The Unmade Podcast - 47: Mispronunciation

Episode Date: June 5, 2020

Can I start by asking something? Go for it. Most weeks, like, we agree a time to start. You know, it's not set in stone or anything. It's not like we're launching to the space station, so it's not crucial. But usually what happens is about five or ten minutes after the time has elapsed, like, I'll send you a message saying, okay, are you ready? Like what's going on? And almost every time you'll then say, yep, let's do it right now.

As if you're almost just sitting there like in standby, waiting for the message. Or do I just coincidentally always text you at exactly the time that you're ready? I'm here. I'm generally here a few minutes before and I'm doing a bit of, you know, oh, hang on, it might help if I knew something about this idea. So, I'd like a quick research, but I am all set up, ready to go. So, you're just taking as much research time as you can until I basically force your hand into starting. There have been occasions when it's like, I hope he doesn't text. And then it's like, oh, no, I need to come up with an idea now. He's texted.

That's right. And if I'm really tapping a rich vein, which means I'm down a Wikipedia, you know, rabbit hole, then I'll ask for the proverbial two minutes. Hang on. Just a second. Technical problems. I'll pretend there's some technical difficulties or something like that. All right. What would you prefer? That as soon as I was ready, I told you I was ready and-

No, no, I have no preference. I just wondered why it was always such a coincidence that no matter what time I text, that's always the time you say, oh yeah, I'm ready right now. Oh, right. Yeah. I hadn't figured that you were just using the time to research. I thought maybe you were just like, you know, staring into space or something. the time to research, I thought maybe you were just like, you know, staring into space or something. Staring into space is just like an unhelpful way of saying thinking. Like thinking is a good thing. And generally when you're thinking, you're staring into space. But I mean, I wasn't thinking,

I was just staring into space, but it's a nice way of saying it. I've got a quick, just one of my quick fun ideas before we get started for real. So, Tim, like a few weeks ago now, we did our fiendish, bean dish quiz. Yes. And I remember afterwards, I was like texting you in the aftermath and you were telling me how the young people in your household had decided to create their own quiz that you were doing. Yes. And I think you remarked to me that you had just had the third question in a row to which the answer was Hermione. Hermione Granger from Harry Potter, yes. So, I had an idea for a weekly podcast, which is a weekly quiz, to which every single answer is Hermione.

It's just called the weekly Hermione quiz. That's great. Because, you know, you want to get the younger girl audience. It's a hard demographic to reach when you're two old dudes like us. So, this could be it for us. It could be. The weekly Hermione quiz. I have to say, yeah, quiz fever took over the house for a few days, like simply doing

a quiz and writing a quiz and here I'm going to give you a quiz was the thing. But there were a lot of questions derived from, you know, something they'd been doing in the last two hours. You know, it's that kind of research. How do you think my quizzes work? School teachers talk about this, that, you know, you ask the kids to write in school, you ask kids to write, make up a story once upon a time. And most of the time, you know, nine times out of ten, it's what was on TV last night. You know, it's just right there. Yeah.

Yeah. So, there was a bit of that. But Hermione Granger, you know, she looms pretty large. She looms pretty large. Let me test your knowledge, Tim. Let me test your knowledge, all right? Oh. She learned pretty large.

Let me test your knowledge, Tim. Let me test your knowledge, all right? Oh. Which character in the Harry Potter books has the middle name Jean? Jean? Hmm. I don't know. I'll guess Ron Weasley.

No, it's Hermione. Oh, really? I walked into that. I can't believe you gave me that gift. Seriously, yeah. Yes, well done. Which character in the Harry Potter video games 1 and 4 is voiced by Harper Marshall? Hang on.

Hermione Granger. Correct. Yeah. What was the first name of the English painter, Hammond, who was famous for her paintings of London when it was damaged by the Blitz in World War II? Well, okay. So, now I've got a 50-50 chance here. This could be, I'll say Hermione.

Correct. Correct. Yeah. What English super centurion who died on the 24th of October 2015, living to the age of 111 years and 237 days, and with the surname Cock, has a Christian name beginning with H? I'll go Hermione. Correct. Yes.

You're going to be good at this quiz. I agree. I tell you, I'd never heard the name Hermione before until I read the books. And I read the first three books. No one could say it. Well, that's right. Yeah. And I read the books before the first three books, No one could say it. Well, that's right. Yeah. And I read the books before the first three books before the movies came out.

So I didn't know that either. So I don't know how I was pronouncing it in my head, but I was perplexed and tripping over it every time I saw it. But since then, there's quite a few Hermione's around the place. And even on I love the show Cold Feet, a UK drama. And there's a an act one of the actresses, Hermione, and her name comes up on the credits. And so it's like, oh, okay. They do exist outside the Potter universe.

What actress in the TV show Cold Feet? Can't believe you said Ron Weasley. Ron Weasley. Honestly, I thought, oh, here we go. There's a few. This is going to be Harry Potter related. Here we go. Yes.

Sorry. That was another occasion where I was staring into space as opposed to thinking. So, Tim, I had an idea for a podcast that I was thinking a lot about last night. Like, I was verging on being prepared. Yep. that I was thinking a lot about last night. Like I was verging on being prepared. Yep.

And then I had another good idea about 15 minutes ago that's got me all enthused and I want to do that one. Right. But the natural one to do now based on the conversation we just had is my original idea from last night. Okay. All right. What do I do? Well, I've never had two ideas in a row before.

Not good ideas anyway. So, I have no experience to advise you from. I'm going to go with my idea from last night. Because you discussed that you found it difficult to pronounce Hermione, which I also find difficult to pronounce, I'm going to talk to you about a podcast idea I've had, which is called mispronunciation. Oh, yes.

