The Unmade Podcast - 89: WARNING - Don't Play With Lava

Episode Date: July 22, 2021

Tim and Brady discuss carbon neutrality, Coldplay, KFC firelogs, rocking horse art, holidays, Mt Gambier, Iceland, birthdays, a nemesis, and hot weather in the UK. Hover - register your domain now and get 10% off by going to: https://www.hover.com/Unmade Go to Storyblocks for stock video, pictures and audio at: https://www.storyblocks.com/unmade Enjoy this episode on Youtube with some pictures and accompanying video at appropriate times - https://youtu.be/4qe2Go8stoU Support us on Patreon - it helps the show and lines you up for many goodies - https://www.patreon.com/unmadeFM Join the discussion of this episode on our subreddit - https://redd.it/opd08a USEFUL LINKS Some accompanying pictures for this episode - https://www.unmade.fm/episode-89-pictures Coldplay - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coldplay KFC firelog - https://amzn.to/3kIAD6R Rocking Horse Art from Patrons - https://www.unmade.fm/rocking-horse-art Mt Gambier - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Gambier,_South_Australia Brady's Iceland extravaganza - https://www.bradyharanblog.com/iceland-index Pictures of Spoon of the Week - https://www.unmade.fm/spoon-of-the-week Send your own spoon by following these instructions - https://www.unmade.fm/send-us-a-spoon Unmade Podcast 41: The Birthday Podcast - https://www.unmade.fm/episodes/episode41 Nemesis - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemesis A UK Heatwave - https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/types-of-weather/temperature/heatwave

My waveform looks lovely. Yep. And I'm more intimate and closed in with the microphone as per your feedback in recent weeks. Ooh, I love being closed in with your intimate waveform. Nice. Tim, can I start with an announcement? Please. The Unmade podcast is going to go carbon neutral by 2030.

The Unmade podcast is going to go carbon neutral by 2030. Are you sick of all these vague announcements that have got these long distant goals that no one's ever going to remember or care about? And you don't even know what they're aiming for. What does that even mean? What carbon are we using at the moment? Like, well, I drove here tonight, so I used the car. So I may have an electric car by 2030. That still uses some carbon, don't they?

I don't know. That's exactly it. No one even knows what carbon neutral means. Does it just mean every time you drive your car, you pay some money into a guilt fund to plant some trees? I think it means that a power station uses less power to create electricity than us all having power stations in our cars. But have you noticed Formula One, like the Formula One Grand Prix racing is just obsessing with their environmental credentials? And it's a little bit like the Lady Doth protest too much, sort of, you know?

Yeah, yeah. And all these things are always so far in the future where other people can change the god you know someone else will be in charge of formula one or the u.s government or whatever in the future so saying we're going to do this by some far-off year it does feel a bit like like i know the eu the other day made an announcement that i think combustible combustion engine not combustible but combustion hopefully combustible, combustion engine, not combustible, but combustion, hopefully combustible engines are already illegal, but combustion engines will be illegal by 2035. And I, it reminds, which I think is wonderful and virtuous, but it reminds me of that time in the early nineties when we were promised video phones and it just seemed like, wow,

they're just around the corner, video phones. And it took another, like, 20 or 30 years till the iPhone came along where we could legitimately do it. You know, video phones were like, oh, my goodness, it seemed so logical and so close, and yet it was never there, and we were always promised. I'm going to be a really good friend to you, Tim, by the year 2080. Right, okay. You're going to start now. No, no, I'm not going to you tim by the year 2080 right okay you're gonna start

now no no i'm not gonna start now just by 2080 i'm gonna put a limit yeah yeah we could have used this line of arguing to do a lot of negotiations with our parents when we were young couldn't we like yeah clean your room it's like i vow to clean my room by 11 45 and it just pushes everything out there yeah i'm gonna be tidy room neutral by 1993 it is partly the language isn't it that makes us cynical yeah so anyway if the unmade podcast is still going in 2030 we're going to get a few people on our backs about our carbon neutrality. So mark my words. Can I say, firstly, it's not totally in our hands. Like, for instance, like the production of the Unmade podcast can aspire to be carbon neutral.

But if any listeners are out there, you know, burning carbon while they're listening. Good point. They're liable. We're not liable. You should put that in there. Listening to us on their coal-powered podcast players that's right i know coldplay didn't tour their last album this is before the pandemic because of the carbon that it would use to tour that feels a little bit like getting out of work you know like it's like on look i'm not

coming to work today sir because i would burn carbon to get there like we should go the opposite and say by 2030 we're going to fly between england and australia for every episode to record it just for a boxy little podcast we're going to use up what coldplay coldplay have done the hard yards for us right and we're gonna use those coldplay carbon we're gonna spend our coldplay credits maybe the world hopefully by 2030 will be coldplay neutral and then maybe an asteroid will have come from space and just taken out Coldplay. Oh, dear. That's very hard.

Four guys just having a go. Coldplay neutral. Pretty repetitive music. What if the EU actually came out and said that? I'm afraid we're taking a stand. That was one album too many. What does it mean to be Coldplay neutral? Does it mean every time you listen to a Coldplay song,

you've got to go and listen to like a really cool indie song? Yeah, yeah, you have to balance it out somehow. Yeah. It's like to get credits back because you're Coldplay deficit. I'm thinking of a particular Coldplay fan at the moment who is also an unmade podcast listener, who won't be happy with this line of conversation. But he's making me, I'm kind of reveling in it even more because of that. You're just passively, passive aggressive,

having a conversation with that friend right now, aren't you? That's right. Yes, yes. I'm using you. Yeah, yeah. Can I say, I think the second Coldplay album was a really good album, but they've made like eight or nine or something since then and they don't do it for me

But the second one is a really lovely album That's the one with clocks on it so that's kind of the one That matters you know I like Till Kingdom Come that's my favourite Coldplay song Oh yeah well that's like a hidden track I think isn't it so It is yeah I like that one I've heard that done in a wedding acoustically

And that sounded nice but I edited my cousin's wedding video to that song. Oh, right. How lovely. They're a great band, aren't they, Coldplay? What else do you like about them, man? Let's be Coldplay positive 100% by this time next Wednesday. Hey, look, speaking of burning fossil fuels and stuff like that,

quite a few people have been in touch about this over the last few months. So I'm just going to acknowledge its existence and ask for more information or even a sample, perhaps. And that is, have you seen this KFC fire log that KFC are promoting at the moment? I have. It's been tweeted to me a couple of times. What's it about? Do know it is well i guess you're probably not overly familiar with the use of these artificial fire logs being from australia but you get you buy them a lot in shops in the uk if you have a fireplace they're caught they're kind of like instead of a natural wooden log you can get kind of artificial logs made from

various substances which burn more easily in your fireplace. I've been known to use them from time to time. It's a bit like, you know, I think it's a bit frowned upon by, you know, true fire aficionados, but using an artificial fire log is like a bit of a shortcut. And now KFC have made one, but when this burns, it doesn't just burn in your fireplace. It apparently releases the smell of herbs, spices and fried chicken. Oh, wow. place it apparently releases the smell of herbs spices and fried chicken oh wow i've not seen one or in real life and i've not yet smelt one but i'd be very curious to hear someone who has actually burned one what's it like is it like and do you want to fill your house with the smell of kfc well well i know the answer is yes for you but well that could be torture if you're not actually

going to follow through like i do like smelling kfc out just in the community i think i've mentioned before when i was on council the car park was just a block away and every time i got out of the car you could smell the kfc you know over the road and that's that's wonderful i think that should waft you know all that blesses a community to have that wafting through the community. Like eggnog or mulled wine. You like just the fried chicken smell emanating from the KFC kitchens. Yes, that's right. Like chestnuts roasting on an open fire at Christmas. Yeah, all right.

