The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby - Dani Austin on Losing Her Hair, Getting Pregnant by Surprise & Starting a $40M/yr Company with Her Husband

Episode Date: March 6, 2024

In this episode, we were joined by Dani Austin and her husband Jordan Ramirez. Dani opened up about her surprise pregnancy, her struggle with hair loss, and her journey of wearing wigs, which ultimately inspired the creation of their company, Divi. Their business achieved remarkable success, earning over $40 million in revenue in its first year. This episode was sponsored by Daily Harvest, Athena Club & Curology. Daily Harvest: For a limited time only go to https://dailyharvest.com/unplanned to get $30 off your first box plus free shipping. Athena Club: Head over to https://AthenaClub.com to try their award-winning razor and body products and get 20% off your purchase with code UNPLANNED at checkout. Curology: For a limited time get your first Curology skincare box for $5 when you go to https://Curology.com/UNPLANNED Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Jordan was like I don't understand why this is a big deal the Kardashians wear wigs. Why can't you wear it? You're on Forbes 30 under 30 outside looking in this couple has this extremely successful business their marriage looks good This is perfection right were you the happiest you ever were in that moment the guy that was leaving our room He opened up our closet saw the wig hanging there Rented out of a room like he thought it was a dead body after how much pain you went through I was like I can't ask you to do that. I was like it's on me. I have to be mentally strong I have to just focus and make sure that I don't Are you in the Illuminati?

I can't tell you. We sat down with Danny Austin who started wearing wigs in her 20s after experiencing rapid hair loss. She documented her journey on Instagram and in 2021 started Divvy, a haircare brand that made over 40 million dollars in just the first year. That same year, her and her husband Jordan got pregnant by surprise and just like us became parents to two under two. We flew all the way to Dallas, Texas for this interview so if you could please consider subscribing that would really mean a lot. I kind of wanted to open up with a juicy question, is that okay?

Yes. No, no, no. Did you take your husband's last name? She's a feminist through and through Guys have actually done that though. Yeah, for sure. It's a very like modern day thing, but no I didn't no way But I have something even juicier to tell you wait what let me tell you this So I actually was a Ramirez before. So my family are all Ramirezs. We are not related. We have checked. It's like the name Smith, okay? So my mom is Anna Marie Ramirez. All my

cousins all are Ramirezs. when Jordan Facebook messaged me when we first met, Jordan Ramirez, I thought he was a distant cousin. I thought he was a distant cousin. And I was like, and to be fair, like all of my, my family, they're all Hispanic. And I was like, Oh my gosh. And so when I go to San Antonio, they're always like, Oh my gosh, my little white kid, you know, and they pinched my cheeks. Like my abuela, she's always like, oh my gosh, my little white kid, you know, and they pinched my cheeks like my She's always like, oh my gosh. So I thought

another one like me in the family that I can relate to and so Because he didn't look Hispanic either. Yeah, I always got me growing up because like my last name's Ramirez But like all the Hispanic kids at our school would just like make fun of you go here They'd be like Jordan Ramirez and I'd be like here They're like, what? They're just like, hated me. So I did not. And I will say, I also started my YouTube channel as Danny Austin, like so long ago before we met.

And like the LLC and all the things were already Danny Austin. It was like so much work to change it. And I don't have to lie, like I'm obsessed with the last name Austin. Like it's such a good last name. That was like, you know, I'm already kind of a Ramirez at heart, I don't want to lie, like I'm obsessed with the last name Austin, like it's such a good last name. It's strong. But I was like, you know, I'm already kind of a Ramirez at heart, I don't really need a change.

But on your- Our kids are Ramirez's. And on your Instagram, you're Danny Austin Ramirez now, aren't you? No, I'm not. No, you are. Okay, it's in my bio, but not my actual name. I've never changed it.

Yeah, yeah. Danny Austin is a strong name. It's pretty cool. Okay, I have another curveball. My real name is not Danny. My real name's Keely. I knew this. Are you kidding?

Keely Danielle O'Rourke Merritt. I mean, sorry, Keely Danielle Austin. So you have your middle name. I forgot about that. I go with my middle name. It's a nickname of my middle name. Which Keely's a really strong name. Keely, I really like that.

I think you should bring that back when you get off the internet. I was named after Pierce Brosnan's wife, Keely Shaysmith. She used to do the news and my mom was obsessed with her. Pierce Brosnan was James Bond, right? Yeah, they were in a live. And so anyway, I was named after his wife, Keeley Shaysmith. What if, as an Ape? Well you have so many curve balls.

Yeah. Also can we talk for a second about how Danny wore the colors of y'all's podcast for this episode? It was unplanned. Can we just give a round of applause? That's how much she supported this podcast episode. Wait, did you actually do that? Not on purpose?

No, it was just funny. No, it was on purpose. Love it. That's wonderful. It's the first time she's ever worn that. Did you also get made fun of for being like the only white looking kid? No, because I speak Spanish.

So I felt like I could help, like I held my own. And another fun fact, like all my Hispanic cousins don't speak Spanish because When they came over like when they moved to San Antonio They really wanted to like immerse in like the American culture. So a lot of my my aunt and uncle She's just like she's like this girl But no like a lot of my my aunt and uncle's didn't teach their kids Spanish But my mom was like the only one one that was very adamant about it.

And so, yeah. Yeah, so my, and my grandpa moved during the Great Depression, he moved from basically Mexico to an all German community in Illinois. Moni, small German community in Illinois, it was, since it was all German, it was very racist. And they didn't want him in there. And then there was one family, the Deerx family,

which is my grandma, who brought my grandfather in and it just like the language never passed down to his kids because all my dad and his brothers got bullied for being Ramirez in Illinois. That's so sad. I'm actually really passionate too about our kids learning Spanish. Like, because I really like that side of my family.

I really value it. And so that was something that I was really hoping. So our kids are both in like a Spanish immersion program here. So basically in the family, I will be the only one who doesn't speak Spanish. How do you feel about her not taking your last name? Was that ever a conversation that you guys had? I think it was a conversation,

but I don't really take offense to it. I think it was a lot of paperwork, and that's kind of how I saw it. I knew that there was never a, oh, you don't appreciate that, or you don't respect me as the provider. It was just never that. It was like, oh, you have this whole internet thing,

and I wasn't a part of that. And so it's like, yeah, just keep it as that. It was like, oh, you have this whole internet thing and I wasn't a part of that. And so it's like, yeah, just keep it as that. Like that's what people know you as. And so I just don't think it was like that deep. I identify as a Ramirez at heart. Yeah. Yeah. That's an interesting.

Would you ever go by Keely Ramirez? Yeah, there it goes. That's totally bad. That's a good, you'll never find me again. You have to look at the keylet. She comes back under keylet remit. So it's funny, when I went to college, I was like, I'm going to go by Keylet, because it's cool.

I want to change my name. So I introduced myself to all of the guys that I met as Keylet. So the only people that know me as Keylet are guys that I barely know that I met my freshman year of college. Like I'll see them out in Dallas and be like, oh Keely. And I'm like, yeah, that means I really don't know him. Yeah.

That's awesome. Not a friend. Wait, how did you, you've met, you said Facebook? Yeah, so I was like running the marketing for this tech company at the time. And, you know, they gave me a budget to shoot this commercial, which I don't know why they did that because I was like 21 or 22.

And I hadn't known about Danny because she was creating YouTube videos very early on. The influencer thing was not around. And she did a book review over this book called The Meaning of Marriage by Tim Keller. So he's like a New York pastor. I think he passed away, but I saw that video and I was like, this girl is cute

and she like loves Jesus and she like is like understands the meaning of marriage like very early on in college. And I was like, oh, I want to meet her. So I had a video shoot that planned with like a bunch of UT football players. And I was like, hey, do you want to like be our actress for the day? You know, like there'll of UT football players and I was like, hey, do you wanna like be our actress for the day?

You know, like there'll be UT football players there. And she came and at the time I had a six week old mini golden retriever puppy. And so I brought my puppy onto the set. I was kind of the boss on the set and I met Danny and it was great. Well, let me tell you, there were also no UT football players. No, there were.

There were not any there. A different call time. And that's what I was told. Because that's why I was going. And also, I was doing YouTube at the time. And this was back in the day when you couldn't even find a videographer. People weren't doing that.

And he told me that I could have all the footage and like use it on my YouTube channel and they were filming with like a red camera, like this really nice camera. And so I was like, okay, if I can get the footage for free, like I'll show up. And so anyway, showed up, fell in love with this dog, Hazel. The other kind of like funny, quick part of the story

is that the startup I was working for was an app back in like 2014 when apps were cool. And what we were doing was like, we were aggregating all the transportation options in a city into one app. So everyone in the company sold their cars. And the whole concept was like, we need to be able to get around Austin, Texas

with just this app. So like bike share, rental car services, et cetera. And so on our first day, we were supposed to go to San Antonio, which is also a bold move. That's like a two hour drive. It's like, I don't know her. We're gonna talk for two hours.

And I pick her up in this Audi. And so she like- Well, like all the girls, I'm living with like five girls and I'm going on date. They're all helping me get ready. And he rolls up and we all peeked through our heads through the window. And this is like brand new shiny Audi.

I'm like, dang, I hit the jackpot. Like, yes. And so I'm so excited. We had this amazing date. He's also downplaying it. He was the chief marketing officer for this tech company. And at this part, it was a work party that he took me to. And all these grown men that worked underneath him

were coming up to me with their wives, being like, Danny, Jordan single handedly saved this company like we had we were gonna you know sell our homes I didn't plan like we would have to move and I'm like oh my gosh like this guy is like not only that he's an amazing person he's also a couple years like I'm still in college. He's a couple years graduated Like this this this event goes like in my head. I'm like, I'm like, this is going amazing and I didn't plan any of this We're leaving the date and it's at this hotel and you know the lobby of this hotel has this like really big grand piano And there's a do not play like do not touch sign Okay, and Jordan's like we're heading out to the car. I'm like this date's already amazing

He's like hold on a second. I mean like goes over to like throws a sign off and he's like Let me tell you how it was a total fraud or genius. You can decide. I knew one song on the piano and it was a really hard song but I only know one and I didn't clarify to Danny. I only know this one song but I just sit down and I play and she's like, he's like Beethoven. Oh my gosh.

I'm impressed. If she asked me to play another song, I would have nothing. And so I was just like, okay, that's the song. I'll walk away. And the other funny part about it is that Audi that I picked her up in was through a service called Zipcar which is owned by Hertz and it was like through my app. And so on our second date, when I go pick her up,

I pick her up in this thing called Car2Go that's in major cities and it's like the little mini clown cars. And there were often times on our date where I had to be like, hey, you have a car, like could you pick me up? And it was all because none of us had cars. And so- So I didn't find out he didn't own a car for like months. Like I had no idea.

I was like, hey, should we buy this car? Yeah, I just thought he was, cause he always had like some excuse. Like yeah, like I'm just gonna, this was closer, like cart of gold or whatever, zip cart. And so yeah, but you know, out wasn't in it for those things Anyway, yeah exactly exactly that's sweet. Yeah, well set up How long did it take you to open up about your hair loss because that's how I first heard about you?

Yeah, Abby was like there's this girl on Instagram and she's like it's so sad like she's losing her hair and it's just I Really feel for her Yeah, that's my first heard about you So did that was that happening before you guys met or was that like once you were a mom? So that started happening when I started losing my hair in college mainly from stress because I was doing YouTube But I was also trying to apply to physical therapy school, which you have to have like a pretty good GPA I had some really like I was in these science classes that I was just not smart enough for. And I'm also pretty much like a full-time YouTuber at this point.

This was the only years of my life that I had a manager to, so I had a lot of content I had to account for. And so it was really stressed. So I put in my hair, ended up getting like hair extensions to cover it up, which made it worse, would bleach the crop out of my hair to make it worse. So through like all of our dating, like I'm basically just covering up my hair loss

with like extensions and stuff. But then we get married and I can't even wear extensions because it's so bad. And so there's one morning, I wake up with Jordan and I'm like, I can't leave the house. Like I'm so embarrassed. Like I didn't even feel feminine with him. Like I just felt like, I don't know.

