The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby - Chari Hawkins on Choking at the Olympics, LeBron James & Family Planning as an Athlete

Episode Date: September 4, 2024

Olympic Pentathlete Chari Hawkins joins us this week, fresh from an unexpected experience at the 2024 Paris Olympics. She shares her surprising journey at the Games, including an encounter with LeBron James. We also get an intimate glimpse into her personal life as she opens up about the challenges of planning for motherhood as an athlete. This episode is sponsored by Hiya, BetterHelp and Athena Club. Hiya: Go to https://hiyahealth.com/UNPLANNED and receive 50% off your first order. Get your kids the full-body nourishment they need to grow into healthy adults. BetterHelp: Visit https://BetterHelp.com/unplannedpodcast today to get 10% off your first month. Athena Club: Head over to https://AthenaClub.com to try their already-affordable Razor Kit for 30% off with code UNPLANNED at checkout. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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the person who chokes at the Olympics. I've been putting my life on hold for 20 years so that I can maybe make the Olympics. It's not an easy journey. You have to be willing to trade your life for it. I had to miss funerals. You have to miss a lot of stuff. Are there some pretty strict rules with the javelin throw? Like I've heard of people getting impaled with those things before. Hasn't that happened? No, it happens all the time. What? Yeah. Being a female Olympian, how has that affected like your

family planning? That's a really good question. Today on the unplanned podcast, we're joined by Jari Hawkins, who went viral at the 2024 Paris Olympic Games after she no-hided in the high jump, the second event of the heptathlon. This meant that she would have no shot at a medal, but she remarkably decided to still compete in the rest of her events. We unpack everything from that heartbreaking moment to meeting LeBron James and family planning as a pro athlete, all in today's episode. What's up dudes? And welcome back to the unplanned podcast. Today we are joined by Olympic athlete, Chary Hawkins. Let's just give it up.

Let's just give it up real quick. Thank you so much for being here. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Thanks for having me. I'm excited. A quote that I've heard that I've never related to more is like people that like to run, does anybody, has anyone told them that they don't have to and so I'm like I honestly want to know

like do you genuinely as someone that like runs for your job like is that do you genuinely just like love it? No. I hate running. Running sucks. It's so hard but it teaches you so many great things and like it's one of those things where every time I go to do it you also have to remember that like I like to remember that I like to sprint and I like to run, jump, and throw, because I'm a heptathlete, so I do all the events, right? So when it comes to running, I'm like, oh no. Because it's really intimidating and it's really hard,

but the longer I've done it, the more it's taught me and the stronger it makes me. And so, yes, it sucks. And I think the number one thing we have to do is it sucks for everybody. And except for like the rare few people who's like their body just like loves it. But I think like the more you do it,

the more you get used to it, and the more you're like, wow, like, okay. It gives you almost instant gratification because you finish running, you finish actually doing it, you're miserable. But then afterwards you're like, wow, I did it. And where can you do that? Where you just like, you do something one time

and you're instantly proud of yourself. That was not the answer I was expecting. I thought you were gonna be like, I love it. It's like my passion and all this stuff. I wake up at 430 and do it. Well, we gotta be real here. Yeah. We gotta like running, like I actually remember,

I remember reading a book that talked about the importance of like raising your VO2 max and how important it is for your longevity of your lifespan. Wait, the VO2 what? Yeah, hold up. VO2 max, what is that? It's like your oxygen levels. So basically doing anything all out, anything till failure.

So like the assault bike or the air bike and you do that all out for a minute, right? And it's just like afterwards you literally want to die That's that's like an example of doing something that is gonna raise your vo2 max, right? Sprinting at all-out capacity something doing something basically until failure The best thing that he ever said was all of these benefits He listed about all the benefits that it does for you and everything that it can do for you But then he said the the, there's pros and cons. The con is it sucks. But the great thing is it sucks for everybody.

And so you get to be the one that chooses to do all of the benefited things, knowing that it sucks. And that's kind of like what running is. Is sometimes you don't want to do it. It's hard, but then you do it, you get the benefits from it, and you're like, wow, I did it and you stack that one after another and the better you get at it, the more you like it and the more you like it, the better you get at it.

And it's just like, it's one of the things which I don't know, you guys, you, that's probably how burn was at first for you probably, right? Like at first you were kind of like, I had so much fun after, but during it, I hate this. Yeah, for sure. Like this hurts. I had so much fun after, but during it, I hate this. For sure, you're like, this hurts. I think it's hilarious that you're relating Abby's workout class to being an Olympic athlete. I'm doing it, I'm gonna do it with you tomorrow.

Let's go. No way. I promise you, you're gonna be like, oh no, is she actually an Olympian? Because it's gonna be a completely different energy system. Whenever you try something new that you've never done before and it's different than what you're used to, your body gets shocked into it. But I like doing that kind of thing.

That's why I love cold therapy. Have you guys ever taken an icebox? Ice cups, it's brutal, right? Like when you're in it and you're like, oh no, why would I ever do this? And then you get out and you're like, I loved that. That was actually really nice. But when you're in it, you're like,

I'd rather be anywhere else. But sometimes those are the most rewarding things, right? Yeah, how do you push past that where you're like, ugh, the sucks. Breathing, right? Like I think doing deep breaths and staying really present in your breath, that's gonna get you through almost anything.

I mean, I used that at the Olympics when I like failed and I felt like I wanted to die and go home I just kept doing one breath at a time one step at a time one event at a time can we talk about that a little bit let's I guess when I rewind a little bit yeah we should really good I like I just can't imagine the feeling of like working your whole entire life for something and then actually making it like getting to be At the Olympic Games in Paris you're at the opening ceremony. What's going through your mind? There's two things like the first thing is like you're right. I trained for 20 years for this and

It's not an easy journey at all Like that's the one thing if you really do want to do this that I would say is it's so hard. It's something that you have to be willing to trade your life for. You have to miss family reunions. You can't eat any fun food at Thanksgiving. You have to miss birthday parties. You have to miss like a lot of stuff. I had to miss funerals. There's a lot of stuff that like you have to miss out on. You have to sacrifice. But I've also been at practice nine and a half hours in a day. It's my longest standing practice.

But six hours was probably the most normal. A lot of times, I'd leave at 8.30, I'd get home at 6.30 sometimes. I would get home at 6.30, make dinner, shower, and get ready for bed because I needed 10 hours of sleep. And it's that over and over year after year day after day so to be able to even have the a shot at the Olympic trials

it's so exciting but it's also think about the anxiety of I've been putting my life on hold for 20 years so that I can maybe, maybe make the Olympics. Yeah. And in the USA, it's really hard to make the team. In 2021, I didn't make the team. If I would have made the team, the scores that made the team would have taken silver at the Olympics that year. So in order to even make the Olympics, you had to have been able to take silver

at the Olympics. That's how intense it was, right? So the team is the hardest team to make possible so you're putting all of the sacrifice for a roll of the dice on if you're gonna have a good day that day and if you're gonna be top three in the country and top 24 in the world. Was your family when you're missing family reunions and missing funerals, was your family telling you like, hey, maybe it's time to give this up? Like was there anybody in your life that was like, you know what, is it worth it?

Like was there anybody saying that to you? Because at the time, nobody knew that you were actually going to make the Olympic team. Yeah, sure. I think it's kind of, I remember when I left college, well not left college, I graduated college and I knew I wanted to keep going my parents actually sat me down I sat them down and I said hey, I'm gonna go pro and I'm gonna go move to Santa Barbara and They told me shari We love you

But like I don't know if this is the choice for you and I was like, oh so maybe I didn't Make myself clear. I literally said this so maybe I didn't make myself clear I literally said this to him I'm letting you know that that's what I'm doing like I'm letting you know. How old were you? 24. Okay. Yeah so I was a grown-up I was able to make the decision and the thing about my parents is they also don't miss anything right like they come to everything and guess who moved me to Santa Barbara my parents right so I think they were one of those things where they were they had my best interest at heart But this was a scary thing right and they wanted to try to protect me as much as possible

They didn't want me to be disappointed or they didn't want me to be like lost. They don't want me to waste my life, right? And then I ended up moving overseas Two years later to England to to go train and I remember calling my parents and being like, hey, I'm going to move to England. And they were like, listen, you're not good. And they were trying to be right. They were just like, you are wonderful. We love you. But like, I don't know if the Olympics is really like in your future.

Right. And so just it's a lot, it's a big sacrifice, like we don't know, and I was like, oh wait, I'm like, maybe I wasn't clear. I'm letting you know that this is what I'm doing. And they were like, okay. And then I went to England, had an amazing time in England, and I let them know after England,

I'm moving to San Diego, and they were like, great, we trust you, you're great. And it took them a while to warm up to the idea, but at the end of the day, who was at every meet guess who came to England guess who you know what I mean my parents have been there for me the whole way as mentors but also as supporters and it kind of just goes to show that you don't have to have everybody's absolutely yes to make the decision and that doesn't mean they're gonna leave you either.

