The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby - Trying for Baby #2, Birth in Australia & Becoming an American Citizen w/ Jess & Gabe

Episode Date: November 29, 2023

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I feel like a baby is coming so soon. Like you could be pregnant right now, we don't even know it. What was the experience like in Australia versus like probably what you've heard about like the experience in US? The main thing was that it was free. I mean, you didn't pay a penny? It cost us a flight to Australia. You went all as little as I was like, I'm gonna marry an American one day. And now you're an American.

And now you're an American citizen! Let's give it up for Jess! Which country is better? Jess, we trained for this. This was part of your citizenship test. Wait, can we have a look at that? America is the best number one country. What's up, dudes? And welcome back to the Unplanned Podcast! Yay!

Today, we are joined by Jess and Gabriel Conti. Can we just give it up for Jess and Gabe? Let's go. Do you ever go by Gabe and Jess? No. Oh yeah, I just thought about that. Well, to me, you are Matt and Abby. Exactly.

No one ever says Abby and Matt. Yeah. Yeah, so we, I think when we were making the channel, we were like, is it Gabriel and Jess or Jess and Gabriel? It doesn't even really kind of flourish. It just flows the tongue. Wow. Because Jess and Gabriel. It doesn't even roll kind of floors. It just flows the tongue. Wow. Because Jess and Gabriel, like why Matt and Abby, you know what I mean?

Oh yeah. You know, I really, yeah, I really don't know. It flows better, like to say Abby and Matt. Abby and Matt. Oh true. I think it's better to have this shorter syllable name first and then the longer one after. That's really.

Matt and Abby kind of just like flows is one thing. So that's my, if you want to start a YouTube channel, we're just going to pick after. That's really good. Man, Nabi, kind of just like, flows as one thing. So that's my, if you want to start a YouTube channel, we're just going to pick another, that's my advice. My favorite, you'll blow up my promise. You're a hacker at Couples Vlog. Yeah, that's my lesson number one. Oh my gosh, you guys, if you don't know Justin Gabe, they are OG YouTubers.

I feel like you guys pioneered the couples, like, vlogging era of YouTube. And away. I do know there were other channels who were doing couple content before. Not necessarily vlogging, but maybe there was like other couple stuff. I think channels.

I do. Yeah, I prank versus prank, or they were boyfriend versus girlfriend or whatever. And there was like, you know, the Shay Tards. Like they were family channels. Shay Tards, I've literally never heard of. They were like real OG. They're like OG before like, like there were family channels. Shay Tards, I've literally never heard of. They were like real OG. They're like the OG before like us OGs.

But like, those are like family channels or couple channels. I'm pretty sure we were the first name and name, like Jess and Gabriel channel. Wow. You guys like started the whole like couple of of the name and the name. Like Jack and Sam or what, like you literally started that.

I don't know. We didn't think too hard about it. We were just like, yeah, we'll name the channel Jess and Gabriel, but like going back, there was, it was just like the daily vlogging era when like the Paul's blew up and like that whole thing. A lot of like my generation of viner started vlogging as well because I started on on Vine before. So we were like, oh, let's vlog and we'll just do it together and call it Jess and Gabriel. So there wasn't like a big scheme to do that, but like looking back on it, I think we were the first. Yeah, it's just weird to talk about. I'm like, yeah, that's the point.

You guys were influencers before. There was even the word influencer, right? Right? Sure. I'll take it. I don't know how I was going with that. Who said it was? It just I'll take it. I was going with that. Who said it was? It just started a couple channels. Gaves. It was right before we got engaged. And I think that was a big reason, but you obviously never told me that because I didn't know that we were getting engaged.

Yeah, so the reason we started it was because I was planning to propose to her and I was going to film it and never make a little video out of it. And I was like, it's weird if we posted on her channel because we both had separate channels at the time. I was like, it's weird if we posted on her channel because I made the video. But then it's weird if I posted just on my channel, maybe. So I was like, let's just start a channel together.

So then I kind of scheme those like, just we should start a couple of channels. So we had a few vlogs on it before we posted the engagement video. Wow. Yeah. So it was like, I steamed that part. What did your families think of you guys getting married at such a young age?

Wait, how old were you? I was 20. I was 22. Yeah, I was freshly 22, like two months before I turned 20. But like when you guys first met, you were 19 and then within a year, within a year of meeting, you were married, right? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

February to December. I don't know, I always say like my mom was so nice. I don't know, she, I remember sitting down with her and she was like, you know, you wanna marry him? Like, why would you wait? Like, why would you wait a longer year? Like, sorry, I had another year. We were doing long distance, like LA to Australia.

So long. That's crazy long distance. Yeah, it was. Times are in so it really hard and. We like wake up, like out in LA, I'd wake up and then have a few hours to like talk with her. We're like, we'd have a phone call or something and then I'd go my whole day without talking to her

and then at night we'd have a little bit to talk and then I'd go sleep. So yeah, it was always just really encouraging my mom. I just remember it was like why why wait? She also told her mom the day that we met that she was going to marry me. Yeah I hear that so often. It's so strange. I didn't think that.

Yeah he didn't. I was just like I met a pretty girl sick. Oh that's kind of how I was too. Girls know. Yeah did you know? I honestly. I waited 13 long before he ever even noticed me. But then once within a month of us dating, I told my mom, I was like, mom, do you think Matt and I were married? She's like, I think so. Didn't you mean when

you were 13 though? We did. We did. We started dating. I was like, oh, why did you start dating? Gotcha. Okay. 13. That'd be counter. Yes, that one might need to be said. But knowing, oh, it's alright, what? No, I, well, because you guys were the only people you've ever been in a relationship with. Yeah. But then you said you have like kissed other people for acting rules, right?

Is that the thing? I mean, we really count our first kiss as each other. We're talking about us now, I wanna talk about you guys. But no mean, we really count our first kiss as each other. We're talking about us now. I wanna talk about you guys, but no, we really were like our first kiss. It was like the first kiss when we kissed our first. We're like an acting role. We had kiss for her. Yeah, yeah, we kissed and acting.

Oh, so your first kiss for her? You two kissed and acting. To each other. No, sorry. I explained that horribly. We did acting. And we kissed other people when we were acting. But our first, my very first kiss was like a legit first kiss

with Matt. Gotcha. On our first date. Ooh. I'm so curious, you guys. How did you know? How did you know when you were that long distance? Like, oh, this is the person.

Like your mom being like, well, if you know, you know, it's like you weren't even living in the same city. Like how did you know? I think he, I don't know. I don't mean to sound cliche, but like he was just different. I'd never met someone like him and we shared the exact same values.

And also when I was little, I was like, I'm gonna marry an American one day. No way. Yeah, I was obsessed with American accents. No, loved Americans. She had like an American pillow on her. American black pillow on her. American flag sweater, like I loved America. And now you're an American American. And now you're

an American. Let's give it up for Jill. She's American. Thank you. How does it feel to be an American? Free. Free. So free. Now okay answer this question, answer this question and better answer the correct answer. Okay. Which country is better? America. Oh my god. America. Jess, we trained for this. This was part of your citizenship test. Wait, can we ask you to go back to that?

America is the best. Which, which? Best number one country. Before we get into that though, I think it's so funny. You mentioned American accents. I never think of us as having accents. That's an ego-centric. And we're so funny. And every time we hear an Australian accent, Abby is like I never think of us as having accents. That's how you go sent your arms to America. And we're so funny.

Is every time we hear an Australian accent, Abby is like, I think they're faking it. It does sound real. Me? I don't believe it. No, but like Abby. I love it. That's I'm like, there's no way someone talks like this 24-7. But she's like, half-shelking half-year is like, I'm like, Abby, like, you understand

people in different parts of the world. I'm always waiting for people with Australian accents to slip like break It's like I knew you were faking it this whole time like proof Can we hear your best American accent and fresh it's so good Can you you need me like a line to say? Let's go to Starbucks and Tan at the beach. Let's go to Starbucks You got it. Okay, you're an American now. Let's go. Let's go to Starbucks and Tanana the Beach. Let's go to Starbucks. Oh. That was so good. Wow, you got it, baby. You got it.

You're an American now, let's go. Let's go to Starbucks and Tana the Beach. Oh, that was good. Can we just give it up for that? It's okay, baby. That was so good. That's my wife, everybody. You could act.

