The Unmade Podcast - 34: Singing in the Shower

Episode Date: September 30, 2019

Brady and Tim discuss a backwards countdown brain fade, KFC hacks, shower singing, breakfast cereals, and falling asleep. Plus a bunch of other random stuff. Thank you to Storyblocks Video for sponsoring this episode. Check out storyblocks.com/unmade to learn more - http://storyblocks.com/unmade Hover - register your domain now and get 10% off by going to hover.com/unmade - promo code UNMADE at checkout - https://www.hover.com/Unmade or you can use timhein.ninja - http://www.timhein.ninja Support us on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/unmadeFM Join the discussion of this episode on our subreddit - https://redd.it/dbimnf USEFUL LINKS The Inverted Jenny countdown T-Shirt - https://teespring.com/unmade-podcast-countdown Pavlova - https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cookbook:Pavlova KFC - https://www.kfc.com.au Redback on the Toilet Seat - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjDAiq2-xeU The Decore Ad - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b3p8cJeNgc Duke of Earl - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6Uht69h8Is Cheers opening sequence - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGdpE8Dsr0U Rice Bubbles/Krispies - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_Krispies Froot Loops - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Froot_Loops Kellogg's Variety Pack - https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/255012929 Enjoy some modern poetry - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KxTcDsy9Gs Bert and Ernie sheep counting - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xONikEykMaU

I'm going to count to 10, join in on five. Backwards, obviously. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. All right, cool. We haven't done it backwards before. We always do it backwards. No, we always do it forwards. No, we don't.

Believe me, I'm paying attention for the second half of it, and I know it's always six, seven. Is it? Eight, nine, ten. Yeah. Is that the first time I've done it backwards? Yeah, you've thrown me, but I've managed to hold on. Oh, yeah.

Oh, okay, yeah. They usually go backwards when you're doing an anaesthetic. Yeah. Have you ever gone under general anaesthetic? Yeah, I think I have, but not for so long I can't remember. Me neither, since I was a kid. Yeah. Have you ever gone under general anesthetic? Yeah, I think I have, but not for so long I can't remember. Me neither, since I was a kid. Yeah. But, oh, no, no, I did actually in my early 20s.

But I remember they do that. They count backwards from 10. Yeah. And you basically say 10 and then can't remember anything after that. I just know, I know like for a joke last episode, I made a T-shirt, like like a countdown t-shirt like how we joked about it and i just realized i made the countdown backwards on the t-shirt and someone just tweeted me and said oh you got the countdown wrong and i'm like what are you talking about and now i realized i did i'm like oh i didn't see a countdown t-shirt i saw a blank t-shirt about the axiom there was a

countdown one as well but i got it completely wrong wrong. So I'm going to withdraw it. Wow. So people- They're going to be rare. I know. They're going to be like the inverted Jenny stamp. They're going to be like a collector's item. That's right. So hurry up and buy your backwards countdown unmade podcast t-shirt because they're-

I don't even know where that came from. Yeah. Anyway, sorry. This is like, I'm completely thrown now. Let's get on with the episode normally. Well, no, I'm intrigued. What else have you been doing backwards even just today or recently that normally you'd be doing forwards? Yeah.

Say your pin number on your card and we'll see if it's forwards or backwards. All right. Yeah. Well, normally my pin number is, no. I don't know. Like, what a complete brain fade. You're right. Maybe I'm doing all sorts of stuff backwards.

Maybe it's related to the fact I was just in America and had to drive on the other side of the road. And it's just flipped my brain. Maybe. Anyway, it's time for a Patreon's idea. And, oh, hang on a sec. No, that comes at the end. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. You're really thrown, I can tell. That's funny. That's really funny. Yeah. I'm like, yeah. Anyway, so let's just forget about it. Let's forget that.

So, just a word of warning, Tim. I'm having some renovations done in the kitchen today. And my wife made it very clear that our kitchen being redone is more important than the Unmade podcast. So I'm not allowed to ask for quiet or anything. So if you hear any banging or drilling or hammering or, you know, angle grinding, that's Brady's kitchen being fixed. What kind of chefs have you got in there today, man? Wow. I mean, angle grinding.

I mean, really. It's like morning here, so I asked them to make dinner, and then I realised, hang on, oh, it's my backwards world again. Sorry. They put the angle grinders away and got out the drill set instead. I'll tell you what, if my mum was here and making pavlova, they'd definitely need angle grinders. That's a fair joke. My mum's notorious for her bad cooking. She once made a pavlova and it went really badly. So, she threw it on the ground in disgust onto

the hard floor and it didn't break, it just bounced no i wonder if everyone knows what a pavlova is is that an australian centric or or um new zealand centric idea do people in the uk have pavs wow we really are living in a backwards world tim is finally caring about people outside australia not knowing about australianisms that's a first so anyway if you hear any noise, apologies in advance. But, you know, the show must go on. Can I suggest a podcast idea first? Basically, that's your idea. But I want to make sure we do it because we were texting the other day about something

and it just made me think what a great idea it would be to have a podcast about Tim's life hacks and great ideas because you you told me about something you did at KFC that I thought was you know showed that you're a deeper thinker than people may think wow man that's quite the backhanded compliment I don't know where the compliment part comes in, but yeah. That's just a backhander. Tell us about your post-football story and your advice for people out there in the world who may want to eat after a football game. Yeah, no, look, it was Melbourne.

I was over in Melbourne to watch my football team. This is Australian Rules football team, Richmond, playing in a preliminary final, which is the one that gets them into the big grand final, right? And they won. And so it was a night match. So it was the evening and I went off and had a drink to celebrate. It was wonderful.

And I was walking through the city and I thought, as I came across the colonel, I'd just stop in to say hello. It'd be wrong to not have a KFC after a big win. Like, it was like a mark of respect. Well, I felt like it was, if ever it was deserved, it was that night. And I didn't go looking for it. It just came upon my path, right? You felt like you'd earned it, basically, for watching a game of football.

That's exactly right. Well, winning a game of football. Right. And, I mean, that had been a lot of effort. And so I went in, and this is in a very dense inner city sort of area. So it's one of these sort of hole in the wall kind of places. And I go in, and it's packed with people, and there's a massive long line. I'm like, ah, dear.