You know what I mean? Even your biggest supporters can doubt you sometimes. You have to be the one that believes in you at the end of the day. You must have to have a little bit of crazy to believe. I've heard of that for entrepreneurs and anybody that wants to do something big. You literally have to have delusion,

delusion to be like, I can do this. Like I can be in the top 0.0001%. But you had it and then it worked. Like I don't, it's weird cause like hearing your parents, like they obviously were looking out for you and wanted the best for you. But it's almost like them telling you no made you like stronger in your beliefs for yourself

And it sounds like it pushed you to be an even better version of yourself in a way sure And I don't know how you guys feel but there's something that I think we do as humans Where we compare ourselves to other people instead of really looking into what we really believe we can do and leaving other people out of it. And I think especially when I was younger something that my parents really did instill in me is my own self belief in myself. Like you really can do any anything you want and it had nothing to do with what other people could do. And so they made me, they made me who I am, they shaped me who I am. So my mom even said, I remember one time I was talking to her,

she's like, at the end of the day, I raised you as an independent thinker. So like, I'm not surprised that, you know what I mean? I'm not surprised, like you get it. And even they will say like, we're really glad you didn't listen to us because they are so proud of me and they're so wonderful and I just adore them.

But yeah, and even if I feel like we do call it delusion, right? But I like to think of it as just the lack of comparison. If we really are willing to just, it's okay that this person has XYZ. It doesn't mean that that should be my journey. And it doesn't mean that that can't be my journey. Like other people's success has nothing to do with me. That can't be my journey. Other people's success has nothing to do with me. My success has nothing to do with other people. It's none of any of our own business. We have to focus on us.

I think that was something that I really had was just a one track mind of I can do it. It doesn't mean that other people can't. It just means I know I can. I'm in my body and I'm in my brain and I know I can do it. You know, have you guys ever had that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like you're just like, I just know I can do it. Like, I don't know why. It's just like, I just do. For me, that was being a YouTuber. Yeah. And my parents did the same thing to me. They were, my mom saw me working like a full-time job, getting paid zero dollars to make YouTube videos. And she was like, Matt, you really should like

focus on some other things. And she, and for me, like my mom was the same way. She encouraged me to follow all my dreams. And when I was a child actor, briefly as a kid, she drove me to all 40 shows that I had to do at this theater and like, she spent more money on gas than the 300 bucks I got paid to be in the show. Like, you know, so like, I totally, I totally relate to that. I, I wanted to ask you though, I saw this viral photo of like a before and after of you with LeBron James and it was,

it was really, really cool. Like I just looking at your, your social media, like you see LeBron James and you as like a little kid. And then next to the photo is you and LeBron James now in 2024 at the Olympics. Can you tell us the backstory of that photo? Sure. Yeah. So my dad is a basketball coach. And so every year we went to a big basketball tournament in Las Vegas.

And I remember my brother was obsessed because he was like, oh my gosh, LeBron James is going to be here. But at that time he wasn't pro yet. He was still in high school. And so was my brother and so he was like he is gonna be here and We're gonna like I he look at and he showed me the magazine cover He's like this is the best basketball player like in high school ever. He's gonna go pro. He's amazing

His name's LeBron James and so I was like Like looking at oh, this is so cool You know and we kind of did that every year. Like, we always looked for like up and comers. Like I think my mom and dad met Kobe Bryant, like when he was in high school, like way back in the day. So it was like really cool. And we were leaving and I saw him and I was like, oh, that's him.

That's literally him. And I was 12, right? I was like 12 years old, 11, 12. And so I had no manners and he was on the phone. So I was like, this is my shot, which it wasn't my shot. Wait until he's off the phone. But I didn't have that capacity as a little kid. And I went up to him and I mean, he's 17 years old, but he literally is as tall as he is

now. So I'm like, excuse me. Can I have a photo? And he was so nice. That's really sweet I as a 12 year old would not have opened my mouth I'm impressed by you because I've been too damn fine. But again my brain I was just like oh yeah like everybody wants to talk to me. Like as a little kid I was like oh my gosh like I'm adorable I'm an adorable little 12 year old and everybody wants to talk to me it's fine. I love that I feel like you and Matt are similar. Like you would always go up to people and I just be like no no no. I don't want to bother them. I'm afraid. I think that's a theater kid thing

because I think I was also born to be a theater kid. Truly. Did you do any theater or no? I wish but I was I just did sports all the time and but I was always like I took like the theater classes in high school but I could never do the play because it was the same time as basketball and I wanted to so bad but I would always do like I was obsessed I wanted to be like a Broadway star I'm obsessed with Broadway like we go to a show in San Diego once a month like love it obsessed with it hobby love it but but yeah I think it's like a theater kid thing we're just like oh my gosh like shining like a bright star like I don't know who did you have take that picture? Um, my mom took it. Yeah, and actually it's funny because my sister Um is on the other side of him and I cut her out and she's so bitter

She's like how dare you like well, you weren't in the second photo. You needed it So anyways, I went up to him and said can I take a take a photo? And he literally said, like on his flip phone, because back in the day, on his little flip phone, not even a Razer phone, those weren't even invented yet. And he goes, oh, hey, just a second. And he said, of course. And he takes a picture. He literally, I'll probably, I'll share the original

with my sister in the background, but behind my sister's back is his phone open because he's still on the phone taking the picture and the phone looks like it's this big in his hand. Probably. Yeah, it is so funny. And so we took the photo and it was just like a photo that we loved because then he became King James, right?

So we were like, we have the photo before he was even King James. And like we were obviously like when you meet somebody before they even got big, like you're just like, you believe that you they even got big like you're just like You believe that you're related to them, right? Like somehow we're connected like we're related. It's fine. And and so Yeah, when I first wanted to make the team in 2016, that was my first attempt at making the team I remember having this vision like not literally like an I envisioned this like thought process

of me being with the basketball team and showing LeBron James like, hey like let's recreate this photo. And I remember just like sitting in that and being like please, like I really wanna do that, that would be so cool, like we're Olympians and like all these things. And I remember seeing him and instantly

I went through the photo and I got it. I had it ready to go and we were getting ponchos and I was like I need a poncho. It was pouring rain outside so as I got the poncho I put on my poncho and all of a sudden I look and he's and I was actually getting ready to take a video to be like ponchos on rain is Here you know and all of a sudden he was right behind me, and I was like oh my gosh It's my perfect opportunity, so I pulled up my photo. I said hey can we take a video to be like, poncho's on, rain is here, you know, and all of a sudden he was right behind me. And I was like, oh my gosh, this is my perfect opportunity. So I pulled up my photo, I said, hey, can we take a picture? He said, of course.

He said, of course. And I was like, ah! And we took the photo, and then I was like, can I show you something? And I brought up the photo, and I showed it to him. And he goes, oh my gosh, and he grabbed my phone, and he's like, no way! And like, he looks at it, and he's, oh my gosh, and he grabbed my phone, and he's like, no way, and he looks at it, and he's just like, this is crazy,

and then as we all do, when we have a phone, and you see a picture of yourself when you're young, and you wanna swipe through, so he swipes, and then he realizes, oh, I'm swiping on a stranger's phone. He's like, here you go, and he gave my phone back to me. That's so funny. But he was like that, and he's like, thank you so much swiping on a stranger's phone. He's like, here you go. And he gave my phone back to me. That's so funny. But he was like that. And he's like, thank you so much for showing me.

That took me back. And it was so funny because I remember when I was a little kid and we got the photo because my brother wasn't there, so he didn't get the photo. It was such a bummer. But I remember being so excited because Isaiah and my brother had just talked to me about the photo. And I was like, oh my gosh, I'm going

to get to show him this picture. I remember being so giddy and so excited and it was so weird because that feeling of when he walked away, when he had to leave, I had that same feeling when I was a kid. I was like, this is crazy. It was just the most nostalgic thing and and I just was like I just love him. Was the photo taken on a flip phone?

The first one? Probably yeah. Or one of those like little digital cameras. Yeah like it was either one of those things because the photo the original photo is a photo of a photo. Okay. Yes. Uh huh.

Yep. The one that. No way. Yeah. What I love about that story is how genuine and kind he was to you because I think people get in there They they see like a clip of some super famous person turning down a picture or saying no to like a kid when they're like walking into some event and it's like You have to realize that if you're that famous and literally everywhere you go a hundred You know a hundred people want to get your picture every second you're

out in public. You can't say yes to every single one. And so I just love that. You clearly see his character there. I know. Do you know that's not the first time I've attempted to recreate that photo with him either. No way.