And so Jordan was like, I don't understand why this is a big deal. Like the Kardashians wear wigs, why can't you wear a wig? And I'm like, babe, because we live in Dallas, Texas, like where am I gonna get a wig from? And there just weren't a lot of people like in my circles Wearing wigs, you know So he flew me to well actually the first time that we went and shop for a wig

He put in like in his GPS like week shop We went to like a costume store where all the ways are like plastic like ten dollars neon green on green I walk in I'm like that was not great I'm like, this is just not it. So we ended up flying. I don't know if y'all know who Jeffree Star is. Yeah. I was like, yeah. And you know, it's funny, like, I'm not even like a huge Jeffree Star fan, but like, when

I thought of Wigs, I would just think of him. And so I started watching like his YouTube videos. And the first video that I saw was him going to a wig shop. And I saw the logo on the outside. And so I just Googled it and Jordan flew me to LA and we got my first wig. We named her Kim. And I wore that. We named her Kim after Kim Kardashian.

That's so funny. She's great. That's not celebrity crush. Kim Kardashian? Yeah, mine too. Oh my gosh. And so, that's kind of yours too. Abby says, Michael be Jordan.

We just say this to each other. It's funny because you guys both just subscribe to very different people. Yeah. To one another. I'm like, are you sure you guys love each other? That is very different. That is funny.

Yeah, so I started with, you know, I actually wore that wig for a month and didn't tell anyone besides Jordan. We actually went on a trip with my family and the goal was like, hey, let's see if they say anything and they were like, dang, you get a haircut? You know, like, they didn't know. Because like, nowadays you get like such real ones.

Yeah. So I was still posting like every day online and no one knew. But I knew that I, like at some point wanted to share with my audience. So a month later I did and was really scared because this was also the era online. We're like, I don't know if you remember. Everyone was taking like perfect photos.

It was like the era of like the coffee with the latte and the hair and everything. And so my next photo, I was like, took my wig off, was like bald and was just kind of like, I don't know, was transparent about it. And a lot of it was crazy. I feel like I discovered this like hidden epidemic of women also going through hair loss because I think like men were somewhat talking about it, not that it's any easier for men, but there was like men talked about it more than females, I feel like. And so for that

year, I focused on growing my hair back and kind of took people through my like wig journey And so I ended up like having a lot of fun with it actually Was that pretty scary though? Yeah, I mean I'm also not like that good at hair like so sometimes like I put my wig on and like I leave the house And it's like totally crooked. I'm like I need help But yeah, it was scary because it just, it's whenever you're so like insecure about something and then not everybody else knows that you're insecure, it just like highlights it so much more. But I do feel like that gave me a lot of opportunity to like find heart

in my content and find like heart in what I was doing because then I would like, I would meet people that were like, we're wearing wigs out in public too and I felt so connected to them and I'm like, oh my gosh, it's not that bad. Like we all have each other and so, it was actually really special. I also loved it. I mean like every day she'd walk out and I'd be like, who do we get today?

Cause like she had this bangs like wig that we named Heidi. And dude, I've tried to get Heidi to come back for years. I'm like Heidi doesn't live here anymore. Like she tried to get Heidi to come back for years. I'm like, Heidi doesn't live here anymore. Like she tried to get rid of her wigs and I was like, let's keep Heidi just in case. Heidi has bangs, he likes the bangs. I know how you feel though,

because Abby when she chopped off her hair like dress, she took off like what, 10 inches or something? Yeah, I'm one of those people that like, I don't really get haircuts off, but when I go, I'm gonna chop it like this foot. And I was like, it was like an alter ego, like a new version of herself. I when I go I'm gonna chop it like yeah and I was like it's like it was like an alter ego like a new version of herself I'm like you're really hot yeah I've never seen this side of you this kind of makes me think back to the question you guys asked us on our

podcast ask it I'll go there role play with the way. No, listen, we just went to we just went to Today and I swear I was like, babe, will you bring Heidi? She didn't to be clear. She didn't but I was like, no the reason I don't travel with my wigs anymore It's like went on a cruise and I have a wig hanger So like because you don't want to just like lay your wigs. These wigs are expensive. They're like really nice. How much are you talking? Oh, like upwards over a thousand dollars.

Yeah. Oh, frick. Oh yeah. I've tried on a wig that was $10,000. I've tried on it. $10,000 for a wig. What's the most expensive one you've ever bought? Okay, so probably the most expensive one I ever bought was like 1200.

That was probably my first one. But honestly, I started sharing it. It was John Renau. And then there was a Folia one. And I started sharing them so much that their sales skyrocketed. And then they just started sending me all these wigs. I was like on a wig map.

So you just get hair in the mail. I would just get hair all the time. And I'm like, stop. I'm on a wig map. But it was also kind of fun because I could do these wig triumphs and help people all over the country that needed different colors or styles and stuff. And so anyway, the reason I don't travel with them anymore

is because I went on a cruise, and there was a walking into our room. And the guy that was cleaning our room, sprinted out of our room, was literally thought that he had seen a dead body. He opened up our closet and saw the wig hanging there and thought it was a dead body. He thought it was a person.

She would also have this like, like a man. Like, the wig is hanging like, you know, where the clothes hang. Oh, for real. So it looks like a head. Oh, gosh. It was like kind of disturbing. And these wigs are like real human hair too. Oh, really? So like, but they. And these wigs are like real human hair too. Oh really?

It's real stuff. But they do have pretty good synthetic ones these days, but yeah, so they can be pretty freaky. Dang, how did that hair loss affect you Jordan? Cause I'm sure you're going through this together as a couple and you just, you want your wife to be happy and feel confident. What was that like from your experience?

Yeah, I mean, and you can tell me if I'm wrong, but when the way I remember it is like, you know, you had this perception of yourself that I just didn't have, right? Like, I mean, I know it was a very deeply personal thing. And I think that that's why I was able to have an attitude of like, let's just go get a wig, you know? Because like it never really affected how I saw you.

Now, as you were going through the journey, I think that like the natural desire for any husband is to be like, I wanna fix this problem, right? And this was something that was so deep, like in your femininity and all of that, that like I couldn't solve the emotional side. You know, and we were also newly married. So I think that like mature husbands like start to realize

like, okay, I can't fix all my wife's problems, but I was not that yet. And so I was like, let's just go, we'll fix it, we'll patch it, why are you still sad? And so the emotional side I think was hard because it was just something I couldn't control, but the wigs just seemed like a pretty genius natural solution.

And it started an era of our lives that was just really wild for so many reasons. One is because we ended up falling in love, like we said, with this like wig era. It was like fun for our marriage. It was like fun to go out. It was fun to talk about who who's coming out tonight. And then I think that what's cool that I'll let Danny talk about is like something that, you know, and I feel like like God usually does this where it's like something that, you know, and I feel like, like God usually does this where it's like something that was your greatest affliction, you know,

ended up being just like something that ended up creating so much purpose in our lives. Like it, you know, this whole time we're like, oh my gosh, we're gonna have to get off the internet or Danny's feeling like this, like how am I gonna show up? You know, it's so embarrassing. And then when she was able to kind of be vulnerable and be honest about it,

it acquired this whole other audience of like me too, right? And so now it's like, we're not just posting this like silly content, which was also fun and we love to do, but it was like, there was a whole new, another meaning to what we did for a while, in that space. And so, yeah.

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Yeah, exactly. And it's so cool how like something like we're like the most shameful about or like, as soon as you talk about it, like it loses so much of its grip on you. Yeah. That is so true. It felt freeing. Like I felt like I had this secret

that I was like trying to hide all the time. And then I shared it with everyone. I'm like, now they know everything. Like I don't have to hide anything. Now I can have fun with it and now we can all have fun with it and not take it so seriously. Like why are we taking everything so seriously? And then you start to think too,

when you're like holding that in yourself, you're like, I'm the only person that is like struggling with this. And then like you said when so many other women are like, no, I need to, I'm struggling with this, then, I don't know, it's like, Yeah, we've seen that like multiple times in our marriage too where it's like things, like me too, I'm struggling with this, then I don't know, it's like, we have to feel so alone. We've seen that like multiple times in our marriage too,

where it's like things, like an affliction that we're going through, whether it's postpartum or wigs or hair loss or whatever, you know, that we just so don't understand in that moment, there's just like this redemption on the other side of it, but pushing through sometimes is so hard, but we've just seen this like weird cycle over and over again where it's like,

go through affliction, deep, not understanding, be faithful through it, and then it's like the redemption is like there's such a reward on the other side of it. I actually have a really funny story about that too. When I started sharing my way, I didn't even tell any of my friends to be honest, and I had one really good friend in Dallas that I was like, you know what, I'm going to tell her what's going on because like I feel like I should, in Dallas that I was like, you know what, I'm gonna tell her what's going on. Because like, I feel like I should, this was before I told anyone on the internet

and I had just gotten my first wig. And so I went over to her house and explained everything to her. And she's like, she's still one of my best friends today. She's like, Danny, I've worn wigs since I was three. Like I was like, I have full on alopecia. And I'm like, what? Like we had been friends for like years

and I had no idea that she were wigs. No way. Wild and she's still like one of my best friends. And so I thought that I was like bringing something so embarrassing about myself to her, but she's like, no, Danny, like it's normal. There's like, she's the one that introduced me to like the whole like her less community online,

helped me shop for wigs, what are the good brands? It was just wild. And so there really are, there really were so many people going through something similar. That's beautiful. So how did you then end up starting a hair company? Because are you out here, oh, I'm losing my hair, I'm gonna, are you in your garage doing chemistry?

Yes, literally I was. What formulated? You think I'm kidding? And I feel like people don't understand. I actually was. Because first of all, there was a lot of medications that you could take for hair loss, but I also was trying to start a family.

So you can't really be on a lot of those medications if you are. And sorry, I wasn't trying to start a family, but we were thinking about it. And I just knew a lot of that stuff wasn't good for you long term. And so this is actually funny. One of the biggest trends I had heard online about hair loss or hair growth was using monostat

on your scalp. I don't even know if y'all know what that is. That's yeast infection. Yeast infection cream. I remember when I was pregnant and I was in Disney and I had to do that stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

So a lot of people were using monoset on their scalp, a yeast infection cream to grow their hair back. Oh, gnarly. And so I'm like, why is that working? So I started doing more research about it. Well, it has antifungal properties in it that help kill all of the buildup. Like, you know how like everybody,

like you don't watch a care anymore these days because it's bad for your hair. You wear so much dry shampoo. You have all these products these days. Well, a lot of times those products are sitting on your scalp, like irritating, causing dandruff, psoriasis, clogging the follicle, like literally like your hair can't wash your hair. Yeah. And so, um, so I was like, man, how can I do that? But like make it something clean that I can use long term. Cause even if you do monosat on your scalp, you're not supposed to do that like for over a month. And so I started trying to find, not all natural,

I still wanted science behind it, but I wanted a clean version of that, and there was literally nothing. So at first, yes, I'm ordering things online. I'm in a test tube. And then we finally, I told Jordan, I want to meet with a chemist, because there's some things that I want, amino acids and peptides, really good peptides that I don't have access to and I would like a chemist to kind of help me formulate

This and so we came out with like a scalp serum Really, it was just like one product that I just wanted for myself and then I was like, okay So many people are asking for this too. We'll just give the people what they want. And it was like wild. Like it was the craziest response. And I think the reason why people loved it so much is they started documenting their own hair growth. We literally every single day would get like 20 before and afters sent to us. Like once people started using it.

And I was like, and I think people really like before and after pictures, cause they can like see like, oh my gosh, it works. And it's like, it's not like some model or like ad that we're running, like it's like organic growth. And so it grew really, really fast just from one skew. Like it was wild. And so then after that, I was like, so no,

I don't have like genetically good hair. Like I literally would have never thought I would start a hair care company. Like that is, I'm like maybe skin care. Like I have better skin than hair. But I was like, maybe I should do this, because there's not a lot of women in this space creating products for girls with hair like me.

Like, a lot of the products you have out there, like, it's for girls that have this gorgeous, voluminous, you know, perfect hair. And I'm like, dude, you could put, like, anything in your hair is going to look good. This girl has a good hair. And that's great. And like, you're so blessed in that way. But like, what about us? Like, the other girls where it'm like, dude, you could put like anything in your hair is gonna look good. This girl has a good hair. And that's great and like you're so blessed in that way. But like what about us?

Like the other girls where it's like, man, we put one wrong ingredient in our hair, we lose all our hair. Like, or it just, our hair is so brittle, it just breaks. And so like somebody's got to really like be looking out for us too. And so, so that's what led me to start Divi. So all of our ingredients are like clean and we have a lot of integrity behind our formulas. If they say that they do something, we have clinical dosages of what it actually says that it does.

