The Unmade Podcast - Special: Out of Ten

Episode Date: September 17, 2020

Tim and Brady give some marks out of ten - an idea suggested in episode 60. Use Backblaze to back up your precious files - Try the 15-day free trial via backblaze.com/unmade - http://backblaze.com/unmade Support us on Patreon for extra material and bonus stuff - https://www.patreon.com/unmadeFM Join the discussion of this episode on our subreddit - https://redd.it/iukk16 USEFUL LINKS Milo - https://milo.com.au Purple - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple Yellow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow ebay - https://www.ebay.com Tom Cruise in Top Gun - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa_z57UatDY Thursday - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thursday Australia's Parliament House - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_House,_Canberra Cast Away - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cast_Away Halley's Comet - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halley%27s_Comet Beverly Hills 90210 Graduation Episode - a snippet - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_bDvcWzdn0 KFC Chips - https://www.kfc.com.au/menu/sides Winter - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter Beaches - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beach The Schuyler Sisters - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bkqXVc_1go The Big Rocking Horse - https://thetoyfactory.com.au 23 - https://interestingengineering.com/weird-and-enchanting-facts-about-the-number-23 Bon Jovi - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bon_Jovi Jigsaw Puzzles - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jigsaw_puzzle Basketball - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basketball Hot Dogs - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_dog SPOILERS - the final table of ratings here - https://www.unmade.fm/out-of-ten

Okay, everyone, in the previous episode, there was an idea that came up marking things out of 10, marking everything out of 10. And Tim and I thought it would be fun to give it a bit of a bash to do it for real. So how are you feeling, Tim? You got your critical eye on? You're feeling analytical and ready to mark everything? Am I? Wow. I'm actually really grateful for this opportunity because since you brought up that idea, I've been judging everything, like everything around me. And it's getting exhausting.

All right. So, here's how it's going to work, people. I've come up with 10 things for us to mark. Tim doesn't know what they are, and Tim's come up with 10, and I don't know what his are. So we'll take it in turns naming a thing. We will both give it a mark out of 10. We will average the mark, and at the end, we'll have 20 items that we will have ranked. If you want to play along at home, get yourself a scrap of paper,

you can mark all these things as well. You probably will know most of them, I imagine. Some of them you might want to look up and then give them a mark if it's something you haven't heard of and other ones you might be stuck and just have to give it a five or a pass but feel free to play along and if you do tell us what your marks were like go onto the reddit or something and let us know uh all your scores it should be good fun can i just ask a question have you prejudged yours i've i have my No. No, neither have I. I'm hoping in the moment it becomes crystal clear.

I think there should be a couple of rules because I can see what the two biggest problems may be already in my head, though. One is changing your score later. I think we should ban that. I think once we move on to a new object, the one in the past is in the past. They're locked in. Okay. Just because, I don't

know, we need a rule on that. And secondly is definitions of the thing. I think quite often when someone says a thing, the other one's going to say, oh, what do you mean by that? I don't know what you mean. You just have to take it as you hear it. The originator of the thing can say what it is, say what they want. they can clarify if they want but otherwise you just have to take it as you hear it all right all right all right all right do you want me to go first with one of my objects so are you gonna you're gonna say your object and then give it a score or you want me to then venture a score and then you'll come in with your score what do you think i don't know i don't know uh i don't know if anyone who has to go first we'll just

we'll just take it as it comes. All right. All right. Bit of a test run. Yep. The first one that I would like to score out of 10 is Milo. Oh. And according to Wikipedia, Milo is a chocolate and malt powder typically mixed with hot water or milk or both to produce a beverage popular in Oceania, where we are, South America, Southeast Asia, and parts of Africa. It's produced by Nestle.

Milo was originally developed in Australia by Thomas Main in 1934. So this is kind of like the Australian equivalent of having a cocoa. Yeah. It's got a distinctive taste, though, doesn't it? It's a bit different to just sort of a hot chocolate or other cocos and things. It's not chocolatey. It's more malty, isn't it? Chocolate malty. Malty chocolate.

And like some people, I'm not pointing fingers, some people are known to just eat it by the spoonful out of the tin, which is not what it's made for, but it's delicious. Confessions is an entirely other podcast idea. Yeah. We may make it some stage or we may not. Just to give you a clue where I stand on this, when I'm still in quarantine in Adelaide in a hotel room

and one of the first things I did was order a tin of Milo. I've had a tin of Milo here with me the whole time. And how large is the tin? Oh, it's only like a normal medium tin. I'll tell you what I noticed straight away though, Tim. Milo is different in different parts of the world. I've been, I order Milo in Britain. It's not common in Britain to have it, but I order it in.

And I think the Milo I get in Britain is more kind of like the Asian Milo. And it is a finer powder. When you get your Milo in Australia, it is a bigger grain size, and I prefer Australian Milo considerably. So I'm going to be rating the Australian Milo today. All right. All right. Yeah, that's the one I'm used to as well.

Out of 10. I know. I mean, obviously, your mum is legendary for making you cups of Milo and me cups of Milo when I'm there. Especially you, yes. Especially me. Well, you were just used to them. For me, it was a real novelty being able to have them on call.

It was Uber Eats before it was time. Yeah. I don't drink a lot of Milo anymore. Very rarely. I'll have a decaf coffee or a cup cup of tea yeah or a proper coffee but i mean you know the sort of end of the day kind of milo sort of experience is not common for me i did recently make one though i was in the mood and i enjoyed it enormously and i thought to myself jeez i should have this more often this was marvelous so out of 10 putting in nails coloring

sorry coloring your nails nailing your colors to the mast is the particular statement. Colouring your nails. Colouring your nails. Sorry, I got distracted by what I'm doing here. I give Milo as a drink product a 7 out of 10. I've put that in the spreadsheet, Tim. Wow. No way, no way, no way, no way. It's in, it's locked in. I'm going to go higher than seven. Milo is special to me because not only is it my hot drink of choice, so I have like a loyalty that it also carries a lot of Australian nostalgia for me when i'm away from home like having a milo

in the evening it's just like a little piece of home and that gives it even more specialness in my book it's a real daily touchstone for me and i'm for that reason i'm going to give it an 8.5 oh wow yeah okay so we can do fractions okay that's helpful to know good all right yep so that is uh an average of 7.75 a score of 7.75 for milo which puts it top of the list so far which is not amazing because we've only had one object all right okay what do you got strong start okay i'm going to my my uh subject is the color purple that is amazing the the color or the film the color the color because my second thing was the color yellow literally it was my second one but i'm gonna have to cross that out now because we said we wouldn't double up too much well i have to call in one of my reserves said we wouldn't double up too much. Well.

I have to call in one of my reserves. All right, anyway. I have strong feelings about purple, so. Okay, no, you got in first. Well done. Firstly, the definition. Purple refers to any of the variety of colours with hue between red and blue. So purple is closely associated with violet.

In optics, purple and violet refer to colors that look similar but purples are mixtures of red light and blue or violet light and i really could go on into quite a bit of detail i will say one thing about purple as i've looked into it and done a bit of research it does seem to be a very esteemed colour associated with the aristocracy and with royalty. Royalty. Yeah, yeah. You know, even bishops in the various churches and so forth,

and particularly in Asia. I won't go into it too much because we all know that the quality of my ideas is directly related to how much research I do on them. But anyway. I always get shudders when Tim says, I've done a bit of research, yeah. Just stick with the gags, man. So, yeah, anyway, but come on, what's your opinion?

Do you have... I have no qualms with purple. I like it a lot. I think it's a really, it's one of the more fun colours. It's a fun word to say. Most of the times you see purple in use, it is something interesting, like it's something royal or it's something cool. I listened to a whole radio documentary about the first purple coloured dyes the other day, actually. It was really interesting. It is an interesting topic.

