The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby - Sam & Jess on Getting Married at 18, Waiting Till Marriage & Releasing My First Album

Episode Date: September 25, 2024

Sam & Jess open up about getting married right after high school, coping with the loss of Sam's dad to ALS, and whether they're ready for kids. They also dive into Jess's experience making her debut album, moving to Utah, going on tour, and why Jess decided to get Botox. This episode is sponsored by Lume, Factor, ZocDoc & Article. Lume: Control Body Odor ANYWHERE with @lumedeodorant and get 15% off with promo code UNPLANNED at https://LumeDeodorant.com! #lumepod Factor: Head to https://factormeals.com/unplanned50 and use code UNPLANNED50 to get 50% off your first box plus 20% off your next month. ZocDoc:Go to https://Zocdoc.com/UNPLANNED and download the Zocdoc app for FREE! Article: Article is offering our listeners $50 off your first purchase of $100 or more. To claim, visit https://article.com/UNPLANNED and the discount will be automatically applied at checkout. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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You guys got married at 18, right? Yeah. We dated all throughout high school for four years. So then once we were 18. It just felt like natural. We were also waiting for marriage. We were definitely ready to get married. The first ring he got me,

he literally bought when he was like 17. They have like a Valentine's day sale and I like spent every single dollar I had to buy. And it wasn't a lot. It was't a lot I think because we've been married now like almost four years everyone's like oh you have kids but like we're literally Like we got married at 18 Than everybody got a lot of hate on social media for getting Botox I thought it was like permanent, but it like wears away. Yeah, it doesn't stay

I'll have to like redo this every like four months today on the unplanned podcast We interviewed high school sweethearts, Sam and Jess. The two started dating when they were only 14 years old and despite pushback from a family member, they married right out of high school. But what many people don't know is that when Sam was only 10 years old, he lost his father to ALS. We talk about dealing with hate online,

Jess's debut music album, and why they're waiting to start a family all on today's episode. What's up dudes? And welcome back to the Unplanned Podcast, baby. Yeah! Where did this energy come from? I don't know.

It just came out of nowhere. It's the La Croix. See, we're tired because we went to Bernhoo Camp this morning. Yes. We did. They went and all worked out together today. How are you guys feeling? You guys feeling exhausted after Abby's? It was good.

Dude, I feel like a million bucks. I ain't gonna lie. It wasn't like too like... It was a pretty chill day. It was good. I'm gonna be sore. Yeah, I am too. I was worried you were gonna be the only guy there. I lowkey was. It was like about two others. But no, I mean I felt

the female energy was just thriving in there. Dude, Abby's group fitness class is no joke, right? I'm feeling... Yeah, no. It was crazy. Were you like huffing and puffing with a red face afterwards? Cause that's me. No, it was. It Were you like huffing and puffing with a red face afterwards? Cause that's me. No, it was, it was not a cardio day. Still, even on the non-cardio days, I'm still huffing and puffing.

We got a good pump in though. Oh my gosh. Matt, you're never gonna guess what happened on the way home though. What? I literally hit a bird, like, nor like, I don't know. Dude.

You almost hit one this morning too. You hit a bird? I felt so sad. You actually f***ed one? We don't know the diagnosis. Oh my god. I did, I felt the bird in the bed! Sam was like, there were some feathers. I looked back and it just like, yeah, there were some feathers in the sky.

It was crazy. That is so sad. You know what's funny? Oh, we're going fast. Like, no, I literally like, it just, I think it flew into the windshield. I feel really sad about it. That's not the first time that's happened because when Abby and I were dating, she hit a cardinal and it got stuck in her car

So you could just see this like little red tuffball. Oh my god. It was literally the face was out Oh the king from the fire bird was that the front of Abby's car? It was really really bad and it was just really ironic too because Matt's family's Cardinals fans like the baseball I'm from St. Louis and my family is a Cubs fan, which is like their rival. And so it just looks so intentional. It looks like it was for purpose. I'm pretty sure your family thought that it was like a car accessory. A gag gift or something, yeah, some sort of like.

And it was like a real bird. And it was so sad because I'd been on the highway. Today, I about hit a bird when I was driving to San Majesto. What's going on with the birds of America? I slowed down and I saved a bird's life. I'm young that it is. I was like, I drilled that thing. I didn't, bird's life. She wasn't even going fast though. I was like, I was thrilled that day. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't feel like I was even going fast

though, it just like flew into it. Did you guys see the dent on the side of our Tesla where you can see where Abby hit like a yellow pole? No, but she told us about that, right? Wait, you hit a yellow pole? No, no, wait, that was my mom that did that in a McDonald's drive-through. That was a different story.

You hit your parents' car parked in our driveway back in your garage. Yeah, and I saw it. I was trying to avoid it. I was like, what is wrong with me? I think it was the cold medicine. You and cars are just. Yeah, I know.

I'm like, I've never been in like a formal accident though. Just birds and parked cars. Just birds, curbs. Well, knock on wood. Parked car, yeah. No accidents over here. It's actually a serious fear, especially in Arizona. I feel like the drivers are crazy.

Guys, I'm so excited to talk with you today because Abby and I, like we've always felt like we were the odd ones out getting married so young at 20 and 21, but you guys got married at 18, right? Yeah. Like literally right after high school. Can we talk about that? That is, that is crazy.

Yeah. It was, I mean, it sounds so crazy, which it is, but at the same time, we started dating when we were 14, like freshman year of high school, we were 14, and we did it all throughout high school without breaking up or having any problems at all. So then once we were 18, well, and we were waiting for marriage because we're Christian and everything.

And so that was probably- We were ready. We were definitely ready to get married. But we were also already together for four years. So it wasn't like- It just felt like natural. Like, okay, now that we're adults, we want to move in together.

Like what else are we going to do? What's that conversation like with your parents when you're in high school and saying, yeah, mom and dad, I'm going to get married as a high school kid. Okay, me growing up LDS. I feel like that's like Common ish. Okay, at least like we grew up in Northern California So maybe not like so much in our area But like in the religion feel like people will get married on because they're waiting but you I remember you went to like a wedding

With your family and someone asked if like you were gonna be next and you were like maybe and your mom was like oh you're not getting married till you like graduate college yeah I think my mom was just trying to like protect me from making a bad decision just because you know you're young which it wasn't the bad decision but it was it can definitely could definitely be a bad decision but I had to definitely talk her into it. By the time we turned 18 you were probably younger. I feel like by the time we turned 18 she you were probably younger. I feel like by the time we turned 18, she was like very supportive. I mean, yeah, like she's seen us dating for four years.

So then like she loves Jess. And so it was, I mean, it was easy. It wasn't like everyone was supportive of it for sure. So were you wedding planning when you were in high school? Okay, actually we graduated like a term early, right? Yeah. Oh really? Okay, so our graduating class was 2020. So May 2020 is like when graduation was supposed to be,

but we got out December 2019 because we had like enough credits. You guys are babies. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. And well, and then like COVID hit too. So like, I feel like you proposed like,

it was July. June. June. It was June. I always mix them up. June, he proposed and like COVID had hit in like January. So in California, it was still very like locked down and everything.

So even if we would have still been in school, like I think everything was like canceled anyways or at home. Wait, okay. So you said you proposed in the summer. So this was after you'd already graduated high school. Yeah. So we graduated. Graduated in December.

I proposed in June of the next year. And then we got married November that same year. Yeah. So it was quick. Yeah. Wow, who planned the wedding? We did. We actually, we didn't even have a planner.

We planned it. Yeah, I wish we did have a planner. Okay, well actually, okay, because it was COVID, everything was shut down, especially in California. So we actually just did like kind of like, almost like an elopement in Yosemite. It was basically just like our immediate family and one photographer was like all they allowed.

And we just like got married in November. And then six months later in May, we actually had like a wedding with all of our friends and family once things kind of relaxed a little bit. But we honestly like are so glad it happened like that. Cause I feel like wedding days can be so stressful and we feel like. Oh yeah, I wouldn't change it for anything. It was so intimate it happened like that because I feel like wedding days can be so stressful and we feel like. Oh yeah, I wouldn't change it for anything.

It was so intimate and just like, yeah, I don't remember a day of our wedding with all of our family just because it's so hectic, but we already had gotten married and it was just us and our family and our siblings and it was just like, It was a cool experience. I remember every minute of that day.

That's sweet. But nothing really of the wedding, you know? That's really sweet. Yeah. Like what would your advice be to somebody who is wanting to get married, but then they don't have the money to maybe have a big wedding. Would you just tell them to elope like you guys did?

Honestly, like I like tell so many people it's so worth it to just, I mean, obviously having all your family there too. Like cousins and you know, having the whole thing is also awesome also, but like if you don't have the money for it, if you don't like want to do all that, I think just go in and- Don't feel pressured to have a party for like everyone else, isn't that like what they say? I mean, I do feel like I would have like missed having a wedding and having everyone there, so I'm glad we did both, but if you're looking into just doing something

more intimate beforehand, we really enjoyed it. Who were the voices in your life telling you to not get married? Was it certain family members or certain friends? Honestly, I feel like, I don't think anybody. I feel like everyone knew us, we dated throughout our entire high school experience,

and I feel like everyone just knew we didn't really have, we never had a toxic relationship on the outside to anyone either. So I feel like everyone was supportive. It was just kind of like, this is time. I think it would have been weirder if we didn't get married right out of high school because everybody just knew that that's what was gonna happen.

I do wonder if people that didn't know us very well thought maybe I was pregnant and that's why we did it fast. Oh yeah. But obviously I'm not. That's what happened not. I always like told him I was like I wonder if people thought because we got married so fast. I bet. Yeah. I bet some people maybe wondered but no. That's sweet. Well you guys yeah you said you're similar like you got married super young. Yeah I mean I think we had a lot more pushback than you guys did. I think it must have just been the community that we were in and nobody had ill intentions, it was just. Wasn't like about us personally, it was just like, that's just really early, that's really young.

