The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby - Shawn and Andrew on Their Biggest Fight, Meeting Donald Trump & Winning Gold at the Olympics

Episode Date: June 7, 2023

We went and visited Shawn & Andrew East and had them join us on the podcast from their own podcast studio! We talked about the biggest argument they've had as a couple, Shawn's experience at the Olympics as a 16-year-old, winning a gold medal at the Olympics and her time on Dancing with the Stars and The Apprentice with Donald Trump. Make sure to rate our podcast and leave a review if you can, it really helps us out!

What is that like to win goal at the Olympics? Winning a goal in that was really cool, but it's a tiny moment. The 16 years that took to get there is so much more valuable than like the medal. I got a call from Donald Trump to do the apprentice. What is this? Would you have ever thought being on that show that Donald Trump would one day be president? Like, how trippy is that? It was wild.

This is the single biggest argument. We are relations. What is it? You've never talked about this. Wait, this is actually the biggest argument that you have in your relationship. Let me tell a story to you. Hey, before we get started, if you could please leave our podcast, A review, you can do that on Spotify or an Apple podcast.

It would mean the world to us. It takes literally like 10 seconds. It's super fast and easy and it really helps us out. So thank you so much and now to the episode And welcome back to the unplanned podcast We have some very special guests. Yes, we have Sean Johnson East and Andrew East nice and we're sorry I have you guys here. I can't believe we're in Nashville. This is cool. Welcome to this. This is very exciting. Good to have you.

And I'm like, I was doing some research on you guys. I didn't quite understand like the accomplishments you guys have had in the past, but like, have you done some amazing things? Yeah, you were in the NFL. Okay, Andrew is in the NFL. Sean has multiple gold medals and the Olympics has an accomplished gymnast.

Well, I definitely knew that. I grew up watching her. That's so cool. That's really cool. That's really cool. Thank you. Yeah, you guys are cool people. I just have so many questions. I'm excited to talk to you guys.

This is cool. We literally just came in their house like an hour ago. So this is awesome. It's good to meet you in person. It's fun. I knew from the first time we talked to you guys that we'd get along and here we are. So. I feel like you and Matt have very similar

Energies in fact from behind you guys look a lot like are you guys the same height? Yeah, yeah 6-2 6-2. Hey, that's you are time out on the way here. We're both high difference couples But your guys high differences a little bit more. Yeah, how tall are you 4-11? 4-11 just 6-2. How tall are you? 5-2 Yeah, every 5-2. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we were all so time I feel like you guys are a lot of like to like from what I've gathered It seems like you guys have a lot in common except I'm not a US gold medalist in the Olympics But you okay, I feel like you could have been a gymnast Abby like you're your bill I feel like you have the gymnast bill. I think yeah, thank you. I don't know. What do I see to route instead though?

Yes, well, unsuccessfully, but yes have the gymnast build, I think. Yeah. I don't know. You want to see it around instead though? Yes. Well, unsuccessfully, but yes. Divided by a fisherman. Divided by a fisherman. Yeah, well, I'm just so excited to talk to you guys. How did you guys meet, by the way? Like, I don't know if we've ever talked about that before. We were on your podcast last year, and I'm like, so stoked

that now you're on ours. We met. I went to the 2012 Olympics to work and found myself at a cycling event where I met one of the USA cyclists. His name is Guy East. We were talking. He was explaining the event. He was explaining how it worked.

And at the end of it, he was like, if you take anything away from our conversation, it's that I want you to meet my younger brother. And I was like, okay, this is never gonna happen. We flew back to the US and he had connected us and randomly we went on a blind date. And kind of the rest is history. So I actually had, I was like anti-social media

at this point. It was just domicol. I formed a Twitter account to slide in her DMs. That's his history. What? So I actually had, I was like anti social media at this point. Which is comical. I formed a Twitter account to slide in her DMs and then I got a number and then we arranged this blind date. Yeah. Kind of, it wasn't really blind date, but it was like, you had no idea. It was a blind date in the sense of like, I had never seen you. Yeah.

We'd never FaceTimeed or anything. It was just like, was it a little awkward? Very. I was having the best time of my life, dude. We went just like, I should have a little awkward. Very. I was having the best time of my life, dude. We went out to LA and we ate it like seven different restaurants and I had an entree meal at every single place. I was crushing food because I was in the middle of football season. Yeah.

And I was like cracking jokes left and right. I thought I was hilarious. And Sean didn't even, she was just stonewalling me. Like, didn't get a smile until the very end of the night. I lived by myself in Los Angeles. I didn't trust anybody. I feel like everybody had a motive or an intention. And I just kept trying to figure out what his game was.

Because he was so nerdy and quirky and weird. Thank you. And I was like, what is this? Yeah. And it wasn't until the very end of the night, he did something and I literally had this glimpse of like I think this is actually just him. Yeah.

And it was ridiculous. And I was like, it's not a problem. So you must have this wall up because I'm assuming like being an accomplished gymnast, having all the success at a young age, there are probably people that just wanted to take advantage of you or just wanted to be your friend

because you had one gold medal. It's like, what was that like living in LA? Like you're not from LA? Not from LA, I'm from Des Moines, Iowa. And after the Olympics in 2008, I had then gone on Dancing with a Stars twice. I was back on Dancing with a Stars while I was in LA. And going on like dates was not something I really did.

And if I did go on a date, it was because someone knew someone knew someone and could vouch for them. Yeah. And I hold where you at this point. 20. OK. And I didn't really have that with Andrew. I had met his brother, but I had just met him at the Olympics.

So I didn't know who this guy was. And I didn't have like a team to vouch for him. So I was like, I just don't know what you're about. But it was a lot. Sean's been in the limelight for a long time. She's had like the stalker issues. She's done, I mean, she's been in the game like, since she was 12th.

Yeah. Well, that's a long time. And I don't want to go down the rabbit hole, but you have to think the more you get to know Andrew, he's just quirky and unapologetically himself. And like, he does it. He does it. He does it. He does it. He does it. He does it. He does it. He does it. Everyone smiles. He does it. He does it. He does it. He does it. He does it. He does it. Everyone smiles. He does it. He does it. He does it. He does it. He does it. He does it.

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I'm a college football player and I had met college football players before. There's like a very stereotypical like image that comes at that and he's like, I've never had a drink in my life and I was like, what? I don't trust you. Like I don't understand. So then he like starts to drink and never like gets drunk by the drinks and I'm like, I, this isn't trust you. I don't understand. So then he starts to drink and never gets drunk by the drinks and I'm like, this isn't making sense.