I've actually written a PhD thesis on the colour purple. topic i've actually written a phd thesis on the color purple and i'm just yeah when i yeah when i make my chemistry videos it's one of the more fun colors that you can produce like when you produce it from iodine and stuff like that i am very pro purple and i'm going to give purple a Out of tan. Wow. Gosh. Well, that is incorrect. Oh, really? No, my score, I dislike purple. It's probably my least favourite colour. Really? And I find it annoying to see.

Give me an example of a time you've been annoyed by purple I'm driving along going Oh yeah, no, there's cars And you know, there's a different variety And then there's a purple one It's like, oh gosh, that's like seared my eyes It's Purple's not a good car colour, I'll give you that No, it feels, it's too strong It's like, here I am

And it's like, but not in a confident way In a, you know what I mean? I'm trying to be loud way. And I... Oh, I think purple says, look at me without standing out too much. I think it is more muted than say like a pink or a yellow. You know, I think purple is, yes, you should be looking at me. I am different, but I'm not too much in your face.

Maybe we're thinking of different shades of purple. I think purple is like a dirty version of pink. Pink is pure and gorgeous. And purple is like, oh, you got black in it. It's ruined. Oh, dirty pink. All right. It's too, it's a crass version of pink, whereas pink is fun and pure and beautiful.

What does purple get out of 10? Two. Two out of 10. Oh, what? Two? Two, yeah. Oh, my goodness. And I'll tell you what, it's only like the only one of them is because the queen's wearing it here and the queen's lovely.

And the other one is because red wine has a little bit of purple in it. Tim, you have caned purple. That's an average of 4.9 for purple. That's below par. That's below half. Below Milo. That's for sure. So the next one I was going to do was the colour yellow.

I love yellow. Should we do yellow? colour yellow I love yellow Should we do yellow? We can do yellow Let's do all the colours Let's do yellow Where do you stand on yellow? Oh look, I love yellow Yellow is bright and exciting and fun Yeah, I think it's

We play, I'm sure it's a very famous game Maybe in other countries too Whenever you see a yellow car, someone yells Spotto, and our kids have played What do you yell? Spotto? Spotto spotted a yellow car, yeah Because they're about Every 10th or 20th car

So there's lots of white cars And red cars and all that, but Every now and then there's a yellow one, and so it's like Spotto! What do you do when you see a purple one. And so it's like, oh, spot on. Okay, spot on. Spot on. What do you do when you see a purple car? Or do you just like vomit?

Just turn away. Don't look, kids. Don't look. So what does yellow get out of 10 then? Yellow is great. Yeah. It's not my favourite colour. But it's a strong colour.

It's a nice... It gets a seven. It gets a confident seven. A seven. I'm going to go lower because yellow is like it's a bit too eager to please. It's a bit too sunny and happy for my... Like it's too overtly happy. Like it's like, you know, oh, yeah, I'm yellow. Aren't I nice and happy?

Doesn't everyone like... Aren't I a ray of sunshine in your day? See, that's how I feel about emojis, I guess. That's right. Well, most emojis are yellow. Yeah, that's true. Actually, I want to downgrade my score. But it stands out in a nice way.

It's really nice for YouTube thumbnails. I use yellow in my thumbnails a lot because it stands out nicely. Oh, yeah. It's a useful colour. I'm going to give yellow 6.4. Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair.

That's fair. We'll let that stand. All right. All right. There we go. Let's move on to green. eBay. Oh, good one, man. That's a good one because ebay is really useful like it's really changed my life for the better in lots of ways but it's a terribly terribly designed website yes it's a

terrible interface the back end the back end of ebay when you start using it more, you know, on a more industrial scale for selling things is awful. It's a mess to look at. There's ads everywhere. It's like, it's just hideous. But it's so, it's got such utility in my life. And it's been such a game changer in good ways. I also think they're a bit extortionate sometimes in how they treat their sellers too. As a company, I don't like them.

As an invention, I do like it. As an interface, I hate it. I'm going to give eBay 6.9. 6.9? Oh, that's a high that I thought you were going for. It's a high because of the utility. Yeah. Game changer in my life.

It's given me access to things I would never have had access to. And I do appreciate that. To me, eBay always, it still feels like an early version of the internet. Like MySpace. Yeah, those crappy ones with lots of white everywhere, you know? Yeah. It's like a really early 90s version and stuff, and the photos are all really bad.

Like when rock bands, you know, all the pictures are different sizes and stuff and yeah it looks messy so you can get ripped off yeah yeah so i concur with most of your comments um and yet and yet i go browsing because it is it's there and so you end up using it i don't sell a lot i have sold some things but i've bought many things and rare things and i like its accessibility and the way that it's yeah brings the world of um obscure bits and pieces to me so i'm probably in the sixes too oh yeah what did you say six eight i gave it a 6.9 6.9 i'm gonna go one less than you because i probably don't need it for my work or use it like you do. So I'm going to go 6.8. That's an average of 6.85. Yep.

That moves it just above yellow. eBay's just better than yellow. That's not bad, really, because yellow's been around a lot longer than eBay. Okay, my next one, Tim, is I want you to give me a score out of 10 for Tom Cruise's physical appearance in the film Top Gun. It's telling that I don't need to Google it. Like, it's just... All right, so there's a few ways to measure this because you can measure him against the other characters in Top Gun.

Yeah. Or you can compare him to him and the way his physical appearance in other Tom Cruise movies. Hmm. Or with other specimens of masculinity generally. Hmm. I mean, he rates pretty highly no matter what way you do that. Or with me. Like I could compare him to me,

which he certainly rates very highly there too. Come on. What's Tom Cruise out of 10 in Top Gun? Is there a particular scene? Like, is it the volleyball scene or is it in the planes? No, just the whole film. Just the film as a whole. Feel free to highlight any scenes you particularly enjoyed.

On the bike with the jacket and the white T-shirt? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Out of the shower in the lift with the jacket and the white T-shirt. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Out of the shower in the lift with Charlie. Look, I'm going to go first, Tim, because this is obviously difficult for you. Yeah, yeah. He's a nine.

Women wanted him. Men wanted to be him. Like, he's looking pretty handsome. He's looking pretty cool. Like, you look back at it now and you don't even think, oh, you know, that's a bit old fashioned. He still looks awesome. He still looks exactly the same, doesn't he really?

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the only thing counting against him is he's a bit short. Other than that, I mean, you know, he's looking pretty good there. I can't deny it. It's a nine out of 10, Tom. Nine out of 10. Now, listen, can I just ask, what did you give Milo?

Have you given him more than Milo? I gave him more than Milo, yeah. Wow. Yeah. I never thought you'd rate anything higher than Milo but I underestimated your passion for Tom Cruise. Very good. What are you giving him? I'm going to give him an 8.

An 8? Yeah. Where does he drop points? Just to differentiate myself from your passion for Tom Cruise. Just to stitch me up. That's right. To leave you out there hanging. Thank you very much. That puts Tom Cruise top of the pile with an average of 8.5. Wow.

Okay. What have you got next? What I've got next is Thursdays How do you rate Thursdays? Start me off here, Tim How do you rate Thursdays? Well, would you like some interesting research into Thursdays? Go on then

Thursday is the day of the week between Wednesday and Friday Yeah It is the fifth day of the week in countries that adopt the Sunday First Convention. Right. It's derived. It's the first day of the week in countries that adopt the Thursday First Convention.

It's true. It's derived from Thor's day in the Old Norse, named after the Norse god of thunder, Thor. All right. And, yeah, there's a lot of information here that involves other languages and history that I could go into. Thursday is interesting. Can I tell you my first gut instinct?

