The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby - Getting Cancelled (the truth)

Episode Date: March 15, 2023

We got cancelled... Twice. In this episode, we share the two stories of when we were cancelled, the first time being in 2021 in Hawaii and the second at the end of 2022. Make sure to rate our podcast and leave a review if you can, it really helps us out!

The thing that is so terrible about social media is that your intentions or your motives are never ever considered. It was brutal. I just felt like the world was caving it. I'm fully an adult. And like this online hate was affecting me so much. There's literally kids on these platforms. People are tagging us on their stories. People are DMing us.

We got some very aggressive DMs. We got death threats. Hey, before we get started, make sure that you leave a five-star review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, whichever platform you listen on. It really means a lot, and let's get on with the episode. What's up dudes! And welcome back to episode seven of the unplanned podcast. Here we are.

I cannot believe we're here, dude. I know it's really so weird. It still doesn't feel normal to sit here and do this, like, especially for this episode, like my heart is honestly beating really fast. We are gonna talk about something that we've never talked about before, openly on social media. And that is getting canceled.

And that is getting canceled. And that is getting canceled. Yeah, I mean, getting canceled is not fun. It's every creator's worst nightmare. Why am I already in a hot-darker? And I think like, I think I have so many emotions built up to like talking about this because it's like scary to talk about. Yeah. And also you don't want people

to be thinking that we're asking for like a pity party. Yeah. You know, because I'm not, I feel really grateful for this job and like the many blessings it's had for like our family. But this is just part of it that is, oh, it's like the dark cloud that's always looming, you know? Yeah, I mean, it's honestly for creators more, it's not an if, it's a when, you get canceled because when you're online and when anybody and everybody can pick apart your life

and find flaws in you and you are. Well, not even in your life, anything that you put online, like freaking Miss Rachel had to take a break because she was getting heat. I don't understand that, dude. I don't even know what the controversy was really about, but it's just like that just shows that if Miss Rachel

someone has wholesome and pure, literally making baby videos. But how to say mama and dad-dad. Yeah. Like that just shows that no one is immune to this. Yes. But it's so hard to talk about. Yeah, it is.

It's weird, it's scary because on a podcast, like we talk so openly and so authentically about our lives. So it's kind of scary, but at the same time, I feel safe talking about it here because people are listening to an hour long episode and they're not just taking bits and pieces of what we say and take them out of context, you know. So that's what's really reassuring about a podcast. Maybe this will be good for me to kind of finally talk about everything.

I mean, because it's having more than once. This whole getting canceled online and I feel like it's been sprinkled with lots of many cancellations, you know. I think there's something different though between getting negative comments and then like widespread cancellation massive massive difference Because everyone gets hate comments and hate comments suck, but like I will say I laugh about most of the hate comments that we get because You just you kind of become immune to it, but like canceling is different because they're taking like one specific thing

and it's like a mob mentality of like thousands, if not millions of people coming at you and just really trying to rip you to shreds and it's horrible. I think there's two major instances online where we have gotten officially canceled. So we got canceled in 2021 and 2022. Let's start with 2021.

What happened? I mean, we begin with just, I guess, our move to Hawaii. This is the one that is, oh my god. It's okay. This is the one that is hard to talk about because of just the fear that it caused in me. It's really unresolved still. Honestly, the fact that just mentioning it

is making me cry. And even when we talk about it with close friends and trusted friends, I'm literally fighting tears a whole time because I don't know. It just feels like a traumatic event, even though it's so weird because it's all on your phone. Nothing in real life actually happened. It's such a weird thing to sort through because it's literally all on your phone. Yeah. So I'm also pregnant. So can we just excuse the tears? So. So we moved to Hawaii in 2021. And for those of you guys that don't know, Hawaii became a state. And I believe the 50s, um, it was illegally taken by the US in the early 1900s. And so because of that, there's some very, very fresh wounds in Hawaii. Um And people are very protective of Hawaii

and rightfully so. It's a very special place. And there's people that are native to that land, that really care about that land. And it's just, you gotta be really careful and really respectful, especially when you, if you travel to Hawaii, you don't wanna just like go around,

I don't know, you gotta be careful. You wanna be very respectful just as if you're visiting another country. It's almost like a different country in a way. Well, yeah, there, well, as if you're visiting anywhere, you just need to be respectful of the culture that's there. And there's some very sensitive history, like you said, behind Hawaii. And we moved there, and we honestly didn't move there

not knowing that. Like, I did a whole huge college project What my senior my last semester about the history of Hawaii and how it became a state and how it was I mean like you said Taken illegally. Yes, and a lot of people were hurt by that and I'm a history nerd So like I did a ton of research too, and it's it's heartbreaking to hear about a place that was taken illegally Especially by the US when like, look, I love our country, but like, that's one of those dark sides of American history where you're like, that should not have happened, you know? Yeah, it's really sad.

We went in knowing like, okay, as constant creators, we're not going to share locations of hikes. We're not going to be giving out all this information. The reason of not sharing locations of hikes is because then the hikes become extremely over traffic and it hurts the land. And it kind of ruins it for everyone and that really hurts the locals. So yeah, we came in with really like talk we really talked to a lot of people that live there. I feel like we were very well informed. But there was one thing that completely slipped our minds that ended up coming back to Madison the butt. Well let's just say like we came in not ignorant. Yeah.

But obviously we were new there and so you have to, it's really a time to just listen and learn. Yeah. And that's exactly what we were trying to do. It's very hard doing that under the public eye. And we weren't like, we had a following then, because we were doing this full time. Yeah, we did. But it wasn't like, I mean, with every stage and that it's grown, like the stakes become higher. So the stakes weren't as high at this point.

Yeah. But basically back then, for all the, if you have followed us from this point, like that's pretty incredible, but then we would make the intro of all of our YouTube videos. We would say, what's up dudes? But then when we move to Hawaii. Well, hold me a backstreet on that, though.

