The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby - Devin & Hunter Cordle on Waiting Until Marriage, Postpartum Depression & Getting Hate Online

Episode Date: March 8, 2023

We sat down and chatted with the wonderfully hilarious Devin & Hunter Cordle who came to stay in an Airbnb with us in Hawaii. In this episode, we discussed the Cordle's experiences with postpartum depression, waiting until marriage and how they deal with hate online. Make sure to rate our podcast and leave a review if you can, it really helps us out!

Two weeks after he had Ivy, they do that little survey about your mental health basically. The lady called me, she was like, Devon, are you depressed? And I just like cried on the phone with her. And I was like, I think so. I don't want to overstep here, but did you guys wait till marriage? We did. We did. The most disciplined thing we've ever had to do.

About a year ago, you were like asking how, I was like, how do you handle the hate comments? And I remember you said, honestly, like I said, as it is, you get numb to it. And that is so true. Hey, before we get started, don't forget to leave a review on Apple Podcast. It really helps us out.

You can even do that on Spotify. Just tap the five-star button. And if you can, just leave us a sentence, it would really mean a lot. Thanks. What's up, dudes? And welcome back to the unplanned podcast. That intro will never not feel cheesy honestly.

I know. You guys, we literally went number four on Spotify podcasts as of today. So round of applause, that's freaking awesome. Thank you guys for making that happen. Yeah, thanks. Is that for like, the US? Yeah, number four in the US.

That's amazing. Like we're gaining on Joe Rogan. He's number one right now. Oh my gosh. As of the day, we're filming this. And we're super excited to have Devon and Hunter Cordell on the podcast. Social media, sensations.

They're on TikTok, they're on YouTube, they're on Instagram, we'll put their ads here on on the screen. You're too sweet. Too nice. Thank you for having us. We're all together. Oh my gosh.

We're so stoked. We're in Hawaii right now, which is super exciting. Our kids are asleep and we're trying to get this Pog test. It's currently almost 10 30. This is our second try. You can't do this during the day because we have babies and they need our attention during the day, but at night they still need our attention sometimes. So we might be starting and stopping a little bit, but thanks for bearing with us. Oh yeah, it's honestly fun to be with other parents because we don't have to stop and apologize a lot. We're like, we get it to now, you know?

Yeah, that is nice. I was telling Matt, when we were waiting for you guys at the airport here, I was like, Devon and Hunter are one of the few people I get like so excited to see. Like I like a lot of people obviously, but like to actively like get so excited. So sweet. I was just like waiting like a dog at the window like we've all been called the vagant kids.

No, literally did though though. Yes, I think. But I think we told you all before, but before we ever blew up on TikTok, like we walked y'all, you know? Yeah. And so, and I told Hunter I was like we're gonna be friends with them one day. That's crazy. It's actually it's actually really funny because the week before like last week like

before we came to hang out with you guys I had a Snapchat memory pop up and when we Face Tom y'all the first time I took a picture. No way. Yeah, really just, yeah, really for, yeah. That was the year ago. That was the year ago. Yeah, it was a year ago. Yeah. That's insane, guys. Yeah, it was crazy.

So that was just a couple days ago. You got to remember me. Yes, literally, it probably less than a week ago. Yeah. Yeah. I know. So it's just like a full circle moment. So that's what I mean.

Did it, not only did we, were we excited to be friends with y'all? Because I was like, it's gonna happen one day. But y'all are just, go above and be on like, to meet that like friendship. I don't know, y'all are just really cool people. Thank you. You're so genuine. So, what we'll see on the internet,

honestly, doesn't even compare to how really good of a people y'all are. For sure, you guys. I was literally about to say the same thing. Cause like, you guys, I feel like you have such good like positive, hilarious energy. There's like, like in your videos. I like, there is no way that people can actually

be like that in real life. And then you meet the two of you and you guys that are like, I could just watch you guys. Oh, I'm just entertaining. And the way you interact is just, it's hilarious. I don't laugh harder with any, another couple, I don't think. I leave here with my face hurting after being with you. Like us four together.

Like I wish the people that are watching this and stuff just could be a fly on the wall. Yeah. And just some of our conversations. That probably doesn't trouble us. Or totally. I'm so dumb. We don't live in the same state Like we haven't seen each other in three months. We're finally back together

So one of us has to move. Yeah, we're just keep going on really cool vacations Like I actually wanted to talk about our trip to Sedona because we have literally known you guys for like two days And we just shared We're out for like two days and we just shared a hotel. Yeah, back in May of 2022, Abby was like super pregnant and we legit just went on all these hikes in Sedona with Devon and Hunter and I think we put you guys to the ringer. Like we did some pretty big hikes. Yeah. Yeah, we did.

You guys don't really like hiking that much, huh? No. It's not that we don't like it, but we've never done it. So when we were kids, we never traveled anywhere to do it. Our parents never did it. There's nowhere to do it where we live. So it's just. In Alabama.

Right. It's because we live in the South Alabama. Like in North Alabama, it's kind of mountainous. Not really like y'all are used to, but. So anyways, y'all give us a lot of experiences. I just think it's funny that we share it. I think so too. Oh my god. And I remember, I just think it's funny that we shared a whole channel. I think so too.

Oh my god. And I remember I think we were just laying in bed talking to each other with the lights and we were like, hey, good night. But that's how I knew like it was just a really good friendship because it was nothing was awkward or weird. Like right away we were, I mean, that was just hilarious. Oh yeah, remember the battery guy. What was his name like Marty? I don't know.

Oh, yeah. That is definitely had to be Marty. Yeah, so that was me. I was just a real year. The guy just like Matt had told him that the air conditioner or the thermostat or something wasn't working. And then there was like an intent to knock at the door. And then he just burst.

I thought he was gonna give us the batteries. Like, hey, swap him out, throw the old ones away. He's like, like as soon as we open the door, he's like, oh, he's not gonna talk in real time. He's straight all the way back. It's all the way back at the back of the room, Matt in the shower, I'm like, he's gonna walk out in like a dollar,

something to do. Yeah, honestly, we were already in like a giggly mood. So like after that, we were done. That was just a great, and then y'all commits hunger to do yoga. I was gonna say, I was more comfortable sharing a room with somebody that I didn't know than doing that yoga. We made that there was like a,

at the hotel motel we were staying at, some Russian lady was hosting, like I don't even know if she was hired by the hotel, honestly, I think she just, it was just the doughnut vibes, honestly. She just wanted to do like a peaceful morning yoga set. She was so, and Matt, I was like, we're in. She was so nice. Oh my gosh. She's making fools of ourselves. I feel bad because we were just so bad at yoga, especially me and

Hunter. Like I think you, you have a lot of ears better than me. But I was like trying to get into it. Oh yeah. But she was so, she was so sweet because she was so caring of Abby Yeah, I did like she had a review and a miniature you were doing everything my modifications Yeah, that was so sweet, but that was so that was just a great trip Too many belly laughs with the two of you. Yeah, that first hike was fun. Second one not so much Yeah, we did we took them on like a seven mile hike. Yeah. And Sedona, which is like a desert. For one single view. And Devon didn't even do it because it was kind of adventurous. Oh I was so scared. Yeah. Yeah. Well now you're living your nightmare again in Hawaii

because of all these tacos and the Airbnb. Geicos. She calls them Geah. You guys are freaking holy. Our Airbnb has a large number of lizards. There's a lot of room in here. We'll put a video on the unplanned podcast Instagram of Devon's reaction. I saved you one time. You saved me. She, yeah, and she was, they were like, we need to split dinner costs. I'm like, no, we got dinner covered. You saved my life to not. I got a get go out of her bedroom.

