The Unmade Podcast - 30: KFC Skin Patches

Episode Date: July 30, 2019

Tim and Brady discuss stopwatches, podcast reviews, more Barry Gibb, The Lion King, exceptions, Michael Bolton, song lyrics, KFC addiction, plus spaghetti and nail polish. Thank you Storyblocks Video for sponsoring this episode. Check out storyblocks.com/Unmade to learn more - https://storyblocks.com/Unmade Support us on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/unmadeFM Join the discussion of this episode on our subreddit - https://redd.it/cjvczp USEFUL LINKS Citizen Windsurfer Watch - https://www.picdove.net/citizenwindsurfing The Unmade Podcast on Apple Podcasts - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-unmade-podcast/id1274023400 Barry Gibb on Twitter - https://twitter.com/gibbbarry The West Wing Weekly - http://thewestwingweekly.com 5 Live Boxing with Costello and Bunce - https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04v5n4p/episodes/downloads The Lion King - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lion_King Michael Bolton - https://michaelbolton.com How Am I Supposed To Live Without You - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFood_bTOX4 Nothing Can Divide Us - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KxTcDsy9Gs Check us out on iTunes and elsewhere... Details here: https://www.unmade.fm/how-to-listen/

Hello, hello. I'm rolling too now. I'll count to 10. Join me on five. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. Ten. Sorry, I totally forgot to join. I thought, how long is this delay?

I thought we've got like a five second delay. You were just hypnotised by my counting, were you? I was looking at the wave stream on Audacity and I just sort of got captured by it. I was distracted. Look at the shiny thing. Within literally five seconds, like you counting to five and I'm, I was in another world. Your attention span is officially less than five seconds. Your attention span is officially less than five seconds.

Speaking of like counting and time and numbers, just before we came on air, I saw a tweet from a listener and he or she had sent me a photo of their own Citizen Windsurfer watch. I mentioned in the last episode that I used to have one of those watches and had a real affection for it. Yeah. These are these digital watches and they've got all these stopwatches and timers and things like that. And it reminds me of a game I used to play with mine when I was a kid. Did you ever used to play this game where you would start your stopwatch and like watch it counting and get in the rhythm one, two, three, and then try and press stop on your stopwatch and get the hundredths of a second to stop on exactly zero. Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. Hours and hours doing this.

Yes. It got to a point where I think if someone said, like, what's your special skill in life? I would have said stopping stopwatches on exactly zero hundredths of a second. You reckon it's actually a skill that was developed in you. It's not just random. You think you've actually gotten better at it? Yeah, because not only is it that sense of timing, but it's also, you know, getting a feel for the watch and the lag of the buttons and things like that. So, you could, you know, it became like a touch. You'd have to be doing it on your home

watch because you just, you know, you knew the give in those buttons just perfectly and like using your own cricket bat or something like that. Yeah. On my Citizen Windsurfer, I had it just right where I could just stop it on zero every time. Wow. Wow. That's impressive. There is a reset button. If you press that, it goes back to zero.

That happens every time when I do that. I can imagine you doing it thinking, okay, I'm going to do it. And you're watching it like one, two. And then after five seconds, you've forgotten what game you're playing and your mind's just drifted away and it was exactly five seconds because i had a timer in my hand that was your skill five seconds and zero hundreds you you attuned your attention span to be exactly five seconds that's exactly right it's like i've forgotten what i'm doing now. What am I doing? That's actually what they use to calibrate atomic clocks, Tim's five second attention span. Everyone thinks it's like cesium atoms vibrating, but it's not.

It's how long Tim can like watch a TV show for before he gets bored. That's right. That's right. At the precise moment that guy looks away and looks dreamy, press the button. I'm just picturing Tim working at NASA, like in mission control, and they're like, T minus, five, four, three, two, one, ignition. Tim, Tim, press the red button. Oh, we've missed our launch window.

She's suddenly going, would it be great if we could go to outer space? That's what we're doing. We're doing that now. It is funny how satisfying it is to see things click over to those, you know, main round numbers, isn't it? Whether it's the speedometer in the car or even just watching a clock on the microwave just clicking over you. There's a strange sense of satisfaction at seeing it turn to exactly 12 o'clock or 2 o'clock or something. I'm thinking about how, have you ever noticed in podcasts

they're always telling you, please leave a review and give us a star rating on iTunes? Yeah. Because that's good for podcasts. It helps them grow, become more popular. A more popular podcast is more sustainable and therefore lasts for longer. We don't do it very often.

And my opinion is it wouldn't really help us very much because the algorithm that recommends podcasts, even if we get recommended more on iTunes, I can't imagine what it is about our podcast that would make someone listen. Like, it's not like, oh, I'm really into Egyptology. Oh, look, here's an Egyptology podcast. I'll give it a try. Because we're so like vague and nebulous what it's about. I never imagined that would help us very much. So, I've never really pushed that side of things.

Why on earth are people listening to us? Well, yeah, that's half the problem, that's that's another issue but i've decided i would like to have a little this is more for the sake of a podcast idea that i would like people to go and write a review of the unmade podcast on itunes oh yes and my idea is that we will read some of them on the show in the next podcast we'll read out the best ones that's a good idea i'm going to put a few conditions and rules on this. And I'll do that afterwards. But first of all, I've written three, like, dummy reviews to sort of inspire people to let them know the sort of things they could say.

Would you like to hear my three reviews of the Unmade podcast? You haven't put them on iTunes, have you? Because surely there's a policy about not reviewing your own podcast. I've not done it. I'm just letting you know what I imagine a hypothetical person would say about the show. All right. All right. You ready?

Yeah. Here's the first one. Harron and Hein are changing the face of podcasting with their fascinating forays into the world of ideas. Hein brings an undoubted warmth and charm to the show, his infectious laugh brightening any day. Harren is more the straight man, but his good looks and raw sexual charisma give the show an edgier side.

You like that one? Hmm. Yeah? It sounds more like... It started off sounding a little bit like a, you know, like a poem that someone might read in a best man speech at someone's wedding, you know. Well, I went for the double alliteration with Harren and Hine and fascinating forays because, you know, I'm an artist. Well, it's, yeah, no, it's lovely, man.

