The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby - Kara and Nate on Traveling to 100+ Countries, Swimming Alcatraz & Deciding to Not Have Kids

Episode Date: August 2, 2023

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I never ever thought that I would find myself at 32 years old without kids. We swam from Alcatraz to San Francisco and neither one of us are swimmers. It was definitely like the scariest thing that I've done. Oh, many times if you had a bride, people. In Mexico, there's random police stops for no reason. He was going to like take me to the police station and it was going to be all the stuff and then there was kind of like this moment of pause, you know what this is. I know what this is.

Here's its one. Yeah, we had like no food or water. Oh, but it was all on us. and then there was kind of like this moment of pause, you know what this is, I know what this is. Here's it's 20. Yeah, we had like no food or water, I think it was all on us. Rain would bring all these crabs out of the ground. Dowsons would come out at night. You weren't literally just crawling over us while we were sleeping.

I had a worm that came out of my back. And it was still alive. Thank you to AG1 for sponsoring this episode of the unplanned podcast. What's up, dude? And welcome episode of the unplanned podcast. What's up, dude? And welcome back to the unplanned podcast. Woo! Yay!

Wow, the energy in this room. Love it! Kira and Nate, welcome to the unplanned podcast. We're so happy you're here. So cool. To meet you guys and to have you on. Kira and Nate were just in Singapore, right? Yeah.

And they just got done spending four days with the, oh my gosh, I'm gonna butcher the name. The... Menta-wise. The Menta-wise tribe in Indonesia, or of Indonesia. Yes. Incredible. You guys are...

We just got this land from Asia. Like three days ago. Three days ago. It was today. Yeah, we flew the world's longest non-stop flight. So it's Singapore to New York. It's 19 hours. Holy cow. So our bodies and then we were in central time and now we've moved to West Coast time. I don't always look this time. That would send me into labor at this point. And you guys

have been to 19 hours. You've been to over 100 countries 39 of the 50 states. You lived out of a van for two years documenting all of this on YouTube. How did all of this get started? It started with saving up $35,000 to go travel for one year. That was the plan. The plan was never to start a YouTube channel and make this our career.

And I think that's the only reason that it worked. Yes. Is because that wasn't the goal, because if that would have been the goal, it all happened so slowly that I think we would have just gotten frustrated and given up Travel was our number one priority like we just wanted to see as much of the world as possible and that was Above all else like YouTube was so secondary and I also think that's why it worked because Like YouTube just kind of came naturally.

With it, we were so pumped about what we were doing that we wanted to film everything. Now, I feel like there's been a shift in making videos and telling stories is that new challenge. Travel has become more just our normal life. It's crazy to say, but that just kind of is what we do now. It's not as like oh my gosh we're traveling. This is crazy. Like let's get the camera out. So it's like before the challenge was like figuring out how to travel without any money. And now it's like how do we tell the best story? Wow. So it's really shifted. Like our journey has been crazy but it's awesome. Do you guys want to home? Like do you actually have a house anywhere? We have been close to the band.

The closest thing we have to a house is the band that's sitting in my parents' driveway. We're no way to like literally no house, no apartment, nothing. Like you literally don't, so where do you keep on your stuff? It's spread out across the country. So, we, when we originally left, the plan was to be gone for a year. So, we broke our apartment lease and put our stuff in storage. Okay. And so we had a storage unit for like five years.

My uncle owned the storage unit, so we weren't paying for it. Or I think we would have ripped the bandaid off sooner. But last year, my parents were like, you don't want any of this stuff in here. It's taking up space. And they literally just opened our storage unit up and had a garage cell. So all like, we have a closet at my parents house and a van that we have some stuff in and that's pretty much all the stuff we have. I love that. It was kind of sad though because we got married in 2013. Okay. And obviously when you get married you have showers, you get all these new gifts. Like yeah, we had all this stuff.

Some things that weren't even opened yet. Like unopened wedding gifts in that storage unit. And we left two years later, and so all that stuff was just sitting there gathering dust and had like my spook on it and all this stuff. Oh, my whole. All that stuff just got sold for like nothing, and we'll never see it again, but.

Yeah, our priorities just changed. Like for the longest time, we thought we were gonna come home, we were gonna have a normal life. Of course, we're gonna keep all this in storage. Otherwise, like if we didn't know, it was gonna turn out this way, we just would have sold it all at the very beginning. But that's a crazy idea to like travel the world for an entire year. Like, whose idea was that? The root of all of our adventures is Nate. Like, I just kind of am along for the ride and got really lucky with who I married. But when we got married

in 2013, we had never traveled. Like, I had been to the beach in Florida. Like, we grew up in Nashville. I'd been to Canada like once, and that was about it. Like, travel was not a part of our lives, but we really wanted to go on a cool honeymoon, but we didn't have any money. We were fresh out of college.

So Nate was in charge of the honeymoon. Do you want to tell your portion of that? Do you know what group on is? I feel like he might be going to my mom loves deals and he begins group on. Midwest moms love group on. So like around. And it's like your Midwest mom.

Yeah. Around the time of our honeymoon, group on was like at its peak. And so I booked our honeymoon on group on. Which was definitely a risk because I booked this private island in Belize So had it have not been good it would have been horrible because we would have been stuck on this terrible private island But it was actually incredible like the the group home part of it worked out shout out to Groupon shout out to Groupon I don't even know if it's still a website

But I it was like the first international trip I had ever booked to myself and I booked it wrong. So we got kicked off a day early. Like the day we thought was before our last day, they were like, so you're leaving the island this morning and we were like, no, no, why are we gonna go? We were terrified. But it was full of stuff. Why are we supposed to?

So we literally got kicked off the island. Oh my gosh. So we booked a hotel at the like port town that left off, which was not the island that we had been on. Very different. I remember we checked in and they handed us a can of bug spray. And that was like there, there will be bugs in your room.

This is our solution. Here's your can of bug spray. Can we just come from this beautiful, all-inclusive island? But that night, there just happened to be this like lobster festival in town. And we went out and it's bored the local town. And that was one of the best days of our entire honeymoon. And I think that planet aced for, it was really cool getting to see local life in this country.

Let's start to do some more of it. And also when I planned our honeymoon, I was just figuring out how we could do as cheap as possible. And I discovered credit card miles and points. And so I signed up for a first travel credit card and used that credit card to get a free flight. And then that hooked me. And that was like my hobby for the next three years

was how can we sign up for these cards and work the system and get a bunch of points. And so the first two years we were married, we traveled to 13 different countries using miles and points and just like working the system. The mat doesn't act like he doesn't care about points or the travel miles and look at them. 13 countries on that.

You're gonna do it right. I guess I, I guess. He gives people grief for it, he really does. No, it was like a full-time hobby. Like, we both had full-time jobs at the time, but like, as soon as I would get home from work, Nate worked from our apartment, it was like fun work time,

and Nate would like do all this miles and points research. We would go on dates that were travel hacking dates. Like, we would go sit at like, part of Noble and read travel books and Nate would like, travel hack and- You used to be able to buy these gift cards and basically like, it was kind of a gray area. I don't think it was illegal, but like, you were basically just moving money around in the circle because like when you sign up for a card

To get the points you have to spend like $4,000 or something, right? Well, we were we would literally go to staples on like a Friday night at eight o'clock and buy these weird Reloadable cards and like go home and like you do our travel Hacking card and then you would use that gift card to pay off your credit card So like you were literally just moving the money in a circle? It was crazy. Okay, now I wanna do that.

That's it. We'll see that in a little while. That's how it's the good old days. You can't do it. No, yeah, they shut it down. Yeah, that's so sad. But there are still other ways. Like, there are still fun travel hacking things

that you can do for dates if you want. Those trips that we took with those credit card points, we started meeting people on those trips. And like, coming from Tennessee, nobody took like a year between high school and college to go, like a gap year to go figure out what they wanted to do with their life. Like it's very common in Europe.

And we started meeting all these people who were like traveling for six months or traveling for a year. And that's kind of like what opened our mind to this being a possibility. I love that. And so that's ultimately what inspired the year long trip around the world.

Okay, here's my my question for you because like I love meeting people from all over the world. I love meeting people who I don't know have just like a totally different background and do like what you guys mentioned that that whole sporadic unplanned festival lobster festival you said in Belize. That sounds so fun. But then my whole up though is like, I don't know coming from I'm I grew up in St. Louis, Missouri and some people are like, oh my gosh, St. Louis. It's so dangerous This is not dangerous. Like sure. There's dangerous parts But like there's it's very very safe and I feel like everywhere in the world has that there's always well if you know if you're like a resident You know what to do where to go or not to, and so like, when I go to other countries,

it's not that I'm like scared. I'm just like, I have literally no freaking clue like which parts are the safe parts and which parts are not the safe parts. So then how did you feel comfortable like, oh, this is, let's just go out and like, go to this lobster festival, like how did you, how did you know it was safe, I guess?

I think that's kind of the beauty of it. We were just like so blissfully unaware. Like we were just so fresh to everything that we were pretty wide eyed. Like, when we got kicked off our island and went to mainland Belize, like, it is not honeymoon vibes over there. And I was like, what is going on?

