The Unmade Podcast - 40: A Half-Baked Episode

Episode Date: March 20, 2020

Tim and Brady discuss laundry habits, Vegemite, Tom Hanks movies, songs in films, and an abrupt ending. Hover - register your domain now and get 10% off by going to hover.com/unmade - promo code UNMADE at checkout - https://www.hover.com/Unmade Support us on Patreon if you like? - https://www.patreon.com/unmadeFM Join the discussion of this episode on our subreddit - https://redd.it/flwzvh USEFUL LINKS Australian two dollar coin - https://www.ramint.gov.au/two-dollars Tom Hanks Vegemite Instagram post of Vegemite - https://www.instagram.com/p/B9vzgNkpP4C/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link A Crumpet - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crumpet Tom Hanks movies - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tom_Hanks_performances Eye of the Tiger - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btPJPFnesV4 Best Song at the Oscars - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award_for_Best_Original_Song

Your sag, Eric Hamron, par maxi, Lindenhagen, I dug. First thing I have to do is get my clock out of the room. Hang on a sec. I've just seen that. Oh, so there's no ticking. Just take the battery out. It's a really loud one. It seems the cheaper the clock, the louder the ticking.

Well, you think it should be the other way around. Like, I paid a lot of money for this clock. I should get really loud ticks. It's not. It should be the other way around Like I paid a lot of money for this clock I should get really loud ticks It should be more understated though It's really like tick, tick, tick Just reminding you as every second of your life ebbs away That's right You paid too little for this clock

It's like bang It should just go $2.99, $2.99, $2.99. That's right. That's right. Yes. So, Tim and I have decided because to do a special half-baked idea episode because we feel like most of our ideas aren't quite there. So, we're going to like just throw a few of them out there and see if we can like, you know, workshop them together. That's right.

Well, there could be some gold in each other and see if we can like, you know, workshop them together. That's right. Well, there could be some gold in each other's list that we can't see. Yeah. Although you've got quite a job ahead of you looking down my list. Really? There's several here that I have looked at that have come to me at random moments where I've stopped everything, gone to my phone and put it on my notes. And I'm now looking at it going, where did I find the enthusiasm for that idea?

Like, why is this idea written? What do you mean by you stopped everything? It was like during a sermon or something? No, no. One time in particular, I was in the laundry, doing something in the laundry, and I put down what I was doing, washed my hands, went and found my phone and wrote it down and then went back. I can't remember what I was doing, polishing my shoes or something.

I don't know. But it was that good an idea. And I'm looking at it now. I can't even remember which of the ideas. It must have been one of the more recent ones down the bottom. So you put your newest ideas at the bottom of the list, not the top of the list. Yeah. Yeah.

I scroll to the bottom of the list and type them in. Oh, right. Yeah. Because I have an app where you just put new things of the list. Yeah, yeah. I scroll to the bottom of the list and type them in. Oh, right, yeah, because I have an app where you just put new things at the top, so, yeah. Okay. Like if you're writing a novel, do you just start at the top and then every word replaces the one beforehand, pushing the start of the novel to the bottom of the page? Is that how you do it?

Maybe that's how Memento got written. Like the guy just didn't know how to use a word processor. That's right. That's right that's right there are those very clever novels aren't they that you can read forwards and backwards was it one nominated for the booker recently well one of my ideas for the unmade podcast was a was a podcast that was a palindrome from beginning to end remember oh indeed yes that's right yeah yeah you didn't win the booker prize for that did you it was no i obviously not considering my

co-host can't even remember it no that's right all right who's gonna who's gonna deliver up the first half-baked idea all right i'll go first seeing i feel like i have the most and if you if you hear this if this idea is so half-baked that you're like i'm not well eating that because it's to carry the metaphor a little bit i'm not well eating that because it's to carry the metaphor a little bit i'm not even touching that then uh you just say yep acknowledged pass and i'll just move to the next one okay so that's okay likewise with my likewise you're right acknowledged acknowledged that'll just save people skipping forward you know when they're listing data on so okay the first one is just called I always do that.

And this is the one that came to me in the laundry. I know what I was doing now because I was pulling my jeans out of the washing machine and discovering yet again that I'd left tissues in the pockets. And I said, I always do this. And I honestly, I did it yesterday again. And I wrote this a couple of weeks ago. I always do this. And I honestly, I did it yesterday again. And I wrote this a couple of weeks ago. I always do that. Yeah.