You could play American roles. It blows me away when you want to know something. What? She was asked to audition for a Netflix role for a thing. Meanwhile, I'm the actor. I'm like, can I get a Netflix audition? Please, someone. She gets called for random Netflix audition.

And I had just had my wisdom teeth taken out. So I literally couldn't actually do the self tape. And then she was all swollen. No, I was like, hey, I could have coach you and you could have become a star, you know, that was really that was actually really impressive Oh, thank you. Yeah, no, it's good. You want to try and Australian? Oh my gosh. That's gonna be so bad Should we try yeah, I feel like I blend British and Hey, oh my gosh, sometimes I Here what I say to my art Tyler all the time as I go and oh go up. No, that's British. That's that's British

And you know or the parts of the Caribbean Listen else trillion. Yeah, can you give me a saying can you give me something? Can I have a glass of water? Can you say it in a was that the Australian accent? Yeah, I have a glass of water Oh, frick. I honestly I don't even want to do it at this point. I have a glass of water. Just close your eyes and go for it. Can I have glass of water? I can't do it.

I'm done. I'm done. You're like cockney. Gonna have a glass of water, mate. Like my friend, lady. Yeah. OK. The prime is fine.

Yeah. I'm going to do this off camera. I'm going to embarrass myself. That's the shower smile. I was like, oh, I have a glass of water. I have these myself. That's the shower tomorrow. I was like, I have a grunt. Oh, Abby's way better at accessing that. I feel like you should have definitely taken that.

I can't, I can't understand it. Just say what you said. One more time. Can I have a glass of water? Can I have a glass of water? What? Better. It was better. Better than his.

Better than that. Yeah. Glass of water. It's very like a lazy. How Yeah glass of water. It's very lazy. Oh Water The crocodile hunter guy you got it. Oh him Like Steve Irwin. Yeah, Steve. Oh and Dad with a crox in the swamp. What can views me? Don't the ours kind of sound like are do you think my accent was good? My Australian that was pretty good. I was like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, Abby, Abby wanted me to say that she's like, you need to tell people that I have a migraine.

No, people always are like, Abby's so sad. I'm like, I just don't know sometimes how to like, you chipper for real. Abby doesn't give it as, okay. Abby doesn't put on for anyone. Abby just is chasing herself. She's just back. I'm extremely unfriendly person. That's it.

Yeah. Okay. Anyway. You're an American citizen now. What. That too. OK, anyway. You're an American citizen now. What was that process like? I have to ask, because you've been trying to be going through this process for a long time. Really long time, yeah. I guess seven years was the time of time.

Seven years. Yeah. So first, when I moved here, we had an attorney that made a couple mistakes. So it prolonged that, like getting my green card. So then it took two and a half years for me to get my green card. And then that was amazing. After you're married to it.

Why do I think that when you got married, you just became an American citizen. They want to prove that you're doing it not for the wrong intentions. So there's like a really long waiting process. Have you seen the proposal? Yeah, yeah, kind of like that. Wow, okay. So anyway, we went able to travel back to Australia during that time.

So that was like super hot for me and my family. But then I got my green card. Oh, two years, you couldn't go back. Two and a half years, you're kidding. So well, what was crazy was two and a half years. Yeah, from when we got married to when she finally got a green card was two and a half years, she couldn't leave the country. It was like way more details on why, but that's the short version.

And then, but that was like summer of 2019, we finally went back to Australia and then like eight months later, COVID hit. So it was like, we got to travel there twice in those eight months. And then we couldn't travel back there for like another year and a half. It was, it's been tough. Yeah. But yeah, then my Tony helped me with the citizenship. I had to study 100 questions.

So I know a lot about America. Wow. I guarantee we would fail it. Yeah. Why? You guys should take the test. You probably believe it. Wait, what's one of the questions?

I can send you a link. Just give him a question right now. Thought quiz. No, I'm on the spot. Do you remember? There's a bunch of like, why does the flag have 50 stars? And why does it? Some of it's very easy and then others, it's like you need to know the names of your representatives

and the governor. What are the three branches of government? Yeah. Tertiary. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. government. Yeah. Torsheery. Do you actually know the three branches of government?

We're legislative judicial and freaking crap. This is so bad. We're gonna be like these people are. It is. Um, legislative judicial because it legislative is like Congress. They draft the law. If judicial would be the Supreme Court and then executive the president. Executive, right? Exactly. Exactly. You passed. Fourth grade. I think we had a genius over here.

Okay. Let's not test us because I would fail it. Yeah. Okay. Next question. Okay. All right. You're an American now.

Yeah. What? Hold up. So getting married like sealed the deal or like was it going to happen anyway if you weren't getting married? Be becoming an American citizen? Yeah, I guess that's oh, so that started the process You were getting married because you actually Yeah, so like how do you go about proving that to the government? Oh my gosh, you have a big further album

Could you send them a link to your YouTube channel? Oh my god. I think we did yeah Possibly I think but you have to like, like screenshot text messages. No, email or something. Oh, it's a very personal. Creepy actually. Yeah. The amount of stuff they need to see to be like, okay, I'm actually shocked.

It's crazy. So this 90 day fiance stuff is not, is that what that's about? Yeah. Is it different over just different countries? Yeah. Well, I guess, I mean, because you could get engaged. Oh, but is it, they get engaged in 90 days or they get?

I don't even know. I don't even know. I don't really. You had to literally send texts, being like proving that you guys like love each other. Texts, furtors of me with his family, him with my family, like wedding invitations with both of our names on it.

Like, you know, invited to events together. It's like anything, even I guess like, incurrences or like different like, big things with our names on it. Don't count things that we have. Like do we have bank accounts together, stuff like that? It's such a hot process and like a very long and a very expensive process.

I was gonna ask, yeah, like you have to pay for all this. How much do you think that like literally costs? Oh, I don't remember. Well, with our attorney, we spent more money to get a better attorney after our first one. So we were kind of like really scarred and we were like, we need to get a really good attorney. So we paid a lot more than someone could pay

if they do it themselves, which you can do it yourself, but then you're also like, you have to like study like crazy to understand how it works, what the laws are. Yeah, it's pretty nuts. So I don't even know. Thousands, I don't know. These are thousands of dollars. But that's with the attorney as well involved.

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Because you don't have any family from Australia that's moved out, right? Not yet. Wow. raising your child without your family here, because you don't have any family from Australia that's moved out, right? Not yet. Wow. Yeah, it's really hot. And you know, we're in Nashville, Gabe's family's also in South Florida. So we're away from birth families.

It's really hot. My dream is for them to move, for everyone to move. But I think it just makes the trips that we have together really special. And like, I know it's hard for them now that we have a daughter like they want to see her every single day, but they FaceTime, they literally think it is for FaceTime. I don't know what we would do without it. And yeah, they take trips as much as they can, but it's really difficult. But we're really lucky that moving to Nashville, we found such great community who also like

moved from their families. So we're kind of like, we're all a family. Which is really sweet. Yeah. Why not, but it's cool. Like what was it about the city that drew you here? Cowboys and country music, baby. What else?

In my cube, it's in my Cuban blood. You guys have cowboy hats and cowboy boots. No, she got her... I just got cow go boots. I mean, but like a cheap Amazon pair. Yeah, they watch really cowboy boots. But they're still cute, but I feel like officially now. Cowboys.

We lived in LA for a few years together, which is great for our work, great for entertainment. But we didn't see ourselves raising a family there, and then so we were like, okay, where else would we go if it wasn't LA, and so that's why we moved to Florida, which is why Gabe's family is. Yeah, but that was weird moving back to family.

I was like, not moving back to family, it was a different thing. No, not to family, not to family, to where I grew up. Yeah, it would have been, I don't know, six or seven years since I moved out at like 19. Going back after that much time was like, it was kind of hard to like acclimate to where I grew up again. And then, and Jess wasn't fully enjoying it down there and we were like, okay, if we leave where else would we go. But we'll see.

But we'll see. Sorry, can you, down in Florida, we were missing that entertainment. We really felt like, I don't know, at this job, it's so nice to be around other people who do it. And like, yeah, there's just not a creative, no creative industry. I mean, some in Miami, but we weren't even in Miami.

So like, we were trying to, we thought, I don't know, it felt really isolated. I always loved Nashville. There's also so many Australians here. I don't know if you've met any other Aussies yet, but so random, so many Australians here. So that's been amazing for me as well. But yeah, Nashville always felt like homey to me. And so I brought it up, but Gabe was kind of always like, why would we move to Nashville, like literal, like Cowboys? That's a big deal.

