The Unmade Podcast - 42: Jammin' with Tim

Episode Date: April 8, 2020

Brady and Tim discuss crying, shells, double-yolk eggs, a deep biography, selling things on eBay... then Tim gets out his guitar. Hover - register your domain now and get 10% off by going to hover.com/unmade - promo code UNMADE at checkout - https://www.hover.com/Unmade Support us on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/unmadeFM Join the discussion of this episode on our subreddit - https://redd.it/fx6019 USEFUL LINKS Complete a one-side podcast and maybe win a small treat too! - https://www.unmade.fm/one-sided-podcast The Living Years by Mike and the Mechanics - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGDA0Hecw1k The Living Years wiki article - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Living_Years Field of Dreams - https://amzn.to/2Rhylfq Chariots of Fire finale - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwyltmUR3MU Inside Out - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2096673/ Tearjerker films - https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/news/g3144/tearjerkers-movies Shell stuff - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell Clam shell sandpit and pool - https://amzn.to/3b4NM2g Brady's artillery shell - https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5990824849fc2b4c4fe4211b/t/5e8d884c02c0b1299e932a9a/1586333776759/Screen+Shot+2020-04-08+at+09.15.13.jpg Golden Fleece - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Fleece_Company Double Yolk Eggs - https://www.saudereggs.com/blog/why-do-some-eggs-have-two-yolks/ Money for Nothing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTP2RUD_cL0 Zoo Station - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xxt5IhEehME The Milk Song - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzEoQnM7oH8

Like, I can't keep in time if you're going to be out of time. I'm going to start with a public service announcement for the civilians out there. Oh, yes. In the last episode, episode 41, I suggested the one-sided podcast where we release a recording of just one side of our conversation. Oh, yes. And people can, like, make their own version. That now exists.

And we're really encouraging you, if you've got a bit of spare time on your hands to have a go at it, you can download a file and you'll just hear me talking and gaps where Tim's talking back at me. And I think it lasts for about 15 minutes, but you don't have to do the whole 15 minutes. But if you want to download that and make a piece of conversation, filling in the gaps where Tim's talking and send it in, we're going to put together a bit of conversation filling in the gaps where Tim's talking and send it in. We're going to put together a bit of a compilation maybe of people's contributions and as a bit of an incentive and a reward for people who take part, I will be giving out little gifts and prizes to people who contribute.

I'm looking forward to hearing these actually. This will be good. Yeah. What about the gifts? You excited about the idea of a gift? Maybe you'll contribute one. I know you love a bit of unmade merch and gifts and stuff so indeed indeed well there's a few things laying around that i thought hey we should keep this and and this might be a gift this might be of interest to someone what was it the other day where you sent me a message like you were doing something and it had made you tear up like you were watching something and it made you cry i can't remember were watching something and it had made you cry. I can't remember why, but, you know, it was emotional. And then you made some comment to me, but don't worry,

I captured some of the tears and we can give them as gifts to our patrons. What was that? No. Watching a film, probably. I don't know what it was now. I like the idea of sending some of Tim's tears As Patreon perks That's right

They could do Harry Potter And they might be able to like Extract your memories from them as well Oh hello That's right They could become a particular potion Couldn't they They could get like your pin

For the bank and stuff And clean you out Out of my tears Yeah I've definitely cried over that So that's probably in there. All right. So there we go.

If you want to support us on Patreon, I'm not guaranteeing we're going to send you some of Tim's tears, but the idea has been discussed. If I have to start pumping out tears. If I wanted to guarantee some tears from you, Tim, like now, what would be the best way to get them? Oh, I think it would be playing the song The Living Years by Mike and the Mechanics. Oh, yeah.

That's the first time I remember getting emotional at a song i remember where i was sitting listening to it probably on vinyl and actually listening to the lyrics and understanding what it was about and getting a bit teary and like bit bit bit burny in the throat yeah i remember a group coming to our school to do like a presentation at an assembly and like playing it as like talking about values and what life's about yeah and um thinking oh that's a really great song and then we had like a discussion about it and then 30 or 20 years later i was working for that organization doing those seminars in schools and so forth but i always forgot to use the living years like it was prime it would have been a lovely closure to use the same song.

This is a song about a guy remembering his father, his father passing away and all the things he wished he'd done while his father was still alive. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's a good one. Give it a spin. I just wish I could have told him in the living years. That's a guaranteed tears right there.

That's right. Tearjerker. Tearjerker. What about a movie? You got a guaranteed tearjerker movie? I don't know if I do. There are certain films that get me. Let me give me a moment.

Field of Dreams gets me every time, multiple times. I don't get that at all. Again, that's about father and fathers and regret about not, you know, regret about things you didn't do with your father when he was still alive. Spoiler. Is it really? Isn't it about a baseball player who, like, is wandering in the cornfields and turns out to be a ghost? Have you ever watched Field of Dreams?

Yes, you made me watch it years ago when we were young. Watch it, Tim. Tim, watch it again through your more mature eyes and I think you'll see it very differently. That's making it sound like I don't like the movie because I was immature. I think you're at a different stage of life now. I think I certainly see it differently now. I'm not saying you're a thicker or something.

