The Unmade Podcast - 52: Muses and Mountains

Episode Date: July 11, 2020

Tim and Brady discuss pins, crosswords, muses, tweets, Mt Rushmore, and a Patreon idea - with a bonus at the end. Hover - register your domain now and get 10% off by going to hover.com/unmade - promo code UNMADE at checkout - https://www.hover.com/Unmade Support us on Patreon - and access all sorts of bonus stuff - https://www.patreon.com/unmadeFM Join the discussion of this episode on our subreddit - https://redd.it/hp8s42 USEFUL LINKS See our 'badge of honour' pin - https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/5990824849fc2b4c4fe4211b/1594459469921-H115YIJSKWMUGXH4DHB8/pins.jpg?format=2500w&content-type=image%2Fjpeg The Unmade Crossword for Patrons - https://www.patreon.com/posts/38876780 Downloadable 'That's Right' quote for Patrons - https://www.patreon.com/posts/38991207 Muses - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muses 10 Art Muses - https://news.artnet.com/art-world/10-art-historical-muses-359357 Mt Rushmore National Memorial - https://www.nps.gov/moru/index.htm Native Americans and Mt Rushmore - PBS - https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/rushmore-sioux/ Mt Rushmore Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Rushmore Artist impression of Brady's Rushmore - https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/5990824849fc2b4c4fe4211b/1594459587324-WFPCCU7I2HN7P7RUVX9U/rushmore+brady.jpg?format=2500w&content-type=image%2Fjpeg By artist Jo - https://twitter.com/joannanaddeo Alf from Home and Away - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alf_Stewart Adam Goodes - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Goodes Famous New Zealanders - https://www.unmade.fm/press-play Polar Bears - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_bear

Have I got any drink left in this? I've got a little sip of Milo here. Oh, Milo, really? That's not going to help the voice. You need something like pineapple juice or water or tea. What have you got? Well, I've got a black coffee. Little bit of housekeeping.

I'm finally going to announce what I've been talking about for ages and I've built it up so much it's going to be one of the all-time great disappointments. talking about for ages and i've built it up so much it's going to be one of the all-time great disappointments we have had made a special item as a little bonus for patrons it is a gorgeous golden shiny pin uh and it is made in honor of the 80s 90s retro sofa shop logo it's a homage to a much loved but now defunct store uh it's very cool looking it's got a little unmade logo on the back as well stamped into it you've got one haven't you tim i do i do they are impressive very impressive oh in fact i've got one right here and on the shelf behind me on a shelf you don't you're not wearing it on your lapel or you know on your unmade Podcast T-shirt?

Well, the Order of Australia is in there at the moment, so I'll just take that out. I should hope so. There we go. The sofa shop. It's funny you should say that because, like, this is obviously just the first one of these we made, and as we go up the tiers and levels, we're going to have more of them.

So I think they should be called badges of honour or pins of honour. There's great honour in them, I tell you. They are very honourable. So I'm going to basically send these out to Patreon supporters when you pass $50 of, like, career giving. And by the way, loads and loads of people have passed that already. So actually, i'm almost going to empty the first round of stock in the in the first delivery and a lot of people are very close

as well but you know some people that may be you know maybe it's months and months away yet or years away it doesn't matter when you finally get there you will have one of these pins and they are magnificent and also the plan is later on you you know, as people go higher through their career, there'll be other pins made as well at other levels. But for now, if you've passed 50 bucks, you've got one coming. They are impressively heavy. That's how, you know, when you hold a piece of jewelry and you're like, oh, that's got a nice weight to it. It's impressive. I like it a lot.

When they came in the post, I stared at mine for hours. Oh, really? Well, five minutes. But that felt like hours. Oh, they are captivating. And there's a cool Unmade logo on the back as well to show that they're authentic. Just another very quick piece of Patreon-related housekeeping. If you are a Patreon supporter or about to become one,

when you go there, make sure you check out the recent posts because for those of you who haven't seen, we've also posted an exclusive Unmade Podcast crossword. Yes. Very big crossword, full of clues, many of them related to the show. Just something fun to do on a lonely night. I have to say that one of my daughters used some of her newly acquired stationery to obsess over this crossword most of yesterday. It was very, very popular, very exciting.

How did she go? How did a younger crossword go with this puzzle? I'm curious. Pretty good. Pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. She's listened pretty closely. Some of the concepts are not quite, you know, they're sort of above her head. So I was referred to a few times. And after a while I said, look, I think it's against the spirit of the crossword if you're actually asking like one of the hosts. And generally I came up with that because I was a bit stumped by some of the answers.