Chicken logs burning in the fireplace. Has anyone smelt a fire log? If you have, get in touch with Tim and I and let us know. Is it as good or as bad as it sounds? So, it's like compacted wood that burns more slowly. I think it's usually sort of compacted stuff like sawdust and resins and things that burn easily. Usually, you use them to get your fire started. That's what I do. I'll get the fire log. And usually, they're wrapped in paper and you just light the paper. Right. And then within a minute or two, you've got this nice burning thing that burns for 20 or 30 minutes. And while that's burning normally, you put real wooden stuff on top and get your fire going. Yep.

But you can't just use a fire log on its own. It would be hard to fill your house with the scent and then not actually have, you know, the chicken to eat. That would be, that's like some kind of torture. That's like, I'm going to go and sit and read a book in a bakery for an hour, but not actually, you know, buy a pie or a loaf of bread or anything. That's just like half an experience. It's a marvellous experience, but yeah. Have you ever gone into a KFC and then realised you've like forgot your wallet and not been able to buy it and had to leave? No but close i i have driven into town in fact this happened this week so i was i drove we were on holiday and staying out of town and i drove into the town got a haircut and all that kind of stuff and i was going to just playing on a joke with the

kids buy a little bit of kfc and take back because they'd brought a little bit home as a little entree a few nights beforehand. So I was going to do the same thing. And then I didn't, I realised I'd come into town without my wallet. So. How'd you pay for your haircut? Oh, that's true. It mustn't have been the haircut trip. It must be the.

You're like, oh, I've got to pay the hairdresser. Oh, it must have been later in the day then what was the little trip i took look at your story falling apart on the stand under my cross-examination you're right you're right i've never i bought it and i ate it and i loved every minute of it i didn't tell the kids i've changed my bank accounts and Put it on an offshore account Just to hide the transactions But I did it You've got a separate bank account and card Just for KFC purchases

That's right, it's a Swiss account I transfer the directive Now, just quickly also People may remember We had our wholesome episode where we visited the Big Rocking Horse. And as a result of that, we invited our stakeholders, our Patreon supporters, as a little side project to send in pictures and pieces of art called A Day at the Big Rocking Horse.

If you'd like to see some of the pictures that were sent in, they were absolute masterpieces and some not masterpieces, if I'm honest. Some people used art and craft and paintings and watercolours. Someone made a sculpture out of bread. Someone did like a picture in the ground, in the soil, like a Marie man or those white horses in England or something. People were doing all sorts of amazing stuff. I'll put a link in the ground, in the soil, like a Marie man or those white horses in England or something. People were doing all sorts of amazing stuff. I'll put a link in the show notes.

Did any catch your eye, Tim? I did send them to you, didn't I? Oh, yeah, no, I looked through. I'd already been through them as well. They look fantastic. I really love them, yeah. Yeah. I like the ones that were a bit innovative.

There were some beautiful pictures, like colouring in, and obviously some kids have had a go as well. It's fantastic. When I say obviously some kids, I hope i'm not offending any of the adults coloring outside the lines as well but some people are very good at art some people are more like me and not good at art but oh just i'm just looking at them now they're fantastic yeah i was i got all warm inside looking at them going, oh, look at the people have done. That's great. Yeah. So some of these people are being sent prizes of merchandise from our visit because we bought a bunch of rocking horses and we're giving away our certificates to prove we climbed to the top and we bought spoons and tea towels. The winners were not chosen on artistic merit. That wasn't the spirit of the competition it was just to be involved is that because none of the pictures reached that sort of minimum standard that you were hoping for it also gets hard when you're sort of having to say one thing's better than another but anyway

we are sending prizes to the following people the following patrons the following stakeholders scott from the us annie from the us ryan from the us blaine from the us tanya from the u.s annie from the u.s ryan from the u.s blaine from the u.s tanya from the uk mario in australia indipal in the uk andrew in australia bram in the netherlands dan in the u.s and bruce in the u.s you've all got stuff coming your way i'm not saying your artwork was better or worse than anyone else's you just got lucky you can't measure rocking horse art really can you you can't compare rocking horse art, really, can you? You can't compare them. No, no.

It's not right to put them in a horse race like that. No. They just all say something legitimately themselves. Some are pretty crap, obviously, but... Obviously. Thank you very much, everyone who took part. And again, link in the notes if you want to go and have a look at some of the pictures yourself.

It's well worth it. It's good fun. Some of you may have noticed Tim and I have been off air for a couple of weeks. We've both been on vacation, separate vacations. We didn't go together. And that got me thinking, Tim, about my podcast idea for today. Because remember when you'd go back to school after, like, you know, holidays, in primary school, one of the first things the teachers would do would be to

either make you do a talk or write something called What I Did In My Holidays. Yes, yes. I was thinking What I Did In My Holidays might be a good podcast idea. When people have been somewhere and done something, they just come back and talk about it. Particularly if it's not spectacular, you know what I mean? Like just, well, I went to the beach and they, well, let me say, adding some artistic to this as well. I mean, this seems to be a pretty easy first day back lesson for the teacher, right?

Like day one, I'll get them to do what they do on their holiday. Yeah. Day two, I'll get them now to write a story based on, you know, their holiday thing. A good teacher can stretch that out for a few days, really. Have you ever done that at your work, Tim? Have you ever gone into church on Sunday and not had a sermon prepared and just asked everyone to come up the front and talk about what they did

during the week? There is a bit of a clich um in in sort of preaching ministers amongst that sort of world where um if if the minister up the front from occasionally would say look i've prepared something but i just really feel that god's you know put on my heart to say this other thing like and everyone's just like yeah right, right. Is that what you do? Like, because you've already put what your topic's going to be, like in like the newsletter or something. So everyone's expecting one thing.

So you just like say, look, I'm not going to do what's in the notes today. That's right, yeah. But you really, you haven't prepared it. Yeah, like I've got, here's my, it's a bit like the, you know, I've got my formal talk presented there, but I'm going to tear that up and I'm going to just speak from the heart today. You know what I mean? It's like, it's going to, it has overtones of being more authentic and in the moment and all

that kind of stuff but there's for those in the game there's also that little asterisk of did you get around to preparing that or is that just like that's a bit yeah a bit tough so i'm just gonna riff off last night's episode of you know whatever i'll tell you what the youtube equivalent of that is tim for youtubers yeah that is if you're due to do a video but you haven't really got one you do a q a with the audience send me your questions and i'll answer your questions yeah so if you see if you see a youtuber doing a question and answer video that probably means they just haven't got a better idea. Right.

