The Unmade Podcast - 38: The Jack Ruby Episode

Episode Date: January 15, 2020

Tim and Brady discuss counting and frying eggs, a family suggestion, Jack Ruby, advertising, food, and tote bags. Hover - register your domain now and get 10% off by going to hover.com/unmade - promo code UNMADE at checkout - https://www.hover.com/Unmade Support us on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/unmadeFM Join the discussion of this episode on our subreddit - https://redd.it/epa8ms USEFUL LINKS Jack Ruby - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ruby The Iceberg that sank the Titanic - https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/search/object/nmah_1416178) or this - https://www.wired.com/2012/04/titanic-iceberg-history/ The Camden Garden Centre Yellow Pages ad that Brady found - https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5990824849fc2b4c4fe4211b/t/5e1f9841aba2e60526ae30fd/1579128901181/yellowpages+ad.jpg Camden Garden Centre - http://www.camdengardencentre.co.uk Check out the Unmade Podcast Tote Bag - https://teespring.com/unmade-tote-bag

All right. I'll count to 10. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. Did you join in at 7 that time? I know. Just talk me through your thinking when I'm doing that. If there was thinking, then I could talk you through it. But you start counting and I go all right here we go and you know you're supposed to come in at five when i get to seven though you obviously realize

oh hang on i am supposed to count too like yeah yeah i so what's going through your mind when i say five i feel like i have about 10 seconds worth of time between one and five but i don't i've only got five seconds worth of time so i assume ah well it doesn't matter for what what i use it for it's just fascinating to me yeah i know about the processes yeah it's like when i when i make eggs at home fry up some eggs for breakfast it's fair enough to sort of you put the pan on you put the butter on it melts a bit then you put the eggs and then you can walk away and go and you know like comb your hair or find that shirt or do some ironing or something and then

you know keeping an eye on it there's a break there but for some reason i've got into the habit of having a break like while the butter melts so you put the butter into melt and then you sort of oh you know i've got time to kill now, which is... Go work on my novel. Similar amount of time is between one and five in your counting. But I walk away and my other half will say, well, what are you doing? And I'm like, oh, yeah, the eggs. Like, I just, for some reason, I assume I have lots of minutes until something that's due a few seconds later has to happen.

I think it's crazy that even just frying eggs, you think you've got time to iron a shirt, even for the egg component. Not maybe iron a shirt, but you know what I mean? You've got time to certainly do something else, whether it's go get the milk, make the coffee. It's not hanging around time. It's like doing something else nearby time. But I've moved that time one step earlier to the waiting for the

butter to melt time and that's crazy like that's madness like i'm living dangerously that could be the title of your autobiography waiting for the butter to melt it's a long time i must emphasize it's quite dangerous like you can't just let butter melt and then you know what i mean like it's it's not good. That's right, kids. Don't iron a shirt while waiting for the butter to melt. That's like two things that can cause a fire. That's right. And don't then leave the iron on the shirt while you go back to attend to the eggs. What are you doing, Tim? Oh, well, I'm simultaneously melting butter, leaving an iron on and playing with matches. I'm simultaneously melting butter, leaving an iron on and playing with matches.

Can I show a bit of nepotism, Tim, and just chuck in an idea for a podcast from a relative? Yes, yes. I was hoping you'd go first. You're actually going to go first first. This is just like an idea from my nephew who I caught up with recently. He's eight years old and he likes the Unmade podcast. And he said to me, Uncle Brady, I've got an idea for a podcast. And I'm like, oh, that's great. And like, why don't you tell me about it? And he said, I think you should do a podcast where people come on and talk about times in their life where they've had difficulties and overcome

adversity and talk about how they did it, how they overcame problems in life. And I'm like, he's eight years old. Yeah, wow. And I'm like, wow, that's a really good idea. Like, do you think you could be on this show? What would you, like, have you had any adversity in life that you've overcome? My eight-year-old nephew who's like, you know, has well-off parents and a lovely life and was on his way to a skiing trip in Austria. Right.

He's like, he's like, he's like. And then he told me about some troubles he'd had with like, you know, a maths test that he had to do at school. And also a boy in the schoolyard that was a bit of a bully told me all about it. Yeah. So, there's the idea. And even he had a name for it. I think it was like, it was called something like, you know,

times I've overcome problems and stuff like that. So, there you go. I think it would be a really good you know, times I've overcome problems and stuff like that. So, there you go. I think it would be a really good podcast to have eight-year-old kids talking about, like, adversity and challenges in their life. Particularly, he's obviously got the foresight or the wisdom to say, but you can overcome them and you can move on, you know. Yeah. Definitely have problems when you're eight years old, but they always feel like they're enormous and, you know. Like, I wonder if he's eight and he looks back and goes, oh, I remember when I was going through my sixes.

They were tough. That was a tough year. That was tough. When he gets to ten and writes his biography, they will be the sort of, you know, the valley years. After the high of the fabulous five, I had the challenges of six. But, you know, I said to him, enjoy eight. You'll never have this year again.

That's right. That's great. Great little idea. And to have the idea of the idea, you know, to think, oh, this is a thing that can be analysed and there's wisdom there and it can be shared with other people. analyzed and there's wisdom there and it can be shared with other people. Or wouldn't it be great to have him as the host of the podcast and you have like, you know, people in their like 60s on the show, like telling real stories about their lives, but being interviewed by an eight-year-old.

