The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby - Bradley Steven Perry & Jake Short on Life After Disney, Dating Sabrina Carpenter & Intimate Scenes

Episode Date: May 15, 2024

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register in Canada. Sabrina was my first girlfriend. That's crazy. She's killing it. She just performed her Coachella. Did you guys go to Coachella? No, I was too heartbroken. I signed an autograph recently for someone who didn't know who I was.

And I was like, what's my name? And they're like, nah, just write it down. I'll figure it out. I had like a intimate scene when we fell onto the bed. She need me in the genitals. Oh God. And just went, ah. And everybody started cracking up.

Is the goal so you do Disney and then you want to differentiate yourself? Do you think that they're really picking those projects? God, God, I just want to throw myself away from Disney. I don't want people to know. It's like, no, you go on the audition. If you book it, you book it. It is what it is.

We almost killed the stunt guy on set. What? We didn't almost kill him. Did he go to the hospital after that? Yeah. No, he did the stunt after that. We sat down with Disney Channel stars Bradley, Stephen Perry, and Jake Short, who you probably already know from the hit TV shows Good Luck Charlie and Ant Farm.

After becoming best friends on the Disney show Mighty Med, they've both navigated their careers outside of Disney, but finding work as actors has proven harder than they originally thought. We talk about everything from falling in love with co-stars to filming intimate scenes on set and facing rejection in Hollywood. What's the T on doing, Hi, I'm blank and you're watching Disney Channel. It's a lot harder than people give credit to. Wait, really? Yeah, it's really hard. Show us the art. Well, there's a there's like a there's a green screen Mickey Mouse cutout. Yeah in front of you. You're on like a white screen. Okay

Yeah, you have to you have to trace it out But you have to do it perfectly they have a cutout for you to do have a cutout that you aim a little like stick As so that like little sparkly one thing is a green screen stick and then you but it's backwards Right cuz like the screens flip so you're not doing it the way it looks on screen. That. But it's backwards, right? Because like the screens flip, so you're not doing it the way it looks on screen. That's why it's harder. Realistically, what you would be looking at is not the same as what would be coming across on camera.

That's so tricky. So it takes a lot. Like you do a lot of them. It takes a lot. How many times? I don't think you guys understand how hard my childhood was. Enlighten us.

Probably 15. Yeah, it was probably like 10 or 15. Is it something that everyone got to do or is it more, it's like an honor It's an honor Like honor but like it's not everybody it missed like one year I know someone who did it like three times who was barely on the channel I know someone who did like once who was on it forever kind of strange

I think I did it once once you did it like I only did it once. Yeah, you only did it Oh, maybe you're the person that I know that probably did it once. I think Austin did it twice Yeah, that doesn't make sense. I didn't get to do it. Is that kind of like a badge of honors, like guys, I got to do the Disney Channel thing? People really love to say it at bars. It is the number one thing we get approached with at like, if someone's, if it's 11 o'clock at night

and the drinks are falling, people are like, oh yeah, hey look, oh wow. Yeah, and then you gotta try to not be such a jerk to them and not be like, oh, yeah, how about you leave? It takes a lot, but you got to be like, yeah. I did that. Good one. The one I get all the time, and I

don't know if you can relate to this, was people always be like, oh, good luck, Charlie. And you're like, oh, god. That's the first time I heard that one. You hear that all the time, and you're just like, plus. Just come with something new at least you know, you're just saying the name of the show The thing is is every time that someone says that it's the first time they're getting to say it And it's new for them. You know what it is for me I grew up my last name short and I grew up and everyone's like oh short, but I was short and they go short

Huh really match your last name and I'll be like, yeah guess that's a good man come on it's the pizza I wore oh we got a hey should we go find out what it is and then the unboxing and the other podcast wait did you guys I'm so sorry now I feel bad did you did you like hate me immediately when I was like what was it like doing the Disney show it's better that you asked it so that everyone here that is watching knows you have to say that. So stop telling them quit it.

Do it. At bars. I had to go on this rant, because people don't seem to understand my name at all. This, it's unbelievable how, we just talked about this on our podcast, but so my name is Bradley Perry, right? And when I joined SAG, Screen Actors Guild,

there was already a Bradley Perry. And so to join SAG, you have to have your own name. That's why there's like Michael B. Jordan, Joseph Gordon-Levitt. Yeah, Chad Michael Murray. I don't know, that is weird actually. Joseph Michael Levitt. But so anyway, so I had to put my middle name, but for some reason

people cannot comprehend that. So they think my name's either Bradley Steven. They think my name's either just Steven Perry or just Bradley and my last name is Steven hyphen Perry. Nobody ever thinks perhaps it's just his middle name, but then it's like it becomes super formal. And like, I do have to put it. Did you say Bradley Sperry already? So you're here. Did I say it? What?

What do you mean? No, I wasn't listening. I was thinking about my Fresca. It's been a long day. Were you thinking about DMing Fresca after this to see if you get some free Frescas? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I'm going to talk. People also think my last name is Sperry because my Instagram name is Bradley S. Perry. Oh. So people think it's Sperry, and then I got an email the other day from this company that I was working with

that said Bradley Sperry. I had to be like, no, that's not me. And so they had to go through this chain. But what was funny was, I noticed when they changed like the heading, because the heading was Bradley Sperry, and then a few emails down, then it said Bradley Stephen Perry. That's funny. It's also kind of embarrassing for them.

Is that why people in Hollywood have some more unique names? No, I think that's in general just to differentiate themselves. I'm not going to lie to you. This might sound so dumb. I recently learned that Vin Diesel's not actually named Vin Diesel. You're kidding. Wow. I can't believe I'm learning that for the first time.

Wait, you're just learning that too? I'm very disappointed that that's not. I didn't know that. I just heard that from you. You didn't know? Okay. I feel so much less stupid. What's Vin Diesel's actual name?

I don't know what Vin Diesel is. It's something like super dweeby. I hope Vin Diesel never hears me say that. Oh guys, I'm sorry. It's Vin Gasoline. I'm sorry about that one. I hate to break the news here, but I gotta go. I heard that and I was like, yeah, that's so dumb that other people don't know that.

But I was like, I could have sworn I have Mark Sinclair oh wow that's horrible could you guys do the one name thing would you would you be a one name celebrity like like Rihanna Cher Cher that's so sick Madonna yeah I will never ever be at that level you got gotta be so like so famous. That's a different way of fame. Matt. Nobody else can take that from you. That's pretty good. Were you gonna ask a question? You forgot to ask questions in our last podcast so I wanted to see if you had anything. What you got? I like it a lot. So you all started your careers at a very young age. Yes. And I feel like people talk about child acting a lot nowadays.

I probably always have. But we just watched Quiet On Set and like, did you guys see that documentary? I still have not seen it. Have you seen it? I didn't watch it. No way. It's a lot. It's very.

It's so sad. It's very sad. It's very sad. It was on the Nickelodeon side of things, or the Disney side of things. I guess, I'm curious, so you started at nine. Technically, I started acting at five. At five. Wow, what was your first job?

Commercials. I think that's kind of like how most, I don't know if it's the same anymore, but at the time, most actors usually got in by acting, I'm doing commercials. So I did a local car commercial in Thousand Oaks, California for the GMC, and did that, and it was a non-union gig, and I just loved doing it.

And I kinda compare it to playing a sport and being like, this is the thing I wanna do, and I just kinda told my mom I wanted to keep doing it, and she was like, no. And then I had to just kinda convince her her that I wanted to do commercials so we started slowly doing commercials and then. Hold on. Are you the one that got into commercials or did your mom want you to do commercials?

No, my mom would only let me do commercials. Okay, so you wanted to do it and she was like, all right. Yeah, I just wanted to do it and then it started off as commercials and then I booked a bunch of commercials and then she was like, alright, well maybe you can try theatrical, so then we started slowly doing more like guest spot stuff and I think my first like TV gig was without a trace, did this episode without a trace. How many theaters?

But being a kid and doing this though, did you ever do community theater or unpaid gigs before? Did you kind of go right into it? Dude, I just started doing these commercials and then by the time I would have done any kind of theater work or anything like that, I was already full time on a TV show. So I didn't really have the time.

I actually was thinking about this the other day when I was in New York, I was like, I'd love to do a play, but I have no theater or any kind of live performance background like that. Which is funny to say, having worked on television as much as I did, but I just like the thought of being on a stage like that seems so different and scary to me. You know, but no, I didn't, I didn't do any sort of, I think I played Charlie Brown in my fourth grade. Nice.

Yeah, Charlie Brown Thanksgiving. I did do that. Jake, what about, what about you? What was growing up doing acting like from your story? I'm from Indiana, so I moved out to California when I was like 10, and the first commercial I ever did was for a roller skating dog. What? Was the dog, like the dog had a commercial for it? We've done this, you know we've done this before, right?

Have we? Yes, we have. I'm actually genuinely confused. The dog is on, it had roller skates attached to it and it was like I had like, you know The battery the belly battery turn it on and it would go like this. Yeah Oh the product was confusing. Oh, I'm so sorry. Yeah For roller skating dog, yes glad that wasn't just me. Okay. I'm so confused now So is this like a robot dog that it's like a stuffed animal that

roller skates? It's a stuffed animal dog that roller skates. Yeah. Okay. Poorly you explain that. I did. I did a horrible job. I was actually- You just said I did a commercial for a roller skating dog. Yeah, which is actually impressive. It's a real dog, good roller skate. But then I thought for a second, I thought you're saying it was like a device that you put on your dog to help them roller skate. I'm like, that's so cool. If I were your dog, I want to buy that. I know. I would buy that.

That's the first thing I did. I really did a bad job of explaining that. But no, I did like the same thing. I did a bunch of commercials as a kid, but at the same time I was auditioning for like theatrical and did TVs, movies, everything. But I don't have a extensive theater background. I was recast in my third grade play.

That's no way. Yeah. I didn't even know they did recasting. Yeah, and I don't have a extensive theater background. I was recasting my third grade play. That's brutal. Yeah. I didn't even know they did recasting. Yeah, and when I did like a, I remember. You lost your role? I lost my role. I went, I went, my family went on like a. We're gonna go in a different direction.

A vacation for a weekend, a long weekend, and I missed something on like a Monday or a Friday, and they were like, oh yeah, you're out. Wow. That's cutthroat. Yeah, well, I mean, you gotta think about it. If you're willing to go out. They gave me like two lines for a different role,

but I was like a main role, and they were like, yeah, you're outta here. Yeah, you're I mean, you gotta think about it. They gave me like two lines for a different role, but I was like a main role. And they were like, yeah, you're out of here. Yeah, you're not committed to the work. They gave it to Margaret. I don't know if she took it from me, man. Did you have a moment where you decided that you wanted to do theater or acting in commercials? Was that something that you decided you wanted to do when you were a kid? I just wanted to do anything, honestly, just in front of the camera.