This is a disaster. But then, yeah, I just remember going out to the beach and they had all these like light strung up and it was only locals. Like, I'm pretty sure we were the only foreigners there. And it was a little intimidating at first just because we'd never been in that scenario before. Yeah. But then yeah, we got a cocktail, we ate some lobster, we made new friends, there was music playing and it just made me realize that we're all the same. Like of course there are places that

are scattered in other places but yeah. We have yet to find somewhere that we're not comfortable and don't feel welcomed by the people. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it's inevitable, but yeah, we've gotten pretty lucky. Yeah, I think I'm an eternal optimist. So like in the beginning, you just figured everything would work out. And then that has kind of been our track record up to this point is we have found good people everywhere we've gone. So now there's kind of like, there's something to back up my optimism.

So I think we feel just pretty comfortable in those places. I mean, you can get a vibe for a place. Like there's definitely, you know, streets we've walked down where we've turned around and been like that doesn't feel like the right area of town that we should be in, or you just start to walk a little more quickly. But.

Yeah, Nate's also very aware. Like, we don't just walk around blind and just kind of... I think my street smarts really suck. So like, I'm like, I'm sure you guys have really good street smarts. Yeah, my mind sucks. I'm mostly curious, do you guys speak other languages? Yeah, that was your question. No.

No way. A little bit of Spanish, like from high school. So it's not like we're carrying on conversations, but we have some Spanish vocabulary. Okay, for people that have been to over 100 countries, that's impressive. Yeah So it's not like we're carrying on conversations, but we have some Spanish vocabulary. Okay, for people that have been to over 100 countries, that's impressive. Yeah, it's pretty sad. It's not even though,

to not even know two languages fluently, but just to just do it with one, that's cool. Because you're in the... Hello and thank you. And then delicious is the third word that we like to learn in other countries. That gets you really long. It makes people smile and just kind of like opens the door.

Yeah, I love that. That's really cute. I find myself, we're just in Mexico and like it's just so fun to be like, oh, look how much stuff. No, it really happens. You agree every Oh, sorry. server or anyone that we saw you like, oh, look how much stuff. And I don't think they were actually convinced that he spoke Spanish, but enough that they would respond. Yeah, they would. In full Spanish, like very fast, and then I'd be, yeah, as far as he goes, he'd be smiling. And then I'm like, they were, they were totally testing me, but I really want to learn though.

Like I think it'd be so cool to learn language, especially Spanish, because it opens up like pretty much all of South America. Yeah, so that would be my first one I would learn if I was going to take the time. I think it's a lot easier to go to a country like like somewhere in Asia where you don't look like the people because then you walk up and they just assume you don't speak the language and you immediately go to like hand motions and gestures and trying to figure it out. And then like that just works like you can communicate so much with just like body language, but it's a lot harder for us in like Western Europe,

like in France or something like that, where we could be French. And so you- That's what they're mustache. Yeah, I can see it. You walk up and then it's like, they start speaking to you and it's like, okay, am I gonna let this person waste their breath

and keep going or do I like rudely stop them? I don't speak French, I have no cool what you're saying, but you're still talking. So my go-to places like that is I just open with hello just so it's like we don't have, I wouldn't be saying hello if I spoke French and so it's just let's go ahead and just establish this right now and we'll immediately go to hand gestures. Yeah, that's probably a good bet. How did you guys meet, by the way? Like, what's your love story to do?

All of this travel together. I'm curious how you guys met and what that story looks like. We met in high school. No way. So Nate asked me to prom in 2007. Oh. And I said, yes, I was a sophomore. He was a senior.

He was about to go to college. And I was like the fun one in high school. Like I'd never wanted to be tied down in a relationship. New Nate was going to college, but also had to say yes to go to prom because he was like a really hot senior. It was her opportunity to go to prom. Yes, you were sophomore. Oh, yeah.

So prom was amazing. We like, I don't want to say fell in love, but we really liked each other and hung out every single day that summer after prom. But knowing he was leaving, I didn't want to get to attach because I was like, he's going to go to college or it's going to be all these other girls. We're definitely not staying together.

I'm not going to have a boyfriend three hours away when that's no fun. So yeah, we tried not to get too attached but also spent the entire summer together and like the night before he left, I just like broke down like, I love you and I don't want you to go and I don't want to break up.

Well, we had to say we were dating at that point because we were like, it would be dumb to date somebody before I go to college. Yeah, we were like, right before we left, it was like, we either need to say that we're dating and like try to do this or it was a fun summer. Yeah, so we made that decision to stay together. But I was so convinced that we were gonna break up

that I had burned, this is back when you burned CDs. I burned a breakup CD. Oh! I actually, for some reason, I've had a very easy life, but for some reason, I love the saddest song in every album. Like, usually it's my favorite, but I've never had a reason to really want to feel those sad songs, and I was like, this is going to be my moment.

We're going to break up, and then I'm going to listen to all my favorite sad songs. That's hilarious. But you didn't break up? We never broke up. No way. And this was when, this was, you were at 17, wait, 18 and 16.

Yeah, 18 and 16. And he was three hours away. And like I cheered. And so every Friday night, I had to be at like, whatever sports game was happening at my school. And so like we really didn't see each other that much. Like it's not like I could go up to visit him every weekend because I was busy.

And your mom would let you. And my mom was a little protective at the time. Fair enough, good for her. But yeah, Nate came home every once in a while and I think that's why it worked for us in the beginning. We were kind of forced to have this, we just talked on the phone every night. There were no physical distractions

for two whole years, basically. And we really just got to know each other. It would have been so easy to break up because we never would have seen each other again. It would have been like, we're done by and easy to break up ever. Like we would run into each other like we would have just been completely separate.

And there was just no pressure. Like Nate wasn't jealous. We just didn't put any pressure on it and stuck with it long enough that it eventually worked. Yeah, and then I ended up coming to the same college once I finished high school and we got married right after. Did you guys get married in college?

Yeah, right after. Oh, right after. Yeah, so I graduated in 2013 in May and we got married in June. See, we broke the mold and made our family mad by getting married in college. Oh, you did? My brother just the same. No, they came around. They were happy for us and everyone.

At first, they were like, what the freak are you doing? And then they were like, okay, this is good. Yeah, I support this. Do you have any, like, what do you know? Yeah, exactly. Like looking back, do you feel like that was crazy or are you glad you did it? Glad we did it. I'm so glad we did it.

It is crazy though. Like, I was in Gisgett 19. I think about that now. And I'm like, that is why my parents had a heart attack. Like, of course, that's definitely not for everybody and that doesn't always work out like that. So, I love it. Wild.

So you guys get married and then you said it was two years after you got married that you started, or wait, I'm sorry, how many years after you got married was it that you sent it and did 100 countries or started the journey to 100 countries? About two years later. Yeah, yeah, we were actually, so almost exactly two years after we got married, we were sitting at a dairy queen because we had a coupon.

I went get one free coupon for a blizzard. I was so ch... We had no money. That's me too. I was a preschool teacher and Nate was attempting to start businesses from the spare bedroom of our apartment. We were not...

So in the winter time, Derek Queen would give you these bio and get one free blizzard coupons because who wants to eat ice cream in the middle of the winter. So we were sitting at Derek Queen, we were eating our cold ice cream, bundled up. We had just finished up a couple trips like to the other side of the world where we were meeting these people,

doing these big trips and we were like, what if we did a big trip? Like what if we just decided like one year, put everything on hold and like let's just see as much as we can, like let's save every penny, every mile and point that we can. It's gone all the travel hacking days and just do it. Like before life gets too crazy, we're going to come back,

we'll have kids, everything will go back to normal, but like let's do this. And so we picked a date that night. We're like one year from now, we're leaving, and we're going to travel for a year, and we're going to start telling people. And that was like the biggest decision we've ever made. Yeah, I think telling people was the big thing.

Like that made it real. Because once you start telling a bunch of people that you're gonna leave and travel for a year, it's a lot harder to back out, right? Well, I feel like- And then we left the next time you did it. And you did it. Yeah, you guys telling me that,

like that was the same exact energy we had when we were like- We're moving to Hawaii. We're like TikTok is our job, and YouTube is our job. We can do this anywhere. We should move to Hawaii. Like that was like the same energy. Yeah.

But a challenge that we faced was like, find a community, we didn't like really know anybody other than some people we knew from social media. How did you guys have community when you're traveling the whole entire world? Mm-hmm. Honestly, I don't think we've slowed down enough to feel the lack of physical community.

Like we've just been going a thousand miles an hour since January of 2016. Wow. The first four years, we had this goal of going to a hundred countries, which was just full on, and we were just having the time of our lives. And in the back of our minds, it was like, we're gonna go home, we're gonna plug right back in to our community. Yeah. You know, like it didn't feel like a permanent thing.

Then we went to our 100th country, came home right before the pandemic. Like literally January 2020, we were like, we did it! What do we do now? And then it was like, nothing pandemic. So we were kind of forced to slow down for the first time, but we were back in the US.

We had made some other YouTuber friends at that point that we could really relate to, thankfully. I do think that was a huge part in us feeling less lonely during the craziness of 2020 and 2021. But yeah, we have a very strong digital community now. So FaceTime, like do you guys FaceTime your parents every week or siblings or how do you stay connected with people when you're traveling? It's not scheduled. I think, honestly, I think we're really bad at it. We are. I think we move so fast and we have each other that, yeah, we just haven't really

felt the lack of community. Like it's almost like we don't have the capacity to even have a community. And that sounds really sad. I think one day, we will slow down and have more deep connections with people. But I really like it's cheesy as it sounds like we have each other. And I don't know what we would do without each other. Truly, I don't know how anyone does it alone. If I was doing this alone,

it would have been over a long time ago. Like, it is the only reason we are still able to live this life is because we're able to do it together. And like split the roles. When I'm feeling down, Nate picks up the slack. The vice versa. The other day, I was like fully out of it, slept for 24 hours, and Nate literally went out

and filmed an entire video. Which kinda makes me sound bad bad, but you were just gonna lay in bed all day. Happy to be your anniversary, you know. Your 10 year anniversary. I'm gonna go film this video, you lay in bed all day. You're with all I wanted. Something I really like about your videos is like they have like definitely an educational aspect. Like you do a bunch of history and like geography like tied in there. Thank you.