What's the next one? Okay. I have just one word to describe the Unmade podcast. Yeah, no, it's lovely, man. What's the next one? Okay. I have just one word to describe the Unmade podcast. Absolutely brilliant. Each week, these two Australians suggest ideas for podcasts they would never make, although strangely they have subsequently made a few of them. I cannot recommend this delightful, insightful show highly enough. And make sure you're also supporting them on Patreon. the address is patreon.com slash unmade fm this is starting to feel a little bit self-serving is there an angle to this well obviously asking people to review your show

and put reviews is self-serving but normally you do it in a casual kind of humble way you know hey if you get time you know pop on a review we'd really appreciate really appreciate it. Tim, I'm writing praiseful reviews of us. Of course, this is going to be unhumble and self-serving. Well, I know, but I feel, but I'm starting to believe you. And that's a real problem. Here we go. Tim and Brady are the honey prawns of podcasting. Each idea they discuss is a sweet morsel of deep fried genius,

certain to delight your senses. Indulge in this delicious podcast, safe in the knowledge that no MSG was used in its preparation. And also, try the special fried rice. All right. All right. All right. So, I don't know if people are going to be as eloquent as you've managed to be.

However, I would be genuinely interested just myself to hear what it is that people appreciate about our podcast. We seem to have a heap of listeners and I'm a bit staggered as to what they get out of it, really. Apart from, well, I caught up with one mate in Melbourne the other day and he knows us. And so he listens because he knows us. But everyone else, I'm really staggered by by it but I would be genuinely interested to hear but um you're actually taking take it a little bit further and and and and be a little bit fun and eloquent about it is that is that what you're suggesting yeah well if you want to get read out on the show you're going to have to take it to the next level you can't just say you know good show that's right

but here here are my rules here are my rules first of all you mustn't breach any like rules or terms of service on itunes and like i don't know what the rules are but don't break any rules your podcast should be like honest but also like useful in some way like to people like serving the purpose of a review to other people who would read it yeah funniness and cleverness will be rewarded, of course. Yeah. If possible, please be positive. Like, this isn't, like, if you listen to the show, you must think it's all right.

And people will actually read these reviews deciding whether or not to listen to the show. So, if you're, like, really mean or an idiot or just trying to be, like, contrarian by being, you know, really horrible to us, Not only are you kind of, like, ruining our day a bit, but you're like, it's kind of, you know, this is like a thing we've made and you're taking a bit of a poop on our front lawn if you, like, are really mean to us just because you think it's funny. So, like, maybe try to find the positive side of the show or, like, maybe just don't bother doing it. Like, it's supposed to be fun. Focus on the presenter you do actually like the host you

it's gonna be a lot of mentioning of tim also seeing you there writing a review like you can also just click the little five stars for us as well because and like don't don't put if you don't think if you think it's a one star show all right but if you don't don't put one star just to be like funny and the person who gave one star. Because it like ruins out like the average forever for the sake of your like joke for a few seconds. So, don't do something to us that you wouldn't want done to your creation. That's the golden rule. That's the golden rule of podcast reviewing. But anyway, but if there's some funny ones like, but be funny and clever and have some in jokes in there.

You don't have to mention my sexual charisma. No. I would consider that just more of a bonus feature of the podcast, not one of our main. No. Like we haven't centred the podcast around your smouldering sensual personality. No.

But that's just more of like a. That just comes with the package. What can I say? That's right. It's like when Brad Pitt's when brad pitt's playing a really strong dramatic role the fact that he's so hot yeah isn't adding to the role it's just like a hey it's no brad pitt but you're really focused on the character yeah i think that's what you do man yeah you manage to just harness your um other strengths yeah and um yeah it's like when

you're watching a bg's music video you're there for the music. The fact that Barry Gibb is so handsome is just like peripheral. Barry. I wonder if we can get him to tweet again. You know how Barry hadn't tweeted since 2018? Wouldn't it be awesome to try and get Barry to tweet? That'd be. We could get Barry to send a tweet. Maybe he'll write a review of the podcast for us.

Maybe. Maybe. Can you write a review in a falsetto? That's what I want to know. Leah, I'd love to hear him review it in falsetto. I love it when Brady's on the show. I love it when they do the ideas. Oh, dear.

We need to get on to an idea. Do we? Yeah. All we've done so far is ask people to review our show which is not something we've done before but we've now spent um like 15 minutes doing yeah and we haven't actually given them a show to review no imagine that as a podcast like a whole podcast like 50 episodes where all you do is ask people to review your show and that's all the show is please review us that's all the show's about now we're going to talk about our sponsor that would be a good fun art podcast that could be

my idea for today please review us the podcast is called please review us and all you do is talk about how much you want to be reviewed that's all your content is and then whenever you get a review you talk about it in depth, like you review your reviews. Oh, this is a good one, Tim. Listen to this one. This is from Jenny from Canada. And this is what she wrote about us. And you just dissect it like sentence by sentence.

Oh, I love her use of adjectives. So, they're reviewing the way you both ask for reviews and read other reviews. Yeah. I mean, the first few episodes when you have no reviews, you're just going to be begging for reviews. As the show evolves, you'll actually start having some reviews to talk about amongst the begging for more reviews. There are shows, of course, which are all about reviewing. So, like, I used to buy a lot of music magazines. My shed's full of music magazines.

And just to read CD reviews, many of them that I'll never buy. I just loved reading the reviews of music and how they're rated and how many stars they got. And movie reviews are obviously classic like that too. And people make whole careers out of being reviewers. Well, critics, obviously. Oh, yeah. There's some good movie review podcasts around, definitely.

Not a movie reviewing podcast where the podcast is about reviewing the way they review the reviews of their podcast that's not happening yet i've got an idea on my list that goes deep on that on that idea in fact why don't i do that as my idea today go for it because i've had i've had this idea that is like i haven't got a good name for it like the the name i've given it temporarily is the Metacast because it's so meta. It's so inward looking. So, each week or each episode, you're doing something like you just said. So, you will have one episode where you review podcasts.

So, you pick a podcast that does reviews and you'll review it in the style that they use, but you turn it on to them. And another one you could do, for example, is you could do a podcast where you list your top five favorite podcasts that do top fives. And then you could do a podcast where you talk about a two dude talking podcast and it's two dudes doing it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. You do a murder podcast where you talk about the murder of someone who did a murder podcast oh yeah so you know jenny smith used to do a murder podcast but then she was murdered and then you do like a you know serial style review of how she was

murdered or you could do like a podcast which talks about the science of what makes a good science podcast and you really break down science podcasts and do like a scientific review of how they work so you just pick any genre and you then turn the genre on itself. No, that's good. Well, people would love it. They'd die to be reviewed because it's like doing a homage as well as a review, isn't it? It's just like, wow, we got reviewed and it would be a real honor. You know, people are just dying to be reviewed by particular reviewers.