I'm just saying I think if you think that film is just about baseball, you don't remember the film. I remember watching it with you. this would have been like year 11 and yeah and i'm pretty much at the same stage of life as i was at year 11 and uh no in terms of films i i i might give it another go i know it moves you tremendously but i remember not it not doing it for me at the time there are two moments in that film that get me every time. I tell you my hesitation, and this is, again, from a memory that's flawed by, what is it, 25 years or whatever, but it involves a kind of magic, like magic realism. That doesn't often, magic takes things out of the realm of reality to me.

So I know that fantasy films and all the rest of it can be incredibly moving but they're not moving for me because i always think oh hang on this isn't real you've just broken the rules oh it's magic oh okay so that's yeah not that it it breaks the spell for me no pun intended when when something like that happens by the way what a great idea for a podcast things that make me cry things that make me yes, it's very good. Yes. I'm trying to think of a film. I feel like there's something obvious and I don't get it. I can name loads of films that make me cry all the time. Finding Nemo. Finding Nemo, wow. It's a good film, isn't it? It's really well made. When he goes up and asks for that

to hug his dad in front of all his friends, you know, he used to be so he used to hate his dad hugging him and show him affection. And at the end, he makes a point of saying, wait, everyone, wait, and goes and gives his dad a hug in front of them all. Bye, son. Have fun. Bye, dad.

Oh, Mr. A, wait, I forgot something. Love you, dad. I love you too i love you too son just kills me there's a real dad theme here isn't there there is uh chariots of fire chariots of fire always gets me which part makes you cry in chariots of fire i mean i love chariots of fire but crying two bits i get stirred when eric little falls over and wins but that's not for emotional reasons that's just because it's an awesome athletic moment yeah i like when eric little wins the 400 400 meters at the end at the olympics and he gets the letter from jackson schultz showing him respect and it's just him running the 400 with that great speech.

Jenny, I believe God made me for a purpose. But he also made me fast. And when I run, I feel his pleasure. And the music. The music gets you. And you're on such a high when he wins that race and then uh and then they're at the end they're doing like a victory parade and they're all they're all they all become friends at the end oh the last the last 10 minutes of chariots of fire is pretty good i don't want to

let this moment go with it i feel like there's a film i've forgotten name some films man raiders of the lost Ark. No. Star Wars. No. What are the good tear-jerking films? Films where people die at the end are always good for that. Hang on. I'm Googling films that make you cry.

Oh, I'm Googling tear-jerker films. What have we got here? Oh, here's one. Marley and Me. If Marley and Me is a guaranteed cry. Oh, really? I oh don't watch that up the first the first minute of up is good i've never seen up and people keep telling me that i look like the guy in up you do so yeah up this and the end of up as well as also tearjerker that's The very start and the very end of Up are good. Yeah, right.

Okay. Some of these ones on the list I don't agree with. Dead Poets Society, does that get you? It does. I mean, I remember seeing it the first time. It wasn't tears, but it was almost tears of inspiration. I was so overcome. Forrest Gump when he's doing his speech to Jenny at the tree.

Oh, yes. I love that. Oh, Jenny, he's so smart and about his son that's a lovely line that's a beautiful line goodwill hunting no goodwill hunting i i quite like but i don't love it doesn't do it for me the same way i really love this is quite not i don't think it made me cry but i loved boyhood did you see the film boyhood that was filmed over i have seen it yeah moved over 12 years oh gosh that was a staggering film i was so moved by that it's not really a tearjerker but it was yeah it was staggering film watching this boy that made me

want to but you know do like youth work again and stuff the fault in our stars the book made me cry and i don't think i probably cried at the film as well i know a film that made me cry and I think I probably cried at the film as well. I know a film that made me cry. Yeah. Inside Out. The end of Inside Out when sadness is allowed to take over. That was... I don't even know what that film is. Oh, really?

Oh, this is a... I don't think it's a Pixar, but I think it's... Yeah, okay. I'm looking at the pictures of it now. Yeah, it's like an animated film. It's a very clever film It all happens inside a little girl's head All the different emotions and you see what's going on

And they've created a whole world in there And it's really very clever Very clever The animated films are good, aren't they? Look, most of the Toy Story films get you Yeah, they do Yeah, number three got me, that's for sure, when he passed them on. I've not seen number four yet, but.

I didn't like four as much as the first three, but it was still very good. Yeah, they are very good. They're very funny too. So, there we go. Yep. All right. Tear Jerkers, the Tear Jerker podcast. Tear Jerker's a good name.

It could. It could branch out. It's the songs. It's the books, films, poems. That kind of becomes a different kind of genre, though, doesn't it, really? If you cry at a poem, I think you may be being a bit of a poser. I always weep when I read poetry. Unless you're reading it aloud at a particular occasion,

in which case the occasion really is doing it to you, isn't it? Ah, yeah, like a funeral or something, yeah. It's just sitting at home wearing a beret and crying over a poem. Yeah, if someone's reading a poem at a funeral, I'm not going to call that from the back row. You poser! Brady. The poems are literate.

