The Viall Files - E802 - The Scott Peterson Documentaries, Love Island Spinoffs, RHOC, and It Ends With Us Continued

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Starting point is 00:01:45 Pop Culture Moms, where each week we talk about what we're watching and examine our favorite pop culture moms up close to try to pick up some parenting hacks along the way. Come laugh, learn, and grow with us as we look for the best tips. And maybe a few what-not to-dos from our favorite fictional moms. From Good Morning America and ABC Audio. Pop Culture Moms, find it wherever you get your podcasts. All right, do you think Kyle will eat it? Kyle!

Starting point is 00:02:12 He'll eat it. Kyle! He's got his headphones on. Let me text him. Kyle! Oh wait, I just said Nick is screaming, lol. Honest question. You can say yes or no.

Starting point is 00:02:24 It's just a test. It's just a test. It's just a test. It's not, would you eat this? It's I ate half of it. No, it's not a test. What is the right answer? There's no right answer. I'm just genuine, I was just gonna throw it out,

Starting point is 00:02:37 then I thought, well, maybe Kyle wants it, then now he's like, you're disgusting, you ate half of it. And I was like- It was pre-cut, right? No, but I did, I took a bite out of it. I took a bite out of it. That's what I said.

Starting point is 00:02:46 That's the saliva of a successful reality star. Successful reality star. What'd you eat it? How much can we get for it on eBay? I might like cut off the part where you put it in. Yeah. That's not a fact. Yeah, I just don't, I don't wanna throw it away

Starting point is 00:03:03 if he's like, why'd you throw that away? Are you offering it or are you asking him hypothetically would he eat it? Yeah, I guess. But he was literally like, I'm gonna give this to Kyle and I was like, but you took bites out of it. Like that's kind of fucked up to be like, here's my two bites left of my sandwich, Kyle,

Starting point is 00:03:17 do you want a couple bites? But we are snotty, privileged, you know, elitists and we, maybe, maybe other people wouldn't wanna waste half a sandwich. Speak for yourself, who's snotty, privileged, and an elitist? I was like other people wouldn't want to waste half a sandwich. Naughty privilege. I was like, wait, where's my food? Some people would appreciate a half of eating a sandwich.

Starting point is 00:03:30 Yeah, see, Kyle would. You should have just got him an actual one. I wasn't. Next time. Because, you know, you thought about him being like, oh, if I don't finish this, Kyle will eat it. I think he thought you would finish it. Why do you got to make Kyle feel bad about like eating food?

Starting point is 00:03:44 Good quality of food. All right A little hungry driving in he says thanks Kyle What's going on everybody? Welcome back to the MyLifel's Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick, joined by the household. Hope you all had an amazing Labor Day. Do you ever confuse Labor and Memorial Day? All the time. No.

Starting point is 00:04:20 No. Because our birthdays. Yeah. We know what Labor Day is. Oh, that's true. Yeah. How was your birthday? So good? So good. So good.

Starting point is 00:04:31 I loved everything we did. I loved that trip we took. I loved the diamonds you got me. I loved the bouquets of flowers. The island you bought me. I loved that island. I can't wait to visit. Also the PJ,ets of flowers. The island you bought me. I loved that island. I can't wait to visit. Also the PJ, the private jet, of course.

Starting point is 00:04:50 It's like pajamas. He killed it this time around there. No, he really did. He went absolutely out of his way. We're actually broke now because of it. Anyone wanna buy our house? How was your birthday? Fantastic.

Starting point is 00:05:03 Amazing. Relaxed, recharged. Everyone had a great birthday. We're so excited, recharged. Everyone had a great birthday. We're so excited. I hope you guys had a great weekend. I had my mind blown yesterday because my mom sent me a photograph of my grandmother, Phyllis, who I just refer to as Phyllis. Cause we've been trying to figure out who River looks like,

Starting point is 00:05:22 you know, which in the family. Because she does have very distinctive features, you know, like her little... She has Nellie's chin. Yes, of course. She has my chin. She also has like a little button nose, which like neither we look at our baby pictures and neither of us had a button nose. My mom didn't have one.

Starting point is 00:05:36 Nick's mom didn't have one. So we're like, where the hell did this nose come from? And then she sent this photograph that was, I don't know, 90 years old. Wow. Ninety-some plus years old. Nin. 90 some plus years old, 92, one, something like that, of little baby Phyllis. And it looked exact, bring up the photo, Zach, it looked exactly like River, it lit River.

Starting point is 00:05:55 And so I've looked at the photo 30 plus times because when I look at the photo, I don't see someone who looks like my daughter. That's my daughter. Yeah. Are we stupid parents? Does every parent of a young child is this shocked up to the category of like my child's a genius And everyone's like they're just like developing does everyone have a photo of a family member where it looks like It's like is River a time shower. It does it's giving it's giving

Starting point is 00:06:20 Billy Clive Lee. What was that movie that she was in? Adelaide. Adelaide, yes. The Age of Adelaide. Like this is River 90 years ago. It's creepy. It's really creepy. In a cool kind of. Like if River had that like straight across bang,

Starting point is 00:06:36 then like obviously her hair's still growing and Phyllis is like a little older in this. Phyllis looks like maybe like 18 months old here. No, that's actually wild. It's crazy. It's really, but like there's the nose, there's the eyes, there's the cheeks. There's the whole face. It's my daughter.

Starting point is 00:06:50 I think even Phyllis and I have the same chin, don't you? Because we kept being like, River has my chin, River has my chin. I do think River has your- I have Phyllis's chin. I do. No, I think that might be the one different thing is your chin.

Starting point is 00:07:04 I mean, traits do skip generations, right? This one just gets two generations. It's really crazy. I don't know. I mean, colorized as Phyllis have. I think blue. And then so like we immediately were like, send us every photo of every age of Phyllis. Because I basically want to see like it does.

Starting point is 00:07:21 Will that happen? Like just because River is Phyllis' baby clone, will she continue to be, or will she manifest or mutate into a little baby Nellie Joy? I wish she was an X-Men. But also just look how cool this photo is. No, truly. Like it just, the people.

Starting point is 00:07:39 And I'm related to these people. Colonel Sanders over there? Do you know any of their names? Did you know your great grandmother? I think that's Phyllis' grandpa in the bow tie over there? Do you know any of their names? Like is the, did you know your great grandmother? I think that's Phyllis's grandpa in the bow tie over there. I don't know, I'm assuming that's my great grandma. Well, if that's Phyllis's mom, then I have met her.

Starting point is 00:07:56 You have? Okay. No, I think I met my dad's grandma when I was a baby. But I don't know if I met this lady. That is your dad's mom, so. That's my dad's grandma when I was a baby. But I don't know if I met this lady. That is your dad's mom, so. That's my dad's grandma. So you're saying you did meet her? I don't think so.

Starting point is 00:08:10 I think I met my grandpa's mom. Oh, okay. You're like, I don't think I met her. I think I met my dad's grandma. Like, so her. Yeah, the other one. The other one. Okay, got it.

Starting point is 00:08:20 The other. Got it, got it, got it. Anyways, it's kind of, yeah, River is a time traveler. I wish all of our photos were in black and white. Like that just looks so sick without, like. What do you think they did that day? I don't know, they are dressed up. A little walk from the park.

Starting point is 00:08:34 Like a family reunion. Family reunion. Yeah. For the whole photo. I'm like loving the outfits, the hair. I know. Like 1930 something. How none of them are really smiling, they're all just like into the photo, into the camera.

Starting point is 00:08:48 Truly. Yeah, man, they had real problems back then. Okay. Now you'd have like six kids and hope like four make it. Right. The kids are working on their own already, yeah. Yeah, no, it was a different time. That is really creepy though.

Starting point is 00:09:03 Yeah, the Dust Bowl is happening, you know. The Dust Bowl. 1930s. Now we just have fire. Yeah, between then and then my grandparents loved letters. Should we read those eventually? We should. We should.

Starting point is 00:09:13 Wild House Plus. One a week. Yeah. Wild House Plus. I think a plus episode of like, just one here for an update. Yeah. Okay. We read one every single episode.

Starting point is 00:09:21 And I'm thinking, I'm like, I want it like drunk history style. I want you guys to reenact whatever they did in the day. Whatever they like. You need to come dressed. Outfits. Outfits. I want a dramatic reading and then I want a visual retelling. Well, I'm drunk history, they're under the influence.

Starting point is 00:09:35 Well, I'm saying just the style, like while you're reading the letters, we're watching what's happening, but you two acting it out. But we don't like get drunk or stoned. By all means, do whatever you want. If it's Vile Files Plus, you can get drunk or stoned. By all means, do whatever you want. If it's Vile Files Plus, you can be drunk and stoned.

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Starting point is 00:10:03 like we did during Xandival and you want to go back and recap the entire season with us, join us. Plus, if you're missing your Vanderpump rules, or maybe you recently discovered it like we did during Xandival, and you wanna go back and recap the entire season with us, join us. We are finishing up wrapping up season four. It's on VodFox Plus. Plus, our update specials are available as well, including our weekly Pop Extra,

Starting point is 00:10:18 where we just talk about a lot. It's really fun and very chaotic. I learned last night that Nick pops off on Bob Ross Plus. I'm a little looser. Yes. A little? A little looser. Well, so.

Starting point is 00:10:31 We go in. We go in. Yeah. Nick has a lot of hot takes. You should listen. Oh, don't give a fuck on it. We got a big week lined up for you. We got, let's see, the new big show,

Starting point is 00:10:44 Secret Lives of the Mormon Wives. Yes. You may know them from TikTok. They're messy. Well, honestly, I think there's a lot of burning questions about these ladies. First and foremost, like, you got the whole Mormon church aspect, we know from obviously Salt Lake City

Starting point is 00:10:58 that brings an element of interesting, if nothing else. Some of these women are very controversial, including tomorrow's guest. Taylor Paul is with us for an explosive episode of Going Deeper. Yeah, a lot of these women are messy. Taylor's been arrested. It's for some unsavory thing.

Starting point is 00:11:15 I think the question is like, I think with reality TV, what's fascinating is like, it's a broad spectrum. People ask us all the time, what are people like? People are, you know, and like anything else, you can have your high quality, good, high character people, all the way down to your Jack Stahler. The spectrum.

Starting point is 00:11:31 And so I think it's fair when you watch any of these shows is like, what kind of people are they? Because to be on reality TV, there's an element of drama and messiness, and are you someone who can bring that authentically to the table? Or are you someone who brings that authentically to the table by Or are you someone who brings that authentically to the table by, you know,

Starting point is 00:11:45 doing bad things to people? And, uh, I, I look forward to our set down with Taylor. It's, it's going to be here tomorrow and we'll get to see what, uh, what kind of person she is. So should be interesting. Also, uh, we got the NFL. I don't know. I don't know who cares. Listen, I was, I was on a couple, you know, women, women watch sports. Maybe you don't know who cares. Listen, I was on a couple, you know, women watch sports. Maybe you don't. Yeah, we fucking do.