Like do you have a team that's doing research for you? You asked the team. The research team. We have finally created a team that like helps us hit all of those parts. Like we haven't always had like cool map animations or like history lessons. Like it was all we could do just to like film the video but we do have helped now like we have somebody helping Nate plan the videos we have very defined roles so Nate does all of the planning and booking and I do all of the like post production so like Nate holds the camera he makes all

the decisions on like where we're going when we're getting there and what we're filming and then like everything after that is me. Care pretty much just shows up every day, and she's like, what are we doing today? What country are we going to? Literally. She's been down pretty much anything for the last seven years. You guys making good teams.

Yeah, it sounds like you're a planner. I think that's why it worked. And the beginning, because it wasn't hard, because we both fell into roles that we enjoyed. And I think had one of us been forcing ourselves to do something that we didn't enjoy doing, because this wasn't like, our life goal wasn't to be YouTubers.

And, but because Kara enjoyed the editing aspect of it, and kind of like the posting on social media, and I enjoyed the travel planning and the business side of things, we just naturally fell into those roles. And so it just felt easy. Does working with your spouse ever get tough, though? Because like, you're, it's not like you can leave the office, go home and then talk, talk crap about your co-worker to your spouse because your spouse is your coworker. We still do that. Not only is it hard working

with your spouse, but working with your spouse in a creative way, because there's no right or wrong, right? Yeah. Oh my God, white and gray. And so what you think the video should be, or what you think the video should be, it's not right or wrong, it's just your preference versus her preference.

And we could not be more creatively opposite. That's so neat. So opposite in every way. Cara may have succeeded without me, but there's no way I would have succeeded without Cara because I tried to suck all of the personality out of our videos. I love cinematics, I love, I didn't realize this

until it became a trend, but me and Wes Anderson have very similar eyes for like, I love a nice straight lined up shot Wes Anderson have very similar eyes. For like, I love a nice, straight, lined up shot. I want the lighting to be good. To the point where he'll ruin a moment. He will ruin a moment because the lighting wasn't good. And I'm like, we will never recreate that because you just ruined it.

And that was gonna be planned. And I'll get so mad. And then I'm so worked up that I can't even be on camera. And he works like, I'm out of you. I'm not gonna redo that. Just because the light was flickering that was your fault The other moment is past and this is where it gets hard Well as a creator myself I noticed you guys did a very good job of capturing the moment of you guys

Going out of the shoulder of Christ 3D in Rio de Janeiro I was watching that video and I'm like wow you, you guys must have had like a plan to capture, have a camera somewhere else. I don't know if it was a drone or where you had the camera, but you guys come out of the top of the statue and it's just like, wow, and the moment was really cool. How did you capture that moment in that video? There was a lot of pressure on that. Anytime there's like a one take,

like this is only happening once, it's very stressful because Nate loves to plan things out. We do things if they don't go well, drags me nuts. I love one time, like I'm like, let's do this. Let's not plan anything, then it gets weird. That's happy. Yeah.

So we just discovered this camera. It's called an Insta360. Have you ever used one? I've heard of it. So like we used a few versions of like like 360 cameras in the past didn't love them It's too much of a pain to edit. Yeah, it was a lot of work to edit We didn't really find where it fit in our flow of filming things And so we just decided like we don't use those cameras. Yeah, then last summer

We were hanging out with our friend Louis and he had one and he was like, oh check this out And I think he like went underwater with it. I can't remember what, oh no, we were riding those e-boils. It was crazy. I wonder why I'm in those so bad. They're so crazy. It looks so difficult. Very, there's a high learning curve.

Really? It's so fun once you get it. Yeah. Anyway, he had one of those. We were in the Mediterranean. He was making these epic videos and he was showing us on his phone how easy it was to edit. And we were like, we gotta get one of these.

And now it's become a staple in our camera setup. Like we don't make a video without it anymore. But the camera was like really far away though. So then how did you get it out on the statue? You put on this pole and you go like this and it can be like 10 feet away and it's filming everything. So there's really no like, only the framing right? You just hold it and it's capturing everything. So there's really no like technology or racism at all somehow. You just hold it and it's capturing everything. And so

for moments that like that that you can't like recreate, it's a really great tool because you like can't miss the shot. Like it's just the post editing that you have to do. And you had a drone flying around you guys too, right? We did end up putting the drone up. That's right. Yeah, we thankfully that was like a bit. We did get the moment that we popped out of the arm and kind of had that first moment of like wow, we're here and that was very like, that was real, none of that was redone, but we did have like an hour up there.

So we were able to shoot 360 camera, talking to camera, fly the drone, like, yeah, we got there an hour before it opened and had like the whole place to ourselves. It was just, how'd you work that out? Honestly, we got so lucky. A hefty donation to someone. It's all I'm allowed to say. It took it. It took it. It took it. It's our required to say that you cannot recreate this experience and we really are just very lucky. Yeah, it took a lot of convincing to be like, whoa. But that was like the culmination

of visiting all seventers of the world. And so we wanted it to be special. Yeah, that's epic. That was, I mean, that really is. Which ones are favorite of the 7-1ters of the world? I mean, you really can't be getting that experience, like knowing that that's literally once in a lifetime. And it's so rare.

But we really, like that whole video, we realized how special each of our experiences were at all seven, because somehow we had found ourselves like alone at majority of them. Yeah, what? We didn't like intentionally go to all seven wonders of the world. We intentionally went to a hundred countries

and in doing so happened to just like visit most of them. So most of them was like, we're here in Rome. We might as well go to the Coliseum. I see all these news articles about like the happiest country in the world, or like the country with the nicest people in the world. I feel like you guys are the right people to ask, okay? Which country has the nice people,

and the nicest people in which country has the happiest people? What'd you say? Yeah. We've found that the countries that get the least amount of tourists are always the nicest because they haven't been like jaded. You know, like they haven't been overrun. They're not like tired of tourists. If you live in a city. Yeah, like if you live in Rome and you see a tourist, well, there's going to be a hundred more past you that day You can't go out of your way to do something special for every tourist you see but in 2019 we went to

Kurdistan and the North and the North of Iraq and so They rarely get tourists. I've never experienced anything like everyone we met on the street was just like so happy that we were there visiting their country. Wow. And we're giving us food, literally just baking bread and then giving it to us, not trying to sell us a single thing. No one could speak English. We would just sit on the sidewalk with these local people and talk with our hands and laugh and drink tea. And I've never felt so welcomed in a place in my entire life. That's sweet.

It was the most beautiful thing and you know they had no agenda like they just wanted us to feel welcomed. And the best thing that happened on that trip we had like a tour guide driving us around and you could go up into the mountains and see all these crazy ruins and like sit down and say how. It was the sound of sound. It was the sound of sound. Yes. We ended up getting stuck in a snow storm with this guy. What? crazy ruins and like, it was the dumbest thing in the house. The panelists that had been bombed. Oh my gosh. We ended up getting stuck in a snow storm with this guy. What?

So we pull over on the side of the road. He's like, we can't go any further. It's snowing too hard. It's not safe. And we're like on the side of a cliff. This huge tour bus of like, I'm not seeing people. Yeah, they come from Baghdad and the South,

where it's a lot warmer. So they never sees no. And they actually come not to see Saddam who says palace, but just to cease no. Yeah, so they pull up behind us. They had to stop too, because the bus couldn't go any further. And they pull out this huge pot and like start a fire and start making this like bean stew.

Okay. We find ourselves having this like dinner party on the side of the road with all these Iraqi people eating beans. And we were all just laughing and like not communicating with words whatsoever but just had the best time. It was a snowball fight.

We had a snowball fight. It was like, what is our life right now? We're in Iraq having a snowball fight right below Saddam Hussein's palace. And that's just the last place I ever would have expected to say like we're the nicest people in the world but they truly are. And I really do think it's because they don't get Taurus often. So when they do see Taurus, all they want is for us

to have a positive experience. And it was the best thing. I'm literally like getting chills over here. About to tear up. That's so, that's so special. Yeah, that's really cool. Going to all these different countries and experiencing all these different cultures,

like how have you guys been able to like, remain culturally sensitive and like appropriate in your content? Especially as people online, because I feel like it's so easy to make a mistake that you're not aware of, that could be something sensitive to a certain culture. How do you navigate that?

Yeah. I will say it's scarier now than it used to be. Like our first several years on YouTube, we were just so like, kids from Tennessee having no foot. Yeah, I mean, we genuinely, like we probably did say embarrassing things in some of our past videos

and we probably did say something that was offensive unintentionally. Like sometimes I look back and I'm like, I can't believe we got away with saying that. But like, we're just going in and being like, ooh, this is gross. Like, we would not do that now. But I would do that all the time in our old videos.

And I didn't think anything of it because we weren't, we didn't have as many people watching and we were making videos for our parents. And it wasn't like, we were trying to be influencers. It was brutally honest, a lot of the time. I just wasn't really a think. Like cancel culture didn't really exist. Yeah, well, I feel like also we grew pretty slow, right?

