The Unmade Podcast - Special: Out of Ten (Again)

Episode Date: October 31, 2021

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Hi everyone, quick pre-show message from Brady. You might want to have a piece of paper and a pen handy or a spreadsheet or something because we're going to be marking things out of tan and we'd love you to mark along with us and maybe share your scores later. So Tim, back in episode 60 we discussed an idea called out of tan where we just marked things out of tan arbitrarily, just anything. You remember that you remember that obviously i do yes it's all coming back to me now yes and then we recorded a special pilot episode of this a special version of it not long afterwards where we actually went through 20 things 10 from each of us marked marked them out of 10, ranked them in order. Fun times. Oh, how we laughed.

I give our laughs an 8 or 9 out of 10 for that episode. So anyway, a lot of people said they enjoyed that episode and have asked us to do it again. And we are men of the people. We listen. We listen. We've responded and we've decided we're going to do it again. So Tim's come up with 10 things. I've come up with 10 things.

We're going to go through them, mark them out of 10. I don't know what Tim has picked. Tim doesn't know what I have picked. It's all going to be a surprise. We'll discuss them. We will rate them. We will rank them. We're all about the hierarchy here.

I've actually got 12 now. I'm looking down my list. Well, you can only have 10 The only trouble is I'll only know the two duds after I've said them So And we're not going to mark them out of 12 alright Don't go getting any ideas Don't change the format

Alright alright I'm pretty happy with my list Right now looking at your list What would you give it out of 10? Well I'm happy with my list Let. Right now, looking at your list, what would you give it out of 10? Well, I'm happy with my list. Let me ask you how you made your list. Were you making it with the podcast in mind, like, oh, this will make for a fun chat? Or did you make it thinking, I'm genuinely interested in what Brady thinks of this?

Or like, what was your criteria for pulling the list together? I sat on the couch and I said to one of my daughters we're doing that 10 thing again and uh she goes oh yeah and i said remind me what was some of the ones from last and she listed off a whole bunch of them from last i was like that's right that's right that's great that's fantastic so she has a phenomenal like brain for our episodes and many of the details are archived away. Right. So then I had literally the closest piece of paper that I had was an envelope. So I've literally written on the back of an envelope.

Nice. Leaning on a novel with a pen, sitting on the couch, and I just looked up at the roof and went, hmm, and then wrote them down. All right. A few suggestions came and one of them down all right a few suggestions came for and one of them is incorporated from this daughter alongside i must say a dare there is a dare you know how will i often put a secret word that i have to put in um i do have a secret word but it's actually framed as a dare and and maybe i'll let you know what the dare is if i manage to pull it off during

the episode right at the end but well i think everyone listening knows by now that you're going to forget but good on you for at least having the spirit at the start well that's right it'll be in the epilogue obviously but bonus bit at the end that we have to record because i've forgotten but all right we'll see how i go who's to go first? Who's going to throw the first one out there? You. Tim, I want a mark out of 10 for belly buttons. Some people are really repulsed by them. I know people that can't even bear to look at them.

Other people might have different attitudes to them. I want to know where you stand on belly buttons. Oh, I'm a huge fan of belly buttons. Oh, yeah. No, I think they're great. Here lies Tim Hine. He was a huge fan of belly buttons. They feel nice.

They tickle. Oh, yeah. No, I think they're hilarious. Hilarious? They're intrinsically, they're an amusing part of the body. You know, the idea, just firstly, the whole miracle around how they come to be that, you know, I've thrown up my whole life to say the doctor just tied a knot and there you are. And I'm like, wow, that's amazing.

And I've looked at that knot. And then every time I've blown up a balloon and I've gone and you have to try and tie a knot, which is one of life's toughest challenges ever, to tie a balloon. I tie it and I always think, oh, man, and imagine a doctor has to do this for life. Like before someone's in the hospital.

Before all the air blows out of the baby. That's right. That's right. We're just going to deflate. So I like that sort of their origin story is amazing, how they come to be. Then they're just sort of tucked in there, a little bit of the belly that's sort of tucked in.

I find them really amusing and quirky and funny. I think they're marvellous. All right. They're wonderful for collecting and gathering crumbs. Fluff and lint. Fluff and lint. Fluff and lint. Depending if you're wearing a shirt or not when you're eating your toast. I might get a shirt with a belly button on the front.

I think it's so great. Just a hole cut there so you can still catch the crumbs. Catch the real belly button under there. Don't get me wrong. I see the cute side of belly buttons, but I think belly buttons can also be a bit sexy. Oh, hello. Don't get me wrong, I see the cute side of belly buttons But I think belly buttons can also be a bit sexy Oh, hello Don't you?

I mean, not yours probably Not mine No Can I tell you a story? I grew up believing that my dad had three belly buttons He was like the Tatooine of belly buttons Like in Star Wars with the two sons Three belly buttons That's right You used to, like in Star Wars with the two sons.

Three belly buttons. That's righty. You used to just stare looking at them with the Luke Skywalker music playing in the background. He was, in fact, their homes on Star Wars are a bit like big belly buttons in the surface, aren't they, of Tatooine? Because there's sort of big holes with them down there. But Dad had this heart operation, like open heart surgery when when i was about three and a half or so and because he had a massive heart attack so then they sewed him up afterwards and so they had this massive zipper down the front of his chest which was amazing like dad had a zipper sort of scar and then um associated with the bits as well just

above his belly button like if you imagine on on you know, the belly button is a nose, it's like two little eyes just above it. So it was just like this funny little face looking out. But I used to love to say my dad has three belly buttons. The man with three belly buttons would be a good episode title. What are you going to give belly buttons out of 10? I feel like I can't go with a 10 early because it leaves me nowhere to go. So I need to think of something negative about them in order to...

You do get some not nice ones. I would say, well, let me preface this by saying, look, I like my belly button, but I don't really like other male belly buttons. So I'm going to take a couple of scores off for all the men out there and their belly buttons and give an eight out of ten an eight i mean that's roughly half the world's belly buttons you've dissed there but all right yes well don't take it personally anyone everyone but um do animals have belly buttons they must wear animal belly buttons because obviously there's no one to tie a knot, but they must have umbilical cords.

What happens to animal belly buttons? They must do. It's just fun saying belly button, isn't it? It's funny that there's no more technical name that's thrown around and used as commonly. Well, there's navel. Is that the general area or is it specifically what it is, the navel? I think the actual whole part is called the navus. Right.

I've made that up oh did you it was funnier in my head than when i said out loud but i was just gonna believe it hook line and sinker i love that belly button which is two words and you know with a hyphen like it's a longer word than like navel so easy easy to say but we go with belly button. And even doctors refer to it as your belly button. And it's such a funny term. Benny button. It's not even a button, is it? Why isn't it called your, you know, little, your stomach knot or your, you know what I mean?

Your tummy tie or something else. What are you going to give the belly button? I'm going to give the belly button 7.6. Oh, very specific. Well, I guess you've had time to think about it. No, I just like using all the decimal points so we get more granularity in our rankings. You're more a round number kind of guy.

I went with 8.0. All right, then. Which gives the belly button an average of 7.8 Which ranks it just above Milo from our last episode And just below the big rocking horse We still love the big rocking horse More than belly buttons Maybe if the big rocking horse had a belly button

It'd be a 10 The belly button has already gone to number four on our all-time list. Well, it's been around a while. My turn. Okay, my first item on the list that I would like you to score out of 10 is the iPod. Do you remember the iPod? Yes, the original iPod. Do you remember the iPod? Yes, the original iPod. Some people, some listeners may only know the iPad or the iPhone, but predating them is the iPod, which I think was, well, let me not talk about it. Let me go defer to you. I won't influence your score. What score would you

give the iPod? I remember when I first heard of the iPod, I'd just moved to England and my brother-in-law wanted to, was about to buy one and was telling me about it. And he was saying it can play music. And I was like, oh yeah, cool. So that's a bit like a cassette player. And he said, yeah, but it can store data. It doesn't even have to just be music. It could store like, you know, just information, like a hard drive. And I just couldn't see the point of it. I thought it was the most pointless invention. I was like, I can't see really the usefulness of this. But then when he got one, you know, when he got the one, you know, it had the click wheel and a screen. I did think this is the future.