Starting point is 00:12:06 Why are you fucking? Because every time I bring up sports, she give me the, I don't give a fuck. I can't help what my face does. Anyways, the NFL is debuting tomorrow. Let me just go ahead and say. No, Thursday, Thursday. Comes out Thursday, Chiefs versus,

Starting point is 00:12:22 who do the Chiefs play? In my time, Do they play somebody? She's, what? I'm gonna set the scene because there's nothing better than the weekend. A little, do the NFL song in the morning. Or even in the after,

Starting point is 00:12:41 it doesn't even matter what time it is. It's really any time of day, you have a fall candle going. You have like- There's so many ladies being like, bitch, pick me, you're a fucking- I don't give a fuck because you know what? At the end of the day, if you're not romanticizing a fucking candle in your house,

Starting point is 00:12:56 like what are you doing? You're miserable. It's family time. And that's the best, truly, it's the best thing. It's the weekend, it's like a little, not really here, but like a little, a little chilly outside. You're like, ooh. Weather's changing around the country. You're like, ooh, that's nice.

Starting point is 00:13:09 The football's on. Your man's happy. Mm-hmm. For only for a little bit until they lose. And then you're like, I cannot speak to him. There's, there's the, the. Not anymore. I used to be that way. Give me five. We'll see.

Starting point is 00:13:21 Give me five. Yeah, he does need like five minutes. If it's a playoff loss, I need to take a walk around the block. But, you know. Yeah. Anyway, so back, setting the scene. So, a little chilly outside, football on the TV, dogs wrestling around,

Starting point is 00:13:36 Rivy, ay-ay-ay-ay-ay-ay-ay-ay, food cooking, candles going. It's a vibe. It's totally a vibe, yeah. I can't wait. And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, at nine a.m., I don't really know what. And so yes, we are getting a mid-morning nap. And who's cooking, you or Nick? Well, I think I would probably be because I am, what? For sure. I've stepped up my cooking game. I was in the kitchen, listen, Sierra and Connor came over

Starting point is 00:14:14 last Thursday and we had a little early birthday celebration and we cooked them dinner, we cooked all of us dinner, we had a cake and then was I not in the kitchen like absolutely cheffing it up? Yes, honey, you were. Like, Nick did the steak, but like I did everything else. You did, you really did. The zucchini, the broccoli, the potatoes.

Starting point is 00:14:35 I set the table. I poured the wine. You did, yeah. I was popping the fuck off. You were fucking a wife. I was a wife. I was. Best host. We had a a wife. I was a wife. I was. Best host.

Starting point is 00:14:46 We had a great time. It's Chiefs versus the Ravens, by the way. Ravensmoan? Yeah. I'm not. I'm not. Anyways, well, the NFL is kicking off soon this week. And for all you listeners out there

Starting point is 00:15:00 who do watch a little bit of football, we're gonna have some fun. Listen, this is not becoming a sports show, but we'll find a way to incorporate. Well, like the candle. We'll have the food, cause. And if nothing else, listen, like Natalie loves to every once in a while,

Starting point is 00:15:13 she'll pull up a couple, she'll go on Packer's Twitter. So I like to, you know, like, even if I'm not watching the game, you know, I'm just kind of sitting there and I'm dilly dallying on my phone. I get on Twitter and I search Packers, and all these tweets will come up, and I'll just read a couple of them out loud

Starting point is 00:15:30 as the game's going, and it'll be some hot take that some man had in his basement, and it's exactly how Nick feels. And I'm like, oh my god, I can't believe love dropped on the 40th, throwing it to Spencer, and that's so fucking crazy. And then he'd be like, oh my God, you were paying attention. Like, oh God, babe, you're so smart.

Starting point is 00:15:51 You're like, I really am. And I'm like, no, I know. So this season you will get life hacks from Natalie. Wait, who was that coach that everyone hated? Offensive coach? No, defensive coach. Oh, um. Come on.

Starting point is 00:16:04 Joe Berry. Joe Berry. Are you sure, Joe Berry? Yeah. Okay, oh. Come on. Joe Berry. Joe Berry. Are you sure, Joe Berry? Yeah. Okay, I remember texting him one time and being like, Joe Berry needs to be fired for that last play or something, and he was like, okay.

Starting point is 00:16:13 Yeah. Yeah. Peter Schrager of Good Morning Football is with us on Thursday for fantasy football. Do we have any, we also might have some more guests, but definitely Peter Schrager. He's a really great guy. Peter, very NFL insider, also pop culture insider as well.

Starting point is 00:16:30 He knows the tea. He knows everybody in the NFL. He knows everybody. Also, he's picked the correct Super Bowl winner for like, I don't know, seven times in a row or something crazy, I don't know. But we'll be previewing the NFL season, having some fun, talking some pop culture,

Starting point is 00:16:42 NFL football with my good friend, Peter Schrager. All right. What are we getting into? It ends with us. Drama is not done. No, we have we have more people. Can we be done? No, because we we need to find out. We're not going to find. And honestly, at this point, it's gone on for too long.

Starting point is 00:17:00 And like no one's going to they're going to come out with what happened. They're going to come out with whatever Justin did or whatever pissed everyone off and everyone's gonna be like, that, really? Because it's gone on for so long. So if they don't come out and if they don't say, Justin Baldoni dropped, kicked my puppy, then like, then it's just not gonna be as,

Starting point is 00:17:19 like what everyone wants it to be. Really, nothing? That's what I think, I don't know. People are, this is how they are, you know? They're gonna be like, here A, B, and C, this is all what Justin did. And that's why we have followed him. What if he drew some really weird shit?

Starting point is 00:17:33 Drew? Drew? I don't know. What if it was inappropriate in nature? That would be incredibly fucked up. And I would hope people would be like, ugh, what the fuck? Okay, Team Blake. But I feel like they're just gonna be like,

Starting point is 00:17:42 oh, give us a fuck. I mean, you might be right. People are cemented in their opinions at times. Anyways, what did Blake Liley's brother-in-law say? Also, did we really know that was his brother-in-law? No. Did her brother-in-law? Not at all. High school musical? High school musical.

Starting point is 00:17:55 I didn't watch high school musical. So for those listening, high school musical actor who's also Blake Liley's brother-in-law. What's the connection? It's like her sister's married to him? Her brother-in-law, yeah. Her brother-in-law. Well, it could have been like Ryan Reynolds' sister or brother, possible. That is true. That is true. Well, I don't have that knowledge. I'm's married to him. Her brother-in-law. Well, it could have been like Ryan Reynolds' sister or brother, possible.

Starting point is 00:18:05 That is true. That is true. Well, I don't have that knowledge. I'm immediately supposed to know. Who gives a... The family tree. No one cares? Just me?

Starting point is 00:18:13 I'll look it up right now. It's her brother-in-law, I don't know. On what side though? But Bart Johnson, he is Zac Efron's dad, Troy Bolton's dad in High School Musical. That's how she's connected. Holy shit. Well, anyways, what did he have to say? So he said, I can promise you

Starting point is 00:18:27 the truth has not come out yet. Blake worked harder on this film than anything I've seen her do my entire life because it meant so much to her, the messages in the book and in the movie, not in short clips slash interviews. I mean, I do agree with Natalie. If you know something at this point,

Starting point is 00:18:42 stop teasing it and just say it or don't. Which he's teasing it. Yeah, it's like the truth will come out. Well, just fucking say the truth and then it will come out. Absolutely 100% team Blake. I am too and listen, I've seen a lot of people coming at us for our opinion and I am someone who was in a very physical abusive relationship

Starting point is 00:19:02 way before Nick and I understand the triggers and I understand like listening to these interviews that Blake is doing is definitely wrong and like portraying the movie in poorly, but I don't, I think it's bigger than that. And I do appreciate Justin for the way he is marketing this movie, I do appreciate Justin for the things he is saying, but I do think that he did some stuff behind the scenes that was inappropriate or crossed a line or something that made everyone unfollow him and not want to do any press with him,

Starting point is 00:19:36 not want to associate with him. And I don't, this is someone speaking from a victim of physical abuse that like, I'm not Team Justin on this. And I think just because you have been through that and I, you think like, oh, let me stick with the person who like is saying all of the right things. Yeah, I don't know. Well said, babe. Well said. I do think they should stop teasing it though.

Starting point is 00:20:00 Yeah, I agree. Just uh... Bart Johnson. Troy Bolton's dad. Just say it, buddy. Honestly, like it, that seems like a perfect person to say it. Yeah. Why not Bart?

Starting point is 00:20:09 It is a little random. It's definitely a little random. We have the whole cast. In the family. That's true. I do think it needs to be someone from the cast. Someone who was there, someone who saw it, someone who was a part of whatever happened,

Starting point is 00:20:21 definitely needs to be the one to speak out. I don't think anyone would believe Blake, unfortunately, believe women, people don't give a fuck about that anymore, I guess, but I don't think if she came out and said, this is what happened, people would support her or stand beside her or switch teams. Yeah, I would agree with you, unfortunately. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:20:40 Anyways, what else is going on? On the other note. On a lighter note, did you watch SpongeBob? I did not, I wasn't allowed to. Really? I did. That's crazy because my- I was grown up.

Starting point is 00:20:49 Yeah, Nick was 82 when SpongeBob came out. SpongeBob has an adult audience. My mom loved SpongeBob and would watch it with us. I don't know if I would say adult, I'd say older, but anyways, continue. Good point. Well, so allegedly Wendy's will release a crappy patty in the fall.

Starting point is 00:21:07 Why did it take so long? That's what I'm thinking, yeah. And why Wendy's? Yeah, also, but like that's- You're a huge SpongeBob fan, aren't you? Love SpongeBob. Huge. Love SpongeBob. That's what I grew up on.

Starting point is 00:21:17 Yeah. Like that was my, like, because my mom enjoyed it. Is that your session history? Your mom enjoyed it? Yes. And so we'd like, my mom would be like, let's watch SpongeBob.ongebob. Yeah, apparently there's like a lot of fucked up things about it But adult humor, but my mom was like, I don't know sitting with the kids She wasn't thinking dirty while watching a kid show

Starting point is 00:21:35 I don't know Are there a lot of pervy people who make cartoons and throw in like it into windows that they don't think kids will well kids Shouldn't notice or know. A thousand percent. Disney does it all the time. They have like funny sense of humor. Disney's got something, yeah, watch the Aladdin fucking cartoon, Teenagers Take Off Your Clothes,

Starting point is 00:21:53 is a subliminal message that once you hear it, you'll never unhear it. Or The Little Mermaid where the priest, the little priest, where his penis is wiggling up and down, or the dildo on the cover of The Little Mermaid. I have seen that one. What? Yes, you didn't know any of this?