When people were like at that age, attention was really important to me, because I got it from my family, and I was like, this is awesome. I can get it from everyone. I'm sure you know this, you have two kids, they love your attention. So I just fed off of that. And I think you, I'm sure you did too.

It's like, once you get the energy of like a set and people that are praising you for doing something that you think is fun It's it's very addicting. So I was saying the other day I couldn't comprehend on the first commercial I did that I had a character name. So like my character's name was like Andrew so the mom in the commercial had to come out and be like Andrew it's time for dinner and I'd be like Who's Andrew? I'm like no, I'm Bradley they're like, no you're Andrew. And I'm like, no I'm Bradley. And they're like, no you're Andrew. To the point where they just went, okay your name's Bradley. So they changed it into a commercial.

They changed the name? Cute. I just pictured myself sitting there going, no it's not. You're like, I'm not playing these games. Pretty sure my name's Bradley. That's right, it's Bradley. They've been calling me this for five years. Don't talk down to me, first off. I know my name, thank you.

Yeah, so I think I started to learn what a stage, like, or a character name was around the age of seven. When did you guys start getting noticed when you were kids? What age did people start stopping you and wanting a selfie or an autograph? Was it selfies, by the way, or were autographs the thing back in the day? Like, what would people ask you for if they saw you in public?

I guess we were like in the infancy of selfies. That was like 12 years ago or something. I don't think there were selfies, but definitely photographs. Definitely autographs, but definitely photos, yeah. I couldn't tell you the last time I signed an autograph. Honestly. People don't ask for them.

I signed an autograph recently for someone who didn't know who I was. They were like, what are you doing here? And I was like, I'm just with this event. And they were like, oh, you're with the event. They're like, can you sign this? And I was like, what's my name? And they're like, just write it down there.

I'll figure it out. Like, all right. Wait, did they know that you were on Ant Farm? Did they have any clue? No, no idea. It was like a 50-year-old dude. And he was like, what did you do? Why are you here?

I was like, not the reason that you're here. Not the reason? Not the reason. He has no idea. I might be worse. What was the event? Was it like an actor event? Like he was like, oh, you're an actor signed this.

Is that what it was? No, it was a golf event. So it was all athletes. Oh, so he thought you were a professional athlete. Something like that. Okay. And then he saw someone talking to me and he was like, you might be important, maybe,

I don't know. People do that all the time though. People do that. When we were here for the final four thing, like one person recognized us and then everyone recognized us. And even people who didn't recognize us, they were like, there's a crowd over there, something's going on, I'm gonna go investigate it. Yeah, that's always I think we've talked about too,

is like there's, we have like such an anxiety when taking photos in public, because I think that when I was like 10 or 11, one photo usually meant like somebody would go, who's take, why are they taking a photo? And then they'd be like, oh, that's who that is. So then it would be like a sea of people taking it. It was like that one thing. It's a domino effect. Yeah. I always got into arguments like with my ex girlfriends over this, cause I was like, I don't want to take a photo. And they're like,

come on, we're out like doing this. Let's take a photo. And I'm like, I really don't want to cause it like that always like to me started something bigger. Oh, so you would tell people, no, they'd be like, I want a picture. You'd say, sorry. No to a photo and I'm like, I really don't want to, because that always to me started something bigger. Oh, so you would tell people no, they'd be like, I want a picture, you'd say sorry. Oh, I've never said no to a photo, like that only to my girlfriends. Yeah. Oh.

No, I've actually literally never said no. You're in Niagara Falls and she's like, can we just take one photo? And you're like, no, I'm not gonna. No, I'm not gonna. No, no. Well, I can imagine though, if you have someone who's like, if you're people coming up to you every day saying,

hey, can you do the, you're watching Disney Channel thing, like every day, I'd be like, shut you're people coming up to you every day saying, hey, can you do the you're watching Disney channel thing? Like every day I'd be like, shut up. I'll never say no to a photo though, because like, you know, if I saw somebody that I was like super excited to see, I would be so bummed out if they were like, no. As a kid. I'd be like, well, I'm an idiot. Was that like, cause you said you like loved the attention. You guys both seemed to like want to pursue this.

It wasn't something that was like, you know, led by your parents or anything. But then how was that as a kid when it started to get bigger and bigger, like how did you shape your ego, how you interacted in public? I don't think I processed it at all for years. And I think I was so confused on like what any of that meant. Thank you to Haya for sponsoring this portion of today's episode.

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Go to h-i-y-a-h-e-a-l-t-h dot com slash unplanned and get your kids the full body nourishment they need to grow into healthy adults. Back to the end of the zone. I know that I started to get really nervous in public. Especially for the first show that I did on Good Luck Charlie, that show did very well and for the four year span that we were on, anytime we'd leave the house was a thing.

And I don't think I understood that I was like, now I look back and go, man, I wish I would be like, oh, that was so cool, you know? That was really like such an amazing experience. But at the time I was like, ah, what's happening? Cause you're developing and you're so awkward. My most awkward years were on television. You know?

On television and photographed by every single person. And I look at the photos and I'm like, God. Like, you know, like people who look back at their photos, like when they're in eighth grade and they're like, oh, I was so awkward in my yearbook photo. I'm like, well, everybody has a photo of me being awkward. And so it's like, I think that that was jarring and it's something that you're excited about

and then it happens and you're like, I don't really know how to handle this. But at the end of the day though, it's like what we were just saying is like, people are excited to see you, that's pretty cool. That's an amazing feeling to know that like you did something that means something to them. Did that change the experience at all because you were going through puberty and going through these awkward phases do you look back and and think oh I wish I'd done

things differently because of it being such a transformative time in your life? I really don't know. I like the thing like we didn't go to high school, like traditional high school. So it's hard to say like, oh man, I would give up this experience just to have a normalized experience, whatever that means. But we, I mean, I think we have a lot of different lessons we learned

from a traditional upbringing. But I don't know, it's hard to say that I would exchange it because it's very valuable, the lessons that we've learned. It's very weird to have a completely different life experience than a lot of our peers, but it definitely changed who we are as people. It makes you grow up faster. It makes you grow up faster. But then at the same time, we're now 25 and we look back on that and we're like, oh, those

are, you know, going out in public as a 15-year-old, 12-year-old, whatever, and being worried about the public's perception of you is a very weird thought to have as a 12 year old. Yeah. Did you ever have to have security or anything at the height of the attention? Never like personal security. I mean, certainly when you go to events or something like that, you'd have to have security. Most of that was just provided with the event. I mean, my grandma was always with me. So yeah. So she was fending people off left and right. Oh really? She was getting a linebacker. So your grandma was the person that was like always with you? Yeah, she was like my caretaker. So she like took me around the set and was with me basically every day until I was like 16 or 17. Did your

whole family move out to California so that you could do you know all the acting? Just my grandma. Just your grandma. So your whole family stayed back in Indiana. Yep. So how did that affect, how did that affect relationships with your, your family back home? I have two siblings or two sisters and a brother. So they finished their career.

They graduated college and everything while I was doing that. It definitely is, is I didn't really get to grow up with him. So I, I definitely missed some of those years, but, um, I still kept in contact with them a lot, like I still see my mom as much as I can and I would go back there over the summer, like when we were, when we weren't filming or like before we were doing the shows, we'd have a lot of time off. So, um, I still got to see them a lot. But it definitely, it puts a strain on it, especially when we're filming for like,

we filmed six or six to eight months out of the year. You filmed like for a year straight, but your family was here. Yeah, I wanna ask about that. Like what are, I know there's like laws, like how long you can work and stuff. What is like a day when you're filming these, like you're like regulars on a show.

What would your schedule be like? So for camera sitcoms like it's the best gig you can get in in television for sure. It's a very niche job. Very structured. Yeah and a lot of people don't like the kind of work that it is but as far as like structure goes it's the closest thing to a nine to five that you can have. I mean our schedule personally on Good Luck Charlie was Monday through Friday on Monday we would go in and we would do the table read where you just read through the script maybe rehearse a little bit but they would change the script up a lot after the table read. You come in on Tuesday you're there from like 930 to 3 rehearsing and then you run through the

whole script for all the writers from start to finish. And then they do more notes, change it up. Wednesday you come in, do the same exact thing, same exact time. But the network comes in. So it's writers and networks and now it's a bigger run through at the end of the day. And then they do final notes and then Thursday and Friday you're filming. And for us, we've shot a live audience Friday night. So from like four o'clock to eight o'clock,

we did like live scenes. Then Monday was a new episode. So you just five days in that span. I know you guys said you haven't seen quite on set, but something that some past child actor said on the show is they wouldn't let their kids child act because of whatever situation they had been in. I'm curious, what's your take on that?

If I were to have a kid, I would feel fine putting the kid into the industry if that's something they wanted to. I certainly wouldn't encourage it. Yeah, I think. You gotta wanna do it, I think, as a kid. Yeah. Unless you're a little baby for those cute commercials

that you see with little babies, or print jobs or something like that. Yeah, I think the reason I wouldn't encourage it wouldn't necessarily be because of any, like I don't think that working as a kid caused any problems in my life. It would be more of like, I think as a whole, acting as a career is just a brutal job.

And I think we've both seen very great highs and very awful lows of working in the industry of like, okay, maybe I'm just terrible at this. You know, you get to that point where you're like, and maybe you're just not right for roles at the time. There's so many specific time frames of your life where you're like, you're not in that high school range, you're not in the college range, you're not a parent yet,

so then you're like in this weird area and then you're not old enough to be like the adult figure. So it's like, it's all dependent on just scripts and it's not about you, but it feels like it's about you and you don't get to control any of it. And like, I feel like for my kids. You said it really well the other day too. You said like, you know, in the grand scheme of a 70 year career, if you don't work for five years, 10 years, it's not that big a deal. We worked as a kid, we might work in five years for the next 10 years, you know? Yeah. And it's like, but in that timeframe where you're not working, you just feel worthless,

you know, because you're like, I don't, I can't do anything. I can't, you know, I can't control, like I can't be the hardest working person because I'm just, I'm not getting the work, you know. What's that like being told no time and time again? I'm so numb to it at this point, genuinely so numb to it. I feel like for both of us too, you've been in the- Laugh it off I think.

Yeah dude, but it also kind of makes you in an unfortunate way when you get penned for something and it's between you and another person and it's a big project and you don't get it. That happens enough times where if you're just runner up again, you're like, I literally don't care. People are like, that's so exciting, you're pinned for this. And you're like, no it's not.

It's not exciting until there's no second place. You don't get paid for being pinned for something. You didn't win, so there's nothing you can do. If you go to the Super Bowl 10 years in a row and you didn't win one of them, you still probably had an amazing career. But if you're second fiddle on something every single time you audition for it, it really doesn't matter.