I tried a couple times. At the ESPYs, I think two years ago, was he hosting? Yeah, he was hosting the ESPYs. And so he had an after party that he was there. But his whole family was there, right? And I went up to him, but he's on top of a thing and I wanted to show him the photo. But he had a security guard that was like this

and wouldn't let me up there. And I was trying and he waved at me and like gave me like a little bow which was still so sweet and so and it was like loud and like and then I was like aw dang and then um CJ was just like well that was really brave of you to be fair like and he was so he was still so nice because it's that's one of those things that like everybody wants his time and attention and his whole family's there and he's yeah but he still like acknowledged me and was like and he waved and like all of that but I couldn't I couldn't get the photo but this one was so much better it was so much better thank you to Haya for sponsoring this portion of today's episode Haya and thank you for

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and get your kids the full body nourishment they need to grow into healthy adults. Talk to us a little bit about the Olympic Village. I know when we first met today, you were telling Abby how you wanted to try the Olympic muffins that she had made on TikTok. Yes. Because you had tried the actual ones at the Olympic Village. Yes. But I noticed you weren't eating those or really like you were you know keeping

yourself from eating those until after your event. I know I was giving them away to like my friends and family to like taste them hoping hoping that all of them would be like they're not that good. Like they're not that good. And like terrible friends being like these are the best things I've ever had in my life. Just tell me they're not that good. And then when I can have them, you can be like, right, they were the best things ever.

We were just being nice. But I finally was able to test them out and try them, and they were amazing. They were so good. So yeah, when I saw that you made them, I was like, oh my gosh, do you have any more? Because I would love to compare them. I said in the video, I was like, I feel gosh, do you have any more? Because I would love to compare them. I said in the video, I was like,

they feel like they're toeing the line between cake and muffins. Oh yeah, it was a dessert. It was like not an athletic protein packed thing. That was a delicacy, like truly. What do you have to eat to train? Yes, so for me personally, I think just like as I've gotten older,

my body responds less to like super sugary foods and even like pasta and bread. It just causes me a lot of inflammation in my gut. And because I train up to nine hours a day, I have to mitigate as much inflammation as I can because my body is so inflamed all the time, my joints and everything. So if my gut is also inflamed, you know,

that's what's gonna cause a lot of injury. So being able to eat clean, it really isn't about like, oh, I'm eating clean because I want to look a certain way or anything like that. It's really just mitigating as much inflammation as I possibly can. So really all I do is anything that like process sugars, process foods and like the bread and pastas literally just during season and then an off season, I'm like right when are we going to eat can we everything I would like all the things on the menu thank you okay is that not unhealthy on your body to train that hard and that long honestly I think the biggest thing that's a really good

question because the answer is probably yes but I think the other thing that I really make sure to do is I go to physical therapy four times a week So I'm also making sure that I'm getting as much recovery and as much physical therapy movement So I'm not just getting all of like the pounding on my body But really making sure that I'm strengthening all of those tiny little muscles for stability And really like allowing my body to recover as much as possible, too. So I sleep like 10 hours a night my body to recover as much as possible too. So I sleep like 10 hours a night. Wow. For recovery. Which probably sounds so nice as parents for you guys. You guys are like wait what's that like? Can we talk more about that? I actually slept four hours last night. That's his own fault. He didn't go to bed. That wasn't due to my kids though.

I honestly can't imagine. I don't even know what I would do. So you sleep 10 hours a night? I sleep like 8 hours. I'm like, my body hurts. Oh, I'm sure. My nervous system is I'm shaking. So what time do you go to bed? It depends on like what my day is like. So if my day, if my practice is going to start at 10,

I'll try to wake up at like 8 30. So I'll go to bed like at 9 so I can drift off to sleep slow and like all that kind of stuff. If I have a later night I'll literally text my coaches to be like I got to bed at I didn't get to bed till 11 so I really need to push back my practice. My coaches are always like really amenable to that as well. Is a practice just you like is it one-on-one? Yeah like I have trained with training partners which I highly prefer and highly recommend it is so much more fun but honestly ever since COVID I've been kind of a solo dolo lady it's really

great because you do get one-on-one with your coaches and I really love the attention to detail that I can give myself because I can take my time I don't have to rush because other people have to leave so we have to get the workout done it's really on my time and I really do like that but over and over and over day in and day out working out by yourself is such a challenge and there was a part where I was showing up to practice every day anxious because I just knew like this is gonna like it's gonna be a lot of hard work even if I didn't have a huge workout that was gonna be really lactic I would get really anxious because I just knew it was gonna be a lot of work and okay

what am I doing this for I'm doing this for the Olympics you got to put one foot in front of the other so mmm so you train every single day no so I train um I train five days a week I always take Wednesdays off and I always take Thursdays off. I mean not not Thursdays. I always take Sundays off Saturdays are just hard hard runs It's a really really difficult run and then I'm training pretty much all day Monday Tuesday Thursday Friday And so that's why I need that Wednesday off because I go so hard on Monday Tuesday If I kept going I think my body would break down so much.

So Wednesday and Sunday are my recovery days. What does a recovery day look like? It kind of depends. It's usually like I'll try to get a nap in there for sure. Just as much sleep as I can. But there's a lot of like the Normatec boots. Have you guys ever been in those? Like the massage boots?

Have you ever seen them? I think I've seen those before. Like the little compression, I could have brought them. We could have been in them while we were doing the. Does it feel good? Yeah, yeah, it's really nice. I mean, it's just like, it fills up with air so it squeezes your feet, then it squeezes your calves,

then it squeezes your knees. So yeah, it's really nice, but it just kind of gets blood flow. Sometimes I'll do just like a little bike circuit. Sometimes I'll do physical therapy as well. So we'll go in and I'll get some body work. I'll do just like a little bike circuit. Sometimes I'll do physical therapy as well. So we'll go in and I'll get some body work. I'll get a massage. I'll do cold therapy and just a lot of relaxing.

A lot of just like trying to rest your nervous system so that you can get back at it the next day. Wow, that's intense. That's a lot more than I would have even, I mean, I don't even know what I thought it would look like but all day is, that's what I'm surprised by Yeah, and I think it's important to understand that like yes. Yes, it's all day But you're it's a lot of technical work. It's a lot of it's it's physical work. It's mental work. It's technical work

I see two sports like out with sports sikes So each of those sessions I see him once a week and each of those sessions are an hour. So I spend one of them, we go really deep into the subconscious and we try to unlearn any traumas that I had, like not making the team in 2021. I had to unlearn a lot of that. And then I have another sports psych that kind of gives me the mindset stuff,

like what I'm thinking consciously and then what I'm thinking subconsciously. So there's a lot that goes into it So paying a psychologist Going to physical therapy ice baths all this treatment paying coaches who pays for all this stuff your girl pays for it Yeah, yeah, and and the thing is is that's why sponsors are so important And we talked about this a little bit before, but in 2016 when I really went pro,

I actually talked to CJ and I just told him, there's no way anybody's gonna pay me to do the Heptathlon because nobody knows what it is. Guarantee most people watching this, unless they're watching it because I sent them here, they don't know what a Heptathlon is. They have no idea what it is, they've never heard of it, they probably think I swim. You know what I mean? At some point they probably thought

there was a swim in there or a bike, you know, kind of a thing. Nobody knows about it. So nobody's going to pay you to do it. And that's why I started doing social media in the first place because it's so expensive paying coaches. And like a lot of the people like I do, I am able to like, you know, if you do really well, then your like United States track and field will give you a stipend for coaching and like all that. But that's only if you're taking top three. So think about, think about the hundreds of girls who were training to do this

and they're making it to the Olympic trials, but because they didn't make it to the world championships, they didn't make it to the Olympics. Like now they can't, they don't have a grant. They don't have anybody helping them pay for it. And a lot of sponsors are like, sorry, you didn't make it to the Olympics like now they can't they don't have a grant They don't have anybody helping them pay for it and a lot of sponsors are like sorry You didn't make the Olympics. Is that why a lot of Olympic athletes are now making content? They're trying to monetize on social media. That way they can pay their coaches pay for physical therapy That's why I started social media in the first place. Honestly, I wouldn't have started social media if it wasn't to fund track and field

For sure. Unreal. Yeah, I remember I actually got a comment once like way back in the day. Because I did social media content so that I could potentially get sponsors and I finally started getting sponsors. So every once in a while would put a sponsored post on and I remember somebody commented like hey, like your stuff now all of a sudden you're doing sponsored content and I really don't appreciate that.

And I was like, I hope you, I really responded and I said, I hope you really do appreciate the hustle of it because I get paid negative $4,000 a month to do track, literally to do track and field. I get paid negative $4,000 a month and this is the only way I can keep doing what I love. And he responded, he was like you know what respect and I totally I never thought about that before but that that's the thing is it's not even about being like oh and I

It's about this is my job. So at the beginning I was a nanny and I taught cooking That was what I did pay for it all that yeah that's what I did to like subsidize before I was able to actually grow my following. And now I'm able to focus on track and then use social media as a way to pay for my, essentially my hobby. I'd love it to be my job. It just doesn't pay me enough to call it my job, right? In 4,000 a month, is that at the time what it was?

Or has it gone up since then? Because you're competing at a very high level. Yeah, I don't actually. I haven't written down how much it costs me to do track and field per month in a long time. And I think I also probably want to be like, yeah, no. I don't want to know. No, it doesn't.