Starting point is 00:22:07 The original VHS print. Sorry that I had a pure mind. No, in Aladdin, the cartoon, I mean, I don't know if it's been updated or whatever, but when Aladdin comes down from Jasmine's stoop or balcony, and there's a subliminal message, it's like, if you're not paying attention, you don't hear it, but when someone points it out,

Starting point is 00:22:27 and there's like a ding, like a coin, some kind of noise, and then it's, teenagers, take off your clothes. No! Yes. It says that? Yes. Someone says that, someone whispers that

Starting point is 00:22:38 in the background. Yep, yep. What the fuck? You know what I never did as a kid while watching it? Took off my clothes. So, I don't know how subliminal that message worked. It's still inappropriate. A thousand percent.

Starting point is 00:22:49 Definitely inappropriate. And I now like. Or the Google the priest on Little Mermaid. But also like now that I'm older and I've seen all this stuff about SpongeBob, I obviously never put two and two together. My mom didn't put two and two together when we were kids. But yeah, like Mr. Krabs who lives in the bikini bottom. I was gonna say, I was like Cartoon Network raised me

Starting point is 00:23:07 and I was like Johnny Bravo. There it is. Oh, no. Yeah, Claire's Day. That's crazy, a dildo on the Little Mermaid? It was the original VHS print. So like they took it off pretty soon after, but. I don't know, I think it was pretty soon.

Starting point is 00:23:22 That's crazy, anyways. Well, I was wondering though, because Krabby Patty is like a delicacy that a lot of children wanted to eat. And like, I feel like everybody has that one movie that had a food when they were little that they're like that, I wanna eat that. And I was wondering if you guys have one.

Starting point is 00:23:37 I mean, mine would probably be Krabby Patty's. Okay. I don't watch Bun Rub. Well, any other show? Any like fictional. Cause for me, it was Narnia when they had the Turkish Delights. Oh yeah. And I was like, I wanna eat a Turkish Delight. Well, any other show? Any like fictional. Cause for me, for me it was Narnia when they had the Turkish Delights. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:23:47 And I was like, I want to eat a Turkish Delight. I really liked that movie. That's a good one. We should watch that again. That's a really good like winter movie. To like get you in the- We should watch it in the lake in winter. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:23:57 And then walk into the forest. And then go walk into the forest, yeah. I got to experience mine, so. What was it? Butterbeer from Harry Potter. Yes, of course. Butterbeer, our little Disney was it? Butter beer from Harry Potter. Yes, of course. Butter beer, our little Disney adult. Butter beer is not good.

Starting point is 00:24:09 It's not. Well, actually, there's one that's bottled, but again, it's just like butterscotch soda. I don't know if I have one. I just cannot believe that it really took them this long for someone to do that. Wendy's is like the sponsorship of all sponsorships though, because they did Lisa Barlow, Southern Charm, Craig and not Craig, sorry. Were they running on Wendy's is like the sponsorship of all sponsorships though. Cause they did Lisa Barlow, Southern Charm, Craig and, not Craig sorry. Were they running on Wendy's? Yeah, like sponsorship.

Starting point is 00:24:31 Well not Cup, they just like took a picture with the burger. Hmm. But they weren't like on the- I would honestly love that. You can go to Wendy's and get like a West Wilson Coca Cola. But what a great, that's like a, no that's a really cool sponsorship. Like Wendy's, that's pretty sick.

Starting point is 00:24:47 I don't know. I would love Burger King too. Like a Burger King sponsorship. Have you seen the Burger King mascot? Yes. The King? At BK, have it your way. You rule.

Starting point is 00:24:59 Oh, it's rule. You rule. I thought it's good. It's good. No. They're like don't worry, it's good. No, they're like don't worry, you rule. You rule. I thought it's good. No. They're like, don't worry, it's good. No, they're like, don't worry, you rule. You're cool.

Starting point is 00:25:10 I rule. What is this, a five-year-old Turkish pilot drives a Lamborghini nearly 200 miles per hour? Yeah, so this is five-year-old Zayn, the son of former motorcycle champion, Kenan Sofangulu, set a speed record in a Lamborghini Rivalto reaching 194 miles per hour. That's sorry, so his-

Starting point is 00:25:29 That's not fair, it should be in jail. So his dad's a professional motorcyclist. Good for him, he should be in jail. And he's five years old, and this is his hobby. Okay, but his dad is a professional motorcyclist, not a- Doesn't even matter. Driver of a Lamborghini.

Starting point is 00:25:42 Even if- They're different names. Even if this kid got in an accident and got in parish, even if it was proved that it was 100% the fault of the car and not the driver, like that father should go to jail for the rest of his life. You're putting your kid in a situation that doesn't need to be in.

Starting point is 00:25:57 But also he's supporting the hobby. Like this is the child's hobby. It's a five-year-old. Your five-year-old hobby is whatever you put in front of them. Also, like you can't, it requires a massive amount of, I'm assuming, training. Even professional drivers who are of adult age have died behind the wheel. Like, you know, like this is,

Starting point is 00:26:15 if something were to happen, you shouldn't be putting a child in that situation. It takes a long time for like race car drivers to move up from carts to like formula or whatever route they're going. So I'm also kind of like, it takes a long time for like race car drivers to move up from carts to like formula or whatever route they're going. So I'm also kind of like, why are we, I see that it says that he, his, the kid excelled in go-karting, but I'm like, why are we testing the limits past that?

Starting point is 00:26:35 Also excelled in go-karting. Like that's completely fucking different. Like if River's good at, I don't know, swimming in the bathtub, like I'm not going to throw her into the lake and be like, well, know, swimming in the bathtub. Like I'm not gonna throw her into the lake and be like, well, you can swim in the bathtub. Yeah. Like. Oasis?

Starting point is 00:26:50 Who is Oasis? They're two brothers. Okay. In a band. Wonderwall. What are they, can you sing it? And maybe you're the kind of thing that makes you crazy or something.

Starting point is 00:27:02 And after all, you're my wonder. I just don't want us to get sued for copyright infringement. So I'm just like changing. Okay, is that why you're acting like you don't know the lyrics? Oh, no, yeah. He's like not singing good. Really smart. Because he doesn't want to sound like them.

Starting point is 00:27:14 Anyways, two brothers who haven't spoken, they don't talk or get along or something. They're ending a 15 year hiatus. Do you think this is all a bit? Wait, they're starting to talk again. They're going on tour, it's not televised. I'll be honest, I don't get, I love the song Wonderwall, but there seems to be,

Starting point is 00:27:32 there was a big demand for them to come back. Champagne supernova. Sure. Sing it. Champagne supernova in the sky. Oh yeah, you will find me. Right in my soul. Yeah. Yeah, and definitely at a concert, fun for everyone to get together and sing and bring

Starting point is 00:27:49 out their lights and phones. But like, I mean, like, whatever. But I think that's like kind of what's happening right now. It's like the resurgence of everything that was cool back in like late 90s, early 2000s, every band. Because we've lost all creativity. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Starting point is 00:28:01 So it's like even going into stores and stuff and seeing like Juicy Couture and certain things that I was like really popular in the early 2000s now just like rebranded, I think Ed Hardy's back. Like there's a lot of, or Von Von Dutch. Like there's just like a lot of things that are coming back that I was like, I thought we would never see you again. Yeah, Donch. True religion.

Starting point is 00:28:18 True religions are back. True religion is back. I'm not kidding you. Everything that you thought died, lost their storefront, went bankrupt. They are back. I'm not kidding you. Everything that you thought died, lost their storefront, went bankrupt, they are back. They are back. Wow.

Starting point is 00:28:31 Topic. Is there any other famous groups that y'all would wanna see get back together? I feel like I would wanna see Destiny's Child get back together. Oh, that's a good one. That would never happen though. Beyonce's too big. Beyonce is Beyonce. Justin Timberlake was once too big. Oh, that's a good one. That would never happen though. I know. Beyonce's too big.

Starting point is 00:28:45 Beyonce is Beyonce. Justin Timberlake was once too big. Again, a reunion tour would be iconic. You don't need a new album, we don't need the amount of money you would make for just a reunion tour, just to see you guys on stage. Minus the Spice Girls, they also did do a reunion tour. It was my first concert ever too,

Starting point is 00:29:02 but they did a reunion tour like 15 years ago, sobbing like a baby. If they did it one more time, I would buy the ticket. They did it like five years ago now. It was, no, I think it was much longer than that because I went to it, but unless they did one and I didn't know about it, which. Uh-oh.

Starting point is 00:29:18 Fake band. I got a letter for HR. Does Dave Matthews' band still tour? They used to be like, they would just tour for years. They haven't had like an album come out since like early 2000s. Yeah, they do have tour dates. They do? They're still going.

Starting point is 00:29:31 Good for them. I had friends who would like go all weekend. People who love Dave Matthews band like loved Dave Matthews. It's a community. It's a cult. 20 minute songs. Literally.

Starting point is 00:29:41 Oh, that's crazy. You're like, oh my God, they're jamming. And fish, fish fans are like cult, culty. I don't know any of these people. There's fish deltaring? Yep, they were at the Sphere in Las Vegas. Oh my God, my sister and John just went to go see Grateful Dead and they had at the Sphere in Las Vegas

Starting point is 00:30:00 and they had John Mayer play guitar. He's been playing with the Grateful Dead for a long time now. Well, I know. It's so cool though. I thought I was Sick. He's been playing with the Grateful Dead for a long time now. What the fuck do I know? It's so cool though. I thought it was sick. That's a cool little tidbit.

Starting point is 00:30:09 Right, I know. I wanna see, oh, and did you ever hear the John Mayer trio? He had like a side project, and they would just like riff, and it's really like jazzy, blues, like it's so fucking good. I would love to go see them in concert, but he doesn't do that.

Starting point is 00:30:23 Apparently he tours with the Grateful Dead, so period. He's busy. He's fucking booked and busy. He's busy. You know who's in LA, probably booked and busy? Liv and Kaylor. So they're now living together in LA, or they're gonna move and then live together in LA.

Starting point is 00:30:37 Let me text that bitch. She's in LA. Soon. But I've heard allegedly that they're filming a reality show. I heard that they are filming something that's simple life-esque called blonde moments. When you say you heard, I mean, they have posted something.

Starting point is 00:30:53 They're filming, they're like out and about filming. I saw. I'm just saying, you're making it seem like you guys got some insider tea. And is it tea or is it something we all know? We are the insider. Their own TikToks. There you go.

Starting point is 00:31:04 Their activity suggests that they are trying to. Well, there was an announcement about blonde moments. Oh, what? What did the announcement say? That they're filming a show that's simple life-esque and that they're trying to pitch it to a network or I think that it might end up on YouTube depending upon who picks it up.

Starting point is 00:31:17 But that's also what I'm curious about because remember when they went to Universal and there were cameras following them around and I thought we were gonna see that footage at the reunion, We clearly haven't. So I'm like, what are they? The live wasn't there. No, no, just the final four.

