The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby - The Abby Howard Interview *emotional*

Episode Date: June 28, 2023

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Why did you marry me? Oh! This is become such a deep interview. You don't have to answer these questions if you don't want to. The greatest gift that this job has given me, being able to work with you, and being able to be home with my son, soon to be sons. I did not expect to cry. What was the question? What do you hope to see change in the world?

What do you feel is your purpose? When you were a kid, what was your ultimate dream, your ultimate goal in life? Do you like what you do for your job? Um, yes and no. Yes and no, why yes and no? I feel like anyone would say that about their occupation though. What would the yes be, what would the no be? [♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪

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We love you guys. Not one of the episode. What's up dudes? And welcome back to the unplanned podcast. Woohoo. You guys, today we have a kind of interesting episode planned. I saw this couple on TikTok, a husband was interviewing his pregnant wife,

and I was like, you know what, I should do that for a podcast episode. I wanna interview Abby as my pregnant wife for a full hour long episode. I've done a lot of research on you. I know a lot about you. So I think this is gonna be good. I'm nervous.

Why are you nervous? I don't know, what are you gonna ask me about? Nothing crazy. Do you know the answer to these questions already? Actually, no. Like I have like questions that I just like legitimately want to know for how you feel about like life. And I want to know how that candy salad tastes

that you're eating right now from your baby shower that you just had. Is that pretty delicious? Visibly see the baby going crazy. Oh my gosh. Okay, I guess you're eating somewhat sugar. Yeah. Can I try some candy salad? Yeah the baby going crazy. Oh my gosh. Okay, I guess you're eating so much sugar. Yeah.

Can I try some candy salad? Yeah, go for it. This looks delicious. Bella, my friend Bella, threw a shower with my sister in law Abby last night. Oh, it's so good. And something really cute they had as like one of the many delicious snacks they had was the candy salad. Which I'm pretty sure this is the same couple.

Josh and Sav. Which the band. Josh and Sav. Yeah, that's her name, Josh and Sav. Josh and Sav on TikTok. She made it. Wasn't it her that made this candy salad? I have no idea. I've never watched TikTok very much. I don't know. No, I think it was her and that's where she got this idea to make this candy salad for me. And honestly, it is every pregnant woman's dream.

Just sour gummy candy. How are you? How are you feeling right now? What way? Like how's your day, you know, and how would you say you're feeling like on a scale of one to 10? Honestly, today I feel really stressed. Dang, and why is that? There's so much going on.

You know, I feel like, I don't wanna say mom guilt because it's not necessarily guilt, it's just mom's sadness where it's like, I have to do all these things, but I also wanna spend time with my baby. I need to leave a short timeline because we're leaving tomorrow for our baby moon.

I'm gonna be away from him. So, watch me cry. I'm crying. Do you like, do you like where your life is at right now? I feel high emotions. Hey, that's okay, you're pregnant, that happens. But even if you weren't pregnant, like it's totally okay to feel as a moment.

Wait, is this interview gonna be deep? I don't know maybe I don't think I have the capacity you want to have the capacity today To have a deep conversation. Well if I ask if I have some question you don't want to answer you don't have to answer it Oh, I do you like what you do for your job? What does that do with pregnancy? I don't know. I'm just I'm just asking you question This is the Abby Howard interview. This isn't even just like, this doesn't have to be pregnancy related. Oh, yeah. Yes and no.

Yes and no, why yes and no? I feel like anyone would say that about their occupation though. Yeah. What would the yes be, what would the no be? I mean, there's, my gosh, my belly's going crazy because of the sugar, I might need them. Yeah. When you stop, that's such a big question.

I mean, a surface level response would be like, sometimes, like, first of all, the good is that I get to work with my husband and I get to work from home and have the flexibility to be with my son. And like, that is. It's gonna be okay. I'm so emotional today, because I'm stressed. So like all my emotions are at the surface.

That is by far the greatest gift that this job has given me is being able to work with you and being able to be home with my son soon to be sons. There is no amount of money that could fit that. There's no price you could put on that, right? Totally. So I'm feeling incredibly grateful for that. Totally.

I did not expect to cry. Wow. What was the question? It was, what do you like about your job? What do you not like about your job? That's the part that I love about my job. Yeah. Also, it is incredibly, it's like a great honor that we can have like connections across the world through this job with people and it's given us some crazy opportunities that we never would have had otherwise.

So, those are the greatest things about it. For me, what's the bad side? Yeah. I guess the bad side is that I'm constantly like, it's not that I don't completely, like I do care what people think. And so then when there's negativity, it hurts. But more than anything, I feel like I'm always trying to break out of a stereotype where it's like, oh, you do this for your job, then you must be this, this and this.

And those things usually include like shallow, narcissistic, and superficial probably, maybe money-hungry, or like I think everything's content, that would probably be something that I hate, is I'm always like I always feel like I'm being put into a mold, but I feel like people would probably feel that, and many different ways in their own life, like they're trying to constantly be like, I don't perfectly fit this superficial mold you have for this. Do you enjoy, do you enjoy making content? I wouldn't say it's my passion, no. Yeah.

I don't know. What is, what is your passion? I don't like my family. Your family is your problem. Truly my family, like our marriage, my family. Your family's your passion. It's truly my family. Yeah. Our marriage, my family, I like working out, I like reading, I like traveling, I like being outside, I like baking, I like cooking.

Yeah. I honestly like the simple things in life, like laundry, taking care of our house. Like I love our house. I feel so grateful to have it. So like taking care of it is like something that so if money is a passion but it's something that fulfills me so if money like if money wasn't a thing if you had all of your needs met and like I don't know what would you do like how would you spend your time doing exactly that doing exactly that so baking what else so all those all those things you

just mentioned would be things that you just think, I think there's people in life that are looking For the next thrill and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I think that's super cool and exciting I don't know if it's just a place I'm at in life, but that's not what I'm looking for Like I don't I don't want the next thrill. I don't want the next Biro moment. I don't want the next you know, I just I like I love The beauty and like the simple moments in life What did this get so deep? I was asking questions. I thought we're gonna talk about like I'm just asking questions

I don't know working out while pregnant or something No, I'm just genuinely curious because like you were having a rough morning today and yeah So it's a perfect time to film up on and it sucks because like you were having a rough morning today. And. Yeah, so it's a perfect time to film up podcast. And it sucks because like, well Abby, you're such a fun person and you're like, you're just a fun person and you're genuine and people love that about you. And I love that about you.