You do like an episode that's done in the style of like the daily by the new york times but the story you're covering and analyzing is the success of the daily yeah yeah why is that why is the hi i'm brady barbaro today we're going to talk about why the daily is so successful yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i don't know how much steam i don't know how long you could sustain this, sustain this, but there you go, Metacast. Yeah, it would be good. It'd be good. It'd be particularly good if they could use the sound effects and, you know, if they could

get the rights and there was a general understanding, you know what I mean? That you could, the opening music and the style. Yeah, that'd work. That'd be good. Or you make a similar one, you tweak it and just make it uncannily sound like it. Yeah. You can do that sort of thing. What kind of genre of podcast do you listen to the most?

What do I listen to? Or do you not listen to them much? I do. I've listened to the West Wing Weekly kind of pretty much all the way through. That's nearly over now because they're almost, you know, the final season. But I put one of them on every now and then. Well, of course, you had your earlier idea, didn't you? The West Wing Weekly Weekly.

That's right. Yeah, yeah. You do weekly reviews of the West Wing Weekly. I didn't listen to it for a long time. And then I listened to it again. I got back into it and got intrigued because I... I got really into that one and then I stopped and I haven't got back on the horse yet. But I might sometime.

It was prompted by... It's a bit like the West Wing itself. You know, you don't watch the West Wing for a couple of years because I've seen it all the way through many times. And then you think one day, oh, I'll put an episode on and I've got an episode. And then next time I was in the car, I went looking for the episode of the West Wing Weekly that matches up with it, just because I was sort of in the mindset and thinking about it and kind of kept going from there. So, yeah, just for a bit. And then you sort of in the mindset and thinking about it and kind of kept going from there. So, yeah, just for a bit. And then you sort of move off it.

I have all the West Wings permanently on my iPad, like properly downloaded and always on planes. If I've just got like, there's like 40 minutes or something like, oh, it's not time for a movie. And I haven't got the cognitive load to like get into something new. I'll just pop on a West Wing. Lucky dip. What one will I choose? You've always seen it before, of course, but... I've got...

Let me have a look. I can't actually think at the moment. You could do the politics of politics podcasts. Like, how political are they and how... Like, the rivalry between the podcasts and the personalities on them. Treat the personalities of politics podcasts like they're the politicians. Are you there? Yeah, hang on.

Sorry. I'm just not near the microphone, so I didn't speak, but I forgot you could actually- I thought you'd got into your five-second standby mode. Yeah, sorry. I was looking at my phone because I couldn't remember the- which podcast. I'll tell you what I like. I like Alec Baldwin's Here's the Thing. That's pretty good.

Yeah, I've never heard that. Yeah, he just sort of has some really good interviews and he's, you know, he's got a good nature and way about him. I got into it because he had Tom York from Radiohead on there pretty early and then Jerry Seinfeld and Michael Stipe. And so that was quite interesting. There's another one called Dissect, which I quite like, and that's gone through a couple of albums in minute detail.

And I really enjoyed that. So you could then do that to them. You would dissect the Dissect podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah. Just pull it apart.

Song Explode, the Song Exploder. Yeah, I do like Song Exploder as well. Yeah, very much. And then there's some other ones. I'm interested in theology, of course. I've got a bunch around theology and different areas like that. Philosophy podcast. Yeah, yeah.

What do you listen to? How often? Do you listen to podcasts a lot? Yeah. It's a strange question to ask someone who actually has two podcasts. Three podcasts, man. Oh, yeah, yeah. You know, I listen to a lot of politics ones and a couple of sport ones.

But I'll tell you one that you wouldn't think I would listen to. And that is I listen to the BBC's Boxing podcast. And I'm not particularly into boxing. It's one of the few sports that I don't follow very closely. Other than, you know, the big few stories of the year. But I just like the two guys that host it. And I like the way they talk about it. And it makes me interested in boxing just listening to them talk about it.

So, you know, a new episode will come out and they'll be talking about, you know, some big fight that's happening and what they think the next big fight will be. And I get really into it. A funny thing about listening to coverage of boxing and boxing podcasts is how little they talk about the actual sport of boxing. Like, they so rarely talk about, oh, he won this fight because he was clever with his left glove and he had better footwork. And they rarely break down the fights. It's more just about like the politics and the

circus. Like, oh, I think Joshua should fight this guy next and then Fury should fight this guy and then there'll be a fight between these two. And it's more like the politics and the business of boxing that people tend to talk about more. And I find that all really fascinating. There are two levels of commentary when it comes probably to most sports, but there's when it comes to like Australian rules football, I'm really fascinated about listening to commentators talk about skills and the game itself in relation to my team. Tactics and stuff. But then there then there's of course all the politics that goes on behind it like what coach is going to get sacked and you know what who might have been fined for what behavior and commentary and all that stuff and i find that really interesting as

well and but of course it has absolutely really nothing to do with football it's just sort of politics and gossip around football and it's really you sort of know, I sort of think I'm really into football, but then watching like Footy Classified or a TV show, I realised how much of this is actually about the game of football, like the hand passing and the kicking and so forth. A lot of it is just about the world of football around about it. Formula One's great for that as well. Oh, yeah.

Because all the money's so big and like the politics and it's this global geopolitical thing as well that yeah so because because all the money's so big and like the politics and it's this it's this global geopolitical thing as well that yeah formula one has formula one has it all when it comes to that and there's so much like technology and rules involved as well and really complicated rules and formula one you can go deep deep into the weeds i love it why do you like formula one you're not a car person but you've always really enjoyed formula one but You're not a car person, but you've always really enjoyed Formula One. But you're not a rev head. Because it has everything. Because it has everything.

It's like, not only is it like a sport where people are racing and you can have crashes and danger, danger of death. It's got, it's like, it's a science war. It's like technology. It's super high tech. technology it's super high tech everything that's going on is the technology is almost more important than the sport and how the airflow is working and the temperature of the tires and all these different things so there's like there's this there's this technology war happening in concert with the the game the the sport it's highly tactical it's really really political it's really really like you know there's a lot of machinations going on at all different levels politically between the teams, between national governments to try and get a race in their country and things like that.