So I did a little bit of, oh, we might have to text Brady about that one. Let's answer these other two that go through and that might give us a clue. Has she finished yet or are there still a few unsolved ones? No, there's a few unsolved that she's going to get back to. Yeah. But. unsolved ones no there's a few unsolved that she's um gonna get back to yeah but okay no it's very impressive like it was yeah it was lots of fun lots of fun yeah very good lots of people were on uh were online praising you for your excellent work helping make the crossword tim so well done on that i'm i'm very proud of having delegated it to you. The first Tim heard of it was when I sent him the entire crossword to actually do. It must be great being you, having the stuff just appear.

Oh, yeah. Well, it was just like, oh, great, something else to do. It's like, leave me alone. You're going to need an assistant soon who I have to go through to get this merch approved. You're going to need an assistant soon who I have to go through to get this merch approved. I'm sick of people coming at me with crosswords. Tim will be available for recording between 10 and 12 this Thursday. That's right. That's two that's rights. By the way, download your exclusive Tim Hine that's right quote.

You know, even I notice this now. As I've listened back to a recording when we've done a premiere or something, and I was like, wow, I do seem to have a standard response when I find something funny. Do you know what? I cut out at least 70% of your That's Right's. Really? That's amazing.

I'm going to release an exclusive Tim's that's right compilation of all the ones I've cut out. All right. Should we do a show? Nice work. Yes. Let's go. Ideas for a podcast.

That's what we're here for. That we're never going to make. That's the great thing. That's the bit I love about it. We don't have to make them. No. It removes a lot of pressure does it does we should we should open an unmade architecture firm where we design ridiculous buildings that don't actually have to be capable of standing and just like pitch them to clients and they're like that's fantastic we'd love our new university to look like that and we're like yeah it'd be cool wouldn't it

well you can't actually make it. That building would never work. What would it be called? Unmade designs? Unmade and unmade. Unmade and unmade. It's like, hey, it says it on the door we're not making it you won't be able to too unmade and unmade that's nice yeah well speaking of architects i actually have some

notes in front of me with the word architect on it and wow so that might be- That's incredible. I know. I know. I know. It's a dictionary actually in front of me. So I could have made that same way with just about everything you said. But the question I have written in front of me is, can architects have a muse? Can architects have a muse? Now that's a pretty boring question, really. But I've been thinking about muses. You referred to me in a text message a few days ago jokingly as, well, I think jokingly, as your muse. I assure you it was jokingly. I was quite moved by that. I went, oh, wow.

Okay. Took a screenshot and tweeted it round for the world. Yeah. So I've been thinking about the concept of a muse because it is a bit of a pretentious idea this old ancient it's a greek mythic sort of idea of having of these muses for different areas for artists you know like a person who um inspires an artist or a musician or a writer or something so i got i got thinking and i went down a bit of a Wikipedia and then other website rabbit hole reading up about people and their muses and who they have them. And most of it's speculative, but let me get to the idea.

So, my idea for a podcast is My Muse, where people come on and talk about their muse. Now, there are some famous muses and artists and writers and filmmakers and so forth. And a few classic examples are people like Quentin Tarantino has Uma Thurman, who's said to be his muse. And you could jokingly refer to like Tim Burton has Johnny Depp, you know, in every single film he makes. And Alfred Hitchcock had Grace Kelly. There's also Martin Scorsese with Robert De Niro, but then he transitioned at some point to Leonardo DiCaprio, which is, it's not quite the same thing, this filmmaker and a, you know, a classic artist, actor that they use every time.

But, you know, there are many through history as well. And it's a couple of surprising actually, like Banksy has said that Kate Moss is said to be Banksy's muse that is captivated by her. Marilyn Monroe was a muse for Andy Warhol. So even though those two, as far as I know, didn't paint those people particularly often. I know Andy Warhol did do a Marilyn Monroe print.

