The Unmade Podcast - 7: Let's Invent a Language

Episode Date: December 20, 2017

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If you think this is a crap idea, I'm happy to stop and go with something else. So, but anyway. That's just become the bit of sound that goes at the start of the show. Who's going first? You go first. You go first. Me go first? Yeah.

All right. My idea for a podcast is called the Automated Phone System Review Show. No. Where you go to like various automated phone systems for like banks and shops and all the different people in the world that have these systems now where it's recorded messages and press one and all that sort of stuff. And they have hold music and all that sort of stuff. And you each week review a different one and talk about how good a job you think they're doing. Like this one's boring. This one's got good sound quality. This one has poor music choices and you give them

all like a mark out of 10 and you discuss them in depth. And you could also branch out and make it for things like people's voicemail messages and stuff like that as like a little bonus section. Like today we're going to, we're going to ring someone up and say what we think about their voicemail message and that, but mainly it's about these automated because we all spend so much time listening to these things and also it's such an audio thing it's such an audio format that i think it lends itself really well to a podcast so that's my idea okay i like this so this this is this is it could be become a little bit obsessive it also could become oh i'm jumping ahead but a way in which the industry starts to improve this area of its business oh i think i think i think i think we will be a

catalyst for change absolutely so this is the idea you play you call up a company and you basically play you listen and you engage your way and navigate your way through a few choices and then you review what were those choices like and their choice of music in particular well yeah if they use music so just be like it an example would be all right everyone we've had a lot of people in touch this week saying that they like or don't like the commonwealth bank automated phone system they think it's confusing or they think the person whose voice it is is annoying or whatever so we're going to give them a call today 1-800-784-382 let's see what we think of it yeah ring ring ring ring ring ring hello welcome to the Commonwealth Bank we value your coal and custom if you'd like to inquire about your balance press one if you'd like to ask about a home loan press two and all that sort of stuff and we'd go

through all the menus and see where they lead and see how confusing it is see how hard it is to get to a human but also you know say oh yeah i think yeah i think she has a really nice voice the woman doing it or oh he's really annoying he sounds really condescending and then once we finally get to that okay please wait while we put you through to her and you know they play the whole music we can say oh interesting choice of music okay so what you're saying is you actually you're commentating on the experience as you're going the whole you have to be we could or we could have recorded segments like we did it earlier in the week and we want to because i think it could be a bit laborious listening to it you know you'd want to have you can't listen to the whole thing yeah you'd want some you'd want some tight editing and some highlights i don't know exactly what the

format would be but that would be the topic. And it could then turn into people, a show about experiences with those systems and people call you or you tell your own stories or people will email and contact you on Reddit and say, oh, I spent four and a half hours trying to get through to the John Martens customer service line. And this is what happened to me. So it would then become anecdotes and that. But everyone seems to have an opinion on these things. anecdotes and that but everyone seems to have an opinion on these things and i think they do incite they probably incite more negative feelings than positive feelings but they do certainly incite emotion and i think that's something we could tap into as well and it's just such an audio thing it's such a soundy thing so i think it's just begging for a podcast well firstly it excites 100 negative emotion okay yeah no i've never heard anyone compliment or be excited or call

just just for the automated voice but it is an interesting idea because it's one of those areas that's perfunctionary and could become entertaining and interesting you know once upon a time websites websites were very plain and then they become more colorful and more interesting so it is something that you know what i mean it could you you know what I mean, companies could start buying the rights to really interesting songs and tunes of songs. They could have their own stations and be playing different mixes of songs. You know what I mean? Like want to use it or if you, I don't know,

somehow make the experience more stimulating. You're really saying this podcast is a catalyst for change, aren't you? You're saying that suddenly companies are gonna start whole radio stations just so they don't get a negative review from us i just think that it's something about an edge i'm printing t-shirts i'm starting an advocacy group i tell you what i worked at a company right where where i was on i was a phone operator and when when did you do this i worked at optus the telecommunications company, for a very brief period. Where were you living?

Were you in Adelaide? No, I was in Melbourne. I was finishing off some study and then I did that full time for a few months before I got a job. Well, it was a job before I got another job in my vacation. What was it like? It was really quite interesting for a while. It was quite fascinating because you've got to learn all the computer systems and the people are good fun too. And I still have a good friend who I met at that stage. We keep in contact. So that was all interesting. The job does become tiresome because

you get the same stuff over again, but you're there to try and solve problems. And I love fixing problems. So people call up with a problem and you solve it for them. And there's a satisfaction in that that's happening every five minutes or so but it's really funny how often particularly elderly people when they call up make commentary on the automated system that's got them through to you yeah and often i would hear the comment as i was just telling the robot my phone's not working so they would refer to it as the robot which is always very endearing how do you feel about those things when you call up and you get the menus and the robot? Like, does it make you mad? Are you pretty, like, just the way of the world and you get on with it?

I really resent it and I'll get to the human as fast as possible. Oh, yeah. No, you need to do that. If this was a problem that could be sorted out by these menus, I would have sorted it out myself on the computer. that could be sorted out by these menus, I would have sorted it out myself on the computer. If it's got to a point where I'm phoning a business, I have a problem that needs dealing with that can't be sorted out by the normal methods.

Yeah. Except then it's really embarrassing because sometimes you do get through to the person and they say, did you try this? And it's like, oh. I feel like the automated system is merely a delaying tactic because there's a heavy call rate. So I'm only talking to this person like

i need a person yeah and they're making you walk through a maze before you get to the get to the that's right it's the audio equivalent of you know when you go to the bank and there's like only one teller but you have to snake your way through those little fences all the way through around to get there it's like oh that gives us me another three minutes to get to the counter i was gonna say it's the audio equivalent of when you say to a kid, you go and run to the end of the street and back and I'll time you. Just so you can have a little break from them. That's right.

That's right. I value efficiency when I'm at work. And in this area, this is frustrating. So I'm always putting it on, you know, calling up, putting them on speakerphone and then putting the volume down a little bit and getting on with other work and then suddenly realizing i'm hearing someone go hello hello hello they're going oh sorry sorry so here i am here i am and uh and then explaining the problem it's worse if you lose it you're gone and you're no no and i have to start all over again there's nothing worse than getting ditched off one of those systems after 20 minutes if

everyone's got a story of like the time i spent four hours on a phone thing and then got kicked off. The other thing that would be quite nice is because if you incorporated the human element of it, like when you finally do get to a human and you incorporate that in your podcast, it creates a lovely situation where when they finally answer the phone, before the conversation starts, you'll have to say to them, just so you know, this call will be recorded for podcast purposes yes that's fantastic yeah yeah we're recording you for quality control this time that's right would you include the person the human so the human at the other end like i have to say there are no rules man i just came up with this idea a few minutes ago with press one if you would include the human if you wouldn't include well

i have to say even though the automated systems are there and they're prevalent and they're frustrating the level of enthusiasm of humans on the other end has risen considerably recently like i feel this person is it's like a date g'day can i call you i always feel like they're having a party as well you hear all the people in the background like oh sorry i was just having some beers what's up what can i help you with like i think they're having too much fun in those places i tell you we did we're at my workplace we did do a little bit of you know you stand up and walk around because you got the headset on and you you know throw a ball to someone over on the other side and all that because you're you know you're just trying to limber up and there is a little bit of that the company tries to make it

exciting like with gold targets and celebrations and streamers and balloons and stuff but no one's buying any of that well they have streamers and balloons yeah yeah it's like exciting october month where we're you know it's just a typical workplace thing trying to get us enthusiastic when um you know about the workplace. Should I have done that here today, Tim? Should I have balloons up so you'd be podcasting better? That's right. It's like, woo!