And the race itself, the two-hour race on a Sunday is important, but far from the thing I'm, you know, far from all I'm interested in. I'll watch all the practices and all the shows. The two hours before the race is so interesting to watch. The two hours after the race, like, is as important to me to watch as the race itself. Gosh, right. I don't mind a bit of Formula One. I like a good Formula One, you know, doco or...

But I... Yeah. Yeah, I don't... I can see everything you're saying. What grabbed you when you first got into it? So surely all that stuff, the ephemeral. Well, I first got into it because it came to Adelaide. I didn't know much about Formula One.

Oh, and then Adelaide got the Formula One Grand Prix when it finally came to Australia. So it was like on my doorstep. So like people from Adelaide at that time in like the early 1980s. Yeah. Suddenly became obsessed with Formula One. Yeah, yeah. And I'd start late and watch all the races and stuff. So, it got stolen by Melbourne later, but by then I was, you know, I was bitten.

Yeah, that's right. It's funny to think Adelaide had a Formula One race in it now. Oh, it was amazing. It was so great living in Adelaide when the Formula One race was on. Because it was right in the city centre. Adelaide's not a terribly big city, as people even overseas are probably coming to appreciate through our conversations of it on the podcast but i remember you could um hear it everywhere you could hear the formula ones right across the city all the way out to the suburbs and everywhere they're so loud they are very loud anyway

metacast yeah metacast oh yeah that's an idea that someone may pick up and run with. I think it's interesting. I don't think anyone will, but yeah. Well, no, of course not. I'm just throwing you a bone, man. Sorry. All right. So, Tim, today's sponsor is Storyblocks.

Storyblocks. Awesome. Storyblocks video. Yeah? Yeah. Storyblocks. Awesome. Storyblocks video. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cool.

Tell us, tell us a bit about Storyblocks, Tim, considering you haven't got the notes in front of you. sounds online that you can access simply through joining to get an unlimited amount for all you might need for your YouTube or podcasting needs. Well, not just YouTube, any films or things you're making or websites or any creation. Sure, sure. It's not just YouTube. It's not just YouTubers. Yeah, it is. This is something before I knew about it and I knew about it when you told me about it, I would have thought was absolutely essential.

And now I see it exists. I go, what a brilliant idea. And I'm glad it exists. And it makes me want to make videos just because I know how vast the resource is, to be honest. I'm just imagining you becoming like, you know, a big famous YouTuber and someone saying, Tim, why did you get into YouTube? Why did you start making films? And you're like, because I wanted to use the Storyblocks resource. I wonder if you could make videos using only Storyblocks videos.

Well, it's funny you should say that. Because if people go to our previous episode of the Unmade Podcast, which is the one all about watches, which was number 29, I think. And we put the podcast on YouTube, of course. I made our looping video on YouTube all out of Storyblocks video of watches and clocks and things. Oh, fantastic. I've not looked at it yet. You can watch an hour of Storyblocks looping video. And for the episode, for this episode, when this goes on youtube as well just to repeat the

trick i'll do the same thing so if you are listening to this on youtube or watching on youtube the video you're seeing at the moment should be all story blocks b-roll and clips and motion backgrounds and things like that just to give you a taste of the stuff you can use and incorporate into your videos. Basically, what they've got is they've got this main catalog that you can use as part of your normal membership, and you can use all of that stuff, unlimited use of that. They also have this second catalog of user-generated submitted clips that you can also pay to use, but you get that cheaper if you're a Storyblocks member. But that doesn't matter.

You can use all the unlimited stuff as much as you want. And that's what I've been making my videos out of on our channel. So that stuff is from like the unlimited catalogue. Right. So you can get all this stuff, always part of your monthly membership. So if you want to check them out, go to storyblocks.com slash unmade.

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And if you know someone who makes videos, then tell them about it. Pass it on. Oh, yeah, definitely. And make sure they use that slash unmade because we want to be like the Pied Piper of Storyblocks and people will be like, oh, how did you come to be here? Because of the Unmade podcast. Those guys are awesome. We're going to sponsor them again.

See how it all works? The big circle of life. Circle of life. Have you seen the new Lion King yet? No. I kind of don't know if I want to. Only out of, like, a morbid fascination. Have you seen it?

No, no. But I've read a review that said it was a bit underwhelming. It was impressive, but it didn't quite have the heart of the first one. I can't believe they've done it. I'm disappointed. It's a classic. it didn't quite have the heart of the first one. I can't believe they've done it. I'm disappointed. It's a classic. You don't touch it. Have you seen they're doing a new animated, like 3D animated Citizen Kane?

Of course not, yeah. Exactly. Of course not. You don't touch the classics. Keep your grubby, greedy hands off it. Make something original. Get onto Storyblocks and make something original out of all their constituent parts. Make an entire motion picture only out of stuff from the Storyblocks Unlimited library.

I'll go and see that film. One of the lines in the review that I read that was, I thought, insightful was that the more realistic the lions look, the more you wonder why they're singing. Like, you know, it's like you're pulling in two directions. You know, it's like you're caught up in a fantasy of, you know, it's charming. When Simba sings, I just can't wait to be king and, you know what I mean? Like it's charming.

And then the more real the animal gets, the more weird that is. It's like we didn't need it to be realistic. It's a fantasy. It's a cartoon. It's what we're enjoying about it. I walked past a Disney store the other day and because the Lion King's out, they were selling all these plush, cute lion toys from the Lion King of all the characters. But they're all cartoonish and plush, cute lion toys from The Lion King of all the characters. But they're all cartoonish and plush again. So it's like you had this thing that had these cartoony, cute animals.

You then remade the movie, making them realistic. But now you're going back to making them unrealistic to sell the toys. Yeah, yeah. It just makes my head explode. Make up your mind what you want to do here, what you want to be. Disney's not, it's Disney. It's not it's disney it's not bbc nature documentaries and you know the interesting thing is we saw the the musical the show in new york

right and the great thing about that that was beautiful and it was a fantastic adaptation but it was another step again into the fantasy because it's the way the puppets are done and so forth you can see the actors there's no attempt to try and make them into realistic fantasy because it's the way the puppets are done and so forth. You can see the actors. There's no attempt to try and make them into realistic animals because, of course, that would be absurd on stage. It would just be a pantomime. So they take it in a different direction. And, of course, you love it even more because you go with the fantasy and the story.

