The Unmade Podcast - 58: Hazelwood Power Station

Episode Date: August 27, 2020

Tim and Brady discuss a champion gymnast, more Sofa Shop covers, burning off Twitter followers, spoon of the week, a power station, and a Patron's idea involving citizenship tests. Storyblocks, yeah,... come and login... for stock video, pictures and audio at storyblocks.com/unmade - https://www.storyblocks.com/unmade Support us on Patreon - we try to make it worth your while - https://www.patreon.com/unmadeFM Join the discussion of this episode on our subreddit - https://redd.it/ihpnhq USEFUL LINKS EXTRA MATERIAL FROM THIS EPISODE FOR PATRONS includes Tim's aborted idea and an extra anecdote from Brady - https://www.patreon.com/posts/40912505 Our new spoon design Unmade Podcast merch!!! - https://teespring.com/spoon-unmade-podcast Jen Bricker Webiste - http://jenbricker.com Jeff Dujon in action - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPUKy0u6rVY Tim Hein, Mark Latham and River Phoenix - https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/5990824849fc2b4c4fe4211b/1598521636629-3JSRLZ5PHUBI6GLJXXUU/trio.jpg?content-type=image%2Fjpeg Thanks to Han, Sooi, James, Shenyang, Tyler and Joe for their remarkable contributions The Unmade Podcast Crossword - https://www.patreon.com/posts/38876780 Brewster's Millions - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FosFEzsLKiI Tim's Spoon of the Week - picture - https://www.unmade.fm/spoon-of-the-week Churchill, Victoria - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchill,_Victoria Hazelwood Power Station - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazelwood_Power_Station Hazelwood Power Station Demolition - video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjUCDcvSIVc A US Civics Practice Test - https://my.uscis.gov/en/prep/test/civics/view UK Citizenship Test - https://lifeintheuktestweb.co.uk/british-citizenship-test-4/ Mt Woodroffe - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Woodroffe

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Starting point is 00:00:00 For all those listening out there, I took the time to go to the toilet before we started recording. Are you in the New Look office yet or not? No, no, I've come to the college office tonight because the other one's still a work site. Oh, recording in a different room to usual. Back where it all began, really. So it's back in the original. Back to your roots. Yeah, it is nice to be here it's nostalgic same old room same old ideas that's right it's coincidental because i've
Starting point is 00:00:31 managed to find in the drawer a uh some of the old ideas that i might wheel out again give them another run i just don't think you're enthusiastic enough about them at the time so yeah yeah people people have probably forgotten by now. Let's hope so. So, Tim, in the last episode, you told the story of, was it the guitarist or bass player or something from Midnight Oil who was adopted? That's right, yeah, the guitarist. The guitarist.
Starting point is 00:00:55 And later on, when he found his biological siblings, it turned out they'd come to Midnight Oil concerts and seen him perform. That's right, yeah. So one of our listeners on Reddit pointed out an interesting story, which I thought was worth mentioning. There's someone called Jen Bricker Bauer, and I'll just read something from her website. She's sort of like a gymnast, but she hasn't got legs. I don't know why she hasn't got legs, but she hasn't got legs.
Starting point is 00:01:21 Oh, she was born without legs. And this is from her website. Born without legs, one would think Jen Bricker would be destined for a life of hardship. However, the hand of destiny brought her an amazing adoptive family who gave her one simple rule, never say can't, and helped her forge a life of triumph, not tragedy. As a child, Jen was obsessed with gymnastics, and her idol was Olympic gold medalist Dominique Morsenault. I'll go with Morsenault. That's probably wrong. Dominique Morsenault. Seemingly against all odds, Jen went on to compete against able-bodied athletes and became a state champion in power tumbling.
Starting point is 00:02:03 Only later to discover Morsenaau was actually her biological sister. Wow. How's that one? Wow. Yeah. Yeah. That's incredible. That would be like you finding out Dermot Brereton was your biological brother.
Starting point is 00:02:20 Why? Is he an amazing podcaster too, is he? Yeah. Why, is he an amazing podcaster too, is he? Yeah. Who would be the person that would like most be, oh, my goodness, that was amazing if it turned out it was your brother or sister? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:02:37 There's got to be some connection there. Like I've got to have some sort of talent and I don't. Probably no one then, yeah. It's definitely not Mark Knoppler. I was going to say, that would be the beautiful irony, isn't it? Maybe we're like a yin and yang. He's on the northern hemisphere playing it properly. I'm in the southern hemisphere playing it backwards. You know, like it's the mirror image of our life.
Starting point is 00:03:03 Yeah, like back masking. backwards. You know, like it's the mirror image of our life. Yeah, like back masking. You've found all the hidden messages in Money for Nothing. There were none, but it was good to look anyway, wasn't it? It was worth looking. You certainly gave it very thorough inspection. Deconstruction, yeah. What about yourself?
Starting point is 00:03:34 Is there someone that you feel you may have a connection to? Well, I mean, the great West Indian wicketkeeper, Geoff Dujon, would be a good one, but he's Jamaican, and that would be amazing if we were biologically related. Yes, you are many things, but you are not Jamaican. No, no, no. I'm about as biologically different from the douche as one can be. That's great. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:55 I was for a while often and regularly compared to, actually there's been two people. One was Mark Latham, who's an Australian politician, who's not particularly excited about being compared to, but I do look quite a bit like him. And I certainly did a few years ago when he was running as opposition leader, which in Australia means, you know, he's running to be prime minister. So he was very, very famous and on the news every night. So I got that. I'm looking him up. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah yeah when he was a bit younger yeah like i went and
Starting point is 00:04:26 spoke at a youth event at a particular church you know a few hundred young people and stuff and um i'd spoken with them before so that was sort of familiar company when i got there there was like a picture of mark latham on the drum riser like for the band when they were playing before yeah they were paying tribute like that. That was pretty funny. So, Mark Latham, who else do you get told you look like? Well, the other one, it only happened twice, and we've talked about this before,
Starting point is 00:04:51 and that was when I was very young, River Phoenix, which you were always very sceptical of. No way. But I'm holding on to my dear life here if I have to choose. But that's something different, though. That's a physical comparison, a connection, not a... I was once told I looked a lot like Ewan McGregor by a woman at an ATM machine in Nottingham,
Starting point is 00:05:11 but she was absolutely hammered. Right. Like, she could barely stand... I can imagine. She could barely stand up, but I'm still taking it. I think, actually, maybe she was talking to the atm machine he was talking yeah i think so also in the last episode we played a couple of uh covers of the sofa shop theme do you think we need to play the original sofa shop theme every time we bring it up so that people like you know like as a touchstone?
Starting point is 00:05:46 I always worry people will forget what it sounds like, but then. Well, I mean, it's a bit like saying, do we need to remind people what happy birthday sounds like, you know, when it comes time for their birthday? It's like it belongs to everyone. It's global. Yeah. But. Do I play it again? Well, you play it just for the pleasure of playing it, man.