And that name is a deliberate mispronunciation. Oh, yes. And that's a deliberate, that name is a deliberate mispronunciation. Oh, right. Because in fact, most people say mispronunciation, but you're supposed to say mispronunciation. Ah, yes. It's pronouns and mispronounce, but pronunciation. But mine's called mispronunciation, just to sort of lay down the marker of the show. And are you going to spell it in the incorrect, frenetically, you know what I mean? I think it would be funnier to spell the name correctly, but say it incorrectly.

Yes, yes. Okay. Yep. And now, I like this idea, but give me a bit more of the premise. Where's it going to go? And now, I like this idea, but give me a bit more of the premise. Where's it going to go? Well, the household I live in, I am, in my heart, Australian. And my wife is English. And my wife is also a real pronunciation zealot. Yes.

Like, she's really into things being pronounced correctly. And she also finds it amusing when people mispronounce things. And being with an Australian, she thinks Australians mispronounce everything. Yes. So, we were having a big discussion about it last night, words that I pronounce or previously have pronounced incorrectly, many of which I have been rewired over the last sort of, well, 18 years now. So, I've had a lot of rewiring done. And now, like, i can appreciate some of the

australian mispronunciations i thought i'd go through a few words to see to test you because you're still you're still a true aussie so i'm depending on you to to mispronounce a bunch of words okay so this is you want me to just simply pronounce these lines? Just tell me. Just say the word. Go with them? Just don't overthink it. Don't overthink it.

Just say the word. Okay. Okay. You don't want me to give what a classic Aussie would respond with if they were mincemeat? No, no. Just what you would say in conversation. Can I just add at this point a slight comment? And that is that there's a pitter-patter of rain happening on the roof at the moment.

So, if people – now, I don't think it's of any concern. Is this like – are you pre-making an excuse for any things that you mispronounce? Oh, that wasn't me. That was the rain. I was – No, what – I was distracted by the rain. I'm just saying there could be – it could add a certain could add a certain ambiance to this little word game

A certain ambience That's right A little je ne sais quoi A little je ne sais quoi Alright, let's start with An Australian cricketer walks out to bat and it's his first ever test match. So he is making, what do you call it when he's playing his first ever match?

It's a word starting with D. It's a D-butt. It's a D-butt. Don't be silly. It's a debut. Debut. Or debut. Ah, you've already, you're already second guessing yourself

because you know what traps you're walking into. Yes, I know. Australians will say debut, which I said all my life. Like, you know, it's a big part of Australian culture making your debut in cricket. 50 on debut for Ricky Ponting. I think by the time the test debut came around. There it is.

100 on debut. But, of course, it's a debut. Yes. But you watch still the Australian commentators. Here he is on his test debut. Debut. That's right. Debut.

Now, let's go for another one, because this is interesting, because you're not South Australian, and this is more of a South Australian one. What do you call the toy bricks that you can use to make things? Ah, well, see, this is true. See, I've encountered this. I grew up with it as Lego. Right. But I know here in Adelaide, it's Lego. Yeah. What is it around the world? What is it in England? Lego. Yeah, right. Only South Australians call it Lego. Really?

Really? Okay. And a few other places I've learned, but yeah. Alright, what do you call the Italian food category in which you'd find things like penne and spaghetti and things like that? I call it pasta. Pasta. Yes. Not pasta. Who calls it pasta?

Is that an Americanism? Well, over here in England. My problem is now sometimes I get confused as to which one's wrong and which one's right, because I've just been torn in two for so long. But it's pasta. Pasta over here. And your wife has a cane ready to slam down on the desk if you get in trouble. Yes. What do you call the thing that Balfours make that will have, like, potato and meat and stuff in it?

Oh, a pasty. You mean a pasty. A pasty. Yes. Again, that's a pasty. In England, it's a pasty.. Oh, a pasty. You mean a pasty. A pasty, yes. Again, that's a pasty. In England, it's a pasty. Yeah, not a pasty. I get laughed at when I call it a pasty.

I'm afraid they've got that wrong. I take umbrage. What do you call the dairy product that's kind of like fermented and, you know, you can have strawberry flavour or vanilla and all sorts. Comes in little pots. In little pots. Starts with a Y. Since the very beginning, mankind has enjoyed the taste of natural yoghurt.

That's why Derryvale have gone back to the very beginning with Eve yoghurt. Derryvale Eve yoghurt. Nature's own gift to mankind. I know yoghurt. I's own gift to mankind. I know yogurt. I've heard this in many English films. Love Actually is the one where I always trip up on it when Alan Rickman says. Yeah, Australians call it yogurt, but it's yogurt. Yogurt.

Is it yogurt everywhere else? What do the French call it? Yoplait. It's French for yogurt. You play. It's French for yogurt. That's another thing from an ad as a primary school kid that I believed for years and years. Yogurt is French for yogurt.

Okay. Famous town or city in Tasmania, beginning with L. Launceston. Yeah. But Launceston is said by whom? Well, it's named, there is a place called that in England, which I assume it's named after. And here it will be called Launceston.

Oh. Or Launceston. You don't even say the T, but, or Launceston. Launceston or Launceston, not Launceston. Here I am in Launceston, the second largest city in Tasmania. Oh, yay. Oh, yay. Welcome to Launceston, the ancient capital of Cornwall. It's incredible they've got that wrong for so many hundreds of years over there, man.

