The Unmade Podcast - 53: Weird and Grumpy

Episode Date: July 20, 2020

Brady and Tim discuss Minties, simple pleasures, gourmet food, The Seven Dwarfs, hacking, website history, a Patreon idea, and heroic moments - plus a surprise guest. Check out Storyblocks for access to an incredible archive of videos, audio and images for your own creations - https://www.storyblocks.com/unmade Support us on Patreon - get extra perks and submit your own podcast ideas! - https://www.patreon.com/unmadeFM Join the discussion of this episode on our subreddit - https://redd.it/hukrr3 USEFUL LINKS Minties - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minties Ritz Crackers - https://www.ritzcrackers.com Our Wholesome podcast episode - https://www.unmade.fm/episodes/special-wholesome The Seven Dwarfs - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Dwarfs Twitter Hack - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53445090 Area 51 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_51 Christian Horner - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Horner Geri Halliwell - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geri_Halliwell Russell the failed seeing eye dog - thanks Oleg! - https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/5990824849fc2b4c4fe4211b/1595247337038-09E2GBFHGHV20UMTU60E/Screen+Shot+2020-07-20+at+13.14.39.jpg?format=2500w&content-type=image%2Fjpeg

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. That was perfect. We were in perfect synchronicity. For you, we were. At my end, we were actually one second out of sync, but that's just the way it is. But I've calculated that in my head. Oh, right.

I've said it a millisecond fast. Yeah, just every time you think something tim say it like a second later if you don't mind i know i need you to say a second before you think it actually oh yeah it's funny how often i do say things before i've thought about them it's not unusual can i just start by saying thank you to the Adelaide civilian, who I believe is known to Tim, who provided me with two bags of minties, the sweeties that I love that are hard to get here in England. Unfortunately, I believe she made the mistake of sending them via you, Tim.

Why was that a mistake? Well, because you clearly, well, I'm not going to blame you, but clearly you packed them inadequately. I don't know if it was because they were in like the hold of a plane or how they got here, but obviously they went through various temperature changes, which resulted in the melting and solidifying and melting and going through various processes. And it resulted in the soft minty loveliness, like basically welding itself to the wrapping paper. So, you couldn't unwrap them.

And I was so excited when they arrived. Even my wife was excited. We had like an opening ceremony. She said, you know what? I really fancy a minty now. And even she got excited about it. And she never eats like unhealthy things like that. And I tried to unwrap them and the first one stuck.

And I thought, oh, that's strange. And then minty after minty after minty could not be opened. And I was so desperate for the minty that I ended up eating one in the wrapper. Oh, so you ate the wrapper or you spat that out afterwards? No, you couldn't even do that. You could get like the twizzly ends off, but the actual paper wrapped around the body of the minty itself couldn't be removed. So I just swallowed it. I did that when I was a kid, when I was desperate.

I know exactly what you mean. I had to toss them in the end. Did you do it to the two whole bear? Oh, no, you threw them away. I had to throw them in the bin in the end. So thank you, civilian, for your kind gesture. But I guess it's some kind of justice. Tim got his revenge for the tormenting of Tim.

He tormented me back by sending me minties i could not eat ultimate revenge oh it is pause for thought i hope that bucket of chicken's gonna be okay when that gets there tim stop sending me kfc in the post i'm glad to hear that it got up the minties got warm along the way because that'll keep the chicken warm as well, whatever circumstances they're going through. It was a tragedy. But anyway, I don't know what you could have done. Maybe we need to come up with some kind of like insulated wrapping or something. I don't know how we're going to do this, but. I'm sure there must be some.

Was it worse to receive them like that than to have not received them at all? Yes. Yes. So the thought that counts wasn't something that came to mind. You were like, no. Well, no, the thought counted. And like, I do appreciate the thought, but, you know, it's still worse. I'm trying to think of an example of how something would be worse. Like, you know, like if I got like, say, say I bought a C.S. Lewis first edition and thought for you.

And then instead of sending it to you, I just burned it. That's not the same. Like I was like, when I bought it, I intended to give it to you, Tim. But in the end, I thought, I'll just burn it. Well, you are making you're making an assumption when you say the thought that counts, that it wasn't in the thoughts of the civilian to send them to you, conspiring that, ah, these will probably be ruined at the other end. But, you know, it'll torture him a little bit. I bear no malice to the civilian. In fact, I think what she did was lovely.

I bear malice to you for sending them so poorly. I think what she did was lovely. I bear malice to you for sending them so poorly. Oh. I think you did it on purpose because of the American Music Awards thing. No, that's not true. No, I can confidently say that I'm sure I know this civilian did not mean anything, but goodwill and generosity.

I also know how they were wrapped, and I may have palmed it off to someone else to do. So I don't take full blame, but I also don't want to land them in it either. Now it's just your neglect, Tim. Now it's just your neglect. Well, that's true. I didn't project manage the project all the way through to completion. You know the old saying, if you want minty scent right, you've got to do it yourself. That's right.

That is one of those great sayings. Yeah. You have always said that. I don't know why I didn't remember that. Yeah. Let me tell you what I have in front of me at the moment, though, speaking of, like, Australian delicacies. I've made myself an Australian delicacy to have during the show show although it's very loud to eat so i don't know how i'm going to manage this i have a plate of ritz crackers you would probably refer to them

more as jats crackers because ritz crackers are pretty similar to jats crackers in australia ritz crackers right yep and on each one i have a dollop of margarine and a dollop of Vegemite. Oh, gosh. Big dollops, I hope. Like, real dollops. Some bigger than others, but, yeah, I've been generous. You've been generous with yourself. To myself. I'll just have one now.

Hang on. Which is another way of saying you've been selfish. Greedy, greedy, yeah. Not selfish, because it wasn't like someone else I could have made them for. I was just greedy. Let me have one. You hear that? Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I can. Yep. Yep. It made me think a good idea for a podcast would be, let me just finish this off. Oh, yeah. I don't think I'm going to be able to stop at just one. Oh, well, no.