Where you just said that you had never had a drink in your life. You had your first alcohol prevention with her in your first day. But then I did it. So I was watching him drink. It was weird. No, no, no, no. Now knowing Sean, she took this as a challenge

of like, oh, this is your 21st birthday, like, game on. I'm gonna make this a whatever. She was like a challenge for her. So she was ordering drinks throughout the night. Oh, yeah, anyway. So that was her time of drink. And not partaking, but like watching. And then at the end of the night,

in order to drink, you were 20? There was technically four of us, because that sounds sketchy. There's technically four of us. It was me, my girlfriend, who was like, I needed someone to go with me. I couldn't do a solo. Him and his brother that I had met.

Okay. My girlfriend was 25, so she's the one that was like ordering. Okay. Not for me. I wasn't drinking. I was literally in the middle of dancing with stars. I would never have. But like at the end of the night when we were wrapping things up,

I was like trying to be nice because he was like visiting in Los Angeles. Yeah. He didn't have a car anything. And I was like, okay, so can me and Shannon, my girlfriend drive you back to your hotel, like we'll drop you guys off. And I was just trying to be nice. And this is just Andrew, now that I know him.

And he's like, oh, we don't have a place to stay. And I was like, oh, okay don't have a place to stay. And I was like, oh, okay. We're sleeping in our car, that was a plan. Like the normal person would have been like, you could sure, either no, we're good, or you can drop me off somewhere. But he's like, we don't have a place to stay. And then just like period.

And I was like, okay, what are your plans? He's like, we're just gonna sleep in our car. And I was like, how's the game plan? We're simple people. And then I shouldn't have done this, but I felt like pressured to a certain extent. I was like, we have a spare, and it was like, but I couldn't even get the sentence down. I was like, yeah.

Yeah. You would like to sleep in it. I literally was like, I'm gonna get murdered in the middle of the night. No first kiss, but you got it to sleep over the first day. Yeah, that's right, that's right. And he's girlfriend, she stayed with me. We went to the upstairs bedroom and we pushed the dresser

against our door. Because I was so nervous. But you woke up to a palm. I wrote you a palm of thank you. I woke up, you guys cleaned the apartment. You were written a poem on the white board. Anyway. And I was like, I don't understand what's happening.

It's so embarrassing to look at. So you had your first drink on your first date? Yeah. And you spent the night on your first date. That's right. But in the downstairs area, and then she put a dress for the door. Yeah.

Yeah. Very romantic. I'm not really sure. I was not going to agree. That's an amazing first experience. And then it took him nine months to convince me to go on a second date. What?

Where I finally agreed. I flew out to Nashville. I met him in the first 24 hours. I called my mom and I was like, I feel like I'm married this guy. It was adorable. You redeemed yourself. Thank you.

It's been a fun ride. That is a crazy story. Okay. I did not know it was going to be that complex when I asked how you guys were going to show us. And your brother was in the Olympics? He's a, I'm the worst athlete in my field. No, you're not. He's a really good cyclist.

Wow. He was like Lance's right hand. But you know what a velodrome is? Like track cycling? No. You should check this out. It's like a super steep bank. You can get up to 40 plus miles an hour on a bike

just whipping around the sink. So, and yeah. Whoa. Yeah. Whoa. And your brother was just like, yeah, well, just go to LA and sleep in our car. Like that was the, he had your idea or his idea.

It's a decent thing. It's a decent thing. Dude, at this time I was in college, I literally had one outfit that I was wearing. I just like, I had dreadlocks back in the day. I was living it up. No, yeah. We need to picture a view of dreadlocks.

He flew into the LA airport, hopped over, walked into the hampton in next door, and changed in a bush behind the hotel. He gave it to you. And this is your night in China. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

That's cool. Yeah, enough about me. Seriously. Enough of the question. We should talk about your send to the Olympics. I feel like weird. It's so weird. It's so weird. It's so weird. It's so weird. It's so weird. It's so weird.

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It's so weird. It's so weird. It's so weird. It's so weird. It's so weird. I'm not I'm not like super educated on this. Oh the big thing for like people are in the Olympics winning gold medals under 18 And did you win gold under 18 at 16? Yeah, so I started gymnastics when I was three It was just like something my parents put me in to one of the first things you can do as a kid And it's like a padded playground. So they loved it. I loved it fell in love with it and just continued doing it I did a ton of other sports growing up, played soccer, swam, danced, all these things. But as each sport or activity became more and more time consuming, I kind of had to weed things out.

In gymnastics was last man standing. I made the USA team at 12. And started traveling internationally and went professional at 12. Made the Iowa. In Iowa? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Yep.

We would all go down to Houston. That's where the team was based out of. But I would train in Iowa and train in Houston for a week every month to reunify with the team. Made the Olympic team at 16. Went to Beijing Olympics in one four medals. That was incredible. Yeah.

It was amazing. Holy crap. So no one else in your family had done anything like this? No, my parents were athletic. They did tennis sports, but yeah, that was out of the norm. What? Okay, your parents must have had to have so much commitment to get you to all these practices and the training.

Like, was your mom just like traveling with you all over the country? Like, how did this work? They never missed a single competition. And blue collar, Midwest, took out three mortgages, like worked multiple jobs. They were like the opposite of stage parents. Every single day I came home from a five hour practice. They'd be like, are you really sure you want to go back tomorrow?

Like we're fine if you want to quit. Like please quit. Wow. They really wanted me to be just like a normal kid that was at home. Yeah. And every day I would just beg to go back. You're just naturally very driven person.

I don't even know if it was that. I just, I loved it so much. I was such a self-conscious like timid kid, shy kid. And the only time I felt powerful, I felt like I had confidence was in a gymnastics gym. Like, it made me feel like I could fly. It made me feel superhuman and I loved that. Did you like the competition of seeing how far you could push yourself and how much you

could accomplish if you kept working and working? Yes, I loved training more than competition. Competition, like the nerves and stuff was always fun and exhilarating but not what I lived for. I lived for the challenge in practice every day of trying a death-defying skill. And getting that for the first time is like an adrenaline rush.

You can never replace. You had some crazy injuries throughout this process. I was very, very lucky. I had one of the world's best, I think he's the world's best coach who was the most cautious, most amazing coach ever. And in gymnastics, I had a couple of small sprains, but that's it. Wow.

That's pretty incredible. Yeah. When you see what these gymnasts are doing, it was like, you could break everything. Yep. And 12 is at a typical age for kids to get on the Olympic team. Um, 12 for the Olympic team now. I made the USA team, which is like the national team. Okay. So you can't qualify, which is like the national team.

Okay. So you can't qualify to the Olympics until you're 16. Okay. But making the team at 12 is fairly young. I'd say in gymnastics around 13, 14 is usually normal. Okay. It's because of like the way my birthday fell. It's kind of like if your kid is a young kid in class or an old kid in class, by cut off of age limits, I was just a young kid. Yeah. So it was a little early, but kind of normal for gymnastics. I can't imagine what it's like to attempt like one of those tricks.