Starting point is 00:31:32 Sierra's like, I signed a fucking release. Where am I? I wanna know why. Literally, yeah, remember Kayla, they brought the camera in to film her. They were filming some BTS when Kailor came in here. That might be for their show, but I'm wondering if there's also something happening

Starting point is 00:31:49 with PPG and the men's because I'm like, they were being filmed at Universal and we never saw that footage. Well, the big question is, I mean, Love Island USA season six, right? Season six? Really popped off, if you haven't noticed. It's been a sensation, truly.

Starting point is 00:32:05 I don't think a show has been this popular since Love is Blind season one during the beginning stages of pandemic, where it seemed like everyone who consumed and then some reality TV are watching it. And then the big question is, and now you have all, many of these casts have massive followings.

Starting point is 00:32:23 What's their star power? What's their staying power? Like what's their staying power? Like now they're all gonna try to make it. What do y'all think was bigger, Love Island USA or Scandival? Ooh. Scandival, no, Scandival. Scandival for sure,

Starting point is 00:32:36 because they ended up on like CNN headlines and I was like, wait, we've got nothing else going on in the world? Yeah, because it was more of a story and it just, and well, Scandival had the staying power. I mean, people were talking about it a year later And then I think we were already kind of slowly moving on from Love Island. What's this cast staying power? You know and I'm not you know outside of their hardcore fans their followers who are just like I'm talking about their staying power to

Starting point is 00:33:02 do other things and continue to recreate themselves, reinvent themselves. It'll be interesting to see. Yeah, I mean, by all means, cash in on it and we'll see what happens. I support it. I'll watch Blonde Moments. I'm really curious to see. I always say when it comes to these shows,

Starting point is 00:33:20 it's a very unique atmosphere. There's a lot of bonding. Everyone in these bubbles go through this kind of traumatic bonding experience. And friendships are often formed, and then fans like love, fans love friendships. Like even on the Bachelor or Bachelorette, it's just like, we wanna see the friendship.

Starting point is 00:33:36 Like fans love that, right? And then sometimes cast will like, it'll almost incentivize them. The friendships start in a genuine place and then the fans latch a hold of the friendships and then people realize that people love to see the friendships and then they get in their friendships. It'll be interesting to see who is still friends and what friendships maybe even have created over the next year with the Love Island cast because I always say it takes a good year outside of the show that they filmed to see like who is friends with who at that period

Starting point is 00:34:07 because you have to kind of come out of the bubble, live your life and see who's actually staying connected, who's staying in touch and who is actually gonna stay friends because like being able to be friends in that environment, sometimes it's, you know, you have no support system so you latch on to people for different reasons, reasons that might not keep you friends

Starting point is 00:34:26 outside of the bubble. Jared Haven, one of my closest friends, one of my groomsmen, we weren't friends filming, you know, we didn't really, we weren't that close, we didn't even get along all that much, you know, and outside of the show, we became very good friends. There have been people who were best friends in Bachelor Nation that like just kind of stopped

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Starting point is 00:39:20 Thank you. I have so many questions. Before we get into Scott and Lacey Peterson documentaries that we've been watching, just a little trigger warning. Obviously we were talking about sensitive material, domestic violence, things of that nature. So be forewarned. So if that's out of your appetite,

Starting point is 00:39:37 just know that that's what we'll be discussing. Also, we are commentating on spectators and viewers of this who are fascinated with this case. But we are not experts in this case at all. No forensic backgrounds, not claiming to be. Two documentaries have been streaming the internet, one on Netflix, one on Peacock. The one on Netflix, definitely Lacey's family is involved. He talks about the case kind of at face value.

Starting point is 00:40:04 I mean, I don't think you can watch that documentary without leaving thinking he obviously committed the crime. Right? Yeah. And then the Peacock one suggests that, well, the Peacock one leaves it more open-ended. Well, that one focuses on like the Innocence Project, picking up Scott Peterson's case

Starting point is 00:40:21 and kind of giving reasonable doubt that maybe he didn't do it. I don't believe that. I do find it interesting that the Innocence Project does not take cases unless they truly believe they can win it. Well, there is a difference in, that's really also interesting when we discuss these cases,

Starting point is 00:40:38 because especially when you discuss like legal cases, there's innocent and there's not guilty, you know, and there's winning the case. They say the burden is on the state, right? To prove there's no reasonable doubt or the burden's on the state because the defense only has to prove reasonable doubt. Just like the possibility that they couldn't have done it.

Starting point is 00:41:01 Where the state, but they have all the resources, they have all the money and things like that. And so the question isn't always like, but they all have all the resources. They have all the money, you know, and things like that. And so the question isn't always like, did they do it? But like, is there reasonable doubt? The innocent till proven guilty, even though I don't really believe that that's how we operate. No, no, no.

Starting point is 00:41:17 That's what it's supposed to be. You're supposed to, you know, the question is like, did you prove beyond a reasonable doubt whether they did it or not? And when it comes, the Peacock documentary pretty clearly paints a clear picture that regardless of whether you think Scott Peterson did it or not,

Starting point is 00:41:33 there is clearly reasonable doubt. And then that kind of muddies the waters. And it is crazy how one of the jurors was saying, like there was not one piece of evidence that we looked at that showed that Scott Peterson did this. Like there was not one piece of evidence that we looked at that showed that Scott Peterson did this. There was not one. Shred of physical evidence. Yeah, and that is pretty crazy

Starting point is 00:41:52 that he got convicted off of no evidence. There was no crime scene, there was no murder weapon, there was no cause of death, there was no time of death. But there were details that were fishy. There was a mound of circumstantial evidence. And if you've recently seen the show Presumed Innocent starring Jake Gyllenhaal, there's some parallels there. What's also interesting, Nellie didn't realize this,

Starting point is 00:42:14 Nellie wasn't familiar with the Scott and Lacey Peterson trial until these documentaries came out. But if you've seen the movie Gone Girl, starring Ben Affleck, it's pretty clear that the writers of Gone Girl. Gillian Flynn. Very much take a lot of the aspects of the Scott and Ladys to see Peterson trial. And they put in like an interesting spin.

Starting point is 00:42:36 If you've seen Gone Girl, Gone Girl is about. Well Gone Girl is based off of a book. Yeah, it's fictional. So the book based. It's a fictional book. Yeah. Okay. I haven't read the book, I've seen the movie. I'm assuming there's a lot of similarities or it's a book based? It's a fictional book. I haven't read the book, I've seen the movie, I'm assuming there's a lot of similarities,

Starting point is 00:42:46 it's mostly identical, but in the movie that I saw starring Ben Affleck, yeah, it's about a man who is wrongfully accused of his wife's murder. His wife basically sets up her own staged murder, disappears, et cetera, et cetera, comes back, you realize she's crazy, yada yada. And in that movie, they basically show you how someone could look guilty, but not be guilty.

Starting point is 00:43:10 Why someone might dye their hair because the media frenzy and things like that. In this movie, Ben Affleck's character was having an affair with a younger woman and giving interviews where he came off looking even worse before he started. And these are all things that happened to the Scott and Lacey Peterson trial.

Starting point is 00:43:29 So it's very fascinating to have watched that movie being familiar with the case and be like, oh, well, you know, like maybe we jumped to conclusions or things like that. But the one thing Nellie and I couldn't get over, he sold her car. Yep, while she was still missing. So it's like.

Starting point is 00:43:45 Which is presented in the Netflix documentary but not the Peacock one. I would say the Peacock one, we know he sold it but they made it seem like he sold it before or that she knew that they were selling the car. Yeah, see that's not clear in the Netflix one and it makes it seem. So wait, in the Peacock one I missed that.

Starting point is 00:44:00 So his excuse was. Because I only watched the Peacock one. Okay. And like, well, his excuse is that she knew of them selling the car. They were planning on selling it as a couple they talked about selling this car. She went missing and he was like, still gotta complete the sale.

Starting point is 00:44:15 Yeah, like coincidental timing. Yeah, there's so many details of from when this originally happened versus the Peacock documentary where I'm like, now we're just changing around facts and wording and saying that something meant something else because now we had time to come up with it. But I'm like, it was like the car,

Starting point is 00:44:32 there was another reason for like him having the money. And now they're saying it was that he was trying to sell his car to his brother. There was way too many quips. He was caught with like his brother's ID and like family members, credit cards and everything. And then said he was going to play golf and like trying to scam the golf course.

Starting point is 00:44:47 And it's like, none of these facts were ever a part of your original story. So it's like you've had time trying to get out and hoping that this is blown over, that like we're not gonna remember, but it's like, no, sir, you said that your hair dyed blonde because of chlorine, and now you're saying it's because you were getting harassed

Starting point is 00:45:04 by the media. Like there's just so many different twist to what he's already originally said to defend himself back when that I'm like, I'm sorry I just don't accept that it is really crazy to me that they found the brown orange van that one witness said she saw in front of the Modesto, Medina house? The neighbor house that got robbed. Off the street got robbed within the same timeframe

Starting point is 00:45:31 of Lacy's disappearance. So obviously that presented another explanation for Lacy's disappearance. And a couple of neighbors said they saw this van and whatever and they saw people standing outside of this house. And in the Peacock one, you find out that they found the van a mile away from- They found a van.

Starting point is 00:45:56 They found a van a mile away from Lacey's house, burnt, but the only place, like someone had set it on fire with a gas can inside, but under the metal gas can was like what didn't catch on fire. So it was like part of a mattress that had human blood on it. Which is a very weird coincidence in the other direction. Right, and then for the Innocence Project to be like, we want to test this DNA that's on this bed

Starting point is 00:46:24 and see like, is it l test this DNA that's on this bed and see like, is it Lacy's? And the judge said no. And like that seems really weird to me. Suspicious, yeah. Like why not test everything? Why not be a million percent sure that it is Scott Peterson?

Starting point is 00:46:37 Even if you're Lacy's family, who clearly at this point is of the belief that there's no question that Scott did it. You could, yeah, like shut them up. Let's test the stuff. No one should be afraid of this DNA being tested. Scott has nothing to lose. Even if he did it and he knows he did it and he knows it's not going to be Lacey's DNA, he's still going to fight for it just to, because them not discovering Lacey's DNA on that mattress doesn't prove that he did it, it doesn't prove his innocence. So he has no downside of suggesting, he's still on it.