I mean, obviously this is sort of in the vein of our wholesome podcast but what a good podcast it would be to just have simple pleasures what's your simplest simple pleasure oh yes um listening to you eat listening yes well you're in luck here's another one for you. That is very similar to our wholesome, but it does, because it's simple, it could be an unwholesome. Well, yeah. Like once upon a time for me it was smoking, which is, you know, the idea of going out, sitting, having a smoke with a coffee was bliss.

It's a simple pleasure it's not anymore i've given up smoking and actually you know i really wouldn't enjoy it i don't enjoy the smoke of it but it's still simple yeah a really really ice which i also have on my desk at the moment and just had a sip of a really really ice cold can of coke oh really cold hitting the back of your throat have you got a is it no sugar or yeah it's uh yeah zero sugar full-blooded no it's coke zero here you go man i'll have a sip for you ready oh yeah that's a simple pleasure oh yeah well if there's something i find more pleasurable than listening to you eat jets or r Ritz. It's you drinking Coke. Oh, yeah.

I asked my wife before we started what hers was. I thought she was going to say baked beans on toast, but she said a cup of tea. A cup of tea. Just a cup of tea. Just a cup of tea. That's all. Just a cup of tea. What's your current one now that you're off the cigarettes?

See, one thinks of food because your illustrations have been food. And in that area, it would have to be a toasted cheese sandwich, which I call a toasty toasty. This is not a piece of bread with the cheese melted on top. You mean the ones that are like pressed? Like some people call them a jaffle. Yeah. Yep. Yep.

And you put them inside one of those, you know, pressed down sandwich maker things. Yeah. Do you like those sandwich makers that are like open or they're like the sealed ones that kind of press them and seal them? I had the seal one for my entire life. And I like that because they it's sort of a token effort to, you know, cut down the diagonal middle, but they don't go all the way through. Yeah. So I still have to jam it down with a knife afterwards. It's a real pathetic effort.

Yeah. That's my favorite shape, but it's much easier without it. Well, the good thing about the ones that seal it, though, is you can chuck all sorts of other stuff in there, like meat and sauces and stuff like that, and it can all be contained without, like, falling out the sides. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah. I like it with a bit of ham. Do you know, the funny thing is you can make them at home, you know, that's a buck 50 meal, beautiful, you know, like cheap lunch. Yeah. But there's a place in town, the East End Cellars, like a beautiful, beautiful wine bar, and they do them there as well. And they, you know, they're absurdly expensive for what they are,

but with like gourmet fillings and things like that. So it's really lovely cheese. And I'll tell you, it's crazy. You sit there going, I can have this for a buck at home, but if I'm out, I'll still go and have a toasted cheese sandwich if I'm in the East End. So it's just, it's like going to a high-end restaurant and saying, I'll have some baked beans, please. And, you know, paying an enormous amount for the same thing, just because you love it so much and you're out. I've probably said this before, but one of my favourite things that my wife teases me about and teases Adelaide about, and you just did it then, is Adelaideans use of

the word gourmet. Gourmet, yes. Basically, if you're in Adelaide and you see the word gourmet, it just means more expensive than usual. Oh, indeed. Someone else made it. than usual. Oh, indeed. Someone else made it. Gourmet is French for someone else made it and charged you money. That's why I love a hotel, because it's got a gourmet bed. Because someone else made it. Very nice. For what is the proper use of gourmet? It means rare or higher class ingredients.

I think the joke she's making at our expense is that Adelaide's not as refined as Paris, and therefore we have a lower threshold for what is gourmet. Yes. For something to be gourmet in France, it's super expensive and it's been made by like an 18-star Michelin chef. Yes, yes. And in Adelaide, as you said, it's just someone else made it and put some salt and pepper on it. It's just expensive salami. You know, it's just the upper, more expensive, the Paris end of the supermarket fridge.

Yeah. You sprinkle a few dried bacon chips on your baked beans and they're gourmet baked beans. That is true. And Adelaide does have that sense about it in Australia compared to the others because there's that idea that it is because of the free settlers and the history and the accent that we have, it's sort of a little bit of England in Australia. And the wine culture as well, the wine regions around Adelaide

make us think we're quite refined. Oh, it is, yes. It's the Tuscany of Australia, really. It is. And it's, but of course, there is actually a real England and Europe out there and a real Tuscany. But gourmet is not a simple pleasure. Gourmet is the opposite of a simple pleasure, you know. Well, if you've got common tastes like you do, however.

Walking the dog is a simple pleasure. Yes, however. Walking the dog is a simple pleasure. Yes, yes. Put Audrey, or walking Audrey's not a simple pleasure because she goes ballistic if she sees a dog she doesn't like. But normally walking Audrey is a simple pleasure. Yes, yes. Thick socks are a simple pleasure. Nice. Lovely thick socks.

For me, watching the Grand Prix. Yes, yes. It's Sunday afternoon. I'm not doing any, I'm not working. I'm not doing chores. I've got no commitments. I'm going to watch the hour and a half before the race of them just talking. I'm going to watch the race. Hey, maybe I'll fall asleep if it's boring. I admit it. I don't care. I've got, I'm doing nothing else but lying on the sofa and having the Grand Prix on. Well, which brings me to falling asleep on the sofa in the middle of the day, if it's sunny.

Just sleeping on the sofa during the day is in itself a simple pleasure. Oh, yeah. Bit of unmade podcast in the background. Oh, yeah. If anything's guaranteed to get you to doze off in the middle of the day, it's a little bit of unmade. What are you saying? What are you saying?

This is a gourmet podcast Two South Australians One of them leaving in England What else could there be? Well, someone else has made it for the listeners So it must be gourmet That's right And I'm looking at a webpage with jats on them

You know what I mean? What's more That's right I'm literally eating Vegemite on biscuits Waking up on the couch later in the day though That's right. I'm literally eating Vegemite on biscuits. Waking up on the couch later in the day, though, like a lovely middle-of-the-day nap is an extreme simple pleasure. The feeling afterwards, though, is kind of like weird and grumpy and a bit, you know, it's not.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Re-adjusting to life is very difficult after a nap in the middle of the day, I find. Weird and grumpy could be our, like, cosines. Which one's weird and which one's grumpy? I'll let the listeners decide that. Weird and grumpy. I'm weird and I'm grumpy and this is the Unmade Podcast.

