The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby - Arie & Lauren Talk Bachelor Proposal Mistake, Having Twins and Drama with Call Her Daddy

Episode Date: May 10, 2023

We went and visited Arie & Lauren Luyendyk and had them join us on the podcast from their own house! We talked about life on The Bachelor and their unique story where Arie engaged to someone else before asking Lauren's hand in marriage, they called out the jokes that the Call Her Daddy Podcast made about their baby and Lauren shared the lessons she's learned raising twins. Make sure to rate our podcast and leave a review if you can, it really helps us out!

You initially asked when else to marry you. I'm like, I'm not sure. And they're like, well, production wraps today, you better figure it out. It's kind of a big decision to make by the end of the day. That's the one thing that every twin mom told me. Get them both on the same schedule. And because if you don't, they will alternate all day and night.

They decided that it would be really funny to make fun of Baby Lessi. And they would say stuff about her being on a stripper pole. What? The next sentence would be about BJs. I'm really like, this is a baby. Hey, real quick. Before we get started, if you could leave us a review for the podcast, it actually helps out so so much.

It takes literally two seconds just to say, hey, love this podcast, it's really easy, really fast. It would mean a lot to us. Now let's get on with the episode. What's up dudes, and welcome back to the on-plan podcast. We've got Lauren and Ari Lyandike. Did I just forget to answer last night correctly? Yes.

We actually met you guys for our friends down in Bella, which is crazy. I'm just not realizing that. I'm just not realizing I've been thinking your last name was pronounced wrong. I'm not the last people to do. Yeah, that's tough. Lauren and Ari, they met on the Bachelor.

They're on for Newer's. They just came out with a dating or a dates app, which is super cool. They're just like, they're doing a lot of cool stuff. There's also content creators on social media. So I'm really excited for this interview. Really? Oh, really?

Yep, I was your realtor? Yes, you were on, already as a realtor. So you guys are keeping yourselves busy and you guys have three kids. That's insane. I'm saying, do not know how you guys do it. Now I can guys have three kids. That's that's the thing. I'm saying do not know how you guys do it. Now they can do it. You just figure it out.

Yeah. Oh my god. I would need a lot of naps. It's funny. Like we start off most episodes asking the couples on the podcast with us like how they met and you guys have the most unique how you met story like ever. Like how many people how many people do you know Abby that met like on TV like actually one of the couple we met a couple that got married actually yeah you're right we didn't

meet a couple but that's crazy yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah they were on marina's that's gotta be really crazy it's still married just been like eight years yeah oh wow that's incredible but that's like the crazy part about you guys is you guys are happily married like have three children like I don't know it's it's crazy that I that's like the crazy part about you guys is you guys are happily married, like have three children, like, I don't know. It's crazy that, I don't know. When I thought about the bachelor, I was like, oh yeah, none of those couples work out, but like you guys clearly did work out.

So that's really cool. Yeah, I think we are rare. Yes, I just looked today, because there's like a post that came up because a couple broke up. And I think there's five of 25 seasons of the bachelor. 25.

Yeah, because there's a lot of spin-offs for the bachelor at. Yeah. I told Max that I don't think those count because they're the odds of, because then it's like the same amount of girls' boys, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah, I'm on paradise, yeah. So I think yours is more impressive. Yeah, does that feel like it was another lifetime ago?

Like that whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. Does that feel like it was another lifetime ago, like that whole thing? Yeah. I mean, it just, our reality is so different from the show now. So it's kind of weird to even think we were over there. Did you guys know each other before the show? Or did you like meet on the show? We met before the show. Oh, you did.

Yeah. Oh, you did. It wasn't like. We didn't really know each other. Right. We just met at the race track and took a picture together. And I was dating somebody at the time. We had no idea that I was going to be a time. We had no idea that I was gonna be a bachelor

I had no idea she didn't know that she's gonna show. I was gonna be on the show. And then what was it like six months later? I was like three months later. Yeah, so three months later, he had been removed from the show for five years and then I went to a casting randomly because my friends talked me into it

and they're like, you're gonna be on the show, watch Good Morning America to find out who the bachelor is. So I'm watching Good Morning America and then he walks out and it was like the craziest coincidence because I was expecting it to be one of the guys from this season before. And then it just happened to be the guy. Yeah, how long were you in the bachelor five years later? I don't even really know to be honest. I feel like what happened was there was a producer in the house who I really clicked with and he became the executive producer. And he'd always been trying like lobbying for me to be the bachelor. And he's like, Hey, if I ever become the EP, like you're the guy. And so I don't know like what exactly happened behind the scenes, but there was this other front runner,

his name's Peter. And there was some sort of controversy over contract. And last minute, I would say two weeks before filming, they dropped him and then they put me in. Two weeks. Yeah. So none of the women that were cast were actually cast for me. So that kind of was. Wait, you don't think I was cast for you?

I guess I wasn't. You weren't cast for me. Whoa. Weird, I never realized that. So they gave me a lot of insecurity going into it Because I was like nobody none of these women are actually like have been interviewed To for me to be their potential mate, you know What is one girl that was asked for him though. Yeah, and that was baby Becca. She's 22 years old

They wanted to have that huge age Only one last minute Wait, how old were you on the show? I was 36, I think. Okay. So that was, I mean, that was a big age gap. And that's not like what you lead with when you meet someone you're not.

Hey, how old are you? Yeah, you know, you just assume that everyone's going to be sort of in your age range that's on the show. Yeah. But they wanted to make that a thing. So she kind of withheld her age until we were on a date. Oh, was a surprise. Yeah.

I was like, I'm really feeling this. And she's like, by the way, I'm 22. I was like, wow. Yeah. That make you feel. Oh. Can I tell you guys a secret? So right after Abby had Griffin, we were actually

we're in Flagstaff. And we were just like, we didn't have a lot going on. We're like, what's like TV? Should we watch right now? And we're like, we're like, wait a second. We're like what like TV should we watch right now? And we're like we're like wait a second. We're like we got to watch we got to watch Lord and RC and I'm so sorry that I actually actually promise that I'm gonna fight about We did watch the season. Oh my gosh I watched the season. Oh my gosh.

I'm sorry. Oh, I think it's crazy. Like that experience, like knowing you guys post so many, how many years ago was that? Five or so years ago? It's like you never guessed that that was like how you guys met. I know it's so well.

Yeah, I love. Yeah, it's just crazy. It's crazy. It's really cool. That first night I was like a mess. Like I was so nervous. Someone asked me what I'm excited about and I said excitement Okay reality TV scares the crap out of me because

Anything and everything you say will be used against you or could be used against you And it's like it's so reassuring like knowing like when we do social media if we say something stupid We'll just like cut it out of our video You But like you guys, you got to do anything. You essentially signed your life away, right? When you're on a show, like you've signed all this paperwork for anything you say on camera, like you can't keep them from posting that. Like they're going to put it in the episode,

especially if it's something crazy that they can use to get more viewership or build controversy or just make a more entertaining show, right? Right. I've been on stuff where I'm like, oh man, they added that so cool. Like I'm glad they did that or how they did that was so awesome.

And then I've been on the bachelor where I'm like, wow, they really didn't mean no favors there. You know, because it's interesting, like where you fit in reality TV, it's all about like a storyline. So like if you're the good guy or like the runner up or like somebody to root for,

you're just going to get this like magical edit. But if you're if you're villainized or if you're trying to hide something. Yeah, it's interesting. Like we as soon as we got together, post show, the editing changed. It was like episode three or four. And I'm like, oh, this is like a dark memory. Not really remembering. I do. Clearly. I was like, it was like episode three or four, and I'm like, oh, this is like a dark memory. Remember that? Not really remembering. I do. Clearly, I was like, it was like because they edit, sort of, they finish the season,

and then they start editing everything. So they don't edit as they go. Really, so. They don't see how it ends so that they can tailor it. That's good storytelling though. Yeah, I mean, like that's cool. You want to begin with the end in mind, and like tell that narrative, but then that's also scary for you guys. You're like, I don't know how the frick I'm gonna be depicted on the show

Yeah, yeah, that is so crazy. Are they okay when you're on the show like do no phones? I'm guessing like can you even check Email can you scroll on the internet like that's kind of message your mind at first hyper focused on your Yeah, at first it's sort of gives you anxiety, but then it's actually really nice. I know I didn't want my phone back. Maybe I'm like, they set me free in the airport to go home at the end and I was like lost. I didn't even know what to do.

Whoa, you're still like in tune with conversations. You're like very, I don't know, like interesting, like yourself aware. I think you're just in the moment. And then when you get home and you get back on your phone, you sort of lose that. So it is kind of an interesting experiment. Yeah, what was the gap between like the show being filmed

and then like when it was aired? It was like a month. Yeah, a little over. It was like, hide. We really. Yeah, it was cool. They fly you to like an Airbnb. Like one car picks you up, you know,

they keep a separate and then they have somebody in the house and they kind of watch you and then... Wait, there's someone in the house? First, they come on underneath, they meet you there. And they're like, yeah, they order your food, they text you. It's kind of like a honeymoon. Yeah, but you're not allowed to leave the house. Even though we did.