Starting point is 00:47:15 And then if you're Lacey's family, or if you're the cops, or you're in the district attorney office, yeah, why not shut everyone up and just test it if you're so convinced? It's also not Lacey's family's decision not to test the DNA. No, no, no, no. I'm just saying, like, I think there's an argument

Starting point is 00:47:31 to be made, rightfully so, that if you're Lacey's family, Scott doing this, Scott arguing his innocence, the Innocence Project taking his case is a fuck you to her family and prevents them from potentially healing. I mean, it must be very difficult for her family to have these documentaries come out. Well, they were part of the first one,

Starting point is 00:47:52 so obviously they were part of that, but the second one that so like, you know, spends half, at least half, if not more, it honestly felt a little bit more like pushing his innocence than anything else, the Peacock one. It was more down the middle, but. Which I can't imagine being them a little bit more like pushing his innocence than anything else, the peacock one. It was more down the middle, but. Which I can't imagine being them

Starting point is 00:48:07 and like reliving this whole thing 20 some years later. But to that point, you should, I would assume they would want to test that shit, you know, so that they could. That is strange, that was a weird part for me. Definitely, but I'm also just like, the story is like coming back up out of it, where it was like even the burglars, where it was like there was only two part for me. Definitely, but I'm also just like, the story is like coming back up out of it, where it was like even the burglars,

Starting point is 00:48:28 where it was like there was only two burglars. Now the story coming back later is that these two burglars called three unidentified men to come and like take Lacey, you know what I mean? Where I'm like, they dropped him off in your fishing spot. Was questioned. Also like to me, oh go ahead. Was she, just remember?

Starting point is 00:48:46 Well see. It's unclear, no, cause her body was missing in the bay for several weeks, and so I think it just decomposed. We know that the baby's body was separate from her body. Yeah, and I think by the time they found Lacey's body, it was in pretty bad shape, but I don't believe it was like,

Starting point is 00:49:02 if you've seen like a Dexter situation, I don't think that was it. I don't think she was like cut in've seen, you know, like a Dexter situation. I don't think that's what, that was it. I don't think she was like cut in half or anything, but that's where the whole confusion with the weights that he made, the anchors, the little like cement ones, because they were saying that it was very clear from his like workshop that he had made multiple. They asked him, he said he only made one,

Starting point is 00:49:20 which is the one that was still in the boat. And what I'm wondering is, was the body tied to, this is speculation, was the body tied to an anchor with fish, the mammal life and what, marine life and whatnot, maybe like eating whatever, that maybe it separated and that's why you ended up with the torso and also giving the baby ability to come out of the stuff.

Starting point is 00:49:41 When they were searching through the Bay Area, they found anchors that were similar to the ones he had made, not the same, but similar, and then said when they were searching through the Bay Area, they found anchors that were similar to the ones he had made. Not the same, but similar, and then they just threw it back in the ocean. Because the people who were searching were like, this is nothing. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:49:51 And then they could never find it again. The smoking gun, to be clear, there has been no smoking gun in this case. It's all been, again, circumstantial evidence. But in my mind, what I took as a smoking gun, what I was struggling with, especially watching the Netflix documentary, and most of the Peacock one, was like,

Starting point is 00:50:07 they found her body in this bay, 90 plus miles from where they lived. And then he was, and it was just proven, it was proven that Scott Peterson was fishing in the same place her body was found the day she went missing. And it's like, what more do we need? He also never denied that part.

Starting point is 00:50:25 No, it was a fact. He claimed he was there. But then there's this defense analyst on the Peacock one that points out, listen, the whole world knew where Scott Peterson was the day his wife went missing. So if you are the perpetrator, and assuming you're not Scott Peterson,

Starting point is 00:50:42 you could dispose of her body in the same place you already knew Scott was, quote unquote, framing him. The only problem I have with that version of that story, I don't think that came out like the next day. And probably maybe even a week, but certainly several days. So that means the perpetrator murdered her, hung onto her body. You know, I guess they could say, well, she kidnapped her.

Starting point is 00:51:03 They kidnap her and then what, kill her later? And that doesn't, those versions, while possible, seem more far-fetched. Like one of the cops, I forget which documentary it was, but they interviewed the same police officers for both. And they pointed out, it's just like the burglars, they were professional burglars. And again, these guys are,

Starting point is 00:51:23 cops are pretty good at profiling criminals. And they pointed out what seemed to make a lot of sense is like professional burglars don't like just become violent criminals. Like these guys, they don't they have a history of stealing many houses over the years. No history of violent criminal. They don't just kidnap an eight month pregnant woman and savagely murder her. It would be unlikely. There was a detail though where the truck that was set on fire was near the house of a relative of the people that had robbed the area that she lived in. So that's why it's like, I can see that aspect being a little... Yeah, and then the other part that the Peacock documentary

Starting point is 00:52:01 presented that, again, kind of like the DNA, was there were like several, four or five quote unquote eye witnesses that claimed to have seen Lacey Peterson walking near the area after the time that Scott reported that she went missing. Yes. Or some vert, like something like that. They saw her near the boat shop.

Starting point is 00:52:21 So they were trying to say that Lacey never knew about the boat. But then he was saying, well there's witnesses that were not included before that saw Lacey around the boat shop. Or just by walking. Yeah. With the dog.

Starting point is 00:52:33 And walking, yeah, it was both of them. But it seemed like, to be clear, Scott Peterson's lawyer, a very high profile lawyer at the time, chose not to even bring those witnesses up on the stand. There is that. Now their explanation is like, you know, they're eyewitnesses who didn't know her personally and even they, Scott Peterson's own team acknowledged that they're not the most, you know, reliable witnesses.

Starting point is 00:53:00 And like when you, so the defense doesn't want to bring an unreliable witness onto the stand. And so, yeah, but that matters that his own defense team didn't use that opportunity to clear his name. The interesting part to me is like the whole Bay Area part of it, because like my family's from the Bay and nobody is fishing in the Bay at that time, the day before Christmas.

Starting point is 00:53:19 Like that's not a thing people do. And like in the Peacock one, they pointed out that there's reservoirs so much closer to where they lived in Modesto that he could have fished to, but he drove like hours out of his way. Hours to fish in a place. Now he, Scott, I don't know if he actually said this, but a lot of his excuses are around the like,

Starting point is 00:53:37 he pled stupidity for a lot of things. Well, I didn't really know. I was like, I'm a new fisherman. It was like the Bay. But again, like how likely is that? You're looking up the currents in the bay, but you're not looking up the fishing reports? These burglars that don't know you

Starting point is 00:53:52 show up at your spot, at your fishing spot. He was looking up currents, and then he had fishing bait packages unopened. Now granted, maybe he didn't use those, but again, there was just a mountain of circumstantial evidence, all coupled with the fact that he was having an affair, and just like, affair doesn't mean you killed someone,

Starting point is 00:54:14 but he just was so good at lying and lied so many times and just lied. He wasn't good at lying though because... Well, he told Amber that his wife was missing before she went missing, that his wife was dead before she went missing, that his wife was dead before she went missing. It's a different kind of loss. Correct, maybe correction.

Starting point is 00:54:29 I wouldn't say he's good at lying. When you know he's lying, you go back, you hear the lies. It's easy to say you're a bad liar, but if you don't know the truth, he was very calm and he said it very matter of factly. Put it this way, he seemingly lied with ease. I think when you see people lie with ease, again, that still doesn't make you a murderer,

Starting point is 00:54:51 but you add that into all these other variables. There was something about when his mistress found out that he was in fact married, that was like the same day he bought the boat and then basically speculated on his wife's disappearance, which is a fuck up. Weeks before. He told her that her wife was lost.

Starting point is 00:55:13 His wife was lost. He lost his wife. Days before she was. Which would imply that she's dead. The same day that he bought the boat. And then confessed to her over recordings that he had lied about that, which I'm like, cause now it's front page news.

Starting point is 00:55:27 And how does that not make you look like the most guilty? And you're just being like, no, there's other ways of like, like, honey, you said you lost your wife while she was still alive, still at home. And then also the whole like him like, going with her to like a party or whatever. And then it's like, Lacey's by herself with like the family

Starting point is 00:55:42 and like, he's just like out gallivanting around while his pregnant wife. Like, I'm just like, there's so many moves here and you didn't want Lacey's by herself with the family and he's just out gallivanting around while his pregnant wife, I'm just like, there's so many moves here and you didn't wanna have kids to begin with and they do say that it's the number one cause of death for pregnant women is the spouse not wanting to have children. That was a crazy stat,

Starting point is 00:55:57 which when you think about this case, I think a lot of people ask themselves or say, what a horrific crime, how could it be the husband? Or how could it be the father of this kid? But to your point, like sadly, it is a very common crime against women, husbands who don't wanna have kids. And the number one cause of pregnant women

Starting point is 00:56:20 is from their spouse. Also him talking to Diane Sawyer and saying like, she's like the nursery and he's like, I can't even. He's put boxes, he's put crap, he's put. That's where I said he's not a good liar, because then there was also the whole, like his rain boots were, or his shoes were wet, but then his jacket wasn't in the car. Do you remember that detail? He was sloppy, regardless, but I think people like him, I think most, when it comes to liars of like,

Starting point is 00:56:38 who's the liar, who's the liar, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, or his shoes were wet but then his jacket wasn't in the car? Do you remember that detail? He was sloppy, regardless. But I think people like him, I think most, when it comes to liars who are just like, lie through their teeth, the sociopathic type of people,

Starting point is 00:56:53 what makes them good, again, is their ease of lying. It's not that they're lying only about things that people can't disprove, is that I think most people, us as humans, we're just like, we just believe people. And we all, we, our instinct is to give the benefit of the doubt. So like, I think most people like him are just gone through life just used to not people fact checking him. He hasn't, he's not used to being investigated for someone's disappearance or murder. This

Starting point is 00:57:19 is the first time up into this point, he's just been used to like saying whatever and people just taking them at his word. And I think that's, you know, he's just been used to saying whatever and people just taking him at his word. And I think that's what I mean by, I think comfortable liar is a better, accurate phrase. Also, my big thing too, even just going from the very beginning of how everything came about was the phone call where it's like, you went home, realized your wife is missing,

Starting point is 00:57:40 your dog is on a leash and she's nowhere to be found, called family where I'm like, he sat down, had pizza, had some milk, and then called the parents being like, your wife's not, or my wife's not here, your daughter's missing, why wouldn't you call the police? Or call right away?

Starting point is 00:57:54 Actually, that to me is the weakest argument. I think of, you know, if I came home, it's a little, I mean, I don't have a daughter, but I think you don't come home and immediately assume the worst, you know? You don't come home and immediately assume the worst. You don't come home and be like, honey, where are you? It's like, you think, oh, they stepped out

Starting point is 00:58:10 or went for a walk or maybe they went into the store or whatever, you don't assume. And so maybe he took a shower or had a pizza and then it's like, wait, I can't get ahold of him. I wouldn't call the police, I would. I would call, have you seen the closest friends or family, like people, you know. Sure, but she's eight months pregnant.

Starting point is 00:58:27 She's gotten doctor's notes saying that she has fainting spells and that she shouldn't be out moving and whatnot. It's the night before Christmas. It's the night before Christmas. It doesn't help, I'm just saying, of all the circumstantial evidence, to me, what's more kind of like he did it

Starting point is 00:58:40 is when you hear the cops talk about the day he got arrested for her murder. In the back. In the back. In the back of the car. He doesn't come across as nervous or anything and like orders like a fucking like in and out. Double double with fries and a vanilla shake. I'm sorry.