It doesn't need to be realistic. That's the whole point. You suspend belief and enjoy it. To be fair, man, if they brought out a live show of The Lion King in New York and they had real lions get up on the stage and start singing, I would pay to go and see that. These are real lions. Siegfried and Roy. I'd be there going, oh, this is rubbish. Sure, they taught lions to sing, but where's the fantasy?

When I went to the Disney store and I didn't get a real lion, I got some animal, some stuffed toy. Excuse me, do you have any real lions? I just saw the latest version of the film and I want something more in keeping with that. What do you got, man? Look, I've got a bunch of ideas that I'm jumping between. a bunch of ideas that I'm jumping between, but I want to bring up something that I think I have one idea for and I don't even know how to express it properly and it's not fully formed in my head, but I think the idea is called... Leave us a review

people. I've got no idea, but I just can't find the words to say it. I'm going to do it through interpretive dance. I'm going to act it out'm gonna do it through interpretive dance i'm gonna i'm gonna act it out as if i'm a lion you're right considering this is a podcast i i i pray you do find the words at some point the word i think is the exception the exception the exception is and that is it's based on the premise that that um we often really really like something with one exception or we may really really despise something but with one exception so i can't stand fish oh except oysters i love oysters oysters aren't a fish well seafood okay okay

i can't stand seafood. I never eat seafood. Oh, oysters. Except for oysters. They're fantastic. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Have we not done this?

We haven't. Sounds familiar. An exception. We haven't done this as an idea yet? No, I don't think we have. It sounds familiar, but. Maybe that's because it's a good idea. Yeah, that's right.

The best ideas sound like they've already been done. When Paul McCartney wrote the song Yesterday, he thought he was convinced it was another song written by someone. It's like, haven't we done this one already? Well, maybe this idea is the yesterday of the Unmade podcast. What are some of your exceptions? What's a good exception for you? Well, it's a bit of an idea wrapped around. I don't find the Bee Gees handsome except Barry Gibb.

That is not bad, actually. I don't really appreciate Michael Bolton's music or music like Michael Bolton. Right. Right. Yeah. Those big power ballads. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But Iads. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I have to admit, I have an exception.

And the exception is, I don't know why. Several, in fact. Except for his run of four albums in the 90s. Which prompted me to have posters of him all over my bedroom That's right and to see him in constant Multiple times And have his face tattooed on my back But other than that I don't like him

I don't know what it is For the last year And you know this because this was happening a year ago When I was over in London In England with you But the song How Am I Supposed to Live Without You has gone past being an earworm. It's gone past just sticking in my mind.

I sing this song all the time and I still do it. And we were driving back from interstate the other day and I was just singing it and I just had to put it on in the car again and and my wife said what why are you always singing this song and i don't know why it's gone past an earworm it's not a particularly i don't even objectively really admire the song it's not that a clever song it's a pop song but i don't know why but this song just stays with me and it doesn't mean anything to me and it's not connected to anything i don't know why so do you think there's some i've got a theory i'm gonna go deep with my theory too my overarching theory is that you

imprinted with it when you were young for some reason and my deeper theories i bet it's because of a tv ad a tv ad i bet that i bet there was some ad for the album that was playing all the time the new michael bolton album including how am i supposed to live without you and you know they play like a 10 second yeah square of the song in those ads i bet it was just at a time when you were really impressionable and watching a lot of tv and that ad was on a lot and i bet it's just stamped into your brain at that time and that's why it's because nothing has sticks in my head more than tv ads from when i was young like those songs from tv ads when i was six or seven years old i can still sing yeah yeah like and still sometimes will just pop into my head like like a public service ad about brushing your teeth or having vitamins and things like that vitamins and minerals can help you on your way and i'll just suddenly just start singing it now just ask your mom today i'm vitamin a oh i'll help you see

word for word perfect yeah tv ads have that power i bet there was a tv ad that had a part of that song that was playing all the time at a certain time in your life where your brain was just perfectly ripe for being stamped on and that's why that song has this kind of weird stamp in your brain i don't know maybe i mean that makes a lot of sense i've not done this before because i remember tv ads with that song in it. I don't know if there are any other products that were licensed to use it. I'd be surprised if they were. The song was written like a year ago. No, no, no.

I mean, ads for the album. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, ads for the album. Yeah. Well, I'm sure there was. And that was around like 89, 90, somewhere around there. I mean, when did Michael Bolton become sort of famous? But it's, yeah, I don't know.

It's never done this before for the last 30 years of not giving Michael Bolton barely a second thought. But it's not like he's Barry Gim. You've just got something for guys with long flowing hair that seems nice. I've got a theory that he's a bit of a Samson, really, that when he lost his hair he lost his power but he seems to have gained his power over me since he since he's got you're his Delilah

but anyway I'll tell you listening to so this is an exception but while we're on this this actually reveals a greater there's a there there's something really frustrating in the song, and it's about the lyric in it, and then I think I could actually improve it. And I think I know it so well now because for some reason I've been singing it so much. But it's a pretty good song. Like, it starts off, I could hardly believe it when I heard the news today. I had to come and get it straight from you.

They said you were leaving. Someone swept your heart away. From the look upon your face, I see it's true, right? Yeah, tell me all about it. Tell me about the plans you're making and tell me one thing more before I go. And that's the chorus. Tell me how am I supposed to live without you

now that I've been loving you so long? And he says that a few times. But then he goes on to the second verse and he says uh didn't come here for crying didn't come here to break down it's just a dream of mine is coming to an end how can i blame you when i built my world around the hope that one day we'd be so much more than friends and then he says this he says and i don't want to know the price i'm gonna pay for dreaming i need you now it's more than i can take and i was thinking it would be so much better because he talks about paying a price why say take when he's talking about having to pay the price it would be much better because he talks about paying a price. Why say take when he's talking about having to pay a price? It would be much better.

He means it's more than he can tolerate. No, no, I understand. It makes sense. But I'm just saying it would be improved by changing the word from take to pay. So what would it then say? I don't want to know the price I'm going to pay for dreaming. I need you now, but it's more than I can pay. I'm going to pay for dreaming.

I need you now, but it's more than I can pay. So he's talking about paying and repeating the word pay a second time, I'm just saying would improve the song. It would have a lovely clarity to it because he would be talking about paying and then saying it's more than I can pay. I don't know the price I'm going to pay for dreaming. But already, already when I'm not even at maximum pain yet, it's more than I can pay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it.