Right. Okay. Or something fell through or something. Yeah. Years ago, I found an exercise book from primary school years at mum's house when I was clearing things out. It had the first line of one of those stories. It just said, I have been to Bright. I remember it so distinctly.

Bright being a little lovely sort of town in the mountains in Victoria. We went there on a holiday. So, I have been to Bright. I remember it so distinctly, Bright being a little lovely sort of town in the mountains in Victoria. We went there on a holiday. So I have been to Bright. And then there was nothing else in the whole exercise book, but I distinctly remember writing the rest of it, so I must have started it somewhere else. But whenever I drive through Bright or when we go to Bright,

I always say to myself that little line, I have been to Bright. It's like burning my brain from like grade four. So let's come to what we did in our holidays, because I feel like the two holidays you and I have had have some similarities. We both went to volcanoes. We both went to places with blue water. That's about it, really. We both went with our wives

I bought spoons on mine Did you buy spoons on yours? I couldn't find a spoon Every shop I went into It was like your trip to Edinburgh No spoons I had some trouble at first too But I came through in the end

In fact I've got three spoons So I've got enough for both of us Right, good So where did you go Tim? I went to Mount Gambier. With COVID and all sorts of stuff, there are boundaries locking the states, and it was all very uncertain. So we went to this town, which is inside South Australia,

but I'd never actually been to. What? It's sort of a bit off the main highway when you're driving to Melbourne. So I'd been near it many times but finally went to it. And it's this beautiful southeastern corner where it's green and lush, particularly this time of year when it's winter in Australia. And it does. It has this beautiful big lake.

It's called Mount Gambier. But I'll tell you, it's not a mountain, that's for sure. It just feels like lots and lots of paddocks and then a little what's not little a medium-sized country town we stayed there in like a b&b uh which is like a bed and breakfast kind of accommodation on the back of someone's farm a nice cabin um yeah we chose that actually because it's pet friendly and we wanted to take brooklyn so it's one of these unique places where they're happy for you to have the dog in inside and have your pets with you and all that kind of stuff. And that was great. Yeah, it was lovely. I love Mount Gambier. I went on so many holidays

there when I was a kid. Some of my fondest or some of my fondest and earliest holiday memories are trips to Mount Gambier. For those who don't know Mount Gambier, there is like, it is a dormant volcano, isn't it i believe it's sort of a crater that kind of overlooks the town although it's not particularly high it's a dormant volcanic crater full of water and the water most days but not every day goes this brilliant blue color because of sort of the uh you know chemicals and particles in the water reflects in a nice way and you it's called the Blue Lake. It's the famous thing in Mount Gambier, the Blue Lake inside the crater.

Yeah. Lots of nice caves around Mount Gambier too. Great, lovely place to go. Can't believe you've never been there before. And it's between Adelaide and Melbourne, a drive you must have done so many times. We were certainly dormant when we were there. It appeared dormant.

We went into some beautiful caves as well. Yeah, yeah. I'm sure you'll know the technical term for that buildup of sort of like a tall, massive shark's tooth-like sandcastle growth thing from the bottom, and then they come down from the roof as well, you know, like big spikes. Yes, they're called stalactites and stalagmites. That's it. Very good.

Yes. And I remember the guy saying that. Do you know how you remember which is which? No. Stalactite because it has to hold on tight to the roof. They're the ones coming down from the roof. Right. And stalagmite, and you think of them as,

I might reach the roof one day if I keep growing. Well, it sounds like you learnt them at a very early age, man. Yeah. That's gross. I still remember, though. Well, they were beautiful, really beautiful in one particular cave. And, yeah, we had a lovely time. We walked, did a big walk around the lake, and the lake is beautiful.

It's very picturesque, and it is blue. Yeah. And there are other lakes nearby as well, which I didn't realise. Not quite as large as that one, but there are other. Yeah, Lake Legamutton? I don't remember its name. Lake Legamutton's the one right next to it, because I remember asking my mum what Legamutton was when I was a kid,

because I didn't know what it meant. Yeah. Well, it sounds like we should have taken your parents with us um to explain or me give us or you with with all your little memorized lessons for navigating mount gambier i would have driven your kids crazy with boring scientific information yeah i did i mean i did drive my kids crazy but not with boring scientific information. Is it true you came home a day early? We did. Yeah. Yeah. What happened? Well, we just we were done with Mount Gambier. We had a lovely time. We expected to stay a week and we came home one day less than a week.

We were like, you know what, let's go. And, yeah, we were just ready to go. You know when that reached that point in the holiday where you go, no, I think I'm ready to go home now. And my wife said that and I agreed and the kids didn't vehemently disagree. So we headed home. All right. Will you do the wonderful, ah, nice to be back.

Oh, yes. And then you look around your house and you go, why do we ever go away? This is lovely. Even though a week earlier, like, let's get out of here. So what would you give Mount Gambier out of 10 as a holiday destination? As a holiday destination, it's about a, no, look, it's a six and a seven. Look, it's about a, no, look, it's a six and a seven. It's, look, it's a lovely, it's a lovely place. It was lovely for what we wanted, which is just to sort of get away and be quiet.

After a year and a half of, you know, COVID, I haven't left the state for a year and a half because of COVID and all that stuff. So I'm feeling a bit claustrophobic just to even get out of Adelaide. And so it was nice to go on a drive nice long drive uh nice to go somewhere nice i i yeah got a haircut and we had some lovely meals and we walked up and down it's weird that you got a haircut on holiday yeah it was it was a bit of like i was i was getting annoyed with my hair and i was like oh this is betraying my normal hairdresser back in adelaide but But it felt like, oh, I'm going to go get a haircut. It was like a holiday romance. Well, I did feel very unfaithful.

And then you have to start over with all the small talk again with this hairdresser. And it's like, oh, I don't really want to invest heavily in this because I want to be nice and connect and ask lots of questions but then you leave knowing yep well there's no see you next time it's that's it and I just felt shameful and guilty driving away um although I look great did you have to show that hairdresser the same picture of Morrissey that you showed your other hairdresser how you wanted your hair. No, I didn't pull it out just for the once. I just said, no, look, just, you know, do it like it is now, but a bit shorter, particularly around the ears that were tickling. Okay.

