The Viall Files - E864 - Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit w/ Emily D Baker, Heather McMahan, Golden Globes, RHOSLC & Walmart Birkins

Episode Date: January 7, 2025

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap! Emily D Baker joins us again to discuss Justin Baldoni’s lawsuit against The New York Times. Meanwhile, Heather McMahan joins to talk about her Hulu special, the Golden Globes, Zendaya and Tom Holland’s engagement, the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, and being from the South. And don't forget… Jennifer Aydin is beefing with an airport Jersey Mike’s.  Link to Justin Baldoni’s Lawsuit: https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/25473284/bi-https-media.pdf  Link to Blake Lively’s Complaint: https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/1629cc34e562e325/4410b1d9-full.pdf Link to Stephanie Jones (Justin Baldoni’s Ex-Publicist)’s Complaint: https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/ViewDocument?docIndex=Xc9lTZnkJAsclCjfCv0G4g== “I think somebody should just release all of the text messages, I’ll go through them.” OUT NOW! Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff. Available wherever you get your podcasts and YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774286896 Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Wayfair - Give your home the refresh it needs with Wayfair. Head to https://wayfair.com right now. Quince - Luxuriate in coziness, without the luxury price tag. Go to https://quince.com/VIALL for 365-day returns, plus free shipping on your order! Bilt - Start earning points on rent you’re already paying by going to https://joinbilt.com/VIALL  Robinhood - The new gold standard is here with Robinhood Gold. To receive your 3% boost on annual IRA contributions, sign up at https://robinhood.com/gold  Jolie - Jolie will give you your best skin & hair guaranteed. Head to https://jolieskinco.com/VIALL to try it out for yourself with FREE shipping. Timestamps: (00:00) - Intro(02:46) - Golden Globes (11:00) - Household Headlines (17:19) - Emily D Baker Joins (01:05:30) - Bravo Updates (01:30:33) - Heather McMahan Joins (02:30:44) - Outro Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @theemilydbaker @heatherkmcmahan @justinkaphillips @the_mare_bare @leahgsilberstein @dereklanerussell 

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Ontario What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. Happy New Year to you all. I know I think we probably wish you a Happy New Year yesterday for us, Nick, but in case we didn't, Happy New Year. I hope you're all having a great 2025 so far. I know we are, it's been great for us. I don't know, I mean, Sierra, we haven't seen you since 2024. Has it been good for you?

2025 has been great so far. Yay. Say more. Okay. I guess. The silence. I went to Whistler, Canada, had a beautiful beginning of 2025.

I had a nice little snow moment in a cabin and coming back home. Couldn't be more excited to see all your faces. Okay. Did you stay up for the ball drop? Yes. Yes, I did. Far past. We stayed up for the New York ball drop.

But on Western time. On Western time. Yeah. So we kissed at nine. Yeah. Which was romantic. It was romantic. I posted a TikTok of it. Yeah, so we kissed at nine. Yeah. Which? It was romantic. It was romantic.

I posted a TikTok of it. I saw the black and white filter. A little black and white moment. I think that was mostly because we didn't shower all day and like in sweatpants. Speak for yourself. I was like, no. Well, maybe you were helping me out.

I felt like in that video, you're like, Nick looks a little rough, so we're gonna put like a black and white. You were in New Year's rot mode. No, I was trying to do- I was in rot mode, oh my God, yeah. No, I was just trying to be like, aesthetically pleasing, like black and white.

I thought it was because I was- I think we had like gone to lunch that day, we had like gone out, we left the house. Yesterday was like rough for both of us. She was romanticizing your rot. Wow, that's how you know it's love, when you romanticize the rot. Well, we have a wild episode lined up for y'all.

The very hilarious, very talented, very wonderful Heather McMahon is with us shortly. Also, Emily Baker is returning shortly. She's coming up next because as we now know, update Justin Boudoni did file a suit. It's in New York Times. It did seem like a lot of the Justin stans who like last week felt, I don't know what they felt.

Maybe they felt like, oh, we got it wrong or the tail between their legs. And it did feel like there was a lot of Justin stans loud and proud doing victory laps over the weekend. Oh yeah. We wanna break it down with Emily. Obviously we have our opinions of the case, but I wanna bring on Emily first

and just kinda ask her some questions, get her thoughts. We wanna be as objective as possible. Obviously we have our opinions, but I wanna hear from Emily. I'm not even sure what she has to say about it, what her opinions on the case are. So we'll break it all down, give our thoughts, give our feelings.

That will be up in just a few moments. Also the Golden Globes happened last night. Our friend of show, Nikki Glaser crushed it. I'm really proud of Nikki, now that it really, she needs our pride. She killed last night. Hysterical. It was like a mix of just the perfect amount of roast

with classy jokes and... She kept it punchy and fun and good energy. It wasn't like too below the belt or like awkward or not funny or like, it was just all like, huh. She won the room, which is the most important part. And Nikki was able to just like be vaguely recognizable enough to everyone that they're like, I kind of know that girl.

And then she was like, I'm gonna get down to your level. I'm not gonna be too mean. I have actually watched these movies. Yeah. And I respect what you do, but I am going to make fun of you and make an incredible Stanley Tucci joke. I watched her on. I watched her do some interview and it was like, you know,

how do you like find the balance? And she basically was like, I like study these people and I become fans of them so that the quote unquote roast comes from a place of love and not from a place of like I can't stand this person but of like at the end of the day I still respect you and love you and appreciate what you create and we're excited of her she crushed it I texted her yesterday before she went on and she wrote me back right away I was like yeah man I'm texting her like three hours before she uh the stage. And I told her she was gonna kill it

and tell her we want her back on the show. And she was like, I would love to. Spring, probably, she says. Oh, booked and busy. Booked and busy, Nikki Glaser, I don't know. Spring, no, no, no. Eventually we'll get her out. First time Golden Globe loser,

Nikki Glaser is booked and busy. Probably. She said probably spring. So we went. Probably not. But last time, last time we text, she said, yes, this summer. And that was last winter. Oh.

We're getting there. So we're getting there. Closer at some point. The season windows are getting smaller and smaller. I think she's still one of our most returning guests on the show. She's been on the crew four times. It's been a while since she's gotten really,

she's really blown up. I mean, so you're welcome, Nikki Glaser. For the stepping stone. I'm just kidding. I don't know if we did, but like. Kidding. It's good to see her shine. Well, yeah, who else? Who had their moment last night?

Demi Moore. And I couldn't be happier for her. Her speech. Yes, gosh, she and me. I could have cried for her. She was like, I've been in this industry for 40 years to finally get recognition. And for the substance,

you guys need to watch the substance. Everybody should watch the substance. I don't know if I can handle it. I did watch, finally, Wicked. It's a powerful movie, it's good. Isn't it so good? For someone who could give a fuck about singing, it was very good.

That makes me so happy. And the ending was very powerful. It was hard not to get choked up. The war cry? Oh, it was good. Wait, so you watched it at home? Yeah. Oh yeah.

Did you buy it or rent it? We bought it. I mean, it's like a $2 difference. I was gonna say it's like a $5 difference. My mom bought it. I was very happy. I anticipate River watching it over. We tried to get her to watch and she was like, hmm.

I'm not there yet. She wasn't holding space? She was not holding space, but I was. It was good. You get it now? It's very, it's well done. You can't deny its talent. What did you take from it?

Like, what is the message of Wicked? I don't give a fuck about the message. Listen. I'm so tired of movies and their message. I just want to watch a movie, turn my brain off and just are they good at singing? Are they not good at singing? We did both as soon as the movie ended,

we looked to each other and we were like, where is the Glinda? Elphaba? Glinda? Elphaba? Come to find out, that's just a fucking TikTok they did. Oh, it's not even real? Now I'm seeing it the whole time.