So we've been doing this for seven and a half years now. Okay. And so it's just kind of, there was never really a time where something went viral that just really like grew our channel. And so I think we kind of like slowly learned, which was looking back like in the beginning, would I have loved a viral video? Yes, but I don't think we were ready for it.

And I think it actually would have hurt us more, but it was like our audience just slowly grew. And as you start to get more people watching your content, you start to get more feedback on it. And so I think we just kind of like have slowly learned over time. And not to say we won kind of like have slowly learned over time. And not to say we won't mess up because we probably will, but. Yeah, I do think it is just naturally easier for us now to be just aware of what's

appropriate and how not to offend anyone. And in a way, it's kind of sad because I probably would like to be a little more honest sometimes, but yeah. People are scary. Yeah. No cancel culture is scary. They're so mean. Yeah. There's so many amazing people who watch our videos and I'm so thankful for the audience that we have now. Like I love reading messages and comments. Like it is one of my favorite things to do. Like maybe it's not like the healthiest thing to do. Like people will say like you shouldn't read the comments but like ours are great and I love them. But there are a handful of ones that Mamie's had and they're just always going to be there and yeah, we just do our best not to offend anyone.

You ever had any incidents where maybe you did something that your audience didn't like or have you almost been canceled before? Has there been something like that that you've ever experienced? Because I know a lot of creators us included included like go through that at some point. Yes. I think the day that we saw our channel was ending was at the end of 2019 after we had hit 100 countries. Okay.

Like this should have been the biggest celebration of our channel because that's what we had been working towards on our channel for the last four years. Yes. It's incredible. Like 100. It's incredible, like a hundred. That's insane. Yeah, that's crazy. That's insane. Can we do that?

Do you think we could even do 50? I think we could kill each other. I would love to do that. I know I want to. I think we could do 50. We got babies. We can bring the babies. OK.

Abby's tired. Just give her a minute. Abby, it's like a rest year or two. 4-3, maybe? I don't know. Anyway, sorry to interrupt you. We've been through this conversation. Yeah. So we wanted to do something special or three, maybe I don't know. Sorry to interrupt you. Reminds me of this conversation next time.

Yeah. So we wanted to do something special for hitting our 100th country. And so I need to give you a little bit of backstory as to why this may have been so frustrating for our audience. So we let our audience vote on which country should be our 100th. And they chose VG, which was very nice. Amazing.

Thank you, everyone. Oh, mom was like, what did they choose Afghanistan? And I was like, sweet. Like a good reason to go to. Yeah, I mean, no one was off-limit, or we wouldn't let people vote. But yeah, we had a list of like 97 countries that we hadn't been to.

Oh, wow. And that was what people chose. So we were pumped. But we kept it a secret. And so we didn't tell anybody. And then we decided we were going to film a documentary of our 100 country journey, basically just like an hour long YouTube video, kind of like wrapping up our journey

over the last four years that it led us to go to 100 countries. Wow. And the plan was not to stick Fiji at that announcement that Fiji was our 100th country at the end of the documentary. But at the last minute, we were like, what a better climax culmination for this video than announcing our 100th country at the end of it. And so just keep in mind, we have no idea what we're doing. We're completely made up. Everything we've YouTube. You know, we're just figuring it out as we go. Like, we're not filmmakers, we're not storytellers.

Like, literally, we're just two kids from Tennessee who found themselves with a YouTube channel and getting this crazy opportunity to travel the world. Like, we were so happy, but literally had no idea what we were doing. And put very little strategic thought into this decision. Like, it was like, okay, how in the world do we make this vlog different from the other 800 that we've made the last part? Where was the issue yet?

Well, we're not there yet. Oh, I'm gonna get to it. So, Paris spent a month editing this video, basically. Wow. And we had been posting three videos a week up to that point. So we had sacrificed like a ton of videos to be able to do this one. I didn't sleep for a month.

We edited all day, every single day. Like I was exhausted, which meant I was very emotional as well, which will play for. So the guys from Yes Theory had done a documentary and they had done a pay what you want model for the documentary. So they had released a pay what you want model for the documentary. So they had released it and you could pay anywhere from like a dollar to a hundred dollars to watch this video early.

Oh, cool. And we were like, that's it seems like a cool way to do this because Keras spent a month of editing time on this. It's been a sacrifice for us, you know. Well, and we were excited about it and we're like, we could do more stuff like this. Like if this goes well, and we can do this, pay what you want model to make up for the time that we weren't doing anything else

because I was busy with this video, then like we could do more stuff like this in the future. Totally. Because like, how cool is it to do like, I don't know, like a bigger project, and we've been doing these little daily vlogs. Yeah. For all the years, and all of a sudden it was like,

okay, we're gonna make a documentary, and this is cool, and maybe this is the beginning of our new career of filmmaking, and we had a lot of excitement behind it, and it just made it feel different, and like a finale of this journey that we had been on. But at the last second, we tacked on the secret that was we went to Fiji for a hundredth country, then we made a video announcing this like pay what you want model.

We said we're gonna release it on YouTube for free eventually but like if you want to watch it right now here it is and putting it behind a pay wall you would have thought we asked for people's firstborn child. Like it was. I hit upload and then we drove from my parent's house to Nate's parent's house, which was about six and a half minutes. Okay. We get to his house and like check the video that we just uploaded and it already had like all these views and comments of the worst. No. The worst things that people have ever said and I was so confused. I've worked so hard on this. I immediately like fell on the ground in tears. Like we've just ruined everything we've ever done. Like four years down the drain,

our audience hates us. We should have never charged. At the same time, we still were confused because we said, we're gonna post this for free, but this is just our way of justifying. Well, they could be a dollar, right? Yeah. I think I'm still very looking back for sure.

We made like the way we communicated it, the expectations were completely off. Like we did a horrible job. Oh. We were just making it up. Like, and this, the whole project turned it away more than we thought it would be. We were just trying to get it out there by the end.

And we had never said we're going to do a documentary. We had never said that's where we're going to announce VG. We had never said anybody was going to have to pay for we had never said that's where we're gonna announce Fiji, we had never said anybody was gonna have to pay for it, and then we just released this video with all this information at once. And I think what happened was, we felt like we've made 800 videos of free content

for all of these people. And so we didn't see anything wrong with asking for a dollar if they wanted to watch it early, but all of these people felt like they were the reason and to their defense they were as well, like without people watching the videos, we never would have been able to go to 100 countries. And so I think they almost felt like we owed this video

to them and then we charged for it. And it was manipulative and... It was a very big bus kill. How did yes theory do it without getting hate? I think it was the communication. Yeah, I think it wasn't the culmination of four years of their channel. Oh, okay Yeah, that makes sense. Well, we see that all the time even if we post an ad on something It's like oh my gosh. I used to like you now. You're just money. I'm curious like we have posted a thousand totally free videos constantly. And it's like, this is how you're able to continue

making videos that are free, is because everyone's finally gonna make money doing what you're doing. And I think like big corporations or like traditional media companies have like, they have like a team of 50 people to fill every role. And so they're aware of like, oh, we should be careful

how we communicate this, like pay how what is it called the pay what you want the pay what you want model because they're like oh because we don't communicate it people could be mad and so you guys just like we're like oh we'll just let them know real fast and yeah this will be our biggest video ever and and you had no idea what was coming so I'm so sorry that happened to you guys that's not That's not fun to deal with. Yeah, I mean, it was gonna happen eventually. Like, I don't think you can do what we do and not mess up. Thank you to AG1 for sponsoring this episode of the unplanned podcast.

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That's pretty cool. Well, it's AG1's doing it. It's not us. Thank you, thank you, AG1. Thankfully, I feel like it went away pretty quickly. Like, Nate posted a photo of me very upset. And I think that kind of helped some people understand that like, this wasn't just a vlog

that we were just like making you pay for for no reason. It was like a bigger thing for me. And I also think we realized it was our fault in a way. And like, that kind of helped us get through it. But we also kind of set us up for that response by sharing very openly our financials for four years. Like Nate has always been like the business guy and like loves numbers and loves business and like had tried to start multiple businesses before YouTube and then YouTube ended up being the business that worked, even though that was supposed to be the fun, like, sad project.

Yeah. But like, he's always had this like business mind towards it and I'm just that is so not me. But like year one, it was like, we should start an email list and I was like, an email list. Like, who does that? Like, no, it's like 2018. Like, we don't, people don't email anymore, but like, they start an email list. And that turned out to be this very valuable thing.

Like, you know, he's really smart, so I'm trying to say. Wow. And he's a huge part of why we get to do what we do. But also in the midst of that, he started keeping track of every single penny that we spent and made from the beginning. So in the beginning, it was like losing money,

losing money, losing money, losing money, like every month. Oh yeah. Then we started making money. That's cool. Can I give just a little bit of like the motivation behind that? I followed a guy who did this for his blog, like when he was like building a website

and trying to turn that into a business. And I found that really inspiring. And so six months into our first year full-time travel, we decided like this YouTube thing school, we're loving full-time travel. Let's see if we can extend how long we travel by trying to turn YouTube into a business. Yeah.

And so when we made that decision, I also decided to document it through these incoming expense reports of this is how much we're spending now. We're losing money every month. But follow our journey as we try to, like, start making money from this so we can continue to travel. That was kind of like the motivation behind it. And I never thought we would end up making good money from it. And so as we drew closer to the end, we hit a million subscribers in our 100th country, like the timing of that just could not have been like finishing our goal of 100 countries and a million subscribers in our 100th country, like the timing of that just could not have been. Like finishing our goal of 100 countries

and being a million subscribers at the same time was just mind blowing. It's like the pinnacle of our lives. Like, we're like, it doesn't get any better than this. But so we had started to make good money and I was still publishing these income and it's been through ports. Ah, okay.

