The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby - Moving to Nashville, Breastfeeding for 20 Months & Getting Diagnosed with ADHD

Episode Date: April 3, 2024

Matt & Abby talk about their potential move to Nashville, Abby's experience breastfeeding for over 20 months now & Matt shares his story of finally being diagnosed with ADHD.  This episode was sponsored by: Athena Club, Rocket Money & Kleenex. Athena Club: Head over to https://AthenaClub.com to try their award-winning razor and body products and get 20% off your purchase with code UNPLANNED at checkout.  Rocket Money: Cancel your unwanted subscriptions by going to https://RocketMoney.com/unplanned.  Kleenex: For this allergy season, grab Kleenex and face allergies head on! https://www.kleenex.com/en-us/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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For this allergy season, grab Kleenex and face allergies head on. Welcome back to Unplanned, everybody. Thank you for being here. We are so stoked that you're here. Our whole family is sick. We've been sick. I have been really sick. It's been a cause of controversy in our family. Abby has this belief that if you are sick, that you can manifest your way out of it. Honestly, babe, I love the idea, but man, when I'm sick, I need to rest. I need to sleep. There's a couple of things we need to unpack there. For one, every wife sound off in the comments right now. When your husband is sick with the same thing that you just recovered from, I don't want

to, Matt, look at me, I want to invalidate you. I know you don't feel good. I know all too well because I just recovered from. I don't want to—Matt, look at me, I don't want to invalidate you. I know you don't feel good. I know all too well because I just had it. It just looked a little differently when I had it. Matt is convinced that he is just a million times sicker than I was. Except I was at the gym, running after our children. I was working—I was moving the whole time. You gotta psych psych yourself out of sickness and Matt is just on Death's bed right now. Let me say let me say There are multiple days where I was like, hey you sleep in I'll get up with the kids then then after a while I think you were like I'm gonna tough through the sickness and then you I don't know why you did this yourself

You're like, I'm gonna go to the gym to work out at freaking 6 a.m I don't know why you did that but you did I love it all power to you freaking 6 a.m. I don't know why you did that, but you did. I love it. All power to you, but I will say, I think I got the, I think I got the shorter end of the stick with the sickness part, because dude, like, it's been insane. I felt like I was gonna die yesterday.

No, I haven't, I felt really sick. I did, and I was like, hacking out like, I don't wanna be nasty on this podcast, but it was horrible. Like, I couldn't breathe and I got hit. I don't know. I luckily got medicine. I went to the doctor yesterday that prescribed me some Sudafedrin and some other things, but holy frick, it was it was bad. See, for me, I feel like sickness is like 80% a state of mind, 20% physical. You can't overcome

it. 80% if you get up and moving, a body in motion stays in motion. You can outrun the infection in my mind. So like when I'm running, I'm like, man, I'm running. I must feel good so that I actually physically feel good. Your mind is powerful, Matt. I'm sure some psychologists could comment and be like, yeah, Matt, actually in your brain,

you can overcome anything. I love that for you. I will say, when I was at the doctor yesterday, I said, hey, should I hold off and go back to the gym? And he was like, oh, yes, don't try to get back into the gym. Of course they're going to say that. It'll make you sicker. Like you'll end up coming back in here being like,

yeah, I got sick again. Bunch of weenies. He said, wait, are you a doctor? Did you go to medical school? No, but I'm healthy now and you're not so. You gave it to me though. I got it like I got it like five days after you. So yeah. Anyway, it's been so sad. We had one kid with freaking pink eye. It's worse when the kids are sick.

One kid with pink eye, one kid with croup. Now we have that like breathing device that you use on your kid to help them breathe better. No, and the other kid with the science fiction. So sad. It's hard because it's like I could keep them inside all day and they honestly probably still get sick but not as sick but I'm like I want them to like be around other kids. I think it's so good for them and obviously like they don't go to daycare so it's like I'm already like they need to have some social interaction but then of course it brings

with it a couple sicknesses which they're gonna be just be just fine, but it is just so sad when they're sick. And you weren't finishing your prescription, which I told the doctor, I was like, I asked the doctor yesterday, doctor, how do I get my wife to finish her prescription medication? Because if not, won't she like develop, she could potentially develop a super bug in her body. I think it's affecting my milk though, so I don't want to do it. But so this style is like, and I asked the doctor that's like, how do I get my wife to finish her medicine? Because I know it's like unsafe to not finish the medicine. And he was like, dude, if I knew how to convince my wife to do things, I would be a very wealthy

man. No, actually his quote- Wealthy? He was just like making a point like he would write some book or develop some podcast about how to get your wife to do something that you want her to do. But I just I'm just concerned for you because I know with antibiotics, if you don't finish an antibiotic, you can develop a super bug in your body because the bacteria or whatever will develop resistance.

So it's like, it's not safe for you. I never heard that before. Okay. You can literally look it up Abby. I just, I care about you. No, I've heard that if you don't finish your prescription, it can come back. I'm aware of that. Yes, but then the super bug thing is like a legit thing.

Can you manifest your way out of that one? What is this? A superhero movie? I don't of that. Yes, but then the super book thing is like a legit thing. Can you manifest your way out of that? What is this? A superhero movie? I don't really understand. The villain comes back worse and stronger. What's funny about you is you definitely... I'm picturing something from Stranger Things. You definitely don't believe in manifesting unless it's with illness. Like with illness you think you can just think your way out of it. Okay, stop. Don't even go there. For real. I believe that your mind is powerful and I feel like you can create things for yourself with your mind.

So I guess I do believe in manifesting. I do believe that too. I don't believe, obviously, I don't think, I think there's very few people in the world that their perception of manifesting is like, right now, I'm gonna fly. Like no one really thinks that. When they think that they're just saying

that you need to envision something happening and then your likelihood of that thing happening will happen. I hope you get to feel better soon because the whole family is hoping for that. I feel actually yesterday I felt like I was gonna die. I'm trying to be calm and like I really appreciate you taking care of the kids yesterday and like doing everything because I was so I was do you use fart or was that your stomach? No, that's my stomach. Okay. I felt so, so sick. So thank you for taking the reins yesterday.