And for just a moment, I thought, I'm not going to bother about this. I'm going to head off. And then I sort of brushed that sort of thought out of my mind very quickly. That's not the kind of attitude that wins football games. No, no. I thought, come on, Hein, you're better than this. Show a bit more determination. So I lined up and there's a long line.

But then I could see that alongside, like this line was moving pretty quick, but I could see it was one of those deals where people were ordering quickly, but then they was having to step to the side with their receipt and wait for their order. It was a phantom line. I know. So it wasn't going that quick at all. They were just building up this big, you know, body of people waiting. So I thought, well, those will be the people that they're having to make things for. But when you're well, those will be the people that they're having to make things for. But when you're at the register taking people's payment, they are giving a few things to you. Like if things are available there, they're giving them to people straight away. And

I thought, well, like I'm here for the chicken. So I'm not going to be slowed down by any other sort of handbrake bits on the menu, like, you know, chips or drinks or anything. So I thought I'll just, I got up to the front and I thought, just three pieces of chicken. And I thought if I just ordered the chicken, there's a chance he'd go, well, sure, turn around, get the chicken, hand it to me, because I could see the chicken there and I'd be off. So I deliberately didn't order fries because I thought they would slow me down.

You don't want unnecessary add-ons. No, no, no. It's like no nap they would slow me down. You don't want unnecessary add-ons. No, no, no. It's like, no napkin, no straws, no box even. Just give them to me here in my hand. Just give my hand the moment. They said to you, cash or card? And you said, which will be quicker? That's right.

Just deduct it from a bank. Invoice me. I'll pay you later. We've all been guilty at a takeaway shop of getting to the counter and placing our order based on what we can see is readily available. Yeah. Yeah, just give me it. Yeah.

It's like, what would you like to eat, sir? And you point and say, what's that? I'll have that thing. Did it work for you? Did you end up not having to wait? Did you skip, you know? No. No, I had to stand to the side and wait which is that's a long wait then when you do it because you start going i should have

got a drink at least you know about to eat a couple of pieces of chicken i got no drink and i could have got a drink that wouldn't have been that much longer he could have just turned to the fridge in fact i'd probably have the drink now while i'm waiting. But you paid for your greed. I did. I did. So anyway, it finally came and I went and sat down and I enjoyed it. You could do a whole podcast, Tim, just telling stories about KFCs I've had. Well, you're going to keep bringing them up.

Then I'm going to have stories for all of them. Hang on a second. I am bringing this up based on a text conversation we had that you brought up. Did I tell you that? Were we texting on the night? I don't remember. I don't think we texted about the chips detail, but you did text me a picture of the KFC after the game.

Oh, yeah, because that was my way of telling you that we'd won. That's right. That's your equivalent of the white smoke at the Vatican. I wonder who won. That's exactly right. I wonder who won the game. Tim texts a picture from KFC. Tim's team won, I can tell.

I know I texted you before I started eating because once you start eating, it's physically impossible to text because your iPhone doesn't recognise. Although Tim's got a special iPhone that only recognises his thumbprint when it's covered in KFC. You should have special ones scanned. What would have happened if you'd lost McDonald's? Well, I don't know. When I came across, I was just walking back through the city,

so maybe I would have felt so bad or so disappointed that I would have had to have some consolation food. I don't know. Do you have any other KFC hacks that we can use in life? KFC hacks? This is what your podcast is going to be called, Tim's KFC hacks. They're not body hacks. They're the opposite of body hacks. They're like ruin your body hacks. They're not body hacks. They're the opposite of body hacks. They're like, ruin your body hacks. Who would have thought there were so many like shortcuts and tricks to getting

to maximising your KFC experience, but. It is, it is weird now that they don't, they don't, when they give you the coleslaw, they don't put it in a bag of any kind. They just hand it to you. And so you're sort of, okay, well, I'm about to get a big bag full of all the other stuff, you know, but then they just hand, here you go. you're sort of okay well i'm about to get a big bag full of all the other stuff you know but then they just hand here you go like if this is for a family or a party or a big meal or something it's just like well here i'm holding it holding that in my hand so you end up just handing that to the person next to you or sitting it on the chair it's like why doesn't that go in a bag that's just that's just there bouncing around now i mean tim this is thermodynamics you don't want the cold of the coleslaw in the same place as the hot of the chicken.

They'll be working at cross purposes. Yeah. The coleslaw will be cooling down the chicken. The chicken will be heating up the coleslaw. It's just, it's science. Yeah, yeah. And that would be, you want that contrast right there when you're engaging in the meal rather than in the, you know, in the bag, in the car.

Well, that's fair enough. That makes sense. You're so wise on this stuff, man. Wow. This would cover three episodes of KFC Hacks, just this issue alone. Do you have any KFC Hacks or any great KFC stories? Actually, before you do that, I remember one that we had together. I was driving down south a few weeks ago,

and I was coming back up through Morfett Vale, which I haven't driven through for a very long time, and you've got Junk Food Junction or Corner? What's it called there? Where there's like a junk food shop on each corner of the junction. It's a magical place. It's basically Adelaide's Disneyland. Anyway, do you remember one day we were coming back from the beach and we stopped in there to KFC and we just thought,

like back then the biggest thing you could order was like a $20 feast. Right. And it was just a ridiculous amount of food. And instead of ordering two separate meals for $4 each or something like that, which would have been perfectly adequate, we just, ah, nah, let's just get the $20 feast. Push the boat out. Do you remember this? We sat down. I think it even came with like a whole cheesecake as like a dessert, like a group party or something.

So it was for like eight people or something, was it? And we just had it between us. Yeah, that's right. I mean, basically you're asking me, do you remember a time that we ate way too much junk food? And my answer is both yes and no. I mean, that's just my teenage years. So, podcasts, ideas. How about this, Tim? Songs in the shower.

And this is recordings of people singing in showers. And I think ideally done surreptitiously because I think it's more natural if people don't know they're being recorded. Yeah. So the challenge would be for people of the world to get recordings of other people singing in the shower and then we all get to enjoy it. That's not a bad idea. And then people come on and talk about why do they always sing that song? Is that the song that comes? Do they love?