You can't leave the house. You can't leave the house, but we can't. And where do they keep you in a Airbnb. Yeah, but like which Me in like a mutual location so no one could see where we were going So then your family knew that they had to know that Wow, yeah, what was that like for you though because you got cast for another guy Oh What was that like for you though because you got cast for another guy I don't know I don't know that I'll just know Oh yeah, well you didn't know that

I didn't even really think about the timeline I guess but like no one's really I now I'm convinced that no one's really cast for anyone really I feel like they're just cast for who they are and making good TV Like I always thought like there's so there's a head of casting her names Lacey and I was like you know Lacey's gonna match me with somebody because she knows me. But then I was like, wait a second, I don't think they really care. It's just about good TV. Exactly. It's about who's gonna make good TV. But then how did like, okay, here's my question though, if people aren't cast for a specific person,

then all these girls come on the bachelor, like, why did they randomly all the side they like this guy? You know, like, how does that happen? I think it's just like this competitive angle. It's like you're a hot commodity So like Everyone just wants that one guy. He's the only guy there like the last man on earth You know, yeah, and you don't have your phones and and like are they I don't know I just envisioned them like pushing alcohol all the time on people like hey, what a drink like is that a thing too or no like? I mean, they're always offering. Oh, yeah

I wouldn't say they're like pushing it on you. Okay. Yeah, she's like hey, do you want to glass? Oh, I'm we're gonna go do interview I'm like yes, please What was the casting like for that? It was way was alive It wasn't like online or anything. No, I had just moved to Dallas and my friends all of Virginia and they're like, oh my gosh, it's gonna be a new city go over there and check it out. Let us know what it's like It was in Dallas. Yeah, so I like went to the building expecting there to be a line around the building and there were a total of like 30 people inside and there were girls dressed up and costumes. There were people doing some wild stuff in there. And I just came in like after work one day and I was like, hey, I'm here.

Was anyone else from your casting like cast for the show? Actually, I don't know. There was one other girl from Dallas. I don't know if she was there with me or not, but. Well, you went through casting too, then obviously for the- Actually, no. So I had like randomly, never been on TV. I'd done like some small little cameos

as a racing driver, because that's what I did before reality TV. And I had actually dated somebody who was in local news when I was like 20, and she ended up becoming a producer for the bachelor. And I had just randomly ran into her at a coffee shop. And she said, oh, hey, it's been so long. I'm like, oh, what do you do now?

She's like, oh, I'm a producer for the bachelor. And I was like, well, I'm single. So if you need me, this kind of like joking. And then she called me a couple weeks later. And I was like, hey, do you want to be on bachelor at? And I was like, sure, let's do it. So this is really cool actually, because it was so like by chance, you know?

Yeah, like, or nanny gang, yeah. I got a girlfriend. Yeah. I've never watched the show. Yeah, I know. Are you dated so many girls? I know. And the ex-girlfriend. Oh, no. Listen, the ex-girlfriend. So this became like a thing in the show that ex-girlfriend was the batsurets, like,

producer that was with her every day. So it was really kind of weird because I was like, does she know? Does she not know? And it turned out she didn't know. And that pretty much, you know. Do you think that was done on purpose? Broke the, oh yes. It became part of the show.

It happened with her, yeah. Yeah, so it was like, but anyways, that's a long story. But that was like, that's how I got on the show. It was just kind of interesting. And I had never seen the show before, so I like walked into this house and, you know, I'm like, I'm not the fittest guy. I'm just like average dude, you know what I mean?

These guys are doing like push ups and like, tan up, you know, like not eating any carbs and I'm like in the corner, like drinking cappuccinos and chocolate. I feel like the bachelor rate vibe has to be totally different. Oh yeah. Oh, it's just like a bunch of meat heads, you know?

Just like, that's so funny. And they were all scared of talk to her too, which is so funny. And that was like the one thing I was scared of. I don't know know, just like, that's so funny. And they were all scared of talk to her too, which is so funny. And that was like the one thing I was scared. I don't know if they're like nervous, because it's like, I was really excited to talk to her. I think when you go on a show,

a lot of people, the casting process could be months. And so this is like this huge anticipation. And then you get there and there's all these cameras and then people are like a little like, you know? Yeah. And I had just gotten asked like a week ago and I fly in. Yeah. I didn't have all the time.

It's cool. Yeah. So yeah. But like, okay, the show, I remember Abbie would want to watch the bachelor with me back in like college. And I was like, I don't know. It just seems kind of like scripted or like it seems like they're, I don't know, like, like things are made up.

But like is, is anything scripted at all? Or is it all just like actually what, I don't know, like things are made up. But is anything scripted at all, or is it all just like actually what's happening? I'm so curious, like how much is curated for TV? Well, I think Ari and I have talked about this. We think that there's just so much content to work with that they can really make it look however they want. But also on his side of things, they do have certain things

that he needs to say as the bachelor, but as the contestants, there's nothing that's scripted. Really? So they do tell you, say this. I think the contestants experience is a lot different than the lead. The lead is almost like a place marker. You could put anyone in there, and they just build

this narrative where it's like, okay, you're going to walk into this room and your wife could be in that room. And then they, they, they're talking to you, basically, essentially like how they want you to talk. You know what I mean? So you, you begin to be in this sort of world where they're like, okay, we really want to make them feel comfortable. So you should give them some confidence and say these things, you know? Yeah. And so, they do inspire you. They inspire you to do certain things.

Yeah. Okay, I'm sorry. Is that not like crazy? Like, it was weird. Okay, we watched this season. It was weird seeing you like kiss other people because I'm like, I'm like, in my mind, I'm like, art is married, but we're back in time.

We're back in time. I'm seeing you make out with all these girls. And I'm like, what is that like when you're the back? Just make out. Just make out. I'm just like, man. What's the name of that? What's the name of that?

It's, I mean, at first? It was single. OK, at first. It was your single. Yeah, your single. So, like, at single guy, at first, it's so cool. Okay, at first. I mean, you're single, yeah, you're single. So like, at single guy, at first, it's like so cool. You're like, this is like pretty rad, right? It's pretty awesome.

Like, I basically, you know, this is like a cool experience. But then, you're like, wait, I gotta break up with like, five women on the, you know, then another two. Then every day, you're breaking up with somebody. So then it's like a little taxing, because you're like, I don't wanna be unemotional because it gets a little bit like, so I don't know, it feels weird.

I mean, you're essentially dating like 20 women at the same time, right? It sounds amazing, but it's not that great. Well, yeah, that would be, I would throw up every time being out, like having to like, someone's gonna cry for you and you're just like, or it's like thinking about kissing something you don't wanna kiss.

Like how do you get out of that? Yeah, the first night. We wanted to know we've only kissed each other actually. You've literally only kissed each other. You like? Literally. That's so cute. That is really cute.

They're dating in high school, similar time. Oh, I love that. I do. That's amazing. That's amazing. He's like quite the con. He's gone around all. Hey, come on. Come on. I do. That's amazing. That's amazing. He's quite the con just. He's gone around all.

Hey, come on, come on, come on. It was my job. I'm just joking. It was your job. It was my job. Kiss all these women. I guess I'll do it. I don't know.

But that's the difference. We were like 17 when we met. Yeah. And how old were you guys on the show? I was 25 when I got on the show. Oh, yeah That was a big question like the age gap. I'm sure you do get sick of talking about that or no It doesn't really come out. I don't think it really affects us much. Yeah, the only time He's very young I think it's more like the only time it really gets in the way

is when we talk about music or movies or something. She's like, oh gosh. Oh my gosh. You know that movie, everyone knows it. I'm like, absolutely never heard of it. I wasn't born yet. Yeah, I wasn't alive. Basically, is it 10 years, 11 years, how old?

It's 10, yeah, but like sometimes we cross into that 11. Oh really? You know, because I was born some time ago. Yeah, two months, okay. But yeah, I don't think you really, that was a big thing on the show, the age gap. Yeah, not for us though. But not for us, yeah.

I mean, there we are. I mean, there we are. I mean, was it not like what made you like unique was like this is the oldest patch that we never had? Oh, he was older than that. Oh, that was the elderly patch. I was like this is the oldest patch that we ever had. Oh, he was older than me. Oh, that was the really bad. I was like, that is actually not true because Nick Vial was a year older than me when he was a bachelor.

He just looks younger than me because there's no gray hair. Oh, so you had gray hair. So they're like, oh, this patch is exactly. Exactly. It was a lie. I know two years before that, he was a year older than me when he was a bachelor. So whatever. How long do you want to do when he was a bachelor? He was was 36 but I was 35 when we started filming and then I turned 36

So he's like six months or whatever and seeing and seeing Ari I guess are you even seeing him kiss the other girls or no because you're like we're watching it on TV So oh We're how are you seeing him kiss other girls then if you're not like getting to see the episode right because we we're watching the the TV Show seeing all these different like she's got life. No, it was there. Oh, you're not like getting to see the episode, right? Because we were watching the TV show seeing all these different, like, like, making our lives. I was there. Oh, you're seeing it live.