That really meant a lot. I'm happy to do it. It's just, it's just funny. I'm like, Matt, I had what you had. It just didn't look the same. So Abby, you are on month seven now of breastfeeding slash pumping. You're pumping now. I'm on month 27 of breastfeeding. Minus one.

Holy crap, I didn't even think about that. There was only one month where I wasn't breastfeeding. 27 months of breastfeeding, how does that feel? Minus one, so technically 26. Okay. Almost consecutive months. How do you feel? Do you feel like a cow?

No, I feel over it. Yeah. But there's still part of me that is hanging on there. What makes you want to breastfeed so bad? Like, is there's like this innate, this like drive inside of you that's like, feed your kid. I was talking with another mom about this. It's like in our heads, I understand that fed is best.

That like making sure that your baby is fed, that is best. And I would be the first to encourage a dear friend or family member to be like, hey, if it's too much right now, like, FED is best. Like, there's great formulas on the market, like all this stuff. I like believe that so firmly for everyone but myself. For me, I'm like, I just want to continue to do this as long as I have milk. Because for me, it's like, I'm not like some of these other moms. I have to go go work all day like in a different setting away from their baby and like that would make it a million times harder like I have it about as convenient as it can be it's like I'm gonna suck it up and do it and that's

kind of how I feel. Mom I ain't raised no quitter. I'm just kidding. So when are you when are you gonna stop pumping? When's your... When I dry up. Which honestly is probably coming soon because of those freaking antibiotics. Ah, okay, so that, yeah. That makes sense. I can understand now why you didn't want to finish your antibiotic because of the breastfeeding situation. Yeah, my milk supply is down to like, sometimes when I pump I get like maybe two ounces.

Yeah, I don't know. I'm just team, I don't want my wife to develop a super bug in her body and die. So I'm like- You know what happens if I get the super bug? What? I will it out of my body. You manifest the super bug.

And I just run away from it. Okay. For those of you that don't know, should I explain my breastfeeding journey in a nutshell? Let's catch you below. So in July of 2022 was when I started nursing. Our baby, first baby was born. And those things got to the size of basketballs.

It was insane. Oh my gosh. It was insane. Cause you're, you're a woman that is gifted in that area. And so like, then with the breastfeeding, it was, it was unreal. Like I felt bad for you cause it was painful for you. Take anything attractive out of your mind.

It was. You have a picture on your phone. They were not cute. I took a picture because I was like, this is unreal. I need to save this to show my girlfriends. And so yeah, when I see one of my girlfriends, or even just a random stranger that we start talking about breastfeeding, I'm like, oh, you know, look at what mine looks like. And I showed them and they're like, oh sister.

And most people are like, yeah, same. Because it happens, like your milk just comes in so strong and my tatas were tutus. I don't know, they were huge. So nasty, like not attractive, not cute. Did not even look right. Like they were so firm that a wire bra, like it like rejected it.

Like it was like, no we're gonna be the shape we want to be it was just so bad and so that happened both times anyway milk came in that baby loved to nurse he would nurse all the time we started nursing him in the night on the airplanes like he just loved milk he just loved it and then I got pregnant four months into nursing him he was four months old we got pregnant when months into nursing. He was four months old when we got pregnant. When I think about that unexpected positive pregnancy test, I'm not thinking about all of you at all, like our second son.

Not even close, but like that moment, there was a moment of sadness because I thought that I was gonna have to stop nursing because I was like, wait, I don't know how you can breastfeed while being pregnant. All these things after talking with my doctor and honestly because of sheer luck, my milk supply stayed because for most people, Matt, their milk supply dries up when they get pregnant.

And then I had a break and then we had our second kid and he was way harder to nurse because he would just be screaming his head off. He was crying, I was crying. We had to sprint and do acrobatics to get him to latch. Do you remember that? That was the most stressful time of my life. It was so stressful and he finally got the hang of it.

Mom finally got the hang of it and we did that from the taps for five months and then randomly, which honestly, I was thinking about this, when I switched to exclusively pumping also was when my grandpa died. Because at that point he was only nursing on one side. He like completely started to reject the other side. And I was so distraught that the thought

of making that process, nursing and pumping and bottle feeding when we were traveling back home, we were sleeping on random couches and trying to get through each day with funeral plans and everything. I was like, I cannot make this element any more stressful and time consuming. So that's when I switched to exclusively pumping. So I was just thinking, I don't remember the last time I ever nursed Augie, which makes

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Trust me, you won't look back. Happy shaving. Back to the episode. It really affects everything and it's such a mental game too. Like just thinking about when you can be away, do you have enough milk stored? If you, if they do need to eat and you're not there and like how long has it been? Like, am I going to be able to nurse in this public space? Like there's so many questions and it's such a mind game and it can be really, really stressful,

but it can also be like so bonding and beautiful and it's like how our bodies were designed and some really emotional thing. And I think before having kids, I never once would have thought that this would be emotional at all. Like just, yeah, feed your baby, what the heck? But it's so much more than that.

And I don't even think they fully understand it because you know there's like conditions tied to your breast milk letting down, which means like it's coming out. Like you can have a condition that makes you feel like extremely depressed when your milk lets down. And so like those women have to stop because it, or because it like, it's, there's just a massive connection between that and your hormones I'm not

a doctor or anything so I really know yeah are women able to take like antidepressants and stuff if they're breastfeeding I don't think so okay that sucks because I actually don't look it up because I don't want to say oh yeah yeah I'm just I'm just thinking about that because there's so many hormonal changes and I mean that would be really hard if you can't take your medicine or take whatever it is that you you need for your mental Health because you're trying to feed your baby Oh, maybe you can says infant exposure of antidepressants through breast milk is generally low to very low Oh, so it's probably a conversation to have with your doctor about your dosage it like if it's like too high or something. Yeah. So you can, I don't know, you probably don't also want to

take that though if it's only linked to your milk letting down, you know. So I don't know, there's so many different factors and I think that if one thing was different I probably wouldn't still be nursing but because the factors are pretty favorable for us, not for nursing but for pumping, because I do think there's probably a difference there, I should say. We're still pumping away, but I'm not making enough milk for my baby every single day,

so it's kind of stressing me out that our milk supply in the freezer is dwindling. So, yeah, my goal is to make it to 12 months. He's seven months now. I don't know if we're gonna make it. But if not, I know there's a lot of formulas on the market and I know that I can suck it up. I just think there's something innate about a mother wanting to just be needed by their baby in that way. I think honestly if I were to talk with a therapist they'll probably

be like, Abby, I don't think it's about the breast milk. I think it's about being needed by your baby. Oh that's good. I think that's what it is. That's sweet. No your baby does need you. I know. Yeah you're so loved. Why do I always cry? I think it's the cameras and the lights like it's like oh everyone's looking at you and then it's like my emotions are heightened I don't I don't even cry anymore. Do you understand that? Yeah, you have been crying a lot less. I've realized that Abby, I was so used to pregnant Abby that like you kind of feel like a different person in a way. Yeah, I'm so healthy now. And I also kind of feel like I'm different. I mean, I shaved my head. Yeah, can we talk about that? You are a totally different person. I've made of, I've made a lot of changes. You're the artist now.