That's why I married you. Like I just, I really like the person that you are and I love the friend that you are. And I think because of the person that you are, you're popular and you're popular online because of the genuine person you are. And so. This is the person that you are, you're popular and you're popular online because of the genuine person you are. And so this is the thing that we always run into, right? What? Where it's like, it's Matt and Abby online. But like, Matt is the, what would you say? Like, you're the motor behind Matt and Abby. Like, you made it happen, and then I was part of it, but I wasn't a founder

of Matt and Abby, if that makes sense, even though I was the 50% component. Would you say you were just putting up with my hobby? I was a co-star that put up with your hobby, and then it became something that I'm like, oh wow, this is a lot bigger than I bargained for. Well, that's why I was sorry. And sometimes I'm like, holy crap. Wait, I don't know if this is what I wanted. Well, so I was like bummed for you today

because like, you had a lot of brand deals that you were trying to knock out today. Well, okay, that's, okay, no, no, no. What we're not gonna do is have a pity party about the life of an influencer, because no one wants to hear that. Yeah. And I don't feel that way.

I think I was just stressed about everything I needed to get done before our trip. And I wanted to spend time with ourselves. No, but I did't feel that way. I think I was just stressed about everything I needed to get done Yeah before our trip and I wanted to spend time with ourselves No, but I did feel pity for you because it's like you didn't like necessarily choose this like this This whole video creation is like is my hobby. It's fun for me My my work is my hobby and for you that's not necessarily the case your work is your work It's not that I hate it, but my work is my work. And I had a few of that way.

And obviously it's a very fun job compared, but because you're such a popular, fun person, all these brands wanna work with you. And so then I'm like crap, I wish I could film these brand deals for Abby, but like these are Abby's, like I can't do Abby's voiceover, I can't film and put on a wig and pretend to be Abby and so that's where today. I was just like man

I feel for you like it. I just was I feel for me don't feel for me in that capacity feel for me in the fact that I'm carrying a large baby and it's funny. I mean, it's a lot on your plate. It's a lot on your plate to To work full-time while you're also pregnant but I mean, it could, it's really so good. It's just sometimes things catch up to you. And I feel like my threshold for stress has been a lot lower pregnant,

like since being pregnant and then also postpartum. So it's like, for over a year now, my threshold for stress has been pretty minimal, probably at 50% capacity. Well, it's funny that you just got this new smart watch that tells you when you're stressed out. Yeah. And so that's actually been really helpful to see.

It's been a learning me. It's been helpful to see when you are stressed and when you're not stressed. Cause yeah, like a lot of times you'll tell me, like, man, I'm really stressed out. But like, now that your watch is like, oh, I'm like, oh like she's she's not making this up like this this watch is Literally telling her her levels her heart rate everything is stressful Man, I want to know more about young Abby because what's funny about you is you

I want to say new even though you're not into the video creation side of stuff as much as I am, you really got into, like, almost wanting to be a vlogger, I guess, at a young age, you made these videos, you were so embarrassed that then we first started dating. Okay, I'm not vlogging. My, I loved, like, DIY beauty channels, which was like, what was thriving on YouTube at the time. Okay, back in 2012, 2010, when was this what was thriving on YouTube at the time. Okay, back in 2012, 2010, when was this? Probably, I have no idea.

And I was probably in like eighth grade, sixth, seventh, eighth grade in middle school. So I loved watching these videos and I specifically loved watching like Beth and Body Works halls. And like this is me organizing my jewelry. And like, I loved watching people get ready for the first day of school and packing their book bag. Like, I loved videos like that. But it was never like a formal, like, I'm gonna be a vlogger. Like I found one of my mom's old cameras

and I like made videos that I would never intended to post. And you were so old. And you were intended for anyone intended to post. And you were so- And never intended for anyone else to see. Because you were so embarrassed for me to see that video. I remember I found the video- Oh my gosh, well, because people make fun of my voice now, but you should have heard me when I was in sixth grade. The voice is so cute.

Wait, anybody that looks at my stress levels? Your stress levels are high, honey. Yes, you're stressed right now. Yeah. What can we do to de-stress you right now? Do we just need to take a few deep breaths? Breathe in. I do that.

I'm going to get emotional again. And breathe out. I don't want to be the girl crying on the internet. That is me, honestly. That's OK. Own it. Own it. Own your emotion.

You're pregnant. I'm not ashamed of my emotions. People are always like, this is so weird that you're putting on the internet. I'm not ashamed of my emotions people are always like this is so weird They're putting on the internet. I'm like it's so weird that crying is not a normal human emotion. Yeah, I don't know Anyway, sorry. What was the okay, so I don't I didn't want to be a vlogger Yeah, like don't don't think that because I never wanted anybody else to see them even if my own brother Saw them I would have been mortified 100% but I thought it was so interesting that you for fun as like an 11 year old girl. Yeah.

We're making these little beauty halls and beauty reviews and perfume reviews from Bath and Body Works. I would save up all my coupons and beg and knew about the deals from the YouTubers. Really? Yeah. And then I'd go and on Friday night so I'd ask my grandma and grandpa to please take me to Bath and Body Works and I would like try to stretch my $10 I had as far as I could get as many little hand sanitizer

just as I could. I was so cute. I was never aware of that side of YouTube because I was deep into the education side of YouTube. I was learning. Not then, were you in sixth grade? In sixth grade is when I started to learn you. I started to learn how to make videos from YouTube

from these channels that would educate. And so I didn't even know about the whole beauty haul, beauty industry on YouTube, and it's funny that that was the side of YouTube that you were on. Yeah, some of those girls are still making videos now, which is crazy. But why were you so embarrassed for me to see that video? Because we had been dating for like six months

and you would not. Because I never wanted anybody, I mean, now I wouldn't be, but I never want anybody else to see those. But you were 17, it wasn't like... I don't know, it didn't make sense, but I also was in deep in the infatuation stage with you. And I was like, I don't know,

that was embarrassing for me for some reason. You thought that anything that wasn't this perfect version or this, like, you know, I don't know why, that was just something I held on to still being embarrassed, I don't know why that was just like something I held on to still being embarrassed. I don't know yeah And as a kid too you you love to Like what would you say we talked about what you like to do now But like as a kid like what was your favorite thing to do like in the whole world?

I mean act dance Hang out with my friends Dancing when did you when did you start dance? Wasn't that when you were like three? I was three. That has crazy. And so from three till 19. College. And college when we took college ballet together, that's 16 years of dance.