Oh, you don't want tickly ears. Yeah, fair enough. Just on the hair thing, though, I'll tell you what I did do. I didn't shave for the whole time I was on holiday. So I've got a little bit of a Brady beard going at the moment. A Brady beard? Yeah, yeah. Well, you've got a beard and your name is Brady and it's about the same length, although it's not as nice. And, you know, obviously it's not as ginger as yours. Yours looks pretty nice and refined. I think mine's looking a bit crappy. Everyone, every time I ask the family,

Hey guys, what do you think about the beard? How's it going? Um, there's, you know, mirth is heaped upon me. And then I go, no, seriously now, you think about the beard? How's it going? There's, you know, mirth is heaped upon me. And then I go, no, seriously now, should I keep the beard? And it generally gets a positive, oh, yeah, no, no. Have you done your first service back at church yet? Are you going to wear it for the congregation? No, well, see, that's the thing. Last day of holidays today when we're recording

and then I'm back at work in the office tomorrow. So maybe I'll test it out with my staff and hopefully they'll tell me the truth and then we'll see how it goes throughout the week leading up to Sunday. Well, your boss is famous for a beard, so it's not like you can get in trouble for having a beard. That's right. This was the last bit of the puzzle to make me more like Jesus. It's like if only he had a beard.

Anyway, enough about we've rung a lot out of Mount Gambier. You went somewhere really quite spectacular. I went to a 10 out of 10, man. A 10 out of 10. Yeah. I went to Iceland, which I've always wanted to go to and hadn't been to before. And it was a bit of a last minute decision to go there as well, because again, because of COVID, there's so many travel restrictions, but the UK has put Iceland on the so-called green list, meaning you could go and have a holiday there and not have a whole heap of restrictions when you came back, like quarantine and stuff. So, it was a bit of a no-brainer to go there. And I tell you what, I can't believe I took so long to go there because it's bloody amazing. Yeah.

What a country. What a place to go for a holiday. It's such amazing. Yeah. What a country. What a place to go for a holiday. It's such a great time. And look, I've done a whole blog post about it full of photos and videos and stuff like that. So, if you want the internet equivalent of Brady's slideshow of his holiday, I'll put a link in the notes and you can go and sit through lots and lots of tedious pictures and explanations and lots of sciencey stuff and all sorts. But I'll run through a few highlights with you, Tim, because, you know, you're going to have to put up with something. Yeah, because I'm strapped to the chair here. Exactly. And I think the absolute highlight for me was, again, volcano related, because obviously Iceland is famous as

this land of volcanoes. It had that big eruption years ago, didn't it, where all the planes in the world got grounded because of all the ash in the atmosphere from this Icelandic volcano. Yes. And just before we went, there's been another eruption. This one's very close to Reykjavik, the capital. It's the first eruption, I think, in hundreds of years that's actually on the peninsula that Reykjavik is on.

You can even see it from Reykjavik sometimes. So, we knew this volcano was erupting. It wasn't switched on every day, but some days there was lava coming out of it and some days there wasn't. So, we were pretty excited at the prospect of seeing lava because I've never seen lava before. And, you know, as a boy, you always want to see lava, don't you? That's like a-

Oh, yeah, yeah. It's like, you know, it's a dream. In the wild. Yeah, exactly. Because it That's like a... Oh, yeah, yeah. It's like, you know, it's a dream. In the wild. Yeah, exactly. Because it looks like it'd be so fun to play with. Don't you reckon? It looks like, oh, that looks a little bit like a chocolate cake before it's cooked. And it looks like you can sort of really build with it and mush around with it and all sorts of stuff.

Oh, dear. I don't believe they let you be a parent, man. That's crazy. Anyway. This is a warning to the kids out there. Don't play with lava. Don't play with lava. It's a warning.

Put a warning at the start of the episode. So, we went to this mountain where the eruption was happening. And you did this walk up to the viewpoint where you could see the cone, right, where the lava's coming out. And the walk took about an hour or so. And on the way, you could see all the dried black lava that had been flowing down the valleys from it, which was pretty exciting. And you could walk down onto the black stuff, you know,

the new rock. That felt really funny and you could break off a piece and stuff. It was really cool. But when we got to the lookout, it was double bad news for us. One, there was really low cloud so you couldn't even see the cone and two it wasn't actually erupting at that particular time at that on that day there wasn't lava spewing out out the top and we were like oh that's disappointing so we left and did like the rest of our holiday which which was incredible, walking on glaciers, waterfalls,

incredibly beautiful. But the whole time I was also keeping an eye on all this data coming from the volcano and these live webcams they had on the camera. And on our penultimate day in Iceland, our guide came to pick us up and he said, the volcano is erupting today, apparently. And then I went onto the webcam and lo and behold, for the first time, I was seeing all this lava like exploding at the top of the cone. I was like, oh, that's incredible. And he said, why don't we go tomorrow morning before you go to the airport? And I'm like, oh, what if it stops though? I want to go today in case we don't get to see it. It was a few hours away, but we had all this other stuff we hadn't seen yet we were supposed to do, like really cool stuff. So, he said, look, trust me, it's going to be erupting for a day or two why don't we go tonight after you've seen all the other stuff i was a bit edgy

about this but i was like all right and we went and did the we went to these other places and saw this other stuff and i'm really glad we did because it was it was amazing included like walking on a glacier which was like one of the incredible experiences of my life, putting on the crampons and walking all over this glacier. It was remarkable. But then at the end of the day, it doesn't get dark in Iceland at the moment, by the way, so you don't have to worry about that. At the end of the day, he says, all right, what do you want to do? Do you want to go to the volcano or do you want to go tomorrow morning before you go to the airport? And I said, we're going now.

Or do you want to go to Pizza Hut? Yeah, get some KFC. So we did this two to three hour drive to the volcano, walked up the mountain again, got to the viewpoint. This time there was no cloud. And there she was. It would be quiet for about 10 minutes. And then after 10 minutes, for about five minutes,

all this lava would just slosh around and explode out the top and go splashing everywhere. It was incredible. And you could just sit there watching it. And, like, the whole place smelled like sulphur. It smelled like hell, you know. It smelled like brimstone. And you'd just sit there waiting, waiting,

and then suddenly the orange glow would come, and then it would all start. And it sounded like, the best thing about it was the sound. It sounded like a rough ocean smashing against rocks, except it was lava smashing against the side of the volcano and all splashing over the top. So this was safe though? Like how is this?

Yes, you were quite a distance away. You were in fact disappointingly far away. But it's not like when the guy comes to you and says, oh, look, the volcano's erupting. It's not like he was announcing, so run for your lives. He was like, you went, woo. And he's like, no, no, no, no. We need to leave immediately. No, it's like going and I'm trying to think of what it's like.

It's like watching like, you know, a geyser or something, you know, you don't, which also there were lots of great geezers in Iceland too. Pictures and videos all over my webpage. People go and have a look. But no, you were like, you were, I mean, you were probably a mile away. Oh, okay. Yep. Yeah.

There were helicopters coming and dropping people a bit closer on this little safe spot as well. That was probably half a mile away. But the funny thing was the main car park, the first car park you saw, the main car park at the bottom of the mountain where everyone parked and then would walk for three hours. The view you got was miles away. But our guide was saying, what the hell is everyone parking there for?