Is that what they're even called? Like for the first time? Yes, people always say this, but to explain it a little differently is, you're not walking into the gym and your coach is like, let's try a triple twisting double back today. You, it takes years, in years and years and years, to try one thing. So like, you would walk into the gym tomorrow and I would teach you how to walk in a straight line,

basically. And then you would progress that to like walking sideways. And then you would walk and spin. Like every single day is a tiny little progression. So by the time you're throwing a death-defying skill, it's still exhilarating, because like you're doing it for the first time. But you've done these little progressive movements

over the course of months years that you've like developed, that it's not quite as scary as people think, but it's just fun. That being said, I would love to take you to the gym tomorrow and see a triple twisting double backflip. I would like to try it. I think you had a one day, Matt,

I'm gonna learn how to do a backflip. No, actually, I learned how to do one last year backflip. It's so much fun. Good for you. I haven't done it in the year though, so we should try it after that. Well, you crashed and burned multiple times,

and then you just did. Wow. What is that like to win goal at the Olympics? Does it feel like a long time ago? It doesn't feel like that. It feels like someone else and it feels like yesterday. Now that I'm mom and I'm in a different role, it's hard to believe.

Like we have our 15 year reunion this year and I'm like, wait, I forgot I did that. For me, it was such a, it was just a passion. And so the medal that was so incredibly fulfilling to his own extent, the experience was so much better. Like the 16 years that it took to get there is so much more valuable than like the medal. Yeah.

Because like Winnieglen medal is really cool but it's a tiny moment. Was there ever a moment afterward where you're like, oh, like, I did it. Like, was there ever an identity crisis of, I freaking won a gold medal now, what do I do? Yes. And it's very hard. And a lot of athletes really struggle with it.

Um, I feel like Andrew went through it too after the NFL. I every single decision I made for probably a solid six years, probably 10 to like 16. Every single decision I made on a daily basis revolved around gymnastics. How I ate, what time I went to bed, how I scheduled my social life, like everything about who I was as a person was revolving around gymnastics and the goal of making it to the Olympics. And so as soon as I was at the Olympics and I had the medal and it was done,

I didn't know how to operate as human being. I didn't know how to eat. Like I literally didn't know how to sit down and eat a meal because I was like, wait, I no longer have to eat a salad with chicken and quinoa and like all these things. Can I actually go eat that brownie? And that'd be my whole dinner?

Like it was very confusing. I didn't know what time to wake up in the morning. I'd never been in like a fitness gym before. I'd only ever been in gymnastics gym. I didn't know like how to work out. I didn't have a coach telling me how to like be a person. And were you still attending high school like a regular kid at this time?

How did that work? So I did public school all the way through my junior year. My junior year was the Olympics. I couldn't go back for my senior year just because of the chaos that kind of came with. It's high school kids didn't really know how to be chill. Were they mean or were they like to like, whoa, it's like it's John Johnson. She's the gold medalist Like how how do they perceive all that? I

Going back to when I was saying like I was very shy because I went to public school. Nobody knew I was a gymnast Like I was very shy to share that yeah, so at school. I was just a normal kid I was like like compared myself to like Hannah Montana I was like people don't know at all what I'm doing on, like, the side. Um, just a way worse singer. Way worse. No, no. Um, and so when the Olympics happened in all the no-doriety that came after that, I tried

to go back to school and it just became such a distraction for a lot of people. And I don't say that to like hype myself up at all It was just wild and so I ended up having to tutor my last year to finish Wow, was that upsetting or you kind of show with the whole tutoring thing and not having it? Oh, it was actually really upsetting for me. I love school. I was a school nerd. Yeah, so yeah Not being able to like walk through graduation and stuff was like devastating to me But it's okay. That's so sad. So then how do you know? Did you have like a graduation ceremony at home? No, I got my GED. Wait, what?

Which that was oh, yeah. You've never talked about this. We don't ever have to talk about that. We don't ever have to talk about that. This is the single biggest argument. We are relations. What is it? What is it? I can't even say no. I'll let you tell a story because I don don't, you've never talked about this. Oh, how can I make this like a two minute? Wait, this is actually the biggest argument that you have in your relationship? Yes.

I'll let me tell a story shortly. All right, so Sean had always said, like I wanna get a high school diploma. Like she loves education. She enrolled at Vanderbilt. She enrolled at Penn State and like was trying to get her college degree, but she was like, I still am finished, high school. Wait, no, there's an asterisk there. I finished high school. Are you telling stories? No, because we're missing this is I'm very stubborn right? I'm sorry. I'm sorry

So after the Olympics I came back couldn't go back to high school enrolled in a tutoring program finished high school and at the end of this tutoring program They're like do you want to buy a diploma and I was like what is the point like it's not it's not my high school diploma I'm not walking through graduation and I was like as long as I don't need like the piece paper. I'm good Yeah, so like I literally finished high school at this time. I was enrolled at Stanford University What and that's so cool after the Olympics and because there's everything that happened I kept deferring because I was working and doing my good different route. I deferred long enough and met Andrew

that I then wanted to go to Vanderbilt, because I was following him. So I went to a plight of Vanderbilt and they're like, we need your high school diploma. And I was like, oh, I don't have one, but I finished high school through this program. They said, okay, just like send your records from the program.

I call the program and they have ceased to exist. They shut down. They have deleted. And hurt every record. You're like, I'm not gonna believe this. Yeah. So you literally don't have any proof of finishing high school.

No, so by paperwork, I was a junior in high school. And I was such a nerd in school that this like rocked my world because Vanderbilt University was like, you need to go get your GED and I was like, never in a million years, well I go get my GED. Which I, yeah. Because I like, in my mind I was like,

I am an A plus student, I have a 4.2, like, no, I'm not gonna go get my GED. I was just being stubborn. So anyway, she just telling me all this and I'm like all right sweet let's sign you up for the GD we put it on the schedule they comes around she's like I don't want to do it so then I'm like all right I'm gonna reschedule this and you look me in the eyes and tell me that you're gonna do this we're like we're like a you're never steady and she says I'm gonna do it so then

two months goes by day of the test comes, we had to drive an hour south to Huntsville. I woke you up at like 4 a.m. I'm like, Sean, we're gonna get our GED. That's like, I haven't studied, I'm not going. I'm not going. And I was like, you're going. Because I know you.

So it was this, I literally drug her out the door. Yeah, you basically threw me over her shoulder. Put her in the car and she didn't talk to me for the entire trip, didn't talk to me for the whole time we were down in Huntsville until we got a test results and she passed. I was so mad at you. I came out of the building.