Starting point is 00:58:55 A vanilla shake? And he was just like, oh I just assumed they would eventually get the right guy and it's just like, I'm sorry. If I'm wrongfully arrested for my wife's murder knowing that like. You also just found out that your wife, it was your wife in the bay.

Starting point is 00:59:10 Yeah, I mean like up until this point, like he's just been like, I just was like hoping they would still find her alive and we need to look for her alive. So yeah, you just find out that your wife and baby are in fact murdered. They are dead, they have passed away. And then you're arrested for their murder.

Starting point is 00:59:28 And if you didn't do it, you still know that like, they're gonna assume you did because like all the stats point to you and you're like, I'm hungry. I'm sorry, you don't have an appetite. Especially if you're wrongfully accused. When you're wrongfully accused and you're thinking this is the worst possible thing that could happen to me,

Starting point is 00:59:47 my wife, my baby, they're dead and now I'm being framed for their murder and he's hungry. To me, that's way more like he did it than like he, you know, trying to speculate over like coming home and like, did he call the cops or family first or, you know, the time between, because I think it takes a while for you to start being like, wait, is something wrong here?

Starting point is 01:00:08 Is something going on? If I came home and Nellie wasn't home, I would be like, oh, where did she go? Oh, she must be out. I'm just saying circumstances for her well-being sounds like she shouldn't be unattended walking around because she could have passed out somewhere. So I'm like, knowing what your wife is going through,

Starting point is 01:00:30 it's not so much like, and even then, fine, call her friends, see where she is, but it's like the idea that the parents had to be the ones to like call the police and like tell them all this information when you're the one that's like coming home and she's not there. I just think it's fucking weird. That's weird, it's just, it's less of a.

Starting point is 01:00:45 The rug by the back door was scrunched up and he said he like took the umbrellas from the backyard and like wrapped them in tarp. I didn't understand that detail. It was like he put her in his truck, but wanted to like cover it. So if like any cameras or anything caught him, it was just him taking the umbrellas

Starting point is 01:01:09 to his storage unit, boat place, whatever, backed his truck into that place, took her out and put her in the boat. And then- The way that they explained how they think that he did it, I mean, makes the most sense to me versus, again, as I said, I just don't know that these burglars are bringing other people in to now take her body

Starting point is 01:01:30 90 minutes away and dump them in the exact same spot that you go fishing. Like the coincidence is there, it makes zero sense. I am curious what the amount of people who are now kind of like questioning the case after that Peacock one. Like I do wonder. Probably a lot. Cause I feel like it was very like Scott Peterson did this

Starting point is 01:01:51 and now that they're like the Innocence Project has come in and like they have this whole documentary out that's like bringing in all these witnesses and this and that and that. I am curious like if that has swayed anyone. I'm sure a lot of people. I'm sure it has. If for no other reason than like,

Starting point is 01:02:06 people like Jade to play devil's advocate, there is enough questions raised. The peacock one very effectively presents reasonable doubt. And when you bring in reasonable doubt to a case that you shouldn't have, especially for someone who was initially convicted to death, people are gonna raise questions. That's why they should test the DNA.

Starting point is 01:02:28 No, that's my algorithm. Eliminate, eliminate his alibis, eliminate his excuses, eliminate the unbelievable stories that these professional burglars decided to make a brutal murder, to do a brutal crime. And then that also required like mystery accomplices that were never seen, eliminated all those. Right.

Starting point is 01:02:51 Yeah, I wish they would do that. For the sake of her family. No, it's fair, cause I was gonna say, my TikTok algorithm is actually kind of sad cause it's very much like back and forth where it'll be like somebody will be like, I just watched the Scott Peterson, I think he's innocent.

Starting point is 01:03:03 I just watched Scott Peterson and I remember this case from back when and this is why he's guilty. So I be like, I just watched the Scott Peterson, I think he's innocent, I just watched Scott Peterson, and I remember this case from back when, and this is why he's guilty. So I'm like, I'm assuming his, their parents aren't like on TikTok, but I'm like also like how scarring, you know what I mean? To like be like, oh, people are speculating

Starting point is 01:03:15 whether or not my daughter died the way that I know that she did. The disappointing part is, is like, and listen, and we, you know, you can argue we play into it, is just the media element of it. And that, and we can argue, we play into it, is just the media element of it. And that, and what Gone Girl does present

Starting point is 01:03:28 is a very believable and realistic presentation of how as media and fan frenzy and hysteria can play a role in these cases. And they do affect the outcome from time to time. And knowing that is the case, it's just a, like, it's a very horrific thing what happened to Lacey Peterson. It's horrific for someone to be wrongfully accused.

Starting point is 01:03:56 And when that possibility is presented, a lot of people latch onto that, you know? Because it would be horrific if he in fact didn't do it. And then you imagine, oh my God, he lost his wife, he lost his kid, he's been spending the past 20 years in prison, yada yada. You know, so it really sucks that there is this reasonable doubt, you know, because there is such

Starting point is 01:04:19 a mountain of circumstantial evidence that it's just like, there's way too many, there's just way too many coincidences. And as these cops always say, it's like, they don't believe in coincidence in murder cases. And there's like 30, I don't know, not 30, there are several coincidences that point to his guilt that he just chalks up as to his dumb luck. You know? You know?

Starting point is 01:04:39 And it's like, you're not that stupid. I was like, the way that they would have so many tapes of me being like, I did not do this, like, you know what I mean? It's like none of that. He's not defensive about it. He's not like weird about it, where I'm like, you're not that stupid. I was like, the way that they would have so many tapes of me being like, I did not do this. Like, you know what I mean? It's like none of that. He's not defensive about it. He's not like weird about it where I'm like, if I get accused for doing something so minuscule,

Starting point is 01:04:52 I will still like die on that hill that I did not do this and I need you to know I did not do this. And his argument is kind of like, oh, well I was, you know, I was annoyed with him and I wanted to play it cool. But yeah, to your point, like you don't play it cool. Yeah, when you're- You don't think to yourself when you're being investigated, you find out your wife's missing,

Starting point is 01:05:09 of eight months being pregnant. First of all, once you realize they're in fact missing, and after 40 hours, there should be some evidence of your panic or frustration or concern. There was none of that. Even that phone call with the detective where he was like, tell me that there's like something, like something else that you guys are finding in this.

Starting point is 01:05:31 And he's like, no, Scott, like I'm, unfortunately you're the only person that everything's pointing to. Like the way that if somebody said that to me on the phone, I would be in hysterics already being like, what do I have to do to prove, I will go along with anything. He didn't do the polygraph test,

Starting point is 01:05:44 even though like we know that they're not fully accurate or whatever. But I'm like, not really cooperating with media where I'm like all of the families are just being like, please, if she's out there, if you know where she is, like how easy, how simple and how that should just be not what like expected. Like that should be the next move that you would make being like, I just want my wife and kids back. And it's like, he did none of that.

Starting point is 01:06:05 He was like, nope, I don't wanna be in the front. You guys handle it, having her friends do everything, having her family do everything. And it's like, it's your wife, an unborn baby. Why do you not care? And also, why are you not defending yourself? It's fucking weird, but calling your mistress, telling her that you love her still.

Starting point is 01:06:20 Yeah, he was still calling her. Come on. What was his excuse? He was like, I didn't want her to think anything, or I didn't want her to be brought into it or something like that. And it was like, so I just wanna keep it as normal. And like, keep that.

Starting point is 01:06:35 That's also part of it. Yeah, his general excuse for all of this was that he was trying to maintain the lie of an affair because knowing if that came forward, everyone would think he's guilty, which is a very believable, like, you know, okay, that makes sense. But the point is,

Starting point is 01:06:52 regardless of how broken your marriage may have been, your wife and eight-month-old baby are gone missing. And after 48 hours, you know, hopes of them returning safely drastically diminish. Like for anyone to be able to maintain anything. Like acting cool. Yeah. You know, is already weird and fucked up

Starting point is 01:07:14 that you are like, well, you know, you just. The fact that you can separate the two is. Yeah, the disconnect. And the whole like, everyone grieves differently. Yeah, sure, everyone grieves differently, but at the same time, like there's some sort of emotion or as I said, you would step forward, even if you're not the type to like sob hysterically

Starting point is 01:07:31 or be like, you know, like this is really fucked up and I just really want my wife and kid back. That's all, but it's like, you couldn't even do that stoically, it's like you showed zero emotion, zero concern, zero cooperation with finding your wife. You know what I mean? Like you weren't, and even then him like driving down to the bay to check while they're like looking,

Starting point is 01:07:48 while they're scoping it out and whatnot, but like not actively a part of this investigation. It's the whole thing. It's reminded me of like serial killers. That's like a thing that they have where it's like, they go back to the spot where they did things. And it's like, and when they told him that they were looking in the bay and he was just like,

Starting point is 01:08:01 oh, like, you know what I mean? Is there anything I can do to help? Like, but this is where I go fishing. Like this is, you know, like, I don't know, just anything. He didn't offer any help to like find or bring back his wife. And so that's why I'm like all of this stuff coming out after the fact with the reasonable doubt, I'm like, how convenient, you know?

Starting point is 01:08:17 Oh my God. There was three people that we've never talked about in the previous court case, but yes, maybe they took your wife and went straight to your spot. Also, do y'all also think he might have possibly could have been in love or with his sister-in-law? I saw the fact, the way that she has gone to law school

Starting point is 01:08:34 to become a lawyer for this case and has studied this case so hard. I just find it interesting that it's not his brother. It's his brother's wife who's so involved in trying to prove his innocence. And while like I love all my in-laws, like I don't know how to do all that. Yeah, I don't know.

Starting point is 01:08:52 I just think while one, we all know that true crime in general, the space, podcasts, documentaries, are people are very into it. People love to play detective, people love to play lawyer. When it hits your family directly, it is definitely a stain on your family's legacy. She is married into this family. I could see her in someone who's already fascinated

Starting point is 01:09:16 by true crime. She's a lawyer of the family, have her speak on it. But she went back to school to be a lawyer. But I could, I mean, something like that will fuck a jar of your family and I don't think that necessarily means, I don't think it means a fair. There's weird speculation about it on the internet for sure. Like her like need to be so involved in it and also I thought the like reading the fan

Starting point is 01:09:37 mail was a little bit of a weird take. Oh yeah. Listen, it just again, people do all sorts of things to deal with trauma. This family, the Peterson family, excluding Scott, regardless of whether you think he did or didn't, has experienced severe trauma. Absolutely. Just along with Lacey's family.

Starting point is 01:09:55 I think it's, to speculate on their bizarre behavior over the years, I think, again, what we know is clear is they have experienced trauma. Because it is like if something like that were to happen about one of my in-laws or my siblings, it would be hard for me to be like, oh yeah, I do see all of those coincidences. That is weird, did you do it?