What's your, yeah, what's your singing in the shower technique? What do you sing? Why do you sing? How do you sing? Because this is, I think singing in the shower is quite, you know, a shared human experience. But it is also different from person to person. So you would be, you must be someone who sings in the shower, surely. If I was going to bet on anyone singing in the shower, it would be you.

Well, look, I do. I do sing in the shower, but I sing everywhere. So I just sort of am forever having a song upon my lips, but I am including in the shower. Yeah. Is your shower singing different to your normal singing? In style or in choice of material Or what do you

Any In any way Or choice of instrument I don't have the guitar in the shower No Do you like pretend you're holding a microphone? Do you sing whole songs? No

Do you make up songs? Do you kind of just jam and freestyle And give it a bit of Whoa yeah Or do you like sing specific lyrics of songs you know No. Do you make up songs? Do you kind of just jam and freestyle and give it a bit of, whoa, yeah? Or do you like sing specific lyrics of songs you know? Or what's your, you know, how does it work? I just sing whatever comes out. It's unselfconscious.

The song that often comes out is a song called Waterfall by the Stone Roses. I don't know why I sing that, but maybe it's because of the water. But often it's just whatever the last word I've heard or if I wake up, because you often have a shower in the morning, most showers. I have a shower every morning. I also have them at other times sometimes. But in the morning, see, sometimes I just wake up singing a song

and that gets a full rendition. It gets to unfold to its potential in the shower with the water on the back of the head. So you'll sing from start to finish, like from the start of the song to the end of the song, or you'll just do the chorus? I just do the catchy bit, yeah. The catchy bit. Just the chorus, really. Yeah.

And do you sing in every shower or, like, one in ten? I move around showers around the city just trying them out for their acoustics. No. No, every time you have a shower, do you sing or do you only sometimes? I guess I don't know because I'm not paying attention. I would imagine I would have a song going around in my mind. And whether I make it audible or not, maybe depends on how cold it is or how happy I am or,

you know what I mean? Whatever. Yeah. I will always have a song going around in my head. I think I always do. Do you often have, well, this is the song of the day, I guess, in my mind. I'll sometimes just sing fragments of a song in the shower. I sing to the dogs a lot.

I sing, well, dog, we haven't got one dog now, but I I sing to the dogs a lot. I sing, well, dog, we've got one dog now, but I do sing to the dog a lot, but I'll change the words of the song to fit the dog. So, like, I might, like, say I was going to sing, you know, Valerie or something, except I'd change it to Audrey. Oh, yeah. Or, you know, if I was, I'm just making up examples, but say I was singing I Will Always Love You by Celine Dion, I'd change it to

I Will Always Love My Dog or, you know. Do you go get the dog and sit them down and say I've got something prepared for you or is it more like you're walking? Yeah, like a performance. No, it will more just be the dog happens to be at the corner and I'll fire a song over. I know what you mean. I do that too with the kids, but yeah. Okay, right.

So, you'll change a song and put like their names in it or something and stuff like that. Yeah. Which I think is really clever, but of course, they're largely ignorant of the song. So, they don't get how cleverly I've added their name into, you know what I mean? Yeah. So, one day that your girl is like listening to the radio and the song comes on and it's someone else's name. And they're really disappointed because they thought the song was about them. That's right.

That's right. That's right. Oh, the meter mate was called Rita. Oh, that's disappointing. I remember growing up, we had in our shower one of the tackiest items in the history of tackiness, which was called the, I think it was called something like the Great Aussie Shower Songbook. And it was a book that was like made of this waterproof material. And it was kind of like spongy and weird and each page had the lyrics to like an australian song a real australiana song so there were classics like you know

waltzing matilda and advanced australia fair and come on aussie come on and there was a red back on the toilet seat and things like that and and I was young enough to think this was like a really cool novel thing. And I would sometimes like sit, stand in the shower and sing the songs from the songbook, like reading the lyrics. And some of them, some of them I knew, like I knew Advance Australia Fair and Come On Ozzy Come On and stuff like

that. But there were songs in there that were classic Australian songs that I didn't know. Like at the time I didn't know the song, there was a redback on the toilet seat. But it had really funny lyrics and interesting lyrics to me because it's all about going to the toilet and getting bitten by a spider that was hiding under the toilet seat. So, I used to sing that song having never heard it before, which was quite interesting because I kind of made up the song. Like I made up how it went based on the lyrics. Yeah, yeah.

I think when I finally heard it, you know, my rendition was nothing like how it was supposed to go, but... There was a redback on the toilet seat when I was there last night. I didn't see him in the dark, but boy, I felt his bite. I remember that. I remember that well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this book, was it made of plastic, was it? Yeah, it was kind of plasticky, but the pages were quite thick.

Like, so there was like a hard sponge in them and then covered in, then they were covered in like a sort of a PVC plastic. Do you have memories of other people, you know, shower singing? Did your parents sing in the shower? Do you remember when you were growing up or? No. I'm surprised. I would have thought your dad might have been a shower singer no dad was more of a shower yeller right you get told off from the shower how would he tell you off from the

shower how did you know you were doing well you know you're just getting in trouble but he's in the shower yelling out what is it you know and his dutch accent coming out and you sort of you can kind of ignore it because there's something about them being in the shower that makes being told off just ridiculous like utterly ridiculous how did he know you were doing obviously i've done something wrong you know like but he's in the shower how does he know that no no like done something wrong in the bathroom like you know there's um toilet paste left open or you know what i mean or the like you've left like you've left the toothpaste yeah shampoo bottles left you know with the lid off and it's all run what is that dude and i can just and it sort of echoes around you know it's that echoey

sound but it's then it's all contained and because he's got this dutch accent you just you can't really tell what's going on so a little bit later my you know, you'd hear the door and she'd go, what are you saying, Jerry? You know, it's like... Maybe that's just what Dutch songs sound like. Just someone telling someone off. All these years you thought he was telling you off and he was singing some Dutch hymn. A Dutch beautiful song called Why Have You Done That Again I think it would be a very fun podcast to listen to

People's recordings of other people singing in the shower It would be, it would be The great thing is to record it Some people have radios in their shower, don't they? Like waterproof radios So they can actually don't they? Like waterproof radio, so they can actually listen to the radio and then they can sing along with it, which is kind of cheating a little bit. Yeah, no, that's not right. I tell you what, I tell you what, I can't believe we haven't brought up because it never takes us long to move on to the topic of Australian TV advertisements. Probably one of the most iconic TV advertisements of our childhood was the Decoray one, where everyone's singing in the shower.