And so I think people saw that we were making money and then we also did the pay what you want thing and they were like, how could you want more? And it was like, yes. Did we want more? Yes. But also like we had sacrificed in other areas. We were able to fold together this month long documentary. I mean, we could have done it for free and the business wouldn't have gone bankrupt. I think we were making sacrifice. People don't realize it's like you guys grinded for how long? Like you guys grinded for a very long time trying to make this work losing money as a business,

and the hopes that it would turn into a profitable business. And then it did. So like you took on this major risk, and I feel like that's your reward for taking on that risk. But it's funny you mentioned that because I was looking at your website, and I saw all those reports, I was like, wow, this is really cool that they like.

He loves finance. I do. He was a finance major. Yeah, and we loved getting to share it. Like we loved how transparent we could be. And it was just so cool because anytime somebody would like say something about how weird it was that we were sharing how much money we were making, we would just point them to those first ones where we were losing.

Like we didn't have any money for a really long time. And like how inspiring to get to share that like you can go from here to here if you just stick with it long enough. And it just came back to buy this and I do feel like that's the one thing like after that whole thing went down with the documentary like that kind of we never recovered from that like we being transparent ended up being a negative. Yeah, why does it always happen that way with online? I mean, that's why people are scared to be transparent, right? Because like you see the people that get burned from being transparent and you're like, oh, I want to hold back. I want to like crawl into a ball and go underneath the rock and never share anything.

And so I think like that's probably why people are hesitant to share. Yeah, that's crazy. I wanted to ask you guys, I was watching one of your YouTube videos today before you met you guys, by the way. And you mentioned having to bribe the police in Mexico on your, was it your honeymoon or like what? It was that early trip in our marriage. Okay. Yeah. So two year anniversary I think. And it made me think I'm like, how many times have you had to bribe people to get out of sticky situations

throughout your travels? I can only think of two off the top of my head and both of them have been police officers that have pulled us over while driving. Wait, okay. Once driving a scooter in Thailand. Okay. And then once driving a rental car in Mexico. So the Mexico story is when you rent a scooter in Thailand, and then once driving a rental car in Mexico.

So the Mexico story is, when you rent a car in Mexico, they make a big deal about the insurance, because you do have to buy Mexican insurance on the rental car, or you will get a ticket or stop by the police. We had bought it, and I had left the piece of paper in our hotel room. So I knew that we were in the wrong, like we had done it right, but I didn't have

to proof. Yeah. And we decided that we would drive, because we were cheap, from Cancun to Chitsonitas, so it's like a three hour drive and it takes you to a bunch of small towns and makes it go. We did that actually. Well, we were on a tour bus. We didn't like drive it ourselves.

It was just a water taxi and we had a bus. Yeah. That was really cool. So, so we drove and we learned in Mexico, there's these, it just, it doesn't work like the US, right? Like there's, it's not like if you're doing something wrong, you get pulled over. It's just like there's random police stops for no reason.

Oh, yeah. And we got pulled to the side from one of those. They asked for our insurance. The guy, I thinkfully had realized that I didn't have the insurance. And I don't, I guess I read a blog about having to bribe police officers. You probably shouldn't do this.

Like, you probably have a proudest moment. Because I think the more tourists that do it, the more it becomes an expectation. Like, you're creating a problem for more people down the road and rewording the police officers for this. But I had moved all of my money, except for like a 20 into my back pocket and I had a 20 in my front pocket.

Like I was kind of prepared for this because I knew there was a chance we were getting it stopped at one of these police stops and we didn't have the right paper. And we were pretty much out of that point. Because I would be, like my guilt would be exposed 100%. Oh, yeah. I think I was okay.

I don't remember it being too crazy. It was almost kind of like this. It was serious. And then, you know, he was going to take me to the police station and it was going to be all this stuff. And then there was kind of like this moment of pause where it was both like, you know what this is? I know what this is.

It's like, here's it's money. Yeah, it was like, here's my like 20 and my like driver's license. And then after that, it was like, he was like slapping me on the back. Like, you were like best friend. Like, he had my 20 and my driver's license. And then after that, it was like, he was like slapping me on the back. Like, you were like best friend. Like, he had it gone exactly how he wanted it to.

Oh my gosh. Living in Arizona, yeah, people go to Mexico all the time. And so, if you drive across the border. That have had to drive the police with like situations like that. So, and the one in Thailand, what happened in Thailand? We were driving a scooter. We were probably supposed to have some kind of license and it was the same and you and you didn't have the license Right. Did you have the whole the I'm sorry? Did you have the whole like money situation figured out with like a dollar in your front pocket to oh my gosh That's kind of like to go to now like if we know we're in the wrong doing something. It's just like

That's we don't break the rules that off Put what we think is an acceptable amount of money in one pocket and the big stash somewhere else. Good travel hack. Yeah, I really. I was thinking about the time that we were in Italy. Oh yeah, this is why I asked a question about like, are there, how do you avoid dangerous parts of town? Because not that this was dangerous.

We're suckers, okay? They saw us come off the plane. They're like, these are the, there's dumb Americans we're gonna take advantage of. And we got the ticket for the, whatever it was, trolley tram thing. The tram. But you have to, like not in the US,

like they come around and validate your ticket. Oh yeah. You have to go in and stick it in. And we had been on this tram trolley thing for. You guys have been Italy, right? Yeah. Yeah. 60 seconds, baby.

Well, not even 60 seconds. We have all of our suitcase. We have just flown for so long. My ticket's right here. And the guy is acting like he doesn't speak any English, which I think he actually kind of did. Oh no, he spoke English. And he was like, nope, not validated.

And then he wrote us a fine for what is it? 150 euros. Yeah, it was like 150, 200 euros for not validating ticket. And we had to add us like making a huge scene. And he was like, then they went over and they were like laughing at us and we're like, we had just arrived. Like literally,

I was like, how are we gonna survive here? We were gonna leave for literally what like in hour and we had just figured out using, like we have the ticket, we bought it right there. So sad. It was brutal. Did you pay it? How do you pay a ticket in Italy?

We just paid it right then and there. Here's like credit card. Yeah, he wanted to put the credit card in the machine right there. Oh jeez. He got it. He probably could have left the country without ever paying. Really? Yeah, I feel like we sound like we try to like

bend the rules a lot. We really don't. I know people that have like parking tickets and they're like I can never go back to Sweden. Because they have a parking ticket, not really. But that happened to us again. Okay, this time it wasn't with the police.

Like we were just trying to buy a ticket to get on the subway in Athens and this local girl came over trying to help us and I was like, no, no, no, it's okay. We're okay. She's like, no, she she's like really getting like getting really uncompity close really really close and I go to put in a we knew she was not being like it seemed sketchy yeah I put in a 20 year old bill into the machine and she knew right away that I had done something it was gonna reject it she gets in and she like points

away and had her back and hand behind her back, she grabs. Out of the machine. I can hear her crumple up the bill, and her hand, and put in her pocket. And that was like, what? That was our only hatch. Right, one of us. But here's the other thing too. Yeah, that was all we had.

All we had to get back to the cruise ship. We were gonna miss her cruise ship. And she also would not leave after that. So she clearly just robbed us right in front of her very eyes, but she wouldn't leave. She's like, I can't do it. She wanted me to ride it, actually. And so we were just like, So she wanted more from us and we're like, you got what you needed, like now leave. And she was just like, what?

And that we're like, oh my gosh, you literally robbed us. And now you're not even like, what does she want? You've been scammed as many times as we have. Really? We travel anywhere. Yeah, we've been on two cruises. Unfortunately, as a traveler, I do think you become really jaded to people

who want to help. Like, we pretty much refuse all unsolicited help. Which is sad because, you know, there probably is half of those people are genuinely trying to help, but like, if I need help, I'll go ask somebody. Yeah. I feel pretty comfortable if I ask somebody

that they're not there trying to prey on tourists. But if somebody comes just because you never know and because you hear so many of these stories. Yeah. And it makes me sad though, because I know that there are really good people in all of these countries. And the vast majority of, I just think humans are good.

I don't know, I just, I truly believe that. But you get that one percent, those bad apples, like the girl that stole our money. And luckily, luckily, we didn't know this at the time, but our credit card did work too by. I thought we couldn't use our credit card there. We were able to get a ticket back to get on our cruise ship. But yeah, we were sprinting though. We did sprint back to the cruise ship and barely got on.

But so you guys just celebrated 10 years of marriage. So congratulations. Thank you. I'm sure you guys get asked all years of marriage. So congratulations. Thank you. I'm sure you guys get asked all the time like with all your travels and we did briefly talk about this beforehand. Yeah. So I know you're comfortable talking about it,

but like everyone always asks about kids when you've been married for a while. Well, how would that fit into your travels? Is that something you're planning on? Or gosh, I never ever thought that I would find myself at 32 years old without kids. I would be the last person like out of my friend group and family back home, like everybody is shocked that we don't have kids yet, including me. So when we got married, I was 22 and we decided let's have a few years to ourselves and then we'll for sure have kids and like five years

That five year mark We were like at the peak of our travel and YouTube career that we never like could have dreamed of and we're like, okay Let's put this off a little longer. This is kind of a special situation when we said five years We didn't realize this is what we're gonna be doing and it's fine like we'll just wait a couple more this won't last forever And then we realized you know ten couple more. This won't last forever. And then we realized, you know, 10 years in, like maybe this will last forever and we're gonna have to make a hard decision because my whole life, I thought I would just wake up one day

and be ready and feel like it was time. Yeah. And the last couple of years, I've realized that like that might not happen and I am just gonna have to decide at some point. And the way that I like process things is just by completely telling myself like, okay, this is what we're gonna do,

and then seeing how that feels. Like it's really hard for me to just like think about it. Like I have to just be very extreme about it. So last year, I was like, okay, I'm just gonna say that we're not having kids and see how that feels. And I'm gonna start telling people that we're not having kids.