It's tough to keep hope. And I think that's where the, like, if I'm going to have a kid get in the industry, that's where I would say if you have hope always and it's something that you want to do, do it. Yeah. You got to be okay with the idea that it's going to be awful. It has to be your dream. It has to be your life.

You have to commit to it. Cause if you can't, you can't half ass it. Did you guys get more yeses as kids? Oh yes. Than you did now as, than you do now as adults? Yeah. Yeah for sure and I think when you're working too, people kinda blow smoke a little bit

because you, there's just like schmoozing. It's always like the, oh my God, this is the best show we've done. Like you guys are gonna work for forever and you're just kinda on set. You're like, yeah. Hey yeah man. I'm never not gonna work. Like, you guys are going to work for forever. And you're just kind of on set. You're like, yeah, I'm never not going to work, dude. And then like, you come out of it and you're like, OK, where's that work?

You know, like everybody's talking about all this work. Everyone's going to be here on Monday, right? And you're like, yeah, we're done, man. You suck. What are you talking about? Get off our set. And it's like, you know, you just like, you go like, oh, OK, everybody was lying to me at a certain point.

And then it's, you just kind of back to the drawing board. And then they weren't lying to you. I mean, it's like, you know. No, they're just doing their job. They're just doing their job. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, it's, it's a bizarre business. That's why I wouldn't want my kid to do it. But again, like he said, if a kid was like, it's the only thing I want to do, I'd be like, that's great. Do whatever you want, but it's going to suck. Yeah.

It's stuck for a while. So is that hard then coming from this high of like, you're a kid, you're famous, you're making all this money, everybody wants to be you. And then time goes on and maybe you're not looking as many roles as you were. The career isn't going as well as it as it once was. What does that do to your mental health? No, we worked for like six straight years. I felt like we were just going to keep working and that momentum is going to keep going.

And so it was a little it started to get a little more stagnant for me, but I did like a few movies and shows here and there. Um, but yeah, like since, since COVID it's been a much more isolated industry. Everything's a little bit more remote or entirely more remote. Uh, now it's starting to go back in person a little bit, but it's definitely humbling. Um, you have to be genuinely, I felt like once I got my first job, my second job, third job, and then we're on Disney started to feel like things were getting handed to you because of the position you were in and that people trusted you.

But once you remove yourself a little bit from that environment and once a year has gone by and then two years from like leading your own show, we're just doing small things, people need to rebuild that trust, a company, a casting director, producer, production company. They want to see what you've been doing and how you've been leading. And sometimes it's not just a tape or a performance, they want to see a bigger background. So it's definitely a lot harder work now. I think for me, so I started working on Good Luck Charlie when I was nine, that show went

until I was like 13, 14 years old. Then we started working together right away. And then we worked until I was 18. I didn't go to high school in person, you know, so I just started dating a girl who was going into her freshman year of college and she was going away to school. And I was like, wow, that sounds really cool.

You know, like that seems like something I wanna do. So I kind of made the choice to start doing, you know, regular college and I started a community college. I was on a TV show on ABC called Schooled and then I had just done a film for Adam Sandler. And so. And before COVID you were working. Yeah, I was working a good amount

and then I kinda like went full time at USC and was living down there and just kinda like really committed to being a frat bro and just like that's what I wanted to be, you know? And like that was my new thing, you know? So I was auditioning less, I was honestly like turning down auditions and I think my agents just kinda knew like man, he's not even gonna wanna do it. I just wanted to go.

What was that like working with Adam Sandler? Oh, he's the best dude. That was my favorite thing I've ever worked with. He seems like such a nice guy, and I love how he does not care what he's wearing. He's the best. All the photos of him just looking like a hobo, I love it. It's like, he's just him.

Dude, I was there. Fashion king, man. I was there for a week. I was in maybe three scenes, fully because Adam liked, he and his kids liked our show. And like those- Really?

Yeah, it was like he had all of his kids' favorite shows in the movie and like some of the people from it. And so we went to Boston and filmed just like basically a cameo. I mean, I maybe filmed for three or four days. And- You were there for three weeks too? No, I was there for, we were like a week and a half, two weeks.

That's great. It was the best dude. Cause we were just in Boston and I was with some of my friends that I had grown up working with. So we just were going around Boston. He's a sucker for Boston. Yeah. I'm like, I'm a big Red Sox fan.

So I was just going to games by myself. I was so best time of my life. Like seriously, but like the fact that I was there, I was number a thousand on the call sheet and barely spoke in the movie, but like the fact that I was there, I was number a thousand on the call sheet and barely spoke in the movie, but it genuinely was my favorite project. That's all to the credit of Adam and how he runs his sets and how excited people are to just work for him

and be a part of it, because it's so fun. And like there were long days, but you didn't care because you were like, I'm just so happy to be here. You know? It was the coolest experience, but I went right into like the week after that, I went and started at USC and because you were like, I'm just so happy to be here. You know? It was the coolest experience. But I went right into, like the week after that, I went and started at USC and just kinda like, was like, all right, I can take these two years

that I'm here to like really just be in college and I'll be fine. And then I came out of it and I was like, all right, I'm ready to work again and thought the entertainment industry was waiting for me. But then it was like, okay, well now what? I think just like the idea in my head of like having gone from nine years old to 20 years old of

Really never not working like I literally I think I did it at least an episode of television from nine years old to 22 years old in a year, right? And so I didn't know what it was like to not work and I kind of just expect it work and I think for me I didn't know what it was like to not work and I kind of just expect it to work. And I think for me personally, I enjoyed the time of not working because I know the next time that you do work, it's like the best thing in the world, you know? Cause I, I think I expected it too much as a kid and I didn't know that, you know, we're definitely spoiled. Like we got, it's a great job.

So like being on set was such an absolute pleasure and luxury. What was that like making money as a kid? Cause for me, when I, the first time I got paid as a like child actor in theater, this is so stupid. I made 300 bucks. I made $300 to do, I think it was 38 shows of the Music Man. Oh my God. 38 shows.

38 shows. It just worked for $300, a show, 300 bucks. Total. It was just, it was basically gas money. It was basically like, Hey, because my mom was driving me to all these, you know, shows and rehearsals. And I loved it. I love performing. But I thought I was loaded. I was like, mom, I made $300. And she's like, I spent $3,000 on gas. Like, she didn't tell me that. But I'm so curious what that was like.

Because you guys, I'm guessing, made more than $300 doing what you did. I did a couple bucks. I made like 200, 300. You were making 200? Yeah. OK. We were actually just talking about this.

We were talking about this the other day on our show. My mom and his grandma were very similar in the sense of like, I literally, I could not have told you how much money I had until I was 19 years old, 20 years old. I knew how much I was making, but then I like, I knew like what number a week. The access that I had was like, probably, I think I had access to like a hundred dollars a month.

Yeah, my mom, dude, my mom allowed me to buy myself a gift every year for $200. $200, I was working. I remember it was one year we did Good Luck Charlie. We did season two. I worked 15 episodes, went and shot a movie, did 15 episodes and had done a movie before that season. Worked for like a year and a half straight and I got to buy myself a $200 gift.

Why did you buy yourself? It was something stupid. worked for like a year and a half straight, and I got to buy myself a $200 gift. I was like, wow. What did you buy yourself? It was something stupid, like, I bought like a bike one year, because I thought that that would be fun. And then I remember when I was 16 and I bought a car. For $200? $200. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Now, like, my dad wanted to just give me his car that he had used for a few years because he had done that with all my sisters. Has used, had farted in. My mom was like, he can buy his own car. I remember car shopping and I'm looking at these cars and I'm like, I can't afford this. There's no way. My mom's like, this car is $18.

My mom was like, you can get it. I'm like, are you sure? She was like, yeah, I think you're good. And I was like, all right, well, I don't need to get that package. I think we can be conservative on this one. And then when I got access to my bank accounts, because I didn't even really start spending my own money until my junior year of college,

because my parents paid for college and they were paying for me to be down there like they did with my sisters. They didn't wanna be like, oh, well, you have money, you go pay for your own college. They were like, we paid for your sisters to go to school. Oh, I bet you bought everyone drinks for. Oh, dude.

I didn't, seriously, everybody would be like, nah, I can't afford that. I'm like, we're good, we got alcohol. Bro. I got alcohol. No, but I just didn't know. I really didn't know that I had any kind of money and I'm so happy and appreciative of that now.

I tell my mom that all the time. However, I do hope every once in a while she's going to be like, surprise, there's another bank that came up. This one's got a lot more in it. I'm like, oh, thank God. This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. We've said it once, we've said it a million times, but we are in counseling. We're in counseling. Thank you to BetterHelp. Thank you, BetterHelp. You've helped her marriage. Truthfully, I mean, seriously, truthfully, we've actually used it. we actually regularly use it. And I think the only reason we actually got started is because BetterHelp is so user friendly.

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were you were you the... I just put it in my own blast? Yeah, of course I did. Yeah, of course. Yeah, I did. We were talking about this the other day too. I got my fake ID sent in a toy airplane. Okay. I had bought it with Bitcoin. Okay. And then I got a fake ID. The problem that I came across was I literally handed it to a waiter and

he goes, you know what the problem is? And I go, what? He goes, I know who you are and I know how old you are. And I go, all right, well, let's pretend this didn't happen. And he was like, that's fine by me. And I was like, okay. And so we moved on from it. But then after that, I was always worried. So I would only be, I was very like particular with my fake

IDs would be like getting the bars. I don't think I heard that one that a waiter recognized you. I am. That's pretty funny. They Googled me. They literally like went back and googled me and was like, yeah, we it says your age right here. Yeah, you can come in. That was Google. That was Google. If you guys could hear that. Jake, what about you? Did you have any run ins with the law? Did have. I had someone else's fake ID. I never had one. Should we tell them the fake ID story?

I want to hear it now. My 21st birthday party. I don had one. Should we tell them the fake ID story? I wanna hear it now. My 21st birthday party? I don't remember, but go ahead. Wait, the bus? No, no, no. So Jake went to a party down at USC one time and he met this guy and the guy was like, I just turned 21, do you want this fake ID?

And he was like, yeah, I'll take the fake ID. You were what, 20 at the time maybe? So you used it for a couple years. I turned 21 and he comes like, yeah, yeah, I'll take the fake ID. You were what, 20 at the time maybe? So you used it for a couple years. I turned 21 and he comes to my birthday party and he meets my best friends. On the bus. Parents, with Jen and Jeff? On the bus.

Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, I saw it on the bus. I didn't know that's what you're talking about. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But so he goes up to them and he was talking about how when he was under 21 he had a fake ID and he goes, this was my fake ID and he made a joke, he was like, oh, I'm so and so.