I was like, Cowboys and Country music. What is in Nashville? Other than that, you know? But there's actually so much entertainment here. So we find that it's like the perfect balance of like having a really good family life, but also like being involved in entertainment in that world. Yeah, it's like one of the best places

to raise a family, which is really good. Yeah, I've heard a lot of people from LA moving out here. Yeah, because they're still entertainment, but it's just safer and you can really raise a family well. You can buy like some land, so your kids can have a yard. You know what I mean?

So it's like, I don't know, it's just different. We love it, you should move. If you guys, you're in a bowl yet, you guys like that needing bowl riding or anything like that Apparently you can do you can do that in Arizona. There's there's a rodeo. That makes sense in Arizona It's 45 minutes north, but like that's how this is like country too, bro Like I feel like you could totally read a bowl. I'm sure there's a place probably 30 minutes from here that they would let you hop on a bowl I probably wouldn't do that Just but I would go to like like you know go to Broadway. Yeah, that's probably something like a there's like a little one of the fake Yeah, one of the electric ones have you done one of those? No, I haven't but I'm really fun. They're hard

You think it'd be easy to be like oh I've been riding the lecture ball No, it's freaking hard and you can up the setting too I've done it before so I'm like an expert I'm just taking you for a lie off. How long did you last? Probably like 10 seconds No, they can't crank me up Yeah, no, we went to school in Southern Missouri, which is like so close to the south and everyone there Everyone there has a fake country I've got it right now

Nice and they, and there's a bunch of rodeo places So we've said that they have fake accents there I was joking I know, country has pretty nice. And there's a bunch of rodeo places, so we, I'm pretty sick. But you said that they have fake accents there? I was joking. I mean, we would tease people because like some kids, like, we're like, you're from Missouri, dude. Like, you're not, you're not the southern, but they'd be like, they'd be like, howdy y'all, you know?

Okay, well that reminds me of Outback State House. Have you been to Outback State House? Do you know what that is? Yes, I know Outback, yeah. I think I've been. Yeah, it's like an Australian restaurant, and it's so not an Australian restaurant. Oh, really?

And I think the one time we went in, they were like trying to speak Australian and I was like, you're not feeling me, you're not. That's like they broke, their accents. Oh yeah. I was looking for it. Yeah. You should do that, fake.

I really thought I was getting authentic. Oh yeah. I really experienced there, so I'm really disappointed. Yeah, it's pretty, yeah. Well, they have this thing called like, Tumba Salmon or something. And Tumba is a. So I'm really disappointed. Yeah, it's pretty, uh, well, they have this thing called like to Womba Salmon or something. And to Womba is a city that I grew up in that is not near the ocean.

And so it's like, where are they getting to Womba Salmon from? Yeah, it's so fun. It's so fun. It's so fun. When I think about people, like when I think about Australia, I think of beaches, but where do you then?

Lendware. I was, I was probably like two hours from the beach. I lived in a couple different cities, but yeah, I wanted to two hours. Okay. But Australia is like, Marseille beach. Like everyone just loves the beach. What would you say like living in both countries now? Like what do you like about Australia? And then what do you like about America? Like comparing and contrasting? Well, you chose to have your baby there. I did. Yeah.

Yeah, what was part of that decision? Um, I, the main decision, like the main factor was I wanted to be with my family. Okay. Um, like I couldn't imagine doing that, like without my mom and my dad and my sister and my brother. Yeah, and it was like their first, their parents first. That's great job. So, um, what did you have in the room? I'm curious. Just gave. Okay. Yeah. You looking at them. You too. Yeah. I took up the whole room baby. It's so hard because I feel like I'm like my mom and my sister would have been so good in the room but it's also such like an intimate moment that was really special just the two of us.

I don't think I'm in for a little bit. After the birth? No no before. Oh you're right. Yeah. We're not like for the moment. So what was the experience like in Australia versus like probably what you've heard about like the experience in the US? Yeah, pretty different. I think the main thing was that it was free. That is awesome. It didn't like that's the Hell of a joke that yeah, it didn't cost us anything. I mean you didn't cost us a point to Australia. Yeah, and back okay, Okay, which is expensive. That is expensive actually. But yeah, I had an incredible experience. We had like a midwife program within the hospital. So I had midwives and yeah, I like literally had the best time. They brought in a tub for me because I wanted to have a water bath, but I had some complications

so I didn't end up doing that. But it was incredible. The only thing is, I don't know what end up doing that, but it was incredible. The only thing is, I don't know what happened with you guys, but Gabe wasn't allowed to stay the night, the night that Mackay was born. Wait, what? I would have been in so nervous. I was so nervous.

I like barely slept. Well, I mean, I left at like, wait, like 10 maybe, 10 people? No, it was later than that. It was like, I was like, I was supposed to make that. No, because like Abby was cheated. I was getting up with our newborn like every hour when he'd wake up. So you were doing that all by yourself.

Yes. Yeah. I don't think I slept. And but then he came in like first thing in the morning, but it was still like, alarming enough. Yeah. Like visiting hours open at five. So it was like I left out a little. Well, I think I was supposed to leave out 11, but like I kind of push it. I think I left a little bit after 11. Yeah. And then I was awake hours open at five, so I was like, I left out a little, well, I think I was supposed to leave out 11, but I kind of pushed it. I think I left a little bit after 11. And then I was awake at like four in the morning to head back to the whole world. I wonder why that is. Yeah, they told us, and I think it's to protect

the women on the floor. Like, I guess you don't know. Like, who's coming in, that could be wrong. But I really don't know. The rule was just like no one stays. Yeah, I don't know. The rule was just like no one stays. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah.

It might have had like incidents where like guys like staying there is like search wandering and walking through a room. Yeah. That's crazy though. I feel like the first night is the hardest. Yeah. It was the second night.

Oh, actually it was the second night. That was hard. But the first time it's so super hard. And doing that alone, it was just nerve-wracking. But one, right? That was hard. But the first time it's so super hard. And doing that alone, oh my god. But again, the nurses were incredible. They say they came in, I've probably every hour, and I could just cool them, and they helped me with stuff. So I wasn't alone, but I definitely

like gave had a full bag packed and stuff, and they're like, sorry, you're gonna have to get hurt. It was so weird. Yeah. Oh, you didn't know that you had an afternoon. Oh, yeah, I was ready to stay the night. And then there were like, so you'll have to leave around 11 and I was like, what?

Oh, that would piss. That would have put me in a tail spray. Yeah. Was that you had to your hospital? Or was, is that all of Australia across the board? I have seen some comments from other Australians saying, like, oh, my hospital like does allow that. So it was probably the hospital that I was in.

There's also, there's like private and public hospitals there. Yeah. So it's like we were the public hospital that was free. And private would probably have their different rules. If you like use, I don't know, you can have like your own private insurance. So there's like the public and private system there that's separated.

Yeah, it's very different than here. It's been a learning curve for me coming here. Yeah. It's so different. I'm having a learning curve figuring out how to insurance on my own. I've been here for so long. You guys have been the biggest nightmare.

Just being an adult. We've had so many issues. We've been an adult, man. Yeah, because like, you know, being self-employed, we got our own insurance and then they denied all the claims we've made videos about it. Yeah, I think it's very different. But I'm just saying.

But I'm just saying. I think it's between pregnancies that when our insurance didn't go through, the original bill was $83,000. Yeah, I had a infordry in between pregnancies that when our insurance didn't go through, the original bill was $83,000. Like, what? I saw you price that. Yeah, it was, it's insane, you guys. So like,

And everyone from other countries was laughing. I mean, the comments on it. I know, it's true. No, all the comments are from people in other countries because they're like, this is ridiculous. Like, how is it this? Like, people always talk about how America is so good and then it's like, well, the healthcare

can be a little bit messy. But it's not because of the healthcare workers. We love them. Oh, yeah. No, but what's annoying is it feels like insurance is it's like they can charge whatever they want. Oh, yeah. They're not insurance.

Like hospitals can charge whatever they want because they can insurance covers it. But then if something happens, then you're stuck with this like crazy huge bill that it doesn't happen. That's exactly what happened for the birth of our first son. And so yeah, it was just crazy. But that's not really a fun talk.