Like in your personal life or online? All personal. We did mention it on YouTube at one point when I felt like ready for people's opinions. But like I really just wanted to know for me how it felt and surprisingly saying, I'm not gonna have children out loud, like didn't feel as crazy as I thought it would.

And I've just kind of started processing, like what our life would look like without children. And I don't hate it. Like, you know, like I love what we're doing right now, but the truth is, we haven't slowed down long enough to really know if that is a void that I'm gonna want to fill. Like we just go so quickly that it's so hard for me to imagine having children. And everybody says like, oh, you can still travel.

It doesn't mean that you have to change. And in a way, I know they're right. Like, you can definitely still travel with kids, but most people don't do what we do. Like, no. And anything we've done the last month could never be done with children. No shot. Literally.

Well, you spent four days with that tribe. Yeah. In fairness to people with kids, the way I found that tribe was through a video of someone that took their kids to go stay with them. No, no. It is possible. No. of course.

Like several years from now, we can make the baby stage. It's the baby stage. Like yeah, it would be a huge change in what we're doing right now. And you know, it's like every day seems to be better than the day before right now, which is so great. Like we are so happy in loving life.

And it just feels like we're constantly like having more fun and like getting the next big thing and I don't think I'm ready to like change that yet and we just kind of assume like it could all end tomorrow like you just never know with YouTube and our life and I feel like we're really lucky to have gotten as far as we have and you know I might wake up tomorrow and feel ready and I will be totally okay with having kids if that happens, but I've accepted that that might not happen. And did you not have strong opinions either way on it? Yeah, I really don't have like,

I think I've always thought I would be a dad, but I also have never like really been drawn to kids in the sense that like, I'm never gonna be the one to convince Kara that we should have kids because I am not willing to like step in and do 80% of the work. You know, like if I talk us into it,

I feel like I'm the one that's gonna, like, you know, like I don't wanna be like a stay at home dad. And so, like I just kinda feel, I don't wanna put the pressure on her to decide, but I do kinda feel like it needs to be her. It's just very much a team thing, you know? So it's just like, I think it's good that you're both like open and thinking. It's really nice that we're on the same page about it.

On the same page. I'm so thankful for that. But at the same time, like, I wish Nate would just be really passionate about right now. Oh really? Because then I would go with it. Like, I'm a nine on the anyagram. I don't know how I'm going? Because then I would go with it. Like, I'm a nine on the Anya Graham. I don't know what girl I'm gonna do to that. I'm the peacemaker.

Like, I'm kind of down for whatever he's down for it. And I think that's why our relationship works because he has a lot of crazy ideas. I'm like, okay, we'll figure it out. I know if Nate was like, I think we should have kids, then I'd be like, okay, that's all I would need, honestly. It's just for him to say, like, yes, then we would do it. And I'm sure that like, I would need, honestly. It's just for him to say, yes, then we would do it, and I'm sure that I would never know

what I ever would have done without this child. I know we will fully embrace it. I don't doubt that if we have kids that we would be so happy, and that almost makes it harder, because that doesn't mean that we should. If you just had an opinion one way or the other, then like, I can finally just be like, yes or no, and we could just move on, but it is this weight that I carry

that I just, I think don't know. Like, one, we really don't for sure know that it's even an option for us because we've never tried. But also just the fact that like we've gotten to this point in life where we're like thinking so much about this is pretty crazy because for sure have we never left Tennessee and like started to do something unconventional we would have had kids five years ago like that was just the path that you follow you get a job you get a house you have kids or maybe you have kids and then you get a house

like but you know there's just kind of like these steps that you take in life and then we left to go travel and that was unconventional and now we have this unconventional job and we just realized like, you can kind of orchestrate your life in a different way from what society tells you. And I think there's a lot of freedom in that but there's also the pressure of the choices when kind of like the whole world is.

Yeah. I'm curious if like how people responded when you said that even online or in person, like, were they, because you clearly would be amazing parents. But like you're saying that, doesn't mean that you need to have children. But, yeah, I mean, I think people see me with kids.

Like, we have kids in our family and I interact with everybody that I see in public, like, every single one. And I think people see that and they're like, oh, you'd be the best mom. And people are really supportive in that way. Yeah, I think overwhelmingly it's been like a positive response of like, you know, if you did have kids, it would be great.

You would be great. Don't worry. And you know, like, that's nice to hear, but it doesn't really help. Yeah. Like it's nice, but I think it's like open and like vulnerable and sharing that because there's probably a lot of couples that are in that same position, but do feel like they need to follow like some set plan, like life plan or else like maybe they won't be fulfilled in life. And I don't think that's the case. I'm weird. I just like, I just knew that I wanted to have been.

That's very normal. No, that's like, you know, obviously we've all been like recreating for thousands of years as a very normal thing to do. Like I know that I'm the abnormal. I think it was my urgency that was abnormal. I was literally like, it needs to happen to me. I feel like you Nate where I'm like, or maybe, well, I don't know, I feel like both of you guys.

She's, I can. They're on the same page, man. Yeah, with Abby though, Abby was like, we're having kids like now. And I'm like, oh. It was like a't. They're on the same page, man. Yeah, with Abby, though, Abby was like, we're having kids like now. And I'm like, oh. It was like a desperate thing. Like, it was a little sad. But we had talked about waiting two years.

After we've been married two years, it's like, okay, like, I was just like, holy crap. But even those two years, I would be like, Matt, what if it randomly just happened? You would be. I know I have an IUD, but I would have just happened, I didn't know. What would you think?

Well, she would get sad. She had the IUD and it would happen months after months she'd getUD, but I'm like, what if I just happened? I'm low. What would you think? Well, she would get sad. She had the IUD, and it would happen months after months she'd get sad, because she'd be like, oh my gosh, I think I'm having a lot of fun. Like, not to be weird, but she's like, my boobs are getting bigger. I'm pregnant. I'm pregnant. And it's just like, okay, you have an IUD.

Like, I really don't, but Abby was like, she was born to be a mom. I was just like, constantly. But see, you know, everyone's just different, has different goals. Everyone's life looks different. And it's like you're allowed to just, you know. And like us getting married at 20 and 21

and then having kids when we did, like, people told us that was crazy or wrong, but it was the right decision for us. And you guys doing everything you're doing is the right decision for you. And I think that's, that's something that people need to realize is there's not this cookie cutter mold that everybody has to fall into. You just gotta figure out what right decision for you. And I think that's, that's something that people need to realize is there's not this cookie cutter mold

that everybody has to fall into. You just got to figure out what's right for you. Yeah. I do feel like you're so far ahead though. Like we're way older, but y'all are like, I feel like you're further ahead in life. You figured out how to get the successful career while having kids.

And I feel like we've kind of felt like we've had to almost choose. And you've done both annually with younger guys. It's amazing. No shot. That's amazing. No shot. No, seriously, are you so tired? How do you parent and have another you ask? I don't know how you do it.

Well, thank you. I think that even though we do butt heads a lot, we make a really good day. Abby has been a trooper. We've been knocking out podcasts in LA these past couple of days. And I'm like, are you sure you're okay? Like she's 32 weeks pregnant. Like I'm like, this is, you're tough.

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He always talks about, I think he always talks about Van life. I think it'd be so sick to take our whole family and just travel the country and a van and see the world and have those experiences. Tell me. Something that I miss about living in Hawaii is we had this teeny tiny little house.

We didn't have a lot of stuff and everyone there doesn't have a lot of stuff because everything's very, very freaking expensive. And I love that though because you prioritize people and you prioritize nature and just like being out of experiences. And it's so much better than all this crap that we don't need, it's better than trying

to keep up with the Joneses. And I wanna do that with my family. I'm curious, do you think, am I asking for it if we were to take, you know, our two babies under two out in a van, would that be, what are your thoughts on that? What are your thoughts on that? This is why they're not having children.

I think van life is best in like short seasons. So I would not say sell the house, move into a van, and like go for two years and see all 50 states. That seems like you might be setting yourself. Do you remember your hard side? No, it is so possible. I'm not saying it's not possible. You just asking for my ice cream.

I'm not buying. I want your advice. No seriously, like you're yeah, I give it to me straight I think I think you could a hundred percent do it Okay, we have friends that just did a month in Japan with two kids and then very tiny RV Tiny RV like everything in Japan. It's just cute and tiny including the RVs Like I don't know how they did it. They seem to have a lot of fun I think it would be very hard, but I will say there is no, no more freeing feeling than van life,

even compared to international travel, like even though with international travel, you can get on a plane and be on the other side of the world in a day. Something about being in a van and not having to like pre-book anything, because worst case scenario, you just park at the closest Walmart and sleep there every night. Totally. There is so much freedom. worst case scenario, you just park at the closest Walmart and sleep there every night. Totally.

There is so much freedom. For two years, we just woke up. For the most part, having no clue where we'd sleep that night and it was just like, go explore whatever was close by and same fun and then figure out where to sleep. And that was like having that freedom for two. Yeah, it was slightly shadowed by the pandemic, but for the most part, Van Life was amazing.