And I think that would improve that line. That's a good podcast. Tim improves songs by changing words. Well, I feel a particular level of ownership over this song now because I can't get the darn thing out of my head and I keep singing it all the time. And I somehow have switched to saying pay and then suddenly realizing when it was playing in the car the other day that i was singing it wrong and going

well hang on i think my line's better and i think i think he should re-record it and that i should get a credit i've got i've got i've got a couple of songs like that where i think oh you missed a golden opportunity to have a better word than that can Can I talk about a song that's been bothering me a bit lately just for a minute? Yeah. And that is the unmade classic, Nothing Can Divide Us by Jason Donovan. Oh, yeah. Of Donovan Doubleback fame. I think that song is really creepy and makes him sound really bad.

Let me tell you a bit about how that song goes. Basically, it sounds like it's a dodgy guy trying to put out a fire with a girl, basically. Yeah. Don't cry, you must have heard some things about me that made you turn away, that made you have your doubts about me. That made you have your doubts about me. You were hearing rumours.

I can see it in your eyes. If you went on a first date with someone and they said, look, I know you've heard a lot of dodgy stuff about me, but hey, it's not true, all right? Don't listen to the stuff that everybody's saying. It's not true. Yeah. Already, I'm super suspicious.

Why are all the girls telling this girl, you shouldn't go out with this guy, he's bad news? The whole song is him basically just saying, is basically like a guy who's been caught doing something wrong, saying, that's not what it looks like. And then when he gets all lovey and sings like the chorus, he says, you can put your faith in me. And then a big line that he says all the time is,

I will never set you free. I will never set you free. That's not something you say to someone Basically he's saying here I'm not going to dump you I'm not going to leave you for another woman isn't he But you would never say that as I would never set you free When you break up with someone you don't say to them I'm setting you free

So when he says I would never set you free It just makes him sound like You're going to be trapped in this Horrible destructive relationship With a guy who obviously has a bad reputation. And he's brought up his bad reputation, which is a bit like he protested too much, you know. Exactly. Exactly. I mean, when you watch the music video, all the girls are whispering to the main protagonist like he's bad news.

Why would they do that i mean he has i'm assuming the guy has so such self-belief that he thinks just all the girls want him so they're trying to ruin the relationship so they can have him for himself but i find the song don't get me wrong it's a classic and i will continue sneakily making people watch it with naughty links in the show notes but but like he's basically just saying he's kind of like yeah life is full of jealous people with the jealous lie to sell you. Kind of gaslighting all the people that are, like, trying to warn this girl about him. You can put your faith in me. I would never set you free.

I will lock you in a dungeon and- Oh, no, it doesn't say that, but- I would never set- Well, it just rhymes, obviously, with free. Also, like, love will have its victory. If you have a successful relationship with someone, I feel like that's a victory for you and the person you had a relationship with. No.

It's not like love is like a third party that came to the rescue. Like, it's not a victory for love. It's a victory for the people who are in love. Love is not a thing that can have victory. Love is just, I don't like that either. Love will have its victory. Love will have its victory. Well, they do talk about, you talk about love has won here or instead of suspicion or something like that.

But I do. Love doesn't exist except between a lover and their beloved. Like it's a, you can't love on your own and it's not an entity in itself. See, this is a classic song from Stock, Aikman and Waterman, as you know. So if Stock or Aikman or Waterman are listening and they were the lyric writer in this situation, we'd love to hear from them. And likewise, if Michael Bolton or his co-writer on How Am I Supposed to Live Without You, Douglas James, wants to get in touch and say why you didn't use pay instead of take, we'll be all ears.

Yeah. You got our exception to the rule. What else have we got? Any other exceptions to the rule? You've got the one Michael Bolton song you like. Well, there is another Michael Bolton song. How can we be lovers if we can't be? No, no, no.

I'm just kidding. Do you have any exceptions? Are there any things that you can't stand or love, but there's one with one major exception? I'm sure the reason I think we've talked about this before is because we talked about how I don't like Baz Luhrmann films. But there's always that there's like, you know, but I like Strictly Ballroom. No, that was changed my mind. Remember we talked about changing our mind about something. All right.

Yeah. So, don't like Baz Luhrmann films, like Strictly Ballroom. But I didn't initially like it. I don't generally like a lot of vegetables, but I like French fries. I generally like French fries, but I don't particularly like them from hungry jacks or burger king as it's called around the world oh yeah no they're not as good definitely mcdonald's are better oh i'd really like some french fries now i haven't eaten yet today and it's like 1 p.m so i'm a bit hungry it's time to sign off i like i do like the kfc chips i don't

like kfc chips that much i don't know they sort of get lost in the excitement of the whole kfc experience so they just sort of they're part and parcel yeah it'd feel like they in that in that frenzy of food i always find it funny when we talk about kfc because I like to think that I like KFC, but I think of you as like a real zealot, a real connoisseur of KFC. And whenever you talk about KFC, you always talk about buckets. Like you obviously always buy buckets of KFC. I cannot remember a time in my life when I have held a bucket of KFC. I don't think I've ever bought a bucket of KFC. I think I witnessed them when I was young and I was in huge group environments, but I've never bought a bucket of KFC. There's not enough food sold by the bucket, is there? You should go buy-

You came home with a bucket of KFC. You really are settling in for the night, aren't you? Or you- Just on your own. I'm just imagining you walking along a street in Adelaide with a bucket of KFC under your arm, looking around furtively hoping that no one sees you. The bucket has become synonymous, and I guess I'm bringing it up because it's featuring in their advertising, so I'm probably just reflecting that.

Although I actually go to KFC really quite rarely, which is probably why I... Sometimes only once a day. That's right. Go to, which is probably why I. Sometimes only once a day. That's right. Into a bucket a day, man. They need to introduce like vaping for KFC. Where you just like, where you just like have like a piece of electronic KFC skin that you're just sucking. Patches.

Patches. What's that behind your ear Tim It's just a little bit of KFC skin Stuck up on Disgusting Oh man That's wrong Tim would get obsessed with the patches though

And cover his whole body with KFC skin Who is that old man? He's been using that app that the Russians put out. No, no, no. Who's that old man? It's not. It's Tim covered in KFC skin. I love it.