What do you mean? I'm confused by your question also. Wait, wait, wait, there's other girls in the room while you're making out. Yeah. We're all at the same house. What? In the beginning.

We'll be like, you know, over there on the couch. They were all coaching me on how to make a move on them. I'm sure you saw a weird thing, because you didn't know that that you were gonna marry him and no one else knew that you were married. None of us really even knew him at that point. We're all like, all these girls stuck in the house together. So it's just like a big sorority

and all of us are just having the best time with each other. And then we're like, oh yeah, this guy's here, like we're all dating him, cool. Like, you know, it's just like the second thought. Living with having girls was the beginning like as much drama As you would anticipate or was it where we guys like friends no, I think the house was kind of divided in two different groups But for the most part we were all friends. I wouldn't say we had a new drama though. It's good. Yeah, wow I'm so fascinated by this. This is just like great

Especially because like we've only like been with each other so then I'm so fascinated by this. This is just like great, especially because we've only been with each other. So then I'm like, man, we might build... That sounds like so much fun. We both might suck at kissing. We just have no idea. You guys are probably great at kissing. You've like kissed so many people, but we have not. Only hard enough to be hard enough.

Hey, come on. We're not bad at this. So I think in comparison, I'm an angel. I'm an angel. Okay. So I think like, okay, crazy as part of the show is, again, seeing and retrospect you guys together and then end of the show comes and I had heard, I think like, either Abby told me or Bella told me or somebody, I heard through the great vibe that essentially you initially asked when else to bury you.

And so when that's happening, I'm like, I'm like the only good people, you're like, oh, you don't do it. What do you do? And so I guess, what was it like to have something so personal on TV? And again, you don't have any control of what gets posted, you don't have any control of what makes it in the episode. Like what was that like to have just everything?

And you can't control it. I love you. I love you guys. Yeah. Well, I mean control is Yeah, for both of you guys. Yeah. Well, I mean, control is like, that's the hardest part. It's like, you don't control the order of like the fantasy sweet dates. You don't control, you control who goes on dates,

but, you know, I can't give her every date. I gotta also date other women's part of the show. Yeah, it actually gave me two, one on one dates, two weeks in a row, and no one had ever had that. Yeah, true. So there was like, you know, I wish there was more control and obviously time. Like my thing was like, I wasn't,

I'm like, I'm not sure. And they're like, well, production wraps today, boy, you better figure it out, you know what I mean? So, and you're like, it's kind of a big decision to make right by the end of the day. Right, and we were all like sick. It was like, we all got sick off whatever food, they were feeding us over there.

And so it was just like the last week was just like a real obviously a tough one. Yeah. Yeah. For those of you that may not know, are you proposed to a girl that was not Lauren? Mm-hmm. What was the time gap between... Wait, I don't remember the show as well right now. Like how did the show end and it was like, you guys were gonna get married or did, how did it resolve?

No, I think like in the show they build in to where you see the proposal and then they have, and they have already in like real time, we weren't watching in real time. There was like you in real time and then you're with like Lauren, right? And it's like, okay, this is actually what happened and they like play back all the,

everything. We've actually never seen the ending. So I don't know. Yeah, we never watched it. No way. So you just didn't watch it because you're just like, you know what, been there, you know what, been there, you know what,

you're trying to advertise. You know, at that point, we had to go on after the final rose and everyone had just watched the ending. So we mentally just couldn't handle watching it and then going on to talk about it. Oh my God, yeah. It was bad.

I knew it was gonna be bad, but it was really bad. That's far as far as- It was worse than we thought. Like how so. Well, I think like, you know, obviously you make that call, you know, you don't feel good about what you did, you know, you're like, shoot, I shouldn't have made

that decision or I need more time or why did I do that? And I think the biggest thing is like, when I was like, nope, I'm gonna call Lauren, we're gonna see if I can work it out with her. Then I like clued production in on it and that was kind of, I thought that would be good for us because I thought they could help tell a story and it just kind of backfired, really.

Yeah, it turned into the story being about the next season, like propelling it into being successful, rather than highlighting the story that was already there, you know? Wow. Yeah, they kind of, they were like, they kind of pitched as like, we're gonna romanticize this. Like, she was a person you were always supposed to be with, so we're gonna watch you run

back to her and then it's good to let people know like why you made the decision. Yeah. Then they kind of cut all that out and then they just made me, they just air a super long breakup scene. And then it was like cut to Lauren and now we're together, and people were just like, well, they're like, what? So I think they kind of, in hindsight, we should just done that all privately.

Yeah. And so it could have been you ended up with Becca on the show, and then people ended up finding out, oh, he actually ended up with Lauren. And they had us not on all privately. Yeah. And so it could have been like, you ended up with Becca on the show and then people ended up finding out, oh, he actually ended up with Lauren. And they had us not on the show. Yeah. Because watching that, I felt bad for you. I was like, this sucks to wear.

Like, he has no control over what they're pushing out. They're gonna just tell the narrative that makes them the most money and boost the viewership. And they did a great job. They really did. I mean, like, on their end, like they're like, yeah, like, screw R.E. Let's just do whatever it's gonna get us more views.

And so I just felt, I was like, dang, that sucks. But I was also like so glad that even though, you guys went through all that, like I was like happy that you made the decision in your heart that you knew it was right. And now like you guys are so happy and have three kids. Yeah, it's honestly okay. You know, I feel glad that it happened that way. Yeah, yeah.

I think it really like bonded us because we had this us versus the world mentality. Uh-huh. And it just, you know, I think it would have been different. Let's say I picked Lauren off of the bat. I don't know if we would have had that bond together because we're like, no, we got to stick together. Yeah. Everyone doesn't really know our story, but we're going to show them because we love each other so much. Because you got a lot of backlash after. Yeah.

So we're like, we're just going to- You did too? Oh yeah, I was a home record. Oh. That's crazy. I hate that. The crazy thing is, like, people don't understand that he was never with her that time between when filming wrapped and

When it aired like they're not living in the same state together. They're doing what we did Only like one or two times I think they saw each other for like a weekend But they're not together and I think people see it as like oh they're engaged their together doing every day life And then you just came in and ruined it. Yeah. But it's not like that. And when, okay, and when like you, because here's what made me so mad is like, of course they do this for TV.

Of course they're trying to like get the views on TV. They make you like go to the spot as if like you think you're getting proposed to. And then they make Ari like tell you in that like super like romantic spot, which looks like it's proposal scene. Yeah. And just like, that's how they get every season. And break your heart, which I don't, I've only watched, that was the only season of Bachelor I've actually watched all the way through. I just would like sneak in when I was like eight

years old, I'd like watch my mom watch the Bachelor like, a little bit. How long have I been doing this? I watched the Bachelor with my mom here and there. I even drew it 20 something years. Oh wow. This show has been going on for a while. But, no, yeah, you get to that spot. Like, did you think you were getting for post-e, right then? I feel like, I don't know. Oh, that's making me sick to my summer seat. At that point, I was like the week leading up to it.

I just had this bad feeling about it. And then the day of, I think I'd convinced myself that it was me. And I had to, you know, I had to go give this speech, telling, like, spilling my guts out. So I can't go into it, being like, oh, it's probably not me, but still say all of that, you know? Yeah.

The worst part was like, I was kind of waiting for Lauren to say some stuff to give me some reassurance. For some reason, she was always like kind of like a unicorn to me. Like, she was like, so beautiful. And like, but I always, I never really was like, she's so into me. Like, I never felt like she is, you know,

we're gonna be life partners. Yeah. Because I was missing a couple like things for her to say. And when she walked down, I, everything had already been a motion. Ring it's been picked, you know, we know who first is, where no second is. Like, so when she walks down and she delivers that speech,

I'm like, this is everything I've ever wanted to hear from her. And I was like, I knew at that moment that I was in the wrong, but I felt like the huge pressure of the bachelor in production and 300 people there, and everything is too late for me to do anything. But I knew kind of in that moment, like as soon as I walked away, I was like, I made a mistake and actually even on the show, I closed the door and I said, I love you.