What's up dudes originated because I call Abby, dude. I actually see comments all the time, people that are like, why is this guy calling his wife, dude? That's so weird. You never say that, but I just do. I don't know, we're best friends and I call her, dude. And so people thought that was hilarious on TikTok. There were some viral videos where people in the comments

thought it was funny that I was calling my wife, dude. And so we just started calling our followers dudes. We just started all of our videos with what's up dudes. And moving into Hawaii, you go into any store in Hawaii, you see a loha like all over the place. Everyone says a loha to you if you're a tourist. Like, it's just, it's a very special word in the Hawaiian language and it means hello it means

goodbye it means so many different things and so naturally we're like we should start saying Aloha dudes to open up all of our YouTube videos. Well we were greeted at the airport upon landing moving in Hawaii like it says Aloha like welcome to a wahtoo and like all these things and even on the mainland of the US like you go into Hobby Lobby, go into Target, go into Walmart, you see a low-hot everywhere. It has kind of become universal in a way as like a greeting but the word a low-hot, well let's just keep going. Yeah I mean it's a very special word in the Hawaiian language and so like you see it literally everywhere. It was kind of sad because the language almost completely disappeared at one point.

And luckily, there's a, I believe a radio station that really started the movement of getting the language back. And that's why when you go to Hawaii, you see a lot of things in Hawaiian because they're trying to bring back the language in a very strong way. So it's cool, there's a lot of people that name their kids

now with Hawaiian names because back in the day, it was kind of like, a no-no I wanna say, because they were trying to westernize the people there. But- Western culture kind of dominated Hawaii and it still is a recurring thing that's happening. Anyway, I kind of went off on a tangent there.

But anyway, the Hawaiian language, it's, you know, a beautiful language and we just started using the word alohana videos. Yes and then several months. This was like five or six months into living in Hawaii, right? Yeah, so we moved there in January and then it was May that we decided to do merch. Yes and let me preface merch by saying that I feel like very few creators use merch as like a big way to maybe some do to make money. I think in the early stages of like YouTube because there weren't brand deals to help pay the bills like creators would rely on merch.

Like rely on merch to pay the bills, but I think more recently merch is more of a community building. Yeah, at least that was our motive. Like this was just a fun way to like build out our community. Like I don't know, have everyone feel like a part of something and we can share it and wear the same thing. And it was really just a fun project. Yeah. It was never like a money grab or anything like that.

No one's like, we weren't gonna make a big off of merch sale. Yeah. And in fact, we were just doing this in house too. Like it was a small operation. Like your brother and my sister-in-law, and our sister-in-law were doing it. It was kind of scary because like for the first time, we wanted to try and do this thing where we bought all the product ourselves.

We spent thousands of dollars on our own money cash just on this merch. And it was scary because we're like, okay, like now, it's not like we're working with some T-shirt company like this is us and hopefully we don't like lose money on this, right? So, all that to say, it was still a fairly small operation. Yeah, yeah. And so on the shirts, because we started our,

all of our merch before I just said dude, I mean, we'd always introduced with WhatsApp dudes. So these shirts now said a low-hot dudes on the corner of them and We made the logo everything. It was very exciting. You had a photo shoot Yeah, sure our friends in Hawaii nobody nobody thought anything of it It was just like oh that merch looks so sick like I love it. It's I love that vibe, you know comes the day of launch. And I feel like the day of launch went really well.

Yeah. Because it was mostly our followers that saw. And they were just, not like it was like sales were flowing in. But they were just excited about they really liked it. There was positive feedback. I don't like this is so cute. Like I don't know. They like love the design, whatever. Then the following days, I don't remember exactly

when it started to... I just saw like one DM of someone who was upset that we had made that merge, and I just kind of ignored it. It's like, you know, when you get hate, you just, okay, push it off, like just ignore it, don't let it like pull you down. But then like the next day goes by,

and I think I saw like two DMs. And then another day goes by, and then it's like four DMs, and I'm like, okay, this is kind of odd. I would say it took until like day five where it got really crazy. So there were, what's crazy is that the hate was pretty much isolated to Instagram, which is not common.

I feel like hate is usually the worst on TikTok. Well, we were actually very fortunate because when people get canceled, oftentimes it's across social media platforms. And TikTok is the worst. It can be brutal. And so it was really isolated on Instagram because that's where we were promoting the merch.

We had pictures of the merch up. And we really, like not as, I didn't see a single negative or mean comment on TikTok or YouTube, but it was all on Instagram that we saw. I mean, I would never use the word lucky, but it could have been a lot worse. Yeah.

So basically these like, hate pages is really what it was. Yeah. We're bringing all this hate, telling this narrative that we were, you know, exploiting the Hawaiian language. Yeah, and exploiting the culture and that our that our merch was like this way of trying to monetize off of Hawaiian culture. And that was like never our intention. Never, and it just like completely broke my heart that someone could even think that, you know, that we're coming in here trying to just like make money off of the Hawaiian culture.

Yes. And that's not to say that I don't understand like where they were coming from, but the thing that is so terrible about social media is that your intentions or your motives are never ever considered. Like if it was pretty clear to see from us that we had no ill intent in creating this. And that just doesn't come into factor at all. And so the hate was flooding in and it was brutal. It was so scary, honestly. People were tagging us on their stories, people were DMing us, we got some very aggressive DMs,

especially. To be got death threats? Like, I wouldn't know if I would go as far as to say. Oh yes, we did. People were telling us they were saying they drove past our house. They said, we'll show you what we do with people like, like they called us howlies. Yeah.

Which is just a derogatory term for out person, white person or outsider in Hawaiian. We'll show you how we treat you guys. Like you need to go to the mother effing place that you came from. Yeah, go back to where you came from, Howley. Whatever hole you crawled out of. Like the hate was create, it was videos, it was DMs,

it was comments, it was stories, it was the magnitude of the anger coming from these people was so scary. Yeah, it was really scary. We would go out in public and that's the thing. It's such a small community out there that we would go out in public and people knew. People knew. I will never forget, we went to the gym and we knew a lot of people at the gym. But it was literally like we had a scarlet letter.

Like it was like who knows and who is so mad at us who is like Not gonna associate with us ever again because we're like a threat to their brand or to who they are is like I Don't I will never forget the looks we got and we walked into the gym that day Yeah, and I was terrified to go to the grocery store I remember you left the house to do something I go to the grocery store. I remember you left the house to do something. I went to the grocery store. Oh, you went to the grocery store.