Oh, that's great. And him saying, well, I can relate to that because when I was four, I- That's right. Speaking of ideas for podcasts from just barely developing minds what have you got for us Tim you know what I did just before I've started keeping my podcast notes normally I keep them in a little notebook um that I think I've referred to before lovely little moleskin but I've transferred them now to the phone yeah into my notes section of my iPhone. What's precipitated this move? I guess it's just always with me or what I was doing is I was emailing myself the idea in order that next time I've got my notebook open, I could write it in my notebook. And that just felt like double handling. So, I've put it in the notes section and tonight i went looking for the list that i've

made recently because i'm quite proud of the list at the moment um and i stumbled upon a whole other list from like two years ago of other stuff for the podcast other ideas that i'd totally forgotten that i'd made the forgotten list yes yes so i'm i'm perusing through that list some of them have been done right like one of the things is just it just says michael bolton like no explanation just says michael bolton and i'm like great we may have done him to death now i think yeah but there's a few other things on the list i need to leave the microphone to go over to check the phone. Just a second. Okay. All right.

See what I'm working with people. I'm still here. I'm just further away. Right. Tim has his phone over in the corner of the room because it's somehow involved in his ridiculous podcasting setup. Well, it's because of your instructions because otherwise it interferes with the microphone. Yeah, Tim, that was like temporary instructions when we recorded our first episode or two

in the belief that you would set up a proper podcast recording setup sometime in the next three years. I didn't think you'd be having a phone sticky taped to a wall on the other side of the room years later. This was a stopgap to stop the phone interfering with the microphone. It's not sticky tape to the wall. It's just appropriately away from the microphone. I'm being very diligent. Hang on. I'm being very diligent.

And then I say, hang on. Oh, God. I think you should go back to the Moleskine. I'm surprised you don't record the podcast on a Moleskine notebook. Oh, yeah. So, here it is. Okay. Here's the idea. I think you should go back to the Moleskine. I'm surprised you don't record the podcast on a Moleskine notebook. Oh, yeah. So here it is. Okay, here's the idea.

And this is from the new list because I'm quite excited about it and I can't get past it. Oh, we're on the new list now. We're not on the old list. No, no. But it's in the same iPhone, a different section of the notes. Well, what was the point of your old list anecdote? Oh, well, I'll draw from it in future. It's a bit of a backup list. Okay.

It's not a particularly good list because I've come so far with refining my ideas. Says the guy who has to walk across the room to look at a phone every time he wants to tell me an idea. I did not have to walk across the room. I leaned back in my office chair on a precarious angle. Okay. All right. Here's my idea. It's called Did Someone Remember? And what it is, it's my idea. All right. It's called Did Someone Remember? And what it is, it's an idea where people discuss an important moment in history that may have been overlooked. And actually not a moment, a very important task that I don't know the answer to, but someone needs to have looked into it, and I'm hoping someone did. but someone needs to have looked into it and I'm hoping someone did.

So the idea that I actually wrote down was did someone remember to interview Jack Ruby, right? So Jack Ruby, as I know you know but I'll explain to everyone else, so when JFK was shot, right, and the person arrested soon afterwards was Lee Harvey Oswald and then as he was being brought into custody or brought into court or wherever he was being brought, he was shot by Jack Ruby, right? He was, yeah. And I know a little bit of this because I know about, I've read a little bit and I've watched movies and I'm vaguely and generally aware of general knowledge. But I don't know a lot about it. I've not sat down and run, read, you know, the Warren report into what happened. But I was just thinking the other day when I was reminded of JFK, I was thinking, you know what?

Someone should interview Jack Ruby. Like, what's he got to say about this? He killed Lee Harvey Oswald. Yeah. Like, why? Why is this still a mystery? Why did- So, my idea is to go back and say, hang on-

Because he wouldn't tell. Did someone- Did someone remember to interview Jack Ruby? Like, what if they never got around to it? It's just, it's one of those things where, did someone do that? You can just imagine the FBI going, and this is still a mystery, this whole thing. And someone say, did we remember to interview Jack Ruby? It's like, I thought you did.

Hang on, he's a really key person. So my idea is like discussing and relating about going back and saying, do we remember to do that? Because that would seem to have some crucial information that would, in my mind, bring all this together. Okay. Well, I'm not sure I really like, I mean, I'm not sure what to say. Of course he was interviewed.

It was a really big deal. So where's Jack Ruby now? Is he dead? Is he in jail? Oh, yeah. He died not long. I think he was already quite sick. He died in 1967.

When was JFK shot? 63. So four years after he killed Lee Harvey Oswald. So why did he do it? Well, it's never really been explained. I mean, I think what, I think like, I think the party line was maybe, you know, an anger that he, at what Lee Harvey Oswald had done. And then you've got your conspiracy theorists that say it was all part of the cover up. And I think, and I think the conspiracy theory is probably because he was like sick or going

to die soon that he was a good person to be the hit man because he had less to lose and was, you know, willing to do it. See, I don't, your, your answers indicating to me, I don't think we've looked at this closely enough. Like... Right. So, your idea for podcast is to talk about things that should... What's it called again? Okay.