Here we go. This is exciting. God, Tim sounds bored today. Brady must have forgot the balloons. I tell you what I have done once. I've had a long, ongoing conversation with someone. I can't remember what company it was, but we did actually start talking about things. And I,

we had a conversation that went on for quite a while and the person was from England. They were a backpacker and we chatted for a long time after the matter for which I'd called had happened. And I'm sure either they're having a boring night or they're just, they've gone rogue. They're not allowed to do that. But most of the time,

the over-mateyness is a little bit frustrating too like yeah you know so you're having a busy day and i'm like yes and i i want to be relational you want to be friendly that's an australian thing though they're so friendly in australian customer service i remember once getting off the plane coming from england arriving here in adelaide and going into like a garage or something to buy petrol or food and like how friendly the person was like scared me like they were like hey how are you going and i wasn't ready for the australian friendliness and i was like go away man you're not supposed to talk to me just take my money and give me my food and then i went to a supermarket and it was wednesday and i was buying

the stuff at the checkout and the girl at the checkout says so what are you doing on the weekend like it's wednesday like just give me my food i don't want to talk about my weekend i want my food did you feel like you were being invited to make a commitment that was too you know too extravagant like i'm just not i'm just in england where customers are they're so miserable i just wasn't ready for like you know that level of that level of friendliness. And then the person got down on their knee and produced a ring. Would you like to spend forever with me? I'm just buying some gum. It is a bit like that. I'm buying chewing gum and I feel like I have to say to the girl behind the counter,

look, sorry, I'm already married. She wants to be so friendly, yeah. Would you like to join our family for Christmas? Okay, so this is an idea yeah okay so it could be fun to make and the commentating could it could involve some pretty interesting common colloquialisms and fun names for things so you know what i mean like how many steps are involved was it a three-stepper or a five-step five yeah you'd have all your terminologies yeah this was a five-stepper to get to the human you could also start an international version like

you could start comparing what are the australian automated phone services like compared to america and england and you could get ones in other languages and things like that you'd become like to become this place i mean i hope it would become a funny podcast and it i don't want it to be too serious and try to like change the industry the idea would be just to be taking the mickey a bit but maybe maybe it would end up serious and you become real real connoisseurs and drivers of change in the industry i don't know i think the humor would be the powerful part about it you could have special guests as well like today we've got we've got jeff smith from melbourne this is a big one people he is actually the voice of you know telstra and he could come on the show and you could oh what was it like voicing the system and stuff

like that and you could get get people who design these systems, like the architects of them, who could tell you all the inside, baseball. Oh, when we're designing a system, this is what we do. And we try to make, this is how we're working on the psychology and things like that. You could get, you could be semi-serious about it, but at the same time, I mean, the human might be how serious you are about it. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You become aficionados yeah of the which means the only downside is you would have to listen to a lot of automated messages to make it one a week one a week but i'm probably doing one a week we're

probably living one a week anyway unless you then i see one of you becomes really obsessed with it so one of you could be like i could be like just do one a week and in the meantime tim's done like 40 midweek because he wants to really understand understand what it's what's going on but you know when you've got a podcast you're kind of thinking of ideas all the time so this would be one of those situations where you're calling up on a genuine problem and something quirky happened and you'll be like oh this is this is i should have been recording this hang on a sec and you hang up go back to the start just to go through and record it again every time you've got to phone the bank to check something, it's like, oh, I hate mixing my work and my non-work.

That's right. All right. So, all right, you're going to go with that one? We're giving that one a thumbs up for an idea? I think it's worth a pilot. It may not work, but I think it's worth a pilot idea to have a go. You know, someone should give it a try. The jury's out, but I think it's an interesting idea.

I definitely think no one's ever thought of it before. So it gets full marks for originality. You say that, we'll get a message on Reddit saying, oh, there's already eight podcasts that do that. Yeah, they all are. What would you call it? I like the idea of that really boring name, the Automated Phone System Review Podcast.

That's right. Yeah, yeah, it's the... Oh, have you caught the latest edition of the automated phone system review podcast the what i like that idea of yeah yeah there's so many quirky names and for companies now as well and i like the yeah the boring name yeah it just does what it says on the tin yeah none of this none of this fancy pants yeah trendy buzzwords that's cool all right today we have a sponsor again and again it is anchor.fm a podcast in your pocket that is what anchor is to me it's the it's an app that you put on like your phone ios or android and then you can got you've got like a podcast making studio

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So I'd be, oh, Brady, what's your story about? What are you covering? So I didn't really have a presenter radio voice. Do you? Are you like, have you got a DJ name? I don't have a DJ name. This is Tim Tam Slam here at Tim FM. Coming at you.

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i think this is a good idea but it's a little bit of a oh yeah no that's a good idea sort of one it's in the similar vein to your ology one yeah and that is it's a podcast called fear of phobias right and it's a podcast that goes through and explores different phobias and explains what they are. And you already know that there are a whole variety, hundreds of them. Some of them are quite quirky and interesting and intriguing and surprising. And it would be a podcast at the very least that explained each one of them, went through them one at a time and explained them

and gives a little bit of background around how that came to be is this just a hypothetical one or are there people who genuinely experience this phobia potentially could interview someone who genuinely has that phobia and a conversation could ensue about why how they came why they think they came to have that phobia was there some sort of childhood experience or was there a tragedy or, or, or they, they don't know. They've just always been well scared of heights, you know, is that, but. I'm with you. Yeah. Solid idea, man.

Solid. It is solid. It must, it must already exist. I did a quick search and I couldn't find it. Do you, do you suffer from a fear of suggesting podcast ideas that already exist? I do have that fear. But I normally, I normally don't check

Because I don't want to lose a good idea But I thought this one was And then I thought Well your ology idea Is also one that I thought might exist And later did Someone launched it But after we discussed it

Okay So this is I think you could spend a week on Acophobia, which is a fear of noise. And you could have a... We don't have a lot of listeners that suffer from that, I presume. Oh, presumably not. Allurophobia, which is a fear of cats. I think everyone, this is one of the ones that's interesting, which is an algophobia, which is a fear of pain.

Who doesn't have a fear of pain? But I guess an irrational fear of pain. That's one of the... I thought that's what pain is. It's like, it's the thing to make you afraid of things that... It's a phobia phobia. I mean, I guess, I know there are some people who like pain, but that's the weird...