I don't get it. It's just all the dumb tourists. And he drove us to this other smaller car park where there was only a one hour walk and you're way closer to the volcano. so a bit of local knowledge helped out there but it was good we got to see lava got to see so much stuff man the thing about i'll tell you what's cool about iceland yeah it's one it's the first place i've been where you get that real feeling that like the earth is alive and changing and new stuff is being made new land is being made new rock is being made and you see like the moss growing over the lava that erupted 10 or 15 years

ago as the green takes over from the black and and the whole just the whole earth seemed really alive and active there because it's a place where two tectonic plates meet so it's a real living part of the earth. But it just like, it was just amazing. It was just dramatic. You felt differently about the earth going there. You feel that's a, that's a, that's a, a marvellous realisation. Your photos are spectacular.

They are beautiful. I mean, you look beautiful, but the nature itself does look equally beautiful. Really lovely. I did manage to obtain some spoons. Oh, yes. Again, it wasn't easy, but I've got three spoons to add to our Spoon of the Week canon. So just let me play the Spoon of the Week jingle for a second. Spoon of the Week.

There'll be more Spoon of the Week later. So the three spoons I'm sending you, Tim, one is from a famous church in Reykjavik. It's the real landmark of Reykjavik. It's an amazing looking church. One's just like a coat of arms for Reykjavik. And the other one's a place called Gylfoss, which is probably the most famous waterfalls in Iceland.

Iceland has amazing waterfalls. Oh, these are nice. These are real beauties. Yeah, lovely. Anyway, we'll include some pictures in the notes and I'll send them to you in the post, Tim. You didn't see Björk? Didn't see Björk, although our guide knew her.

He used to run a restaurant that was one of her favourite restaurants. I'll tell you what probably one of my favourite moments of the trip was, though. We went to this famous, famous tourist trap there, which is a pretty amazing place called the Blue Lagoon with this incredible blue water, hot blue steaming water that the tourists will get in. And you put face masks on and stuff like that. And we gave you a live video call from the Blue Lagoon. Oh, that was awesome. Yes. While we were in the water.

That was great fun. That was awesome. Yes. While we were in the water. That was great fun. That was great. We were just getting ready for bed and then suddenly a FaceTime call comes in from you and these two people with face masks on. That was fantastic. That was gorgeous. Yeah. That was good fun.

We also, we called some other family members. It was fun seeing everyone's reactions to the Blue Lagoon and the face masks. Is that as far north as you've gone iceland no it wasn't actually because although uh we weren't quite inside the arctic circle and i have been inside the arctic circle when i went to sweden so i've been further north in sweden okay parts of sweden go further north than iceland that's interesting because we went to the very north of Sweden when we went to the Ice Hotel. Ah, yes, yes, yes. We were able to get a lot closer to our volcano. And not close enough to touch the water, like you weren't able to touch the lava.

But still, it was lovely to go right to the edge. Did you do the thing at the Blue Lake where you get in, get in, like, that lift or something and go down to the water level? What? A lift? At the Blue Lake, you can go down and do the tour and you go down to water level. No, there was nothing open like that. No. That sounds like fun.

Like a lift, really? Yeah, because the Blue Lake is the source of drinking water in Mount Gambier, isn't it? Oh, yeah, there's a pumping station. Yeah, and and you can go and if you do the pumping station tour you go down to water level no that was all closed maybe because of covid or not but that was closed yeah yeah or maybe you just told the girls it was closed because you were bored and wanted to go and listen to some nick cave albums i'm going to get a haircut and listen to some music, guys. There's a lift that takes us into the volcano, Dad. Nah, nah.

I wouldn't. All right. Cool. No, I know where that would be. It was behind serious gates that you sort of drive past to get to other places as well. But, yeah, no, that was all closed. I don't know why. It's the school as well. But yeah, no, that was all closed. I don't know why. It's the school holidays and everything. But anyway, it was.

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Oh, it feels good to be back in the saddle with Spoon of the Week, I must say. I've got all my spoons up at home, as you know, on the rack, and I've got all the cards in behind the spoons as well. So I'm feeling very, as I came home, like one time on the holiday, one of my daughters said, Dad, are you missing your spoons? And I had to sort of admit, yes, I was missing them a little bit. So it was nice to come home to the spoons that's why you came home a day early i could hear them calling to me yes what spoon are you adding to the collection today tim from the from the hein family vault

well this is the newest member of the collection and And I have to explain because, you know, this special group that I work from, the proper canon, are those from my parents' collection. Well, this was handed to me from mum the other day because she just happened to find it around the house. And so she came and gave it to me and it's really quite beautiful it's bright silver and it's from israel it's an israel so it's basically up the bit where the shield goes it's got the flag um the israeli flag on there then it has quite a bit of ornamental sort of

stuff going on there's sort of like a teddy bear shape above it uh and then down the side there's conventional shield sort of styling and um then it comes down to the scoopy bit which is neither square nor round it's a bit of both um it's kind of shovely it's a bit like a snow shovel yeah very good shovely is the technical that's a very good way to describe it, yeah. The shovel-y bit. Very effective. I think this, of the spoons that were featured, I think this has the potential to actually scoop more sugar than any of the others. I think it's actually, it's quite deep.

Very effective. Very effective with the sugar, I think. Do you like a lot of sugar in your drinks? I actually have no sugar in my drinks, no well what's what's the point of that then well it's but if i did if you know if there was you know this was what i would reach for i do where do i put sugar on i very rarely have cereal these days but if i do i do like to put sugar on that on some cornflakes that's nice oh do you put sugar in your Milo? I probably prefer it, but I don't. I feel like I should get away without the sugar.

So, as an act of self-denial, I don't. But truth be told, I would prefer to have it. What about you? Do you? Yeah, I like a sugar. It's better with a sugar. Sometimes I don't and I feel like that is like, yeah, an act of great self-discipline,

although usually I'll then put an extra spoon for the Milo in, which is pretty much pure sugar anyway. That's right. It's like putting sugar on Froot Loops. It's this thing. So, Tim, I don't know how many of our listeners are in Israel, but I do know how many of our stakeholders, how many Patreon supporters are from Israel, because I have that data.

Oh, yeah. How many Israeli stakeholders do you think we have? The number that comes to me is five. Nine. Nine. Wow. Nine. Well, there you go.

This looks very new, but it was actually, it came into the Hein collection via some friends about 30 or 40, probably 40 years ago, sometime in the early 80s. Friends from our church back then went to Israel and brought it back and gave it. Actually, they're Pop. These people who were friends of my parents, they had a parent, and his name was Pop, and he lived around the corner.

And because I never really knew my grandfathers at all, they both had died, he was the closest thing I had to a grandfather, and I called him Pop, and he lived around the corner, and he did everything that a good grandfather does you know and yeah so this is a bit of a memento from from pop as well what does a good grandfather do tim well you know he's buys you a gift for your birthday comes around for dinner talks to you and doesn't talk down to you. I used to ride my BMX around to his place and, you know, he'd say hello and I used to mow his lawn, but then he'd show me how to do other things. He owned a Toyota Crown long before my father got a Toyota Crown.