I know I would literally be in my room, I would shut the door, and I would just read monologue books. No way. And try to like practice monologues. Yeah. I never did that. I would dance in my basement. Yeah.

Monologue, why did you get into monologue books? Because acting was like my favorite. So I pretend that I was auditioning for a big TV show or a big movie. And you, and that for you, was in front of dance as far as the order thinks you cared about acting more than dance. Yes, I loved acting. How old were you when you were reading monologue books? Probably starting in like six grade.

And honestly, earlier, because it really started, I like love to read and I would read out loud. And so I would read as if I was like, I don't know, doing like a script reading. Yeah. And by myself in my room, my whole family knew that I would do that. They would like, they'd be like,

think someone would think I was on the phone. They'd be like, no, Abby's just reading to herself in her room. Did your family get annoyed with you reading out loud and the car? Yeah Definitely in the car. How long? How long would you like? It now would be like to let her she tell her how long would this go on for would this be like a 10 minute thing in the car Would you just read out loud for like 45 minutes if we were driving to Florida? I would take as many hours as they would give

Seriously, I like loved reading out loud. I still love reading out loud. That's why I love reading a Griffin. I will say in the seven years of being together, I rarely have heard you without like, with you losing your voice. And I feel like it's because you read out loud so much as a kid your voice just strengthened itself.

Really, I feel like I lose my voice a lot actually. Really? Yeah. I have a very strong voice. I read out loud to you on car rides. Oh. That's impressive. I have a very strong voice. I read out loud to you on car rides. Oh yeah, you do. Sometimes not as much anymore.

I know because you've gone on a long car ride really since Griffin. Except for Tata and I did read to you then. You got into speaking when you were a kid too. I know like you, I think you were buddy buddy with the mayor of your town. You would do these speaking engagements back in the day. Why did you do that? Why did you get into that? Here's the thing, is that theater made me better at speaking.

And so then my mom was always, like, she always pushed me to do things that were outside of my comfort zone, into like, be independent and to like, learn adult skills. Like she was never want, like I had to order the restaurants since I was able to speak. Like it wasn't like she was gonna speak for me or like anything like that. She like taught me independence. And then also with that, she taught me like just

to have like adult like skills. And so she, that came with public speaking. And then obviously I wasn't a kid being like, hello Mr. Mayor, like what can I do? But like it was just because I don't even know. One thing led to another with my mom like being like, oh, Mr. Mayor, like, what can I do? But like, it was just because I don't even know, one thing led to another with my mom, like being like, oh, Abby, you could do that. Like, it's really cool that your mom had you order at restaurants

and take a grocery cart when you were one. Like, were you seven? Would you be like seven? I was super little, no, like younger than that. Younger than seven, getting groceries at the grocery store. She was there, but she would give me, and she would honestly be probably the next year over like spying over.

She wouldn't leave me unattending, but she would split the list, and so the things that were like on one side of the grocery store, and probably within reach for me, she would give me my own little list, and I had my own little shopping cart, and she, like, would keep an eye on me,

but I didn't know that. I thought I was being independent, and like taught me how to grocery shop. And this was a small town. So did you see the same people every time you went to the store? Like were you pretty? Not every time, but I mean, I knew they would be where

that we would go into a public place and not know somebody. How many people were in your town when you grew up? It's actually 40,000 when she's in that small. I feel like. I don't know. I just had small town vibes because there's no town around it for like the next, no large town

or even similar size to Quincy for the next like hour and a half, two hours. I thought it was so funny when I met you. I thought I just assumed that you had, I don't know, done more like country things. Like I had assumed that maybe a shot a shotgun at one point. That's I always tell you. But you lived next to a cornfield.

I'm like, if you're living next to. Your role is different than country. So interesting at me. And it was rural, but it wasn't country. So would you say I'm a city boy then, if I grew up? 1000%. Yeah. You grew up in St. Louis County.

Yeah, but I did have a grandpa that had a farm, and that's where I would have shot a shot coming to shot, like, play targets and stuff on his land. But so you played Country Boy on seven weekends? I guess I did. Yeah, every other month or so, we'd go see my grandpa. No, yeah, I would never say that I was country at all. When you were a kid, like, what was your ultimate dream,

your ultimate goal in life? To be an actress. But was it Broadway? Was it movies? Was it both? Broadway. You really wanted Broadway. I did, but I think that I just had never explored, I mean, there was no opportunity for anything on film or anything. And there really wasn't, beyond community theater, there was no opportunity for any like higher level performance, I guess. I went to one of your community, I went to actually a couple of the community theater.

It was a great community theater. Theater shows and Quincy, Illinois, and they were good. Yeah. I was impressed because like coming from a big city, I had never done much community theater. And in my mind, they just, I don't know, I didn't really have an opinion on it or know what it would look like.

Maybe that was because there was professional theaters. Yeah. Or like regional theaters then. And so like everyone did this, you know what I mean? Like has like the higher, you know, the people that had more experience were probably doing like the higher levels, but this was the highest level in Quincy.

So yeah. They had really good shows. Oh, totally. And you were very, very talented. A lot of passion. And I think that I specifically love community theater because everyone is just doing it out of pure passion. Well, that's what's interesting about you is because like,

as we started to do social media, I, even though I'd been a theater kid, I'd grown up doing theater and I'd love to perform. For me, I still got to use that creative side of my brain on the social media side, but for you, even though you're creative at heart, part of you, it seemed still really missed that the stage, really missed the theater. Oh, it's nothing to like in my mind because it's... The collaboration is not really existent.

It's the same thing. that collaboration is not really existent. It's the same thing. And then the live audience is just so exhilarating. And I also, you're playing a part whereas especially when you were being yourself. Something I thought was remarkable is you could remember lines like nobody else I ever met. Like you could read a script like, I don't know.

