The Unmade Podcast - 54: The Best Photo I Ever Took

Episode Date: July 25, 2020

Check out Storyblocks for access to an incredible archive of videos, audio and images for your own creations - https://www.storyblocks.com/unmade Tim and Brady discuss comets, photos, a picture in 1000 words, plus a musical idea from a Patreon supporter. Support us on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/unmadeFM Join the discussion of this episode on our subreddit - https://redd.it/hxv7wl USEFUL LINKS This webpage is a useful list of images from the episode IN THE ORDER THEY ARE DISCUSSED if you don't choose to watch on YouTube but still want to follow along - https://www.unmade.fm/episode-54-pictures Comet NEOWISE - Wikipedia - https://bit.ly/2ZZHgXz Some of Brady's Comet Pictures - https://www.bradyharanblog.com/blog/comet-neowise Here's extensive list of 'best phots' sent in by viewers, including MANY which were not discussed on the show but are still amazing - https://www.unmade.fm/best-photos (The pictures also include useful and sometimes detailed descriptions from the civilians who sent them) We sometimes post out-takes and snippets that did not make the final show - Patrons can check out this episode's out-takes by clicking here - https://www.patreon.com/posts/39706744

Just a quick pre-show message, people. For reasons that will become evident, we talk about lots of photos in today's episode. Now, if you want to look at all the stuff while we talk about it, there are going to be links in the show notes, but I've also lovingly created the YouTube version of this episode so that all the photos come up on screen and do all the right things at the right time. So this is one of those episodes that may be best enjoyed watching on YouTube. If you don't want to look at pictures at all, that's fine as well. We always remember this is first and foremost a podcast, so hopefully we talk about the pictures in ways you can easily visualize.

So make up your mind, what are you going to do? It's a big decision. On with the show. in recent evenings i have been going out late late at night taking photographs of a comet do you know about this comet comet neo wise can you even see it from australia you probably can't i don't know i have absolutely no idea i've heard of haley's comet i have no knowledge of any other comments all right well there are other comments besides halley's comet oh. I have no knowledge of any other comets. All right. Well, there are other comets besides Halley's Comet. Oh, really? Yes. And there is one that's just been cruising on by at the moment. It's been in the sky for a couple of weeks. I don't know if you can see it from Australia. You can see it okay from where I am. So, I've been going out with my camera and my tripods and stuff and out to like big open

spaces near the sea and trying to take like classic photos of it and there's been other like nerds like me out at like one in the morning and we've been like gathering together by the seafront and talking photography and talking comets it's been great fun have you not seen any of my pictures on social i have i have seen something about the sky or space or something there. It's just your usual pap. Delete, block. Mute. There has been more than usual, and I have seen you talking about a comet.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, they look great, man. If I posted some pictures of Nick Cave, would that help? Have you got some? Is that- All right, let me ask you a few questions. Okay. Oh, thanks, man. What is the name of this comet again? Neowise.

Is that your name for it or is that its official name? It's its official name. And I'm embarrassed. I knew you'd ask me what it meant and I don't know. So, I have to look it up now on the spot. It is a stupid name. Sorry to Mr. Neo Wise or whoever. It's probably named after a spacecraft.

Let's have a look. History. It was discovered by a team using the Wise space telescope under the Neo Wise program. So, yeah, it was the name of the- It was a name of a program. So, there's not someone called Neo Wise, thank goodness. So, it's named after like a program being done by a telescope in space. And how often does this comet come?

Is it a regular visitor to our solar system? Well, that depends on your definition of regular. I mean, everyone has different definitions of regular, depending on how long they live and things like that. My only experience being Hayley's comet, which I think from primary school i remember is like 75 years or something yeah i think it is i thought it was 76 but yeah it's about you're right it's about that yeah we should definitely go with your your number but

no no that's regular so okay well well i would say this one is probably less regular than that this this is what you would call a long period comet. And here you're looking at more like four and a half to 7,000 years. Oh, wow. So this is the first time you've seen the Oasis. This is definitely my first chance and quite possibly my last. Okay. All right.

Any more questions? Oh, I'm done. What else you got? You're now a world authority on comet Neowise. That's right. Let's do a test to see what you've learned. Why is it called Neowise? It's named after that guy in the Matrix.

You really don't care that much about space stuff, do you? Oh, no. I'm more of the look in awe and, you know, go, wow, and then move on. Rather than look up at encyclopedia and remember facts. That's right. Rather than go out with a bunch of nerds at night and take photos of it. I definitely am not doing that. But I feel like I'm kind of connected to it because I'm your friend.

So, that's cool i like i like it's like i'm one person removed from data and facts and those sorts of intriguing aspects of i mean that's a close connection man if you were at a conference and someone said i'm the person who discovered comet neo eyes would you say oh i i know brady harron that's right yeah my friend once took a photo of that comet. I literally would probably blur that out and they'd look at me like, great, okay. Just a little secret between you and me. I took more than just one photo of that comet.

Yeah, I did actually notice that on Twitter. I haven't got hardly any on Twitter. I took a lot of photos of that comet. At one point, I thought, oh, wouldn't it be cool to get a photo from a graveyard? I'll tell you what, going to a graveyard at 1.30 in the morning in the dark on your own is actually quite scary. Oh, man. Like, hello. Have you not seen BMX Bandits?

Like, is this... I was living the BMX Bandits dream, crawling around that graveyard at night, like, over all the graves and everything. It was freaky, man. And this graveyard's like inhabited by like rabbits and hares that just jump out at random times from behind tombstones. Oh, gosh. Like I think they're messing with me. Wow.

Was it like Michael Jackson's thriller where you started dancing and the rabbits and hares lined up and danced alongside you? There was no dancing. There was much photography. I do have a serious question about one of your photos because i noticed there was one of them it talked about you took one i think it was like a a um photograph where it's delayed shot and you were able to capture movement one when it was closer and another part of it when it was further away is am i on the right track there that's not the comma because the comma, for all intents and purposes,

like in the course of a night, pretty much appears stationary. Right. And it just moves through the sky as the Earth turns, like the moon does and the stars do. Okay. What you're talking about, I think, was a photograph I took of the International Space Station because while I was there, the space station went over a few times

and that moves really fast through the sky. Oh, yes. So if you open the lens of the camera and just point it there it will it will draw like a white line across the sky across the stars as it as it goes past so and that and because it's bright when it's like right overhead and then as it heads towards the horizon it gets like fainter it creates this interesting effect it looks like a streak the line that it draws starts off thick and bright and then thins and gets lighter and lighter

as the space station gets further away. So that was... Does that look like a comet? That's what I thought we were talking about. Yeah, it does. It looks like a shooting star. But the funny thing is that effect is actually working in reverse. So it looks like it's going one way.