$1,000 a month, it's fine. It's probably a lot of that, honestly. A lot of times I'm probably like, oh, I have no idea and I don't want to know how much actually. So if you had a guess though, what would you guesstimate you're paying right now to pay for your hobby is what you said. That's hard because the other thing is I have to in order for me to train, although all year round in the perfect weather in San Diego. I have to live in San Diego So that also includes that's right now the most expensive place to live in the United States

and so it's also gonna include like just the Sunshine tax from San Diego, but it probably I would probably say I spend like Six to seven thousand dollars a month. I would probably say but that could be like a gross exaggeration But I do remember a long time ago writing down, you know And I think I had like five thousand dollars a month that I was paying And I have added a lot of things like to that because I see a I see like a doctor That's like an Eastern medicine doctor and I see him every week and it's just $120. Like here you go, here you go. But that doesn't include, that's

not including physical therapy. That's not including like random MRIs to just make sure oh this is hurting and before we keep going we need to make sure nothing's happening. It doesn't include a lot of stuff. But didn't they say, speaking of the king, doesn't LeBron James spend millions of dollars in recovery? Oh my gosh. I don't know, but I'm sure he does. Because he's, especially as you get older, you just have to prioritize your body. A lot of people ask me, how are you still getting better? I'm 33 years old and I PR'd in almost every single one of my events this year.

That's insane. And still getting better and I still feel like I haven't scratched the surface in a lot of them, but the whole reason is because I have to take perfect care of my body in order for it to last, for sure. Do you think it's more of a mental game? Because I've heard marathon runners get better as they get older because they realize they're capable

of so much more than they originally thought. So do you think like getting older has made you realize, wow, I can do so much more? In the heptathlon. It's really interesting because there's seven events. And so for each of the events, you can only train, you can't train every single one of them every day. Um, because each like high jump will last an hour and a half. So if I trained every single one of them every day, plus I added an hour and a half warmup and a 30 minute cool down,

that would be the whole day, right? So you have to you can only practice them one maybe two times a week And so if your season is 30 weeks, you're practicing them 30 times, right? And so thinking about only getting to practice something 30 times, but you have to train for the Olympics Over the years those those practices will add up So in the heptathlon, it's just like the more experience you get with each event, the more you figure them out. And I think that's why I've gotten better

is because every year I just kind of figure it out. But since I stay healthy, I don't have to take a break. And I'm one of those idiots that thought the heptathlon probably had biking in it or swimming in it. No, totally, it makes sense. What, like, can you describe to somebody who's like, I have no idea what all the events are? Yes.

Can you explain what it is and, yeah, kind of the whole process of it? Yeah. So track and field, we say it's like the OG Olympic event, which is running, jumping, and throwing all in one. So it's track and field events. It's two days. And it's seven events over those two days.

So day one is hurdles, 100 meter hurdles, high jump, shot put, and 200 meter dash. And then we go home, we rest up, we come back the next day, we do long jump, javelin, and then we finish with the 800 meters. So when we're training we have to be able to run, jump, throw, and hurdle. And so we're training so many different energy systems at all times while trying to still maintain our our like health and maintain our fitness at the same time. Are there some pretty strict rules with the the javelin throw like hey let's make sure no one's here

so no one gets impaled like I've heard of people getting impaled with those things before right? Like hasn't that happened? Oh no it happens all the time. What? Yeah noaled. I've heard of people getting impaled with those things before, right? Hasn't that happened? Yeah. No, it happens all the time. What? Yeah, no. I mean, I've never seen... I'm grateful I've never seen somebody get stabbed, but you hear stories all the time about people getting stabbed. And same thing, think about discuses.

They're like these big... Discuses are like these big spherical disks that are so heavy and people will throw them and people get hit in the head with them. Hammer throws are big balls with chains on the end that people toss like 200 feet. So imagine 200 feet flying in the air. Wow. Yeah. That makes me think of Matilda. Oh yeah.

Trunchable. Shot put. I'm a brainless hammer throw. Javelin, hammer throw. And I do two of those three. Yeah, I do two of those three. You look so different from Trunchable though. You're like a Barbie. Oh my gosh.

Well the thing, do you know what's actually funny is interestingly enough is I'm one of the, like that throwing is my strong suit in the heptathlon. So like I usually after the throws, I'll creep up in ranking. Interestingly enough, but it's because I kind of feel like I figured out that if you can jump and be explosive, you can actually figure out the throws like really good. It's not all about like like perfect strength. It's all about like timing. Wow. It's pretty cool. How do you, I mean we've talked a lot about like the physical training, but how do you mentally like prepare and train for events like this? I don't know. My question

to you guys is like when is like the most nervous you've ever been for like some sort of performance? Oh shoot. Um. Think about just the time that you were just so stinking nervous. I feel like auditions are more nerve wracking. Auditions, but maybe for me, I did a talent show in a theater that had over 2,000 seats. Oh, wow. It was like a St. Louis talent show. I'd made it to the finals and I was crapping my pants because I had performed in front of 11,000 people before, but I was also a kid and I had just like, when you're a kid,

you just have all the confidence in the world and like I was part of a cast so you're like you're with the team right like it kind of feels like you're you're not alone you're not doing it but I was singing and playing guitar by myself in front of over 2,000 people I was like I cannot mess this up like it was terrifying but I also love that feeling at the same time you know it's like afterwards you like it when you're in in it, you're like, I'm drowning. I feel like I'm suffocating from the inside. Like what's going on? What about you? I feel like honestly maybe college auditions because like with shows like you You've rehearsed so much that you're like, I kind of know what's going on

I can live in the moment but auditions they could throw anything at you and like the stakes were so high because it's like where we Were gonna be for the next four years. And I feel like those were probably the most nerve-wrecking. When we went to Chicago, I did all those auditions. That was a bad time for me. I was so nervous. It was a bundle of nerves.

I couldn't sleep, I couldn't eat. Is that what every event is for you? I'm literally letting you guys know, you guys have felt, it's the same anxiety. It's that same feeling and I think and it's that pressure of I don't know if you guys have ever felt this but like if I don't do well People are gonna think less of me Does that make sense? Yeah, and or or I won't be relevant

If I do well, like I'll be relevant and if I don't do well, nobody will talk to me. Nobody's gonna, because what happened in 2021 truly is I think nobody knew what to say, right? So I got a lot of we love yous right after. And then for three months, I think people wanted to just give me my space. But what ended up happening is nobody talked to me anymore And I'm a really social person and so I was talking to people every day

I was talking to my friends and family like every single day and so all of a sudden, you know in their mind They're thinking I'm giving shari space But what ended up happening is I realized like wow my community doesn't like me if I don't make the Olympics I realized like wow my community doesn't like me if I don't make the Olympics. No Isn't that crazy and it got me into like the the most the deepest darkest space that I've ever been in my life for sure definitely like in a space of like wow like You thought that you were training all these years for Yourself to like fulfill your dream but I didn't

realize I was training so that I had value. Yeah. And that thought process really shook me up a lot and it brought me to like a really really deep deep dark spot. So I had to do a lot of mental training to get out of that. I had to do um what's called brain spotting Which is kind of it reminds me of EMDR. Have you guys heard of like EMDR? I've never done EMDR but like when people talk to me about like what that is it reminds me a lot of that and It's just kind of like you living through lot of that and it's just kind of like you living through processing those kinds of emotions and I had this epiphany because I was getting a lot of anxiety coming up to the Olympic trials in 2024 and I realized like what am I

genuinely afraid of and I realized it was I was afraid of losing my community again so what I did instead is I told everybody. I told my parents, I told my friends, I was like this is what happened in 2021 and I know none of you guys meant to do this. Like I know because I know you and I know your hearts. All of you just wanted to give me my my privacy, my space to heal but like what actually happened is I felt abandoned and I need to know that like if for some reason I don't make the team again you'll be here. And overwhelmingly obviously my family was like oh my gosh of course like what are you crazy like and also I'm so

sorry and I was like you do not owe me an apology because obviously they did not that wasn't like on them that was a reflection of what I thought. And it was weird but having that safety net caused a lot of my anxiety to go away. But I wouldn't have known that I needed to say that to them if I wouldn't have processed that first part. And so when you say that there's a lot of mental training going into it, you have no idea how important it is to mentally train.

And I always like, a know, a lot of people don't like the thought of therapy or they think of it, it feels, it feels to like hot girls summer therapy, you know, like, I don't like, I don't like that because what it really is is it's emotional training and it's mental training. Like if we can think of, think of therapy as sports as sports psychology, but life psychology, you know, kind of a thing. I feel like we'll have better intentions of like unlearning things

that we taught ourselves subconsciously. Like if I don't show up this way, this way, this way, nobody's gonna love me, that we didn't realize that. And so, yeah, mental training is so big in the sport and it's crazy how much sport can apply to life in real life, it's crazy. This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. I just started going to individual therapy recently

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but don't really know where to start. For sure. I feel like every time we get to this time of year, every single year, back to school season, I get so nostalgic and I like miss qualities of like starting a fresh school year, the creativity, the wonder of it all and like being a child. And I feel like therapy is something

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That's better help H e l p comm slash unplanned podcast It's really inspiring how like you took it upon yourself to do the work and then also to like, I feel like it's a common thing nowadays you hear a lot about people being like, oh I just had to set up boundaries. Like that wasn't, not that boundaries are always bad, in fact a lot of times they're very healthy, but like you didn't look at the people in your life and think that they were you know bad. You said the problem wasn't them, it was just how you were processing their reaction.