Did we remember... I can tell you're not loving this. This is... I don't understand it give me one other example oh are you serious yeah i've got to come up with another example my idea yeah you need a second you need a second episode tell me the title of the podcast again that'll help me hang on what's the title again did someone remember to did someone to? I was watching it the other day. It is a tongue-in-cheek sort of idea. I'm with you.

But, like, did someone remember to? Did someone remember to interview Jack Gravy? Like, did someone check and look for the iceberg that the Titanic hit? That's right. Did someone look into that? That's right. There are pictures that claim to be of the iceberg that the Titanic hit. Oh, that's a bit difficult to prove, though, isn't it, really?

But, like, I was watching, it came to me watching Apollo 11, right, which is that brilliant doco recently on the moon landing, and the first one. And I was so amazed by it. Like, I was really, really, really enjoyed it and quite moved by it. And obviously, the great speech by JFK is in there. I can't remember if it's at the beginning or the end, you know, the lovely quote from him about what might be possible. And so, that got me thinking.

But the moon is one thing as well. Like, you know how there's a lot of people that talk about an enormous amount of conspiracy about the fact that we never actually went to the moon? You know, and did someone look into that? Like, as people... It's like you're choosing, like, the most famous events in history that have been raked over, like, more than anything else possible and making that your pivot point for did someone look into this? Like...

Like... Like, shouldn't you be choosing, like, obscure things? Or, like, did any... Hang on. I'm going back to the old list. Hang on. Hang on. I'm trying.

You seem so enthused by this idea. I feel like I'm missing it. Okay. So, it's... So, you want to pick famous moments in history, but pick some little part of it and like think, oh, did someone remember to? No, I don't want to do that. Pack underwear for Neil Armstrong. No, that would be, I don't want it to be, that would be actually serious.

Like that would be an actually interesting podcast. idea was one which explored with some mirth the idea that something bleedingly obvious that people may not know about needs to have been looked at like so the question so i actually thought about calling the whole thing did someone remember to talk to jack ruby because he just seems like such a pivotal character and yet it's the one part of the story that's never ever talked about it's never talked about in documentaries it's never covered in film it's just like oh right okay so jack ruby did it uh he killed him so we don't know if lee harvey oswald really did kill jfk and it's like well do we remember to to ask jack ruby about that and that to me seems like an amusing idea so it's more about filling in gaps in your personal knowledge of history.

It should be called, did someone remember to tell Tim? Yeah, yeah. Did someone remember to explain why World War One happened? Because I'm not entirely clear on it. All right, what have you got someone remember to explain to tim how this podcast works because did someone remember to tell tim that he's supposed to put the bins out on tuesday night I fear that your little relative has So far has the best idea on this episode Did someone remember how to do long division?

Yeah, well, it's I mean, you can That is an idea for a podcast You just fill someone in You could choose a person And then just go through Analyzing everything they know and they don't know A good. I mean, I'm not saying everyone should know about Jack Ruby, by the way. I mean, I'm sure most people don't even know who Jack Ruby is. Yeah. But in,

so I'm making a bit of a joke at your expense, but in general terms, it would be a good idea to do a podcast about things like that you, that you feel like you should know about, like admitting you don't know about something and say, look, I need someone to explain this to me because although I should know, don't. And it's a bit embarrassing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think all of us are like that in some area. There's no question. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. There's no question. Apart from you and I, obviously. All right. Well, maybe it's me. Maybe that's a fantastic idea. And everyone in the subreddit is going to say, Tim's a visionary. Brady, you're an idiot.

That's the best podcast idea you guys have ever had. Well, I'll obviously say that, but. Make it so. Make it so. Let's talk about Hover. Oh, yeah. They're the sponsor of today's episode. Hover is the place to go to register domain names for websites,

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Oh. Jack, a whole variety of them, actually. Jackruby.app. People have a Jack Ruby app that explains Jack Ruby's place in the whole JFK assassination. What a great idea. Story. This is that, jump on it, grab on it straight away. Jackruby.art. story this is that you jump on it grab on it straight away jack ruby dot art um there is a

whole bunch of that um modern art that pastiche that famous photo of him of shooting that is adapted into different photos have you ever seen those where they're it kind of looks like one of the officers is playing piano and another one's off in a different angle they they sort it's one become one of those mean um famous photographs that's adapted and meddled with because it's iconic. JackRuby.news, JackRuby.tv, JackRuby.video. They're all here. JackRuby.website. Why would you put the word website in the name of your website?

A website. What about JackRuby.yoga for like your new business idea where people just gather and do yoga while talking about possible motives for Jack Ruby shooting Lee Harvey Oswald? You never know what you might need a website for. So, I would buy that just to be safe. Jackrubyinterview.com is available. So, if someone out there knows that he was interviewed and wants to put it up, that would be the ideal website to put it on. That would be a good one.