It's like if we decided to stop doing the podcast and decided to be like early morning Brekkie FM hosts instead You know It's like weird and grumpy in the morning Here we go Hi guys Waka waka

You know We need a third person Who's like Who's like you know The joker The jester The morning jester Yeah

Dazzle Something Yeah Would you rather be described as weird or grumpy like if behind your back like oh that's tim harn oh yeah that guy is weird or oh yeah that guy is grumpy which would you rather be known as probably grumpy grumpy yeah because there's that sense of you know he's a he's grump lovable grump you know whereas lovable weird is yeah a little bit harder weird like weird can be good

too but you're right you're on safer ground with grumpy i think yeah yeah weird could be really bad like guys weird weird really weird you know like you can go to jail for doing weird stuff but you can't go to jail for doing grumpy stuff no no that's right no that's it yeah but grumpy is grumpy is a funny word isn't it's a lovely fun word to say grumpy it is it is it's much nicer than irritable or ill-tempered it is which of the seven dwarfs would you rather be known as where are they doc dopey bashful grumpy sneezy sleepy happy what about dasher and blixen aren't they i may be getting confused there doc i don't remember doc oh doc wears glasses and often mixes up his words so doc obviously doc has got a bit of prestige but he's a bit old happy is like you know well okay no brainer is doc sort sort of the Papa Smurf of the dwarfs?

The head, more senior member? In fact, it's probably not fair asking you which dwarf you want to be. Which dwarf do you think other people would describe you as? Oh, that's tough. Yeah. I'm not as familiar with them. Let's have a look. Bashful is very shy and kind-hearted.

Well, obviously not. You're obviously not bashful. Oh, he's also cute, though. I'm cute. No, I'm not. Great. Cute's something that people never describe themselves as, even though it's a compliment to them.

No, no, because you don't want to be cute. You want to be, like, attractive or sexy. Sneezy's name is earned by extraordinarily powerful sneezes. Yes, man. Which are seen blowing. Thanks for that. Sleepy is always tired. Man, did you know that?

I'm going with dopey for you. Dopey? Hmm. That's the one I haven't read. The only dwarf who does not have a beard. Oh, there you go. That's right. I'm dopey.

Yeah. Although he's mute and you're not mute, but. Accident prone. Yeah, that's what I thought for you. How am I accident prone? Apart from regarding technology and recording this. Come on. I would say I'm going to go with that.

I'm obviously grumpy. Are you? Yeah. You've got a grumpy side. Yeah. Which of the other dwarves there would you describe me as? You're not sneezy. Sleep. You do love sleep. I do. You've said that ever since I me as? You're not sneezy. Sleep.

You do love sleep. You've said that ever since I've known you. You just go, I love sleep. I do love sleep. It's a simple pleasure. Yep. You can't be both happy and grumpy. So, if I had to choose, I'd say you're probably grumpy.

I could be like Doc because he's like, you know, because I'm like, you know, the leader. The leader of what? The one who like organizes stuff and gets it done yeah that doesn't mean you're the leader you might be doing that for me because i'm the leader do you think you're the leader who's the leader of the unmade podcast the leader wow yeah um well it's not like hang on you've got two choices here man and it's clearly not you. Is it weird or grumpy? I still don't think it's you. It's not me.

I feel like we have an unseen leader that guides us. He does a good job running all the administrative side of things, doesn't he? He does. He does. It's amazing. It just happens. An unseen leader. This doesn't he? He does. He does. It's amazing. It just happens. An unseen leader. This isn't the church, man.

You are a good leader. You are a fearless and servant-hearted leader. Servant-hearted? Yes, yes. You do things. You do things to help. Oh, no, you're making it sound a lot more sort of kind-hearted than it actually is now.

Yes, I know. I'm being ridiculous. Yes. You're not a leader. I have a leader. I'm just not servant-hearted. No, you're a fearsome. Fearsome.

Scary leader. Thank you. I forgot what our names were before now. Weird and what? Weird and... Weird and grumpy, wasn't it? Weird and grumpy, yeah. Let's stick with weird and grumpy. Thank you. What were the, I forgot what our names were before now. Weird and what? Weird and. Weird and grumpy, wasn't it? Weird and grumpy. Yeah.

Let's stick with weird and grumpy. All right. So, Simple Pleasures. Oh, that was kind of a podcast idea. I actually had another podcast idea. I just wanted to quickly run by you, Tim, like another one that just sort of sprung into my head as we were starting. Right. So, this is like off the record.

Is that right? Off the record. I don't know if it's off the record, but yeah. Proceed. It's just like, it's off the record but yeah proceed it's just like it's just spontaneous because this one's timely because we don't often you know we don't often attach the podcast to things that are timely and newsy because well you know our podcasts are timeless that's right we want future generations to listen to this and appreciate it as much as

civilians do today indeed but i will point out that as we're recording we have just come off the back of another one of these minor news stories where something gets hacked and this time it was twitter getting hacked oh yes there was some scandal at twitter all the details haven't come out yet but what happened was all these famous people had their accounts compromised and there were tweets from people like barrick obama and elon musk and all that saying send me a thousand dollars on bitcoin and i'll send you two thousand dollars back yep which is ridiculous like who in their right mind's gonna see that and not think something's gone wrong here indeed but a certain number of people did send a thousand dollars to

this hacker's bitcoin address twitter have, fixed it up now apparently, and we'll see what happens. We don't know what the full story is yet. It looks like maybe someone who works for Twitter was doing something a bit naughty. But anyway. The Twitter police will be onto it. But it did make me think of a podcast idea,

which is kind of called hypothetical hacking. And it's all about, and the idea is obviously most hacking you know probably all hacking i imagine is illegal so in our hypothetical scenario we're going to ignore the legalities of things yes and just for fun imagine that tim and i had any technical prowess whatsoever yes clearly we don't if you've ever heard us try to set up the podcast if tim and i were like super hackers what are some things you'd do? If you could, for half an hour, send a tweet from all the most powerful people in the world's Twitter accounts because you got the password,

what would you do? How would you, you know? Because I think this person wasted an opportunity. Whether they wanted to do something mischievous, criminal, self-serving, I didn't care what they were trying to do. I think they did a stupid thing just saying, send me $1,000 to this Bitcoin address and I'll send you $2,000 back. Like it seems like the crudest of email scams to me.