Thank you. I kept them alive and everything. So something that I think about, something that's really cool about you guys is I know we were talking before the podcast. You guys met when you were 13, isn't it? 13. We were dating?

Were you dating or did you just meet them? Okay, so we we met through Facebook. It was actually through my sister was dating a guy and I was in eighth grade. We were both in eighth grade because we were the same age and I wanted a boyfriend, so silly, right? I was like, I want a boyfriend. And then they're like, I know this guy, whatever.

So I actually already was friends with Hunter on Facebook and I deleted him and added him again to get his attention. You had a thing we were 13. So it was just a cheesy type of boyfriend girlfriend. So my mind right now is trying to think of Hunter being 13. Does that kind of want to picture with the mustache? Hunter style has changed a lot. Well, I have a baby one then, you know, you did oh, yeah, I started growing that pretty early Honestly, I'm actually no had to shave it like I had to shave this in middle school No, I look like Pedro from fully in dynamite I'm being serious

Bro, you always shave it around me because I never saw you with a lot to you Or else it looked terrible. I can't even grow a mustache bro. Like I definitely can't work in the shadow Oh shot dude. You have a shadow. No shot. Oh, yeah Come on. It's embarrassing. It's all like it is a little splotchy pretty Splotchy. That's how our beard is You got a fuller beard than he's got though. Well, yeah, but they still splotchy Okay, so you

Play games on Facebook. Yes, basically and just because he was single and your friend was like, oh, he's cute and I just wanted a boyfriend, you know, I don't know why. I just thought that's what I needed at 13. So here we go, Matt, I deleted him, added him back and it did work because he told me like after we started talking that he recognized my profile picture and thought I was cute. So it was- I also thought that we were already friends. And so you'd recognize that.

Well, I didn't actually think about you like deleting me and re-adding me like that. Never went through my head but I was like, oh I thought we were already friends. That's what you're doing. I remember your profile picture. You already knew me? That's cute.

Yeah, I mean look at you. How can I forget? Oh, that's sweet. and then how soon after that were you like officially dating? So from the time that we did the Facebook thing, we started dating like summertime. So it was like we finished eighth grade and it was summertime. We started dating and so we went through high school. We were high school sweethearts. Wow. And here we are 10 years later. Holy, you guys have a kid up in there. Yeah, there was like... A couple breaks for like a few days or a week.

Literally like a few days. A week at the most. And we still talk to like every day during those times. So really no, you know, it's like we couldn't consider a time of like a real break up Just silly things. I mean we were so young. So there was so many petty things. We were immature. We we literally grew up together basically And I thought we grew up together. I mean dating at 14 or 13 or 14 14, okay, we had just turned 14 right? Yeah, and I was 13 months, okay, he had just turned 14 right yeah, yeah, and I was 13 months, okay, but Basically, did you guys I'm only like four or five months older other

I was say were you guys ever in relationships before each other? Just I mean I guess if you're like 13, right? I mean yes, but not like serious relationships. Yeah, like I feel like it's It I don't even feel like they really get a really count. We had actually never kissed anybody else. Other than each other, but just each other. That's so sweet. Other than, for me, I like one time in Truth or Dare, when I was 13, I kissed a girl, but I like, I don't really count that.

Well, technically, we did kiss people for shows. That doesn't count. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, we had a, I am being so young, yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, we had it like I And being so young sorry mom and dad It like little pics like I had a few of those but I feel like again like I feel like it don't really Count yeah, I don't know I don't want to overstep here, but did you guys wait till marriage? We did that's crazy Wait and so you were together from 13 to 14 and then you got married at 19. It was five years. You're both 19. We counted.

We counted. Whoa. Yep. Freakin' head. Dude, that was the hardest thing. That was the most discipline thing we ever had to do. Oh, for sure. Obviously, we were, I mean, we're human. There was temptation there. And that was like, what was the hardest was to, I what you like wait so long you're like

we might as well keep waiting yeah yeah yeah because it got like really hard like especially like after we graduated high school and we started getting married right we knew we were gonna get married like once we were engaged we knew we were gonna get married and we were alone together, a lot more often, that is when it was like really hard to, but since like she said, we've already waited four years. So why would we do it now? And you know what I mean? When we only have eight months or a year.

So how long have it been? A year and a half. Holy freak dude, I thought ours is bad. What would you all say? 13 months. Okay, yeah. You not recommend it. No freak dude, I thought ours is bad. What was yours? 13 months. Okay, yeah. Yeah. You're not recommended.

No, no, no, no. But we didn't really have a choice because we paid for our wedding. We had a save. Majority of our wedding. Yeah. On our own. And we were 18, 19. You were 19.

19. 19. So how quickly after graduation then what's that? We graduated in May. As told him, I wanted to wait till I was 18 for some reason. I just wanted to be 18. It seems like a better number like to be engaged. Well, don't you have to be really?

She has a light birthday. She has a light birthday as well. She's so engaged. Oh, yeah. To be married. Oh, maybe not now, but to. Well, I think you, yeah, baby not, you know. I don't know, I don't know.

Oh, so wild. You guys like obviously we're together. we knew we were gonna be married then, but to like actually be married at that age. Yeah. Was that common where you guys were? Or so I feel like it is more common in the South versus yeah, other states. A lot of our friends got married young and start having a family's young. Not only as young as we were, but 21, 22.

And then our really 20s. So we got engaged right when I turned 18, and then a year and a half. So we were with 19 when we got married. We got engaged in August, right? We graduated in May, got engaged in August, and got married the next December. Wow.

So you're almost a year and a half. That's so funny. That's the 20 that it's common in the South because like where we're from, us getting engaged at 19, 20 and married at 20 and a half. That's so funny. It's funny that it's common in the South because we're from us getting engaged at 19 and 20 and married at 20 and 21. People thought we were crazy. Well, not crazy. Because I feel like if we were in California or something,

people have been like y'all are radical. But like nobody did that. Our friends were in relationships when we were married. Yeah, y'all were rare. Yeah, yeah. And it's just funny that you guys from the South, getting married young was more common. And then our friends in Utah, that's more common there too. Yeah, you're younger, rare. Yeah, yeah. And it's just funny that you guys from the South, like getting married young was more common. And then our friends in Utah, that's more common there too. Oh, really?