A, do you do that? And B, do you want to talk about this? Or is it you just want to acknowledge it? I do sometimes leave things in my pocket. Yeah. In the wash. Yeah. The thing I have a lot of those with are typos, like common typos, like tay instead of the

and thanax instead of thanks. Yeah. Things like that. Like there are certain typos I tay instead of the and thanax instead of thanks. Yeah. Things like that. Like there are certain typos I do every single time. You'd think, well, how many times do I have to make that typo before I unlearn doing that? But yeah, I mean, I have a million things like that. You should probably be interviewing my wife for that podcast. Well, that's true.

Brady always does that. It's hard to self-reflect, isn't it? But yes, your partner is a good person to identify these things. When it comes to the jeans, I'm putting them in and I always think to myself, I'll just throw them in. And then I stop. No, no, there will be a tissue there. So, you check and it's a hassle, right?

So, you check the first pocket at the front. You check the second pocket at the front. And then you go, surely there wouldn't be a tissue at the back. It's, you know, it's like a slim pocket back there so i won't worry about sure enough i won't even look that's right it's it's almost more cognitive load to not check to think about it and not check but still you do it i'm still trying to shave those seconds out of my life of the task it's almost like you're playing chicken with the washing machine. We're like, yeah, Russian roulette.

It is Russian roulette. Instead of barrels and... It's Russian roulette. I can see a James Bond film climaxing with a moment where there's like Dr. Evil and a massive washing machine. James Bond and his washing saying all right are you gonna put it in do you expect me to talk no mr bond i expect you to get tissue all over your jeans that's right he'd be like what that's almost more annoying that would be frustrating are these your fabergé jeans

that you're putting in no those are long gone they're long gone you're slim fit fabergé there are a couple of jeans that are for some reason turned very slim fit like when i put them on now but they they sort of they wear in during the day i can tell you that reason tim it's called kfc that's right but it's it but these jeans like all the others are fitting fine but these ones have they've shrunk somewhere but what they do is they only shrink early oh they've shrunk have they they've shrunk okay but what i find is i know like around about lunchtime i go oh no these are okay that that this is fine and so next time i have to remember going oh these are tight these things have quote unquote shrunk again but then i go oh no they'll be fine like by the middle of the day, they wear in or they stretch.

It's like that with underwear or socks with holes in it. And you're like, well, I'll wear it just this one last time and then I'll throw them away. We do push our clothes to the very limit. I've got a couple of questions about your jeans situation. By the way, I think this is a perfectly good idea. I don't think this is half baked. This is like this is top shelf by our standards. I've got a few questions, though.

Yep. One is, why have you always got tissues in your jeans? Well, because I've been using tissues. Blowing my nose or, yes, well, I can't think of any other reason. You know, dabbing. But like, yeah, I guess. I mean, and why don't you throw the tissues in the bin why do you put them in your pocket i don't know i think it might be because i'm in the

car okay um and grab a tissue or i'm not sure why have i always got tissue i actually have some spectacular handkerchiefs yeah these really awesome handkerchiefs a couple of them are from dad because they're dutch people have these really elaborate sort of bandana sort of handkerchiefs. A couple of them are from Dad because Dutch people have these really elaborate sort of bandana sort of handkerchiefs. Ginormous handkerchiefs, almost like a bedspread. And they're red and beautiful and evocative. And I've got a few of those that literally were Dad's and I've held on to them. And then I've bought others and my wife's bought. So, I've actually got wonderful handkerchiefs that I should be using.

But they're all folded away for safekeeping. But they would do far less damage in the wash. There's something about like inheriting handkerchiefs, though, that seems like I'm sure they're lovely. But thinking, wow, someone else blew their snot into this. And now I am. The tradition continues. They don't get a high rotation. I have kept those and I just I kind of keep them because they are, they're Dutch.

They're quintessential. They're more ornamental. Yes. Although I have to say, to be perfectly honest, I'm not exactly sure which ones those are anymore. I just know that there's two in there that I shouldn't use and I should use the others, but I'm not sure which one's which. So I just sort of get down to two and, you know, oh, well, those are dads. They're special. But I don't know.

I don't know which ones are the sentimental family heirlooms. I mean, a lot to me, but they're there. They're there as long as there's two earmarked for that purpose. That's right. Yeah. And no, one I can actually, it's quite faded. And yes, it is sort of strange. I've been going through sorting out and throwing away a lot of things that I haven't thrown away before. And perhaps it's time to let go of the handkerchiefs. But I do have some nice ones too, and I should bring them in and transition off my addiction to tissues. my addiction to tissues.