Yeah, yeah. We can pivot. Let's just detour. But America is the best country in the world, right, Jess? Have you seen those videos people making TikTok? And they're like, I love China, China's the best. Like they're trying to like, get some algorithm in their videos, like, I love you China. Oh my god like they're trying to like, get that algorithm, algorithm for the video. Like, I love you, China.

Oh my gosh. The social credit score. We don't have TikTok. Oh my gosh, yes. Okay, I know and I've heard in Australia you call McDonald's Macas. Oh yeah, Macas Bay. So is that so weird to you when you were like,

what the freak is McDonald's? You know? No, because we call it Barth. Oh, you do. Yeah, yeah. Is it still that, did they literally spell it mac is like they spell it like Yeah, the the at on like Instagram or Twitter or whatever is at M a CC a.s But we don't even like cool it McDonald's as well the sign still says McDonald's yeah, wow yeah, but

Burger King What about is not Burger King bagging in Australia is But Burger King, what about it? Is not Burger King. Burger King in Australia is a hungry jacks baby. What? What? Wait, is not a pancake brand here? Wait, yeah, this literally is.

Is it? That's a bread of pancakes. Is it bread? I hate those growing up. Hungry jacks, they make pancakes and stir it up. You guys have ever heard of this? No, probably. They're from Australia.

That looks like a conflict. That's funny. But what's funny is it's the same logo. Yeah. I'm gonna set a burger king. It's hungry jacks. That's funny. But what's funny is it's the same logo. Yeah. I'm gonna set a burger king. It's hungry jacks. That's hilarious. Well, and then what is the Durnup place here?

What don't, Krispy Kreme? No, the other one. Or Duncan. Duncan. Isn't that the same logo as the other Durnup place in Australia? Durnup King. Do you have Durnup King? No.

Okay, I think Durnup King is. I don't know about that one. Maybe it's on the kangaroos. I found a bad fact-fired trainer on that. Yes, wait actually. Oh, yeah It's like it's like deer here. No, if you're like out and there's like deer around or whatever It's like you can just have kangaroos. I would have huge kangaroos in my friend yod all the time Walla bees are smaller. Are they dangerous? What's a wallaby a walla bees like a small civilized kangaroo?

It's like a different, the domesticated one. Yes, I've literally never been a wallaby. Really? Wait, you know what, I heard a wallaby back then. I don't know what it looks like. I don't know what I've thought they were. Like a kangaroo.

Okay, they're literally kangaroos, but like, it's kind of like, if you compare like a deer that's here in Tennessee, that's kind of like more dainty or whatever, to like a reindeer. That's like a massive. Because I saw some videos of kangaroos where they look. They're like, they go to the gym.

They go to the gym. I know you guys aren't on TikTok, but I've seen so many TikToks of like kangaroos fistfiting each other. And like people like, welcome to the day in the life of an Australian college student. They show like massive pythonsons going around in the grass, and then there's kangaroos, and then massive creepy, transula spiders. Do you think you're gonna die all the time

when you live there? But every single American does ask me that, because I think that's what they see. They're like, oh my God, what about the spiders? Well, to be fair fair to us stupid Americans. There is Apparently allegedly don't fact check Persuadely per square foot or whatever per square meter because Australian things per square meter

There's more things that can kill you per square meter in Australia than anywhere else in the world. No way. Let's move there. Bro, it's crazy. It's like you're fighting for your faith in Australia. But seriously, I had a friend, like in Missouri, like one of my friends in college is like, dude, I'm going to move to Australia after college. Like, I heard it's dope.

It's the best place in the world. Then when we lived in Hawaii, we had friends that were like, dude, you got to go to Australia. It's so cool. The surfing is amazing. Yeah. So, I've heard so many good things. So, then I'm like, dude, you gotta go to Australia. It's so cool, the surfing's amazing. So I've heard so many good things. So then I'm like, why did you leave? If it's this paradise. Literally, you're looking at them.

Australia truly is such an incredible place. And I just wish it was closer. Like now I love, like our life here, I love Nashville, love our community. But Australia is just insane. Like it's beautiful. Everyone's laid back and friendly and I love the food. The beaches there are like gorgeous.

I know you lived in Hawaii so they're gorgeous too, but Australia's like at the top. I see like Hawaii is beautiful and then our friends in Hawaii were raving on Australia. So I know it must be incredible. Did you surf at all growing up? Or I know you didn't grow up by the beach. I boogie boarded.

Nice. That's Abby. She's a pro boogie boarder. Oh, let's go. I'm really not a pro. I've seen pictures of you boogie boarding. It's like you're pretty good. So to go back to things that can kill you,

you don't. There's a season. I don't know what the season is, but it's called a box jellyfish. They're really tiny. Oh, yeah, they talk about those and why? You can just get them away from the family. They're really tiny, but they can kill you if you get stunned. You'll just die.

So you have to not, I don't know if it's instantly. Don't fact-track me, but but no but you can allegedly they kill you According to the jellyfish So they there's like a season where they're like migrating or something What and you have to if to go into the water you have to like wear like full-white suits so they don't sting your skin. Yeah, it's crazy But Other than the greatest place on earth. The merrier than the United States of America.

That's crazy. What do you think about this? Is there a stigma about Americans in Australia? Are people like they're so dumb? They think America is the best. It's not. What do people think about Americans? Yeah.

I feel like- I feel like- I'm sure you see a lot of dudes in Nashville wearing like a tank top with an American flag on it and they're driving a black truck with blacked out tinted windows, you know, like what do you think about that? Americans are just so American, like that's the main, they're just. I'm proud to be an American. I'm actually a little American

Our friend we have been Frickated up No, this man is dead and gave their life We saw my gun and stand up Man, see you We're not playing my arm, man I'm so sorry, that's my favorite I'm sorry, we should do a duet

We could do a singing duet We could do like a singing duet. We could start a boy band called the daddy. The daddy. So proud. So if you did not listen to Jessie's podcast, that will literally make no sense. So you can't listen to it. The boy band technically already started there.

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like it's the second largest country in the world. They're like, that is the most American thing you've said I'm like, what are you? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, were you asking big population size or big like geographically? I didn't specify, but I think in my head I was thinking yeah, I was thinking. Yeah, they're like, it's massive.

Yeah, it's Russia, then Canada, then us I think. Oh, that's pretty crazy. Really? I think so. Yeah. Well, the reason is because we have Alaska, that's like literally half the size of the US or something like that. Yeah, that's crazy.

How big Alaska is. It's really big. And why add to it of a U.S. or something like that. Yeah, it's crazy. How big Alaska is. Really big. And why adds to it to you? Yeah, barely. Barely. Oh. Sorry. Just we say that.

I know. When we moved to Hawaii, I'm sorry. No, no, no, no, go ahead. I want to hear. No, no, no, I really guess. Okay, fine, I'll go. Don't worry guys. We know you'll go.

No, I was just going to say Americans ask me very funny things, kind of like that. Like, I get a lot, like we don't celebrate Thanksgiving and that like shocks a lot of people. And it is so funny here in America. It's different since. Why don't you celebrate Thanksgiving? And it's like because the pilgrims didn't show up on the shores of Australia and break

bread with the Indigenous people of Australia. Yeah, and like our seasons are obviously opposite. So you know, now we're going in to winter, they're going into summer. It's just like, that is crazy to me. The fact that Christmas is a summer holiday. A hot day. In wild.

It's weird. Wait, that's really weird. So do you, do people decorate Christmas trees? Are like set like Christmas movies that you watch are set in the winter? No, how does that work logistically? Are you guys watching people in the summertime? Like oh, Merry Christmas Singing Christmas caricles on the beach Christmas carols I love I love a good caricle They got me going it's been a long day.

Don't know. He's done's crying. Okay. Wow, we need to pull it back. It's pulling back guys. Abby's favorite things when I mess up a word and I just completely botched it Well the funny thing is you set it like you like double down like three times

Okay, so Christmas Like did they make their own movies there? Are you guys just watching all the traditional American films, like The Grinch, you know? Yeah, we watched American movies. Like, we know that. She's a big Grinch girlie. Yeah, I love The Grinch, I love Hermelone. Like, my dream was always to have a white Christmas,

but like, white Christmas for us is like, sand at the beach, because it's so hot. Oh, yeah. But then we moved to Tennessee which knows like a few inches once every you know two times yeah three times every winter. There was snow the week of Christmas last year. Our first Christmas here was I almost didn't wasn't able talk. Our first Christmas year was a white Christmas. And, both of our families came into town, while I was still like, I had all my family

from Florida, her family from Australia. It's really cool. It's really cool. It's really cool. It's really cool. It's really cool. That makes you want to cry. That's sweet.