Starting point is 00:06:04 You don't need to play it, but I want to hear it. It's marvellous. That's right. Yeah, exactly. We have a sofa designed for you. Choose your fabric, match your curtains too. The sofa shop ain't gonna cost what you think it will. Don't you do a thing until you see the sofa shop.
Starting point is 00:06:25 There we go. The sofa shop theme. A classic of our teen years. Last week, Alan Stewart produced a few covers for us. We had the Blade Runner version. And we had the lounge, the sexy lounge mix. So for sure, yeah. Why don't you come and drop in? The sexy lounge mix, I've still been playing, like singing all week.
Starting point is 00:07:02 Really? It's become an earworm and I just keep bringing it out. I did the middle of dinner tonight, just sort of did a little head wiggle and went, the sofa's... I know. I like it when he goes, yeah, why don't you come and drop in? Alan, behave yourself, Alan. He's on fire.
Starting point is 00:07:24 If you knew Alan, it's even funnier because he's just such like a decent nice guy right yeah yeah it's the quiet ones yeah it's the quiet it's the quiet ones so anyway so i'm just picturing your wife coming home to the flat and like the the candles are lit and the lights down low and then just suddenly it just starts in the background. Is it Valentine's Day? Every day is Valentine's Day when you've got the sofa shop sexy lounge mix. So anyway, we've had some more listeners turn their hand and turn their instruments to this challenge.
Starting point is 00:08:09 You can do likewise if you like, unmadefm at gmail.com. Here's what we've got so far. I'm just deciding what order to play them in. I think I might start with Han from the Netherlands. Han pointed out he was from the Netherlands because he knows Tim is so biased towards anyone who's Dutch. I don't think it's possible to mention the Netherlands on the Unmade podcast without Tim, you know, acting surprised and going,
Starting point is 00:08:31 oh, my dad's from the Netherlands. Well, it's funny you mention that because I over dinner. Because my dad's from the Netherlands. Because my dad, I just stepped. Don't mention I'm Dutch. Because over dinner tonight, we talked about our favourites. I played them to the family. And I have one that's a particular favourite.
Starting point is 00:08:55 And I'm interested to hear if it's the, because I don't know who the composers or performers were. I'm interested to hear if my favourite lines up with Hans, is it? Yes, Hans from the Netherlands. He says, Dear Tim and Brady, I made a piano cover of the Sofa Shop's ad jingle. It's converted to a minor scale, so it is a bit sadder than the original. Yes, yes, this is it. This is it, the melancholy one.
Starting point is 00:09:22 Yes. Yes. This is also the reason why I named my cover The Sofa Drop. It's the final stop for the sofa indeed. I dedicate it to all the sofas that have been abandoned or otherwise lost. Vertraue und glaube, es hilft, es heilt die göttliche Kraft! That's a magnificent version. I think that's lovely. It moves me. It does make me feel.
Starting point is 00:10:31 In fact, if you watch on YouTube or if you just did watch on YouTube, I'll put the original ad over that because it's kind of got a sadness to it, hasn't it, looking at all those dead sofas? Yeah. It's important to remember. I mean, we often, when we think about the sofa shop, because it's the shop, they're all new. But you've got to remember the sofa shop sofas are out there for decades. And so some are still being used.
Starting point is 00:10:57 They're in homes. I was sitting on one the other day at someone's house. But, of course, there are those that have been passed on. They've been moved out to the curb they've been um replaced and they're still sofa shop sofas yeah and they are gone but not forgotten but also when you watch the original ad from the 90s and the camera's just panning over all those sofas i would say most of those sofas you know are no longer in action yeah so it's a bit like it's a bit like when you watch old footage from like the early 1900s
Starting point is 00:11:27 and everyone's bustling around the streets of New York and then you suddenly stop and think, oh, my goodness, all those people are dead. Like I'm looking at a film that's just full of people who are long, long dead. It's like that when you watch an old sofa shop ad, you know. Maybe that's why the sofa shop ad is a little bit more upbeat and fast because you know how you watch that old footage
Starting point is 00:11:47 and it's always at the wrong speed and people are walking along like really fast. Maybe that's why the sofa shop jingle is all upbeat because they're playing it a little bit too high. It's ye olde, whereas perhaps Han has found its true speed. Maybe this is. Well, that leads us... You don't sound very confident. As long as you're happy, Tim.
Starting point is 00:12:12 Ladies and gentlemen, Tim Hine, my co-host. Your well is your sort of, yeah, okay, shut up and move. That's me just mentally going through where to make the edit. It's well.
Starting point is 00:12:31 That's my little mark point. All right, shall we start the show? All right. So, no, but fair enough. Fair enough. Speaking of pacing, that leads us nicely to the next one. Yes. Let's hear from Sui.
Starting point is 00:12:49 I pronounce it Sui, but kind of maybe it's Sui. I don't know how to pronounce these things. Who am I? He or she says, hope you enjoy it because it was a blast to make. Can't wait until every mainstream artist picks this trend up. It's only a matter of time. I, for one, already want to lock in my tickets for the first sofa shop festival featuring only sofa shop remixes whoa wow
Starting point is 00:13:11 keep up the fantastic work here is soy's dance mix of the sofa shop We have a sofa designed for you Don't you do a thing, don't you We have a sofa designed for you So fucking much, you're just too The sofa shot ain't gone Don't you do a thing, don't you We have a sofa designed for you Well, that takes me back, I tell you. That takes me back 20 years. Does that take you to what?
Starting point is 00:14:02 To when you used to be at home while your friends were going clubbing. What? To when you used to be at home while your friends were going clubbing. To my years as an underground DJ in deep, dark Berlin. Those were incredible days. Well, gosh, that is good. But there was a time there at the end of the 90s, wasn't there? There was a lot of that sort of dance music coming through.
Starting point is 00:14:32 And that takes me back. Nice work. Yeah. It has something. Did it get the foot tapping, that sort of thing, you know? Oh, no. I'm not much too old to be tapping my foot. You didn't crack out the glow sticks?
Starting point is 00:14:48 And the happy pants? And the whistle? Remember in a club when someone would have a whistle? They'd just be blowing a whistle while they'd be like, what's that guy doing with a whistle? Just blowing as they dance. That takes me back to being in nightclubs, standing by the bar, looking at the girls on the dance floor, wondering why they wouldn't stop dancing and just walk up to me
Starting point is 00:15:06 and start talking to me. Why can't we just have a decent conversation? Will someone just turn the music down? Turn the music down. I want to talk about chess. Have you heard of Jeff Duchamp? We might be related, you know. Favourite part of the night was on the way home, just go to Macca's.
Starting point is 00:15:27 That was like finally out of that, all that noise. McDonald's on the way home. It was only years later we figured out we could have just gone to McDonald's and not had to do that. You could just go. It's so the headache and the sore ears. Oh, dear. All right, this one has sort of got an anthemic national anthem sound to it.