Yeah, yeah. Did you all get a lot of hate, like backlash from me? No. I think I was like, it was mainly like, I was in my head because I was like, I want to be taken seriously, but I'm only 20 and I'm getting engaged. And you know. We didn't want people to think we were like,

was the word irrational? Yeah, right, lists are making a poor decision. Like just like so infatuated, We didn't want people to think we were like, was the word irrational? Yeah, right, lists are making a poor decision. Like just like so infatuated that we just like want to get married. Right, over romanticized. And we were together three years and I was like, I was honestly ready to get married after two. Sweet. Yeah.

So was the wedding night the best ever? Yeah. But when I was five years, I mean, oh yeah. And it was more like okay Physically honestly because it was the first there was just a lot of things that we had to learn you know Yeah, but like emotionally like I think I cried Because it was it was more of just a connection thing and we're like I can't believe this is actually happening Yeah, and just like honestly sleeping together and cuddling was the best thing ever.

Oh, that's a sweet, I remember waking up the morning to be like, we're laying next to each other. I was just trying to sleep. Yeah, that is so sweet. Cause I do feel like people blinded, right? Yeah, I feel like people make it sound so weird. Yeah, but it can actually be like. What?

Bless you. It was a call. Bless you guys, it's fun. I just thought'm so sorry. What? Bless you. It was a call. Bless you guys. It's fun. I just thought that was funny. I don't know why. But I feel like people make it sound so weird, but it's actually so romantic.

Yeah. From people that have experience, right? Yes. Yeah. But I do want to say though, don't take it. We did get a lot of like backlash or like hate, not hate, but we got a lot of controversy, I guess, from our friends.

Oh, really? When we did getting engaged and we were getting married so young. Not our close friends. Not our close friends, but. The community was small. Right, we live in a small town. So there was a lot of, are you sharing?

You know, it was like, It was like, I talk us out of it. It's like super widely accepted. It's more common, but like I said, we were still pretty, because I mean, we had just graduated, we got a gig. You know what I mean? But I feel like we were almost like the start of it

in a way. Yeah. But I mean, to us, it's probably always happened. Yeah. Well, I think it's really cool to the, you guys were like working so hard towards marriage and you both do come from like Divorce households. Yeah, it's like you still like prioritize that and like you have such a healthy marriage right now

I think that's really amazing. Yeah, that's so sweet. Yeah, and that's like I mean a lot of people's You know, just assume of you get married young You're gonna you'll be divorced in a few years or whatever, but honestly like with my parents being divorced, I mean they divorced when I was two years old, so I don't know any differently, but there's things that I've learned that I think that's why I was so ready to get married because I learned things along the way and I just wanted it to be different than what I grew up knowing, you know? And so it's almost like the odds are against us, but that makes it even more of just like exciting

to take on this adventure. That was the most I've ever had. The reason to fight for it for sure. What was the timeline between marriage and then having Ivy, three years? Three years. Okay, that's what we did too. Do you feel like that was like a good number

of marriage for him? Yeah, I would say, I mean, I think you at least want two years of no kids and no pregnancy. Just because like that's a special time and you want to enjoy that and you can never get that back. Yeah. Which is kind of sad. Like, I mean, having kids is so much fun,

but it does kind of think that there's like, there's no, there's no pausing it, right? Like it's not like you can just say, pause, okay, let's spend a week together and just have like, you know, husband and wife, right? Like, it's not like you can just say, pause, okay, let's spend a week together and just have like, you know, husband and wife's time. Nope, that doesn't exist. Like, you could, I guess you could go on a trip and like, you know,

have your parents watch your kids for you, but like, that's pretty rare. And it doesn't happen all the time. And there's a lot that changes when you have kids, right? Yeah, like he's in such a needy phase right now. That's like right now at times, I'll be honest. I like over romanticized like our childless years. I'm like, man, we could just travel and just hike long hikes. And I didn't have to plan my days around naps

and so relatable. Yes, I know. And we have those conversations all the time too. It's like we don't regret having her young or when we did. We feel like three years was such a good number. but there's still time especially when we're really everyone like dang Like because when you do have a child that is such a bigger responsibility that you if there's never just you two anymore You know there is that yeah, baby, and so Obviously wouldn't change it love it, but I totally get that like I remember whenever we just could

Go to sleep whenever and wake up whenever and have a full night to sleep I know I would I would really like I was so much more fun Honestly, like now I'm just like oh that sounds like a lot of work Oh, that sounds like a lot of work. You know, like I'm freaking 24. And it kind of sucks now. Like there's been some trips that I like really looked forward to and they just weren't fun vacations because like we were so busy taking care of Griffin, which I love the kid to death,

but it really does change travel. You die to yourself. You have to. The change is everything. Everything. Yeah. And honestly, it's nice. Like we on one of the trips we took, my mom came along

and like that was huge. Like we actually were able to have time just us. And even though Abby's nice. Like, on one of the trips we took, my mom came along and like, that was huge. Like, we actually were able to have time just us. And even though Abby was breastfeeding it, it was just nice that we would have like two hour windows where it was just me and Abby, and we would have to worry about taking care of Griffin, which is really helpful. Yeah, we've taken some trips we've taken,

we've asked people to come with us to just be able to be an extra set of hands and then we could have a few hours alone or whatever. So after you had Ivy, I remember you telling me that you stayed home a lot and you were like transitioning, you didn't want to get out as much or travel. What was your experience postpartum with Ivy? That was rough. Leading up to pregnancy, I found out during whenever 25 weeks

when you take that sugar glucose test. Yes, and like that. I got diagnosed with gestation with diabetes, so which is actually common. You know, it's very common. But were you having symptoms before you took the test? Yes, now looking back, absolutely. Yeah.

Absolutely. But I was also told during that time that they didn't think that it was just just station diabetes, they were like, we are pretty positive that you're a type 1 diabetic or type 2 diabetic. They, it was always just kind of iffy, but they're like, we're pretty sure you were undiagnosed. Undiagnosed diabetic. And so looking back on life, like it does kind of make sense, but still, it just like, it set the tone for, I was just, I feel like I got depression during the third trimester because it was just a new learning curve and my health changes your diet, it can pay everything. Yes.

And so it just made me start worrying even more about delivery because there was just a lot of unknowns and whatnot. And then what life would look like afterward. But also we had we got pregnant during the pandemic and so that was just that dark cloud of like you don't want to go anywhere. Was he able to be in the delivery room? Yes. That's good. There was still restrictions so my mom thankfully was able to be there too. Like the week before we had Abby, they changed it. They changed it to two people in the book room.

Yeah, and it's almost there too. So I'm so glad that happened. But so after I was so just very, I was very uptight about the, I can I say that one here? The pandemic. Yeah, yeah. The seaworth. Okay, so I was like, I do not want anybody to come to our house. I

do not. Yeah. I was so paranoid. And obviously we allowed like close family and friends to come. But so I'm saying all about to say like I think I set it up to where I just felt very isolated. And I didn't allow people to like be around as much as I would have now. Which then is naturally like a big warrior about anything and everything. I wouldn't guess that about really. No. It's always the happy people.