It's really great. Yeah, because your families probably don't get to see each other a lot. Like, no, it was the first time the families had like fully been together since our wedding. It's been wedding. Six years before. Whoa, that's really weird to think about.

Is that probably your wedding day super special too? Because it was like everyone combining, which for everyone that's special, but especially because of the distance you guys had. Oh yeah, it was, it was a fun time. Our families, I would say the opposite. Like my family's very like chill laid back, loves like sitting around a piano and singing

and playing board games and his family's like, I laid back, loves sitting around a piano and singing and playing board games. And his family's like, I can't love family. I'm not a psychopath. No, no, is that what you left Florida right away? You got to get the free got to here. We got to leave. He's payable.

I don't remember them. But it was sweet, like the time when they all left. Yeah, no, my family's great. They're just very, like, there's like American loud, which is like its whole own thing. And then there's like, Latino, Latin America people loud. And there, it's like the amount of interrupting that happens in conversation.

Like you will, if there's like a family get together in order to speak and like, like add to any conversation that's happening, you have to like, like so loudly interrupt whoever's talking to like say anything. It's actually crazy. Get a horn. And it's literally.

One of the funniest things though is once like Jess joined the family, they were like, she doesn't interrupt. This is brilliant. We need to learn how to do this. So like my dad, like, I was not so new. He like, he like, capped an interruptor of is brilliant. We need to learn how to do this. So like my dad, like, he like, capped an interruptor of the family. But and whenever someone interrupts anything, he like calls him out. He's like, guys, we don't interrupt anymore. He's like, don't interrupt

me. You know, you know, it's like, you are very soft spoken and peaceful. Oh, yeah, it was definitely different for them, but I'm proud. So the Abby sat on her way here, she was like, you know, I'm hoping with this conversation with Jessica, I can become more like Jess because I'm... She's so tall and like... That's really sweet. You're so sweet. I'm just too... Sassy.

Nouria not? You don't have... It's... How day has been really busy. I feel like you've been sassy. Yeah. Thank you. It's only to Matt. Actually, no. It's kind of a been really I feel like events asking yeah, thank you. It's only to Matt Actually, no, it's kind of a little bit

Yeah I'm not gonna see the wrong thing right now. I am yeah America is the best kitchen. Yeah, um, okay Um, I like totally had a question for you and I forgot about oh yes Do you do you speak Spanish like growing up in Florida Florida I feel like I know people in Miami like everyone speaks Spanish Yeah, so I lived in my I was born in Miami and live there. Tell us five Spanish was my first language What but no way and stop speaking it to me in the house when we moved farther north in Florida, okay? Like once you leave Miami and you get to like I don't know for a lot of know I don't know, the Fort Lauderdale,

I don't know if you know these places. This is like an hourish north of Miami. Okay. Where it's mostly English. I mean, there's still a bunch of Spanish-ish. Yeah. Like if you're, like there's people, a lot of people there speak Spanish.

But like Miami, you'll walk into certain like, stores and like, they don't speak English. They speak Spanish. So, they're like restaurants and stuff. So I spoke Spanish first language, but then I forgot a lot of it. So I'm able to kind of get by in conversation if I need to, but I'm not fully fluent.

He definitely understands. I feel like you understand everyone when they speak Spanish. I can understand American speaking Spanish. Okay. Because it's actually slower. Ah, okay. We're like, I'll hear so my family's,

all my dad's side is Cuban. If I hear Cuban people speaking Spanish to each other, they're speaking like a million words a minute and I'm like, my brain can't process Spanish as quickly as they speak It's pretty crazy. So it like depends and then Spanish is really different and different like Spain Spanish is a lot different than Mexico Spanish so it's like I Understand like Americans, but this like hearing my family speak. It's like Cuban South Florida Spanish. Mm-hmm

I can get by a lot easier than even like hearing Like people in California talk who are like Mexican if that makes sense Did you plan on teaching your daughter Spanish? I was gonna add that We want to but the issue is to teach her we would probably have to know more than Yeah, I was gonna ask you were homeschooled. I was homeschooled. So do you think you're homeschooled? Mekaya. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I was homeschooled. So do you think you'll homeschool Makaya?

I think so. Yeah. Yeah. It just had such an incredible high school experience. You were homeschooled through high school too. Yeah, so I went to school in first and second grade. And then my mom pulled me and my older brother out. He was in third and fourth grade.

But like, we kind of grew up like twins. So she pulled us out and then we finished all the way through elementary, middle high school together. Wow. We're doing, yeah. You loved it? It was great. Yeah, so I like, it was really cool as I was part of, so we had, let's call it a co-op, so we were part of a community once a week, kind of like college.

We went to classes every, like, you know, I took my math in English and everything like that. One day, it was a Thursday Thursday and then we left and did our homework throughout the week but then also at like part of this same community there was the theater group that met on Friday. So like on Friday for the whole day for the most part was doing drama. Wow. So then I do my homework like Monday, Tuesday Tuesday Wednesday and then a full day of like school Thursday and then go for my theater stuff on On Friday and it's so emotional. No, I'm just trying not to burp

Cuz that chick's a lady we have before Doesn't sound incredible there doing homework Monday through Wednesday, but wait. Yeah, what. But what was sick about it is I was like, because I was homeschooled, I wasn't just sitting in classes all day and then doing the homework at night every day. So we didn't have homework at night because we just did it during the day. So it's kind of like college where if you planned

you're doing your homework at right, you can hang out with people at night. Yeah. I mean, that's not always a case at college. Like you're studying like crazy for tests and different stuff like that. But you can kind of manage your time. You can manage your own time.

So like we were learning to manage our time in middle school when like people who go to normal school don't really manage their time until they're 18 in college. So like I was like 12 learning to like do my own schedule and like get my stuff done. But what was cool was like, it was like, oh Monday nights we'd go bowling. Just the friends because we didn't have homework at night. So it's like, oh, that'd be a thing that we just go bowling together. And those are friends who are like home school as well?

Yeah, it was all from this like this Thursday Friday, co-op and theater group. And we all got really tight. And then we'd hang out throughout the weekend stuff like that. Like so awesome. It is really sweet. Oh, what do you think kids doing a lot of homework? Yeah, proven through like studies really.

Really? Yeah. What do you think about this? Don't check you. I'm sure you can probably find studies for both of us. I know there's a saying about home schoolers like being weird. I don't think you're I think you're actually like way cooler than me. I was telling you could probably find studies for both of us. I know there's a stigma about homeschoolers being weird. I don't think you're actually way cooler than me. I was telling you this earlier, I'm like, you dress so cool.

Just for my ears and LA. And I feel like I'm the nerd hanging out with the cool kid. In high school, I've lunch. It's like we totally like are. We're the cool kid in high school. Yeah, we're the cool homeschooler. I guess, but this is the thing is like. You definitely would have answered.

Sorry guys, no, but I, I like everyone kind of hung out together ish. Like, you know, there's the people who were like, very, I don't want to say nerdy, because that sounds wrong, but like, they had a hard time socializing. Yeah. Which you would have in any normal school too, there's people who just like, it's tougher for them to socialize

But like for us it was like I'm doing theater and my friends in my theater group are like me and my brother are wrestling at So we also were wrestling so I would every three to five every day I had wrestling practice to at a local school that allowed us to it was a church we went to to okay, but they had a school That we also wrestled that so I was doing sports every day, theater and the co-op thing. So in this theater group, it's like me and my brother were like wrestlers at this school. One of our best friends was the quarterback at the school as well,

but he's also homeschooled doing theater with us. Another friend of ours is like played baseball. So it's like kind of like a mishmosh of people who were like, you know, the theater kids, some of the sports kids, people from different sports that like probably wouldn't socialize, and it was like kind of a mishmosh of like, like people who wouldn't normally in a normal school socialize together.

But like we all became best friends. It was a really cool experience growing up. Yeah. It's neat that you could do theater and wrestle and it seems like you're more free to just do whatever the heck you felt. Yeah, I You in a traditional school. I feel like you you would almost be pressured to choose one. There's too much. Yeah, I think there's too much peer pressure to like To a category category. Yeah, where it was really cool to kind of have that obviously I didn't know really at the time. Yeah, that

The experience I was having was like very unique. Yeah. But yeah, I was really cool. And here in Nashville, there's a lot of homeschool community here. So it's kind of a good place to like know what I know of the experience of doing that growing up and how we can like do that parenting.