Just got diagnosed with ADHD, could have some other stuff going on. No, you don't. You never know. So, what do you think about my buzz cut? I love that moment for you because I had to feel extremely freeing. I knew it was something you thought about for a long time. Yeah. And I love the fact you thought about for a long time. Yeah. And I love the fact that like you can just pull triggers. Yeah.

So I am happy that you had that moment. I think like buzzing my head made me realize how insecure I've really been my whole life without even realizing it. Like, I don't know. I've always relied so much on outside opinions for confidence and like a boost in self-esteem. And I kind of just decided to send it because I thought it would, I honestly thought it would look good.

I thought it would look cool or I was at least hoping that it would. But one of the big factors in like actually making the decision to buzz all the hair off was, hey, regardless of if it looks good or bad, I have value as an individual and I don't need to like, view myself as less than, even if it doesn't look good, if that makes sense. That's kind of deep, but that's kind of something that I feel about. Yeah, that means, for me, that's like a no-brainer.

I know, I feel like you've always had so much more confidence than me. Like, I would love to walk a day in your shoes and like know what it's like to be that confident and to know what it's like to not care as much what people think about me. Well don't get me wrong. It's not like I don't ever feel like embarrassed or insecure about things. I don't know.

I wonder if my brain is different than your brain in that way. Probably I feel like you're so much more comfortable in your skin than I am. What makes you think that? You know, I don't know. I think like, okay, something about me that I've realized, like when I meet new people or I walk into a room, a constant thought in my head is, am I being perceived as normal? Are people liking the way I'm acting? Do people like me?

Am I acting cool? Am I acting weird? Did I do something that offended somebody? Like I'm so nervous that I'm going to f something up. Like I'm so nervous that I'm gonna f something up like I'm so nervous that I'm not gonna be like a normal human being and I don't know I just I've always wanted to do you think that it's hard interrupt what's up no you're just to touch on that like do you think that that makes it more difficult for you to listen when you're meeting new people and like trying to have

conversations um because you have all that mental noise? I mean, look, so the thing is I do love meeting new people, but then there are situations where I get nervous and in my head and where I get super insecure in a way. And a discovery that I've just had this past month is I don't have to be everybody's friend. I don't need everyone to like me. And I actually want to be more open and honest about who I truly am when I do meet new people because I want to quickly establish, are we going to vibe?

Are we going to be friends? Do you like me? Do I like you? And rather than coming from a mindset of, oh my gosh, I hope they like me. I have more of the mindset now of like, do I like me? Do I like you? And rather than coming from a mindset of, oh my gosh, I hope they like me. I have more of the mindset now of like, do I like them? And I think when you're just more open and honest about who you truly are with other people, you're able to establish those deeper bonds faster because you can clearly see, oh, this person we don't connect as much, but oh, this other person I actually really connect with them.

That's good. Yeah. I want you to find confidence and just like peace and self assurance. Yeah. I mean, honestly, there's been like we went and saw that Hunger Games movie, which I think we talked about this on the podcast where the main actor buzzed his hair in the movie and it looks really good. And that was the initial inspiration to to buzz my hair off. was like oh that looks sick like I Could maybe do that and then I thought about Brad Pitt and mr. And mrs. Smith. He buzzed it like his he has a but He's rocking a buzz cut went out. Why? When did we watch that movie? We watched it a year ago Stuck in your mind. He looks like a freaking stud in that movie and then you also just like him

I I really don't I really do not and then you and they have Nick Jonas Nick Jonas That's right when he released his his new music back in like 2016 Maybe that was like is it easier to maintain for you? Like is the maintenance pretty easy the the maintenance is unreal like I literally don't do you catch a different breeze? It's honestly feel like feel my head it feels It feels so fun to just like touch and play with it. I will be honest though, I don't think it looks good. To be completely honest, I kind of go back and forth

because I'm like, oh man I look so tough. Like I kind of look like tough military dude, whatever. And then there's other times that I'm just like, oh frick you can literally. You think military, they have to make it shorter than that. Yeah, but then I'm like, you can frequency my receding hairline, so that sucks.

I don't think it's receding. 1000% it's receding. I feel like it's always been that way. If you look at like Brad Pitt and Nick Jonas when they had their buzz cuts. Well yeah, but don't you think yours has always been that way? Mine's, I've always had like a slight

widow's peak maybe. Yeah. I don't know, but mine's definitely receded more as I've gotten older. Really? Yeah, so I'll? Yes, I'll probably Realistically, I'll probably get like a hair transplant surgery at some point in my life. Don't just let it go bald man. I could but I just feel like I would love the look of hair more than being bald. Here's what you do You go bald and then you tattoo your hair on. Dude, honestly I kind of want to just do a social experiment and fly to Turkey and see how good the Turkish surgeons are with their-

Maybe not, maybe, maybe- Have you heard about that? It's literally like 90% cheaper to get your hair transplant surgery in Turkey. So people fly to- Have you done research into this? Like a lot of people know about this. There's TikToks of groups of men boarding airplanes

and they all are balding. And then they come back with bandages on their heads on the same airplane. I don't know about that is unsettling to me. Cause they go to Turkey to get their hair surgery done. Mike from Logan Paul's podcast got his hair surgery done in Turkey. Wow.