This is cool. And obviously it led to so much. So it's obviously an item of historic importance as well. Let me hear what you think of the iPod before I give it a score. I'm a big fan of the iPod. I lament its passing. I think it's one of the great inventions of history. And it's a shame that it's lasted such a short amount of time

compared to the vinyl album or CDs or cassettes. I think it's marvellous. Its genius was first revealed to me one day when I went to the gym. And for some weird reason, like I took my Walkman, my old Walkman which had Guns N' Roses sticker on it and I'd had for like 15 years or something, and I didn't just take one cassette. For some reason I took like several cassettes with me to the gym. So I had one playing in the Walkman,

but then I took like a couple of spares in case I wanted to listen to those albums instead. Yeah. So I remember being on the running machine and what are they called? Treadmill. A running treadmill. Very good, yes. Yeah, yeah.

And I was running along and decided to change cassettes while I was running on this album. So I open up the Walkman, click without, take the cassette out, sit it on something, reach over, pull out another cassette, open the cover, try and get in, and then drop it, and boom, it flies off the gym. Off the back of the gym. And I slow the thing down and have to go back and retrace.

And I just remember looking up at other people in the gym and them looking at me shaking their head. And I realized, why have I brought my whole sort of tape collection to the gym? And then seeing someone with an iPod and going, that's genius. That's what I need. I need one of those. You looked over to the treadmill next to you and there was some guy changing a record on

a record player that he had balanced on the handle. Do you know why the iPod was also so much needed? Because when CDs overtook cassettes, you started getting those Discman and Discman were never good. They were never a good shape. Yeah. And also, they also, a good shape yeah and also they also a lot of the time weren't very good at being moved and rocked so the ipod was necessary

i had a discman but for that very reason i didn't take it to the gym i actually went looking and found my my walkman i thought i'll take the walkman this is the way this is the way of the future the more interesting thing to me is what is this incredibly small window of time when you were suddenly going to the gym all the time? I've never known this part of your life. That's the bit of the story that's unbelievable. The true story was you were in KFC changing cassettes and you couldn't do it with your greasy fingers.

It's like, hang on, I need an iPod. Yeah, I loved it. I bought it, had it for, well, years and years until I had an iPhone. I thought it was fantastic. It was great. You didn't have to worry about Wi-Fi and all those sorts of things and data and things. It was just all on there from the laptop and loads of songs in your pocket.

It was wonderful. I give it a nine. I think the iPod gets a nine from me. What about you? I would have given it an eight, but I'm going to take off one point just because Apple's so far up its own ass and give it a seven, which gives an average of eight just above the belly button. Wow.

Yeah. Even better than the big rocking horse. Who would have thought the iPod was a better invention than the big rocking horse? Who would have thought? But it is below Tom Cruise on our list. Tom Cruise is still better than the iPod. But that's only Tom Cruise in Top Gun, though, isn't that right? Not Tom Cruise.

Cruise generally. All right. Do you know what would have happened if Apple were in charge of the belly buttons? They would have repositioned it by now. It'd be on the back instead of the front. Yeah. Like they did with the headphone jacks, yeah. Yeah, they would have changed the shape.

I don't have a belly button. I connected to my mum through Bluetooth. All right. Next on my list, I don't know if you've been to this place, is the city of Paris. Yes, I have, yeah. That's all right. Then that puts you in an even stronger position to rate the city of Paris out of 10.

I have only been to Paris once, I think. I went with some friends. We went on the train through the Channel, you know, from London. We had a fantastic time. Having just been there for a few days all you do is the really wonderful fun stuff so i can't not rate it really high we went to the louvre you know what i mean all the typical things we went to notre dame i went to shakespeare and co bookshop and bought a book and all the things you know that you kind of do in paris you sort of

eat and find your way around. Went to Versailles. Had a fantastic time. I think it's one of the funnest three days of my life. It was with my wife and with some friends. What was a reason not to give it a 10? Probably that it just – so that's just my experience of it. I have to say it was pretty dirty. It was way – like the subway and so forth was far dirtier than New York.

That is a complaint a lot of people have about Paris. They find it a bit dirty and smelly. It's never been a big complaint of mine, but I have heard it before. It doesn't detract from it in a sense because it's an old city. So you're not expecting it to be up to scratch, but it is the more modern things that look run down. Whereas obviously the cobbled streets just look ancient and wonderful. And if they have, you know what I mean, some dirt everywhere, who cares?

But gosh, it's hard to score out of 10. I think Paris is one of the greatest cities in the world in all ways. I think it's got almost everything going for it. It's very beautiful. It's got a great selection of top, top shelf landmarks, your Eiffel Towers, Arc de Triomphe. I literally forgot about the Eiffel Tower. Yeah. I think it's got so much going for it. The sort of ceremonial part in the centre where

the Champs-Élysées is and all the famous museums is very walkable, which is nice, but it also has, you know, suburbs and further out areas. I think it's got a bit of everything. I know Parisian people have a reputation for being a bit rude. I have not particularly found that myself in all the times I've been there. No, no, no. Quite the opposite. Yeah. I think it's in my, probably in my top three best cities in the world, and I'm going to give it 8.9. Well, I'll go a bit further. I'll say 9.1. Okay.

You've been to more cities than me, so yours is perhaps a more informed view, but I thought it was blissful. One of my daughters is also obsessed by it and is longing to go there and has multiple pictures of the Eiffel Tower and is a bit of there and has multiple pictures of the Eiffel Tower and has is a bit of a Francophile from afar so that sort of endears it to us as well we can't wait to get there and we were planning to go before COVID and all the rest of it so it also feels

like a somehow it feels small as well like it feels like you said you can walk everywhere it feels like a small city even though it obviously is vast and goes on and on and on. Excellent. That's an 8.9 and a 9.1 for an average of nine, rating it above Tom Cruise, surpassed only by Halley's Comet. I thought it was important for us to fit in a Tom Hanks film here at some stage. And I was thinking, which Tom Hanks film sort of calls forth a strong opinion and i'm going to go with and so i want you to rate for me the film catch me if you can oh okay leonardo dicaprio and tom hanks what do you think we did cast away last time by the way in the last episode we did cast away so this time catch You Can. Now, I've only seen this once.

Oh, this is the one where he pretends to be a pilot, isn't it? What was the real pilot's name? Frank Abagnale or something was the guy, wasn't it? Very good. Or is it Frank the Father, maybe? So this is the film where Leonardo DiCaprio plays like a guy who pretends to be a pilot and he's a bit of a fraudster and forges checks and Tom Hanks is the uh the investigator trying to trying to

catch this crook on the run you know it's hard because I've only seen it once and it was so long ago the fact I haven't gone back to it I thought it was very middle of the road that film very middle I mean Leonardo DiCaprio is quite a charismatic actor and I remember him being pretty charismatic in this film and And it had some funny moments. I thought it was one of Tom Hanks' more average meh efforts. He wasn't particularly memorable in it. He was very much a straight man. So, I don't think it got the best out of Tom.

I'm going to give this film six and a half. Right. Right. Well, for me, I would, after first viewing, have agreed with you. Because this is a film that has grown in my estimation with repeated viewings. And I find myself thinking about it from time to time. It's really stuck with me. I thought at first it was just a medium sort of film.

Oh, this is quite good. And there's really that relied on the quirks of the fact that he's able to pretend to be a doctor and pretend to be a pilot and that's just – and there's sort of the golden thread that it's kind of based on a true story as well, which makes it a bit more amazing too. As I've watched it a few more times, largely because I've just stumbled across it on TV, I think it's a really marvellous film. And I think a couple of reasons come to mind. One is, firstly, I really don't like Leonardo DiCaprio as an actor.

I think he looks like kind of a man-child and doesn't look convincing when he plays adult characters. So I like that in this film he's actually playing a young guy pretending to be an old person. So it's kind of in some ways his quintessential character. I like that. So I do actually like him in it because he's pretending to be older than he is. The main reason, though, is I think it really works, the way that he's trying to – the insecurity of his father who never achieved what he wanted to and the pressure he puts on his son.

And so his son pretends to be doing great things and his father knows that he's not really, but he goes along with it. So they live in this sort of delusion of greatness and I think that's really interesting and really insightful, a dynamic between fathers and sons. And I like the fun bits, how it plays out and how he gets so close to catching him and I won't spoil it in case folks haven't seen it but it's a really intriguing film that's grown in my estimation

and it's grown enough to be about a 7.8 for me. Done. 7.8. That's an average of 7.15. Please don't let it be above Castaway. It's not. 7.15. And we gave Castaway 7.4.