I really think the English need to take a good hard look at themselves. What's a nut? Famous nut beginning with A. Almond. Yes. See, that's another one where I think Australians tend to like say R as if it's spelt with an R. An almond. Almond. Yes. See, that's another one where I think Australians tend to like say R as if it's spelled with an R, an almond, like army. Yes. Not almond. Almond. Yes. We say almond. What's the city in England starting with N where I used to live and Robin Hood is from there? Nottingham.

Nice. So, I think you've unlearned the ham. You don't say Nottingham. Nottingham. Nice. So, I think you've unlearned the ham. You don't say Nottingham. Nottingham, yes. But most Australians will say Nottingham. Yeah, yeah. I've probably said it enough to say Nottingham. What's the game console that Sonic used to be on, starting with S? Sega.

So, you say Sega. Well, I think I've learned that i think i said sega as a kid when i've spoken of it recently when it's come up in relation to you know like youth group activities and that sort of stuff i've said sega because i think everyone else does but i'm pretty sure i said sega as a kid is what did you what is the right one i said i said sega as a kid right uh everyone i know over here seems to say Sega. I grew up calling it Sega. Sega Mega Drive.

But now here you'd say Sega Mega Drive. Did you know that Sega video games are available for rental from your local video store? Did you know that Sega Master Systems are also available for rental? Did you know that Sega leads the world in the development of new and exciting video games. I think I recall hearing Sega later on. But can I say, as a kid, everyone in Tarelgon, country Victoria, said Nike. Well, that's next on my list. Oh, really? Yeah.

Yeah. Well, so I was a teenager before I heard Nike. And I thought, that's being mispronounced. But it is Nike. But we said for years and years. My wife calls it Nike, and Nike is correct. Because she says Nike, that's, like, correct, apparently. But it is Nike.

The boss of Nike has said it's Nike. Yes, yes. They have a reasonably strong communications department. Like, they do advertise pretty heavily around the world. But that's a fair, very even split between people that say Nike and Nike. Wow, that's interesting. Yeah. What do you call the car make beginning with N-I-S?

Very common. Nissan. Yeah. See, is it Nissan or Nissan? Oh, okay. Nissan sounds right as well now i think i think it might be nissan is correct but we say nissan i i would say nissan but i think it's nissan on the sneakers though the americans have the strange adidas pronunciation whereas we've always stopped what's the point of even being here if you're going to go ahead and do all the words on my list? Oh, sorry.

I was just thinking I was jumping. I didn't want to get too far ahead from the sneakers. But Adidas is strange. And yet that's what the American, you know, it's their brand. I assume. It's a German brand. It's German. I don't know if it's Adidas or Adidas.

I say Adidas. T-A-C-O. Taco. Taco. See, that's how I would have said it in Australia. Over here, I think you're going to get taco. Are they tacos or tacos? I don't know.

I'm not going to eat a taco. It's, yeah, it sounds like a piece of stationery. What about T-O-R-T-I-L-L-A? Tortillo. Or Tortilla, isn't it? Tortilla, yeah. See, again, I think Australians like the L, but you don't say the L, it's Tortilla. Oh, right, okay.

Not Tortilla. That's probably my ignorance. No, well, I don't know. I think it's just cultural too. Anyway, people love hearing how other people pronounce things. Yes, they do. I think we're on a win. And it's a very obviously podcasty audio thing.

I reckon that's a winning podcast. Like when you meet people from other countries, you just love sitting around talking about how you pronounce things or what you call things. Everyone's always absolutely convinced their pronunciation is correct. I also think it gives people this little feeling of superiority hearing other people pronounce things in ways that they think is incorrect. Yes.

Yes, that's true. Like when you're doing a quiz show and you know the answer and someone else doesn't. It is fascinating to hear this conversation. I remember sitting with someone who was an actor and she went through the different American accents with aplomb. Like she just went through, you know, saying, well, here you go. Here's, you know, the Midwest and then across and back and up and forward. And you just go, oh, that's fascinating to hear how this happens and how the accents work and the different then pronunciations of words and the different parts of new york is

just hilarious as well do you say schedule or schedule i say schedule i don't even know which one's correct anymore schedule on the schedule i say schedule schedule feels like it's gonna run away from me like you know my mouth's gonna fall apart you're like you've got to say schedule it's nice hard you know what i mean nice hard word you know everything's concrete schedule hamani or hamani hamani i still can't say that i think the reason daniel radcliffe was paid so much to play harry potter was because he had to say hamani so many times i think now i'm thinking back on it reading the book I think in my head I was saying Hermoin I really do yeah yeah Hermoin yeah probably I was probably saying something like that yeah back when you made your Harry Potter debut that's right

there is a funny I also am a bit of a pronunciation like Nazi in the sense that not that I'm Pronunciation Tim, pronunciation Pronunciation, indeed Touche Touche Touchy I don't think I have any great knowledge.

I just find myself, I'm just one of the personalities that corrects people. I do it with my wife all the time and it drives her nuts. Yeah, she has my sympathy. Just, oh yeah, yeah, let's do it. I'll just jump in. I'll just say it. My wife has two reactions to my mispronunciations, which are frequent. And both of them drive me crazy.

One is to correct me, which obviously I hate. And the other one is to laugh at me, which I hate even more. So, if someone mispronounces something around me, I will generally just not say anything. Well, I won't either in a polite company. Like, you wouldn't at work or you wouldn't unless- It's only if you're mucking around. And I do it mucking around, but I've done it mucking around for so long with my wife it's become habitual i tell you what i know i do it because when i listen back to the podcast

i know how to pronounce something but you misspeak and trip over your lips and words all the time yeah i say things i didn't know i said i'll finish a sentence differently to how i wanted to finish the sentence and Should finish the sentence but it will just Something else will have Come in, I mean come out It's the way it goes man It's the way it goes

It's a tough job being an international professional podcaster That happens to you with guitar solos as well In your head it sounded one way And yet when you hear it back... For example, when I play this back, is this how you remember it? I'm sure it sounded completely different to you at the time. What can I say? My fingers misspoke. You mispronounced money for nothing.