I didn't even realize I did that. Yeah. Wow. So yeah, it's kind of wild. I can't imagine that pressure. And the producers are they trying to steer you down a certain path? Are they like, oh, hey, you should kick this girl off

but this girl, you should keep rolling. And they're like, they want to keep like the mean girl on to keep the show, keep the drama going, keep it more interesting. I feel like in the beginning and the middle of the show, they definitely have personalities that they want to keep on. Like they were like, hey, if you keep,

you keep Crystal on another week, then you can bring another girl to Paris, you know? Oh, oh, wow. Are you kidding me? But then towards the end, they really do want you to make the decision that's best for yourself. But I think that you're doing these interviews, and they're always highlighting the good things about somebody,

like why they would make a good fit for you. And it was always sort of this thing where, like Lauren, they were like, I remember this one con, it still, still kills me. They're like, Lauren's like the Ferrari dude. She's like, I know you love fast cars, but like, she's not a car you drive every day. She's like, you know, I'm like,

and you know, that goes like the dependable minivan, like something that you can just like, what is this? What is this? And you know that's like the dependable minivan like something that you can just like What is it like I'm a car guy Like this guy's a race car driver. We got to relate to him That I'm still dead about that. It was this camera guy. I love you, Jacob. Did you feel like you were like,

I don't want to use the word slave, but did you feel like you can't really leave? You can't, you know, you're stuck in wherever they have you. You can't, like when you're in these different countries, I'm sure you can't just go explore if you want to explore. Oh, no, no. Right? They own you.

The time you're there, they own you. They tell you what to do. You have to be up at this time, right? Like, did you almost feel like you were this slave to the bachelor? I don't want to use like dramatic words, but. Yeah, I mean, you definitely feel like your in captivity.

I mean, I mean, you're the biggest asset. They can't just have you going out in town. Yeah. You know what I mean? You know the phone. Yeah. You don't have money. They control everything.

They control. We don't even know what time it is. We don't know what time it is. What? I You don't have a phone. Yeah. You don't have money. They control everything. They control. We don't even know what time it is. We don't know what time it is. What? I mean, you have a watch. You can't have a watch. You can have a watch, but like, I mean, they don't tell us what time it is.

I mean, you ask them what time it is? And there's some resistance. Like, what time is there right now? Oh, it's late. They won't even tell you what time it is. You're kidding. Like, when's the last time I ate? I feel like it was six hours ago. I don't know

I remember in the house like we would be up to I don't even know like 3 a.m I didn't know what's obviously I had no idea but we're up super late And I just remember when it was time to wake up the lights were just like Florescent and they would just turn on all of a sudden and I'm on this like Probably a bunk bed like this I fell off the top of it one time. It's like, yeah, it was just like an experience. I feel like, and it was still fun.

Like I appreciated the whole thing. I didn't feel like a slave, maybe he did, but it was like, I felt like you were more controlled. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah, I think any reality TV they did this in traders too. I feel like they keep it tired. You know they they feed you obviously, but like I feel like keeping you tired, you know gets to Hits your like emotional side So that if you're tired and you're hungry and it's been days of filming and it's like you start breaking down about the littlest things

And they love it. You know what I mean? They're like yes No, yeah, I'm gonna say must not have been too bad of an experience because you've done reality TV since I don't know Have you done any reality TV since not more than just like an episode? Here and there, but I haven't done like actual full show. Oh like on what? What do we do? We did What was that one called? Oh, oh the long Island medium? That was interesting. Whoa. I'm just scared to do that.

Did she actually figure stuff out about you guys that, like, she did. Yeah, she was a little bit more in tune with me and I was bummed because Lauren really wanted to go. She was like the ones like, come on, I'm like, I know I'm a skeptic, but I feel like she like singles out the skeptics. I was even.

Some of the stuff did apply to me. Yeah. Like I wanted to go see if she could talk to my grandpa. Oh, and she described him perfectly. It was so weird. She's like, is your daughter's room in your house normally colder than the rest of the rooms? Oh, yeah. And I was like, yeah. And she's like, it's because your grandpa's watching over her. I'm really, she's caring. Okay. It gave me chills. I was like, her daughter DMed us and was like, oh, your twins are boy girl. Yeah.

Just like my mom said they were. My mom said they were. I'm actually, yeah. Yeah, her daughter DMed us. By the way, if you want to know your genders, who they are. Wait, we actually had, um, it was not a medium. It was a psychic or what, how do they describe themselves? Somebody on a brand trip that we were on was like,

I think they were somewhat, I don't know if they were someone's plus one or if they were just on the trip too, but they were just like in a conversation and she said that she, yeah, I was riding with Griffin and she was like, he's not blue eyes. And we're like, she's like, he's a boy and he's not blue eyes. Yeah, we're like, I'm like, look dude, I got dark brown eyes. These are really dark brown eyes and I have his green eyes. So like, our kids are not gonna have blue eyes. Griffin has freaking blue eyes.

That's so crazy. And they blue eyes. That's so crazy, right? And this ain't change. That is so weird. Hey, real quick, if you could please leave our podcast or review, it would mean the world to us. It only takes just a couple of seconds and you can do that on Spotify, Apple Podcasts or wherever you're listening to our podcast on.

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in pushing the podcast out to more people and now back to the episode. Or you can even like share it with a friend. Hey, yeah, could you share this with a friend? Okay, thanks, back to the episode. So you go on a show at the Long Island medium. What's another one too? This is like so fascinating.

So you try. House hunters? Yeah, we are both on that one. House hunters. But it was mostly about him. Real estate. And you guys were looking for house, or you guys were?

No, I was the realtor. Oh, cool. Yeah. Cool. Okay. What's another one? I feel like I've done random ones. We're doing one for ABC.

It's called the game show show. It's actually out in like a couple weeks I'm excited to see that one. Yeah, that's cool. It's a whole like Docu series about like Finding love on TV and like where it started versus where it is now It's kind of about all the different series that ABCs come out with So that's pretty cool. We did that Lauren cried Always

Cool, what else do you do? They pay you? Yeah, we went to us like listen to your heart. Have you ever heard? Oh? Yeah, listen to your heart. It was only one season. It was kind of a mix between the voice and the bachelor It's pretty bad It was like a mix between the two watch me go find all the We're gonna go now we're gonna go binge all your TV shows. No, I'm gonna lie. Are they paying you for these or do they just like,

do you just get, yeah, do you do a little bit? Yeah, it depends. Yeah, it depends. Because I saw like some TikTok pull up the other day of someone who was like, I went on, I've gotten to debt to be on the Bachelor. Like they bought all these clothes for the show. Oh, I could see that.

And I guess they went on the show, but like they spent all these clothes for the show. Oh, I can see that. And I guess they went on the show, but like they spent like everything they had to basically bike at wardrobe or the show. I don't know. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah, the contestants aren't paid. Oh, only the lead is. Really?

That's really interesting. You have to go work for all that time. My boss was like, you have to go. That's cool. He's like, your job will be here when you get back. That's awesome. That's nice. Then you ended up being gone a very long time.

Yeah, I was gone the whole time. And then I came back and I just couldn't work anymore. I was like, I tried it for like, I don't even know, a week. A week, a week, maybe. What were you doing at the time? I was doing technology sales. So I was like going into office buildings and talking to people, but it was just like too weird.

Thanks for holding my face out there. So like a lot of people are asking me, like what happened and then I'd go cry in the bathroom because he had just broken up with me. Oh, that's so sad. I couldn't talk about it for ever. Gosh, yeah, that was so strange. I forgiving you. It's been a long time. It's been a long time. It's been a long time. And since then now, you've grown a family. Yes. I can't even believe you guys.

We're good at that. Yeah, you've got twins. We are done. You're done having. Yeah, man. I asked you the other day. You think they're having more kids. I was like, no.

You see their YouTube video? Yeah, we're not doing anymore. The missakumi video. Oh, you got a post on the statue. And it's recommended to me, actually. Really? They're like, of a section. It was recommended to me actually. Really, they're like, you need this. It wasn't like a comic. It was in the movie.

It almost filled inside the room, but I were like, yeah, too close. Oh my god. That is hilarious. Was that painful? I was like, oh really? It was very painful. Well, okay, not for everyone though, just for our.

I have like some, like what is it called, resistance to lidocaine. So it doesn't really work on me. Why do I have like some uh of like what is it called resistance to lidocaine so it doesn't really work on me. Why do I kind of feel like I do? I felt like I felt everything. No. Yeah. Lauren is in the room with the hilarious. We are funny enough did a test where it tells you like things that you might have genetically going on with you and it said that lidocaine probably won't work for him and we just forgot and he went to that. Is that what they use like after birth when they're giving you stitches, Lydokane?

Maybe. Because my doctor's like, I think there's something wrong because I've given you as much as you could have. I was like, I can feel everything, ma'am. And she was like, I don't think you're taller, like I don't think that it's working. I think it is Lydokane.

But you have a under-roll. It's called, what is it? Yeah, but it wore off before I, oh, not all the way, but it was just a bad situation. I can't look at it. I can't look at it. I can't look at it. I can't look at it. I can't look at it. I can't look at it. I can't look at it. I can't look at it. I can't look at it.

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So I realized you mentioned while we were talking that you were a race car driver and I totally forgot about that. Are you like, do you race it all anymore? Like how long did you do that for? No, not really. I did it for 20 years. Like, that's what I thought.

I know I'm 41. 41. 41. And so like my whole life was that. You know, I, as a kid, I would go to the racetrack with my dad and I was like, that's all I wanted to do. So I did it for a long time. And when we first got together, I was still racing.