Yeah. The more you know. It's a common thing. Yeah. But no, I actually ordered some collagen. I ordered some biotin. I've got all sorts of- take it though. I have it You're really good at adding to cart and purchasing but just not kind of like your ADHD medicine

Yeah, yeah, so care if you take that by the way It's just funny that you like went and got it, but I don't think you've taken it a day I haven't I what I really want to do is actually get on some like legit Medicines or drugs or something that would help my hair to be thicker and fuller. Cause you can't like, there's no cream or substance. Wait, you got medicine for your hair too? I haven't, I've just gotten supplements.

But like there's no, I can't just like rub cream on my receding hairline and make hair sprout up. It doesn't work that way. Like if I wanna have hair in the spot where hair doesn't exist right now, I will have to get surgery there. So if you take these supplements, there's no way it can isolate the hair growth to just the top of your head. Oh, it's going to make you hairier everywhere else. I'm pretty sure. Your butt cheeks are going to get even hairier? I'll probably have hairier butt cheeks. Yeah. That's exciting. Abby was shocked when

she found out I had hairy butt cheeks. She was like, Matt, I don't think the internet actually said that. I don't think this is normal.. She was like, Matt, I don't think this is normal. And I was like, Abby, I'm pretty sure all men have hairy butt cheeks. And she's like, not my dad. Nope, not my brother, it doesn't run in my family. The men in my family do not. Don't ask me how I know that.

In other news, I got officially diagnosed with ADHD. Let's just give it up for that. I don't wanna, I never know if I want. I don't think I should make jokes about it. You can make, I don't care you can make jokes about it. What do you mean? Really? Are we talking about making jokes about my hair loss or making jokes about ADHD? Both. Oh I don't care it's fine. For both? I think it's like it's fun to make fun of yourself you know? Yeah I think it's fun for most people but I think it's not fun when I make fun of you.

It depends on if you're being like, if we're like arguing and then you try to make a joke, then it's like, that actually sounded like you were being mean. No, but I like joking around. I think that's kind of fun. What? I like joking around. I do.

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I just wanted to know what was actually going on. I wanted to know for real, do I have ADHD or am I just self diagnosing? Because I think everybody's so quick to self diagnose after they see a TikTok about, oh, you could have this or you could have this. And people are like, I am this way. And then I just think going to a doctor is the way to go.

So yes, I went through the appointments, which by the way, we did an ad for it. Was it ZocDoc on our podcast and then we realized, wait a second, I can get diagnosed virtually, like from a virtual doctor, so that's what I did and then it all worked out from there. But yeah, just like knowing what I have, I can now find coping skills and coping mechanisms to help with me to focus and for me not to get as easily distracted and just to understand myself better and what's going on. So that was like really really

helpful to have that. Do you feel like it was like pretty straightforward because they're not like, are they like, do you have trouble focusing? And you're like yep and they're like okay. Okay what was crazy is they like nailed me like it was like they read my mail they just knew me so well just from all the questions they're asking. They said do you oftentimes just like walk out walk out of a conversation or a social setting and not tell anybody where you're going? And I'm like, literally all the time, I don't know why I do that, but like we'll be hanging out and I'll be like in a group of people and I'll just like go to the bathroom or like go get something and not tell anybody where I'm going. But apparently

that's a symptom of ADHD. I had no idea. I do that all the time. So do you think that now we just have to accept, like sometimes you do these things and it's like because there's a diagnosis, it's like, well, that's just how he is, or is it something where it's like, okay, we know that you're predisposed to do this so we can do X, Y, and Z to make sure that behavior doesn't happen?

Okay, so it's helpful to know what I have because now you as somebody who maybe I change the subject when we're talking about something or maybe I wasn't listening to something that you said. It's not like I'm not valuing you. I can't talk. It's just my brain is predisposed to do these things that people with ADHD do. You've done that for the past seven years though. I feel like a diagnosis didn't really change that for me. Like I was just like, yeah, that's just Matt. He cares about me. He wants to know like my thoughts and he wants to know what I'm sharing, but he just gets distracted. Like I feel like being like he's ADHD doesn't really, it's the same thing for me. I guess.

Oh, so it didn't do anything for you. Not for me, but it wasn't for me. Okay. It was good to get prescribed medicine. So now I do have medicine. Yeah, you haven't taken I have not taken the medicine yet, which is fine Like I don't know if you should get on I hear bad things about ADHD medicine all the time

Well, I think I'm gonna take it just like periodically when I have a day where I'm I have a work-heavy Load and I want to get a lot done then I can take it and be very focused What happens if a normal like I shouldn't say normal a person without ADHD takes it? What happens if a normal like I shouldn't say normal a person without ADHD takes it? Do they just combust? It just I mean people people do that all the time you hear about people in college like sharing their medicine with people and stuff that may or may not happen. It just makes them share. Yeah it kind of like elevates your heart rate makes you super focused.

Oh it elevates your heart rate? Yeah that's one of the side effects that can happen. I don't need that then. And it makes it hard for you to fall asleep a lot of times ADHD medicine is like it just keeps you up. So you don't want to take it at night unless you're studying for tests that you have to take. So are you on ADHD TikTok now? I don't watch TikTok actually. I'm never on my phone. Like I really just work my job and play with my kids and I don't I don't scroll on social media. I don't really do that. Do you do that? I'm asking you an honest question. I don't really do that. Do you do that?

I'm asking you an honest question. I have no idea. When you ask me questions like we're not in the same household all day every day. We just like works. We kind of live separate lives. I mean like during the day though we're not together. Like we both do our own thing. I don't just sit. I never sit and scroll.

I feel like you scroll when you're breastfeeding though or when you're pumping. Sometimes when I'm pumping. When you're pumping, that's probably when you do that. Because I at least look at it. What else am I going to do? I don't know, like read. You've got me into reading. I do read when I pump too.

You've got me into reading and I really like reading now, which has been awesome. Do we think TikTok is going to get banned? It's already banned for me. You banned it in mine. I banned it in 2023. It's off your phone, totally. I haven't had it all year. So when you're scrolling,

are you scrolling on YouTube Shorts, Instagram Reels? Oh my gosh, I found myself on Facebook in a couple of months. You're on Facebook? I swear. I gotta get off of that. No, but usually it's Instagram. You deleted TikTok, so now you're on Facebook Reels. Is that really what you're on?