A line can do it to you, it can resonate. But to jerk tears, yeah, there needs to be some context that you're bringing to it. A novel can create that. That's for sure. Yeah. No, it's a good idea, man. It came out of the blue, that one. It wasn't even an idea.

I was just remembering you capturing your tears for patrons. I just came from that. But anyway, good one. Harvesting my tears is actually. Harvesting Tim's tears. All right. So, I've got a few ideas today. I've still got three more ideas that I had on my list.

Obviously, I'm not going to get through all of them today, but should I do one or do you want to do one? Well, if you've got three, I've got one. So, why don't you knock one of yours off and then we'll get to mine. All right. Let's get mine out of the way before we get to the serious business of tim's ideas yeah yeah yeah hang on let me think about which one to start with uh let's start with one that's maybe not as good but i've somehow been taken by it it's called the what's it called what am i gonna call it um i've given up naming my podcasts i'm only going to present ideas and you can name them. All right. This podcast is called Things Called Shell.

Right. Or Things With Shells. Things With Shells? The Shell podcast? I don't know. But basically, every episode has to involve shells. Okay. I literally have nothing to say.

Please, please keep talking. That's so random Let me tell you some things That some of the episodes could be about Alright You could have an episode all about snails Turtles Crabs Oh, okay

Taco shells People called Michelle who you call Shell Clams, mussels and oysters Shell service stations. Shell companies and corporations. Shell structures and architecture. Egg shells. Electron shells.

Nut shells. Shelling peas. There are all sorts of computing terms involving the word Shell. The Shell game where you use three shells and you've got to follow the ball what one's it under. There's a movie called Shell. There was a do- band from new york in the olden days called the shells there are three places in the world called shell shotgun shells artillery shells there are eight people listed on wikipedia with the surname shell uh shell coverage shell defense in american football shell suits and shell track suits. Need I go on?

I hope you say no because that's the end of my list. All right. I feel like you reading out that list was a lovely podcast episode. What's your next trick? No, that's... Brady reads lists. Shell. Do you have any shells in your house? We don't have any shells from the beach.

When I was young, we did. And I used to love holding them up to my ear to listen to the ocean. Oh, yeah. That's one of my favourite childhood memories. There were seashells in our childhood bathroom that my mum had put there. And when I realised you could hear the ocean by putting it up to your ear, like, to me, that was like, that was black magic. Yeah black magic yeah that was good we don't what shells do we have do you remember there were some kids that had like a sand pit that was like a shell on one side and it opened up like a clam

and it was oh yeah those big big garish plastic ones yeah yeah and it was a pool on one side and a sand pit on the other i love that's what comes into your head. Were you jealous of kids that had those shell sandpits? No, no. I feel like they came a bit after that when I'd already grown up. I actually felt a bit sorry, like, oh, that's a pretty small sandpit. Like, I had a much better call than that. Did you, have you given your girls a sandpit at any time over the years?

No, no. They've played in them and love it, you know, out at parks and things, but we've never had one at home. I mean, they're just wee traps, aren't they? They are wee traps, that's right. Yeah. So I have seashells. I have a couple, oh, two seashells maybe in the bathroom,

but I'm actually looking at a shell in my office right now, but it's an artillery shell. Oh, right, yeah. It's a huge artillery shell that i keep coins in was it did you find it and buy it or was it given to you as a gift or you get them in second-hand stores all the time in england like world war ii shells yep so i've just got such a big you know brass shell that would have been you know obviously the projectile is no longer in it but the part that would have held all the explosive powder is sitting here like big

golden brass cylinder and i just throw all my coins into it at the end of the day you know no that's cool i'll put a picture of it on the uh in the show notes i remember i was with um a friend once and we were in a store which had a lot of old things like that but it also had some arty modern art and and art and some old nostalgic commercial pieces, signs and things like that. And he bought a big plastic model of the shell lamb, you know, from the Shell service station. Oh, no, hang on.

Is that the Shell service station? Oh, no, that's Golden Fleece. Oh, yes. Of course, the shell is just a shell, isn't it? It is, yes, it is. That's right. The genius of the shell logo suddenly occurs to Tim. So it's called Shell and their logo is a shell.

Next time I drive past, I'm going to go in a telemat. Full Mark's marketing department. Next time I drive past, I'm going to go in and tell them that. Fullmarks Marketing Department, we just got some feedback. Maybe they haven't realised yet. They should capitalise on it somehow. They should start using artillery shells as their logo. That'll go down well. But anyway, I thought it was a really cool sort of thing to buy, you know, this big plastic piece of commercial,

like a big plastic sheep and putting it know, this big plastic piece of commercial, like a big plastic sheep and putting it up at home as a piece of modern art. Worst episode ever of my shell podcast is when Tim comes on and talks about his friend that had the golden fleece logo. That has nothing at all to do with shells. I come in and talk about my friend Sarah, who, you know, would like to have been called Michelle. Do you like white eggs or brown eggs with the eggshells?