Oh, yes. Yeah, that was famous, wasn't it? Da, da, da, Decoray. Da, da, Decoray. Da, da, Decoray. I remember being on a youth camp and like on performance night, you know, skit night, the Saturday night, some people were doing a whole skit based around singing that particular advert. You know what I mean? It was sort of classic and everyone knew that they were doing it.

It was really funny. De Coray, De Coray, De Coray, De Coray. So for people who don't know, which is almost everyone, there was a famous Australian TV ad for a hair shampoo called De Coray. There was a famous Australian TV ad for a hair shampoo called Decoray. And they took the song Duke of Earl and they had people like miming it in the shower while washing their hair. But instead of singing Duke of Earl, they were singing Decoray. Is that a song, Duke of Earl? I don't know.

I've never heard that before. The Decore ad is just a reworking of the song Duke of Earl. And I've walked through this world. Nothing can stop the Duke of Earl. Did you know that at the time? Probably not straight away because I was just a kid. But, you know, later on when I heard... Your parents were baby boomers, so they sort of knew...

It's more a case of just later in life I heard the song Duke of Earl, which is a famous song. And I thought, oh, that sounds like the Decore ad. Oh, hang on. Yeah, that's where the Decore ad comes from. Just like the ad for Bob Moran car dealership i i knew before i knew the song barbara ann used to be bob bob bob bob moran sells you cars and i didn't know that was based on barbara ann and then one day i heard barbara ann and i was like oh yeah okay

your trading could have you in a quality bob moran car sooner than you think and it could be worth more than you think at bob moran Cars, Ronella or Madindi. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do remember finding that out, realising that and thinking, oh, that's quite clever. Duke of Earl? I don't even know that song now. Do you know who it's by?

It's a very old song. Duke of Earl, a 1962 US number one song, originally by Gene Chandler. And it goes, you know, Duke, Duke, Duke, Duke of Earl, a 1962 US number one song originally by Gene Chandler. And it goes, you know, Duke, Duke, Duke, Duke of Earl, Duke, Duke, Duke of Earl. Like that. Oh, okay. That's very good. Whereas the Deoray one went.

New Decoray, the family shampoo. Singing in the shower. Why is it such a thing? It's a place where we're, in a funny way, we should be more self-conscious, but we're less self-conscious. So people feel free to sing. It's private. It's fantastic in the shower, isn't it? It's hot and it's warm.

Oh, I love it. I have very long showers. The shower's my favourite place to be. It's where I have all my thinking time. How long do you spend in the shower? I like a long shower. It's not extraordinarily long. My family members, my daughters in particular, have unbelievably long showers, but I don't have them that long, but longer than I need to. Like I'm aware, okay,

I've done core business now, but I'm just going to hang around for a little while. That sounds a bit sinister. I've done core business. Well, I've done all the cleaning jobs. Okay, I don't need to do the hair today. Do you know what I mean? The soap situation's all taken care of. Yeah. But, oh, gosh, this is great.

And you turn up the hot just a little bit more. Oh, that's great. I like that on the back of the neck. My dad, just speaking of him again, he was unbelievably short. And it might be something to do with his generation and saving water, but he'd go, he was in and out, you know, like a flash. Astonishing. Yeah.

He was always talking about how mum and I took a long time in the shower. As a kid, I remember having all, like, singing, I remember singing the punky Brewster theme song for some reason in the shower. Maybe the world is blind Or just a little unkind I really loved that song. It really moved me at the time. I remember singing that.

I distinctly remember Terrelgan singing that in the shower. They were so meaningful, the songs to TV show. Had different strokes, man. What a life message that was. Yeah, that was. Yeah, yeah. Oh, and I'll tell you what. I watched a couple of episodes this week.

I was prompted. When we were talking about Seinfeld the other week and you were talking about you were contrasting it, it's sort of cold heart, you said, to nicer programs, kinder programs like Cheers. And I was like, yeah, Cheers is great, isn't it? I went back and watched an old episode of Cheers, which that has a fantastic theme song. And it's just, it's so heartwarming and it's kind and encouraging.

And all the storylines are like that. It does have a really warm heart, Cheers. Yeah. It's really lovely. Yeah. But, really lovely. Yeah. But, yeah, lovely song. And it's become a classic, hasn't it? It's become an axiom in itself.

What, the Cheers song? Where everyone knows. Yeah, where everyone knows your name. Yeah. You want to be where everybody knows your name. So, Tim, it's our good friends at Hover. They're back, Hover. Oh our good friends at Hover. They're back, Hover. Oh, welcome back, Hover.

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Yes. Hover is the brilliant place to go for registering domain names. They also have all the suffixes besides.com and.net. Any.anything you can think of that's allowed, they'll have. When you say allowed, allowed by whom? There's an official organisation that decides what the suffixes are. You can't just have.anything. Like, they have to be, like, approved before they become one. What's this, like, an internet head office?

Yeah, there is an organisation that oversees it all. Who appointed them? Me. Wow. I don't know, they just exist. You know, there's an organisation that runs the show, oversees things, you know? Yeah, but that's funny.

But the internet isn't owned by anyone in particular. We're not allowed to talk about it, Tim. It's the Illuminati. Oh, okay. Sorry. I didn't take the hint. No. There are organisations like this ICANN and all these sort of things.

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As long as Hover- Well, they know. That's right. Yep. We just need to, we go to Hover and Hover's the middleman. They deal with them. They know all this. I know the answers to this stuff.

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Well, my plan for tonight is this. I have a list of four ideas, five ideas in front of me that I'm not going to use. I am going to, I've taken off my glasses and I've closed my eyes. I'm going to come up with an idea right now. Whoa. Live. I'm clearing my mind.

This is some extreme podcasting people. Stand back. It is. It is. I'm sort of rubbing my temples in a circular direction. I'm about to start. I'm not started thinking yet. I'm going to need something to spark my thinking, man.