You know what, actually I will say, the one person that did tell me you should really think about this was my grandparents and they got married at 17 and 19. No way. And they worked out great but they were like, getting married really young can turn out bad for a lot of people, I know we did that., but they were like, you know, like getting married really young can like turn out bad for a lot of people.

I know we did that. I think they were worried about setting like a bad example if like it didn't work out. Like they're like, we're responsible for this. Which is totally valid. Like, I mean, it is pretty crazy. I forgot that they were like kind of concerned. And now they're probably like,

every time we're with them, they're just like, you guys are such a good example. They're always so sweet. Sweet. They're just so cute. Do you feel like getting married at that age made it harder to relate to your peers? Yeah, I even feel like in high school

it was hard to like, well I don't know if that was because we were dating. I think like just being like religious and like growing up in California, like I'm not gonna go to parties and maybe because I wasn't doing that I didn't feel like super close to like some of the girls and then so I just kind of like clung to him and maybe because I wasn't doing that, I didn't feel like super close to like some of the girls. And then, so I just kind of like clung to him and maybe like.

Yeah, but I also feel like our life was moving so fast at that time, cause it was 2020, COVID was happening, right? And we were just starting on social media too. So it was like, we kind of got married and then we moved to Utah. We moved out of California and we didn't really have all these like friends, like in high school. So we-

We had a couple other couples I feel like we would hang out with which became easier. It was kind of just easy because we were just doing our own thing. I'm guessing people in California just don't get married young at all. So was that different? Did you guys feel like you were in a bubble in a way?

Like your own little world inside this state that didn't have as many people that fit maybe a little bit maybe like covid made that like less weird because like I feel like maybe everyone was in their bubble so it was just like kind of like over here doing like planning our wedding that's so true i think covid really helped for like not making things weird because i feel like yeah if we would have still been like in high school or college and we were like having to just like plan our wedding around around all of our peers that probably would have been really strange. But yeah, I feel like we were just at home

trying to plan this thing. I remember there was a lot of difficulties with trying to get married because COVID kept happening. We kept having to push the date and then there was fires and Yosemite Day had to keep getting changed. But yeah, I don't know. A little bit, but I think everyone was just kind of isolated in that time.

Northern California is pretty cool. Like we've been there a little bit. I'd love to go back, but you guys moved, you guys left. I'm curious why, because it's so pretty up there. When you live somewhere that's like, we lived an hour from Tahoe, Lake Tahoe, which is like a destination for so many people,

like two hours from San Francisco. But like when you grow up there, it's so weird, like when you grow up there and you're there every day, like you don't, like we never went, like we never went to Tahoe, we never really went to San Francisco, so like you live in this beautiful area, but you kind of take it for granted.

But that's not why we moved, you can tell why we moved. So I obviously do music and I had a manager at the time that lived out in Utah. And so after we got married, we kind of wanted to like, honestly, growing up, I don't think either of us thought we'd leave California. We were like over in the Golden State. I feel like when you grow up there,

you really do like have pride for living there. We didn't want to leave. But I think it's also really good to like get out of your hometown and like explore. So we were like, you know what, let's go do this it's gonna be good I'm gonna be able to work with my manager and like kind of do the music we had like saved up enough money to be able to like afford to buy like a townhouse out there in California we would have had to rent something because it's just

so expensive so we were like you know this like seems like it would make sense like financially be a good investment for us So we moved out there and I don't work with him anymore, but we just like, we just love it. We love Utah a lot. So we've just stayed. So how old were you when you moved? We had 18. I think we're 18 or wait, no, maybe we just had turned.

We moved in March of 2021 and March is my birthday. So it was like her birthday is in February. So she just turned 19. I turned 19 like a week before we moved. And yeah, pretty crazy. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I feel like moving when we like, we left our hometowns obviously,

right that same age to go to college. And I feel like there's a lot of growth that happens. Like that first time you like leave everything you've known and just like I don't know it was comfortable for us though because we had each other and I'm sure like you're Yeah, honestly like it's it was so scary. But yeah, you have I feel like Honestly, cuz you're going out on your own Having to meet new friends. How did you make community in a completely new state when you're 18 years old. That was hard for us at first. No, I'm serious. We lived there for over a year and had zero friends. No!

We had a dog park by the townhouses. This is so embarrassing. We were trying so hard to make friends, guys. It was so bad. We had internet friends from this job and we had friends that we'd visit in California, but we didn't know anyone in Utah. So we would go to the dog park with our dogs. Well, cause they wanted to be there. Not just the dog park, the bowling alley. We were like, let's like try to meet people.

And we're like, this is weird. This is like not working. Cause we live in like this college town. So we're like, where do the college kids hang out? Like the bowling alley, they go to like Chick-fil-A. Like we were trying, we were so desperate for friends. It was so embarrassing. That sounds so bad.

That was a funny time. We were there for like so long and literally like. It was a year that we sounds so bad. That was a funny thing. But it was like we were there for like so long and literally like. It was a year that we lived in that. Our neighbors were like 50 and so we didn't have any friends. We like had each other. So it wasn't that big of a deal.

We thought there'd be more younger people but we just didn't really like meet anyone that was super young at. But then we moved into the house we are now and we have amazing friends. The whole neighborhood. We moved in and we just started meeting people and they were all around our age

and like we just like hit it off with them. And yeah, that's been really nice. Did you make any friends at the dog park? Dude, not normal people. There's a lot of like, trusting folks at the dog park. Who did you meet at the dog park? I have no idea dude. Not best friends?

No, one and dime type of scenario. Just seeing them. Nice conversations. They didn't leave the dog them. Nice conversations. Yeah. They didn't leave the dog park. The conversations didn't leave the dog park. We actually, we would go to a park. It wasn't a dog park, but there was like

just interesting people walking around this lake. And that's when I first saw, you know, like the, I actually have one now, but you know, like One Wheels, it's that, you know, wheel that it's kind of like a skateboard and it's electric. Anyway, I saw a kid riding one of those and got to try one out. That was like really random that I'm saying that right now.

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That's code unplanned at L-U-M-E-D-E-O-D-O-R-A-N-T dot com. I feel so grateful that we met in high school because I feel like even dating outside of high school and college, it's like hard to just like meet people casually and so like, yeah, I don't know. I think about that. Like we didn't have friends in our neighborhood. Like, yeah, we'd probably still be like

trying to go to random places. That's so sad guys, we're way cooler than that. Making personal friends also is weird. Hey, it's okay, we've been there too. Like moving to Hawaii was really hard to random places. That's so sad guys, we're way cooler than that. Make a personal note though, it is weird. Hey, it's okay, we've been there too. Like moving to Hawaii was really hard to make friends. I bet. I mean, I think everyone has a stage in their life where they don't have friends

and they're just trying to figure that out. But it does make it so much better when you have a friend, when you have like your spouse. But it's something I do think about that I'm like, okay, if I feel weird like trying to make friends, like putting myself out there, I feel like almost every other person out there is also like longing for community friendship And so I remember that and then every single time I without fail people like yeah, let's do something

Let's put something on a calendar. Yeah, and like it's great Yeah, the worst though is when there's like an existing clique or an existing group of people that like Oh, yeah, you want to be a part of the group, but then it's just like, they already have their plans. Like, are we a part of this? Are we not? And then like sometimes you get the invite

and sometimes you don't. Like that's kind of uncomfy. Did you guys ever go through anything like that with living, yeah, with all your moves? Not really. Like I feel like, I could see how that would be like really uncomfortable. I don't know, not that comes to mind.

No, cause most of our friends for the longest time were like, kind of like you guys, like social media, like out of state, like we can go somewhere and visit. And like, we have a lot of friends like that across, you know, everywhere. And then... Just like from high school, basically. Yeah, high school, like...

Friends since kids type friends. Yeah. Are you still in touch with high school. Yeah, high school like. Friends since kids type friends. Yeah. Are you still in touch with high school friends? A couple. About one or two maybe. Yeah. I literally don't talk to anybody from high school. I have some friends like from like, more like preschool.

Sweet. But what's crazy about those high school friends, at least for guys, I don't know if girls are like this. But I don't talk to them at all. But maybe once every one or two years, like get in touch or talk and it's like nothing has ever changed. Like we're just like best friends like for life.

That's what I'm like with my college roommates. Like we just did a snowboarding trip this year. And so, and I actually even had them on the podcast and interviewed them, which was super fun. But yeah, I think it's cool when you have friends like that you can just pick up where you left off. Yeah. Yeah.

Was it that new neighborhood that you moved into in Utah after the townhouses? Was that where you kind of finally found community? Yeah, it really was. Yeah. Like all of our neighbors are close to our age. Like the townhouse community was like, we were 19. Everyone around us was like 45 plus,

like with kids and everything. Yeah. We weren't about to go over there for dinner. It's kind of weird. It's fun, like we obviously don't have kids yet, but like our neighborhood, it was like everyone moved in and everyone started having babies. There was like eight girls pregnant at one point.

Crazy. And so now they all have kids. And I feel like that's maybe like another period in people's lives where like they meet other people as like through their kids at school. So I think like that if we do have kids and still live there at some point, I feel like there's already kind of that built in community, which is really fun.

Have a bunch of young little kiddos. Does that make you guys wanna have kids, seeing all of your friends have kids? Yes and no. I think it like, yes, because they're so cute, but it also shows us how, I feel like our lives are just really busy right now, and I feel like with me doing music.

We see what kids takes through you know, through our friends and also like we gotta get our little baby fix through them and then like we can go home. That's good. Cause we know we don't like, we're not ready for kids yet. Yeah, we probably would be like, music is just like as, like me being a girl, if I were to get pregnant, like I feel like that would take,

like that would put everything on hold. So like, I just feel like, yeah, I just feel like I'm not ready yet cause like things are just going really well with that. And I think once you have your kids, like that needs to be like your focus. If Sam could just get pregnant for you. At least until they're a little younger. Yeah.