That's right. I have a colleague at work with impeccable, not just, you know, pronunciation, but, you know, elocution, like she will pause and say precisely what she wants to say and say it perfectly and beautifully. And it's something to behold. I almost sometimes feel like in a faculty meeting, just stopping and having like a small round of applause because I'm like, well, that's just marvellous the way it's flowed forward. Nice.

I should be doing this podcast with her. Indeed. Oh, undoubtedly. Can she play guitar? Thankfully not. So she'll fit right in. You stole my line. Nice.

Stay tuned, people, for Mispronunciation, a podcast dedicated to how people pronounce things, rightly or wrongly. Is there a such thing as right or wrong pronunciation? I don't know. I have a classic example that came up actually in our home recently of this. That is we were watching a show, Lego Masters, and it's a very addictive, fantastic competition,

reality TV, where they make really cool Lego. It certainly affected the Unmade Podcast recording schedule for a number of weeks. Oh, indeed, indeed. Yes, we can't start until after Lego Masters. They would be talking all the time about, you know, the story that needs to be told by your creation and the skill that's being

demonstrated and then finally aesthetics and that's a tough one there was quite a lot of aesthetics coming across which is perfectly fine except it occurred week after week after week and many times, like every time something was being judged. And so it was one of those, you'd think the floor manager or someone would say, okay, everyone, let's come together. Let's do it one time. Aesthetics. Okay. But it would come up again. And so it actually became a funny thing that we started saying around the house quite often.

So you're saying it should have a rather than a t? Aesthetics, yes. Because I'm not even sure myself how to say it. Aesthetics is how it was coming across. And that's wrong. It is very important. I mean, someone may have a speech impediment, which is an entirely forgivable situation. But there was a variety of people where it was coming up. And I like i'm not sure that word means what you know you're saying the word i was going to say that line from the princess bride yeah i'm sure that word means what you think it means yes yes inconceivable i've i think i've mentioned oh no i have talked about um fiance before as fiancy when i was a kid but yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah was it you who thought it was Fiancy?

Yes. That's another one. I'd read it in books all my life as Fiancy, and then I said it out loud. And I was like, it was like, I know the word fiancé, but I didn't know that was the word fiancé. I was like, oh, they match. There's another one as well that the prime minister, Julia Gillard, said. Oh, what was it? In a press conference. She's, oh, give me a second, man. Well, that, oh, what was it, in a press conference?

Oh, give me a second, man. Well, that's another one that people say incorrectly a lot. Instead of prime minister, people just say pri-minister. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pri-minister instead of prime minister. Pri-minister. Pri-minister. I mean, I would do that.

I'd do that. Pri-minister. Oh, yes. Hyperbole. Hyperbole. Oh, yeah. That's, yeah, yeah Minister. Oh, yes. Hyperbole. Hyperbole. Oh, yeah. That's- Yeah, yeah.

Well, she said hyperbole instead of hyperbole. She said hyperbole. Julia got a- Yeah, and it was like, hyperbole? That's hyperbole. But again, that's the one I think people have very few occasions to use the word hyperbole. And so- But they may see it written many times and then she misspoke yes hyperbole is like

the ultimate american football game that's right there's the super bowl and then the hyperbole it's it's hard to think of something being hyped more than the super bowl but actually it's hyped so much they actually call it the hyperbole even we're admitting this thing is over the top anyway that's probably enough of uh mispronunciation can i just do a quick little sponsorship message today's episode has been brought to you by you the listeners patreon supporters or is it patreon who knows yeah Either way, go to patreon.com slash unmadefm or patreon.com slash unmadefm. I like Patreon. And you can support the show. You like Patreon?

What do you call it? Patreon. Patreon, not Patreon. And I think the connection I make is with the word they're being patriotic by signing up to our podcast. It's patronage. Oh i know but i mean i feel like maybe if you're a good patron then you're patriotic you're patriotic patriotic that's right yes come on people be patriotic to the podcast that's not going to catch on but that's not going to stop us

t-shirt i'mshirt, I'm patriotic. I'm patriotic. How are you placed, Tim, for an idea? Yeah, I've got an idea. I've got one and it's a bit of a, it's been sitting there a while because it's a reliable idea. I'm not sure you're going to love it, which is why it hasn't come out. It's been fermenting, has it?

It's been fermenting. It's been stewing. Indeed. Maturing like a fine wine. Indeed that's right and today I am uncorking Hopefully it's not corked Hopefully it will not pour forth like vinegar. Alright Look this is called my favourite record store. Right. This is something that I actually would really love.

I mean, what else do you have to say, Tim? Now, you know how there's records, right? And you know how you can buy them in shops. Yeah. Well, I've merged those two concepts together to form this podcast idea. i love the idea of people now again this again it explains itself but let me give a justification for my idea and why that why i think there could be um all right why i would enjoy enjoy it well i think i could probably figure out why you the music hound who loves old records would enjoy this idea but again don't let me don't let me stop you

basically i just want to talk about record stores for a while. So just give me a minute. I can edit all this out later. I will say before we go ahead with this, because I'm looking forward to the conversation. I understand as much as anyone. I think everyone listening understands the Unmade podcast is only partly about podcast ideas. And then it's a chance for us just to have a chat.