Do people still buy white eggs very much? What do you mean? Do you mean for Easter? No, eggs. Like, you know, eggs that you, that chickens lay? Indeed, yes. Do you like ones with white shells or brown shells? I don't mind as long as they're

big i i i'm quite fussy about my my eggs like i have eggs for breakfast every morning right and i yeah but i and you buy them and you bring them home and all of them in the supermarket say you know that we never you know buy from batteryens. They always want to get them free range and good quality ones. And they all say large or now they say extra large or massive, you know, like. And you just imagine these big chooks roaming around a paddock dropping these massive eggs, you know. And then you get them home and you're like, oh, that's just regular size. That's not extra large. It's just inflation, isn't it?

I love I don't mind as long as it's big. You're such, you're so refined. Tim, would you like some chocolate? Oh, yes, please. Oh, what kind of chocolate would you like me to get? Oh, I don't care what kind, as long as it's big. It's not, it's not the case. It's an egg.

You are. Dude, I don't care how the chickens were treated, as long as they laid big eggs. Give me big egg. Well, no, see, that's the thing. I like, I like't care how the chickens were treated As long as they laid big eggs Give me big eggs Well, no, see, that's the thing I like the ethical side But the ethical side combined with the size Is just like an incredibly satisfying breakfast experience It is, it is, yeah

How would you like your steak done, sir? I don't mind as long as it's big Pulling up at McDonald's Can i take your order what's the biggest thing you've got i'll have two of them do you reckon chooks brag to each other about their eggs i once laid an egg this big oh rubbish don't listen to her. She always says that. She never laid an egg that big. I always laid an egg the size of a house. I wonder if doing a two-yolker is like an incredibly rare experience. Like, you wouldn't believe what I did.

I wonder if they know. Oh, that felt like a two-yolker. Yeah, yeah, maybe. That's right. You never know. I don't have eggs enough to have ever gotten a two yoker. Oh, I have. Oh, yeah.

How often do you get them? Oh, like once every two or three years. Oh, right. They're that rare. Oh, yes, yes. It's a very, it's a real red-letter day. What do you do when you get one? You literally just go, oh, it's got two yolks, and then move on.

Well, that sure sounds like a red day today. You don't take the day off or anything. It's a national holiday. Go buy a lotto ticket. The prime minister tells everyone they don't have to go to work that day because Tim just got two yogurts. We're having a report. You don't like take a picture

and send it into the newspaper or something. Next time I get one, I'll send you a photo. I promise. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Can you tell it's legit a two-yolk? Like, could I easily fake a two-yolk by just putting two eggs into a cup? Or, well, into a cup you might, because that's not a fair playing field. Like, you've got to put them in a frying pan so they can go. Okay. You can see how close they are, like little buddies. It would be hard. So, it would be hard to fake a two-yolk fried egg. I think it would be.

I mean, you could put another one on top. But they also are a bit smaller. And they're sort of nuzzling up to one another as well. So, they're not perfectly round, I find. You could try and fake it. But I, of course, won't believe you now, even if in two months' time you get one. I'll be like, well, you just fake it. I don't know much about how eggs and baby chickens work. Is a two-yolker, what would have, if it had been fertilised, would have been

potentially twins? I guess so, although it's inside the egg. So, I don't know. There's no rooster around, and obviously there's no chicks that are going to come from it. No. I mean, I said potential twins. I mean, this is just showing the value of my shell podcast. We're already deep in the weeds here of like whether two yoked eggs were potential twin chickens. I would love to see someone who actually understands how eggs and chickens work listening to this at the moment, just like slapping their face going, oh, my God, could these guys be more stupid? Well, just because we don't know the answer about whether two yolks inside one egg could potentially have left that shell, formed another shell. I don't know.

There's a lot of unanswered questions here. But when the shell podcast starts, all will be revealed. So Royal Dutch Shell, Shell Australia, Shell NME, Shell Korea. Every time, if I Google Shell, it's all related to the oil company. That's interesting. I sense now is the perfect time to mention today's episode sponsor. Ooh. It is not Shell.

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Thanks, Hover. You got an idea then, Tim? I do. I do have an idea. It needs a bit of work, I think, or that's another way of saying I think there are many dimensions to this and you can workshop it with me. I'm going to hold off on trying to think of a name because I'm useless at that. But. I think that's for the best.

And you've taken Shell now, so I can't use that. I think that's for the best. And you've taken Shell now, so I can't use that. But my idea essentially looks in as comprehensive detail as possible a person's life. Like, I remember there's many, many biographies that are written about people. And many, many people like American presidents have many, many books. And as the years go by, they become fatter and thicker. And I know that there's a series on Lyndon Johnson, which goes to four volumes, massive volumes, incredible detail about him. And I was actually thinking, I wonder how much detail.

Like, what if you could comprehensively analyze a person's life? And then I was thinking, maybe a podcast. analyze a person's life. And then I was thinking, maybe a podcast. What if a person actually used a podcast, not just to interview someone for an hour, but actually to interview them about everything, like to cover everything, like start at the beginning and basically go through the years of your life and cover as much as you possibly can to get it all out there, every living memory that you possibly have. So in your idea, as you're putting it, this person is still alive and they're actually the interview subject. They're the ones kind of-

That's right. You are getting the information from the source, right? That's right. That's right. So, the person could be very good. They would have to be very skillful at sort of helping the person to remember more and more information. Remember grade six at school or whatever, you know, that year,

and you're like, well, I don't know, I had this teacher. And then you start to sort of help them to, oh, look at that photo. Oh, yes, that reminds me of this and that reminds me. And so layer upon layer of not infinite but enormous detail starts to pour out. So you start this comprehensive exploration of this person's life, which may or may not catch up to reality because as the years go. Real time.