Like I feel like a lot of the people that are super joy for and happy like struggle with anxiety. Like just from talking to other people. And that's right. Cause you've talked, you've said you've struggled with anxiety, like just from talking to other people. And that's right, because you've talked, you said you've struggled with anxiety before too. Yeah, and people were shocked when I say it. Right, so same.

And so I always struggled with anxiety, but I was never, I never really. Wait, wait, you struggled with anxiety too? Yes. No way. Seriously. I'm medication for it. What? Okay, now I need to, like, that inspires me, like, I need to go talk to somebody.

Yes, no, absolutely, 100%. And I was so against it for the longest time. was okay now I need to like that inspires me like I need to go talk to somebody yes no absolutely 100% and I was so against it for the longest time I was like no I don't need medication and especially like haven't we are very Faith-filled people and so we're always taught like no you depend on that to like Help your anxiety and stuff, but anyways, that's a whole different story so I finally got help and medicine is very helpful. So literally I think two weeks after I had IV they do that little survey, did you have to do a survey when you went to the doctor? Yeah I did like a few of them.

Yeah and they ask you about your mental health basically. Yeah and so I was actually scared to answer the questions honestly because I'm like, are they gonna take her away and think I'm like unequipped to the mom? But somebody had told me they're like, that just shows your anxiety. No, I'm not. No, because I didn't.

Yes, and somebody told me they're like, answer honestly, they're not gonna take her kid away. Oh, really? Yeah. And so I did and the lady called me the next day and she was just so sweet. She was like, Devon, are you depressed? And I just like cried on the phone with her.

And I was like, I think so. But I had never thought I could be depressed. You know, I always knew it could happen with other people, but I didn't ever know how to like, I didn't find myself with that, I guess. And so that really was like a life-changing moment for me because she was like, it's okay. This is normal like your hormones, like all that. And then they set me up to go talk to somebody and then they

put me on medicine and that really helped my anxiety, depression, and that I would say, like, what can you say that? Like, was life-changing? Oh, yeah, definitely. And just for the record like growing up and I have like somewhat of a medical background to me too so I never really understood like when people said they have anxiety like my I don't I don't have anxiety at all like honestly like the longer I'm around her and with her like I think I'm like developing about like certain small things you know but overall I just like developing something about like certain small things, you know, but overall I just like could really care, couldn't care less about pretty much anything. That's so honored.

So he's a dude. I mean, just kind of what, you know, it is what it is. And my like mentality about it forever was just like just kind of get over it, you know, just what it is, it's life. Like what are you going to do about it? So a lot just kind of get over it, you know, it is what it is. It's life. Like what are you going to do about it? So a lot of people probably have that mentality. Yeah, and I'm saying that's right.

That's not what I'm saying. But I'm saying it took me like being honestly married to her for two or three years. Like forget about all the dating. Like married to her, living with her daily. Yeah. like forget about all the dating, like married to her, living with her daily, to like really understand that this is like a legitimate like mental health issue that people have, like literally. I was gonna ask what that was like as her husband like going through that time with her.

Yeah, and this was, I started coming to that realization before Ivy, so maybe, I guess I would say two years into our marriage when I started really believing that this is an issue that is legit that people have. And it got worse after we had Ivy. Yeah, and then it got like a hundred times worse, which I completely, I realized that it was a real problem before that, you know.

And he was so great. Like he honestly, he just stepped in and it's like he realized that instead of just being like you know kind of get over it attitude he was just like what can I do how are you feeling. He was very more willing to adapt or learn more about it to help me and he could see a difference when I started medication that he was like, okay, this is really helping her, which helped us, because I just didn't feel it myself. Like I felt almost like numb to the idea of like,

being a mom and stuff, I'm like, I know I'm a mom, I'm doing, I'm going through the motions of being a new mom, but honestly, like I couldn't feel anything, you know? And so that was pretty scary. And so that's when I was, I was excited to start medication, honestly. And then it took about a few weeks

and then I was like, okay, I'm starting to feel happy again. And better. And I'll tell you this, I would not want her to stop taking it. Wow, definitely not. Yeah. It's amazing you saying how you had that mentality of like just get over it. Cause that's what I had in high school. And it made it like 10 times worse. Like that mentality of like just get over it. Cause that's what I had in high school

and it made it like 10 times worse. Like you told yourself like just get over it. I was like, I'm tough. Like I'm not, I'm not wussy. Like I can push through this. Like I'm confident and then it's just like, I just got this crippling, excited to wear like, I would go to bed at night and there would be,

it felt like there was like a car on top of my chest. Like it was just like so much pressure and I like, I was almost like not able to breathe. It was like there was a car on top of my chest. It was just so much pressure. And I was almost like not able to breathe. It was freaky. It wasn't, I never had a panic attack, I would say. But it's crazy how just trying to muscle through it is almost like the worst thing you can do.

Yes, it's like you're straining your muscles because you're trying to fight through it. So what about you Abby? Did you all, when did you do the same questions? After I had Griffin, okay, well like immediately after he was born, I almost felt like guilty about this, but like I did not feel like that immediate like mother, motherly thing. And I think it was until like recently I realized, I feel like I was kind of just like, I think I was just shocked from the whole birth experience for the first,

and then I was getting stitched up for 40 minutes, I didn't even get to hold him for so long. And I feel like that kind of affected my initial bond, like that moment that I had waited for, and tried to imagine for nine months and even well before that, was not at all what I pictured, and then I feel like I just kind of didn't have emotions,

and then the next day, the emotions hit me like a truck. Oh, go on. Imagine you remember that? I mean, I had like the most swollen eyes because I could do nothing but cry. But I didn't necessarily feel sad. Right. I just didn't know what was wrong. Like I just like couldn't stop crying.

But thankfully my mom was there. And I didn't tell her when she came to the house, because I mean, the nights were just us, but she would come during the day. I didn't tell her by thing she could tell because my eyes were so puffy. She was like Abby just so you know, like I wanted nothing more to be a mom,

but those first days, like I would just get these blues and I would be really sad. And like your dad remembers it too, and like he walked me through it, and like we got through it. She's like just don't like don't feel like you need to bottle up and so she prepared me really well for all that and like walked me through that. So I definitely consider like I got baby blues and it continued for like the first almost

like month because like it I remember it was every day at sunset. I don't know why like a certain time would trigger being like really, really sad. I remember it was, Griffin had been alive for one week, like a life in this earth for one week, and your family was at our house, and we wanted to go to like a lookout point with him. Yes. And I was, it was like anxiety and sadness too,

because I was like, how am I gonna get out of the house with my baby? Like, I don't know, like if he's gonna need to eat, if he's gonna like his car seat, like, I was like, how are we gonna get out of the house? Like there's no way we can get out of the house right now. And then I was like, really, really sad, so I'm like, how am I ever gonna do anything in my life?

Yeah. And then this just sadness would like overwhelm me like when it started to get dark out. But I'd consider it baby blues and not necessarily depression because it was, it would come and go so much. And then by a month it never came back. But baby blues are so real though.