But I don't know how many times you're going to get away with either my favorite or my first whatever you want to talk about that day which is my first hamburger my favorite pizza well it's my favorite color they're genuinely things that generally because i want to know them. Like my first mispronunciation. My first. All right, Tim, what's your favourite record store? I'm dying to hear. Well, my favourite record store is Big Star Records, but that's. Where is that?

There were several of them around South Australia. There is still the last remaining one, which I believe was the first one on McGill Road in Norwood. But there were several. And the one that meant a lot to me was over near Marion. It was over the road from Marion Shopping Centre, which is just over the road from my house, basically. And it was marvellous. It was marvellous. It was old, sort of crappy building, dodgy carpet carpet packed full of

heaps of secondhand records cool staff like high fidelity sitting around making like top five lists and stuff no there was just one guy there yeah and um he was friendly but a real introvert so i always liked the idea of sort of you know hanging out and chatting a little bit but he didn't like that and so it it was, he kept to himself. I forgot, I did know his name, but I've forgotten what his name was, but we didn't chat a lot, but he was one of those guys.

I would see him three times a week for years and years. He's always standing there and it's marvellous. You go in, it feels at home. You know exactly where to look because things are new and there's, some things have been there for so long The same faded posters and all that sort of stuff There's something Yeah definitely

What's the picture in your head? Is there a poster or something you remember really well? I remember the old wooden blue Sort of you know Shelving and that kind of stuff I remember old Kiss There was always an old Kiss album Rock and roll over LP That was just at the end of the aisle that you'd see. Marilyn Manson poster was on the wall.

That was reasonably new, I guess, in the middle of the 90s. But yeah, some dodgy cassettes for sale as well. And I kind of wish I'd bought all them now. You know, they're just great. How often would you make purchases? Like, what proportion of the times you visited was just to browse versus to actually fork out some money? Well, whenever I got paid, which I think was fortnightly.

So, I'd buy something every fortnight. Oh, you're so cute. You sound like Charlie Bucket looking through the window of the candy shop but not able to buy anything. Yeah, yeah. Finds a coin in the street and goes and buys a single record. It was incredible because it was back in the day when we had no money except for the measly amount that I earned from a part-time job. Yeah.

But CDs were way more expensive. You know, they were $30. So the reason why I love the secondhand store is that at least they were $15, so they were cheaper. But also there was other, you know, rare stuff you can get and live albums and all that kind of stuff. But I would get things and I would save up money, but also would take another record i would save up money but also would take another record i didn't like as much so and take it over there and say well how much

would you give me for this one and with this bit of money um and if i buy something straight away in the store will you give me a little bit more for it and then when i went to because you're a good haggler too you're unlike me you're quite good at like because you're quite you're a lot more bolshy than me you're a bit at like because you're quite you're a lot more bolshy than me you're a bit more like you know you're a bit more bolsy and willing to like like i'd be too shy to say will you give me five bucks off but you're like you never care about doing that do you you're quite courageous in that way oh well back then it was life or death you know you either get it was survival yeah making it sound like it's surviving on the mean streets.

Trying to get five bucks off a kiss record. It was life or death. There was no choice. It wasn't. It was get five bucks or be eaten. There was no bread for the family that night. Yeah, instead of buying a record, you took a loaf of bread home for your mum that's right that's well the best thing about when i started reviewing cds for the the uni paper you'd get a cd for free to review and that was like amazing so you either it was a good one that

you kept or you were able to take it down to the second-hand store and exchange it and get some money for you know to buy something else that store and exchange it and get some money for you know to buy something else that you wanted to buy and there was always a long list of stuff there to buy so there was a lot of exchange and bartering going on that's for sure i remember when i worked at the newspaper my like like my housemate and best mate who you know you know was like the features editor of the paper so he was in charge of music reviews and all that sort of stuff yeah yeah so he would get sent all the cds and he would just give them out to us for free yeah like reporters in exchange for us writing a review so he'd

occasionally give me some cds and say can you review a couple of these and you know how little i know about music like i know nothing it's just terrible and i have no appreciation for it as well but i but i liked having c CDs and listening to them occasionally. And I look back now at some of the albums that he gave me to review. Like, they ended up being really, like, important, good albums that, like, you know, now have a place in history. And I wrote these crappy reviews of them just knowing nothing about them. I remember Fiona Apple's first album was given to me when she was, just unknown and i write like this four sentence review saying oh yeah it sounds pretty good i liked a couple of the songs it's like now it's just like really it's this great album now

and i'm really embarrassed like she succeeded despite your your review earlier i know i remember i remember he was supposed to interview radiohead one day when they were in adelaide and then he got sick that morning and asked me to go and interview them in his place because he was just like he was too sick to get out of bed and i didn't know who radiohead was and i was sent out and i was interviewing like the greenwood brothers oh really like and i didn't know a single radiohead song or anything all i did was look at their website for a couple of minutes when websites were new and all i remember asking them was, oh, your website's really cool. Who did that?

And how are you liking Adelaide? Do you think you'd like to come back one day? Which is all you do when you're a local journalist. Do you like our city? Do you think you want to come back? Oh, yes, yes. I actually didn't know that story. That's great.

I remember them saying, oh, we have, you know, you've got a cool festival. We'd love to come back to the festival one day. You know, being polite. Yeah. And I remember the story I wrote the next day was all about, we'd love to come back to Adelaide to the festival one day. Radio head moving to Adelaide.

I remember walking into the room and it was like, it was full of like 50 guys who were all like, you know, probably just like that guy that owns the record store that you were talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All the music fans in trench coats and with like neckbeards and from the local music rags there. And meeting Radiohead was like the moment of their life. And then I swat in from the advertiser and go to the front of the queue and take the Greenwood Brothers up to the top deck of the Hilton for some photos, knowing absolutely nothing about them. Where the heck was I this day? Why wasn't I informed that this was going on?