And they were like, oh, that's our son. And I was like, oh, yeah. And they were like, okay. And then there was like, what's your home address? And they were like, da da da da. And I was like, oh my God, that's your son. And so my best friend who he knew, like my best friend Bryce, it was his brother,

who went to USC, they randomly met at a party, and he gave him his fake ID. He goes to my 21st and was like, here's a fake ID. They're like, that's our son. It was so random. Did people tease you? Yeah, it's crazy, right? You were trying to use it?

No, no, no, I was just showing off. You just bragged, you just showed off. It's my old one, I still have it, I don't know why I have it. And they were like, shut the fuck up. Wait, how does a fake ID work? Like, it's not your face on it? We're so sheltered. No, his wasn't, yeah. I mean, no, I mean, like you showed it at bar, and they were like, oh, god, not your face on it? We're so sheltered. No, his wasn't.

Yeah. No, I mean, you showed a bar and they're like, look at him. That makes sense. My mom used my Costco card the other day, and she got away with it. It was crazy. Same thing. I'm curious, though.

Did you get teased in your fraternity for being like, oh, it's the Disney guy? Or was it like, dude, he can hook us up with alcohol because he's rich? No, it was brutal. It was brutal. I'm sorry, dude. My composite photo was me holding a sign that said,

and you're watching Disney Channel. So that's in my fraternity. And you just had to go along with it, I'm sure, or you would have gotten made fun of. To me, it was kind of like, if I'm not in on the joke, these people aren't going to like me. So I was like, you know what? Just make fun of me.

I don't care. I can take it. And like, I'd rather all of us be friends. Because eventually, once they get the joke out, they're like, oh, all right, whatever. And then everybody gets over it, right? So eventually I just wanted to be the normal person there that everybody wanted to hang out with. So I was like, if I come into this as like a, dude, can we not talk about that thing? Like, I don't want to bring it up. People are going to be like, ugh, he sucks. You know? So I was like, oh, we like to bring him around. We like to make fun of him. He's super sensitive. Yeah. Yeah, whatever. People would make fun of me. It was fine. I don't care to bring it up people are gonna be like, oh he sucks, you know, so we like to bring him around We like to make fun of him. Yeah, whatever people would make fun of me. It was fine I don't care like I will joke about anything and I always do I'll joke about anybody and if they joke about me I really don't care because it's like you can't get out of here. I throw it back at him

Not I'm like fairly but not that's it. We got into a brief argument on the golf course today Really? On the first hole. You know how miserable that is to set up your round with an argument on the first hole He literally said the words to me. I will not be supportive to you for the rest of the day. I did say that That's how mad he was. I was like please don't say that to me. I will not be supportive I will not be supporting you for the rest of the day. Anyway, yes, it was very brutal in a fraternity That was awesome. If Disney asked you guys to work again with them, would you do it? Probably not for the channel.

I would do something for Disney Plus, because it's a massive company, if it was the right idea. But I would not want to work on the channel again, just as an adult. I mean, I don't know. Why is that? It has nothing to do with Disney, really. It's more of like optics, really.

And also, you do it when you're a kid. And it's kind of like, Optics. Really? And also like you do it when like you're a kid, you know? Yeah. And it's kind of like that's unless you come back and play a parent in 20 years or something like that. If I did the girl meets world thing where the dad came back in to do the totally world, he's the dad and girl meets world. That's a different situation. But if I were to go back and like play a kid, I don't know.

But I'm also 26. I don't think that's going to happen. Yeah. So then are you basically, is the goal, so you do Disney and then you wanna differentiate yourself to then try to, I guess, like leave that space in a way? Yeah. I do find it funny,

and I don't even know if we've ever really talked about this, I do find it funny that people think that like, oh, that person is just like going so hard to like get out of that Disney image. Do people say that about you guys? Yeah, just like anytime you try to do something like, or like somebody. Like being typecast?

Yeah, something like that. It's like, dude, I think people are just getting the work that they get, you know? Like do you think that they're really picking those projects going, God, I just want to throw myself away from Disney. I don't want people to know. It's like, no, you go on the audition,

if you book it, you book it, and you're like, it is what it is. And we talked about this recently, I don't know who it was, but I remember it being like, I think they just took a job that they got off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just like, I don't know who it was, but I remember it being like, I think they just took a job that they got offered. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just like, I don't think you're, like you're thinking way too far. Like they're not making a statement or anything.

No, it's like, if we got, you know, if we got something that's a little risque or raunchy right now, we would do it because we like the material or like we were offered a job and something we're interested in. And if it's something that's very separated from Disney, people will be like, oh man, they were doing this, another doing this, like obviously there's some connection

here, it's like, no, we took a job here and we took a job. Sometimes though on our podcast, people will be like, oh they just, they don't wanna swear just to not be like on Disney, and they're like, no, we're just having a conversation, like, I don't know, I'm not thinking that far into it, I'm not trying to do anything, I'm just talking to my friend. We're being diligent right now though, we're not,

we're not that. Hey, I appreciate that. We're on Disney Channel. You guys are doing great. This is Disney Channel. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're trying to do anything. I just talking to my friend. We're being diligent right now that we're not. We're not. I appreciate that. We're on Disney Channel. You guys are doing great. This is Disney Channel. Yeah, yeah. You guys are doing awesome. We're trained.

Thank you so much. It's been a lot of years, dude. I can feel that you're radiating support. I like it. Well, you did take a more adult film last year. Oh, you did porn? I did do. Yeah, that, yes, I did porn.

You did what? Oh, brotherhood. Brotherhood. That's how I met my girlfriend. Wait, no way. Was she your co-star? She was my co-star. She was the lead of the film. So yeah, I was her love interest.

So like, was the chemistry just there on set? The chemistry was there, yeah. So you're making out on set and you're like, this is the one. I actually, we were making out before we had to meet outside. Oh. Rehearsal. Rehearsal. Yeah, that's actually I was like, oh, we should go over our scenes

and stuff and like hang out and like get to know each other and then See I didn't that stuff happens I thought that was just a rumor like oh people yeah Like so you legit like fell in love while filming while filming the movie No way I I've you know dated a girl who wasn't working in the film industry It's and it's a hard thing to explain to somebody that like oh you got to go You know make out with your co-star or whatever for a project. It's another day at work.

Yeah, it's like, it is your job. And at the time, you can attest to this too, it's like when you're actually doing the scene, you're not even thinking about like kissing a person. Like you're not thinking, it's blocking. You're just going through a scene. Oh, when I've had to do it in another project, it's like. Yeah, but so I would always say that and be like,

yeah, you gotta understand, like it's not even, it's not real, it doesn't feel anything real about it. It's really hard to have my best friend and his girlfriend had worked on a movie together, had to make out on screen, and then started dating. It really invalidates your point when you're like, no, no, no, it's not real, and then they're like, how'd you meet?

Oh, on our movie. Has that been an issue before with girlfriends? It's kinda hard when you're going to film a movie, right? In the Sandler movie, I had to make out with a girl at a party or whatever. It's kind of hard to be like, oh, I don't know, because you're like, if Adam Sandler is asking me to do it, I'm going to go do that. It's not really up to me, dude. And like we said the other day, it's like I don't really want to have to do it.

It's not like the best blocking in the world because it's kind of awkward and you're like, the thing was to make out in front of Adam and he had to like separate us and I'm like so nervous that that's happening in the first place. That was in the movie? Yeah. Adam Chandler breaking up you guys. Yeah, so I'm like scared as it is and it's like then you got to add that into there and I'm like, my girlfriend's like, oh, you got to make out with somebody.

I'm like, I don't even know what's happening. Can we just drop it? Please? So do you just logistically on set when you're making out with someone? Do is there someone just like back there? Just like, okay, cut. Like that's enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You're usually never going to take it too far if it's like, like, yeah, really. My girlfriend and I are an anomaly. There's people that have happened to it. Doesn't happen to most people. Most of the time you have to make it on camera. It's just awkward. It's a conversation before like, hey, here's what we're gonna do.

Here's what I don't want from you and you probably don't want from me. Here are our boundaries and let's get it. Generally you don't even rehearse it either. You know, you don't rehearse to kids. Usually you're just like, it's like, okay, so that's where we do that and then you go back to the lines.

And you just know that on like the day you're gonna do it. It's like, it's choreography, basically. You just plan everything out. I did, however, one time have to, I had like a intimate-ish scene where we had to fall onto a bed kissing. And when we fell onto the bed, she accidentally kneaded me in the genitals.

Oh, gosh. Okay. And like, hardcore. accidentally need me in the genitals. Hardcore. And so I couldn't stay in the scene and just went up on set and everybody started cracking up. Because I got need so hard and so then I was like terrified the next take of like, no, no, no. Did that make it in the movie? No, dude, because it wasn't a funny scene. It was not supposed to be a comedy. I love that when those unplanned moments end up in movies. Has that happened to you guys before? Oh yeah, I've broken on camera so many times. Really? Yeah, yeah.

And they just keep it in because they're like, that was amazing. And they just keep it in the movie. If it's like, if even if someone like, it's like the SNL thing, right? Like where they're breaking on camera and it's funny. They don't do it a lot, but if there's a really good shot or something that's really funny and one person kind of breaks, they'll leave it in there. I love on SNL when they start laughing. I do too.

That's the best, when they get somebody else to laugh like that. Their co-star, after three days of rehearsing, they just change one thing and it makes the other person lose it. It's crazy. What's that scene for you? Was it on a TV show, a movie? Yeah, I think it was on Ant Farm,

the one that I specifically remember when I was when I was like 13. It was one of the first episodes and I thought what I was doing was so funny and I kept laughing as I was like, I had to like fall forward and I kept laughing as I fell forward and it's still. Yeah, the problem is, is eventually the crew

does not find it funny. And they're like, can we please? And you're like, I'm trying dude, it's just so funny, you know? We had to do a scene on Good Luck Charlie where me, Jason and Eric walk out wearing diapers. Cause there's something in the episode and I'm like 11. And they eventually were like, fine there's something in the episode, and I'm like 11, and I, they eventually were like fine, just laugh in the scene,

because it's just not working, because every time we would walk out, I'd have to turn around and see the two of them in diapers, these grown men walking out in diapers, and just make them laugh every time. So they were just like, yeah, it's fine, whatever, like just leave it in there, and just me cracking up in the scene.

Eric in a diaper, that's awesome. But we were talking about this the other day too, is like sometimes with like improv or anytime somebody wants to change up like dialogue, it always gets scary because you're like, this is either gonna be really funny or people are gonna be like, can you just stick to the words please?