It's so funny. You go through this with Hover and there's so many. I actually feel like I'm tempted to buy them, even though that's ridiculous. I don't need a whole bunch of domain names related to Jack Ruby. They're all there. They're all here. No. But there might be another project you're working on

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it's really easy to divert that domain to say your Twitter or your Facebook or YouTube channel or whatever. So they don't just have to sit there completely dormant as well. They still can be useful while they're in their kind of holding pattern phase the website's really easy to use hover.com use slash unmade so they know you came from here but not just so they know you came from here which does us good but it also gets you that that 10 discount on your first purchase thanks hover thanks hover you're gonna buy one of those jack rubies doing it right now it's such an interesting if you buy jack ruby dot yoga you're gonna have to do some you're gonna have some explaining to do when you get home all right so i've had an idea good and and mine's mine's mine is my idea is about to make yours look good

Can I just say, tonight's episode is really crap so far It's alright, you've got to have one occasionally That way we can have a constant gradient in the new year of getting better and better every episode Do you know what the problem with your idea was? And this is often the problem with your ideas Yeah That way we can have like a constant gradient in the new year of getting better and better every episode. Yeah. Do you know what the problem with your idea was? And this is often the problem with your ideas. Yeah. You give your ideas crap titles.

Yeah. Yeah. You overthink the title. Yeah. And then you spend the rest of the time like clawing back what is generally a good idea, but having to sort of explain it and re-explain it because of the red herring of your stupid title. Yeah, yeah. Because I feel like I give very little thought to the title,

and the title doesn't really matter, but then I often lead with the title. But it's the first thing you say, yeah. Like a couple of episodes ago, you had that really good idea of a podcast with the Queen, but you called it like the queen isn't dead or some stupid name that like was ridiculous. So you spend the first two or three minutes like having to unpick all the stupid ideas you've put into my head and the head of the listener. Like, so you could have the world's best idea, but if you give it some stupid name, you're

putting, it's like you're starting a hundred metres sprint race, 20 metres behind the start line. Hang on. You just rephrase that. I do have the best ideas in the world. And some of the titles don't live up to the quality of the ideas. I would say all of the titles don't live up to the quality of the idea. So, I've got an idea, which is an idea that I've had, but also an idea that lots of listeners have had and people have contributed. And I've

never really talked about it on the show before because I've never really been happy with it as an idea that I thought would work or would be fun to make, but I finally thought of a way to make it that I would find fun. So, this podcast I'm going to call a message from our sponsor. And obviously, people who listen to podcasts are familiar with sponsorship messages. They've just listened to us do one for Hover. So, the idea of this podcast is a podcast episode that is just entirely sponsorship messages from start to finish. There's no actual content. entirely sponsorship messages from start to finish. There's no actual content. It's just ads, right? Yeah. So, you're probably thinking, well, maybe that's not the best idea. Some people don't like ads in podcasts. Some people skip them. Why would you want a podcast of all ads?

Who would want to buy these ads, et cetera, et cetera. These are all valid complaints. So, my idea is to do a podcast, which from start to finish is ads but made up ads oh okay yeah right for products that are ridiculous or not real or another way you could do it would be you could get like a you know a yellow pages or a newspaper full of ads and look at all the companies and just improvise ads for them on the spot. Yeah. Like, so, today's- It's a good idea.

Today's episode has been brought to you by, you know, Phil's Lawn Mowing Services in Yatton. Tim, tell us a bit about why people should consider it and, like, and then you just, like, have fun with the ads. This is good. Yeah. Yeah. So, I think, like, I think you and I would enjoy doing this. We would enjoy just like advertising ridiculous products and being advocates for them. So, it's a bit like a TV infomercial.

I guess in some ways it's not a million miles from some of the Tommyball stuff we've done where you just have to make stuff up on the spot. But this would be making up stuff for at for advertising products and trying to convince your viewers to give a product a try which either you don't which is a ridiculous product or you don't know anything about it or not it is a sincere and good product but is just you know in a country town somewhere or irrelevant to our circumstance or something like that. Yeah.

Like, I'm sure Phil's Lawnmowers is a really good company. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, like, so that would be one. That's my idea. Ads. A message from our sponsor. See, I think it's a good idea. It's a terrible title.

You come up with some of the worst titles. Can I just say a message from our sponsor? A message from our sponsor is an excellent title and you know it. Well, yes, fair enough. Fair enough. The pressure to think of something else. What would Tim call this sponsor? What would, in your opinion, what would I, if I'd had this idea, what would I have called it?

I would have called it. Oh, yeah. You would have called idea, what would I have called it? Oh, yeah. You would have called it... What would you have called it? I would have just called it Phil's Lawnmowers and then built from there. Yeah, that's right. Five minutes in, I'm still explaining who Phil is. Who's Phil? Yeah.

You would have called it,, yeah, automatic for the people or something because one time you had the idea while you were listening to some R.E.M. songs. Oh, God, here we go. That's a great connection. A message from our sponsor. That's cool. We could give it a go. Well, how do we get some sponsorship?

If we go maybe Googling something, an ad will pop up. What do you reckon? Yeah, all right. How are we going to – where do I even find? How do I find like a bunch of ads? How do you find advertising these days? It's just – I don't know.

I don't know. I'm on the internet. There's hardly any ads on there. Let me Google the word advert. I just want to find a page of yellow pages. Okay, Tim. Yeah. Here's a message from our sponsor.