It's so sad because you want to be a mommy like for you so much like why? Right. I know and I feel like because when I started like with baby blues and then it just I don't even know. I think because I never got out of the house I literally was a hermit. We were hermits and I feel like that is something I would do different now is like get out and that would help. I did that a lot because that helps me like to kind of get out of the house. I literally was a hermit. We were hermits. And I feel like that is something that I would do different now is like get out. And that would help. I did that a lot because that helps me like to kind of get out of the house.

But then I got a lot of backlash. Remember that? Especially on TikTok. Especially on TikTok. They're like, you need to take care of your baby. Do not take him out of the house. You need to take care of yourself. They were like blaming Matt for like forcing me to do stuff.

But like taking care of yourself once getting out of the house, taking care of myself, once getting out of the house. It was good for her mental health too, like people. People on TikTok were like, wow, your husband's like making you get out of the house. And it's like Abby literally had a conversation with me where she was like, I need to get out of the house. Yes. And I'm like, oh shoot, okay.

So like anytime she was like really down, I was just trying to see, hey you want to go get coffee like, hey can we go do this? Can we go do that? I would just go on drives to McDonald's sometimes to get a tea because I was like I just need to go the house and I need to get away from the Baby for just a little bit and just be like okay, this is what silence is This is what yes, I'm gonna listen to my podcast because I like to do this before I had my baby And I'm the same person now just I'm it's like different. Right, and that's what we talked about too. It's, you have to learn the new you. So it's like, you're not a different person,

you're just new. And so that is, I had to reintroduce myself and that having that mental shift versus, like, just being sad that I no longer can like, like you said, you're still the same, you still do things you enjoy to do. do yeah I wish I did that right after and then somebody had told me they're like just learn you again and I'm like yeah so sweet here's one thing I'll say is we were talking about this some with somebody the other day

and I don't remember who it was but instead of like adapting the baby into our lifestyle we adapted to the baby's lifestyle. Which, yeah. Which was hard. It makes it a thousand times more. Oh, you think? Yeah. Oh, definitely.

Because we were like, what's your saying about too worried about going places and doing things like, that was us, you know, all the time. And we never got over that until we did. But I'm just saying it took a lot longer to get to that point to where we're like, okay, we can do this, we can go out, you know, we can go out to eat, we can do this for that, blah, blah, blah, and deal with the problems

when they arrived, you know what I'm saying? And I will say off of that, like I admire y'all so much, and whenever y'all had Griffin, like I was like, I wanna do that next time. So I admire Jalbi and all the, like seeing you all get out and about with him and doing exactly what he said, the opposite of what we did, instead of, you know, how did you word that, not going with his routine, like this baby. You want to adapt the baby to your lifestyle.

So I admire that so much. I also take him and go and like, and he's so chill. You know, he's like, the best travel buddy. Thank you. It's fun you say that, like we definitely wanted to exactly do what you just said is adapt Griffin to our schedule. What was funny though is I think we're a little too optimistic thinking that like, oh, this whole schedule thing, like, shh, he doesn't need any schedule. What was funny though is I think we're a little too optimistic thinking that like, oh this whole schedule thing,

like, shh, it doesn't need any schedule. Like we learned the hard way, like no, like babies do need a schedule and there are like nap times that are needed and you gotta follow like a method of some sort to make sure they're getting the sleep they need and like staying on that schedule. And like maybe the naps can be in the car.

Yeah, right. And make it carrier, right? Yeah, you could be on a high, you could follow that pattern. Right. 100%. You could literally be hiking and like sleep on your chest, right?

But it's just making sure that all that is built into a more flexible schedule. And we quickly learned that. Yeah. I do. We were very routine people too with Ivy. Which I think now we are, once we got out of that, probably honestly, once Devin's medication

like fully kicked in and we kind of grew out of that phase, we're completely different people now than we were before. Well, 100% and all of our friends, like where we live that we hang out with regularly, we'll tell you that, 100%. Wow. So at the time though You were still a firefighter right so talk about your experience as a firefighter. I love hearing

Firefighters so fun. They're so epic like you literally delivered babies. Yeah two babies two babies Delivered two babies what really honestly one, I was kinda, I was really new, the first one we did, but I was there and helping, you know. But, but yeah, that's crazy. This was before, yeah, the first one was before, the second one was after.

So, yeah, what were you think? Were you just like, the first one I really had no idea because I had just started, like I haven't been online, which is what we call like on shift. I had been working at the fire department for like six months going through school and everything, but I haven't been on shift for like what? Less than a month probably. And so we go and and it was like one of the worst like birth stories that you'll ever hear honestly.

Wait, was the baby okay? He he up being fine, but the parents don't have custody of him anymore. Like it was a really whole bad situation between the baby and everything was awful. So yeah, that was wild. I can't believe that you literally have just gone into burning buildings and been around, I don't know that you literally have just gone into burning buildings and like been around, I don't know, gunshot, like victims and just, you've seen a lot, dude, like from

the little bit we've talked about you being a firefighter, like holy crap, like you've seen the motion. Like have you seen dead bodies? Yeah. That's insane. Like legit dead people. Yeah. Like that's like nothing phases.

I don't know. No, exactly. I would even know what to do, dude. Like, like that's like nothing phases. I don't know exactly. I would even know what to do dude. Like, I don't know man, that's a heavy burden to have. It is. Trying to save people and goodness. See he's like it can be. I mean it can be but to like, you have to have the mentality

and the people that, and I'm not, I like, I don't know how to say this without sounding like bad but the people that have and I'm not, I like, I don't know how to say this without sounding like bad, but the people that have a bad mentality about it are the people that struggle like with mental health problems from seeing everything. You know what I'm saying, but so you either have to have the mentality to where it doesn't bother you or you have to learn to let it not bother you

or it's going to. But they do have help on staff, definitely in all of that for those situations. Yeah, and especially like at least where I worked and I'm sure most departments, whether it's police, you know, EMS or whatever, they have people on staff or have connections with somebody that could get you like,

you know, mental health or counseling. Right, that's pretty good. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. If you needed it. Yeah, but the problem is for most guys, like admitting that you need the help. Yeah. That's a big like stigma.

Oh, really? Oh yeah. So you want to be like all rough and tough. And like, oh, I'm not, I'm not phased by this. Like I'm helping people and doing good, but I can, I can take it. I don't need it. I'm going to go to counseling to talk about,

you know, the person that I saw. Right. Most of it. I don't need to go to counseling to talk about, you know, the person that I saw. I'm not speaking for everybody, but the typical, you know, first responder, military, you know, guy, yeah, that's the mentality. Wow. It's interesting how like, a lot of times as men, like we feel the need to bottle up all these emotions. Yeah, not talk about them.