So when I count to three, right, I want you to just say a word and I'm going to use that as a jumping point. Okay. Yep. Three, two, one. Sorry, that's just for you, man. One, two, three. Rice bubbles. Oh, okay. Favourite breakfast cereals. Yeah. Now, I tell you, breakfast cereals have become huge lately. I saw this on a show the other day. Where was it?

Hang on a second. I feel like I've just had the idea for your podcast. Look, I've just had the idea for your podcast. Basically, you said on the count of three, I want you to give me a podcast idea. Well, I'm more of a life coach, podcast coach. I knew you could do it, man. I believed in you. Breakfast series have become a big thing. I saw it. Well, a big in you. Breakfast cereals have become a big thing. I saw it.

Well, a big thing. I mean, they've been a big thing for about 50 years. But they seem to have caught on. But I saw a breakfast cereal restaurant. This is like, have you heard of this? This is in London somewhere. No. And people can go and they import from America in know, like Captain Crunch and all these crazy breakfast cereals that we see in movies they don't even have in Australia or anywhere. These ridiculous sort of, you know, configured sugar, solidified sugar, really.

But with all these brands and themes and novelty and so forth, and you can come in and you pay for a bowl and choose from all this stuff and you get a bowl of the breakfast cereal. Nice. I think that's how it works. Or maybe you're buying the breakfast cereal. You know what I mean? Because once you open a pack, that's pretty hard. I guess they could close it again.

But, yeah, this is like a – you've not heard of this? I have not been to this restaurant, but I like the sound of it. I am a big fan of breakfast cereals. Did you say rice bubbles because you have just had rice bubbles or no I know I haven't had in fact in the UK they're not even called rice bubbles they're called rice krispies but no I don't know actually the word I thought of was rice and then I thought rice wasn't interesting enough so I changed it to rice bubbles rice would have given me more places to go, I guess.

You think so? Yeah. Yeah. Well. You couldn't have had rice bubbles in front of you because the snap, crackle and pop would have been picked up on the microphone. Oh, it would have been chaos. It would have been chaos. I wouldn't have been able to hear you.

Yeah. Do you think they sound like snap, crackle and pop, the sound rice bubbles make? I don't think it does. It just sounds like. I haven't listened to them since I was a kid. But when I was a kid, I was pretty sure they did sound like that. So maybe they've changed the tone. I don't think it's a new recipe.

So just so I'm clear, your idea is my favourite breakfast cereal. I guess so. Yeah, yeah. Let's see if it works. Do you have a favourite breakfast cereal. I guess so. Yeah, yeah. There's- Do you have- Let's see if it works. Do you have a favourite breakfast cereal? That's like asking me to pick my favourite child. Considering I don't have children, that's quite easy.

But yeah. I like many breakfast cereals. Do you have a lot in the house? Do you have like a, you know, like a bookcase with them? No. With their spines out? My wife's quite health conscious and I get shamed if I buy, if I bought the breakfast cereals I really wanted to buy, you know, I wouldn't be able to handle the shame. So, I like crunchy nut cornflakes a lot. Crunchy nut cornflakes? They're the honey ones, you know, honey crunchy nut cornflakes.

So, these are Kellogg's cornflakes, but they've got extra crunchy. They're glazed with a bit of honey and little fine bits of nut. I also like Special K a lot. Oh, yeah. I do like a lot of the American ones, like Cinnamon Grahams and things like that. I haven't had many of those. I've had a really nice muesli sort of thing at a mate's place in america but i've not had many other cereals over there they do have the best cereals over there i'm a big fan of sultana bran i think sultana bran is probably my favorite i love the yeah the feeling of the

sultana that's a good solid one i was staying at a place the other day that um provided breakfast when i was in melbourne at the footy and so forth, they had breakfast. And I just on a whim decided to have Wheat Bix. They had Wheat Bix there. I haven't had Wheat Bix for years. In the UK, that's called Wheater Bix, but yep, yep. Oh, right. And it's slightly different.

Wheat Bix is different from Wheater Bix, slightly. They made me feel very full for a long time, like in a, you know, clogged kind of way for a while. You sure that wasn't all that KFC you ate with your hands the night before? No, I'm sure it wasn't. I'm sure it wasn't. The gold standard of, like, dream... Actually, there were two when I was young,

of ones that I would dream for when i was a kid one was um cocoa pops oh yes yeah amazing just like a chocolate milkshake only crunchy cocoa pops is like the is like the christmas of breakfast cereals it's like the christmas it's like it's like special and amazing but just too rare that you're allowed to have it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. The other one was Froot Loops. Oh, yeah. I couldn't believe it when mum bought me Froot Loops.

And I think I was about 16 before she relented and bought me some. I refuse to believe there's a whole lot of fruit in Froot Loops. It's all loops and no fruit, that's for sure And they're not even coloured like fruit It's just like weirdly coloured sugar It's like a pack of like texture lids Like it's all colours, like texture colours And it had that toucan who was like the, is it Sam Toucan? It had that toucan bird that was its mascot.

It never really made any sense to me. Yeah, yeah. It was a real oddball Fruit Loops, but it was like a bit of a holy grail. I was never allowed to have it because it was notorious for being the most sugary and unhealthy of all the cereals. So your parents didn't buy it. It became like the- The crack. Yeah, it was the pinup for bad cereals.

So, that was the one your parents wouldn't let you have, even if you were allowed to have Cocoa Pops. Like, your parents wouldn't buy you Froot Loops because it was like- That was them showing they were good parents by not buying Froot Loops. That's right. I didn't have Froot Loops till I was an adult. Oh, wow. Yeah. I remember having them for the first time thinking, I can't believe I'm doing this. I can't believe I'm finally having Froot Loops. I was an adult. Oh, wow. I remember having them for the first time thinking,

I can't believe I'm doing this. I can't believe I'm finally having Froot. Like they're real. It's like you've seen them on TV. And then it's like, here they are. Were they as good as you hoped? I remember thinking they were smaller than I thought. Yeah. The little loops. But of course, you see them close up on the screen, you know, the TV. You thought they were going to be the size of, like, tyres. That's right. And then you eat them and then they're gone. And then you're like, well.