And so, no, now it's special because I feel like our audience tells me the next product they want. So it was the scalp serum at first and they're like, we really wanna hear vitamin or shampoo conditioner or we want, we have like, what am I allowed to say? What am I allowed to say?

You say we have dry shampoo coming out. Like, yeah. We're getting taller. Broken here on the unplanned podcast. Yeah. Exclusive. There's your clip bait. Yeah.

Yeah. We were like, OK. No, so it's special because I just listen to them and then just give them more of what they want. That is really cool. Yeah. Really, really cool. And I remember a year ago, I'm looking at the Forbes, you know, 30 under 30.

Yeah. I'm so much so interested who these people are because it's pretty cool if you make it into the Forbes 30 under 30 list and you were on there. Yeah. And I saw this interview of you with Forbes. I was so postpartum. I hated that oh really oh my god I'm so like felt so gross in that and the angles they chose I was like really get you do a mama better than that I was like right fresh out of the oven too oh that's not nice I don't

think anyone else was thinking that thank you can we just give it up that's pretty Forbes 30 under 30 I mean my gosh. That's incredible. I mean, you guys are a team, right? Because are you the CEO of Divi? So I don't really, I mean, I'm probably like you. I don't know what I am. I'm like on a day to day basis, I wake up and sometimes I'm like doing stuff with our real estate

stuff and sometimes I'm helping film Instagram stories and sometimes I'm running Divi. But I helped develop the team at Divvy because it grew so fast and we, our core business, if you will, was like what you guys do. It's like creating content on the internet, which as you guys know, it's a grind. It's like your job every day is to kind of like

live your life and tell a really good story and provide value to an audience. And so when Divvy blew up, it was really hard in the best way possible because it grew so fast that we were like, oh no, we can't do this on our own. Like when we launched the serum, like two doors down in my unborn son's nursery was where one person who was over Divi was doing.

And so when it went from zero to like 40 million off of one skew in one year, we had to hire, you know, 20 people in a year. And so it was kind of a- 40 million in revenue in the first year. In the first year on the loft, that one skew in one year, we had to hire 20 people in a year. And so it was kind of a- 40 million in revenue in the first year. In the first year on the off that one skew. One product. Off of one skew.

Which is just unheard of. And it was way beyond, this is what's so crazy. It was like way beyond my audience. Like, you know, like that's what's so wild for me to comprehend is like, I would go to the nail salon and someone's wearing a Divi sweat shirt. I'm like, oh my gosh, hi.

And they're like, who are you? They're like, I don't know who you are. I'm like, oh my gosh, hi. And they're like, who are you? They're like, I don't know who you are. I'm like, whoa, that's wild. It's just my one. But I feel like the yin and the yang of Danny and I typically is like, I feel like Danny's kind of like the creative. She has the genius ideas. And I'll kind of be the yang to her where it's like, OK,

I can help you find the people that can scalably implement our deal so we don't sink our family trying to accomplish this, right? Yeah, exactly. Our personalities is like, she's like, I'll show up to a meeting on time. She'll show up to a meeting late with no pants on. I've been there about it, thank you very much.

It's just the true creative operator dynamic. And I think that we've been doing this together for six years. She's been doing it by herself for 12 years. And I feel like that's what we've learned to lean into. And I feel like it's created a really healthy team and respect within us. It's like, OK, I know how to capture the genius in a bottle

and make ideas happen. I'm so curious. So you do 40 million in revenue, company blows up, you're on Forbes 30 under 30, like everything outside looking in is like, this is perfection. This couple has this extremely successful business. Yeah. You know, their marriage looks good. Like looking from the outside in like it looks like you guys have it all. Were you the happiest you ever were in that moment or in that time? I mean, I think the happiest I've ever been is probably, I talked about this on our podcast earlier,

probably when we had our kids, I feel like. Because I do feel like, because I've had so much time online, I understand that these things are very fleeting and they go, and even when the Forbes thing came out, like I am so thankful and like the fact that they noticed me at all, like I'm, I still can't get over it, but I'm also very aware that like it's a very like worldly thing and like it's not going to actually bring me fulfillment like in the inside, you know?

And so, um, so I feel like once we had our kids, that really helped me balance everything and put everything into perspective. And so that's probably the happiest I've ever been. Not to say it wasn't hard, it's really challenging still. But like we were talking about this earlier, I'm like, man, I wish I would have done that sooner. That's like my true accomplishment. And sometimes I even feel like we made the list,

the Forbes list again for a second year and then we made the fashion Forbes list, which is so funny, because I'm like, really? That's me. I'm like, but I think, I talk about fashion, but it's very like relatable, like I share Walmart finds, you know? So I thought that was really cool to be noticed in that way,

but that same week I took like maybe three days off of work and stayed home and cooked every day and cleaned and cleaned my own kitchen and took care of my babies and napped during their nap time and I was like this I feel 10 times more successful like doing this than I did making the Forbes list. Wow. Like I just felt so proud of myself and like I love being a mom. I love being able to like balance everything

but like that's my top priority and like being a wife too. Like that is really what fills me up. But you know, you kind of have to like learn that the hard way sometimes. Yeah and I think that the past two years, you know, regardless of what it looked like on the outside, I think was the process of learning that the hard way, right?

So it's like we did two under two just was the process of learning that the hard way, right? So it's like, we did two under two, just like you guys, but when you have a company, it almost counts as like three kids. So it almost feels like we had five kids under two, right? And so, you know, I think that that was really challenging. And then honestly, just like everything the past two years was thrown all at once, where it's like, you know, growing a company, building a team, having kids,

like, you know, managing our extended family dynamics. Like it was just all moving. It was all so all at once that I think it really coming out of that two year sprint has taught us like, what is important and like how to balance. Like you guys talked about like harmony and balance and like what that looks like for y'all's family and trying to find that.

And I think we're probably closer than ever to finding that. And I think in that piece, we're happy. But I look back on the past two years and I kind of blacked out like me personally. Like I'm like- I didn't see him the first year. When we first lunched him that first year, he was, cause he was busy building the team

and like hiring everyone and like he was absent. Yeah. And I was, I was grumpy and burnout and, you know, cause I just felt like I couldn't be all things. Like I couldn't be a good husband and a dad and, you know, this to the 20 people over at Divi and to Danny's team and like everything. And so I think that we're coming into this era where it's the reason I don't know what I am

is because we're trying to hire so many smarter people around us to be able to take things off our plate so that we can do what we feel like is our highest and best calling, which is like being spouses to each other and being parents to our kids. And everything else has to fit in that. But that's hard.

That was a hard journey to figure out. I'm curious, do you look back in regret not spending more time with your kids then, or are you thankful that you went through the grind era early that way now you have the freedom financially to spend more time with your kids now? I am so glad that I did it when I did it. Because I mean, something changed

when our daughter turned two, right? So when our daughter was two, our son was, you know, uh, not talking or walking yet. When our daughter turned two, I started to realize, Oh my gosh, you are starting to understand what's going on. Yeah. And you, you definitely know who I am and you know the role I play in your life. And so I'm, I'm kind of glad that we were able to build the infrastructure before that because now I understand the importance of it And can kind of prioritize that above all else. I don't know like do you feel like you could

You could you could do what you did back then with Divi growing Divi now that our kids are older because Stella was like not even one years old whenever we were growing Divi. Yeah, I think about that sometimes like I don't think we could have. I so if I could have done Divi differently, I would have probably just like hired I know it sounds like we scaled really fast but hiring sort of people who have done it before I think is so important. We hired a lot of really gifted people that we saw potential in, but a lot of them, it was their first rodeo, right? And so we're training them and teaching them,

and so that's a lot of pouring out, right? It's a lot of emotion. If you wanna build the culture right, which is what Dan and I really wanted to do, which was like, okay, how do we take our heart for people and a team and how do we take our heart for people and a team and how do we extend that? So we like hired a really good like people manager

and we were like, hey, you know, she had kind of like a psychology background, a little bit of a ministry background. And we were like, hey, we want you to like love this team because we won't have the bandwidth to be able to do that. And so I would say that I would do it a little bit differently.

It could be done. True, true, true. And I kind of like, I don't know if y'all are like this, but I was sort of stubborn for a while where it's like a lot of mentors were like, just do this. This will make your life easier. Do that. And I almost like had to fail and like burn out myself before I was like, okay, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, exactly what that's like. Yeah. And that's why I was asking you on our podcast, I was like, you're close to burnout. I see you. Yeah. But it's hard to kind of also become like addicted to the chaos when things slow down.

I'm like why are they so slow? Are we failing? Like are we becoming irrelevant? Like what's going on? And then you just like what more? And it's a toxic cycle. It's toxic. It's bad.

It's bad. I'm curious for the business to blow up like it did, what made the product so good? Because it must have been a really great product for people to blow up like it did, what made the product so good? Cause it must have been a really great product for people to buy it like they did and for it to, you know, get 40 million in revenue in the first year. I think that it's the first time that a product like this

has been clean. Like honestly, I think that a lot of women that are using it are like postpartum, they're trying to start a family. Like there are some really harmful ingredients in some other like scalp serums, any other hair products out there. Like I said, you can use it short term,

but ours is totally clean. And then we have really powerful, like our peptides are really strong amino acids. We have lots of natural ingredients. And so, and even with our hair vitamin, oh, that's like one that I get like so passionate about, because a lot of like are the, like marketing, like if you look at a label of a hair vitamin, it'll say, Oh, it has this much or it has ashwagandha. Okay,

but at what dosage like does it have enough to like meet the clinical study standards? And typically the answer is no, they just put like a little like ounce in there to say that they have it. And so even creating the hair vitamin R head of product development came from NutriFull. And so she was like really well versed in ingredients and studies and things that work. And so it's, we also have two internal chemists that are like constantly researching, they go to to these conferences all over the country to learn about the new technologies and new ingredients out there. So a lot of the science now is so above my understanding because I'm not a scientist or a chemist,

but my biggest passion was hiring the best of the best team to create really effective products. And that was our goal is, I think, the headwinds against us probably was like, you have a lot of influencers. Y'all probably know a lot who are launching brands, right? And I think that the consumer knows like, oh my gosh, there's so many celebrity or influencer brands coming out that, you know, you kind of know the ones that are pouring heart and

soul in and then the ones that are just like taking a white labeled product and slapping their name on it. And so we knew that those, with something as personal and intimate as like hair loss, we knew that there were some headwinds against us that, you know, people were going to assume it's just another influencer brands where like, Hey, how do we bring some of the best like researchers, scientists from across the country together to like execute on this vision? I think that that's a little bit of what we did different. And then just like Danny touched on a lot of the products that you see on shelves, it's really crazy how much

of it is marketing, right? Like they are gipping you on, you know, they're saying that this is in the product and you're like, oh, I know that's a good ingredient, but it's not anywhere near. Like gummy hair vitamins are like a bunch of bull. They do, there's no way that they have enough of the ingredients to actually make a difference.

Like you're just, and they're so bad. It's just like this chewy gooey stuff that's not really, it's like has like a lot of sugar. It's not good for you. What about like biotin or collagen? Like for a while I was taking like this collagen powder. It tasted like crap. Yeah, that's good.

I bought a big scoop. The scoop is good. On Amazon and I was like, here's my frickin' biotin. No, that's great. Collagen powder is great. I stopped taking it because it tasted so bad. I was like, here's my fricking biotin. No, that's great. Collagen powder is great. I stopped taking it because it tasted so bad. I'm like, is this even doing anything?

And then for a while I was even doing, what is the, yeah, biotin pills. Yeah, that's great. Especially when they're like only biotin or something. But I think where it gets messy is like, there's some hair vitamins out there that say like, we have collagen in it. Well, the only way that you're going to actually make a difference with like collagen production is if you're taking a powder where it's like a lot of collagen they take right like it's a lot there's no way in that one little pill it has enough collagen to make to make a

difference. So like I'm ahead. That's why we don't have collagen in our products because I don't I know we could we could say oh like we have collagen but it's not you would have to take like 10 pills to make it. So I want to come out with a collagen product but I want it to be its own thing that actually works like I don't want to just put collagen in there to say it has This episode is sponsored by Athena Club, you know, I started shaving my legs in the second grade. That's right You did I am a Harry Queen And I remember sitting at Storytime and I was sitting crisscrossed I will saw us and this little boy next to me I'm not gonna say his name because I still know him

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you wanna almost rather than trying to like pick up pebbles off the ground, you wanna pick up the boulder and do the thing that's gonna do the most good for whatever thing you're trying to combat. So whether that's like, you wanna lose weight or you wanna, you know, I don't know, it makes some healthy change in your life.