And I was so thankful at the time that it was like the mask era. Like I had my face mask on and I was like, gosh, I hope no one recognizes me here at the grocery store. And I was terrified because I was home alone and I had read messages that said that they had driven by our house. Yeah. And this house was not secure. I mean, there was no AC.

The windows were always open Yeah, I you could easily break down that door like I was Terrified it's pretty when people are like I know where you live I want to show you what I do to you F and yeah the Drogatory insert drug or Tory word, you know, I mean the messages were out of this world and it was It felt like this world and it felt like that's the crazy thing about online hate is that like like almost none of our followers knew what was going on. But it still felt like everyone in the world hated us and like we had done something that

was it felt like we had committed the ultimate offense. You know what the you know what like, like really scared me, Abby? Which we can cut this out if this is something that you think is too personal, but I remember it was, it was so traumatizing. It was really, it was really hard on both of us, obviously. But like, I was just trying to figure out how to respond. Like I was like, we need to make an apology.

Like we need to let people know this was not our intention. So we did that, but like, remember at that time, it was so traumatic, like you, I remember, you did some self-harm. Like it wasn't like not cutting yourself, but I think you were, I don't know if you were hitting yourself in the head or what it was. I was like, why did it all stop?

Like it was so bad. But I had never seen you get to that dark of a place, and that was really scary. And I remember going up to you and just hugging you so that you couldn't do anything to hurt yourself, because. I just felt like the world was caving in. It was so weird how I'm fully an adult.

And this online hate was affecting me so much. And there's literally teenagers, there's kids on these platforms. Yeah. And that makes me never want Griffin or any of our other children to ever have their own social media platform because I couldn't handle it. Yeah. And I was an adult and I knew my character and I knew who I was. But to feel that I felt so vulnerable, I felt so misunderstood Because that was never ever ever my intentions. I was never anything I'd want to do and Whether or not people think that what we did was wrong or was it

It was Certain I think it was abundantly clear that we would never do that. If anyone actually knew this, we would never do. We had no intention of hurting anybody. Yeah. And I just felt like there was no way to solve it, and there was no way out of it, and everyone knew. It was weird because I just like, I lost my perspective.

Yeah. And it was really, really a dark time. I'd been really scary to the point where We had already made arrangements to be off the island. Yeah, shortly after that But if we hadn't we would have booked a flight. Oh, yeah, because it was it was so scary fortunately We did have a flight booked for like I don't know like a day and a half later to fly out To go be with family. And yeah, that was definitely good because then we were off the island for about a month.

And things did settle down while we were gone, but it was really really scary. Well, it's so weird when we landed on the mainland and it felt like- We felt like we were safe. Yeah, it felt like we were safe. And, you know, I think we've talked about this before, but like before that cancellation, You know, I think we've talked about this before, but like before that cancellation It's crazy how it totally flipped my perspective of living there because Before we were even considering of like considering maybe settling down for multiple years there

Well, you told me you wanted to stay for about five years because I really liked it Like I love the culture. I loved all the friends that we made I loved getting to surf and going high because you're just so active there and healthy like I really liked that, I loved all the friends that we made. I loved getting to surf and going to high, you're just so active there and healthy. I really liked that and I loved how symbol our life was there. People don't value possessions as much because everything's so freaking expensive

and Hawaii that you just don't have a lot and you just recognize that you don't need a lot to live a happy life. You can just be active and be in nature and there's so much beauty in that. But I remember that all happened and we didn't go get counseling. Like we should have gone to a counselor and we didn't. I remember like our family, like we got, we saw them and I don't know, like I don't

think anybody knew the correct, like how big that was, like how much it was scared for us. But I don't think our even our families realize like how much that affected us Like we should have definitely gone to see counseling like honestly We still should go to counseling well Okay, what I was saying though is about how it switched my perspective on living there is that like from wanting to be there for two up to five years I I was like I don't I can't I can't be here another month. Yeah, like I just felt so incredibly unwelcomed and so like I mean you don't need how many people do you need messaging you like go back to where you came from. We don't want you here.

Like yeah. Before you're like okay I'll leave. And name calling too like I had never been called names before like that. Oh off like the most awful things you can and then they were digging up things from our past and just being incredibly, it got off subject completely and it was just like, whatever we can do to torment these people, like let's do it. Any bit of dirt they could find on us from the past, I remember saying like, Well that's what canceling is, you know.

But it's crazy though, because like, even if, I don't know, it's just, it's crazy how big and nasty it can get. When people, I think people that are, I don't know, going through something maybe in their life to where they're in a really dark place and they take it out on you. Like you become a target and it's like, oh, I need to take out all my anger and pain on this person because they're the reason I'm feeling this way.

And then you just become like, I don't even think people realize why they're doing it. Yeah, I don't think they do. And I think I hear a lot of people say all the time, like, I mean, it just makes me feel better or not make it me feel better. It's like, or I can just like, you know, have peace knowing that they're probably just

living a miserable life and that's why they do it. Yeah. That doesn't make me feel any better. Yeah. Like that makes me feel like, okay, I don't want them to be miserable and I certainly don't want them making anyone else miserable.

Like, I don't know, I don't want anyone to be miserable. So we get canceled and like Abby said, this wasn't selling merch was not some like on a big business move for us. Like it wasn't about the money. So we literally, which is what so many people were exactly that was the narrative that was being told. Exactly. And so we were profiting off of this.

So yeah, we donated all profit to a local Hawaiian charity that helps support teaching the Hawaiian language to kids. It's in preschool. Which is really cool. Yes. It's really, really cool. to a local Hawaiian charity that helps support teaching the Hawaiian language to kids. It's in preschool. Which is really cool. It's really, really cool. I believe it's called a hapunana label. I don't know if I pronounced that correctly,

but we donated to that organization. And so that was cool. And I'm like, I'm really glad that we were able to do that. That is probably the best thing that came out of it. Yeah. Basically, from that point on, we tried to put on whatever filters you can put on on social media and it wasn't working.