That's what happens with food. Did you ever have those? Remember they used to get them in little boxes, like 10 different boxes, a variety box? Yeah, family variety packs. Yeah. And you would argue over who got to eat the yummy ones and who had to eat, like, the boring healthy ones. And there was never enough in them. No.

I always associate those variety packs with camping. Whenever we went camping, Dad would buy, like, a couple of those variety packs. And the good thing was that was the sneaky way you got to eat the cereals you would never get at home. Yeah, yeah. Because the variety pack would have one or two of those exotic sugary ones along with your more healthy ones. What cereals are on the high shelves at home at the moment?

There's only one, and it's rice bubbles. Oh. Yeah. I called it. Yeah. I know, I know. It's amazing you said that. Yeah, I was looking.

You said you hadn't listened to the Snap, Crackle, Pop for years, but you've got rice bubbles in the house. Yeah, yeah, but I don't eat them. Oh, right. What do you eat? For breakfast. I have eggs. Oh, right. I have eggs just about every morning, really. I have a couple of eggs on toast or a bit of egg and bacon. I don't have bacon very much anymore, though, or a couple of eggs in an egg cup. I just love eggs. Or if I'm in a rush, I'll just have a piece of toast or something. But I'll never have a bowl of cereal. The only time I'd have cereal is in, you know, like late in the afternoon or as an evening is like a fun, oh, I feel like

a bowl of cereal. But then I went and had a look, which I did that very thing yesterday afternoon thinking, oh, I'll go and have a bowl of cereal. But we had rice bubbles and I wasn't interested. Oh, how could you not be interested in rice bubbles? They're awesome. I know that they're a basis of a whole podcast idea, but I don't find them particularly interesting. If I knew you were going to mention it, I would have eaten some.

That would have been good research. That's right. Oh, I love rice bubbles. I'd have a bowl of rice bubbles right now. I wonder if you can get the sound. Oh, I wonder rice bubbles. I'd have a bowl of rice bubbles right now. I wonder if you can get the sound. Oh, I wonder if they're on... What's the other company called that we're promoting? Storyblocks.

Storyblocks, that's right. That's why they paid Tim the big bucks. You might want to cut that, yeah. I wonder if they have rice bubbles on Storyblocks and we can get the sound, the snap, crackle and pop. Well, why don't we do our Storyblocks ad now then? Lovely segue. This episode has also been brought to you by Storyblocks,

the providers of stock footage, video, After Effects templates, all that kind of stuff that you could need for your own video creations or web creations or whatever you're making, whatever you're after, Storyblocks is almost certainly going to have it. Download it royalty free, put it in your projects. I use them. I think they're really cool. Go to storyblocks.com slash unmade. That's storyblocks.com slash unmade and check out their epic library of video footage and stuff that you can mine and put into your own creations i'm going to have a look right now and see what breakfast cereal stock footage they have all right i'm logged in tim i don't know whether to put rice bubbles because I don't know what rice bubbles are called. Oh, they have a lot of video of people eating breakfast cereal, pouring cornflakes into bowls.

Oh, they've got some lovely Cocoa Pops here. Yeah. So the first video result that comes up for breakfast cereal is like a tired man in a white t-shirt in the morning looking all sleepy with a big bowl of cereal in front of him. What's the cereal? Can you tell? Yes, it's like bran flakes. Right. And while he's eating his bran flakes, he's looking through social media on his phone.

Oh, that's a no-no. You need to give the cereal the full attention. Well, you know, this is the reality of life, that social media is even interrupting our... I'll look up corn flakes. They'll have corn flakes, won't they? Oh, yeah, they've got oodles of results for Corn Flakes. Load more, that's how many they've got. They've got pages and pages of videos of people eating Corn Flakes.

Well, there you go. So if you were making a film about breakfast and breakfast cereals or a podcast about breakfast cereals, for that matter, and you needed footage to go with it, do you know where you'd go? Where would you go, Tim? Storyblocks. Yes. More specifically, you would go to storyblocks.com slash unmade.

Oh, yeah, storyblocks.com slash unmade. Correct. Thank you, Storyblocks. I've just come into my office. Like, I'm recording at my office tonight because I had to come in and get some books. And when I walked in, I've been on leave and stuff, and I've come in and my monitor's gone. And instead, there's a very old Mac, Apple Mac computer,

like from the early 80s. It's called an Apple Mac SE is sitting here. And it's so old, it's gone all yellow and stained and stuff. Someone's played a joke and got rid of my normal monitor and put this here. Oh, this is like, this is a gag. It's not like... Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's not like a new IT rollout or anything.

Let me go into our cave of mysteries where all our patron ideas are. So, people who support us on patreon you know how much we love you anyone can do it go to patreon.com slash unmade fm you can just chip in you know chip in a dollar here or there it really helps you will go onto our wall of thanks on the website which is a big long list of names of people who support us there are a few other goodies that occasionally become available via the patreon feed plus you're eligible to send in ideas that may be read out on the show such as this idea from um i'm going to give you a choice tim do you want an idea from Greg or Mark or Moses?

Oh, I can't walk past Moses. I knew you should. The minute I said Moses, I thought, there we go. That's sorted. As always, I haven't read this in advance, so I can't vouch for what's going to happen here. So here we go. Hi, Tim and Brady.

My name is Moses and I currently live in... You can guess where this person lives, Tim. Well, Egypt. I currently live on Mount Sinai. No. Oh, Canada. Yes. I currently live in Kingston, Canada.

You Canadians, you're so good to us here at Unmade. Yeah. My job requires a lot of moving around. He'd prefer we don't say what it is on the podcast. So, you know, take your guess. But that means his three-hour trips to Toronto is the perfect time to listen to the podcast. I have majored in mathematics,

which has got me thinking of a podcast idea. Clearly he's a codebreaker. Many of my classes were not particularly captivating. I loved game theory, but found group theory quite dry. Mixed with a university student's habit of staying up late, I would sometimes fall asleep in class. The cycle is hard to break since when you should sleep, you lay awake for hours with a mind that is buzzing.