It's called Reels there too. Facebook Reels. And Pinterest. Oh my gosh. You know it's bad, but Pinterest has actually been good because I get- So you just replaced it, like you're like, oh, I'm getting rid of social media. No, it's so much healthier. Why is Facebook Reels- Because my content isn't on Facebook Reels. Wait, is my content on- Our content is on Facebook Reels. I gotta get off Facebook. We have a Matt and Abby Facebook

Reels page. Okay, well it's never popped up, so- Okay. I'm really just avoiding my own face online. Okay, well it's never popped up, so I'm really just avoiding my own face online. No, I watch Instagram too, yeah for sure, Instagram, but really I have limitations on it but I can crack it if I really am one to scroll. So yes, I've been on Facebook rules a little bit, but Pinterest is very healthy. It's the most healthy platform because there's no comment section and there's no videos, so it's just very healthy. It's the most healthy platform because you just, there's no comment section and there's no videos. So it's just very peaceful. I get the recipe I made for dinner last night, Pinterest. That recipe last night was freaking awesome.

So good. Fire. You killed it. Thank you. Great work babe. So yeah. But TikTok is banned now. TikTok is banned for me. Okay, but like, you know that the government voted

to ban it, right? In Congress, they did that. So yeah, I heard that, but then everyone still has Facebook, so I don't really understand. I don't know the processes. Dude, I was just thinking it could be banned now. Like, I actually think the government might do it.

How does that make you feel? In the past, I would have been terrified, because at one point, I think we had like a million, close to a million followers on TikTok when Trump first was gonna ban the app, and we had maybe a couple thousand on our other platforms. And so I was terrified because I had worked so hard to crank out these videos and build up a following on that platform.

And I'm like, my whole business is going to fall apart. Like everything I just spent, I just spent hundreds of hours of my time grinding thousands of hours to build this up. And now it's just gonna be all deleted. So I really feel for creators that are only on TikTok. I feel like it can't be real. You don't think so? I think it could.

America runs on TikTok. Like there will be an uprising if this happens. You think so? I feel like people will be so mad because think about, there's so many people's jobs, not just like influencers, but like people that own online e-commerce businesses that are like dependent on TikTok. Like is there going to be compensation for those people?

I don't know how that works. Like they make their income on it. Yeah. Like what could happen though is all of those people could just migrate to Instagram Reels, Facebook Reels, YouTube Shorts. Do you think everyone's just gonna remember and follow? Be like, oh, I love this mug shop on TikTok. I'm gonna see if I can, what was the name of that? You're not gonna think of it. Yeah. I mean, it is sad. I mean, for us, TikTok was the place where we were able to grow on social media

because YouTube was so hard to break into when we were able to grow on social media because YouTube was so hard to break into when we were doing that back in 2019. Can you believe that? I don't think it's going to get banned. I think they're bluffing again. I've seen this one too many times. I think what the US government is trying to do is they're trying to force ByteDance, which is the company that owns TikTok, to sell to an American company.

I think it's a show though. So yeah, they want TikTok to be sold to an American company. I think it's a show though. So yeah, they want TikTok to be sold to an American company. And then after that, it'll be American owned. And I think from the American perspective, then it's safer for our youth and everybody to be on there. Did you actually know that in... I thought it was a financial thing. In China, so in China, apparently this is what's going on in China.

They like push all these like science and technology videos and math videos. And they're pushing freaking Matt and Abby in America. Rotten people's brains. They're rotting people's brains out with Matt and Abby content in America. Oh, that's what's wrong with this country. Yeah, what? Okay. But.

Oh Lord have mercy. I'm sorry you don't good babe thank you do you actually though I've seen that all the time you actually do go back in your text you care about me you actually care about me cutie I feel like I don't want to accept any offerings you then it's like later it's like I made you your tea dish morning I want to get your opinion on this. Yes. When you go to a public park, like a playground with a toddler or a kid in general,

there's a whole slew of unknown territory that I'm just now embarking on. And I don't really know how to handle every situation. So like, say for instance What's your opinion on this? You're at the public park? somebody else's kid comes up and Pushes your kid. Okay, what are you thinking? What would you do? You say hey, don't push my kid Like you say that you say like hey, you can't push no pushing is not okay. Mm-hmm What do you mean? Like, if somebody pushed you...

With that kid's parents standing right there? That's the thing. That's true. OK, so what would you do? So for me, I would have a different response if the parent was there, because if the parent was there, I would expect that parent to step in. OK. And if that parent didn't step in, I don't think there's a circumstance

where I would talk to that kid unless it was like really dangerous. Otherwise, I would just take my kid out of the situation. Yeah, I guess it depends on how big the push is. If it's like a little nudge, who cares? Yeah, if it's a nudge, I wouldn't do anything. If they're yeeting my child, I'm going to be like, hey, don't push my kid. That actually made me uncomfortable, Abby, at the park a couple weeks back when we were with our friends, Mike and Ashley.

Do you see that dad that was yelling at someone else's kid? It was really uncomfortable. Wait, what happened? So he was yelling at these kids who kept kicking a soccer ball, I guess, towards where his kids were playing. And he was telling the kids to go play soccer out in the field where there was like all this open grass, which totally valid, totally get that. But he was not being chill. Like he was yelling at like nine year olds. And then his kids were like probably four years old and they were on like the merry-go-round or the little spinny thing whatever it's called. So that made me uncomfy. So then what do you do if you're the parent of one of those nine-year-olds? Like someone else at the park is

yelling at you. Some other parent is yelling at your kid. What do you do? The parents didn't really do anything but if someone's yelling, like someone's screaming at my kid. Now if my kid like punch some kid in the face and there's a parent screaming at my kid, I'm going to be like, OK, I can I can see like, I'm not going to like really do anything. But if if it's like some little offense and there's another parent screaming at my kid,

I'm we're going to have a problem. Like, I'm not going to do. You can't just scream at my child. Yeah. I don't care what's going on. Like maybe maybe they push your kid, whatever. But you can't just scream at my child. You could you could maybe reprimand them and say, hey, you can't care what's going on. Like maybe maybe they push your kid whatever, but you can't just scream at my child You could maybe reprimand them and say hey you can't do that But to like lose your cool at someone else's child that is completely not okay Yeah, you can't do that. You shouldn't do that to your own kid. First of all, you should not be talking to your own child like that

But did it but doing that to somebody else's kid? Not an okay thing this episode of unplanned is brought to you by Kleenex Ultra Soft Tissues, your ally to help tackle your allergy symptoms this season. I'm not sure if you've noticed, but it's definitely allergy season. We have been battling many, many, uh, cold and flu and random virus that has made our noses run in this household like nonstop recently. What did you say? Yes, I would agree.