So your muse doesn't even have to be someone that you kind of work in proximity to or with. They just can be inspiring to you in some way. Yeah, like a compelling inner voice, the compelling inner person who's inspiring you and who's a bit of an archetype for the work that you're longing to do that keeps your work on track, if you know what I mean. You most often think of conventional artists as having muses don't you like like banksy warhol painters that's right like a particular model that they painted

over and over again in different situations and um yes they remained anonymous but you know it was oh look it's that woman again you can sort of tell it's interesting though following down the rabbit hole and reading up on different people and a lot of it is speculative but i thought it would be interesting for people to come in and own their muse. And you might get a famous person to do it, but everyone every day is creating something. And I thought about, I actually thought about the example of an architect and wondering if they have a muse, because they're not, they're creating a piece of beauty, but it's a very functional piece of beauty. piece of beauty, but it's a very functional piece of beauty. But people like yourself, who's creating films and podcasts, but even, you know, teachers and people who are working in the community and people that are making roads, like do people often, if they don't have a muse

in the sort of pretentious sense of a glamorous you know greek mythic person they might have a voice in their head or a person in their head that they're guided by or serving or hoping would applaud or approve the thing that they're doing right so i think someone coming and talking identifying perhaps even realizing for the first time i'm doing this and i'm actually trying to prove my art teacher wrong or prove this math teacher you know what i mean in my who remains in their head or my dad or this person from years ago or an ex-girlfriend or someone like that who remains in their head who they're trying to who they who they are playing to as an audience kind of semi-consciously or subconsciously with the work that they do.

It says here, a person or personified force who is the source of inspiration for a creative artist. It's a kind of enigmatic thing to even define what a muse is. I mean, in that spiel that you just went through then you you sort of defined it in multiple ways also it could be it could be someone who you literally use in your work like you could say martin polyakov is a muse of mine the professor who i make films all the time or you said someone you're trying to please or whose approval you want so it could be you know your, your wife, something like that.

That's a different kind of meaning of it. That's right. It could be someone who just thinking about... I wonder if a competitor can be a muse if you're trying to impress them or you're driven by your competition with someone. I guess that could be a muse of sorts. Yeah. That seems less like it. But do you have a muse? I don't know that could be a muse of sorts. Yeah. That just seems less, that seems less like it.

But do you have a muse? I don't know if I have a muse. I know I have certain people in my mind and you're one of them, but there are several other friends as well who, I won't embarrass by naming here, who have been around a while. And when I do something, there's some sense of you watching the quality of it or observing or pushing back on it. Like if it's a speech or an argument or if I'm giving a sermon in church or something like that, every now and then I think, this is a loose bit here. And which is another way of saying if Brady heard that, he would say this counterpoint. And so then I'll prepare further to, you know, cover that opening.

Yeah, those are there. There are also people that I respect who are, you know, in my vocational area. And I think what would they think of this? But I think that's a bit more typical. That's not quite the muse. The muse feels a bit more intrinsically intimate somehow it's not just yeah i also think of the muse as almost being a bit more playful than that like a bit more more inspiring and less critical yeah yeah that and i think that's getting more to the spirit of of the um like historically in greek mythology there were

like nine muses for different areas. And I think the idea is that they're generating ideas within you, not, you know, they're not really an audience, they're on your side. Do you, what do you think about this idea? Do you have a muse? Not that I can think of. I can't think of any person who kind of personifies that side of my life. I feel very driven, but not by any one person I can think of.

No, I feel like I don't have a muse. I think this is a good idea for a podcast, as long as you had good people who have muses. I feel like it's kind of an old-fashioned thing to have. Yes. Like, you know, you look at the old artists like um my wife's really into art and some of her favorite artists had muses that they painted and googling around there are lots it is very historical and there's a bit of a critique about

it as well because there is this old idea of it's a male artist who has this female person who's the vehicle for their work and that's my wife's one of her favorite painters is lucian freud and he had one or two muses particularly i'm reading here a woman called sue tilly who he painted nude all the time he's done he's done loads and loads of photos of her so uh that's one of the muses i'm familiar with but i don't know if it's still much of a thing i think it's i think it an interesting idea, but I'm a bit at sea because it's kind of a concept that's quite alien to me beyond, oh, yes, that's the person who so-and-so painted all the time.

But it is a nice idea. It's a romantic idea having a muse. It is a romantic idea. It is a better... It tends to be... People have acknowledged their muse or it's written about more seriously historically and it's more speculative these days. But I think there's an interesting conversation to be had with someone to stop and go, yeah, who is it? Who is the person or what is the driving force or the primary inspiration they go back to for their work?

And I particularly like the idea outside the arts as well. Like my point before about the architect or a cook. Did you just do a tweet? I did. I just tweeted. You're tweeting unrelated, completely unrelated stuff during the show. I know I'm in trouble because I was reading Twitter, but during your boring story but but like you actually you actually what's going on here are both of us

so disengaged from this podcast that one of us is tweeting and the other one's reading their tweets i was i was typing out a tweet while i was talking. So I was typing. No, I wasn't. I wasn't really. It was while you paused a minute ago. But I. All right. I paused a moment ago to make a quick phone call.