What would you do if you could suddenly tweet from Barack Obama's email account? No, this is a really good idea. Lovely thing to think about. as email account. No, this is a really good idea. Lovely thing to think about. They have wasted an idea because they could have, it could have been a moment of advocacy or, you know, genuine protest.

Yeah. And they've just, and you can always follow the money later and they'll get found and it's, I think it's a small amount of money. You're right. If he had tweeted, he or she had tweeted some like you know wonderful message of peace for the world from all these people's twitter accounts right you know love one another or something like that and then it was found out it was a hack and it all got revealed not only would that person probably not go to jail because they didn't do because all they said was love one another they'd probably end up getting all these like book deals and uh speaking engagements and they'd end up being a millionaire they could have

yeah yeah it could have been a moment for like refugees or climate change or something like that and they'd probably get a nobel prize that's right that's more than they made from the bitcoin scam tweet it out give me a nobel prize yep They probably wouldn't have got one. No. Tweet out something else. Yeah. Yeah. If they were a dwarf, they would be greedy. That's what they would be.

They were greedy or dopey. Greedy or dopey. That's right. Yeah. It's good. Well, I would obviously probably, I would say check out the Unmade podcast. You couldn't help but just be able to link to the great podcast and see that. Yeah, yeah.

That might get you a Nobel Prize too. People would be so grateful. Yeah, yeah. I wouldn't even mention the Patreon or the T-shirts. I'd just say, go listen to the podcast. It's free. That's right. Yeah.

That's right. That comes later. That's right. Yeah. That's right. That comes later. That's great. What other hacking could we do? Like, you know, what would you want to hack into? We could hack into, like, find out the truth about, like, Area 51 and all the secrets. That's about the possibility of alien being crash landing? Is that the Area 51 where they think?

Yeah. Oh, it's where they've got all the spaceships in a hangar and stuff like that, you know. It's where they take all the alien bodies when they crash on Earth. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be interesting. Yeah.

You could really find out that sort of stuff. It really gets, there's an idea in terms of the deepest secrets. I mean, this sort of biggest, deepest secrets, you know, is sort of the name for every sort of dodgy documentary that's on late at night. And, you know, B-grade documentaries, the secrets of this, that. But the genuine secrets out there to be able to find out what they are. The 11 herbs and spices. Indeed. Indeed.

Well, that's, I mean, I wasn't going to think that high, but. Do you think that's on computer anywhere or they only have that written on paper? I think they've reached that point where they know it's the only way to avoid it being hacked is to type it out on paper and lock it in a safe. That's the only way. You could hack into the KFC system and finally sort that gold card. That's true. Find out what's going on with those gold cards. Where are they? Have they ever been distributed? To whom have they been distributed? What is the requirements involved yeah if you could ask well what things can you get to through asking the right person like i always think you know how barack you mentioned barack obama right so if you could hack into barack's computer or you could

hack into you know the cia or the things that the president knows yeah how much do you reckon he shares with his wife like do you go is it sort of like you don't tell anyone this much do you reckon he shares with his wife like do you go is it sort of like you don't tell anyone this or do you reckon he goes home and says you wouldn't believe turns out there are aliens at 51 she's like oh i knew it all right good night and you know what i mean like is it well what would you do if you were the president Would you tell your daughters? I'm just imagining you're the president and you're like doing like the, you know, state of the nation or something address. And just as you leave to go to like Washington, D.C., to the capital to do the speech,

your girls are like, make sure you say the word beanbag and carrot. Oh, yes, that's right. It just gets to the end my fellow americans and beanbags that is just by the way a very helpful early reminder and i'm not gonna say anymore yes good i reckon between those two ideas i've already had the the hacking one I'm not going to say any more. Yes. Good. I reckon between those two ideas I've already had, the hacking one and the simple pleasures, I've pretty much covered my responsibilities for this episode.

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Storyblocks.com slash unmade. Check them out people oh well mine look i'm keeping it pretty light like yourself you may recall that when we were on the island together now i've forgotten the name of steep hole that's right steep home it was i was just telling you i was just talking about it the other day. I can almost see it from my window. So when we were over there, one idea that I shared on our recording over there was photo roulette or iPhoto roulette. Yes. Where you open your photos on the phone, flick through a few times and go bang, and you talk about the photo that you land on. Yeah.

This is a variation of that idea, basically. But it's a little bit more hardcore. It is internet roulette or safari roulette, internet roulette probably, where you open up the phone and on an iPhone, you can do this. I don't know about Android devices. I'm sure it's similar. Basically, there's a whole page of pages you've been looking at over the last year. You know, they seem to add up forever on your iPhone. You flick through and go bang and see what was, oh, and it instantly takes you back to that moment. And you've got to talk about and explain why were you looking at that particular page?

What was going on that day? Sort of like your internet history reel app. It is. Oh, yeah. It's the history. That's right. That's right that's right okay do you so i and i thought that might be an avenue for an interesting discussion some of its

important stuff some of its trivial stuff some of it's just the news bit or an open from a news app or whatever it is but yeah really the way to explain this is for us to do it do you have your phone nearby i do do, yes. All right. Delete search history. Delete history. Delete history. First one that comes up, podcast ideas.