It gets to a point where it's like, what are you doing now? I'm scratching my knee. Now what are you doing? That's right, answering your question about scratching my knee. How would you choose your subject? Because obviously someone who's really, really, you couldn't get Tom Hanks because he's really busy doing stuff. We just immediately go to Tom Hanks as the obvious person. But it also couldn't be an absolute nobody unless they're an amazing person because that would be...

Who would your subject be? If I said, okay, Tim, I'm going to give you a million dollars to make it right now, I'm commissioning it, who would you get as your subject? I would be tempted to find a nobody, but who's of a certain type. That is a person that people, you know what I mean, are fascinated by because they are so ordinary. Even if you've got someone who's lived an extraordinary life, after a while, you've sort of covered all the extraordinary bits, right? And you need to go behind that. And so, really, it becomes an exploration of ordinary things. So, it might be better to start with someone who, for all intents and purposes, lived an

ordinary life, a very plain life. But then you start to unpack the enormous, you know what I mean, interesting, the memories and the experiences and the moments and things like that inside someone who might be, like, you could call the podcast Your Average Joe or something like that you get to know them enormously well would you hold back a few twists like like say they're in prison but you don't find that out until episode 50 or something oh yeah see that's a good idea yeah yeah you don't know the details of where they're at now and as as you go through in a comprehensive way, that's right. You're forever guessing ahead.

Because you're always like a twist, don't you? Like suddenly you find out they committed a murder or something. It's like, oh, my goodness, we've just spent five episodes talking about your childhood interest in seashells. And now only now do I find out that you killed a man sort of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or we find out it's someone that we do know, but we, you know, like it is Tom Hanks, it turns out, but we didn't know. We called him Tommy and started way back at the beginning.

You know what I mean? Like Tom Hanks didn't make a movie we all knew about until his 20s. And so, I don't know, something, there could be some sort of twist like that that's ultra positive or negative. Yeah. So, yeah, yeah. Very comprehensive over a long period, a massive long project. I like this idea.

Or you could do it with a few different characters and each episode's a different character and you have your favourites. And then as time goes by, their lives start interweaving. At first, it's just three different people. And you're thinking, oh, yeah, I always enjoy, like it's called Tom, Dick and Harry. I was about to say the same thing.

Yeah. I always enjoy the Tom episodes and not so much the Harry ones or whatever, and then suddenly their lives start crossing over and you realise, hang on, these lives are intertwined. I didn't see that coming. Yeah, or two brothers or a guy and a girl who get together or have been. Oh, yeah, that's good too, yeah.

You can see their lives and when they finally when they finally meet that would be interesting particularly if there was someone who they were they knew for many years but didn't get together or were close or in you know what i mean the same school but then married later on or something or imagine if but then later on they get divorced so you're like at the start you think they're strangers and then you realize they're together and you think oh i never saw that coming and then you find out they're apart again and all sorts. It could go all over the place. It could.

It could. Yeah. It would take a long time. Good idea. Back to you, man. All right. My next idea is called, I'm selling everything I own on eBay. This is great.

I love it. And the idea of this is basically, you liquidate I own on eBay. This is great. I love it. And the idea of this is basically you liquidate your life on eBay. So every single possession you own, you sell on eBay piece by piece. And each episode is about the object you sold that week. And I think this would be quite fun because the episode would have like a natural arc to it. Like, okay, this is what the object was. This is the research I did about it before doing my listing. And I saw who else had sold things like it

and how much I think it might be worth. This is the story of the object. This is what happened when I listed it. This is how much interest I got. These are the questions I was asked by potential buyers. This is the price it actually got in the end. And you just gradually liquidate your life. I think it would be, obviously it's a bit of a performance piece,

but I think it would be really interesting to see how you value what you have compared to what the open market values what you have. Of course, that's brilliant because, of course, it could be happening in real time. So, as the podcast grows, people will want to buy it because of the novelty and their connection to the podcast. Well, I have thought about this because I think this is a flaw of the idea. I think this corrupts the idea. Because if the podcast became really popular, obviously, yeah, the price would be distorted by this.

So I think you would have to release the podcast after you'd done it or you would have to somehow- Do it anonymously. Change the account you were selling with all the podcast after you'd done it or you would have to somehow- Do it anonymously. Change the account you were selling with all the time or something. I think if everyone got to know you and what you were selling and were bidding on the items, I think it would lose its realness and I would want to find ways around that problem because otherwise people would be like, oh, I want to buy one of the items from Brady's sale

because it's this famous podcast. Which looked at from a different perspective is genius because it's basically if you want to get a heap of more money your stuff that it's worth you could create a podcast and talk about that is true but that's not my idea no no i think this is a great idea i like this idea yeah there's obviously a whole bunch of possessions early on that are that are precious you know might say oh here's a lovely sculpture or here's a favourite mug and that sort of thing. Harley Davidson bookends.