Well, that's the thing, none of the filters we put on Instagram worked. Like, we did it. It made people more mad. Yeah, people got really mad and there was even, they got more creative. There was professional surfers that were posting about us and I had heard, yeah, I don't even want to get into it,

but it just, it just came to see. People that you had looked up to, people that you had looked up to since you were a child, making mockery of you online, and that just makes me so hurt to know that you've looked up to him since you were to these people as a role model for years. And then for them to know nothing about you, yet put you in a negative way on their platform, that's massive. Yeah, I never saw it, but I was told by friends

that there was a really, really well-known professional surfer that posted about it, just making fun of me and that really hurt. That, because it was like, that was, I don't know. Like I never would do anything intentionally to hurt somebody, and so that made me feel awful. And I was just like, I was so, yeah, there was a night. I remember there's one night we had gotten back

to the mainland and I just like, I lashed out. I was just so frustrated by the whole situation and I just didn't even know, I didn't even know what to do. Well, I honestly wanna say, shame on that person for using their platform to bring other people down. And that's something you will never mark my words, at least intentionally, you will never catch us.

Actually, no, I can promise that there's, I don't think there's any one-off circumstance where this could even happen. You will never see us use our platform to hurt or bring anybody else down, only to uplift others. Because what is the freaking point? Yeah.

Other than to stroke your own ego is really what it comes down to. Yeah. And that's why, honestly, that's why when I see other people or other creators or other celebrities getting heat online, it makes me want to come to their defense no matter what happened because the crime never fits the punishment on social media. Never. Ever, never, ever. Like someone will do a heck. Like can we just talk about the lash controversy? Oh my gosh, Mikaela on TikTok. Like and every

other, there were so many other influencers. This is what made me so agitated. Yeah. Other creators that know darn well what it feels like to get hate. Yeah. Just unfair hate. Do I think it's right to lie? No, it's not okay to lie. But do I also think it's right to defame someone completely for something making a mistake? Maskara, really maskara. Like, if you don't know what happened,

there was a controversy with this TikTok creator that she said she was using a maskara. There was speculation that she in fact was using a mascara. There was speculation that she, in fact, was using false lashes. Yes. And they weren't her real lashes with the mascara on them anyway. Multiple of massive creators, and many other smaller ones,

made videos just screw-nicing her character in her entire platform. They saw an opportunity. They saw people getting so mad at this creator. They're like, oh, I can get viewership off of this. If I make a video bashing this creator, then I will get views, I will get clout, I can get more followers, I can get more money. Let's dig this creator's grave, right?

Like, why not? What they were doing in turn was saying she can't be trusted, probably other people can't be trusted, but I can be trusted. And I just think that's incredibly manipulative to your audience. And there's multiple other people on the platform that you can trust. Like trying to create some type of monarchy

on your page. Like you're being honest, but I'm pointing fingers, everybody else is a liar out here, but you, oh no, I'm completely truthful all the time. Like really? Okay, are we really gonna go there? Well, beyond that, it's just like,

don't just, don't put distrust in other people's minds on other, I don't know, it's just ugly, and it just got, it gets so incredibly ugly. Yeah. But social media can be a doggy dog type of world. Yeah. People just jump on other people's downfall for some views. It's sad.

It's very scary, honestly. I don't know if I can think of another career that is similar in that way. Yeah. I mean, I think about politics where people dig up the most dirty things that other politicians, I hate politics, dude. But like, yeah, remember that ad that was going in Arizona. Oh my gosh When when there's political campaigns bashing on other People's political campaigns like it bugs me when all your your best foot forward is just to bash the other candidate Can you just talk about something that you would do to better the state? Yeah rather than just like be like this white can't trust them this person's dangerous

Here's this person's moodudes from when they were like 18. But the thing is, like all that works, and when you can defame somebody, it can help you win, and that's why people do it. That's why people on social media do it. It works. Well, I've had all admitted, why is it actually entertaining to know about the dirt?

To know about the dirt. And some capacity, to know about dirt, or to see somebody have some type of fall. It's just like the movies. You know, it's like it's conflict, so it's exciting in a way. But I think I have this new perspective now being on the other side of it where I'm just like all I can feel is just bad when something like that. Like I just want them to know that there are people who love them.

There are people that were forgive them. There's no forgiveness online, and cancel culture, it's like, you've messed up, you're done. But, I mean, how unrealistic is that? Everyone's made mistakes. Yeah. Every single day.

And it's so interesting that it's all about the story that gets picked up. It's like, what's the narrative that everyone believes and that just becomes reality? That just becomes truth. And it's like, what is truth? What is the actual story? Do we And it's like, what is truth? What is the actual story?

Do we even know? Like, what's the other side of the story? When you hear about these people getting canceled, like, I really wanna know all the facts and all the details because oftentimes- You never get the full story. You don't get the full story. And here's the thing, heaven forbid

that person try to defend their character. Yeah. Because that will just get chewed up and spit out. And that's kind of the position we were in Not that I even felt any desire to defend myself I just I felt honestly hopeless and weak and I just felt like the words had been ripped out of my mouth and everyone already had established what they thought about me and what they thought about me as a person So I didn't want to talk, you know, but we did, like, apologize to those that we had hurt and affected

and then donated the money and then moved on. Yeah, and ultimately, that whole situation is really why we moved out of Hawaii. Honestly, we did not feel welcome after that and it really did ruin it for us. So I mean, if that was people's goal to get us to leave, I mean, it actually worked. That was their goal. Yeah, it worked and they won. Yeah Which is sad like you don't want to like let let haters win. I'm not I don't like that. I don't like letting haters win

but for us I Think I think especially you too. I think I think I was able to get over it after a couple months It was it was extremely hurtful. It's so weird because like I don't think that people's Negative like people's thoughts on me really affect me normally. Yeah. Because like I said, I am an adult. I know who I am. And I have trusted people in my inner circle

that I fully trust to correct me when things are wrong and just, you know, encourage, like, I I trust that and I don't need the influence of strangers online. Yet something about that situation, like literally changed my like internal chemistry in a way. Like it is incredibly traumatic to look back at that time. Like at first some reason and honestly I probably need there But like, it was incredibly, it's so silly too because it's literally an app online. I don't understand how it had such a grip on me and how it still does. Um, that was such a lonely time. Because no one really knew what it felt like other than you and you were

hurting and I was hurting and then people, our friends from, we had just moved there. So we didn't have like a, I was already struggling because we were lacking community there and then the small community that we did have, I mean, I obviously understand, but there was no one really reaching out at that time. And maybe they didn't know. There was a little bit, like we did have like a few people reach out, but it wasn't like everyone that we knew, I mean like everyone knew about it. So it wasn't like our, all of our friends were like just checking in on us, that that really

didn't happen and look like it wasn't like we were our friends were like just checking in on us. That really didn't happen and look like, it wasn't like we were super close with them, but that sucked too, that we didn't have this community that was having our back. And when you get canceled to on social media, people kind of, people get scared. Like other creators get scared.