Yeah, go for it. Because it's so often the case, my gut instinct always goes back to childhood. Like these days, Thursday is a bit of a nothing day, isn't it? Like it's kind of, you're not quite at the end of the week. It's not the middle. It's a bit of a meh day normally. But I always see, I have for some reason burned in my head when I was sort of between the

ages of five and 15. Thursdays was always a really good TV night. Like there were good shows on a Thursday. So Thursday, just the word Thursday fills me with this little tickle of excitement that I think relates back to there were good shows on tonight. And that is still residual in me, even though, you know, scheduled television means nothing now. There's no good sport on Thursdays. The Champions League games are on Tuesdays and Wednesdays and all the boring UEFA League games are on Thursdays. And so these days, Thursday holds nothing for me,

but it still carries that tiny bit of cachet, but only just. And for that reason, I'm going to give Thursday a 6.5. Yeah, right. Yep. I know exactly what you mean by that childhood memory. There was a good, I think it's actually a very high rated primetime night for big shows. Right. Traditionally. I know that means a lot less now, but it does set up a bit of a groove, you know, things like Family Ties, Knight Rider, some of these sorts of things were Thursday night. like Family Ties, Knight Rider, some of these sorts of things were Thursday night. Oh, yeah, now you're talking.

Yeah. But I like it too. It's also in the suburbs of Adelaide. It's late night shopping night. Oh, yeah. So I, in my early teen years, because we lived near Marion Shopping Centre, I would sort of wander over and, you know, just look around the shops and be at the shopping centre and, you know, get a milkshake or whatever. And I kind of liked doing that after hours, you know, sneaking back to the shops and be at the shopping centre and, you know, get a milkshake or whatever.

And I kind of like doing that after hours, you know, sneaking back to my house. That's part of it. You've reminded me, Tim, that's the other part of where that residual excitement comes from. Thursday was the night you would go to like Marion Shopping Centre and get to shop at night. Yeah. And probably get takeaway dinner, you know, in the food court.

Yeah. That's pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. I like Thursdays. There's a lovely feeling tomorrow's Friday, which is kind of the fun day, you know, like, yeah, all right. So you're looking forward to it and it's, you know. It's Friday Eve.

You've broken the back of the week, you know. Most of the hard work's done. You're coming into sort of slowly easing into the relaxing time. So I rate Thursdays pretty highly and I'm going to give them an eight and a half out of ten. Nice. Yep. Well, that moves Thursday up into third place above eBay, but below Milo. I think that's about right.

I think that's good. That's about right, yeah. I want to hear your rating for Australia's Parliament House. Ah, yes. This is in the city of Canberra, the capital of Australia, of course. It's quite a modern building. The old Parliament House still stands, but on a hill right behind it, they've built the modern Parliament House. Iconic building for Australians. Go and look it up if you haven't been there and want to rate it along with us. Tim and I have been there together once on a road trip, I recall. We stopped in in Canberra and

we did the tour, didn't we? Yeah, there was an official reception for us and we addressed the parliament. Look, it's a pretty sort of infamous building in a way because it cost a billion dollars back in 1988 or through the 80s, which was a lot of money back then. I know it's not really anymore, but it's an expansive building. I'm not a fan of it.

I think this is a classic case where the concept kind of doesn't work as a building. The concept of the building, if you're looking at a picture, as you can see there's green grass that goes over the roof and that is supposed to signify that the people are always above the government and that's a good concept, you know. Because it almost looks like it's built into a hill, doesn't it? Like it's sort of, it's underground almost in a way.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's some good, there was a documentary on it a little while ago by a former colleague of yours, actually, Annabelle Crabb, from back in your journalist days, that was very popular going inside Parliament House. And there's some cool stuff and some lovely practices and stuff. But as a building, it doesn't feel like it's got a heart. It feels heart like it's a bit tomb-like or it doesn't really, it doesn't feel like it's got charm. So I'm not a big fan of it, I have to say. I'm not a big fan of it.

There are some things I like. I do like the colours on the furnishings and I like the Australian wood that's used. There's lots of wood and lovely wooden floors in a few rooms and all over the place. But as a whole, I'm not a big fan of it. And I'm going to give it a five out of 10. I feel like I shouldn't like it because I'm, you know, the older I get, the more I like old things and traditional things. And I don't like the newfangled modern interpretations and, you know, trying too hard to be all symbolic and politically correct and everything. But there is something I find somehow intoxicating about the Parliament House.

It's kind of, it feels adventurous. Like it's, it feels like there's always interesting things around every corner and i don't know it has an effect on me when i'm there that surprises me i mean i haven't been there for a very long time very long time but my memories of a fond and against my better judgment i like it i think it was successful and i'm gonna give a a seven a seven because i i just i like important places as well and it's an important place it is it a seven because i i just i like important places as well and it's an important place it is it is it is i don't i don't disagree with your sentiments but i just i am more sympathetic towards it actually one of the um sad details about it is because

of security they've actually put um blockage fences up now so you can't actually walk up on top of it anymore oh that's a shame yeah yeah because walking up over on top of it was was one of the real fun things to do i'm not surprised but yeah that is a shame and that certainly would if i went back there now affect my rating i would expect but yeah they may continue to use it despite our rating yeah that they've heard they've heard that it just scored an average of six and have decided they're going to build another one. Let's try it again. They rank below yellow, for goodness sake.

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I'm, I didn't think we could get through this without leaning a little bit into the legendary other Tom, that being Tom Hanks. So I've decided to nominate a film that I've gone back and forward on over the years, the film, his film from the year 2000, Cast Away. I rate this film highly. Do you really? This is the film, a survival drama, where he plays a FedEx employee stranded on an island after his plane crashes, which is a pretty classic theme in storytelling history. And this is kind of his take on it.

But you, you're a big fan. Talk to me about why you like this film. I just find it really watchable. People familiar with some of my little side interests will know that I'm really into plane crashes and it's got a really iconic, interesting plane crash. And it's about the aftermath of a plane crash. So that gives it a real head start. I think Tom Hanks is great in that. I'm fascinated by the idea of being cast away on a desert island. I like the first section where we get to know him. It's really interesting. I love the plane crash. I love everything on the

island. I find it really fascinating. And I even like the bit they tag on the end when he goes back to civilization. That works for me too. For some people, I can imagine it wouldn't, and they feel like it should end when he gets rescued. Spoilers. But for me, even the tagged bit on the end works. I find it wholly satisfying. I always enjoy watching it. I think I like it more than the average person, and I'm going to give it an 8.8. Oh, wow. Okay.

That's a big, strong endorsement there. Where do you stand? This is one that I'm going to have to feel my way towards a mark with because I... Can I go and get a milo while you do it spoilers it won't be higher than the milo i like the idea of it i love the idea of a castaway it's just an ultimate it felt like it played a significant role in the imagination of my youth you know being on an island and having to survive and all that that was like big make-believe stuff

this sort of uh setting this plot played a huge role in the make-believe world of my playtime as a kid you know being on an island and you know bouncing through trees and all this sort of stuff but i don't know it irks me for some reason when i actually watch it and a couple one is i never stopped thinking about it being tom Hanks all the way through, so I don't get lost in the character. And then he looks like Tom Hanks with a big matted amount of hair, and I don't stop thinking about him still as being lovely Tom Hanks but with a big, you know, matted lot of hair.

So you can't suspend disbelief because he's so famous. Yeah, yeah. Although I do in other films. I have been, as as you know a big fan of helen hunt but i don't like her in this so much she feels helen hunty like she's kind of herself and you you can't i don't sympathize with her even though you should because she went through the worst thing so she doesn't totally land it for me i also felt and this is a strange thing i feel disappointed like i reckon there's more cool

stuff that could have been done on the island and i'm i was a bit let down by what happened on the island i know there's the whole wilson thing and that's okay i kind of get that and that works a bit but the get the moment the highlights for me are the moments like when he gets fire and the building the raft and, you know, the sort of the actual survival-y fun things that are the sorts of things that you, you know, love as a kid. And there's not enough of those. Or it suddenly jumps forward to him being master of them

and we didn't see enough of the journey, and that would have been the fun stuff for me all right it also feels like a really big ad for fedex like it feels like an ad the whole time and that is pretty overt product placement yeah yeah but there are moments and i really love it and when i tell you what it is it's a very the reason i'm vexed about it is because if i'm switching channels and it's on, I'll watch it every time. And that's probably the sign of a good movie. Yeah. Even though I sit there going.