And I read a statistic the other day about how men are more likely to commit suicide because we don't talk about our emotions as much and women are on average are able to just talk through those emotions with other women. And that's just, it's crazy that a lot of guys feel the need to hide all that. Yeah. Yeah, definitely all that yeah, yeah, yeah

Definitely it's um, yeah, so your shifts as a firefighter were like two days long one Oh, it's 24 hours 24 hours on 48 hours off. Yeah, and so then you had 24 hours alone with the baby Wow, it should be really hard. Yeah, and so that Obviously didn't help. Yeah, I was feeling Thankfully my mom stayed with us Hunter did get like a whole month off. Yeah, I was also like the first month Amazing, but by four weeks I was still oh, yeah, my mom stayed so my mom stayed another month like a okay The month after he went back

stayed and the night he was gone. So that was a huge help I remember whenever her month was up and I was like, I would be just, you can move in. Like please. So, but I got used to it, you know. It's an adjustment. I mean, I would even be willing to say, like as close as we are,

that it wasn't adjustment for you, for me to be home every day. And to not get to work. Because like, you get used to that time, I'm sure by yourself, and then you lose that, you know? And that's an adjustment. I was used to my time by myself or mostly pretty much with my guy friends at work.

And that was a big worry that I had like when I was quitting is that I would lose that like, guy time, you know what I'm saying? like still fresh too right cuz you just quit. Yeah What four months October the eight was my last shift so a little bit for months. Yeah quit your job to do TikTok. Yeah Here we are. How are your parents proud? Yeah, I think so I don't Are your parents proud?

Yeah, I think so. I don't know. They're just proud of you regardless. Yeah, my parents are the kind of parents that are proud of me regardless, but I know they worry about it. Yeah, I feel like a lot of people not here. Especially because, yeah. I think just, it's a, I mean, TikTok, you say,

oh, my fire fired her job to do social media people, like what? Especially because like me being a firefighter, you know, it's a good job, right? I mean, great benefits. Yeah, everybody likes firefighters for a nice part, for the whole thing. And then you have the, yeah.

I know what that's about to say. And then you have the benefits, you know what I'm saying? Like the pays decent, you have the decent amount of time off, you got the retirement, retirement the you know, yeah Abbie is always stable. Abby's always told me that firefighters are the hottest professors I said it and I said it for all the women that were thinking it okay, but have you seen some of the fire? You just compare them to the firefighters you see a movie yeah Reality versus Instagram.

I'm thinking of movies, but then also just like, I mean, that's like, saving lives. Like, that's like, yeah, a hero. Oh, it is a hero. I remember when I was in a car accident one time and there was firefighters all around me and they could have been just, I mean, no, persons, just the ugly, I was about to say

the ugly is creature or creature whatever that sounds so mean But they to me it was it was like heroes, you know just being rescued and I don't know what they really looks like But I was I felt like Yes, I'm in And I remember that day I didn't shake my legs and I was like oh heavens there's seen my leg Even my devin's like 15 That's funny wait Abby does that not translate to police officers to like why why just firefighters? I just with fire fire that is picture them like carrying a baby out of a burning. Oh, yeah

Big muscle. Yeah, yeah the uniform taking the big help it off I remember you would have thought I was jumping up and down and like, yeah, quit, quit, quit. But honestly, I was like, are you sure? And I remember I was so excited for him to be home with me, but at the same time, it was a pride thing for me. I loved being able to say that my husband was a firefighter. You know?

And it was just like a, I got the time. It was a firefighter wife. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely a pride thing too. Like, I, you know, it's hard because I still like, you know, I still like identify with that and I know all this stuff there is to know about it. And so like, I still want to like, put myself into that category.

Yeah. When it's not like I worked 20 or 25 years in retired, you know what I'm saying? I worked four years and that was it, and I quit and I'm done. So I feel like I don't really belong in the category anymore, you know what I mean? You still feel like a firefighter's degree.

Yeah, and that'll probably wear off eventually. So it's hard for me to not have that mentality, especially when I see other people like that, or like somebody messaged me on Instagram the other day like wanting me to send me some fire department stickers. And he was like, he messaged me, he was like, hey man, I just realized that you were like following us,

blah, blah, blah, blah, like I'd love to send you some stickers. And I'm like, all right, I'm like not sure if you know, but I don't actually work at the fire department anymore, but I'd still love send you some stickers. And I'm like, all right, I'm not sure if you know, but I don't actually work at the Fire Department anymore, but I'd still love to have some stickers. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, because I just feel bad. I'm like, I don't wanna feel like I'm taking advantage of the,

because it is like a pride thing. It's like a community. It is a community and all, pretty much all first responder. And it's like the first responder military, like kind of community where it's like a pride thing to like be involved in that. And there's other professions like that too don't get me wrong. But how did the other guys in your department react to your

transition to TikTok? Um, it's, I don't know, 50, 50 probably. Like the guys on my crew, I'm sure they probably is. Yeah, the guys on my crew were my buddies, you know, when you're with somebody for that amount of time, you know what I'm saying? Cause I mean, it's every third day for 24 hours, at least you gotta think about, you know,

you get up, you get there early, like if you work at a fire department, if you're not like 30 minutes early, you're late, you know, I'm saying it's like, whoa. Yeah, we would be sure. Yeah, like we would be sure. My shift started at know what I'm saying? Whoa. Yeah. Yeah, like, you would be. My shift started at seven and I got there at 6.30 every day.

You know, so I mean, and then you, if you catch a late call or something, you may not get off. I mean, you may actually be there, no telling how long. Honestly, if you're out of fire or when it's time to get off shift, but anyways, but what I'm saying is, if you spend that a third of your life, basically with with with these guys, you know, it's become family. Yeah, you become family And that's pretty much what it is as your second family. So that's what I miss about it most is my especially my crew That I had when I quit but we we pretty much they all pretty much got busted up at the end of the year So I wouldn't really be with them anyway, which makes me feel better about it

You're not missing out. So doing the social media thing, you guys started on TikTok, YouTube, where did that start first for you guys? Yeah, so we actually, when I was pregnant, I was like, this is the perfect time to start YouTube, because I always wanted to do it. I was always, I just never thought it was obtainable. Like, I mean, not me, you know. Yeah. Anyway, so I wasn't working and I was like seven months pregnant or whatever I don't even remember. So I started filming you too on my phone.

We were actually on our anniversary trip. Baby moon. So I started filming and I was editing them on my iPhone on Imovie and I mean we gained like like 100 subscribers and it was probably just my family and friends. But it was still, it felt so good, you know? And then we had Ivy and at that point. It made like a few videos. Like it wasn't consistent. Like it would make like a video or two of them. Yeah, kind of.