That's, well, obviously they wouldn't be sold. But the... Do you still have them? I'm trying to think if mum listens to my podcast still or not. Let's just say... I sense a Patreon perk coming here. All right. Let's just say... I sense a Patreon perk coming here.

This week's Patreon perk, a vial of Tim's tears and a Harley Davidson bookend. Look, let's just say they're out there somewhere. They're bringing great pleasure to someone. They've gone to live on the farm. All right. they've gone to live on the farm all right i don't think they made the transition when we moved our workplace from when we built a new building at the college and moved across i'm not sure they made it across so what's something of yours that not including obvious things like you know cars and houses and like major assets what What's something of yours that you

think would fetch a pretty penny that you might not expect? Well, you know, that you would expect, but like, what's a good one? For pure value. So nothing attached to sentiment or anything like that. Yeah. Just what's something that would deliver or like that you would make a good profit on for what it costs you to get to what it might be worth now. You know, what's a, what's going to be one of your showpiece items? I't know there's a few things that i've had handed down to me that i'm not sure what their value is right there's a few unique sort of coffee grinders and things like that and they could be antiques or they could be you know nothing much at all absolute tat yeah yeah sort of dutch your dad your dad's handkerchiefs well that's right you know following following the

last podcast i i went and got one of those like i was polishing my boots and i was needing something to sort of you know do the final wipe down and i asked my wife do we have a soft towel and she says literally said why don't you use one of your dad's old handkerchiefs had she listened to the podcast or no no so in the end i did go to the pile and i looked through and i found um i found one that looked i could still had a very recent tag on it like it's like a bandana or something that was born and i just ended up using it and it's gone into the um the little box that i have with shoe polish and stuff so i have started filtering through but i can't decide if that's really nice that you have that link like with your dad's handkerchief when you're polishing your shoes or it's really disrespectful that you're rubbing your shoes well it's i i know i know it's not one of dad's that

i'm using on my shoes but um okay it is also a high calling and i got nice boots and stuff so it's kind of like feels like an honorable thing to be polishing your boots too so yeah yeah i agree yeah but but they're not gonna get anything on ebay that's for sure i don't think i have anything of value in that respect i'm not sure i do i have a few signed like lps and things like that what's your best signed record what What's the best signed? Oh, no, actually, I've got a Harry Connick Jr. signed record, which is not going to be worth very much. Wouldn't that take the value down, having him to face it?

I've got some first edition books and I've got some signed books. So I've got some C.S. Lewis first edition books and they've got some signed books so i've got some cs lewis first edition books and they're worth a bit they're worth nice you know for a book a few hundred dollars that's for sure and i've got a few um things that are signed like paul oster novels and things like that that i've bought because they're favorite novels in my favorite author but they first edition sorts of things but again they're not massive on you. But you've got like space memorabilia and things like that, don't you? Like quite staggering. I've got so many signed astronaut pieces of memorabilia.

And a lot of those astronauts have died now. Yeah, yeah. And some good science sports memorabilia. I've got all sorts of stuff. And like, you know, all my old collector cards and things like that. Maybe some of them are worth something. I don't know. But it'd be more than what the money you make out of it.

Like, it's not like about making money, is it? It's about the story. No, no, absolutely. Like so many of these items have stories attached to them. Yeah, that's the thing. And you could talk about that and then it goes on. That's why I guess you'd have to do it before the episode, wouldn't you? If you don't want to draw attention to it, you put it on eBay, see how it went and then.

Yeah. Yeah. You can't meddle with the experiment by you'd almost want to do it after all after the fact or you'd have to yeah you'd have to be somehow be anonymizing what you're doing but but i think it would be i think it would be really good fun i think that's a good idea it'd also be fun selling it'd also be fun seeing what you could get on ebay for like your worthless stuff like what surprises you get, like, you know, if you put all your old pairs of socks on eBay, I'm selling 10 pairs of used socks. Yeah.

You know, would someone pay 10 cents for them? That's right. I don't know. That's right. And you can't do like reverse, like negative money. Like I'll pay you and postage to allow me to send this to you just to get rid of it. Another fun part of the podcast would be if you could and if the people were willing, tracking down the people who bought it and asking them to tell you why they bought it.

Oh, right, yeah. Like say, oh, hi, thanks for buying it. I'm actually doing a bit of a story about the things I sell. And a couple of the people might say, yeah, I'll tell you why I'm buying it. You know, oh, yeah, Brady, I'm buying your signed space picture because my, you know, I was always obsessed with that astronaut as a boy and i've always wanted to you know i once met that astronaut or you know i think it was i think people the people buying would have a story by the way people at this point i'm i do not know that this

idea exists but i know that it might and you're welcome to email us and contact us and say a podcast idea exists oh there's already a Shell podcast on that. That's cool. We like hearing about it. And we don't claim that every single idea we talk about has been researched to the nth degree. And we've checked that nothing exists like it anywhere in the world. It is an original idea to us, but it doesn't mean we had it first. It's absolutely original.

In fact, that's important. I never look up anything. So it's purely an idea. Because if you look hard enough, you'll always find something and then we'll have no unmade ideas to talk about. Yeah, and it also takes the interest out of talking about it too because you're like, oh, I know this is out there. In fact, I rarely go browsing podcasts at all.