All right. All right. Nice. Next on my list, I've got a food for you. Yeah. I want you to rate corn on the cob. Oh, that's a good one. Corn on the cob. Just a nice hot corn on the cob, maybe a bit of melted butter and salt rubbed over it. A lot of melted butter is what you need to say. Okay, let's be honest. Lots of butter. Corn on the cob is one of those foods that you never, you never know you're

in the mood for until it's put down in front of you and then you're like you give it a standing ovation and dive in like why do we not have this more often this is amazing this is amazing and it sort of goes with anything no matter what you're having it's like oh oh this oh hang on what's that down the end of the table oh here, here we go. This is fantastic. It's easy to cook, steam. I think the things that go against it, it's not that easy to prepare because it's quite cumbersome. It's quite big. And also it has a lot of volume and weight for how much actual food you get off it.

Yes. It's a bit like lobster in that way where you see a lobster and you think, oh, this is going to be the greatest meal of all time. And then you spend hours with like a pair of tweezers trying to get some meat out of it. Corn on the cob is a little bit like, oh my God, this is so much food. And then you eat it and you're like, oh, there's still this huge big cob left behind that I'm getting no pleasure from. But do you know what I love doing is using that cob like to clean the plate of gravy and then suck all the gravy out of the cob. It's the only sponge that it's acceptable to suck all the juice out of. Yes, that's true.

How thorough are you with leaving individual corn kernels on the cob? Like, if there's one yellow one there, will you think, okay, you're lucky you got away with it? Or do you come back for a second swoop and like, nah, you're all going? No, no, no, no. It's all perfectly clean. I couldn't possibly. I'm tempted. If people leave some on their plates, I'm tempted to reach across and go, I'm sorry, ma'am, you can't just leave that mess there.

It looks all untidy. You've got to clean them perfectly. Yeah, got to do the full typewriter action across back and forward, back and forward. There are also two different types of people in the way they eat it. Let's assume they're going to eat all the kernels, right? They're going to eat all the yellow bits. There are people that eat them and then the cob looks like it's almost been shaved with a razor. And there are others who just leave lots of fluffiness, lots of that kind of membrane that holds that like.

So there are obviously two different styles of eating the corn that are going down here. This one that leaves behind a big fluffy cob and the ones that leave behind this razor, razor fine cob. There are also those psychopaths who stand it on its end with a knife and like shave off the corn first and then eat it with a spoon, which I think is crazy behaviour. You should just be buying a tin of sweet corn if you're going to do that. That's right. That's right. I know, but I've seen it done. I've seen it done in my own house.

That's an abomination. I know. All right. All right. What are we going to give a corn on a cob out of 10 then? So this is not corn generally. This is a corn on the cob. Corn on the cob.

A bit of butter on it, eating it in front of me. Yeah. Yeah, corn on the cob as a side, you know, as a side with your meal. Hmm. Yeah. Look, I would give it a 7.9, I'll say. How's that? To vary a little bit.

Yep. It feels like an 8. Whoa. But you only have one and you only have it every now and then. Yeah, 7.9. And it gets between your teeth and like I talked about, it's cumbersome to cook. It's a lot of weight in your shopping basket for how much food you get. Don't they make iPhones out of corn?

Corn goes into all sorts of things, doesn't it? I don't know about that. I'm going to go 7.7. 7.7 for me. Can you imagine having just corn on the cob just as your meal? Like having like, you know, five cobs, like someone just serving up a plate gun. There you go. There's dinner. It's just corn on the cob. Just work your way through that.

The other thing we haven't talked about, of course, is the digestion issues with corn on the cob. You know, sometimes it makes its way through the system reasonably intact oh right right i've not done that level of research myself but that's great that you have the if we give audrey our chihuahua a little bit of corn she sometimes has it and then when you have to pick up her poopies later on you get corny poos ah like when my bean bag exploded as a kid and my dog ate the yeah the little beans inside yeah it would be fun to have a bean bag just full of like corn like hey did you ever have at home those little forky things that go in the end you know those tiny forks you prick them in each end to hold them yes they've

kind of gone out of fashion it feels like like i don't i would never think to have them anymore but there was a time back in the sort of the 90s where you had to have them i remember we had two types as well we had these yellow ones that had two metal spikes on the end like almost like pins and they would very easily go in and we also had these plastic ones where the bit you were sticking in was just a quite broad piece of plastic and that never that never slid into the edges of the corn quite as well as the thin metal pins no that doesn't sound like good design we had the pins and were the handles little mini corns or were they other things were they like windmills or something because you know they were just plastic and i bet you a billion dollars if i went over to

my mum's and opened her drawer they would be in there like several of them an odd number obviously like five but because one would have got lost but um there's a sort of thing she would still have in a cutlery drawer well interestingly corn on the cob scored 7.8, exactly the same as the belly button. Oh, wow. Piece of corn being one of the things that can often find itself into the belly button if you're eating without your shirt on. What kind of frenzy of eating are you doing? I'll tell you one thing.

You need to eat more often with your shirt on, that's for sure. I'm the Anthony Kiedis of dinner time. All right, what have you got? I'm going to ask you to judge my beard. Ooh, as it stands right now. Yep. I'm liking the beard on you. You can be honest.

You can be honest. No, no, no, I am being honest. What, you think I spare your feelings? You can be honest. No, no, no. I am being honest. What, you think I spare your feelings? No, I'm liking the beard on you.

It's kind of a bit scraggy, but I kind of think that works. And it sort of matches your haircut at the moment. You know, the sort of the scraggy unkemptness of it is matching what you're doing with your hair you could probably do a little bit of maintenance in the neck area but that's that's a hard area to conquer when doing the beard knowing how how because if you do it too neat and have two neat lines around your neck it kind of looks a bit i don't know it looks a bit weird so you do need to get the right level of it's a bit like the the undone shirt and the tie draped over your shoulders jazz singer we discussed last episode. A beard is a hard thing to look like. You're not trying too hard, but you are getting it right.

There's a few patches that could do with a bit more hair, but, you know. There are definitely some patches. Like, if I was colouring in a picture of myself to have a beard, I would be colouring a bit more darker in a few areas. I don't mean it's grey. I quite like it. When it gets a bit longer, there's a bit of grey in it, and I quite like that. I just mean it's not even.

There's some patchy bits in different places. I'm going to give your beard seven. All right. That's a good mark. Yeah, that's pretty good, yeah. What are you giving your beard, more importantly? Well, I give it a 10, obviously. I look fabulous.

You're giving it a 10 obviously i look fabulous you're giving it a 10 no i i like having the beard i love not shaving i like being a bit scruffy i kind of like that as well i'll give it a six it could be a lot better there's a lot better beards around i think yours is much better you've got a real e beards. I think yours is much better. You've got a real Ewan McGregor kind of thing going on there. Oh, thanks, man. I don't know about that. I don't know about that. But that means your beard has scored exactly the same score, 6.5, as the Beverly Hills 90210 graduation episode,

which somehow feels right. Well, there we go. Yeah. Beverly Hills 90210 graduation episode, which somehow feels right. Well, there we go. Yeah, yeah. You have the Beverly Hills 90210 graduation episode of beards. I was just saying in the hairdresser yesterday, she was saying,

would you like me to trim your beard? Oh, I see you've got a 90210. I went, yep. She goes, that's looking very 90210. I was like, well, thank you. Here's the next one from me. This is going to be hard for you to rate because you're in Adelaide, so you don't see this very often. But I want to mark out of 10 for rain.

Rain, yeah. Look, I do like rain, yes. We've had a bit last week in particular. But you're right, we're in the driest city in the driest continent on earth, as they say. So we don't see a lot of it. So generally when it comes, that means we're happy to see it. It's very welcome. It doesn't overstay its welcome.

It has a lovely, I love the smell in the air just before rain comes particularly on the asphalt and the road and stuff that's a wonderful that's the the smell of rain is like the smell of renewal it's good i quite like riding in the rain or running in the rain walking in the rain that feels quite exhilarating i know that it's a good thing like everyone's you know farmers and people a lot of people rely on it so that's a good i, I'm a big, big fan of rain. It's sometimes annoying. So I guess that takes off a little bit. Look, I'd give rain nine and a half.

Wow. Oh, hang on a second. We had, it can be a bit annoying with, no, no, no. I was just thinking about, we had a small leak on the side of our apartment. It turns out there's just a light fitting that wasn't well sealed to the wall. But that was sealed and it's all fixed and there's no great problem. And it's not the rain's fault. It's the seal that, you know, got worn down.

So I shouldn't hold it against the rain. All right. Well, I'm a big fan of rain as well. I'm a big fan of rain as well. I'm a big fan of rain. More often when I'm inside. But there are a few nicer feelings than being on holiday and being in some cottage or something. And a big storm comes in and you hear the rain smashing the roof. And you're rugged up inside with a nice big quilt or something like that.