You know a line. I still remember Yes, the one from the from Peter in the star catcher. That was the I think the first show that I saw you a brain can't forget it I can't remember like simple words. What did you and Peter? You played Wendy, right? Freak what is Molly Molly Molly was is Wendy even in the show? No, okay? I'm sure I'm like questioning myself. Was it Molly. I think it was Molly Astor right? Molly Astor. Yeah, that was your character in the show. Yeah. What was what was that line? Dendorn and her flinkiness and I can frescatoot her name and even as an a Bnonga being to rub along a sink and a can keep the owner cooking on Kodong Kodong Kodong Papa. I want to see

Perform again Abby. I want to I do I mean all that obviously is on the back burner while we at least have little little kids. Yeah. But in some capacity in my future, I will probably do that again. You're so good at it though. Like you're so sure you're good at it. And here's the thing about it. I love it, but my life will not be fulfilled

by doing that ever again, you know? Yeah, oh really, so like, you can never, I can have a complete full life without doing it again. Wow. Yeah. And when did you realize that? That's a big change,

because I feel like you would have never, you would have never said that, probably prior to meeting me, I guess, like. No, yeah, I think just growing into marriage in our family, like, and also getting to see the world, I was like, there's so much out there, like. Yeah. I don't know, I feel like my perspective changed a lot, and for a lot of people, it does, like, and also getting to see the world. I was like, there's so much out there. I don't know, I feel like my perspective changed a lot and for a lot of people it does,

like, and at that exact same time, you know, from going from your teens to your 20s. So much life change happened then. It's insane. I feel like I've lived so much life in that amount of time that it, like, did change me. We've been together seven years and I'm curious like what do you think your life would look like right now if we hadn't have met or we hadn't had. Oh my gosh. First of all I would not be on the internet. And no, but I have no clue. What do you think like do you think you'd be in New York right now being on Broadway? Like I truly believe that you have the skill and the talent to do it. You're a very, very good actress. Well, thank you.

I think that, right, honestly, I think that if I were to be doing something, I'd probably would have fallen into film and TV. Really? Why film and TV? It's some capacity because I can't sing, and it's very hard for actors that do live performance to make a career out of it. That's true. I think the money is hard.

Like strict actors. Yeah. I feel like you have to do the dancing and the singing. Yeah. My question, though, is being from a small town and having to either move to really New York or LA, would you have been able to do that? Probably not.

I think, I mean, I definitely would have gone to college where I went to college, I think. Yeah. Even if you hadn't gone properly. Yeah. And then why is that? Why were you so prone to misery state? Because I think it would have been too hard for me

to just up and leave. Also, I honestly wouldn't have been safe. Think about it. I had grown up in such a small town, and then for me to be an 18-year-old in LA or New York City, that would have honestly been unsafe because I did not, I would not have known honestly. That's what kids do though, isn't that crazy that there's kids that just pick up and leave. Even younger than that, there's kids that leave home at 16, you know. That's terrifying. I hadn't also no street knowledge so.

Yeah, either did I. I would have been a completely sustainable. I mean freshman year together was where I really Yeah, we learned a lot that we learned we grew up together, you know, we figured out how to be adults together Yeah, I think that I probably would have shifted gears in college and just gone to probably teaching because that's what your mom did what your grandma did Probably yeah, and you're very good at that too. You're honestly very good at all I think I probably would have switched gears and gone into teaching What was your your rank in school was once you seventh in your class or third in your class?

I think I was six met you were six Why were you six like how did you why do you think you were six? I think I could have been higher if I didn't do choir Oh, so choir brought your overall GPA down It's a game I wasn't trying to play the game. I was just like when it came to the like looking at my paper I was like, holy heck. Yeah. I could have actually been not actually though, but.

Yeah. What's funny like in school, in my school we didn't have the whole valedictorian thing, but your school did. I mean, it's kind of. Is it going away? I think it's going away. I think it's going away. Because it got to be too silly of a game and people were competing. Yeah, because it's kind of... Is it going away? Do you think more and more? I think it's going away.

Because it got to be too silly of a game and people were competing. Yeah, because it's like, you're not... It gets weird at that point where it's like, oh, I can't do choir, because that's gonna bring my GPA down. Yeah. I don't know. It's just a game at that point. We've talked a lot about like dance and acting. You mentioned choir.

Do you like singing? Like, would you say, you don't- No., just no. I guess I'm so bad at it You make fun of me all the time. No, I don't I can't hear I can't hear harmonies. I can't hear if I go off pitch I also have the most limited range It is funny because my voice is pitch at a weird spot. It's funny when I sing you are my sunshine to sing Griffin to sleep every night You'll come in and it's always off Sharp no Sometimes you do come in on pitch, but then within five seconds you go off pitch. Yeah

Well see now you I think it's because they've got me in my head And I'm like oh wait, maybe this is wrong. Isn't it crazy to think that we are about to, like, our, oh my gosh, the day that we're filming this episode, we're literally like 10 days away from like our seven years since we first started dating. Oh yeah, we were actually like chatting and like flirting at this time, seven years ago, while you were 17 and I we're both 17. I want to go back.

I want to go back to and I think it it sucks. I live a lot of my life looking forward to the future. I get so excited for what the future could be. It's so I don't know. I love that. I love dreaming and I love thinking about like what the world could look like in the future. It's so fun. But then I forget about how special the present moments are.

And once those moments are gone, I look back, and then I have that same thought. They're like the reverse thought of, man, I wish I could go back. I wish I could relieve those moments and had sucks that you can't. There's nothing that you can do to go back. I get more, I lean more towards in this nostalgic side.

Yeah. Which is equally dangerous. It was interesting I was reading this article about how even if there are times in our life I get more, I lean more towards in this nostalgic side. Yeah. We're just equally dangerous. It was interesting I was reading this article about how even if there are times in our life in the past that were like really, really hard and challenging, we'll still look back on those times and want to go back because there's maybe we'll see a picture, a video or something that like was a happy moment and we're like, oh, I just want to go back. And there's some sort of psychological thing that happens when time passes, we always

view the past as like better. You know, kind of interesting. I actually think it actually was that good though. Yeah, no, they're definitely worth a good time. Definitely, definitely really good times. And we're so many good times now too though. Oh, 100%. And you always say the best is yet to come.

I do. I think that's true. So why why did you marry me? This has become such a deep interview. Sorry you don't have to answer these questions if you don't want to. Well I mean there's a lot of answers to that. Yeah. It all really boils down to I could not I did not want to imagine a life without you Sasha I couldn't that's beautiful Isn't that's really that's really beautiful. I mean truly like you were my best friend you are my best friend and Well, I guess at the time time that specifically like how I know when Mary was, because at the time, like, I just wanted to do everything with you. Well, there was a guy, I know this now,

there's a guy that you were going on dates with at the time. That's not talk about him. Okay, okay, let's talk about him. No, you were doc, I don't really, I really don't care. There were guys before that, though, that you'd gone on dates with. You never dated any of these guys. You never kissed any of these guys.