I was like, when does it come on? Where is the part? Now I was like, I'm thinking that's a catchy tune. I can't wait for that to come on. That was not the Steven Schwartz originally coming. Did we miss it? Nick was like, I think it's in part two. And I was like, there's a part two?

He's like, they filmed it all at once. I've never heard of this alleged TikTok song at all, ever. I just it's in part two. And I was like, there's a part two? He's like, they filmed it all at once. I'm saying like, I know, I've never heard of this alleged TikTok song at all, ever. I just heard it from my wife. And I'm like, sounds catchy. It's promotional. You guys are singing, I'm a witch, and I'm a witch. Literally, I'm like, it sounds like that's-

She was. Because she was giving the backstory to the rest of Whoville, right? No, where is it? No, Munchkinland. Munchkinland. No, it's all- Munchkinland is a region in Oz.

Yes. So, okay, well she's giving the backstory and I was like, this is a perfect time for them to go into, we were roommates back in school, Glenda's awkward, or Glenda's, whatever. You got it, you're on it. She's like wrapping the narration. You just watched the long form version.

It could be Lin-Manuel. I watched the extended. Maybe it was a deleted scene. And Ariana Grande was very good. He held it. She was very talented. Absolutely. We kind of missed her new boyfriend's ex-wife

over the holidays wrote a very expressive piece. Oh yeah. Kind of flew under the radar. Well, I think it got maybe a little. Ariana's talent kind of out under the radar. Well, I think it got maybe a little. Ariana's talent kind of outshined it. Well, I think it got maybe a little buried by. To get buried by other. Other headlines.

Other sleazy headlines. That situation to me just seems like a very particular relationship that like nobody actually knows about and everyone's just assuming a lot of things and people love to assume a lot of things about Ariana Grande and have for a very, very long time. I think you just love that she's so good at singing. No, but also I think in these type of scenarios, it's like the story, the made up story that people come up with is always way more fun than the truth.

Yeah, which is like basing it off of, who knows? What's his ex's name? Like her story was. It's Ethan Slater and Dr. Lily J. Lily J's story was. It was. It was tough. It was a tough read. You read it?

I read some of it. What were some of the key takeaways? It's a sad story. She never thought she would get divorced after giving birth to her first child and the shadow of her husband's new relationship with a celebrity, but that they're both still dedicated to co-parenting their son. But her essay was about like, how does divorce make you feel?

Sad. Yeah. Yeah, it was just it's it's sad. The joke of it, unfortunately, is about musical theater kids in the sense of like they went off for two years to go film this movie. Yes, and then of course they fell in love. Of course you fall in love with the first co-star that comes your way. Like, I don't know, but I don't know how true it is, but it's just very true to like high school and like musical theater communities.

And they kind of they kind of followed the recipe with that with Ariana and Ethan. But if everyone it is what it is, it's not my business. You guys are so nervous No, my take on it is like What are you gonna do? Like, I don't know. Oh my God, people get divorced. I don't know, it's none of our fucking business. No, I just think that people are mean to Ariana Grande

for no reason and assume a lot of things about her. And I think if you can critique her for anything, it might just be for having kind of bad tasting guys. But I don't think she's this like evil home wrecker that people make her out to be. And I think it's been going on her entire career. But there is a bit of a... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, but then it's also a narrative that's been put on her and she obviously doesn't really want to talk about it. It's a great movie. It's a great movie. It's a great movie. And I think she slays. And they won best blockbuster, new category at the Globes. So congrats. Congrats to Wicked, the substance, and Conclave. And Gypsy Rose Blanchard, who gave birth to our baby. Gypsy Rose. Yay. Congratulations, Gypsy.

Congratulations. And Ken sent us a message shortly after Gypsy gave birth and gave Nya Nya a little inside tea. We knew about it before y'all did. So we shared that moment with them and we feel very lucky to do so. But very happy congratulations to Gypsy and Ken. On her one year anniversary of being released. We knew about it before y'all did. So we shared that moment with them and we feel very lucky to do so. But very happy congratulations to Gypsy and Ken.

On her one year anniversary of being released. That's wild. That is crazy. That she gave birth on the day she got out of prison last year. Like that's crazy. Is that the universe or is that induced me right now? Universe. You think she was like-

Well, what are the odds that it's on your one year? You know what I mean? Exactly. That's crazy. Listen, it's hard to be induced for your first pregnancy. It's hard. Usually they want you to like go until you go into labor. Either way, congratulations to Gypsy and Ken and to their beautiful family.

Nicole Kidman says, the secretory of successful marriage to Keith Urban comes down to two bathroom appliances. We have a double shower, the double headed shower key to a successful marriage to Keith Urban comes down to two bathroom appliances. We have a double shower, the double headed shower key to a successful marriage, and separate commodes in their bathroom. And I couldn't agree more. I think it's important to at least have a door

in front of your toilet. 1000% but also like- I mean if you're lucky enough to have two toilets, great. I don't know, I mean I don't know for all the movies that we watch where they just normalize shitting in front of your partner, I don't understand why people do that shit. What movies are you watching?

I don't know, there's always like a... You're not wrong. There's a lot of, I don't know, there's a lot of TV shows or movies or whatever that there's a scene between a husband and wife. There's always like someone's like sitting on the shitter. So he walks in. Ew, why are you hoeing in that?

The toilet? The commode. The toilet, yeah. Well, when a man's sitting on the toilet, I'm assuming he's not peeing. I don't know, it's always like a guy sitting on the toilet, you know? I don't think he's just tucking it just to take a pee.

I don't know. Is this too much for you? Some men say they pee. I mean, you just don't speak like this, and now all of a sudden you like woke up and decided to start calling it the shitter and saying shitting. I think you're finding it as ironic

that you're coloring at me right now for this. You say bathroom. I do, I do. I say I'm going. He's trying I do. I say I'm going. He's trying something new. I say I'm going to the bathroom. 2025 neck. I'm gonna talk about me. Okay.

I'm just calling a spade a spade when you're watching these shows and. Jax Taylor, for example, loves to go to the bathroom with the toilet or the door open. Well, he's a menace to society. What am I saying wrong? I just don't love like calling a toilet a shitter. Like that just feels like very calling a toilet a shitter. That just feels very aggressive.

Unfair to toilets. Well, it's like other things happen in there. You throw up in there, you pee in there. The throw-upper. You flush tampons in there. Some do, some don't. We can start that up again if we feel like it. Well, men sitting, fine, I'll be specific.

I don't wanna normalize men sitting on toilets in front of their partners. Yeah, I agree. I think you're talking back about the based on a true story show that we started watching where Kayleigh Quilford walked into the bathroom and he was sitting. That is one example of a scene in a show where they are just like,

they want you to think this is normal behavior. And we need people like Nicole Kidman to give relationship advice, which is is like just shit by yourself. Keep some element of mystery. It works wonders in relationships. I love how when people try to be like, no, well, we're just like that close. That's how close we are. And it's like, good for you. Talk to me in two years. Keith Urban did not write the song Somebody Like You just for Nicole Kidman

to watch him shit. Also, someone like you, it's like when you have a tummy ache, I'm just like you. I did not write the song Somebody Like You just for Nicole Kidman to watch them shit. Also- Someone like you, it's like when you have a tummy ache, I'm just like you, so I'm like you. Also, the double shower head, I mean, we are taking a page out of that book for the Lake House. It was like, we need 14 shower heads. 14?

Well, when we were, I will say, I mean, we're gonna have some fun because we are remodeling, so it's a lot of like, it's like choose your own adventure. We're very, you know, so it's a lot of, I've never done this before. So they call it selects. You get to pick whatever you want.