So we went to Australia. We got to go all over the place and race to look. But ever since I had kids, it's just like, not the priority. You know? Yeah. I was a professional until 2008, until the real estate crash. And then ever since, oh wait, it's more been like a race here and there for fun. But it's not my actual profession. Gotcha. Gotcha.

But for a while, it was like your full-time thing. Like that was how you made an income was like racing cars. Yeah, it was awesome. That is dope. That is really cool. I raced in the Indy 500 and saw it. I checked That is really cool. I race in the Indy 500 and so I checked off Wait, what the Indy 500? Yeah, I know I don't even like watch and ask car anything, but I know what that is Yeah, so the Indy 500 is probably like the biggest race I did my dad wanted to I so he's like the legend over there Your dad was a race car driver. Yeah, whoa, that's dope. Yeah, so

But yeah, so now now it's just like another lifetime. I was like, would that be one of your kids like ends up racing cars? I have a feeling, I have a feeling that Santa will be. It's gonna be Santa. Really? She loves watch racing with me and she's like, she'll get on like a little, we have like a bumper car.

She can maneuver that around anything. It's like, she's saying. She's saying. And just figured out right away. anything. It's like, she's saying. She's saying. She's saying. She's saying. She's saying. She's saying. She's saying.

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Cute. I can't wait to figure out like, what Gurfins gonna do. I know. I'm like, I've already decided, well, you know what, he can do, he can do what everyone should do. But like, I'm really hoping that he either loves surfing,

skateboarding or snowboarding. Because like, I love those sports so much. And if he liked one of them, then we'd like, get, we'd have to. Bond. Let's go on walking. Yeah, we're gonna walk on walking first, but we'll get there.

What is, okay, what does your day to day look like? Because I know, obviously you're a realtor and you guys both do social media like full time. I'm always seeing like you guys posting your stuff. I don't know, what does your day to day look like? I'm so curious. Three kids. Yeah.

Better little little kids. Yeah, three little kids. Well, it's always different. Yeah, it's always different Wake up early six early. We have our coffee or like he has coffee and I have something else No, so three kids We really you don't need coffee wow, okay, No, so we have our time in the morning first. Then we get the kids up, we do breakfast with them. I work out every morning, I try to every morning, and then we're in this.

Like at like a six? No, like eight, probably, or nine, if I take a lesson to school. Then we work, I try to hang out with the kids, like when they're awake and then work again, when they're not being and Then we do family time for dinner and yeah, Lauren like has like so many things going on with different brands And I'm basically full on with the app right now. I would say that's more my full-time job I kind of put a pause on real estate this year to focus on it and

It's been rewarding and it's really cool to see other people go on these like dates and like Get the feedback loves watching your guys a video Yeah, it's so fun. It looks so cool and people just ate that up so it was yeah talk about your app because it's really cool We've been on a surprise day. We're due for another surprise date Yeah, explain for viewers for people that don't know what duo is Explain what that app is. Do you want to go for it? I always do. It's called Dates on Duo. Dates on Duo. Yeah, yeah. So the app is Dates on Duo, as you guys know. We created it to kind of replicate our experience.

We had dating on the show. So couples that sign up for the premium membership, they go for dates where neither one of them know what they're doing. Normally it's an activity first, and we like to put people in situations where they can learn something new about each other or that challenges them in some way, just to kind of like bring a new dynamic into their relationship.

And then the second portion is usually a meal of some kind. Yeah. So it's free to download. There's like tons of like, we call it dateiration and the you can swipe kind of like a Tinder feature like on dates that you like And there's just like hundreds of date. We just like release location based dates So if you're in LA or Phoenix or in Chicago You'll see like date ideas that are around you and so we're slowly rolling that out for the rest of the country

But yeah, it's cool. I think it's it's fun to like for us on the back end, we can see because the app asks you like, hey, take a take a photo in this moment or whatever. So we get to see what the people are doing on the dates. And right now we have 15 date planners that are they're really good and these dates are happening all over the country. And so I go on the back end and I like check out all the photos that they're taking. And it's like so cool to see couples like experiencing new things and having a good time. Yeah, there's a lot of social media stuff too. And like, that's my favorite part about it right now.

I was just seeing like the reals that they put together of like their dates and stuff like that. Yeah, I feel like the logistics behind an app like this had to be like almost nightmare to figure out because I'm like, it was for like our experience. Like we just got, it just said, let's heat things up and then it just had a location. There was like a little preface, it was like, this is gonna seem sketchy,

but Jason will be there or Justin or whatever. And it was like, just trust us. And so I was like, this is literally like a TV show. Yeah, me. We did pull out, it was a sketchy location. I feel like, this is literally like a TV show. Yeah, yeah. We did pull out, it was a sketchy location. I mean, we had no idea. It was so, we were blowing glass. It was like a thousand degrees.

What, what's that thousand? I didn't know that we could do that. Like, I didn't know that we'd be qualified to like, low glass. And now we have four beautiful glass pieces that we made. It was so cool. It was so cool. And you do this all over,. Wait, is it globally?

We're all over the US. In the US. Yeah, so you can download it globally, but the premium feature where we like planetate for you is just US. Okay. Yeah, so we plan dates like all over the country, obviously, and even Alaska, which is a lot of cool. Yeah, we've got our stuff from the coolest ones.

Oh my gosh. Like in Alaska, what are they doing? Like dog sledding. Like that's like you could do ice fishing. Ice fishing. That's dumb. What else? We've done like trapeze dates where you learn how to do trapeze.

That was like one that I sent a friend on that I thought it would be cool for him. Oh yeah, we sent a couple to circus class where they learn how to be in a circus. Oh that's awesome. One more risqué one was we sent a couple figure drawing where you draw a nude figure No, someone's naked and you're drawing them wait wait wait wait, but this is a surprise for both of them

They explicitly said we want the weirdest thing ever They're like think tantric and I'm like, okay, these two are freaks. Like, we're gonna send them doing something. Think what? They're like tantric. What is that? It's like a, it's like a, how do I describe it? I don't know, no, it's still actually.

Do you mean in Google it? So you don't have to come up with your own definition. It's private arguments, it's about sex. It's about sex. Well, I saw one of them. It's like holding poses and like holding yourself back from, oh my gosh. Oh, wow.

They really sent it. They really wanted to go crazy. So you guys are like bet. We will send you to go draw a naked person. You know, there's not something kind of off the wall. Yeah. Something different. That's what we're saying.

It's yoga. Well, there is tantric yoga. OK, maybe I need to find a different that. That's what you're saying. It's yoga. Well, there is tantric yoga. OK, maybe I need to find a different that. That's cool. What's the idea? There was a spicy suggested one we had. Well, we were like, because we got the app, and you know, you have to sit the one

almost go to a sex shop. I was like, man, we can do that. We've never been to one. That would be it. The closest I've been to is Victoria's secret. Find out we're the most boring people in the world. Yeah. Whatever is happening is working because you're always pregnant.

Oh, I've got an act of thought. I've been getting an eye-to-eye. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my God. So, have the app. You're kind of doing that full-time now? Yeah, full-time. It's full.

Well, as well as being a dad. Yeah, like, yeah, exactly. Yeah, everything else. I feel like that's like taking up the majority of my time. I build these men cave, he's jackhammering every day now. True. Oh, you have a man cave. Well, I'm trying to get a man cave. Are you a loud one man cave?

Am I a lawing one? Are you allowed in it? Oh, is it just for you? Oh, we haven't talked about that yet. Yeah, I mean, I think I have your boundaries. Yes, of course. Of course. What are you doing with it?

So we have a property we bought this place a couple years ago and had this bar in the back, but we don't have horses. So I was like, it'd be so sick to like, you know, make it like dark and moody, put on my cars in here. Race simulator. Wait, you have multiple like cars, are you like a car collector? Well, I have old Indie cars that are raised

and then I have like a couple cars Lauren bought me a car What is in there his dad's car? Yeah, my dad's race cars my dad wants a place to like put his race cars How many race cars are we talking he's got he's got three okay? Wow and I have one and then I have like my high school truck that Lauren loves Oh my gosh, she wants me to get rid of this thing so bad Oh my gosh. She wants me to get rid of this thing so bad. It's right there.

It's right there you can see it. Oh, that's right. There's something about low ride. It's a low ride or so. No. Yeah, I was like the first car that like I felt like I bought new. Yeah.

And so I think it's sick. You bought a new car in high school? No, right after high school. Oh, okay. That was makes fun of me because I'm like attached to my high school car. This thing was piece of crap. It couldn't even make it down like the road.

It was a semi mile-to-go. It was a good breakdown all of crap. It couldn't even make it down like the road. It was a semi-melt, all the time. It couldn't really go up hills very well. She would like to stop. But she loved this car. Like she just really liked this car. I like the car so much. I couldn't say that for college, my brother killed the car.

Oh, yeah. It couldn't go on highways, so I couldn't take it to college with me. It was that bad. Like literally, we couldn't go over highways, so I couldn't take it to college with me. It was that bad. Like it literally, we couldn't go over like 14. It was like, yeah, it was time. You make something for that all the time. I love my Chevy Malibu.