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Which is also awesome because I feel like our poor boys when their nose is running and we are rubbing their little sensitive skin Constantly I want to make sure it's something that is hypoallergenic and just sensitive to those fresh baby skins I agree sometimes when I use like a paper towel I feel bad because it kind of you know it's it's coarse on the skin I rather use a Kleenex where it's soft. For this allergy season grab Kleenex and face allergies head-on. Here's another hard thing that I've noticed if you bring a ball your own ball to the park and your kid is playing with it and then another kid comes and takes it what do you do? Once again for for me, my answer changes if the

other parent is present or say it's a place where all the toys are shared and your kid is playing with something and some other kid takes it. It's so, there's just, I'm trying to figure out how, where I stand on these things because it is so... Context matters so much. That's what I'm saying, it's complex. The context really matters and it's not like a one size fits all situation. You have to confront every situation differently. And why do we force,

something else I've been asking myself is like, why do we force our kids to share? We don't share everything we own. Like sometimes we have things that are just ours. And so it's like, if a toy is special to my kid and like, yes, I'm never gonna encourage that but if it's like I feel like this is like their thing I don't know that I think I have to let every other kid play with it. Something I've been thinking about as a parent is when to

use distraction because I know that if my child wants to stick things into an outlet right like that's not safe, but maybe rather than just telling him, no, you can't do that, and Griffin getting mad and screaming and crying, maybe I just distract him and I'm like, oh, look at this ball over here. And then we go play with the ball. I feel like distraction is so useful, even as an adult.

Like if we're having a disagreement and we're on a car ride or something, and I don't want us to go down a path that could lead into a fight, I'm going to use a distraction on you and be like, Hey, what do you think about that shop across the street? Maybe we should go there. So smooth with it. I'm pretty smart. You're so smooth. I never know when you're pulling wet on me. That's so true, because I like you can do both. You can be like, that's not safe. Let's go play with your truck over here. Yeah. Like things like that. But yeah,

I think it's just a whole new world that I'm like trying to navigate and every parent is so different. Like also this kid in the park would not stop hugging Griffin to a point where it made Griffin really uncomfortable. Like yeah, you got to get your kid out of that situation. So I was like, I had to help him because he wasn't fighting the kid. Matt, he just went limp. He was just like, oh, like looking at me. He was like, please save me, Mom. So I just like I kind of like found the parent and I like made eye contact with her.

So she would notice and step in because what was I going to do? Like physically pry this child. That's the other thing. I don't want any other adult really touching my kid. Like someone tried to pick him up one time and I was like, mm. Yeah, no. Doesn't, I'm not the type of parent to freak out though,

I'm pretty chill, but I don't want you to touch my kid. You know what kinda bothers me? And I don't think people mean it in a bad way, but it does make me a little uncomfy if we see somebody out in public and then the first thing they wanna go do is look at our kids in the face. That's just rude.

Because we don't show their faces online. I think that's just incredibly rude because it's like we take great effort to keep them away from that, only for you in person to just violate that and we're not gonna stay inside all the time. Okay, legitimate question for you. Okay.

Are we moving to Nashville? Are we? I feel like it'd be fun for the summertime. Like two months in Nashville would be so much fun. Would be fun. I'm inspired by the people in Nashville. They are, I thought people were nice in Phoenix. They're actually rude compared to Nashville.

People in Nashville are so nice. They're so nice. I've been in Nashville pretty much every month for the past like four months recording music. And then we've had quite a few podcast guests in Nashville. So we're always in Nashville, and I love the people there. I love the Southern hospitality. Everybody's so kind.

Oh my gosh, how nice is it that the masters let us use their studio and then drive us? They were so kind. Yeah, Tori and Chad Masters from YouTube, if you guys have heard of them, they just like. Didn't even know us. Literally didn't know us, and we're just like, you guys can use our house to record a podcast with Carlos and Alexa Pennevaga. And we're like,

what? Like you guys are so nice. I was alone with a big suitcase and just walking outside down this like little strip mall area. And another person just walking on outside that wasn't even going inside. Yeah. Open the door for me to help me get my suitcase into this little restaurant. Like everyone was so nice. And I'm inspired also by like, first of all, there's so many people that we know there, not like super well, but like know them. But then also like, it's very creative place. Like there's creativity flowing in Nashville. So that'd be fun. It's also less hot than Phoenix. So yeah, sure. Let's do it. Well, that's what I'm thinking, because like Phoenix here gets so freaking hot in the summer.

It's like 120 every day. You cannot take your kids outside. It's way too hot to play with your kids. And so I thought, what if we go somewhere else for the summer, just so that we can actually take our kids outside and be outside. And I think Nashville might be the spot because one, we have community there.

We know a lot of people. There's so many nice people. And then two, I'm there all the time anyway, recording music and I could actually knock out maybe an EP or record a bunch of new songs while we're there as I pursue this artist project that I'm working on. So I think it could be a really great spot for us to go this summer.

What have your thoughts been on the the recent music? Did you like the more upbeat song that I just put out unfollow me or do you like the more? chill like almost Jack Johnson vibes of I Like right now. I always like the chill Jack Johnson vibes. Okay, cuz that's like here's the thing about me I'll be honest. I don't care about music and I'm married to an artist Okay, so it's hard because yes, cuz you don't like music You're right. Like a lot of times when I've turned music on you're like turn that off And it's not even my own music it's just like any music to your music

I would never say that to your music. Any music at all. I would never say that to your music because in general, I just am like, I don't know why. I'm sorry. What's Sweet is my very first song, which is definitely my worst song that I've ever put out. You listened to that one over and over and over. And I realized it was because it was made for you. And even though it was like definitely my worst song by far, I guess you just loved the, yeah,

loved the messaging behind it and loved it. Well, because I literally can listen to that and in a way, it obviously sounds different, but be transported to sitting on my parents' lawn. Yeah. Our one year dating anniversary, you giving me this promise ring and that song. I think you sang it that night too, right? I think I did. Yeah, when I gave you the Promise Ring and then I originally wrote

it for our six month dating anniversary. Yeah, and my parents living room with my parents all around. It was around Christmas. Yeah. It was just so sweet. Thank you. And you gave me those hot pink headphones. Thanks. Yeah, I did. Do you still have those hot pink headphones? And you got me that candle and necklace from half off half Yeah, what a sweet gesture It's kind of crazy. Yeah, because like we've been together almost eight years here I was playing you songs on the guitar and writing a music and now I'm actually like Making music and releasing it and guess what today you just had your first acting class right? No it wasn't an acting class. Don't even mention it. It's not a big deal. Let's talk about you. It was with an acting coach right?