So we're picking our master bathroom. And then I'm like, yeah, I mean, sure, like tile. And then they were just like, well, which shower head do you want? I'm like, well, I guess I want this shower head. And they're like, but then you can have like these, wait, I'm like, wait, we get, this is the moment of my life.

Nick's like, body jets. Wait, the moment of my life where I kind of always imagined like how many shower heads I would have if I got to build my own shower. Like this is that moment we're in right now. And they're like, yes, yes, I want walls and jets. And I want it coming up from every angle. I want to walk into the shower and just be blasted

with water from every angle. Absolutely pummeled. Absolutely demolished by the water. I want the only reason I'm standing up is because the water pressure from the other side is keeping me up. Wow. From the side of the water that's trying to blow me over. You should put a slip and slide in there.

I might, I might. Anyways, we're very excited. That's a car wash. Yeah. So, super fun. Yeah, we'll have lots of showers. Yeah, shout out, shout out. Nicole Kenman, thanks for the very good relationship advice.

She is baby girl, she's the baby girl. I need to see that movie, but I will not go to the movie theater to watch that movie. That feels wrong, and that feels like not a movie where people need to be sitting beside strangers. And I've never seen it, so I don't know what goes on. But I did hear our good friends, Erica and Scott, say that they went to the movie theater to watch it. And there were people around them, like, making noises and like, like groaning, like moaning.

And they were like, I feel like that's like, you do that in the comfort of your own home, not at the AMC. They were just like, I don't, you don't need to reenact. But yeah, they were. I will say newsflash for people doing things in movie theaters is they are cameras inside of the actual theaters. Yes. So they can see everything you're doing. I wish you would have told that to teenage me.

Well, yeah, they probably had cameras back then. I don't know if they did. Yeah, middle school where like the last three minutes of the movie you'd roll over and start making out with your. Middle school. Last three minutes. Lots of questions. I'm sorry you call you horny kids, they were making out with your. Middle school. Last three minutes. Roll over, wow. Lots of questions. Sorry, you call you horny kids

who are making out the whole movie. I wanted to get my money's worth first. I've never made out in a movie theater. I was like, I paid $5 for this movie, I gotta watch the mask. I sit my ass down and listen, exactly. No, mine was that we should go and get like snacks and then it was like, let's make out by the door.

Oh. By the door. I, by the door. I felt like the people watching the movie didn't need to see a couple of teenagers like making out. So we took it to the hallway. So like you would see baby girl if you saw people like making out the hallway after. Okay.

I don't need to see anyone doing anything in a movie theater. That is why. Is this like NC-17 rated? What is this baby girl rated? It's an erotic thriller. I don't know, I feel like it's like, people used to see horny movies all the time

and now horny movies are such a big deal. I don't know. Yeah, it's rated R. The headlines make it seem like it's very erotic. I've seen people talking about reviews and they're like, it is very, very spicy. I don't know, there's a new Sky Ferreira song in it. So that's exciting. Who? Oh, she returned she returned. She did return Sky Ferreira. Is that how you say her last name?

Ferreira? Something. Yeah. All right well as we mentioned at the top of the show Justin Baldoni is now suing the New York Times and he filed a complaint with a lot of receipts. There were definitely a lot of text messaging threads and things like that. So, like last week, we have Emily Baker with us to break it all down and just kinda tell us what's up. So, let's bring on Emily. Hello, hello. Oh, hello.

Hello. Long time no chat, Emily, how are you? It's been too long, the law doesn't stop. I know, well, I wish it would, because honestly we recorded last week, it was New Year's week, we took some time off, as many people did, over the New Year's break, and then Justin filed his suit.

So anyways, here we are, we wanted to bring you back, Emily. I've read all three complaints. So I am curious, just first question, what is your first like overall takeaway of Justin's lawsuit against the New York Times? Now, how do you see the story as a whole having read all of the complaints? I mean first lawyer thoughts were interesting that they're filing this in California. That was my initial thought with this because now we have the California lawsuit against the New York Times by Baldoni et al. We have the employment law complaint from Blake Lively. Then we have Lively's lawsuit in New York, and then we have the PR company's lawsuit in New York.

So we've got two filed lawsuits in New York, one filed lawsuit in California and one pending litigation regarding employment in California. So that was the first like interesting choice to sue the New York Times in California. Then it was a, hey, these are screenshots of text messages, not a celebrite extraction of text messages, which is interesting because they're saying things were, you know, left out, things were cherry picked. And of course, in a complaint, things are gonna be cherry picked

as I'm sure they've done with theirs. But the heart of that is that they are suing the New York Times, saying the New York Times defamed them. And when you're dealing with public figure defamation, they've got to prove that the New York Times was reckless in misrepresenting the truth. And that's why they've got the false light and the defamation in there. But that's why they're leaning so heavily into the text messages saying, look, there was more context here. They used a lot of this defamation suit to fire back at Lively's allegations. I think when you read it, sometimes you can

forget that the New York Times is really the target of the lawsuit because it uses a lot of the lawsuit to talk about both Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds, which is not surprising given the statements that the lawyer made saying they're gonna counter sue and they just filed their own suit in California that's gonna face some jurisdictional hurdles before we even get off the ground.

I've read some things out there, both people who are pro Justin or pro Blake, speculating that Justin and his team really wanna fight this in the court of public opinion, and that filing in in LA seems to give them a chance to do that because the implication was they'll never win this case against New York Times, and they seemingly know that, but to your point,

they really wanna get their version of the story out and when they wanna release these screenshots and text messages, et cetera, et cetera. Do you see it that way or how did you interpret that? I mean, all of the lawsuits that we've seen so far serve a public relations purpose as well, right? They are all written with quite a lot of screenshots. You can write a very bare bones complaint

and I've covered cases like that too. These are not bare bones complaints. These are very narrative driven, very can write a very bare bones complaint. And I've covered cases like that too. These are not bare bones complaints. These are very narrative driven, very much telling a side of the story, but both complaints do that. It's not just this complaints coming in doing that. Everything we've seen has done that. What's interesting is that in the Baldoni

against the New York Times lawsuit, they actually filed a notice of errata, which is a very formal legal way of saying, hey, we need to change a few things. And they took out some of the text messages that were in the original filing saying that they were asked to remove them due to reporter privilege. And I was like, somebody was unhappy with how this got filed and exactly what texts were in there, because the legal team immediately followed or filed not a retraction but a remedy for some of those in the Los Angeles court, which was interesting. Make sure I'm understanding you. Justin's original complaint that he filed against the

New York Times in the state of California has since been changed? It's since been amended by his legal team. And the notice was, hey, some of these things are covered by privilege and we were asked to remove them. Do we know what those changes were? I can pull it up. It was page 14, 16, and one of the other ones. What was hard to tell with some of these text messages is who they were talking to because

they did put in like editor one, editor two. And so they already redacted some of the information out, but there were several pages that they removed messages on. Page 14 was one of them, and that is multiple screenshots with somebody named Leslie Sloan, and then there was page 16 and another page as well. Leslie Sloan, I believe, is Blake's publicist, if I'm getting that right. I saw a lot of things online, especially for people who seem to be supporting Justin.

A lot of statements like, his complaint has way more evidence, I saw that a lot. It's like, oh, he's got way more receipts, speaking to the number of alleged, I guess, screenshots. How did you compare the quote unquote evidence in these complaints? Is that even an accurate description of them? Yeah, and so is it a matter of more versus quality?

How did you see the evidence that was laid out in both complaints? Especially when we're at the complaint stage, lawsuits are allegations in shade. You can't be sued over what you say in a lawsuit for defamation because they are privileged documents. So people are going to lay out their side of the story in the light most favorable to them. And I always look at it through that lens as does this paint things in the light most favorable to the person telling the story?