Next one that comes up, more podcast ideas. KFC online. Order KFC. KFC delivery. So, okay. So, I i've got my where do i go like what do i yeah i think you open up you've got an iphone i think don't you say safari yeah and then down the bottom right hand corner hmm hang on i've got to check this you go down i've got like favorites and frequently visited but i don't know where my whole history is no you just go safari and then down the bottom right hand corner they just you press that little

file thing and they all line up they all jump out like files and you can scroll up and down and stuff oh these are ones that are actually open then that are currently open indeed indeed that's right okay right hopefully you haven't got a tab open for every single web page you've ever looked at do you ever go through and shut them i don't ever go well if i'm hell bored i might but they all i've got loads not all right i'll tell you what i've got i'll tell you the ones i've got open at the moment because i don't have many bbc sport page so i can look at sports results a a wikipedia search on a ceo of a company because I had to interview him. So I wanted to see who he was. Another BBC sport page, another BBC sport page, another BBC sport page, a YouTube content manager thing,

a Wikipedia search on a Japanese word researching for today's podcast. And that's everything I've got. How do you have them only so few? Every time I open a webpage, it seems to add another one of those. Well, because I occasionally, because when it gets like, when there's like 30 or 40 of them, I realise that's a pointless thing and I go through and I shut them all. Ah, I could never be bothered doing that. See, there's a little X at the top, or you don't even need to use the X. You can just swipe to the left and that swipes them away. Yeah, I know. I know. I know. But I just never do that. Like, why would I sit there and do that with my thumb when it's just like they're just sitting there?

Are they taking up valuable data space in the world or are they just... I guess not. So, okay, do a roulette then. Seeing you've got lots of them, do a couple of big swipes and stop on one and tell me what you get. On mine?

Yeah. All right. Well, I can't do it on mine. I haven't got them. One, two, three. Oh, I've hit the top. Okay, I'll flick back down. Oh, it's my do it. I haven't got them. One, two, three. Oh, I've hit the top. Okay, I'll flick back down. Oh, it's my own church webpage.

Maybe that's my story. Well, while I'm here, let me do a little promotion. Oh, look, it's Storyblocks. I was going to say. Oh, okay. So, this is a Wikipedia page for the Metallica album Reload, which I just looked up the other day because I was wondering if it sold more than their album Load. So, I literally just looked it up on Wikipedia to have a look.

Right. Yeah. I do find it interesting, though, that the thing that you search in your spare time is what album sold more than what other album. And the thing that I search is like, you know, who scored more runs than someone else in sport. Like it's always just checking little trivial numbers. Yes.

How many catches did Jeff Dujon take in his test career? You just have to know. It's just ridiculous. And then you forget straight away. Yeah. I've opened, I flicked again and I've opened up and it's come up on the, it's sort of a Google information page for, this is a coincidence from before, Christian Horner, who's the manager of the Red Bull Formula One Grand Prix team.

Yeah. Yeah. I was just reading up about him. He's just an interesting guy. And I'm learning more about Formula One at the moment, really quite enjoying it too. I know you're quite new to it because the other day you said to me, did you know that Christian Horner's married to Jerry Halliwell? That's right. Yes. Yes, man.

It's like, you know, did you know that Formula Horner's married to Jerry Halliwell? That's right. Yes. Yes, man. It's like, you know. Did you know that Formula One cars have four wheels? They are a little bit different. I mean, you would have known. Okay, tell me who Mel B from the Spice Girls is married to. Do you know? No, you don't. She's not married, is she?

I have no idea yeah but like okay if you watch formula one a lot it's pretty well known like sometimes she's she she comes to races and stuff like that and it was when they got married it was a big deal as well and ah right okay it's pretty common knowledge in formula one right right well he's not not keeping it a secret i imagine tim tim blew. Tim blew the lid off that one. Did I mention I'm married to one of the Spice Girls? Oh, yeah. And I manage a Grand Prix team.

Oh, right. Okay. How's life going for you? All right. If you could have a choice between either being married to Ginger Spice or managing the Red Bull Formula One team, which would you choose? That. Let me just, before I immediately jump to saying I would manage the Formula One team. Yeah.

There's no way in the world I can answer the other one. And I actually wouldn't want to be. But let me just point out, she was my favourite Spice Girls back in the day. Oh, so you'd rather be married to her. No, I'm not saying that. It's not a fair comparison because back in the day, I didn't have a favourite Formula One manager, you know. Red Bull wasn't around in the 90s.

It's not a fair comparison. Yeah, fair enough. Why was she your favourite Spice Girl? I know you don't want to be married to her. Yes, you do. I think I just thought she was the prettiest. She really pretty and um yeah i thought she was a pretty she's also kind of the sort of fun loving kind of sassy one you know what i mean like she had the biggest personality yeah yeah she had that cool union jack dress it was very iconic i mean she is the

most iconic of the spy skills probably because of that dress probably yeah although pos she is the most iconic of the Spice Girls, probably because of that dress. Probably, yeah. Although Posh is probably the most famous. Yes. More for her marriage afterwards with David Beckham than she is for even the Spice Girls. What, she's married to David Beckham? She is. Did you know that? Are they keeping that a secret in England?

I'm surprised you haven't texted me to tell me that yet. Did you know? Just while we're talking about Spice Girls. I have to say, let me just say this. In defence of the Spice Girls, right? Yeah. I'm no big fan of, I mean, I know we've talked about New Kids on the Block. I'm no fan of boy bands or I guess girl bands, you know, this kind of pop music.

Yeah. Except I have to say of all of them, I reckon the Spice Girls is the best. I think they're the best of all boy and girl bands. I think their songs are cool and fun and better than the average pop songs. That's what I'm saying. Call me crazy. Call me weird or grumpy. But I think they're the best.

Well, no, maybe from Take That. Take That are pretty good too. Like their songs are better than the average pop songs what's the difference between a boy band and a band full of males like why is why are the beatles not a boy band because they play instruments a boy band you have to play the instruments well that well i mean does that mean take that aren't a boy band because um what's his face plays the piano well Well, he's the talented one. He also writes the songs. He's quite an exception.