You know, you're like, I'm like, I'm taking a shot here, is this funny? And then I've done it a couple of times on sitcoms where I'm like, that wasn't, they didn't find that funny at all. They didn't like that. Yeah because you've been getting into stand-up right isn't that something that you're starting to do? I did do stand-up I did stand up like a month ago is my first time trying that. Is it terrifying? Stand-up is it's the most vulnerable thing I think I've ever

had to do in my life you just hoping that the joke works that's all it is and when it doesn't work you're like okay how do I what do I do now had to do in my life. You're just hoping that the joke works, that's all it is. And when it doesn't work, you're like, okay, what do I do now? How do I recover? Yeah, because you rehearse it to where it's like, that's the punchline for me. And then I said it and it was like, oh, that wasn't the punchline for them, I guess,

because they didn't laugh at that. So I'm like, let's roll into the next thing, I guess, and see if this one works. There's no one to save you. There's no one on stage except for yourself. The audience is your friend only if you make them your friend. Yeah, yeah.

Terrifying. Yeah, it's terrifying. But we had a comedian on our show the other day, Michael Blastie, and he does the The Stocks. The Stocks podcast with Trevor. He was just talking about, he's been doing standup for like 14 years or something like that.

Yes, insane. And he's a great comedian. And we were just kinda talking about the process of it and the commitment to just failing over and over again. and I was like, man, I don't want to do that. The idea of that, like I love stand-up so much and I love the idea of doing stand-up, but I'm like, I just not, that's not like my kind of career. I've just, I've committed to like failing and acting and I've done that plenty of times,

you know, but like the idea of going up on stage like that and doing that, I'm like, that's, I don't, I don't love it enough to want to commit to that. Like acting. You love it enough to take the downsides. Yeah. Cause I've failed it plenty of times, like walking into auditions and feeling like that was bad. Like that was a bad performance. I wish I could do that again. But like with something about people not liking you and like the possibility of getting booed feels like people really don't like you. If you mess up in front of a casting director, it's like, okay, you had a bad day, or like that's not the right role for you.

Yeah, it's other people's words. That just wasn't right. If you walk off a stage and you're getting booed or it was a bad performance and it went on for too long, you bombed. It feels really personal. Yeah, it feels like- Because it's your joke.

Didn't like you. Yeah, for sure. And so that's why it's like, that's way more terrifying. I'd rather crawl behind somebody's words and be like, oh, these words weren't funny. That's not my fault. Or receive an email and not like in person directly. Or you just never hear from them again.

And you're like, okay, I didn't get it. That's a lot easier than like being booed off a stage. Back to meeting your girlfriend then. You're making out. You're probably having to film intimate scenes on set. Like how does that even work? Like is there someone who's like, okay,

this is the make out director and this is like the sex scene director, like intimate scenes coordinator, that's what it's called. Intimacy coordinator, yeah. That is new. That's like within the last five or six years. Really?

Yeah, I think that's like really new. I didn't even have that on Hubie. Well, I think it's, I didn't have it on like shows where I had to make out with people, but it's more for like if you're doing something that's like nearly simulated sex, I still think it's new. I don't think it's like that old. I've had like directors say like, Oh, just, you know, you guys talk it over and do whatever is comfortable for like less intense stuff.

Our stuff wasn't really that intense. And we obviously had worked out a connection before then to make sure that we both felt comfortable. You guys really made out. We've rehearsed this plenty of times. They were like, can you guys try this? And we're like, yeah, fine, great. Let's do it.

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depending on the project okay sex appeal no my butt was in the first team oh I didn't watch that you can't it's hard to get access. Has your got any movies Not my butt, certainly not my butt. Your face is made into a couple things. I'm way more interested in your butt making it into the video. I've been shirtless, question mark. I've never been butt-less. I've never cut off my butt. I'm not the biggest fan of sex scenes in movies.

Just as a fan, I'm like, I'm not... You're just a fan of sex scenes in movies? I'm not a fan of sex scenes. There's a lot of people who are big fans. No, I'm just like, I don't, when I watch a movie, oftentimes I'm like, why did we need to show this? You know? And I'm not even like a, I'm not the cleanest human, like in the world when it comes to stuff like, you know, like that. I usually don't care, but I'm like, you know, can you help me explain what I meant there? That sounded weird.

I know like our podcast is raunchy, you know, we're gonna- You guys cuss, are we cuss? Yeah, we're disgusting. That's crazy. We don't like bullpunches. I think like, yeah, what you're just saying is that sex scenes are kind of a necessary in movies sometimes. It's not like it offends me. I'm just usually like, this feels lazy to me. It's like, dude, just show like- I watched it, when I watched Maestro, this feels lazy to me. It's like, dude, just show like, I

watched it when I watched Maestro, you know, the movie Bradley Cooper just did. You're, do you even know who Bradley Cooper is? I do know who Bradley Cooper is. We live under a rock. We have two kids. We've got a lot of stuff going on. It's the Rockman and Griffin. Yes. So he just wrote, directed and starred in a movie called Maestro. Okay. They had this scene where he and the girl fall into the bed and they're kissing and

whatever, and then it cuts to the morning after they're laying under the sheets and they have a conversation. And the movie's rated R, isn't it? Yeah, dude. I mean, they're not holding back. They could have done whatever they want, but it's like, yeah, I get what happened. I know that these two people had sex. I don't need to see it. I get what happened. I know that these two people had sex. I don't need to see it.

I get it, you know? So sometimes in movies it's like, why can't we just cut to the next thing? I think it does depend on the movie and the material. So like, certain movies use it. Sure, sometimes it matters to whatever it is. Game of Thrones, I get that, right? It's like a power thing or whatever.

It's like, super bad. It's supposed to be like something like that. It's awkward, it's funny. Or like, you know, if there's some sort of element that it adds to the story, if it's just like a sex scene because that's what the movie needs to be to sell, then it's like, all right, wow. It's just like, this is lazy.

Like, Jennifer Lawrence was fully naked in her last movie. She did the comedy. That awkward moment? This awkward star? That awkward moment was a Zac Efron movie from 2015. That someone awkward. That's three words, I know. Whatever it is, doesn't matter.

This is awkward. This't matter. This is So she had to be fully naked and it was Hilarious like what the bit was was hilarious. So that moment I'm like, yeah that that works Like what happened was really funny, but like he's saying sometimes you're like do we need to do or do you just want to watch like oh I was trying to watch a movie with my family worse dude when you're watching I'm like watching a movie with my mom and I'm just like oh my god did you watch sex appeal with your mom I did not watch it with I think I did watch it with some member of my family I don't remember but yeah I did try to my best to avoid it I didn't want to see it's weird also dating the person that you made out with on camera because it's a,

like, it feels very intimate to us. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I've never even thought about it this way. It's probably like if you and Mika watch it with your family, it's probably like you're showing them your sex tape. Yeah. It's like, hey guys, check this out.

We can do that right here. You guys are sitting there like, you like that? Her dad watched it and he was like, well, one, he's foreign, he's really funny. He's like, I thought you guys did a great job. Where is he from? I don't know. Gentle land, he's a very gentle giant. What is that accent?

He goes, there's some things. He's from the Pooh Bear universe. Yeah, it is Pooh Bear. Pooh Bear, literally. And he's like, there's some things in there that I didn't need to see, but you guys did a good job. Yeah, I'm curious because you guys started your careers as children. Your parents were very involved, your family, your grandma, like very involved. And then is there like a point where they're like, okay, well, it was like, I loved having you on Disney Channel, like, but now, like, do they call you up and like, please don't take that job or? Now, do they call you up and like, please don't take that job? My grandma has read some of the scripts and she's like, she's from the south. I guess I'm going to do accents right now.

She goes, I would prefer if you did not do that. I'm like, all right, well, I'm going to still go out for it. It's definitely easier to watch the stuff we did back in the day than it is to watch some of the stuff that, I mean, we'll pretty much take anything that comes across our plate. What was your grandma's take on your butt cheeks? I think she did see it. That woman has seen your butt cheeks. Yeah, nothing new.

Because you guys, you started living with her at what, like 18? So she's probably seen a bunch of your butt cheeks. Do you know what's so weird? She used to draw me baths, you know. I'm Working on my comedy set. Anyway, so my mom, let's go back to my butt cheeks. She listens to our podcast. My grandma's been trying to listen to our podcast. I don't let her do it. My mom actually, when she listens to our podcast, she says we cuss too much. She'll love this one. Yeah, send her the link.

You guys haven't cussed once in this whole episode. Trust me. I've never cussed in a podcast. I've never cussed in a podcast. I've never cussed in a podcast. I've never cussed in a podcast. I've never cussed in a podcast. I've never cussed in a podcast.

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Yeah, send it a link. You guys haven't cussed once in this whole episode. Trust me, I know. Hey, if you're watching this right now, tell your mom to watch along with Bradley and Jake. Tell your mom to watch this podcast. No, someone at the splash pad said my mom sent me your podcast this morning. Wait, really? Yeah.

Oh. Our podcast? Or your podcast? It was actually ours. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh. Our podcast? Or your podcast? It was actually ours. Oh, okay. Damn, all right. No moms are sending our podcasts over. You don't know that.

Yeah, have you guys heard this shit in Japan? I love this place called the Splash Pad though. Sorry, what were you saying about? Oh, my butt? Your mom and your butt. My mom and my butt is my new podcast that's coming out. So, my mom and I always read lines growing up together. I just always liked reading my lines with her.

She was the one who really helped me all the way through acting and everything just on any Disney show. And I think that I feel most comfortable reading my lines with her. And so sometimes when I have a big audition, oftentimes it's like, if it's a comedy and I feel super comfortable with it

and I know how to make it funny I'm good to just kind of do it on my own But sometimes I just really like to read it out loud before I put it on tape or if I go in for the audition So I'll call my mom or like I'll go meet her and do it and you'll go meet her. Yeah I live 25 minutes from my Paris, so it's not like I'm flying to Indiana if I had to fly to Indiana I I wouldn't fly to Indiana ever, actually. Nah, he just doesn't like Indiana. I get it.

But as the material's gotten a little more uncomfortable, like it's so much weirder for my mom and I, where they're like, if there's that. I want you. Oh my gosh. Stuff like that. Like if it says that, I'm like, I'm not reading this with you.

Like I can't, I can't, I, I'd rather lose out on this role than read these lines with you. Cause it'll be things like that. You could, you could call me, I'm an actor. You know, I could probably help you out with that, but no, it's all right. I read for some other day. It was like, um, it said something about like her line had to be about like how hot I looked and something like that. And she just said it and I was like, oh God,

like, let's say we're good, I'm good on this scene. Like I don't wanna do this one again. Dude, I've seen you making your cooking videos on YouTube. Yeah. If you filmed you and your mom doing your scenes together, that would be the funniest freaking YouTube content ever. You would have to record her secretly. She's never been on camera.

Really? Except for an episode of Good Luck Charlie. Oh, now she's gonna be pissed at me for saying this. She hates that I remind people of it. Oh, because she was on an episode? She was on an episode. This is her story. What?

