the gradual issue is totally made up and the moderator and participants are in on it. The groups are just obscure enough that most of the audience can't be 100% sure.

Here's an initial list of episode ideas he's come up with. Yeah. Violinists and cellists. Violinists having long considered cellists the lesser talent in the orchestra. Is that fair? Can we get them to see the cellist as equals? Another idea. Dark energy versus dark metaphysicists there has never been a single shared conference or journal covering both

ever can our participants agree that the universe is big enough for the two dark mysteries at once and another one which i think he thinks is made up but it's not aussies and kiwis he says this was the inspiration for his idea since as an as an american i'm pretty sure it's just fun but you can never really be sure no verne says he loves the unmade podcast and there's his idea and can i say cracker of an idea that's a great idea it's a fantastic idea cracker i love the cellist and um violin yeah that's for sure yeah this would be a good idea as a serious podcast but i like it even more as the as the funny, like, you know, going deep with things that you couldn't think could possibly have a grudge. That's right. Because, you know, this is where real tension comes out in communities.

It's between, you know what I mean, the very small detailed changes and splits between small communities. You know, the smaller the stakes, you know, the higher the stakes, if you communities yeah you know the smaller the stakes that you know the higher the stakes if you like you know what i mean like it's it's it goes to the classic um the the life of brian isn't it between the judean people's front and the people's front of judea you know that sort of exactly yeah yeah but the funny thing is the more like the deeper verne goes here with the ideas of these niche things that couldn't possibly have a grudge, I think that in some ways they're the most likely to have a grudge. Like, because they're such experts and their beliefs are so, like, grounded in knowledge that it can sometimes be like, like, I can imagine violinists and cellists, there would be beef about who's better, who's more important, who should be paid more. Now, the beef would be between different violinists, surely.

Like the first chair, second chair. That's where the tension would be. Yeah, exactly. Because you go even deeper. And an even bigger beef would be between two first chairs from two different orchestras. That's right. Like the more specialised you go, the deeper the beef. And you get them into a real argument.

That's a great idea. With lots of inside information as to why. Whereas someone who likes classical music and someone who doesn't wouldn't have much of a fight, really, would they? No. It'd be like, oh, yeah, I really like it. And the other person is, oh, I think it's really boring. Discussion over.

But violinists versus cellists, then you go deep because there's so much to talk about. Yeah, yeah. There's a lot in this. This would have a lot of potential for humour if it was done really well. But I also think it could work with real people too.

I can just imagine getting people in from a highly refined area of the culture somewhere and asking them deep questions about what really annoys them about other people like in their industry and by others, you know, the people sitting, you know, the trombonists and, you know, within life in an orchestra. That would be, I think things would come out. This is my whole life with scientists and mathematicians. Oh, really? Especially when the camera's not rolling. Yeah. The stuff that, you know, the rivalry and the politics and all that stuff.

Oh, it's delicious. Between people in their field, you mean? Or across? Oh, yeah. Wow. Yeah. And people who have different, like, you know, really niche, specialised things. Like, I think this is how this, like, equation works and this is how this is going to get proven.

And other people feel opposite. And it can be, like, equation works and this is how this is going to get proven and other people feel opposite. And it can be, like, you know, deep, deep-held beliefs. And is it sort of like, and he would say that because he's, you know what I mean, like, does it get a bit personal sometimes? It can be. It can be. And competitive and, yeah. That's fantastic.

That's good fun. Very entertaining. Bury the Hatcher, as suggested by Vern from Reading slash Reading in Massachusetts. But the one detail I'd changed, Vern, is don't call it bury the hatchet. I mean, just, you know, leave the hatchet out. Like, keep the hatchet. Yeah. Dig up the hatchet.

Hold the hatchet. Swing the hatchet. Swing the hatchet, yeah. Get more hatchets. Swing it hard. Hand out the hatchet hold the hatchet swing swing the hatchet swing the hatchet yeah but get more hatchets swing it hard hand out the hatchets more hatchets we need more hatchets we need a bigger hatchet yeah that's right yeah no there's a lot of i think that's like there's a lot of just listening to people argue and fight if they can do it well and with it would be a to be great thing to learn about their curious little worlds, and B, it would just be really entertaining if they could get really upset.