The fact that you had an honest conversation and said like, hey, this is how I felt, this is what happened, this is how it made me feel. This is what I need. This is what I know your intentions were, but this is what I need different next time. Like, I respect that so much. Yeah, I'm actually, I don't know,

cause you said the same thing, like it's not that boundaries aren't important, but like there's something about, I don't know what you guys think about this but there's something about saying the word boundary to somebody that feels like an attack yeah I agree and and I like hey I'm setting a boundary here um I believe in boundaries too but I believe in in genuine boundaries like hey would it be okay if we did X Y & Z because Z? Because I think last time X, Y, and Z happened,

and I think this would be better. You know what I mean? And to me, that's the same as being like, I'm gonna set a boundary here, but I think if we say I'm gonna set a boundary here, it feels very like you're wrong, and now you're talking. It almost feels like you're calling somebody toxic. When it's okay to set a boundary,

just making sure that we're doing it in a way that feels like, it doesn't feel therapized, it feels like genuine. Like coming from my heart, like I love you and I wanna have a relationship with you. And this also could be a privilege of me having an incredible relationship with my parents. So there could be people that are like,

privileged much? Like not everybody can do that. And I actually acknowledge that too. Like it's important to acknowledge that as well. But like in my opinion, like even with my coaches, like I'm very, very like strict with like, hey, that last workout that we did that I didn't hit, I know you guys wanted to give me a workout

that was harder for me to see if I could hit it. But the fact that we're giving me workouts where I'm failing, I can't do it. And so we need to shift. And what happened actually is they kept not shifting. And they kept giving me workouts that I didn't know I was gonna fail because I'd never done that workout before.

And then I kept failing workouts, failing workouts, failing workouts. And I kept being like, hey, what are we doing? Can we give me workouts where we know I can succeed? And finally it got to a space where I was like, hey, I'm actually gonna just do my workouts on my own and write my own workouts. And it was so great.

It was just, and they were like, okay. And to me, that was me setting a boundary, right? Like we tried, we tried, we requested it didn't happen. And then it was like, hey, great idea. I think I'm just gonna do my workouts on my own. And they were like, okay, if that's what you wanna do. Something you mentioned earlier was that you had put your value in your sport. And so I'm curious if that's something that you still do.

Say more. What? What do you mean by that? Like, do you still place like your, cause you said it felt like if you didn't make the Olympics, right? Then people wouldn't want to be around you cause like you felt like your whole value

is derived from the thing that you did, which was the sport that you competed in at this very high level. So I'm curious if you found a way to derive your value outside of that, or if that's still something that you competed in at this very high level. So I'm curious if you found a way to derive your value outside of that, or if that's still something that you struggle with. Yeah. Do you guys feel that way ever? You've found so much success here.

You found so much success with your online community. And do you guys ever feel that way where you derive a lot of your value for how things do or how you're perceived or how things are going? Do you guys ever feel that way? Oh, 100%. Matt, we've talked a lot about that. Matt, specifically. What have you guys, because like the thing is, is like when you guys get into a space where somebody has a negative opinion of you

and then their stuff goes viral and their stuff feels, and it's so hurtful, by the way, even if you don't believe it, and even if you guys have each other to go through it, right? What do you guys do for that? I think something I had to realize is like, we've had podcast clubs go viral for the wrong reasons, and the negativity that came from that

used to be like super hurtful. But I've realized now like, those people that have you know negative things to say about me or our relationship they don't actually know who I am and so I have to like dissociate from that character that they paint me to be yeah and so I think that's like really helped give me like mental clarity yeah so and I'm being like so serious like both of you guys you just exude amazing energy.

Thank you. Like truly. And I think like it's hard when people don't, they don't know you and so they don't get to, they don't get a chance to see you and talk to you and ask you their own questions and hear you ask them questions and look them in the eye and like have such kind energy with everything and So they hear some sort of like clip that was clipped out of context or and or they're putting their own stories on to people and It's tough because it's it's almost bigger than you at that point and there's nothing you can do and I remember I had I had a

Comment that said like oh, that's why Shari's so annoying. She's from Idaho, you know, like on like a USA TF club. But the thing is, I was like, I get it. Like I get that like my energy is really big. It's a lot, I talk super fast. And I get how that's like, yo, like we need to get her out of here to some people. But I also know that like,

I can't take it personally, because that is them that can't handle it. And it has nothing to do with me. Right. And it's like, maybe like people are like looking at you two and they're like, I don't like that because like personally, whatever is my story, I can't handle that. You know what I mean? And so I need it to be a certain story. Right. I feel like you're interviewing us right now. It's kind of cracking me up. Like I it's funny how you were like, wait, how do you guys feel about that? But by the way, I love your energy and I think you're just like, such a positive person. I know we've only been around each other for like an hour. I was like, we're friends now, right?

Yeah, but I was like, we're friends now, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's how we make friends. We're friends. We're friends. That's a 1,000% That's crazy. Who knew?

That's an honor. So, but yeah, I think like before we start recording, you mentioned something about how you literally cannot take anything personally because people are always going through their own things. And their actions are largely derived from whatever demons they're fighting in their life. And so I thought that was a really good take.

Yeah. Have you guys ever, in that same thing, have you guys ever wanted, like you see a video that kind of struck something in you from you, and you wanted to like, why would you say something like that and comment that? And then you're like, oh, maybe not. Have you ever stopped yourself from commenting? Like critique yourself? No, no.

Have you ever stopped yourself from commenting either back to a troll or commenting on somebody else's video? Have you ever, like, stopped yourself from doing that before? Yeah, I try to not, like, get into that. Like, if someone's going to leave a negative comment, like, there's nothing you can do to change their mind. No, totally. But something that I've realized is I'm like, I've literally never in my life left a mean comment on someone's post

I'm like who are these people that are like their life must be really sad if they're but what it is Is there something that triggered them inside and couldn't help it and it was to them It was like I needed to get it out because I can't help but think it right Yeah, but it's it isn't you Yeah It is it is always gonna be them like I actually remember somebody left me a direct message that was just like I just want you to know that like I Think that you are the ugliest person I've ever met and I was like, okay

And I was like but and I remember at first when I read it it like stung and then I was like Here's like the the truth of the reality is like that person really did want to get my attention in some way because there was something in their lives that needed they needed something to hold on to and I was like it isn't about me it is never about me it's never about me you know and sometimes you just have to remember that. Like, and it sucks. But in the same way with like sports is I had to also be willing to disassociate like my performance with it's not about me.

Like that isn't who I am. My performance isn't a reflection of me because of the mark or the time that I got. The performance is about me in the way that I showed up. Like I showed up as me and I worked really hard and I smiled through it and I like made sure that everybody else was having a good time and I cheered on all of my competitors

and like that's what makes me me. And just because I didn't, you know, do what I wanted to do, that doesn't say anything about who I am But how I showed up to it. That's where it really goes, you know Mm-hmm on the subject of social media One of the first videos I saw of you was the viral video from this year's Olympics Where you you know, hiding on in the heptathlon and I just couldn't help but feel so much

in the heptathlon and I just couldn't help but feel so much, like yeah, just sympathy for you, like in that moment of like, man, she's clearly trained her whole life for this moment and like once it's so bad, what was going through your mind in that moment? So, high jump is my best event and that's like my baby event. I love that event, that event has never steered me wrong.

It's always where I get all my points and I've never know how I did and I cleared that bar I've been clearing that bar since high school So a lot of people were telling me like why didn't you come in earlier? But what they don't understand is high jumping when you land on your joints You're putting 700 times your body weight of force onto your joints when you take off in the high jump because you're running to a jump and you're stopping all your momentum going straight up over the bar. So you only have about like 8 to 10 jumps in you total. So you have to be really careful where you come in because if you come in too early by the time you get to a jump

that you're, you should be clearing you're early, by the time you get to a jump that you should be clearing, you're gonna be exhausted. So you have to be really, really choosy of when you come in. And so I came in at a very conservative height, and when I didn't clear all three of those bars, wherever the reason was, it was just like one of those things, chaotic timing, all that kind of stuff, I was just bewildered.