What was it about me? Oh, like initially that made me wanna date you? I guess initially, but just like deeper than that though too. It's so many reasons. Like I first of all thought you were extremely attractive. We've talked about this multiple times. I like always talked to my friends about how cute I thought you were. But then you made me feel just like excited. Like I felt excited with you, safe with you. I just, I don't know. Something about me is that

like I feel like I've never had, I've never like wondered or been wishy-washy about things I've wanted in life. Like even with my ring. Like we always talk about this. Like the first ring I tried on and I like knew that was what I wanted and that was my ring. I wasn't just in trying on other things. And so it's like, I don't know. I just knew. I don't know. That is interesting. I'm over I'm over fairy tailing it, I guess. But really it felt so natural to be with you. That's the only thing I can explain is that it just felt natural. Wasn't that initial fatuation that we had,

just like the craziest wild feeling? Yes. Just so, it felt like a roller coaster. Like the fact that we would literally make out my parents' basement for literal hours. Why would we just go back to that? I don't know, I think that's just like, that just kind of shows that we really, really liked

each other. And it was silly and we were young. We could show that we really liked each other because we weren't around each other all the time. We'd face time to five a.m. We were always facing each other. And that's something that's really cool about our relationship from the beginning is that it was really all built on

conversation. Yeah, we didn't see we saw each other maybe once every other week. Well, it was our friendship. That made it so close. We're really we are and we're really friends. Yeah, I just think you're so I think you're so cool. Really? I really do. I think you're so like for so really do. I think you're so, like for so many reasons, I think you're, I'm definitely not cool. No, you are cool though.

You're cool because you don't give an F what other people think about you. You're cool because you're beautiful. You're cool because you're so smart and got like really good grades. You're cool because you're hilarious and you can make me laugh and you make other people laugh. Stop, stop, stop.

And you're cool because you hung out with your grandparents every weekend when you'd go over and spend the night with them and play cards and Radio books when you're a kid, you know, you're cool for so many reasons. That's really sweet. That's so nice. Ask people I wanted to high school with. I wasn't cool at all. I wasn't cool. People thought I was weird. I wasn't cool at all. I wasn't cool. People thought I was weird. But I cared so much. And that's what I love about you is you don't care. And I love that energy.

I love that energy of just being comfortable in who you are. I don't think I care at times. Yeah, but like in a healthy amount. You know, there's a healthy amount of caring, right? Yeah. Otherwise, and maybe you actually are a narcissist. Wait, what?

If you like never care, then maybe you do air on the side of like, maybe you have a little something going on. Yeah. This is good. I love asking you these questions. Did you write down questions? I did write down some, but I'm kind of just going, we're just seeing where the conversation goes.

This is fun. This is fun interviewing you. I like this. It's so weird, because it's like, it feels like you're not my husband we're having I know but I am at the same time we're pretending to not be married maybe maybe you tell me hey you there listening to this podcast if you could just like and subscribe it would mean so much if you're driving right now don't do a while you're driving that's not safe but as soon as you park just do it when you go to

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So we end up getting married. We are in college together. So much is changing. What was the first year of marriage like for you? Like what do you remember? I mean, it was really sweet. We were both doing our own things. And that was the last year that we really did our own separate things.

Yeah. Like during the day we would each go to our own classes. We had our own jobs. Mm-hmm. And that's when I was like nannying and then substitute teaching during my elementary education classes. You were doing the finance thing. So I think that was honestly our first year

was our only normal year of marriage. What was the best shop you had in college and the worst shop you had in college? Worst shop was the creepy, oh my gosh. We worked at, so Matt and I shared a car. I wanna fight that dude so bad. Let me get all the Missouri. Matt and I shared a car and it was literally

your brother's car, so I share a parent's car. Did we go in 50-50 on that? What was that before we combined bank accounts? No, no, I'm talking about the car that your parent, the Camry. Oh. And so we both need to make money because you want to get married,

but we only had one car and it was really Matt's parents car. And so we were like- My brother's car, secondly, my uncle gave it to get married, but we only had one car, and it was really Matt's parents' car. And so we were like- My brother's car, secondly, my uncle gave it to my brother, but then I didn't have a car because my parents needed the other car. My mom was driving our truck because money was tied at the time, so my parents needed to take the truck back from me

and my brothers, then now my brother, and I were sharing the camera anyway. At college, this was our first semester call. So we got the camera. We didn't the camera, but we only had one car. And I couldn't get a job on campus because they were set aside for other students. And so we had to work at the same place. Was the only thing that boiled down to it

was really hard to convince businesses. Okay, I don't know why, I feel like at the time. It was so hard to get a job. Yes, I feel like now it's easy to get a job like this, but at that time, it was really hard to convince businesses. Okay, I don't know why I feel like at the time. It was so hard to get a job. Yes, I feel like now it's easy to get a job like this, but at that time, it was really hard to get a job working at a restaurant. I think there's a lot of government money that just people take and they can not have to work

and just get paid by the government right now because I see jobs, like I see openings for jobs everywhere. But we did not find one. I applied at 10 different places the first week of college because I was so desperate to start making money so that we could get married and only one of them accepted me and that was and that was the business it was your great employee it was flame stay cows in springfield so we went we were we finally convinced them to hire us both at flame stay cows I applied to be a hostess I trained as a hostess and then they switched me they're like oh we're gonna train you as expo which they basically just like plate the food make sure everything's good before it goes because it was a nicer restaurant

For ghost to the customers then they train me at that for two weeks and they're like oh no actually we're gonna move you to cocktail Downstairs and there's a lounge downstairs and it's kind of seedy. I didn't quite understand what that was We're so young and so naive like we didn't know what cocktail really was But here you are like walking around and like kind of a shorter, I mean, it wasn't. Wait, dude, I was 18. You were 18 working cocktail. Yes, and so I couldn't drink. I didn't, and I didn't drink.

And so I didn't know what was going on. And then they, like, had me wear a cocktail dress and I had to like go out and buy some. I bought some at Play-Doh's closet. And then, um, it was just a kind of seedier job than I would have ever intentionally taken. Just down there there would be like, guys that were kind of not that they were getting sloppy drunk, but they're drinking and they were older and they had money. Like the people that came and they would just kind of be a little bit inappropriate. And I didn't really know what to

look for. Listen to you to be like, that's wrong. Like that's not really cool. And so then, and then the manager, he was himself who should have been, you know, I think he ended up getting arrested right. Taking care of his workers. Yeah. Yeah. He would, first of all, he did drugs during.