You can't associate with it. They don't wanna go down with the ship. They, they, they, they, they, they, they jump off and they're, they're getting as far away as they can from you because they don't want to get any bit of that hate because it's very... It's their livelihood. Shaman-Tizing, yeah, and it's their business too. It was an incredibly lonely time.

And from that point on, I was honestly really scared to engage with anyone because I was like, what if they know about this, what if they think it was just an incredibly shameful situation and incredibly isolating. Yeah. And it still honestly is like a page and our career or in my life honestly that is very like on a heeled like it's a wound that's like left open still We got back to what we just went to Hawaii for a month and remember we're there me arrived I think you kind of had all I don't I don't know PTSD's right where but almost like well I've never been diagnosed. I don't think we can't we can't use that term because Abby has not been diagnosed But you did get like this this like fear I think

So over dramatic I can't explain it. Maybe I'm just a dramatic person. It's okay, it's like your emotions and your feelings are totally valid, but you felt that way already back. And it was hard too, because at the same time, I didn't feel that to the level that you felt that. Like I was excited to be back in Hawaii,

but part of me, I is this is where we got canceled And this is like where you know stuff went down and so Perhaps this whole situation is why hate comments now don't affect me really maybe it's like because The worst thing I felt like the worst thing that could happen. Yeah happened Maybe now I'm like, oh, that's nothing. Maybe what didn't kill me made me stronger. Well, I definitely, that didn't happen for me though because I got some hate at the tail end of 2022 and I kind of entered a dark place for a little bit.

It was really scary. Yeah, so fast forward. Fast forward to Matt's cancellation. In December of this past year. So do you want me kind of explained? Well, I can start. So we, like I said before, we get hate all the time. Every day, there's me in the comments that come in

every single day. No one's above it. We just ignore them. But a common comment that I kept seeing on videos that I would make or say, I'm doing the dishes or I'm picking up the house or I'm taking care of Griffin, I kept seeing these comments. It wasn't a ton, but it was enough to piss me off

because there were comments like, why isn't Abby doing anything for her baby? Why isn't Abby picking up the house? Why isn't Abby doing this? And it's really, You know what's weird is- None of that bothered me. It bothered me a lot. That's true.

Because I'm like, Abby does more around the house and for my baby than I do. And so I don't want people- Now you're about to say cancel again for saying that. Oh my god. Okay. That's why I didn't- I was so scared to do this episode.

I'm like, now people are just going to read cancels again and they're- They see our wounds and they're just going to stomp on them. Well that's just- Which I think is going to happen. Oh my goodness. I trust you guys, so be strong. That's the thing, those like Abby is a breastfeeding mother

and for a dad to try, like when you're breastfeeding that's 40 hours a week that you're spending breastfeeding, we did the math, okay. It's a lot of time. And for a dad, even a very involved dad, like myself, did try to match that amount of hours. Like it's hard because you're just naturally beating yourself.

Well, the only time I wanna spend with a kid, I don't wanna just be breastfeeding too. So it's like, naturally, I'm gonna be spending more time with him. And so I'm like, here, like, I spend a ton of time with my son, but my wife spends more, and people are defaming her character, saying that she isn't doing enough,

that she's never doing anything. And the reality is, I am passionate about social media and creating video. I love storytelling. I love making videos ever since I was 12. I had a surgery when I was 12 my back because I had a tumor on my spine and it kept me from doing theater for a little bit. I was like bedridden. And that's when I picked up like my love for creating video. And so that's why like a lot of times you'll see me. I'm the one that holds the vlog camera in the YouTube videos. I'm the one doing most of the voiceovers on our TikToks.

Oh my gosh, are you okay? Are you choking? Are you okay? Are you alright? But it's my passion. And so like when I vlog my life, naturally my son is a big part of my life. And people in these videos were just like, some people were, you know, assuming that I did way more for Griffin than Abby.

Well, because that's what they were seeing more. That's what they were seeing like camera. And it was, it was pissing me off. And so I made this video where, you know, Abby was gone. I forget where you were, but I was just picking up the house, right? And our house was very messy and we work as a team. you know, Abby was gone. I forget where you were, but I was just picking up the house, right? And our house is very messy and we work as a team. Like, we do things together a lot of times.

Like, today we clean the house together. We clean the house together today. And at that time, just that stage that we were in, I was doing a lot more of the work on our videos. Like, I enjoy editing. I don't know how to edit, where's a crap. I enjoy editing. I was, I don't do any of that stuff.

I don't like cleaning, Abby doesn't like editing. So because our job is social media, I do a lot more of the editing, and Abby does more of the cleaning than I do. I don't even like social media at all. And that's okay. Actually, probably 95%. And so anyway, so I'm just.

So Matt does more of that. All that to say, you do more of that, and that is our business. Yes, exactly. So anyway, I'm picking up the house, and I'm like, ooh, I should make a. Yes, exactly. So anyway, I'm picking up the house and I'm like, ooh, I should make a video where it's like, even though I'm picking up the house and I'm taking care of Griffin,

I should make a video about how Abby does more than I do. So your intention and your heart behind that TikTok was to lift up your wife. Yeah. Yeah, in turn, you literally dug your own grave. I dug my own grave and it was horrible. I mean, the backlash was insane. We made the mistake of not taking off duets

and stitches off of our TikTok. It was mostly the stitches. That really got us. Because on TikTok, look, people are scrolling on their 4U page. And so if you don't provide a strong enough hook in the first, like, three seconds of the video, people are gone.