But that's when Tim did his tweet. Still. I still think that's kind of naughty. Why is it naughty? It's like productive. It's efficient. But you obviously thought of the tweet during the show as well. Yeah, I can't remember.

I was thinking about something while you were talking. And I thought... This is how you're my muse. Like, I was inspired by you talking. Not the thing you were saying obviously but just you talking yeah tim's just taking all my best quotes and material and tweeting them before i get a chance to use them oh god then when the episode comes out it's like brady's just repeating stuff that tim's already tweeted this is not very good oh god all right well my muse my muse yes that'll do it's all right idea that's not well it's not a great idea but it's not great it's not bad but but it's funnily but it's got

some similarities with mine so it kind of so while not being great it still manages to rain on my parade a bit all right that right. That's the worst of both worlds. It's a perfect episode-destroying idea. It's like the first half boring, ruin the second half. At least you got a good tweet out of it. Oh, that's good. Totally. Do you think, speaking of Twitter and, like, your 2000th Twitter follower,

do you think Painter Joe would and like your 2000th Twitter follower, do you think Painter Jo would say that you're her muse? Ooh, well, surely. Not just painted a painting, she's painted a towel and a cushion. She didn't do all of them individually, man. Oh, okay. Just while you say that, let me have a look how many Twitter follows I'm up to. Oh, look at this, 2,431.

There we go. Like you didn't know exactly already. I didn't. I didn't know. I knew I was over 2,000, but no, 2,000. Let's go for 3,000. 3,000 people. Come on. Yeah.

What are you going to do for 3,000? Well, like nothing. Like it's just an arbitrary number. 3,000 people Come on Yeah What are you going to do for 3,000? Well Like nothing Like it's just Right It's just an arbitrary number It doesn't matter Except that

People will Be able to It's a thousand more people Or 600 from here Who will be able to enjoy My Wit So

Yeah which usually comes During recordings of the Unmade Podcast By the sounds of it This is the time allotted in the week to be witty and I'm witty now I'm in the zone You're so creative All evidence to the contrary

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So you should be registering it now and just putting it in your war chest. Actually, that is actually a very good idea. Which I've said like a thousand times on the show. Do you even listen to me? You're tweeting again, aren't you? No, I'm not tweeting. I'm now on hover, like looking up. I'm literally looking up what I'm going to need. And you just keep talking, and I'm going to buy this domain.

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I just slid it over to slid it over to do not renew and I'm releasing it into the wild. If you love, if you love something and you set it free, I don't know. There's some saying, isn't there? I'm setting that domain free. Yeah. Yeah. If it comes back to me for free, then, well, that would be really weird. But anyway. Yeah. The thing, you have to have bought it first, though. That's the thing. You can't just leave it free. You have to buy it, get it, hold on to it for a year, then let it go free. Then let it go. You will get 10% off your first hover purchase,

which is, they're already a bargain, but you'll get 10 of your first hover purchase which is they're already a bargain but you'll get 10 off the already bargain prices by going to hover.com slash unmade go to hover.com slash unmade that gets you 10 off it also tells hover that you came from the unmade podcast which makes us look good in their eyes indeed tim. Tim and I like to look good. Indeed. Did you purchase that domain you needed? I've got them here. I've clicked them. I'm going to pay for them right now.

I am. Yeah? I literally am. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is this a secret project? Do we need to keep it confidential? No, no. It's just for my church.

So I wanted to buy a few variations for my church. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm grabbing them now. They're here. Do they have like. dot church and things like that on hover is that one of their domains people have dot church yeah i'm just checking can you get brady.church yeah brady.church is available i mean i'm not gonna start just for the record that

wasn't the one that i was buying no i haven't started a church yet. You may be amused, but you're not replacing Jesus. He's a more significant muse. Tim.church is taken, I'm afraid. So, here's my idea. Your idea. Looking forward to it. Here we go. Now, I had this idea before this topic became quite zeitgeisty,

so I'm not wading into any current affairs or controversies and things like that although i am aware of them you did this similar kind of throat clearing comment last time i'm wondering well you're feeling a bit like defensive somehow like perhaps you're no i'm just i just happen to be dealing with topics that are controversial and i don't want to deal with stupid idiots on twitter and that saying did you know that i packed the mic like yes i do read the news i'm aware of what's happening in the world all right okay that's not what i'm talking about fair enough fair enough my idea is called my rushmore we're all familiar with mount rushmore we are famous mountain in america with four famous presidents engraved onto it. Indeed.