Oh, yeah. And also now that I have, you know, a garden of my own, a house with a garden, I get that grown-up pleasure you get of seeing your plants outside, drinking the rain, thinking, oh, good for the garden, good for the plants. What do I... There are two things I don't like about rain. One is quite similar to you.

Because I live in quite an old house, it can be susceptible to intrusion. And sometimes there's that feeling that, oh oh i hope there's no leak anywhere i hope this isn't going to breach the house and end up costing me a lot of time and money and the only other problem with rain is when it interrupts cricket because you can't play cricket in the rain and so yeah you know if you're looking if you if you're like really excited about settling in for watching a big day of cricket and then you see them pull the covers out over the pitch and you think there's not going to be any cricket today. Yeah.

That's a real bummer. Or the Grand Prix a few weeks ago. Grand Prix was pretty much abandoned. They did have a token couple of races. That's true. A Grand Prix abandoned because of rain is bad. But a Grand Prix raced in the rain is the best. Yes.

Just enough for them to start it is just what we want rain and Formula One is a good thing so um that's true so uh and rain you know rain does cause a lot of hardship for people and the parts of England particularly parts of England I'm close to you get a lot of flooding when it rains and that can cause a lot of I actually have a recurring dream and it just occurred to me. I had this dream last night. It came back to me just then. Maybe I had it because it rained here a lot last night, so I was hearing the rain. But I have a recurring dream that my house is flooding from the bottom floor up and it can sometimes go up a few floors and I have to swim underwater to go to the floors down below and look around. So flooding is quite an anxiety inducing thing.

So I'm going to dock off some points off rain for that. And I'm going to give rain 8.1. Did I give you a score? 9.5, was it? You gave rain 9.5 for a total of 8.8, which is a very high score above Tom Cruise. We will include links to the scorecards and everything in the show notes, by the way. Yes.

If you want to go and check things out afterwards. But you might not want to look early because of spoilers. And comparing your own scores. Netflix. What do you think of Netflix? You're catching me at a good time because I've been enjoying a few Netflix shows lately. Sex Education I've been enjoying a few Netflix shows lately. Sex Education, I've been enjoying.

I really enjoyed Squid Game. You're catching me at a Netflix high. My only real complaint about Netflix is sometimes they shove things down your throat a bit and show you trailers a bit too often and start the next show a bit quickly. They're a little bit greedy in that way. But I think Netflix is kicking goals at the moment and i'm going to give it an eight wow i think if we had a snapshot of netflix when we were young and to get a film we had to go down to the video store and pay six dollars and bring the cassette home and play it

and you know i think we would our brains would explode with excitement that we can sit at home and there's just, you know, hundreds and hundreds of television series and films. So I think to some degree from the perspective of me as a kid, it's like a 10. It's unbelievable. There's a couple of things that I find annoying. On the main menu, like you just turn it on and you're flicking through, there's usually advertising at the top and that's got sound. So some stupid drama is blaring at me when I'm flicking around. So, I have to mute the TV before I go browsing. You mean advertising for their other shows, not advertising for Coca-Cola.

No, indeed. The other thing I find annoying is that they use different images than the traditional movie poster as the icon for the film. They also change them really often. They do. It's to make the screen seem fresh, I think, and not the same movies all the time because they change them all the time. I think that's true, but I don't like it.

I would rather I'm a bit of a traditionalist. I'm like, oh, what's that doing there? That doesn't seem right. I would like the traditional movie poster. But that's a sort of a personal choice and so forth yeah i find their their range a bit limiting so it's it trends towards you know a hollywood and america and i'd like to see some different kinds of international stuff but that sounds a bit pretentious to say and there are other streaming places that i go to for that so from the eyes of of a kid looking at it i think netflix is

an 8.5 and that's what you, I think Netflix is an 8.5. And that's what you're going to go with? An 8.5? You got it. All right. A mark out of 10 for the planet Mercury in the solar system. Now, Mercury is one of the only two between us and the sun, is that right? It is, yes.

It's the nearest to the sun. It's nearer to the sun than venus and that's all i know about that's all you know about it do you know like what it looks like or what it you know what it looks like it looks like a little red dot on a on a picture i don't know specifically like if you showed me all the planets in a police lineup i couldn't pick it out it looks a lot like the moon it's a it's a very barren gray rocky small sphere with lots of craters on it and i think mercury is a bit of an unsung hero because all the glamour of the planets usually goes to ones that are further away because they're i don't know partly because i think they're

further away and distant and mysterious and the thing i like about mercury is i feel it's a bit like it's hiding in plain sight because it's hiding in the glare of the sun. We kind of have forgotten about it and neglected it for a long time. Only now we're starting to send probes there and go and have a closer look at it. And you know, when you're playing hide and seek, like there are people that will go into really far away and complicated hiding places and they're hard to find,

but there'll always be some genius that will hide just like a metre away from you, like in a place you'd never think to look because it was so obvious. And I think they're like the kings of hide and seek. And I think Mercury's a bit like that. It's kind of like it's hiding in this really cool place, like right near us, but near the sun. And it's quite cool because when it transits the sun, we get to see it in quite a cool way that we don't get to see other planets other than Venus. You see this black

dot transiting and it played a key role in understanding relativity because observations of it were very important in science. I think it's like an unsung hero and I think it's making a comeback. And I'm going to give Mercury 8.4. What do you think of the name Mercury? Well, Mercury was the messenger, wasn't he? And he moved very quickly and that's why it's named because it's the one that moves the fastest across the sky. Mercury is the fastest moving planet because the closer you are to the sun, the quicker you do your orbits. So, Mercury is a very fast moving planet. So, I think it's a very appropriate name. It obviously causes a lot of confusion with the element Mercury,

the metal, but that's not Mercury's fault. I think it's a pretty cool name. I've already forgotten the score I gave it. What did I give it? 8.4, was it? Well, I find it hard to judge because I feel like I'm judging someone that I've not met. I don't know a lot about Mercury.

The picture of Mercury I have in my mind is of when we had the planets all sort of hanging from the roof at school. Full respect for being that close to the sun all the time. I mean, that's pretty hot. I mean, talking about, you know, there's no rain. Endless summer. No, that's right. Lucky.

I mean, must look forward to nighttime every day. The night side of Mercury is incredibly cold because it hasn't got an atmosphere to like a blanket to keep the planet insulated. So actually, when you're facing away from the sun, it's still quite cold. Really? Even though it's that close? Oh, wow. So you could stand sort of somewhere in between and it'd be quite comfortable. You'd have like a big sunburn on one side of your face A very severe sunburn

And the other side would be frozen off Look Mercury I'm going to have to go with Probably just a 7 I'm pretty indifferent to be honest Well that's very generous of you in the circumstances No 6.5 then Okay sorry Mercury

I just cost you half a point Which gives Mercury a total of 7.45, ranking it just below Thursday, the day. I'm going to go with something quite vast. I would like for you to rate out of 10, art. Oh, gosh. out of 10 art oh gosh now i'm gonna give it a low mark right what yeah there's a lot of bad art i guess yeah there's a lot of art that's dragging the rest of it down because obviously art is incredibly vast and there's a lot of art i really like. I consider some of what I do to be, some parts of what I do to be a form of art. And, you know, and movies and things like that, that I quite like are an art form. And there's some paintings I like. But there is also just a whole culture around art. And I'm a big advocate of art, by the way. And I'm a big advocate of

government money being spent on it. And, you know, I think the arts are really important and I will always fight for the arts to be given an important status. But a lot of it doesn't speak to me. I don't know. What have you got in your mind when I say art? Like, what? Is there a painting or a person? What have you got in your mind when I say art?

Like, what? Is there a painting or a person? Just like posy people in the backyard making weird sculptures and like, you know. Wearing skivvies. Yeah. I think art is the reason for humans to exist, right? Like, the creativity and the creation of artistic things is the most important thing humans do. I do believe that. And people who say we shouldn't spend money on the arts and we should spend more of it on science and medicine and things like that. I say the reason that medicine exists and medical care

exists isn't just so we can live longer and have more heartbeats. It's so we can live longer to do things like art. So, I'm 100% for art, but like any huge endeavour, like religion, for example, you know, there's a lot of bad people in religion that give religion a bad name. Art has that too. I'm going to give art 6.8. I just gave all of art a 6.8. Wow. So you rate Tom Cruise in Top Gun higher than art. Well, that is art. What are you going to give art? How do you even mark art?