You think the thick, bright part should be like, you know, the head of the comet or the you know and everything else streaking in the distance behind it but what's happening there is actually the opposite it's actually in through time it's actually getting thinner and lighter as it gets further away i think that's what your twitter comment was saying like your tweet was saying but i only got halfway through it which is not halfway through a tweet yep and i went i got everything i need out of that i see what's going on that's uh yeah as in you thought it was a comet and it's a space station yeah yeah yeah i got the i got the jest no you didn't i was

like there's a comet going backwards that's basically what he's telling me it's a it's a going backwards with people in it. I get it. In reverse. Reverse comet. Check. Move on. Oh, Nick Cave's got a new song tomorrow. Great. This is a quick message to Tim's girls, who I know sometimes listen to the show. If you're ever doing anything about space school, just phone your Uncle Brady. I'll sort you out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't ask Daddy for help on that one.

It's a reverse comet, girls. I know all about them. Reverse comets. Anyway, this brings me to my idea. Oh, yeah. I've been trying to take good photos and I'm quite into my photography, as you know. You know, it's partly, I guess, because of the kind of job I do.

I'm into making images and stuff. But I'm also just someone who likes photos. And I'm also a bit of a social media tart who likes posting pretty pictures. Yeah. So, my idea for a podcast is called The Best Photo I Ever Took. Oh, hello. Now, I don't think this is going to require Tim levels of explanation. took oh hello now i don't think this is going to require tim levels of explanation i think i think you've probably already cottoned on to how this podcast works

a person talks about the best photo they ever took yeah and i'll tell you and people just love it don't they don't they love telling the story of a photo oh yes oh yes people love their photos yeah now before we talk about the best photo I ever took, what's the best photo you ever took? What are you going to submit for this? Okay. So, now I see. You asked me to look up something earlier in the day. Now I see how this is all, yeah, why this is relevant. And so, the- I said, what's the best photo you ever took? I wasn't, like, sneaky about it. No, I know. I thought your idea was going to be, anyway, a little bit more abstract from that.

But you basically just, hey, man, send me the best photo you ever took. Cool. No worries. Yeah. Look, it's funny. I went to Instagram, assuming I would have taken some amazing snaps and maybe put them there. But there's not. And I went flicking through other places and there's lots of, it's a really interesting question in the end because there's

a lot of photos that are sentimental or personal or attached to a memory, but they're not maybe great photographs. There's also, of course, a heck of a lot of fantastic photos of me, but not necessarily ones that I took. So they're disqualified as well. Yes, they are. You're not, this is not an insult, but you're not a guy I associate with like, you know, arty or great photography.

You post interesting pictures that have interesting stories behind them, but you're not someone who I think of as like, you know, getting all pretentious about it or wanting to take amazing photos or trying to impress people with your clever photos you you you take photos more to you know just to document things and times and people and no you like a nice photo but i don't think of you as someone who when you go on holiday will spend four hours sitting on top of a rock for the sun to be in the right place over the tree and all that sort of stuff oh heck no no no absolutely not but i i mean i do have some nice photos,

but I couldn't share those because of the copyright with the fashion magazines that they're associated with. Yeah. But I actually, I get some of my best photos when I'm hanging out with you because you love taking photos and I'll suddenly like, oh, oh, that looks awesome. Hey, I look really cool there. And it's like, it's entirely the photo.

You just know how to take a good photo. And I happen to be in it. But they don't qualify for this either, do they? So before we get to some real good photos, then let's just have you submit one for the sake of it. Well, this photo I've got here is of my mum and a microwave, her microwave. and i think this is a fantastic photo to be this is a brilliant photograph if you know your mum this photo tells a thousand stories to me and it's also just a fun photo it's great it's great because the because of my mum's personality who who my mum she kind She kind of looks a little bit like Mrs Doubtfire, right? And you. She's delightful and happy. She's the kind of mum that loves to cook and loves to cook for people and all that stuff.

But that's the funny thing about the fact that she's so proud of her microwave. Yeah. A, because it's not a classic French cooking sort of photo where she's proud of her amazing oven. It's the micro, it's like a 1980s microwave. And yet mum can do things with that microwave that, you know, are really quite impressive in suburban. She can warm up a Milo like you wouldn't believe. Oh, yes, yes.

She can make that microwave sing she can yeah the amount of two minute noodles that have gone through that microwave and you can see on the handle like on the the click handle to open it how it's worn away like over the years it's been used so much the amount of time i stood next to that microwave waiting for things to heat up and like, or just stood there in that corner of the kitchen. That's also right near where your phone was, wasn't it? Isn't that where you make phone calls as well? Oh, no, it is. It is near mum's phone now, but no, no,

this is in a different place to our other house because mum's moved, but it looks. Well, this photo that you sent me is not in your old house. This is in her new house. No, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's still got that microwave. Yes, yes.

That's unbelievable. We got that microwave. Yes, yes. That's unbelievable. We got that microwave, right? That was given to us as like secondhand from a gift from someone who was upgrading in about in the 80s, like 1987. It was already outdated then. It was like it was secondhand in the 80s. And we've had that. And this photo i took only about five years ago right so that thing is is still going and look mum's so proud of it

i was amazed when we got it it felt like it was a space station you know like it was just so exciting and modern and 1980s you know and we weren't the sort of family that had that sort of cool stuff has it ever had maintenance uh maintenance? No, I don't think so. No? We probably should get it looked at. No, don't touch it. The thing will fall apart. Don't jinx it.

So mum's delighted and she loves it and it's a big part of her. And yeah, it's been there for a long time. It looks like it was taken in the 80s, maybe because of the microwave or because... is that real fruit on top of it or plastic fruit no no it's real fruit yeah okay okay yeah it does have that 1980s cookbook kind of sheen to it doesn't it like it's yeah it's got a sort of yellow it looks aged it looks like a picture of an old picture well it's probably i probably would have filter on it or something, but it does look. Auntie Dawn filter. Yeah, it is.