Yeah, especially with all that outdoor time that you get with Van Life. Because like, you don't buy a van to live inside of the van. Like, it's definitely nice to have, especially when it's like extreme weather, but like, the amount of time we got to spend outdoors, just because we were forced to, especially if you had kids,

I think would be really magical. What? I really think think would be really magical. I really think it would be a great way. And if we wanted, so say we brought our in-laws along because in-laws just used in with us to help us with our two babies, like is there a van that could fit six people, two babies and four adults, or without a baby?

I think you're moving to an RV. Yeah. Every one of our vies. What if another car? I think RVs get a bad rap, Yeah. Everything's RV. Honestly, I think an RV. What's another car? I think RVs get a bad rap because they're not, they're very functional, they're just not cool. Like RV life has not a trend on YouTube, they're in like this, but it's the same thing

you're living in a vehicle. The RV is just what old people have done forever and so it's just not gonna be cool. What's the scariest video you've ever filmed? Ooh. Like, scariest experience or, I don't know, what would you say? I have my answer. Yeah, same.

Do you wanna say it at the same time? Yeah. One, two, three. Alcatraz. Wow! Really? Is it haunted? Like we planned it.

We swam from Alcatraz to San Francisco and neither one of us are swimmers. So I'm even close to a swimmer. I would never describe myself as a swimmer, but we kind of found ourselves in, oh my god. Like during the pandemic, being attracted to like physical challenges,

I think because everything was taken away from us and like everything was so scary to post on YouTube about travel that we just like needed some kind of challenge that like we felt in control of. Like, pushing our bodies kind of became that thing. It just happened naturally. Like, we didn't like set out to do like physical endurance things, but yeah, we were enjoying it. And someone told Nate about this crazy swim. And so of course he signed us up for it. Well, I got an email one day. And had done post it several things and they were like,

next you should do the Alcatraz swim. Oh my gosh. And when I read the email, I was like, nope, no way I would ever do that. And then when I started to think about it, I realized that the reason that I wasn't doing it was very illogical, which is I am scared of like deep dark water and not nothing

was in the water with me. That's true. There have been shark attacks because they're like seals and stuff. Shut up Like it's a bay, but like sharks get in it Yeah, but and it's like I I thought of that as well I would be cracking my pants. It's not flat water. Yes. I would undoubtedly die. There's no way I would make it I became swim very well and I have to help her swim Okay, you might not make it. I would die

It in fairness you wear a wet suit because the water's so cold and the wet suit does make you more buoyant. Okay, so that helps a little bit. No, I would die. How long did it take you to swim from Algotras to the shore? I guess. An hour and four minutes. Oh my gosh. And that's how to feel like the longest hour and four minutes. It was an out of body experience. Like when I think back to it, I still don't feel like that was me. Like I like I down. We had a like support boat. Yeah, so we had an angel swimmer in the water with us making sure we didn't drown and then we had a boat that was on course because it's not like okay, no yeah, yeah, you had to like swim like this way even though like this was our goal we had to start. There's a real strong current that comes to the end. And then the current, like I've heard about that. So like it was all I could do just to like keep breathing

and kicking my legs. And so the person swimming with me would like keep me on track so I didn't have to think about where I was going. I just had to think about going. He was swimming. Well, I was watching a documentary about Alcatraz and people like people that tried to escape, they died, right? Like they get even by the start.

They get totally ripped. They get swept out. Oh, you think they live. I think 100% lived. I think they're walking the streets somewhere. I mean they're probably like 80 now, but the people that we swam with so we both had wet suits, booties, dry caps, yeah, the angel swimmers that swam with us did it in just their bathing suits. Oh, come on. There are people that, like, this is their thing, is this cold water, open water swimming, and they'll go and swim like 10 miles

in this water in just a bathing suit. That's crazy. It's insane. So every time you, like, thank you, done something cool, there's always somebody that's taking it up like 10 notches. Yeah. But for us, that was the scariest thing.

We were just so under-prepared. I don't think it could have ended badly Like I think we did it in the safest way possible We had a person in the water we had the boat like if something did go wrong like I don't think we would have just died on the spot But yeah, it was definitely like the scariest personal thing that I've done and I would never do it again You never do if you're like here's a million dollar check go do it again. I wouldn't do it that I've done and I would never do it again. Honestly, if you're like, here's a million dollar check, go do it again, I wouldn't do it. Oh, I do it.

I didn't do it for that. I would not. 20 million? Okay, maybe, maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Would you do it, Abby? No, I would be my life.

How much would you pay for my life? I want to do it now. Now that you guys said it was so scary, I'm like, I want to feel that thrill, you know? Oh, it was like a drug. Like like I could not believe it when I stood on the land well first of all I could hardly stand I literally like almost buckled under the pressure like when I stood up my legs were like frozen and then I took the longest hottest bath with a coffee and lavender oil that was my next question

what did you eat after that tie Ty food. That's my favorite. Really? Yes. We love Ty. And we all, wait, which type of curry do you get? Do you guys, do you guys curry people? All of them. Well, it's a one-o-o-person.

Because we're, yell, curry all the way. We always eat it. We get it. When we order at our favorite Thai place in Phoenix, they just know, they know it's us every time. They're like, you gotta put your hands here. They're trying to get to branch out. And we're like, they actually got me to start getting

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Oh, I don't know if I've ever told this story. I'm not sure the story needs to be told. Oh, I don't know if I've ever told this story. I'm not sure the story needs to be told. Oh, I'm so curious. Wait. So like, we've eaten a lot of crazy things, and I used to really pride myself in like, I will eat anything, like anything. And especially with YouTube, like it always made like

a better video if we ate something crazy. Yeah. So I can't really pinpoint what it was, or it could have been something very normal, who knows. But we were in Vietnam in 2019 and I was just minding my own business sitting at the kitchen table doing some editing and I felt this sensation in my butt. No, no, no. And I mean it was like pretty clear what I was feeling. I'd never felt it before. And I was like, I would have no idea what the heck

was going on. I mean, it just felt very like what you would expect. No. So I didn't even say anything tonight. I'm like, what is happening in my body right now? So I ran to the bathroom. I've seen this in the untold stories of the ER. Really? Yes. This is the worst part. At this point, it only gets to the bathroom. I've seen this in the untold stories of the ER. Really?

Yes. This is the worst part. At this point, it only gets kind of better. I think, like it's, I can't do not. I can't do not. I can't do not. I can't do not.

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I can't do not. I can't do not. I can't do not. I can't do not. I can't do not. I can't do not. I can butt. Yes. And it was still alive. And I literally stood there and shocked, like, what does this mean? What do I do? Are there more? Maybe, I don't know. So like 10pm and be a nom too. Like, there's no more.

Yes. So I took a picture of it, obviously, because I was like, this is crazy. And I need somebody to tell me if I'm gonna die. I put it on a little piece of toilet paper, and I showed me, and I was like, I'm fine with my dad! And immediately, like, Google the nearest pharmacy, and there was one that was closing in like two minutes, and so I bolted to the streets,

and turns out the pharmacy was like, basically like a window of a building that like had like a little like garage door type thing and there was just a man saying there, there's a bunch of random like peanuts and stuff and I was like, I showed him the photo. Oh no, I googled like a medicine that you could get and be at none that would like kill everything

and flush it out. And I was asking him if he had it and he showed me the box and he said it was $1 and I said give me all of them. So I paid like $10. But you only need it one of these. Like you can only take one of these. I bought 10. They were only $1.

I was like, I'm just going to take all of them and then truly this will go away. But I started with one and I never had any like symptoms. Like I think a lot of people get really sick. But like I had had food poisoning like a billion times. So like maybe I technically was sick from it at some point and just assumed that it was a bug and like, I mean not like a billion times. So like maybe I technically was sick from it at some point and just assumed that it was a bug and like, I mean not like a physical bug but it literally was. And yeah, so I don't know many details but I took the pill and it never happened again. Wow. But now I have like feelings all the time where I'm like, is it happening again?

Like I like always think that I have one now. Like it was traumatizing. I was actually traumatizing. And it was traumatizing. I was absolutely traumatizing. And it was just one, it was only one woman. Did you see more? It was one. Well apparently they come out when you poop, but they're dead already. Oh, there are dead.

So I still to this day, this was like four years ago, I inspect every time I look at them. We've really gone. Hey. Yeah, okay. It was so traumatizing. I'm so scared it's gonna happen. And I don't even know if there are any like long-term effects that like, you know, I don't know if they're that scary.

Like maybe you have a tummy ache. It's a real reason. I'm so sorry. I just, I wanted to tell the story. You needed to get that off your chest. Yeah, and you know what, it's fine. Some people like it scared about travel with stuff like this, but you move on. I will say there was a time in my younger life where I would have said like having a parasite

is the worst possible thing I could ever imagine. And then at some point I realized I wanted to travel so much that if that was the cost, then that was okay. Yeah. Have you ever felt like super unsafe or has there been something that's happened that was true than safe, like a near death experience maybe? We're gonna car crash and Vietnam.

Oh, true. But like you could get're gonna car crash and Vietnam. Oh, gee. But like you could get in a car crash anywhere. Yeah, it wasn't that big of a deal. Except that our suitcase has got trapped in the back of the car and we ended up at the police station and they were having to like cut the trunk open to get our suitcase and that.