He's obviously not dragging art down. No. Oh, dear. you gonna give up how do you even mark her he's obviously not dragging art down no oh dear it feels like all the good art is inaccessible and is attached to things like pretension and all the bad art well it's just bad so it's so art as a whole gets a bad rap because of artists um but you're right and it's right at the heart of human endeavor And the way it commingles with money has become quite weird too, you know, the value of art, and it's all a bit corrupted, but still interesting.

Go on then. Work me towards you, Mark. I should have thought about my score beforehand. I just thought it was a good thing to try and rate, which it is. Why wouldn't I give it a 10? Hmm. I think that even bad attempts of art are often genuine. And so I'm going to do a bit better than you.

I'm going to give art a nine. I'm just going to take off one point for the Limp Bizkit albums and rubbish like that that get coughed up out of humanity every now and then. Minus one for Coldplay. That means art scores 7.9. That sounds about right. That puts art just below the big rocking horse in Gumaracka. One of the great sculptures of modern art.

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All right. Coca-Cola. This is a bit of a dilemma. Where do you stand on Coca-Cola? I very rarely drink Coca-Cola. But every now and then i do and it's freaking unbelievable well then why do you not drink it more often well because it's full of sugar and i have i have some ethical questions about the company okay um to be honest yeah and that's

all part of the commodification and so forth so i. So, if I get one, which sometimes, you know, I guess it will be in, I get a Coke no sugar. So, there's no sugar. But I know. Coke Zero is what? Coke Zero is my Coke of choice at the moment. I prefer Coke Zero to Diet Coke. I think it's nicer. Yeah.

Yeah. They don't call it Coke Zero over here anymore. They call it Coke no sugar. They don't call it Coke Zero over here anymore. They call it Coke No Sugar. But what I tend to do is if I'm ordering, you know, like a meal at Macca's and they say, what drink do you want? I usually say I'll have a Coke No Zero.

So I've turned into that dad that messes up the name. Look, I can't have too much of it. I have a little bit and it's pretty amazing like it's like a hit i guess it's just the sugar hit and you know it tastes good but a whole can is a lot i wouldn't have it twice in a day you know so that brings it down a little bit and i do have ethical issues so i'm gonna give it a five okay i mean i feel bad giving it a high score after, you know, you've been Mr. Worthy over there. Yeah, I know. Mr. Wet Blanket. And I don't want to go too high because it is like, you know, it is just a soft drink and a big multinational company.

But I do drink a lot of it. It brings me pleasure. You know, an ice cold Coke from the can hitting the back of your throat. I'm going to give Coke seven. Look, it's no iced coffee, but... Farmer's Union iced coffee. It is nice. So that means Coca-Cola has scored the same as Australia's Parliament House from our previous episode.

I imagine there's a heck of a lot of Coke that is consumed inside the Parliament House. That place would run on caffeine. All right. What have you got for us next? I'm going to say stay in the culinary department and ask you fish, like cooked fish as a meal. How do you rate fish? Do you ever order fish off the menu? What fish do you like?

But fish generally. I like fish. I think fish is nice to eat but ordering fish or cooking fish is very very high risk for what you're going to get you don't know if what they bring out to you is going to be delicious and one of the best meals you've ever had or a bit tasteless or not very nice. You don't know what it's going to look like. Is it going to have bones? It's too unpredictable. It's too risky. And when you're at a restaurant, the one thing you don't want to do is order the wrong meal

and look at everyone else's meal and think, oh, I got the dud. And I think if you order fish, there's a high risk of getting the dud. And it's very rare that I'll be at a restaurant with a group of people and we'll all order our different meals and one person will order fish and i'll look at the person who ordered fish and think oh i really wish i had that i don't often get food envy at the person that ordered fish i don't often cook fish at home the only fish i reliably like and it's still something i don't order that often is like fish and chips you know fried fried battered fish with chips which is you know classic meal and you can't go wrong there but that's because it's fried and anything fried is good so that's right i actually didn't think of

that but yeah i would rate i rate fish and chips way higher than i rate fish but yeah i'm gonna rate fish as a meal like eating fish four and a half whoa yep that's not counting prawns prawns are my favorite food so prawns prawns would be a nine prawns would be a nine but but fish in general i'm thinking of like conventional fish here and i'm going a four and a half i think fish fall into that category that i eat to feel worthy like righteous like if okay like i'm doing the right thing here no coca-cola for me please i want fish but eating fish is incredibly fraught when it comes to ethics and the way way we fish our waters and things like that that's like one of the great scandals. Oh, no, that's true. Yes.

Yes. Okay, I'll factor that in. To be fair, I'll factor that into my calculations as well this time. My wife would eat fish for every meal. It's her favourite thing. And she never orders something other than fish when we go out. It's always the fish. She loves it.

She's like the opposite of me. Yes. She's the yin to my yang. That's right. And I'm the same. I rarely look at it and go, oh, jeez, I wish I'd got that instead of my big juicy steak or something. So I'm not a big wrap on fish.

I do like it if it's really well done. And there's a new beautiful big fish restaurant we went to the other night. We ordered a massive sort of, you know, barramundi between us and really enjoyed it. And that was great. But I still think I would have enjoyed a steak more or something else. So I admire it. I feel righteous when I eat it because it's because of the health factor. As in, you know, like, oh, I'm eating something healthy now.

Yes. Yes. But I would give fish a 6.8. For a total of 5.65. And on our all-time leaderboard, that ranks eating fish below Coca-Cola, but above the sport of basketball. Yeah, totally. Basketball sucks. All right. of basketball yeah yeah totally basketball sucks all right next from me is a much beloved film i've also got a film on my list the shawshank redemption

oh wow this is a toughie because this is like the most beloved film ever, I think, now. Many people's favourite film. Yes. High on my list. Great film. Yeah, yeah. Famously, the film we didn't see at the cinema because we went and saw Dumb and Dumber for the second time. But then we watched it. I remember watching it at your house on video later on. Great film.

Yes. A film that was not overly celebrated at the time. It was nominated for Best Picture but didn't win but has grown in estimation over the years. Let me ask you this, right? Maybe this will make it easier to rate it. Why take points off it? What's not good about it?

It's very long but I never feel like it's too long. I never wish it was over but other than other than its length i mean all the performances are good maybe the guy who plays the young you know elvis like prisoner who comes later on his acting performance maybe isn't quite as strong as the others uh he's a bit of a weak link but but full of great acting performances. It doesn't do anything wrong. No, it is a pretty flawless film. And I like that it's long because it means there's a length to him being in jail. So that sort of makes sense.

And the story is taken seriously. It has sort of multiple endings and the ending drags on. But they're all satisfying. I'm not 100% satisfied by the ending. Okay. It doesn't totally do it for me. Okay. It drags a little bit and then it doesn't totally explode for me.

I'll tell you one point where the film drags for me. Yeah. When the old guy that has the pet bird gets let out of prison and can't handle it's necessary to the film right it's really necessary to the film because it it then gives context to when red gets out of prison and will he go down the same path make the same mistakes or make the same decisions so it's necessary but at that point in the film i'm beginning to think come on come on crack on a bit yeah yeah and i think for

me i mean i don't know if we're allowed to do spoilers here or not this is a bit difficult with some i just do it younger listeners spoilers coming i think i always think when red gets out what what's he dilly-dallying about for why the hell doesn't he just go straight away like it's like to the tree yeah yeah yeah just go like why would you be oh what should i do well it's because he has to skip parole it's because he has to skip parole to do it i think oh why doesn't he do i think he needs to sort of at first he's doing the right thing and doesn't want to skip parole but then he thinks oh they're not going to miss me if i skip parole oh okay i've missed that element so he's taking a risk at the end i thought it's like you're out

what are you doing hanging around he says he says they're not gonna he says you know they're not gonna throw up any roadblocks for an old guy like me so the other thing i'd say is and that's that's due to this film it's not the fault of this film though the morgan freeman voiceover thing has become a bit of a cliche now i don't think there could be another film where there's a morgan freeman voiceover you know setting context that would it's happened too many times there's be another film where there's a morgan freeman voiceover you know setting context that would it's happened too many times there's been there's been there's been a few since but yeah with him doing it yeah but yeah so i think that's that's but that's but that wasn't a cliche at the time it's um it's become since so it's a good film i think it's a 10 out of 10 film

that that ending notwithstanding if i was rating if I was writing a review of the film, I'd say, yeah, this is, I don't know what else you want to do with cinema than this. It talks about grace. It talks about hope. It talks about all sorts of wonderful, deep stuff. Everyone acts genuinely. Yeah, it's a good film. Jeez, why wouldn't you give it a 10?