This is her story. Yeah, this is her story. It's a big performance. There was a bit on the show where I go to an amusement park with my mom on the show. And they're filming a commercial there and they ask me to be in the commercial. And the mom on my show always wanted to be on television.

That was her bit. And she doesn't get put in this commercial so she was pissed about it. And they hire another woman to play my mom. And the writers were like, please, will you do this? So that it's funny. And my mom was like, no, I don't want to be on television ever.

She said no for weeks. Cause they were like, we have this bit, like please let us do this. And she was like, no, I'm not gonna do it. I love that they like knew it was gonna take weeks. So they preface. Yeah, exactly. And so my, there was a bit like on the show,

everyone is blonde, except for me in the family. I'm the only brunette. That's true. Yeah, it's weird. We've gone over a thousand times, but it was just like, it was just kind of an ironic thing. And so when my mom eventually said yes to doing it, they put a bit in there, like one of the lines was that I look at her and I go,

oh God, you look more like my mom than my actual mom. And nobody knew that it was my mom for a really long time until somebody, like she was like, I don't like make it a thing because then maybe people will just get through this and like not know. But somebody figured it out somehow. I think they put together that like,

they like found photos of me at like red carpet events and like my mom kind of in the back of it and different like photos. And they were like cut off her face. Yeah, and it was like, and they were like, that's his mom. So then it became like a whole thing that was my mom. And then there was recently a TikTok that like blew up

and I sent it to her and she called me furious. Like, I don't wanna see this. Like, and she's like, my mom's a beautiful woman. She just hates being on camera. Like she just like hates it. It's not like she's like, she just does not like being on camera for some reason. She did it for you.

That's sweet. Yeah, I know. And even better was they, so they paid her for it. And I gotta give her this. $200, $300. Yeah. I'll give her this. I've never even said that. I don't even know if I've ever said this to you. My mom, because she was like so adamant about like not taking money from me, she got paid for the project and paid me. That's sweet. Oh wow. What you got her the job. So your parents met. That was her thought. She never touched a dime of the money. She was like, you got me the job.

Yeah. Yeah. So she was like, I wouldn't have done this if it wasn't for you being on the show. I'm pretty sure I paid for gas for us to get the set. I'm pretty sure we would fill up with gas and I'd be like, yeah, I'm paying for that probably. For you and your grandma? Yeah.

You felt like a big dog. Yeah, I was like, that gas thing's probably on me. Yeah. That gas thing's probably on me. I was driving to work in our Camry. I was like, that's probably that. Grandma, I got it. Yeah. Gas is driving to work in our camera. I was like, yeah, man, I got you. Did you guys have like a lump sum of money set aside for when you did turn 18? Was that a thing? Because of the Kugin account, right?

You have to legally required by I don't know if it's I think it's California, right? Or is it just SAG or federally? All I know is it's like 15 percent, which is bananas to think that you can work. I mean there's kids that make millions and they only get 15% and their parents will take like, you know, close to 10 million. I don't understand how they came up with a law that they were like, we're gonna protect these people,

but you can only get 15% of it. We're gonna kind of protect it. Yeah, 75% is still gonna go away. Okay, almost in agents. Have you guys ever shared what you made like per episode or anything like that? No, I don't think we've really talked about, we don't really talk about how much we make.

I don't even know how much he has, I don't know where he's at right now. Like money-wise? Money-wise, yeah. It's not good. Yeah, me neither, man. It's, I mean, I drove to Phoenix, man. What do you think? It's dwindling energy.

I drove. It's dwindling energy. I'm watching it go down. Did you guys talk to any advisors financially after becoming an adult or did you have some sort of game plan for what to do with the money that you made when you were a kid? He had already burnt through all of it. So it was nothing to advise him. My grandma is very frugal so she saved my money, taught me how to save money. Definitely still lives rent-free in my head. Reminding me what to save money. Definitely still lives rent free in my head.

Reminding me what to spend money and not spend money on. His dad is in business. My grandma's a professor. She raised four kids and gave them a very good life and education. She was very helpful for me to be smart with my money. That's awesome. I'm gonna meet your grandma. She's a sweet lady.

She's an amazing lady. She's in California, I call her Fort Lauderdale. Yep, she lives where I grew up. She came out here and was just like, I love this place. She likes it. This is my life. It's pretty sweet.

She stayed. That's sweet. She's the best. She's the sweetest. I've traveled with that woman so many times. Aww. Probably more than. Your sisters? Yeah, probably. She's the sweetest. I've traveled with that woman so many times. Aw. Probably more than.

Your sisters? Yeah, probably. I mean, I've traveled with her more than I've traveled with anyone in my family, yeah. Does she like your girlfriend? She does, yes. Me just getting all the person who. We go over there for meals once a week.

Yeah. That's really sweet. We go play board games. My grandpa's there full time now. He used to live back in Indiana and help my mom with her business and then he moved out here like five or six years ago and so. Sweet.

Now we go over there and play board games and eat guacamole, you know? Oh my gosh, that's the kind of stuff that's. Weirdly specific? Yeah, she just make guacamole. I don't know, just like a snack, we snack, you know? Not actually guacamole, I would have to make it. She doesn't make a guacamole, but she did a bunch of great stuff for my child.

That just not the guacamole. Maybe next question. Bradley, I'm gonna be honest. I thought you were a father because I kept seeing your nephew all over your Instagram. I was like, he's a dad. I was like, holy crap. He's literally, he has a son just like me. And then I saw someone comment like no it's actually not his kid it's his nephew I'm like oh I'm so dumb I know you get that all the time all the time man everybody always thinks that I was my son I kind of stopped posting photos with him because people are like hey how's your kid and you're like what

yeah why you out here man you got a kid. Okay. And then I'm gonna stop that, sorry. Nice bit. The fresco, man. Well, it's getting to me. He's loosening up now. Yeah, that's my sister's son. And I now have three nieces and one nephew. My sister just gave birth to twin girls. Wow.

So there's a lot of babies around. No, I'm quite excited to be a father, but I just. Do you have a girlfriend? No, I don't, no. I'm sorry to disappoint you. Just me, yeah. Yeah, okay. I always felt weird asking that question to people my age until I was married, and so I was like,

okay, no, it's like, not weird. Yeah, no, I feel you. You guys are gonna be grandparents in like 30 years, you know? Isn't that weird? That's crazy. No, like, I feel you you guys are gonna be your grandparents in like 30 years, you know, isn't that weird? No, like maybe could be earlier than that Because we had kids like ready a grandma like mentally. Yeah. Yeah, I'm ready. That's why you asked if is your girlfriend Yeah, that's how I feel. Yeah, we are first at 23 and 24 You're just like my parents my parents got married at 23 and I had a kid at 24. And now they have four grandkids and they're only 57.

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thousand times. I have like the biggest fear of being an old dad. I don't want that. It scares me because I want to like I don't know. I just want to like when I go to graduation my kids like high school graduation, I want people to be like, oh that's your dad? That's a good looking guy. He's still so young and strong. I'm gonna be doing it at 60.

I'm gonna be like, oh my god, your dad's 60? Whoa. That guy's, I'm gonna have 30 kids. That guy looks terrible. He looks horrible. He's all sunbaked and reasoning. You got time, no pressure. You guys gotta wear sunscreen here.

Yeah, dude, it's freaking hot. It's freaking hot. Yeah, dude, so it's funny. I did a deep dive on you guys before this interview and there was some really funny stuff that came up on the internet when I was looking into you. Bad news, you actually do have a kid, buddy. Yeah, I know.

I know. How was that vacation that one time? Okay. There was a story that popped up though. I think you guys talked about this on your podcast, but you would, there was something about back when you were 15 asking Sabrina Carpenter out with like a message in a glass bottle. Can you talk to us about that?

Wow. That's hilarious. Yeah. Yeah. Sabrina was my first girlfriend. That's crazy. D, Sabrina was my first girlfriend. That's crazy. Dated for about two years. That's a long time as a kid. That is a really long time. Yeah, I think it was super annoying. We didn't hang out at all.

So you guys were best friends and then you stopped hanging out because you were always with Sabrina. Actually, we didn't like each other at that time. I don't think that's correct. He liked you. So it's just that I didn't like you No, I was filming a show with him on mighty med We were right next door to grow meets world where she was filming and we met okay there It was very much just like a little high school relationship, you know dated from like 14 to 16 Probably around there really young. Yeah, yeah, I remember.

You started dating the first season of Mighty Man? Maybe the second season. I think it was the second season. Okay, so you did like me then. You just abandoned me, you know? We had just worked out our relationship and then. Yeah, yeah, and then you left. Yeah, how did that make you feel,

him leaving you for Sabrina? Why did I ask in a bottle? Despair, what did you? Dude, that's pretty romantic. Is that for real? I don't even know if thatair. What did you do? That's for real. I don't know. Might be click bait. I don't know.

There was a news article that apparently Sabrina Carpenter in like 2015 talked about how you had asked her out and it was with a message in a bottle. That's at least what it said. So maybe I got game. That's pretty. That's pretty creative. If I'm honest, I am certain that that is something

that my mom was like, she'll find that adorable, you should do it. So then she probably did it and I probably gave it to her. Took the credit. Yeah. Of course. But I don't remember, I don't know why that would have happened but sure that seems like something that definitely happened.

It is kind of funny because we dated when we were so young, so it was just like a little high school relationship, you know? Yeah. That's kind of, that's funny though. Like I feel like you could always flex that to your kids. Yeah dude. Like you know the person who's kind of like Taylor Swift? Like yeah, she was my girlfriend when I was 14. She's killing the game dude. She's killing it. So she just performed at Coachella too. That's crazy. Yeah, she's killing it. Did you guys go to Coachella? No, did not know okay. No, I was too heartbroken Bro what if you showed up at a concert and we're like Sabrina answer my DM

She's she's unbelievably talented. She always has been. It's like really cool to see. There's a certain group of people I feel like when we were younger that you always just kind of like saw as like, yeah, they're going to be, they're going to definitely be the ones that kind of make it big and they're going to really succeed in this industry. I think we always kind of knew she was a hard them. A hard working person and very, very talented. So definitely deserves everything

that's going on for her right now. That's dope. Yeah, apparently that message in the bottle really. Really did something. Really landed on the internet I guess. Yeah, seriously. It's funny though how like, once you have success in your life,

it's crazy how the goal posts always move. Like I think it's so easy maybe for you guys to like, I don't know, look at Sabrina or look at somebody else who was on a show with you, who's like gone like crazy and like crazy, crazy successful. But I don't know, I think I try to remind myself of, okay, what, like I'm a dad and I've got like two beautiful boys that are the best.