You were out in the mean streets trying to earn bread for your family. Oh, God. They were there. That was 97. I saw them on that tour in Adelaide. Oh, well, I mean, you know, good for you. I was just having drinks with them on that tour in Adelaide. Oh, well. Oh, well, I mean, you know, good for you. I was just having drinks with them up on the balcony at the Hilton. Oh, give me a break.

That's good. Do you like Adelaide? Do you? I like your website. Thinking of building an Adelaide Oval stand, a new Adelaide Oval. What do you think about that? What's it like being brothers goodness gracious that was a that's a bit of a tim moment for you that's the sort of

thing that you're always saying happens to me but except i would have would have wanted to meet them but yeah well done man i remember uh my girlfriend at the time who also worked at the paper uh one time was the the president of uefa which is like a big deal like one time was the president of UEFA, which is like a big deal, like UEFA, the head of all European football, he had like a heart attack or a big health issue while he was in Adelaide for some reason, for some football thing. And she got sent out to interview him and didn't know who he was or just that he was an important guy who'd had a heart attack.

And so she went out to interview him and she was like can you tell me who you are and he was like i am leonard johansson she goes oh and what's your job title yeah i like like he's i am president of uefa can you spell that you you yeah yeah what does uefa? Football, as in Aussie rules football? Oh, you mean soccer? Soccer, that's great. Anyway, we all get sometimes, yeah. But that's sometimes the best thing, because you're to interview people outside your area of expertise. Because if they sent this huge music fan to go and interview Radiohead

for a small article that was to go on the news pages, people reading the news pages don't care about their you know their musical influences or their direction for their next album people reading the news pages do only care about do you like adelaide that's well yeah indeed yeah yeah although if i was editor i would have done a special wraparound cover page with radioheading special lift outicated the whole edition You would have made them guest editor That's right, we do this for the Grand Prix Why aren't we doing it for Radiohead? Come on

Anyway, favourite record store Yeah Big Star Records, Introverted Guy, Blue Shelves But it closed down, obviously Yes, it did, yeah I came back to visit I was living in Melbourne then and finding other haunts. But I came back and it was gone.

In fact, the whole building had been demolished and there was like a dry cleaner there instead, which was a... I mean, that's just a real devastation, really. But there should be one of those little parks put up there. Have you seen High Fidelity? Yeah, I mentioned it 15 minutes ago. What about the new series, though? Have you seen that? They've made a series of it.

Oh, no, I didn't know that. There's like a TV series of it, isn't there? Oh, right. Is it set in a record store? It's exactly the same, except they've sort of swapped many of, like the Jack Black character is now played by a woman and the Rob character is now a woman as well. But they kind of got the same storyline,

so I was a little bit put off by it in the first episode. And it's more about the love than the music. I just want them standing around talking about music. But then they're falling in and out of love and going on dates and all that kind of stuff. And that's less of interest. All this human interaction and relationships. I just want to hear top five lists of songs. Totally.

That's all I want to do. Yeah. That was the great thing about the novel is that it got the music stuff right. You know, Nick Hornby. So that's very important. It's a dream place to be if you could, at the end of the day, just have a magnificent record store and spend an inordinate amount of time there. That's bliss. have a magnificent record store and spend an inordinate amount of time there that's um that's bliss before we do an idea from a patron because because you've brought up like high fidelity and

top five song lists and stuff like that yes can i just mention one jokey idea i had yesterday that i'm sure i'll probably never do as an old whole podcast so we might as well do it now for sure i had an idea for a podcast which is called called Desert Island, Desert Islands, where you come on the podcast and talk about the five desert islands you'd most like to go to. That's very good. Yes. There's not much else. There's nowhere much to take that. I just like the name.

There's not much else. There's nowhere much to take that. I just like the name. I do like the idea of being on a desert island and then going, you know what? There are five other desert islands I would rather have been stuck on than this one. Not worried about survival, worried about, ah, damn it. Why didn't I get the other desert island? What is a desert island?

You don't really get islands that are like deserts. It doesn't mean they're deserted or. Maybe it does mean deserted island. Why is it called a desert island? Maybe, what's the etymology of it? A remote tropical island, typically an uninhabited one. So, why desert? Maybe they do mean desert. The desert...

According to Wikipedia. Is actually an archaic form of deserted. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. Oh, it does come from deserted, right? Yeah, that makes more sense. Most of them look like absolute paradise. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Except they haven't got, like, nice restaurants on them and overseas villas with butlers and stuff. Yeah. Or record stores. Or record stores. That would be your ideal desert island, like, in the Maldives or something. Like, it's just one that's just got, like, five record five record stores on it and like a nice buffet. It would be cool. You've just got your favourite record store on the island.

That'd be great. Just full of like, it's beautiful warm weather, but it's just full of all these geeky guys with jeans and hoodies. Hoodies? I don't wear a hoodie. Hang on. I take umbrage and hoodie but i i tell you it would be great to be able to do your desert island discs and then like well here they are yeah okay sitting on the beach coming up with your list and then just walk across to the other side of the island where all the record stores are different one every day oh that's yeah that's magnificent do you want to hear from a patreon supporter i do i do yeah this comes from jamie uh jamie is from hemel hempstead in oh here's

here's one do you know how to pronounce this you got you're ready i'm going to spell it to you yeah Yeah. H-E-R-T-F-O-R-D-S-H-I-R-E. Hertfordshire. No, it's Hertfordshire. Hertfordshire, is it? It's the shire or the shir that is... Yeah, lots of... That's another thing that you seem to have unlearned that a lot of Australians do when pronouncing county names in England. You don't say Shire, like you don't say Derby Shire or Nottingham Shire. You do say Shear, which is more correct. Anyway, Jamie's from Hemel Hempstead, which is in Hertfordshire, which is famous for its magic roundabout. Google it if you're interested. He says, I'm an IT guy at an oil company, not a huge amount to talk about there, and they wouldn't want me to. I'm married with two young sons and have a three-year-old, a Springer Spaniel.