Are you going to give it a 10? I'm not, but that's just because i always believe in leaving room for improvement you know other than hallie's comma i gave hallie's comma 10 but i'm but i'm gonna give the sure-shrink redemption a nine and a half because you're right like like for what it is a film you know there are probably only five films I like more, maybe. And, you know, out of the countless millions of films that get made. So, you know, what am I going to, what am I going to, how can I give it lower? I'll give it, look, I'll pull it back to a 9.7.

Really? With that ending stuff. But I tell you, do you know how, do you know how Hayley's comment could be improved? Is it every time it came, it had a Morgan Freeman voiceover. Here it comes, folks. It was a deep impact where he was the president when the comet or the asteroid or whatever hits Earth. So, you know, he would be good for that. All right.

Australia. How do you rate Australia? Oh, my goodness. Oh, that is mean. Because I have a really complicated relationship with Australia now. Because I've lived away from it for so long. Part of me has more affection for it now. But part of me also has a lot of cultural cringe about Australia.

Like, there's a lot of cultural cringe about Australia. Like, there's a lot of things about Australia and Australians I'm a little bit embarrassed about when I'm watching, you know, television or movies or things happening in Australia. And when I come back, I feel it as well. Like, a little bit embarrassed when I watch the news and I'm watching, I'm like, oh, this is a bit embarrassing, this country. I also think it's like amazing. Like, you know, and it's home. So, it's almost like you're saying, rape my mum or something. Like, you know, how do you do that? That's next. Part of me just thinks tan, you know. Amazing country, lots of natural beauty, great weather,

Amazing country, lots of natural beauty, great weather, lifestyle. But it's flawed. It's flawed. I can't give it 10 because it's flawed. That would be like, I'm not going to just be like patriotic or nationalistic about it. That's hard, man. Who would have thought that would be the really hard one? I agree with your vexed nature. It's hard to know where to stand on it.

It's a beautiful, you know, old place. It's got wonderful natural beauties. There's a lovely nature about some of the culture of it, you know, the relaxedness that doesn't take itself too seriously. But then there's also a bit of jingoism about the nationalism I don't like around the flag. And, you know, that makes me cringeworthy as well. Its best feature is when it's unselfconsciously itself.

When it tries to talk about its Australian-ness and all that so much, it's awful. It's at its worst. Yeah, Australia is at its best when it doesn't try to be Australia. The people. Yeah, yeah. It's gotten a little bit, it's gotten a little bit, a little bit up its own arse. And the capital cities are annoyingly far away from one another. Like, it feels normal until you're in the UK

and you realise you can drive all over the place. Or even in America, you can drive a couple of hours between massive capital cities. In Australia, it's like a day's drive to get anywhere that's not city. Yeah, it's very, it's very, the cities and Australia is like a day's drive to get anywhere that's not city. Yeah, it's very, the cities and the people are very isolated from one another. It's a bit like, it's the same conundrum I have when you told me to rate art. It's too big a thing to rate with too many facets going on for me to really do it justice. All I can do with Australia is kind of compare it to

all the other countries in terms of where I'd like to be and spend time and how I feel when I'm in it. And Australia is really, really high on that list. I, you know, when I came back last year and spent time with you and my family and all that, it was so great to be back it was a really it felt really good i miss it i'm gonna give australia eight i was thinking about eight too maybe that's a good sign well maybe it's there's some weird things so you start thinking about from a natural beauty point of view it it rates very highly. But not, even still not that amazing. You know, like it's really, really beautiful in a unique way. But so is frigging North America and like. Australia is not the most beautiful country in the world.

Most of it is quite rocky, flat, barren desert. It has a few, you know, great beaches and a few nice rocks and Barrier Reef. Australia is... And the bluff. Australia is not... Yeah. Australia is definitely not the most beautiful country. What are you going to go for?

I'll sit on an eight, too. I was thinking an eight, and then you said it, and I think, well, that's about right. All right. That's two eights for an average of eight, which does put Australia above the big rocking horse. Equal with the iPod. It doesn't.

But below Netflix. You prefer Netflix to Australia. That's terrible. I don't. No, you do because you gave Netflix an 8.5. The thing about Netflix, though, is that I choose what I watch You know what I mean? Like, whereas Australia is all there in front of me And I have to put up with it, you know, like it's

All right All right, here's my next one And this is also a little nod to your daughters I thought they'd like this one too Multi-coloured pens Sorry, I'm talking the four-colour pen, the ten-colour pen also a little nod to your daughters i thought they'd like this one too multi-colored pens sorry i'm talking the four color pen the ten color pen these are pens that you know you can you can select between colors with little sliders on the side of the pen multi-colored pens which i'm sure you've had a lot of experience buying yes indeed do you mean the ones with like 10 or

12 colors or the one with four or more i'm thinking of the four because for me, the four-colour pen, which I have one right here. Here's the sound of a four-colour pen. Oh, I haven't heard that for ages. But I'm also including ten-colour pens, although they are harder to use because they're so fat, but they were like the ultimate Jedi weapon when you were at school. But just the concept of multi-coloured pens. thinking four and above four colors and above all right those

those big ones the ones with 10 or 12 or 20 or 40 colors in them or whatever they've got they're rubbish i find them really annoying i know that it's like oh there's like different colors but they're all they break off and the ink spills everywhere they're not very robust yeah it's like you know it's it's something as big as a torpedo with like a little match coming out the end of it it's just like that's not helpful but the big four color pen the classic that i love that i still use to this day they're indestructible they're like so hardy that no they're good that i'm a big fan of, so hardy. No, they're good. I'm a big fan of them.

Used them for many, many years. Well, when I say I used them, I didn't use the green because no one ever uses the green. The green is the green. The green is just along for the ride. Yeah. Like you in the Ford Pocket in a game of football. That's right. I had the green on a Ford car.

You have the green of the Ford car, Le Pen, on the football field. I'm trying to think, what circumstances do you pull out the green? You've got the red and the blue you're using and then the black, you know, on a case. When do you need the green? You don't need the green. You're doing some really complex equations. If you're drawing a picture of people playing sport and you need to do the grass. Oh, if you're drawing a picture with a pen, yes, I guess so.

But, yeah, so, look, I think that's a very useful pen. I don't use it anymore. But I endorse it still being available. And I would encourage youngsters to, if they haven't had one before, to go and get one and give it a burl. Look, I would rate that pen – look, it is only a Bic, though. I mean, they're pretty indestructible, but they're not – you do have to – you know, they do tire the hand.

It's not like it's a lovely flowing pen like the others that I buy now. Please. If you're going to put them all together with the big fat torpedo one with the the flimsy stuff then i'm it's gonna bring it right down to a six all right i think the multicolored pen has incredible nostalgia going for it it immediately takes me back to you know happy times school days pencil cases and things like that it's also useful utility i'm gonna go 7.8 all right all right where does that put you have one of the multi-colored ones i haven't got a 10 color pen because they are rubbish yeah so that's an average that's an

average of 6.9 putting multi-colored pens just below kfc chips and just above ebay woolen jumpers my grandmother made many woolen jumpers for me she knitted woolen jumpers for me when i was young she has now passed so i feel like i can be a bit more honest and say not a fan of woolen jumpers no not a fan don't like them whether they're Whether they're home knitted or, you know, machine knitted in the stores. I rarely wear them. I rarely buy them. Just don't like the feel of them on my body. Not a fan of woolen jumpers.

Itchy? Yeah. Just there's very little I like about them. Five. Whoa. All right. Wow. And that's being a little bit generous.

Where do you stand on woolen jumpers? I really love woolen jumpers. In fact, I've just got back into them in a big way. What do you mean you've gotten back into them? Well, I went to a concert earlier in the year that was outdoor, and a friend of mine came along, and he had a woolen jumper with him sort of just around his waist in case it got cool. And he accidentally left it at our place afterwards because we met up at my place and went down.

And so the next night I was going back to the next night of the concert and I was like, oh, that's a perfect nice light thing to carry. You know, it's warm now, but later. And I ended up putting it on and went, oh, this is great. This is like light, but comfy, but warm. And I like they feel kind on and went, oh, this is great. This is like light but comfy but warm. And I like they feel kind of earthy and stuff. So I looked at the brand and went online and just ordered one. And I've liked mine, gave him his back. And then I liked it so much I bought it in like a couple more colours.