That's my criteria. What are you going to give it? I'm going to give it a six. Okay. Harsh. Harsh in my opinion, but I've got to respect it. Yeah. You have to respect it.

Respect it, man. That gives an average of 7.4, which means Castaway is just below Thursdays, but above eBay. eBay's taking a pounding here tonight. It is. It's in fifth place. So, anyway, let's move on. I have for you Halley's Comet. Yeah, cool. Let me read the start of the Wikipedia article about Halley's Comet. Yeah, cool.

Let me read the start of the Wikipedia article about Halley's Comet. Halley's Comet or Comet Halley, officially designated 1P slash Halley, is a short period comet visible from Earth every 75 to 76 years. Halley is the only known short period comet that is regularly visible to the naked eye from Earth and the only naked eye comet that can appear twice in a human lifetime. Halley last appeared in the inner parts of the solar system in 1986 and will appear again in mid-2061. Cool. Where do you stand on Halley's Comet, Tim? The funny thing about Halley's Comet is because it came in the 80s, I think of it as being like

an 80s thing, like as if it was invented in the 80s. I'm going to call you on this, Tim. I'm going to, like I call most people, it's Halley's, not Haley's. I've always thought you were mispronouncing it. No, it is Halley's, named after Sir Edmund Halley, who predicted its return, but did not live to see its return. Oh, that's a shame. I like Halley's Comet, comet probably for again for nostalgic reasons um that we studied it at school and it was around in that particular time but also because i saw it so

clearly and distinctly went out in the backyard and had dad's binoculars and looked at it and i went there it is wow and it looked it looked cool and i often think about it and i'm not terribly interested in space and yet there it is see it in my memory so yeah i'm gonna give halley's comet like certainly compared to other comets it's way out ahead um can you name a single other comet uh no no what are you gonna give it out of 10 i'll give hallie's comment and an eight and a half out of 10 nice yep it would get a higher score if it came more regularly takes its time i'll tell you what i think it's a period of 75 to 76 years about a human lifetime

in fact exactly around mark twain's lifetime because he he was born in the year it came and died in the year that it came back. He always said he would die when it came back and he did. I think it's just this perfect amount of time. It just touches each human's life once or twice, maybe. It's so ingrained into our culture. It's like, it appears in like artwork, it appears in the Bayeux Tapestry, because the Battle of Hastings was happening around the time Halley's Comet was there. So you see this comet sewn into the tapestry. It's so part of our human interaction with the solar system. It's the glamour comet. It's quite pretty. It's a nice looking comet. We sent a space probe to it last time it was here. There are so many stories about it. It's got everything going for it. It's almost your perfect solar system object, not including the planets because they're kind of definitionally the solar system. So, they don't count for me. It's like an extra

in the movie of the solar system, but it's the standout extra. It's the one that gets a speaking role. And for me, you can't improve upon Halley's Comet in any way. It plays such a role in science, in culture. Even like someone like you has memories of it Halley's Comet for me it's getting a 10 it gets a 10 wow it gets a 10 what what could I change what would I want like nothing Halley's Comet does it all thank you Halley's Comet for being Halley's Comet you get you get my first 10 wow even more than Milo even more than Tom Cruise in Top Gun yeah I know I know better looking than Tom Cruise unbelievable oh well that's a big wrap on a comet I tell you wow I know I've bigged that one up so I don't think I don't think we'll be around to see it next time but there you go is it

particularly special for us in the southern hemisphere do I think I remember something we see it more clearly than the rest of the globe or is that ridiculous is it impossible no no no that is possible i'm not sure what the um it often it can depend on its kind of inclination to the plane of the solar system i don't know enough about halley's comet about that aspect of halley's comet to be able to answer your question i remember on the news the relative descendants of heli were like flew to australia or came to australia because apparently you could see it better here or something i've got a vague memory along those lines we'll do some research tim will do some research and can comment on that in a future episode oh yes yes upcoming unmade idea i mean i'll point i'll point

out like that 8.5 is the highest score you've given so far, equal with Thursday. Well, there you go. Well, at least Thursday's a bit more regular. I was born on a Thursday and I'll die on a Thursday. Imagine if Thursdays only came around every 75 years. That's a long wait between Knight Rider episodes. Let's get through them. I think 20 was a big ask and I'm now realising.

Yes, it is. We're taking a while. What are we up to? This will be the 10th one. Oh, really? Oh, gosh. We need to keep going. The Beverly Hills 90210 graduation episode from 90.

Oh, I almost chose that. This is the original series of 90210 where they had, well, it wasn't the finale because it went on after high school, but this was the end of their high school years and they had their graduation ceremony. It was really more of a flashback episode than anything. But it was around the time we were graduating from high schools and we were really into the show at the time. So, it became like a must watch thing for us. And I know you taped it and it was watched back a few times yes i mean i have fond memories of it for the role it played in our life in what was it 93 1993 yes yes the end of 93 yeah i have i have

fond memories of it for that i think in like the grand scheme of things it was a bit of a rubbish episode because it was all like you know it was just flashbacks and it was just like mashed together and and the bits in between were terrible in between the flashbacks i think i've watched bits of it like i went to watch it once online like on you know on on youtube or wherever and i just found it a little bit boring and unwatchable. So I'm going to, but I respect the nostalgia. And for that reason, I'm going to give it a six. It was perfectly timed for us really, because they, the episode, you know, the graduation obviously finishes in the middle of the year in the States. But by the time the episode got here,

it was the end of the year. So we were also finishing our year when our school year finishes. So it was perfectly timed for our prom and all that. So I also think of it as a bit of a signing off from 90210 as well. Like we were moving on with our lives. And so it's time to move past it. Sure. And here we are 27 years later, still talking about it. That's right.

Moving on with our lives. I really think this time we have to leave it behind and move on. Please. Please, Tim. We are going to watch it when I get out, aren't we? Oh, yeah. And it's always permanently in the machine that's right yeah I had it look I had it on VHS for years and years I may even still have it in in the box in the shed or something um or not in the shed anymore but in the box I can't remember if I found it recently yeah it's it's it's uh pretty

legendary there was a sense of farewell and sentiment. There were some, yeah, some legendarily awful flashback moments. Of course, the great moment is that at the senior breakfast, they're showing, like, here on a video screen, like, in the show, hey, everyone, let's look at some great moments, you know, that we've had this year, our senior year. But, of course, then they're just moments from the episode about the main characters. And it's well who's yeah who's filming this like this you're filmed with professional cameras on tripods yeah it must have been yeah it's a bit meta i must have felt like

they were in the truman show all those characters all of a sudden that's right it's like what the heck that's not appropriate all right what are you going to give it out of 10 is it well for it's for it on it's on it's i can't give it two scores can i so i'm going to have to split the difference but as an as an episode um i'm giving it a um i'm giving it a a six for its legendariness in terms of that particular era of life, I'm giving it an eight. And so I guess it's about a seven. So I'll give it a seven. Yes, Tim, that is seven is halfway between the two. Yeah, I know.

Hang on. I'll just get my calculator. A seven, you say. Just seeing if there's any variable factors involved in it. But yeah, it's legendary. It certainly drags it up a little bit it loses points for how crap luke perry looks in his graduation um mortarboard and you know outfit his hair was on not able to shine that day well there you go it's official the beverly hills 90210 graduation episode is better than Australia's Parliament House but it's not as good as the colour yellow

and again I have to go yeah that sounds that sounds fair that's quite consistent I like our style I want to hear your score out of 10 for KFC chips. Oh, okay. The potato chips they sell at KFC. Not the chicken.

Not the chicken. Nope, nope, nope. Just the chips. Yep. The chicken's obviously a 10. No question. No question. Don't think my spreadsheet could handle the chicken.

I think the chips are pretty good yeah yeah i i like the chips and i don't know if it's just sort of you know they they they win by association you know what i mean but they they're pretty good i think they're better than certainly better than hungry jacks chips they're not they're not as great as a good fish hungry jacks is burger king by the way for people. That's right, yeah. Hungry Jack's is what Burger King is called in South Australia for legal reasons. Yeah, yeah.