On the other hand, it's easy to doze off even when the professor doesn't seem interested in the subject. This brings me to my idea, which could be titled counting sheep. Here, the narrator would talk about math subjects, but in a purposely boring way. They could go off topic or on uninteresting tangents. It would be factually correct so people could theoretically learn from it but more likely people would use it as a sleeping aid since there's a plethora of topics it would be impossible to run out of episode ideas entire series could be made in a subject like economics alone there is a podcast similar to this named sleep with me but i find the narrator talks about subjects I do have some interest in, such as Game of Thrones or Walking Dead, so it's hard to not pay attention.

Love the show from Moses. You know, I've thought of this before, the idea of a podcast designed just to put you to sleep, but it can't talk about sleep and it can't be sound like it's trying to put you to sleep because that just makes you self-conscious about it it just needs to talk about something interesting enough that you don't think about something else but yeah boring enough to um actually put you to sleep that's very good because a lot of people i think use a podcast from time to time to help them get to sleep if they can my wife's got one that she uses like i i go to sleep to podcast quite often but my wife's got an app you know one of these apps to help you go to sleep. And they do read you articles that relax you to sleep.

Oh, yeah. And they're usually about, they're usually travel stories like, you know, this is what it's like to travel on the Trans-Siberian Railway or cruise down the Nile. Oh, yeah. And they're written by professional writers. And they're just descriptive things, you you know the grassy green plains rolled by like a whatever and they do they are incredibly boring all right but it feels like the person writing them is really like trying hard to be super descriptive and clever with their use of words and they use way too many like you know adjectives and i i often wonder about the people who've written them like did they realize they were writing something that was supposed to be so boring or like when they

when they were paid money like someone said can we use your article about the trans-siberian railway all right like did they think oh of course you can it's brilliant not realizing it was being picked because it was just so far up its own butt that it was really sleep inducing yeah i don't know i don't know how it came to be. I'm a published author. Where is your work? Yes. They're mind numbing in such a clever way.

But you can't figure out why. They're just like mind numbingly pretentious in the way they're written and they're used to help put people to sleep. Have you tried to use one to go to sleep or did it work with you? They don't really work with me. Is that she's taken with the place? Like, oh, lovely, I'm on this railway. No, she likes the voice, the reading voice.

They're read by people with very lovely voices and that helps put her to sleep. I don't think she's particularly, she never makes it more than three or four sentences in. Oh, really? Yeah. She just likes, likes oh she's like oh i love this guy's voice and she'll put it on it and then and then she'll fall asleep and i'll be stuck listening to some writer getting lost in their own world of self-importance talking about the azure blue skies over the you know it's like oh for goodness sake you could be listening to a

you know breakfast cereals now. This would be much better. Exactly. So I have to say, Moses, like, I don't think, I think Moses's idea is not super original. In fact, there are a billion. I mean, when he wrote it, maybe it was a bit more original because he did send this in last year. Oh, right.

But it is an older email. But I like the idea of doing it with mathematics, though. Like, that's his unique selling point. And I do like that. Like, because listening to mathematicians, I've sat through some pretty advanced math lectures that I just had to sit through because of my number file job. And I had no idea what was being talked about for like an hour from the first sentence to the last sentence.

It was like completely baffling to me. It may as well have been in another language. And I can imagine that would be quite good for sleep. So, recording some of those lectures. For the people in the audience, I'm sure it was fantastic. But for me, it was like, what? So, that would put me to sleep. This is a good idea in the sense that I think we need a whole palette of these. There's not like, oh, there's one sleeping podcast and so everyone's going to find it really helpful. Yeah, because one person's sleep-inducing podcast is another person's captivating keep-me-awake podcast. So you're right, you need a full suite.

You need a podcast that's interesting for 10 seconds and then gradually becomes more dull over the next 20 or 30 seconds and then, you know, becomes totally... Well, that's what you need. Is there a topic you find kind of invariably dull? over the next 20 or 30 seconds and then, you know, becomes totally bored. That's what you need. Is there a topic you find kind of invariably dull? Oh, I guess there's lots of things that I find pretty dull. I mean, things that are not close to my point of interest, I guess.

What's something I talk about that will always bore you? You know a lot about areas of which I know very little. But I find them fascinating when you talk about them, which is part of your skill and gift, actually. You've got that journalistic sense of you're like a teacher in a way. You love explaining things. I'm just a good bullcrapper. No, because I've sat in with you recording some episodes of different YouTube clips and stuff. I've been there in the background and I can see the dialogue going and you know what they're talking about because you're, in one case, correcting and that's pretty amazing. No, Professor, that's incorrect. Let me help you

with that proof. No, there was just, you know what I mean, you obviously know what's going on because you have to as an interviewer. You can't bull crap at that level. But having said that, I couldn't go away and make 10 videos about them. That would bore me. That would bore me. But I find them elegant at a distance. I'm trying to figure out what's boring to you.

What's the content that's going to be on your phone that will put you to sleep? What's the subject being talked about that will most guarantee you're going to sleep but that's different i don't think it okay that will just make me switch off and think about something else if it's too boring you just you dismiss it straight away you know what i mean like i i what do i what are things that i don't enjoy like i find um oh well we've talked about these sorts of things before i don't know reality television things marvel movies i guess nature i don't we've talked about these sorts of things before. I don't know, reality television things, Marvel movies. I guess nature. We've talked about this as well.

Like, you know, my wife would happily listen to nature documentaries. And I like watching nature documentaries, but she listens to podcasts about gardening and all that kind of stuff. That doesn't do anything for me particularly. Just the way you said gardening was like so dismissive. It's funny, I spent my childhood in the garden doing stuff with Dad and all that, but I don't know, I kind of feel like I've done it. Like, yep, did my time there. That's great.

It's good. It's actually enjoyable to do, but I don't ever think about it if it's not needed to be done. Gardening. Gardening. Gardening. Gardening. Gardening. actually enjoyable to do but i don't ever think about it if gardening done gardening what um oh well i guess there are sports that you don't care about yeah um rugby league oh yeah rugby league can't get my head yeah oh just even just naming two teams in a row just makes me want to switch. Sorry, I stopped listening when you said rugby league. That could be a podcast,

just someone like reading out the current rugby league tables. Just this week, what is it, the Manly Sea Eagles or the Manly, then the Balmain. Cronulla and St. George. Cronulla. Canterbury. Cronulla. You just say the word Cronulla and you fall asleep.