It's been in the news a lot lately, as I said. It's been on the Unmade podcast before. Indeed. We had a very large section of an episode devoted to it. My idea for a podcast is that a guest, for example, say you, Tim, say you were a guest on My Rushmore, I would say to you, if you had a great big granite mountain that was yours and you and you were told you can engrave four huge faces into it oh yes what four faces would you engrave ah who is on tim's mount rushmore wow for a moment there i thought you

were going to ask would i put my own face or would I permit my face to be engraved on a mountain? It's on bloody everything else in our handmade store. I don't know why you'd stop at a mountain. I'll be like, Rushmore's a step down after Joe's work. I've been on a beach tower. Mountain means nothing. No, that's right. That's a good question.

Who's your Rushmore? Who's on your personal Mount Rushmore? Wow. What a good question. If I was. So, would you like to know the answer to. Well, I am the guest on your show on Rushmore. I'll tell you what.

I'll tell you. I'll give you an example first to give you some more thinking time because I've sprung this on you. I was thinking about who would go on my Mount Rushmore. I've got a few other ideas, by the way, that spring off from this, but I'll come to them after we've done your Mount Rushmore. I have decided that I'm going to put on my Mount Rushmore, so I've got a huge, you know, on my estate, the Harron estate, I've got a big mountain down in the backyard. I've decided I huge, you know, on my estate, the Harron estate, I've got a big mountain down in the backyard. Yeah.

I've decided I'm going to carve into it. Neil Armstrong. Yep. As a representative of the moon and the lunar missions and space exploration in general. Yep. Yep. Jeff Dujon, the West Indian cricketer, as a representative of my love of sport. And in particular, the douche himself. Yep. Fabulous wicketkeeper, the douche himself. Yep.

Fabulous wicketkeeper of the 80s and 90s. Luke Skywalker. So, young Mark Hamill, representative of my love of film and popular culture and Star Wars in general. Yes. And Sir Isaac Newton. Wow.

There are a lot of great scientists, but I decided I'd let Newton be my representative because although he's a bit of a flawed character, who isn't flawed? And he has that lovely flowing hair that you know yeah lovely it would his hair would look good yeah yeah yeah so there you go there's a there's a mount rushmore that's a that's right and do you know have you done any drafted any designs do you know who would be on the far left far right oh i think in my head isaac newton's on the far left or the far right? No. Oh. I think, in my head, Isaac Newton's on the far right. I think that order, Armstrong, Dujon, Skywalker, Newton.

If there are any artists out there that are willing to do a depiction of a mountain with those four faces on it for me, that would be much appreciated. I'd like to see what it looks like. Draft it up, people. Please. I have no artistic ability whatsoever like less than none they would just be four smiley faces if i did it your drawings are awesome they really are i am the worst drawer in the world is this is this a time brady when i was when i never had this is not a time this is not a time? Brady, when I was, when I never had. This is not a time. This is not a time for that.

Let's crack on. Okay. We'll come back. I'm going to make a note. Come back to Brady's drawings. You make a note about Brady's drawings and we'll do that another day. All right. I want to know your Mount Rushmore.

That's a really, that's a really great question to ask. I mean, it's an obvious Obviously, C.S. Lewis is going to be on there, isn't he? Oh, yeah. I've forgotten C.S. Lewis. Can I give you my hypothetical Tim's Mount Rushmore before you give me a serious one? Yeah, yeah. Because I was thinking, who would Tim have on it based on people he talks about a lot? Right. And I think your Mount Rushmore is going to be your dad.

Right. Which I like because, you know, he's about as old as the mountain anyway, so it's sort of appropriate that he's on it. He may already be engraved on it by, like, you know. This would be a picture of dad made of, like, newer material than dad's skin was made of. Carved when the granite was, like, you know, liquid. It's a lot easier.

Tim's dad. Jerry Seinf no bono no and dermot brereton australian rules footballer that's my unmade um my unmade rushmore perhaps perhaps with the colonel the colonel would be oh Oh, of course, yeah. The great one. The Colonel. Yeah, yeah. He'd look great in stone, yeah. Oh, he would. You could do Michael Bolton, but you'd need a bigger mountain for all that lovely hair. That's true.