Yeah. Another question I have is, do you very often wash money when it's in the pocket of your jeans? Yes, not often. But again, I did that this week. Right. Not often, but I did it this week. I did.

Like not every day, but you know, I probably lose 100, 200 bucks a week. Just notes floating around everywhere i'm doing my money laundering the in australia as you know the two dollar coin is particularly sort of chunky but tiny but very small um yeah and they're often forgotten and in there it's so disappointing when you drop a two dollar coin on a hard surface isn't it like you know if it falls out of your pocket onto like bricks. It makes such a terrible noise.

I've never forgiven the $2 coin for that. You don't like it? What do you mean? It doesn't chink. It sort of is a bit more of a... Yeah, it doesn't make that clangy noise. It makes just that kind of dull, silly noise. Yeah.

It's an inferior coin. I remember when it came out and I remember looking going, that's bizarre. That's weird. Surely that can't be it. And it's so small. Like the two pound coin, that's aior coin. I remember when it came out and I remember looking going, that's bizarre. That's weird. Surely that can't be it. And it's so small. Like the two pound coin, that's a good coin. But the $2 coin in Australia, no, no. Well, next time you're over here, if you get any, man, just hand them over.

If you're not happy with them, just pass them on. Yeah, well, two bucks doesn't go far these days anyway. I generally don't have, like I remember back in the day putting coins into my wallet, but I barely have coins anymore. I mean, there's a few in the car for the kids to use at their school canteen or for some purpose. What could you get for two bucks these days? Give me a feel for it. What will $2 buy me? What does a can of Coke cost in Australia?

In Australia? I don't know. Well, I've just bought a nice coffee, as I do when we're recording. I think it was $4 or $4.50. Dollars? Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's crazy. But you might get two for six, you know.

So, it's one of those. But they are expensive. Oh, unbelievable. So, a Coke, I imagine, would be about $3 or something. Oh, I've been out of Australia for way too long. I'm still like an old man when I come back to Australia with those prices. Oh, back in my day, back in my day, you could buy a pound of sweeties.

Your British pound is still holding up quite nicely at the moment. So don't fear, man. You're not falling behind. But yes, no, Australia is quite an expensive place to live, particularly compared to the US, that's for sure. Have you ever washed things? Do you often mix your colours up and put something bright red in with all the whites and make all your white stuff go pink?

No, I'm very vigilant on that. I'm extremely vigilant. Yep. For some reason, that's something I'm very careful. That's your superpower. It is. It is. I'm very, I take extra time to make sure that.

And that's time I could be spending checking those two back pockets of my jeans for tissues. Exactly. You need to reprioritise there. I have a whole bunch of white T-shirts, like about eight, and they're all exactly the same and I wear them around the house and every now and then. I've got a couple of other ones sort of that I wear under shirts in winter, but they all, you know, they get done together.

They're like a little family of shirts that get done quite separately to everything else. Right. Yeah. Right. Nice. Thanks for sharing that. Yeah. What about you?

No, I don't have a group of white t-shirts I wash together. I'm disappointed to tell the civilians. I do make the mistake from time to time. I reckon about twice a year I will wipe out some of my light-coloured clothing because of a stray fresh garment bleeding its colour. But generally that happens mostly when you first buy it though, isn't it? Yes, yes. But that's the problem. Like little admission here, someone else actually does most of my washing.

We have someone that comes in once a week and she does the laundry for us. Right. So if she doesn't know, I for us right so if she doesn't know i'm not blaming her because she won't know if something's new so if i put something in the wash that's that i've just recently purchased like that's that's a bad on me but that is what often what results in it so you don't take when you buy something you take it home don't i immediately take the tags off and chuck it in the washing machine. You don't do that. Oh, no, I don't do that. That's interesting. Do you wear it before you've washed it? Yes. Is that bad? Well, I don't know if it's bad, bad, or if it's just bad because mum said not to,

like bad, you know. If your mum said not to, then it's bad. Like don't go swimming after you've eaten sort of bad. It's probably not bad, bad, but it is bad. Certainly mum told me not to do it. Don't hang out with Brady was another one your mum used to always say. That's true. He doesn't wash his clothes properly. Yeah. Okay, that's interesting.

I might run that. Let us know, civilians in the Reddit, do you wash your clothes before you wear it? It's probably good practice, to be honest. I just assume it could have been tried on by someone else. Not that it really matters, but it comes home. It's kind of like just initiating it into the home and to the family. So I give it, you know, good wash.