I hadn't studied for it because I was being so stubborn. And I was like, I'm gonna go freaking fail this GED. I'm gonna feel it. And I literally walk out and he has the biggest smirk on his face and I was so mad at you. And he's like, should we like log into your account and see if your results are in? I was like, there's no way the results are in, already.

And I hadn't known that he had hacked my profile. And he had already like looked at the results. And I had so bad. Evident's definitely because it's all online. You're doing ABCD, whatever. And he's like, well, here. And he hands me the phone and it shows the passing. And I was like, I could kill you right now. But guess what, you're really glad

that I made you do that. I'm sweating, thinking about this. We were so fast out there. Sean Johnson never graduated high school. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's crazy. Could you go to Vanderbilt after that?

Oh gosh. So I got into Vandy. Okay. It was like a week before I was supposed to start. I got a call from Donald Trump to do the apprentice. What? I feel like your life is worth. What? Yeah. This is like a movie, you guys I feel like your life is over. What?

Yeah. This is like a movie, you guys. This is literally like a movie. You're telling me you answered the phone and it's Donald Trump. Literally Donald Trump is on the phone. Like, I want you to be on my TV show. Yes. That is crazy.

What is the apprentice, by the way? I don't even... So, the apprentice is a reality TV show where think of like dancing with a star. How it's a competition. You have always celebrities celebrities competing but it's an entrepreneur type show so you go and you like start businesses and you're competing for like a business title okay and it's led by Donald Trump like have you heard like that you're fired yes I've heard of the apprentice I just had no clue what it was that's like when I first heard of Trump I was like I was like, oh, that's that one TV show guy. Yeah, so he literally called me.

It was weird. It was weird. And at that time, this was pre-COVID. Wow, it's, yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead. At this time it was pre-COVID, so Vandy didn't have any virtual programs. Zero, really. At all.

And they said, you either have to be in class on campus or you have to transfer. So I ended up transferring to the only virtual campus at the time, which was Penn State, and did the Apprentice and set. And this is back in 2000, what? 14, I think. And then that season aired 2015.

It was the last season of the apprentice. Yeah, that's crazy. What was that like? I didn't even know that. I was like, would of the apprentice. That's crazy. What was that like? I didn't even know that one. Like, would you have ever thought, being on that show that Donald Trump would one day be president? Like, how trippy is that?

It was wild. It was wild. It was a lot of fun. It was definitely the most truly reality TV show vibe that I had ever been in. So they wanted drama, they wanted tension, they wanted manipulation and stuff. And I think coming from the athletic world,

there isn't any of that. So that was really hard for me. But I loved the challenge of like going into the business world, which is cool. That's really scary about reality TV. Like somebody else controlling the narrative, they can just make you look like a villain, just for you to use.

And they can make you say anything. Right? Because they have so much footage of you And they can make you say anything. Right? Because they have so much footage of you. It's so cool. They can take whatever and package it up, right? Or they can even. We would sit in a chair like this for hours and just do interviews.

And then you would watch it back and you'd be like, I never said that sentence. Wait, wait, what? Yeah, it's wild. What's that called? There's some sort of technique to it, right? Where they take your words and like, piece them together to make you say something.

That's scary. Because you sign like your life way effectively right when you when you sign that paper for the reality TV show. Yeah. Crazy. That's crazy. It was on so many crazy things. I know you have too. Yeah. So talk about the NFL. Yeah, the NFL. It was fun. Yeah. My list of accomplishments is much shorter than Sean's but actually my favorite thing she ever did was whose line is it anyway. That was fun. Do list of accomplishments is much shorter than Sean's, but actually my favorite thing she ever did was whose line is it anyway? Do you remember the show? Yes, that was my favorite show. How many shows have you done? A lot. Do you like doing shows? Yeah, there have been some that I liked more than others, but is there a show that you haven't done

that you want to do right now? We want to do the amazing race. So do we. So do we. So do we. What does that be such a blast? We have a lot. We should compete. You guys would win. Yeah. We compete.

We compete against you guys. I'm loose. I think you guys would have, I think they would say the same thing. What I love about what we do now is I feel like it would be so bad for my ego if it was just the Andrew show. But what's fun is like I always thought when I made it to NFL, the it would be so bad for my ego if it was just the Andrew show. But what's fun is like, I always thought when I made it to NFL, the people would be like,

sweet, this guy's an NFL player, you'll be ill. I made it to NFL and there's like, oh, you're Mr. Sean Johnson, right? And I was like, yeah, initially I'm like, I'm like, dang. But honestly, it's been such a blessing. It's been so good. Otherwise, I'd probably have a massive head.

So. Do you guys ever get competitive in your marriage This is your both competitive people. Oh you do everything. Yeah, it's kind of a fun thing It used to probably be unhealthy to some degree, but now it's fun before kids when all we had was like energy towards each other We were competitive with everything Everything now it's definitely died down because of the kids, but yes Fun we're not why aren't't we competitive no, I'm competitive if you're not Like every night after dinner we would go outside and play like cornhole or ping pong or something

Oh, yeah, but we would end up playing for hours because it'd be like rematches of like, no, no, no, no. She won that one, I will win this one. And then it would end up being like best out of 20 or it was what? You never did sports? No. I'm not a kid. And you're like, that's hilarious because you're an NFL athlete in an Olympian, so it's like, of course you guys are going to really butt in and try to compete against each other.

That's hilarious. Yeah, I heard his words. Yeah. But the NFL, so, like, how does that work exactly? Like, did you, did you get drafted out of college? Did you go, is it called being a free agent? Yeah. And, uh, just sending it on your own.

How did, how did all that work? Yeah, so I went, I played football Vanderbilt, which is how that whole exchange happened. I went to business school there. I was like in my MBA. He's very smart. And then I get a call and like, I don't know how they came up with this ranking because my position,

which was a long snapper, it's not like a quarterback where it's like, wow, his past completion rate was really high or he had a lot of rushing yards. It's like, you know, he was kind of accurate. It's hard to quantify. Very niche. Yeah. My brother actually was a long snapper.

What? Oh, my old brother, his freshman year of college was a long snapper for Missouri S&T and Ronald Missouri. For my mom went to school, my grandpa went to school there, and my mom was so pumped that he was like continuing on the family legacy and going to school there and then he transferred to be at Mizu with his girlfriend. And stopped football. But yeah, when you said long snap,

I was like, that's dope. I know that. So you know a little about it. It's like, it's hard to rank, right? But they had me ranked as like the number one long snaper in my class. So I was getting calls from my to patriots and coaches were coming to visit.