The number of text messages doesn't persuade me one way or the other because there is so much that we don't know. The reason I think they put in so many is because their argument against the New York Times is they had all this information, so they skewed the story and they did so recklessly, which when you're talking about public figure defamation, you've got that extra element versus people who are not in the public eye. So they have to show that the New York Times went above and beyond to recklessly disregard the truth. So they're going to put all of that in there to show that the New York Times is disregarding the truth. It serves the dual purpose of also responding

to what is in Blake Lively's complaint and taking aim at that. And the complaint Blake Lively filed in the, not the New York one, but in the California Civil Rights Board that we talked about more thoroughly was just showing a base level of what the complaint is to the California board. It wasn't, I mean, it also showed the public that because it was given to the New York Times. But we know that there are thousands and thousands of text messages. So there's much that we as the public don't know on either side. But I never total up and be like, well, you put 10 in your complaint,

you put 20. So that's more because it's everything is going to be cherry picked in the light most favorable to the people who are showing it. And I think both complaints are a good reminder that there are going to be multiple sides to any story in a lawsuit. And this is a long way from done. But Baldoni's team has picked a fight with a very difficult plaintiff. I wonder if we will see them filing the counterclaim that they had talked about to Blake Lively's New York lawsuit down the road.

And what would all that mean? Suing the New York Times in California is going to be difficult. They might not even get to discovery on that. New York Times is going to make challenges regarding venue, like, hey, you can't sue us in California. This isn't the right spot. New York Times is going to make arguments of maybe, hey, this is slap protected, which when you get into anti-slap lawsuits, it's strategic litigation against public participation. Those laws are very strong in California. They run hand in hand with defamation because those lawsuits are

to stop someone from speaking and the New York Times can say, we're just giving appropriate comment. You don't even get to go to discovery. So the lawsuit might end before it begins. That can be a year and a half, two years of litigation before the litigation even really starts of determining either jurisdiction or if it will get thrown out early on in the proceedings. So that lawsuit is a difficult road in California. It would be difficult in New York too, because New York has really strong laws protecting the media and reporters.

So the plaintiff being the New York Times is a good vehicle to tell the story about Blake before they file a counterclaim against Blake Lively. But I don't know how far it's gonna go as to the New York Times. And I don't know if they even want to get to discovery about the New York Times. That's gonna be a very expensive and difficult and protracted litigation to fight in California courts. I mean, I guess anyone can sue anyone for anything,

but you predicted last week, you accurately predicted that their initial claim wouldn't be against Blake. It would be an entity like the New York Times or the publicity firm. What made you suspect that? And what do you predict Justin's lawsuit against Blake would be if he eventually files that? I don't know if I have to predict too much about what they're going to do next, because even in this complaint against the New York Times, they said that this is the first of numerous lawsuits.

So when it comes to the lawsuit with the PR team, I think we'll see a counterclaim there for breach of contract, breach of confidentiality, breach of nondisclosure. We've already seen hints of that in this lawsuit where Valdoni Wayfarer at all, all of the plaintiffs are saying, look, our PR person had a nondisclosure and shouldn't have disclosed these text messages. Was it disclosed to a proper subpoena? A lot of NDAs do have a clause that say, with proper legal process, you can be forced to turn over certain documents, but you have a duty to protect those as much as you can and not turn them over. So there will be a fight with the PR team in some way, I suspect, whether it's over

how those text messages were gotten or whether it is a breach of conduct, breach of contract, breach of NDA with them. Will he file a counterclaim against Blake Lively? It's possible, especially with the allegations that these meetings didn't take place the way that Blake Lively said they did and that Justin Baldoni said he felt attacked and harassed by Ryan Reynolds. I don't know if he'll try to bring that in as a intentional infliction of emotional distress type of a claim or whether it will come in as breach of contract claims saying that Lively tried to take over the production and that was a breach of contract.

So him in the production studios will counter sue her in New York, which we could see as well. I don't think we're done with things being filed and we are going to be probably in these lawsuits for a number of years. I'd be surprised if we weren't. The New York Times is going to fight like hell over Discovery because they don't want to turn over all of their conversations. I imagine on the lively side,

they are also going to fight over discovery. And there's gonna be a big fight with PR on how all those text messages got turned over. Wow, fascinating stuff. Have you just, I mean, obviously you've broken this down very well from a lawyer standpoint. What opinions have you formed reading all these complaints in terms of how do you see what's going on?

Again, I think it highlights that you don't know how A, different people perceive different things, but not everything said in Blake's lawsuit is portrayed differently in Baldoni's lawsuit. Some of those text messages are portrayed the same way. So when you're trying to sue the New York Times saying you skewed it, the New York Times is gonna come back and say,

well, there's two interpretations of anything. They're trying to say, oh, there's a emoji missing. It's like, well, normally in celebrate distractions with an emoji, you would see like a square box or a placeholder, but that depends on what version of celebrate you're using and what version of the iOS the cell phone has. Like, is that the gotcha moment of the world? No, it's probably explained by the way that the celebratecha moment of the world? No, it's probably explained by the way that the celebrate extraction happens. And what is it for the people who don't know what that is,

what is that? Because I didn't, you know, when I'm reading this, I was wondering is that a big deal that these emojis are missing? They certainly wanted to make it seem like it was, but then I was asking, you know, why are some of these messaging looking green and why do some of these look like it's iOS? So it's just the tool that they're using to extract these messages.

The messages in Blake Lively's complaint that we have seen come from a data extraction tool from those cell phones. So the cell phone from the PR company was digitally extracted with an extraction forensic extraction tool that we see in all kinds of cases that I cover, criminal cases, civil cases, what have you. Those are thought to be more secure, but sometimes there are quirks in the way things download and those are normally explained

by the person who downloaded them saying, it's a known issue that emojis download as a square box or not at all, depending on the version of, celebrate in the version of the iOS, because iOS is update all the time. And the software takes a little bit more time to update. So that's why the ones in Blake's suit look different. You can always tell what the celebrate because it has additional information. It doesn't look like a screenshot where the Boudini text messages are clearly

screenshots of text messages put into the lawsuit. They are not a forensic digital extraction at this point, though I'm sure they'll get one. But screenshots can also be changed because you can go onto your phone and delete or unsend messages and then take a screenshot of it. So can things be manipulated both ways? Yes. The only way to really answer that is to have the physical phone and the extraction and compare them all together, which will happen in discovery very far down the road.

Well, reading Justin's complaint and then comparing it to Blake's complaint, there were certainly some moments in Justin's complaint that seemed to attempt to address some of the accusations in Blake's complaint. The denial from the PR agency saying, well, this wasn't our story, that wasn't our story, seemed to want to address the accusation

that they had a smear campaign, and then there was the whole pumping and things like that. But there also seemed to be a lot of other instances and accusations from the blank complaint that weren't addressed in Justin's complaint. The text messages that had the entire scope of work from Melissa Nathan and Jennifer Abel that was in Blake's

complaint that like talked about their rates, talked about the strategy they wanted to implement, talked about the importance of not being discovered, talked about the importance of this all flying under the radar. How did you see it? Well, they're serving different purposes. So I really treat the two separately. Yes, in the court of public opinion, they are both trying to serve a narrative. And again, complaints are written to paint the picture that is filing the complaint for the person filing it in the light most favorable. They are also trying to show specific instances of where the New York Times got it wrong. So they're not going to point out the things that are a closer call or the things that don't help them. They're gonna say, hey, you said we did this

and we're planning all these stories and here's a text message saying we weren't and New York Times, you had those and you disregarded the truth in this and painted this false narrative. So it has to serve for Baldoni, it has to serve that purpose of supporting the lawsuit that they're filing, but they also put in a lot of,