No way. I'll just give you my uterus. Oh my gosh. Hey, Megan Trainor did it. She had a baby and then now she's back touring. Exactly. But I feel like she had to get to a point where she could like, I don't know, take a break. You know what I mean? I feel like I'm not like at that point here

where I can just be like, put it on hold. Cause like Adele did it too. I feel like there's definitely like people to do it. Adele has babies? Yeah, I didn't even know that. I honestly did not know that either. I don't know how many, so don't comment on that. But I know she has at least one, yeah.

But even with that, like she's not ready yet, but. Sam's yet, people think what I don't. Dude, I'm not ready for kids. Like I still feel like I'm 18. But I'm pretty, you never feel ready, right? Isn't that what they say? Like you won't, like I don't know. I don't know.

Yeah. I don't feel like I'm even close to being, like I'm not gonna probably do that. Yeah, I feel like with me, like I wasn't like actually, no one ever feels ready, but emotionally, I was like, yeah, I was ready since high school. I was like, Matt, if it happens. Yeah.

That's so funny. I feel that. I feel like if I wasn't doing music and wasn't thinking about all that took, I'd be like, let's have a kid. But it kind of works out perfectly because she's like that. She has her music that's holding her back, but then I have me that I'm just like, I'd be like, let's have a kid. But it kind of works out perfectly because she's like that, she has her music that's holding her back, but then I have me

that I'm just like, I'm not ready. So we have never fought about her wanting kids and I'm just like, no, and then we never fought about that. We've always been on the same page, maybe for different reasons, because she might be ready if she wasn't doing her music thing, but it just kind of works out. No, that's awesome.

There's no timeline for any of this stuff. Yeah. I feel like, I think because we've been married now, I guess almost four years, it feels like everyone's like, oh, when are you gonna have kids? But we're literally 22. We got married at 18, so we have a different timeline than everybody. We don't follow the traditional.

Seriously, yeah, that's so true. That's so funny. And with music, I mean, that industry, I know firsthand, right? It is so competitive and so like not easy to do. So like congrats on what you've been able to accomplish in the music. It's not like, it's not like you just, you know, put out a few songs and oh yay, everyone's listening to my music.

No, you have to like really work for it. And so it's like, it's cool to watch you thrive with your releases. And I know you're about to release an album at some point this year, which is super exciting. I know guys, I feel like I shouldn't be talking about this, but by the time this comes out, I'll be able to. So yeah, we have an album that's coming out November 1st. Whoa!

It's actually on our four year anniversary. Oh, sweet! So I'm just gonna celebrate. I know, it's amazing. Yeah, I'm so excited. It's definitely been a long process. Has this been something you've always wanted to do? Yeah, like I grew up watching like American Idol

or like The Voice, and I think like just like seeing that, there's just something that's always just pulled me. I was like, I wanna do that. I wanna be on that stage. I wrote a song when I was like, I think like 11 or 12 called like Dream, and it was just all. I want to be on that stage I wrote a song when I was like I think like 11 or 12 called like dream and it was just all about like wanting to Be on stage and sing and so that's sweet. Yeah release that song not professionally, but it's still on YouTube I performed it at some like contest

Yeah, so you go through her YouTube dude, it's like it goes back for I think people think that like When someone that does like like influencing as like a job and they like also release music They're like, oh, it's another influencer like trying to sing Yeah, but it's like like you said you had a passion for it before like yeah You ever even got into that and she's been posting YouTube like singing YouTube since I was a nine Literally like if you go on her YouTube, it's like 10 years ago, like her singing stuff. So it's been a long time. That's a long process.

Those are your first videos too. I don't know if you thought this when you were a kid, but I thought when I was 13, oh if I like, okay Justin Bieber put out a video of me singing and that's what we just got discovered. So like I just have to put out one video of me singing and I'll do Baby by Justin Bieber and then like Scooter Bronze and it comes Sco scoop me up and everything's gonna work out. Oh yeah, no, I would literally, sometimes I would be like, if I was like out with my family,

this is like, I was probably like 10, like I would like sing in public places, like on the low key being like, you never know who's. She's not looking around. Or like you hope, you hope like one of those Disney scouts will like come, come get you at the mall and be like, oh my gosh, like your look is perfect for the new Disney show.

Hey, you were in California. Hey, you were in California. Yeah, you were in California. I don't know if anyone's up in North Cal, but. Eight hours from LA. Oh my gosh. You gotta have a little bit of delusion, right? To really like, keep going. Oh, actually, I had a songwriting session.

Actually, one of the writers was like, to like want to be an artist, you have to somewhat be a little delusional because like only 1% of people actually do it. Not even 1%, probably like zero, zero, zero, one. So to be an artist, you have to somewhat be a little delusional because like only 1% of people actually do it. Not even 1%, probably like zero, zero, zero. He was like, so to be an artist, you have to have a little bit of some like delusion to think you can like do it.

A healthy dose of delusion a lot. Oh, you're so right. And I think even, I mean, like the job that you did before you were an artist, I mean, social media, you have to have delusion too, to think that like someone's gonna watch your YouTube video or someone's gonna watch your TikTok video, which is kinda cool that you guys were able to do that

all while you were young and married and just like figuring out things at such a young age. Yeah, I feel like the internet got to kind of like watch, we gotta watch each other grow up, which is kinda crazy. I guess same with you guys, but. Something that I think is super funny that you do is you'll do these concept songs Where it's about a breakup or it's like a revenge song or something. Yeah, and you and seeing you sing these songs to Sam

Cracks me up because like you guys have such a healthy relationship I know and I don't think I like from from the comments that I've seen, people are just, they're like chill. They understand that it's just a story to the song and it's not supposed to be applied to your life. I feel like if I were ever to do something like that, I think it would not go over well. I will say it's been slow coming. When I, I still get comments actually that people are like, like why, I think every time I post a song

that's like a breakup, I get comments that are like, why is she writing this if she has a great relationship like our her and Sam Okay, it's like things going well, but I feel like people don't realize that like well first of all a lot of artists take songs That they didn't even write I have written ever I've been in the room and wrote every song I've put out but like a lot of people take songs that they didn't have anything to do with the writing process and also, sometimes like I'll write a breakup song that like I Put into like the form of a breakup song but it was inspired by like a different relationship or just like a different scenario that I then like

Put it into something that I feel like people can relate in that way. Yeah, I don't know I also just like like a good breakup song. I feel like that's I don't know I feel like that's like something people like talk about is like being in a healthy Marriage or relationship is still like relating to like a breakup song. So yeah, I don't know. There's something that's always like Gravitated I've always gravitated towards like a sad song with my mom used to always be like Why are you writing these sad songs? I'd never even had a boyfriend, but I just like I don't know something about it. I'm feeling moody. Yeah, I don't know. I also feel like sad songs are like a little easier to write. I don't know.

It's like, there's more descriptive words I feel like, or it's easier to write like a really emotional sad song than it is to write a happy song and like try to make it not feel cheesy. I feel like sometimes there's a little more that goes into that. I also feel like it's kind of sad to say, but I think a lot of people in the world

have had more like sad moments than like an over joyful life. Like they might've like had, they probably had more breakups than like amazing relationships. So I think like it might be easier to write breakup songs, like for people to relate to. Cause if you write an amazing, happy, like go lucky song, maybe not everyone can really relate to that like in a relationship type of way

Like she writes a happy relationship song Maybe not that many people could relate to that but I think everybody could probably relate to a breakup song So it's just kind of you know that part. Yeah, I had like Well, most people have had I know you guys are your first boy But most people have had like a bad experience but I think also but But I think relationship breakup songs could also be related to losing a loved one or just a breakup, friends or family.

So I think you can relate to it however you want to relate to it. It's kind of fun to blast a breakup song at the top of your car speakers and just sing along. Whenever you're like, maybe you're sad about something that happened in your day and you're just like, man, I want to, I want to feel this emotion. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm sad. I got to feel it. Have you ever helped write a song or like inspired a song? Well, I guess Loki inspired. Oh yeah. He inspired. All my love songs are about Sam.

So he's definitely inspired a lot of songs. Or I think there was one day that I was like trying to figure out like a word to replace in a song that wasn't fitting Right and you did come through you were like one word Did you get a writing credit on that song? No, I didn't get none of that Actually, I do remember a real I just this came to me a really sweet song you wrote about yeah for him about his dad Yeah, yeah, that was on my first project I knew like going into writing that that was crazy like for people that don't know when you write songs you go into sessions and you like write a song and like usually you'll do a bunch and then you'll pick which like Ones are the best to like put on the project for my first one though

It was literally like I had two producers come out and we just wrote, was it six songs that week? Five or six songs. Yeah, and I just put all those songs out. And I think it was the last song of that week. I was like, I wanna try and write a song for Sam about how he unfortunately lost his dad when he was 10. And I knew I wanted to write a song for him

and for other people that might relate to that. But I didn't know how to, it's kind of an intimidating thing to try to word right, but I feel like that session is one I'll always remember. We were all just crying together in the room and it was just like, I could barely record it. It was really emotional, but it was a really special moment to show him.

I remember getting it back and it was 10 p.m. and I was like, I know that you're tired. It was later than that. It was like 1 a.m. She was like at the studio. I was like I have to show you this song. I've been waiting to get it back. I was like I have to show you. It was so funny because she had done the song like maybe three weeks before but it wasn't done yet like she had written it and it wasn't like really done so she went back to the studio and was there all day like kind of a background vocals. More finalizing it and she texted me She's like, okay, I'm on my way home

But like I want to record showing you this song and I was like, dude It's 1 a.m Like can we not like wait until tomorrow to like I didn't know what it was about I was just like, you know, I've like how many times like not in a bad way But just like it doesn't have I've like how many times like not in a bad way, but just like, it doesn't have to be at 1 a.m. Like it can wait, you know? Like I don't look good at 1 a.m.