You're talking about Gary Barlow. Yeah, so they're not a boy band. They are a boy band. I think they're called a boy band because they're put together in an artificial way. In other words, they didn't just meet at school and become a band and practice and stuff. They were put together by, you know, a marketing sort of guy,

and they were put together with their looks primarily in mind before their musical ability. Does that make us a boy podcast? Weird and grumpy. Your new favourite boy podcast. We were put together based on our looks. A podcast genius out there put us together and said, hang on, this is a winning formula. That's good.

This is it. Now you be the leader and you be the good-looking one. But we're not going to see him. Yep, exactly. Yeah. Just imagine. That's why you put. Just imagine.

Spent more time talking about the Spice Girls than I did about my idea. But anyway. What was your idea again? I can't even remember. Oh, something about roulette. Remember? Roulette. Oh, yeah, that's right.

Internet page roulette. And it came up that you were looking at the Spice Girls and we got off track from there. So. Yeah, I mean, that's a good idea. I'm not sure everyone in the world would be comfortable with sharing their search history, but some people might be. Also, mine would very often involve lots of things to do with nuclear bombs because I tend to spend a lot of time in my research

doing things about plutonium and nuclear weapons because of periodic videos. So I'm sure I'm already on a watch list somewhere for that reason. Right, okay. Shall we do an idea from a patron? Yes, please. This one is very different. Hello, I'm Oleg.

Where do you think Oleg's from? Oleg. Every time you ask me this, I'm going to say Canada. Yeah, not Canada. No. Oh, gosh. Hang on. No. Oh, gosh. Hang on. Sorry.

The very person who sent you the minties just appeared at my window at work in the dark. Did he get the minties? No, she does not. Are you talking about the minties now? Did he get them? Do you like them? You did send them with insulation, didn't you? Is she still there? Is she still there is she still there no she's walking her partner just jumped in out of the dark and scared the heck out of me is she there uh do you

want me to call her back yeah get her on katrina she's coming back all right do you want her to come inside or just yeah put her on give her the headphones for a sec katrina do you want to come on okay brady you there yeah can you hear me yeah i can hear you so sit in the chair uh-huh don't make any noise with the chair or anything all right can you hear me brady i can all these things tim's telling you to do like to be careful with the microphone and show good podcast discipline. He does none of those things himself. That's all right. Do what I say, not what I do. That's not fair. That's not fair. I'm learning.

Tim, this is not your moment to shine. This is Katrina's moment. Fair enough. I can see I'm being replaced. Continue with the audition. Thank you for my minties. Oh, you're very welcome, Brady. I'm so sorry they didn't turn out the way they were sent to you. Was it you who botched the sending or was it Tim? Well, I don't want to point fingers, but I can say when I handed them over to the delivery man,

they were in very good condition. Mint condition, in fact. They're in mint condition. Do you think you can sort some more out or not? Well, I can, but I mean, Tim and I had a conversation about how you can guarantee that they'll get to you with no faults. And I'm not convinced that I can do it just by posting them. I think I might need to actually do a personal delivery. And that seems quite an investment to, you know, while I really want you to have some minties, I don't know if I'm that committed to it, Brady.

I'm sorry. I think you should do it. I think you should do it. I think they need to be flown business class. As long as you pay for the tickets, I'm on board with that. Well, you don't necessarily need to be on the plane. I'll just get one seat for the minties and they can just strap them in and then we can have someone pick them up at the airport.

Well, that's right. I mean, you know, you can send children over and the stewardess have to look after them and just be the same deal with the Minties. Yeah. I can just see the stewardess going, oh, seeing this bag of Minties going, are you okay? Are your parents here? Are you all on your own? Would they get one of those activity packs, you know, that they used to give to kids on Qantas? They should. Maybe they will do that. I don't know. You know, that they used to give to kids on Qantas? They should.

Maybe they will do that. I don't know. You know, recently they flew the Ashes trophy, cricket trophy from England to Australia, and they gave the Ashes its own seat in business class. Oh, really? I know this because my mate flew the plane and he took a picture for me. Because did it have a special escort?

Surely the Ashes would have. I think so. I don't think they just got someone from Cricket Australia at the other end to pick them up off the plane. I think they probably had an escort as well. Yeah, that's it. All right. Well, we'll have more conversations about this.

Maybe we'll get them flown business class. I'll have a talk to some contacts at the airlines. But in the meantime, if you can sort out a couple more bags, I'll send the money for the Minties because you've already forked out once. I'm not going to make you do it again. In fact, no, I think Tim should pay for them this time because he mucked up. Oh, hang on. Hang on.

Tim, Tim, this is not your moment. I was going to say, if there's any other delicacies, you know, from Australia that you struggle to get in the UK, just let me know. Because I remember when I was living overseas, I really craved wagon wheels. And I just sent that out to a family email. And soon enough, my aunt sent me a packer. And that was very well received. I still remember that.

That's over 10 years ago. I'd be up for some wagon wheels. Yeah, you want some wagon wheels? I'll tell you what else I wouldn't mind. And I think that could handle the trip better than minties. Some savory shapes. Oh, yes. Absolutely.

Yeah, they wouldn't melt yeah for sure chicken twisties are good too but chicken twisties i feel like don't have good uh volume like they're very the bags are very big for how much food you get but that's right interesting specifically chicken twisties not just the regular cheese twisties there are lots of things over here that i like cheese twisties that like i feel like my cheese twisties hankerings are catered for over here that are like cheese twisties that like i feel like my cheese twisties hankerings are catered for over here in the uk but there's nothing like chicken twisties right okay thank you very much no worries thanks brady thank you for thank you for trying with the minties and i'm sure we'll get it happening soon i did eat a few of them but i had to eat them with the wrappers

oh that's really disappointing i know they were still pretty good actually i don't know if they were good for my digestive system, but they still tasted good. Very good. All right. Thank you. All right. See you, Brady.