see our story in the media is true. Blake did take over production. Blake did cut Justin out of these things. There were tensions that aren't explained by the harassment and the alleged retaliation and the lawsuit. All of those things aren't true. And the New York Times disregarded all the things that proved that they weren't true. And the New York Times is going to come in and say exactly what you're saying, Nick. Well, there's two ways to interpret that. Just because you were invited into a trailer once while somebody's pumping doesn't mean that you also didn't walk in when you weren't invited at another time when someone was breastfeeding. Those are different things. And this is why these things are going to take quite a while to parse

out. But when you look at Lively Suit, the HR stuff is the most interesting really to me on that should be well documented. Lots of people were at these meetings. The Baldoni suit seems to say, no, we felt strong armed. And so we had to agree to these things that we don't really agree with. And that back and forth, I think is going to play out across several lawsuits if they file a counterclaim in the New York suit. So how do I see all of it? We're just at the tip of the iceberg with all these parties pointing the finger at the other one. That's where we're at. I want to talk timeline a little bit because I feel like in Justin's complaint, it was a lot of screenshots and text messages with no date, no when this happened. I guess they just don't include that to what favor his complaint or favor her complaint. It's interesting the way they edited some of the texts in that they try to track who was having the conversation so we don't see the names and it might be that those

were phone numbers and they redacted out phone numbers by covering over them with black boxes and telling you who it is. Those are all things that are going to have to be brought to the court. Screenshots aren't going to do it. There's going to have to be digital extractions and those will have the dates in there. But yeah, some of those texts are very vague as to time when they are. But the purpose of those being in here is see the New York Times said they had it because in the article, the New York Times said, we reviewed thousands of text messages. And this complaint is saying, well, did you review this one? And if you reviewed this one, don't you know that what you're printing isn't true, because this exists. So they're trying to point out those instances of, well, if you reviewed this, how do you come to that conclusion?

And I think the other side of that after reading the other complaints is, well, we don't know when that is. And then there's questions to be asked of all of the lawsuits really is how did all the parties perceive what was going on? And that's why civil lawsuits can get very ugly, very fast, especially in the court of public opinion, because you read Blake's suit first, or the complaint that was released by the New York Times first, and then you read Baldoni's. So it's easier to say, well, what about this? What about this? What about this? Where if those had dropped in different order, then you would be looking at Blake's suit vis-a-vis Baldoni's narrative. So when the first one drops, it's easy to kind of check the first one against

the second one instead of the other way around because of the timing of which they dropped, which the first person to sue definitely has an advantage. And that is a strategic choice. Baldoni's lawsuit's not wrong when they said these weren't public documents and they were given to the New York Times. They absolutely were. It's just by who we know for what purpose. And Blake's team is going to say, well, right, because you've been running amok on social media with a campaign destroying her reputation. So we had to do something. And his team's gonna say we were just acting responsibly. Of course we had to do something. So the truth is gonna be somewhere in the middle.

I think somebody should just release all of the text messages. I'll go through them. I mean, if any of the attorneys want independent review of the text messages, just release them all. I imagine there's a lot more potential evidence than just text messages. I mean, even Justin's lawyer said, hey, we want to release all the messages between him and Blake.

There's also witnesses potentially involved here, especially when it comes to Blake's complaint. I assume it's also just not about the text messages or? There's a lot we don't know. And with HR process on a film set, there's clearly HR process on a film set. But this is why things have to go to court because you have the text messages, for example, in Baldoni's lawsuit saying, oh yeah, you know,

the editors felt this way or that way. Well, they can say one thing to Baldoni in text messages because they still would like to work with him in the future, though that might not be what they say if they're testifying in a deposition or in court. So that's why these things have process to go through court because just because you say it in a text message doesn't mean it's necessarily 100% true or it's what you're thinking. And that's what Baldoni's suit was trying to point out. Hey, saying, you know, this was a great piece with the upside down emoji. That means sarcasm. I don't know. Does it? I don't know. Does it not mean sarcasm? Doesn't mean like, look at us. We've turned the world upside down. Who knows? But that's, that's why this is the jumping off point before people go to court. And that's why our court process works in, in questions, because

then it's asking the editor. So did you say this because you want to still work with Wayfair? Did you say this because you want to work on the next movie? Did you say this because this is how you felt? Did you say it because you would like to work with Ryan Reynolds down the road or Blake Lively? Like, why did you say these things? And also the things people will say in text message

they think are never gonna be seen is very different than what they might say under oath. Or is it possible that someone sent a text message assuming it might be seen? I only said it because Nathan and Abel are text messaging back and forth saying, well, this story wasn't us. I can't believe they thought the story was us.

We learned from, again, some of these other texts messages that we saw, the importance of not being seen or not looking like they were sending messages. There are also messages talking about we can't have people reading messages from just Justin asking us to destroy someone. Is it entirely possible that they sent messages back and forth to each other, denying an activity that they could have been guilty of? So it looked like they were denying it. I mean, that's also possible. Absolutely. And the timing of that, that's where the timing of the text becomes important because what we saw in the Jones work lawsuit is that that relationship was deteriorating.

So were those text messages happening as that work relationship was deteriorating and they thought their boss was disagreeing with how they were doing things? There's layers of that question too, knowing that there was also the Joneswork part of it with a work relationship with the PR agents that was deteriorating and the allegations of some of the publicists planting a negative story about Joneswork and then Joneswork saying they were stealing clients. So if you know that your boss can see your text messages and your boss doesn't agree with what you're doing, are those also maybe not for public cover, but for work cover? And you just don't know without A, the timing of all of it and B, the entire story, which we clearly don't have because there are multiple sides to any story, which is why when you cover the law, you've got to look at the initial allegations and go, what are the questions

here and will they be answered down the road? And that's how I approach all of the lawsuits. What questions am I left with from Blake's complaint and lawsuit now in New York? What questions am I left with from Baldoni's and what's not being answered? And I think you guys ask some great questions. What's the timing of these text messages? Who are these two? What phone was Able using for these? Was it the work one? Was it the new number? When did this all start to go down? And was this after Blake had raised the red flags about being concerned about what was going on with the other PR team, what was going on in the media at that time, and you can't know without the dates

on those things. What did you make of Justin's lawyer going on the Today show and having that little interview where he says, Justin 100% never wanted to hurt Blake, but we do have the screenshot of Justin sending the Hayley Bieber text tweet thread saying, this is what we would need to do to her. I think Brian Friedman is a very media savvy attorney.

So I'm not surprised that he is going to continue to support the things that we have seen. Here's where you see the good and the bad with media savvy attorneys. Brian Friedman's statements have been 100% consistent across the board. His initial statement is mirrored in this lawsuit. His statements in the media are mirrored in this lawsuit. His

statements in the media are mirrored in this lawsuit. He is very good at staying on message and he has done that incredibly well. So am I surprised that he said that? No. Is that going to come back to really impact him? Not really because he's advocating for his client in something that's very public and he's going to continue to say, yeah, but they made it public first by disclosing an administrative complaint that never would have seen the light of day to the New York Times. So I'm not surprised by that at all. They're on the legal slash PR fight with this because of that New York Times article, which I don't doubt was damaging. That's the one thing that I don't think is going to be hard in this lawsuit with the New York Times is to show there's been some reputational damage. The

New York Times will turn around and say, you did it to yourself the same way that Baldoni is turning around looking at Blake Lively saying, well, you did it to yourself. So it's going to be a lot of finger pointing and we will see what shakes out. What juries find persuasive oftentimes is the third parties. So what's going to matter in these lawsuits the most is what the other people on set had to say, what the reps from Sony had to say, what people a little more removed had to say, that's really what's going to turn the tide on this if it ever sees the light of a trial. But even in depositions, those will be the critical voices in this lawsuit.