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Tell us a bit about why you prefer to go to Camden Garden Centre Well, in this past Christmas season We decided to get a real tree, a real spruce And so we went down to Camden Garden Centre And looked at their, whatever the plural of spruces is Spruce eye, I believe Spruce eyes Sprice of spruces is spruce eye i believe spruce sprice and i mean and there's no bigger there's no bigger

endorsement for what a great garden center they have at camden and london than the fact tim went all the way from adelaide to london to get his christmas tree from the camden garden center i just love London at Christmas. Shopping for trees. Were you able to take that back as carry-on or did you have to? Yeah, we just tied it to the top of the plane and it just... A couple of

big ocky straps are wrapped around it. It was fine. It was fine. Tied it to the top of the plane. You've got to put the trunk first though. You don't put it forwards. It was fine. Tied it to the top of the plane. You've got to put the trunk first, though. You don't put it forwards. It's got to go backwards. Otherwise, the air just blows the spruce up and you never get back into shape.

No, it's very tough, especially going at, yeah, like 700 miles an hour. Like, that can really take its toll on a Christmas tree. I tell you, some of my favourite things about the Camden Garden Centre, though, is they have free parking. Oh, yes. No, that's great. That's important, free parking. Free parking, like not a lot of garden centres have that.

Like most of the garden centres I know rob you blind on parking, but not the Camden Garden Centre. Free parking. I've heard you complain about that many times. I know, I know. They have a children's play area. Yes. Which is great.

The kiddies can get out like all the different kind of types of clippers and shears and saws and things like that and play their little hearts out. Rose pruning area for the kids, yes. And they have an excellent delivery service as well. I don't know what they charge for their delivery service. They haven't made that entirely clear to me, but they do have a delivery service. And we recommend it. Yeah.

They're open from 9 till 5.30, Mondays to Saturday. Sunday and bank holidays, they're open from 11 till 5. So, they like, they skive off for a couple of hours on a Sunday morning. But, you know, that's all right. You've got to rest sometime. Can I clarify something? Yeah. This is something that everyone else in the world probably gets.

There's like a bank holiday is UK language for, it's a public holiday. Is that right? Yes. That's what they call. That's right. Yeah. It's just because the bank's shut and that's just become the colloquial yeah that's just yeah that's just the tradition yeah all right cool yeah i've always wondered that i remember when i was um like you know in australia

and i used to look at diaries and hear about bank holidays in england when i was young i used to think like to just banks have the day off like why is is that important enough to go in everyone's diaries? And why do people who work for banks get so many holidays compared to the rest of the population? That's right, yes. What about those poor people at the post office? That's right. Yeah.

I remember reading them in Adrian Mole's diaries, the secret diary of Adrian Mole, and they'd have on a certain day bank holiday. That's where I saw them first. Legendary book. Yeah. Theyary book. Yeah. They're open. The Camden Garden Centre is open late on Wednesdays and Thursdays until 7pm.

Oh, that's helpful. So, yeah. Yeah. Because Wednesdays and Thursdays, that's when I'm really in the mood for a bit of late night plant shopping. Well, it's 7pm. It's not that late night. But it's... Well people for a green thumb it is i wish they did it more often the number of times it's been a tuesday and it's just clicked

around to about 6 30 and i thought oh could do a nice could do with a nice little perennial right now and then like you can't it's not open, but on Wednesdays and Thursdays, Camden Garden Centre at 2 Barker Drive, they've got your backs. Now, I've just gone to their website because I want more information, and if you want more information, you can go to camdengardencentre.co.uk. Use the offer code JACKRUBY to get 20% off your first. 20% off your first. Call them up, email them and mention Jack Ruby and you will get 20% off. See, Tim, you've been cheating.

I've been doing all this improvisation based just off a Yellow Pages ad with no information. The website has just like- It's a vista. An orgy of- It's a garden of information, man. They've got a cafe, Tim. Oh, there we go.

See? That'll get them in. £2.75 is going to get you sourdough toast and butter with honey jam or marmalade. Although you do have to pay an extra 75p for marmalade. But if you use the offer code JACKRUBY and tell them Tim and Brady sent you, you actually will get that marmalade for 65p. It says here they won the Garden Retail Awards in 2012 and 2006 and 2002. Did you have to read that?

Did you just not know that already? Well, I was just checking the dates. But it is 2002. But those other years, geez geez they deserved it though as well they came very close and were very unlucky to have missed out it was it was actually a technicality that cost them the year before because apparently toby who was supposed to put the entry form in put it in two days late and they they weren't actually eligible for um but just because they didn't put it on the wrong day or they would have won it so apparently they're um i'm just looking up

if toby yes toby is a real person yeah i got it from toby and toby and jason's top tips section on the website that's great toby's 10-year garden center slash nursery experience has given him a wealth of knowledge of all kinds of plants, both outdoor and indoors. He and his team, he's got a whole Toby's team, some of which are pictured here, will be happy to advise you to create an inspirational green space. Probably Toby, along with Elaine, the cafe manager, are my two favourite people at the Camden Garden Centre. I'm more of a Peter or a Cara man myself. Yeah, Cara's nice. Ray, the administration supervisor, though, like, he's nice.

And his assistant, Sharon, who provides back office support for the sales floor team, is also nice. But Ray's just, you know, I prefer the people out at the green face, you know, doing the actual... The green face. Doing the people out at the green face, you know, doing the actual. The green face. Doing the work out there. You can tell Ray keeps a very, very sharp eye on the books, can't you? You can see.