That's a cool name for a filter, Auntie Dawn. It's just that nice 1980s kind of, yeah, bland sort of analog looking thing. You know, it's. That is a cracking photo. What did you take it with? Did you take it with like one of those box brownie things or no it's like it's just the phone yeah it's you ruined it i do have a whole bunch of really cool old sort of 1970s and 60s and 80s sort of cameras and stuff from mum and

dad from years ago and i've just kept them all and they do look pretty cool that old sort of stuff and i might sort of display them one day or something like that you know like they this looks like the kind of photo that would have been produced in that era by mum on on one of her photos yeah what was your mum's specialty in the micro if what was her like go-to meal you know when what does she really work her magic with well she did she did a lot of reheating of leftovers and that was oh yeah she she actually brought out didn't she didn't she bring out a cookbook of reheating i feel like we were the family that were always having leftovers like i never have i never remember having a meal for the first time it's always like where was where was the primary source for this food i don't know it just felt like it just went on and on it's like oh got leftovers tonight if you

you know and you don't care when you're a kid's like oh great chops like you know throw them down i think mum did curried sausages in it actually when i was a kid i haven't had them a long time but i'm pretty sure they were done in the microwave let me just add a health warning not that i recommend cooking curried sausages in the microwave for anyone out there. Or anything in that microwave. Great photo. Great microwave.

Maybe the best photo I ever took. And the good thing about this photo, I'll probably have it forever and it'll be more sentimental as the years go by. I think the microwave will outlast the photo. What I should do is I should print it out and actually frame it and sit it on the microwave. And I'll take a photo again of mum and the microwave with the photo of her and the microwave. I mean, that's such a good photo, Tim. I consider the microwave to be a memento of the photo.

People will bid for this microwave one day because of the legendariness of the photo. Oh, it's great. It's a great microwave. It's fantastic. Definitely. There's definitely got to be some unmade merch around that microwave somehow. I think it's time I bought mum a new microwave I hope you're joking

Well, maybe we'll keep this one just as sort of like a work of art Like a sculpture, modern art sculpture No, it needs to keep going You know how like there are people who are like really, really old But they keep working And then when they retire, they like die a week after they retire I think that microwave might be like that The only reason it keeps working is because it has to work It has to work, that's right retire they like die a week after they retire i think that microwave might be like that the only

reason it keeps working is because it has to work it has to work that's right yeah and if you took away its reason for being and retired it and replaced it it would just like fall apart like the car and the blues brothers oh yeah that's true so even the food is holding it together yeah will to live it's just it's a will to reheat, it's a semi-reheat, let's be honest. You wouldn't be alive if it wasn't for that microwave, Tim. No, I know. Or you'd be much healthier. Because this is a microwave that meant I stopped.

I started calling two-minute noodles four-minute noodles. microwave that um that meant i stopped i started calling two minute noodles four minute noodles four minute uncooked warm noodles i have to be honest it is the only microwave i've ever known that you have to put wood in To be honest, it is the only microwave I've ever known that you have to put wood in. Tim, go out the back and cut some wood for the microwave. Cut some wood for the microwave. It's coal powered. All right. Well, when it finally retires, climate change will take a giant leap um towards resolving i think the reason there's

so much global warming is because of the heat leaking out of the poor shielding on this microwave yeah i i think it's a it's although mum just seems you know fitter and better than ever so yeah well she's getting superpowers from it maybe mum has superpowers that i don't know about Like what if she can turn herself invisible And we just don't know that sometimes she's like around and stuff Maybe the microwave stopped working years ago And it's just your mum's superpowers that warms the food up She doesn't even realise it

She thinks it's the microwave Her brain says now warm Presses the button It's just a glorified cupboard oh dear i didn't intend to talk for so long about your mum's microwave i know what you're about to ask me now tim man what is the best photo you've ever taken oh man oh i'm sorry to spring it on you like this i'll tell you what i've never inflicted such self-torture on myself oh yeah to try and choose one photo you know how like if i said you tell me your favorite song of all time you would get all wrought and say no i can't choose just

one and you'd tell me like 19 different songs you like and you wouldn't stop talking for an hour. I've got a list right here actually. Yeah, just in case. That's me with photos because I make images for a living. Yeah. I'm naturally interested in photos anyway. I'm really interested in exotic, interesting locations. I really make an effort to visit lots of interesting and exotic

locations like you know mount everest and antarctica and bhutan and all these places so i go to lots of places that i would argue it's almost impossible to take bad photos in yeah and i'm also a bit of a social media tart who loves posting pretty pictures so i have like a billion photos that i'm really attached to and choosing one has just made my head explode. And I'm like, oh, no, but what about that one? And what about that one? But I don't want to be that guy who cheats and lists like 10 photos because that's not a fair move. And that's against the spirit of the idea.

I just want you to know the pain I'm going through to just talk about one photo. It kills me. I may post a secret list of my top 100 photos. But so the one photo I'm going to choose to nominate is, I'll send it to you now. Should I send it to you as a text or an email? Email it. Oh.

What are you looking at? Wow. It's my mum and a micro Oh no hang on No there's a Okay so I'm looking at What looks like the Top of a mountain range

There's a beautiful Brilliant clear sky And A night sky Night sky A night sky A night sky And what

Is that the southern cross Or is it just a coincidental? Probably not where you are. I don't believe it is the Southern Cross. I see what you're talking about. It does look like it is a bit of an asterism there of a cross, but I don't think it's the Southern Cross. But it's a heavily sort of granite or rocky area.

It's obviously up very, very high. It's you and a friend. I can't see who it is. Or it's two people. I can't see that it's you either it's not it's not me actually it's just it's two people but yeah two people and it says eight eight four eight um but it's it's it's like when you've got it's similar to before you open the lens and you move a light around is that right and then it you and it captures what the shape of what you're drawing. And you've got 8848.