You come to work high. Well, he would do it during shifts too. People told us that he was hiring work and we're like, really? And they're like, you know how his eyes are always red? Oh, yes, allergies. It looks like he has allergies because eyes are always red. They're like, he's literally high like on marijuana. Yeah. So you have to check out to leave and you have to check out with him. Yeah. And we couldn't find him forever. He would be an alley doing job. It was like so sketchy. And we didn't even know because we're so young and so sheltered. And so anyway, he would be like,

you would make a lot more money if you didn't wear tights tonight. Like tell me to take off my tights under my dress. Or he'd be like, you need to find a different dress. Like people, you get a lot more tips. Or things like that. And then, I mean, I could go on and on. And then, but we always talk about like the creepiest part

was that he would literally, before a shift, sit at the bar, have a drink, and then have always talk about like the creepiest part was that he would literally, before a shift, sit at the bar, have a drink, and then have me wash table bases of the high top tables down there on all fours. When you were washing these on all fours, was he, were you facing him at all times? No. Because that really bothers me.

Like I didn't realize that was going on. And the bartender never stopped people, like I would literally be Like certain dreams. Yeah, some guys follow me back to the break area and he was like do a 360 I want to see you from every angle and like be super creepy and the bartender just thought it was funny And you'd be like I bet you got a good tip from that table like it was like I don't want that money Like that gross me out and I just like hated that and it's not that it was like I don't want that money. Like that grossed me out and I just like hated that. And it's not that it was like, I think just looking back on it,

I feel protective of my 18 year old self there. Because I don't think she knew what was really good. And I feel protective for like, young, other 18 year old now, because now that I know that that exists and that's out there, I just want people to be careful. Yeah, and I think I was safe, but it was just... Yeah, nothing ever happened. Yeah, I just didn't want to be subjected to that.

Totally. I don't know. I think I just didn't know. But yeah, that was probably the worst job. Best job? I mean, substitute teaching was incredibly hard, so I'm not going to say that was like the best job. And honestly, substitute teachers today, teachers in general have like my utmost respect.

Substitute teachers, holy heck. Like you are incredible. It is exhausting. You don't make a lot of money and you're constantly literally the target of Children abusing you. So hard and it's so exhausting and you're constantly like just like Playing improv because you're like, I don't know, I gotta figure out how they do things and what student can I trust?

Like it's a whole mess. So since you're teaching, I learned so much. I wouldn't say that's the best job. Honestly, the best job I think was working at Bellasinos, the pizza shop with you because we were working together, we had so much fun. It wasn't high stress. Well, that's when we realized

that we wanted to work together. Yes. That's when we literally said, hey, if we could ever own a business or do some sort of job together one day, that would be the ultimate dream. Yeah. And it's cool. And we can bend to pizza shop to hire us together.

Because we only had a car. We only had one car. We only had one car. So we left the steak house. Well, we actually got fired from the steak house. We got fired from the steak house because we went home for Christmas break when we were freshman in high school. And we told them that.

Well, the manager got arrested. So I felt like they were just. Yeah, there was a lot that went on. They just needed an overhaul of that restaurant. But that was kind of devastating though, because we relied on that job. It was very exciting. We needed that money, and it was scary. We came home early from Christmas break after we got fired to then search for a new job,

and that's where we ended up getting hired by the pizza restaurant. Yes, and it's not like we made a lot of money at the pizza restaurant, because it was a brand new restaurant, business was slow. Business was Yes, and it's not like you made a lot of money at the pizza restaurant, because it was a brand new restaurant. Business was slow, but it was really fun. Yeah, but good old Bellasinos. Bellasinos pizzas and grinders. Their food is still so good. On Battlefield Road in Springfield, Missouri.

Across from the mall, they're food is so good. That's our restaurant. Yeah, so I had a lot of fun working with you there. Last time we went to eat there. So our day put a pole gun on somebody there. Oh wow, that did happen. We probably shouldn't talk about that. Okay.

Okay, that was in the parking lot and that was completely unrelated. It was a completely safer place. It was the bartender to serve her. Oh my gosh. Okay, let's, yeah. We don't want to. I got a tip. Okay, Abby.

Wow. Last when we ate at that restaurant, we were about to move to Hawaii. And we were, we were saying goodbye to the manager who hired us together and, um, or the owner, yeah, Blaine. And I'm just curious, like, we effing move to Hawaii at 21. Wait, can I say something really quick? We were both, we had just, you had just turned 21, but yeah, what do you want to say? I was just saying saying remember that older guy

that was like a regular at the pizza restaurant and he would always try to like set us up together and we were already engaged. It was so sweet. He'd be like, I was like, that mad, I can tell he has eyes for you. Like he was so sweet and then we were already engaged. I remember just like seeing, I thought you looked so cute and then we were already engaged. I remember just like seeing,

I thought you looked so cute in your Bellicinos outfit. You had your little t-shirt on. That we had a spend $10. We had to pay $10 to buy the t-shirt. And I had to pay $10 for an extra because I was like, if I work two days in a row, I don't have time to wash the shirt. But I didn't want to spend the extra $10 for the t-shirt,

so I just kept wearing the same one. You were like, B.O. all the time. Just wanted to say one over and over again. It's a buddy. But that was a special time. I know. I really, really like that. And I think something that about our first year of our marriage

was just like the simplicity of it was beautiful. Yeah. I was reading through Love, Notes, to each other that we made when we were first married. And they are so sweet. Like, we were so head over Notes to each other that we made when we were first married and they are so sweet. Like we were so head over heels for each other and I love that. I feel like the first year of marriage would be,

like if I had a word for every year, it would be simplicity. Yeah. Second year adventure, because that's when we move, right? Yeah. And what's funny though is like, third year family, like, it's been so...

And I look back on that time and, I mean, look, the employers that I had at that time, everyone was, I can't complain, like everyone was so nice, but I worked at McDonald's one summer, didn't really like that. I worked in financial planning and that was okay, but it just wasn't like, it wasn't my passion,

you know, like, I ultimately wanted to be a business owner myself or a creative and luckily now I get to do both. But it's interesting how like that, I look back on those memories so finally though, and it's because of how excited I was, just they come home from work and see you and spend time with you and hang out with you.

I just, I really, really enjoy that first year of marriage. There's a video you made for me is funny. We were celebrating Valentine's Day and that year you decided to like, plan it yourself and I came home to a surprise. Well, we planned on a forward to go out. Yeah, we, money was tight and so we celebrated at home. We made a homemade pizza, chock-covered strawberries.