She is nuts. I'm assuming that's the Springer Spaniel and not like his wife. This email was written quite a while ago and therefore relevant at the time, less so now. He says, my first car, another of Tim's idea, my first car. He says his first car was a Mark II Ford Fiesta and he thinks Doctor Who is rubbish. Oh, indeed. Yes. He's never been to Australia.

He does all his podcasts listening in the car as he spends two and a half hours a day on the road getting to work and back. That is a long commute. And here we go. He says, the first ever podcast idea I had was actually the same as Dad Boot Camp. That's one of Tim's old ideas. I got excited when Tim started talking about the same idea and then sunk when Brady tore it to pieces. I don't remember tearing it to pieces.

I thought it was all right, didn't I? I can't remember. I remember you saying that there was a... Oh, I can't remember. remember you saying that there was a i can't remember maybe i'll do character pieces you don't listen to anything i say you never listen so here he says he says i've been back to the drawing board and came up with an idea called how do you do question mark The premise was born out of a recurring conversation I have with my wife around this time of year. This was written close to Christmas, where we talk about how we did Christmas when we were children, as her little family traditions were different to mine. So, that episode would be called, How do you do Christmas? And the host guests could talk about how they do Christmas, like presents getting open first thing,

kids stockings in the bedroom or downstairs, is dinner at lunch or at tea time, what games are played, et cetera, et cetera. I like the idea of how do you do topics being really basic, even mundane things. The topic is ostensibly just a jumping off point for a conversation about the different ways people do every day or commonly experience things. And I think it could tease out some interesting little nuggets about human ways.

Here are a few examples. How do you do holidays or vacations? How do you do decorating? How do you do housework? How do you do household finances? How do you do photos? How do you do exercise? I like the idea of some of the topics being really open to interpretation. So the photos one could invite a conversation about photographic techniques, subjects, sharing photos online, creating albums, looking back at photos, anything really. Anyway, thanks for doing what you do. I really enjoy being a fly on the wall for your conversations and hope you can have some fun with my idea. Merry Christmas, Jamie. Merry Christmas, Jamie, for December 2017. How do you do Christmas? Well, I do it in June. That's it.

I mean, that's a solid, solid, solid idea. Good podcast. Very impressive. A bit too good for this show, even. I mean, there's not much to say there really is there I mean No In terms of a jumping off point for you and I I mean there's a thousand jumping off points already so Yes You could have an episode called How do you do

How do you do podcasts Oh indeed that's right Well let me ask man How do you do How do you do a podcast episode Which of the examples intrigued you the most? Which of his examples? I would enjoy, if I was going to listen to one of those with you and I on it,

I would quite enjoy listening to How Do You Do Housework. Oh, right, yeah. Like, I'd love to hear about how you do housework. Really? Okay. Well, not right now. Not in reality, only in theory. Of all the things that you would classify as housework and chores around the house,

what one do you enjoy the most? Like, what's the one that you think, actually, you know, I quite enjoy, you know, doing the hoovering and the vacuuming or washing the dishes or, you know, is there one that you'd like, like a, like a chore you like, like, that's my, that's my thing. There's not really any that I like. There are some that I feel satisfied when they're done. And so just they become almost an automatic part of life. We've talked before about clothes washing and how we go about washing the clothes.

And I'm just always on top of that because I despise having, you know, not having all the clothes. So I like to get everything back perfect in the cupboard and there's hardly anything in the, you know, in the wash basket. So I'm always on top of that. I would not have guessed that about you. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah.

So you just, there's a million things and so you're forever just doing a little, like different things all the time just to remain on top of them. And there's something satisfying that when you you know sit out at the end of the night they're all sort of done or you know what i mean you start the next day and i know my wife is good and she is far more diligent i think in in log statistics tell us you know most marriages um there's a disproportionate amount of it is done by one person in if there's a female person then it's the female person like

tim tim giving a lesson in political correctness here well it's just the female person well i don't want to be stuck well well then you've characterized women as having to do all and of course not it's just statistics tell us it goes that way tim i think when you said the female person people knew what you were saying okay okay let me make it by my wife and your wife yeah um and i work hard but she does more like i do my bit but i'm less good at it and she also has command and control over certain processes that you know what i mean need to be done properly and i'm merely an employee in these tasks yeah you're a stormtrooper to her darth vader indeed indeed yes yes but but but no matter how much like i think i'm going to get up to middle management or going to get promoted if i do but i'm not i'm just going to be basically, okay, you get to stay alive for another day.