Okay. Anyway, there might be a... The definition of an action film hero is someone who doesn't suffer from this. You know what I mean? Like Bruce Willis is willing to jump through a glass pane. You what i mean it's the definition of that didn't hurt i was willing to do that okay but the rest of us to be quite honest don't go looking for pain no there's amaxophobia which is the fear of riding in a car oh i i my uh parents-in-law had a dog that had

that it cost it cost me a holiday yeah my my wife and i got in car. We were like dog sitting for my parents in the law. My wife and I also had a holiday. We were going up to the Lake District in England. And we got in the car with this dog. And we knew it didn't like cars, but we thought we can handle it. And I'm not joking. By the end of our street, we said, looks like I'm not going on the holiday. And I had to stay home with a dog.

And my wife went on the holiday on her own with some friends. Because the dog just could not handle the car. Wow. Maybe it wasn't the car. Maybe it was the idea of where you were going on a holiday. Yeah, it just didn't like the Lake District. It's like, oh, that's rubbish. Hang on a second.

We're traveling west. Hang on. I'm not up for this. I don't mind the peaks, but I'm not going to the lakes. I mean, there's a whole range of these. Is there a fear of phobias? Like, I really hope I don't have the peaks, but I'm not going to the lakes. I mean, there's a whole range of these. Is there a fear of phobias? Like, I really hope I don't have a phobia. I'm paranoid I'm going to have one.

I don't know. Like a phobia phobia? I don't know. I don't know, actually. I can't find it on the list that I've got. Do you suffer from any phobias? That's a good question. My initial answer is, no, I don't have any phobias.

But to be honest, I was looking at a phobia as essentially, it's an intense, you know, it doesn't necessarily... Fear is perhaps not quite the right word. It's an intense aversion to something. So, he doesn't have to be scared as in, oh, I'm going to run away from dogs. It could be, I don't like dogs. I just can't stand dogs, you know. So, fear is...

But mine is of the closest I come is ornithophobia, which is the... Yes. Yes. is ornithophobia which is the birds yes yes and i i'm not scared of birds but i don't like birds and i'm paranoid about magpies swooping i have a friend that's got that and he was swooped when he was a little kid and his grandpa like started attacking the birds with a swiss army knife or something oh really were you swooped as a kid or i was swooped but it wasn't so much the the swooping, because I often was swooped riding home from school, but you have a helmet on, so it'd be like, oh, it didn't hurt or anything. But there was this one holiday when we were arriving somewhere, mum and dad, you know, the caravan, and there was a bird sitting on a little

log. And I went and sat next to it, thought, oh, this is cute. It's really tame, and gave it a little bit of food. And then it pecked my leg, like it attacked me was a magpie oh that was so painful because i was wearing shorts and i always remember that moment you know and i think the fact that i remember that moment is something and i just don't like birds and we've got a couple of chooks in the backyard and we've got really cute little fluffy chooks that's chickens for people who aren't australian oh okay hens and um but we used to have some larger hens like like big laying sort of ones, and I just don't like them. They come up to the window and tap on the window

when I'm trying to eat eggs for breakfast. While I eat their unborn children. I'm like, go away, go away. I don't, what are you doing? They're just too big and dominant and, yeah, so I don't like them. Their claws are awful. Talking about sitting on a log with a little bird and being pecked on the leg and then talking about how you find hens dominant.

I don't think you've ever sounded less manly. I do like chicken. I love KFC. Yeah. But I, yeah, anyway, so that's the closest I come. I just don't, I don't like birds or enjoy birds. What about you? Do you know, whenever I'm asked that question,

because people always in england everyone's scared of like spiders and snakes and because we're from australia like spider i'm quite you know like i don't like spiders and snakes and if there's one on my leg i would not be pleased about that but like i wouldn't i don't have like a phobia of them one thing i don't like and didn't like for a long time and i always name this as my phobia but i think i'm kind of over it so i'm just sort of naming it for the sake of having a phobia and that is mice particularly dead mice wow but mice in general but i especially don't like a dead mouse i think i must have been scarred by seeing a dead mouse in a mousetrap when i was young when my you know dad was setting mousetraps or something

in the house and i he showed me one or something and i was too young for it and it scarred me a bit as i've always had bit of a thing about dead mice i was gonna say if i think if there was a dead mouse in the house i may even ask my wife to pick it up and get rid of it but but i'd probably do it is so it's not a fear obviously it's dead so it's you can be afraid of you know people people there are people who are afraid of water and water's dead but they're still afraid of water so i was always very scared of seeing a dead human body like i was that was always something that was a fear for me yeah so is it that that's perhaps because it was mysterious unknown you know yeah fear of being ridiculed or doesn't cataglyphobia fear of being ridiculed no yeah i guess no one really can't have that in australia because everyone's paying each other out all the time so the podcast i mean there's a million different ways you could do this

podcast i guess but it would be you know you could have guests like you're saying guests maybe would be the best way to go i was at a party once and i met this girl who said she had this really irrational fear of fruit uh and i and i have heard of that before but i didn't really believe it and at one point i went into the kitchen and got a banana and sneaked up behind her and put the banana in front of her face unexpectedly and my goodness that woman did have a fear of fruit wow she screamed leapt out of her chair and went running like you wouldn't believe she was really and another fear i've come across a few times now is a fear of buttons and i know a woman that won't have buttons on her clothing because she i don't know why but she's just really afraid of buttons does do you have any friends that have

any unusual phobias or are only the more typical ones like i have several friends who have a fear of heights which is i guess the most common perhaps the most understandable or fear of flying you know those kinds of things which have yeah the potential for danger attached to them. But it's, yeah, I tell you, it would be interesting. It would be interesting listening to people talk about, I guess, one of the more rare ones and explaining the lengths they go to in their life as to avoid it. And, you know, and also the reasons as to how they think it came about. I think you're right. I think the best episodes would be the ones where there's a fear that is really unexpected and has modified people's life. I think another reason it would be a popular podcast

is because people would like talking about their own fears. So you would get that interaction on something like a forum or a Reddit or Twitter and that where people feedback with the show, dying to tell you about their own fears, just like people love telling you about their own medical problems. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah. And people that's what's one thing people don't seem to hide them people do seem to be keen to say look i've got a fear of this like it's an interesting oh it is interesting but people don't seem to be have a fear of disclosure regarding their

no no if you if you have an interesting phobia go to the the subreddit that we create for this episode and tim and i would love to read about your phobias and pass judgment on them If you have an interesting phobia, go to the subreddit that we create for this episode. And Tim and I would love to read about your phobias and pass judgment on them. We will not pass judgment on them. Well, I will pass judgment. And Tim will be sympathetic. I'll tell you that. Oh, you shouldn't be afraid of that.

You shouldn't be afraid of it, yeah. Toughen up. The typical old man advice. That's crazy. Just get over it. So here we go. So fear of phobias is a cute name for it. I don't know if that's the best name for it because it's like the opposite of the idea I just had where you're not actually saying what the podcast does on the tin.