We watched a movie. I surprised you with our wedding video, which I had just spent about 30 hours editing. I made a YouTube video of it because I was part of your Valentine's Day gift because I knew that you liked making videos. That that valent, I think it's called Valentine's Day Surprise. It's still on our YouTube channel.

It's from like, oh my gosh, three years ago, four years ago. That was part of the gift. I was like, I'm gonna make a YouTube video because Matt likes making YouTube videos. Well, at the gift. I was like, I'm gonna make a YouTube video cause Matt likes making YouTube videos. Well, at the time, I was just, I was just hoping to, I was looking for a creative outlet and I was looking for a way to hopefully be able to get paid maybe just like some side money on the side

of the financial planning thing so that I could like create and have fun, but know that people enjoyed it and people like to watch it. And man, did we have no idea that that was going to completely change, you know? That- Well, you're such a passionate person in general. So, I mean, you're really cut out for this.

Thank you. Thank you. That's really kind of you. No matter what you were gonna do in life, Matt, I knew this right from right when we started dating. No matter what we were doing, you were gonna be one of the best at it Thanks just because that's like how you roll Thanks, I feel like you're interviewing me now

You're good like that's that's so so kind. How are those candy next next next question as you're down in your candy salad that looks so good I guess I'm gonna know like I Don't know we've talked a lot about your past. We've talked a lot about yeah being married young. I guess someone to know like, I don't know, we've talked a lot about your past, we've talked a lot about yeah, being married young. I feel like, you know, we kind of documented our life in Hawaii. I mean, documented or moved to Arizona. We've documented us having a kid for the first time and we've haven't really posted a lot on YouTube channel this year. We've, you know, started a new podcast and things have been, you know, changing a lot. We're trying to hopefully hire people to help us make these videos so that we can have a normal work schedule of 9-5 and family time because that's something that we crave. I don't want to do late nights anymore.

I want to spend more time with you. But now that we've gotten to this point, I guess, like what, what is your hope for the future? Like with what we're doing right now, with where we're headed, like, what do you hope to see in the future for your life? Okay, where I see myself in five years. I feel the urge to come up with something whereas this might be a boring answer,

but I just see us investing our time in our family. Yeah. And those we love and like going to our kids soccer games. And it's okay. Hey, it's all good. I just picked your Griffin sweaty with his little shin guard and his caprice on. And that vision just came up to my and I was like oh I can't wait for that like for me I'm like that is so exciting so it's like maybe no one like cares out there like I don't know

It's not some elaborate business plan or some like I Don't know. I don't have like lofty goals that are gonna be like so excited for the people But I'm just like so excited to see my boys and shin guards and kicking us all around or doing gymnastics and he does his first cartwheel and he's like, looks to us to see if we saw him and then they're like, mom, look, mom, look, mom, look.

Like forever and I just can't wait to see them grow up and they're a little personalities. I love to see the world to their eyes, and I love to see. Take them to Disney World. Yeah. You know what, my favorite thing in the world. I can't get enough of coming downstairs after editing or giving notes on. He's so happy to see you.

Yes, and he just lights up, and it's like I'm Superman, but I'm just this dude, you know, like I'm growing up too. Yeah. And I'll be honest to Abby, like I don't know if I would have had kids at this young of an age. Like I feel like in my head, I was like yeah, I'm gonna have kids at a young age, but then I-

But then it came in your own way. I'm like, whoa, like, this is so fast, no. But like with you, it just happened. And now this is- What do you mean it just happened? Well, I mean, I guess we could go back a little bit, but they're like, you were- Oh, like I just wanted to have kids.

You were doing okay in Hawaii. Like you weren't, yeah. You weren't having the best time there. And I remember like something that you wanted so badly. And I feel like it brought out part of that urge more too, but like you had always wanted to be a mom and you were like, Matt, I wanna be a mom so bad. And I'm like, okay, let's do it.

Like let's be, let's be parents, you know? Well, we had our, we talked about it. Of course, like I've always wanted to be a mom and you were like, man, I want to be a mom so bad. And I'm like, okay, let's do it. Like, let's be, let's be parents, you know? Well, we had our, I mean, we talked about it. Of course, like I've always wanted to be a dad of my whole life, but. No, but we talked about that timeline too. But I feel like if you would have said, oh, I'm cool waiting, I'd have been like, okay, sick, let's wait another two years.

Yeah. I probably would have said that. Yeah, I just, I don't know. I mean, there are some people that are like, okay, with waiting and I think that's totally fine and normal and healthy. But then I know there's other women like me that was like, okay, with waiting and I think that's totally fine and normal and healthy. But then I know there's other women like me that was like, oh, I could think about.

Like, and I would see other people with their babies and I would just be like, oh, I crave that. Or like, I would, I need so many little kids. And I would just be like, oh, I just wanna be with my own child. So I know. I mean, you're now, you get to spend a lot of time with your son, which is a cool thing,

and a perk of getting to work from home, getting to many creators, work from home. Are there times that you feel alone? Yeah, I think I'm very much a people person. So that's why Hawaii was hard for me, because we didn't know anybody there. I'm a big community person. I need to be around people.

And I think that's an element that I miss since we make videos. Yeah. For a living, and it's all, it's pretty independent. It's pretty small operation. But I think I have also learned, like that's part of, you know, being an adult is like learning how to help yourself. I feel like, and we set up so many social things throughout our week.

So that's helped me a lot. Kind of shocked me when we had all of our family visiting. We just had my cousin visit, my brother visit. Did you feel, usually I hear you oftentimes saying, I just want to get out of the house. I just want to get out and see people. Did you feel the urge to get out of the house, I just want to, you know, get out, see people. Did you feel the urge to get out of our house when all those people were staying with us and out of the house so often? I still like to get out of the house.

I mean, I like to be around people and I like to get out. Why do you like to work out so much? I don't know. You work out. I like to get out of the house. I like to see people. I love doing something hard. Like pushing myself, sweating, getting my heart rate up, like it really helps me feel good,

accomplished. Physically it makes me feel a lot better. Even when you're pregnant. Yes. I told you Sunday I crashed because I didn't work out Saturday or Sunday. And Sunday I literally felt terrible. Do you feel... Entire. Do you get like a high off the pain, like the pain of like working really hard?

Probably, I guess. Cause there's been workouts we've done where we don't like push it really hard at the end and you're like, oh, I just wish I could go harder. Yeah, we don't really work out together though. Yeah, we don't. Do you wish we did? Oh no, it's my me time.