Starting point is 01:10:18 Like, that would be incredibly hard. You believe in the best, yeah. It's just like, again, there's also a part of you that doesn't want it to be true, because yours is a fear of, well, what does that say about you and your family? Whether that's fair or not, I think there's an internal protection that you are,

Starting point is 01:10:35 you will do whatever to believe. The best in your kid, for sure. Because their guilt also impacts you. And that's a very human nature thing to do. So I really don't fault Scott's family for wanting to believe him, for advocating for his innocence. That's a human nature thing to do.

Starting point is 01:10:55 I felt bad for his mom and sister, though, after the court case, or the hearing, and then they made them take the perp walk in front of all of the mob of people. Yeah, it's unfortunate because it's like, obviously this is a solo person act, or it just shouldn't have to reflect on the family, on the parents, and unfortunately it does,

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Starting point is 01:14:59 They continue to live spitefully in a season of giving a shit what Shannon's doing. What could possibly be in these photographs or videos that would make any of us think, oh, they were justified for this harassment and bullying of Shannon? She did a terrible thing in the DUI. She crashed the car.

Starting point is 01:15:19 It was a hit and run. It was terrible what she did. She could have hurt someone inside of that house. And I think, thank God she didn't hurt anyone out, anyone. But I'm also like, there obviously was an escalation that happened inside the house for her to jump into her car intoxicated and skrrt. I can only imagine she said terrible things.

Starting point is 01:15:37 I don't think he is innocent in all of this. I think he plays a big part. I think a really gross thing that I think I've noticed even just like in toxic relationships and whatnot, this filming your significant other at their worst. Like crazy. Well that's the thing, this guy who is suing Shannon, just this act of this ongoing harassment and suing her,

Starting point is 01:15:59 like to Nellie's point, you don't just become that person. You know, whatever Shannon did, her DUI and her abuse of alcohol doesn't turn him into a terrible person overnight. He's been this person. The things he's doing now and feels justified for doing so says a lot about who he was as Shannon's partner. It's just next level.

Starting point is 01:16:23 It's like if you're willing to do this to your ex, now you're engaged to someone else and you're still, like what were you doing during the relationship? I can only imagine how awful you were. Right. And I'm assuming if these videos got out, we would see an extraordinarily unflattering,

Starting point is 01:16:37 terrible version of Shannon that she would almost certainly feel ashamed for and probably have to apologize because she either said or did something that hopefully is out of her character or she feels out of her character. It doesn't excuse people's behaviors, but when you abuse substances and alcohol,

Starting point is 01:16:55 you do things that are hopefully uncharacteristic of who you are. Shannon is paying the consequences, which is why I really appreciate this beginning of this episode, the whole breathalyzer moment. One, just I guess fascinating if anything, to see just like how inconvenient and easy they make it

Starting point is 01:17:11 for you to like fail these breathalyzer tests in your car. Yeah, so she had the option of surrounding her license for six months or do the breathalyzer, but the breathalyzer you have to do it, like use the breathalyzer before any time you drive and then you have to retest every five to 20 minutes randomly. It's like randomly.

Starting point is 01:17:29 So you never know when. It's like you can't start your car without blowing into it. And you have to breathe a certain way. And then if you don't do the breathalyzer before you turn the car on, or if you don't do the ones while driving, then you have three strikes, or violations. And once you get the three violations,

Starting point is 01:17:42 you have to go back to the dealership and have them redo it. But I really appreciated Shannon. Shannon's decision was based off of like, well, one, I need to get around. Right. And two, we talk a lot about shame on this show and how it's a really negative thing,

Starting point is 01:17:55 but I think there's a time and a place for shame, and shame can teach us some tough and valuable lessons. And I think what I appreciated about this is here's the state of California saying, here are our rules if you wanna, you know, you have to do this thing. And she embraced the shame of like- Reminding herself.

Starting point is 01:18:11 Reminding herself that she did a fucked up thing. And it's not her ex fiance or her ex partner or Alexis, whatever the fuck her last name is, to remind her of her mistakes. Like the state of California seems to be doing just a good enough job of doing that. And she's paying the consequences, continues to pay the consequences

Starting point is 01:18:29 and is living with this shame and it is not her ex's responsibility to be, you know, her judge, jury and executioner of what she thinks is a justifiable consequence for her actions or whatever they are. Like she's paying them, so back the fuck off. Right. Anyways, I wish them the worst in their engagement.

Starting point is 01:18:48 You started this off by being like, congratulations to Alexis and Shannon's ex. And I wish them the fucking worst. Well, I congratulate them on what I hope is gonna almost certainly be an incredible, what brings them together is their mutual disdain for Shannon. Absolutely. Yeah. You know?

Starting point is 01:19:02 And that is not a recipe for a healthy, loving relationship. Because what happens once you remove Shannon? It's embarrassing when you get the same dog. That is crazy. And everything that he says or that she says for him contradicts their actual actions, because it's, he wants nothing to do with the show, he doesn't want to be on it,

Starting point is 01:19:17 he was going to pay me the salary to not be on it, but you're not questioning the fact that Alexis actually does go on the show when you're asking her not to be on it or you don't want to be mentioned when the entire time all she's doing is talking about you and airing out all of your stuff. So I'm like, you did want to be on the show

Starting point is 01:19:31 because you did want to come after Shannon and you do want, and you're using Alexis to hurt her. And it's very obvious because if you didn't want her to be on the show that badly that you would pay for her not to be, then I would think the first thing that would come out of your mouth is do not mention my name while you're on camera.

Starting point is 01:19:45 Yeah. You know? Absolutely. He allegedly paid for this surgery of $75,000. If he paid for a surgery he couldn't afford in the first place, that again says more about him. Yeah. Like where are you in your security

Starting point is 01:19:58 that you feel like you have to pay for the surgery that you can't afford? Like what are you expecting in return? If this is an IOU situation, like why are you spending so much money? It should be truly a gift. You should truly not be expecting anything in return. Because that says something about like how you think you

Starting point is 01:20:16 get in return favors or love or affection and things like that. Like this is a very bitter, bitter man. Right. And a very spiteful man who has clearly has only gotten love, affection and attention through like unhealthy and toxic ways like paying for something.

Starting point is 01:20:34 But again, nothing is free. And he is proving through these, him suing her that this was never meant to be a gift, whether he disclosed that or not. He did this on their false pretenses. And it's just, again, a disgusting, terrible thing. I don't know how anyone could side with. The traitor's thing was cute. I mean, definitely felt a little DIY low budget for the talk.

Starting point is 01:20:52 I thought it was random. I was like, we could have skipped this. Why did this thing get cut out? It was nice to have Teddy Mellencamp back on my screen. I miss her and I love her. And I think Vicky is so funny. I love Vicky. And her being like, welcome, Housewives, and Vicky. And her being like, welcome housewives and Vicky.

Starting point is 01:21:06 Heather, that's rude. She's a fucking bitch. Tamara's minion. And then when Vicky gets out of the car and they're like, and Vicky's dressed like she's going to a business meeting. She's just like a blazer and a button up. You're so mean to Vicky.

Starting point is 01:21:18 I love Vicky. Vicky can handle herself though, and that's what I love about her. I do think it was random that Teddy was the Alan Cumming. I was like, this is the only person we were able to like, throw this into the mix. Well, you know, it was Tamara's event and their homies and she's just looking for work.

Starting point is 01:21:33 She just wasn't giving Alan Cummings or Traders. She was trying very hard. I wish she would have given us an accent or something. How do you replicate Alan? But yeah, that is hard. Does Tamara not know Alan? I'm like, can we not call up another Scottish person? I think, in defense to Teddy,

Starting point is 01:21:45 Teddy's better walking down just being Teddy than trying to channel Alan. That is true. And also, this felt very last minute, this party. Yes, and then Teddy messed up the whole thing. Like, she killed the wrong person when Heather pointed to a different person. Yeah, I think that's a sign that maybe Teddy

Starting point is 01:22:00 was more focused on Teddy. That's, yeah. So right. Did you think it was Heather? Heather made a lot of sense. I called it from the beginning. Heather made a lot of sense. As soon as Heather opened her mouth

Starting point is 01:22:08 trying to like misdirect. Yeah, I was about to say, as soon as Heather was like, did you hear the three things over there? No, we were wearing earplugs. Literally they're wearing earplugs. She's like, no, you didn't hear that? What the fuck? I mean, you're rich, but you don't have super power hearing.

Starting point is 01:22:19 And then the weird Trace Amiga's conversation that ended up with like a reconciliation, but like this has been going on for a long time and all it took was this weird conversation and now you guys are back together? How does Housewives draw the line between just like doing their job, being good at TV and being a bully?

Starting point is 01:22:40 If you're talking to Tamara specifically, I don't know. I am talking to Tamara. I don't think there is, it's just whatever she feels like that day. It's her opinion. I think if you talk to producers, I think if you talk to people involved in the creation of these shows, they love themselves a Tamara judge

Starting point is 01:22:54 because she is always willing to say the thing or have the conversation or call people out. She doesn't care about her hypocrisy. She's just a willing TV participant. At times, especially again with the Shannon stuff, it just feels fucking mean. And I just like, is, again, I know this is TV, and like I'm not trying, like it's just a question.

Starting point is 01:23:16 You should watch even the last season of her bringing Jen on, because that one, she hadn't been on the show for a couple of years, and that one was really hard to watch because I felt really bad for Jen. She comes on the show for a couple years. And that one was really hard to watch, because I felt really bad for Jen. She comes on the show as Tamara's friend, and then Tamara just instantly flips on her and is like, you're wearing fake designer,

Starting point is 01:23:32 you can't afford anything, your boyfriend's a piece of shit. And it was just like the entire storyline for Tamara was ripping down this girl that she brought on the show as a friend. And to answer your question, I feel like every franchise has that one person that's lost in the sauce and like friend. And to answer your question, I feel like every franchise has that one person that's lost in the sauce and takes the storyline too far. Jen Shaw.

Starting point is 01:23:48 So Jen Shaw, Beverly Hills was Lisa Rinna where it's like you bring on all these friends but you're always the one that's ruining these people's lives. Right, for an extra paycheck. So that's also the thing too. What's the incentive here? Because we've learned from, I think, Lala on VPR

Starting point is 01:24:01 that bad behavior gets rewarded and bonuses are issued. So I'm like the more that you're making this a season to watch, the more you're getting rewarded by the network. I was alarmed to find out about the bonus structure. Right? Bravo. It's a little dark, you know what I mean? Cause it's like, by all means,

Starting point is 01:24:17 if you get a little nugget of something, you expose it on camera, you might get a little bump on your paycheck. Who wouldn't? It's your fucking job. That's so scary, yeah. Yeah. So that's where the line between bully and I don't know you might get a little bump on your paycheck. Who wouldn't? It's your fucking job. That's so scary, yeah. Yeah. So that's where the line between bully and I don't know.