Switch, switch, switch, switch, the subject. We also watch another one of your TV shows. It's weird. It was, I was airing at the time. And the traders, which service was that on? Did we watch that on P-Coc? P-Coc? Yep. We watched P-Coc.

I think your brother has P-Coc and we just like, we had a happy time. We had a happy time. We had a happy time. We had a happy time. So we're like, ah, we'll watch traders on P-Coc. And why don't we spoil the ending? But like.

Matt Benj watched. We watched like four episodes. It's become like very popular. Oh, I didn't think, I didn't know. You know, you never know. It's a new show. So you're thinking like, okay, it could gain some popularity,

but it's up for like an MBT or MTV, mute, movie, people's choice awards. Is that what? No, it's an MTV. I don't know, whatever. A lot of people watch this. Acolades, something. Yeah.

And I was stoked that people enjoyed it. I love doing it. It was kind of the same feeling of doing the Bachelor of the League. You were kind of in captivity doing reality TV and it was long hours, but made it to the end, made it to the finale. Yeah. And it was an experience.

It was a really cool concept. Because wait, this was like season one of it, right? Yeah, so it's season, so first season, and it's been, it's aired in different countries, and it's really worked there. So they brought it to the US. Okay. And apparently it's been re-upped for season two,

but it'll be different cast. Okay. And the game will change a little bit, so somebody can't, I don't know. Use the same strategy as this season's winner. Gotcha. Yeah, we kinda give a little description of the game. Essentially, like 20 people show up to a castle in Scotland

and three people are selected to be traders. And from that moment forward, the whole group is trying to figure out who the traders are. Every night, there's somebody banished by your peers. And if you banish a trader, that's like a good thing because at the end, if you are faithful, which is the other side of the coin, the 17 others, you split the cash at the end. But if there's a trader amongst you, they get to keep all of it. So the whole thing is like trying to figure out who's being deceptive and you know, you pick up on little things that you're trying to like grasp or straws because you don't know

anything bad anybody. So you're just kind of like, you know what, you look a little suspicious over there. Like, I don't like your face. Or those don't like you. They're like your straighter. Yeah. Yeah, like you, you know, you were,

I don't even know. It's like the dumbest things came up and I'm like, okay, sure, as long as it's not me, this guy's going home. It was so funny watching his viewers. There was one guy in the beginning of your show that was like, I mean, I just knew as a viewer that he definitely was not a trader,

but he just would not stop talking. And everyone on the show, everyone shows like this guy has to be a trader. Yeah. He boned him out and I'm like, well, it's kind of cool because it wasn't half TV person. Like people who have been on TV before and then half or just yeah So I was cast because you know, they're like, oh if he could deceive if he could deceive this, you know

The women 30 women he could definitely be a trader, you know, and it was kind of personalities like that They had a brandy from the real housewives They had also that Reza from Shaw's? There was Brandon, who was the other like, Kate, Kate Chastain, Yes. Hello, deck. So it was always a Ryan Lockty,

you know, the Olympic gold swimmer. Yes. You know, he was in that scandal where he lied about getting robbed, like robbed. I didn't even know that. See, I didn't know anything about all the other contestants. Yeah. So we literally just watched, he's like, oh, Ari's on a TV show. Let's watch it. Like, we were just like, I don't even know that. See, I didn't know anything about all the other contestants. We literally just watched it. We're like, oh, Ari's on a TV show.

Let's watch it. We were just like, I don't know. Every person there had something about their backstory that made them suspicious. Really? That's cool. I didn't even know that. I don't even understand reality TV that much because I haven't watched a lot of it. I've never been a reality TV person, really.

How is the show different than other shows? Like, isn't there like a show called Big Brother or shows where other people vote? Someone was from Big Brother on there. They're from Pepebel, yeah. Yeah. I mean, every show has a different concept, I think. And this is kind of an interesting one because it's a competition show, but it's really like a social experiment.

Because they're like, you have to get together. There's no influence from producers. They're just like, okay, who do you think is deceptive? Like, who don't you trust and why? And you're like, well, I don't trust Abby because she looks kind of funny. Honestly, Abby, it's terrible on the show. Oh, it's suck.

I would be so bad. There's nothing to go after. There's such a, like, can't lie. I'm such a bad liar. You know, they'll just come up with the weirdest things and then like one person says it and then it goes through the whole group. That's what's interesting.

They're like everyone's convinced then. Yeah. My favorite was that guy, Quentin. Every single week he would say it's Kate. And no one else would be on his side. He's like, it's Kate. Yeah. I don't know.

So people just had it out for each other. I just felt so bad. Should we talk about the edding or no? Is that what you're talking other. Dude, I just felt so bad. Uh, should we talk about the, I'd think her no. Is that you could talk about it? Yeah. Dude, I just felt so bad for the people at the end that were like so convinced that they were gonna get all that money and then like, lady took it at the end. Yeah, she took it.

Like, what? Oh, I just felt horrible, you know? I just, oh, I know she like backs up me and then also obviously took all the money. Yeah. Because we were like, you know, that was so dirty. We were like, we're gonna split it together. And then, she threw it in on the fire, which is like basically to like keep the game going.

And I was like, oh no. Are there parts from these shows that are cut that like you lived and you're like, how the frick did they cut that? Like it's like integral to it. But it's not. I was so mad at the end. But it's not the narrative they want to show.

So they're gonna cut sections just to, just show they're narrative, right? Yeah, that's very frustrating. That always happens. Really? It would be interesting. We'll see what's cool about it is that as a viewer, you know who the traders are, but it would be also

interesting if you, like, we didn't, if the viewer didn't know, too. I don't even know if that would work though. Is there anything that you can share? I don't want to get you with legal trouble, but is there anything that you can share that was like, this happened at this point? Like, yeah. And in a show, and it pissed me off because like, they didn't show it.

Like, this whole, of course. Yeah. So, so during the trader, is there was another contestant Amanda, and she was going through IVF. Okay. And she couldn't afford it. And her thing was like, I want to win. So I can afford IVF.

Yeah. Okay. I was like, I win. I'll pay for your IVF. Like, okay, for it. Like, if we win together, you can have my share. Because at the time, I was like, I win, I'll pay for your IVF. Like, I'll pay for it. Like, if we win together, you can have my share. Cause at the time I was a faithful. So then, Sari, who won the game, she's like,

now I'm a trader and now like, I know I'm probably gonna win, I'm getting close. She's like, what do you get to use the money for her? And I was like, I'll probably pay for Amanda's IVF. Like, she wasn't on the show at this time. She's like, oh, that's nice. And then we get down to the end, she goes, and then she's like, we had the other two convinced

that we were all faithful. So they were thinking we're all splitting the money. So we go around the fire, and she goes, I wanna keep going to banish. And then I was like, while we're all faithful, she's like, well, it's clear you don't need the money because you have your house on Hawaii and How would you know this though if you guys don't have your phones right like how?

Because people just know they all know okay because that's the bad part about being One of the TV personnel yes because they watch your YouTube Yeah, so you're like they know everything about you so So she's like, well, you know, you clearly don't need it. And she's like, we're gonna, I'm just gonna put my vote in to ban a shoe because like, we need a more. Like I'm a nurse, he's gonna be a dad, you know? They're gonna be a dad, like two of the people were expecting. And I was like, she did me so dirty because she knew

I was gonna keep it anyway. You weren't gonna keep it anyway. I wasn't gonna keep it, you know? But I was like, ah, me so dirty because she knew I was good. You weren't gonna keep it anyway. I wasn't gonna keep it, you know, but I was like, ah, she just wants to win it all. She's getting greedy. Yeah. And then they didn't show that whole part. They didn't show any of that.

No, that's right. That's right, because I didn't, yeah. I feel like that was like so part of the story. Oh my gosh. Yeah, they just skipped over that whole thing. Yeah. But then how did they even like... People are so confused.

I quit the game. Oh. And then because I was like, I'm like, she's gonna, everyone's gonna get me. But hold up. Is there any way that you could have told the other two people like, they're not sure, like, or would you get in trouble, obviously? Like, how do they keep you from saying, yeah, the contestants? Okay, she just screwed me over.

Hey, banish her. She's, she's not a faithful. She's a traitor. You can't say it. It, yeah, the contestants. Okay, she just screwed me over. Hey, banish her. She's not a faithful. She's a trader. You can't say it. It's not against the rules. Oh, it's against the rules, man. If you're a trader, you can't say like you're a trader. Would they go after you legally? Because like, there's a lot of money on the line

for the show. Could they go after you legally? I think they could. I think they could. Quarter of a million. Dang. That's a lot of money on the line. Yeah, it's money.

Crazy. That was an exciting ending though, honestly. Yeah, it's money. Crazy. That was an exciting ending though honestly. The next reality show, the Lawrence, could have gone, because I want to watch it. Yeah, what are you going to do? I'm not traders. Now you guys maybe want to go on a reality show. Even though I'm like, you know what?