What's the boulder with hair loss? Like, what's the most important thing? I'm asking this for myself too, because I'm like, I'm 25, my grandpa was bald, and I'm like, I don't wanna be bald. I'm like, get this man some divvy. I mean, I'm like, I'm like, I'm asking this myself too, because I'm 25, my grandpa was bald and I'm like, I don't want to be bald. I'm gonna get this man some Divi. I mean, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm showing the camera. I'm gonna be honest with you, it's a lot of it is genetic. And so a lot of it is just taking care of like what you have. And that's why I also like Divi, cause it's like getting the most of like, honestly what God gave you.

But I mean, the biggest thing for me was stress. Like stress and cortisol will spike your DHT levels, which also signals your follicle to let loose and you lose your hair. And so keeping your cortisol levels, your stress down, that's why our hair vitamin also has KSM66, which is the purest form of ashwagandha. It actually comes from the root extract of ashwagandha. It actually comes from like the root extract of ashwagandha.

And a lot of people actually use it for like bodybuilding, weight loss, energy, sleep, because it has so many benefits to it. But like one of the biggest things is like people that take our hair vitamins are like, oh my gosh, I've been sleeping so amazing or I feel less stressed out. And like that's really helping like you not lose your hair too. That's good. And I'm guessing that the Divi probably helped too. I mean, that's probably why you made it.

Well, the one point I would touch on too is I think that it's like the skinification of the scalp is what people are talking about now. So like seeing. We launched that before that was every word term. No one was talking about your scalp at all But in Danny's spirit of saying like kind of taking care of like just like what God gave you It's like this the scalp is the environment where the hair grows and so like that like

Detoxifying it with like the serum and like taking the hair vitamins and like cleansing it with like the shampoo and conditioner And like just really like understanding there's product buildup that happens There's things that are happening at the follicle level too that could prevent hair growth too and just almost maintaining and preventing is probably a big part of it as well. Yeah, that's why we like the scalp serum for like, it's like the outside in approach

and the hair vitamin is like the inside out approach. So when you use them together, they're like. That's good. I've never heard that line, I like it though. So I guess because of my genetics, well, I probably, if I to keep my hair as like an old You know my my grandpa was bald so I'm like my mom's dad. I think it's like on your mom's side, right? I heard it from you get the genetics from that side. So it's like I probably will genetically go bald one day

Unless I do preventative measures now or I guess I could do the like the hair surgery, right the people Yeah, I've heard of that too. Yeah, I think Elon did that right? Really? Yeah. A lot of people do it. A lot of people do it. A lot of guys.

That's crazy. Jeffree Star also did it. No way. He did plugs? He did. He got like a hair transplant. I saw it on YouTube it really grossed me out. It's kind of a wild procedure.

Don't you have to get it done in Turkey? Some people do it in Turkey. Some people get it done in Turkey. It's cheaper in Turkey. Oh okay I was like, I thought that's where they only did it. I think in the States it's like 20 grand, but in Turkey it's like 2 grand. People are like flying to Turkey to do it. Okay, got it. But I guess can you prevent that with taking collagen and doing all these things, taking

Divi, whatever? Can you prevent that from happening? I don't think that you can prevent genetics from, I think genetics are too strong, but you could probably prevent a certain percentage of it. But I think genetics or genetics, it's not really, it's the same thing whenever heart disease runs in your family. And yes, you can do everything you can

to make it the healthiest version of what you have. Matt's trying to trap you in an FTC claim. FTC, no, he won't. He's like, can you say definitively that it does XYZ? The hard to explain is if I was like, yeah, Divi saves everything, like no, like I think genetics are just too strong.

No, what's funny is I think it's so funny when there's a new product and people are like, it does this for you, it does this for you. Like, it basically makes your life perfect. Yeah, yeah. And that was like a biggest thing too. Like I wanted Divi so badly to be like very science driven, but also like an overall wellness brand because I do believe that like taking care of yourself

and like helping your hair grow, a lot of it has to do with diet and like your sleep and your stress and all these things. It's like a lifestyle and a wellness thing that you have to conquer, not just hair loss. It's funny, we said this on your podcast, but Abby listens to your guys podcast free week. And she has always given me,

she always gives me the Spark Notes version of what you guys talked about. That's so funny. I can't believe that. I'm like kind of like so flattered. Are you freaked out at all? No, I'm so flattered. My mom doesn't even listen to my podcast.

So I'm just like. Oh, I don't listen to my own podcast. Yeah. Abby doesn't listen to our podcast. I don't either. I know. I'm sure we record, I forget everything I said. People come up to me and be like, oh.

That's one thing he said. And I'm like, dude, I blacked out. I have no idea what I talked about. I do too. I'm like, people mention things to me. I'm like, I'd say that somewhere. Yeah. I wear it like, oh. Yeah, no good what I talked about. I used to. People mentioned things to me and I'm like, I have to say that somewhere? Yeah. Oh.

Yeah, no, go ahead. You go ahead. Basically anything that, I don't know where you were going with that, so you can hold that thought. Okay. Sometimes whenever I'm reading a book or we watch a show, like we are like, he knows everything that I watch or read and we don't like watching anything separate,

but sometimes on your podcast, like you guys will be like, oh, you read that book? Or you watch that show and I'm like like watching anything separate, but sometimes on your podcast, you guys will be like, oh, you read that book or you watch that show and I'm like, oh my gosh, how are they married? And they don't even know what she's doing all the time. No, we don't read the same books and we don't even watch the same shows anymore, which really bothers me and I try so hard

to get you to watch all of my murder mystery documentaries and you won't do it. Like right now she's watching Love is Blind and I'm watching the X-Files. It's so good. Wait, have you guys watched Love on the Spectrum? Oh, it's the best. See won't do it. Like right now she's watching Love is Blind and I'm watching the X-Files. It's so good. Wait, have you guys watched Love on the Spectrum? Oh, it's the best. See, she loves it.

The sweetest? The sweetest show. Oh my gosh, Tanner. Tanner, I love Tanner. I love Connor. I love Tanner more than you love Tanner. Like, you don't understand. I love everyone.

You've all been on TikTok? I've been following people from the show because they're all so sweet. I just am obsessed. And yeah, so my cousin, people from the show because they're all so sweet. I just am obsessed and Yeah, my so my cousin we never we don't really talk about this But he is also on the spectrum and it just makes me so happy because he's very like self-sufficient It makes me so happy because I'm like oh my he always talks about how he wants to get married and like he will like Once to live on his own and everything and it's so it's so encouraging to see

Has he watched the show? No, I don't think so. I'd be so curious what his take on the show was. Yeah, what his take on the show is. He's just like the sweetest. I don't know where this was going Matt, where was your part? No, I was going with like, you guys are like,

dish out your arguments on the podcast. Cause Abby will be like, oh yeah, they had this like, you know, thing where we relate to a lot of things with working with your spouse. Yeah, we relate to you guys because we work together. And so like, it was like, oh, Danny ended up getting her own tickets to the Dallas Stars game. Dude, that was, I have, that's a fresh one, Matt.

Like let's talk about that again on this podcast. Let's talk about it. I'll tell you what happened. What's the story? Okay, so, so I'm like, hey, let's go to the Stars game with our family. No, you didn't. Oh, sorry. Yeah. What happened? No, no. Refresh my brain.

I did not say this. Okay. But like, I'm going down on this. Like, I don't care what this is a new audience for us. I don't care if they see this. It's going down right now. Let me tell you something. It's Friday night and Jordan's like, I want to take either you to the Stars game or Stella to the Stars game, but we were not all invited as a family. Originally, let me tell you something.

We'll take turns. Originally, Danny had communicated to me that her love language had changed. It is now quality time. And so I'm like, great. It's always been quality time. It went through a gifting phase. It went through, it's been physical touch.

I like give food to me. Phase like, it's been everything touch. It's been everything. So we're on a quality time season. And so I'm like, okay, I'm going to intentionally plan a date, Danny's busy throughout the day. And Danny's a historically poor planner. So I cannot ask her at seven o'clock, what should we be going to the stars game?

Because at two o'clock PM, she's stressed about seven other things. So I'm like, okay, I gently start nudging. Let's go to the Stars game. Let's go to the Stars game. Let's go. We'd never gone to a Stars game before she had never been. I was like, I'm gonna take you to the Stars game. And so it comes around and now you continue.

Well, he said, I'll take you to the Stars game or sell it to the Stars game, but not. And I said, can we all go? And he goes, no, that's too much because I want to take Stratton too. And you know, Stratton's like 20 months. And so he's like, no, no, no, it's too much. So I was like, okay, well then you install ago because like,

and I was getting frustrated. Like I was like, fine, if we can't all go, then just you guys go. And I, but in my head, I'm like, why can't we all go? Like this is so annoying that we have this break up. Let me ask you this. So pause, do you guys feel this? Like y'all's kids are really young,

but like I had had in my mind, okay I was gonna start trying to, my daughter's old enough to know what's going on. So I was like, I wanna try and like do one on one time with my son, one on one time with my daughter and one on one time with my wife. Because on the weekends we're all together, right? So I really wanted it to be either I will go with Stella

as my one on one date with Stella, my daughter, or I will go with Danny one-on-one date. Yes, and I wanted all of us to go. And so, but he kept pressuring me, you know, and I'm still working, and I'm like, hey, you know what, like y'all just go, like it's too stressful. And so he goes with just Stella.

And so I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna go with just Stratton then, like why not? So my perspective of this is we're sitting at the stars game. Stella's having the time of her life, she's eating three bags of M&Ms at this point. And Danny texts me, this is all she texts me, texts me a picture of her and Stratton at the stars game. And I'm like, where are you?

I was like- I was offended that he didn't want Stratton to go. So I was like, where are you guys? Doesn't text me back. Whole period goes by in the stars game. She finally takes me back. She's like, we're over here. I'm like, I'm like, do you,

I was like, there's two seeds by us. Do you want to come? I was taking care of a 20 month old. So I was not able to text great, but I texted you immediately back. So we got really cheap seats because it was like last minute. So we combine our whole family at the stars game.

And I don't know what the learning lesson is here. Okay, the whole thing is. Are you guys okay? No, the whole thing is like, Jordan, when he plans these, he's very particular about where we take our kids or who goes or the environment. And I'm more of like, I don't care if they throw a fit,

let's just all go together. And if they throw a fit, that's just part of life. And I don't want to not go to things because we have a child. And so sometimes, yes, it's to a fault. Like one time I tried to get into a bar with my baby. And it was just, they carted my one-year-old. It was just not everything.

But yeah. We were like, we should go home. We should not be here. Yeah, so sometimes I take to the stream, but to me, I was like, a starry's game is a perfect place for the whole family to go together. So I was frustrated that his mind was so set on one way or the other, that I was like,

I'm just gonna, if you don't wanna take Stratton, I'll just go with Stratton then. I don't wanna just leave him at home. And in my mind, guys, I'm like, yeah, you can call me rigid all you want, but I think about way more details. Like we're past the kids bedtime, Stella maybe can handle that,

Stratton might go ballistic. Like he can't really- I'm gonna be honest though, like it felt really good. I wasn't planning on going, but to get out of the house and to like go somewhere with my baby just by myself without help, like sometimes feels really good.

Sometimes I feel like, wow, I did this and I just feel good about myself as a mom and I love spending that one-on-one time with Stratton too. So it looks weird from the outside looking in, but in my mind I was like, okay, he can have his night with Stella, I'm gonna go have my night with Stratton and that's fine, we have our one-on-one. I don't know, what do y'all think about situation?

I love it, you guys weigh in? Because it's so relatable. Like we go at each other like cats and dogs. Like all day every day. Yeah. Have you guys ever fought before you have to record a podcast? And you're a single.

Daddy, absolute worst one. Oh my gosh, this is the worst. And then they'll hold her. Yeah. Yeah, I'm like, I don't even wanna talk to you in private, let alone with a camera on us. And then people are like, wow, Matt seems so toxic. I'm like, you hear what she said to me all the worst. Yeah. I'm like, I don't even want to talk to you in private, let alone with a camera on it. And then people are like, wow, Matt seems so toxic. I'm like, you hear what she said to me all the time?