So I'm going to guess, is that feet high, 8,000? Which would be on, that would be Everest. Is that right? So what you're looking at is indeed in the background, that collection of mountains, there's a collection of mountains in the background. They're covered in snow. And sort of if you draw a straight line up between the first two eights yep you sort of see a highest point that's peeking over the ridge right not not the peak on not the peak on the right the highest

point above those two eights that just sort of peaks over the ridge yep yep that's the top of mount everest oh right which is is 8,848 metres high. Right, metres, yes, of course. Okay, yep. So, this picture was taken on a walk to Everest. We're on the way there. And those two people you can see who are lighting themselves with a torch are our Sherpa guide and porter who was carrying our bags, Budi and Chandra. Ah.

who was carrying our bags, Woody and Chandra. And my brother-in-law who was on the trip held his headlamp in his hand and wrote the number 8848 in the air next to them and then leapt out of the photo behind the rocky wall before he was exposed long enough to reveal him. So he's not in the picture. But the 8848 he wrote with his torch is left sort of hovering in the photo underneath the mountain. So there are two Sherpas that helped us get to base camp, Mount Everest in the background, other mountains

in the foreground, a rocky wall in a field and a night sky. And that's the photo I've nominated. That's a great photo. That's a very good photo. Let me just ask, there's nothing artificial, there's nothing manipulated on the computer when you got home. This is the shot. Nothing at all. That is the raw shot out of the camera. Nothing's been filtered. Nothing's been adjusted. It's not a perfect picture in terms of focus and exposure,

and it could have been done better, but it's a perfect storm of things I like because there's space, the night sky, there's Mount Everest. It's a cool photo. Like it's got a bit of everything. I will talk about this photograph more later on, Tim. I have more to say about it. So I won't talk about it too much now.

Oh, okay. I'll park it there. Park it there for now. It is beautiful. Thank you very much. I'll tell you what, though. Last night, knowing I was going to do this idea, I put a message out to our Patreon supporters.

And I said to them, what's the best photo you ever took? And an overwhelming number of listeners responded with the best photo they ever took. I've created a web page with almost all of them on there. Not all of them because I was a bit overwhelmed. But if you want to go and have a look at the best photos ever taken by Unmade Podcast Patreon supporters, I will include a link. But I thought we would talk about a couple of them now, maybe, because I think they're pretty awesome. Shall I point out a few of my favourites and then we can talk about any that might catch your eye too? Yep, I'm opening it up. There we go.

Let's start with two photos here from someone called Marcel and Ryan. Yeah. Because coincidentally, I think they have sent photos of the same mountain. And that mountain is the Matterhorn, which is one of the most striking looking mountains in the world. Where's the Matterhorn? It's in Switzerland, isn't it? Okay. It's probably on a border. So many mountains are on borders, but it is on a border.

It's on the border between Switzerland and Italy. Hell yeah. Okay. Now, border. It is on a border. It's on the border between Switzerland and Italy. Hell yeah. Okay. Now, Marcel's picture is taken at night. He is a somewhat better night photographer than me, as you probably gleaned. That is unbelievable. He's taken... I'm sure there's some processing involved there.

I'm not... Well, I'm not sure. I think there is. Because I noticed that the stars reflected in the lake are slightly blurred. I've got lines, meaning they would have had a long exposure. But the stars in the sky are more point-like, which makes me think it's a short exposure. I don't know if he's combined exposures there. I don't know.

I'm not going to... But hang on. What if they're reverse comets? What if they just happened? They could be. Or thousands of space stations all at once, maybe. I don't know. Indeed.

Indeed. Yes. Yes. Yes. Marcel says, Marcel's obviously a good photographer because he says, it was a difficult decision, but in the end, I chose the picture that came into my mind first when reading the post on Patreon, a photo of the Matterhorn under a beautiful night sky with a band of the Milky Way behind it. So that band you're seeing there is the Milky Way, obviously.

Yep. A big fan of mountains, photography and astronomy. This photo has long been a dream of mine. He writes a lot more about how he took it and what went on. So you can go and have a read of that if you like people. And just below that on the webpage team, we have Ryan. Ryan took this photo just in February on a trip through Europe. He doesn't say it's the Matterhorn.

I'm just assuming it is because it looks like it. I could be wrong. It does, yeah. He says about his photo, I took it and it is now on my iPhone, Apple Watch, and is my default Teams Zoom meeting background. And I don't blame him because it's a wonderful picture as well. This one's taken during the day. But fantastic.

They both could pass for the default Apple screensaver, you know, or background rather. The next photo we're going to look at involves the panorama feature on the camera. And a few people have used the panorama in creative ways that we'll talk about. This first one is from Spencer. He's taken a picture of a church. He's used the panorama vertically. So we see the church and the ceiling all in one. It's a very, very long vertical photo.

I don't know what the church is is it one you're familiar with do you know i'm no connoisseur of these things but i think i do know which church this is yeah i'm going to suggest that it might be the brompton oratory in london okay and it's a catholic church it's right next to another church called holy trinity brompton it's a beautiful church and i was in there a couple of years ago And I just love it And do you know the reason I went in there This is a funny coincidence

Is that Nick Cave has a song called Brompton Oratory And I went to have a look inside it Alright But I could be wrong but it looks very similar It's like a big vault But of course I mean gosh yes I could be wrong I was only in there for a few minutes there are a lot of fancy pants catholic churches with nice ceilings around

the place but i don't know you may be right spencer didn't say so spencer let us know is tim right let us know um yep but also using the panorama was clara and this is an interesting one she says i took this intending just to take a panoramic picture with my iPhone of a lovely rainbow on the farm where I live in the US state of Virginia. I was startled to see a flash as I panned. And this is what resulted. I'd been thinking of going out into the field for another shot, but abandoned this idea, lest I die from another lightning strike.

So this is a wide picture of almost a full semicircle of a rainbow and going right down the middle of the picture, like almost in a perfect straight line, there's the crack of a lightning bolt sort of almost perfectly bisecting the rainbow. Actually, it's a double rainbow now I look more closely. This is one where luck was on Clara's side. Yeah, that's incredible. Really incredible.

It's so perfectly positioned. It's almost like it's the crease in a page's incredible. Really incredible. It's so perfectly positioned. It's almost like it's the crease in a page opening up of a book. It does. It looks like it does. That's exactly what it looks like. It looks like a book that has been opened wide. Yeah, good call there, Tim. And another very interesting panorama picture that I think you might like

from Jason. Oh, well, look at this. that I think you might like from Jason. Oh, well, look at this. This is a whole stream of teddies and toys and dolls and then Jason's daughter. And they're all lined up in a way that's kind of fun and creative. So you actually have to look closely to realise, oh, there we go, there's the daughter there.

That's great. This is a photo of my daughter with her dolls I took a few years ago. We were playing and the idea came when they were somewhat laying in a row. The iPhone had a new feature called panorama mode. So it was a good opportunity to make use of that mode. I like the composition and the way she looks in the camera. If I were to take the photo again with all the dolls now, I would have to climb a really long ladder to fit them all in one photo.