Oh, gosh. We have been so fortunate. We have never been robbed. You know, I'm sure we've been taking advantage of a few times. I think the close somebody in Marrakech, we had two things happen in Morocco where somebody was trying to steal a carous phone

out of her pocket. It was just like a kid. Yeah, and she caught him in the act and kicked him. It was just like a reflex. Like, he was kind of bumping into me. It was like a crowded area. And then all of a sudden I felt him pulling in my pocket. And the first thing I did was just like that just because I was like, he was kind of bumping into me. It was like a crowded area. And then all of a sudden, I felt him pulling in my pocket. And the first thing I did was just like that,

just because I was like, what's happening? He was like, but just kind of like the same thing, like with the girl, like he kind of like stood there and acted like he wasn't trying to do anything and kind of kept following us. We're also just annoying. But then we also, it kind of turns into this maze of alleys. and we turned down, we were kind of on the main road And then we turned down one that was dark and quiet to get back to where we were going and then there was like a group of like five guys

Standing on the corner and as we turned down the alley I felt like all five of them kind of like come in behind us. Oh, that's really scary And there was like one open shop or something. Okay. So we, like I was like, yeah, I think they're following us. And we ducked into the shop. And then they walked past. And as soon as they did, we like ran back to the main road.

But after we were back to the main road, there were a bunch of people. So I felt like pretty safe. Yeah. But I was like, hey, let's like hang out and see if that was just me imagining things. Yeah. Or if they were following us, sure enough, like 60 seconds later,

they came back to that corner just to like, that they were hanging out again. So I do think like we avoided something there. We also got followed through like a market in Egypt. So we've had like some weird stuff happen, but it's never ended poorly. We have been so aware. We have like fortunate.

But yeah, even if we hadn't, like I hesitate to even tell the stories that have been like sketchy or like almost gone wrong because people get so hung up on the negative, negative experiences that people have abroad. Totally. And it's so easy to forget in our own backyards. Like our hometown of Nashville literally, I don't want to get political, but has somebody like get shot every single day on the news

Yeah, every single day and people are scared to go to Nashville Yeah, why aren't we talking about that totally? It's so nervous. So like go to America when like you're a lot safer there I think yeah, you know like maybe somebody wants to like steal your money But I don't think you're gonna get shot at America's totally. That's very likely. That's a very, very good point. And so, yeah, I try not to even tell those stories off to him. Yeah, sure. Because it's so rare.

Like, we're literally out in foreign places every single day for the last seven and a half years, and we have like two and a half stories where something almost went wrong and didn't. Yeah. When, yeah, that stuff happens everywhere. But if you're listening. If you're listening to this, don't be scared. These people have been doing this for seven years, five years, how long?

Seven years. Seven years. And this is it, okay? That's crazy. And there's a little warm every once in a while. And I also want to ask, since you've been to so many countries, if you had to choose one place to settle down, never leave. Never leave.

Like, where would you choose? Where would you move to or settle down? Because you guys don't even know to home I Don't see us ever actually settling down outside of the US like we haven't found a country that we just like are so obsessed with It's worth all of the hoops. You have to jump through you know like it's just I feel like it's just annoying a lot of times To let someone else like short-term lots of places But if I was like for's just annoying a lot of times to listen to our else. Like, short term, lots of places. But if I was like for real settling down forever,

I do think it would be in the US. And we have been to 39 states. And there's one that we always go back to. Like, we can't get away from it. I think for sure, if we end up settling down, it'll either be Nashville just because that's where family is. And that makes sense for that reason. But Colorado, I think, is like the ultimate place to live.

Whoa, Colorado. We all love Colorado. Why Colorado? Why not? It doesn't have a beach. That's kind of my only thing. We have friends that live there and I think they've just kind of like brought us in to the culture there which is like go out, do like really hard fun cool things

in the mountains. And then at the end of the day, like go have this well-deserved beer and like community with the people you just did that thing. It's the people that I feel like have drawn us back. Like they're just cool people who all value, like you were saying before, experiences over stuff. Yes. And their careers aren't their life. And I feel like that's hard to find in a lot of places. They don't talk about their day at work. It's like, what would you do enough to work?

What would you do this weekend? What would you do next weekend? It's all about the adventure and that's just how we live our lives. We really connected those people. That's really cool. I really love that. We have to visit more. That's really cool. I really love that. We have to visit more.

As we wrap up, I'm so curious. Like, you're the planner for the trips and things going on. Maybe I'll direct this more towards Nate, but what's coming up for Cara and Nate? Yeah, what's new? We have some fun stuff. We have a lot of flexibility in our schedule.

We're definitely not as planned out as usual, but there is one big thing coming up in July that I'm really excited about. We're going to do Desert Island Survival in Tonga. What? We did it last year in Panama, so there's a company that orchestrates it and basically do four days of training.

And then they send you out on your own beach or island, and you have to survive with pretty much nothing. So like for me I grew up watching Bear Girls and Life Survival shows. This was my dream and it was our video that performed best on our channel last year so that means I get to do it again. And so they're doing it in Tonga this year and my parents are coming. No, I can't wait. That's gonna be so cool.

That's gonna be so cool. It's one of those things, you know how negative memories kind of fade and you only remember the good. Yeah. Like the childbirth, you know, I feel like it's like, oh my gosh, this is the worst pain I've ever experienced and then you're like, when do I get to do it again? Yeah. The survival, after Alcatraz, I feel like that was like the next physically

hardest thing we ever done. Like I like half alive when it was over with. Oh god. I lost 10 pounds. I had no energy. Like it was so bad. But like how many days? It was three days of surviving. But we had like no food or water. Oh gosh. It was all on us to like fine food and water. And like we were drinking out of trash, like it rained and we were catching the rain and these two leaders that we found and watched up on the literally, I would die.

It was great. The night was the worst though, because we built our shelter and it was happened to be just this one season where like the rain would bring all these crabs out of the ground. And they were called Halloween crabs. So they're these purple and orange crabs in there about this big. Oh, that's you. Thousands would come

out at night. That's terrifying. And so you'd be like, they were literally just crawling over us while we were sleeping. The crabs crawling over the body. Eating our clothes. It's not, yeah, I was gonna say it's not like you could just sit there and not react because they would eat holes in your clothes. That is why you're really cool. You guys are so cool. But like here we are signing up to do it again less than a year later. Do you wanna go Abby? I kind of want to because I'm like,

here's me, I wanna say yes to everything so I can have the experience. But I also think that I'm a whoo. You guys are tough. Honestly, it's one of those things. I feel like everyone should experience because the smallest luxuries, or the smallest things in everyday life become luxuries.

Like lights. Like for like months after we did this arrival, like to be able to see after the sound went down was this miracle. Like we have lights. That's beautiful. And like, it catches like something to lean back on. Like you don't have anywhere to sit in the, like on the beach.

You're just like sitting in the sand. You're constantly dirty. You're back always hers because you have nothing to lean on. So just like the act of sitting in a chair was like, wow, like beds? I still get beds and I'm like, wow, crabs aren't eating me right now. And I'm not getting rained on.

Like there's a roof and it's raining outside, but I'm dry. Like how amazing amazing it just resets like your life it's amazing like that's the best part of it for sure oh my gosh and the views are really good but the views like the view while you're there are like the views on your video I was talking about YouTube. Oh, that's hilarious. It was finally one of those times when we did something that we're really proud of and the views reflected that.

Totally. Usually the weirdest videos are the ones that end up hitting on YouTube and we're like, why that one? Like we've done so many cool things. Like why would that one? Isn't that frustrating when you like put your heart and soul into a video, you spend like 100 hours on it

or what, I'm sure you guys have spent crazy amounts of time on videos and then nobody watches it. It seems to be the case most of the time for us. That's cool that that one worked out. Yes, yes, that was fun. It was a win-win for everyone. Well, Cara and Nate, it has been a pleasure hanging out with you guys.

Yeah, thank you so much. Thank you so, so much. I'm truly, I think you guys are awesome. I look up to you guys so much. Really new. The feeling I truly, I think you guys are awesome. I look up to you guys so much. Really do. The feeling is mutual. I think your videos are awesome. I think you guys are great people and just hearing your stories, getting me excited makes

me like love our world too and love humanity. And if you guys want to go check them out, I know they have their YouTube channel. They also have a newsletter. What's the, remind me of the name of your newsletter? Daily Drop. Daily Drop. So go check out their newsletter. What's the, remind me of the name of your newsletter? Daily drop. Daily drop. So go check out their newsletter. It's great.

They also have Fair Drop, right? Fair Drop is, we can even talk about that. That's another company that you guys have, which do you want to share a little bit about like maybe the newsletter or Fair Drop? Yeah, I think I'm most excited about the newsletter right now. So, Daily Drop, if you heard the Molls and point stuff and kind of how we got into travel and working the credit card system and getting to travel for cheap, that's what daily drop is all about is this teaching people how to do that. So we send out an email five days a week and we're

alerting people to the best deals when there's a good opportunity to earn points and then we teach people how to redeem their points either for cheap or free travel or for like first class experiences that you might not be able to afford otherwise. It's really cool. It's really funny too. That's awesome. Oh, it's funny.

We wise it. Our writer is amazing. It's so entertaining. Even if you don't do any of the travel hacks, like it's just fun to read. I love that. You guys are doing some really cool stuff. Well, thank you so much for coming out. Thank you.

It was a pleasure. And yeah, now we say peace out. I'm happy to end our episode. Do you want to say it with us? I'm ready. Make sure you're liking, subscribing, leaving a review, wherever you're podcasts. We love you guys. And as always, three, two, one, peace out dudes!