What? That's right. That's just totally provincial, isn't it? That's just totally... I have no interest in it. No, rugby league is a rubbish sport. Rugby union is a good sport. Rugby league is a rubbish sport. That's true. Is rugby league an Australian invention or is Rugby union is a good sport. Rugby league is a rubbish sport. That's true.

Is rugby league an Australian invention or is the league, like, is that an adaptation? I don't know. I mean, they do play it elsewhere. They play rugby league in England and New Zealand. So, I don't, I would have thought it started in England, but I don't know. There's a variation on union. Yeah, it's a variation and they've just like taken, they've just made it rubbish. Rugby league is a rubbish sport and I love all sport.

The other thing that I find annoying is the massive, the advertising is so massive on their shirts. They look like, you know, Clive James observation of Grand Prix racing was that it was cigarette packets, you know, driving around a racing track. And rugby league's a bit the same. It's a bit like, yeah, cigarette packets, although they don't have cigarette advertising, but the equivalent running down a field.

And that comes on, when you watch the ABC over here, which is the public broadcaster, they always have a bit of rugby league in the sport news bit and you just, well, it's time to- Time to nod off. What about you? What do you find boring? What do you find dull? What do I find boring? Hmm. you find dull? What do I find boring?

Hmm. There's not much that I find boring. Poetry. Really? I think poetry is overrated and I cannot get into poetry. And someone will say, oh, look at this poem. Isn't it lovely? And I'll read it and I'll think, no, I don't.

I'm not into poetry. There you go. A podcast of poetry would send me to sleep. If it doesn't rhyme,'m not into poetry. There you go. A podcast of poetry would send me to sleep. If it doesn't rhyme, it's not poetry. I've been on a bit of a curve with poetry. When I was young and earnest, I, you know, kind of want, it's almost like I really wanted to be into it. And I guess it comes a little bit from dead poet society and being a teenager.

Yeah, you think it looks cool and you think it appeals to girls. Yeah, yeah. It's just like, you know, part of my bohemian vision of myself. And then, but if, you know, truth be told, you know, it's not like we learnt too much poetry at school or were exposed to too much, you know, bits and pieces. But, you know, it's not like we got too steeped in great poetry that just intoxicated our minds or anything.

So most of the time, though, of course, you know a lot of poetry because you know a lot of song lyrics. And so you suddenly realise, oh, hang on a sec, I do these, you know, you're surrounded by them and you enjoy them. But then I was largely indifferent for a long time thinking. But over the years, probably because a couple of officers down from me is someone who loves poetry and is forever sharing it and so forth. And because I've come to see in even touching in areas like theology and philosophy a little bit, I've engaged with poetry again, because it's a way of saying

something that's said more richly and beautifully and accurately even, or truthfully, than didactically, than just, you know, saying something in a non-fiction didactic way, saying it poetically as a ritual. So... Oh, sorry. You have made my point beautifully. That last two minutes of podcasting by you, seriously, is two of the most boring

minutes I've ever heard in my life. And that's just you talking about poetry. Maybe you like poetry. You just don't like me talking about poetry. I tell you what, Tim. I appreciate someone who has great command of words and is clever with words. You know, Hamilton, the the musical which i've seen many times now i think lin-manuel miranda is a bloody genius and what he does with words and that is really clever like hardly a wasted word and there are other there are other examples of writing where i think wow like i envy people's ability with the word but when i read poems that people tell me are incredible,

and then I read them, I look at it and I go, it didn't move me. I'm not impressed by it. Like, I just, I don't know, the genius of poetry, and I acknowledge it must be genius, because everyone tells me so. But the genius of a good poet is lost on me and I'm really moved by poetry. There's the odd poem I think is pretty good, but no, just doesn't move the needle for me. It's my rugby league. The rugby league is my rugby league. Poetry is more my poetry. That's the first time the words poetry and rugby league have been used in the same sentence

What do poetry and rugby league have in common? There's that classic moment in that Mr Bean episode I love where he's trying to get to sleep And he pulls out his chart of sheep and starts counting them And it's not working for him So he gets out his calculator And he adds up across the top horizontally and down the side vertically and then multiplies it on his calculator

and looks at the result and then falls dead asleep. Do you remember that? I don't remember that. My favourite counting sheep moment was in Sesame Street when Bert and Ernie were counting. One of them was counting sheep to go to sleep and the other one could hear the sheep, could hear the sheep that he was counting, like in his dream kind of state and just keeping him awake and they like fell out.

And then in the end he starts counting fire engines or something and then it like drives the other one crazy. That would be Ernie driving Bert crazy, yeah, trying to get to sleep. Which one's the one with, so is Ernie the one with the rounder head and Bert has the long narrow head, right? Yeah, yeah to get to sleep. Which one's the one with, so is Ernie the one with the rounder head and Bert has the long, narrow head, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bert's like the banana shape. Which one of us, who would be Bert and Ernie out of us? Oh, you're definitely Bert.

Like, you're definitely Bert. What? Yes. For a couple of reasons. One is I have, like, a rounder head, so I'm more Ernie-like. Although, so that's that's one thing but also you're the stern one like whenever whenever we're together you know you're always stern about things that are going to happen and you ever you know no yes that's going to happen

you think i'm a stern person you think i'm stern um i think you can be a stern person. You're not always stern. You're not stern now, for instance. Yeah. But as soon as we finish recording, you'll say, right, save the file. Like you've become very stern. Do this. Click there.

Send it over. All right. Well. Can I just say, I love Bert and Ernie so much. I think Ernie in particular is just the most wonderful character he's just other one you associate with yourself right yep okay that's right yeah thanks moses thank you for being a patreon and thank you man and yes patreon.com slash unmade fm please because because we need to kind of up our Patreon game a bit to be able to keep making the episodes.

So do consider it. If you're someone who uses Patreon, do consider it, or otherwise you can buy a T-shirt. You could buy one of our inverted Jenny mistake T-shirts. Oh, yes. While they're still available. But, yeah, thanks for your support. But the most important thing to do is keep listening

and tell your friends about the podcast and, you know, all that kind of stuff. All right, Tim. Save. Stop. All right, I'm on it. It's time now to be serious.