Yeah. Well done, Vern. Nice work. Well done. Thanks, Vern. And thanks for being a patron. Just to bring that full circle as well for Vern, you could have the people from Reading and the people from reading arguing over the correct pronunciation

of their town's name just for the record i don't know that americans call it reading i'm just i'm just basing that on notre dame and notre dame and a few other places but yeah yeah yeah speaking of massachusetts i watched a documentary about the beach uh the bgs the other day and and that was you're obsessed with the bgs at the moment what why i don't know when did i mention them you keep texting me about it and how much you love barry gibb not how i did not text you about how much i love barry gibb you do you keep telling me you think You do. Do you deny it? No. Yes, I do deny it. Did you not tell me that you think he's by far and away the most handsome BG? What I was saying was I thought it was ironic that he was the eldest, right?

And he was the one with the thick hair. The other two lost their hair. Do you know what I mean? And yet he was the eldest and then he lived the longest as well. And I thought that was particularly, like, strange and coincidental for him to be the both of the elders. And he's also, like, and he had, like, the good voice, didn't he? Well, he's the voice of the Bee Gees, isn't he?

He had the voice. Well, yeah. I mean, he did the falsetto, so he came to the fore, particularly at the end. But Robin sang, like, Massachusetts and some of those early songs and so forth. But then he was kind of the guy that just stood there, I think, towards the end. But didn't you say something to me along the lines of that? Because didn't Barry Gibb have some relationship with Barbra Streisand? Well, they did an album together.

Like the Guilty album. Yeah. Okay. Because I thought you said you were really jealous that Barbra Stre strauss and got to spend so much time with barry gibbs well maybe maybe you didn't say that but you definitely brought up him being the most handsome and i took that i i decided to take that where i wanted to take it man our private bg text messages yeah you went through it was like three or four days that you were sending me BG's text messages. I was like, what the hell? What's with all the BG's texts?

So which of the BG's do you think is the best looking BG? Barry Gibb. It's gorgeous. Now you're the one going on about it, man. Just come up. Let me look at him in his prime and let me tell you if I think he's really good looking. I have to look at it through like 70s goggles, don't I? Oh, hang on.

We don't have 70s goggles. Like his top, look at his Wikipedia page. Barry Gibb, Sir Barry Gibb. Look at him, that big, big head of hair, beard. Yeah. Who was the other one with the hat? He was quite talented. Barry's got BarryGibb.com.

I wonder if he got it on Hover. How early do you reckon he got barrygib.com? Like, it's a sign of going solo. Is it one of those things where if you're in a band, right, and then suddenly would you be looking around to see, oh, has our solo artist registered his solo name yet? Yeah, good point. But I just went to barrygib.com and I clicked on, like, the menu for photos

because I want to look at pictures of him. And it just says coming soon. Like, you're 72, Barry. When are you going to put photos on your web what are you waiting for is he gonna get even even more good looking i mean photos coming soon coming i'm not in my prime yet. I'm still kidding. He's got a Twitter account. Hang on. How many Twitter followers do you think Barry Gibbs got without looking?

Oh, he might have five if no one knows it's there, or he might have about a million, I guess. No, 500,000. He's got less than me. 43,000. That's less than me. Wow. That's a travesty.

Wow. He hasn't tweeted since 2018. He's obviously busy working on that photo gallery. That's right. Have you ever seen the Bee Gees live? Did you see them? No, I have not. You saw the Beach Boys, didn't you?

You love the Beach Boys. I've seen the Beach Boys. Beach Boys are great. Well, on that note, we must sign off. Tim's got Bee Ge's research to do. Barry Gibb photos to look at. Although you won't find them on his website, but anyway, I'm sure you'll find them somewhere.

Your personal stash. That reminds me, remind me to tell you something very funny when we get off air in a minute. You can't end the episode saying that. I just did.