He does. He said, I'll only look up briefly to pose for this photo for the website because I've got to get back to the books. That's right. Peter's kind of the godfather of the whole operation i think he's been in the garden center industry for over 30 years he's the managing director for those who don't know if there are any people who don't know obviously that's right well people would i mean people probably follow him on twitter but um he's uh he's right across it he's a guy you can trust

and he's obviously pulled the whole team together. He would have headhunted Toby, Elaine, Jason from the other sort of garden centres nearby and brought them to Camden. Yeah. I think he brought him over from the Fulham Palace Garden Centre. Wow. Is that a fact? Do you know that? Is that a rumour or have you heard that?

I don't know. They're just the yellowages ad underneath Camden, so I'm just going with that. Oh, they're underneath. Of course, Fulham Palace Garden Centre accepts credit cards, so they've always had that going for them. Aren't they innovative? That's a cool thing to put in your ad.

It's like saying we accept money. Since 1974 or something, is that right? Yeah. It's like we accept money. Since 1974 or something. Is that right? Yeah. I went to Camden deliberately once just to go to the garden centre,

but also just to go to the Good Mixer pub. I literally went to Camden just to go to a pub because that's where the guys from like Blur and Pulp used to hang out. In a particular pub, it's legendary for Britpop music. They'd go there there get hammered and then if it was a thursday night they'd go for the late night shopping at the camden garden center absolutely it was just it was a total crawl from the it was the good mix that is a skin full of beer skin full of beer and then get themselves a few hanging plants it'd be great to go to camden garden center and just ask who they've seen from, you know, like Blur and Oasis just coming through, you know, lately.

Yeah. Who's the most famous person you've sold a terracotta pot to? That's right. That's right. Yeah, yeah. I love going to garden centres. Do you like garden centres? I do if they have a cafe, basically.

They need to have, to get Tim in, they need a garden centre that has a KFC. And a bookshop and a record store. Yeah. And no plants. I don't mind it. My better half loves these and walks around for ages and really enjoys them. And I enjoy them too.

If there's a cafe, I can have a coffee while she walks around. I don't really think that counts but all right well lucky for you anyway camden garden center does have a cafe it's got everything they have their save as you buy a garden card reward scheme which really makes it worth your while yep so if you want to check them out uh you can you can phone them uh on on the phone number which i won't read out because in case people actually do start phoning them. You can go to camdengardencentre.co.uk. You can sign up there for their email newsletters

for all the latest information. And remember to uncheck out to use that offer code JACKRUBY for 95% off all cafe purchases and 10p off marmalade. Jack Ruby would be a lovely name for a flower, I think. It would. People saying, what's that? You go, that's a Jack Ruby. Oh, they're quite rare.

That's lovely. You don't often see them out in January. No. Yeah. It's climate change. All the Jack Rubies are coming out early. All the Jack Rubies are coming out early. There's an Alexander Rose, so why wouldn't there be a Jack Ruby?

Would you like to have a flower named after you? I guess you'd want a tulip, wouldn't you? Yeah, I love tulips. I like the idea. Yeah, it would be a lovely honour. I'm not particularly passionate about flowers um right but but you wouldn't like turn it down if some like horticulture society came up to you and said we found this new plant we want to name it after you you'd like you'd say

yeah go ahead oh i would i would i'd be a bit self-conscious. I'd say, look, I'm sure there's someone else far more fitting to name it after who's really bad. I love how seriously you're taking this role play. Like you're already practising your humble moment. Like are you actually offering now, Brady? Are you some delegation sent from the Adelaide Botanic Gardens to come speak to me about it? That's right.

Look, look, look. I know it's a great honour. I'm glad you think of me, but I'm sure there are other podcast hosts more worthy. A Brady is a lovely name for a flower. A Brady. Do you think? Yeah, yeah.

Maybe a small shrub, perhaps. Really? A small shrub. It's like, what are you going to do along the path? And we say, oh, we might get, we're going to get Brady's along here. Just a lovely row of shrubs of Brady's. Oh, yeah. What, just in front of that row of Jack Ruby's?

That's right. That's right. Oh, they've come out already. Look at that. Nice. Very nice. I don't think Brady's a good name for a flower. I'm lining.

I either want, if something's going to be named after me, and this is if you're listening, people, I'm thinking I'd take an asteroid. I don't think I'm going to get a crater on the moon, but I'd take an asteroid or like a dinosaur bone or something, like a dinosaur. That'd be pretty cool. They're not going to rename a dinosaur species or something, like a dinosaur. That'd be pretty cool. They're not going to rename a dinosaur species, you know, like after you.

No, I'm not asking them to rename one. Just name a new one when they find it. Yeah, like a bradysaurus. So I know we've been calling them pterodactyls up till now. From now on, they'll be called bradys. Yeah. Oh, I would hope for like a tyrannosaurus Rex or a Velociraptor so I could kind of surf that Jurassic Park wave.

Tyrannosaurus Brady. It's going to be, yeah. I'll take what I can get. Message from our sponsor. Oh, that's a good idea. I think that's a good fun idea, actually. Yeah, because you could also start making a challenge of it, like, you know, selling impossible products, you know.