It is also called Burger King in other places of Australia, but for some, anyway, we won't go down that rabbit hole. Yeah, South Australia. The McDonald's, McDonald's are hit and miss. Sometimes they're great if you're really in the mood for them, but often they're not great. I think they're better than fries from McDonald's. So how are they out of 10? I'll give them an 8. I can't agree. McDonald's are superior for mine by quite some distance.

I know. You've always been more of a Maccas man. I think KFC chips can't decide what they want to be. Do we want to be fries? Do we want to be big, be big fat potatoey chips do we want to be all about the crispy outside do we want to be all about the potatoey inside they just they just can't make up their mind and for that reason I'm giving them a six oh okay wow yeah sorry gotta call it as I taste it they are forever the bridesmaid though aren't aren't they? Like when it comes to KFC. Like they very much, like Maccas, I think they're a real feature.

They're one of the great things. Yeah. But they're just so far below the chicken. Behind the chicken. That's right. But they're like hanging out with the chicken. Like, you know, hey, we're part of the greatest meal ever. And it's like, yeah, but on your own. They're riding on the chicken's coattails.

Coattails, that's right. The chicken's head riding on the uh chickens coat tails tail feathers that's right good one winter winter winter winter yes okay so winter is the coldest season of the year in polar and temperate zones winter does not occur in most of the tropical zones. It occurs after autumn and before spring. And I'm thinking people either love or hate summer, but generally love it. Spring and autumn, you sort of love them as well. But winter seems to be quite polarising, no pun intended.

And I'm wondering, what do you give winter out of 10? I'm all about winter. It's my favorite season. I like the cold. I don't like it when it's really hot. I like snow. I like rain. I like storms. I don't like bright sunshine beating on my pale skin. Winter, you know, I like winter sports. I mean, I don't live somewhere where it's all snowy and beautiful, but I think winter is the most beautiful season, even more so than autumn and spring, you know. I'm not that excited about leaves and flowers, but I love the starkness of winter. I'm going to give winter 8.3.

Wow. Nice. Winter is a season that I like the idea of more than the experience, more than the reality. I get that. Certainly, when we're baking here in South Australia in the middle of summer, I talk up winter big time. Like, when winter, the reality of winter comes

and you realise it's just wet and cold and there's no snow in Adelaide. Yeah, Adelaide doesn't do winter well. No. No. No. It gets a bit drab and a bit crap. And so I do like spring. My favourite season is autumn.

My favourite season is autumn. I'll just let it be known. But, yeah, so winter is my least favourite. And so the reality of winter, having just recently come out of it into spring, I'm looking back on it going, thank goodness that we're out of that. And I'm going to give it a six. Respect. Respect, man. Yep. If I lived in a different place, I can imagine giving winter a different score. That still means winter ranks above KFC chips, but it's not as good as Castaway.

All right. I am going to ask for your mark out of 10 for beaches. Not the back middle of film, but beaches themselves. A beach is a landform alongside a body of water which consists of loose particles. The particles composing a beach are typically made from rock, such as sand, gravel, shingle, pebbles. The particles can also be biological in origin,

such as mollusk shells or coralline algae. Beaches. Adelaide has many lovely beaches. England, not so many. Many places in the world do have nice ones. Where do you stand on the idea of beaches? Well, funnily enough, my view of beaches is the opposite of what it is to winter. And that is that I actually dislike the idea of the beach.

I think of it as being, oh, it's down there and it's sandy and it's hot. And I'm a glasses wearing person. So the glasses are going to be off and I won't see properly. And it'll be, you know, that whole thing. It feels like a hassle. And yet when I get there, I get in the zone and I love it and I enjoy the beach. So because I went with the reality of the beach of winter, I'm going to go with the reality of the beach. So because I went with the reality of the beach, of winter, I'm going to go with the reality of the beach.

And I do like the beach. I like it. And I like it in all seasons. If I'm in winter, I like sitting in the car or walking along and it's windy or reading a book. I used to do that a fair bit. Or sitting on the rocks or something. That's lovely.

If it's hot, it's nice. Sun going down, you know, chips on the beach. to do that a fair bit, or sitting on the rocks or something, that's lovely. If it's hot, it's nice. Sun going down, you know, chips on the beach, we do that a lot, and I really love that with the family. I'll give the beach, I'll give it a seven. I'm not a big fan, but I'll give it a seven. I think beaches are highly overrated. I greatly dislike sand. A lot.

There's hardly any shelter from the sun. And I hate the sun beating down on my skin, as I said before. Yeah. There's not much about the beach to recommend itself to me, except what it looks like. It looks beautiful. It's very pretty. And I like going on holidays to beachy places because I can see the beach. So the only thing about the beach I really, really like is the look of it.

That's not to say I don't like the sea. I like being in the sea. I like snorkeling and being amongst the sea life. But that's not the beach. The beach, the all-important part of the beach is the sandy bit or the rocky bit. And that's the bit that I take some umbrage with. So I would mark it more harshly if it wasn't so pretty. Much like Tom Cruise's performance in Top Gun. So I'm going to give the beach a 6.4.

Yep. Yep. I can relate. Yeah. Yeah. If not invited by others, I would probably never go to the beach. Funnily enough, the beach has scored exactly the same as the colour yellow and got the same score from both of us as well.

Oh, there you go. Wow. Interesting. Interesting. And it's a very yellow... It is a very yellow environment, isn't it? Usually, yeah. All right.

What do you got for us? What's next in the spreadsheet? Yeah. All right. What do you got for us? What's next in the spreadsheet? The Skylar Sisters, the song in Hamilton. I thought about doing Hamilton as a whole and I thought, no, I'm going to make it a little bit more specific. Yeah. Okay. The Skylar Sisters, which is one of the songs in Hamilton. And you have on a few occasions lately sung bits of it to me. Yes. I'm a big Hamilton fan. I've seen it many times. I've forever been telling Tim how much I like it.

Yes. He finally got to see it when it came out on Disney. And we're going to talk about this one song, not the show as a whole. We'll save that for another day, I'm sure. Yeah, yeah. I like all the songs in Hamilton and this is a good song and it's a really fun part of the show near the start that introduces lots of characters. It's a really well choreographed one. It sets up lots of stuff that's important for the show about personalities of people and stuff. But for me, it's sort of one of the less Hamilton-y songs.

It's definitely low on my list. It's one I will sometimes skip when I'm listening to the soundtrack. Oh, wow. Gosh. And I'm going to give it a, I'm going to give it a 6.5. And that's in, and I'm marking it in the context of all the songs that surround it. Right. Yeah. Okay. It's a 6.5 for me. Now, well, I have to say I actually love this song and it stayed with me and I sing it all the time, including on a recent Balcony episode. Yeah.

And I have to say I haven't watched Hamilton closely all the way through. I did watch it all the way through with some friends and drinking wine and telling gags and joking around. Okay. But at moment you know it's earlier in the show so perhaps it caught my attention more of some of the than some of the others i should watch it all the way through and and more give it what it's due i do hear you there tim because the first time i saw hamilton i liked it more it was one of the more standout songs. And that is, I think, because it's one of the real early bangers. Yeah. And also that performance of Hamilton I saw,

I think I've seen it six or seven times. That one had one of the best Angelicas in it. And a lot of the song is sung by Angelica Schuyler. Oh, yeah. And that had the best Angelica of any of the performances I've seen, as in the actress and the singer. Yeah. She really blew

everyone away on that performance. And ever since then, I've never seen an Angelica as good. So, if you'd asked me after I first saw Hamilton to Mark, I would have given a much higher score because of those factors. So, I can see why having seen Hamilton once and paying more attention at the start, you would rate the song more highly. Yep, yep. But I've played the soundtrack over and over and I often play the song and I've played it in the car and I've listened and I go to that song. It's become the go-to song and I really enjoy it. And I'm not big on musicals, I must say.