That's true. It would be a lovely match to see mine with Michael Bolton and yours with Isaac Newton because there's quite a similarity going on there. Who's on yours? Who's on your serious one? Well, I'll tell you, I did. I wrote down four names in fact i wrote down three and i was wondering i had a bit of an idea and then you gave me c.s

lewis terrible that i forgot him yeah he probably would be there c.s lewis would probably be there the the number one person i had and this is coming back is mentioned already is jesus but you don't know what he looks like no that's see that's the thing and there's this whole strange idea it's a bit content you know do you paint jesus because most of the images of jesus he's like looks like a scandinavian western but actually he's quite a dark skin so that's a bit of a controversial one in a way but anyway he's he's um i'd like to think i could do it and make him look like more like um an authentic person from his era rather than... Okay, okay. I mean, you could do Jesus and people would think it was Michael Bolton.

Indeed. If it became controversial, like, oh, no, no, no, it's Michael Bolton. That's right. All right, Jesus. Obviously, you're going to put Jesus. Fair enough. Who else you got? I also, I did, I wrote my dad.

And I think I just wrote my dad because i was scampering for ideas to have them for when you asked me in a moment but i so i quietly it was like it came to mind i'll write it down but also thought i think he has a really great face for a rushmore he has a good rushmore-esque kind of face yeah so i agree It would suit him. And part of it is just the line after line after line of wrinkles up his forehead. Like they were just so impressively patterned out. Not only would it look great, it would be brilliant for rock climbing. It would. Very important consideration when it comes to it.

He's got a very Bob Hawke-esque kind of sort of, you know, wavy, nice mane sitting at the back. And it's your Rushmore. It's your personal Rushmore. You can put your dad on that. It's your mountain. Yeah. And then the other one I had was Nick Cave, who is a singer-songwriter.

Oh, great for caving. Which is right. It's just a cave. I'm going caving. Literally put a cave onto a rock face. That's very witty. Yeah. He's a singer-songwriter who embodies that side the music side i've got him

over um yeah so he's he's my really favorite and so he's there along with yeah c.s lewis is as good as anyone in terms of you know numbers of books and influence and so forth yeah i've got a few other rushmore uh options here oh yeah we could make i was thinking you could have like people would think of something obvious like say the beatles right i was thinking why not do the teenage mutant ninja turtles people come and visit them i was also thinking you could do new kids on the block but because there's five of them you just wouldn't have Danny? That's right. But Danny, I think, already has sort of a Rushmore head. You've already talked about that. He's got that strong, strong.

People already rock climb up Danny. What about the Proclaimers? But because there's only two of them, you could just have two of them and then two more of them next to it. They're just exactly the same. I think the Proclaimers already are like one person who's been doubled And Popper's like, no, they'll be more successful if there's two of you They're like, alright, well, let's just double the track and do it again

I also thought if we were going to have an unmade pod We could have some unmade podcast versions How about if we were going to have like, you know Unmade podcast sort of anti-heroes we could have michael bolton andy mcdowell jason donovan and john hewson oh wow what a collection that is john hewson would be very surprised to find himself in that particular group this was an australian opposition leader who lost in an election to become prime minister but made one speech that we've referred to before in parliament that Tim happened to like. Budget response speech.

Very impressive. Very impressive it was. And then I filled his car with petrol, which seems to have solidified him into my mind somewhat. Maybe that could just be a sculpture on a mountain, you filling his car with petrol. What a great moment. Was he driving or was he a passenger in the car? He was a passenger. He was a passenger.

Right. I remember that because he had a nice car, but he actually owns a Lamborghini and he certainly wasn't in a Lamborghini. You don't see Lamborghinis around Adelaide very much. John Hewson is the last person in the world I would expect to own a Lamborghini. Yeah, he's one of those, you know, like a rock star has one or a cool guy has one or a funds manager.

And he's a bit from that sort of world, the finance world. He's very wealthy. So, yeah, he owned a Lamborghini. What about a Patreon Rushmore where we engrave into it, Joe, to return the art favour. Indeed. Return for that drawing she gets, like, carved into a mountain. Zach. Yes. Tall Jeff, obviously. Oh, she gets like carved into a mountain. Zach. Yes.

Told Jeff, obviously. Oh, yes. That would be an actual size sculpture. He would. I couldn't decide on the third one. So I thought maybe we'd make that like either a random selection or, you know, highest bidder. Oh, indeed. It's quite a step up from getting a pin.

And I have to say, they're very nice pins but actually carving your face at a mountain is a great reward for supporting a a podcast later this year people as a special patreon bonus tim's going to go through the entire list of patreon supporters and engrave each of your faces into a mountain take a little bit of time. I'd love to see a sofa, just a sofa carved into the cliff face. That'd be perfect. Four sofas. Or at least some matching curtains.