You have no idea, she's a monster. It really hurts my feelings. That is so real though. It's so relatable though because I feel like there's so many people online that only show, cause it's scary to show like, even stupid arguments like that. Like it's scary to show even stupid arguments like that. It's scary to share because, oh, we get this all the time.

I can't wait for the divorce episode. And I'm like, you guys, it's disgusting. It's disgusting. It's like, if this one did, it's like, it's like, it's crazy. Because I get, I mean, everybody online has a perfect marriage, you know? They all have a perfect marriage. Yeah, we're all perfect. I think it's the single people, the unmarried people

that are commenting those things. Yeah, no, 100%. I respect that you guys talk about your fights, though, because I feel like that's vulnerable. It's kind of funny, honestly. It's like, I think if it's a real fight, we probably won't talk about it until after the fact when she realized I'm right.

No, there's no real fights out there. Then you will. Until after the fact when you realize I'm right. That's hilarious. I know, kidding. No, but there's some like pretty big fights that were like, okay, like we've been fighting, but we won't say what it is.

Yeah, and like we'll talk about those like after we've like come to a reconciliation point and we both usually at the reconciliation point are like, oh, here's what I did wrong, here's the G. But the bickering fights are so funny to talk about because it's like we all go through those is very cool. It's too exhausting to act like we have it all together. Like it's just, it's too much.

And so I'd rather just be like, ugh, it is what it is. Honestly, so much of the reason that we started our podcast was two reasons. One is like, we felt so, I'm sure you guys feel this too, like we felt so confined and put into a box in these like, you know, 30 second Instagram story clips that was supposed to depict every nuance of our life. So it's like, you know, when we had two kids It was like you hate Stratton because you don't show them that I'm like

You guys are seeing 20 what like five minutes max of our entire day And we are also like controlling what you see. So like why would you think that we hate our son for that reason? So yeah, we hated the lack of nuance. And so we were like, we need a longer form, you know, piece of content to be able to talk about what we're going through trying to juggle all these balls in the air. And then the second reason is like we really just were like, you know, coming out of when you guys started

on the internet, we were talking about this earlier, you guys started in a war zone of a time on the internet. Like, Danny's been doing this for 11 years, we've been doing it together for six. That 2020, 2021 era was an absolute war zone. But that's probably all y'all know. It's all you know. You don't understand, there was a golden era.

They were nicer before that. No, they were nice to us though. They're like, yay, this young married couple. See, that's sweet. I know, you got them through COVID. It's also like when you're new, like people are like, oh, it's the new person, let's build them up. And then once you get big, then it's like,

oh, now they're big, let's tear them down. I hate you guys. But honestly, once they tear you down, they like to rebuild you again. So you just kind of have to weather there. It's a cycle, just let it, it's a cycle. Just let it sound, just let it sound. Take the boys.

But we were coming out of that era where we just felt like, you know, I think so many creators in that time felt so stifled in terms of like sharing any opinion about anything. And I'm not saying you have to go hardcore, like religion or politics, but like there was no room to be like, here's kind of like my nuanced beliefs on this issue.

And what we really felt was like the world, like America wanted to hear more nuanced opinions. And I think that like the lack of it made people feel like, you know, you guys are all part of the Illuminati and you guys don't wanna talk about this stuff and like there's this system and it's like, no, like we're normal humans and Americans, like trying to figure out like what we believe

and how to just, at the end of the day, take care of our family. And so we felt like podcasting was like the best format for that. And so we try and be as authentic on this platform as we can and honestly most of the time it's like therapy for us to work out our files. I love it. I have a listening. Okay, in real time. Okay, I'm glad you just brought that up because I'm so curious. You guys are so open on your podcast. Are you, how are you feeling about like the state of our country right now? With like, who do we have an election? Let's go there, Matt. I'm so scared. You wanna go there?

I'm like, I'm scared. I'm like, I crack my knuckles. I'm scared. This is what he's been preparing for. I'm like, I'm so glad you asked. I'm so, I'm scared to go there because I know like people get so heated about this stuff.

But like, we're in an election year. How are you feeling about like what's going on? Honestly, I'll be real. I work so much, I don't really know what's going on. But like, just, yeah. Did you see the boards on our windows? Like we're ready, like we're ready for the riots. I think he's, uh, his stash, what do you call it?

You're a, uh, my prepper stash. Your prepper stash. We'll talk about that in a second. You're preppers, I'll talk about you preppers too. He's a big prepper. Are you worried for the state of our country though? So I would say like I'm actually like me personally, like I'm the most optimistic I've probably ever been.

And here's why is like, I feel like what really confused me in the 2020, 2021 era was like, I just felt like we were all stuck in our homes. I feel like people's brains were broken. And also I think that this is like pretty much proven at this point, like you only got one side of the argument. Like I think it's like, you know,

I don't want to get too controversial, but like with the Twitter files coming out and all this stuff, it's like, it was very clear that there was one narrative that was being shown. And so what's so important, I think, for people to feel like they belong in this country is to see both sides of an argument. And so because one of the sides was stifled,

it really confused me. I was like, man, am I wrong about these things? I'm just a dad, like trying to navigate how I feel about things and the economy. And I think that, I think like as a country, we're probably in one of the harder states we've ever been, like inflation's really high, people can't afford to buy homes.

You know, people in cities are feeling like really unsafe. But for the first time, I feel like both sides of the aisle are not seeing it as like a polarized argument that these facts exist. We're all like, hey, something's wrong here and like how can we fix it? And I feel, I don't know, maybe I'm an idealist, but I feel like we're right on the cusp

of like coming together again. And like being like, hey, across political lines, like we all just like wanna raise our kids, like be a family and like being like, hey, across political lines, like we all just like want to raise our kids, like be a family and like we want to see prosperity for our country. Yes. And I feel like we're going to unite on something, but that's probably like closer to November, December. I think it's probably going to get really hairy again, like May, June, July as elections start. Yeah, I feel the same way because we have friends who are as Republican as you could, because we have friends who are as Republican as you could get, and we have friends that are as Democrat as you could get.

And I love it because I want different views. Do you feel like they're coming together? I don't know, but I hope we can. I want that, because I think you need to consider everyone's perspective and what everybody wants. I think when you really talk about it, everybody's on the same team. We want the same things. It's so interesting when you listen to like Republicans

and Democrats, they'll be like, oh, I'm this way on this issue because I care about human rights. And then the other side will say, I care about this issue because of human rights. And it's like, wait a second, we're all wanting to like make human rights better. So like why are we fighting?

And so I think we're also much more likely to be our difference. So what's wild is like, are you familiar with like the concept of like audience capture? I said this to you earlier. Ooh, what is that? So audience capture is basically like when, you know,

you blow up on the internet or you become famous or something, either publishing or writing, you know, journalists or whatever. And then you kind of grow because you have independent opinions and people are like, I like that, right? And then what happens is when audience capture comes in, you start only serving the audience that you feel like what they want to hear.

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class of journalists that are covering the middle and giving us like real facts. And so I think for the first time, we all are able to form new opinions beyond party lines. And I think it's gonna shake a lot of things up. Like I think people are gonna leave the left and go to the right, and I think people are gonna leave the right

and go to the left, but it's like, hopefully both candidates that run can realize that the vast majority of America is like right moderate in the middle. Like we just want to, we just wanna live our lives. We just want, don't run out of toilet paper again, like in COVID. Like, and that's why I press.

Like, like, don't. No, I'm the reason I started prepping when we ran out of toilet paper near in COVID. Cause I was like, this is how crazy things happen. But don't you guess why they ran out of toilet paper? Cause everybody was freaking out about it. Yeah. Cause everyone was prepping. Oh no. No, no, no.

Oh, that's a really interesting way of looking at it. But like, no, I think it was a mass hysteria. It was a hysteria. So then you hear about it, then everybody's like, oh my gosh, we have to go buy toilet paper even though we already have 10, you know, bags in the, in the garage. It's just like, you feel like you have to

cause it's the sense of urgency. Like that scared me the most in COVID. I was like, oh my gosh, like I can go to the grocery store and things will be like ransacked and out of stock. I was like, oh, I wouldn't be prepared to like take care of my family. Is that when you started prepping? Yeah, 100%.

I've never seen anything like it. And like we were in a neighborhood in Dallas where like, you know, bars were getting like, like not burnt down, but like broken into glass windows. And I was pregnant with Stella. We went and stayed with my parents because there was, it was like all burnt down, but like broken into glass windows. And I was pregnant with Stella. We went and stayed with my parents because there was, it was like all the restaurants, they put like wooden planks on all the doors and windows

because they were all getting smashed and vandalized and everything. So. If you were living in a city at that time, I think it's just something that you like never had seen before. And it was just like, I never, I remember we just had a new baby

and it was the first time I felt like a protector over our family and I was like, oh man, like I am not prepared to take, like to protect or provide for our family if like just a couple things go wrong because you know, we weren't actually out of toilet paper. It was like the mass hysteria of people going and like saying, like, oh my gosh, we're gonna rent out

and then they all bought it. And so now if there's a supply change store, it's like, I've got warehouse full of toilet paper. Wait, underground? No. Wait, don't tell her. It's a secret. We'll tell you.

It's honestly, we laugh about it because it's like, I tried to start a prepper stash and like, I like, kind of would do a little bit and I honestly just bought a bunch of Tylenol and like, like, comes and like, really sticks. I'm like, great, we'll leave the toilet paper whenever we want to start. But then chat GB Tylenol and like, like, thumbs and like, really stupid things. I'm like, great, we'll get toilet paper whenever we're starting this. But then chat TBT came out and I was like,

hey, I'm a family of four, will you help me create a proper stash? And then I, That's sick. Okay, why the two-party system though? Because I know like, our boy George Washington was like, don't do the two parties, it's a bad idea. And then here we are, America with two parties.

It's like, wait, what about the middle ground? What about the person in the middle? What about a third party? Everyone's like, don't vote third party because then you're throwing your vote away. Yeah, so you just crossed the line. I can't talk about that. I don't really know.

I mean, you brought up George Washington. I'm like, okay, wait, this guy knows more than me. I was like, retreat, retreat, retreat. It is it? This is like shared. I sounded really good like five minutes ago. Aren't all dudes just like history nerds though? Like so many guys, like my college roommates, we were like doing a show.

So Danny likes history? Yeah, Danny loves history. But not because of like the politics of it, I just think it's fascinating. Yes, the story. The story. How we got it? It's just so crazy to me that like,

even when you read about like the wars that went on, how young they were. So I like envision like my kids or like, like being that age and having my spouse go out to, like it freaks me out. This girl's watched every World War II documentary known to men. No way.

Wait, Band of Brothers, have you seen it? Oh, of course. I love Band of Brothers. It's a fest, it's a fest. I love them all, honestly, there's not a, it's not a. That's one of the funniest quirks about you is you're like a huge history

Yeah, Abby's with that with like murder shows like she loves Game of Thrones She loves killing and movies, but I don't have you seen I don't really like worse stuff. Have you seen? Lover stalker killer no on Netflix. You got watching Netflix stuff. It's like a dog podcast I listen to documentary. Okay. Have to. Lover, stalker, killer? Yes. Oh my gosh. Sounds right in my alley. Hardcore history.

Back to prepping though. Oh sorry, what was your question? Have you ever listened to Hardcore History? I haven't. Oh you like it. But my buddy listens to this Revolutions podcast and it's just like hours of just really in deep like stuff you would never want to know about like our founding fathers and stuff I guess.

Yeah. Okay, preppers. Yeah yeah you're a prepper, but you don't have a bunker, why? I don't like this label. But maybe we do. I mean yeah. Do I have some time at all? Some iodine up in there, yeah.

We have some iodine. Some toilet paper and some non-perishable food stash, yes, am I a prepper, maybe. It's these labels. It's the labels I get to. Because you know these labels, they put you in a box and then soon I'm gonna be prepper and then I'm gonna be this guy

and then I'm gonna be this guy. I'm like, well, I really just have toilet paper. Let's be honest. I think I know. But yeah, what was your question? No, I'm just so, yeah. We have nothing. You guys need to do it.

I'm telling you. What are we preparing for? But think about it if like everybody ransacked the grocery stores again and then like, you don't have food. That's true. Or like, or it's not like somebody has a fever. That's gonna be warfare in the future you guys. Cause I think, think about this, okay?