Do you think there is ever a chance you guys would move to back to Florida or move back to Australia? Probably not Florida. Yeah, we. Unless it was like very specific circumstances. Right. We are so happy here in Nashville. It was always my dream, like my prayer

to move back to Australia, because I was just so homesick. I didn't, yeah, fully feel at home in LA, didn't fully feel at home in Florida. But my perspective has just changed, moving to Nashville. Like, we really feel at home here and I don't know, maybe like, if one day we can like, I don't get a holiday, how, like a vacation house in Australia, that'd be really fun. Yeah, that would be, we could definitely, like retire in Australia.

I consider spending a lot more time there when we have, I mean, who knows how many kids will have right now we only have one, but like, say we have three kids, once the youngest is like seven or eight and it's much easier to like travel than traveling with like young kids. Yeah. At that point, it could be like,

okay, we can maybe get a holiday house or something. Do you say holiday house? Do you guys say holiday house? Yeah. You switched to vacation? Yeah. I know it's like, oh, whatever. Vacation house.

Yeah. Over there, they call like they're like, oh, we're on, you know,'re on summer break, they're summer holidays. They call it holiday. They're just holidays. Holiday house just has a nice ring to it. That does the same. The alliteration is so good.

So yeah, I can see it then, but then also like thinking that far out, it's like pre-nose, which is gonna happen. Her whole family could move here. Yeah. And then it's like, we don't need to travel there to see her. Right. You know what I mean, so look who knows.

Who knows, you didn't know you were gonna live in Arizona. Exactly. Yeah. So you guys, you guys obviously just had a kid. And recently, I mean, with like just a few weeks after you guys had your first. Yeah. Which is crazy. That's insane.

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Now back to the episode. How did that picture. Yeah, oh my gosh. Take a picture no matter what. Now, back to the episode. How did that affect your relationship? Oh my gosh. I think ultimately brought us closer together in more in love. But the first couple weeks, as I'm sure it was with you guys, it was so hot and such an adjustment. I think it was the difference of the way we viewed each other,

was very, we just grew so much more respect for each other from our view of each other. But the intimacy of just being able to spend time together was what was strained, you know? And not getting any sleep, I think, just like, is such a struggle in the beginning and coming from two people who love Google Calendar and love routine. Routine is just totally thrown out the window when you have a newborn.

And so I remember like going on a walk to the river near where we were in Australia, talking about it because like we struggled so hard with like we struggled so hard without routine, and especially Gabe's day to day, especially in the beginning, I'm breastfeeding, and I think it was more of a hard thing for you to be like, what do I do? How do I help more than what is my routine? It looked like it was my day to day.

It looked like it was big struggle. Yeah, and then it was like, can I go to the gym when you need my help? Do you need my help during this part? And then it was like, can I like go to the gym? Oh yeah. When you're, you know, like do you need my help during this part? Or like if the baby naps for this period of time, can I go, or do you want me here to be around in case you wait except for something, you know, but I don't know. I was just like figuring all that out.

It was kind of like the whole schedule that we used to live by. It's like completely scrapped, starting it from square one. And then obviously that change is like every six weeks, there's like a new software update that the baby gets. And it's like, I get to get a sleep regression happens every other day. Yeah, here we go.

It's a roller crystal. How did that affect your mental health? Like having a whole entire new human introduced to the family. In postpartum. You're not sleeping. Yeah, postpartum. I don't know if you had any baby blues, Jess.

But yeah, what was that all like for you guys? I think it was my day three postpartum was the hardest for me. Hormones everywhere. I was so emotional. But then also, I had not to be a team, but I had one side to be a team, but I had like one side of engorgement. Like one side wasn't gorgeped so bad, and my pump wasn't working, and sorry, breastfeeding was difficult. Anyway, one side was super engorged, that it was

just like, you could tell something was wrong with it, and I ended up... It was kind of hilarious. I also thought it's so painful. It is. I was like, babe, she was so lazy. No, but it could have gotten to that point. And then I also thought my stitches had torn. So I ended up going back to the hospital and I just broke down.

Like I was such a mess that day. Yeah, there's a lot going on. So that is the day that sticks like in my memory of like baby blues or like being really hormonal and emotional. But I think in general in terms of mental health, it has just given me so much purpose. And I truly I think I'm the most confident that I have ever been. Like I don't know, I know that I'm a good mom. I know that I was like meant to be a mom and now looking at her and even in like appearance

wise, like if she has, say if she has like my eyes or my ears or something, it's like, that makes me love that about myself. So what about you? It's definitely given me, given me, just being a parent in general, not necessarily like timeline, it's just like given me so much more purpose. Being married is its own thing, and it's like, oh, I have a wife,

and we gotta provide, but I'm an influencer with an influencer wife who's making 10x what I make because brand deals go to girls, you know. So like, it's like, do I need to provide, you know? I'll just go work out at the gym. Yeah, it's like, I'll be a trophy husband, you're a wicket-free babe.

I'll cook the clean. Yeah, so like, there wasn't a lot of, I don't know, it's like, like, perp at once, once you have a baby, it's like, oh my gosh, there's just like my sense of like self-worth, honestly went up so much, because it's like, I know a huge reason of just why I'm here on this earth now, you know. What you know, you do before,

there's like all the things that you can tell yourself or whatever, but like you really feel it, you know, when there's someone who's reliant on you for everything, not just me, both of us, but reliant on us for everything. And I'm reading these parenting books and stuff like that, and just really understanding. As a dad, how much weight I have in raising, and how much, I don't know. I started reading this one book that it's called

Strong Father, Strong Daughters and just going through that really, it just made me feel so important, like an importance that I never felt before. Because a lot of, especially in today's culture, it's like trying to remove a lot of the differences between like moms and dads and stuff like that. And maybe it's not the popular thing to say, but it's cool seeing the differences that like Jess brings in, I bring to the table as parents and they're both great.

And I don't know. As a dad, I feel like I haven't heard a lot about of like what actually do you eye-bring or what what actually can I bring to the table as a dad. And like going through this book that's written from a female's perspective and talking about like her experience as a daughter, and then she's also a psychologist, and helps a lot of teens. So it has a bunch of case studies of the girls and stuff like that. And it's just really cool seeing

just feeling the importance of like, oh, I have so much value as a father, for my daughter. So anyway, it's definitely provided a lot of like purpose and value. Isn't it so interesting how our culture today says like focus on yourself, focus on self-care, do all this for yourself, self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self-self actually maybe what if we find our purpose from being selfless? Dude, I know. And like putting all of our energy into raising and nurturing a beautiful little baby. That's crazy. That you brought into this world.

Yeah. Like what if that's it, you know? Prach. Or what if it's what if it's dedicating your time to a selfless act that helps make the world better? You know, I don't know, just an idea. Yeah, I love that. Something I have so much respect for the two of you

because it seems, or I feel like, obviously we don't know you super personally, but from like needing you for the short amount of time and like what your content online is, you guys are so mindful, not just like about parenting and about your marriage. And I think that's something that we could definitely work on a lot. Like, it seems like you.

You guys are doing great. What are you talking about? I feel like we're always like, we're all chaotic. Like, just to give her so much better than us. Yeah, I know. Like, it's like very, very mindful and purposeful, like, and how you spend time together and with your child. And I just think that's something that's like, I really look up to you.

You made a whole episode on your podcast about, like, your marriage tips, which was I just think that's something that's like, I really look up to you made a whole episode on your podcast about like your marriage tips, which was, I thought that was really cool. Yeah. And thanks guys. Which you guys should check out that episode. But I wanted to ask like, what is like, I guess you've been married for seven and a half years now.

A seven. I had to just think. Next month, next month will be seven married. Whoa. We'll be, like, it's like together dating is like seven and a half to three quarters. That is crazy. Yeah, whatever.

What's your secret to not be divorced? What's your, I guess, selflessness. Like if you weren't, yeah, is it selflessness or? A lot of people go into relationships with the outlook of how it makes them feel, rather than what can I provide for this person? Wow. Not provide in a sense of like,

like a provider or anything, but just like what can I provide emotionally? You know, and like what can I bring to the table to give to this person rather than like, it doesn't, I feel like the word love is so used now just based off of the feeling that you feel when you feel like that you've worked high of love, but it doesn't fully encapsulate that love is a commitment, no matter how you're feeling, you know, so it's like the vows that we spoke to each other

on our wedding day, it's like, yeah, there might be days where I'm annoyed at Jess. Yeah. Maybe I don't feel like I love her, but I do love her because of the commitment I made to her. So therefore, I'm not gonna be an idiot and do things that's gonna ruin our relationship. You know what I mean?