Imagine doing a podcast ad for rat poison. Yeah, that gets a bit hard. We just did a good 20 minutes on the Camden Garden Centre, so I don't think anything's off the table. Well, we did 20 minutes. I don't know if it's a good 20 minutes, but we'll see how it goes. I didn't mean good as in, like, as in well done. I meant, you know, oh, that was a good,

I reckon that's a good 20 miles to that mountain over there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. More that kind of good. Well, I think compared to my idea, it was a pretty good 20 minutes actually. Hopefully you edit my idea down to a bit less than a bad 20 minutes. Yeah, people, if you're wondering what Tim's idea was, it's that blank space I put near the start of the year.

A big long beep. Beep. Oh, dear. Oh, dear, oh, dear. Well, let's see if we can be saved by a patron at the end. Oh, dear. Oh, dear, oh, dear. Well, let's see if we can be saved by a patron at the end. All right. I feel almost guilty even mentioning the fact we have a Patreon after the debacle of Tim's idea earlier.

But if you do want to support the show anyway. All right, you have to be quick because my thing's beeping in my ear. It's done that first little tearing. Oh, your pet phone's running out. Yeah, but it's all right it's it's like a 20 or whatever it comes you know you get a couple of sounds before it turns off i'm working with an amateur here we go very quickly if you support us on patreon patreon.com slash unmade fm and sometimes patrons are able to send us in ideas today we've got an idea from greg who

is a university lecturer. Tim, I'm sure you can guess where Greg is from. Canada. Yep. As always, for some reason, we get so many ideas from Canada. He's from Vancouver. He says he usually listens on the bus to work. This often presents a problem because I find Tim's laugh infectious and sometimes find myself working very hard to suppress a giggle. Tim, stop it.

Sorry. You're going to set Greg off again. You're on. He says, in Vancouver, we have a great variety of restaurants from around the world, authentic cuisine. I actually recently went to Vancouver. I can't comment on the restaurants, but you have a lot of little craft breweries there.

Yep. But he says they have a lot of restaurants, authentic cuisine from many regions and styles of food that aren't common to the Western palate. I know a lot of people who are intimidated when it comes to trying them. If you don't know what the dishes on the menu are or how they're eaten, it can be very hard to walk through the door. So Greg says, I'd like to have a podcast where I try some of these places. It would be a chance to talk about the cuisine, what some of the famous dishes are, what might be good to order. Over dinner, we can talk about how the food is eaten and what it's like. I think it would be most

interesting to do this with a guest who is from the place and knows the food. We could also talk about the culture and geography that led to the cuisine, what ingredients are native to the area and which were available because of some ancient trade route. Why is the food different to the next country or province? I like to imagine this could push listeners out of their comfort zone There we go. I think Greg's basically just lining himself up for a bunch of free meals around Vancouver. Yeah, well played, Greg. That's great. Yeah.

So there you go. That's Greg's idea. Would you listen to his show, Tim? Look, I. That's great. Yeah. So there you go. That's Greg's idea. Would you listen to his show, Tim? Look, I think it's a good idea. I think it is a good idea. No, you're not answering my question there. What's that? Would you listen to the show?

I would in certain places and in certain circumstances. When he does his Vancouver KFCs. When he does Vancouver KFCs I wonder how many KFCs there are in Vancouver That's right That would be a funny podcast Just evaluating each and every one of them around the world That would be Every KFC

Yeah, well they do vary Anyway, we won't go into that now How do they vary? I'm not going to They just vary I can see six KFCs in central vancouver on my map here wow so it'd be good to rate them i obviously greg's a more refined character than than i am in regards his palate but i like the idea somewhere along the line you do move um i guess

when you're young from from food being about quantity to quality. You know what I mean? You move from, oh, wow, I want as much as I can get, a big steak to being, I want a really nice steak. And when that change happens for Tim and I, we'll let you all know about it. That's right. So preparing ahead for this.

But you're becoming a bit more interesting interested in okay so what'll go with this meal and and what wine will be nice to know and how does it connect to the local area i can see why people would find that really fascinating i find it fascinating sometimes in particular areas but i wouldn't generally listen to a podcast with lots of it everywhere what about you what do you think of this idea would you listen to this idea well i don't think i would listen to a guy talking about food in like you know restaurants in vancouver because i feel like it hasn't got a lot of relevance to me uh i probably wouldn't i'm not enough of a foodie unless greg like does it really really well and as he is a supporter of the unmade podcast he probably would do it very, very well, being a good paid-up civilian.