They're not going to watch your video. And so most TikTokers provide a pretty strong hook in the beginning. three seconds of the video, people are gone. They're not gonna watch your video. And so most TikTokers provide a pretty strong hook in the beginning. Just share your hook. And my, oh my gosh, see my hook sounds so bad. Looking back, I'm like, wow, that was so stupid. But like the hook that I made was, don't be fooled by me taking care of this.

Don't be fooled by me taking care of my son because most of the time my wife does that. That was my hook for the video. Yeah, honestly, it doesn't represent you well at all. Really, and honestly, that's, that's... It's not even truthful. That really honestly isn't truthful. I really did believe you. You were up with, for instance, Matt was up with Gryffin last night from 2.30am to 5.30am.

It was horrible. Yeah, it was like a three hour stretch tonight. That was all Matt. I wake up with Gryffin at night. I didn't get out of bed. I'm the one that puts Gryffin down for naps. I sing to him when he falls asleep. Basically, all I say is that we co-parent.

Yes. Is that still called co-parenting for married? We're a team. We co-parent. We are a team in every aspect and from business to home. Yeah, and because we're a team, if one of us is ever watching Griffin alone, we call it Griffin duty.

So if I'm gone, Abby's on Griffin duty because she's the only person watching Griffin, it's no longer a team effort, she's watching by herself. I'm always a mom, you're always a dad. Yes. But when our son is one of our soul responsibility, that's what we call it. So Abby was gone, so I was on Griffin duty,

because we were not parenting as a team, and I mentioned that in the video, people were wrecking me for that. And like, people just really came from me, and it got so, it got really bad. Yeah, there was like stitches that had over a million likes. And it was over there. Here's the deal.

I could have been more proactive and probably like removed comments. Maybe I could have even deleted the video. We didn't really know what was going on for a while. Because it was Christmas time. We were enjoying time with our family. We were kind of staying off social media. I wasn't aware how bad it got.

And once I saw how bad it got, there was no going back. Here's how I knew how bad it got. People were starting to reach out. People were texting me. My sister-in-law, some of my friends from college, other people that create content were texting me. And I was like, yeah, this is getting probably bad. I did not even see a fraction of the stitches

because as soon as I saw the hate, I was like, for me, I'm like, I don't wanna consume that. Like, I don't need that. And I know that because it was about you, that I would get super claws out. You know what I mean? Protect guard dog. And that's kind of what happened when I made like a,

we call it the sassy TikTok I made. I made a sassy response back because. We literally titled the video sassy response. Sassy response. And our documents on our computer. Yeah. response back because we literally titled the video sassy response in our in our documents on our computer yeah because the thing was it's like it was different from what the Hawaii experience because this was literally so stupid because you are such an excellent husband you are such an excellent dad for

anyone to say anything different it's just they clearly don't know you. And so that's why it was like so stupid. I didn't take it seriously, while I'm sure it hurt your feelings, everyone in your life is like, this is the most ignorant thing that could happen, the most unfounded claims about you. So while it was horrible, they hate you were getting,

it was like, this is so not real. Like, it just sucked to get on TikTok, and like the second I get on TikTok, it'd be a video about me. Yeah, that's right. And someone just like roasting me, like video after video roasting me, and it just like, it sucked,

because I became like a virtual punching bag. And, I think that there was so much anger that people had about their own husband and their own, like, I don't know, if they were single mother without, there was just so much misplaced anger that got thrown on you. It really became a trend to stitch the video, to stitch my, don't be fooled by maintaining here my son because my wife does that most of the time. I forget, yeah, whatever the line was.

People would clip that and not watch any more of the video and then just roast it. Which, I'm sorry, what kind of bum dad would even admit that? Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? That should be their first clue that, okay, wait, maybe this was... Maybe I need to look a little bit deeper. How did nobody, like me, you, we also have an editor that works for us as well, wait, maybe this was, maybe I need to look a little bit deeper. How did nobody, like me, you, we also have an editor that works for us as well,

because there's so much editing. Like I edit like 40 hours a week, but then we have another editor, like editing 40 hours a week. Like how did no one catch that? Like we totally, like this video. I think I was just like, it's Christmas time. I was just, I don't even know if I saw the video

before it got posted. Yeah, I don't know. Or I think, no before it got posted. Yeah, I don't know. Or I think I, no, you know what? I think I saw it and you were like pretty much praising me the whole time. Yeah, okay. And I was like, you're so sweet. I think it takes someone twisting the narrative to, I don't know, make it seem bad. Yeah, it definitely, it was a crappy time.

And I think what really started to hurt my feelings too was seeing like friends of friends of ours make videos about it as well. Like we have, I don't know, no one that like we're directly friends with made a video. I hate video, no no. But like I saw mutuals of ours on TikTok, people that we follow and they follow us.

And we thought we were friends, we thought we were cool. I saw them commenting like really. Cause mutuals come up top on the con. You can see mutuals at the top. So I was seeing all these mutuals commenting about me and just like wrecking my life. And I'm like, wow. I thought we were cool.

Like do you seriously like, do you really believe that about me? Like that really hurts my feelings. And that sucked. I think for me, I am, okay, and wow, this is really gonna just suck. You're gonna be, but something about me, I'm like a writer die for people. And like I think you me I am okay, and wow this is really gonna just sound like you're gonna be but something about me I'm like a ride or die for people and like I think you know that like I'm still like that's just I'm loyal and so you would never

It's shocking to me that someone that could Messages privately acting like our friend could then publicly comment keep in mind None of these people had ever privately reached out, even though they had our phone number. They had our, or they could privately message us because we have the settings where it's like if you fall, if your mutual, like, mutual friends on the platform, then they can send you a private message or say like, I saw this concerning video, like, I really hope you're stepping up as, no, nothing, nothing at all like that. It was the public comment, and that's just because it's their own ego. And there was a particular creator.

I'm not gonna say who it was, cause I don't wanna like, I don't wanna start anything. I, I know you're gonna say it and then people are gonna try to find it. I'm not gonna say who it was, okay? But there was one particular creator that just like roasted my life in this TikTok they made.

And it was a friend of one of our friends. I'm like, they know that we have mutual friends. Like why? It was a friend of one of our friends. I'm like, they know that we have mutual friends. Like why? It was a friend of one of our friends, but more importantly, you were a fan of them. Major fan. Abby was a major fan of them.