And I don't know like what that is for you. Like maybe that's your nephew or for Jake, maybe that's your girlfriend. But it's's I think it like puts things in perspective when you're like I have so much to be thankful for Like even in this moment, even if you know you you fail because I totally resonate with you talking about failing Like I failed so much in my life and it like when you fail it sucks Yeah, but just recognizing like man. I have so much to be thankful for I don't know that always like makes me happy at the end of the day. I'm so thankful for my family and kind of like just in general the way I grew up.

And I still, I mean I go to dinner at my parents house probably twice a week. I live like 25 minutes from them and my whole family does a big dinner on Sunday. And that's like, it's something that's whole family does a big dinner on Sunday. And that's like, it's something that's like just so can be easily tossed aside as like, I gotta go to dinner again on Sunday night. But it's like, I don't know, it was worst case scenario, you get to go see your family a little bit, you know? And I just like really appreciate that time with them. And I look at like my sisters and then they're all married and they're having kids and it's like, it's so cool to see them doing that. And that's like, obviously something that I'm so excited to do, you know, it's just such a,

it's such an interesting way of living when you work in the film industry, because it's not as simple to just go, all right, well, I'm going to start working my job and then I'm going to get married and have kids. Cause I'm like, well, hang on, I got to do this all day. And then I might have to leave for six months on end to go film over here And it's like you kind of really have to establish yourself before you can do that But I think for both of us we certainly want to prioritize family You feel like you can't do like this career wall Also, cuz you're saying like when you get married and start a family like you're gonna move away Like do you feel like it's kind of impossible to have like the type of family you want to have while still having this job

In this career. It's not possible. It's not possible I'd say like certainly hard what I was gonna say kind of in response to that both those questions is like Purpose is kind of the shared human experience. So like for you guys It's it's it's having kids and like, you know, you have so many people watching you guys for advice and sort of building a life around your family and your kids and I think people who don't grow up on doing film and TV who get into it in their like 20s, it means everything.

So it's like their purpose is art and then, you know, if that works out, great, they keep doing it, they build a family but some people that we know that are like 30, 35, like, you know, they, they keep doing it, they build a family, but some people that we know that are like 30, 35, they've just been doing it for so long, it's consuming. Some people can balance both, some people, it's literally just everything for them until they can find the time or a reason to have a family.

But I mean, you've grown up around your family. I definitely have valued my family more into my 20s, but it's definitely hard to balance both at times because you feel like you want to give everything to your work. If you do that, then how much time are you going to be able to give to your family or your kids? But I guess that works that way for every profession. It just feels like with the failure aspect or with trying and constantly getting rejected

and having to pick yourself back up, it's hard to imagine doing that now when we didn't necessarily have to do that as kids, giving that to our own kids. Because there's something inherently selfish about it. Totally, yeah. You really have to be pretty selfish when it comes to just in general work

and being able to do things like for instance we're here right now. You have to be confident that people want to see you on a screen. Yeah. Like having the ability to just be here right now with you guys and not have to worry about having a kid at home or something like that. Having the freedom to to make those choices for your career. There's a lot of things that you have to do that's kind of selfish and it's it's not the easiest thing as you guys know. We have kids.

We both liked acting, performing as kids, so it's pretty possible that one of our kids will be interested in this in the future. I'm now interested as a mom. Doing this as a child, how did it shape your self image and your confidence? I inflated it. Oh really?

Yeah, definitely. I think on the contrary. I don't really yeah, definitely we Think on the contrary what I really think on the contrary like deflated. Yeah, that's what I felt like Okay, so yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, you thought you were okay, Jake Everyone told you how amazing you were No, no, no, no, no, but I mean like you mean like self image and like, like now as a kid, how I view ourselves now or how we feel ourselves then. Yeah, but maybe let's start with then. So you're a

kid. I'd say then and now we're very different. I think then when it came to my acting ability, like I felt more confident, I guess, because I was constantly being told how good I was, you know, and that was a strange thing. I think from like a physical or social aspect, I guess, I wasn't a confident person at all. I think I was very confused. And I think I went through a time where like,

I was working on television in an awkward stage. So, you know, you would hear comments about that a lot. Being like a chubby 14-year-old or something like that. So like confidence-wise, that aspect of it wasn't really the case. And I said this to you the other day. I didn't even realize when I was 17, 18 years old that I was like a decent looking guy. I didn't know at the time. I didn't have any self-confidence in that sense.

So you were confident in your ability to act, but you weren't necessarily confident in your looks? Where did those comments come from? I don't know if it was necessarily social media comments or stuff like that, but just kind of knowing in general where you stand with acting. Again, you kind of have to accept the idea that you're never going to be the leading jock in a show because you're like, well, I'm not gonna get that role. They're gonna hire this person for that role.

And that, I can say that with ease now, but that's a weird thing to have to accept as a kid when you're like, oh, I'm not as attractive for as tall or strong as that guy. So he's going to get it. Not me. And that's like it sounds simple, but it's mentally. Yeah, I didn't think about that at all as a kid.

I think about that way more now. See, I don't care now. I really don't care because I know that like there's not necessarily caring. It's just being aware of it. I know what I'm saying. Like I know the things that I'm good at, where I guess I was confused by why I wasn't getting certain things at the time.

Now I know that if I'm going out for a comedy or sitcom or something like that, that I can be one of the most experienced person in the room, and I have that confidence. I know that if I get that audition for the college football player, I'm gonna go, no, that's not me. You know, like that's stupid. But like, son on a sitcom, I'm like, yeah, I can go in there and kill that, you know? And I have that confidence now.

I didn't get that concept at 17 years old. That someone might be better for something than you necessarily? Yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah. So, what I'm kinda hearing is that the hardest part with those comments was more like not coming from the TV show side of things.

It's like from social media attention because of the TV show. Yeah, I mean people are ruthless on social media. It's bizarre. You gotta shut it off and you can't look at it at a certain point, but everybody does. We all say, like, eh, don't look at it. But every once in a while you open the comments

and you're like, oh, okay. That's so, that's just honestly more validating to me. I totally disassociate from my kids, but yeah, it's gotta be. I'm sure you guys, do you read it? Not anymore, and I actually feel so good. Yeah, my mental health. I feel so great.

Since I stopped reading comments, my mental health is so much better. Yeah. You said you feel validated the story I interrupted you. Well, we don't, we try to keep our kids like not online. And so I think that, and a lot of that for me was like, because I don't want people commenting and for like about my children, like making comments about them or saying like, oh, you shouldn't put your kids online.

No, I don't care about that stuff. It's more like for them. Like I don't want them to be like, I don't know, comment like this. The fact that people are commenting about your weight as a 14 year old like oh yeah oh my gosh that yeah yeah before the podcast we're about to all eat cookies and you're like I'm not gonna eat that cookie until the podcast yeah you said you'd be sad about it right no dude okay honestly so my my you have to answer for that brother yeah For that caramel cookie got me now. I'm not gonna eat it on the way. No eat the cookie

Let's all eat cookies when we're done. Yeah the internet. I'm not gonna do that. No, I mean like for me more So I've become weird with my hand. It's not weird, but like more cautious of my health Over the last like year and a half. I think when I went to college my health over the last year and a half. I think when I went to college. More cognizant maybe. Sure, but I went to college and didn't really care about what I was eating and I was drinking and just having fun and being in college

and I think everybody puts on weight when they're in college. Freshman 15. Yeah, I just didn't really pay attention to it or notice it and then I think I found myself at a point where I was like, oh I don't wanna look like that anymore. So then I started on like going okay, well I want to lose some weight,

I want to get in good shape and you know, spent the last, I guess like a year and a half really just kind of going crazy about it. But like the thing is, I love food, right? So like I am a foodie. I love cooking, I appreciate food, which is I think the worst trait I have in my life I wish I didn't have that you know because like it's like dude you look great. Oh, thank you

I really look great. What are you talking about? But like The urge of like oh, I want to just It's like you have to deal with that demon inside but I know I've gotten to the point now where I'm like, okay cool Like I joke around it's like I'll eat the cookie. I really don't care but like I'm just to the point now where I'm like, okay, cool, like I joke around. It's like, I'll eat the cookie. I really don't care. But like, I'm just more of like now I'm more aware of like, well, I eat healthy 98% of the time. There's something inside you though that goes like,

I wanna eat all 12 of those cookies. Oh. Yeah. I don't have that. I was gonna take the glass container one. Yeah. No, I asked her not to bake anymore sometimes cause she legit would like, Abby would make 24 cookies. I would eat all 24 in 24 hours. Yeah, dude, I asked her not to bake anymore sometimes cuz she legit would like Abby would make 24 cookies I would eat all 24 in 24 hours. No, no, it's like I just I love

But I started to find love for like my biggest thing is like cooking I Like I just like cooking because I like to cook my food in the most healthy way possible that I can and I just from This last week. You're also a good cook. You make good food. Thank you. Yeah, but this last week I was in New York and then you know came to Arizona and I just like I haven't cooked once this last week and I feel gross Like I just don't feel good because every meal that I eat Guys want some dinner? Yeah But like I just like you know, I like cooking my food.

Even chicken. Chicken confuses me so much. You go to a restaurant and if you just ordered a grilled chicken breast, and it comes out here, it's just doused in some oil that they made, and it doesn't taste as good. It's dry. It kind of sucks. It's just never as good. When I cook it at home, and I just cook it on my own with nothing in it, it's the healthiest version. It's clean. It's not covered in a vegetable oil. I feel so much better You know and so now I like have that feeling of like I know that like when I eat that crappy meal

I'm gonna feel crappy for a bit after but it's worth it because it's So good, you know, like we go to a baseball game like I'm gonna eat nachos and have a beer It's not it's just not gonna happen. I just eat so much processed sugar that I don't feel the difference so this guy though has the metabolism of a 13 year old boy and has since I was a 13 year old boy I've known him. Yeah, if if he ate that whole thing of cookies He would eat dinner a little later and not gain a pound tomorrow. Yeah, probably. He just doesn't. That's awesome. And it's so annoying. It's so

annoying to watch because you're like, I want that ability, you know? He's just always been. I also have severe ADHD, so I forget to eat constantly. I'll forget a meal. Oh, now I look like a jerk. What? Well, I mean, like- I think you just kind of vocalize how every wife feels about their husband though To be honest like they're like, oh my husband can literally eat whatever they want. You eat as much food as I do Don't be lying He's like you're doing alright, don't worry I'm like you took more Oh, I do that all the time

You guys make steak people? I love steak but we don't really know how to cook it that best so we have to go to a restaurant Oh, I do that all the time People I Cook it that best so we have to go to a restaurant We're more salmon people. We make salmon pretty much every week. So look I eat I eat steak I eat some kind of beef probably every other day You can always have more red meat I mean that I might be any Mc... Mmm, it's not the best thing ever. It is good for you.