So he was, you know, the first Toyota Crown I got. That's true grandfather activity right there. It is. That is the ultimate old man car. That's just reinforcing the stereotype. About once a month, we used to go out with him to a Chinese restaurant in Tarelgan, which is very classy for Tarelgan, called The Jade Room. And it's the same restaurant where my parents had had their wedding reception like a decade

before. But I remember every month we'd go out to this Chinese restaurant with Pop. He would sort of take us out. So, yeah, just sitting in this particular Chinese restaurant on like a Thursday night with Pop. That was a, you know, that's just a memory that I treasure. So, lovely. So, there we go. Is the Jade Room still going in Turruggan?

No, I don't think it is. I think last time I drove past it was like a gym or something like that. There's a place called Oriental Jade in Tarragon. Let me have a look where it is. It's down near the ice creamery and the penny parlour. Dine-in takeaway, Oriental Jade. It looks more like a takeaway. Oh, no.

Oriental Jade. No, that looks like a... Yeah, no, that that's are they just cashing in on the good name and reputation of the jade room i think they are i think because because looking at a picture of the inside that would be a pretty uh pretty low-key wedding reception oriental jade good food gippsland yeah this is pretty this is this is a long way from uh okay from what the the glory that was the jade room um back in the day oh hang on like i'm

looking through images trying to see if there's something from back in the day but no no those were the glory days oh that looks like they do some good honey prawns. Oh, hello. There's some very nice looking honey prawns. Let me just see on the map where it is. Do you know what? It's just up the road from the original, though. Wow. There might be some link.

If you come down the Princess Highway past the KFC, I don't know why you'd go past the KFC, but past Trelgan toyota where my uncle was the manager and uh you drive down and it's very close to kfc trailgun yeah yeah it is yep yep you'd be quite torn if you were standing in the middle there as to whether which way to go which one to go to first you mean first that's That's right. Oh, wow. More research to be done. But in the meantime, that Israel spoon makes its way into the official collection.

Thank you for sharing, Tim. Also, we have an unmade podcast official spoon. We give away one to a stakeholder every episode. And this week, the spoon goes to Leo from France. week the spoon goes to leo from france we also are giving away to stakeholders spoon of the week collector cards and i will be posting some collector cards to the following people thomas g jim h siddharth tim f rosie beth and here is a freak occurrence tim because i was doing the random draw the next lot of cards goes to Noah from Canada well done Noah the next name out of the hat was Mike B from the US and Mike has the

same surname as Noah but they're not related I don't think they're related one's in Canada one's in the US and I thought oh that's a nice coincidence coincidences appeal to me and then you know what the next name to come out of the hat was it was the same mike again he got he got twice in the same drawer his name came out of the hat and i and you know that's just fate wow that's just the way it goes you can win twice so mike b from the us has won twice in the same uh drawer so he's going to get a double helping of cards and then the last name to come out was luke s from australia all those people you've got cards coming your way in the post if you'd like to support us on patreon we are so grateful and we make sure there's lots of bonus stuff for

you go to patreon.com slash unmade fm if you don't want to support us on patreon that's absolutely fine too we are super appreciative of everyone who listens can i just check one more potential coincidence did you say one of the winners was rosie beth no rosie is from britain and beth is from the us they're two different people oh right okay well the potential coincidence is that rosie Rosie Beth was the nickname for the car that we just sold a few months ago. Ah, wow. So there you go. Because the colour was sort of rosy and then the number plate was BTH. So Rosie Beth was her nickname.

When you have daughters, everything gets a nickname. Everything gets named. Right. Inanimate objects all over the house and everything. But particularly cars, which traditionally have nicknames anyway, but Rosie Beth. Have they given your beard a nickname yet? No, no, they haven't yet.

Well, not that I'm aware of. Maybe it has. So let's have an idea from one of our Patreon supporters. That's another little perk of patronage. And this one comes from someone called Jordan. Jordan said, hello, Brady and Tim. My name's Jordan. I'm a writer and an adjunct professor of English composition.

Now, this was written around the time of my birthday. So Jordan says, firstly, happy birthday, Brady. The Unmade podcast has been the subject of many conversations and laughs with my siblings over the years. My brother and I have been fans since the beginning, and we got our sister hooked on it after the first Tommy Ball special. I love listening to it on my morning drives to work when teaching during the school year, or more recently on a family road trip. Secondly, we share a birthday, Brady. I was also born on June 18, and this leads to my podcast idea.

I don't have a great name for it, so I was hoping Tim might be able to help out. My idea is to have a podcast all about birthday buddies or birthday twins, people who share the same birthday. This could be a fun way to bring about conversations between strangers who talk about favourite holidays, gifts, parties, or even their birth itself. Although this might need to call on their mums for that part. Thirdly, I realised I might just be a couple of degrees of separation from Tim. I live in Riverside, California and have worked with the C.S. Lewis Foundation based in Redlands, California, which owns the kilns in Oxford, which is C.S. Lewis Foundation based in Redlands, California, which owns the kilns in

Oxford, which is C.S. Lewis's old house. So I might know Tim's mystery tour guide from that exceedingly fortunate day. Anyway, I hope you have a happy birthday, Brady, and that Tim finds you a magnificent gift. In hindsight, we now know that he didn't. Your birthday buddy, Jordan. P.S. Here's a picture of my grandma's spoon collection. I don't think she will part with any of them, but I now see them with a new appreciation because of spoon of the week. And Jordan obviously included a picture of his grandmother's quite magnificent collection of spoons, I must say. Thank you very much, Jordan, and good, good idea idea For a podcast I like that a lot

In fact I think we once talked about Shared birthdays Tim But I don't remember if that wasn't an early episode Where we mucked up our recording And I never published it I think we have we've talked about people Famous people that have had birthdays on the same day as us Yeah

My best is Paul McCartney Who was your best again? can't remember who's your best i think i had i had jimmy barnes who's a singer in australia um yeah and i had kim gordon who's the bass player in the band sonic youth i'm quite happy with that one um you must have more famous people than that there are very yeah there are people around town that I know personally and we share a birthday and there are always every now and then like a little text message or something, you know, where you just remember this and that.

I don't have my birthday on Facebook or anything, but you just sort of, you're prompted and every now and then one of us or the others of us would just send a message. You go, oh, that's right. Oh, yeah, I always forget. And I think I said whenever I forget when your birthday is, I just look up the one of the most famous. It's terrible.

One of the most famous like sort of murder massacres in world history, let alone Australian history, happened on Tim's birthday. So if I ever need to double check your birthday, I actually just look up the date that that happened. Yeah, yeah. Well, hang on a sec. That's right. Saddam Hussein. Oh, that's right saddam hussein is oh that's right

that's your birthday's terrible tim it's a real it's a real black day isn't it yeah day of infamy penelope cruz i'll take penelope cruz over um saddam hussein but that's a better option overall i would say. Yes, yes, well done. Cool. And, yeah, great message from Jordan. Thank you very much. Thanks, Jordan. Yeah.