It felt like a dream was coming true. And I was being told that I was going to be drafted. Draft day comes and goes and no one picked me up. I didn't get any calls. So then I go on the free agency circuit, which essentially like I get offers from different teams. Patriots say, hey, we'll pay you $5,000 to come try out with us Like sign with us and see how far you make it and the chiefs the chiefs was the most compelling situation so that's who I first signed with out of free agency and

Pretty much the job was mine, dude I it was just like don't mess it up Andrew and you'll be here for 15 years because long snappers play a long time Wow, and then I fell the turnovers very low But they had a opening and I showed up, and I just had like this crazy, like mental, block where I couldn't do what I'd done for the last 15 years. Like I was terrible at long-saving when I showed up

in Kansas City. And it was crazy because this was right when Sean and I were about to get engaged. We're having all these conversations. I had a signing bonus, right? And I spent every dime of that signing bonus on her engagement ring. Little did I know about taxes or any of this stuff.

So, and then I got cut out everything. I got cut and I had signed a three year, like just shy of $1.5 million contract and I was like, sick, I didn't know how the thing worked, like all the stipulations. So I got cut after three months and like, not that much money. And so then we're like, I'm like, in the red, I have negative dollars in my bank account because I just purchased this ring

and I had to pay taxes. It is like this crazy, stressful situation. Oh, wait, how much does this ring? Wait, wait, one more minute. No, it wasn't $1.5 million ring. No, no, no, no, no, no. That's what I'm saying. I didn't, the NFL contracts are not guaranteeing. No, it wasn't. $1.5 million ring. No, no, no, no, no, no. That's what I'm saying. I didn't, the NFL contracts are not guaranteeing.

No. Okay, really, in my position, right? So, I, yeah, it was supposed to be three years, $1.5 million. I got three months and like, not even a percentage of that. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy, but.

That's ultimately what forced me to figure out something else in life, which I signed up to be an Uber driver. I sat on the couch for like two months at home, and then we signed up, like I started. Is NBA for Manor Village? What do you mean you signed up to be an Uber driver? I was like, bitch. Yeah, we're getting mad.

So you were like, and I didn't even crisis in a way. You were like, what am I, what should I do? Cause like, I'm assuming you worked your whole life at football, and then it didn't work out. Yes. And you're like, frick, what's next? It was crazy. Not a good time.

It's funny you say that, because I've never been officially diagnosed, but I get like social anxiety and I'll get anxiety for different things, but the way that you said, you almost like, I guess, panicked in a way with that whole tryout with the chiefs. Like there's been times, even as I got deeper into theater, like I cared about it so much, I wanted to be like so, so good and I put so much pressure on myself that I'd get like really, really nervous because I just had all this pressure there and I really wanted to succeed and it seems like that's what you wanted. It seems like you've really wanted it and that almost like was what kept you from doing

what you wanted, it seems like you really wanted it. And that almost like was, man, what kept you from doing what you wanted. It's crazy. Here's what I love about marriage and parenting is the parallel lessons that it teaches you. The carry over lessons that it teaches you about other parts of life, right? And so, with parenting, you watch Griffin crawl around and you're like, you're so stressed,

but you know it's probably better to just let him figure things out, right? You want to be close-fisted, like really control-oriented, but it's probably healthier to have like a little, like, open-handed mindset, if you will, if you're tracking me. And then in a fell, dude, I went from like, oh, I love football and college out of blast, dude. I was like just loving it. And then it was like stressed. And I was like, I have to make this work. I need to make this work.

I don't have any other job lined up, like this is my only money. And it was just like this really, I like clunched down. And it was, so Andy Reed is a coach there. Yeah. We would have these team meetings with like 100 players in the room.

All the coaches, he would walk in. Everyone's quiet. I've never experienced it in my life. And I rarely cussed, but I would have, I would literally have to bite my tongue to prevent myself from yelling out the F word. It was like this crazy impulse. Really?

I was like, what the heck? I felt that before too. You think it looks some crazy thought? Like something that's just like not you, it's not you, and you're like, why am I thinking that right now? Then you can't get it out. Yes, like you can't. I couldn't move past it.

So anyway, it was like this really, I'm really glad right now. Yeah, I'm getting it out. Yeah, like you can't, I couldn't move past it. So anyway, it was like this really, I'm really glad I went through it. It was very painful in the moment. Like, I was crying when I got released. I just felt like there's no self worth, but now it's just like, okay, that put me on a different path. And as long as I keep chugging along,

like it's gonna be okay. Things are gonna work out. So yeah. 100% yeah, that's crazy. okay. Things are gonna work out. So, yeah. 100%. Yeah. That's crazy. Thanks for being vulnerable and sharing that. I'm also curious if you don't mind me asking.

I was looking, I was doing some snooping at, like you're, just what's on the internet about you, honestly, and it showed a bunch of different teams. It was like the Kansas City Chiefs, and then it showed the Washington Red Skins, or whatever. They used to be called, not though the Washington Commanders.

But yeah, it showed all these foreign teams, and what did something happen, I guess, after the Chiefs, where you were like, trying things out with different teams, and it didn't work, or how did that, what they did. I was really fortunate to be like, I kept getting signed.

So I was like signing contracts, and each one was like three years, one and a half million dollars, whatever. Yeah. But like I said, it's not guaranteed. So I was good enough to not just get tryouts, not just get calls. I was like literally signing with teams

and I end up signing nine contracts with seven different professional teams. Well, but I kept getting released. So like camp comes around, you've heard of hard knocks probably. Thanks. So it's like, it's all about making an FL team. And so they'll sign like 90 guys to a roster.

So 90 guys will get a contract. Okay. And then they'll have to whittle it down in August and September to 53 is what each team has to walk into the season with. And I would always get cut. So they basically like rip up 37 contracts every year. Yeah, you still got that money though, right?

No, nothing. You don't get anything. They pay you like a couple hundred dollars a week to do the workouts, but it's like, it's not, and you have to, yeah, it's, it was time. You just put all your eggs in that bracket too. Yeah, there's not wrong. That's not so wrong to like, just, here's a couple hundred bucks. Thanks for like giving up your whole life to try to make it on our team.

I mean, it's like, it's an opportunity. It's a window that you have for a very small amount of time. Some people are able to like, you know, have a longer runway and keep trying. So I ended up because of what we got into with like YouTube, I was able to keep trying for the NFL for five years. I don't know, it was making videos about like getting signed and getting cut. That was what our content was about. And then after five years, I finally signed with the team and played in my first regular season game. That's it. It was always my goal. And so it worked out. It was fun. Which team was that? That was with Washington. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. I was out there with like Adrian Peterson and Vernon Davis. And I was like, Oh my gosh. Are you serious? Okay. I just have to ask because when you look at

a football team, bro, like everyone is huge. Everyone's massive. I don't know if you've been next to like JJ Wat, but these guys are like, huge dudes. Yeah. And you're obviously, you're a big, like you're very fit. You're a big dude.