Starting point is 01:24:28 It's a little you. Yeah. There was a scene specifically, this is Beverly Hills where Lisa Renna, this is after Lisa Renna destroyed Denise and didn't support her through the rumors of cheating and Denise subpoenaed Bravo and Bravo had Lisa Renna bring it up on camera

Starting point is 01:24:43 but they brought Denise back to basically set her up. Like it was supposed to be it was supposed to be Lisa and Denise kind of like coming back together. Oh, I remember. And at least and then I've no release when it goes. So did you subpoena Bravo? I remember that Denise was like, who told you that? Yeah, I told you that.

Starting point is 01:24:58 But they used Lisa to like remember that. That's so sad. And then they were like, Lisa, you can't come back because everybody hates you. I hate you, yeah. That is a little icky. I will say, this episode was nice to hear Katie's background because I feel like Katie's whole storyline

Starting point is 01:25:13 was attacking Heather, but now we actually know she was in a marriage she never wanted to be in. Her daughter now wants the name of her now husband. Yeah, that was a sweet moment. And I will say, I did not appreciate her coming out, Heather. I understand, listen, new person trying to make their mark and get it, whatever. Maybe not the smartest move.

Starting point is 01:25:32 Maybe she was set up by Tamara, I don't know. Who knows, or Gina. I just love to, my favorite part of the episode was when Gina goes, they're talking to rules of traitor and Gina goes, instead of saying the word interesting, she was like intrinsic. As someone who's been accused of misusing big words, I still thought it was funny.

Starting point is 01:25:53 I've done it before, Gina, though. Anyways, I think it says a lot about how your teenage kids behave to other people, and Katie's child seems to be incredibly well-rounded. Very good. And I look at that and to me that says something about Katie. For sure.

Starting point is 01:26:13 What about Heather's response to Katie's attempt at apologizing? I don't expect Heather to make it easy for her. I think what Katie did to Heather was bullshit. And I think if you're Heather, you're like, fuck you. And if I'm Heather, I don't make it easier for her. I think what Katie did to Heather was bullshit. And I think if you're Heather, you're like, fuck you. And I, if I'm Heather, I don't make it easier for her to come in her good graces. It's like, listen, I respect the hustle. You're new here. You shot your shot. You try to make your mark, but like, you know, you try to make it against me and I'm not going to give you an attaboy. Like, hey, you want to play with the big dogs? You're

Starting point is 01:26:43 here to play. So I don't, I don't fault Heather at all for like, hey, you wanna play with the big dogs, you're here to play. So I don't fault Heather at all for not patting her on the back. But what about her saying, let's just move on, but it's like, can you even move on if one of the people, like if one person can't even speak? Listen, eventually she'll get over it, but like, I- But like, Katie wanted to say sorry. So I feel like Katie should have been able to say that

Starting point is 01:27:01 so that she could also move on. You're not entitled to someone accepting your apology just because you're ready to give it. Okay, maybe. Yeah, I get that. And at some point of Heather, if Heather pretends to be willing to give her a shot, but then Heather just continues to be mean,

Starting point is 01:27:17 eventually there's a moment where I think you go, Heather, like, you know. It's time to give it up. Give it up or just set a boundary, but stop, now you're kinda, you know. Like again, it up. Give it up or just like set a boundary, but like stop, you know, now you're kind of, you know, like again, I don't know where that line is, but I don't think Katie's entitled to Heather's accepting her apology.

Starting point is 01:27:32 At the Traders event. Yeah, on camera, you know. I think she, it's fair to give a little pushback. Another like insightful moment for me was Emily talking about her background. Because I've had an issue with Emily with, like, how she talks about people in her interviews and whatnot, where I'm like,

Starting point is 01:27:48 I feel like that's just, like, taking it a little too far. But now I'm like, okay, I understand why you came at Jen or why Jen triggered you, because I'm like, knowing that you came from nothing and, like, had to fend for yourself as a child, like, that's really tough, and you do grow tough, like, thick skin, and don't let things affect you, or can be very blunt, even to a point where, especially's really tough and you do grow tough, like thick skin and don't let things affect you

Starting point is 01:28:06 or can be very blunt even to a point where, especially if nobody's showing you tenderness or kindness, to not really know how to accept it, let alone how to give it. So I'm like, I felt like that was actually really nice for Emily to share that finally, because it gave a little bit more of like sympathy, empathy for her.

Starting point is 01:28:21 It made sense why she was mad at Jen for not paying her bills or doing whatever, because Emily had to do that herself. For her mom, yeah. If I'm Emily, I would be very frustrated. It's one thing to be an adult and identify why you have some shortcomings in adulthood because of limitations of your childhood or your parents or whatever. But once you can point it out as an adult, it's on you to like pick up whatever slack

Starting point is 01:28:46 that you, you know, like, you know, teach yourself, do it, you know, it's not making an excuse. There's a lot of people who like, when they latch onto a reason why they don't get things right or why they have some shortcomings, like don't do anything more than just be like,

Starting point is 01:29:00 well, this is why I know why I do it, you know, and then just constantly bring it up every time as to why they can't hold themselves accountable. And I think that's where Emily's frustration comes in because she sees her adult friend constantly bring up that she doesn't know how to do anything. And it's like at some point, it's like you're a smart, capable woman.

Starting point is 01:29:18 Figured the fuck out, I did. I totally fucking get it. Absolutely, and I got the, because that would be triggering for me too, where it's like you can't complain about not having money with a Rolex on your wrist, but then say I wanna keep it because it's nice, and it's like, okay, then figure out how to pay your bills.

Starting point is 01:29:32 Yeah, if I was that, I mean, I would sell everything but the shirt on my back to like provide and take care of and survive. If you're wearing a Rolex, you have to shut the fuck up. And you're not paying your bills. Driving a Range Rover or whatnot, then it's like, come on. You have to shut the fuck up. Respectfully shut the fuck up.

Starting point is 01:29:51 You shut the fuck up. Yes. The preview for next week looks so crazy. It's the mid-season tease. It's the right, sorry, the mid-season teaser. The Ryan stuff coming to light, because it was a huge. They're bringing him on the show. It's someone going, ask her about the FBI.season teaser, the Ryan stuff coming to light because it was a huge. They're bringing him on the show.

Starting point is 01:30:06 It's someone going, ask her about the FBI. Ask her about the FBI, you're calling him a bookie and that's technically what he's being called. Ryan, remember how we don't know what Ryan does for a living, we're about to find out. Because there is a scandal that goes along with it. I think since getting in the Bravo, it's the realization how many actual potential criminals

Starting point is 01:30:29 are in the employee of Bravo is eye-opening. It's also the, again, wealth whispers, like the riches loud wealth whispers where I'm like, you needing to be on a show, talking about your opulence and how much money that you have when not really, thinking that you're gonna have to expose how you you made said money but you want everybody to know that I'm like you can't be surprised when the Bravo CIA goes digging and finds everything. Yeah. Everything. So.

Starting point is 01:30:56 Orange County seems just like a bunch of like shady entrepreneurs. Yeah. Yeah. Of what? We don't know. We don't know. I'm sure there's a lot of wonderful, good people of the community of Orange County, but there seems to be some. If your job is laying in the sunshine, like I need to know how you made your money. I need to know what you do.

Starting point is 01:31:17 Yes. So I can do it too. If your job is laying in the sun, so it's fine. Like, oh, that's good. That's what Jen said. Yeah, that's what your partner's describing as your job. I need to know how you got there. You didn't watch any Love is Blind UK, did you?

Starting point is 01:31:31 I watched the first two episodes. So, do engagements don't really happen that quickly on the US though, right? Yeah, they do. It was the end of first episode? I think there's often engagements at the end of the first episode. They usually happen's often engagements at the end of the first episode. They usually happen within the first two.

Starting point is 01:31:47 They get to the engagements pretty quickly. Oh, I thought that this one I was like, this is moving fast. No, I think that's pretty typical. Typical? Okay. I'm new here. Last season was my first season. My favorite least character is Benaiah. I like the funeral home guy. Oh, Freddie's.

Starting point is 01:32:02 And the Irish girl. I like her. Oh, Sabrina. I know it's done and wrapped, so a lot of people have finished it. Nellie and I haven't finished it yet. We are getting close to the end. I love Freddie. Freddie is this gorgeous,

Starting point is 01:32:16 he's in his early 30s, a funeral director. He's gorgeous. He looks like Aaron Taylor. If you don't know who Aaron Taylor is, he's our next James. He just seems so sweet. He seems so sweet. He seems so sweet. And then you watch and you're thinking like,

Starting point is 01:32:27 okay, is this like serial killer? Where are we, what's missing? And he seems wonderful. He's beautiful and he's sweet and he's gentle. And he's like, you know, they ask, why are you a funeral director? And it's like, you know, because there's a weird vibe.

Starting point is 01:32:41 I think his answer in episode one is something like, because these are these people's loved ones. And I wanna like, this is their last. And it was like, you know, because there's a weird vibe. I think his answer in episode one, something like, because these are these people's loved ones, and I wanna like, this is their last, and it was like, oh my God, oh my God. You wonder, like, how can this gorgeous, beautiful, giant, bicep, sweet brother, his brother has Down syndrome, he's very involved, very loving this, who is, this is not a real person.

Starting point is 01:33:00 I'm usually skeptical of people like this. But then as the season goes along, you realize that he's a little awkward and I think he's often misread. And I think you can tell he's the type of guy who women think he's beautiful, they go on a date. And I think he has his own insecurities. And I think his insecurities cause him to date women

Starting point is 01:33:21 who get really excited that they get to hang around a guy as beautiful as him. And they have their own insecurities. So then they project their insecurities onto someone like Freddie, who for whatever reason has his insecurities, he gets a little more awkward and a little quiet. And I think you have a guy like Freddie

Starting point is 01:33:37 who has really struggled most of his life meeting women and settling down. He's like the opposite of a fuck boy, it seems like. There was a moment when, early in the episode, who did you get engaged to? Catherine. Catherine. And Catherine rejected Oli. And there was a lot of like, Oli was like,

Starting point is 01:33:54 he rejected her, there's a lot of back and forth. Freddie and Catherine engage and she wants to like, her ego was a little bruised because she found out that he was telling people that he broke up with her and that wasn't true. And Freddie very calmly was like, you know, honestly, it just like, it doesn't matter. And like, that was the really mature thing to do. And like, you could tell he was just like, he's a sweet, sweet soul. And I love him.

Starting point is 01:34:16 And I don't know what happens at the end, but we'll, we'll maybe get into it next week. Oh, Thursday. Anyways, what a fun episode. Hope you enjoyed it. We will be back tomorrow. Get ready for an explosive episode of Going Deeper with Taylor Paul and on Thursday's Rally to Recap we'll get into the Bachelorette finale. I know that is tonight along with our good friend Peter Schaeger previewing the NFL

Starting point is 01:34:38 season upon us plus a little of his blind UK and some a lot more. We'll see you then. Bye'll see you then bye love you.

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