I should clarify the exceedingly fortunate tour guide was not employed by the kilns or anyone associated with the kilns. He made it very clear that he was a solo operator. In fact, he was – I had to push, and people can listen to this story on another episode, earlier episode. I was the one pushing to go inside the kilns, and he was, oh, no. He told you not to do it. He told you not to do it.

He was the opposite of your Iceland tour guide, who knew all the manoeuvres to get you to the best spot, whereas I sort of had to take control of my tour a little bit. You were like 20 minutes into the tour when you realised he didn't actually know who C.S. Lewis was. That's right. And this is where Lewis Carroll wrote, through the looking glass.

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Tim, have you got an idea for a podcast? I do, I do, yes. I thought you'd never ask. I thought I'd never ask too, but I thought I'd better. I see you've jammed in as many things as possible before delaying the inevitable. I was hoping you'd forget. Damn it.

We're not quite... It's like, all right, all right. What have you got for us? Well, let me introduce my idea by asking you a question. Do you have a nemesis? Oh. Maybe. Yeah.

Hmm? Yeah. Outside your marriage? Is there? I can think of a few people that might fall into that category. Not necessarily that I'd talk about on a podcast, but yeah. I like where you're going, though. Yeah, well, there's this idea that, you know, your nemesis kind of defines you in a way. You know, there's an old saying, choose your enemies wisely because they define you.

So I thought it would be interesting to have a podcast where people talk about their nemesis. That's great. Do you have a nemesis? Well, let me start off by saying Brooklyn, my dog, does. So down at the park, right? Like Brooklyn is mostly white and there's a black schnauzer, right? And he's Brooklyn's nemesis. So he gets on with every dog in the park except for this evil schnauzer.

So he's been built up so much that whenever they sort of, you know, meet, we have to seriously avoid and we have sort of a bit of a frantic you know you know sympathetic look with the owner because we just know our dogs just don't get on right they're like the north and south what will they do will they fight or bark or they do they fight and brooklyn gets really scared like even though these schnauzers are smaller much smaller than brooklyn he gets very scared and runs behind us and stuff, and we have to keep them away. And then we've realised, though, that the Schnauzer lives in a townhouse

that we pass on the way to the park. So every time we – once we realised that, because one day we were coming past and he came bursting out. They'd just arrived home, and he came bursting out and gave Brooklyn the fright of his life. And that's when he took on his full nemesis mantle, really, we think that day. Right. Because Brooklyn, when we will walk past now, he walks like he looks into the house and

like walks quickly past like he is. Oh, I love it. Do you know the dog's name? No, no, we don't. Oh, you need to find that out. We should put warning signs up, but yeah. We like to think that Brooklyn has nightmares about this black schnauzer, his nemesis down at the park.

I love it. That's a great idea. I do particularly like the idea of those more kind of like low-key nemesis, like someone in your street or something or someone who's like, you know. Because I think you do have, like you have little ones at work as well like yeah people that you just don't naturally get along with that you just you know what i mean that they're a tough person to like or love or something and you might have a disagreement early on in a meeting somewhere and so forever there's this little sense of do you know what i mean like competition or something

going on which you can sort of play up. Yeah, or like someone at the gym or something like that. Like I remember, yeah, my wife was telling me some story where she goes to the gym all the time and she did like she broke some record at the gym on one of the machines, like the rowing machine or something like that, and she's not very competitive and she didn't even know she'd broken the record and her trainer was like, oh, my goodness, that's like the fastest time any woman's ever done on the rowing machine over one minute or something. Like they were having a

weekly competition who can do the fastest, you know, minute on the rowing machine or something like that. And she just happened to break it. And she was like, oh wow, that's great. I never would have thought it and didn't think anything more of it and just got along with the rest of her workout. And then towards the end of her session, some other woman from the gym came and tapped her on the shoulder and said, I just want you to know that I just broke your record. She was like, what? Like, what? My wife just said, oh, that's great. Well done.

You must be really good at the rowing machine and just like didn't think anything of it. But clearly this woman had built up some whole nemesis thing when she saw this record get broken in front of her and had to break it again yeah yeah yeah i remember one time my cousin was doing a um like not quite a triathlon but like a triathlon training thing you know like just a more relaxed sort of fun thing in the lead up while he was training but with a group of people strangers and so forth and i i was dropping him off for it then going and having a coffee and then coming and picking him up for it later on and i picked him up and he was saying that while he was going along like they got to the end of it and he was tired and and he was you know drying off and getting changed and one guy goes oh we had a little competition going on there, didn't we? That was quite good. And my cousin looked at him and went, well, who are you?

And the guy sort of said, well, I was alongside you. This guy had sort of been sparring with him for kilometres, you know, all the way through. And my cousin was blissfully unaware of this guy who had just decided to, you know, take him on as the sparring partner. I'm a bit that way, though. I have some sympathy with that guy because I have one of those like Peloton exercise bikes. Oh, yeah. And sometimes when I'm riding, you can look at other people and there'll be someone who's like ahead of me.

They have all these statistics and things like there's like a leaderboard based on like your power and your output. And sometimes when I'm riding, to keep myself motivated and to push myself, otherwise I'll just be lazy. I'll look at someone on the leaderboard who I want to catch and overtake. And that person will just become like the sort of the embodiment of everything for me for those few minutes. And it will be, you know, Sandy, the yummy mummy from Minnesota or something like that. Like someone who doesn't even know I exist.

And I'm just like, I'm going to get you, Sandy. I'm going to get you if it's the last thing I do. And I'm like sweating and trying so hard to catch this poor, innocent, sweet mummy who's just cycling away somewhere in America. Like I can just imagine saying to them afterwards, I showed you, didn't I? And she's like, what? You've triumphed over, flown over and found her,

tracked her down just to turn up at the door and go, I'm slinging, I've broken your record. I think people talking about their nemesis would be a great podcast idea, Tim. Going public with your nemesis, like just exposing them and is precarious indeed. It might have to be very much looking at the past, like when I was young, this was my nemesis and, you know, that kind of thing. Yes, that's a better idea. That's a better idea. I remember playing cricket. When I used to play cricket, club cricket, when I was in Australia, we would play each week. And if you got over a certain number of runs or wickets

your name would go in the newspaper along with the scores so like there's a tiny section of the newspaper where you would just see the results of the games and the team scores but individuals who'd performed very well would have their names there so it would be like you know Brighton 300 runs defeated Paraka 280 runs and then in brackets next to it would be you know Tim Hine scored 53 and Jeff Smith took four wickets or something like that next to it like the great performers so we each week we would look at our results and we would look at the results of the other games so there were certain names that would come up all the time of the top players in the league so you would just know this name it would just just be like, Hein, who is this Hein guy