Oh, dear. Or like if you wanted to, or you'd be caught in the toilet snorting the 11 herbs and spices. Mainlining. You could steal the sachets from KFC. Do you reckon the 11 secret herbs and spices arrive in one sachet or in 11 different sachets and are kept under lock and key? You know when they have, like, on submarines, they have, like, launch keys to launch, and they put the keys, you know, the cards in one safe and another one in another safe so that you can, you know, the one person can't go mad

and launch them by himself. Do you think they do that with the 11 herbs and spices? They might, or I wonder if it's like the royal family and they have to fly them on 11 different planes. It's like there's a crash. You don't lose all 11 herbs and spices at once. Not just two different planes with someone each. 11 different planes.

Plus a 12th plane for the way it's cooked. It's the KFC factory with 11 different doors, with 11 different trucks, just heading off in different directions. 11 different people with keys. I know what the third spice is, but that's all I know. No one has the whole configuration. I feel like we come back around to KFC more regularly than we should. I feel like I come around to KFC more regularly than I should as well.

The car just tends to do that. Do you have to drive past a KFC on your way home? Well, I should turn off early, but there is another slightly longer way. You get home and they're all like, gee, that was a long- Tim, that was a long recording. You were gone for four hours. It's going to be a great episode. And then a one-hour episode comes out and they're like, whoa. Here's an exception for you.

I love everything on the KFC menu except the coleslaw. Oh, really? You don't get the coleslaw? I hate coleslaw anyway, so. Oh, right. Why would you get the coleslaw as your special extra when you could have the gravy and potato? Well, why would you get potato and gravy when you've got chips? It's just more potato.

Well, they don't do the potato anymore anyway. Well, they don't here. You just get the gravy. So, I get the gravy and dip my chips in the gravy. Well, they don't do the potato anymore anyway. Well, they don't here. You just get the gravy. So I get the gravy and dip my chips in the gravy. Oh, okay. I like it just to give it a little bit of differentiation, you know. It's like garnish. You don't treat it like health.

It's like it's the healthy side. Oh, I'll cancel out those 19 pieces I just had from the bucket. That's right. I feel like we should say you know please consult your doctor before eating kfc as often as we talk about it that's a bit it's a bit of a worry yeah it's also yeah kfc haven't paid us a cent for this by the way story blocks is awesome and and and you know but i'll tell you a farmer's union iced coffee and michael bolton and kfc are getting a very good run. Barry Gibb too.

Oh no, in the interest of transparency, Michael Bolton actually has paid us to say one of his songs is good. That was a paid product placement. That wasn't real. That's right. If I find out that you've got a side deal going with Michael Bolton, actually, I'll actually be a little bit impressed. The other interesting thing about this song Is there's no question mark At the end of the title So how am I supposed to live without you

Is a question But the title of the song Is basically It should It's almost implying This is how I'm supposed to live Because it's how I'm supposed to live without you But nowhere in the song

Does he say how It's like a guide The dummy's guide To living without you Yeah it's a how-to song How am I supposed to live without you It's a really bad guide then Because all he's doing is moaning and saying how sad he is about it. I know, I know.

Now that I've been loving you so long. Was he ever with that girl or was it just an unrequited love? Oh, there must have been. He wants to be more than friends. I think that's the thing. The hope that one day we'd be so much more than friends. So, did he never got the girl at all? No.

Right. It's a bit like that classic story. You know, when you're sort of friends with someone and the guy would like it to be more, but the girl just, oh, I just think you're a great friend. And then the guy's always hoping it'll be more. And then one day the girl's with someone else and it's like, what? Yeah. I think Tim and I know that story pretty well.

We can write books. But then he says, they said you were leaving. Someone swept your heart away. So you must be in a relationship if you're leaving a relationship. Unless she's leaving to go overseas. Basically, it seems like, yeah, she's met some hot dude and he's got a job, you know, in London as a millionaire banker. So she's got the new bloke and

she's leaving to go and live with him but then he's he's a bit of a glutton for punishment so then he's because he says now so tell me all about it tell me about the plans it's like so obviously sarcastic all right tell me all about like the last thing he wants to hear is about tell me about all the plans you're making he's just like friend zone isn't it she probably doesn't even realize and he's there you know i didn't i'm too proud for crying i didn't come here to break down imagine how she'd feel if you know she goes for a coffee with her mate and just to say ah me and jack are moving to london and suddenly he starts crying and talks about the price he's paying for dreaming, she'd be like, oh, God, not again. He built his world around the hope that one day we'd be so much more than friends.

So he's got this big thing going on inside him. Imagine building your world around that. I mean, how deluded was he that he was building that up and she was so far off page that she was planning to go move off with another guy yeah or do you think she knows do you think she knows that he fancies her maybe deep down i don't do girls she must do girls know when a guy likes them but the girl thinks they're just friends because this goes to the the question in when harry met sally that you know guys and girls can never be friends like really attractive women must just live with this all their life, just waiting for

the moment that someone who they're trying to be friends with just says, oh, I want more. And they're like, oh, you too, hey? Surely it must cross through the girl's mind. Well, he would probably like me or someone would say he likes you and you'd be like, no, but we're just friends. And it's like, no, the guy would like you. They can't be that good friends, though, because he heard the news from other people that she was leaving. And then he had to come and find out from her.

I heard the news today. I had to come and get it straight from you. They said you were leaving and someone had swept your heart away. I mean, how has she gotten to the point that she's got a new guy and she's going to move away with the guy? So it's not like she's just met him last night. This is obviously, they've obviously known each other for a while and he's oblivious to it all. So he can't be that close a friend of hers.

And it's on the news. So, like, if it's on the news. So, like, if it's on the news, then she must be reasonably well known. You said you will have swept your heart away. The look upon your face, I see it's true. So, she must have a look on her face that says that she knows she's letting him down and ending something by doing this. You think, so she knows. So, she knows she's going to have to break the news to this dude. And so she looks a bit, or she looks really happy.

No, I think you're right, though. I think she looks sad. Imagine the pitiful look she'd have on her face. And she'd try and cover it by saying. Imagine the look he must have on his face. Oh, yeah. Well, he'd have, I'm just imagining Michael Bolton's face. His eyes open.

Yeah. What?, what? You what? What do you imagine her... Like, in your head, the guy's Michael Bolton. Who's... Like, what does the girl look like? Well, she's not as pretty as Michael Bolton.

She can't be. She's got shorter hair. She's obviously a responsible one getting on with her life. I don't even think she's got a boyfriend. She's just using it as a cover story to get away from him. Do you reckon he cut his hair to try and get her back? Like, a few years later, it's like, hey, what about now? And it's like, well...