Kind of like we talked about last week too. It's just like, we'll see who has the most support. And we've seen publicly quite a lot of support for Lively, though Valdoni's team made a point of putting in text messages that were incredibly supportive of him. And I don't think we've seen, again, we've been on break. I don't think we've seen anyone in the media coming out and saying, yeah, those text messages were supportive because this is what's going on on set, unless I missed it, which is entirely possible.

Whatever happened on this set, it wasn't great. And I think that that much is clear, that this movie didn't go down the way anybody thought that it would when they undertook the filming of this movie. So it'll be interesting to see how that moves forward with a sequel. Now that Justin's complaint is out there, the main narrative against Blake is really just all about she was difficult, she was hard to work with, she was doing this, and that really seems to land with

a lot of people online. You know, why do you think that is? It's so interesting because I was recently watching a TED Talk with a study that was done, I think, at Columbia, where business students, masters level business students were given a brief on a company. And it was a female CEO, and they had changed the name. Half the class got the female CEO's name and half the class got a male version of the CEO's name. And then they asked for perception on how the company was run. And then they asked questions of likeability. Would you work for this person? How effective are they in the role? And the exact same case file

when it had a female indicating name was, this isn't somebody I want to work with. This is somebody who's too aggressive. This is somebody that pushes too hard. And when it had a more male name, it was, this is somebody who's a strong leader. This is somebody who I would want to work for. This is somebody who does what needs to get done in business. So there are a lot of really societal undercurrents

when women step out of a more traditional role and aren't maybe as soft public facing and show up a bit stronger. And I don't think Blake Lively is not soft public facing, but when women do, they tend to be chastised for it a lot more than men when they exhibit the same behavior because the expectations of women are different. So saying a woman is difficult, people are like, yeah, she must be real difficult. And it might be that she just asked for her workplace to be an appropriate workplace, which isn't a difficult request. But I don't know how many of y'all in the room have been called difficult because you've set a reasonable boundary

or just asked somebody to not do something that was inappropriate. Yeah, I mean, it really seems to be landing with a lot of people online. If you're believing Justin's side, a lot of the arguments are, she took over the project, she just, her ego is so big.

And I'm thinking, well, if you believe her side, then that explains why she would have taken over. It would have explained why she brought her husband in. It would explain why her husband is upset and defending her. Like if you believe that these allegations are true, that explains why Blake did what she did. If Blake was difficult to work with,

it doesn't explain his alleged behavior. And that seems to be a huge disconnect from my side of things. Also, are there A-list celebrities that aren't a little bit difficult? And is it difficult or is it just, hey, I've got boundaries to do the works that I need to do? I don't know, I don't work on film sets.

I work for myself, but I just have questions. I also think it's like, as women, I think it's very rare for us to feel 100% safe. One thing I said in our vows, I say it to Nick all the time, it's one of the biggest reasons why I love him so much and why I wanted to marry him and have children with him is because he makes me feel safe.

I feel safe, I feel protected. And I think as women, that's something that we look for, we feel comfortable in. And I think a lot of that's something that, you know, we look for, we, you know, feel comfortable in. And I think a lot of times it's not natural to us to be, to feel safe, right? Walking to our car at night, having a jog, going to check the mail. Like there's just a lot of easy places where you don't feel safe. And I think Justin, for me, sold the idea to Blake that he was safe

and that he would create a safe environment. And he sold that idea to her and then switched it and completely made it unsafe. And her uncomfortable went against her trust and just like did all of these things to completely flip the script. And it's like, that's why it's very jarring for a lot of these Justin fans to believe

any of this is because he's like sold this as his brand of like I create safe spaces for women and clearly you know he didn't and I don't know that's that's the hardest part for me. He's saying that he did and so that's where that's where that push-pull is he's saying no this there wasn't harassment there's not retaliation, that this is her scheming really to take over the project. And that's the underlying of their claim. Look at what she's reaching for. She wants the producer guild designation. She's, she's plotting with her and her husband. But how does he explain all the other cast crew who who complained against him? And they're saying in their complaint, and this is again, going off of their complaint,

they're saying that there was only one other complaint. So that's what they said in their suit against the New York Times that there was one, you know, unverified if it went to HR or not, but one complaint of ageism by a crew member, they said that's the only complaint they have, again, that's gonna be pretty easy to prove whether there were or if there weren't. That's gonna be something that's not difficult to bring to light. There'll be other witnesses if they proceed with this. Absolutely, and there will likely be process

and emails and conversations and people who can come forward and say, yes, I did make this complaint. I think where that's really difficult in Hollywood is that when the industry can be so incredibly small, especially for crew, that coming forward to complain in a deposition with your name attached can be difficult down the road to look for work. And I think people are very mindful of that.

Everything that went wrong on the set, it seems is going to play out in court and we're going to have to wait and I think people are very mindful of that. Everything that went wrong on this set, it seems, is gonna play out in court and we're gonna have to wait and see what happens. But yes, not everything in Blake's complaint is addressed here, but again, they have to respond to what the New York Times knew and did, not to what Blake is saying in the employment lawsuit.

I guess we will all see how it plays out. I mean, I'm obviously with Natalie. For me, it's just like to believe just inside of the story. You have to assume that two people, Blake and Ryan, who generally have been fairly private people up until now, shortly after giving birth to her fourth kid, and I only say that

because usually parents who are like, parents of young children are promoting like, peace and tranquility and all that stuff. But you have to assume around this time instead of doing that and like maintain their relatively private lives in the messiest possible way, they decided to hijack and take over a project and basically get a bunch of co-conspirators be willing to make false accusations, get a bunch of people also to stand by those accusations, get Sony to also stand by those accusations. Or that Justin Baldoni, the guy who made his whole platform about highlighting, promoting,

using your privilege and identify your privilege. So he used that privilege to highlight women as a co-founder of the company that owned the rights of this movie when he had the opportunity to hire the director of the movie, hired himself. And then you just have to think that maybe the guy who claims to be the guy that he is isn't the guy that he is. But who knows? I could, we might be wrong. I'm going to be interested to see.

I mean, one of the things I talk about with lawsuits is to follow the money. Where is the benefit to Blake Lively? And they've dragged Ryan Reynolds into it too by saying that he you know went off on Justin Baldoni in a meeting but where is the benefit to them like does Blake Lively need a Producer credit. Yeah, this is all over an alleged producer credit like they were willing to put it all on the line. Yeah, like so Following the money make these accusations. I maybe I guess I don't know following the money. And make these accusations? Maybe, I guess, I don't know.

It just seems like, like why? It'll be interesting to see what happens with the California civil rights complaint. We now know that Blake Lively's filed in New York. We've got the PR filing in New York, which is gonna be a very intricate legal mess. And then we've got this filing against the New York Times. And the New York Times is going to spare no expense

to fight this either. So I imagine we will see an unearthing of more information and we're going to really have to wait and see. But I always, you know, who benefits and how, where is the money and why, and trying to parse the middle of this somewhere and two things can be true at once. If Blake was setting boundaries on the set

that they found difficult, then maybe they found it difficult. But does that mean that Justin Baldoni came into her trailer at times uninvited? Maybe. Does that mean there were other times when he was invited? Maybe. Does that mean that the New York Times

lied about all of this? Maybe not. Because when you sue the New York Times, if they say there's two interpretations, is that defamation or is that opinion? Also to your point, it's kind of perception too. In Justin's complaint, they showed a screenshot of the alleged birthing video,

that in Blake's complaint described as very aggressive, very kind of maybe not for work content. And in this screen, it's just a screenshot, but it looks very artistic, it looks very well done, but there's clearly a, you know, there's Jamie Heath, I assume, maybe he has some swim trunks on, I don't know, but he appears naked in a small pool with his wife, who's also naked giving birth.