Starting point is 00:15:47 This is from James, and James says, I was bored and had nothing to do for a couple of hours, so I made this. If the rest of this week proves equally unproductive, I may do some other sofa-related gubbins. This probably wasn't what you meant by an anthemic version of the Sofa Shop tune, but here it is anyways. Do enjoy. P.S.
Starting point is 00:16:06 It turns out that slowed down, the Sofa Shop jingle sounds just like America the Beautiful, an American patriotic song. Who knew? Thank you. ¶¶ What did you think of the anthemic one? At times it sort of went a bit off piste and it didn't always sound like the sofa shop. Yeah, yeah, it certainly was innovative. Firstly, I love the fact that he had a couple of hours spare,
Starting point is 00:17:58 so he pulled an orchestra together. LAUGHTER it together. But I like to think of this one as being sort of a big American action movie epic. And this is like the end of it. You know what I mean? Like, oh, we've won the war. And, you know, it's got that soundtrack kind of feel to it. Yeah. I like to think of it being played before a baseball game.
Starting point is 00:18:25 Oh, right. Okay. Everyone's standing with their hats off it. Yeah. I like to think of it being played before a baseball game. Oh, right. Okay. Everyone's standing with their hats off. It is American and it has that feel to it, doesn't it? That epic sweep in a uniquely... I think it's the film soundtrack sort of feel. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:38 Yeah. And then we're going to go even more classical here with Chen Yang. And Chen Yang says, Here is my attempt at the Sofa Shop jingle in the style of an 18th century sonata. I thought it would be hilarious trying to melt the jingle into a totally anachronistic and serious
Starting point is 00:18:54 sounding style. I'm a composer and a violinist based in London, in fact very close to the Camden Garden Centre of previous episodes fame. And Unmade is my absolute favourite podcast. I've listened to every episode multiple times and the recent increase in uploading frequency
Starting point is 00:19:09 is very much appreciated by me. This has nothing to do with the song, but I'm going to read it because it's saying nice things about us. Yeah. Thanks for making the funniest and most wholesome podcast in the world. He also adds, PS, will the answers to the Unmade crossword ever be released? It's still sitting on my desk for weeks and I'm dying to know what the last few answers are.
Starting point is 00:19:28 Neglected state by Logan? Paying attention? My hair is starting to fall out. So if you've done the Unmade podcast crossword and know the answers to those, let Chen Yang know. But back to the jingle, here is his 18th century Sonata version. Thank you.... See, I think this is seriously impressive. I think this really is a masterwork. So I agree it's a masterpiece. Again, quite off-piste, almost like, you know,
Starting point is 00:20:57 a lot of freestyle in there. Hmm. But, you know. Which just shows that what the sofa shop is able to do is inspire new works out of these composers, artists. I mean, I can see people are flourishing. They're not just having to be constrained. It's the sort of song that makes people spin off in new areas
Starting point is 00:21:19 of composition and beauty. It's the power of the original song. Are there other bits of music like that? Can you think of another song or work that has been able to, you know, achieve that status? Well, I don't think there's ever been anything quite like the Sober Chopped. No.
Starting point is 00:21:39 There are songs that are so compelling in their melody that have been covered, Like Yesterday by the Beatles. It's just been covered hundreds of times. This is obviously a superior song to Yesterday. But it's a- More clever lyrics. Yesterday is a bit simple, you know. Yesterday just goes for the basic rhymes.
Starting point is 00:21:59 The sofa shop is like, you know. The sofa shop is working on other levels. It is. Yesterday has nothing about curtains in it. Yesterday is very vague, you know, whereas the sofa shop is about a particular shop. I like that. It's very specific.
Starting point is 00:22:17 Yes. But it's catching up now. It's had quite a lot of covers. It's had more covers than many other very famous songs. The sofa shop is ruining my life. I'm actually in the process of sofa shopping at the moment, double sofa shopping, actually. We're having to buy two sofas.
Starting point is 00:22:35 So, we spent yesterday going to a series of sofa selling shops. Yeah. And, like, I felt like I was in a sofa shop ad. And one of the shops we went to, which is quite a nice sofa shop in the UK, is called Loaf, L-O-A-F, Loaf. And I just walked in singing to myself, the loafer shop. Like, I couldn't help myself. It's just, like, everything is just turning into a song.
Starting point is 00:22:58 And I keep singing songs to Audrey, the dog, calling her the sofa dog. Whenever she's sitting on a sofa and stuff like that. I was like, the sofa dog. Like... It's terrible. We did similar. We were shopping for sofa a few months back and it was the same. The kids all day just singing the sofa shop. It's just
Starting point is 00:23:17 suits perfectly. Sofa shopping doesn't suit anything else, but it suits sofa shopping. That's for sure. That's the next generation. The next generation singing it just fills my heart with joy yeah yeah it's beautiful one more cover this is from tyler hello brady and or tim i'm a jazz saxophonist from maryland and i was inspired by the recent episode to cover the grand opus that is the sofa shop theme in my own style i reharmonized the famous tune, brought it to a slower tempo, and additionally arranged it for a saxophone quintet, the standard saxophone section size
Starting point is 00:24:01 in a jazz band, for the finale. I'm very new to video editing, but I tried my hand at making a video to accompany it. I hope you enjoy. So if you're listening to this episode on YouTube, I will sync up the playing now with the video that Tyler sent, but here's Tyler's saxophone version. Thank you. guitar solo That also is very impressive. I love that one. That's very much a Steely Dan kind of one. It's got a lovely tight feel in that jazz. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:27 No, that's really impressive. Nice. You could sell that. You could sell it? You could sell that. I'm not a jazz fan, but even that one, I was picturing, like, you know, Indiana Jones in suit mode, fancy dress mode, walking into some cafe where he's meeting with someone
Starting point is 00:25:47 to make a deal over a diamond or something. Yeah, right, yeah. He's very evocative, yeah. Humphrey Bogart with a cigar. I don't know, I don't know. I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm just saying random words in famous people's names now. Sean Connery on a beach.
Starting point is 00:26:10 Daryl Summers on the Statue of Liberty. Jabba the Hutt on the barge. Jabba the Hutt on the barge works. He actually does have a jazz band, actually. Just downing a few frogs before another execution. So we have one more, but I'm going to save that for a bit later. You will know when the time comes for that, but it's time to move on. Actually, it's almost time to end the episode.