The podcast isn't about the fear of phobias at all. No, no. I think you got a bit too clever for yourself there. I love phobias. Podphobia, podcasterphobia. Just phobia might work. Phobia of phobias pod phobia podcaster phobia just phobia just phobia might work phobia phobias how are you with snakes and spiders because they're the being australians they're the two we always get asked about i've seen i lived on um sort of you know property on

a farm a couple of times in my life and the snakes is the one you really worry about spiders you can be careful of and i have found in australia we have very deadly spiders and i've seen a redback spider it's funny how you develop an intuition for them so i was picking up a whole bunch of full of and i have found in australia we have very deadly spiders and i've seen a redback spider it's funny how you develop an intuition for them so i was picking up a whole bunch of wood from my backyard and moving it somewhere else and i've been sitting there for a while so i was building something and i got to the last piece and then just something in me says look under this before you pick it up you know spidey sense yeah it's like it was like a special sense and i picked it up i was just i picked up all the others fine I picked it up and turned over and there was a redback spider.

They're always smaller than you think, aren't they? They are. Which kind of adds to their mystique in a way. It's like, wow, this is the deadliest and it's tiny. As opposed to a massive, what's it called? A funnel web? The funnel webs, they're on the east coast of Australia, aren't they? Are they more than here?

Yeah, I don't know if you get funnel webs here in South Australia. And what about snakes then? What have your snake interactions been like? Well, snakes are scary because they're bigger and they're silver in the sun. You see them outside and they feel they seem more deadly and threatening because they're larger. But I have come across a couple of snakes. I've been walking across the property and sort of jumped down onto a path. And then right, funnily enough, not in the grass, but right in the middle of the path was a snake and it just scares the bejeebers out of you you just stand back and it's there and it's

moving and it's oh and then you've got the worst thing is you can get away reasonably easy you know you don't try and engage it unless you really have to with a piece of wire or something but you don't you stay well away yeah and then you've got to walk the rest of the distance home where every single stick is a snake. Yeah. And it's just, oh, it's like, and you check your bed, you check under your bed the next morning. So you develop a bit of a snake phobia for the next few days after you've had something like that. Yeah.

I'm disappointed by my lack of phobias. I need to work on it. I'm just too damn tough. You are, man. You're a wild man. All right. Too well-rounded. Phobias.

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Yeah. Yeah. What's a solid mark out of 10? Oh, no. That's like a, that's like only like a six. Yeah. That's what I thought. Because it's not like super original.

No. But it is a good idea for a podcast. Like it's what I call a banker. It's a safety. It's a safe banker idea. Whereas my idea is a bit more like could be genius, could be awful. Could be rubbish, yeah. Probably awful.

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I have. I just saw your belly. I'm sorry. Phew. Flat. Smooth. Sorry. Not words that i would have used we in australia we call them a six-pack not that i've got one but we call it a six is that something that's called everyone calls that a six-pack

yeah okay all right all right your id man all right this is a bit out there okay here we go this is a slow burn idea this podcast is called let's invent a language wow this is ambitious all right so basically from episode one there's nothing and the whole idea is that as the podcast progresses we invent a whole new language that we gradually like come up with the words and the grammar and the rules just just piece by piece piece by piece so that hopefully within like four or five hundred episodes you would turn on the podcast and it would be completely in the new language that our listeners together have learned with us and that maybe helped help inform as a community so a bit like a bit like you have the invented language of Esperanto, isn't it?

It's like an invented language that was made up. This would be like our attempt at it, but it would be like, you know, you and me coming up with our language. So from the start it would be, all right. So sometimes it could be like, all right, what's our word for a dog? You'd come up with the coolest word for a dog. You'd come up with a word. But other times you'd have to, you know.

So this would be a podcast better made by people with some linguistic expertise, which. Oh, well, yes. But in some ways, maybe the fact we have none could be quite funny. This is an amazing idea. But I do like the idea that at the end of like a few years, people could turn on the podcast and it would be in a whole new language that at the start didn't exist. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

This is easily the most ambitious idea that we've had. Do you think? Yeah. You would literally have to, I mean, people do create languages, right? So, for instance, J.R. Tolkien invented languages. I mean, he was, he, no, it's not, what's it called? A ling, I've forgotten. It's not, I'll have to think of the word in a minute.

He invented a whole language for the Lord of the Rings. Yeah. And he, for Elfin and all sorts of, and I'm not the Lord of the Rings aficionado. So I can't recall, but I'm, I'm sure people will point it out later on the Reddit. So people do invent languages and particularly for characters in different worlds. But this is really ambitious because it would have to work. You would actually have to use it on the podcast and you'd have to be consistent.

So you literally would have to be learning the language and genuinely putting it into practice all the time. Yeah. That's massively, massively ambitious. I like the idea as well that over time, everyone will think they're an expert on it too and we could start having people correcting us. So we would be speaking our new language,

but some superfan who's been listening since episode one will be pointing out actually you've got that wrong like this is the way it works and and there could be like we could come up with a bit of the dictionary for it and there could be like oh yes imagine that launching your own dictionary wow what would we call the language just what names are gonna have well this is the fun see this is the fun thing You start to play with the sounds of words, and you can have all sorts of contrasting rules. Like, for instance, the word for dog might be something even shorter, like og. But then the word for cat could be ensteperaneous. Ensteperaneous?

Yeah, so it's all... Is that... I'm just sounding something out. But do you know what I mean? An extraordinarily long word for something short and something short for something that's long. Well, what's our word for dog going to be? I think it should be a woofer. A woofer.

Or is that cheating because we're using that kind of... Yeah, that's kind of a pigeon or a colloquialism. So you've got to genuinely invent a... Do you know the word for dog in any other language? Do you know any other languages? No. I don't either. I did one year of Italian and one year of French italian in french it's uh chien isn't it

le chien is a dog okay i think i didn't i did one year of french and one year of italian because i swapped schools and then i didn't do any more so i know like hello and my name is in those languages but it's funny you can pick up you go to france and you can you you do you functionally you're able to walk around. You start feeling quite sophisticated by the end of the week. Or you watch those Scandinavian noir dramas and think you can speak Danish by then. That's right. But coming up with, that's the challenge.

The sounds and the way it's written and the way it's written in different tenses, past tense, future tense, all that sort of stuff. Wow, we're already getting into tenses here. Oh, yeah. The problem with it as a podcast idea, to actually treat it seriously as a podcast idea for a minute, is that it would be a very hard podcast to get people to buy into.

Yeah. Like the hosts would have to be really good and really clever and either funny or smart in a way, because it's like it's a big investment for someone to say, all right, I'm going to stick with it. And it's also a podcast you couldn't come into halfway through no very easily so getting people to sign on from the start would be difficult but i guess the hope would be you would do such a good job over the first 30 or 40 episodes that once you had your lucky break or

word of mouth got out people would go back to the start and like and work their way through to catch up with you yeah it would be hard to make start and work their way through to catch up with you. Yeah. It would be hard to make viable and successful, even though it's quite a fun idea. Do you remember the girls at school used to pretend they had their own language? Well, there was that double Dutch thing, wasn't it? That was called double Dutch. And I'd never completely understood how it worked, but it involved taking.

I thought they were making it up. No, no, no. There were rules to it. So, like, Tim would be like Tivago Mivago or something. You would like take the first sound and the second sound, but you'd put these weird sounds in between. And all you had to do was filter out those sounds in between to understand. I never understood it. I couldn't speak it.