World War II less than a hundred years ago. Yeah. And as scary as it is. This is where Matt loses me at this point. You cannot tell me that in the next thousand years there will not be another world war. There will not. It will just be look, it'll look very different.

Ever all these, all these people are poking each other right now. It's scary. It feels scary. And it's so effed up because it's just people in power taking advantage of the little guys. And then it's like, okay, you guys go and fight like Putin's not out here fighting in the war. He's making all people in Russia go fight. But in my mind, we're all going to be in the same boat. So it's just, but no, some of them will be trapped in some long.

They're going to have farms. Think about it, some people will have land and farms and food and like. You got a farm? No, it's in my, my, my, you gotta sell Divi first and then I'm going to get a massive farm. But I have a, well actually. Your friend Ellie wants to run a farm. She can. Yeah, but that's more because she doesn't like preservatives and stuff on her feet. That's true. Well, I don't either.

We want some, we would like some chickens. But I think that's how Warfield will be thought is I think you'll wipe out the opponent's supply chain and they'll have no way of getting toilet paper and food. People in the cities, so you think they're gonna just start farming in their apartment? You can't freaking do that.

No, what are they gonna do? I mean, you can have an herb garden in your apartment, you can't grow all the food you need and have a cow. I just like, I am rooting for the US of A. Okay, I wanted to be known. I am rooting for us. We're big business. But like, just government employees.

I'm just like, I don't know if I would trust you to run anything if I'm being honest. Like you guys just don't seem to like have things figured out. Like you don't talk to each other. So if the electrical grid goes out, I'm like, I would rather send my dad out there than the government to fix it, you know? Like, I'm just being honest.

It's more about like just like, I know what it takes to like run a good, efficient company. So I'm like, I just... Maybe you should run for president. I tell him that's all the time. Dude, no. He needs to be in politics. Think about the worst job, dude.

Think about the hate you get online. You'd get 100% more hate in politics. That would be horrible. These guys who run for president, these guys who run for president, they, you know, opposition research, we're basically the other party that's running against you. We'll just send teams of Gen Zers and to research

and find the most heinous things and spin and clip things of everything you put out on the internet. You know that how much ammo that all of us have given people? Like we are screwed if we run for office. Bro, they're gonna be like playing my like clip of Instagram story from six. Look at this crazy music video man, dude, when he was 25. And everyone's gonna be like,

dang that was like kinda good though. Like I kinda wanted to be my precedent. It's like. 25 and everyone's gonna be like dang that was like kind of good though Even this podcast they're gonna be able to click at his views 25 years ago when he was talking to Matt Navi Howard No, I it's sad because I think think a lot of people probably who get into politics probably have good intentions and then maybe they get swayed by, like you were saying, the audience thing, what was the audience? Audience capture and corruption, man. Yeah, corruption and all that. And I think like, you probably, like think about teachers, right?

So many teachers go in wanting to do good and it's like their first year and they're like, I'm gonna be a teacher, I'm gonna change the world and help all these kids. And then you're treated like crap. They're treated like horrible. And then you end up falling into the same place as other teachers before you because it's like, it's hard and life's not easy.

And I don't know, I just, yeah. I think people have really good intentions and then people can get swayed. Yeah, no, I agree, man. Matt for president. Matt for president. Matt for president. I can't run for office, but I think I can be a killer campaign manager.

Yeah, and you can write a song for your- Instagram husbandry has really trained me well to be a campaign manager. I can't be a first lady. Yes, you can. That's so good. I can see one of those blue power suits. With the Jackie Kennedy hat, you know?

Okay, do you have any theories on this though? We can cut this out if it's too far, but why have all the candidates been so controversial the past couple of elections? Like I feel like there's not been a candidate where people are like, you know, they have great morals and I love them. Which is like, is it the internet?

Yeah, I think it's the internet. I think it's like politics as entertainment at this point. Yeah. You know, it's like whoever. And think it's like politics as entertainment at this point. Yeah. It's like whoever. And just click baiting things to get the message across that people want to get across. Like there's campaigns like Settle for Blank. And there's campaigns like, well, he's really not

the best person, but I guess I'll vote for him because his values in some way kind of align with mine. I don't know. It's just like. I think the truth is so hard to get to with both sides at this point because there's so much clickbait and just the media system is based on ad dollars which come from what clicks.

And so it's like, if you're being fed what you want to hear or outrage culture for the most part, I think like the CNNs of the world are feeding like outrage to the left audience and the Fox News of the world are feeding outrage to the left audience and the Fox News of the world are feeding outrage to the right audience. Like, can you believe this teacher did this on Fox News and on the left?

It's like, far right winger did this. And it's like everyone's just like so, like there's no truth really in that. It's just like, and no one reads beyond the headline either. So it's like, I think it's just too hard to know what's going on. Like as passionate as I can be talking about this stuff,

I don't think I know what's going on. Like I think that there is like information warfare on both sides and it's just like, hey, like we're kind of all just like here trying to figure out what's going on. I wouldn't know how to. And what scares me too is we have had news articles, not like we're, yeah, we're not like some celebrity or anything,

we've had articles written about us, and there's been information in those articles that's untrue, and I'm like, okay, if this, if Business Insider says that we bought a house in Hawaii, yet we didn't buy a house in Hawaii, we literally just rented for a year while we lived there, then how can I trust like all these reputable platforms that are saying these things?

Like, I don't know, because then it just, I just have trust issues with the news. It scares me. But I think that like, we talk about this a lot. I mean, back then, you know, those two years or three years of the internet, it's like cancel culture was so scary, right? It was like, oh my gosh, like I,

something could be written about me that's untrue and like this whole mob of an audience is gonna come after me. Like, I don't know if y'all feel this, but like we kind of feel like canceled culture. Like the, the almost the internet and the audience has become sophisticated at least enough to know that there's like not facts being written about everything. And so-

That was the one good thing that came out of like 2020, 2021. Yeah, I've never seen shame be weaponized And so- That was the one good thing that came out of like 2020, 2021. Yeah, I've never seen shame be weaponized the way that it did in 2020 through 2023. And really if you want to know what it's playing on, it's playing on our deep shame, right? As a people, it's like you're this or you're that. And it's like, no, I'm not, no, I'm not. And people weren't like, people didn't have like the right discernment

or tools to know what was true. Like I had, this didn't happen to me personally, but there was like a brand that I was working with. It was a razor brand I was working with. And people were going over to like this razor brand's Instagram and tagging people saying this person made a certain comment about, you know, whether it was the vaccine or this or that,

and immediately the razor company would reply and say, thank you for letting us know we will be canceling our contract. Just from like one call, or no fact, and publicly wrote that on their Instagram. And I'm like, you're listening to some Karen up in, wherever, who knows where she lives, and immediately that person was canceled.

And I actually lost one of my contracts during that season from the same thing, where nobody ever did any research to look into what meant what. But immediately, I think everyone was just kind of scared, and no one knew how to find the truth. We would literally go to in that era, because we saw the, you guys were raised in that era. We saw a time that was more peaceful before the war time of those years. And I remember we would go to bed like legitimately

we would go to bed and I would be like we survived another day. Like it was just like truly every day it was like I don't know what crazy thing is gonna spin up and happen and I just didn't Man, it's like PTSD. I'm like I start crying on the podcast like clip this Mac Man, I'm so sorry that you guys went through that see we're just We're out here dancing Yeah, I was like oh my gosh those that I can't believe to do the dance background. I do yes I have both took dance all growing up

Well you said some dance term earlier. What was it the foot and I was like this guy. This guy knows yeah, I tap dance, too I haven't I missed tap dancing dude. Sometimes, I was like, this guy knows. I tap dance too. I miss tap dancing, dude. Sometimes when I'm like, should we do a dance class together again? Sometimes I'll just start tapping. Like whenever, I'll be bored, I'll be like, maybe I'll just start tapping. Did you guys know that you're in the presence

of a state champion, Texas Western swing dancing? Country Western swing dancing. No way. Country Western swing dancing. No way. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah, it's a very Texas thing. That's cool. It was pretty much all the girls that didn't make cheerleading.

And then the football players. And so a lot of it was actually stunts. Like throwing the girls up and doing flips and stuff. But it was really fun. Because then we also, like if you go to school in Texas, like you got to know how to swing the end. Do you know King and Queen of Country Swing on TikTok? They're our friends who like, they throw each other a lot of the time.

And then they're like, oh, I'm going to go to school. And then they're like, oh, I'm going to go to school. And then they're like, oh, I'm going to go to school. And then they're like, oh, I'm going to go to school. And then they're like, oh, I'm going to go to school. And then they're like, oh, I'm going to go to school. And then they're like, oh, I'm going to go to school. And then they're like, oh, I'm going to go to school.

And then they're like, oh, I'm going to go to school. And then they're like, oh, I'm going to go to school. And then they're like, oh, I'm going to go to school. And then they're like, oh, I'm going to go to school. And then they're like, oh, I'm going to go to school. And then they're like, oh, I'm going to go to school. And then they're like, oh, I'm going to go to school. And then they're like, oh also, like if you go to school in Texas, like you gotta know how to, how to swing dance. Do you know King and Queen of country swing on TikTok? They're our friends who like, they throw each other in the air. They do all these crazy stunts. Yeah. That was, that's what I did.

Okay, that's so sad. Were you the one that they just chucked in the air? Yeah. I mean, yeah. But it's also like all the football players. So it's like all the girls are getting tossed. Like, you know. The other, the thing about me is like, when I watched you guys during COVID dancing,

I don't dance at all. Like, I don't dance at all, but like, if you wanna ask me my favorite genre of movies, it's break dancing movies. Step up two, step up three. I've never seen those actually. Stomp the yard, you would love them. They're amazing.

And it's like, I have this like alter ego in me where it's like, like, I really want, I really want to be that and I can't do it. I just like, I can't. We should do a class together. So this is really sweet. I tried. I brought an instructor to our house.

It did not go well. I know, you all. Listen, this is so sweet. So it was during 2020, I'm pregnant. And TikTok comes up. It's probably you guys dancing on their feet. And we're like, crap. Like who is this guy Matt Howard?

I'm like out of all the things about where I'm at and dance. And like, you know, we're trying to like keep up with the times, like innovate. I'm like, babe, we gotta get out here and be dancing. So every Thursday at like two o'clock, I'm like, Jordan starts disappearing. And I'm like, where is he? Like, but I'm working from home doing

Trown Halls or whatever. I find out that he goes to hip hop classes. He has hired a dance teacher, private lessons every Thursday at two. And if he came back to show me what he was learning, oh my God, it was the sweetest thing ever. But this boy has no rhythm, but I love him. I asked you on our podcast, I said,

did you ever have a midlife, or a crisis when you had your first child but I love them. I asked you on our podcast, I said, did you ever have a midlife, or a crisis when you had your first child? Yes. That was mine. I signed up for one-on-one hip hop classes with Phil. He hit you hard. Literally, he's a club site.

I found him on thumbtack. He was tied. He literally learned how to do this. He was the only listing for hip hop coach on thumbtack. Guys, we need to do a TikTok dance. The thumbtack is all like candy work. Wait, hold up. We need to do a TikTok dance. We can put it on Reels too. We have to do a dance together now. Like now that I know that you've a TikTok dance.

We can put it on Reels too. We have to do a dance together now. Like now that I know that you've literally taken dance. Dude, I'm sweating. You can try. But he has literally no rhythm. No, it's true. I love him.

But yeah, we can try. No, let's not. Just bust out the tap dancing. Y'all do some choreographed country's western tap dance ballet thing. I'm not really a great dancer either. Let's just not get it twisted. I mean, I'm not really, I mean, I think the reason that they did well

is because people liked seeing us as a couple. Just how dancing isn't real dancing. Yeah, it's not, it's not real. Oh, too. You guys know Bryce Hall? I'm not personally, I know. We actually saw him in person one time. Yes, actually, we were at this,

like we live close to LA now, so every once in a while we'll go over if we get invited to an event and we were at an event and I was I was like, holy frick, that's Bryce Hall right next to me. I've heard about this dude. He's like a boxer now or whatever. So that was kind of... Yeah, one time I was with my friend in LA, and I ended up at a poker game at his house. Wait, what?