But it wasn't until I kind of like got over it. I was like, this isn't never gonna like happen for us. Cause I originally did it to document our pregnancy. but with the hopes of mind that it becomes something and we could do something with it financially and so anyways I posted our birth vlog and then that gained some traction I was like okay and it kind of gave me motivation again and then from there I actually watched one of y'all's videos when we were TikTok videos and it was showing it, saying how y'all did YouTube nine months,

and started TikTok, and then TikTok got you where you're at. Sorry, I just bumped the camera. Oh, you're getting a car phone. And so, anyway, that, I was like, okay, Hunter, I'm gonna download TikTok. And so, I downloaded TikTok, I started doing mom content stuff nothing like what we're doing now a lot of like lip syncing videos and then so for a few months I gained like 25,000 followers on my own January of last year

Hunter filmed my reaction to shaven his mustache that was glory mustache videos which it was like super random, I mean. So random. I mean, I used to film her all the time, like messing with her, pranking her, you know, but we never posted it. But for whatever reason, I filmed it. Yeah, and that, because that was so not our content.

No. But I don't think I didn't film it with the intention of posting it. No, exactly. Exactly. She was just like, I'm gonna post this on TikTok. Right, because I was like, maybe. Yeah.

Because at that point, I was like, I'm not not gonna I didn't feel like we were growing anymore. Yeah, and then we blew up Wow And then we gained a million followers in a month. That's unreal a million in one month This and I couldn't believe it. I felt like we were just like grown into it. I mean there were days that we would get almost 200k and it you know 24. Yeah it's because your personality is like so infectious. Oh that's so nice. You're literally she's like cartoon character in real life. Yeah that's true. That's true. She's so animated. I'm very, very, very, very, yeah. The things you say and do I wish I couldn't mimic it. Yeah. Where are you saying earlier? You were like so fancy. Like, it was like the way you was like me.

I'm trying. I'm so into it. That was good. That was a good impersonation. Also, like, Hunter is so funny too. I feel like Hunter has a really nice, as a humor. Oh my God. And you guys contrast each other.

Well, yes. It's hilarious. That's true. People don't realize that Devanak could literally probably not be any more of opposites. But you do have such a goofy personality too when it's just me and like around like our friends, like you open up a lot more. I just mean our like base personalities and like character problems.

Totally on opposite scale. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because like there's like one of the golden retriever black hat. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. And it's funny because people say me and Matt are similar and then you and Hunter are similar. Yeah, I was a year

A lot nicer than Hunter. It's funny though Friends like typically I'm more like the wife and Abby's more like the husband a lot of our friends like seriously Yeah, it's crazy I think it's funny though because it makes your comedy goal because you're just so bubbly and you're so, you're humor so dry. But that's what gets you misunderstood online. And then people are hating on you. It's the villain. Yeah.

But he tells me he's like, people aren't here to see me. And I'm like, I am not Devon without Hunter. You know? Like Devon can't be Devon without Hunter behind the camera. And just like in everyday life. But I hate that he's so misunderstood because he is so dry and stuff like y'all get the luxury of like seeing Being around Hunter more. Yeah, I was always like really shy as a kid Really and I still am like I don't really talk to people Devon until I don't talk to people unless I know the person

Like I do not strike up. Like yesterday when we went to the lookout and you would just start talking to this random dude. I don't know if you noticed, but I didn't say a single word to the guy. Really? Yeah, like I just don't talk. I don't know. And I grew up, my dad is like that.

My dad will talk to anybody and everybody about everything under the sun. And I'm the polar opposite. And I don't know where I got that from, but it's so weird. Is it so odd that TikTok is pen your bills. Yes. And you guys just bought a new house, right? Is there a pool at that house?

There's a pool. There's a pool. Is it finished? Yeah. No way. So that's why you all have to come to Alabama during the summer, say what? Oh my gosh, we're in.

Yeah, you guys really should come. You all need to. That'd be a blast. Can we have some bold peanuts? Yes, yes, for sure. And I will say the house, like we were already getting the house before take talk, but it just helped me be able to decorate the house.

Yeah, the house is gonna be like bear. That's the thing about the appliances I wanted. Yeah, the house is gonna be like super bear appliances I wanted. Yeah, the house is gonna be like super bare bones because we were just at the time based on our fire fodder salary which I was working like loads of overtime. Yeah, she's saying at home. Yeah. But anyway, but yeah, now we got those spruced it up a little bit thanks to thanks to the tic tac. Yeah, it's so it's so crazy that we're in this social media world. Yeah, I

just can't believe I'm it still blows my mind like we're're great friends now so it feels so normal but I'm still just like, I can't believe we're still friends. She says that all the time. I do have a friend. I can not believe we're friends with Matt and Amy. Like, and not just friends but like really close friends. Right. And that is so cool to me.

I think just so, because you're also great. People are watching, probably have no idea how close we might be. Right. We don't necessarily make a lot of videos together. Right. At least because we have so much fun. We don't even much fun. Literally don't even think about it.

And I'm like, shoot. We like think about good ideas a lot. We should feel this good. We should, and we just don't get around to it. Yeah. We just hang out. And what I love is we're friends first. Like, we weren't collabing or anything. We hung out before we ever even made videos together not creators will just collab like it's a good business

Move it it pushes their content and then the other creators content and they go their separate ways They never talk to each other right, yeah, and that's fine like creators can do that But like we were friends first and I love that and I love how genuine you guys are and look like there are Luckily a lot of really good kind genuine creators out there. But Abby and I have learned over the past couple of months, that's not as common as we once thought. At first.

I just interject really quick. I just wanna say that it's not down in Bella. We love them so much. And there have been some speculation that we don't love them or something like that. Yeah, people were making TikToks of our podcast saying that we, like taking us out of context saying that we didn't like down the bell.

We love our friends down the bell. They're like family. They're so true. We also love down below. Yeah, you guys love down above. They're great genuine people, like seriously, so genuine, so kind. And we're gonna have to have them on the podcast too.

Yeah, we'll talk about them later, but I just wanna clear that up. We love them very much. The best people in the world. They really are, like, with the nicest people I ever met. Yes, yes. But with some recent hate that I got on TikTok two months ago, which like really, really sucked,

it hit me harder than it probably should have. But it really opened my eyes to like how, how hateful some people can be online and how other creators will jump on your downfall just to get some clout and just to get some quick views. And I love that you guys are not that way at all. And I know for a fact that you would never do that. Like there's people that just they don't care. It's like oh I can get some views off of like you know jumping over this person's downfall. Cool. I'll make a video and it'll hurt my friend but it'll help me get

more views. People do that on social media all the time. It looks that. To get blinded by the views and the sudden fame. Yeah, I'm like, you'll have to walk through that and that. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I mean, what stinks is it's more of a win for creators because getting canceled just happens all the time.

Right, yeah. I guess that's something we could talk about really quick was like how you guys deal with hate because I remember you texted me, probably it was about a year ago. You were like asking how, how, I was like how do you handle the hate comments? And I remember you said honestly,

like I said as it is, you get numb to it and that is so true. You just after reading things about yourself for so long, you literally forget that they're talking about you in a way. You know, you're exactly right. I mean, obviously, if you're having a bad day and if I read it on the bad day, I'm like, or if they say just the right thing. Yes, especially, and we related about this being a mom. Like, that is the one of the worst comments somebody can make is about if you're being a bad mom or not. And because I take pride in being a mom and I know you do too and so when somebody just

like says something about just the way you pair it or the way you, you know, it just those comments sting a little bit and I can get over the rest but other than that, I mean you get used to it and Hunter is very good and kinder. He's like, we don't know them, you know? And it does not matter what random people say, you know, at the end of the day. And there's so many much more good out there than the bad. And so I have to like remember that.