Well, I think that was the point. It was their girl language. But they're only like, it was so impractical. You could only say three or four words. It was more just, you you know it was probably just so the girls could just like tell each other how handsome they thought we were well without without us hearing they were a bit a bit embarrassed to say it to us and that's well that's fair enough yeah i'd speak another language in the presence of two guys as good looking as us oh dear yeah yeah no there are all sorts of problems with this but it would be fun to attempt to do it could it could be so you don't have to invent a language you know starting from

basic punctuation and going from there and different letters you could start introducing words that are reasonably common words and people would use that all week and then next week that the podcast you know what i mean so you start just adapting and swapping in words, incidentally. So it sort of grows that way. Because you have the language evolving, but also there's the spelling. Because you know how sometimes the written word has got different rules to the spoken word. So would we also be covering like, you know, this is a dog is called a woofer. But how is a woofer spelt?

You know, is it W-O-O-F-A or F-E-R? Or, you know, these are, are you know there are other languages which are coming about anyway i mean they like well firstly there's text message language but people use the different spellings of things how they put them in text messages i thought we were more losing languages than gaining languages i thought there was this whole homogenizing thing going on i don't know if there are lots of new languages coming on stream what i mean is new new uses for it that happen that way language Language evolves, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

And France has this special ministry which is about preserving their language and this is the only way something can be spoken. They're very precious about it. But there's a... But we would be that for our new language. We would be like the gods where if there was ever a debate, like only you or I could decide. Or which one of us?

What if we disagreed? No, like only you or I could decide. Or which one of us? What if we disagreed? No, there would have to be a conference. I think we'd have to get with my decision, seeing I came up with the idea. I think I'm number one on this. I think you're my 2IC. Like, if I'm busy, I can delegate to you the power to decide words. There is the emojis are kind of like a new language as well. Maybe our new language could have its own emojis as well.

So we'd have our own whole set of emojis. Yeah, that's true. Like we could just completely break off from the rest of the world. And imagine this, imagine our language becomes so popular and the podcast is so popular. Our language becomes like the official language of podcasting and all podcasters podcasting in that language. Like it becomes like a like a

lingua franca like it becomes like the middle language that it's the language you can guarantee that you know every podcast should at least have a version in our language that's so it's the podcast language a little bit like computers have code language like you had basic and then whatever came after basic for the other computer languages so like so then you could appeal to people all around the world so like. Because people who don't speak English don't listen to the Unmade podcast because it's in English. But if we had a universal podcasting language, it doesn't matter what country you're from.

Well, yeah, but I listen to my podcast in Brady language. So I like it. It's called Brady language now. I've just decided that. Then perhaps we could have our own country. Like we could have an army. Bradyland. We could develop nuclear weapons.

The possibilities are endless. Yes. Can you remember what the name is for a person who studies languages? Well, linguist. No, linguist. But there's another one for people who, I'm sure there's another word. There's an ography, isn't there? There's a, I know what you're talking about.

I'll look up what Tolkien was on the old Google. The patron saint of nerds. Philologist. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. So that's about words, isn't it? Rather than language.

It's the study of language in oral and written historical sources. Okay. So, yeah. So middle English and the way in which it was used. I don't like the word philologist, so we'll come up with a new word for that in Brady language. That's right. Well, that's it.

You can break all the rules, so you don't have to use the root word of, you know, phobia, for instance. You can just change it to something else. Would you make it a more complex language or a simpler language than English? Incredibly complex. You'd push it right out there. Yeah. Incredible number of exceptions to the rules,

little caveats, full of little in-jokes and side streets. If you haven't listened to every single episode of our podcast, you have no idea how to speak this bad boy. What if it was entirely circumstantial and subjective? In other words, that word means whatever you need it to be in that moment.

So the language is always evolving in real time all the time. Which is another way of saying you talk gibberish and I'll talk gibberish. And that's our language. There is also, I mean, German does something like this where Germans often have one long word that captures essentially half a sentence in English. So we will have, you know, doctoral supervisor and they have doctor father and we have kindergarten. Well, kindergarten, we use their word. But, you know, they have a word that's as long as a sentence

to save us actually saying a sentence. Yeah, and they'll have a word for that tingly feeling you get on your knee on a Wednesday when you bump it into a piece of metal while eating a hot dog. And they'll be like, oh, Germans have got a word for that. Yeah. That's schusche schuttenfreude. It always sounds like an accusation.

Yeah, they do. And they've got two different words for history and all those helpful and unhelpful things, as does Greek. I mean, the reason I'd be terrible for this podcast as well is I have no aptitude for languages. It was always a big weakness of mine, trying to learn a new language. I didn't do it much, but when I did, I didn't get anywhere. I think I haven't got the patience for it. for languages i was it was always a big weakness of mine trying to learn a new language like i didn't do it much but when i did i didn't get anywhere i think i haven't got i haven't got

the patience for it i'm a bit the same i had to do a some study in greek in ancient greek and it is helpful the bits you learn stay with you and they do help you with the text but that's not motivating enough to go back and say oh i'm going to do three or four semesters of that. Mainly because there are other areas that I was more interested in studying. But it is difficult. It is difficult. And a lot of it's rote memory. Yeah. And you associate rote memory with childhood education.

Not, you know, your memory just seems to diminish the older I get. But that's an excuse. I totally wish I spoke lots of languages, though, because I would so love to, like, be in those situations, like, at a dinner dinner table or in lifts and that when people speak another language and they think you don't know what's going on and just like poker face it and just like pretend I have no idea what's going on, but just know everything. And then pick those magic moments when you reveal that you speak the language in some clever way. I thought you were going to say it's that you'd love to be that person with the menu at the restaurant and be able to order in the language which is the most pretentious thing you can ever do in a film scene there of all the podcast ideas we've discussed so far though this is the one that i am most definitely not going to do this is going to be the most unmade of the unmade but it is in a similar vein to tommy ball and tommy ball

is the one that people seem to have found a real energy and excitement around a huge response to because it's creating something out of nothing oh i think people listening will probably think oh that sounds in that sounds interesting i'd like to hear what that sounds like i'm just saying i can't do it like i won't do it tommy ball i could do you know and we'll do one sometime we'll do one soon probably but like the the language one no no, no, I can't do that. Well, there we go. Yeah, it's hugely ambitious. Let's invent a language.

Let's invent a language is the perfect name for it too. You had me at let's invent a language. I should have just said that and stopped. Would have saved loads of time. This podcast is called Steve Martin's Sequels. And it comes from, this is Steve Martin, the actor. I was watching last night one of the all-time great films, Planes, Trains and Automobiles.

Yeah, very good film. I was watching it with my wife, and one of the wonderful things about my wife is she has very poor memory for films. So if I want to watch an awesome film that we've seen a hundred times, I just put it on and she's like, this is great. I haven't seen it. She hasn't seen it before. So we watched it again and I enjoy it and I watch that probably once a year.

It's such a great film. But it got me thinking about Steve Martin and what a curious career he's had. This podcast is not about him exclusively, but it got me thinking about he's an actor who's made some really great films and some really awful films but one of the frustrating things is he has only ever made sequels for his awful films right so he's so he he does films like cheaper by the dozen you know where it's just like a a really awful film but then there's cheaper by the dozen too okay and then there's you know what i too. Okay. And then there's, you know what I mean? So whereas awesome films like Planes, Trains and Automobiles just stands alone and he doesn't do a sequel.