I mean, I wish you would sometimes, yeah. What do you do on your drive to there? To the- And listen to podcasts. All right, is it true crime? Um, that or I like, I've been listening to something was wrong podcast. And there-

Shout out. Shout out. Yeah, I was season four. I started from the beginning, so I'm like, this is, they're in 2020 right now. Didn't you start listening to that scam? It's like a scam or podcast, right? Well, yeah.

When her friends got their adoption scam or her friends down in Bella had an adoption scam. It was horrible so sad and yeah, that's like a whole. It got me started because I know that some of their seasons are about like scams like on scams and stuff. Could you live the rest of your life never never making another social media video, never acting again, never doing any sort of art. Could you live a full life without doing any of that as long as you had your family? 1000% could you?

That's the thing and I feel, now you're interviewing me. Now I mean, I love my family so so much. I think there's nothing, I truly think there's nothing wrong with having passions outside of that. Totally. And sometimes I worry about myself that I don't have that. Well, cause there's times where like I love my time

with Griffin so much and like man, I wish I could just be a stay at home dad. Like I wish I could just quit the social media stuff and just like fully focus on him. But then after a while I'm'm like, man, I really want to go create something like, you know, no, I do. I definitely think it would be naive of me to be like, oh, I wouldn't miss it at all. I definitely would because I think that there's a part of like satisfaction that comes from doing something that's separate

from, you know, just being a mom and just being a wife, there is definitely, and I think that leads to self-confidence, which leads to increased mental health. I think there's a lot of good that comes from it that I would miss. What do you feel is your purpose? My purpose. And you can answer that any way you want. It could be your purpose with your work,

be your purpose as a mom. Could you just be your life purpose or something that- Well, my purpose as a mom would be to raise kind of people. Okay. My purpose and my work would be to, I have to just stay true to myself. My purpose is to stay true to myself because- That's your purpose, you know what I mean.

I feel like as soon as I start, I can't have the validation come outward. Yeah. I come from the people that follow me or watch me because that ebbs and flows. Totally. And I would have quit a million times before. Do you feel like the praise is too high in social media and the hate is too? Do you feel like the hate and the praise are both too extreme?

For sure. So it's like that, it the praise are both too extreme? For sure. So it's like that. It just has to be like, it has to come for me. And that's just to be who I am. The purpose, what was my other purpose as a wife? I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.

What is your purpose there? To, for you to know that you're always loved. That's so sweet. Yeah. What is my other purpose in life? What do you, what do you hope to see? My purpose, I just want know what my other purpose is in life. What do you, what do you hope to see? What do you hope to see? Well, my purpose I just want to be a good friend to people.

That's sweet. I'm so boring. What, what do you hope to see change in the world? Wow, this is so deep. You don't have to answer these questions if you don't want to see. See change in the world, I mean, gosh, I can't. Sometimes you ask me these questions.

You ask me these questions on a regular basis. I just like to ask these. I like to think, I can't. Sometimes you ask me these questions. You ask me these questions on a regular basis. I just like to ask these. I like to think about these big ideas, you know? I just wish people had more empathy. Yeah, that's good. Why? I think the world needs more empathy. Why? If you have more empathy, you have more community. If you have more community, then I feel like we could start meeting each other's needs more and then other people could like their gifts could be exult like lifted up and then we could fill in for other people's like shortcomings. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, I just think the world needs more empathy. Do you think that almost plays into the family unit too? Sure, I think the family unit is a microcosm.

A microcosm, okay. It's a big word. That's a big word. Yeah. I love that. Do you have any lasting thoughts to close out this interview? This is not all what I thought this episode was gonna be.

I didn't even know what it was gonna be, to be completely honest. I just, I don't know, you were stressed out today and I was just like, I wanna just, I wanna go deep with Abby. Like I just wanna- That's a bad time to go deep. Really? Is that a bad time?

Yes. Sorry. Because then I cried because I was already having elevated emotions. I'm sorry. And now people are gonna tell me I have, you know, whenever I cry people on the internet say I have, um, like prenatal depression.

Really? Yeah. Really? Mm-hmm. I think it's just called being pregnant. Your emotions are higher than usual. Yeah. And I already had high emotions.

How do you feel, by the way, if I, if I take a video of you when you're crying in your pregnant? How does that make you feel? People are not going to believe me when I say this. What do you say? I don't care. And well, if I do care, I tell you right off the bat, don't record this. Yeah.

And then you stop recording. Exactly. But if I don't care, I don't care. And well, if I do care, I tell you right off the bat, don't record this. Yeah. And then you stop recording. Exactly. But if I don't care, I don't say anything. That most recent video, what did I say right before I start recording? Can I record this? Yeah.

And I said, yes. Your emotions were high and I thought, I thought you might get a kick out of it later. No, no, no, no. I get a kick out of it even in the moment. Like, I have this weird. Like, in the moment, I'm like, I am aware that this is a large reaction to something

that's not a big deal. It's kind of fun too to do. It's hard to reel it back in. Yeah, when there's like, when you're in a moment of heightened emotion, I don't know for me at least, or if I'm doing something crazy, like some crazy stuff, I want someone to record. I don't care, we've gotten so used to it too.

It's not like I put on for it, or it's not like I'm off put. I like that about you, I love that you don't put on. Yeah, I don't really care. Me next. Thank you for being- Let's see if I'm still stressed. Thank you for being vulnerable.

I think our babysitter is about to leave so we need to finish this stuff. Yeah, my stress has gone to medium. Hey, that's good. Maybe filming this episode helped. Yeah, maybe. Should we, should I read review? Should I like find, should I just

like read the first review of our podcast that pops up? Also, do you like my toenials? Love your toenials. This is the most recent, um, review. It says, so fun. I just started a new job where I drive a lot and listening to this podcast helps me pass time. It's super funny and sweet to listen to. Thank you. I love listening to podcasts and driving, so that means a lot that you're listening to ours during your drives. Well, if you guys haven't left a review already, do that for a podcast. You can also hit the like button and subscribe

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this is our life. That was a, I hope you guys liked the interview too. This was kind of just like a full transparency. We didn't have an episode idea for today. I clicked on the microphone. You clicked. What does that even mean? You don't know that is?

No. You're gonna like actually like spit like, but it kind of shoots out. Oh my gosh Well, I didn't have an episode idea We got a really big guest coming on for our next episode. So I'm very excited stay tuned for that But as always three two one peace out dude