It's like, I can like make myself look better in the morning. But then she's like, no, no, like you, like, I need to come home and show you. So it's like, definitely was not expecting that song to start playing. I like started bawling instantly. It was crazy.

That song is beautiful. I love it. It's so beautiful. I love it. Thank you. I showed it to Abby and I was like this is really- Actually we listened to it while we were driving in Northern California. Definitely my favorite song. Definitely. Oh yeah.

Yeah. How have you been doing as like a newly married man and obviously like you don't have your dad here and so I'm curious like how, do you have like a father figure or somebody like you look to in your life that kind of helps guide you? I feel like low-key your dad like her dad taught me how to change my oil in my car. I'm getting a little emotional but pretty much yeah. Oh that's really sweet. You can make me cry. That's so cool that your dad's like, your dad is like now your dad in a way, you know?

Pretty much. Oh yeah, my dad loves Sam. It's funny, he named my sister Samantha because his dog name was Samson, so he loved the name Sam. So he already had brownie points just for being the name. How to say Sam. Oh my gosh. It was funny.

Yeah, sorry. No dude, you're good. But his dad would have been like that. His dad was very like, from what I've heard, I never got to meet his dad, but he was like, his mom will tell me that he would have like, rebuilt an engine in their car if it was broke. Like he was very just hands.

Dude, it's okay. Yeah, you're good. Did you share the song with Sam's mom too? Yeah, I should have recorded that one. I think they were just like visiting one time and I showed both of them in the car, but. We could pause too if you want. Yeah, dude, if you want, it's totally chill.

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while your subscription is active. I don't know if we've talked about I think we talked about this at some point, but they came out I showed them the song and my manager at the time had the idea for them to sing on the outro of it there's like some like like hums yeah and so they came into the studio and they all like threw some like what they call like gang vocals on wait their voices my voice my mom's voice and my brother's voice and like a bunch of like the producers but like we were all like just make it feel big and when I opened for Natalie on tour I'd like ended my my

Set yeah my set with that song which is really cool to have like the audience just like hum with hum with me So that gang is really powerful. That's my favorite part of the song actually Yeah, yeah, so Sam's in there. Yeah, I'm in there tucked in nicely. Yeah, you do see I do see that Was the one time he won't sing for me other than that But like that and like at church he'll sing the hymns a little bit, but that's about it Yeah, that's all I'll give her. I mean like you can just tell how just just like the way you yeah you talk about your dad and the way you've Spoken just just now like I can just tell how close you were and like how how good of a guy he was and yeah

And so yeah, I'm so sorry. Oh no, it's okay. See, I'm crying. It's like this big thing, but it's really like, I mean, it's okay. Like it was 12 years ago and it's not like a really thing. It's not fresh or it's not something that like, I really set up thinking about every day, but it's like.

I feel like there was periods where like, I think when we were getting married, that maybe you felt it like more like not having him there their things like that, but I feel like as times gone on It's maybe gotten a little bit easier. Mm-hmm. Yeah, which is you know, I don't know if that's good But like yeah, just I mean just life, you know, it's how it is If you don't mind me asking was it was it cancer like what what exactly? It was I guess kind of like it's called ALS. So it's like It's what Stephen they think Stephen Hawking had.

How like your body like kind of- But most people it's like the life expectancy when you get diagnosed is like two to five years only. It's not like a big drawn out thing, which I guess could be looked at in a good way. Like you don't have to live your whole life with some crazy like disability. But no, I mean, it was like a fast like thing and.

You guys only knew for like a year, right? It was pretty. I think it was like 15 months. It was like pretty quick, yeah. Oh wow. But yeah, it's basically where like, I could be saying this wrong, but it's like where your brain can't like send signals,

right, to like the muscles. Like your motor neurons or something, like start getting cut off. So like you muscles of your body slowly. Motor neurons or something like start getting cut off so like you kind of lose like, like you kind of like your legs stop working and then like your arms, like you kind of just like slowly get paralyzed. But your head is all, you can still think so it's kind of. Yeah. It's pretty crazy.

Yeah. That's where the ice bucket challenge came from, right? Yeah. The ALS ice bucket challenge. It was crazy because I was definitely doing that. Like everyone was doing. I did that, yeah. Yeah, and I had no, I didn't. That was one of my first videos on Instagram.

I was like, I'm gonna pour this bucket of water on my hand. I wish I could find the video because I think I did it with my brother. Wow, that would be interesting. I think my mom recorded it. I wish I could find that video because that was like a year. Was that before or after?

It was definitely after, yeah. Probably pretty close after too. I mean that was like, yeah. Is that something that you're pretty passionate about? Like, you know, raising awareness about ALS? Like is that? I mean, not like, I don't know, not really. Like not in a bad way, but just like, I don't know.

Like I don't like being the person that like pulls like the sympathy card for having something like crazy happen in my life. Like I probably, I mean I wouldn't have talked about it on here, unless it was brought up type of thing. So I'm not, it's not like my whole personality where I'm just like, you know. And no hate to anybody that makes something like that,

their personality online, but it's just like, you know. But maybe sometime in the future, like if it makes sense, I feel like it would make sense to kind of bring more awareness to it. Cause I think it's something that they definitely need more research on. Cause I feel like I hear about people getting diagnosed all the time, which is, you know, really sad.

Is it one of those things that you just rather not talk about just because it was such a hard time in your life? No, not even that. It's honestly like, like I don't care. It's fine to talk about, I'll talk about it, whatever. But I think just bringing up the song and the whole thing was just like.

But no, really, I mean, like I said, it's happened so long ago. And it's, you know. I feel like that's the thing about grief. As soon as I start to think, I'm over missing someone that just slaps you in the face. You're like, ugh, there's just one thing. And pivotal moments in your life,

like they say holidays, weddings, stuff, it's just like, you start to think more about it who you're missing. Yeah, definitely. What's a happy song that you've written? I do have quite a few happy songs, especially on this new project. There's a bunch of up-tempo stuff,

which I'm excited about. Because I feel like after going on tour, I was like, I need to write some stuff that is fun to play live. So yeah, there's a bunch of songs that I feel like have a more up-tempo vibe on this project. Touring, that's so cool. What do people need to know about touring

that they wouldn't really think about? I don't know if people like realize that you're literally living on the road for like that duration of time I guess I don't really thought about it. But like The craziest part. Okay. So like I guess when you're like really big no I guess when you're really big you have like a tour bus and everything and so you have like your bed on the road Like and you have like a closet on there and everything. But we were- Yeah, at this stage, yeah. At this stage, we were just in like a SUV,

like a big expedition. Okay. And so we would pull into a city and check in to like a hotel. Okay. And we have like 10 bags. And so- And you're like unloading your life

and loading it back up every day. Every single day and night, like loading in and loading out just suitcases of your clothes. You can't ever unpack, yeah. No. So you like loaded all of your own gear, like all of your own equipment and audio, like lights.

Oh no, not that, just like. Okay. So, well I guess it probably depends, like per situation, with me being an opener, they were like, Natalie's team was just so like, easy going and nice. We were able to use use her front of house guy and the person she brought for merch and stuff.

So we didn't have to bring as much as maybe someone else would. So we just brought me, Sam, my guitarist and my manager. And so the guitarist would bring his stuff in every day. But they just kinda cut my mic and set that up. And that was kind of all we had. But more so just the living aspect of it. When you go on a trip and you check into a hotel,

you open your suitcase, you get your toothbrush out, you put your shampoo in the shower, it's like, no, you literally just unpack, you leave, go to the show, come back, you grab your toothbrush out of your bag, brush your teeth, put it back in the bag. You never get to settle. Like you never get to like settle. Like it's just always like.

Well and I feel like you just have more stuff on tour cause like I had like my kettle and then I had like, we were getting sick so we had like a bag full of all this medicine we had brought. So I feel like you're, oh and I had like a big thing with all my makeup also. So you're just like lugging like all this stuff around. But it was so fun though.

Like you know it's just. Yeah it went by really fast, like we really enjoyed it more than I thought. I was really worried that like I'd hate it and just like hate being on the road, but it was like a really cool experience. How many cities was it? It was supposed to be 24 shows, two got canceled,

but we still went to like, I guess 24 different cities then. Yeah. Oh my goodness. Yeah. Yeah. And you're just driving around the United States of America, just city to city. And then we put 13,000 miles on the car that we rented Average day is like you wake up Woke up in the wake up sometime, right?

Yeah, you wake up and you usually like what drives in the next city go to like soundcheck perform sleep Wake up and do it again is like pretty much the cycle. Sometimes I think every like three shows You'd have like another day off, which sometimes was spent just driving because it was like a further distance. But yeah, it's pretty crazy. That's so cool. You're such a good sport too.

I know. Like what is your role? Dude, honestly though, like I love it because one, if I were to stay home, I'd be freaking bored on my mind because I would just be alone for seven weeks, which would not fly but I could go to the gym which was hard not to go to the gym and like have a routine on tour that was the hard thing. Sam loves the gym like he hates missing the gym for a single day.

But for tour it was okay but if I was at home it would be like even worse so I was you know I was just pretty much I was pretty much her little assistant you know. Couldn't you just do a run or find some like gym on the road to work out at? Yeah dude, those hotel gyms are like... We weren't staying at like bougie hotels so they were... Holiday inns and stuff and dude those hotels are crazy. Maybe next time we'll be a little more elevated. Dude it's funny whenever I travel, I don't like to spend...