So I was just thinking about sequels in particular and the value of them and if they're better than the originals. And there's a whole podcast to be made around sequels. And the cute name I've given is Steve Martin Sequels because he's making sequels that shouldn't be made, but he's not making the sequels that should be made. And I think that there's a podcast idea to talk about sequels. I think people like talking about the value of sequels as well.

I agree. I think sequels is a good idea. I think the name is too much of a red herring. Yeah. I see what you were trying to do to give it that kind of quirkiness, but I don't think it's a strong enough example to justify that being the name of the podcast. I think maybe just sequels.

Just sequels. Yeah, or part two or something. But I love the idea of something where you just discuss sequels because you're right, it's such a... When you're having pop culture film discussions, everyone loves talking about is the sequel better than the original they shouldn't have made a sequel should they make a sequel so i like the idea but i'm but the name is too distracting and too obscure and a bit too clever so what

okay so a couple of things is there someone that you associate with sequels is there anyone who does the more sequels or is the sequel actor you know what i mean no i guess i guess i don't think you need to attach it to someone i just think sequels is enough okay okay so so the the sequel strikes back or something but i mean that's yeah that's i mean the two there are two or three things that you automatically think of you think of the empire strikes back as every as the sequel everyone thinks part two is better than the one that came before uh and the godfather the godfather yeah which won best picture just like the original yeah i looked up someone i was curious and so i looked up who's done the most sequels and it's surprising because it's uh the information that

i found online was harrison ford because of the trilogies that he's done. And so you've got the, obviously, the Indiana Jones trilogy and you've got the Star Wars trilogy. So you've got to got two sequels, you know, packed in. But then he's also did the sequel to the Jack Ryan trilogy. Yeah, Tom Clancy novels. Yeah, yeah. Although he didn't do all three, of course. Alec Baldwin did the first one.

But he did only the, he did the sequel. Yeah. And then he did the sequel to the sequel. I wonder if that's the only example of someone doing, only appearing in the sequels to a film and never in the first one, as the main character. There must be other examples. But it might be remakes, whereas this is a...

Well, Robert De Niro is not in the first Godfather film. Did he get the Oscar for the second one? He's strong in the second one. He is, yeah. So, I mean, yeah, i don't think there's uh so that's that's moving that's yeah the timeline moves around and so there's a new new actor there are a lot there are there are lots of examples of i think films film series where an actor has died and someone else's i mean the harry potter they changed dumbledore didn't they after richard harris died so and michael gambon whatever took over so and the unique example is the um the bond franchise which is a little bit different

they're not quite sequels but they're yeah they're a series in a particular way no i do i do like the idea of uh a sequel series i mean i can imagine it getting a little bit like oh this wasn't as good or this is better like i i imagine the it could be it could get tired after a while you could be giving yourself a straight jacket that you might get sick of wearing as a podcaster after six months or a year they might you might feel like there are other things you want to talk about and you wish you hadn't made your series all about sequels i think like whenever i'm coming up with new youtube channels or people are talking to me about youtube channels and they're saying what should it be about and what should i call call it? As I always tell them, make sure you leave yourself wiggle room because you don't know

where you're going to want to take this in six months time. And you have given yourself quite a straight checkup, but you've also given yourself the unique selling point. So, and that's, what's good about the idea. So it's a specific idea. It could be, you could, you could limit it. You could say top 10 sequels or something like that, but that's obviously limiting obviously limiting it in again then you couldn't talk about the bad ones but you could say 10 episodes or 20 episodes oh yeah but why even do that then why why not just call it sequels

and stop after 10 well like now now you're limiting yourself even more by calling it top 10 sequels you could call it you could call it star wars sequels and then it's sequels. Top ten sequels with a prime number of letters in their name. There are also, here's an even more specific one, prequels. Hmm. So. I think prequels could be covered in sequels. Do you think it's similar? Yeah, I think you could have special episodes in your sequel series where you deal with prequels.

As long as it's a quill, it's all right. Okay, okay. Well, here's one. It's not a quill it's all right okay okay well here's one it's not a quill but this is another another tense and this is a very small genre of film which is it's not a prequel and it's not a sequel it's a parallel right so another film that's happening at the same time as this film yeah now the only film i could think of that came to mind that references that film it's quite obviously is the back to the future trilogy so one and two so two of course they're sequels no no well of course they're

sequels but they go but they they have the unique aspect of telling the parts of the film on top of the other film he goes back and visits the same time in 1955 and he also goes into the future obviously and then he in part three goes all the way back to the wild west but he does you know what i mean there is a film happening at the same time as the original film can you think of another example i don't know where the timeline is for these new harry potter like these magical creatures or fantastic beasts or whatever they're called but that's kind of happening isn't it i mean star wars is going to very soon be going very much that way

when they bring out all these individual films about what's Boba Fett been up to and what's Han Solo doing, all these new films. That's going to become a big part of the Star Wars universe. So they're sort of, they branch off. What do you call them? They're spin-offs. Spin-offs, by definition, kind of go that way.

Like a TV series spin-off, you know, when someone leaves and has their own sitcom afterwards, like Frasier leaves Cheers, and I guess it's happening at the same time as him going back to the Cheers bar, but they're not referenced in the same way. They're not popping into my head quickly enough, but I'm sure there are films where that has happened,

where things have been set at the same time, like, you know, in the same universe. What's the worst sequel you've ever seen? Hmm, worst sequel.'ve ever seen? Hmm. Worst sequel. I'm not thinking of any stinkers immediately. You give me one and I'll have a think. The much discussed are the prequels to the Star Wars movie.

So we'll leave them aside because it's taken as a given. Yeah. They're up there. Yeah. Yeah. They're dreadful. I didn't like Die Hard 2. No.

But I did like the third one. Yeah, yeah. I agree with that in heart. Because Die Hard 1 is fantastic. Yeah, of course. The second one, yeah, the plane and it doesn't do it. Well, it does have Sipowitz from NYPD Blue. Andy Sipowitz as the cop.

Okay, all right. Which redeems it. Did you like the Blade Runner sequel recently? I've never seen Blade Runner. Right. I know I should have because it's heralded as a great film and it harrison ford everything says i should look at it but i haven't seen it okay so obviously you didn't go and see the sequel then it's a great sequel fantastic yeah no i haven't which do you like better out of the godfather and the godfather 2 i go back and

forward and i think about this regularly like i literally just will ponder it when I'm waiting somewhere and I'll try and have a definitive answer. It's really hard. Your kids are like, take me to the hospital. You're like, no, I need to stop and think about The Godfather for 20 minutes. I do. I watch The Godfather.

I watch the first two kind of every January, right, on holidays. I just watch them every year. I probably watch them three times a year. And I watched the first one and I think, oh, this is really the best. Then you watch the second one. The only reason I would say I think the first one is the best is that every now and then I get a little bit bored in the second one when they're doing the early, the flashback, the Robert De Niro scenes.