I sort of have what I listen to and I i look for an interview with a person so i google a search for a person's name because i want to hear an interview with them or or something but i don't go do you just go browsing podcasts like no not often i've got my 10 or so that i like and i stick pretty much with them yeah hang on hang on i've got i've just thought of a great idea and i just need to write it down before I forget. Are you actually writing down ideas for future episodes? I am. Yeah.

Yeah. Good stuff. I'm proud of you. I was about to say, hey, that's a good idea. And then I thought, no, I'm looking at the clock and I'm going. Save it. I'm going to bank this one. Yeah.

Put it on the. I know I've got, I've got, I've had one during this episode as well that I've banked for future. I'm not throwing my pearl before swine, so to speak. No, don't do it. Keep it. Don't let it get lost in the torrent of brilliant ideas I'm having today. That's an avalanche. Your example. I've got.

If Shell already exists, don't tweet us and tell us it already exists. So I've got one more idea. Don't text and tweet us and tell us that Oryx is a shell sock. So I've got one more idea. There's been a long running thing between Tim and I, a long running disagreement between us about whether or not Tim can play the guitar. Because Tim claims to be able to play the guitar. I always think he's just one of those guys who owns guitars and strums them occasionally because he thinks it makes him look good so so anyway just lately

tim has taken to sending me uh little videos of himself playing his guitar which he's probably got out lately just to you know for fun and i have to say the little videos i've been getting kind of reinforced what i think because they're always just like a little section. Well, that's it. I'm not going to send you a whole song. I send you a three-second riff and you've got to guess the riff. Yeah, okay. That's the guess.

Okay. Okay. So, my idea for a podcast is called Jammin' with Tim. Not with a G. It's Jammin' with an N, little apostrophe. Jammin' with Tim. And this is a podcast where Tim just gets out his guitar and just works on his music and talks things through

and we just have a chat and we just jam. So, of course, this would require Tim to have his guitar in the office. Which is where I keep my guitar, actually. I do. Oh, really? I do keep a guitar at the office Just so I can If I'm thinking

I just go sit in the chair And like You know Pluck away a little bit And then Does that mean we're going to have A David Brent moment here And you're going to just

Get out the guitar for us? Well I just May happen Can you hear that fuzz? Yes That's the amp, is it? Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Jammin' with Tim. With alleged guitarist, Tim Hine. So, are we going to get a bit of smoke on the water to start with?

Man, you're really starting with the basics. Come on, that's what everyone plays when they first pick up a guitar. Yeah. That's even, you know how to play that, I think, don't you? No, I can't play. I naturally hold a guitar. If you give me a guitar, I hold it as what I believe a left-hander would hold it. That's how I feel like a guitar. If you give me a guitar, I hold it as what I believe a left-hander would hold it. That's how I feel.

I'm not a left-handed person, but my instinct when I hold a guitar is to hold the neck in my right hand and have my left hand for the playing. And I have no idea why that is. I think that shows how non-proficient I am with a guitar, that that just feels right to me. No, that's all right. Kurt Cobain, Jimi Hendrix. There's been a few good left-handed guitarists over the years so paul mccartney my my felt my birthday sharer is a left-handed guitarist yeah i mean he's more a bass player but sure you can getting a bit desperate there calling on paul mccartney come on

hey this is jamming with tim i think we've set the bar pretty low. How does Jammin' with Tim work? What happens here? I don't know. Are you working on any songs at the moment, Tim? Well, when you're stuck at home a lot, the temptation is to think that you could record an album. But recording an album requires a little bit more than, you know, like a couple of days, a couple of times a day wandering into the bedroom for 20 minutes just to sort of learn the news.

You know, Stephen Malcolm, a song or something. Worked for Mozart. No. That's right. Do you want to play a few things and see if i recognize any of them see if you recognize with them okay um i don't know what i want oh hang on hang on oh hang on i actually stuffed that up. Sorry. Yeah.

Oh, I've got the fingers wrong. You can edit this in later on with Mark Knopfler, obviously. Yeah. I actually just learnt this this week. I figured this out and sent it to you. I do know that one. Hang on. Everyone listening is going, Brady was right.

I'm not much of a Dire Straits fan, really, but I learned that a little bit to send it to you. I do. That's obviously the first guitar solo from Money for Nothing. I was a big fan of that album, Brothers in Arms, when I was a kid. That was actually the first album I ever bought as a cassette. And about a year ago, I was doing a bit of running and creating a playlist. And I put that song that I hadn't listened to for years on it. And I had the biggest smile on my face while I was listening to it.

Because it's just such a decadent, like, 80s rock and roll song. Like, it's so extravagant as a a song i love it i love it it's good it's good it's got sting on there too and yeah yeah yeah that's a good album you know i know i think this is a great album when i met you i think this was the only album you owned and i literally do i think i remember you saying it was the only one that was worth having or something like that. But I'd never, of course, I knew the singles, but I'd never listened to it. But it was only about, I don't know, five or six years ago that I listened to all the other tracks.