And I've just been wearing them all the time. And I just feel like it's like I look out, is it cold enough to put one on they they just feel homey and earthy and comfy and warm and i'm i'm getting into it in a big way when you see that friend now do you have to like call him in advance to make sure you're not both wearing the same jumper no because in fact this happened the other day we were going out together and i hopped in the car and he had his on because that one was navy blue. And so I bought the navy blue, but then it got ruined in the wash. So thankfully, I had also a yellow and a red one and a brown one that I had bought. And so I had the red one with me, which the red one's not, it's not great.

Is the yellow one the one you're wearing in your new profile picture? Yes. Yes, it is. It's like a mustard Yeah Okay, nice And what are you giving Woollen Jumpers out of 10? I'm giving Woollen Jumpers a 9 out of 10

Whoa, nice Yep That takes the average all the way up to 7 I would love a, like a homemade one Like I'd love mum to knit one now Or, you know, I'd love a, like a homemade one. Like I'd love mum to knit one now or, you know, I'd love a, I just think they're fantastic with patches and colours and stuff. Fantastic.

Big fan of jumpers. I'm lamenting the fact that in Australia we're coming out of winter now into summer and I won't be able to wear one for a while. Well, come over to England. You're about to have all your restrictions lifted. Come over to England to do some recording and you can wear a jumper in England. Oh, nice. I'll bring them all.

I'll bring a special bag just with jumpers. All right. Two more from each of us. At the time of recording, we are coming up to Halloween. My wife came home the other day from a pumpkin farm with a whole bunch of pumpkins. She likes carving pumpkins for Halloween. Where do you stand on pumpkins? Oh, I thought you were going to say Halloween.

I'm pretty indifferent to pumpkins. I only, I like pumpkin soup. And I, like if there are soups, multiple soups on a menu, I'll often choose the pumpkin, like I like it that much. But then I won't want it again for another month or so. also love it as part of a roast so roast pumpkins great but anything roasted is pretty awesome isn't it nice and sort of crisp on the outside but soft and a bit of honey drizzled over it when you oh yeah when you roast it yeah nice but apart from that i'm not a fan of them you know the jack-o'-lantern kind of look the honey you know that sort of thing and

it's like oh yeah that's a novelty but i never, it's not part of my childhood or memories or anything like that. It's sort of all American. If I went shopping for stuff thinking, oh, I'll cook tonight, I wouldn't, oh, it must get a pumpkin. It doesn't come to mind. So I'm going to be, I'm going to be a five on a pumpkin. I mean, I will have pumpkin soup if it's, you know, got enough salt in it. I do, you know, pumpkin soup's all right. I'm not a big fan of pumpkin to eat.

Don't particularly like the taste. Don't even particularly like roasted pumpkin. But I take my hat off to the pumpkin because it's so recognisable. It's such a distinctive thing, like, in our culture. You know, there's not much else that looks like it. It's, you know, it's really carved out a real niche for itself. I think, you know, I think you've got to respect the pumpkin. Everyone knows it.

It's pretty cool looking. It's fun to say. It's distinctive. It's a great word. It's a great word, pumpkin. I think you've been harsh on it. I think even though it's not my taste And it's not for me

I'm going to give the pumpkin 6.6 6.6 I quite like the Smashing Pumpkins Which is a great name for a band isn't it It is a good name Well we've done food And so I did want to do I've got two more that are food

Oh here's another one Alright here we go The 90s How do you go the 90s how do you rate the 90s i think i think when it's all said and done the 90s will be our decade for you for you and me yeah like like that the 90s is what just defined us culturally like in in most ways like it's not the it's not the era probably of our greatest success or most significant achievements,

but when it comes to, like, nostalgia and memories and all that good stuff. Stuff that really matters. Yeah, I think, like, I think, like, the 90s, it's like, you know, your first love or your high school sweetheart or something like that. The 90s is, like, it fuss. And also it was quite, like, I know lots of bad stuff happen,

but bad stuff happens in every decade. But, like, you know, there was no pandemic. There were some wars, but, you know, that's not good. But generally it was quite a good decade. I'm going. I like them. I'm giving the 90s a nine. What about you?

Very appropriate. Yeah. The 1990s. Where do you stand on the 90s? I like the 90s. I love the 90s music is still my favourite music. And because it's that era, it's coming of age, it does define that stuff a little bit for us.

Politically, it's interesting. I'm changing my score. I'm changing my score. Oh, hello. I'm giving the 90s 9.0, 9.210, 9.0, 9.0210. Very appropriate. 9.0210. Even though in in retrospect lots of things are better you know like tvs are better and the excess you know something like netflix is better you know in

the 90s you're still sort of oh well is that movie on this sunday night okay we'll wait that that had its own charm and all that kind of stuff to it too mobile phones were pretty crap but also it was great that there were no mobile phones as well at concerts and things. Blissful, you know? Can you imagine what high school would have been like for us if there were mobile phones everywhere and smartphones? And social media.

Photos would still be around. Imagine if social media was around when we were at school. Oh, hell. That's true. We would have been beating the babes off with a stick Things look pretty crap Like computers Like you look back and think how slow they were And all that kind of stuff

But at the time it felt exciting to get a new one all the time. Of course, yeah. Of course, stuff's more modern now. But you don't look at the pyramids and go, oh, man, they suck because they haven't got Wi-Fi. Like they're from their time. Hello to anyone who's walking around the pyramids listening to us, by the way, who's obviously got Wi-Fi.

They're listening to the podcast. I think there were some bad suits in the 90s. There's some dodgy fashion. But there was also cargo pants, which are, you know, heaps comfy. So that's great. There's a theory that says the 90s really began when the wall came down in Berlin in 1989 and went through to kind of 9-11 in 2001. And I think, you know what I mean?

That's like a socio-political moment in time that sort of brackets it well. I rate the 90s pretty highly. I can't give them a 10 because of my love life in the 90s. in the night yeah i'm gonna give them a 9.9 oh that's high wow okay that's very high uh last one from me this was already on my list i'm gonna keep it although it's close to what you said you said eating fish before i want a mark out of 10 for the act of fishing or angling. Some people's favourite pastime. Other people hate it. Fishing, angling.

That's a really good one. I used to do lots of that when I was a kid. Me and Dad, we went fishing lots. I quite enjoyed it, but I always think I didn't catch enough fish as a kid to get me hooked for life. There was lots of standing around waiting and i got bored i i've had rods for years i haven't used them very much been fishing a little bit with the kids not very much they really loved it we probably should do it more um because they really enjoy it and we've done a little bit on holidays and things but i'm not a massive fan

i have got a bit of a secret desire to learn how to fly fish i think that looks really interesting and has a it's not like put it in the water and wait for ages it's you know you're actively doing something and it feels strategic and fun but i can't say that it's a pastime that i love or do often or at all really so i guess i'd give it probably about a five and a half i don't know what upset all the fisher people out there but i don't rate i don't rate it i haven't done much of it i've only ever actually caught one fish that i can remember i'm not going to say it's boring because everyone finds different things boring and interesting and I can see how you would enjoy it the past time. But I also, I think it's kind of mean to the fish. And look, I eat meat, right? You know, and I eat fish. So, I'm not going to get on a high horse and be all, you know, animal welfare

here because that would be disingenuous of me. I don't know, like, just catching them for sport, to me, it's like hunting. A lot of people don't like hunting. I think it's hunting, but hunting for fish. And I think that's kind of mean, just doing it for the fun of it. And I know people throw them back, but they only throw them back after they've put a hook in their mouth and stuff. And also they're kind of like, this sounds silly too,

but they're kind of tricking the fish and deceiving it. And I think that's kind of mean. I think it's a bit mean dangling something in front of a fish saying, here's something nice. And then saying, just kidding. Here's a huge piece of metal hook in your mouth. And a traumatic moment. And then other people say, well, fish are really dumb and it doesn't really matter because you know fish haven't got aren't highly intelligent well then i think i think that makes us even worse for tricking them and hunting them and

catching them this poor dumb animal living in the sea like that just makes us even even worse so i don't know it just feels a bit like the times i've done it when i'm doing it with people like i'm not i'm not getting on a high horse here i'm not saying fishing shouldn't be allowed of course i'm not saying that but just when on a high horse here. I'm not saying fishing shouldn't be allowed. Of course, I'm not saying that. But just when I'm doing it, I feel a little bit uncomfortable. It feels a bit like, I'm not sure I like this. I'm not sure I like what we're doing to the fish. I get there's like a skill to it and an art.