We could get freaking screwed by a reality show, but now I'm like, this is kind of cool. No, how long did it get to be gone to film? We were considering maybe doing amazing race. We would love to do that together. We've talked about that. That'd be fun. But we have to be away from the kids for a month and you can't even like,

I don't think you can even face that. No, we're not. No, no. No shot at me do that. We were gone for three days on a cruise and Abby was crumpling for three days. I was like, do two to three days. We'll be all so far.

It was actually really sad. Mago's, I feel like I'm never gonna get you back. Aw. I was like, can we just unplug? I was like being a dad. I was like, look dude, like I love our kids. I love our kids so much, but like can we just like focus on us for three days? Like three days. Three days. I'm the same way.

I get my pictures all like, because he started crawling while we were gone. All three days. That's hard. Yeah. Watch me try that now. breaking. That's hard. Yeah, watch me try that enough. Don't No, even on for our anniversary trip We took like a three-day trip to a different island from Maui and Like after two days. I'm like, okay, I could go back to them now

It's hard because it's like you're thinking about them constantly and so then all of a sudden You're like thinking about them, but you can't see them But all you want when you're in it every day is to have that time away. Yeah, I'm like, it means like one minute. Yeah, yeah. Let me go the bathroom. Like, it's hard.

That is a tough part about parenting. I feel like when you're like in the early stages of being a dad or a mom, it's like you, you might sometimes long for that freedom that you used to have. And you're like, man, I'm just like a different, I'm like a different version of myself now like I wish I could go back Yeah to us before kids, but then like Honestly like things just like evolve and they change and it almost just gets better So like you're probably feeling like the beginning you know like the being a dad for the first year

It's a huge transition for anyway. Yeah the first year, it's a huge transition for anyone. Yeah. I feel like it's a bigger transition to go from zero to one than like one to three for us, for example. Yeah. He's like, I wake up in the morning when he wakes up and then I'm feeding him breakfast and then it's just like, yeah, like all this time that he used to have for me, it's just God, you know, and it's cool. I love him so much, but I'm just like, wow, like that, my life is very different now. Very, very different. I sent her this thing on Instagram the other day.

It was like, If you don't have kids, we can't relate. Yeah, it's like, if you don't have kids and you can't get your stuff together and get all your stuff accomplished and your goals and your dreams, like what? Really?

You have all the time in the world. I'm like, of the people say they're tired and they don't have kids. You're kind of like, you don't even have a lot. But like, I shouldn't be like that. I'm like, you're mad. It's so sad but true. But it's cool though, like how it can give you new perspective. And while like, I don't know, while you're so busy, like being a parent, sometimes it almost like makes you,

I don't know, really plan out, okay, I only have this much time so I need to get this done. And that time is more efficient. Tart it on. It's one of the things where it's like you go from like, not doing as much to doing way more, but then you're more productive I guess, because you're busy, doesn't make sense?

Yeah, we're the same way. We're the same way. We are like, we get so much done in a day, and it's like we have way less time than a non-cal. I used to be late to everything and now I can get ready like 15 minutes. We're still working on that. We're still late.

We're still later. No, not because I'm getting ready. That's true. Because I'm optimistic about time. How do you guys like being content creators? When did you decide, okay, we're on this team, we've been on TV shows, maybe we should just like make our own show,

like post on social media and see how that goes. Like was that, when did you guys decide that? I feel like it wasn't really ever a decision that we made. I feel like you're kind of thrust into it. Really? So like, yeah, cause at the end of the show, there's so curious. People are so curious. Eyes on us, yeah. I think honestly, of the show, there's so many eyes on us.

I think honestly, we did it, not really realizing we were doing it, but we wanted to tell our story after we saw how the show played out. We're like, okay, they didn't show any of our relationship. They didn't show my personality at all. And I'm like, we kind of want to have our own narrative. So we just started like showing people what we were doing.

And we were like, I don't know, it was just funny. Like at the time, we weren't really thinking of it this way. But we were kind of hoping people would come around and like just see who we were for who we are instead of us on the show, you know? It was very different. And how do you like that? Does it feel good to have control of the narrative?

It's much nicer to have control of. Yeah, people are like, oh man, I just never knew that side of you. And how do you like that? Does it feel good to have control of the narrative? It's much nicer to have control of. Yeah, people are like, oh man, I just never knew that side of you. It was so cool to see your family and your dynamic and how you guys parent. So it's fun. It's totally fun. We love looking back at old YouTube videos because we document just family stuff, get milestones, and it's so fun to go look back and win a lesson. It was just first walking and capturing that stuff on film

is like, I think when you are a content creator you're so used to getting your phone out or your camera out and getting a moment. And I think since we do it every day we can still be in the moment and still capture it. I think a lot of people struggle with, oh I don't want to put my phone out because I want to be in the moment. But I think the more you do it, I think a lot of people struggle with, oh, I don't want to put my phone out because I want to be like in the moment.

Yeah. But I think the more you do it, I feel like you can do both. Yeah. And it's still fun to watch all those videos back. Yeah, that's true. Now that your parents, it's funny, I was talking to Arby for the podcast.

It's like, is there anything that I should like, bring up or anything that like, I should it bring up? And he mentioned some sort of, I, he mentioned something that happened with, I guess another big podcast a couple years ago. Oh my gosh. Wait, is this how he said don't bring up? No, I don't.

I said, I'm bringing it up. I'm sorry. I said if you want to get Lauren fired up, bring up this. So he mentioned that call her daddy had said some, they had an episode, this is like, I mean, they had an episode. This is like five years ago, right? Why did you do it in one day? Yeah.

They, they, because I want to call them out. Because it's the past, we've never talked about. We're calling them out, right now. We're calling them out. Calling them out. You know what I mean? Yeah. So what happened?

So can we, so can we explain what happened? Because look, okay, I'm sure they're, they probably forgot to even have this on their show. Five years ago or four years ago, whenever this was. But essentially, from what I understood, from what I gathered from what Ari told me, you guys were pregnant with Alessie and you guys. I think Ari had been doing these silly, cute videos where you're talking as if you're Alessie and I was just breaking down.

Just a caption. It was like a bump photo and then he would do like we would like alternate every other week where we would write the caption from Baby Lessie or Baby Lion I get the time. So we would kind of be like okay today were the size of a watermelon good because like I love watermelon. It was just like dumb rhyming. Like your book. Yeah, that's where my book came from.

That's where the idea for the book came from. Oh yeah, okay. So we would do that every week and just like update people on the status of like what happened in our lives with the pregnancy every week. And they kind of did it after she was born. They didn't do it while we were here.

Cause we continued her page in like a baby pictures of her like, we do it every week. We'd be like, Hey, I was like first week on earth. It her like we do it every week be like hey I was like first week on earth. It's like sweet. We walked for the first time and you know like things like that Mm-hmm, and they decided that it would be really funny to make fun of baby lion dyke or baby lessie on The podcast and they were I don't remember what it was because so long ago But I was really pissed because they would talk about her and then they would

say stuff about like her being on a stripper pole or like what? There would be like the next sentence would be about like BJs and just like really inappropriate things. Yeah, like the scroll was so ratchet, you know, so baby classless. The person like the people that are listening to it, I'm like they're not parents probably and like if they were, they would be really disturbed by a baby being mentioned next to another sentiment like that. No, that would make me.

I was like, an audience. Was this a guest on the show? No, this is the host. This is a weekly thing. Every week, they're like, baby, a little baby. Oh, they made it like every episode. It was like a segment in their- And they use your name?

Yes, they're all lessies. Where is this the current host of Call of Hary And they use your name? Yes, they'll use these. Where is this the current host of Call of Duty or the old hook? Her and the other one together. Oh, that's so inappropriate. I know, so. Anyway, he was like, don't do anything about it. I was about to hire a lawyer.

I was going to bring attention to it because I didn't want it to grow even more. I mean, it sounded like, you know, we're like sexualizing your child. And honestly, they should be in big trouble for doing that. That's not okay. But I never said anything because he's like, if you do something about it publicly,

it's gonna make it bigger. That's always the fear. You're like, are you gonna feed the fire? Yeah, I'm like, I'm like, oh, is this what they want? Honestly, do they wanna have like a public feud with me or something? So I was like, all right, I won't pay any attention to it,

but we felt that way too. Now I don't pay any attention to it, but we felt that we felt that way too Yeah, I don't want to get to into it. It's too recent, but like the future Sorry, okay, should I not even talk about it? Yeah, I'm cute. We tell me later Yeah, I feel like you can say yes Whatever I was but your baby feel that way too. Yeah, okay, I'm gonna find a me But don't talk about my daughter. Yeah, that's where like it drew the line for us But it was like a weekly segment it was so Did me with a lawyer really and then he was like don't do it. He's like

What was it? Barsville sports is like the whatever behind it? Yeah, yeah Yeah, like they get cease and just this letters all the time and they post them make fun of them. Oh really? Yeah, I probably want to say it worse honestly. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like, all right, well, hopefully this will blow over. Dang. People still remember that, obviously. That is the most infuriating thing when you have to wait, like when you want something to blow over,

but it just like, you're just like living through it. Waiting it out. That's hard because it was like a reoccurring thing. It was like every week. Yeah, I feel like our skin is like way tougher too. I feel like that word time is tough. You guys have to be so tough. Well, and I was postpartum, I had just had a baby.