I feel like that first wear of something before it's been washed, it was like the thing is as good as it's ever going to be. Oh, right. No, but it's all stiff and weird and the creases are sort of in the wrong places and fair enough interesting anyway interesting there we go so there we go i think we've sucked just about everything squeezed everything out you know what a good podcast would be tim a podcast just about people talking about doing their laundry like we're we're still going i've got a million questions i'm. We're learning new things about each other that we never knew.

I thought that would be impossible. Yes, that's true. Yeah. Like, I've known you for a million years, and I didn't know that you washed your new garments before you wore them. Like, this is whole new information to me. This is the first new thing about you I've learned in years. And I don't do it when I am doing the washing. do it like that night when i get home like it's almost part

of the purchasing experience like i get home take the tags off put it in the wash you got to wash it straight away hang it out there we go now now it's ready to join the family there we go chuck a couple of tissues in there for good luck that's right all right now you need a half-baked idea no do you know what we need now we need to mention our long-suffering sponsor hover a half-baked advertisement for hover is that another half-baked advertisement for Hover. Who deserve better. They deserve better than us. They do. Gosh.

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tell me I've been a good domain. That's true. Thank you, hover. Thank you, hover. Thank you, hover. And keep an eye out for that film as well, people. All right, come on, let's run through these a bit bit quicker i want to hear a few half-baked ideas seeing you mentioned him seeing you mentioned the patron saint of the unmade podcast tom hanks yes my first idea is inspired by the man himself because he recently as he was recovering from his his medical mishap while in Australia, he tweeted

a picture of him and his wife having Vegemite, which went viral and caused a storm and got everyone talking about Vegemite, the famous Australian spread for people who don't know it, most commonly put on toast or sandwiches. It is a savoury, quite bitter flavoured spread that looks black. It looks a bit like tar. Australians love it, but it is a real love or hate type condiment. And my idea for a podcast is called the Vegemite Podcast, where people who have never had Vegemite before come onto the podcast, have some Vegemite with us in various ways, on a crumpet, on some toast, wherever, and tell us what they think about it. There you go. I love Vegemite with us in various ways, on a crumpet, on some toast, wherever, and tell us what they think about it.

There you go. I love Vegemite. Do you have access to Vegemite in the UK? Yes. Yeah, you can. Yeah, you can get it. I order it from Amazon. There's always at least two jars.

And my wife, who is English and takes great delight in belittling Australia at every opportunity and telling me how silly Australia is. Like, you know, that's just the way it is. Even she has been brought around to Vegemite and I sometimes catch her having a sneaky Vegemite on toast and it makes me so proud. That's fantastic. I love it. I love it too. My mum is very strong.

Dad, I don't think ever had, oh, maybe a little bit of Vegemite, but mum particularly, marmalade and Vegemite every morning. um not together I hope no no no on separate like two pieces of toast yeah very separate yeah what do you what's your tell me your Vegemite technique what do you most like on and how do you have it and talk me through it well when I when I was young I had a saying you know with that I would say the same way every day to mum when she asked me something so like for instance she made milo which is a drink in a particular way that made it taste like it was hot milo gone cold again so basically she put a little bit of hot in and then lots of cold water so it was sort of like it had a hot milo like a hot cocoa or something like that it's gone cold

again so my entire life she'd say what would you like to drink and i'd say a hot milo gone cold again yeah and she'd just make it that way when it came to vegemite she'd say what would you like on your toast and i'd say vegemite whipped the way i like it the way okay what she means by that is just a huge amount of butter and veegemite just sort of, you know, splattered all over the place. So it's not even, and it's not minimal. Like some people have it. It's a lot of Vegemite just in chunky forms. So you have a lot, because that picture Tom Hanks tweeted was criticized for having the Vegemite laid on way too thick. And I have to say, I agree. Oh yeah. It was too thick. Yeah. No, he's clueless. But what we had was like, like instead of you don't have it thick and even like that you

have it thick in bits and pieces so i'd have it you know there's a blob over here like little undersea volcanoes poking out from the ocean of butter you're in fine form tonight man you could sell that too there's another movie david attenborough's vegemite that's right and then over here there'd be a little bit of butter so the the butter sort of so i saw that whipped the way i like it there's just splatterings of butter and uneven you know yes as you say craters there has to be a lot of butter or margarine or other spread. That is a key part of it. Very much so, yeah.

Do you like Vegemite on crumpets? Not as much, really. My crumpet go-to is honey. I love honey. I have one Vegemite, one honey. Like the honey one's dessert. Oh, yeah. Which one do you eat first?