So his other song is How Can We Be Lovers If We Can't Be Friends. Yeah. Is he singing that to the same girl? How can we be lovers if we can't be friends? Well, that's interesting. That must have come beforehand then. Unless the girl has said, hey, okay, I'm leaving. But, hey, we can be lovers.

And then he would have come back with, how can we be lovers if we can't be friends? I don't think he'd say that. I think he'd say win-win. I've got to look that up now how can we be lovers one of the google searches is how can we be lovers and it just says if we can't be friends meaning so obviously people are googling what is the meaning of this yeah which come to think of it is exactly what i'm doing right now i think i i've always assumed it's a song about a couple trying to drive together through an unfamiliar city

Oh really? Or shopping at Ikea We lie awake, this wall between us We're not just talking, we've got so much to say Let's break these chains So there's a wall between them and chains That's not a comfortable way to sleep. You're hedging your bets there, having a wall.

So, yeah, either there's a wall and you're separate. What are the chains doing? If there's a wall between them, what's the purpose of the chains? That's right. You're chained to the wall, but on opposite sides of the wall. I'm really picturing that sort of dungeon situation now. You know how you were talking before? You just reminded me of something.

You know how you're talking about how, like, there are songs and things from your childhood that you think, why do I still sing this song all the time? It meant nothing to me at the time. Yeah. I've got a few songs like that because my current car, I have to fill with diesel. So, every time I go to like, you know, the garage, I have to take the diesel pump out and look at the word diesel and make sure it's diesel. So, I see the word diesel. Yeah. I cannot ever fill my car with petrol now and not think about songs either by Diesel or Johnny Diesel and the Injectors. now and not think about songs either by diesel or johnny diesel and the injectors yeah i know the story that's coming now yeah i don't have one what what are you thinking of every single time you've mentioned johnny diesel and the injectors you've you've you've talked to

me you've always mentioned about the fact that when you were young you thought they were a bad band because they were injecting drugs. Oh, yeah. I thought they were like hardcore. Johnny Diesel and the Injectors. I didn't know about fuel injection. I thought they were druggies. Oh, Johnny Diesel and the Injectors. They're such bad boys.

I bet they do heroin with those injectors. Diesel was a good artist. That first album of his is a good first. In fact, his second album is good too. It's some really good songs. And he sort of disappeared. He's an Australian artist, for those who aren't aware of johnny diesel i remember he got really upset because one of his songs was used on the soundtrack to 90210 without like his permission and that's not how he wanted to be like introduced to the american market he wanted to be

a bit more of a credible musician i was like man that's one of the great honors of life to end up on the 90210 soundtrack but michael bolt it wasours of life to end up on the 90210 soundtrack. But Michael Bolt, was Michael Bolt never used on 90210 soundtrack? Oh, I doubt it. Would you go to a Michael Bolton concert? No, I wouldn't. Like I never have in the 100 times he's toured Australia in the last 30 years.

I'd be tempted to if you were in town to go for a bit of fun, but I, no. last 30 years i'd be tempted to if you were in town to go for a bit of fun but i i um no i remember your when you were living at your dad's place i remember your dad going and uh and i remember thinking gosh that's like imagine going to a michael bolton concert because i was all you know into cool music and stuff but it would be it would be fun to do for a bit of fun now do you think he does how am i supposed to live without you like at the end or the start or the middle because obviously that's when you'd leave after that all right that's what i was here for maybe he doesn't do it maybe he does some of his more you know arty experimental stuff that he got into with radio head later in the 90s here's another new one boo here's another one from my new album boo

you don't go to a michael bolton concert to hear ones from his new album i remember when i was working at um sanity music he brought out an album called my secret passion yeah and it was full of like arias and things like that you know sort of opera songs and i remember thinking it's not a secret passion like if you're hoping to sell a couple of million copies you know what i mean like it's it's my secret passion it's right out here with a cardboard cutout at the front of the store that that's a good idea for a podcast. The secret I would never tell anybody under any circumstances. That's right. The podcast. It would be quite a letdown, wouldn't it?

You actually literally didn't tell. I told you I wouldn't tell you. That's it. Next week. It'd be cool if you recorded that podcast with the understanding you won't release the episodes till after the person dies. Oh, that's interesting. Well, presuming they've got something interesting to say, like if it's an interesting secret, it's not just a, you know, I collect shells. Just because something's secret doesn't necessarily make it of interest. Well, Tim, I don't know if you've heard the news today, but I'm about to leave. So we have to call an end to the episode. But I have

a question. Yeah. Did you get your daughter's two secret words for this week into the episode? Oh, no. No. I knew you'd forgotten. I knew it. You're terrible. They're going to kill me. All right.

Let me see if I can frame it into a sentence now. Tell me what they were, and let's look back and see if there was a moment you could have used it if you were more aware. What were the words? Okay. The first one was spaghetti. Oh, you could have said, oh, Michael Bolton with that spaghetti-like hair of his. I could have, yeah. Or I could have said, I don't like pasta except for spaghetti. But it wouldn't be true.

I love pasta in all its forms. But it's true that Michael Bolton has spaghetti-like hair. Oh, well, that is true. He did have. That's right. But not anymore. What was the other word? The other word was two words, nail polish.

I could have told an anecdote about the fact that we, all members of the family, put on some nail polish the other day. We all did our pinky fingers together. And that was pretty fun. We wore them for a day but um yeah that wouldn't really fit in though would it except i could have at one point said oh what what color nail polish are you wearing lately man you could have said i can just imagine the scene where michael bolton goes and sees the girl who's leaving and she's looking all beautiful with her lovely hair and nail polish and he's really sad so you see how i just dropped that in

you're better at this than I am. I do like that. I do like that. Like at the start of the show, like you even stopped mid-show to text one of your daughters to find out what the word was and you still forgot. I've got it written here. I've got it right.

And everything on my notepad is written in black pen. And then except I wrote it down in red pen because there's a red pen on the desk here and um yeah yeah there's it yeah i'm looking at them going oh dear basically that's this is becoming how shows end now where tim regrets forgetting the words and quickly saying them at the end to make amends that's right yep yep when you get home is that the first thing they'll ask you well first they'll say why do you smell of kfc but after that will they say did you say the words yes they will and there was specific instructions this time put them into the conversation and i said i will i will and and we have now because this is kind of a conversation yeah i'm crossing off the words michael bolton on my notepad list and we'll move on to something else next time and

i hope now that i've kind of exercised this that the song might drift away