It's weird that the English language only has one word for love. Yeah, there's so many different words. Multiple different types of love. Has there ever been a point in your relationship where you guys are like, I don't know if we're gonna make it? Or man, this is really, really hard. I did not expect this. The first thing that comes to my mind

was just at the very beginning of our relationship. When we met, I had three weeks in LA and at the end of that, we were in love. We just said I love you and it was that. I remember, especially you, you were kind of like, is this going to work? Long distance to Australia. We didn't know the next time that we were gonna see each other, it could be like six months, like we just had no idea. And that, I feel like that was an hourly moment of like,

do we try this or do we forget about it? Like, do you remember that? Yeah, it was kind of weird, because we were like, when we had talked about it, it's like, okay, next time we're gonna see each other realistically, is in five months from now. Yeah. So what we just hung out for three weeks,

and then we're just gonna face time for five months. Like, do we both actually wanna go through that? Is it, you know, so we're kinda having that conversation. And then, you know, like things just lined up perfectly with her being able to come out six weeks after she left. She was able to come back to LA. There was like a brand deal that I did that they were willing to like fly her out,

as it gets. Yeah, it was too curcella. Yeah, this little Australian girl was like, I was like, I'm going to curcella. It was a very weird scenario that, like my manager knew of our relationship. And he was like, I mean, just ask for a plus one and if they're willing to buy flights.

And it was a big blessing. It was really cool. And then it was that trip where we had hung out for those three weeks and it was actually like six weeks. And we were like, all right, do we want to like go public? You know? Because I was already in the influencer space at that time. And yeah, we then started posting a few videos together. Like I specifically put like posted on my channel at that time and they just kind of like took off really quickly. And then, I guess because of that,

you came out again for some, it was like another six weeks, and then she was able to come back again. Was that feeling of missing each other like so painful? Yeah. Oh, yeah, it was the worst. Oh, saying goodbye to the airport, like, north of us crying. Oh. I have like the worst. Oh, saying goodbye to airport, like both of us crying. Oh.

I have like the worst memories of saying goodbye. Yeah, it was pretty brutal. And then like, and then like she stuck on a 14 hour flight back to online. S'crying eating my Hershey's cookies and cream. Where you guys vlogging this, or did you, was that a lot of vlogs? So that wasn't the vlog yet.

That was, we were posting on our own channels. Oh, okay. So then that was probably like, I think like April's around the Coach Ella thing. Then she came back and end of May, Juneish. There was a couple trips before Outflow channel starting. Yeah, so then that Juneish trip, then it was kind of like we are dating and making videos together on both channels. So we, um, it was like, that trip was a few weeks that just came in in like May, June, two weeks, maybe something like that. And we just started filming together and posting a lot.

And, um, it was, that was crazy because she showed up with, she had like 30,000 subscribers on her channel before we met. She was still, she was doing social media stuff, but it wasn't like her job yet. Um, so she had like 30,000 subs, but then that trip she left, she, she got to like a 100,000. Wow. And it was like a really crazy like, oh my gosh, like people are really enjoying this content that we're making together.

Like this could be a thing. So then it was the next trip that she came out to L.A. in like end of July, September was when we started the end of July. Okay. Into September was the trip. I mean, that's, oh, I thought you meant August. And end of August. That is what I meant. Oh, I thought you meant August. And end of August. That is what I meant. Like, at your age.

End of August into September. What? You like babe, July. July, September. You know the knuckles thing? Yeah. That's the whole other one in there. But during this time, you guys were both thinking about,

you guys were both like, I don't know about this though. Like you were vlogging it, but you were thinking about calling it quits. No, no, no. Once we started, he just went on a tangent. Oh, I was just kind of given the history. It was at the beginning where we were kind of like questioning it because of the time.

Of the long distance frame, yeah. Got it. And in the time, yeah, sorry, I was like, what was even the question? Because you really just wanted to have your hot girl summer and gave one of the have his hot boys summer. Yeah, exactly. Okay. I feel like in some ways, it, I was like, what was even the question? Because you really just wanted to have your hot girl summer and gay wanted to have his hot boy summer. Yeah, exactly. Okay.

I feel like in some ways it kind of sounds like being long distance made like the timeline speed up a little bit for your guys. Yeah. Because, yeah, 100%. So when we got engaged in September, it was either for like all the family to go to one place or the other whether we were gonna have the wedding in Australia or the US, the time that everyone could

really travel was like during the Christmas break because Australia, their summer is over our winter. So their summer break for school is the longer period of time over December, January. Oh, cool. Which is crazy. So they don't get as long of time during our summer here. So it's like, okay, the Christmas break is like,

we get around maybe like three weeks, and then they get longer in Australia. So like, family can travel that's a period of time. So it was either we do it by that September in 2016, like three and a half months later, after we got engaged in September, or we wait a year and three months and do it the next year, the next December.

Yeah, and that's when my mom was like, why wait? Why wait next year when you're doing long distance? Yeah. So do you think social media or vlogging all that robbed you guys of any of those experiences? Like was it weird that you were like falling in love and like vlogging at the same time? Like was it hard to know, okay, what's real, what's not real? Like, what of this is for a video and what of this is like actually how I feel

about this person that I'm dating? I don't think I ever felt that actually. I didn't either. Like, especially now, I mean, our first stuff is so cringy, but I'm glad that we have it as memories. Yeah, it's tough to watch it back. Well, you see those couples who know that it seems like everything's great and then they have the break up video. And you're like, oh, apparently it wasn't.

Do you look like people are waiting for that for us? Well, everybody. Do you always comment that we're getting divorced? Well, like every couple, I feel like people always, people are always like, man, if they ever split, like, I'll know that love isn't true. Or like, yeah, that's what I'm sure for a dating relationship. Yeah. What's really cool and encouraging is like,

people who maybe saw us back then, and then, and then we'll like see content of ours now, again, like after years of like not seeing it or something like that, and they'll go, they're like, oh, whoa, they're still together. It's still together? Yeah. It's like, yeah, cause you do hear that so much of like not seeing it or something like that. And they'll go, they're like, oh, whoa, they're still together. It's still together? Yeah. It's like, yeah, because you do hear that so much of like YouTube

couples, they have this big like growth. And then it just like falls apart, you know? So yeah, it's been like, we've, I don't know, like tried to be conscious of how much we do on camera, like, when I write just a letter, am I going to vlog it and vlog that I gave, that I wrote a letter and gave it to her. Like what as much as we, there were moments that we would share, we also tried to make sure that there were moments that weren't shared,

that were between us, that were really our relationship, not public. You know? Yeah. Sure, there's a lot of people listening that are in a long distance relationship, and like, you guys did the long distance. What would be like your best piece of advice for someone in a relationship like that? Text.

There you go. I think we have the same thing, but FaceTime as much as you can text as little as you can. Or like voice message over texting, like texting the West. Texting is obviously convenient, like if you're sleeping with the time zones, it's like obviously I'm going to send you a text, but getting a text of, oh, she ran into her ex-boyfriend and they had a comment, you know, like a random thing like that and then I'm like freaking out in the morning. I mean while she's asleep for the next 12 hours, I'm freaking out

the whole day until like we can talk. It didn't, like that sounds worse than it is because, but there was like a situation similar to that, but we kind of like talk through it and but it was because we were able to actually talk. Yeah. It out rather than text it out. Yeah, I just- Voice messages too. Are way better than just normal voice texts

are way better than just like texting texting. Here in the voice, and I don't know, I just feel like texting can be so like misread so easily. But if you're talking face to face like FaceTime, I don't know, it's just that's sound like number one. And I think also just going out of your way to show your partner that they can trust you. And you know, that you can trust them. And like this, I don't know what, if I'm describing this right,

but like, you wanna show them, I'm not saying it's right. No, no, I know what you're trying to say. In our relationship, I had a previous relationship where I was cheated on, so I had like, crazy trust issues. I'm so sorry. It's all good now.