I'm not a great musical lover and I actually, you know, dislike lots of them or find them dull or loathsome. But I love this song. And I'm going to give it, as a song in terms of enjoyable, I'm going to give it 8.7 out of 10. I think it's a great song for a musical. I think it's great. Okay.

So that gives Skylar Sisters the song 7.6 overall, which places it at the moment just above Thursday, just below Milo. Above Thursday. Wow. Hmm. That's interesting. Next, I'm going to go for a South Australian landmark that I know you've been to and a lot of people know I love,

and that is the big rocking horse at Gummaracka. This is a giant replica of a rocking horse that uh is made of metal and got ladders up the middle of it and you can climb up to the head and get like a you know a view and next to it in fact let me read the wikipedia article that's always the best thing to do isn't it that's more dispassionate the big rocking horse is a tourist attraction located in the town of Gumaraka, South Australia. Designed by David McIntosh, the structure weighs 25 tonnes and stands over 18 metres tall and is one of a number of big things in Australia designed to attract the attention of passing motorists. It is part of a larger complex that includes a wooden toy factory, wildlife park and cafe.

Now, can I just clarify something? Are you including the toy factory in the whole rating or is it just strictly the rocking horse structure? That's the rocking horse. But you can take the experience into account, the experience of going there and the factory. You can take it how you take it. I don't love the rocking horse anywhere near as much as you do. I do remember visiting it as a child on holiday over from Victoria.

So I had that childhood excitement and I loved it then. I thought it was pretty specky. It's always bigger than I recall when I get there. But I don't love it like you love it. And I think without the toy factory, it would be a bit dull. The toy factory is pretty cool because you can walk around there and there's lots of little things but it is great that little wooden toy factory yeah yeah we and we bought some lovely toys for our kids over the years when they were really little and they're charming because they're they seem

little wooden toys seem like more pure they're not related to you know yeah plastic advertising and tie-ins from mcdonald's or anything like that they seem good and pure and nice so look i'll i'll but i like the fact it's also largely uncommercial you know it's like some guy built it and and it's still going and that's nice as well so it's got a bit of cheap to go up you know they only charge you a couple of bucks don't they yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah, yeah. It's cheap as chips, yeah. Yeah, that's right. I'll give it a 6.7. I love the Big Rocking Horse and I always go there when I bring my wife to Adelaide.

And as you know, when my good friend Derek came to Adelaide and I arranged for you to meet him and show him the sights, I asked you to take him to the Big Rocking Horse with his kids. Because I think it's a great place to take people. Because it gets you up into the Adelaide Hills above Adelaide, which is nice. It's in a really interesting location nestled amongst the trees next to quite a little tame road, which is sort of surprising. It's like going back in time, like you talked about. It's still very pure and uncommercial. And yet it's so strange. It looks like something from another world, like with his big doe eyes painted on it. It's like, and the whiteness of it stark against all

the surrounding gum trees and things like that. It's just so different. There's so few places like that in the world to go and see things. like i feel like it's a real hidden gem in a city that's a hidden gem and my enjoyment of it is far greater now than when i was a child when i was a child i was quite scared of it because i was scared of heights and didn't like climbing it i remember i remember climbing it with my sister and dad and having to stay down one level while my sister and dad went to the top level because I was too scared of the final staircase you know like or the final ladder yeah so like my my memories of it I like become more fond with time and going there as an adult I just have this different appreciation for it it's like this little oasis of of some kind of loveliness that I seldom experience anywhere in the world and for that reason I going to give the tacky,

big rocking horse in Gamaraka a 9.2. Wow. I think it's really, really special place. And I'm going to make an effort to go up there when I get out of quarantine. Wow. There you go. Well, that's a big wrap on the rocking horse, that's for sure. It is. It is. If you go there expecting the world, of course, you'll be disappointed. But if you go there just for just a moment, just have a nice moment, you won't be disappointed. And it's only slightly behind Hallie's comment in your estimation, which is really quite an achievement for the gentleman who built it.

And my estimation is it's just above Tom Cruise too, but you've dragged down the average. What if you built a giant Tom Cruise in the hills? Would you go and see? What do you got next? Let's crack on. This is a bit of a strange one, but it's more of a Brady idea, right? And I was thinking about it

yeah okay i won't i won't condition my statements with with any more comments i'd like you to rate the number 23 okay so the number 23 is a very popular number and it's been the subject of two films it's one of the most commonly cited prime numbers and apparently there's quite a lot of coincidences that occur with 23 it's obviously very famously michael jordan's number the ancient chinese believe that there was some sort of um connection between the masculine and the feminine with the two and the three there's and i won't go into it all but you can google and find as i've found here i didn't think there was so much to it there is an enormous amount of um incidences that occurred that add up to 23 has it been the subject of like a number file have you done any work i'm sure it's come up

in the number five videos this is definitely suffering from you having over researched it yes anyway well what do you think of the number 23 how would you rate the number 23 obviously as the maker of Numberphile, I have strong feelings about numbers, and I have my favourites, and I have my ones I don't like. 23, you know, I do like it because of its primeness. You know, I like a good low prime. I feel like 23, though, like as a number,

has sold out to popular culture. Like all the numbers sit over in the world of mathematics doing their job and 23 has like been lured by the celebrity of becoming a cultural phenomenon because of michael jordan and then all the other people that have adopted 23 and i feel like it's kind of lost its like number credibility in a lot of ways like it's like oh look at me i'm 23 i'm, everyone wants me on their shirt. I'm all that. And that makes me want to shun it because I'm like, you've forgotten where you came from.

You've forgotten what you are as a number. So, for that reason, I'm a bit down on 23. And I'm going to give it a 5.5. It's so funny that you say that because my, I chose it partly because i thought it's overexposed like it just needs to be rested for a generation or two before it's used you're gonna but shane warren wore it and you're like a shane warren obsessive so you're gonna love it shane warren's an australian cricketer by the way that was very successful that's right he got a nike contract and it was like yeah yeah, he's obviously, you know what I mean, like chosen that number because it's a –

I have to say it was also Dermot Brereton's number back in the 1980s. Oh, okay. I do have that. That's Tim's favourite Australian rules footballer. Yeah, yeah. That was before Jordan popularised it. That's right. So I'm a bit annoyed by the fact that it became overexposed

because it would be a nice pure favourite number, but I can't have it. I don't, I've lost, I'm out of love with it. So, I'm giving it a low number two. I'm giving it four. And, yeah, there's a bit of spite in my score as well. Wasn't expecting that. Yeah, yeah.

All right. Taking a strong stance. It's time to go, 23. Bon Jovi, the band. For those unfamiliar with Bon Jovi, I will read Wikipedia. Bon Jovi is an American rock band formed in 1983 in Sayerville, New Jersey. It consists of singer John Bon Jovi, keyboardist David Bryan, drummer Tico Torres, guitarist Phil X and bassist

Hugh MacDonald. Previous bassist Alec John Such was dismissed in 94 and longtime guitarist and co-songwriter Richie Sambora left in 2013. Bon Jovi. I don't want you to go through the complete discography if you can resist. I know you know a lot about Bon Jovi, Tim. You were a big fan of theirs through many, many years. What are you going to give them out of 10? This is one of those bands that you sort of, it's just tracked with you through your whole life. So it is funny. They're sort of just always there in the background.

I love them. Love them as a kid. But they've got a lot of very pedestrian music that they've produced as well. So they're a hard one to score for that. They're a bit like the nostalgia. And they do have some great songs, don't they? I had their greatest hits one, I remember, in the late 90s

or early 2000s, that greatest hits album they bought out with a photo of Jon Bon Jovi sitting in the cafe. That was just like cracker after cracker, that one. Yeah. That was a bit earlier actually. That was actually in about 94 that came out. Okay. Yeah.