The problem in relationships, and this is a trait often exhibited by the male person, is when they have done something around the house, like when I do something around the house, there is this kind of expectation that you should be like. Thanked or applauded or like it should be shouted from the rooftops you should be presented with a medal and something like you're whoa so put those bins out like like and you think that everything should stop and go oh my god you put the bins out you're amazing you deserve a guard of honor as you walk back to the house i think i think men have a problem from my experience with the with the fact they don't get the recognition they feel they should get for doing like just basic household things that everyone is supposed to do that's right yeah yeah and that comes out of a sense that they're really doing something different to what their mum expended expected basically

or they think they've done it in an exceptional way like when like a few times lately i've done like big hooverings of the house like spent an hour you know one of those ones where you get down on your hands and knees and go under all the beds and everything and do a proper vacuum clean of the house yes otherwise known to a female person as just doing the vacuuming well as opposed to when in fact it's as opposed to my normal way of vacuuming which was just to like vaguely wave the wand somewhere in the direction of the dust so but then but then afterwards you think you've done it in a way that has never been done before like you've just summited everest and like you're almost like oh gosh my arms are killing me after that one

and i never like you've found new ways to vacuum. There's a seed, I think, in that feeling of self-satisfaction that's almost like, well, I've done it properly now. It won't need doing ever again. Like it's once and for all. Two or three weeks later when you're asked if you'd mind vacuuming the house. Are you kidding? Did you see what I did three weeks ago?

We fixed this properly. I spent extra time on it. That's it for the year. There's no way the dust is going to get back under that bed now. That's right. It wouldn't dare. Yeah. Permanently de-dusted the house.

Did you not see what I did to the previous dust? There's no way it's going to even risk going back there No, no, that's right You know how you've got this thing, this obsessiveness about clothes by the sounds of it Does that transpose to other members of the family? Like, will you wash all the kids' clothes and make sure it's all put away? Or is it just your clothes that counts for? Well, firstly, I think it's just a diligence rather than an obsession.

Oh, here's Tim with his clean clothes. That's right. No, I just do mine. Yeah, it's just one. Okay. Yeah, yeah. It's just the pattern. In fact, you'll spend hours picking through the wash basket just to make sure you only wash yours.

No, we all have separate. We all have separate. Like I have one on my side of the room and it's separate to my wife. So it's just put in there and it's done separately. I'm not sure how we got into that habit. It was just more like, well, I can do mine because at least that'll help. I think that started early on. Because you're like a bit funny and you don't want other germs touching your clothes?

No, no, no. But I think it removes the sorting. So we do, we do, we actually do each member of the family. But you sort by colour, not by wearer. No, but when you've, when you've got multiple kids, then it's just like, okay, what is this a size five sock or a size seven sock? And you know, when they're crump let's just like what and where's the other one see it's just like no that makes sense whose are these the amount of time there's a whole podcast just called whose are these we're just holding up something in the house

whose are these well that happens with socks i will sometimes end up with socks in my drawer that both me and my wife absolutely deny are ours. Oh, that'd be mine. That's where mine's gone. I'll always, and very often I'll not quite finish a job. Like I'll do two and a half hours hoovering, but not put the vacuum cleaner away. Like, which would just be an extra 30 seconds. Oh, really?

Oh, no, that's crazy. But how can you live with yourself then don't you feel like it's not like you don't it's not tied up with a bow and you can you know give yourself a reward or move on satisfactorily to the rest of the well i've already moved on clearly no right okay but yeah i don't yeah i know it's wrong don't worry but yeah it's not deliberate is it is it a bone of contention in your house or is it a bit of an eye roll? I wouldn't say it's like an eye roll. It's not like, oh, Brady, you sweetie.

Ruffled your hair. He's so cute. The interesting thing, having little ones in the house, of course, is that domestic duties is also like a boot camp, a training centre. So you're trying to obviously, you know, like delegate as much as possible. But there's also got to be quality control because you're trying to, you know, basically you're trying to both teach the kids, you know, to learn how to do things properly for one day when they grow up. But also take over as many of the jobs as can possibly handle as quick as possible. So you get to be the boss as well, which is rare.

It's rare. I now have people that have less authority in this whole area than me. For many years, I was the person who had to be obedient. Well, the sooner they learn, the more years of free labour you'll get before they leave. Oh, that's right. That's right. Before we send them off to McDonald's to earn money for the family. Down to the record store to trade records.

So they can buy records for the family. Well, Jamie, it took a while because you sent that in December 2017, but it finally got on the show. Oh, I was just thinking, who's Jamie? I was just like, suddenly you're talking to an imaginary friend. Well, Jamie. Who's Jamie? If you would like to have an idea read out on the show, become a Patreon supporter because they're the people who send in the special messages that we use for ideas.

And we appreciate it. We appreciate it. We do very much. Thank you, Jamie. And thank you, everybody. Anything else to report before we go? Have you got your secret words in? Oh, no.

Well done, man. You forget every single time. They're written. What were they this week? Bird and Nan. Bird? Bird and Nan. Bird? Bird, yes. I'll tell you, there's a reason why these come up,

and that is because as I was leaving tonight, Nan, like my mum was around who's Nan. Ah, so Nan, right. Yeah, so they were sitting at the table and they were playing a card game. I've not played this game before. It was a new game, but there are birds on the cards and you had to sort of memorise who has which bird and you ask, do you have a galah? No. And there was a lot of that conversation going on. Bird and nan

were the words you were supposed to smuggle in, but yet again forgot. That's right. Yes. Well, yes. And the problem is I put them at the top of the list. Every time I sit down with my notepad here, I go, right. Got to remember. And then I move down to other things like Hertfordshire and other important things. Yes. And I bet there they are at the top. So I'm glad I've.

I'd almost be disappointed if you remembered and started putting them in. I love that you forget every single week. It's terrible. I feel terrible. And I get asked too. Yes asked to yes so well you can say you said them can i ask something else interesting this is might be another tell me if this is nothing this week i went looking for my old myspace page right and i couldn't find it and i'm i don't remember closing it. I remember just abandoning it to Facebook somewhere about 12 years ago. But where are our MySpace pages? Are they still out there somewhere?