I'm like, thankful. I had like, all crazy trust issues. I'm so sorry. It's all good now. I'm like, I'm thankful. I'm like, I think, I'm like, I think, but that, it just gave me a lot of pretty crazy trust issues that like when I explained that to her,

Jess went out of her way for something that, like one example of this was in my previous relationship, I had asked what the deal was with her keeping her ex-boyfriends photos up on her Instagram. And she got kind of defensive about it. And she was like, that was two years of my life. Like it happened, blah, blah. And it's like, yeah, but also like you could consider my feelings

about it because it's like kind of weird. Yeah. So then she ended up cheating on me with her. Yeah. So there is something. Wait, no, I thought you were making a joke about like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, thank you, man. It is what it is now. But then fast forward to with Jess, she had pictures on her Instagram with her ex boyfriend. And when I brought it up to her,

not even asking her to like delete them or anything, like by that night she had went through and just cleared them all out. Wow. Cause she knew the, like the trust issues that I had. So she went out of her way, even to do things that weren't asked of her, to make sure I knew that I could trust her.

So it's like stuff like that where it's, you know, even if it seems insignificant, it's like, are you gonna, I don't know how to say it, are you gonna like just hold tight to your feelings about this thing because you think it's weird that they asked or do you care about the person enough to just I don't know treasure their heart and just do everything to make sure that they know that they can trust you. That's the way that you put that. Describe the feeling of living together in the same city for the first time.

It's so exciting. That was exciting. Such a fun time of our life. And like, our business was doing great too. Like, we were able to get married, live together, vlog it, like, we got a dog, like, everything was just so fun and exciting. Everything was fun.

That period of time we look back and it was just, it was really fun. Yeah. Yeah, we have such special memories. I don't know, just like getting an apartment together and like starting to decorate, going and buying a couch. I just like have such special memories of that time and I am glad that we filmed so much of it because I bet like we would forget so much. But now we like have it to look back on. That's really I can so relate to that. Yeah, I'd treasure those sweet memories of like the first year of

marriage and just how fun it is. And on top of that, like, we went to college together after dating on the essence, we were only two and a half hours. Nothing like, okay, that's just it. But like, when you live together in the same city, it's it was truly the best. Like, we just spent every hour of every day together after. Yeah, I think it was truly the best. Like, we just spent every hour of every day together after that. Yeah. I think it was also like, we got to go to bed together every night and just be like, we don't need to say goodbye.

Like, I think we had so many sad good vibes at the airport that even like, our honeymoon, like straight off to the wedding, it was like, we don't need to say goodbye anymore. Yeah, that was crazy. It's like leaving Australia and it's like, oh, we're, we're leaving together. We're doing it together. You know, we're like leaving, yeah, whenever we were like going places, it was like we're at the airport and it's happy. Yeah.

That's really sweet. Yeah. What's next for you guys? What's on the agenda for 2024? 2024. Hopefully having another baby. No way. Are you guys trying for another baby?

No, you see what happens. No way. It's in like loading Whoa, whoa, not loading like you guys like no, we're not pregnant No, okay, but seriously though with the way you were holding Augie earlier and looking at I was like I feel like a baby's coming so soon You could be pregnant right now. We don't even know it. I mean I don't think so If she is we don't even know it. Yeah, that's great. But you could just paint it.

Anyway, really good at it. That's exciting. I'd love to have... Oh no, I promise. I really promise this. I'd love to have another kid before I turn 30. I was gonna ask you. You're a girl now.

Yes. 29, I'm a whole... Okay, you're not. I'm just ready now. Can we just talk about how... When you asked. Bro, oh my gosh. Okay, I'm gonna set up. No, we just don't go about now. When you ask. Bro, oh my gosh. Okay, I'm gonna set up the scene real quick.

We're hanging out. Like we had just showed up to the studio. We just, they showed up to the studio. Oh, wait, put this button in the mouth. I'm so dumb. No, we're like, we're like, oh, hold on, you guys. They're like, oh, 25, 24, and we're like, okay, yeah. I think we need that.

Wait, hawn, timeout, rewind. You have your birthday wrong by the way Yeah, have you ever Googled your age no way because Google's famous birthdays yours is correct But the top of Google top of Google says you What I think that oldies and I am which is so crazy that I have such a childish voice Well, I guess I'm not the oldest one here then after all No, if you look at it's it's going right now

Google itself the search says 31 That is No, it has a few these are the most random pictures of me. I'm never going myself again. This is terrible. When you Google me, it shows this basketball player that played in like this in college. Oh yes, we saw it this time. And I'm like, my new goal is to be the person that shows up when you search for it.

First, I'm like, who is this basketball player that played in like 2010 in a college basketball team? Yeah, that's pretty funny. That is surprising. That is a basketball. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not very good. I sprang my ankle to a basketball. Anyway, we didn't finish this story. Yeah, so I'm trying.

I'm coming. We're talking about my ages. I'm 31, right? So then Matt goes, how do you? And I go, I'm 29. And he goes, whoa! That was like, I was like, whoa! Yeah, I think it was like, whoa.

You just look so hip being from LA or living LA. You're back when that is so fun. And I was just like, I totally thought you were my age. And I'm like, whoa, you are literally about to turn 30. There's really not a huge difference between you and your family. No, it's crazy, dude. Like hearing that I'm 25. Like 25 in my head, like I hear like 25 year old man like on the news

Like you I'm not that I watch the news very much But like if you ever watch the news you're like wow that's like a that's a grown a man right there Yeah, and I'm like I am to like no am I really 25? I feel like a child sometimes, you know You are a man. Yeah, okay, that I am that is it hate comment that see sometimes and it hurts my But when you turn 30 yeah, like when I turn 30, it's like when you think of somebody turn 30, it's like that person has their life together.

Exactly. And if they don't, yes. I think they don't. Poor 30 year old, you know what I mean? Yeah. So it's like, whoa. He's having an exercise. Not really, like whatever.

But. So you guys have a little girl now. And so a question we got all the time after having Whoa. He's having a success. Not really, like whatever. But. So you guys have a little girl now. And so a question we got all the time after having her stand there, like, you're going to try for a girl, or you're going to try for a girl. And we actually obviously would have been so happy either way. You can't really go wrong, especially with the second.

But I kind of wanted another boy. I was like, especially since they were so close together, I thought it'd be really fun. But do you guys feel like you have a slight tiny preference like either way? I Don't know. I don't think we have a preference because I think I think about having a second girl because I am the second of two girls and I just think like having a girl. It's like oh, I know know what to do. I know how to take care of a girl.

That's how it's all the boys. Yeah, like a girl feels intimidating. Yeah, but also if we have a boy, that would be so exciting and like. Yeah, I'm one of four kids, but three of us are boys. Yeah. So I was like, oh, we're probably having a boy. Like when we were with our first,

I was like, it's probably gonna be a boy. So I was like shocked when I was a girl. And then I was like, what do I do with a girl? Oh my gosh, yeah, but it's been amazing. So like having a girl, another girl would be awesome because they'll, you know, they'd be close in age. Not that it means anything, but you guys really feel like girl parents.

Oh, thank you. Like you might just have a lot of sweet little girls. Yeah, I wanna see you. I just, it a lot of sweet little girls. Yeah, I want to see you. I just, it just screams girl dad, you know. That's a good thing. That's like sweet. Sweet and gentle. Gentle. He's such a softie. It's really great. We could talk to you guys for hours. But I know you guys got to get back to your baby and we probably should get back to our baby thing. But if you guys haven't checked out the so far, so long. You haven't checked out the so far,

so good bye guys, go check it out. Jess and Gabe, you can find them on YouTube, Instagram, probably even Snapchat, right? I don't mean, we're all, where are you guys at? We're pretty much YouTube and Instagram. Go check out Jess and Gabe. It's a wonderful couple. It has been such an honor to have you guys and the fact that you're willing to do this really means a lot

Yeah, thank you guys And this is kind of a full circle moment too cuz like low key you guys me started vlogging I didn't know what I was doing and like I feel like I feel like I would look at your videos and be like what are what's this couple Do like they're like the top of the game like what what should we do and We even there's a spin where we would do the you guys I think started a trend called say it or shot it and for a while on our YouTube channel We can do it. We did like five parts of say it or shot it We're like shot pickle juice if we would have answered it. Yeah, I don't know you guys are just like you guys definitely inspired us and Just it's just cool to have this conversation on the pod with you guys, so

Guys are you kidding me? Yeah, that's so sweet Really fun awesome Well, thank you as always so flat And then three two one you