It is lovely the way that they're all upside down and then the daughter is the right way up and looks creative. You can see that, you know, being a nice photo on the wall with the balance of colours. Lovely, beautiful. Well done. All right, Tim, this next photo has been sent by Jake.

And I'm curious what you might think of this one because one of the few things I imagine you do occasionally enjoy is a bit of gig photography when you're out seeing a band. And this is what Jake's done here. Yeah. I'll read what Jake said about his first. This is what I consider the best photo I ever took, which interestingly is the result of me being a bit of a crap photographer.

It's a picture of my favourite band, Babymetal, during their show in San Francisco last year. I had a normal ticket for the show, but was given a VIP ticket by another fan and ended up in the front row. I took a ton of pictures, but I really like this one because of the blurred effect it has, which is the result of a very delicate technique called not holding the camera steady. I think it adds a very cool feeling of motion and energy to the photo. So, this photo is sort of all pink and purple and the members of the band seem to be dancing. But because of the movement involved, they kind of look all shaky, but it makes it look really dynamic and cool. It is. I think the key to a photo like this,

because I've also taken a lot of photos in gigs and people are moving around, which is part of the effect, but at least one part of the photo has to be still. You need a little bit of clarity to set off the rest. And he's got that here because the girl closest to us has a, you know, you can see her eyes and her face, you know, quite well. And yeah, yeah, it's good. What's the best gig photo you've ever taken have you taken a do you remember any have you taken a few i've taken two that i really liked one was of the band midnight oil back in the 90s and that was one where you know

when you submit your uh film at um you know the chemist or kodak or whatever and you get them all back and on it on one of them which just looked really good or everyone looked really great on the stage there was a little sticker saying you know recommended good shot basically you know this is this is a really good one though and they sort of were recommending maybe you get that one you know framed or or um expanded or something so for all the all the young people listening who are completely dumbfounded by what tim just said there was a time when we used to have to take our film to the shop from the camera and have them printed. And then eventually they cottoned onto the fact they could make more money out of us by getting us to get reprints of our best pictures. So,

they'd put a little sticker on any pictures they thought you might want to consider for reprinting from the negatives, which is very clever because you get flattered and want more copies of it, but also reminds you how kind of freaky it was that someone else was looking at all your pictures yeah that's the funny thing isn't it that they would look at them and do them and then hand them back to you and gosh it's strange now the other one was a um more recently and again this is i'm now mentioning nick cave the third time in this episode he right at the end of a show about five years ago he climbed out sort of onto people's shoulders and um was and just sort of stayed there in one position and sang a

very slow song just sort of holding on and and sitting on people's shoulders like and people's arms and he and it was just intense and i just happened to grab because quite close i took a a bunch of photos and they're all pretty rubbish, except for one that just came out looking really great of him there, sort of on people's shoulders. And I really liked that one. Yeah. Nice work.

Now, look, there are lots of great photos that we could talk about here, but I guess we better crack on. Do go and have a look at them. I'll give some honourable mentions in a moment. But, Tim, were there any that you, you know, in scrolling caught your eye or you wanted to give an honourable mention to? Ooh, a little honourable mention. There is.

There's one of just a table full of food, and I just think it's just marvellous. It's a whole range of food. I love the colours and I love how busy the photo is. And that's, again, we used to have a lot of placemats and posters like that in the 1980s with a whole bunch of food up in our house for some reason which was generally a sign of you're not getting anything for dinner that looks as great as that the other one that i really i actually really like is by a guy called nick and he's in a lift in berlin um in the reichstag no less and yes he's taken a photo with a proper camera camera and there's someone standing to the side looking sombre.

This is what Nick said. I believe I snapped in the Reichstag elevator in Berlin in 2011. Actually, I was in that elevator not long ago. Oh, really? Yeah. You get this elevator to go up to the roof where they've got this really cool complex up on the roof of the Reichstag, which is sort of where the parliament is in Germany.

That's not you on the left, is it there? That's not me. I chose it because of the strange combination of moods and the solemn suited guy to the left in contrast to my goofy friend and myself. I remember taking this picture hastily, but I'm very happy and proud of the result. It's a precious memory of my younger self and of what we did back then. Also, the green above my head is a nice little artifact of the infinite mirror. So, Nick has taken like a selfie with a DSLR camera.

So, the camera's obscuring his face and he's taking of the mirror in the elevator. So, you see him taking the photo, you see the lift attendant just sort of looking very serious next to the buttons and his friend on the other side. And you see them reflected to infinity in the bouncing mirrors of the elevator. Very cool picture. Very cool picture. It is a cool picture. And the reason I think I like it, not just that it looks cool, but I know that effect with the mirrors on either side is quite a common one. You know, the kids love it when you get in a lift like this but for some reason the casual nature of the way he's holding the camera so directly right in

the middle of the photo and his friend looking relaxed it's yeah it works it really works doesn't look posed it's a great photo i like it a lot let me give a few honorable mentions i'm just going to skip through these people can go and look them up themselves or see them on the screen if they're watching the YouTube video. But I wanted to say I liked the drone pictures from Andrew and Tadas. Joshua Tree from Alex. I'm sure Tim will look at that one later, being a YouTube fan. There were lots of dogs and cats and bees, some really good ones. Bees were a common theme, as were rainbows. I really liked the submarine pictures from Will. Thank you very much. I was very excited by them. Madeline with her horse sticking a tongue out, I liked. And I also liked Erasto's picture, which is the last picture on the page of his grandparents. I think

Tim will probably like this one too. He says, I know that technically it isn't very good, but those are my late grandpa and grandma and the picture captures perfectly the feeling of the days when they used to take us out for lunch and it's just a picture of these two elderly people walking off into the distance along a sidewalk looks really common in every day but when you know what it means to him

you know so often it's the meaning of pictures that mean more than the composition oh indeed marvelous beautiful please go on to reddit and social media and share the best picture you've ever taken it's the meaning of pictures that mean more than the composition. Oh, indeed. Marvellous. Beautiful. Please go onto Reddit and social media and share the best picture you've ever taken because we'd love to see it. There you go. That was an idea. I think that's a good idea.

So your podcast idea, they'd share the photo and they'd talk about how they came to it, the story behind it, where it came from, what it reflects, why it's their favourite, or why it's the best they ever took. You could even do it sort of Desert Island disc style, couldn't you? And have like a celebrity guest come on and do like their five favourite. But I like the challenge of choosing one. Yeah. Yeah. That does make it because you really have to make the decision whether you go with the sentiment or whether you go with the precision

or the competence. You know what I mean? Like, I like, because I know, particularly you, someone like yourself who loves photography, you'd be tempted to go to show something that shows your skill or that really came off after hours of planning, as opposed to something else that was just like a snap and just happened to work.