And I like the idea of different bits of equipment. You know, I can see how that is quite appealing and tackle. And I like the technical. I can see how that is quite appealing and tackle. And I like the technical. I can see how the technical side of it could be quite appealing. And I don't begrudge other people, I guess, getting satisfaction from it. But it just doesn't quite sit right with me. I'm not judging. I'm just saying it's not for me.

Fishing gets a 3.7. Wow. If you don't like what I just said about fishing, feel free to send an email to Tim. What about all that giraffing you go doing in Africa? What's the last one? Last one on your list. I'm going to go with neckties. Neckties.

Wearing a tie. You know, we talked last time wearing a tie with my jacket because I'd been out that day. Yes. What do you think about neckties neckties wearing a tie you know we talked last time wearing a tie with my jacket because i'd been out that day yes what do you think about neckties are you including bow ties in this or no no just neck ties just a long normal neck you can you can do a sidebar comment about bow ties if you wish but i haven't had time to think about this and formulate this because this is the first time i've thought about it but i think I'm going to be down on neckties not only do I just not like wearing them very much the feeling of them and I used to wear them a lot for work in my newspaper day so I have spent a lot of time wearing them but I virtually never wear them now I think they're rubbish I'm I can't stand neckties

when I was young I used to have a few and felt sophisticated to wear them and all the rest of it and i too spent years at work with them on even you know like just at food land even at different workplaces like that and then for formal occasions i only have two ties and one of them's the sort of quite a different kind of tie you know like a knitted sort of tie to be a bit different but I loathe wearing them and they look ridiculous and they never sit straight. Do you wear them when you officiate at weddings and funerals? Yes, that's the only time. And that's just simply out of respect because it's expected. Will you ask, do you want me to wear a tie or will you just do it by default?

Or will you say it's an option? With the funeral, I just turn up wearing a tie or will you just do it by default or will you say it's an option with the funeral i just turn up wearing a tie because that's just expected and i'm not gonna ask for fashion advice of a family you know whose funeral i'm about to perform i just i just know that's expected with a wedding i always ask the bride what would you like me to wear um just in case they have a preference you know of a color or something like that just i just want to fit in with their photos it's their show so i just wear what they want me to wear what would you do if you know, of a colour or something like that. I just want to fit in with their photos. It's their show. So I just wear what they want me to wear. What would you do if you said that to a bride that you were doing a wedding for, say, on the weekend, and she asked you to shave your beard off? I'm sorry.

Could you shave your beard off? I would say why. But if she said, I just like it better without the beard, I would just shave it off. Absolutely. Would you? Yeah, that would be. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I wouldn't.

Look, a week out from a wedding, I'm not going to cause any more stress or pressure or anything, I'll say. Absolutely, I'm happy to do that and I'd do it. And then I'd just grow it back, yeah. It's really funny when you watch like a film from the Elizabethan sort of era and you see men in, you know, big puffy wigs and their clothing over the top and all these sorts of different – you really realise, oh, yes, this is wearing a necktie, a coloured bit of, you know,

irrelevant strip of stuff down the front of your, it's just a hangover. It just feels like one more frilly little bit of irrelevance that is culturally accepted. And when you look at it logically, like why is that? I can see the purpose of a jacket. You can put it on. It keeps you warm. It's, you know, a jacket makes sense.

And then think, oh, hang on, let's hang this purposeless, colourful thing down the middle that costs 50 bucks like it just looks like why that looks ridiculous yeah um i agree i agree down with neck ties i say i have to say they are handy though like don't if you don't want to wear them anymore like keep them they're actually really handy like to tie things in the garden, like stakes and stuff like that and things around the home. But I'm not a fan of them. And if people, you know, like, of course, I'll wear it on the right occasion, like I said,

generally for others because I'm not going to be the guy who turns up, you know, and says, well, I'm not wearing a tie. But I hate having to do it up. I know how to do a Windsor knot. I hate having to pressure the top button in nice and tight and all that sort of stuff and measure the distance and stand before, you know, all that stuff. I remember one tie I had for a long time

because one of my favourite cartoon characters was the Roadrunner. I used to have a Roadrunner necktie and I wore that to work a few times. Back when wearing like Looney Tunes and Warner Brothers ties was a bit trendy back in the 90s oh it's embarrassing yes okay take one more point off my 90s score yes what are we going to give neckties out of 10 i can't think of a good reason for them um so there's tradition yeah they're a traditional thing You can get nice ones sometimes made of nice fabric that look nice. If you wear a suit, like a proper suit without one, you do look a little bit like you're up for parole and, you know.

Right, yeah. I'm going to give them a two. All right. I was going to give them a three. Of right. I was going to give them a three. Of course, we wore one every day at school as well. Yeah, yeah, we did. We wore ties to school. Yeah, yeah.

Forgot about that. Yeah. Yeah. Did you do your tie every morning or did you just loosen it and slip it over your head? Loosened it and redid it. Because I had all that, sorry, not to brag, man, because I had all those badges and things for being school captain and prefect and everything on mine. Like, you know, there was a lot of metal to take on and off the tie every day.

My honours. Well, you're like a soldier or someone in the Navy having to wear their full whites every day. Pins and sidebar. Like Prince Charles turning up to a wedding. So if I had to undo whites every day like pins and sidebar prince charles turning up so if i had to undo it if i had to undo it every day they would have all got you can't do the knots on that with all the with all the little badges and things on the tie so i would just loosen it so they could all just stay in the same place thankfully i wore my swimming medal quite separately to my time every day that is it that is it I hope everyone's been going through and keeping their own scores

and comparing them to ours. But we are done. Ten things. Did you do your dare from the girls? I did do my dare, yes. But I sort of backed off on it a little bit. The dare was that I had to say I'm giving it a ten. Like, just to one of them.

I'm giving it a ten. I did do that with my beard. Okay. But then I went a little bit more. That's dare achieved. And which was the object suggested by one of the girls? I'm curious. Oh, one we didn't do.

Quick, let's do it. Quick bonus one. What is it? Boysenberry ice cream. Oh, nice. I like Boysenberry ice cream. Oh, nice. I like boysenberry ice cream. It's not one I'd normally pick, but I do like it. Boysenberry ice cream is a solid 7.5.

Boysenberry is my favourite ice cream. And I get that and rum and raisin every time. So, it's a 10 from me. It's a 10. It's a 10. It's a 10. You can't improve boysenberry ice cream. It's of all the ice creams. Then I'm giving it a 7.1 just to drag the score down a little bit.

All right. So, here's what we did today with their scores. And I will just do today's additions to the list. If you want to see the full list from both episodes all mixed together, go to our website. From the bottom up, neckties get a 2.5. Fishing, angling, the pastime gets a 4.6. Eating fish gets a 5.65. We're downer on fish today, Tim.

Pumpkins, 5.8. Coca-Cola, 6. Tim's beard, 6.5. Multi Tim. Pumpkins, 5.8. Coca-Cola, 6. Tim's beard, 6.5. Multicoloured pens, 6.9. Woolen jumpers, 7. Catch Me If You Can, the movie, 7.15. The Planet Mercury, 7.45. Corn on the Cob, 7.8.

Belly Buttons, 7.8. Art, 7.9. Australia, 8. The iPod, 8. Netflix art 7.9 australia 8 the ipod 8 netflix 8.25 boysenberry ice cream 8.55 rain 8.8 paris a 9 the 1990s 9.4605 and the shaw Redemption, 9.6. Does anything feel weirdly out of place there? I feel strange that Paris is above Australia, but I guess Australia is so big, it has a lot of stuff to drag it down a bit. And I wouldn't give France more than Australia. No. I don't know.

Mercury feels too anonymous to me to be up that high, but. Netflix and the iPod are a bit high for my liking, but. Yeah, I think so too. Netflix does annoy me a lot. Like there are other streaming services that are better. Like the Australian SBS one I think is kind of better in a way. You know, like, so, but that's, but I was thinking about from the perspective of childhood.

What can you do? We've spoken. Thanks, everyone, for listening to another out of 10 episode. Many of you asked for it. I hope it was worth the wait. Let us know what you give this episode out of 10. We'd be curious to hear. Do you know what also gets a 10?

Sleep. Sleep gets a 10. I'm going to think some more about that. The few minutes when you know you're about to go to sleep definitely gets a 10. Sleep itself. Sleep itself. No, no, sleep can't get a 10 because you can miss things when you're asleep. Oh, yeah.

Good things. You can miss like the Super Bowl and also you can have nightmares.