And yeah, artistic maybe, but like it's a video. So you're assuming like, I don't know, maybe some people might be cool with that. Other people might like not appreciate their male co-worker showing them a video of their wife giving birth while they're all naked in a small pool like and it's what's interesting is like Justin's complaint is basically making the argument this is all normal which I find fascinating because it's like well I guess if you think this is normal what else do you

think is normal you know and this whole argument seems to be whose versions of normal are more normal in a way. And I mean, as to the New York Times, it's going to be, is it defamatory or are there reasonable interpretations, which is why defamation is going to be so difficult in this particular case? But yes, it is going to be a well, if you're preparing for a birth scene on a movie set, is it normal to review other people giving birth or do you look at a woman who was a few months postpartum and be like you've done this four times you we trust you like do you just let it let it go or do you is somebody say hey what's the inspiration behind the scene so it's again what's normal in a real life workplace and what's normal on a movie set is going to differ wildly too. And that's going to come down to what's industry normal. And we saw that in the rust litigation, what is normal on a set and what's not normal on a set and is this appropriate for this particular workplace? And Blake says

no. And Justin says yes. And not knowing the rest of the context of the video, we don't know. Other than for me, it just seems odd that you would need her to see a video of birth that she didn't ask to see after just giving birth for the fourth time, I feel like. To convince her to do it nude. I can also confirm because I've saw the movie, it's not a water birth, so. Also the part about like the calling her trainer to ask about her weight, and apparently, because he has back problems, is there an orthopedic doctor out there that says,

do not lift anyone who hasn't lost their baby weight out there, or is it just like, I mean, it just seems ridiculous, but again, that's just me. You'll find an expert who will come in and say that you will find an expert that will be paid by one team that will 100% come in and say that that is needed to do stunts. However, I would imagine that the solution on set would be well then we need a stunt double though what we've seen in Lively's complaint is that there wasn't a scene in the movie that called for that.

So then it's, is there a scene in the script that calls for that? Is there not? So you know who they'll bring in? They'll bring in the script supervisor to a deposition that'll last two and a half days to talk about what is and is not in the script and why couldn't you?

If you don't work at it, bring in a stunt double. If there's a scream about mental health, you get to call my therapist and check in with them? Like, huh? No, there's a scream about mental health, you get to call my therapist and check in with them? Like, huh? No, there's a thing about mental health. Do you know what they do? They send you to a therapist hired by the other side, and then that therapist gets to give an opinion,

and then your side hires a therapist, and then your therapist gets to give an opinion, but only if you put your mental health at issue in a lawsuit by claiming that you have suffered emotional distress. And that is why the process is so difficult because it then goes to forensic psychology. And we saw days and days of battling experts in the DEPHRD trial with forensic psychologists, because if you put that in issue in a civil suit, then yes, they the other side gets to pick who you're evaluated by and then you get to pay for it. Wow. Emily, thank you so much for breaking this down.

I'm sure we'll ask for you to come back. We'll continue to follow the story as it continues to unfold. Wild, wild stuff. There will be more. I say with everything, keep an open mind and ask the questions. Just when you evaluate lawsuits, just keep asking questions of all of the lawsuits.

What questions does this leave me with and will those questions be answered? And then work from there. That's how I work through lawsuits and I think it generally serves you well if you want to ask all the questions, ask all the questions of all the sides and it'll shape somewhere in the middle. To me, questions that haven't been answered. The text messages between Nathan and Abel talking shit and verifying Justin's behavior, that hasn't been addressed. The scope of work that Nathan and Abel sent to, well, Nathan sent it to Abel who was working for Justin, the whole scope of work. Like why does a PR team cost $25,000 a month when any other PR team, I think a high rate is like eight or ten tops for your top publicist. So like even that seems a little fishy. Like why, you know, stuff like that. That's not answered. A lot of other questions that I'm still unsure about.

But yeah, we're we're the subpoenas lawful subpoenas or did the PR agent from Jones work just be like, sure, here's the cell phone. How does Blake's team know the statement that was allegedly made at the premiere about I'll pay $100 million? Who heard that and how that all came to light? Also the rest of the context of these text messages, because again, they say the text messages are missing context.

Well, I've got one page of a screenshot. What happened? Four screenshots before it and four screenshots after it. And we're just going to have to see. And I've got dates and times in one and then everything's washed out from the other. So, yeah, we're missing so much. It feels like. So we will. We will definitely see.

But not anytime soon. People are going to want a resolution on this one by like February. And this is this is years of litigation, unfortunately, that's just beginning to unfold. Well, because isn't Justin also filing a counter suit, which I would assume would be in New York. So I'm like, if there's still more lawsuits being filed, are we gonna get a court date for each individual thing

or are they all kind of contingent on each other? That's a great question. In California, the California lawsuit won't have a trial date till 2027 or later, but there will be a lot of pre-litigation or early stage litigation with the New York Times and Baldoni in California. So stuff will move forward in that with a trial date 2027, 2028. In New York, it won't wait on what's going on in California at all because it's been filed separately. Again, the choice for Lively to file the employment suit in California,

then file the lawsuit in New York is interesting to me. And we might see a countersuit filed by Baldoni in that New York lawsuit and in the Joneswork New York lawsuit. And then those will all go through separate court processes because Lively's is filed in federal court in New York, which will probably move the fastest. Joneswork is filed in state court in New York, which will go slower, but not as slow as California. Baldoni's is filed in state court in California. And then Lively's in California is still in the administrative proceedings. So there are four different things in four different courts

and they're not gonna hinge on each other. They might allow them to coordinate discovery for like depositions, but we're maybe a year away from those things being even scheduled. Wow stuff. Emily, thank you so much. We appreciate it. As always, please let my audience know

where they can find you. Absolutely. The lawnerdapp at lawnerdapp.com is probably the best way to stay in the loop with everything I'm covering. I am on YouTube streaming Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, unless there's court like this week where I will be streaming the Supreme Court hearing regarding Tik Tok on Friday. So if you're interested if Tik Tok is getting banned or not and what questions

the Supreme court, none of who probably use Tik Tok, who had to ask like their grandchildren what Tik Tok is and what questions the Supreme Court, none of who probably use TikTok who had to ask like their grandchildren what TikTok is and what questions they have that will be on Friday. So YouTube at the Emily D Baker is going to keep you all up to speed. Thank you very much. I'll be texting you and asking you because I also am interested. I will let you know what the questions are from the Supreme Court. Lots of things happening in the law sphere with this break. I thought everybody would take a break over Christmas. They're like Christmas Eve, lawsuit, New Year's Eve, lawsuit.

And here we go. True. As always, we appreciate you, Emily. Good to see you. All right, bye-bye. Bye, guys. Wow, well, we love Emily breaking it down. I mean, you guys know, for the people out there

who are just like, why don't you like, obviously we wanted to cover the Justin thing. It doesn't change my opinion about the story. Like I said, talking to Emily, I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt, Blake, that is. Right? Yeah, I think it's interesting that everybody jumped right back to Justin's side

as if it was like they just couldn't be wrong. But I think that like what Emily said about keeping an open mind is so important because like Natalie mentioned, like, Blake could have been comfortable with Justin in the beginning and that's why she invited him into her trailer when she was pumping.

She could have been covered up at that moment. Yeah, I mean, also you just have to like, to believe his side, you have to assume that Blake and Ryan are willing to throw their entire careers away over this for what, a producer credit? Because like their egos were, I mean, I guess that's possible.