And I was like, you're kidding. Like this girl that we thought was so cool and so nice, saw an opportunity for views and decided to just go off. And get this, other mutuals that we know? Commenting on her video. Yep. And not a defending way to you. So I think that is literally like,

it has given me a jaded perspective of social media in general. Like now I'm like, I, this is all fake. Yeah. In a way, which it's not, there are so many genuinely amazing people and amazing genuine friends we have that make social media video. I know their videos are real, but I think it's what made me feel like in general, this is fake.

Yeah. And this is so shallow. You know, it was so interesting though about the video is we didn't get hate really on any other platform. Like it was just isolated to TikTok again, just like our first cancellation on Instagram. This one was just on TikTok, our YouTube shorts viewers,

like they understood the message, they're like, ah, like. Like, it was the same exact video, nothing different about the video, but our YouTube shorts viewers understood, they understood that I was recognizing Abby and recognizing the role that she plays in our relationship and that we work as a team. We take on different roles in this team that we're on. And so that was so interesting that

the same video got a completely different response on TikTok than it did on Facebook on YouTube. I didn't we didn't post it on Instagram because after we were about to and I was like, yeah, maybe I should have. Heck no. Yeah, because after we about to and I was like, yeah, maybe I should. I had no. Yeah, because after we got the hate, but yeah, that was really fascinating. Yeah. That whole experience I feel like has since marked our TikTok account as a target. Yeah, there's a small community of people on TikTok now that just I feel like no matter what we post, they just want to rip us apart.

Dude someone that's like married to one of the try guys made a massive video that stitched that was stitching it and I feel like that video because it blew up so much. I think a bunch of her followers or people that saw the video ended up following us to be a hate follow. And now we are at their mercy. Was that the video about how a surprise isn't picking up the house or surprises taking your family to Disney World? Is that the video?

Which like- Which, I mean, maybe if you're incredibly wealthy and like, in what situation can there not be small and large surprises? People in relationships divide roles in a relationship and so say your thing that you do is unloading the dishwasher, and then your partner ends up unloading the dishwasher without you knowing, that's a surprise.

That really means a lot when your partner does something that you typically do just to show you their love. I could do something so small and expect you to be surprised by it. And it's about love languages too. It's like is your love language acts of service? My love language is acts of service. Yes, is your love language gifts. I mean, it really is acts of service. Yes, is your love language gifts?

I mean, it really comes down to that. And so that's why I was like, man, like, people really are. Honestly, your love language is making food for you. I love food, dude. Yeah, so that's, but then I was in trouble because I was somehow like a terrible traditional role that I as the wife was making my husband food. Yeah, that's the thing.

I mean, like I said in that video that I as the wife was making my husband food. Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, like I said in that video that I got Switch Hay and On that we take on traditional roles in our marriage, which like really, I would say a very extremely modern version of traditional marriage. Honestly, yeah, I mean, because like I do more of our business stuff than you do, but at the same time like I wake up every single time griffin' wakes up in the night. I put him down for bed, like...

I would hardly call it honestly even traditional anymore because... That's true. That's true. Like, anyone that spends any stretch of time with us, like, we really are fluid in our roles. Yeah. And, um, yeah. But it's weird because now, like, I go on TikTok and the video will be like what I made my husband for dinner Oh my god, and all the comments are be like does he ever make you dinner? Oh, and like people

I'm like that's just like our culture right now like we are literally living in a man hating culture and As a mother to a son that makes my heart really sad like I would hope that my son watch me. Oh, it's okay It's okay. You got this. You got this. That my son could grow up and there could be males and females uplifting him and rooting him on and not hitting him for his gender or yeah, you know, thinking a certain way about him because he's a man. I don't know. That's just, I always told Matt when I was feeling really spunky about this whole topic. I was like, I really want to make a story and I want to make it just say, I can't wait

for us as a culture to grow up and stop man, like hating on our men. Like, if you want to see men step up, give them room to step up. I don't know, but Matt's not the person to be. You're doing great job. Thank you. Thank you. It was just the most outrageous thing in that type of hate was honestly laughable because it's so not true,

but I know it was hurtful too. Yeah, it was weird. I was almost like mad at myself for like how much I let it affect me. It kind of really ruined, especially TikTok for me for a long time. We didn't close. It kind of ruined Christmas.

Yeah, Christmas sucked, because I was just like, I was like, hey, Christmas didn't stop. It was just, I was really down, honey. Like I was really, really down. And it just, it's, I feel like you kept a lot of that in. I did. Yeah, I need to be better about like opening up more

and like explaining how I feel when I'm down Cuz I've never seen you cry. Yeah, I don't really I don't know I Don't really cry very much, but I filmed I filmed like seven response videos to that video I really wanted to say something, but then I don't know I couldn't get the words right and then so so me that does not respond well if people and because people respond to hate people were painting Abby as a victim so like Abby was like I want to make this video because like yeah I don't regret that video it makes way more sense for me to make it yeah I don't regret that video because people were like literally making me seem like such a yeah like you said like a victim yeah of

a terrible husband I'm like that I am not and that's honestly ridiculous so I made a video I normally when we get hate it's just like yeah we don't say anything we don't respond to it because we don't want to bring light to negativity that's honestly ridiculous. So I made a video. I normally, when we get hate, it's just like, we don't say anything, we don't respond to it because we don't want to bring light to negativity. That's not what our platform is about. We want to build our platform on positivity and there's so many incredibly nice people. Also, I think about this fact all the time.

Shout out to the silent followers. Honestly, all of you, like, I know if you're a silent follower, just like, no, I'm so thankful for you because Not because I don't want you to like or comment or anything like that But like that is how I am with so many people. I'm like, I've realized I am such a dedicated fan and follower to many people That I've never once DMed message or DMed or commented or anything public for yeah, I like I never comment Yeah, I'm rooting them on. Yeah.