And I was looking at my coach because I had never no-hided in the high jump before. It was a brand new experience. And I was looking up with the Olympic rings everywhere and just in such shock, I couldn't believe it. Truly, I couldn't believe that I had done that. And in that moment, I thought like, remember how I told you it's hard to disassociate yourself

from what you're doing? Like this is who I am? Like the person who chokes at the Olympics? Like that's me? Like that didn't seem like me. And so that gave me like a lot of like shame and emotion and I wanted it so bad, and I worked so hard, and I actually thought, you made it all the way here

to do this, and there was just so many things, and I didn't realize that the camera was right here. Didn't even notice, and so when I saw the video, I was like, oh my gosh. Even I was a little bit like, whoa. I've never watched my heart break in front of my own eyes before Like I've never seen myself go through like all the stages of grief in one video And so yeah, it was it was like a seriously tough decision. I mean tough situation

And usually what happens in the high in in the Heptathlon if you know height and high jump Congratulations, you just took last place like point blank period the end you lost a thousand points. You're done over a thousand points you're done and so A lot of people will just drop out at that point. Like this was your first event This is second second second event of seven. And so yeah Congratulations Goodbye, you know kind of a thing but I also had a lot of thought processes of you know I had over 30 people that came to Paris to watch me and I don't think they came so that they could have this

pride of watching me win a medal like I think they came to watch me mm-hmm I think they came up to watch me do what I love right Like I think they came to watch me. I think they came to watch me do what I love, right? And I think they came to celebrate me being at the Olympics. And I did it for them. And then I thought about me, um, past Shari for the last year, like decade, two decades, working so hard to get to this moment. And then I did it for her, right? And I also did it for all the other athletes there were a lot of athletes from America actually that fouled their three of their jumps or fouled three of their throws some of them were Olympic champions and so they were heartbroken and I had an opportunity to chat to

them after I went home we had seven hour break before the the shot put and I had seven hours to sop my eyes out it was really really I came back you know you know how you feel after a good cry ready to do a heptap on yeah just ready ready to go oh my gosh and so but I was able to talk to like a few people that had done that and we were just sobbing together like crying crying crying and I thought to myself I wonder what those guys would give to be able to go back on the stage even if they were like you can't do a medal but please let me try again please let me try again and I had five more chances to try again and like when can you possibly say that if you if

you fall star or if you know hi or if you you're done you don't get to come back but I got I got to come back. That's so rare and as painful as it was because I was mourning at the same time, mourning all of the work that I had done. And I remember just I had my face in my pillow and I was just screaming I'm sorry over and over because it was just, it was actually really sad. Just I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And I was especially sorry to my past self for all the hard work I did and I felt like I messed it up

for her gosh but They're gonna be like why is this girl crying so much? There's actually people cry a lot during It's totally cool. It's totally cool. But like, I just felt so bad for her and I felt so sorry. But like, I also knew, you know, the pain that you feel right now, the grief that you're feeling, it will last forever

if you quit. But if you push through, especially if you push through this pain and you show up, so I showed up for the rest of the competition with the biggest smile on my face. And I didn't know how I was going to do it. When I was warming up, I like remember day two I went back and my makeup was fierce. I did like the heaviest fierce makeup you could. And then I started warming up and I started so... Oh no.

No. I'm going to destroy my life too though. could and then I started warming up and I started so... And then finally I like went to one of the coaches that was on the team and she's like you're gonna need to go to the bathroom because and it literally looked like a Halloween costume of someone crying like actually that's probably what I should be for Halloween I should be me at the Olympics in my uniform with like mascara running down her face because it was so bad because I couldn't have had more heavy makeup on and it was just all down my face and I was like, uh, this is not the version of the girl that I want to show up as on the track.

So I had to wipe off all my makeup and I was like, okay. Um, and uh, but I knew like you have to go, you have to go on and you have to I told the girls I said listen my score doesn't matter at this point. So I get to be the vibe Energy girl, so I was like my job is to make sure all of you PR So I was like trying to joke with all of them and I was like we got this and like really just cheering for everybody And like trying to like cheer for the crowd and trying to like be there for everybody there And I cuz I cuz I was like that's the best version of me at the end of the day and trying to cheer for the crowd and trying to be there for everybody there. Because I was like, that's the best version of me

at the end of the day. It's not even about the performance at this point, it's about just showing up and being the very, very best version of me. And I hope I can take that more into life too. I try to. Sports, it's crazy. Sometimes sports teach you so much about life, it's crazy.

What was something someone told you in that seven, you said seven hours after the second event, you know, you got to speak with other people that had been through something similar. Was there something that someone said that really helped you cope and helped you get through that really hard time? Do you know what?

I think if we're gonna, I'll be honest, I don't know if this is the most politically correct thing to say, but it was probably Misery Loves Company. It probably made me feel better that I wasn't alone. It made me feel less alone. Because we were crying together. Because it wasn't, it didn't, them doing it didn't make me feel better,

but I think we made each other feel better. That like, at least I wasn't the only person who had a traumatic thing and we can be a community together. You know, kind of a thing. And so I think it was more, I don't know if that's like, that's like it, I think that's probably the thing that helped the most is just like, you get me and like, I don't feel like I'm alone in this.

No, that's, that's so relatable. Like I, I feel the same way when I've had, yeah, I've never been through something like that, but when I've had hard times, I don't know, it feels good to talk to somebody else who's like really struggling and you're like, yeah, like my life sucks. Like your life sucks too. Like let's go. Yeah, it makes you feel like you're not crazy. Yeah.

You're like, oh, thank goodness. Like, okay, cool. I don't, I'm not like a complete failure. Like this is just a human thing that happens, you know? Yeah. Wouldn't it be so weird too for someone who hasn't experienced what you've gone through to try to come over and be like, hey, it's gonna be all. And it's like, you don't it be so weird too for someone who hasn't experienced what you've gone through Did you try to come over and be like hey? It's gonna be all it is like you don't even have any any clue what I'm going through right now

You have no idea just someone who's like literally in your same shoes that just that makes sense I think I opened the gate for my coach as well though because her first Olympics She's an Olympic heptathlete herself and her very first Olympics was which was I think when she was like 30 years old or something like that, she no-hided in the high jump. Oh. No. Same thing, same exact thing.

And crazy, like so crazy. And so she was the one talking to me in the clip and she was also looking at me and just, like, cause she told me, she's like of all the events that I couldn't have imagined that that would have happened to you you're so comfortable in the high jump well then she PR too well like not not like in the event but didn't you like PR right before that and I had I mean it was a decent race it wasn't a PR so I ran a 1317 which is a good race it's good but

my PR is 1295 so gotcha no I. No, I didn't PR, but yeah. Or maybe it was something in the past that you've done or like the Olympic trials, like you, you play second, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Had a great Olympic trials, but didn't even have the best Olympic trials. I had, I think I had three personal bests, which is always super great, but there, there were a couple of events that we were kind of like, Ooh, which is like exciting, right? Cause that means there's a lot of points left on the table. So we were looking for like way more for the Olympics. We were like, we can do this.

We're ready kind of a thing. And that's what makes it so because you're like, we're ready. We're ready. We're ready. I felt so peaceful. And then I just it felt like I choked. But I but like, I also think that, you know, looking back on it hindsight, I've decided to choose that my story needed to reach people. And that was the story that needed to be told because sometimes it's bigger than me. And it wasn't about like my vanity of, I'll look at my medal, which would have been nice.

I wish I would have. But sometimes it's the story of resilience and sometimes it's a story of putting yourself your best foot forward and Yeah, you know who got me through it is Taylor Swift because that's the did you guys see the the Video with the song behind it you believe while I was warming up I was listening to that song like this is and I remember being like this is the song that we're gonna tell this story with because like this is literally the song that got me through it like I literally it was the only thing that made me stop crying yeah truly so Taylor she watches our thank you yeah I think she I think she yeah she definitely for sure I can

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I'm in the omelet game. I can't remember who said it, but I heard somebody say once, you have to be relevant in order for me to talk about you because I'm in the omelet game. I eat omelets once they're cooked. I'm not in the egg cracking game or something like that. And that is kind of like how sports are.

Like if you're relevant, people wanna talk to you. And if you're not winning, like you go ghost. And so I think because that's the reality and you don't know if you're gonna be relevant or not, you have to show up as the best version of yourself throughout it because the internal value is what's gonna keep you going because the external value is it's a light switch. because the external value is, it's a light switch.

It's either there or it's not there and you can't control it. And so the best thing that you can do is just show up as your best self in other ways. If you focus on the external value, you're in trouble because it's so fleeting. And you guys probably do that same thing. Like you have to find a way that,

like if something doesn't go viral or something doesn't do well or it's not its best thing, it's like, you guys still have to figure out how to find value. You can't put value on that, even though you want, it's so easy to get there. And with sports that are in the Olympics, it seems like it's in so many categories. It's such a small difference that makes,

like a small difference in the height of your jump, tiny little bit, clearing that, whatever height that was, could have made such a, it's almost like the comparison doesn't even quite add up. Butterfly effect. It could have changed the whole thing. That's wild. That's the craziest thing to me too,

because all the athletes are so talented. So talented. You're with the best, the best, the best in the world. Like people are out here speaking different languages. You probably are like, I don't even know what this dude's saying or this chick's saying next to me. But so yeah, like all your scores are coming in so close, like in the grand scheme of things, right?