But like being out there with like dudes that are like, almost seven feet tall, like 300 pounds, like just, you know, no fat, all muscle. Was that like terrifying? Like I hope they don't tackle me. I don't know. I got used to it like after a while. Cause like you're doing it in college and the pros.

But I'll never forget my first play was against this guy, Kalei's Campbell. And this dude, look him up. He's like six foot, five or six, 300 and something pounds. And he runs like a four, four, six, 40. He's like a three dude. And I go out there, he's line up against me. And I'm like, four four six 40s like a crazy and I go out there He's lined up against me and I'm like I have to block you

So I was like I'll just give him my best and they worked out all right But it's just wow there's some good athletes and then I fell wow, that's cool. I'm not one But yeah, yes you know Making that far is like incredibly impressive. Yeah, what is that fun? Right? Yeah You guys go from these like crazy athletic careers And now you're in full blown mom and dad life. Hmm the best face. It is the best you have a sweet little girl How old three three and then a little boy that's almost two? Yeah, I'm too in July. Yeah, too in July

Which grid will we want them so do you ever feel like you want a little gymnast and a little football player? It's not up to us. What made both of us like, phone love with our sports was the fact that like, we found it and we loved it so much. So I truly feel like, and we talked about this a lot.

It's our job now as parents having experienced that to try and give our kids every opportunity to find their thing. That's cool. I could care less of its gymnastics. I lived that life for so long. I'm ready to put that behind me if nobody ever wants to like watch a single gymnastics competition for the rest of my life, I'll be happy. If that's what they choose though, I'll be the number one fan.

That's a really unhealthy idea. I feel like perspective on it. It also scares us. We've talked about this a lot. If they choose gymnastics or football, because they feel like they'll have unfair expectations put on them to be good at it. Where no kid should have that expectation put on them. They should be able to be miserably horrible at something.

Yeah. Youth sports are crazy. So like, gymnastics specifically, I feel like. Sean wins a gold medal in the Olympics, right? And her gyms in Des Moines, Iowa, like there's not a lot of gymnast training there at a high level, right? Yeah.

She wins this and everyone's like, oh, we need to train on her Sean's coach. So people move across the country to put their 12-year-old in in the same program as Sean was because it's like that's crazy but it's like pretty people put a lot of stress on their little kids to try to get a college scholarship or go pro and it's like whoa that's crazy that's not right yeah yeah the greatest thing you can do for a kid in athletics I think or in any hobby or sport or thing

that they like fall in with, is try to grow their passion. It has nothing to do with you. The thing that I see in parents a lot is parents desperately want their kids to succeed. So they're like, if I can find you a better coach, if I can get you better time, if I can find a better gym, find a better opportunity, and that has nothing to do with it. As a parent, you have to allow your kid to fall in love with something. And you have to let it be their choice.

It's like that same desperation mindset. Like, you're saying saying it's like, whoa, don't force it, man. Don't. Yeah. It's okay. You know, well, she's three now. Is she in gymnastics class? She is. She loves it. She loves it.

I was so terrified, especially with our first, to let her kind of do her first thing by herself. I was terrified to put her in the hands of someone else, just like everything. Yeah, because you could have been her coach, right? Oh, never. I will never coach my kids. I always want to be mom, but we have that there's this gymnastics gym in Nashville that we love, and we're really close with the owners. Gennasex Jim in Nashville that we love and we're really close with the owners and I just knew that they would take care of her and So we kind of started her there as our first activity and yes, it was gymnastics, but she loves it She has a blast there. She gets to go be a kid and play around

She does that soccer about lay. Yeah, I feel like they have to be such athletic. Okay, I mean we weren't talking earlier about them walking at like eight months. Yeah Athletes it's stressful to be honest having a little a month old tearing up your house Our little boy jet. Oh, I can't wait to see what he turns into. Yeah, and how do you guys navigate that to like doing social media? How do you navigate being parents and also being online and like navigating what you show, what you don't show? Talk to me about that. It's a day by day decision. We've kind of put in place some boundaries throughout the years of like what we're comfortable

with and not. Everything has to be from a parent's perspective. It can't be about our kids. So our kids can't be like the forefront of our stuff. If they say tomorrow that they don't want to be on social media at all, then our social media should be able to still be standing, if that makes sense. We put a lot of thought into it. And fortunately, Sean always cute.

I'm probably like the type to over share. Sean keeps me in check in that way. But I always, like my dad filmed everything. He was at every football game filming every game. I'm used to like making these home videos and having someone there filming. It's almost like an instinct that I feel like I have. But what's fun is like, what we consider

what we do is creating shareable home videos. It's not like a scripted reality type thing. It's like just home videos. And what's nice is you were talking about reality TV and they can twist a narrative. Sean, like could, we went to Disney World for the first time recently, right? And there's articles written about it. Sean goes to Disney.

Anything she does, headlines pick it up. Someone's gonna make the narrative, right? I would prefer us to have some say in that. I don't want that to be someone else's job. It's like, hey, we can kind of shelter or decide, that, you know, I don't want that to be someone else's job. It's like, hey, well, let's, we can kind of shelter or like decide, well, let's totally, let's go this direction. Is that part of your like decision process and choosing to go on social media in the first place?

Or did you already have, you probably already had a social media. I had a little bit, I had worked in press for so long that kind of I understood it But we didn't I didn't have social media during my Olympics at all, which was great You had one of the first Twitter account Sean had at one point like maybe you had like the top 10 follower count on Twitter And people were like Sean has 99,000 followers on Twitter back when he's young obviously It was Twitter partnered it was Twitter launch while we were on Dancing With The Stars. And Twitter beta tested a bunch of stuff with the whole cast of Dancing.

So we had it. Yeah, which we should talk about. Yeah, we need to talk to the TV with the stars. That's so cool. Two times. Yes. What's funny? What's the two best dancers?

There's the best. There's the best. Yeah, I was texting Andrew. I was like, hey, man, I just like saw you guys on TV on it on the stars. And then I felt like an idiot later. I looked it up and like, oh Sean, like did you, you won? You won dancing with the stars. What was it twice or once or?

One and came in second. Okay, incredible. Is it a blast? It's the best. It looks so fun. I mean, we both love dancing. So it just like, it looks like so much fun.

Everyone there is so nice and they want you to succeed. It's not that, like, conniving, manipulative, cut-throat show. They truly want to, like, help you do your best. So it's a lot of fun. And both my partners were like big brothers to me. So it was great. That's so cool.