Starting point is 00:26:41 We've been spending so long on this. We're evolving purely into a sofa shop cover podcast pretty soon we won't have to talk at all I don't think there's room in the market for another sofa shop cover podcast we still didn't get a country one that's the one I was interested in we didn't get one
Starting point is 00:27:04 we haven't. We haven't got one. Yeah. All right. Well, there you go. Unmadefm at gmail.com is the address. If you're a musician, send one. If you're not a musician like Tim, you know,
Starting point is 00:27:16 that doesn't stop him playing songs, so why should it stop you? I'm getting plenty of plays, that's for sure. You're doing really well, yeah. Because there's so much other stuff we're talking about today, I've gone for one of my, like, you know, half-baked silly ideas. We've talked in the past about the film numerous times in fact we've talked about the film Brewster's Millions where the premise is this guy gets 30 million dollars and he has to spend it in 30 days but there are certain constraints and rules on how he spends it my idea is called
Starting point is 00:27:58 you could call it Brewster's followers but I'm going to call it zero followers and the idea is in 30 days how close can you get your Twitter follower following down to zero oh within with certain rules and constraints on how you can do it brilliant idea brilliant idea so the idea is to burn off all your followers get people to unfollow you, but without people realising you're doing it, which is part of Brewster's challenge. People aren't allowed to know that he's wasting the money deliberately. Yes. People aren't allowed to know you're trying to lose your followers.
Starting point is 00:28:35 And it could be you doing it solo or it could be like a competition between you and someone else who starts, you know, with a similar following. Can you get it down? Can you get it down without risking doing something that makes it go up? Which is another thing that happens in Brewster. Remember in Brewster's Millions, he accidentally, he invests in silly things and sometimes he makes money and that's bad. That's right.
Starting point is 00:28:56 The same could happen with my zero followers challenge. You could do some stupid tweet that you think is going to lose your followers, but it goes viral and makes you a whole bunch of followers. That's right. This is a brilliant idea. Well, this is possibilities anyway. I want to do this. I love it. Yeah. I mean, there are obvious problems with that. Like, you know, I wouldn't want to lose all my Twitter followers in one fell sweep because my Twitter following is quite important to me and useful. So So it's more of an abstraction in my head. But anyway, what would the rules be? The rules would be you cannot be, there would have to be certain rules about offensive tweets.
Starting point is 00:29:33 Like you would have to ban, you know, I can think, you know, racist tweets or particularly explicit tweets, things, obvious things like that. I think we would ban. And you couldn't do something that makes Twitter shut you down or anything like that because that's cheating. It has to be within the character that your own ethical... You have to be yourself and hold to your own ethical standards. Maybe one of the rules would be you have to follow Twitter's terms of service,
Starting point is 00:30:01 which bans some of that stuff. Another would be you would have to cap the number of tweets. You couldn't do a tweet every minute because that's a very quick way to get people to unfollow you there would have to be a rule of one tweet per hour maybe or something like that uh but so i guess there would have to be a few rules but then you know the game's afoot what have you got left you can just i don't know i was thinking one thing that would possibly lose you is if every hour you just tweeted like a selfie of your face yeah like like really vain like if you were people oh god every hour here's here's another picture of me like at the beach or something like that that would maybe that would bird what makes you unfollow someone on Twitter? I get if it's a bit like a dripping tap.
Starting point is 00:30:48 In other words, they say the same, let's say, political view. And I don't mind people expressing a diversity of political views. But if they're saying this, it feels like this feels like junk mail. You're just saying the same thing in the same way every time. And I'm like well okay i know that you hold that view and you sound like the kind of person who will never change their view no matter what facts or ideologies occur you know and i just no see ya i tell you what works for me i don't it doesn't make me unfollow people because i don't follow that many people but it
Starting point is 00:31:21 will always make me mute people and that that is if they get into really, really involved conversations with other people, but I'm exposed to it in my timeline, either because they're atting me or because it's being served to me by the algorithm. So, if two people have this really long debate or conversation that doesn't involve me, but I've somehow been dragged into it, that drives me crazy. And they're having some technical talk about how to make something work or doing something, and I'm like, what is this doing in my timeline? Yes, that's right. So that would be fun, being able to take someone to task
Starting point is 00:31:54 over something quite inane but in high detail and seeing how... But you've got to annoy your followers with it, so you'd have to do it in such a way that they're included in it. You could also argue very badly. Like, and that risks people going, are you crazy? You, you know, and then actually you incite even more, not followers, but traffic and interest. Yeah, that's the problem with your political idea. Someone tweeting really, like, polarising political opinions could attract certain people that you, you know, that you could increase your following with, you know, far right or far left or whatever
Starting point is 00:32:34 the extreme you're going to is. You're always going to get a choir that, you know, claps along when you, when you do that, no matter how boring it is. And there are people you don't even know that will start following who have just, like, searched on terms, like, you know, searched on the terms you're using. Another way to get people to stop following you is really, like, gaudy, colourful, bright-coloured, flashing GIFs. Like, filling people's timeline up with that, things that are flashing pink and yellow.
Starting point is 00:33:03 Woo-hoo! Like, you know. People people just like i need to wear sunglasses yeah you can get rid of them and any other tips for having a low follower count tim sorry i just love the way i asked that you could yeah you could be tim and say really like insightful thoughtful just about the world. Post favourite album covers. That's right. Yeah, yeah. Favourite album covers. Great quotes from theologians and philosophers. Make witty observations about the world.
Starting point is 00:33:41 Promote the Unmade podcast. Do you know the day that will be the saddest day for your Twitter following? It will be a real landmark. It's the day that Joe, who is your famous 2,000th follower, unfollows you. This is my favourite. This is the person who took the time to draw a picture of me but couldn't be stuffed. That will be the day that you know you've failed.
Starting point is 00:34:07 It'll be like untaking your 500th test wicket. Even Joe, even you have abandoned me. That's a pretty good idea. That would be a lot of fun as a bit of an experiment. I think you should do it. Well, I'm not going to do it, obviously, but I was thinking about the practicalities of it. I was thinking if you could get Twitter to help you do it well i'm not going to do it obviously but i was thinking about the practicalities of it i was thinking if you could get twitter to help you do it you could start two accounts right i mean twitter wouldn't do this and for obvious reasons but if if we said
Starting point is 00:34:34 to twitter can you help us do this and they gave you and i each a new account like you know with a different name and and just randomly got 10,000 real Twitter people, like random Twitter people, the same 10,000 to follow both of us, like sneaked us into their follows. So suddenly we had 10,000 followers from scratch and then it was like, go, how quick can you lose those 10,000? The only problem with that, having like a shadow account or mirrored account like that, is if you have a different name,
Starting point is 00:35:04 the people are more like, it's not like, oh, Brady's now saying something crazy. It's like, oh, this Jeff Smith, you know what I mean? So not following someone they've never heard of before who they, I don't know why I'm following this person will be a lot easier than them. Suddenly they may be a little bit more loyal to you or they might be more quickly disgusted by. Yeah, but that's why I think it's kind of fair if it's it's the same 10 000 people and there is no latent loyalty so so you could burn off a lot of them pretty quickly which would make the game a bit more fun but there could be that last few hundred that you're really struggling to get rid of because they're like oh i like the cut of this
Starting point is 00:35:38 guy's jib like how are you gonna how are you gonna how are you gonna lose that one like what what what can you do to lose that one and that one? And you have to keep changing your tack. All right, I think I've lost everyone I'm going to lose with extreme political views. Now let's go to the flashy gifts. You know, you keep changing tactic. And the last person, the last person standing, surely,
Starting point is 00:36:00 before you get to zero, that last follower, you've just got, I've got one left. What can I do to this person? No matter what I do, they keep following me. Surely you have to say they're the most faithful, faithful follower. You've got to give them a gift. And there are some people who just follow and don't look at their inbox. But like what you could do is with those, what you'd start to do is like, once you got down to like double digits, you'd just start individually researching your followers. Oh and so really likes cats so i'm gonna do a few anti-cat tweets over the next few hours like you just start targeting targeting the people
Starting point is 00:36:35 individually how annoying are cats just woke up this morning and thought i hope i don't see a cat you write like a few anti-cat tweets and then an hour or two later it goes, you know, bloop, down, down one. Ah, yes, I lost that one. Who's next? Oh, yeah, the guy that likes car racing. I've got you covered. That's a good idea. That's a great, that's a fun idea.