Or there's also the bragginess component. You know, I want to show you a cool place I went or a cool adventure I had. So, there are lots of competing human emotions here when choosing just one photo yeah yeah what do i you know where am i going with this but shall we do a sponsorship message we shall today's episode has been brought to you by nick cave no it hasn't no no hey you mentioned him first okay okay actually very appropriately today's episode is in fact being brought to you once again by storyblocks and the reason that's appropriate is because storyblocks is a website service archive of video, audio and photographs, which you have complete access to, to use in your

own creations, your own websites, your own videos, your own sort of projects you're up to. You can use them royalty free just by paying a monthly subscription. It's a fantastic resource. I'm using it at the moment and absolutely loving it. I mean, potentially you could go into the Storyblocks archive of images and post them on social media and make yourself look like a way better photographer. I don't know what the ethics are there, but it certainly is permissible. But I thought maybe we should have a quick look at the image archive, look at some of the great photos they have, Tim, and see if there's any that we like. Oh, absolutely.

By the way, if you do this, make sure you go to storyblocks.com slash unmade so that when you go to Storyblocks, they know you came from us. I'm going to search for the Matterhorn, saying we were talking about the Matterhorn. Can I ask you a question while you're doing that? Do you have any sentimental attachment to Mount Kosciuszko?

I have no sentimental attachment to Mount Kosciuszko, which is the highest mountain in Australia. But I do have a fascination with it. I've never seen it. I've never been there. But I do have an obsession with highest points in a country or a state. The fact I've never been to Australia's highest mountain does gnaw away at me a little bit. What about you? Well, it's always been in my mind.

Because I went to Kosciuszko Street Primary School, there's always a funny connection you feel to it as a kid yeah but i've never been there um and i but i like it was a fun word to say kosciuszko it is a fun word here we go there is a fantastic picture of the matterhorn here in the storyblocks image archive high resolution it's like nearly 5 000000 by over 7,000 pixels. You could download that one in a jiffy and put it in your next brochure or on your website or, you know, tweet it out as a picture you love. I'm not saying you should say you took it. In fact, I'm sure it would be wrong to say you took it. But you could just share it.

You could make it part of a project. You could just say, yeah, here's a cool photo. Here's a cool picture from Storyblocks. Yeah, that's from Storyblocks. Oh, I've now slipped over to the video side of Storyblocks and searched Matterhorn, and they have some amazing Matterhorn videos. Really good.

Like with lakes in the foreground and all sorts. So if you were making a film about mountains or the Matterhorn or just a little YouTube video where you wanted to show amazing scenery, get on there, get on Storyblocks, download it. It's yours to use. Storyblocks.com slash unmade for all your archive stock video, sound and image requirements. Thank you, Storyblockscks for supporting this episode.

So Tim, I have another idea involving photos. Oh, hello. This is actually an idea that I've had almost since day one of the Unmade podcast. And hopefully I don't think I've actually ever got around to doing it. I know we do lose track a bit of all the ideas we've done now after all these episodes, but I don't think I've done this one. And I'm finally going to unveil this idea now. It's probably not the world's most original idea, but I felt like it was. And this is called a picture in a thousand words. And the idea of this is you have a budget of exactly 1,000 words to talk, describe, to go through a single image, obviously riffing on the cliche that a picture is worth 1,000 words. Are you given the image and it's a challenge or do you have to find an image? You choose the image and I am going to do a demonstration for you because I am going to use that image we had earlier that

I took at Mount Everest. Right. And I have written exactly 1,000 words about the story of that image and I would like to read it to you now. Oh, okay. I don't know if you've ever heard of a radio show on the BBC called From Our Correspondent, but this is where like foreign journalists will talk about an issue in the country they report from, but they're always very pre-written and scripted. It's not like recorded out in the field. It's a radio show, but it's not recorded out in the field. It's recorded in a studio. And I've always found it quite an odd thing to listen to. My wife really likes it. I always thought it strange because it'll be something like, then I went into the house where the old man was curled in the corner

and the fan was whirring in the background and they always paint this amazing picture. And I always think, well, why aren't you recording that? Like, why are you telling me what happened after the fact? But it's just the genre of that show. It's probably a throwback to an era where recording equipment couldn't be carried around very easily. And they've just kept with the genre. So, this has got sort of a from our correspondent feel about it, where I'm telling you about an incident rather than recording the incident itself. Okay. All right.

So, this is a thousand words I've written about my Mount Everest picture. So, just clarifying, you're not on Mount Everest at the moment saying this. You're at home. I'm at home. Recalling it. I'm at home. We're clear. Here is exactly 1,000 words about that picture.

This picture was taken in the Himalayas on April 22, 2013. I was in Nepal trekking to Mount Everest base camp with my brother-in-law, Werner. It was the second time I'd done this trek, having done the identical journey with my wife the previous year. I wanted a second dose, and my mountain-loving bro-in-law was turning 40. Seemed like a good excuse. Our guides on this occasion was a chap named Budi, and our porter was Chandra. These are the stars of this photo, as I will soon explain. Each day of the Everest trek, we would edge higher and closer to our destination, and at night we stayed in various lodges, or tea houses as they're known, on the

route to base camp. These evenings in the tea houses were lovely. You could rest your aching legs and feet, eat some food, and just relax by the fire. Budi and Chandra became dear companions, and in the evenings we'd chat, learn more about Nepal and the Everest region. I should point out Budi did most of the talking, as Chandra didn't speak much English. But I did introduce Chandra to Angry Birds on my iPad, and he bloody loved it. Each night after dinner, I could see Chandra eyeing up my iPad, and I'd crack it out for a game, the four of us played together, each taking a turn at the catapult. But enough about iPads. This trek was all about mountains.

And the walk from the notorious Lukla Airport to the foot of Mount Everest takes in some of the biggest and most spectacular on the planet. The Everest Massif itself, which also includes the world's fourth highest mountain, Lhotse, is the final destination. But before you get there, there are plenty of other giants, including Amadablam. Amadablam is not the tallest, topping out at 6,812 metres, but it's one of the most beautiful, a perfect peak that would look at home on the Paramount Pictures logo. As you edge closer to Everest, the famous summit starts peeking out at various locations, although it is nestled amongst many other snowy summits which obscure the view.