That's so cool. Would you do it if you got invited? Oh, 1,000%. I would kill it. Have you such a good show? such a no I wouldn't I feel so out of it Especially now I'm like pregnant. I can't even walk right like how I'm out I'd dance But I would have so much fun But I wouldn't get nervous I'd forget the dance because you guys learned them just that week You learn it like two days before you perform it and I

Never felt that I felt it once There was one week where we were backstage getting ready to walk on, and we were going to the motions, and I just blanked. Yeah, that's happened to me before. I forgot a whole dance, and it was so low. And I think, I was since then, I got a little bit like. Abby was telling me,

Derek Cuff was one of your partners, and then the other guy was Mark. Ballast. Barc Ballast. And he was the guy that he just recently won with Charlie and Melio. That's so cool. That's really cool. And their brothers.

Wait, what? No, you had to wait, what? Pretty much. They grew up in the same house. Yes, their whole life. They call each other brothers. That's dope. I didn't even know that actually.

And I'm such a fan of dancing with the stars, I really am. Yeah, they're awesome. Cute. My mom used to have that show. And I'm such a fan of Dancing With The Stars, I really am. Yeah, they're awesome. Cute. My mom used to have that show on when I was a kid. And it was that show in the Bachelor. Those were like the two shows you'd always watch. We'd always watch it and then go to Dance that we can do a recap of Dancing With The Stars.

But we thought of the choreography and everything. I remember asking my mom one time, it's like, are all these people married that are dancing with each other? Because some of the costumes were a little like, I don't know. I was like, wow, and then she's like, no, Matt, they're not married. Yeah.

Yeah. They're married. They're actually, I was like, in your soul. Oh, because it was like saucy? Yeah. So the salsa. Shawn was on the show the second time when we started dating, and I'll never forget, like, it was a big thing with my mom who's not in the book, guys,

she's not like into the vibe at all. And she was like, she like sent me articles because there's a bunch of tabloids about like, Sean and Mark out to dinner together. Are they kidding? And it's like, it's like, anyway, it's funny. But. That's sweet, that's not true.

This is like really backtracking, but I was, I'm just curious, with the Olympics, do you have any like affiliation with them anymore, like any contact with the Olympics. Yeah, so I still go to almost, we go to almost every single one. I work as like color commentator, like a color commentator, or a lifestyle commentator, but we still go, I still go to the national championships, the Olympic trials, and I know everybody really, really well. What's something about about the Olympics that people

don't know about? Something unique that maybe you haven't shared before, or is there something like that that people just aren't aware of when it comes to the Olympics or being a young athlete? Um. Why do you think of it? I have another story that my mom sent me, I think.

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So fun fact. All right, back to the episode. We love you guys. Every Olympics, there's always news on the Olympic Village and like what goes down in the Olympic Village. And so come across this article of this, like, how many condoms are used in the Olympic Village? And it's like tens of thousands, right? And literally, it was like Sean's name. I was six months. I was a minor. Are you kidding me?

And like a cyclist name who like we know are like some of the two only athletes mentioned in the article. And they just put one. We got it nowhere. They just pull these names literally out of nowhere. He is being ran the story. Well, what? Because you had some story about you like you kissing on the balcony or something like.

I don't even know what I know. No. Taylor Finney was, he lived in the apartment above me at the Olympic Village. And we ended up having like a 16 year old dating life after the Olympics for maybe a week, like maybe. It was like a crock. He's like a constant or a snicker.

And he would throw us up stickers. That's romance. They ran that story along with this like, a condom. Yes. And I this like, Skitt, yes. And I was like, are you kidding me? You're also writing this about a minor. Yeah. It was so, I hate that.

What we all said to that. It's funny you mentioned that though, because I wanna say my brother shared that article or mentioned that article like back when we were kids, he was like, dude, did you know about like what we saw in the movie? Wait, I didn't know about this. Yes, I like, it's all the same.

To this, we were 16 years old. We had armed guards outside of our door. Dude, did you know about like what we're going to be doing? Wait, why you knew about this? Yes, I was a thing. It's always a thing. To this, we were 16 years old. We had arm guards outside of our door. Whoa. Because we were minors living in a village with thousands of adults. Yeah. We were never allowed to leave our room.

Unless we had an arm guard with us. What? We only traveled, yes. What? You have to think, you have minor girls. Yeah. We tend to be the most targeted since we're the youngest. There's all these things, so security measures.

You take, yeah, I don't know that world at all. I stayed in my room and we watched Harry Potter. Wow. Yeah. Which country was this in? Or countries that it was in China? It was in Beijing. That's cool.

And how many golds did you win, by the way? What? That's the one gold three silver. Okay, really, really cool. They say like the Olympic Village and then like nursing homes are. Okay, we were actually at first that. No, no, I was at the age.

I was at the age. Yeah, you didn't know this? Yeah. You think about like the Olympic Village, people in the best shape of their lives, you know letting it live and then nursing home Nothing to lose. Let's just And they probably I mean that's pretty sad. They're part of anymore. They were all the like nurses that live there. Oh yeah

Part of it. No, I don't even know how that logistically. No Okay, moving right along. Sorry, I'm sorry. Max, we're back to the script. Yeah, we're, we're, yeah. We're, we, I don't know our script right now. We got a little, I don't know our script. We got really off.

Hey, this is the unplanned podcast. You know, anything, anything can happen. Any topic of conversation can come up. This is fun. It's cool. What, what I love about what you guys do is, man, there's a lot of like Permisky with content like you know no short bikini pics all over the internet people talking about gambling and

Like swearing, but I feel like this family niche. It's like also in high demand as this is the other stuff But I think way more important, you know, it's like this is just talking about marriage and parenting It's like this is the best part of life, man. Shawn's one on Olympic gold medal, still on top of the podium. And I think you would say that you being a mom has been way more important and way more fulfilling. So the more of this type of content, the better. So kudos to you.

Yeah, I will say also like the incredible things you guys have done, like two of the most humble people I've ever been, because I'm like learning all these things just so casually. And like you don't even want to say it, you're like it's not, it's like an incredible thing. And then you know, you meet some people that, I don't know, if they're going to be flexing accomplishments or money or anything like that, then it just makes you question a little bit. No, just makes me want to like, I don't know, when I meet people like you guys who have accomplished so much and aren't like trying to flex all the time, like I just want to root

for you and I just want to like, I just want to like brag for you because like they've done all this and I want to just, I want to be the one, you know, bragging about them, because they're not bragging about themselves and I don't know, I just, it's not, I don't like people when they're, when they just like, I don't know, always, always trying to flex and always trying to be like that, but I just love how you guys are so humble. So thank you. Thank you. So neither one of you are from Nashville,

but now you're in Nashville. What brought you here? Vanderbilt. Oh, okay. That's right. It makes a lot of sense now. And. All right, so Shawn was roasting me in our dating story.