If I'm by myself, not with my family, but if I'm by myself, I'd like to spend money on a hotel. So I'll just get like the cheapest one. And then it just smells like mold. Like you walk in and it's just like, what am I smelling right now? Are there like, is there a sandwich underneath the bed? That was like the game on tour. It was like, what is the hotel gonna look like in the city? Because some of them, they're not built equal. Like some of the things are really nice. Some are good, but then some were like, what is the hotel gonna look like in the city? Cause some of them. They're not built equal. Like some of the hortens are really nice. Some are good, but then some were like, whoa. Yeah, some are like pushing bougie and then some are sandwiches under the bed like crazy.

Yeah. I don't know, Matt, we had a couple pretty memorable hotels. Oh gosh. Like before we had kids. The one in California, no, the one that we stayed at with me, you and Griffin one time, you guys. Oh yeah. We, that was at Sheridan, we thought it,

Sheridan was like supposed to be nice. Sheridans are not created equal. This one was, I got bed bugs. Abby had bites all over her legs. You guys had bed bugs? Bed bugs. We think it was bed bugs. I don't, it wasn't like.

We have pictures and videos, it was bed bugs. Like it. And I was also like already sick in bed, so then I got it way worse because I was in the bed all day and then I was like what in the world like already be sick that's horrible yeah this is actually and then they just said they couldn't refund us so they just moved us to a different room oh yeah we should have definitely got we should have like it's cuz we booked it through like a third party like Expedia or something like that. There are bed bugs in my bed. See, I always feel bad, right?

Because like, it's not... Oh, sorry. No, go ahead. It's not the person's fault who's dealing with all the guest complaints that there's bed bugs in your room. So I don't want to pitch a fit and ruin their day. Yeah, just the resetters.

It's just their job. It's just their job. So I like, I have empathy for them, but then I always screw myself because I don't like speak up enough. You're like, this is actually really bad, guys. We should have never had to pay for a hotel that had that. But we paid full price so it was all good. And it was in California it was like $400 for a night. We're both not good like that.

I feel like we're always like no you say something. She makes me go into Ulta to return her products. I hate returning stuff too. You do it though. I do it. Yeah. To return her Ulta. We trade off. Like if he needs like water at a restaurant,

I'll be the one to ask for it. That's true. We like trade off on things so. Yeah, the only thing, I've gotten better. Like if we're at a restaurant and they like completely do like bring out my order wrong, I will let them know. Cause I, and I'm still gonna tip them. You're more likely to speak up than me.

At a restaurant, because I used to be a server and I knew like as a server, it didn't, I was just like, oh I'll just. You want to help the. Yeah. It's like. The guest like. Yeah. I'll just tell the kitchen, hey, the food got messed up, we just need this. And then it's like no big deal.

It's all chill. Obviously it costs the restaurant some money, but you're not gonna hurt this like server who's getting paid like $3 an hour. Yeah, I think the restaurant would want, like if they could fix it for you, you're gonna come back. So it's not, the restaurant would probably be more than happy.

Yeah, and we always take care of the servers. So it's like, I never feel bad if they actually do mess up the food. I will say, hey, by the way, it's not a big deal, but if you could just fix this and they're chill. Usually it's because they put cheese on something. Matt did not want cheese. But I admitted to Matt in the car yesterday,

I was like, he says he doesn't like so many cheeses, but he says all the time, he's like, I never eat Parmesan, I hate Parmesan. I was like, Matt, just so you know, a lot of your favorite dishes that I make have Parmesan in them, you just have no clue. I'm on to you, I figured that out by now. The big thing is my dad would just pour

powdered Parmesan onto his spaghetti spaghetti and it smelled so bad So bad, I hate powdered parmesan I love it I like it on my spaghetti, but I like the grated too. I'm not I don't discriminate You're like I don't like any cheese My sister though, she would dump it in her like ramen and that smelled horrid That was awful Cheese just smells bad like it literally smells like farts

Like why would you want to eat something? Not a big cheese guy not a big cheese guy over here Which one of you is the hook in your relationship definitely me definitely him I know I feel like I could follow a recipe if I wanted to, but I just like, he likes it, so I'm not gonna complain. I'll let him take, and he's really good at it. What do you cook? Oh, like all these things.

He also started posting some cooking videos recently. That's awesome. He does a really good job at that. A little low-key some Instagram videos, but. He makes, I mean everything. I mean, I think I'm just good at following a recipe and just making it look good. I don't like, I don't know, I'm not out here like

making my own recipes and doing all this crazy. I can follow directions really well. If it ends up not tasting good though, are you offended if someone tells you because it's not your recipe? Does that make sense? No, but it always does taste low-key good. So yeah.

It always does. I mean, have I ever made anything that was like really bad? No, but it always does taste low-key good. So yeah. It always works. I mean, have I ever made anything that was like really bad? No, but I'll tell him if like, sometimes if he like puts a seasoning on a chicken, I'm like, oh, this doesn't taste like as good as last time. But no, I don't care. Like if like something tastes bad, I'm like, bro,

tell me, because we can go get something else. If it doesn't taste good, we can go to In-N-Out or something. You know, I feel like, well also, he makes me usually pick the recipe. He'll be like, can you tell me what to make? Cause he doesn't want to like find something. So I'll send it to him. So if I don't like it, it's kind of like, I think.

Like it's not me. Yeah. Abby is a fantastic cook, a fantastic chef, baker, all of that, like so, so talented. But one time our friends made cookies. This was in, we were living in Hawaii and the cookies were like, they were like the best cookies I've ever had in my life.

I learned the hard way, like to not, I've ever had in my life. You're still thinking about it. I learned the hard way, like to not, like I can compliment my wife's cooking, but I should be careful about complimenting another woman's cooking. I'm not even offended by that. Because Abby, at the time you got so offended. It was the way that every single time you're like,

can you please give Abby your recipe for cookies? These cookies are, like it was like so over the top, I was like, all right, if you hate me, just say it. That's so funny. I was like, maybe you should live with her. She can make you with the cookies whenever you want. I literally would just compliment your cookies. That's all it was.

That's all it was. I wasn't actually mad. I was just kind of joking with you. That's so funny. Abby, and you know what? You're a better chef than she is. You're better. Don't say that. I don't need you to say that. I think your food's better. So, that's not, I did not mean for that to sound weird at all. Okay.

I would say what? Jess does make a mean like box brownie. You know what I'm saying? I do all the baking. I do cookies from scratch. She makes the sourdough. Oh yeah, I'll do the baking. Little baker girl. Yeah. That's sweet. Isn't it tricky though? I don't know who it is that makes more dessert.

I'm guessing Jess makes more of the dessert because when Abby will bake a bunch of cookies, I have, once I smell fresh baked chocolate chip cookies, my self-control goes out the window. You know what's crazy? Is this the opposite? Like I- I kind of wish he was like that because I grew up in a family, we were talking about this, I grew up every night having dessert and like both my parents, every one of my family would like if we made brownies like they'd be gone that night like

everyone's gonna just like eat the whole thing. The cookies go bad in our house because I don't care for cookies. He'll have two the first night and then he just doesn't like fill the urge after that and I like will want to eat them All but I'm like, I'm gonna get fat if I eat them all so I try not to and then like then they just go Bad and so yeah. Yeah, I'm more of a gummy guy. Give me some give me give me five pounds of gummy bears They'll be gone like I'm the complete opposite you gave me five pounds of gummy bears I will never touch them ever like I That's his thing. I'm the complete opposite. You gave me five pounds of gummy bears, I will never touch them ever. Like I, like give me five.

Well we can just swap. I'll give you the cookies, you give me the gummy bears, I won't be all straight. Bro, we will both be obese. I know, seriously. No, seriously, if you gave him a bag of candy, it's literally gone, like he loves candy. I've told Abby, like sometimes if it's like,

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What would you say you're most excited for with music? Because you're also going to headline a tour coming up, right? Yeah, we haven't like officially announced that, but we are. We have a headline tour in the works. So I can't say like when it's happening, but just stay tuned for like on sale dates.

But yeah, I'm like, I'm super excited and super nervous at the same time. Cause like, I just hope people come. But I'm so, I'm so excited. Like it was so fun last time. And I think like getting to watch Natalie, she's just so incredible. It like is super inspiring.

So I'm excited to like put together my own just so incredible. It is super inspiring, so I'm excited to put together my own show and find who will open for me and just put together the whole thing. I think it's also a really fun bonding experience with your crew. You travel around together for a month and a half, so I'm excited to see who that turns into and how we all mesh.

And honestly, the most exciting part is just performing for fans and like seeing people Like sing song like sing your songs is like so surreal and I feel like as an opener You don't really know like who's actually coming to see you or who maybe just knows you but came to see Natalie So I think that I was blown like the amount of fans Like every single city. I was so nervous. Yeah, like everybody screaming the words her songs I was like dude, this is like I was like most of the shows had already like sold out when I when like I announced I was opening so I was like

I don't know if I'm gonna go and no one's gonna know any of my songs But it was so it's especially it was so reassuring like the first night like there I remember seeing a fan and she came to three shows actually, but she was singing every single word and I was so nervous I remember looking at her and she was just mouthing all the words to me and it was just like, okay, I can do this. I think it's just so crazy because the world that we live in, we do social media, we post videos,

and I think we get lost in the view count. We could post a video and it gets 10 million views and after doing it for five years, it's not that you're ungrateful, but it turns into just kind of like a number, like, oh, that video did really good. That's all you say. But then you go on tour and you see 500 people,

like only 500 compared to like millions of views online, but only 500 people in a room. It's a lot of people. Crying, buying merch, singing your songs, like that is way more fulfilling than like getting a billion views like just on like the screen. Yeah, it's pretty cool to like have them come up and they like spent their own money to like wear your merch

and like take a picture with you. And like you said, sometimes they're crying to your songs and it's just, yeah, it's so surreal. So I'm so excited to do that again and meet people. It was really neat getting to go to your tour in Phoenix. I think I saw, was that your second show of the tour? I think so. Yeah, I think it was.