They're doing the early life of Vito Corleone. And it's not that I don't enjoy it or think it's poorly made. I just go, you know what I mean? It a bit the pacing is a bit slow yeah i'm looking forward to getting back with al pacino and the casinos and all that stuff gosh it's such a great it's a it's a great it's even some ways a better film because it's got that double narrative going on what about you i would probably just lean towards the first one because there's a few minor flaws in the second one yeah what flaws like that pacing and like yeah they drag a few bits here and there yeah but they're both they're both superb i also don't think the third one's terrible i think the third

godfather film is a good solid film but it doesn't feel as legendary but i do i always watch it i have to say last year i didn't finish watching it yeah so it doesn't grab me in the same way yeah there's a there's a there's a whole podcast just to talk about the godfather in fact that's a podcast idea people would talk about the godfather and i'd listen to people talking about the godfather i went that must exist there must be the most one called the podfather and all that sort of stuff it might be ricky gervais used that term so maybe it's been maybe it's been used I went through a whole series where I watched lots of documentaries and read the book and then read lots of other books about it.

I haven't read it. I've only ever watched the films. It is fascinating. Is there a film you would like them to make a sequel to that they haven't? There are films that I wish there was more of that film. So like Planes, Trains and Automobiles, right? Right. Following on from The Godfather.

Another classic movie. it's like i don't want it to stop so there are films that i don't i don't if i didn't if they made a sequel of it it would end up being another story and maybe another obviously another actor now john candy's not with us anymore but i don't really want a second one because it'll the second the sequels often try and have an overly complex plot. Like they have some major, I don't know, like a band of jewel thieves get involved and suddenly there's a big disaster. And it's like, hang on, I just want to see them hanging out and arguing all the time. And so I want that film to go twice as long.

Right. But I don't necessarily want a sequel. Yeah. So, you know, it's an enjoyable place to be and you just want it to keep going. There are interesting films where you don't want a sequel but there are films that leave you with a really strong desire to know what happened to the protagonists next.

Oh, yeah, like what? Castaway. Oh, yeah. Like at the end of Castaway when Tom Hanks is at the crossroads, which I know is the whole point and it's like, well, what does he do next? But, like, because I love him so much, becauseaway when Tom Hanks is at the crossroads, which I know is the whole point. And it's like, well, what does he do next? But like, because I love him so much, because Tom Hanks. I'm like, what happened? What happened to him?

Did he find that new lady? And what was his life like afterwards? And I know I'm not supposed to know. And I know if I know, it would be ruined. So I accept that I can't know. But there are a few, occasionally you watch a film where they deliberately leave you not knowing what happened next in those people's lives. And I'm like, damn, I wish I knew. I hope it worked out. It's like when you watch the end of the West Wing,

it's like, oh, what was that next presidency like? And what happened to Butler? And what did they all do? Like, you get so invested in characters that if they don't give you closure, you feel like there's a real aching that that really sticks with you to know what happened to those people there's a little tantalizing moment at the end of patriot games where it's got nothing to do with well it does have something to do with a plot where his wife is expecting a baby and then remember that he turns and says is it a boy is it a boy or a girl and then it goes to credits that i don't like the end of that film for that reason.

Like, that's too cynical, a cliffhanger. Because there you're cliffhanging me on something I don't even care about. I know. Why do I remember it and wonder when it doesn't matter? Yeah. Yeah, it's like she answers the phone and goes, oh, who was that on the phone? And she goes, it was.

And then they cut it off and it's like, oh, it was probably just the guy delivering the shopping. It's like, I don't care about that after all that so speaking of sequels did you what did you think of the sequel or series two of stranger things because that's another thing you could do with sequels by the way like tv series that have sequels but what did you think of series two compared to series one i have not seen stranger things oh you're dead to me you can get it here you just haven't got around to it i haven't watched it yeah i haven't watched it okay but people are raving about i hear enough conversation with people to say that series two is amazing even better than the first i cannot believe that someone who like is obsessed with

pop culture and especially like 80s you know the 80s and stuff like that and has a real like affectionate for all that nostalgia has not watched that yet you that is a that is a glaring glaring gap in your uh in your viewing that needs to be remedied soon i hear it's quite scary is it scary you'll be right you'll be right that's not the reason i've not seen it but i've just heard it's not... It doesn't endear me to it. But I should watch it. People say it's really retro. It's like Goonies.

Is that right? You'll love it. You'll love it. Yeah. Okay. What do you think of it then? People listening will have watched it. The first series was excellent,

and then I thought they were going to drop the ball on the second series, and they didn't. Because that's what your fear is with sequels, isn't it? They'll ruin the memory of the first thing, but they didn't. I think they did a really good job second time around. Yeah. What do you think about them not making sequels of things?

Like, do you admire the courage of not making sequels, like the beloved films? Or are you kind of like, no, let's have a crack at it? Or are you, like, precious about things and like, no, don't make a sequel and ruin my precious memory, which is what I'm like. I do like the idea of the standalone if it's a really great piece of art however the godfather defies that it's like

wow you okay okay you've done that better and obviously star wars is an argument the other way going this was annoying i wish this didn't exist i would wish i had those you know original three movies although they've redeemed it a little bit lately there's got to be an artistic reason to take it to another level if it's just a money reason, you can kind of tell. It just says, you know, part two and away we go. I wish there were many more Indiana Jones films. Really? Yeah.

I love Indiana Jones films and I wish there were many more. I wish there were five, six, seven, eight. But the fourth one I hope you consider to be an abomination. Yes. No, that was rubbish. But I still, it's like, no, idiot, get J.J. Abrams in here and do this properly. And I want to have more. I would love to see lots more adventures of Indiana Jones.

It's interesting. They have all those TV shows, don't they? Like the Indiana Jones Chronicles and stuff. Yeah, I went looking when he's young. I went looking for them one day to show the kids. And yeah, but I couldn't find them. They're lost. All right.

Like the Ark. There they've been. All the VHS has been put in some box in a warehouse somewhere. That's right. Yeah. Sequels. All right. Will there be a sequel to the Unmade podcast?

Podcasts by definition are sequels, aren't they? They're a series. So a TV show is not really a sequel. I don't think podcasts can are sequels aren't they they're a series so a tv show is not really a sequel i don't think i don't think podcasts can have sequels i mean the obvious sequel would be like a whole series where you make or made podcasts but but that could be it could be like that too it could be like oh i loved i loved those ideas on the unmade podcast but then they went and made them and ruined it yeah yeah that's right it's like it like i think a lot of these ideas are better in better as ideas yeah then as being like brought to fruition but i still we will still fruit some of them to sate people's desire to hear what they

like because the plan is pretty soon to make one one or two i'm looking forward to it of our ideas so let's invent a language where do we start that's huge quick shout out for our Patreon patreon.com slash unmade FM

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Shelby who you're not going to believe where shelby's from canada canada again wow the canadians are really good at emailing and taking part in this shelby is a woman from toronto another university student doing a media studies program does a lot of of design, graphic and web, social media. In her final year, so getting ready to sort out her life. She's a bit of an adrenaline junkie. She likes all your, you know, your jumping out of planes and wearing helmets and GoPros on you.