Usually the honey. Because it's there and honey's amazing. No, I do eat the Vegemite first. I'll eat the Vegemite first. Sometimes I'll have two Vegemites, sometimes two honeys, but you always have two crumpets. What kind of monster has just one crumpet? No.

Imagine going through your day having had one crumpet. You'd just be furious, wouldn't you? It's like wearing one shoe. I'd hate to get into an argument with someone after having had one crumpet you'd be like just look i'm sorry i've just had one crumpet i'm just a bit emotional at the moment yeah it's incomplete it also creates an unevenness in your pack of six because if you have them in pairs you have three square mils but if you have one and then you start having pairs you get to a point where like oh hang on there's only one left yeah yeah yeah that's difficult and you have to go out and buy another set and then you have to

have three really just to better to have three than one that's for sure yeah i agree um three three crumpets is is an extravag, but hey, we've all been there. That's a big meal. That's like if guests have come over and you have three crumpets. Well, sometimes you'll have two crumpets and then you have one crumpet as a chaser. I've been known to regret that third crumpet, though. One for the road. That one does tend to sit there for quite a while.

I have as a segue, I have Tom Hanks on my list as well. Oh, I've just got here. Best films of Tom Hanks. Oh, yeah. Which is I know he's never made a bad film, but, you know, that's a niche podcast. He has made a bad film. Have you seen The Circle? No, no, no.

I read half the novel and got bored with that. So I'm not surprised the film is, well, not very good then. You're saying it's bad. Yeah, it's bad. Yeah, right. What's your favourite Tom Hanks movie? We've moved on to another podcast idea here, clearly, which is the idea. Yeah, yeah.

What's your favourite Tom Hanks movie? Oh, it's really hard to nail down, actually. I'm going Cast Away. Really? I love that movie. I never get sick of it. Oh, wow. I like the premise of it, but I don't totally love it as a film.

No, I liked it. I really like Forrest Gump. Obviously, Apollo 13 is a good movie. Apollo 13 is a good movie. I showed that recently to the kids and really loved it. What did he get the Oscar for? He got Philadelphia. He's got two Oscars, hasn't he?

Yeah, and Forrest Gump in a row. That was best actor, Forrest Gump, was it? Yeah, yeah. So, like, 93, 94. I'm surprised that got best actor, but, yeah. I actually love You've Got Mail, which is just that romantic comedy. And Sleepless in Seattle is great. Yeah, and I only saw that recently, actually,

because I just never got around to it, which is crazy. But, yeah, The Terminal is a pretty average film. Yeah, that is average. Big, obviously, is a classic. Yeah, Big's a good movie. That's a great. In fact, I think he was nominated for an Oscar for Big. That's in early.

Most of his films in the 80s weren't very good. there's turner and hooch and all that sort of stuff turner and hooch is all right oh yeah but it's you know it's sort of that sort of throwaway comedy in the 80s road to perdition isn't a bad film but not a great film there's another one i've forgotten the name of it i'm browsing through here and i can't find it um oh the green mile Mile. That's quite a good film. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I love that film. Actually, that might be high on my list too. And I feel like I'm forgetting one else, one other film. The Green Mile's not great because of Tom Hanks, though. Like, he doesn't own that film the way he owns some of his other films.

He's just, like, one of the solid actors in it. Yeah. But he's totally believable, isn't he, as that sort of good guy guard? Yeah. Yeah, that's for sure. I'll tell you, Me If You Can, I watched again the other night, and that's actually a very good film. The first time I saw it, I thought it was just cute because of the premise of all the forgeries and so forth. But actually, Leonardo DiCaprio, who I actually really dislike as an actor, I find him unbelievable in most

things he does. But he is very good in this as a sort of a kid trying to be older and, you know, shaped by his father and whatnot. That's really good. The Save It Private Ryan, obviously, that's a very good film. Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah. And he's great in that, too. I don't think it's a big stretch for him to play, like, just like a nice guy, though. No, no.

He is often talked about as the Jimmy Stewartmy stewart of the modern era and that's true and i love jimmy stewart he's my favorite actor and he's very much like that have you seen a beautiful day in the neighborhood no i haven't seen that yet no it's quite new that one isn't it yeah yeah and that's based around that show in america that we didn't grow up with in australia mr rogers and and so forth. Have you seen California Typewriter? No. This is a little documentary that he features in. And the documentary isn't great, but he's really charming in it.