That's right. That's right. I'm not a real foodie. I'm certainly not a real foodie either. But I know loads of people are. Lots of friends are, and they're forever posting things about it. Or they're just recommending good places, which is really – a foodie's always helpful when you're wanting a recommendation on somewhere,

but when you're not, they're just talking about food. It's I find a little bit time tiresome. So there you go, Greg, Tim thinks your idea is tiresome. What do you ever post pictures of food on social media? I don't think I ever have. I don't think I ever have. I don't think I ever have. Have you? Oh, I'm sure I have. Yeah. Like when it's like somewhere really posh and I'm bragging that look at this amazing place I'm eating. I've had a photo in a restaurant, like,

hey, we're here having dinner or something like that. Yeah. But not just your dish, your food. No, I don't think I've ever taken. That diminishes it somehow in my mind, I would imagine. It's like I'm here having a lovely experience and then I'm going to objectify it or take a photo of it. Surely you sit at the table with like, you know, dozens of people all taking pictures of their food. That's just standard these days. Oh, I see it happening. I just don't like to participate in it. Taking a photo of something seems to it you lose the moment somehow it becomes suddenly you're looking down on yourself having the meal

rather than actually being in the moment it takes away its soul that's it does it does it feels like it does a bit you know where you just i'm loving the conversation and i'm loving the wine and i'm loving the meal or i'm about to love the meal. Yeah. This is interesting. To take a photo suddenly invites all these other people who I haven't invited to dinner. Like, I've not invited everyone to dinner. Fair enough. I hear you.

I hear you. It may mean that I'm less interested in the food than in the experience of being with the people and stuff. And people who genuinely know about the food and are interested in it would take a photo of it. Like, they, you know what I mean? They, oh, look at how they've done this. And I'm just ignorant of all that. So, I'm just.

Before we go, tell me about tote bags. Because I saw you on Twitter talking about tote bags this week. Yeah. What have you, what's wrong with tote bags? Well, they seem pointless. But, and I don't mean pointless, like they're a bag so you can use them. And I can even think of a good reason to use them, I guess, which is to stop using plastic shopping bags. I'm sure people can take them shopping. Although they do seem, they don't seem to be designed for that.

They don't seem to be designed for that. They seem a bit stiff and people seem to want them one by one, not as like, oh, here's, you know, like we take our bags shopping and, you know, you get... It's a tote bag for shopping? What is a tote? I looked up tote after we were talking about this and it's actually about the etymology of it, of a certain kind of bag.

Where is it? I've forgotten it now. But a tote is like a carry bag, often used to carry items, blah, blah, blah. So it refers to the design, because I know my wife likes tote bags as handbags, but we're talking about those crappy cloth ones that everyone does as merch.

Well, that's the thing that annoys me about them, is that they seem to be- A large, often unfastened bag with parallel handles that emerges on both sides of the pouch. does as merch well that's the thing that annoys me about them is that they seem large often unfastened bag with parallel handles that emerges on both sides of the pouch the word tote is probably african in origin and came into english via gula totes are often used as reusable shopping bags but people offer them all the time like they say oh if you get this now you'll get a free tote like like oh new books coming out you'll get a free tote or if you buy a ticket to this you'll get a free tote like like oh new books coming out and you'll get a free tote or if you buy a ticket to this you'll get a free tote i'm like what that's not an incentive you're it's

almost like they're in using it as bait and i'm saying you're using the wrong bait like that's that's just another yeah how many i've got so many tote bags at conferences and things i've gone to that just because they they seem just too valuable to throw away but they're nowhere near good enough to actually use so they just like accumulate yeah yeah that's right yeah it's not like I want to keep this because it's special because it's not special it's not even like you go to a concert and they sell tote bags and it's like why would I want that a t-shirt sure you can wear a t-shirt or whatever. I did that for years and years. But a tote bag, it's like, I'm going to carry that bag around. Where am I going to store that?

And I've got a bag. I put stuff in a bag like a backpack. So, a backpack I want to use. And if I'm going, you know what I mean? Like, why? So, they seem a bizarre, pointless invention that people seem to think are like great prizes. And I don't think they're great prizes and i don't think they're great prizes who is buying tote bags who's doing who's buying them they get given away a lot

but are people buying them i'm gonna put it to the test man yep the new unmade podcast tote bag will be available link link in the show notes and it will be on our teespring if you would like the unmade podcast tote bag i bet you end up buying it too now oh well i think if someone wants a tote bag they should definitely buy our tote bag the thing that i'm against now you're selling a tote bag you just made that transition i'm not giving it away as a bonus or if you buy now you'll get a free tote bag and i'm like that's not that's annoying that's so we're definitely not giving it as a bonus to people because that's the bit that i'm annoyed by maybe that's what it could say the tote bag could say i actually paid money for this tote

bag that's right this is so that's right genuine it's not just a knock off No This was not a free tote bag This was not a free tote bag That's a great That needs to be made Precisely clear Absolutely clear This is A free

It's I don't like free tote bags You want a tote bag You buy something Great Fantastic Do you ever use a tote bag Do you have any tote bags

Do you ever use them Do you use them you have any tote bags? Do you ever use them? Do you use them for your shopping? No, we don't, except there's a particular place we go for fruit and veg, and they give us tote bags. But we often go back with the same one, you know, to get it next time. But the only ones I ever see are in the sort of, you know, little drawer where there's lots of reusable bags and things like that, and that's the only one I ever see are in the sort of, you know, little drawer where there's lots of reusable bags and things like that. And that's the only one I see there.

I've never purchased or received one, like, with something printed on it related to an interest in another area of my life. You know, like. Right. There's no rock star or anything like that. So, you haven't got, like, a Nick Cave tote bag or something. I've just lost my earpiece. Tim lost his earpiece. That's perfect timing because I think we've finished the episode.

New Year's resolution, Tim, is to figure out your headphone situation.