You saw me like really fresh. And Sam's back there like with the camera getting all your like BTS. Yeah, yeah, you'll have to come to the next one. I'll be like a little bit more rounded after having done more shows now, but yeah. That's cool. Yeah, thanks for coming to that.

It was fun to have you there. Of course, yeah. It was cool to see. It was fun to have you there. Of course, yeah, it was cool to see. It was really inspiring too, to see, yeah, you guys just kill it. And I mean, you've got such a supportive husband who's behind the scenes. I'm just out there filming it.

It's fun. Filming all of that. Yeah, I guess you were like in a way, Jess's like personal video guy the whole tour right? Pretty much yeah. That's not like what I do. Like I'm not, I mean actually I used to be into photography in like in high school.

But just like that I have the camera, a nice camera and you know, know how to use it. I'm like, well I might as well use it and get videos for her because she doesn't have someone on the road for that. So when you're like an opener, your budget's like really small so like having him do video just like made the most sense I think like doing a headline you're gonna be

spending more because you're gonna make more back so we'll probably like have someone come along and that's just like their dedicated job but yeah it's so handy that he was able to like film everything for me. Especially after 20 shows it's not new to 20 shows, it's not new to me. The show's not new to me, so I don't need to necessarily be just watching it. He's watching the same show every night.

I can really just kind of almost detach and just get the content and make it kind of like that. It's fun. Did you take Sam's last name? I did legally. No way. Okay, because your name on Instagram is different than's last name? I did legally. Yeah, no way. Okay Yeah, your name on Instagram is different than his last name on Instagram It was throwing me off

This is probably like bad but like the username wasn't available and I had Jessica bio all my music was under that and so I was just like it just felt easier to keep it. Yeah, I guess so like I changed it legally It's on my passport. My ID is it's Jose like I like Jessica bio sounds better, too I don't really like how Jessica Artist name like yeah, you can it just is what I had had and I think music was kind of already like Turning into something a little bit at the time And so we were like, let's just like leave it how it is and like it was made the username easier across all platforms Like I feel like that one was taken on everything and so so we were like, let's just leave it. Which one do you respond to more?

I feel like both. Like at church people will say Jessica Jose. Okay. But like, I feel like outside of that. I mean everyone just calls you Jess. Yeah, everyone calls me Jess. Yeah, you know. Yeah, it's just not really as many instances, where you.

Growing up did people say, no way Jose to you on time? Oh dude, no way Jose. San Jose. Oh, I was on dude, No Way Jose, San Jose. Oh, I was on the Pee Wee football team. I was on the Pee Wee football team, like second, third grade vibes, you know? But the coach, when I was talking to my mom, and he's like, is your son's name actually Sam?

And she's like, yeah. And he's like, you didn't name him that because of San Jose, like the city, because it's literally one letter off. she was like oh never even thought about that Yeah, my whole life I don't get it now but during school it was yeah topic of conversation that's so funny Yeah, did that get to you or people no stop saying no way Jose? No, I kind sick of it. No, I kind of liked it.

I was like, it gave me something that was like, you know, no one else is getting that, you know, no one else had that. And so I was like, I got something going, you know. That was what was going for him. That's all I had going for me, was my interest in me. Were you bummed when Jess kept her original name on all of her music? No, honestly not. And at first you were like slightly, you were like, wait, Jess kept her like original name on all her music. No, honestly not.

At first you were like slightly, you were like, wait, you're not gonna change it. But then I think. But after we talked about it for literally five minutes, I was completely fine with it. I was like five minutes. No, I'm serious. Five minutes later.

But that was like the main comment we got for so long was just like, oh my gosh. Oh really? And I'm just like, dude, like it's fine. Like I don't, I really don't care. Especially in like today's society, I feel like it is more and more common for like women to maybe keep it

or just like add it on as another name. I mean, I did just change it. Like it's not legally. I feel like I actually did change it. It makes sense though, like because you had an established brand already under your original name. Right, like at the end of the day it's social media. It's a business.

At the end of the day, it's like, like she has it on her license. She has it on her like, you know, there's importantly we're married. Yeah Like that's what I'm trying to say like at the end of the day. It doesn't matter what social media You know portrays it as like it's fine Yeah If you guys had any weird things happen to you with doing social media at your job or I don't know if there was anything Weird that happened on tour like any crazy stories where something

unexpected happened. My parents were trying to come to our, it was the Houston show. They were like driving out to come to that show and Natalie like, unfortunately got sick that night and had to cancel, but they were like already almost there. And like the next day we were playing in Nashville but my parents were headed to like Gordon's Swim Meet the next day, my little brother. And so they weren't gonna be able to see it.

And it was like really important to me like to come to my first time going on tour to see me like singing all my own songs. So I was pretty bummed that they like had already drove out and they weren't gonna be able to like come. But then like literally that night the swim meet somehow like I guess there wasn't enough kids. So they pushed it it a day.

So they were able to drive overnight. It was crazy. They drove overnight to Nashville and then drove straight from the show, oh no, they drove to Nashville, slept, and then after the show, they drove overnight to a swim meet. I was worried they wouldn't make it, but I felt like everything just worked out

just so they could be there for me, which was really cool. That's so sweet. Yeah, so that was cool. I feel like that was just something where things just there for me, which was like really cool. That's so sweet. Yeah, so that was cool. I thought that was like just something where things just kind of just like lined up in a really cool way where they could be there, so. So your parents are really supportive of your career?

Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely. Like my mom's been like trying to do this thing with me since I was like 10, so I think it's really cool for her to see it like kind of happen, so. That's so cool. Yeah, she's definitely been like a big cheerleader from the beginning, very lucky. Even with the main act being sick one night,

you couldn't just hop in and perform. It's not like you can. Well, people pay to see Natalie. So they'd have to refund that and then maybe just put the tickets for six. I don't know, it wasn't even an option really. It was so last minute that it had happened too. I think they already like set up the room and then like they had To call it off because like when you are a headliner

You have to be really careful because like if she were to overdo it then she could be out for a few shows So like I understand why she decided to just like be safe that night But yeah, I guess like for me that's what my mom was saying like can't you just go up there and still perform? But it's like To a concert and like the headliner's sick like you don't you just go up there and still perform? But it's like, it's just out of the back end. If you get a ticket to a concert and the headline is sick, you don't wanna go and just see the opener. Yeah, you go to see Beyonce.

Some people might still come, but. Some lesser artists open. And it's like, it's still cool, but you're like, I paid to see Beyonce. Yeah, so you'd have to still issue refunds, and then you don't really know who's coming. It's like a whole thing. Which I'm sure there's a lot of people

that bought tickets just to see you, or people that were really, really excited to see you. Yeah for sure. Definitely. Yeah, hopefully. Yeah I mean if they're singing the lyrics to your songs, of course, yeah Yeah, so we hope that will come to that. Well, we should be going back to this. I think that's on the list We're going everywhere, baby. Well, okay What's crazy to me though like when you think about cancelling a concert think about when it's a stadium like when it's when it's like 20,000 people. When people fly in. Think about the amount of money lost. It's crazy to be like everyone buying tickets and then

the hotels and the flights. That must be crazy when John Mendes or Taylor Swift has to cancel. It's a big loss. Yeah, I think some people, obviously if you're like super sick There's nothing you can do you have to cancel But I think they they probably do like put things in place or maybe they'll have like an alternate show built Yeah, like the leads are in to help support her so she's not having to like sing You can more just like so mouth it and perform just so you can still do the show I've thought I'm like have they ever just let them mouth the lyrics Oh for sure they just kind of dance around and pretend they're people that down dance a lot

I think like do That level I've heard like there's a lot more like lip-syncing going on Yeah, thank you because like they're running around such a big stage though like record an alternate version So it still sounds more live and they probably are still singing parts But maybe you know the parts where they're dancing. They're just like yeah built into a trap No, it's yeah, it's already like amazing like just everything they're having to remember like Taylor Swift doing three hours I just like can't even there's no shot. She's singing straight for three hours I don't know. We don't know maybe maybe she just built different but

Yeah, I know that you said your four-year anniversary is coming up. I think there's something on social media about you getting a new wedding ring. Was that something that happened recently? That was for our three year wedding anniversary. Yeah, I got a new one. Wow, that looks, that thing's huge. I know, you wanna talk about that? Yeah, well we always wanted to go to Europe

as just a trip. And so we went to Greece and that's where I gave her that. We renewed our vows and everything. And it was actually like, it was like a brand deal situation. But it wasn't, it's hard to explain, but it was a surprise to her. And-

Yeah, the management had worked it out for him, but he got to pick it out and surprise me with it. It's so hard to explain, but anyways, we booked a trip to Greece. Which is nice, yeah. I mean, I don't think we probably would have upgraded it because it is so expensive, but it was so nice. Yeah.

I was surprised when I was like, oh my gosh. So I was like, hey, well if we're doing that, then we can't just stay in Utah. Oh yeah, he was like, we have to go somewhere. I was like, dude, we're going to Greece. I can't give you this. If we're doing that. If we can't just stay in Utah. Oh yeah, he was like, we have to go somewhere. He was like, dude, we're going to Greece. I can't give you this. If we're doing that. If I'm giving you this room.

I'm not giving that to you in our living room. That's what I'm saying. So I was like, okay, we're going to Greece, we're going to Italy, we went to Switzerland. We made a whole thing out of it. That's sweet. And it was just, yeah, even though. And I kind of thought he was up to something the whole time,

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your first purchase of $100 or more. The first ring he got me, he literally bought when he was like 17. So he had always wanted to like get something a little bigger I was I was 17 and They have like a Valentine's Day sale and I've like spent every single dollar I had to buy and it wasn't a lot And like I Really spent everything I had on it so that I could propose because I really bought since it was not a lot and like I really spent everything I had on it so that I could propose.