Starting point is 00:36:58 I like that. Well done. And you, yeah, yeah, progress. Time for a quick sponsorship message. Oh, now I'm looking forward to this. This is good. Tim, it's Storyblocks again. Yes.
Starting point is 00:37:11 Now, we've got a special treat for this Storyblocks sponsorship message. But before we get to that, I just have to be absolutely clear on what Storyblocks is because sometimes we get so carried away with the emotion and the fun of our sponsorship reads we forget to do what we're supposed to do right just so you're clear people story blocks is a website it's a subscription service that you pay for monthly very fair rates and for that you get access to an immense library of video stock footage they also have stock sound and pictures, and you have unfettered access to the entire library to use in all your creations. Some of you may know when I'm not podcasting with Tim, I have a little side hustle as a YouTuber, and I regularly use Storyblocks video and sounds and things in my videos. It's super useful. I'm super grateful for it. You can check them out at storyblocks.com slash unmade. Go and have a look. You won't regret it.
Starting point is 00:38:15 But here is where we have a special treat for you. Harking back to our musical section from earlier, I have another email, Tim. This comes from Joe. Joe says, Like you, I am incredibly inspired by that wonderful Sofa Shop jingle. It's truly a masterpiece of composition. Therefore, when I thought about how I could adapt it, I struggled to think of anything
Starting point is 00:38:39 I'd want to change about the original. So what I decided to do was recreate the original, but for the episode sponsor Storyblocks, using most of Brady's improvised lyrics from the episode. I thought maybe you could use it in the next episode sponsorship message. And Joe, that is what we're doing. You may remember last episode, I kind of made up some Storyblocks lyrics to go to the sofa shop song.
Starting point is 00:39:04 Joe's taken it to the next level. Storyblocks lyrics to go to the sofa shop song, Joe's taken it to the next level. Storyblocks is your only stop for the footage you need. Storyblocks, yeah, come and log in. We have footage designed for you. Pick your sound to match your picture too. designed for you pick your sounds and match your picture too the story blocks ain't gonna cost what you think it will don't you do a thing until you've been a story blocks.com slash unmade that is impressive yeah so has a kind of cool sort of boy band sort of i don't know it has like a i can't describe the sound to it is it 80s or i don't know it's it's sort of boy band sort of, I don't know, it has like a, I can't describe the sound to it.
Starting point is 00:39:46 Is it 80s or? I don't know. It's sort of of its own time, perhaps, like the sofa shop itself. Oh, no, the sofa shop, we said, is clearly early 90s. Not a good way. Well, maybe it's a bit, you know, that Tom Hanks, that thing you do, whatever. What was that, that thing you do?
Starting point is 00:40:03 Is that what that Tom Hanks film was called with that band of the kind of band of young men? Like the late 50s, early 60s. Yeah, or like monkeys or something. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, very keen young men with high voices and sharp suits. Yeah, clean cut, sharp suits, clean cut. The kind of boy you'd take home to meet your mother. Yeah, yeah, suits. Yeah, clean cut. Get sharp suits, clean cut. The kind of boy you'd take home to meet your mother.
Starting point is 00:40:28 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, storyblocks.com slash unmade. I mean, what else do we have to say? The song does it all. The Storyblocks ain't gonna cost what you think it will. Don't you do a thing until you've been a Storyblocks ain't gonna cost what you think it will. Don't you do a thing until you've been to Storyblocks.com slash unmade.
Starting point is 00:40:52 Oh, it's time for Spoon of the Week. Spoon of the Week. We need a jingle. It's Tim's Spoon of the Week. Yeah. Tim's Spoon of the Week is the only spoon for the spoon of the week that you need. Tim, spoon of the week, yeah, come and drop in. We've got a spoon that's designed for you.
Starting point is 00:41:16 You know, when you. Choose your scoopy bit and your handle too. By the way, before I let you loose, Tim, with your Spoon of the Week, it has been pointed out to us, a very interesting webpage, multiple people pointed it out, so thank you for that, the anatomy of the spoon. Did you check this out? A few people tweeted to me about the nature of the spoon,
Starting point is 00:41:44 seeking to correct me, which, you know, wasn't entirely welcome. But let me just quickly give you some terms that might come in handy for this Spoon of the Week section, right? Yeah. The part that you called the scoopy bit of the spoon, that is known as the bowl. The thin bit in the middle is called the stem. And then when the stem fattens towards the end for holding,
Starting point is 00:42:09 that is called the handle. But we have some other parts. The very, very tip of the bowl that first touches the sugar is called the bowl tip. Right. The section where the stem joins the bowl is called the shoulders, where there's that little widening. And then between the shoulders joins the bowl is called the shoulders, where there's that little widening. And then between the shoulders and the bowl, where the shoulders drop down to the bowl, is called the drop.
Starting point is 00:42:32 And we also have the very tip of the handle, the very far end of the spoon, far from the bowl tip, is called the terminal of the tip. This is, spoons have more names and titles than a cricket field. You wouldn't think there were so many parts to a spoon. I also read in this article, they say, the earliest Northern European spoon would seem to have been a chip or splinter of wood.
Starting point is 00:43:01 I'm wondering if your dad has any of those in his collection. Well. One of his first spoons. Back when they just used to use seashells. Commemorative seashells they were. Commemorative seashells. What if these commemorative sort of tourist spoons were invented before eating spoons? Like people have collections of them around their house.