And this brings us to the photo I'm speaking of. You see, on one of the evenings, we'd reached accommodation that afforded views of the Everest Massif, One of the evenings, we'd reached accommodation that afforded views of the Everest Massif, the cluster of peaks that are essentially joined into one huge uplift of rock and snow. The snow and ice that collect in this bowl of mountains flow down in the form of glaciers, namely the Khumbu Glacier on the Nepal side and the Rungbuk down into China and Tibet. Everest, of course, is the highest of the peaks in the Massif, but other mountains are really mushed up against it. In fact, here's something few people realise. Everest and its neighbour Lhotse differ in height by about 300 metres, but you can traverse from one summit to the other via a saddle which joins them, and you wouldn't need to descend more than about 600 metres in altitude.

That saddle is called the South Coal for those who've heard it spoken of. Now, on the afternoon we arrived at this particular tea house, the massive had become shrouded in cloud, as is often the case in the afternoon. But by the evening, the clouds had cleared and the giants were clearly visible. The moon and stars, combined with a liberal covering of snow, made it stand out on the horizon. Everest itself only barely peeped over the top of her surrounding sisters in the foreground, but she was there to see. I went outside with my DSLR camera and tried for a few pictures, using a slightly longer exposure to allow for the stars. Verna joined me,

wearing a headlamp over his beanie. Then Budi and Chandra came out, probably to check we were not getting ourselves into trouble. It was cold, but we were well rugged up. I'd seen photos in the past where people had used lights and sparklers to write things in the air. On a dark night and with the right camera settings, the person holding the torch will never receive enough photons to be revealed themselves, but the moving light leaves its trace on the sensor. I had Werner go out into a field, Everest in the background, and use his lamp to write the number

8848, Everest's height in metres. When he had written the number, he would leap behind a stone wall so he was in no place long enough for the camera to reveal him. We did it a few times. Vern is an artist by trade and had a real knack for conjuring numbers in the thin air. We looked at the photos on the screen. Budi and Chandra were intrigued. They'd seen a million tourists take a million pictures but this seemed like a new trick to them. I invited them to pose in the next picture. A couple of sherpas would add a bit of scale, colour and character to the composition. After the first try, it was clear we needed just a little more light on them, but not the overpowering flash of my camera. So I asked Budi to hold his

own torch by his chest, throwing some light onto him and Chandra. Werner then went to work with his mid-air writing and once again leapt over the stone wall. The result was a photo that remains dear to my heart. There are Chandra and Budi huddled by a stone wall and posing in the cold night. Behind them, framed by two foreground slopes, is the world's highest massive, its mother Everest just visible among the white jagged fangs. The sky is full of stars and hovering in the air,

almost by magic, are the numbers 8848, a strange yellowy and orange apparition. No filters, no Photoshop, just some fun and games on a trek in the mountains and further adventures await us. A thousand words, a picture in a thousand words nice nice work well articulated nice storytelling beautifully done yes yes very good it would be interesting to know the difference the difference between hearing that before seeing the photo, that I think would be quite an experience.

The reveal at the end would be, ah, there we go, compared to the mind's eye. Do you think that's the way to do it? Do you think it's best to see the photo while listening, have seen the photo beforehand, or not see the photo to the end? It did work that way. I sat here looking at it as you were describing it, and that certainly worked. But I just wondered about the other way, the big reveal at the end.'m not sure i'm not sure about that i did think about that it has the

potential of course to be ah no i was imagining you know the ocean or you know like something totally different but it worked this way yeah yeah so were you looking at it while i spoke i i did i just stared at it the whole time you spoke yeah yeah that's quite absorbing all right well next i want to hear you do a thousand words on your mum and the microwave i i think we did more than that before i want exactly a thousand words in the next episode are you being serious i am i'd love it oh wow okay i can get into the reflection as well you can see all sorts of actually there's some yes no i can see some greater depth and insight into it now play it how you want i think the thing with this idea like in general terms is there are different ways to play it like you can

go into the technicalities of how you took the picture like you could go into things like you know focal length and exposure time and like what kind of camera you used or you can go into things like, you know, focal length and exposure time and like what kind of camera you used. Or you can go into like the emotion of it and the story about it. This is my mum. I love her. She used to make me bake beans. You could talk. You could be funny.

You could be serious. There are so many ways that you could tackle this issue. And I think that would be the beauty of the podcast, just to have one photo and all the different ways people do it with this constraining factor of the thousand words based on the picture is worth a thousand words cliche. You also have the dimension of asking the subject as well if they wanted to comment on it and that could be included too. Maybe your mum should write the thousand words and deliver it. That would be quite an experience yes um there could be a lot of

pauses and a lot of oh no she'd have it written i wouldn't let her freestyle oh right okay wax lyrical we'd never keep her down to a thousand words in that case well maybe maybe i'll um invite her to um have a contribution as part of my thing. Have a think about it. You can let us know next episode. So, Tim, I've gone so long today with my ideas. I think we'll save your idea for next time and just jump straight to a patron idea because we love hearing ideas from our Patreon supporters. And we've got a good one today.

There's been a very good strike rate on the quality coming out of the patron ideas lately. No question. They are making us look bad. They're making us look bad. And today we have Dominic. Hello, Brady and Tim. My name is Dominic and I am from, time for Tim to guess. Israel.

No. No. That was last time. It's not Canada, but it's not far from Canada. He is from Michigan in America. Michigan, lovely. I'm a university student studying computer engineering. Brady may be interested to hear that I'm currently in an internship

testing the computer programs that control various systems on airplanes. Dominic obviously knows that I like airplanes. The tests have to be very comprehensive covering many different states of all the sensors on board so when the work gets tedious i listen to the unmade podcast so rather than concentrating dominic you should you should really be concentrating dominic press pause now and go and check those sensors again. Yes. No laughing, no joking around, no Tim's mum's microwave,

no Nick Cave stories, no Brady pretentious essays about Mount Everest. Get straight to those sensors and check they're working. I could be flying on your plane one day if I ever get to fly again. Now, here's his idea. In my free time, I like to play the cello, which brings me to my podcast idea I call Two Flutes and a Lie. It's a play on the game Two Truths and a Lie, where people have to guess which facts about yourself are true and not. In this podcast, there would be a host and two guests. One guest would be a musician and would record a small solo on their instrument. Then both guests would talk about the solo and the instrument, trying to convince the host that they were the one who

played it. The host and the listeners would try to guess who the real soloist is, and after it is revealed, the guests could truthfully talk about themselves and what they do etc overall i love the unmade podcast thank you for continuing to make such wonderful content cheers dominic now i might be a bit slow but i need this explained to me it might be so this is how it would work right there would be a host and then say you and i were the guests a piece of music solo would be played for example say this one geez i walked into that you did i can't believe it all right and then and then and then what would happen is the guest would say okay thank you for playing that solo which one of you played it and then both you and I would

talk to the host and both of us would claim that we are the musician ah yes I'd say oh yeah I've been playing the guitar since I was 15 and I you know I did this and this is why I played it and then the other one would do it and the host and, and in turn the audience, has to figure out who's lying and who's telling the truth. Yeah, yeah, this is cool. Yeah, that's a good idea. Yeah? There's a good show about this, Would I Lie to You on TV, which is from the UK, actually.