She sent a bunch of pictures so we can even see what she looks like here. And she's up to all sorts of adventurous stuff. Oh, wow. Being an adrenaline junkie who likes sort of black water rafting and white. What's black water rafting? Is that when you go in a cave? I have no idea. I think black water rafting must be underground or something and absorbing.

So, of course, she's been to New Zealand, like all adrenaline junkies. Is her idea in line with her hobbies? No. Her idea for a podcast that she actually thinks she might make at some point, I've heard that story before, is called Origins Of, where you pick a really mundane item or topic each episode and then talk about how it came to be and any interesting story surrounding its origin.

You could also tie in discussions about the etymology of the word. That would appeal to you, that one, wouldn't it? Yeah, I like that sort of stuff. Is she talking about household objects, like where forks come from or? I don't know. There's her email. You can read it as well as me. She doesn't go into that detail.

She just says the origins of stuff. Well, she says a mundane item or topic. Topic. Let's stay with items. So, you know, like, well, forks, cars, chairs. How long have chairs been designed like a chair? Who invented the chair? It was Sir Alfred Chair.

Oh, really? Yeah, he was an Englishman in the 1870s. Before then, we just stood up all the time. This guy called Alfred Chair came along and said, I've got this great idea. Instead of standing up all the time, we're going to sit down. Wow. People were like, what do you mean by sit?

Could we have more information? Oh, he got really rich from it. He still gets. Are you telling a true story? Yeah, yeah. I thought you were having a laugh. No, no. His family gets two pounds or about $2.50 for every chair that gets made.

That's right. This is like Lord Gerald's sandwich. It was the first person. No, there was the Earl of Sandwich. Earl of Sandwich, isn't it? this shows why we shouldn't record these things together tim because i just put on my serious face and you believe me that is so absurd and then you were so insistent anyway so the history of yeah mundane objects so that is interesting i think people find that interesting no matter who they are yeah you can explain it you'd have to explain

it well in the history without no i don't think You'd have to explain it well in the history without... No, I don't think you'd have to explain it well. Of course you'd have to explain it well. No, no, no. I was about to say, obviously, because there are no images. Like, I want to see what the early version of something looks like. But I guess you can just explain it. You're thinking this is more of a visual thing, potentially.

Potentially. I don't know. I think it's a good... I think it's like a... It's what we call a banker. We love our banker ideas, don't we? And I think that's a good... I think it's like a... It's what we call a banker. We love our banker ideas, don't we? And I think that's a banker. That podcast couldn't go wrong.

No, that's interesting. Yeah, but Shelby's going to make it, so... She probably shouldn't have told us about it. She's kind of blown it now. I like the name Shelby. Do you? I've never met anyone called Shelby. No, I don't think I have either.

Do you ever wonder if there's a word that you like that you've never said out loud? Like not even a word you like. Do you ever wonder if there's a word that you know, like you know the meaning of it or you're familiar with it, very familiar with it, but you've never spoken it? I do know that I had an experience where I knew a word and had read it many times. And when I said it out loud, I pronounced it incorrectly. Right. So for years and years, the word fiancé. I read it in books.

I knew what fiancé was. But when I came to say it out loud, I realized in my head all that time I'd been saying fiancé. Fiancé. And so I suddenly said it out loud, oh, that's that person's fiancé. Oh, right. And as I was saying it, I knew that's not how that's supposed to sound. I'm not surprised you hadn't said it before.

I'm surprised you hadn't heard it before. I think I almost had heard it, but it was like a whole different category. So when I heard it, I didn't visualize it being spelt that way. It was like a word in its own category. So it wasn't as you were proposing. You weren't like on one knee saying to your wife to be, will you please be my fiancée? Will you be my fiancée? She was like, don't have any money on me at the moment.

Little did she know she would become your fiancée over the years. But you know, once I said it was like, no, that's wrong. And then I was pointed out to me that I know that. It's like, oh yes, I put two and two together. Okay. What about you? Do you have a word that you? Well, I don't know.

If I knew, I would say it now. And I would like, I wonder if the first time you ever say a word, like it's a big deal, isn't it? I'm trying to think what's a word that I know that I've never said. I don't know. If I knew, I'd say it. I don't know. There are new words you learn.

You go, how do I pronounce this? How do I say this? You know, like. When I was young i'd never said cd player before but that's because cd players didn't exist that's right emoji that's a word i know i've only said in the last five years i remember being in primary school and we were playing that like 20 questions guessing game where someone thinks of something i'm thinking of something guess what it is you know and my year five teacher at school said i'm thinking of something and all the students had to guess what it was and we were like is it made of this is it cold is it hot is it big is it expensive and he was like yes no no yes no yes no yes and in the

end none of the we didn't get what it was and then the teacher said all right i'll tell you what i was thinking of it was a cd player and i didn't know what a cd player was wow and i was like and i'm like i don't know what that is like I would never have guessed that because it's a thing I haven't heard of. I haven't heard of it. Yeah. I remember being at school and you announcing to the class, we have a CD player. You were moving house and you suddenly realised in amongst the things you had

was a CD player and you were like celebrating it. And I remember thinking with envy, oh, man, I wish we had a CD player. Sorry, man. I know. Have you got one now i i did manage to get my hands on you got one yeah yeah and all those cds are in boxes uh in the shed yeah yeah that technology didn't actually last very long at all anyway thank you shelby for being a patreon patron of the unmade podcast we have spoken about your idea and then ended up reminiscing about CD players.

I don't know how that happened, but we appreciate everyone who supports the podcast. You can do likewise at patreon.com slash unmade FM. And in due course, I may get in touch with you and say, have you got an idea that you would like us to talk about on the show? And we may talk about it. I wonder with the name Shelby, you know, Australia how we shorten everyone's name to an abbreviation? Yeah. Shelby, would it be abbreviated to Shell? Do people call her Shell? Because in Australia we call people called Michelle is often called Shell or Shelley. Would Shelby be a Shell?

Shelby. Shelbs. The Shelbmeister? Yeah, Shelbster. Shelbster. Thanks, Shelbster, for supporting the... I think we've just lost her As a patron too now I do like the name I just wonder if it would be shortened That is a uniquely Australian thing

To do But we would want to shorten it More than that We just eventually Just shorten it to like Shh Shh That's right

Shh Maybe Shelby is the shortened version Of Shelbuther Shelbuther Shelbina Shelbina She's actually called Shelbina

Shabambulator Shabambulator Shabambbina. Shabambulator. Shabambulator. Shabam. Shabambulator. Where's Shabambulator? Wow. That's an important name.

So maybe Shelb... Hey, no. Hey, and Shabambulator one day says, look, I appreciate, you know, I think we're close enough now. You can start calling me Shelby. Oh, no. You'll always be Shabambulator. You'll always be Shelby. Oh, that's great.

Anyway, I do love the name Shelby, but it is... Hmm. Shell. We have lots of shells in Australia. Yeah. And not just on the beaches. But Australians like to put E on the ends of things as well, you know. So Shelby's already got one inbuilt.

Ah, that's difficult. No, but that's good. Like, she's already... She's made for Australia. She would, yeah, probably keep her name. Okay. You can be Shelby.