See you later. Bye. Thank you, sir. All right. Let's get back to this. Oh, that's lovely. You made her night, man. Let's go.

I can. See you later. That sounded, she was just a little bit too witty for my liking She put in, like Like there was the mint gag And then there was a few that's rights And I just thought, well, hang on a second But you said we needed a third

You said we needed like a third person to work So we can be weird, grumpy and the minty girl Oh, well, hey, that sounds That sounds like a successful formula She could be in Let us know Let us know, people, what you think a successful formula. She could be in. Let us know. Let us know, people, what you think. Do you want Katrina to replace Tim?

I'll put a vote on the Patreon page. Well, hang on a second. Well, hang on a second. That's not. Replace is different to joining in with to be a wacky trio. I think two is enough, really. Really. And I think Katrina and I had a good luck podcast chemistry

Far better than you and I Thankfully she's not at all grumpy Let's get back to Oleg You were going to guess where the patron called Oleg was from Oleg, okay, well like I said, I was going to say Canada No, it's not Canada It's a country you've been to in recent times In recent times, okay, in recent times.

Okay. Recent-ish. From the States or from England? No. Oh, where else have I been? I don't know. Singapore? I'll give you a clue.

Jesus went there. Oh, indeed. Yes. I forgot. It is Canada. It is Canada. It is. Israel. Israel.

Oleg is a software engineer from Israel. He says, we have a dog, Russell. We didn't choose the name that we were raising from four weeks old to be a seeing eye dog. He dropped out because of some medical problems and we got to keep him. I'm attaching a couple of photos. I'll include the photos in the notes. Cool. My idea relates to that.

You could do a podcast about a dog's life when it's training to be a seeing eye dog or a group of dogs so there's a greater chance that one of them succeeds. Every episode would be an interview with a person or people that are training the dog at that stage, just to show that there is lots of content here. In the first month, they are trained to get used to human contact. Blind people check that their dog is healthy by touch. Then they spend a year with a family like ours.

He is taught to answer some commands, walk with a person without stopping for distractions, taking an escalator. After that, there are six months of training with a professional trainer. There are a bunch of interesting psychological and aptitude tests that the dog has to pass throughout the training. And finally, the blind person and the dog spend weeks learning how to work together. I think it would be particularly interesting to hear the blind person's perspective.

Love the show. Oleg. Well, that's marvellous. It is a miracle that they're able to train dogs in the way they do they're marvelous it's brilliant it's brilliant that's a really good idea in fact i surely a few sort of uh dog organizations that do this must be making podcasts like this already and youtube channels and stuff like that but i would love i would love to listen to this i mean it it would suffer a little bit from not having pictures

because this is something where you'd so want to see what was going on. But then again, you know, considering that the end users of Seeing Eye Dogs are usually visually impaired, maybe having it as a podcast is an even better idea. Indeed. It's a good idea. And can I say it's a refreshingly different idea? Yes.

Especially from the sort of usual pap you cough up each time. Really quite refreshingly different. Speaking of stuff I cough up. Do another biscuit. I've only got two left now. I was on a board for many years with someone who had a seeing eye dog in the room. for many years with someone who had a seeing-eye dog in the room. And it was fantastic the way, firstly, how well behaved the dog was. That's one thing, you know, and you don't obviously interfere and so forth.

But it was marvellous to see how this person negotiated life and actively involved themselves in all parts of, you know, it was a big, broader church organisation. Did the dog itself have a vote in board meetings? Oh, indeed, yes. Sometimes came as a proxy. That's right. Casting vote.

We didn't like that too much because they always raise contentious issues. Do you know something else you just said there reminds me of another funny thing in life and it happened to me the other day. You know how you mentioned how you didn't interfere with the dog? And it's like, it's a well-known protocol that you don't go up and pat a seeing eye dog and play with it. Because it's like, when it's working, it's a working dog. And you're not supposed to interfere with it. And you know how when you suppress that desire to pat the dog and play with it and give it attention,

you almost feel like a hero for having done nothing. And I think it's quite fun to think of those times in life when you think you're a hero for having done nothing. Yes. There are two other times. One I've mentioned before, and that is when you pull over for an ambulance and you feel like a total hero. Yeah.

But the other one you get where you feel like a total hero yeah the other the other one the other one you get where you feel like you're such a legend is when you drive really slowly past a horse on the road and then the person on the horse waves to you to thank you for driving slowly and not distracting the horse and you're like yeah i'm awesome just give yourself a massive round of applause yeah like oh god god I'm a good person. I'm so good. I didn't play with the dog. I pulled over for an ambulance.

I went slow for the horse. You get it now. In fact, as we're recording, we're recording during this kind of, you know, era of COVID. When you give someone room, because at the moment you're not supposed to go within two meters of people in the street especially in england and like if you see like a group of kids and a family coming down the road and you like step out into the road to give them a really wide berth and the parents giving this knowing this knowing nod thank you very much that was really considerate and you're like and you're like yes yes it was very considerate of me i'm a hero i laid down my life for that family let me let me put my cape over a puddle while i'm at it that's right they are they are these it is astonishing how

how how quickly we congratulate ourselves on these i'd love a podcast of that. What heroic thing did you do today? Do you know what? This morning I made my wife a cup of tea and she didn't even ask. That's right. I just brought it into the room. No, no.