People can come and sit on them. It'd be great. Abseil in from the top and just sit and go, these are great. Oh, look, matching curtains. Amazing. Oh, that's a great idea. A serious idea, though. When I was thinking about this idea as a podcast idea,

I was thinking another way you could tackle it is obviously Mount Rushmore is the decision that was taken by the United States. At a certain point in time, granted, I'm sure they wouldn't, they may not do it the same way now. No. But at a certain point in time, the United States decided these are the four faces we want to carve into a mountain. What would all the other countries do if they had a Mount Rushmore? Who would be on Australia's Mount Rushmore?

Who would be on England's Mount Rushmore? Who would be on France's Mount Rushmore? What a great series it would be to have people from those countries, from different areas of expertise, to sit around a table and say, all right, if you were going to do a Mount Rushmore today for your country, who are the four faces you would choose and why? What a great discussion. That is a good discussion.

That opens up a whole new vista of conversation. That's right, about who's the greatest and the most significant and you want to be representative and all that kind of stuff yeah exactly that's a really great idea yeah who could you see on australia's mount rushmore uh jerry george elaine and kramer what about pink pink she sells more tickets than anyone here. That's all right. You know what I love? The golden girls. There's big, buffy hair everywhere. Nice.

That'd be cool. Who's going to be on Australia's Mount? I mean, obviously, Alf from Home and Away. Alf from Home and Away. Alf from Home and Away. You'd probably have them representative. So you'd have probably John Farnham from the music world. You'd have Alf from Home and Away. Mate, if you had a politician, it would probably be the aforementioned Bob Hawke. He's just got that sort of lovely chiseled face.

What prime minister would go on Australia's Mount Rushmore? Menzies? Well, Menzies is the longest serving, but it's very partisan, you see. That's the difficult. So you could have Alfred Deakin, the first one, but he's not very high profile because Australians don't know a lot about their political history. Don Bradman, the cricketer, is going to have a chance of being on there.

That's true. Yeah, Bradman is universally loved. Aussie ostrich, maybe? I mean, obviously there's going to have to be someone from the Aboriginal community. Yvonne Corley? Oh, yeah. Adam Goodes?

Actually, there's quite a few. There's portraits going up of Adam Goodes because of the way he was so vilified as a footballer, and yet he was Australian of the Year in amazing football. Amazing. Brown low medal, premierships. So there's portraits going up of him like on you know those beautiful massive portraits you put on a side of a building or on the side of of the big silos here in the country um there's a few of those going up yeah of him which is which is great neville bonner was the

first uh member of parliament aboriginal member of parliament. Yeah, yeah. What about New Zealand, man? Name someone from New Zealand. I mean, well, it's going to be cool to have Edmund Hillary's face on a mountain. That would be pretty awesome. Oh, right. Yeah, of course. Yeah. So, Edmund Hillary.

Neil Finn. Neil Finn. Neil Finn. Russell Crowe. Russell Crowe. Sam Neill. Richard Hadley. A Pavlova.

That's right. I think New Zealand is going to have to have four different profiles of Edmund Hillary. Yeah, that's the classic one, isn't it? To put on a mountain. Yeah, there's a lovely poetry to that. Nice work. Great idea.

Strong idea. As always, as always. Gosh. Should we continue with an idea from a Patreon supporter? Well, and let's see. If this idea is good, this Patreon supporter has the opportunity to be elevated to the unmade Rushmore. If the idea is good, it's got to be good, but this is their moment.

So let's see how they go. Let's not get carried away, Tim. They're not even an unmade colonel yet, and you're talking about Mount Rushmore. Oh, indeed. That's right. Yes. They're many steps away. They're many steps away from that.

And a great journey begins with the first step. All right. This comes from Greg. Hi, Brady and Tim. My name is Greg. Oh, sorry, Greg. I spoiled that for you. Nice. Strong beginning. Well done, Greg. Well, nice. Nice. That's all he wrote. Thanks, Greg. No, no. He wrote more. Originally from Scotland, but now living in Canada. Canada! He says, I moved to Canada mainly to be among a higher concentration of Unmade Podcast fans, but also to do my master's degree.