It's not like when you're running track in middle school and one kid smokes everybody else by like a minute. It doesn't work that way in the Olympics. Like everyone's coming in within like a millisecond of each other. And that's why we take everything so seriously because we're trying to go for that 1%. How can I get 1% better? Because 1% can mean you going here or here.

That's ridiculous. Yeah, isn't that crazy? Obviously, yeah, you're competing at the Olympics. Not everyone speaks English. So did you have any fun ways of communicating with people that you both didn't speak the same language, but you could still maybe be friends and find other ways to communicate?

I don't know. So I'm really good friends with all the hips athletes. And so I think that's the thing is I think a lot of, because English is such a universal language, a lot of people do speak English, which is nice. I wish I spoke more languages, so badly. Oh, that would've been, what a cool party trick that would be. It'd be so amazing.

But I think when there is a language barrier, I think that's why athletes do the pins. And we trade pins with each other because it's such an easy way to be able to connect with each other and be like, oh pins, let's switch and then yay and you know what I mean all that kind of stuff so that's I think that's why they started doing pins in the first place it's just such a good icebreaker to be able to like connect through culture. Were there any uh you know athletes from a certain country that you really connected with? I mean all of the heps like uh so uh KJT she's a heptathlete and actually I used to idolize her

She's she's been like on top forever and she's just like I love her so much. But the first time that I ever Met her was in 2019 and I was brand new on like the world stage Scene that was the first year made world championships and there's a big meet in Austria for heptathletes. It's like crazy like heptathletes are like famous there and nobody knows about it. It's really cool but like the stadium is like full and it's crazy. It's really really cool. So it was my first time being able to go there and I see her and I've loved her forever. So I was like I'm gonna go be like super cash. You know when you like want to be like really cash and super cool, calm, collected you like want to be like really cash Yeah, and super cool calm collected

Unfortunately, that's not my strong suit naturally, but I was like I got this I got this theater kid put it on and I go up to her and I sit down and she sees me and she like gives Me like, you know, like oh this girl's coming up to talk to me and I go I love you Just like that. So intimate. Look her in her eyes. And she was like, oh. And it was so embarrassing. And I was like how, I literally looked up to her and what I was gonna say was, oh my gosh,

my name's Shari, I'm a big fan, you're amazing, I'm so excited to compete with you. And I went up to her and I just was like, I love you. First thing I ever said to her. But the thing that's so crazy is like over, I think like over that time, like I've always like joked about it and I'm like, yeah, like, oh, we're in love.

Like I always like say that like to her and like all of that kind of stuff, but it translated into like such a fun, like every time we see each other, we're so excited to see each other. And she's like a wonderful friend, she's a wonderful person and amazing competitor. She ended up taking silver at the Olympics and she's like a wonderful friend, she's a wonderful person and amazing competitor. She ended up taking silver at the Olympics, she's incredible.

But so yeah, I just every time I get, oh actually it's funny because we have this like pink top, that's like a USA top and she was just like, oh Shari, like I love that top, can we switch jerseys? And I started taking off my shirt in the middle of the street to be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, she's like, not right now. Like no, not right now. I was like, you can literally have every single thing I'm wearing. What do you need? What do you need? What do you need? It's yours. So, but then I kept being like, Hey, like I have your top and I never gave it to her. So I need to ship it to her still. So it's on its way. It's

on its way. Now that the Olympics are over, what, what does it look like? Yeah. Like what does your life look like? Are you eating chocolate muffins now? Do you get to do things differently because you're not as focused on training? Yeah, the fun part about off season as an athlete is that's your time to be able to just, I can do other sports now just for fun.

You know, and I can do whatever I want. I can eat whatever I want. I can eat whatever I want. I can travel more. I can like go hang out with my family and like be like, wow, we get to see each other. So it's really fun. I mean, this is just kind of like our time. Is there a certain sport that you like to play

just for fun? So I used to think that I originally wanted to be an Olympian in volleyball, but then I stopped growing. One of my brothers is 6'5", and one of my sisters is 6'1". originally wanted to be an Olympian in volleyball, but then I stopped growing. One of my brothers is 6'5", and one of my sisters is 6'1", and I am 5'6". And I was like, how dare you? How dare you bowl?

My goodness. It's crazy. So I stopped growing. Yeah. I'm like, this isn't fair. I'm 5'2". It's okay. So I had to, now I had to run.

I was like, I have to run now because I can't do I can't be a volleyball player Speaking of volleyball players that that was a group of people that they stand out you knew instantly somebody who's a volleyball player because there's The there's a 6-8 volleyball player what female female volleyball player Wow they just stand out so much It's crazy like the the they're long and they're powerful and they're so cool. That's amazing. I was never going to be a volleyball player. And what's your go-to dessert now that you don't have to be as strict with your diet? Probably ice cream for sure.

Were you not eating any ice cream at all before? None. Any dessert at all? No. No soda, bread, pasta for a year. What about like a diet soda? Would you do a diet soda? No. What?

What about like a poppy? You know, they only have like two grams of sugar. Would you drink one of those? I think it has like- I would do like a bubbly. Okay. Well, that's not sweet though. That's just like a sparkling- Yeah, I know. It's just, yeah, it's,

but the thing is, is like you drink enough of them and you're kind of like, oh, this tastes like 7Up. It's the same. Okay, like my protein powder is really sweet. I like, I do vanilla post-workout protein shakes and it has, I think, sucralose in it. Like would you eat something like that? So I have like a carb drink that I drink

that's like a chocolate flavored, but it also like, it's like, it's definitely like a health shake. Like you can taste it and you're like, oh, this kind of tastes like you, like it's thick. You know what I mean? But I like it's definitely like a health shake like you can taste it and you're like, oh this kind of tastes like you Like it's it's thick, you know, but I like it like because it is a little still chocolatey But it's like it's also you look at it. It's insane for you. It's so good for you. So it's like yeah works Yeah, that's hardcore. That's right. But I think the thing about it is like for me is when something's not an option

Then it's easy to choose. Yeah when it's not even on the table that that's what makes option then it's easy to choose. Yeah. When it's not even on the table that that's what makes it if it's never in your pantry it's never an option for you like you never have to make you never have to have a little power because it's never an option. So now when it is an option fail. If I had it in my house even if I was like I'm training for the Olympics and it and there was a thing and chocolate chips in my I would they would Be gone Completely gone. That's how I am. That's why my kryptonite is when Abby makes chocolate chip cookies

They're gone within a day. Yeah, and it's because I ate every single one of them. Yeah That's the vibe. I'm on for sure like it fits in my house And that's the thing is like I also can't I can't I can't just like have one like that's the thing is like, I also can't, I can't, I can't just like have one. Like that's not fun. I need six, team. Also, you're married. You got married a couple of years ago. Yeah, four years ago. How is that like, like balancing marriage

and you know, being so committed to this sport? Yeah, so the thing that's super cool about CJ is we met in college and he was a track athlete. So he's been with me my like my whole professional career and like most of my track career in general and so we've been together for 14 years and he's been here throughout all of it and the great thing is having somebody who gets it because I think it'd be really hard to have all of that sacrifice and it you didn't have

somebody who knew so like not only does he know like what it takes because he did it himself, but he also gets the sport. So like he knows what I need to go in every single event. He knows like, I remember he was telling me a story about he was talking to my family and his family during the Olympic trials for the 1500, oh my goodness, thank goodness we're not in the 1500, for the 800, which is the last race and you have to get I had to

Get stay within a certain amount of time for The other girls in order to go to the Olympics. So he was telling them she needs to hit this split She needs to run this fast She needs to stay this far and he knew everything and that's kind of just like the way it's been He's as invested in this as I am and so the balance is I think in the balance is it's kind of just like the way it's been. He's as invested in this as I am. And so the balances, I think in the balances, it's one of those things it's easy because he's integrated in it with me. Like this is a team effort.

Like in 2021, I didn't think I was gonna keep going when I didn't make the team. And what CJ and I do every year is we have our off season and then we get a little family meeting together and we decide together on if we're going to continue to go. And when we decide that we're continuing, we go all in. And so, I mean, he's as much a part of this entire operation as I am. So it's it's the balancing hasn't been hard because we're both in it together for sure. I saw people did an article about your wedding in 2020.

Was that decision kind of like, okay, I guess the Olympics are canceled, so let's get married. 100%. But you guys have to also know that we had been engaged for three years at that time. Wow. Because we were planning on getting married

the year after the Olympics so that we could focus. And we were gonna, in 2020, that was gonna be my last year, go to the Olympics and on the Olympics so that we could we would focus like and we were gonna you know in 2020 that was gonna be my last year go to the Olympics and on the Olympics and then we would get married the next year and so that was kind of we were like yeah let's do it it'll be you know it'll be a it'll be like a longer engagement but it'll be worth it and like I said we make all these decisions together and so when it got postponed we were like do we want to wait two more years to get married? Yeah. And we were like we don't have anything else to do so we planned a wedding in three months. That's awesome. Yeah and we also wanted to keep it small and so we were like this is perfect

opportunity to be like oh dang covid because I have five I'm the youngest of five kids and he has there's four kids in his family so just our immediate family what's gonna be big so we were like oh this is a great opportunity to be able to keep it small intimate and then just like just like get it done so it was great being a female Olympian mm-hmm like how has that affected like your family planning like that's a really good question I'm curious yeah I the thing is is that's another thing that we talk about all the time is, all right, where are we in terms of like having kids in terms of like our timeline and where we want to be? Where do we want to live? Where do we want to be? Do we want to be closer to food? Do we need to be closer to family?