And a whole bunch of beautiful songs on there. Yeah, I think it's only got nine songs on it, but they're all crackers. Brothers in Arms is beautiful at the end. Brothers in Arms is great. So Far Away From Me is a great song Walk of Life is quite a fun song Your Latest Trick is a great song Yeah, Your Latest Trick is a good song Why Worry, I love those

They're very soft, sort of beautiful, delicate, lovely songs But it's not really my type of music But I do, that's a good one There we go, that one was for you Thank you very much This is Jamming with Tim. Why do you keep talking like you're an FM radio announcer? Oh, what was that?

Oh, that was just me. That was something original I'm working on, man. All right. I mean, one of the criticisms that you gave early on, this is when I was 16 and you'd sort of, someone would play a little riff and you'd be like, no one ever plays songs, you just play the little riff. And you don't, you never really quite understood that's part of

the enjoyment of guitar is actually just learning going oh i can play that now or when you hear a song you want to go i want to know how to play that how do i how do i play that and so you figure it out like when someone plays football or soccer at the park they don't go and like stand on their own for 10 minutes and run up and down a wing they just want to shoot goals well that's it that's right yeah yeah but also like you always asked you you always say you never play the whole song you only play that riff and you you seem to have not understood that most songs are the riff repeated over and over all the way through with only slight variations so playing the riff is kind of it and then you play it and you play the verse

chorus oh yeah and then that's it so you sort you sort of play that and that's like the sugar hit and then you, unless you're with a band actually performing, that's it, you want to move on to something else. You sort of figure it out. But does that mean being a guitarist in a band is quite boring, just playing riff over and over again? Oh, no, no, no, because it's enormously fun to play, but you sort of just, when you're with a band,

it's enjoyable following the song through with someone singing and all that kind of stuff. And I sometimes play and sing myself, particularly on the acoustic guitar, at home, and it's just enjoyable to be inside a song that you love. It's like, wow, now I can play that. You feel like you embody the song a little bit. Does your family like it when you play the guitar and sing? Define like. Do they ask you to stop they come up and whenever

i start playing they come up and interrupt with questions like just about other stuff around the house like could you please stop well and i think there are some fun songs that i've written for the girls over the years you know what i I mean? Like, they really love it. And so that's fun. So I still play them every night. Like Money for Nothing. That's right. Here's a little ditty I wrote for you.

And I used to have, when they were real little, it was time for milk and then bed. So I used to have, I wrote a song called The Milk Song. Like, and it just goes, this is the milk song over and over with a cool little riff. And then. Does that mean it would be like, okay, girls, it's time for bed. You girls get into bed and then you like roll in the amps and everything. And like. Yeah.

All right, girls, here's the milk song. Yeah. Milk. Yeah. Milk, milk. It's a death metal song. That's right. Oh, dear. Hang on. I'm just going to call Barry.

He's going to bring his drum kit over. That's right. It's a full performance. No, it's a song that's up there with some of Phoebe's finest work on Friends. You know, her guitar work. This morning you sent me the little opening part of Zoo Station, which I quite enjoyed. Can you give me a bit of that? Oh, well, that's very, very easy.

That's why I was sending that to you one bit at a time. It just goes. Yeah. And then the drums. Oh, yeah. Boom, boom, boom, boom. Yeah. That just goes on and on like that for hours Tim, I'm going to say

That's the first thing I've ever heard you play That made me think you're a bit cool Wow, really? I just like that little What is that? Is that like a lick or something? What is that? Yeah, it's the main riff, that bit

Yeah, yeah I can do most of Ak Tung Baby In fact, U2's music is very, very easy. Edge is very easy. Can you do Mysterious Ways? Well, no, no, no, because you need a special pedal for that. That's all in the sound. And that's the funny thing about the Edge is that lots of his stuff is very easy to play,

but he has amazing rigs that make it sound like it's a unique sound. That's what it is. It's a lovely sound. Yeah, I can play Ak-Tung Baby all the way through on just a an acoustic guitar and it sounds very empty a lot of the time but some of the songs are still very good play more of zoo station all right um well after that bit it goes up to um he goes and then he goes up a little bit higher and he goes... At first, then, that sounded a bit like you were going to play Mr Brightside. Can you do that Mr Brightside bit?

Mr Brightside? I don't know Mr Brightside, no. Oh, that would be cool. It sounded like you were about to do it then. I can look it up. Mr Brightside tabs. Here we go. Oh, at the start of it, you mean, where he goes... Yeah, that cool bit at the start. Intro and first verse. What is it? 16, 15., 13, 14 What has he got? That one's 80 He sort of seems to go around like that You're getting there This is Jammin' with Tim

Learning songs in real time That's not a bad idea And then he just goes down and down Yeah, a bit of work to do on that one, man I want that one by the end of the week. My favourite ever riff is by the band Sonic Youth, which people may or may not be familiar with, but they have a song called Teenage Riot,

and it starts off in with really really really sort of lovely sort of intro they go on like that for a while and then they go and it goes on from there how are we going to end the show? How are you going to see us out? Can you see us out? To end the show, can we hear a bit of milk? Okay. Okay. Thank you. That was Milk by Tim Hine, and you've been listening to Jammin' with Tim.

It's the milk song.