I am like, I'm cheer, cheer here for them. Yeah. Yeah, I'm, they would never know it. And so, um, thank you to you guys, because I know you're there, and you don't have to comment anything, just know that I'm thankful for you. And I know that, just know that your presence

makes a difference in building our community and making us feel encouraged. You guys are the absolute best. It's amazing, like you're saying that right now, I'm also a viewer. I like never comment or DM or really interact. I probably should more. But I just, I view content and I never like

say something, especially if there's a negativity about somebody and I'm like, this is stupid, but I don't say anything. You don't want to get people after you now, you don't want to get into a comment world with somebody, because then it ruins your day. Then you start having a bad day that you got into a comment war and it's one's comments because you're trying to defend

a creator that you like. It's just so stupid. Yeah, so it's so stupid. I mean, all that to say, the people the people that we've ever expected people to publicly comment whenever we were going down, we don't want them to go down with the ship with us. And thank you to all the friends that like reached out to us during that time too, because it really means a lot. Like when you're getting hated on on social media, it really means so much when other creators

reach out to you, check on you, see how you're doing. To bring you back down to earth and just let you know that like not everyone believes this lie about me. Yeah. And that you are loved and that may mean so much. And I kind of wanted to go back to us talking about the Hawaii cancellation. I should say Hawaii, I should say the low-ha-dose. Real quick, can we just talk about how the search,

like this whole new TikTok search, I think affected the cancellation in 2018. The TikTok search bar is problematic because then on the video What happened is like it was like mat nabi canceled mat nabi conflict mat nabi controversy Mat nabi drama so like now that there's a search bar on tiktok It just views all the drama and really it's so smart by tiktok as a company because it gets people on the app longer tiktok such a More negative platform. Yeah, it gets so negative. And there were literally drama channels

being like the drama with Matt and Abby. I'm like, what drama? No, I never watched a single one. I just scrolled past if I saw one because I was like, what freaking drama? I watched a couple of the videos and they really hurt my feelings. So I just stopped.

Cause it just hurt too much. The TikTok search bar is so problematic because any given video you look at, it'll have that creator's name and controversy or drama next to it. So common. And it's just made the app such a negative, dark place, honestly.

Which I think from the app's perspective, it makes sense. It keeps people on the app longer. People want to know about the controversy of all these creators. It does interest me. I'm not going to lie. But I think long term it's a bad play for TikTok

because then it's going gonna spew more negativity towards social media and people are gonna be like, I don't feel full when I leave the app, you know? Well, it's gonna also discourage people from creating on the platform because it's scary, you know? To be at the mercy of so many like, hateful viewers. Yeah. And all I have to say, I don't want this episode to just seem so negative or like

a pity party, like I've said, like, I feel really thankful. And there's been more positive than bad things that have come of it. But this is just, I feel like this podcast is the purpose of this is to talk about things that maybe aren't, I don't feel as safe talking about elsewhere. Yeah. Because we can provide so much more context and so much more background to our hearts and our true character. Yeah.

So. I love that people are listening and viewing and they're watching an hour long episode. They're not just watching a 30-second TikTok, taking everything out of context, and having a flawed view of us, I love that our viewers on the podcast. I think have an accurate representation of who we are, I hope.

And so, that's really cool. You were saying something earlier about Hawaii, though, and I wanted to go back to that. I wanted to say that, like, what really got me through that hard time? And I'll be honest, like, the months following it that we lived in Hawaii were honestly got worse for me because of personal circumstances.

And then I had all those negative, horrible things still in the back of my mind. And I was like, I'm still living in this place where people don't want me. What kept me through was community. And true, real community, not, not you know there's true online community but specifically in person community and that's really why I got so addicted to CrossFit at the time and I think that the people that were at that gym like were like the dedicated members would have no idea the effect that they had on me and my mental health and just my sense of belonging there.

I knew that I could come every morning and see them and there'd be real people and they'd be encouraging me, they'd be rooting me on and that is, like I am not a fitness girly. Like I love to work out as a hobby, but like CrossFit is, I feel like it's for like the dedicated people, which really isn't me. Yeah, I mean and I'm not out here Like trying to PR and it was our neighbors too. I think that really helped we had some really good friends

Our next were neighbors that we did not know before moving to Hawaii just became really close friends of ours And well that was my second point those were the two things. Yeah, and then it was our neighbors like you said they they don't We never really posted with them. Yeah, or ever sending anything about them And then it was our neighbors. Like you said, they don't, we never really posted with them, or ever sending anything about them, but they got me through, we shared dinners, like home cooked dinners with them, like almost every single night there. And I think no matter how horrible my day had been,

like I knew that I could unplug and go over to their house or they could come over to our house, and we could just eat and play cards. We played so many card games. We played cover your assets like every single night. I'm not really deal and that really kept me grounded and sane through such a hard time online. Yeah, I think for me at the end of 2022,

I hope you. Yeah, I hope you. That forced me to get off TikTok. I was kind of off for a little bit and off of social media for the most part. I mean, I was posting a little bit here and there but I wasn't scrolling, I wasn't viewing. I just, I couldn't take any more of the negativity

and that was really good. It was like, I need to have more time off of social media because it can be so damaging. And then I went on a little snowboarding trip with some friends actually with Derek Beiston, who was just on our podcast, and that was very, very fun and very refreshing. Yeah, and don't get me wrong,

social media can be in so many ways such a good thing. Like, I'm inspired by people all the time and encouraged and excited. I think that, you know, we're good and bad. It's just like you know, there's good and bad. It's just like real life. There's good and bad. And unfortunately, I feel like the bad is heightened on social media and the good is heightened too. You know, there's, there's,

there's even though like the negativity can is really bad. Like, I think there's also the same flip side with positivity. There's such a thing as too much positivity to where it's not healthy. What do they call that? Like toxic positivity? Yeah, toxic positivity.

Is that it? Where it's like, you only talk about the positive things, where it almost makes it seem like the negative things are real or don't exist or get in fact. And that's just weird, like as creators that wanna be real with you guys, it's hard to navigate that, because we don't wanna just sit here

and talk about all this negative crap, but we don't wanna sit here and also be like so positive and and overly positive that everyone's like okay BS like that's not real. It's a balance. That's impossible to find yeah We're always trying to find the balance there so anyway I was about to say comment if we're doing a good job of that but then I'm like yeah, I really actually don't I don't know if that's like good Just get get more like we shouldn't ask for more feedback because we are to get enough feedback from people Yeah, but speaking of feedback. This is the type of

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