Oh gosh. No one can mess with the postpartum. You guys must be the toughest people out there. Like after going through reality TV where they can just do anything to you, like you guys must be so tough. Yeah, okay, actually here's a good question. How do you feel about, I've always been told

all publicity is good publicity, but then you go through something like that and you're like this sucks, right? What time into April Fool's joke did not go over well, but then he did it again. I don't know why Wait, what did you do really bad maybe three times wait what happened the first time? I did do it three times. No, you did you you taunted them again and you like did a video of bread and oven You're like, oh I was three. I was making, wow. It was really bad. It was really beautiful.

The first one was like a pregnancy one. You know, like she had ate a lot that night. She can push out her belly. So, you were, wait, this was a prank on you or on your audience. No, just on the audience. Oh, okay. Very bad.

Don't do it. Don't ever wait. Why were they, oh, she, because you were not actually pregnant. Oh, the egg prank. This is before, Lessi, this is before any of my friends had it for totally struggles. Like, I learned really quickly that a pregnancy joke

is not good. Oh, yeah, just never do it. That makes sense. We're very, very new. Two social media, no, new to just being, like, that was like highly intensitive. So I'm just saying that, that was bad. No, that was bad press, that like that. That was bad, oh, you got like just saying that that was bad. No, that's bad press. That was bad.

Oh, you got like a bunch of stuff. Very bad press. Oh shoot. And it didn't, it wasn't good. No. No, I feel like it could have done without all that. I feel like it could have been okay without all that. No, because like, yeah, when we've gotten hate, like people be like, well, bad publicity's

good publicity. I'm like, I don't forget the it is. Like this sucks, dude. This really sucks. Yeah. I feel like you're like your world, like is. This sucks, dude. This is really sucks. I feel like your world, you guys are obviously, we're not very big on TikTok. We maybe do a TikTok like once a month. I don't even know.

But I feel like on TikTok, things spread so fast. That's true. It's the most negative one. Negative stuff on there goes way quick. It's stitches and do that. It stitches and do that. You gotta take those off. Yeah.

Because anybody can just take a three second a three-second clip of yours. Now people are going to hear us say this and they're like, oh, they don't have it on. We're going to screen record it. No, we don't have. No, we're going to take it off. But no, no, no. The thing is, it makes it so easy.

Because someone can, in one minute, someone can go, think, I want this three-second clip of Matt and Abby saying this, and then they can just go on a rant. And then boom, post it. Like, it takes them one minute to do it. When if you want a screen record, you have to go through all these steps to screen record and make your video

and put it in an editing software. And that probably takes 30 minutes. So TikTok makes it easy for people. And it can really easy for people to hate on other people. Ah, I got you. There's more hoops on other platforms. You'd have to like download it and then edit it. Yeah.

I can't all happen in the app as much. Right. And I also think the algorithm makes drama thrive like in a way. Oh yeah. And like the search bar? Yes, that is an issue. That's ridiculous.

If you had one piece of advice to give to somebody that just found out that they were expecting twins, what would you give them? I'll let you take this one. Hmm. Is that a tough question? No, I mean, let me think about it for a second. I think, oh man, there's just nothing to prepare you.

Were you? Yeah, that's gonna be such a wild moment. I would just say... Don't be afraid to get help. Honestly, I would say the biggest tip when you have twins is to get them both on the same schedule. I feel like that's the one thing that every twin mom told me. And I was like, okay, like, sure.

Like I have a less young a schedule. But the important thing is to, if one baby wakes up to eat, you wake the other baby up to eat. And that is the only way you'll stay sane because if you don't, they will alternate all day and night. And you'll never sleep and you'll never get a break.

So I would say that is my biggest piece of advice. Yeah, we live and die by the schedule. Yeah. Wow. Especially in the beginning, it was like, we had a chart. It was like, yeah, we had a whole binder. We would document every diaper, every bottle, every nap, everything. That was survival.

Yeah. Yeah. Did you guys do sleep training with the, do you guys do taking care of babies? We did. Yeah. Okay. Taking care of babies. Yeah. We did that too. She's great. Yeah, Did you guys do sleep training with the, do you guys do taking care of babies? We did, yeah. Taking care of babies, yeah. We did that too. She's great.

Yeah, she was good. Riffin to sleep in gray. I fought it for so long. So Abby, it was funny. You have to. Abby just didn't, like she couldn't, like, let Griffin cry for even like 30 seconds. Well, here's the thing.

I was listening to social media more than I was listening to like research. Doctors and research. Yeah. And so then I was like, this is evil. And then I was like, something, he's not happy either way. Like he's way more happier now. I put him down in his crib, he's like smiling up at me.

Well, you can vouch for me like when Griffin would cry the second I would sprint to his room and go get him in the beginning. And then as I learned that like, no, you have to like let them like figure out like to grab their binky, put it back in their mouth. And so it's like, okay, maybe we let them cry like a minute or two on his own

to see if he can figure it out. And there'd be times where he wouldn't, and there'd be times that he would, but I was trying to, we kinda like tried to do the Furber Method at first, and then eventually it was like, oh, well, we just did take care of this. We didn't stick to it, we just have to pack up

the Furber Method, because Abby was caving, but with the Furber Methods, I mean, with the taking care of babies, because she has all this research and facts to back up Why are you loving it doesn't feel like you're yeah, you know, it's like yeah, it's you know that you're helping your child Good balance now. He sleeps so good. So we're so we're becoming scheduled people to know We used to make fun of people like you guys We'd be like people keep looking on a schedule like what's up with that's so stupid like you

keep looking on a schedule. Like what's up with that's so stupid. Like you know, we have a schedule. We have a schedule. We work around his second nap. I mean, he's so bad at the point where my brother would be like, well, we're gonna have a little birthday party. You know, for, oh yeah, we'd have to be like,

sorry, it's at 1.30. Third down for a nap at that time. Say, rework your birthday party. And then we'll talk. I feel like it's so funny because we've known you guys now for a year, a little over a year, and we've never gotten a chance to just sit down

like this and talk. This has been so much fun, but is there anything else that you wanna share as we wrap things up? I don't know. I still have a million questions for you. I've really enjoyed this. I feel like you answered so many questions

about reality TV for me, but yeah. Any other things you want to do? I don't know. We kind of get you guys on a TV show. That'd be cool. I'm in. If you guys can get us on a TV show, we would so do it.

Yeah, we're gonna pull all the strings. I got so much fun, guys. We could just make our own. That'd be fun. Oh yeah, you could do that too. Create your own TV show. Let's do it. Easy. Yeah, look, we got the lights. We could just make our own. That'd be funny. Oh yeah, you could do that too. Create your own TV show, let's do it. Easy. Yeah.

Yeah, look, we got the lights. We got four freaking cameras. I know, Mads got all this set up cover here. Oh my gosh, you guys. Yeah, that would be so fun. I just, I still can't believe, like, I mentioned like six different, like, things that you guys do. And I just,

Well, I briefly mentioned your book, which we should actually- Yeah, you're an author too. Yeah, I'm like, I'm like, you're a freaking race car driver, author, real estate agent, social media personality. It's really cute, and we need to get it, why are we not having a perfect relationship?

I wasn't done, we need to give it one. Yeah, well, you can go on that. I'm gonna purchase it with a comment. Yes, we'll have, we can go on that. Right there. Yeah, the book is baby Shelley, and it's only available on my website. I need to get it on Amazon. Oh, you gotta get it on Amazon. I's only available on my website. I need to get it on Amazon.

Oh, you got to get it on Amazon. I really do. I really do. I took about the answer to that. Yes, they came out kind of at the same time. And so I'm more focused on that. It's so cute though. So it's like telling your child

that they're gonna get a sibling. Exactly, yeah. But it's like from the baby's perspective. Right. In the womb. Yeah. So cute. Yeah. It was cute. He did a good job. And it has the little. Yeah, so cute. Yeah, yeah, it has the little.

Yeah, you know, it's so funny. I wrote it and then as, you know, a Lessi's gotten older, I've kind of figured out what she likes. And I'm like, keep it short for the parents because we don't want to read a lot. Flaps kids love flaps. Let's do that. You know what I mean? And it just kind of evolved.

But it's a really cute concept. Well, you guys should check out Ari's book. Definitely download their app. Dates on Duo. So cool. I'm so glad we got there. We plan our next surprise day. Or we don't plan it.

We need a book. But I feel like we could talk to you guys for hours. But thank you for being on the podcast. And who knows, maybe we'll have you guys on again in the future. Thank you. Thanks for having us. That's been a lot of fun talking to you guys.

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