that keeps doing really well every week for Paraka Cricket Club? So when you finally played that team one Saturday, that player was like this mystical nemesis figure that you kind of were waiting to see what they looked like and who they were and how they played because you'd just seen their name week after week. Yeah, right. All through my cricket playing years, I had all these nemesis players who i never met until you played them one day in a in

a big game that was really fun when you finally got to see what they looked like and who they were and they suddenly became just a normal kid like me instead of you know just smith oh yeah that yeah yeah i know yeah i know what you mean. From childhood football, the same thing, seeing names and legends going around about people and seeing them up close. It's like, oh, wow. I see them on social media a little bit. You have mutual friends and when one person asserts something and the other one goes, oh, well, you would say that, wouldn't you? What about this? Or something, you can see them play off against each other, which reveals something to me that your nemesis is actually a person

that you have an enormous amount in common with because they're not sort of the opposite of you, totally different. They're often someone who's in the same world. Like, you know, they're playing cricket as well, for instance, and they're the same age and they're, you know, the same part of the world. And you actually have a lot of common with, but then one important slight difference that just, it's the things you have in common that are the most interesting.

I didn't know this, but in ancient Greek religion, nemesis is the goddess who enacts retribution against those who succumb to hubris, arrogance before the gods. Oh, yeah, there's that saying, hubris invites nemesis. Good idea. Good idea. My nemesis. There we go Good idea. My nemesis. There we go.

I like it. I like it. Choose your nemesis wisely, for they will define you. I'd never heard that saying. It's very interesting and very true. And that makes me, in the last couple of years, I've been on a real quest to not let things define me. I think that's a real important lesson in life. Don't let any one or two things define you.

It's quite a dangerous thing to do. And I'd never thought about it in terms of nemesis and rivalries and that. So I actually find that surprisingly good advice. I think I'm going to leave today's podcast with some good advice. What do you mean? Explain more about not wanting things to define you. Like I wouldn't want to just be known as the guy from the Unmade podcast or the guy who makes Numberphile.

Or, like, I think it's bad to ever let one thing you do, you know, and quite often it's the most successful thing you do that will define you. Oh, who's Brady? Oh, he's the guy that makes those Numberphile videos. I don't like that. I don't want to be defined by one thing. That's putting all your eggs in one basket in a way as well, you know. So I like to, you know, I like to be quite a diverse person.

And your nemesis and your rivalries is another thing that can define you too much. I think it's very unhealthy to let one thing define you. Are you talking more about your, like, the perception being known for something? Or are you talking about even in your own mind? Both. Like getting out of a groove. Absolutely both. How people perceive you, but also how you define yourself it's very dangerous to define yourself

by that one thing i avoid it i've tried very hard to avoid it because when that one thing fails or or fades it starts to look very it's very limiting very desperate yes that that not just because of that but partly because of that, yeah. It's also just not healthy. No, to build your own identity on something. Not that the Unmade podcast will ever fade, obviously. It's moving from glory to glory. I was going to say, not that it's successful.

It may fade when we go carbon neutral. Or cold plate neutral. Cold plate neutral. So, we need to stop recording soon, Tim, because I am absolutely roasting in my office. I'm sweating like a pig, despite the fact I'm only wearing a pair of shorts. Yeah. It is an absolute heat wave here in the uk at the moment we actually bought a little paddling swimming pool yesterday that we've set up in the backyard just to like dunk ourselves in and um that does give me an idea for a podcast though things to do on a really hot day what's your

favorite thing to do on a really hot day kfc no i like um on a really hot day, look, probably a cool shower and then an air conditioner and then just watching a film or reading a book. I like sitting still inside. I mean, there are fun things like going for a swim or going to the beach, that kind of thing. I mean, there's UK heat and then there's Adelaide heat, right? Like I know you're in a heat wave and what is it there? Like 30 degrees celsius yeah yeah so adelaide as you

may recall you know in summer gets around 40 degrees celsius and we'll sit there even 24 hours a day overnight for a week or so i mean it's just crazy so don't get me wrong right adelaide heat is crazy hotter than uk i'm not going to deny that. Like, it's, you know, it can actually force you to stay home. But it is at least a drier heat. It can get a bit muggy in the UK when it's hot. Oh, does it? Okay. I don't like that at all.

No, that tropical, not that the UK is tropical, but where there is a higher concentration of moisture in the air, it does feel everywhere you move, you sweat. Do you prefer hot weather or cold weather? I prefer, if there's going to be an extreme, I prefer cold weather. I love rugging up with jackets and jumpers and being inside and all that sort of stuff. Or even going for a walk in the rain, you know,

with an umbrella and the dog and stuff. That's much preferable to me. Do you, will you get different things from KFC on a hot day from a cold day? No, I'd get the same thing. Right, right. Just joking. There's not like KFC ice creams or shakes or something you'd get. No, no, no, just the same. No, no, just the same.

Yeah, yeah, exactly the same. Is everyone in the UK just talking about the weather all the time? Like, are they going around? Oh, they go. The minute the sun comes out and it gets hot in the UK, people just absolutely lose their minds. Everyone rips their clothes off, runs out into the sun, like, lies in the sun.

Whether it's their backyard or on the beach, they will lie in the sun until they are as red as a rose. Like, they get absolutely burned. They go crazy. Their shops go crazy. They buy, you know, buy ridiculous stuff that they're just going to use for that one hot day, like the paddling pole we bought yesterday. ridiculous stuff that they're just going to use for that one hot day like the paddling pool we bought yesterday um people people like uk people just lose all sense of like human decency and

dignity when it's warm it's ridiculous so you all get completely smashed on alcohol they just go all ibiza, do they? Oh, yeah. It's amazing. In six months' time, you'll come across that paddle pool in the cupboard when it's snowing outside at Christmas and you go, what the heck have we got this for? Why do we own this?

How is this potentially possibly ours? I've bought this air conditioner, right, because there was a little hot. Basically, hardly any houses in the uk have air conditioning and my office is at the top of our house and it's the hottest room in the house and it gets super hot so i thought i'm going to get myself a little air conditioner just for my office uh just to use on those hot days and i bought this thing which is a bit bigger than I would have liked, that I keep behind my desk. And it is so loud that I can't use it and work at the same time.

So I've hardly been using it on these hot days. Do you want to hear how loud it is? Yes. I'm going to turn on my little tiny air conditioning I have next to my desk. Here we go. I'm just walking around to it and that's quite far from the microphone hang on i can't hear it man with that plane going overhead at the moment it is i call it the jumbo jet. Is it one of those that you have to pour some water in the back of?

No, it doesn't do that. Not much, but it expels the hot air out of a pipe, so I've got to insert this pipe out the window, and that's ridiculous. Stupid purchase, but it does cool the room down occasionally. Right, yes. I've only ever been to the uk in summer around that time i've never been at the time when i know it's miserable and cold it's always just so delightful and sunny and beautiful and warm um so that's my kind of my entire experience of the uk is those moments all right then well thank you for your time oh that's a pleasure anytime