Yeah, it was the most bizarre night I've ever had in my life. But yeah, he's actually a nice kid. Really? Yeah. I mean, he a actually nice kid. Really? Yeah. I mean, he's 18 and making a lot of money. I think he's 18. I think he's like 23. He's probably was 18.

24. Yeah, he's 23. 23 and yeah, I mean. That's when you say that. He's living in Hawaii. I'm sure you have heard of the Hype House before. But before we did a TikTok, I had heard of the Hype House.

And one time we were just like getting out to eagles. And we and I'm like, that's the whole entire freaking Hype House. In the back of a truck. In the back of a truck. And I'm like, no, this is me. I was like Matt, that's the Hype House. Don't say anything. Next thing you know, Matt's out of the car. He's like, hey.

Hey, what's up? Matt and Abby. Hey, hi. We're on TikTok too. I was like, oh my. I just love to meet people. Yeah, yeah. I just thought it was cool that they were in Hawaii.

Matt's the person on the plane where I can hear him. So if we get split up and he's like getting this person's life story every other day. That's great quality. You have some really good conversations with people, especially Uber drivers, dude. They're always like, people from all over the world and I just love to hear their story and where they're from

and like why they move to the US and it's just it's cool to know people's story and it's just you learn something new every time. Yeah, you're very friendly. That's good. That's a great quality. It's good to know people's story and it's just you learn something new every time. Yeah. Yeah, you're very friendly Yeah, that's good. That's a golden retriever. Yeah, I get that vibe Yeah What was I gonna say I got oh conspiracy theories. Okay, hold up. Have we not already done these math? I feel Abby was like listen to their podcast like Jordan has some conspiracy theories on stuff

So I'm like wait does he balloon does he believe that we I'm not I'm really to their podcast, like Jordan has some conspiracy theories on stuff. So I'm like, wait, does he believe that we- He's not a conspiracist. I'm really not a conspiracist. So I'm curious, like, do you think that we made it onto the moon? Are you the guy that's like, the moon landing never happened? Like, what type of conspiracies do you believe? Yeah, I'm not like all of them, I'm gonna be honest. Like, I think it's like a lot of times, me and my friends, we like to laugh about them.

Because it's like, it's like, how do I say this? It's like watching a TV show. Like you don't want to think about how it's made. You just kind of want to be like, this is fun. This is funny. And so I feel like a lot of times like our friends will like send funny conspiracies back and forth to each other.

And it's always like the good ones are like the ones that are so crazy, but it's like, oh wait, like, do aliens, wait, like Taylor Swift being in the Illuminati, or like, you know. Or that Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey are actually like. Like hired, yeah. Like plants, those are all like funny. Like I don't really believe in a lot of those things,

but I will say this whole alien thing, I'm not saying I'm in on it, like I understand it, but I'm like, there's some pretty sus things here. Bruh, my buddy was telling me about a Joe Rogan podcast where he interviewed this guy who was like the person that the White House had as a consultant or something about it all. And I don't believe it, but I was like, okay,

like maybe there is something here. And just, I don't know, I haven't listened to the podcast with this alien dude. Yeah, it's really funny. It's like, there's so much on the alien stuff that I just don't know. Hey, real quick, I don't wanna waste your time, so I'll keep this super brief.

But over the past year, we have grown this podcast from zero subscribers to over half a million. I honestly never thought that would happen. This podcast was really just a side project, just something that we thought might be kind of fun to do on the side. And now it's become a really big part of what we do. And I cannot thank you enough. I've put over 2000 hours of work into this show. And it really means a lot that you're here, and I have two asks for you. One, please share this podcast with somebody that you think it would provide value to.

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Ask the questions that you wanna ask. Even just like topics that you want us to talk about. I wanna make this show the best it can be for you guys. Cause it's just fun for me to be honest. I really enjoy doing this. So thank you so much for being here. It really means a lot. Let's get back to the episode.

Dude, honestly, who knows? Like, I mean, I'm like 50% that aliens are just like a Psyop to like distract us. And I'm 50% of like, kind of makes sense. Like, I mean, it kind of adds up if you put them together. You know, I have no idea. And like, I mean, we're like Christians. And so I don't know how to reconcile that.

Like a lot of the, the pastor community believes that like aliens would be like demonic Yeah, and I'm like big I Believe in like spiritual warfare and stuff like that. So I'm like, okay. Well, I don't know how this connects But yeah, hold up wasn't that a thing though with okay? It was either Galileo or one of the astronomers back in the day Matt You're just showing me up now. No, no, no, hey, hold up looking smart before Look like a fool on your own podcast.

I forget, I don't want to say it wrong, but there's someone that studied the stars back in the day, and by studying the stars, they realized that the whole universe wasn't just revolving around the earth, because everybody in the religious communities was like, or the Catholic Church was like, yes, the earth is the center of the universe, the sun revolves around the earth,

and everything revolves around the earth, because God made it, and so it just makes sense, right? It fits that narrative and so when this astronomer or whoever, I don't know, I think it was Galileo, might have been somebody else. You're going to get annihilated if it's not Galileo. Whoever it was, this is true though. They didn't, they like held off on releasing that information and then I think right before they died, they ended up saying effort

I'm gonna die anyway here. They published their findings and it made the Catholic Church really mad, but it was like hey look Here's the facts the earth is not center of the universe the Sun doesn't revolve around the earth Yeah, we actually orbit the Sun and so do all the other planets. Here's my this is where I will leave the conspiracy theory comment is like, okay where I will leave the conspiracy theory comment is like, okay, the whole idea of conspiracy theories is that someone knows something that we don't. There is something that we are not being told. Okay, like back to the electrical grid breaking and my dad going to fix it versus the government,

you're telling me that over several layers of the government, people can keep a secret this large for that long. No shot, no shot. And so that's why conspiracies are just like, it's like a fun, it's a fun hobby. It's like reading fiction or listening to a true crime podcast. It's like funny and it's like we all try and connect dots.

But like at the end of the day, I think that there's like this side where it's like, we all know Bigfoot's not real, but it's like, let's just laugh about it. That's honestly a really good point That's the same point that Dr. Mike made when I asked about is there a cure for cancer because he's like okay Do you really think yeah, like think about how much money's in Big Pharma if one of these companies found the cure? Bro, they would be they're making trillions and yeah, exactly dollars. Yeah, why would they keep that?

They'd be like we found it. We'll patent whatever I don't know if you can patent a cure for cancer, but they would figure out a way to do it. And then they'd be like, we're gonna be the trillionaires now that we just freaking figured it out. I think a lot of conspiracy is like, like this whole idea of the Illuminati, right? It's like, we have asked people in LA connected to Kardashians and all them, we're like,

hey, is this real? And they're like, is it like an orchestrated, like organized thing? Probably not. Like I think most of the time it's an orchestrated, like, organized thing? Probably not. Like, I think most of the time it's informal networks, but I think conspiracy theory is like, actually just incompetence package is like really strategic thing.

I'm like, yeah, that's awesome if six 50 year old men got into a room and created this grand conspiracy to do this, but like, I just don't trust the competence to be able to like actually carry out a strategy. So I think it's like, most of conspiracy is like, what you think is conspiracy or orchestrated is just actually incompetence.

Well dude, honestly, it's kind of like Reddit. Like I don't go on there just for my mental health because I'm like, I don't want to read me. But it's funny what people come up with is like, I don't know how the frick you came up with that. There was somebody that thought we had planned our unplanned pregnancy and I'm like, if I was that smart to think about that.

Yeah, great, exactly. That's a great example. Like, yeah, the conspiracies that happen on those type of forums is like, it's crazy. It's like, I couldn't even have concocted this strategy if you wanted me to. Yeah, like even the amount of times that I've been told that I'm pregnant,

I'm like, I'm not. Like, and people tell you this is what's happening. I'm like, where did that, if that's the narrative that people, what else are they saying? If you have so many pieces of a puzzle, you can kind of put it together into whatever picture you want it to be.

100%. And so it's like, it's hard to fight it. Yeah. But if you're on the receiving end of a conspiracy, like let's say like. Yeah, what are conspiracy theories about you guys? What are they? Well that we were in the Illuminati.

That was the most recent. Oh that's a new one. I was flattered when I was on that one. Okay, let's ask a question. Are you in the Illuminati? I can't tell you. I don't even know what the Illuminati is. What is the Illuminati?

I think about Nile. It's the group of Hollywood elites that are like they have all what do they take a blood oath or something? I mean I don't think it's like a blood, but yeah, they basically oh yeah Wait, I think you're here for a secret society for a little bit. You are? Okay Honestly, I'm listening. I will put it out there. I will put it out there that it could have been the lowest level, the entry point of the Illuminati. It probably wasn't though.

It probably wasn't. It's probably like a wanna be Illuminati. So the story here, here's the story, is that out of nowhere one day, I get an email and it's like, hey, we understand that you are a person of influence connected to Danny Austin. I was like, you're reaching out to me and not Danny.

This is great. Well, it was a men's group. It was a men's group. No, there's some females in there. What? I didn't get invited. Sorry, you were invited. They didn't trust you.

Well, God, I would have told everybody. So I needed to be known that I was, I needed to be known that I was never in a fraternity and I really feel like this has damaged me into adulthood because I always wanted to be part of some group or brother. It was the Christian fraternity. You were in a Christian fraternity for two two semesters. So I got this email and it was like,

hey, you know, you've been selected show up to this call, et cetera. So I get a call and it's a real person on the other end. Some old guy it sounds like. And he starts asking me all these questions. He knows some information, but it's like the information he knows is probably like about like things that could have been found on the internet.

So I'm like, okay, interesting. And he's like, we are vetting you to be a part of this group. Like we wanna know if you're interested. And I was like, well, who's in the group? And he's like people of influence, New York Times best sellers, like writers. And he's like, for seven easy payments of 9.99. Oh no.

Okay. No. Oh gosh. No payment yet. And then he sent, so I go through like three rounds of like process that they orchestrated. Is it all phone calls? All phone calls, never meet anyone in person.

And, you know, he basically kind of like describes it as like, we have this formula for success. This is the, these are the success principles that have been passed down from the Rockefellers and all this and I'm like, okay, I'm like in, like we're like 21 at the time. I'm like, this is good for my career. Like I need to do this.

I'm doing this for my family. And no, no, like truly I ended up in a group with, there were probably like 16 other people. It was all virtual because this was during COVID. So I think that most of them were based in LA and I even got a coin. I've told this story. They sent me a coin and the way that you knew

that there were other members in this society was you would do a coin check and so you would like, if you felt like they were in your side, you could say coin check and you would pull out the coin and put it down. And so I got rid of the coin like two years ago, but. Where'd you get, throw it away? Yeah, you know.

Joe Joni to Goodwill. So I went and then I got into some of their education tracks and it was like kind of like good information, but it was like, and it was all like read by this narrator that was like, this is information that's been passed down from like generation to generation. And I was like, I'm pretty sure this is a scam, but I'll give it two more sessions.

And I ended up just quitting because- But it wasn't a scam. It was, here's what I think it was truly, is I think it was like really good for I think it was really good for solo entrepreneurs and small business owners. It was kind of like a Tony Robbins type of motivational thing, but sort of marketed as a secret society. How they found me, I don't know.

The other people in it, I will be honest, weren't super legit, but maybe it was the lowest ring of the Illuminati, if I would just stuck with it. I'd have been hanging out with Lady Gaga right now. So I don't know. I have an assignment for you. You need to go back. I just can't. He's definitely been kicked out. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no The word will get out if you're telling people that you're like, you know going in undercover So you have to record all the episodes. This is like four I wish the the hardest part is I don't even know what it's called. I forgot it was like four or five years ago

Yeah, but it's a funny story. That's so funny. Yeah, actually when you told that story on our podcast I had a lot of people DM me and say my husband's in that too Yeah Wow, so it's not the alumni. Yeah. It was Beyonce who DM'd me. That was so funny, babe. That was good. I've been asking a lot of questions.

What questions do you have for... I guess I kind of just want to know what your day-to-day is like with being parents, having massive business, under the public eye a lot. what does that look like also your marriage and everything yeah Okay day to day we're both kind of early risers y'all wake up early Yes, yes, we are now we wake up as late as possible like as soon as our first Kid like our baby needs to eat and then Abby will pumps off you the baby. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're up at five, we'll go back to bed. Yeah. Yeah, that's so nice.