There was some ordinary music that came out after that that's not included. Right. Yeah, I haven't really followed them at all since then, but they had a lot of great songs in the 80s and 90s i wasn't i kind of got into them a bit later like when they were at their absolute height of popularity i was probably not quite cool enough to be into them i was a i was a bit of a late comer but and i saw i saw a concert of theirs after an adelaide grand prix that was a very memorable experience for me i maybe might tell that story another day what are you going to give them out of 10 yeah that's this is a hard one isn't it gosh because you're we're

rating them now and yet i still think i wear my jeans slightly tighter than i should because of the early influence of john Bon Jovi. Yeah. So, I'm going to lean back into that. I'm going to say I give Bon Jovi. Look, they're in the Hall of Frame. There's some crap music, but even Bob Dylan made a little bit of crap music. Like, I'll give him a seven and a half for the early days. Yeah.

Yeah. Yep. What about you? I'm going to give them a, I would have given them a seven, but some of those early hairstyles, like, you know. They're pretty awesome, aren't they? They are great. That bumps it up a bit.

They lose points for that. Oh, sorry, they lose points. I'd knock them back to, that would knock them back to a 6.3, but I'll give them another 0.3 because of someday I'll be Saturdayurday night being such a great song i'll give them a 6.6 nice i've said it before and i will never stop saying it though one of my favorite early tim memories was you confessing to me that you had listened to the song uh was it blaze of glory yes you listened to blaze of glory and it almost made you feel sad because you thought a better song could never be written that'd run that'd run out of good songs like that was it like music had

peaked like you're like how can they just keep coming up with songs better than that like it's just so good i can remember the exact intersection the car was sitting at and I had my Walkman on in the back listening to it going, that is the best song that can ever be written. Music has peaked. Just going, that is incredible. It's funny I lost favour with it after that. I got a bit overexposed.

I listened to it too much and stuff. But, yeah, wow. Favourite Bon Jovi song quickly before we move on to the next one oh hang on hang on man man that's a whole episode in itself let's no no no you've got you you could there's this is torment of tim's style there can be no other talking i just want you to name a song um oh man i can't I've gone blank. I've got stuff. Oh, gosh. Can you name a Bon Jovi song you like?

I don't know any songs. I don't. I've got. I like. Lay Your Hands On Me, maybe. It's the New Jersey era. I like that. Lay Your Hands On Me.

Let's move on. Hang on. What about you? Is it Someday I'll Be Saturday Night? Someday I'll Be Saturday Night. Yeah. Someday I'll Be Saturday Night. I love that song. What do you got? What are we marking next? Oh, jigsaws. Jigsaws. Jigsaws. What do you think about jigsaws? Are you into jigsaws? What do you give jigsaws? I don't do jigsaws. I've never really been into jigsaws. We mentioned previously my grandmother was. By the way, quick note, in the last episode, I spoke about my nan doing a jigsaws. I've never really been into jigsaws. We mentioned previously my grandmother was. By the way, quick note, in the last episode, I spoke about my nan doing a jigsaw in 1982 for the royal wedding, and I recalled what I thought it looked like.

After the episode, I went and Googled it and found it, and my recollection was amazing. Amazing. I can't believe how – that was like I was six years old and i was saying oh it was sky blue and it had the two faces and ovals and i looked it up and it all came flooding back it was anyway sorry did you buy it did you it's there on amazon did you buy it for nostalgia i didn't buy it no i didn't know here's the deal with jigsaws i don't do them i'm not particularly into them but i think they're cool i love the way they look i love the idea of them i love what

jigsaw pieces look like i love the way jigsaws have become part of like popular culture and go into other parts of culture like you know using the term jigsaw that the piece another piece in the puzzle and things like that i think jigsaws are awesome and i'm going to give them a 7.4 oh gosh they're a good thing i'm glad they exist i have no bone to pick with jigsaws are awesome and I'm going to give them a 7.4. Oh, gosh. They're a good thing. I'm glad they exist. I have no bone to pick with jigsaws. I am with you all the way along to when you started saying positive stuff about jigsaws. Sorry.

I'm disinterested in them. I can see what you mean about them being a good and pure thing and they're lovely and they're worthwhile and I'm sure they encourage people to spend time with one another chatting and they get you off a screen and, you know, they're good things to do. But I have zero interest in doing one. Yeah. And it's different when you've had bad experiences with jigsaws too.

Like I'm quite happy because they've never harmed me. But if you've been like, if you've been forced into some jigsaw purgatory, I'm sure it's a different story. Oh, now there's hours of waiting. And then, oh, it fits. Oh, that's good. And it gets, like, it starts off awful. It's not like it gets in. It's like, oh, here's the early good pieces that all come together. You know what I mean? It's just like, this is going to be awful from the start.

I can see that about you too, though, because I like, I don't think of patience as one of your virtues. No. Like, I do think you're kind of impatient and yes you know you're you're very patient in the ways you need to be patient for your job but i think you're just your instinct is to be impatient and the idea of sorting all the pieces into the red colored pieces and the edge pieces and things like that it's like like the sort of methodical process you need to go through to be successful at doing a jigsaw doesn't seem like your thing.

No, no. Any patience that I have to draw upon, and I know that patience is a virtue and I would be a better person if I had more patience. And so, therefore, anything I do that increases my patience is a redemptive thing for me to be doing. But I will, I don't, why would I do, why would I allow a pastime to have to be doing but i will i will i don't what why would i do why would i allow a pastime to have to be one of those that's just you know like i'll allow work things and things that involve the tasks that i should be doing and doing well but yeah like if i'm i'll i want to switch off i want to do something enjoyable so you spend your patience wisely indeed indeed i have a limited amount and i pour it towards um things that require it or that are more worthy than going oh and look at

this and then they frame it and i'm like not that no you paint something you can frame it if you put it together no you don't get to frame it Says the guy who spends most of his time putting together IKEA furniture. You should frame that. You sit on that or you try to sit on it before it falls apart. That's one of those places where I have to, you know, okay, I am doing the right thing spending my patience to do this and see this through to the end. This needs to be done.

Oh, yeah. I bet doing that IKEA furniture really spending my patience to do this and see this through to the end. This needs to be done. Oh, yeah. I bet doing that IKEA furniture really tests you. Oh, gosh. Particularly when there's multiple things of the one thing. It's like, okay, we've got a couple of desks. So, putting the first one, it's kind of interesting. It's like, oh, now we've got to do another one. And I know how to do it, but now I have to do it.

And I know when we get to screwing those little bits in, you get IKEA fingers and that'll hurt for days. Yeah. Anyway. What are you going to give Jigsaws? Oh, Jigsaws. Yep. One.

One. One? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I thought about two and I thought, no. Oh, wow. That's harsh. They get one because I can see that they're a worthy thing

and I can see all the redemptive things. But for me, I get to give the score. Other people will give it a good score. I'm giving it a one. All right. My final one is the sport of basketball. Oh, that's so funny. I had a spare one here, which was the NBA.

I'm looking at basketball in general the nba obviously being the showpiece yep well you'd think i'd have some insightful things to say though wouldn't you having had it on my list but i don't yeah i have to say i'm a bit down on basketball i love all sport i'll watch anything i'll play anything and i'm usually all right at most sports i'll play. I'm not good at basketball. I've never been very good at basketball. I went and watched my first NBA game last year and I did enjoy that experience.

But generally, it's not something I particularly like watching on television because I think basketball, no matter what happens, always just comes down to the last couple of minutes. And I was watching this game last night or the other night in the playoffs and i just kept skipping forward 10 minutes yep and the score was just always you know just fluctuating within a few points of each other i don't know why basketball games so often are pretty close at the end but they are and and you may say oh that make that's quite exciting then it's always good to have close finishes but it's almost like predictably exciting.

Yeah, yeah. It just, basketball just doesn't float my boat. I much prefer baseball and American football. I don't really like ice hockey, but I don't really count that as a sport. So I'm quite down on basketball. I loved the Jordan documentary and I loved it when Jordan was a big deal. And I was like everyone, I was into the NBA then and I was playing my NBA jam video games.