Like we right now we're renting in San Diego. We don't want to be renting, right? And so like having all those conversations, I mean, was like really really big for us too, but it does like it postpones it a lot. And a lot of people have asked me, you know, like, do we want to go, are you going to go until 2028? And I'm like, I'll be 37. And the thing about it is like, it's not, there's a lot of moms who crush it at the Olympics, but usually what they're doing is having their babies earlier so they're bouncing back and then they have a longer period of time to like get back into it but I mean having a baby you know at 30 let's say

34 and then and then being like let me see if I can get back into it in a hip tathlon at that age I think could be like hard and so now I mean you know it's it's a tougher decision and and so we're we're always like okay do we want kids and if we do we probably need to start making these decisions so hmm when did you guys how old were you when you had your first kids so yeah we were crazy we had our first when we were 23 yeah Abby was 23 what's crazy is so my grandma had my mom when I think she was 20 or 21

And then she also had my uncle when she was 40. So hey you got time, you know, you like you She was are you sure she was 42? I thought she was just 40 Anyway, I mean I'm from Idaho went to school in Utah. So I get it like all of my friends have like teenagers Oh my goodness, like truly like they all had their kids when they were 20, 21 so it's like I get it like it's very normal in like where I like I went to school and everything so for me it's like oh that's you know you waited you know what I mean? Yeah truly I know. It's a crazy it's like oh no like that's perfect like you that's like the perfect time. The thing that's nice is like you give up one for the other so like you guys you guys decided to be parents in your 20s

But then you're gonna have when you're older you're gonna have your freedom You know and like for me it's gonna be the opposite like I had my 20s But like now like when when we have kids we're gonna be like we're gonna be like 50 and we're gonna still have kids in The house so it's like you give like you know what I mean be I think being young parents is kind of a vibe So kids are something you want down the line. Yeah, yeah, I think, I mean I think so. I think it's a decision that we'll make together, but I think that we go back and forth.

We're ping ponging it all the time, you know? Especially I think on social media, like there's a lot of people who are like, don't have kids. Don't do it. And I'm always like, I'm always like, ah, don't do it, okay. It's so hard because it's like your career, like being the female, like, and your career is your sport. And it's like, you really have to kind of choose with

like your sport being at that level. Yeah. Pros and cons, kids. Oh my gosh. At the best thing in the world. Yeah, it's been incredibly rewarding. But I always say this, I didn't have any other ambition in my life.

So. That was like, that was your thing. No, I'm just serious. Like, I was like, well, I didn't have any other ambition in my life. So that was your thing. No, I'm just serious. I was like, well, I guess we're done here. It is really cool to have a little mini version of yourself and then you just get to love on them and you just, I don't know. People describe having kids as your heart being outside of your body. It truly is like that. I didn't have career ambitions though.

Talk about anxiety with having kids. Because I feel like that's something like me worrying about them all the time. That's something that I'm like, I stress about. It's kind of one of those things where when you have your first, you're freaking out about everything. But I've, you know, have you heard those jokes about parents that have like seven kids and if you hear a loud noise, like they don't even blink an eye because they're just like so used to everything.

I will say, someone fell, hope it wasn't too bad. Yeah, literally that was Augie. He fell off the couch yesterday. I was like, oh, it sounds like a bowling ball. It's just on his head. It truly is that way though. He didn't cry. We were paranoid. I would panic in the middle of the night and get up to make sure Griffin was still breathing at night just because you're like, what if he just decided to stop breathing or something in the middle of the night? Sure. But it's like, he knows how to breathe. He's fine. But you just have all're like, what if he just like, decided to stop breathing or something in the middle of the night? But it's like, he knows how to breathe, he's fine. But you just have all those worries, especially driving home from the hospital

when you first have your baby. So that happens. But yeah, you start to chill out, you start to realize like, okay. I don't know, it's also kind of just like your natural, if you're more naturally anxious person, then it's probably gonna translate into parenting to some extent, but I will say,

I feel like I've talked to a lot of other moms, and for me personally, when I became a mom, a confidence came over me that it's, no one can crack that, I guess. It's like, oh, I'm the parent. Did you get anxious for labor and stuff? Not really. No?

Well, I feel like everyone has their own coping mechanisms for me. I was like, I wanna go in completely dumb. Like I don't wanna know about anything that can happen. Please nobody tell me anything. I don't wanna see anything. I don't wanna know. Did you go natural or did you get an epidural?

I got an epidural. Do you have any issues post? No. With like back pain or anything like that? No. Oh, that's good. Nothing, honestly the epidural was freaking amazing. I was in do so. I was

having like really strong contractions back to back for like I waited like seven hours before I got the ebiterol. How long did I go? No I went overnight. Yeah. I went like 16 hours. You went a long time. Oh wow. Yeah no. Was it like a decision at the time you were like alright. I knew I was gonna get one the whole time Okay, I wasn't like trying you were just you were just like waiting until the moment I'm gonna wait till it hurts really bad and then it did I'm the thing is is I the thing I can't I can't even try to like tap into like an empathetic thought process of how Bad it would hurt because I know it wouldn't even do it justice. I mean

Yes, but also like I don't even remember. Really? I mean that's nice. I have no frame of reference for what that was like. My issue is like the 800 pain like I remember. Maybe it was worse. Well I actually have a friend who she is crazy because she was just like listen you're never gonna be anxious again when you retire because I when I had my baby didn't even hurt and I was like okay and she's a MD and she's like when I took my boards she's like everybody was just nervous she's like I was like I'm fine I don't have to do an 800 I like at the end of it and I don't have it and I was like I feel like I that makes me feel really good but I feel like I don't have it. And I was like, I feel like that makes me feel really good.

But I feel like I don't wanna know that because there's gonna be the moment where you're like, oh yeah, so I'm not gonna worry. And then I'm like freaking out the whole time and I'm like, oh no, it was me, it was me. She might just be a, she just might be like another level. No, you are another level, you are, you have it in you. She was pretty incredible, so.

Once you've done that level, I feel like you're like, oh. I feel like you could do anything. I'm a textbook over thinker though. If you're an Olympic athlete, there's nothing you can't do, okay? Seriously. That's insane. Except you will not be getting 10 hours of sleep. Yeah, that's actually the 10 hours of sleep thing.

You'll have to throw that out of the window. I'm going to start training myself for like, okay, waking up seven hours. Okay, so waking up for six hours. He wakes you up every two hours. Yeah, just set my alarm and make it like a baby cry. Or you could just have CJ wake up with the baby to do the feedings in the night. That's what I did. Now, Abby still had to wake up to pump, but I know people that just slept through.

I tried to get Abby to do that, but she was like, I don't want my milk supply to go down. Sure. Fair enough. Yeah. No, that makes sense. The thing is, I have heard people who were like, hey, my husband's a night owl and I'm a morning person. So I go to sleep and then he stays up and then it... I mean, that's a really good idea.

Hey, you guys are already a team. You can make up. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that's what's nice. So he's my only real boyfriend and I'm his only real that's what's nice like so he's my like only like real boyfriend And I'm his only like real girlfriend. That's how you guys were too Yeah, so it's like it is one of those things where I feel like we're like a tree that like grew together

Exactly, you know what I mean? And so even like there's just so many things people were always like oh, yeah this and that and we're Just like we just like don't have those issues because we're seared together. You became adults together. Yeah, exactly. That kind of happened. Yeah, we're just seared together. We've been together, I think, not quite more than we haven't been together with our lives. It's not quite there yet. That's so crazy to think about.

We've just been together for a long time. We're just a unit at this point. Yeah, exactly. It's so nice to have a partner. I feel like, yeah. You guys probably feel the exact same point. Yeah, exactly. It's so nice to have a partner. I feel like, yeah. You guys probably feel the exact same way. Oh, totally. Yeah.

I know every thought he's thinking at any given time. Well, Chari, I feel so inspired by you. I mean, hearing about all your accomplishments just blows my mind. I cannot believe that you've been able to do everything that you've been able to do in your life. So I'm going to go probably start trying to run now or something but where can people like connect with you on social media where can people find you um to yeah get to know you more all the social medias like uh instagram tiktok if you're if you're like a facebooker this is so fun i'm so glad we're

able to make this happen thank you for coming out out. I know, yeah, it was really fun. It was really fun. Yeah, when you guys move to Arizona, we'll definitely have to hang. Yeah, yeah, there you go. This is why, oh yeah, it's not my brother. We won't move there for him. We'll move here for you guys. Thank you. Yeah.

No, not for you. Oh my goodness. And in three, two, one. Peace out dudes. Peace out dudes.