Because I really bought it since it was on sale. I was like, dude, this is a good sale. I have to get it now. Because then I won't be able to afford it then. Oh, because you didn't propose until June then. It was like a year later. Yeah, I had it for probably. Oh no, February.

Sorry, it was February to June. Yeah, so it was like. Okay, yeah. Whatever, how many months that is. Yeah, so then I've always wanted to, not that your ring size matters in your relationship, doesn't like measure the love that you have for somebody, but I mean, I had always wanted to get something,

you know, a little nicer because at the time that's all I got, wasn't that big, but. Did you know that he had bought the ring at the time, the original one? I think I kind of knew, I had to like, I think you sent me which one to buy. Oh yeah, no, well we had went and like looked at like rings in the mall and stuff. So I think I had like told him had like I think you said you wish one to buy oh Yeah, no well we had went like looked at like brains in the mall and stuff So I think I had like told him like I don't like you don't have to get it

But there's a sale going on I said let her see it like she knew I got it But it was I didn't know when he was gonna propose. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I didn't know that you had in your room Yeah, yeah, that's sweet. How did you end up proposing actually pretty crazy? So up in our town it was like 40 minutes out like 20 minutes on a dirt road through the forest. And there's like this crazy overlook. And I actually had her best friend like help me make this PVC pipe wrapped in flowers, like arch thing. And then I put a blanket down candles and everything and then had her friend that helped me set it up, like take her out to get her nails done, and then like pretty much. I definitely like had a feeling it was happening that night, but she actually really confused me

because like she was like, she kept like taking wrong turns because she was trying to stall. No, it was crazy. Our proposal story is actually wild because literally it should take only 40 minutes from my house to get to where I was gonna propose. On the way there's an oil spill on the highway

that I have to get on. It was backed up for hours. And it was like her friend was already taking her there. Like everything, the photographers were like half a mile in front of me. Like it was all set, right? And I was like, I remember calling my mom. I was like just bawling on the phone.

I was like, this isn't gonna work, everything's going wrong, blah, blah, blah. And, but then like I ended up getting there probably like an hour later than I wanted to, but the sunset was still happening. And then yeah, her friend, cause I was texting her friend, I was like, dude, don't, like don't get there yet,

don't get there. Cause she was going from a different way, like a different side of the highway. So they were getting there easier than I was. And so then her friend like, she's like, Jess, I need to go to the bathroom. She just pulls off and she starts peeing on the side. Like in the middle of the woods.

She was just like trying to stall. She's like, I just can't hold it. Your friend is literally peeing on the side. Oh my God. Oh yeah, she was dedicated. Yeah, so. She was dedicated. Have you guys ever done that before, Sam?

What? Peed on the side of the road. Oh, for sure. Not like public indecency vibes, but it was like in the forest. Yeah, same. Yeah. We've had situations.

What a random question. I'm sorry, I mean like, I feel like that's, people go through that. Yeah. Okay. But no, I have like, I wanted, I wanted probably like, I just missed something. Sorry, back to the oil spill.

You're trying to propose to your wife. No, that's about it. But I wanted, I originally wanted- Can I tell the story? What story are you- When you peed in the coffee cup and I had it- Oh, that's what I missed.

And it got on my hand and I had to chuck it. We were like in the middle of nowhere in Hawaii on a trip in the big island. I vaguely remember that. Surrounded by volcanic rock. I actually have a video of this, but it's like deep back on a trip in the big island surrounded by volcanic rock. I actually have a video of this, but it's like deep back on a hard drive anyway. Yeah. It's hidden in the drive.

But like there was no bathroom. Like we were in the middle of nowhere, like in this like, we were in Volcanoes National Park and it's just like in the middle of nowhere because the park's huge. There's just so much like lava and stuff anyway. But it's the lava we were around was, it had hardened. It was no longer gonna like kill us But yeah, that's when you said that your friend peed on the side of the road that just like instantly brought me back to that memory Yeah special moment

Okay oil spill oh yeah on the side of the road, that's about it There but she said yes at the end of the day. It's all good. Was your family there? No. I was just you guys. Heck no. Yeah just us. And her friend like left after. I don't even know where she went. She just like, she dropped me off. She's like I'm done here. Which is honestly better. I feel like not that family is bad to be in those situations, but, you know, sometimes you just wanna be, you know, just you. You guys. That's how, honestly, we did it, even though we were surrounded by strangers,

but like, we didn't have anyone like talk to us. Oh yeah, you guys, you proposed her at Disney, huh? Yeah, nobody was there. It's literally just us. But like, none of our family are friends is there, but I honestly love that. Like, I felt like it was great to have everyone at the wedding, but like, that moment was really special

to just like share between the two of us. Yeah, I don't think family needs to be at proposals the two of us. Because it's ultimately like, yeah. I don't think family needs to be at proposals. Bro, I hated this random dude, my phone. He had no idea what was happening. I was like, hey, it's already recording. We didn't do social media. I was like, can you please just hold this phone for me?

You have a stranger record it? Random dude. And you can hear the guy in the back room, you're like, oh, oh. He realizes how important the video is. I'm starting to like set up more. He's like, oh yeah, I gotta, he's like, I gotta get ready. Well, Disney has like photographers there.

So I was like, oh, we'll just get a picture in front of the castle. And then right when I went down on a knee, the photographer knew what to do. Cause I'm sure it happens at Disney, you know, where people just randomly show up and propose like I did. Probably not like the way that I did it, but I was only two, how old was I?

20? 19? No, you were 19. I think I had just turned 20. I turned 20 like two days before but I was only how old was I 20? No you were 19. I think I just turned 20 like two days before. I was 19. Yeah good times man. Proposals are fun aren't they? Like isn't it so crazy? It seems like forever ago.

Isn't it crazy like you pretty much know that she's gonna say yes or at least I did I was like there's no way she's saying no right? Like we've pretty much talked about it but like you still, I was still like shaking. And like- He was shaking! Like why are you so nervous? I've never seen him shake like that. Like why are you so nervous when you know like the answer?

It's just still like- Part of the reason I was shaking though, is I was nervous of what other people would think about me. Like this young kid proposing. Really? Yeah, did that not intimidate you at all? They were alone. Yeah, I guess we weren't.

Oh, you mean like people at Disney? Yes, but then in general too, like all throughout that time I felt this pressure of people probably just think I'm a kid and I was a kid, but at the same time I knew what I knew and I knew what I wanted. Yeah, sometimes I did feel embarrassed to be like, my husband. I mean, yeah, definitely, definitely walking around when we're 18 and I introduce her and like that's my fiance. It definitely felt weird and we definitely, I mean we got a lot of looks. We still get a lot of looks fiance. It definitely felt weird. And we definitely, I mean, we got a lot of looks. We still get a lot of looks now.

I still feel weird saying, this is my husband. We still get a lot of looks. We were at something for the 4th of July and there's this older couple in a parking lot and they started talking to us and we were like, oh, we've been married for four years. And she's like, what'd you get married when you were five? Like, no, we've been married.

We're 22. So we still get that, but I don't feel weird five? Like, you know, we married, like we're 22. So we still get that, but I don't feel weird about it. Cause you know, it's just our life. Maybe I just got self-conscious about that. I don't know, but it was, it was definitely, it was, it was a fun time though. And I don't know, like even, even now, sometimes there was somebody at the resort we were just at

when we went for our five year wedding anniversary that was shocked. She said the same thing to Abby. She was like, you have two babies? Like, did you have babies when you were five? Like what? Yeah, that is a compliment though. Right. Yeah, it is a compliment. And I have two kids because especially because you look so good and so sweet. No, right. Seriously, Abby, you look amazing. But what's nice though, if people do think like you're really young, what I've had to remind myself is, like you'll still look younger as you age.

And bro, like I'm already getting wrinkles. I've got some gray hairs popping out. Okay, Abby's pointed them out to me. I've got gray hairs now. Yeah, so like you guys, people are gonna be like, wow, you look so good for your age. Like, what's your secret? You know, so that's definitely gonna happen.

Well, people are living longer in general. So I think like 50 year olds probably don't look like 50 year olds 200 years ago either. So we probably just like, also we probably do look younger because we're just living longer. Plus with like Botox and surgeries, it kinda, you can, I can't guess some people's age. I'm like, some.

Yeah. Like I feel like you're older, but you look so good. It's kind of deceiving. Okay, it's funny you brought that up Abby, because I actually saw my research on Sam and Jess. I'm pretty sure you got Botox recently, Okay, it's funny you brought that up Abby because I actually saw my research on Sam and Jess. I'm pretty sure you got Botox recently, which makes me curious because I've heard there's so many benefits to it, right? Apparently you could get Botox in your armpit and then you don't sweat out of your armpit anymore. Isn't that crazy? Yes. That's why Heather keeps saying, he's like,

I'm about to get Botox but in my armpit. I'm like why? Wait, is that like where does it go then? I don't know. It seems kind of dangerous. I think it makes it so you can't sweat. I don't know. Maybe it's not even Botox. We'll start panting like dogs, isn't that how they stay cool down? Where did you, wait yeah. What was your Botox experience? Okay, well, okay. The only reason I got it was I have always had an eyebrow that like raises like do you see how this one like moves a little bit? Okay. So it would like arch like just right that like raises, like do you see how this one like moves a little bit?

So it would like arch like just right there, like it was like un. Like a mountain. Like a mountain. It would just like make like a V right there, like un, like what's the word I'm looking for? Uneven or? Like just like.

Oh, like I had a mind of its own. Yeah, I was like, I can't think of the word, but that would be like wanting it too. Like if I was doing photo shoots, I feel like, I can't think of the word, but without me wanting it to, if I was doing photo shoots, I feel like I would just try to erase my eyebrows and this one would just be higher and I've always noticed this since I was a little kid. Yeah.