Starting point is 00:43:34 And one day they look up from their cereal and they go, hang on a second. This little tourist thing looks like it could come in handy at this particular point. I could use one of those commemorative spoons to eat my food with. Yes, right. Or dispense sugar. That's right. They branched out from being commemorative tourist souvenirs. I have to say, I don't like the idea. I mean, the bowl is quite clearly the thing you're scooping the scoopy bit
Starting point is 00:43:58 stuff out of. You can't have a bowl on the end of a spoon. The only bowl on the end of a spoon is the one that you're getting the stuff out of. It does cause confusion, but I can't help it. The spoon industry has its own little spoonerisms that it likes to use. And it has spoken in force this week. So just for people who don't know Tim's family spoon collection Which was collected by his father over many years
Starting point is 00:44:29 Has been passed down through the generations Like a lightsaber And Tim has them now And each week he pulls one out to tell us a bit about it What have you got this week, Tim? This week is a very delightful I like how you drop your voice like a couple of octaves when you do, well, this week. Well, I like to give it the respect that it deserves.
Starting point is 00:44:52 Yeah. And it's important that we speak about the spoons in hushed tones. Yes. Because- Well, you don't want the spoons that haven't made it into Spoon of the Week to hear, because they might get jealous. No, I'm looking at them. They're back over in the spoon arc from which they are stored.
Starting point is 00:45:07 Tupperware container. Looking jealously. That's right. Look, this week's spoon is from Churchill. Now, Churchill is a town in Victoria named after a very famous Prime Minister of Britain that you may have heard of. And it features a power station because the only thing of real interest in Churchill is the fact that it was the location for Hazelwood Power Station, which supplied power for
Starting point is 00:45:39 a whole part of country Victoria. Tim, before we come to the power station, which I have been researching and look forward to talking about. All right. Tell us about the actual look of the spoon. For people who aren't watching the video or haven't clicked on the link in the description, paint a picture using words of what this spoon looks like. Well, it looks like a spoon.
Starting point is 00:46:00 Like it's got a scoopy big at one end and a handle down the other. What the hell do you think? It's got a bowl, a stem one end and a handle down the other what the hell do you think it's got a bowl a stem and a handle what else and a shoulder and a short mid wicket drop what else is it and then it has quite a nice stem this one it's got this kind of intertwining serpentine uh yes design very very pretty. And then the handle itself, where the design is, is very pretty. It's sort of a blue enameling with the word Churchill across the top.
Starting point is 00:46:35 Churchill and then Vic. You see the little Vic, short for Victoria. Oh, yeah. Very nice, yeah. After another very famous historical British figure. What, Victoria Beckham? That's right. That's right. That's right.
Starting point is 00:46:50 It's got, yeah, it's like a tuft of the top of a crown, you know, the puffy, felty bit on a crown at the top, which makes it look very royal. But then underneath the word Churchill and the crown and above the serpentine, wiggly stem, we have just this big blocky power station. It's just got a bunch of chimneys. What are they? One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight chimneys.
Starting point is 00:47:18 And is that historically accurate? Does the actual power station have eight? I'm going to check that. Yes, it does. Yes, I can confirm eight. Right. I'm looking at it now. Okay.
Starting point is 00:47:29 So it's an accurate rendering then. Although, oh, look, I found the video of them being knocked down. Well, I was – so you're jumping ahead. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Spoilers. Sorry. Pretend I didn't even say that. Sorry.
Starting point is 00:47:40 Oh, well, no. Well, we'll talk about it now. They were knocked down recently brady i don't know if you know that or not really oh wow is there a video of it well i tell you this this power station is very close to my heart because we used to go and swim in its cooling pond when i was a kid and there's all these articles on the internet about how it's the most dangerous and polluting power station, like, in the world. Oh, yes, it is. In the southern hemisphere.
Starting point is 00:48:09 It's just a disgraceful power station. And, yeah, we would have, like, church events, like, building rafts and swimming and fishing. We'd fish in it. And, yeah, it was lovely. Did you eat the fish? I can't remember if we ate the fish or not we probably did but i can't remember um the thing is that the reason we loved it so much is because country victoria is very very cold and because it was a cooling pot like it was warm
Starting point is 00:48:38 so the water was always kind of warm compared to the radioact Well, that was all the radioactivity. It's just this is a total Simpsons Springfield situation with, you know, sort of three-eyed fish. Yeah. Yeah, but I have very many happy memories of being there and having picnics and Santa Claus coming, you know, one of the dads dressed up in a bad Santa Claus outfit, that kind of thing. What, at the power station?
Starting point is 00:49:06 No, no, because the pondage was, Hazelwood Pondage is just there, and it was like a, it was a place to go and hang, like it was a tourist destination, like with barbecues, and it was encouraged that you go and swim. You were encouraged to swim in it. It wasn't like you sneaked over a fence and jumped in the water to be naughty. It was like, come and swim in the water. Oh, everyone was encouraged to go. Yep.
Starting point is 00:49:27 Yep. It was a real highlight of, or the highlight of Churchill. Swimming in the water that came out of the power station. I love it. I am aware that, you know, it is a coal-powered station, so it's not radioactive, but still. No, no, that's right. Yeah, yeah, it's brown coal.
Starting point is 00:49:44 Yeah. Of which there's a ridiculous supply around the Latrobe Valley, around Gippsland. So there's a few power stations down that way. So, yeah, look, it's Churchill. But like I said, because it's kind of iconic because you see it on the horizon driving around different places, the towers. And it's become so familiar over time, right? the towers, and it's become so familiar over time, right? So when I heard that it's long been decommissioned, but when I heard they were going to knock the towers down
Starting point is 00:50:10 and they were broadcasting it live in May just a few months ago, I tuned in live online. I was at work and I'm like, I want to see this. So I watched it as the explosives went off and saw it live as it all collapsed. And I was like, oh, wow, there it goes. Was that fun? Yeah, it was. Well, it's enjoyable watching oh, wow, there it goes. Was that fun? Yeah, it was.
Starting point is 00:50:25 Well, it's enjoyable watching stuff fall over, like blow up. It's fantastic. It was funny how the chimneys, they collapsed towards each other. So they, instead of fanning out or just blowing them up or blasting them up into the air like rockets or something. Putting them into orbit. You kind of hope they would just shoot up, you know, like... SpaceX.
Starting point is 00:50:51 But they collapsed inwards to form sort of a mountain figure or something, like a big V, really. The ones went in and they all landed, and then all the soot and stuff came out from them. It looked pretty great. I'm glad I wasn't standing nearby with young children or anything like that. I'm surprised the people of the Trove Valley weren't encouraged to come and sit on Santa's lap underneath as they all collapsed.
Starting point is 00:51:16 It was a big tourist event. Oh, dear. Yeah. The great thing about them, we used to go to a campsite for school called Wurrubinda, which wasn't far away. And it was like a school camp kind of thing with dormitories and a flying fox, that kind of thing. And we'd go there for years and years. And it was wonderful. And there was a little pond near there as well where you'd do a bit of canoeing and whatnot.
Starting point is 00:51:41 And I remember finding some advertising for it, looking it up online, just feeling a bit nostalgic one day. And sure enough, there it is, an advertisement for Woorabinda campsite with the canoes. And then prominent in the background is the power station. Like, it's a feature of the photograph. It's like, come and camp near this. Like, it's great views of the power station. Sign of human ingenuity.