Yeah, so I work out first thing we both do, six 30 or six, then they get the get the babies up. We start really strict at like 9am to 5pm. Like we work like a normal nine to five and we have a team. They actually used to meet at our house, but they don't meet here as much anymore. But from nine to five, we are pumping out content, or on phone calls or meetings. And it's like as soon as five o'clock rolls around, we're both really strict, don't call us, don't text us.

We usually don't even film after five, anything. It's family time. And so then just rinse and repeat. We also have been traveling a lot. I know y'all travel a lot for your podcast. We've been traveling a lot more. But just trying to find that balance of like saying no to more opportunities. It's hard because I feel like I say no to a lot of things, but I get excited about so many

opportunities. So, but being a mom too and like having kids that are older, like now Stella's like, mommy, like, can she'll be like, can you put your phone down? You know, and so like she's, because she's here after she goes to school With shot and they go to school from 9 to 12 But like I'm still working from 12 to 5 and so they come home before they do nap time We put them down for a nap like sometimes I'm still posting a brand deal or a posting something She'll be like mommy can you and it's so hard sometimes? I'm like man. I wish that I wasn't working from home so that she didn't see this But then I'm also like oh, but I love working from home because I can just be with her you know so um so like y'all were saying too like I think that things are

going to change like with how we run our business how we create content as our kids get older too it's just like just being aware of like what's going on. I know how you feel though because I'll I think the same thing oh I should have an office and I can be more focused and then come home and be fully present. But then I'm in my office and then I hear, da, da, da, da, da. Give me a grip and a whole shout out to the door. I'm like, da, da, da. It melts my heart. I love it.

So it's just like, I'm not gonna get called da, da in my office if I get an office space. I have to go out. And Stella's new thing right now is she takes forks and slides them through my office. And I'm like, I can't not respond to the fork. Like I have to go. She just takes all the utensils, kitchen utensils

and slides them through. Cause I actually, it's so funny, like my office is downstairs and it didn't have a lock on the door before. But I'm also like, I do like a lot of trial and hauls and stuff and I'm like, okay, people are like in and out of a house and like, I got to stop walking out. I mean, make it. Like this is not okay.

Okay. And so, but like, so I finally got a deadbolt literally put into the floor of my office because I was so sick of being walked in on. And, but like now it's deadbolted. So my kids just know like it's time to stick stuff through the deadbolt. Like that's what they do. That's what they do.

They don't even like try to get in anymore. They're starting sliding Do you guys like work any other? Oh, I love it so much. Yeah, I mean we for like I mean we talked about this earlier But like for two years it felt like we didn't get to work together as much because it was like we had to divide and conquer Like she was like so doing her thing that I was over at Divi and we missed it Yeah, I feel like it's just like if you kind of find a rhythm and it's not really a job What we all do is more of a lifestyle. Yeah, like I really missed it. I feel like it's just like, if you kind of find a rhythm and it's not really a job, what we all do is more of a lifestyle. I'm like, I really missed the lifestyle. I think if you're willing to listen to each other

and work on things to not be stubborn, then it makes it fun. But if we're like both stubborn in our ways, it's not fun. Because then you just put it heads. But I think it forces you to learn in your marriage to deal with conflict faster than most can. Like, I mean, I can't just disappear and go to my nine to five for four days straight and we fight on a Monday and talk on a Friday to reconcile it. It's like, okay, we have like an hour before we record.

So like, let's figure this out. Do you guys ever get uncomfortable when you get recognized in public? No, um, everyone that we meet in public is so like, they're honestly, I've become friends with a lot of people that I meet in public? No. Everyone that we meet in public is so like, honestly, I become friends with a lot of people that I meet in public. They're just so normal and nice and kind and supportive. And it actually really helps me put things into perspective whenever I meet people in person. Because I'm like, oh my gosh, it's not just

a little icon on Instagram. I'm like, you're real. And you're so sweet. And I love you. And the fact that you support me means the world and so it's always like, I love to do like events with my audience where like maybe we'll give out like 30 tickets

and go see a show or something and you know, sometimes that could be a little overwhelming cause you're hanging out with like 30 strangers but I'm like, I need to do this because like, I love connecting with these people and it like drives me and it ends up being so fulfilling. Why do I get nervous still? Like I've been doing this for four years.

They're nervous to say how to me. I'm like, I'm nervous for you to say how to me. I'm like, I'm nervous. They want a picture. I'm like, okay, I still get so nervous. I'm a little anxious and I feel like sometimes people probably don't understand that side of it. That we're just human, dude.

And if I'm by myself and I'm not with Abby, I'm like, okay, like when it's with Abby, they go in the middle and we both put our arm around them. But like with just me, I don't wanna be, like I wanna be nice and friendly, but I don't wanna be weird and like put my arm around them for a picture and then for it to be like perceived the wrong way.

So then sometimes I'm just like, do the peace sign in the picture. They're like this monster. And then there have been, I don't know, it's just like I get nervous, I don't get it. I do too. Yeah, it's hard. That's a good thing probably.

It's different for you because like, you have like your own brand too. Like I don't really have that, like I'm just Danny's like, I'm connected to Danny. I think- No, people say hi, but not as much. And so it's like, I would feel what you feel. No, no, it's good too, bro.

Like a lot of times it's like, oh my gosh, Matt, so good to see you. Where's Abby? Yeah, right, right, right. Yeah. I'm like, sorry, Danny's at home. Like, do you want me to call her? Or like what?

It is funny because Jordan is, he's so sweet and he can go like so deep in conversation, but you're, it's a little tougher for you to do like the initial, like soft talk, what do you call it? Like small talk? Small talk, yeah. Yeah.

And so sometimes I feel like people come up to you and you feel very uncomfortable. Yeah, I just, I feel like I'm kind of selective about who I wanna go deep with, you know? So yeah, it's hard. I don't really know. I don't know how to react. He's like, hi. I'm like, babe, be warm.

Like say, ask him a question. He's like, you know, like it's so different. That's funny. You guys plan on having baby number three anytime soon. That's a good question. Yeah, I went to really bad. Oh, really? Yeah.

I don't know how soon, but like I went to really bad. Oh, really? Yeah. I don't know how soon, but like, I want maybe this year. Oh my gosh. Like try for baby number three or like have the baby this year. Well, is that even possible? I think you could. If you tried right now, you probably could. No, no, not right now, not right now.

Okay. It's hard because it's like we, you know, and I'm sure you guys feel this too. It's like you get that amnesia effect where it's like, oh man, we just stabilized our life. Life is so good. Life is so easy. That wasn't really that hard. And like I'm just scared to underplay how hard pregnancy and all that stuff is. Yeah, I just want, I want so many more babies. It's just the pregnancies that are a little scary for me. Actually, it's more to the postpartum that are scary. Yeah. But yeah, maybe. Listen, if we see y'all again, you never know. How do you guys, oh, sorry, I'm asking that are scary or creepy. But yeah, maybe. We'll see. That's cool.

Maybe we see it all again. You never know. How do you guys, oh sorry, I'm asking a follow up question. How do you, because we got pregnant by surprise, so like how are you? They kind of did too. We did too. Oh, you did?

So were you just, were you just? I was seven months postpartum. Oh, seven months. Pool game? Yeah, did you see the pool game? Pool game's strong. My pool game was not strong. Clearly yours was me.

I know, you failed. I actually heard another couple that. So bad. Another couple that the pool game did not work, but which yours was needed. I know, you failed. I actually heard another couple that, So bad. Another couple that the pool game did not work, but which is so funny, it always works for us. No, no, no, it didn't work because he didn't pull. Yeah, he didn't pull. Okay, so neither did he.

And I knew immediately after I was so upset after, I was like, what the heck? Like we didn't talk about this. And but it was already too far gone. And he was like, it's not gonna already too far gone. And he was like, it's not gonna happen for one time. And I was like, yes, that's what they teach you.

And helps out. It was like, what? It was like, I was like, oh, that's what they teach you. And no guys at high school. Pullout method does not work period.

And it's scary how many like guys in college just think, oh, pullout came strong. We knew it didn't work. No, we knew that. But like people legitimately think that it's going to game strong. We knew it didn't work. No, we knew that. But like people legitimately think that it's going to work for them and it doesn't. So are y'all off the pool game then?

Like you've switched? Okay, I have an IUD. Oh, so you have, copper IUD? No, I have Kylina. So my- No, Morena. I had a copper IUD twice and my body rejected it. And now that I've had babies, I know what was happening.

I basically went into like labor with this IUD, the most painful. I went into contractions for hours. My body was basically just rejecting it. But this was when we were engaged and I finally got it taken out. But the reason I like the copper IUD, it was non-hormonal, because the marina, whatever,

is hormonal. And I didn't want it to affect my hormones because birth control and hormone stuff, it throws me. I'm a different person. I wanna feel like it makes me more stable. It probably does, I've heard. Oh yeah, you don't get your period anymore. Yeah.

You don't talk about hormonally too. Yeah, no, I've heard both sides. Sometimes it helps with acne or whatever. Yes, yes. But mine, so I wanted the copper one. Well, I got it, my body rejected it, and then I don't know, I was thinking, a week later I went and got it put back in. So I was like, well, wanted the copper one. Well, I got it, my body rejected it, and then I was thinking, a week later, I went and got it put back in.

So I was like, well, this needs to work. And then it happened again. But now that I've had babies, I'm like, that was the same exact pain. It's literally going through labor. No. And so that one's out for us. And then, you know.

But it's also like, I want to have four kids. So I gotta have four kids. We it's like, we're wild cards. We're just flying by the seat of our family. You're saying like literally right now you're doing pull out. Yeah. We have like four. You guys are risky man.

You know, he's like to live like on the edge. I don't know, this is too personal, but this is like very interesting. It's like, I don't know how you feel about this, but it's like harder sometimes to do the pool game because it takes so much mental strength. It's almost like I have to like, bro, I have to focus so hard.

So what you gotta do is just use condoms at first. I know. Condom sucks. He would never. I know, honestly, I've thought about it. He'd only come out one time in my life, and he didn't. Bro, here's the thing though, at first condoms suck. I'm sorry, we're crazy.

But then after, You guys are nuts. After a few times know bro. Here's the thing though at first Few times bro if it feels the same after a few times with condoms seriously Let me let me give an example though like let's pretend And it's okay. It's so much better without condoms obviously like let me let's talk about like okay diet coke versus regular coke. I drink diet coke like more often now than regular coke and everyone's like oh my gosh the real stuff's much better which it is but if all you're drinking is a diet stuff and you're not used to the taste and flavor of the real stuff then you're like oh this is really really good.

I'm so sorry we just met them. No it's okay this is honestly like this is probably the most valuable part of the podcast. I feel like Matt is the like this is probably the most valuable part of the The guys are probably like this is good You just gotta do it and you gotta just like make it happen Yeah, dude, I considered us like I could just get this nip and then like get it redone if we want to have more I thought this is what happens I thought about saying it but but it's not 100% accurate. So like if you get this snip,

you're not guaranteed that if you get the reverse surgery that it can make you be able to have kids again. I don't want to risk that. Don't risk that. It's not worth it. But I don't want to just expect Abby to do everything because that's wrong. I know that's fine.

Oh you get a five UV and I have nothing. Dude, I feel that. I feel like it's selfish. I'm like, if I, after how much pain you went through. I was like, I can't ask you to do that I was like this it's on me. I have to be mentally strong I have to just focus and make sure that I don't You're back on condoms. Sorry, no, no, no, no, sorry. You don't have to be, yeah, yeah.

Just IED. Do you want to have more babies? I don't know. I want more babies. I would have been, period. And period, yeah, I don't know what will happen. Like we've, we can talk about this. We've talked about like, Matt's done,

he'd be happy with two. I would love more than two, but I feel like I feel content with what we have. Yeah, totally. Matt, I'm ordering some condoms on Amazon right now. Stop it, Ryne. Wait, actually, we actually do that stuff. I'll tell you, you should also use our Amazon.

Make sure to order. The awkward thing is I can't order any of that stuff to our house, because our team runs. That is so funny. That is a problem, yeah. I know what that's like. Well, how do you do things for me. But that is so funny. That is a problem. Yeah, we. Well, how do you do things for me? Well, you guys, thank you so much for being on the podcast. This is so much fun.

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Super happy for you guys. Very inspired by your success. And yeah, it's just so cool to have these conversations. Thank you for being open about everything. So everything so that was like really cool thanks for having us of course all right thanks we also say peace out dudes at the end okay okay three two one peace out dudes