He's himself. It's a documentary. And it's all about typewriters and his collection of typewriters. And I really love typewriters. I know you do too. I've got a few old ones around the place that look really nice. And that's a pretty cool documentary to check out. Well, should we go on to a half-baked idea of mine? Because I've got one that joins up to your one because it involves the Oscars. Go ahead. Because I was in the car

the other day and I was listening to the song Eye of the Tiger. Oh, yes. It was Rocky 2, wasn't it? Eye of the Tiger. I don't remember. And I was listening to it and thinking, do you know what? What a great song. Like, it's a good song. Everyone knows it. It's got really heavy association with the film. Like, it really is a song of the film.

And, like, you know, I thought, do you know what? How can a song like this not win the Oscar? Because it's, like, such a heavy part of the film. It does its job so well. You know, years later, everyone still associates it with the film so i thought why didn't was it even nominated for an oscar and i looked it up and let me just double check but i looked it up at the time and it turns out eye of the tiger by survivor was nominated for the oscar for best song uh hang. Let me tell you the exact details. I make a mistake. Rocky III.

But it was up against Up Where We Belong from An Officer and a Gentleman. Yeah. Which is, you know, another classic film song. And probably, you know, a worthy winner. And then it was nominated in 1983 for a Grammy Award. But it lost to Willie Nelson, Always On My Mind. Also, pretty solid song. And it did make me think, like, would it be a good podcast to talk about great, like, not that I'm saying it's a great work of art, but works of art or things that have happened that happened at the wrong time and therefore cost them? Like, great films that would have won an Oscar, except it just

so happened they were up against another great film that year or great athletes that came along at just the wrong time and happened to you know lose to usain bolt for 10 years because they came along at just the wrong time great tennis players that happened to be playing when roger federer and nadal and djokovic are smashing everyone off the court. Like a whole podcast dedicated to the right thing at the wrong time. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's a good idea. There's a few examples of that kind of thing. That in any other era, they would have been the greatest.

Yeah. Well, the tennis example is an interesting one because there's an argument to say the three greatest tennis players of all time are playing right now. Yeah. And they'd own any other era on their own. You know, so that's, it's marvellous now, but yeah, that's true. They'd probably dominate any other era on their own.

But if you're, and also if you're also a really good player, like, I mean, Andy Murray has picked up a few grand slams, but the ones probably below Andy Murray around at the moment probably, yeah, would have won a whole bunch of tournaments at the moment, but none. They are the eye of the tiger of the tennis world. What examples come up for you? What do you think of? Well, it's hard to go past eye of the tiger, isn't it? The year after that, Flashdance, What a Feeling, won. And that is very sort of eye of the tiger-y, if you ask me. That's like that genre of winner.

Yeah, that's a good fun pop song. That's for sure. The year before that, it was won by Best That You Can Do from Arthur. I never watched Arthur. No, I can't think what that song is. But do you know what? It beat, in 1981, Best That You Can Do. I'm sure it's a great song.

It was written by Peter Allen and Burt Bacharach, Christopher Cross and Carol Sager. So it's probably a pretty good song. But it beat Endless Love by Lionel Richie and For Your Eyes Only. So, you know, that was a strong year, wasn't it? It was. This year there was, I didn't know any of the songs that were up in the Oscars this year. But on the night, you're listening to them being performed just once, and then you go, oh, which one do I reckon is the best song?

And I didn't think the Elton John song was that great, which is the one that won, I'm Going to Love Me Again. But I, for days afterwards, was singing the Randy Newman song from Toy Story 4, which is I Can't Let You Throw Yourself Away. That's a great song. That's really catchy. Listen to 1984. Tell me which you'd give it to out of these ones, all right?

I'll randomise the order. Yep. Against All Odds, Phil Collins. Yep. I Just Called To Say I Love You by Stevie Wonder, which was in The Woman in Red. Yep. Footloose and Let's Hear It For The Boy, both in Footloose.

Footloose, yeah. And Ghostbusters. Whoa, that is a great, that's like a greatest hits album. That's fantastic. That's a strong field. I have a feeling this is just from memory that Against All Odds won, but I might be wrong. I think that would have been my guess too if I didn't have the answer

in front of me, but it was, I just called to say I love you. Hey there, everyone. Very much in keeping with the half-baked nature of this episode. This is the point at which Tim's recording setup failed catastrophically. And the rest of the podcast is basically me talking with occasional snatches of Tim giggling or half phrases and really isn't worth listening to. But don't worry, we know a lot of you are stuck at home at the moment and it's important to have podcasts and things to do. So we're going to do our best to record some more episodes as soon

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