My project for grad school is looking at how permafrost environments are thawing and responding to climate change, and I spent last summer in the Canadian High Arctic. I definitely had the unmade podcast playing in one ear while doing maintenance on our airstrip up there or sitting on the tundra keeping an eye out for wolves and polar bears i love the idea of like an unmade podcast gag or moment like distracting greg from seeing a polar bear and like sometimes attack oh sorry it was uh let's crack on my idea for a podcast is called find it buy it it would see one presenter challenging the two other co-hosts to obtain

an item which might be rare or just really hard to find in that location and it is a race to see who can obtain it quicker by any means necessary the podcast would follow each co-host as they do research make calls or potentially travel the world in search of that item e.g if the hosts were in the us then the challenge would be to see who could obtain say a haggis first keep the good stuff coming g Wow Well, this is quite a good idea I think there's potential for it It's on the journey describing how you're going To find the thing

It's a bit of a game show, isn't it? To be honest, it sounds more like a reality TV show than a podcast to me Yes, yes You must find this object Particularly if it was a rare object Or a specific object. Like you must find the first edition book of this, you know, that was printed and you have to go looking through everywhere to find it. The internet just makes these things so easy now, doesn't it?

Like there's almost like what's the last thing you had to buy where you didn't use the internet? You thought you had a better chance actually going somewhere. That's pretty rare these days it is even if you're going somewhere you're looking up on the internet to make sure they're open today and they've got it in stock and you know like yeah it takes the novelty out of it so much it could be um a very obvious thing like i want you to find a well priced quality valued washing machine. Go. And you go, click, click, click, bang, got it. There we go.

Found it. No problem. That's it. Click, click, click, bang. It's all over in 10 seconds. You paid for it online, credit card. Here we go. It's on its way.

Done. You just go, hey, Siri. Hey, Siri, buy me a washing machine. Apologies for all the series we just activated then. Oh indeed. Yes, that's right. Yeah. And apologies for all the washing machines we just purchased then.

Just sending out to thousands of homes. I never thought of that. Hey Siri, sign up to the Unmade podcast on Patreon. Oh, yes. That's great. Hey, Siri, go to hover slash Unmade by domain name. That's a pretty good idea. I mean, I preferred the Arctic, tundra, polar bear stuff more. That was pretty cool.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like the idea of people being in serious situations and then choosing to listen to us. Like it's just particularly people. You know, I remember the patron last time is doing serious research and other people, you know, they're like doing serious lives and gosh, they're listening to us while we're doing it. And I just think, gosh, guys, you're putting everything at jeopardy. Unnecessary risks.

That's right. Even Tim doesn't take the podcast seriously. He's tweeting during it. Sorry, I'm what? I'm just, sorry, I was just. Even Tim doesn't. That's great. Have you ever had to buy something really hard to

Like what's the weirdest thing you've had to buy or find I do find myself looking for weird stuff sometimes You buy them out of curiosities And you can get sucked into I wonder if I could find that rare You know book or album or memorabilia But in terms of something I tend to get a little bit obsessive when it's something

of a necessity like we need something for the house um yeah and and i tend to do a lot of research like i'll look up at this place and that place and i'll look at choice magazine which is sort of like a um commercial advisory thing about quality where they've tested everything and and i check and double check and then finally make a decision and it's funny isn't it how over some items you become really really fussy about price and yet other things you won't like like you need to buy some bolt and it's like you know it's three dollars on one website and three dollars fifty on another and you just don't want it you want to make sure you get the absolute best price and yet you'll think about nothing about spending like you know 100 bucks at dinner or something with friends but like i find it's funny the things i become really really price

sensitive about and other things i'm just completely non-sensitive about that's true yeah i've crisscrossed back and forward across town doing that like oh up run like oh these i wonder if they're on sale down there and it's just like yeah no so it's half an hour to go down there to you know sort that out and look at those and try no they're not i'm gonna go back i could get them here other than i feel obliged to that person back there now because they spend all the time with me and so you go back there and grab them yeah there you go thank you for... Greg, look, solid idea. I don't think he's going to get colonel status on it, but...

Unmade colonel status. Unmade colonel status. I don't think he's going to get colonel status either. I mean, unless he joins the army. But we have no say over whether he becomes a colonel, so... Well, very little say. No, not legendary, but good idea. He also sent a photo of himself out at work in the snow.

Oh, well, that's impressive. I'll send that your way later, Tim, so you can have a look. Yeah, cool. Well, thanks, Greg. Yeah, nice one. Look out for polar bears, mate. Look out. I hope you're not listening right now while you're on.

Look out. Greg, look out there to the right. Greg. Oh, no. Siri, remind Greg about polar bears. right now while you're on pop look at greg greg look out there to the right greg oh no siri remind greg about polar bears thanks everyone for listening a reminder about the pins patreon.com slash unmade fm i'll include a picture of the pins and things like that in notes and usual places also go check out that crossword and tim i hope this has been a good productive hour of tweeting for you it's been very efficient thank you very much um yeah yep and man get

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