And yeah, it's, first of all, look it back on like dating stories. And yeah, first of all, looking back on dating stories, always it's kind of a painful experience, but to toss it back at you, babe. We started dating and Shawn was like, yeah. She had already lived like a full career at that point. And was like, hey, I'm gonna move to Nashville.

This is two months after we had met. Yep. And she was like, I'm gonna move to Nashville. I was like, are you coming for me? And would you say that you came for me? Is that three? A hundred percent. I was like, are you coming for me? And would you say that you came for me? Is that three? 100%. I was like, don't come for me.

I got college and stuff to worry about. You freaked out. So anyway, she's the reason we stayed here. We love it here. And yeah, I'd probably moved away if it wasn't for you. It's okay, we were in high school and we decided we were gonna get married one month in the dating.

So that's great. And we're like, we're gonna go to college together get married during college and you did every day Yeah, we got married at 20 and 21 and how how old were you guys? You got married? 24 23 24 Yeah, so what's the future for the East fam? Raising our babies sweet I love that. Being their biggest fans, biggest cheerleaders.

It's so fun. The furlores, you guys have married what, like, four years, five? Before years. In July. Yeah. That's awesome. Every year that goes by, it gets better and better. It's like, gosh.

It's really fun to look back on the past couple of years of the stuff we've done, the memories we've made. And it's like, I think of like when Picasso paints a picture, it's like he paints a million brushstrokes, right? And some of those are probably mistakes. Like he probably made errors along the way, but like, and we have to, but it's fun to like take a step back and look back at the past seven years, ten years with dating. And it's, most of the things we've done have been on purpose. Like it's all kind of been a beautiful picture

that we've been painting, like stroked by stroke. So hopefully we could continue walking down that path is the goal. Sean loves my analogy. Yes, that is another thing you guys haven't called me. Like that dude, that's freaky. Dude, that's actually kind of scaring me now. Like I do that.

I do that. And I would relate it to like Picasso or something. I'll get some metaphor for something. It's important to talk about yourself. I'm like, did you need that analogy? I'm like, I just said, that was a good one. That was beautiful actually. Sometimes I'm like, Matt, I kind of understood it

the first time you said it. I mean, I need to need a comparison there. That's so fun. I love the way you think you said it. I didn't need to need to compare it in there. That's so fun. I love the way you think. Thank you. I don't know, I like to have deep thoughts and it's fun to find relations between. Wait, does he do this too?

Or you'll just be randomly unloading the groceries and then it'll be like, Abby, what do you want out of life? Oh yeah. I love a good philosophical conversation. I'm a Z-Shit! Oh, stop it! I just want to unload the groceries you can have. No, no, but like seriously, I'm like, I'm like, Abby, like, what makes you happy?

Like, what, at the end of your life, what are you feeling the happiest you've ever felt in your life? Yeah, and maybe you get that from my dad, like my dad would ask you a small thing. He'd be like, what's your favorite memory with me? Like, what's the most fun we've ever had as father and son?

And we talk about those things. I'm like, I don't know, maybe that's just like, I'm like my dad in that way. Dude, it's so important though, dude. All right, so this is the prize I'm working on. I don't even know if Shawn knows about this. My goal, I lost my dad a couple months ago, and it's like really made me step back and look at,

I have a son now, and my dad did an awesome job Right so like what did he do right and so I'm trying to document all the stuff and it's turned into Curious your thoughts on this man. I'm like putting together a it's like a Table of contents like a binder full of like here's a family traditions We have here's like all about, I'm even including health issues that have been in our family. This is what dad passed away from. Here's my dad had this modern day nighting ceremony

to make us from boys to men. We did Boy Scouts and I'm like, I wanna make sure I'm documenting all this and not that my son needs to go through all that but at least he has a foundation of like, hey, I'm not into Boy Scouts but maybe I'm into this. know saying it's like, that's cool. I don't know I've just, this is my project that I'm working on. Are you into it? I really like that idea. That's really cool that you're doing that. It's been fun. Very very cool and no I mean

my dad same way like he was such a such a good father and I'm so blessed having a good father and that's I haven't thought about doing a binder, but that's like a cool way to think about it Like the playbook, I guess, for you know showing your kids what it's what it's like to be a man and having Traditions in there and I like the the health the health things to my dad all the time is like just you know we have macular And it's like it's gotta have it written down somewhere. It's kinda my M.O. And I love reading, but I got books on deck for you. But like, you look at principles by Radalio,

or like, I'm bringing through all the presidents of biographies right now, and it's like, all these people, like, they document it things. And it's like, I don't even know. I don't have anything important to document, but I'm gonna document stuff. So it's like, anyway, I've had fun. Dude, I cannot relate to somebody more. Reading presidents' biographies, like, that is something that I would actually do, and stuff. Yeah. So it's like, anyway, I've had fun. I could not relate to somebody more.

Reading presidents byographies like that is something that I would actually do and enjoy. Like I'm a history nerd. Like I think it's so fun to look at the past and see how we can learn from past mistakes and lead to a better future because like history repeats itself. We see that like all the time throughout history and that's cool. That's cool. Yeah. It's really cool. You're doing better. Let's these guys get dinner with their kiddos. Yes. Yes. And do you guys have a 530AM workout, right?

Yeah, we're going to be up to, I don't know about that. I don't know about that. 530 is 330AM Phoenix time. Squad max. We're doing a squad max. We're going to national like one. Oh my gosh. You got a bad early stage.

You got an adjustment. It's that early stage. Our house. I literally went to bed at 3.30 last, or at 3 o'clock editing a tick-tock. So I'll have one of these ready for you and I want to show you our library before we leave. Oh, okay. Yeah, I'll definitely do this. This is like I collect books. This is how I do. So big fans of you guys. Thanks for letting us do this. Big fans. You guys, thank you guys. Thank you so much for doing this. I know you guys are super busy and and thank you for letting us like literally film in your podcast studio. Sean and Andrew have a podcast as well.

So you should definitely go follow, subscribe, check, check out, check out, check out. Couple things, you can find it like everywhere, right? All platforms, it's there. Yeah, it's a couple things. I think it has an Instagram page. It's got a YouTube, you got the videos, and then a couple of things on wherever

you listen to podcasts. That's really dope. That's really cool. We have a good time. Well, you guys, this was such a pleasure to have you and hopefully we'll see you around. Come visit us if you're ever in Phoenix. We'd love to say hi. But yeah, cool.

All right. Three, two, one. Peace out, dudes. Peace out, dudes. Peace out, dudes!