Yeah. But there's also the famous Get to Know You game, isn't there, The Two Truths and a Lie. Surely you've done this at some corporate away day at some point. Maybe churches don't do that kind of thing because it's lying, but quite often. You have to go home if you lie. That's right.

But, like, I've done it before. You go to, like, corporate away days and you go around the circle and you would say, hi, I'm Brady, and you say three facts, and then the other people in the circle have to guess which one of those things you just said is truthful. Yeah, I've done that. Get to know your games and so forth. They're quite stressful.

You spend the whole game just trying to think of something that is a lie that sounds plausible. You know what I mean? You end up saying something quite ridiculous. I've got a good tip for people playing that game, by the way. A really good thing to trip people up is to say you were born in a country that is a little bit surprising. Because that's often like a quirky fact about people that people just fall for it and always think it's true. So, I remember I was playing it once and my lie, my one lie, I think was that i want people to think is true i think i said i was born in papa new guinea and people are really inclined to believe that because it seems like it

could be true oh yeah it's a country near australia and it's it's a weird thing two or three friends yeah totally absolutely it's a weird thing to make up and so like you think because it's not amazing but it's like different and whenever i use that as my lie, I was born in Papua New Guinea, people always say, oh, that's true. I believe that's true. You were born in Papua New Guinea. And I'm like, nah. I was born in Australia. Pretty boring.

The pressure is on as well in those, not to just come up with something plausible and good like precisely the one you've suggested but i feel a bit of a pressure to come up with something that's kind of quirky and interesting too you know what i mean like it's oh right okay so it's the it's the balance between having an interesting story to tell and coming up with a good lie that's plausible anyway anyway i would struggle on the suggested show with the solos tim because say you and i were on and your guitar solo had played, this one, and then we both had to lie. I don't feel like I have enough music knowledge and chops

to bluff my way through. I actually think you probably don't either, but anyway. But I Sorry You would win this Simply because I would say I would tell the truth

Which is Oh yeah I've been playing guitar Since I was 16 And they would Having heard that Would have gone Nah that's not Yeah and I'd say

I know nothing about music And they'd say Oh then you definitely played that That's him That's our man Yeah, and I'd say, I know nothing about music. And they'd say, oh, then you definitely played that. That's him. That's our man. Yeah. I walked you into a room, tripped over a guitar, and that came out.

And they went, yep, that sounds like. Yeah. Well done. You happy with that idea? Would you listen to that show? I bet you would listen to that show. I would listen to it. Yeah, I think it's a good idea. I think there's a bit of fun in it particularly if it could be done if people are good at convincing and they're you know funny in people can get away

with convincing lying if they say something that is kind of you know funny along the way as well you know you sort of like you kind of want it to be true because it's so funny that's that's the um like for example with your with your guitar solo i think the story that i would go for would be i don't really play the guitar but money for nothing was a song that meant a lot to me and my wife so i had three weeks of lessons to try and learn to play just the start solo and that's a recording of me playing at our wedding. I think people would believe that. That sounds like someone who picked up a guitar for a few weeks and just learnt like this one bit of music to play by rote and like, you know,

that sounds like a plausible story to me. Sorry. It is what everyone sounds like the first couple of times they ever go in a guitar solo. Here's me playing it at our wedding day, like, you know, having never really played the guitar before, but just having a few lessons with, you know, feel down the street. Since we've played that and have, like, immortalised it here on the Unmade Podcast

many, many times, have you tried to play it again? Or do you play it now properly and think, see, I am quite good at playing that? Or have you never tried again and it's just like a bad memory? I've done it on two occasions. One was in tribute to Joe for being my 2000th supporter. Yeah, yeah. And the other time was I just was playing at home and I thought

and I tried it and I stuffed it and I thought, no, I'm not playing that again. My fingers just won't go. You have to swap fingers in a funny configuration and they don't go and I have never practised it through enough to get it right. So I literally went, oh, hang on. have your girls ever asked you to play it oh no they've asked me to stop playing it they know not to let you get the guitar out i could put um money for nothing on in the car and they wouldn't even go oh is this the one from the podcast like it's too it's too different anyone who heard the real money for nothing wouldn't recognize that that's right by the way seeing we're almost out of time surely that

reminder of your girls have you dropped in the words secret words not yet no no we need to not yet we've been going over an hour time's up oh it's not no time is not up you've given me a little bit more time okay we need to segue back to talking about the microwave again. Bring up the microwave. Yes. All right. Well, see, we're almost out of time. I'll make sure you do some research on that microwave thing

so you can write your thousand words. Oh, indeed. Can I ask you a question? Have you ever microwaved ice cream? Like, I remember a time. I remember a time. I have. Yeah, I used to. Yeah. And you'd put Milo over the top of it and melt it down a bit. I remember a time. I have. Yeah, I used to.

Yeah. And you'd put Milo over the top of it and melt it down a bit. No, no, no. What I mean is you microwave, you get out the ice cream and it's too hard. So you, you know. That's not a good idea. I did that a week ago and it ended badly. I did that with some Ben and Jerry's the other day and it just destroyed it.

It was a terrible, terrible mistake. The other thing that I've seen come out of the microwave is when you think you're having ice cream and topping and it turns out to be potato and gravy, like it's from the other side of the room, you're like, oh, wow. And then it's just like, put that on the table, you know, and then it's, oh, this is just potato. Okay. It's just got that look. It's just got that perfect look to it coming out of the microwave. Ice cream and potatoes are funny things.

Yep. Yep. You can go home now with your head held high.