Starting point is 00:52:05 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's right. I mean, this is what power stations were in many days. You come through the industrial age and people just gave them names and loved them. And then suddenly we realised, oh, gosh, this is not having a particularly helpful impact on the environment or us. So presumably, Tim, your Churchill spoon with the Hazelwood power station on it, now that the power station's gone, is a valuable relic because it's one of the few remaining images of what the power station once looked like. When you say few remaining images, that's right,
Starting point is 00:52:38 apart from millions of photographs. But probably, well, I do say that there are some nostalgic features of these old work sites and several others around, like old factories and things around country Victoria. I wonder how many spoons there are. It would be a bit of a collector's item, particularly for workers that used to work there. People give 40, 50 years of their life there, and then they have a sense of nostalgia and connection about it.
Starting point is 00:53:05 Why would your dad have bought this spoon if he lived very close to Churchill and this power station anyway? Yeah, that's a really good question. I don't know. Like, why? It could be that he bought it so long ago when he was new to the Latrobe Valley, and so he lived in Mowi and maybe he just, you know, bought up spoons from different areas. Dad was always very proud of the power stations. The Loyang Power Station that we've talked about before down in Tarelgon,
Starting point is 00:53:34 Dad would take visitors and drive around. So maybe he was reasonably proud of this one. He was a power station kind of guy, you know. It's cool. I don't blame him. I love him. There are lots of power stations around the uk i drive past and i love them i think they're amazing i love the look of the battersea power
Starting point is 00:53:49 station that's that's just such a handsome building isn't it yeah that's very cool that's very cool can i just mention some of the other uh features like as a spoon yeah it looks lovely but it is a bit thin to hold and um it's obviously they're teaspoons so you wouldn't go using it for too much but it's it's it's not terribly ergonomic what's that what's the balance like on it has it got nice balance yeah it's a bit bowl heavy it's not bad it's it's not bad i have to i have to if i want to hold it if i want to balance it in my hand, its centre of gravity is very close down towards the scooping part. The bowl, man. The bowl.
Starting point is 00:54:31 No, I can't abide that. I have to say, I turn it over and there's no, often you'll find on the back of spoons like the craftsman's name or a year or something. The hallmark it's called. Is it? Right, okay. But there's nothing this one's just smooth anonymous either it's been worn away through regular use which i doubt it it's just been hanging on a collector's hook or it's just you know of no significance whatsoever or
Starting point is 00:54:58 the person disowned it as soon as they made it or it was made by one of the greats like the davinci of spoons and he hasn't signed it. And some expert will come along one day and say, oh, my goodness, that's an early Da Vinci Churchill spoon. Well, perhaps. It's a bit like you don't need to sign it. It's like, you know, like, yes. It could be like a Fabergé egg of spoons.
Starting point is 00:55:23 I think it's more the Fabergé jeans of spoons, man, than the Fabergé. The other thing we do with Spoon of the Week, of course, is we spin the wheel of randomness, which I will start now to decide who will be the recipient of not the Churchill spoon, that's a Hein family heirloom, but an unmade podcast spoon, which are in the design and manufacturing process at the moment. And when I finally have them,
Starting point is 00:55:46 we're going to be sending a few out to randomly selected patrons. This week, the lucky patron is... It is Adrian. Adrian, who hails from Romania. Ooh, wow. Adrian the Romanian. That's the first time we've heard of a Romanian listening or engaging. Fantastic.
Starting point is 00:56:08 Welcome, Adrian, and congratulations. I don't know how many Romanians listen. I hope no others called Adrian. Otherwise, again, I've caused confusion. But, Adrian, you will. When the spoons finally are delivered, you will be sent one. And if you are a Patreon supporter, you will be in the drawer next time Tim talks Spoon of the Weeks. Spoons of the Weeks? Weeks of the
Starting point is 00:56:32 Spoon? I don't know. Next time we do this. Have you considered putting a power station on the unmade spoon? Was that one of the designs? I haven't seen the designs yet. Well, neither have I, to be honest. It's currently with the designer, but you will see a design when I get it. But the power station has not been considered. I think it might be a bit late in the game to chuck a power station on there. I'll throw it in the hopper. Well, maybe next time.
Starting point is 00:56:58 I haven't said this will be the only spoon we ever release. This is just our first souvenir spoon. First of many. First of many, I hope. First of many. Who knows? Yes. Yeah. All right. Congratulations, Adrian. Congratulations, Adrian. You and Joanne Guido from the Netherlands who won last week. Did I mention my dad's from the Netherlands? So, we're kind of a bit out of time. We're going to abort Tim's idea this week. You know why. You're going to abort Tim's idea this week. No.
Starting point is 00:57:26 You know why. You're playing all innocent. It's because Tim's idea we'd already done. We'd already done Tim's idea, people. He spent an hour before the show researching it, told me about it. That's in the bin. That's you scurrying for your hour's research
Starting point is 00:57:44 for an idea we'd already done. Oh, dear. Never mind, because your bacon has been saved by Anna. Anna is a Patreon supporter, and we like to read out ideas from Patreon supporters here on the show from time to time. Go to patreon.com slash unmadefm if you would like to support us and perhaps submit your own idea,
Starting point is 00:58:06 as well as being in the running for a spoon and as well as getting a free golden sofa shop pin when you reach $50. My goodness, it's worth being a patron, isn't it? It is. My turn to say, just a second now, I've just got a cleaner here. I just want to check she's...
Starting point is 00:58:19 Is that for the spoons? Hello? Hello. It's okay. I'm just working here, okay? I hope you did air quotes when you said you were working see all these books on the bookshelf and they're going very important what's he doing he must be like writing a book no he's talking about spoons to his friend in England. So, here we go.
Starting point is 00:58:49 This is Anna. Hi, Tim and Brady. My name's Anna, and I'm an illustrator from San Francisco, currently living in Scotland. I often listen to the Unmade podcast while I paint portraits for fantasy sci-fi book and comic covers. Wow. I get the Sofa Shop song stuck in my head constantly. Now, I'm just going to break off for a minute here. I don't want to put any ideas in your head, Anna, but if you were to make a sci-fi fantasy book cover of Tim and I
Starting point is 00:59:14 about the Unmade podcast, I'm just saying. I'm just saying. That'd be pretty awesome. That might inspire us to actually write the sci-fi book to go with it i feel like i need the cover to inspire the idea yeah to write we'll get the book commission just off the strength of anna's cover um dean yes my idea for a podcast was inspired by a friend taking the uk citizenship test many of the random questions about history, politics, landmarks, etc. might puzzle even natives. Here's a sample question. What was shampooing when it
Starting point is 00:59:52 was first introduced in Britain? The correct multiple choice response being the Indian art of head massage. I was thinking the podcast could be called the citizenship test and take on a different country every episode. The two or more hosts could alternate between researching questions and being tested, starting with their own countries. The researcher would describe amusing tidbits and stories relating to the few chosen questions. For countries without a typical test or sample questions available,
Starting point is 01:00:21 the tester could create multiple choice questions based on their research. Ideally, a fun guest from each featured country would try their hand at answering correctly. The guest would even come up with their own more culturally relevant questions. A UK example would be, what is the incorrect use of the word pudding? A, a quick bread made of batter. B, a term used for the dessert course. C, the gravy for a roast dinner. Or D, a blood sausage. The word pudding here confuses me to no end. Anyways, the podcast would mostly be an excuse to chat with friends
Starting point is 01:00:54 while exploring little aspects of culture and history. And of course, to see how many potential citizenships, if any, the hosts could rack up. Thanks, Tim and Brady, for brightening my days. Anna. Oh, nice. Cracker of an idea. Cracker of an idea.