There's so many more people that love us than hate us. And do it for them, you know? I actually believe people like actually knew you guys in person like no one would say one of sad things. Especially you guys as parents you guys are the sweet you guys should hear the way they talk to Ivy and this is with your heart so nice. No you guys were like at Ivy's in the tub in the sink and then you guys just both come up individually separately Just be like you are the prettiest thing I've ever seen Like constantly like I was gonna have a huge ego Maybe I should start selling or she's up and I don't know she's one

Yeah, and then yeah, you also follow through as parents really well, you don't just like try and don't be sure. We try and we're not perfect at all. And there's times to like enforce things and there's times that they're not, we talk about it briefly today, but. Right. Yeah. So just give her the sucker.

Yeah, just give her the sucker and you know, it's all right. We don't want to ruin other people's day. I've been found out. On an airplane for five Tell us that story Should we tell us the I've been found a pink sucker in my room also And I was as soon as her eyes like locked on this big pink lollipop. I was like I know

No, no, no, she's so sweet. She's like looked at it and then like I know exactly what she's doing. She'd come up to you and ask you. No, no, no, no. She's so sweet she's like looked at it and then she looked at me and then she's like, so I hope you need a ticker. Oh no. Oh, you won her ever. I wanted her to have it so bad but I was like I don't want to just, I knew you guys had said earlier. Oh it's fine.

Oh it's fine. I was like you couldn't have to ask her dad. Yeah. That was totally fine. She just walked with the, you should have felt little so her dad. Yeah. That was totally fine. She just walked with the, you should have felt little so the sucker looks so good. Oh my God. She's gonna be on her side.

She actually had another one today. She found it at the grocery store. And it's like, I would rather just give her the sucker and her not scream. Oh yeah. So sweet. Love that girl. Can you discipline a kid like at that age?

I'm actually, how much do they understand because I've these oh my gosh There's a get go I wish you guys could see it. There's a guest lost its tail also hunter made a get go Cut that out cut that out people are gonna cancel me I'm coming for a nut. No, it doesn't hurt them. It doesn't hurt them. Yeah, it's just set it free. He did set it free. Yeah, you said it free.

It's alive. It's half-stretched. But can we also say that he's holding the tail? The tail's still red. Why does it do that? It's as nerves. It's just, it's just... It was just flattened.

It's called biology. It's as nerve-s in it. It's like a snake or a chicken. I wanted to ask you guys though, like as parents of one kid that's literally almost two years old, how do you manage this pointing them? Because right now with Griffin, he cries, we just have to help him. But are you verbally telling her, I don't know, how do you go about that?

So it's so hard and it's a learning curve. We're still learning. I knew just from like growing up and honestly, like how my parents parented me. Like I learned things that I liked that they did or didn't like, or that affected me in different ways. And so it's eat, whenever they're more understanding and like y'all see that I was very independent.

So she understands more. So we're able to communicate to her you know what's riding what's not right but it's so hard I mean she's at the age right now where she's almost like testing us and she is getting to that point and so it's like even though we're telling her no she knows she can still do it just cosy say no don't just pretty well pretty well. Yeah, so she's like prying a little bit. I'm that thing is running so fast against that wall right now. So in that way, I don't know, we're still learning. And but she is, she's such an easy kid at the same time.

And it's like knock on wood for the next one, like if they're. Wait, wait, wait, wait way way way way way I thought you have told me that you're never even considering yeah you said a few months ago that's how we were yeah hold up yeah so what changed a hunter's mind well they haven't kind of convinced me yeah yeah so I had baby fever super bad the past few months and I was like like, no, no, no. And then we actually thought we were pregnant right before this trip. And so when you all told us that you're pregnant and when you all announce, we were like,

oh my gosh, what if we are to when we can surprise them? Yeah. But that it would have been very unplanned. And so I think so we're not pregnant. Dang it. Currently time of the month. So I think, so we're not pregnant. Um, Dang it. Currently time of the month, so we're no, we're not there. Yeah. But it just kind of like opened the door way to be like, okay.

Yeah. Because I think we missed our cells that we were, Yeah. It kind of was like a let down when you're like, Oh, shucks, you know? Oh. So it made us like, She had like all the, the initial like sounds of the symptoms. Yeah sounds yeah, so we were like oh you're pregnant

This is it, but so I don't know we might be starting to try soon You guys how cool would that be if Devon and Abby were pregnant? Oh my gosh That would be so fun That would be so fun We both have our bell we're both five two Yeah, just wobbling around. It is really sweet. Hunter didn't say earlier that he wishes

Devon could be seven months pregnant all the time. Yeah. You just thought I was the hottest thing. I love that. I don't know. I love it. That's really sweet. Well, you guys, thanks so much for being on our podcast.

Oh my God. I told you not to be worried. I was like, we're just going to record us having a conversation. Oh yeah, this is fun. This is so fun. I could just keep talking about it. I know. I was like, we're just gonna record us having a conversation. Oh yeah, this is fun. This is so fun. I could just keep talking about it. I know, I'm like dang, it's over already. We're in half a sequel.

Part two, yeah, definitely. We should do like a game on here. Yeah, that'd be really fun. If you guys haven't left or reviewed yet, go ahead and do that. It really means a lot to us. You can do it on Apple Podcast or Spotify. And subscribe, again, it just really helps push

the podcast out to more people and tell us all the social media algorithms that they should push our podcasts to other viewers. And I have a couple of fun reviews to read. So, yes. This one's from Hadley, so thank you Hadley. It says, hey, Matt and Abby, I just wanted to say, or to let y'all know how much I love y'all's podcast.

I just listened to your newest episode and I want to say congrats on your new baby. I can't wait to see Griffin and this new baby be best friends. I have some close friends and they're sisters about 15 months apart. They're so close with each other. It's like a built-in best friend. That's what we're kind of hoping for. So I want to say I love you guys and hope the pregnancy goes well. So thank you Hadley. This one's from Ashley K. It says your podcast is great. The love you two shares so special and encouraging. Thank you for sharing your sad days,

funny moments, and special times with us. Congrats on baby number two, you two are amazing parents, and we'll rock that chapter of your life. That's so sweet. One more? One more. This one's from K. It says,

I'm so happy for you guys. You are truly amazing, and I love how real you are. This is one of the best podcasts I highly recommend. You guys have such beautiful spirits. Stay you. So sweet. You guys are so kind. So if you lever view, uh, leave your name or leave your Instagram handle so we can shout you out on here. Um, thanks so much for all the love. It really is so humbling. I don't know. You guys have been so, so kind to us. We cannot thank you enough. And we'll have to have on more wonderful guests like Devon and Hunter in the future.

And until next time, three, two, one, peace out. Peace out, dude.