But okay, what what is new for you guys? You guys have a podcast now. Yeah. Any exciting projects coming up in the works in addition to the podcast? We would love to give you what they are, but none for me right now. You know, I mean for us, I mean the podcast is something that we are really pushing for doing more of. You know, we started, we had started on the podcast journey a while ago, had some difficulties with it, and then restarted and brought it back mostly because we enjoyed

talking to people. Yeah, having those conversations, and also just like, the reaction that we got to it was awesome. Like, it was really so cool. We had a lot of people really excited over the fact that we were doing a podcast together You know, so just pushing and grinding to get that back out there And then yeah, you know the typical life of an actor just auditioning and doing stuff like that Trying to write trying to produce whatever comes our way. Nothing

Nothing in the in the works right now or nothing like being put out there right our way. Nothing in the works right now, or nothing being put out there right now, but stuff in the works. How many nos does it take to get one yes? I don't know, I'll let you know when I get a yes. No, I'm probably gonna- I'm seriously, do you have to audition 20 times to- No, there's no quantifiable-

I think the better way to say what's a good ratio, I'd say 50 nos to one yes is pretty good. You're kidding. No. That many. 50 no's to one yes. It's kind of like on baseball. I'd say like 10 no's to one yes is like you're doing something right.

Dang. Five no's to one yes is like you're working, you're like a fully working actor, everyone wants to work with you. You know how like in baseball like you hit a 300 average, you had an amazing career. Yeah. In reality that's three out of ten hits you know it's like that's that if you booked three out of ten jobs oh my god your batting average would be unreal. That's shocking I would have thought it would have been like you guys saying you have to you get so many no's I thought it'd be like one one yes for every 10 auditions. No, I know but it's who work like my girlfriend does but she

Gets a lot more called and that she's very talented. But like she should probably like one one One yes for every like 15 knows maybe 20 but it's different for everyone Yeah, and sometimes sometimes the seasons are different. Sometimes it's 50 sometimes it's five. Sometimes it's 10. Yeah I did not expect that. Yes, you're so good though Sometimes the seasons are different. Sometimes it's 50, sometimes it's five, sometimes it's 10. Yeah. I did not expect that at all. That yes feels so good though. That one yes is just, yeah, keeps you coming back. That's the drug.

I remember when we were in acting college and they brought in a guest actor to do a Q&A with us and they're like, what's dealing with rejection like? Cause I know that's like the reality, like this career. And he was like, I just never get those. That person was so cocky though, Abby. He literally said that, I was like, I don never get roast. That person was so cocky though. I mean, he literally said that. I was like, I don't know.

Man, that guy had to get to know his next job. And you're like, who is he? Yeah. Who is he? Yeah. Nobody knows who this guy is. As we record from your podcast studio in your home. I think in the theater world, some people might know this person, but yeah, we're

not going to roast them. No. We're not going to say their name. Anyway, he's probably known actually, but. I don't know. I mean, people, unless you're like freaking Kristin Chenoweth, like people don't know who you are in the Broadway world. I knew him well before I went to college. But like you were a theater kid. Wait, is he an actor actor or is he a theater kid?

Like a theater, more the Broadway. Is that how they view it in LA? Don't say actor actor, dude, that's an insult. Wait, is that a thing? Does he do like real acting or is he doing a TV actor? Hold up, is there like a difference there between, you know, is that a thing? Oh, does he do like real acting or is he doing TV actor, theater actor? Hold up, is there like a difference there between, you know, LA and New York? Is one looked at better than the other?

Dude, I think theater seems scary to me. A lot more prestigious. A lot of people who work on television want to make money in television so they can go work in theater for the rest of their life. Really? Yeah. I would have thought it'd been the opposite.

I thought people would just wanna make more money. Yeah, because people on the theater side of things were like, yeah. There's no money in theater. No, there's so much money in television and then it's just a harder task And I think when you've like done things in acting on the television side of things like, you know If if I mess up my words, I get to do it again and everybody's fine with that Yeah, whereas like you can't really mess up and it's seemingly perfect on stage Obviously they do mess up and obviously as an audience member maybe you don't notice it.

But that's just as impressive the fact that they can hide that and make it seem like they didn't mess up. So we don't have like, even when we did live audience shows it's like you mess up, you just do it again anyway. They're just filming, you know? So it's totally different. That's the only like live experience I've ever had.

And a lot of people like grow up and they love it. They love theater. That's the only live experience I've ever had. And a lot of people grow up and they love it. They love theater. That's where they find their love for acting and then they wanna go right back to it as much as they can. I would love to do. I would love to do a Broadway play. Oh, you would?

Not a musical, a play. Are you guys actually doing things to make that happen or is that just kind of one day, hopefully that would be cool? I think ideally for me, I'd love to be living in New York over the next few years and and trying to do it at the very least It's just always been something that I really wanted to do I've also always wanted to live in New York and I think that that experience would just be so valuable as it, you know as a Television actor too, you know just like to have that experience. But apparently

people struggle oftentimes with like over projecting and coming into stage like coming onto television and being like they're performing so big and people are like, camera's right here. Like we're right here and you can settle down. You don't need to yell into the mic, you know. But like I would imagine you're so used to having to perform for the person in the last row, like that's what they tell you in theater, right? It's like performed for the guy in the last row. Like that would be weird,

because you know, we have a microphone right here. I don't have to yell that loud. So it seems like such a different world, different beast. I always like to end on a fun note. Do you guys have like a funny story or something crazy you've never shared before that would be kind of fun to end on. We almost killed our set, almost killed a stunt guy on set.

What? That is so funny that that's exactly what you were going to say. I was just about to say that. Like actually though they almost died. You tackled me, don't forget about that. I was going to say that one as well. That one, yeah here you go. Nice job.

We spent too much time together. Seriously. Okay, you need to prep. The guy didn't, we didn't almost kill him. Like I mean, basically a stunt went wrong. I thought he was dead. It was scary. There was supposed to, there was a big timing thing.

So when somebody gets thrown through glass, right, it's called candy glass. It's this fake glass that's super brittle, but we have a big logo in the hospital that was too big to do candy glass because it would just break on its own. So they had to do like an electrical charge through the glass. Explode the glass.

Yeah, so they'll explode it right as the guy's about to hit it so it looks like the glass broke when he went through it. So somebody gets thrown through the glass and there was the like special effects team and then everybody else was supposed to, we were all on the same page. They're like, once this goes, it's happening, you know? And I'll never forget this. You and I were standing next to each other. Dude, I can still hear, I think it was Danny that said hold.

No, it wasn't Danny. It was our lighting guy, remember? Because that's what it was. That's what was the worst part about it. It was like, it was basically they said like, if anything happens right before, scream hold and the special effects will not blow this glass and then the stunt guy will not go. We do action, we start to go. I don't really know how this one was miscommunicated.

The stunt guy had to wear headphones, like earplugs, because the glass, when it would blow, he couldn't get glass in his ear and he couldn't hear the explosion. Like it would be too loud. So they call action and they give him the signal to go. And then somebody yells, hold, right before he goes. So he has to like jump into this glass window and the

special effects team is supposed to blow it at the same time special effects team heard hold so they didn't go wait what did he say he didn't say hold he said no he said oh it's face I heard special effects team heard hold so they didn't blow it stunt guy didn't hear stunk I couldn't blow it. Stunk, I didn't hear a hole. Stunk, I couldn't hear it, jumped into the glass, like head first into it, it didn't blow, and then like fell. Did it knock him out? I can't remember.

I don't wanna say, because I don't wanna be wrong about it. Yeah, I can't remember if it knocked him out or not. You both watched it happen. Oh yeah, I mean he got up, he was disoriented. Either way, huh? I'll show you guys the video later. Oh, I forgot that you have that.

You have a video of this? He reminded me of it like two years ago, too And I was like, oh my god, I forgot we did that to someone it was by no means like it was not like a Somebody's fault like really I'm just like it was it wasn't like a typical thing on set to say like hold before it's not He just couldn't hear. Yeah, and he could and that was the only miscommunication and it wasn't like anybody on that set did anything wrong It wasn't like anyone at the network did anything wrong it was just an unfortunate thing that happened there was a and then people were upset because they felt bad for him they felt bad that like someone could have been hurt yeah i mean they felt bad they felt bad for the lighting guy they felt bad for special

like everybody was like this was just the most unfortunate thing did he go to the hospital after that yeah what yeah no he did the stunt after that yeah and then he went to the hospital after that no way yeah he did really yeah yeah because they were just oh, yeah. Okay, so it wasn't like yeah But he was super disoriented like it looked like he had a stunt guys go through crazy crazy stuff Somebody died on the set of The Walking Dead a couple years ago. Yeah, we're filming in Atlanta. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, we uh, we had a guy on good luck Charlie There was a bit in the first episode where Bob falls down the stairs holding the baby and he like falls down each step and then catches the baby at the bottom of the

stairs and the stunt guy who had to do the bit like would go down each step and he had a big pat on his back but I guess it like super like it really messed up his back like you see he like he hit every step on the road yeah I don't want to make anybody's like I'm scared. Bradley tackled me one of our first week, it was our press week, like a few weeks into shooting. He tackled me because I made a joke about someone he had a crush on from his childhood. So he tackled me on camera.

Everyone was there. There was like a line of press outlets. Was this pre Sabrina or post Sabrina? Pre Sabrina. Yeah, no dude, what happened was you liked a girl. This is how young we were and stupid. You liked a girl and then I met that girl and started talking to that girl. Hang on.

Hang on. And so then we got mad about that and you were mad at me. So then you made a joke or made a comment about that girl that I liked. No, no, no, no. Oh, the other girl that you like. Yes Okay. Yeah, you you made the comment about her and then I was pissed at you. So I I think about the adults in this situation like boys, please. Well, they thought that we were just like goofing around They're just messing around on set they have so much fun, but I was mad at him. Yeah, that's what he didn't like me

Yeah, that's why you did that the first season you real real douche move by the way, but that's okay We've worked through it. It also makes me sound like I have anger issues that it tackled you in front of I mean, I just told you this morning that it didn't support you for the golf round. So I mean, it's fine I still have things and work it will definitely check out Bradley and Jake on their podcast Where else can people find you guys here on YouTube with your podcast? What yeah tell us all about you. It's uh, it's called the sit and chat. It's pretty straightforward podcast We sit and chat and where yeah, we're on Instagram. We're on tick-tock Everywhere. Yeah, YouTube. We're on our own socials go follow us if you like, you know nonsensical content

You know, I don't think I do. No, it's okay know nonsensical content no stay here stick it here I like this podcast if you want to hear the difference in the two podcasts that you guys will get no honestly we did good we it's the same conversation we talked about this a thousand times we need to be better like we just we swear well thank you guys this was this was super fun go go follow them on all their social medias and we appreciate you guys being here thank you guys I watched the podcast last week by the way I'm a big fan