And so I've gone through, and I used to like playing basketball games on the computer and stuff, but I'm over that now. I feel like I'm very much over basketball and I'm very middle of the, I'm about as middle of the road about basketball as you can be. And I think for that reason, I think I'll give it a five. There you go. Wow. I have to say I'm a bit similar.

When I was young, I felt pressure that I should be good at basketball, but I was never particularly interested in it. And yet I still felt that feeling of, oh geez, I'm supposed to be into this. And I never was. And I never, I'm not particularly good at it, never i'm not particularly good at it but i'm not particularly good at anything sport related and i do love you know a couple other sports so yeah i don't i agree with you about the game itself it feels like basketball would be a better match if it was

10 minutes and it would be an intense awesome 10 minutes and i'd probably watch it. I'd be into it. It'd be great. You know? Yeah. Fantastic. Heated. Bang, it's over. And even when they win a match, there's heaps and heaps of matches. And so it's like, oh, yeah. Even the playoffs, it's like, you know, more playoffs and more playoffs. And I remember you saying once it always feels like the playoffs are on,

like they're always on. And so I don't have strong feelings, but I feel like I'd like to go see a basketball match. And I can watch a highlights package and enjoy it. I feel like it's a better sport in the highlights packages than it is in reality. Oh, yeah, like top 10 players of the week, and you're seeing all these incredible feats of athleticism. It's brilliant, you know.

Yeah, yeah. But there's no context to them. It's just like watching someone do like a magic show or tricks. That's right, yeah. And I love NBA Jam more than I love basketball itself, which is... Yeah. Yeah. So...

What are you going to give basketball out of 10? Oh, look, I'm going to stand with you. I'm going to give it a straight five. All right. We're right on the money together, I think, there. I'm going to go hot dogs. Hot dogs. Hot dogs are the food?

Yeah, yeah. I've been craving a hot dog for a week and I can't find one anywhere. Oh, afterwards, I'm going to give you the... I ordered this hot dog and special fries on Uber Eats two nights ago, and it was unbelievable. The fries were even better, but the hot dog was good. I'll give you the details of the place. It was incredible, man. Please do.

Please do. Yeah. Because there's no – we used to get our hot dogs from Wendy's, which is a particular – I'm sure it's in America, too. I'm sure it's an American company. Yeah, but Wendy's in America is different to Wendy's in Australia. Wendy's in America is a completely different thing. Oh, okay. Anyway, they had hot dogs. Hot dogs and ice cream, and I love their hot dogs different to Wendy's in Australia. Wendy's in America is a completely different thing. Oh, okay. Anyway, they had hot dogs.

Hot dogs and ice cream, and I love their hot dogs. There's none in the city. Australian Wendy's hot dogs are great. Yeah, they are. They are. And I've been craving one. And even the other day, you can go to Ikea, the furniture store, and they have, believe it or not, cheap hot dogs.

And I walked up and the guy goes, I'm sorry, man, we're all out of hot dogs. And I'm like, gosh, this is a massive, massive retailer. So I just only got one, even though they're inferior there. I was just craving one. So I'm still craving one. I love hot dogs. I'll set you up, man. I'll set you up.

I'll give you the name of the place on Uber Eats. I'll put it out there straight away. I love hot dogs. Like, I love hot dogs, especially in America. Hot dogs would be in my top three favourite foods. I mean, just because they're unhealthy, I don't want to be seen to be giving them a 10 because, like, that's just a bad look.

So for that reason, I'm going to give hot dogs a 9.2. I love them. I love them. I love them. Love cheese on them. I love all kinds of hot dogs a uh 9.2 i love them i love them i love them love cheese on them i love all kinds of hot dogs i'm like i could talk i could talk forever i could just continually say i love hot dogs and over and over again but that would be quite boring and we've been recording for quite a while so let me just say thumbs up to hot dogs i know they're a quintessentially um american kind of food in australia the aussie meat pie, which is like a, you know, like a pastry pie thing is sort of our classic thing. And I like a pie, but I've gone off.

That's what I had for lunch today, by the way. Oh, really? Well done, man. Wasn't it what you had for lunch the other day when you arrived? Yeah. What are you going to give them? Well, so the hot dogs, I tell you, I have to say one thing that I found surprising in New York is how small

they are. And that was initially disappointed, Well, so the hot dogs, I tell you, I have to say, one thing that I found surprising in New York is how small they are, and that was initially disappointed, but it turned into a celebration because you get one at one corner, and by the time you get to the next corner, you've eaten it, so you can get another one. Yeah, it's like little hors d'oeuvres to have all the way through the city. It's marvellous. They last one block walking. It's marvellous.

And they make your way all the way downtown. I like hot dogs. And then you can go into restaurants that will do big jumbo ones, but yeah. I'm going to give them nine and a half as well. I'm a big fan. Nine and a half, man. Nine and a half. Yep.

9.5. Ending on a high with hot dogs. All right. And so ends our list. Yes. 20 items. How is the league table looking? Do you want to hear the final league table?

I hope everyone at home has been playing along. If you've been playing along at home, you might want to integrate your scores with ours and divide by three or with our total and divide by two or whatever you like. Do what you like. Do get in touch with your scores. Here is our final league table. Should I go bottom to top or top to bottom bottom to top

build up bottom to top bottom of the table with a mere 4.2 out of 10 jigsaw puzzles yep then we go up to 4.75 the number 23 and then the last one that scored below five with 4.9 was purple, the colour. Yep. Okay. Scoring exactly five at position 17 is basketball. Yep. With six, the Australian Parliament. Oh, yeah.

6.5, the Beverly Hills 90210 graduation episode. Which is quite a good score in retrospect, really. Just above that, we have a tie, both scoring 6.7, is the colour yellow and beaches. Yes. Above that, we're at 6.85, so just above those two, we have eBay scoring around seven out of ten kfc chips just above kfc chips at 7.05 bon jovi the band and something we only just liked more than bon jovi is winter at 7.15 better than winter even is the film Castaway, 7.4.

Just above that at 7.5 is Thursdays. And just above Thursdays at 7.6, The Schuyler Sisters, the song from Hamilton. At 7.75, Milo. Even better than Milo at 7.95, The Big Rocking Horse in Gumaraka. And now the top three. Yes. Scoring 8.5 out of 10, Tom Cruise's appearance in Top Gun.

In second place, scoring a very impressive 9.25, Halley's Comet. Yes. And the only thing better than Halley's Comet, scoring 9.35, hot dogs. I think that's not bad, actually. Is there anything you think there that's terribly out of position in hindsight? Well, the things that jarred a little bit were the, I thought eBay's maybe could come down just a little bit, but then I think, oh, no, no, it's handy.

I'll be on it later, you know, like looking at something. So that's not bad. Basketball maybe could drop down a little bit. I think we both, it's not a bad score. I think jigsaws were pretty hard done by being bottom of the list. Yeah, in retrospect. Yeah. If I was to rate jigsaws and basketball,

I'd, you know, put them a bit closer together. So come up a little bit, come down a little bit, one on the other. The colour purple was also very hard done by because you gave it a two. Yeah. But, you know, if you don't like it, you don't like it. It's our marks out of ten,

so there's going to be a bit of personal uh biases in there there you go i wonder if people could combine all of those activities at once what it would be like like a day doing a jigsaw listening to bon jovi buying the puzzle off ebay the the jigsaw could be of of basketball player Maybe Michael Jordan with the number 23 on You're getting right into it now The best part of course is that you could have some KFC chips And eat a hot dog Which would be great A day ago it was an idea

Now we've made an episode We'll have a listen back and tell us what you think Was it a good idea? Is it a good idea for a podcast? I don't know I think it's a longer idea than i thought it was i thought it was a quick episode you we were like let's do a quick one so you can be home in time to see the family an hour and a half later we're talking about hot dogs

finally what are you going to give that episode out of 10? I give it a good score. I think that's an 8.5 out of 10 episode. I think it was good. I enjoyed it.