Okay so I'm not even getting into that because I don't even know what that's gonna be. Why are you not wanting to talk about acting? I want to talk about you. So you're an amazing actress. The thing is that's funny is that like everyone having these questions about you and like making music and they're like why? I'm like, why do you have those questions? But then I realized I've just been around you. Everyone that's been around you knows that you love to sing and that one of your dreams and passions. So I'm confused when other people are confused.

But I understand now if they're only following you online and don't see that side of you, then I'm guessing then they can be like, you were saying to me at our wedding. I was doing music well before I was ever a YouTuber, TikToker, podcaster. So I think people just like, they see me as this family man guy on a couple's account on TikTok. And they're like, why are you trying to do music?

But it's just, it's something that's always been a part of me. And so it's just like, I kind of have to pursue it in a way. Like I love it so much. Like I kind of have to go for it. I've always like been really inspired by people who, even when the odds are stacked against them, even when they're predisposed to fail and it shouldn't work, they just like push through and work their butt off

and make something happen. I wasn't inspired by like stories like that. So I'm hoping that maybe that's my story too. I'm hoping that maybe me as a dad with two kids at 25 who starts making music at literally 25 when no artist ever makes it at 25. If you want to make it in the music industry, you start when you're 14 and you usually take off in your late teens. Tate McCray took off as a teenager. Now, I think she's like 21.

Benson Boone took off when he was in his teens. So like it's a young person's industry. You have to be young to make it. Come on, you're young. 25. But like, no, but like 25 is old. Like you don't see people. 25 is a new 15. It's like it's very rare though.

So I don't know. I just maybe it works out. Maybe it doesn't. But like I'm going to keep releasing my music every month and just kind of see what happens. I'm excited to see you act. I really think you could book some roles. Like I was so happy that you were on the acting call today because I'm like Abby, you can totally be an actress. I see. Here's the thing that's different between you and me. What? Like you're gonna do this and you're gonna take it to like the nth degree. You're gonna keep going like and success for you will be like the to like the nth degree. You're gonna keep going, like, and success for you

will be like the top, being the top of it. For me, I could easily just do this as like a passion hobby or like a me thing that like, oh, like this is like my special creativity thing. And not like take it to like, oh, I gotta be lead roles. First of all, I don't think I'm capable of that. But second of all- You totally are, you totally are. I don't think I'm capable of that. But second of all, you totally are.

You totally are. I wouldn't want to take it out to that level. I just like love being normal. All I'm saying is the Pennevegas told us that they are making a production company. And I feel like with whatever they do with that, you should audition for their production company. I'll audition. Maybe, I don't know.

I don't wanna put that out there and people keep me accountable. But I am excited, I think I might sign up for an acting class, so. I love being told what to do, like, and I love collabs, I shouldn't say it that way, but I love. Wait, you love being told what to do?

Yeah. I'm really good at taking direction and running with it, I feel like maybe you like direction But you don't like constructive criticism because I love constructive feedback from people But if you ever show me one of your make it videos or something, I have to be really careful Well, I think you're just unique as you're my husband. Yeah, you just want me to like hype you up You don't mean to say anything. Yeah Yeah, no, I do like I want your constructive. But like I legit want you.

I give you constructive feedback and I like it. But when I show you my stuff, I want you to rip it to shreds. I will never do that. I want you to say like, I'm just not that person. Fix this, fix this. This could be stronger. Fix this. Like I want to be better.

So it's kind of I'm weird like that, I guess. Hey, quick warning. If you're in the car with kids, you might want to listen to this without your kids in the car with you. Okay now Let's continue on are we going to tell our kids about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny? Yes or no? Santa Claus it's March right now But okay Easter Bunny that's coming up Easter, right? So like Santa Claus Easter Bunny. Are we gonna do that stuff with our kids? Why are we gonna do that stuff with our kids? Why or why not? I don't know. I honestly, I don't have a...

I might as well. I don't have a firm opinion on it, but I don't like lying to my kids. But at the same time, like the fun and joy of like waking up on Easter morning and the Easter Bunny brought all the eggs or waking up on Christmas morning and Santa brought all the presents. That's so much fun as a kid. Like maybe we can still experience that magic as adults. Yeah.

I guess like I've heard from some people. It's not like this sad moment. Yeah. But I guess like we can just tell our kids it's us. Like maybe we don't have to tell them that it's Easter bunny. Or what if we said things like maybe the Easter bunny brought it That's confusing. I mean think about a three-year-old like they just need I love that I honestly kind of like for me the Easter bunny for some reason

I don't have as much trauma associated as I do I don't like the idea of lying to our kids But then I also don't like the idea of our kids spoiling it all to their friends because think about it I also love the idea of our kids experiencing magic. Yeah, I mean, like I think that you can. Here's the thing that you maybe you can do. You can include imagination into these holidays. Yeah.

And like these traditions without outright lying. Maybe the magic can exist. Let's find some hidden eggs and like, I wonder who put these here and like that can be fun without, I don't know, but then it's like, is it the same thing? Another thing though, like, okay, talking to your four year old about the Easter bunny coming is completely different than talking to your nine year old about the Easter bunny coming, you know, like that's a completely different stage of life. So maybe we just establish like by the age of eight, we tell them the truth.