Starting point is 01:01:10 That's a gimme. Yes, very impressive. How much fun? Because people love talking about other countries and cultures, and they love quizzes. Mm, mm. This combines the two. Genius.
Starting point is 01:01:22 Let's re-record this and make it my idea. All right. Great idea, Tim. Great two. Genius. Let's re-record this and make it my idea. All right. Great idea, Tim. Great idea. Thanks. Oh, look, it just came to me. I was painting a sci-fi picture in Scotland and I suddenly thought, wow. So I have an American friend who recently applied for UK citizenship,
Starting point is 01:01:47 and she made a quiz based on all the questions that can be asked in the test on her phone and made, like, her own app. And for weeks before the test, she would just pull out her phone and use her own app she'd made to do questions about England, and she would sometimes get it out and show, me and my wife and we would try and answer the questions. It's really fun trying to answer citizenship questions for your own country. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:12 Because part of the time you feel really superior and knowledgeable and other times you get thrown a curveball and you're like, my goodness, do they really expect Americans to know that? I don't even know that. See, what is the purpose of the quiz? I mean, you think, is it to... The idea that she's, you know, sort of researching and studying for it indicates... Is it because they want to
Starting point is 01:02:33 test your devotion to the country that you want to become a citizen of? Or are they trying to catch you out? I think it must be a... I don't think they're trying to catch you out and make sure that... Maybe they are. Maybe they're trying to make sure that you haven't, you know, been secretly living somewhere else. But I thought it was more to show like an engagement with the culture that you're becoming a part of. But it's not a proof, is it?
Starting point is 01:02:55 It's not like, well, if you know these 20 things, then you quite obviously are eligible to be a citizen. Because they're not 20 definitive questions that you have to know to be an Australian eligible to be a citizen because they're not 20 definitive questions that you have to know to be an Australian or to be English. Well, if they were the same 20 questions, like people would just memorise the answers, there has to be like some variety and unpredictability to it, doesn't there? But that also opens the...
Starting point is 01:03:18 The fact that there's variety and unpredictability means that it makes it less clear what you're testing. You're probably just getting people to think deeply and to have a general acquaintance with the place. I don't know if there's a definitive list and they tell you you will get asked 20 questions from these 500 or whether or not they change them all the time and you can be thrown one that you could never have seen before.
Starting point is 01:03:40 I don't know. What questions would you put in a citizenship test for Australia? There are a few things about, you know, name. You could ask general questions like name two dominant sports or the two most dominant sports or something like that that show that you, you know, have an awareness of the country. What sport did Don Bradman play? Yeah, but then, okay, so this is Don Bradman, right, who died 20 years ago and played 50 years ago. I mean, what relevance to being an Australian does that? Every Australian knows who Don Bradman is. Well, I think we're more multicultural than that.
Starting point is 01:04:16 But no, my point is that you don't need to be Australian to know that. Just because it's a part of the living memory of many people, it's not like you become eligible to be australian by knowing that i would rather them have a sense of the rule of law and a sense of culture and effect yeah do you know what i mean like it's such a funny thing to test fair enough is it there like something more appropriate would be around understanding the separation of powers and you know the political system and how democracy works and how the different, why we don't have a president, you know, something like that. Why don't we have a president? Why? That's the sort of thing I think gives you a better feel
Starting point is 01:04:55 for the place. Who is the head of state? It's interesting drawing that line because I totally agreed with you when you say, why should someone who's moving to Australia from China have to know who Don Bradman is? They don't care about cricket. But then you say they should know how the parliament works. And I can sort of see why there's more reason for them to understand how the democracy works, because it does affect their life, how they're governed. But equally, you know, you're allowed to live in a country and not understand how the parliament works. That's your right too. Why should they have to know anything other than drive on the left and don't stab people?
Starting point is 01:05:31 What the law is, yeah, yeah. Well, this is the thing. Half of Australia doesn't know its own national anthem. They're very vastly ignorant. What we saw 20 years ago when we had the referendum on Australia becoming a republic, and what you realise is that a lot of people don't quite understand the way our parliamentary system works at the moment. I think you should just have to listen to any 10 episodes of the Unmade podcast, and then you're in. Because how can you learn more about Australian culture than listening to the Unmade podcast? You would learn a lot about Adelaide and Peralgan I think there should be an Adelaide citizenship test
Starting point is 01:06:09 Where you just have to answer questions about Adelaide Do you know the highest mountain in South Australia? No Mount Lofty, is it? No Something in the Flinders Ranges? No No, neither of those
Starting point is 01:06:19 Yeah, exactly What is it? It's Mount Woodruff Where's that? It's right up in the top north- northwestern corner of the state, I believe. I've never been there. I've always wanted to go there. It's not an easy place to go to because it's on Aboriginal lands,
Starting point is 01:06:33 so you need special permission. And it's not, like, impressive. It's not like the Matterhorn or anything. But I've always wanted to go there because I'm fascinated by highest points, but I never have. It's very unimpressive, but just because it's the tallest mountain in my state. So, Anna, thank you for an excellent idea. Thank you for being a Patreon supporter.
Starting point is 01:06:51 Thank you for saving Tim's bacon after his idea had to be screwed up and thrown in the bin at the last minute. This is what happens when I prepare. It never works out when I prepare. I would argue that you haven't totally prepared if you haven't checked that the idea's been done. It's not... Okay.
Starting point is 01:07:09 I mean, I have no bone to pick with you. I find it mildly amusing. But the idea you picked was also the title of the episode that the idea was in. I'm supposed to remember that. Just because I'm back in the same room where we recorded it. I have to remember that. Just because I'm back in the same room where we recorded it.
Starting point is 01:07:32 So next week, hopefully we will be back with an original idea from Tim. Maybe. Who knows? But we definitely will be back with a spoon, with maybe more Sofa Shop covers from fans. I actually have an idea that I've got ready for next week. I'm not going to mention it. I'm just going to say that there's a hint and so forth.
Starting point is 01:07:52 It involves glitter and a unicorn. There we go. I'm going to leave that with you. Did you remember the girl's words this week, by the way? I did. I did, actually. Well done. Just embed it in there somewhere

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