And so I don't know when it was, but I think I followed a page in town that does stuff like that and they had posted someone who had evened out theirs and I was like, wait, I should do this. Did you get the thing? It was like, they were having an anniversary sale and it was like, wait, I should do this. Did you get the thing? It was like, they were having like an anniversary sale and it was like $15 for them.

They literally put like two units above my eyebrow and it just like literally relaxed the muscles so now it like, they're just more even. And that was something that like, she got a lot of hate on social media for getting Botox. Wait, really? Which is crazy but it's like, ever since, we've been together for eight years

and it's like the one thing that she's like not liked by herself is just her eyebrow, which is understandable because it was just like uneven. It was kind of strange. If you don't like it, it's fine. And so that's like the one thing that she didn't like. It's not like she's, you know.

Okay. Well, then I went there and like they were having, yeah, they were having like their anniversary sale. And so like me and my friend decided to like get our lips done too. No way. Yeah. It was fun, which I feel like I never thought about doing, but my sister actually got hers done recently and I saw how, I think you think of lip filler

and you think of people that have maybe it overdone or something and it seems fake. Well same with Botox, you go to LA and people, like you said, they can't move their faces. Some people go crazy, but it was one dot, that's all she did. Yeah, literally, yeah. So my sister my sister she had hers on it looked really good And so my friend like decided to go get it done together

And then it hurt the lips do hurt but not as bad like not as bad as like I don't know. Have you gotten like wax before just my eyebrows your eyebrows. I don't know like yeah, if I Hurts like that. It's just like a little like pinch. And like, I think like I was like nervous that it would look like fake, but I feel like they look like, I don't know, they're probably only noticeable to me. Like I feel like it's not something,

I literally did like half a syringe, but I still got comments like, oh my gosh, you're like changing yourself. Why are you changing yourself? It's just cause people hear the key words, right? Let go of Botox and think that she's like a Barbie now, but it's like, dude, you know? I feel like it's not all the same.

Like it's okay. Yeah. But 15 bucks, that's literally all it was above your eyebrow. Well, because people like, when they're trying to like relax wrinkles, they might like put like 20 units in like their forehead. Okay.

And I think it's like usually like on average, like 10 bucks a unit. I think on sale it was like less. So yeah, she only had to put two above my eyebrow just to relax that muscle, just the hair. So it was literally like, yeah, $15. That's all it was. Okay, I have like a squinty eye.

So like, yeah, if there's a way to make my eyeball open up more to where it's not so squinty, can they do that? Can they botox my squinty eye? I don't know, maybe. She was saying that, like, because they did this, this one might start, like, working more. It'll, like, train them to be more even. No way. But there's another thing I didn't know, like, I thought when people got lip filler or, like,

botox, I thought it was, like, permanent but it, like, wears away, like, wears off. It doesn't stay. So, like, I'll have to, like, redo this every, like, four months depending. Everyone's different, like, it metabolizes, like, your lips, lips like can metabolize in your body or something. So like, I feel like people are like, oh, you got your lips done, but like in six months it'll be gone and I'd have to like do it again if I wanted it. Sam, if you got Botox where'd you get it?

Honestly, actually, okay. I have like, I don't know if it's actually TMJ, but I might have TMJ. It pops, oh yeah. Oh really? And I've heard that you can get Botox like in your jaw. Really? To relax it. To relax it.

Huh? I get like your jaw pops when you eat food. Yeah. Same. Dude, let's go get Botox together. Let's do it. It could be Botox buddy. It could be Botox.

You guys are so fake. It's so fake. LA got to you both. LA? That's funny. You guys are just from freaking California. I know, no. I probably, I don't know.

I probably won't though, cause I hate needles. I'm not about to do all that. But if it like worked, I mean, I don't know. Oh bro, we used to get needles in our arms to donate plasma in college to get money. Yeah. To get money.

We were trying, we were poor and trying to get money. I literally did that to get my books one semester. Isn't that crazy? Oh wow. That's why I bought Abby's ring. With your plasma money? I literally did that to get my books one semester With your plasma money, yeah, I almost passed out though my second time so they told me I couldn't donate anymore Yeah, I hate that every time I like can't I think I don't know what made that happen Yeah, so hey, I mean it's gonna use like a drinking straw size I have a permanent scar on my eye from where I donated plasma cuz I gave plasma so many times in college How often did you go?

Sell my body from No, it's actually cool though, cuz they do need that for like some medications and stuff. Exactly. Well, that's why the plasma donation places exist because they need a consistent supply of it to make medicine and then give people plasma that are in the hospital and have- What we should do is donate though, like donate blood and stuff.

Exactly, and not get paid for it. Oh no, last time we went to donate blood, dude, it was the worst day of my life. It was so bad. They like stuck that thing in me. They hit a nerve. They hit a nerve? No! I've never heard of that.

Imagine getting shocked, like hit by lightning in your fingertip, straight from the sky, all the way up, dude, it was crazy. He couldn't move his arm for like a month. I couldn't move it for a month. Literally, if I moved it, like, like, sweep it. Did you shake, like, move?

Oh yeah, and he kept going. Yeah, we looked it up after, and he probably could've like. I probably could've sued them, like actually. Yeah, I guess it's really bad. Because every time, like, for a month. I guess if you say you felt electricity, they're supposed to stop, because that's not a good sign,

but they kept going. It was crazy. They kept going? Yeah, they finished the job. But then, literally for a month after, I could barely move my thumb like a weight and like it Would just shoot like I'm sorry. It would just like shoot through with electricity. It was the worst thing ever. Yeah Yeah, of course the first time I talked him into doing it too. I'm sorry. Yeah, firstly I just hate needles and then that happens to me. I'm like, I'm sorry, but I'm never going back

You talked him into doing it. Yeah, I don't it was like going on They had it at our church. Like they were just, they had like, I don't know. Red Cross, you know? Red Cross come and like do it. And I was like, oh, it'd be fun. Let's do it.

And yeah. So I probably won't be partaking in that. I have PTSD. He had to get his blood drawn for something at the doctor and he was so scared, but it was fine. Yeah, they do a better job. It was fine. It worked.

That was good. That's funny. I also do want wanna say though, I feel like we had, going back to like, I wanted to mention this with like the lifts and like, Oh yeah. Everything. Yeah, yeah.

I feel like, we were getting so many comments like, about like you changing yourself or like being like, a bad example. But like, I just feel like personally, I don't know, I'd rather be open about that on social media because I feel like a lot of people maybe like on the internet like get work get work done or like actual surgery but like don't post about it and I feel like that's almost more harmful if you're not like if you're pretending like

everything's natural and I don't I don't think anyone needs to or should get stuff done but I feel like there's a lot of enhancements people do like just dying your hair like getting your eyebrows done or getting lash extensions like it's all just like an enhancement of like your natural beauty so I feel like I don't know I don't feel like it should be like a taboo that's well said yeah I got my teeth done and I think there were I don't know but I feel like there were a lot of comments being like that's so fake which I mean valid they are fake teeth

They were making the point of like as a As a comment on my personality, I did that I was like no Quite the contrary but yeah, now like well, it's gotta get done. I love my teeth Stand the um, what's the word, the stigma. Because I felt that too. I think it has a lot to do with like how you were raised. Being raised in the Midwest, it's very like shameful, I think, and it's very, like if someone does get something done, it's like, oh my gosh, I'm pretty sure.

Like it's like a secret. Yeah. And it's like, it is shameful, but it shouldn't be. He didn't want me to do it at first either. He was like kind of nervous. Well no, I was just worried cause there are like sometimes, and this is just my personal preference.

I don't care about it. I'm not judging anybody, but like, especially with lips. Oh yeah, when they look too big. There are a lot of people who go like really crazy. And that was like kind of just my perception of just lip filling. I thought, oh, you're gonna get lips and you're gonna look like, you know,

a duck. Daffy duck. Daffy duck. But then, you know, I'm like, oh, you can do whatever you want. you know, it's like. That's sweet. That's sweet. What's next for you guys? What are the plans for this coming year,

in addition to tour and the album? Like, what do you guys have planned? Man, I feel like we're so bad, we don't plan things like that. Well, we're doing tour, that's gonna be big. I feel like those are like the big things. Yeah, I mean, probably I would assume another album because your first album is coming out this year.

I'm sure we'll start like another project after that. Not sure what that'll entail. But yeah, I feel like that is becoming more and more like just like a big thing in our lives is music, which is cool. But like, I think a lot more time goes into it than people maybe like think. Like you write the song

But then you you send notes and they do background vocals I mean, it's all this go does all day like we got back from LA where she wrote like she like 15 sessions What was that a month ago and still just like yesterday? Like it's like a constant communication about those songs that like she wrote a month ago So it's like yeah, it's a full-time. But it's, I mean, it's great, great. But yeah, I don't know. We don't have anything crazy planned other than that. I feel like that's where our focus has been that.

And just doing our day to day social media that we've been doing. So I don't know if that's very exciting, but. Yeah, doesn't sound exciting to us, but it might be exciting, I don't know. Well, thank you guys for coming on the show. Where can people find you, follow you on social media? What's the best place to connect with you all?

Well, thank you for having us, first of all. I know, we're such a fan of you guys and everything you guys are doing. It's our first, oh, we never even mentioned, this is our first podcast. Wait, this is your first podcast? Yeah, ever. We just jumped up at the beginning,

this is our first ever podcast. We nailed it. Did we do good? You guys are awesome. You guys are incredible. Oh, no. Well, thank you for having us. Pretty much just Sam and Jess everywhere

and then Jessica Bio. Jessica Bio. On the music stuff. On the music stuff, yeah. Let's go, let's go. Thank you guys so much for having us and it's been so fun getting to know you guys. It's fun, we might be little podcast people now.

Well, as always, this is where we say Peace Out Dudes to end the episode. Let's do it. Is that cool when you guys are joining us? Yeah. All right, three, two, one. Peace Out Dudes.