No medals necessary. That's right. That's just how I roll. It is incredible. It is incredible, the self-congratulation. That's right that's just that's just how i roll it is incredible it is incredible the self-congratulation that's right have you been a hero today today have i done something jeez i did a lot of selfish things i'm trying to think if i did anything altruistic whatsoever you gave katrina two or three minutes of your airtime well yeah i mean we'll cut most of that won't we i mean let's be honest katrina who i didn't hear katrina on the podcast what's brady talking about yeah just a little bit too funny there katrina

yeah that that mint condition line will cut that for sure i think there's a there's a nuance to be to be teased out here because i think i did a few things today that i feel i should do like i'll go over and say hello to that person and you know that, that's there or I'll go and support that. They're sort of, you know, around the workplace, around the life of the church, things you feel you should do. But there's another, what you're talking about is something that's almost like the compulsion's not there. Like, it's not that I should do it. It's just that I voluntarily did it. You know, I did the right thing. The thing that those things have in common i guess uh i mean all three of them are just like normal uh good acts just like you know good citizen acts to do right and it's not and most people do them you know you're

not exceptional for doing them i think the thing that sets them apart is you don't often get the opportunity to do them and that's what makes them feel special yes like you don't often see a horse on the road that you can drive slowly past so when you do it it still has novelty like you know like i'm polite every day i say please and thank you to you know people in the shops and stuff but because i do it so often i don't like congratulate myself for it but but if it's something rare like you know not not patting the seeing eye dog because i knew the code i knew i knew what was right and i did it that's like it's a bit different i i find that i um i i'm really big on letting people in you know who are in traffic and oh yeah

that's a good one but if you wave back if someone lets you in and then you give them a wave then you feel like a hero because you gave them a wave? I thank them. That's right. That's right. How considerate am I? I waved back. That's right.

I'm the kind of, I'm a good driver. Like I'm the kind of, if everyone behaved like me on the road, you know, everyone would be much better off. There's also the apology. You know, if you do something wrong on the road like i cut that person off by mistake you know you go up and you actually apologize like give them the the hands up and the high eyebrows of i'm i am sorry mea culpa yeah yeah the me the mea culpa that's right yeah it's like oh that was good of me that was very humble of me i was

impressively humble outstanding there, yes. Outstanding. Because people rarely do that, and yet I was able to avoid. Most people would have gone into road rage and pulled out a golf club and started swinging it at the other bonnet, but no. But no, I admitted my mistakes, yeah. It's a sign of my perfection that I'm willing to admit my imperfections. That's right. It's a sign of my perfection that I'm willing to admit my imperfections. That's right.

In fact, if I was a dwarf, I would be humble. If I was a dwarf, I'd be humble. I wouldn't be grumpy. I'd be humble. Humble. Okay. If I was a dwarf, I'd be humble. Out of context is a very funny line.

What I mean is if I was... If you were one of the seven dwarfs. Cut out the earlier discussion about the seven dwarfs. I would... about the seven dwarfs i wear that um the so uh another one is uh when you help someone like who's got like a stroller or a push chair with a baby like get on and off the tube or up an escalator yeah and like you know they're struggling on their own and then you come along and help and you're like you know oh it was nothing it was nothing. It was nothing. But I hope everyone around realize what an amazing thing I just did. And it's almost like, you feel like you've,

you know, you know how those people, when like a car falls on little Jimmy and they find they have superhuman strength and they lift the car up. You do. You feel pretty strong, don't you? When you just pick the end of a push chair up.

Oh my God. I just did it with one hand this chivalry it's just this chivalry coursing through my veins like adrenaline it's like i've slayed a dragon and then afterwards afterwards you're thinking to yourself that was a really good thing i just did but i can't tell anyone because if i tell anyone I did it, I'll just sound ridiculous. Like if you went home and said to your wife, do you know what? Today I helped a woman with a pushchair down some stairs.

What the hell? What are you talking about? What are you? It's like. You end up sounding like David Brent on The Office, you know, just going, no big deal, but, you know, helped a lady today. No big deal. Just, you know, she was struggling. I was there, you know.

Rather not talk about it. That's right. Rather not talk about it. No big deal. Nothing at all. I didn't even, wouldn't even mention it, but, you know. No, but, you know, seeing it came up. All right, then. Well, you know. No, but, you know, seeing it came up. All right, then.

Well, Oleg. Great idea. Thank you for your idea. Give our best to Russell. Give Russell a pat from us because you are allowed to pat Russell and do whatever you want now because, let's face it, he's a failed dog. He failed the test. Well, you can ask permission, though.

That's the big thing as well is you sort of say, you know, am I allowed to pat? Well, if he's not working and he's just sitting there, you can ask permission, though. That's the big thing as well, is you sort of say, you know, am I allowed to pat? Well, if he's not working and he's just sitting there, you know. No, Russell doesn't get that special treatment. You didn't say what his medical problems were. I do hope he's okay. He looks good in the pictures. I actually was wondering how often seeing eye dogs, like,

don't make the cut. I was curious. I did a bit of Googling before the show. I have to admit, this is just from one site, one particular niche site in Massachusetts that does seeing eye dogs. So I don't know if this is indicative, but they were saying half of dogs don't make the cut and get adopted out. And of that other half, a certain percentage, you know,

become proper seeing eye dogs. Another percentage don't become seeing eye dogs but they were good enough to be like helper dogs with you know people with autism and stuff like that and another section of that half are kept for like breeding because they've got good genes for it and stuff even if they're not a seeing eye dog themselves so about half about half don't make the cut so don't feel bad russell they get sort of redeployed to desk duties and stuff like that. They do. Yeah, they're behind the scenes.

Behind the scenes in sort of admin role, training, recruiting. Accountants. Yeah, things like that. Someone has to do it. Yeah, that's right. Kind of a bit like Tim's role here on the Unmade Podcast. Just kind of, you know, kind of more of a backup admin-y, you know. Failed in the main role, but sort of still comes in handy.

Just hanging around. Yeah. Pat him on the head. Much appreciated. People often say to me, like, can I talk to Tim or like pat him and stuff? And I always say, no, not when we're podcasting. He needs to concentrate his ideas his ideas are bad enough without people patting him at the same time i reckon people could go back and listen through the episodes and you can hear the ones when i've been you know distracted someone scratching my neck or playing with the back of

my ears it's happening now isn't it i can tell is katrina still there no okay all right i think it's i think it's uh i think we're stop patting tim diminishing quickly stop scratching tim's ears he's supposed to be podcasting goodness gracious needs to concentrate all right yeah well thank you very much and that's the end of the show i've got nothing else to say oh i'm stuffed