Because for me, like I was really prying my parents and, you know, digging for them to come clean and tell me the truth about like Santa and stuff when I was eight. And I think by that time I was just like, I was too old for it. So I don't know. Like when you're a four year old, yeah, I think maybe we have the boundary, like when they ask about it, then we tell them. But as a four year old, like you're not gonna, it's not gonna screw with you that you believed in the Easter bunny as a four year old or a five year old.

You know, it's like everything is magic at that time. You literally believe anything that happens to you. It's like, why does it rain? It's like, cause the rain God made it rain. Okay, like a four year old would literally believe anything anybody says, you know what I'm saying? Ah, that's tricky. I don't have a firm opinion on that

because I do want our kids to experience that magic. Well, they're getting Easter baskets this year and we're doing an Easter egg hunt. You know what I'm so excited for? Disney World with our kids here in the next couple of years. They are going to, oh, they're going to have a blast. What they really need is a trash truck world. That is the best thing is like seeing your kid experience everything. Griffin loves trash trucks because they why?

Because of these massive, massive vehicles that take our trash. And it's actually really cool. Like as adults, we just are like, yeah, that's a trash truck. Like we see that every week when you actually study how those things pick up the trash cans and lift it up and dump it. It's really impressive. It's really cool. They're into that.

But our kids just they're not used to everything that we're used to. So all of it is a new stimulus on their brain. Like Augie recently will just like roll and roll and roll and find the little like door stoppers on our doors. Yes. And just start smacking the door stopper. It loves the sound it makes. And it's so cute. And he just loves it. Like to him, it's a toy. Yeah. We'll be in another room. We're like, oh my, how did he find that? He can roll like 20 feet. It's insane.

They're the best kids ever. Yeah, I love that. I just love seeing the world through the eyes of a little kid. Oh yeah. Because they're just, they make everything so much more fun. They're so much happier. Now they do get sad just as quickly as they'll get happy. But I don't know, like when they're sad, though, you know that they're're gonna be happy again in a couple minutes and it's only a temporary thing. Matt I'm really glad you bring this up because this reminds me of a recent statement of yours that I caught on

video. A statement of mine oh my gosh don't You didn't catch it on video, did you? Dang, I missed it. You literally were like a half second off of hearing me say that I wanted a baby number three. You heard it here, folks. You heard it right here. I'm gonna hate myself for saying that. Well, we were actually talking about that. maybe in a long while from now we could have another little uh

Baby Matt or baby. I just like it's just so much like we find we don't need it to be like I just love our kids so so much, and I'm just like I like another one would be so great, but it just It'd be great because we couldn't so great, but it just, ah. It would be crazy, it would be great because we couldn't get it wrong either way because we have another one and it's a boy and he's just like our other boy's best friend or we go for another one and we get to see,

experience what our little daughter would be like. Here's the thing, the newborn stage, can we be honest, it's horrible. Can you quit saying that? It's horrible. It's not. And look, I'm not the only one dealing with this, but it's exhausting. You're not getting sleep.

I know. You get literally depressed. It's so, so hard. So to wanna go through that again, I'm like, no. But to have another kid, if we could just make one magically appear that's the same age as Augie or Griffin right now, or one in between them.

Oh my gosh, that would be amazing. If that, if we could just snap our fingers and boom child, no pregnancy, no postpartum, no late nights, you know, like if that was something we could just completely skip. Yeah, that would be awesome. You're going to miss it though. I really do think like a couple years from now you'll, that's just how people have families. like they keep having them because you do Start to miss like those really tough like you've said like the most challenging things in life are the most rewarding. Yeah, and I mean obviously No time soon and we're not like trying to tease that but it was just funny that that was a conversation that came up on Sunday morning. I legit think I would be down if we could wait like a

while Yeah, like I'm talking like five years I legit think I would be down if we could wait like a while. Yeah. Like I'm talking like five years. Like what if we have like a six and seven year old and then we have like a newborn? I think we might regret that gap. I don't, I mean people do it all the time though. Then they're not going to play together as much. You see families like that often.

I know they do but I feel like everyone's saying like anytime that they've had an age gap they're like I do wish they were a little sooner even though there are some perks. And then the people that have kids back to back are like, oh it's just they're all they're all just buddies But then there's exceptions, of course But then you can also maybe it motivates you to Go out and meet more people so that your kid has someone to play with personally I if I have the option to have all my kids in my 20s, I would do that I mean we could I guess we could do that easily. I'm 25. You're 25 right now, we're both 25. So we can knock them all out while we're in our 20s.

That just seems so scary though, to go back and do that again. No, for sure, I agree. Are you scared? Yes. Do you wanna give birth again? I guess you'd get another C-section, right? That's the least of my worries.

What do you dislike more, the postpartum or pregnancy? Postpartum. Yeah, that's true. Postpartum. Yeah, that's true. Postpartum is really, really challenging. I will say the one perk though of like when you knock out more babies back to back, that we know what to do now. We get how this works.

Oh, for sure. We have all the stuff. We have the baby spoons, the baby plates, the baby clothes, all the toys, all the developmental activities. We've got literally everything that we need. I need to shut up because I'm going to literally talk our way into freaking making another baby. No, I have an IUD.

You just got an IUD. We're very not. It's not even like a real conversation, but I think it was just funny that that was brought up. You wouldn't do that to me, right? Like just like we end up like doing it and then you tell me that you got the IUD out without telling me. Not answer that question for yourself. You wouldn't do that. You wouldn't do that.

That is psychotic. That would be bad. That would be really bad. No, that's extremely, that's not, that should not be allowed. That's not okay. That's not actually like consent either. Oh, that's true. That isn't consent.

Like you can't, when you're consenting to do that with somebody, you are. Oh yeah, you're like assuming that there's birth control present. No, no, no, not assuming. You can't assume that. You need to have that conversation, right? Yes. We've had that conversation, right? Yes, and if you have it. We've had that conversation. Yes.

If I change things without telling you, then that's not proper consent. I'm glad that we got that on tape. Oh my gosh, the fact that you would even go there and put me in that light is crazy. I'm just kidding. Well. You need to go take a nap. I need to go play with my kids.

Well, their bedtime is in two hours, and it's family time now, so we gotta let you guys go. Yes until next week We're really thankful for you guys tune in. Let me let me know what you guys think about my shaved head in the comments No It's okay. I know it doesn't look that great We'll see you guys in the next episode. I do miss your hair sometimes