I mean, it's possible that's why they did what they did. Also knowing this will take years. Sure, yeah. But it's just like, why is it so hard to believe that this guy might've been a creep? You know, like he did, the man did a Ted talk about the importance of men recognizing their privilege in order to elevate women.

And then when he had a chance to hire a director for this movie, he chose himself. To me, there's just a huge disconnect. When it comes to stuff like that. I also think I've been going to like, Emily talking about that, like, woman and man boss thing. Oh yeah. We're going into that.

I think that ties into also, like, Blake and Ryan have very similar senses of humor and people find Ryan hilarious and they find Blake annoying. And it's like, it's just, it's just interesting. People over the weekend were arguing, they were arguing about how mad a husband can get when defending his wife. It's like, huh?

It's just like. Like the headline I read was like Ryan Reynolds berated Justin Baldoni for fat shaming his wife. It's like, huh? It's just like. Like the headline I read was like Ryan Reynolds berated Justin Baldoni for fat shaming his wife. Like, well I would fucking hope so. If someone fat shames me and Nick's like, I'd be like, the fuck? Like you better throw hands. Like, huh?

Yeah, over the weekend, all the Justin stans were like, oh my God, I can't believe he would show up to the workplace like this. It's like, Oh my God, I can't believe he would show up to the workplace like this. It's like the guy was if you again, if if you just are willing to believe some of her accusations, then wouldn't you, you know, the whole argument like wouldn't like what would you have done if you were working with someone who was doing this? Wouldn't if you were married to someone

who also like successfully made movies, wouldn't you lean on them? I don't I mean, I agree. But as I said, it's unfortunate, but the inherent misogyny, and it's easier for men to hate women, it's easier for women to hate women. You see it all the time. Who leaves nasty comments on women's Instagram photos? Typically not men.

Well, we will continue to cover this story. We'll see how it goes. Maybe we'll all be totally wrong, or we're not, but we'll continue to follow it. Up next, we have the hilarious Heather McMahon with us to talk all things Bravo in just her life. You're gonna laugh your asses off, but first let's catch you up on some of the latest headlines that happened while you were on break. It's a new year, a new you, and a new home. Wayfair has everything you

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All right Well before we get to our very special guest Heather McMahon Let's catch you all up to speed on what has been going on on reality TV Bravo front since we've been on break A lot has been going on Brittany is finally with her man Jared Osmond which I'm a little worried for our girl, but. She's secured a second season. She has secured a second season.

And I gotta respect that. I think he is only committing to her now because she got so popular on the show. It does, it is giving, she's a star now. Because remember in the beginning, he was very much like, fuck this bitch, I'm the reason she's on this show. We just go to Costco together.

We're not like that. Never will be. He literally posted that. It was like an unwarranted rant, if you will. I hate him. Do you hate to love him or you just hate him? No, I don't think there's any love. There's no love. I mean, the one scene of him and Brittany

sitting down talking was giving power dynamic. He's just like skeevy and slimy and he makes me this like hair on my back and my neck. And it's also like what you're choosing to post on your own social media shows me that that's who you are in real life. More so than like what we see on an edited reality TV show.

So it's like the fact that he, well this whole thing that we're talking about, shows that like we see that he's texting her like, I love you blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then he goes on social media and tries to air out and be like, she's nothing. I'm the reason she's on the show. She's using me for a storyline, blah, blah, blah, blah,

blah, are some kind of mean things to say about somebody you quote unquote love. Yeah, and it's definitely given, like now that she is a big reality TV star, it's definitely given like, now I'm gonna give you what you want so that he can maintain control of the relationship, and I feel like it's gonna be a lot of him like,

well now I'm dating you and I'm doing this, and this is what I need from you to still be in this relationship, and like it's gonna be a constantly, Jared's just like securing his position of power. I was gonna say it's securing status and finally seeing her at his level because while she was embarrassing herself,

that's when he was releasing this. That is not my girlfriend, she's using me. And now everyone's like Team Brittany or at least find her hysterical. And now it's like introducing my beautiful girlfriend. She's an angel. I'm sorry. Yeah, he presents to me as a little mini John Janssen. and now it's like introducing my beautiful girlfriend. She's an angel. I'm sorry. What did he write before?

He presents to me as a little mini John Jansen, housewife chaser, power hungry. Yeah. Yeah, I see a little JJ in him for sure. Yeah, he's a housewife chaser. Yeah. What is going on with Jennifer Aiden and Jersey Mike's? Girl, I know, but I wish I didn't know.

Basically, she was at an airport Jersey Mike's and- Do you know which airport? Gotta be LAX.. Basically, she was at an airport, Jersey Mike's. Do you know which airport? Got to be LAX. That's the one right there in the Delta. I'll look into it, but basically... I bet it's LA. Well, so she basically, from what we know, and we'll go through the different sides,

is that she ordered her sandwiches with her family, she made changes to the order, and then eventually they were like, look, you have to get back in line to replace orders. So she whipped out her phone and starts recording the employees. Oh dear God. What kind of substitution after you order requires you to get back in line? I'm assuming getting a whole new sandwich or changing like the bread or the actual recipe or something.

They're not being like, hey, no olive oil. They're being like, hey, actually no provolone, add this, add that, add this, put this on it and add that. Thanks. You're also at the airport. So in like chaos. Jersey mics, which is so streamlined of the options that you can put on that sandwich. I haven't been to a Jersey mics in a minute.

So I'm not familiar with their ordering process. You should watch her video. She'll catch you up to see. She brought up the video, huh? So she's, yeah, she's recording them. She really thought she was in there. You really, I always get a kick out of. She brought out the video, huh? So she's recording them. You really thought she was in there. You really, I always get a kick out of those, people bring out the videos,

because in that moment, you know that person thinks they are so right. Yeah. She was like, I'm from Jersey, I know what the sandwich should be like. How dare you? How dare you? So she kind of touches on that,

but she's like, they took our order, and then they took the lady's order that was after me, but they fulfilled her order first, somehow made us wait. Everything was slow, we're not complaining, we get it. It's early in the morning, you're in a bad mood, it's New Year's, you're working, I'd be pissed too. It was like kind of a through line of what she said. But here's a video of them doing it.

She's recording them and herself. Like it's like a Karen moment, you know? So then one of the Jersey Mike's employees who was in the video posted her own TikTok saying, I really hope this stupid bitch has TikTok. I really hope I come up on your for you page, bitch. I really hope you recognize me. Not knowing this was a housewife.

I think she knew. I mean. I don't think she knew. Maybe not. But then so. She probably said, I was on the Real Housewives of New Jersey. There's no way a Jersey Mike employee was that coy enough to be like,

I don't know if this bitch has a TikTok. She would have been like, she has. Good point. She probably thinks she's an older woman who doesn't have a TikTok. Yeah, exactly. I don't think she thinks. So the Jersey Mike's person claimed

that Jennifer Aiden doesn't know what she wants when ordering four different sandwiches and changing the bread last minute. The employee and her coworkers were apparently fulfilling the adjustments until Aiden allegedly started backing up the entire line. Workers then told the New Jersey Star that she needed to get back in line

if she was going to continue adding sandwiches. She starts tweaking, the employee claimed, alleging that Aiden said, I'm a celebrity, and claimed she was going to sue. She starts recording all of us, and she posts, learn how to order. I would kill her. She threatened her.

Which one's to sue? Which one's Jennifer? She's the one that got spacked in the face with the glass. KK, I gotta be more specific. She's friends with Teresa Giudice. Can you pull it up? This is not Mike's way. She's married to the botched guy. No, not botched, she's married to the plastic surgeon.

It's just like you are at a Jersey Mike's in the airport. Oh, her? Uh-huh. And if you keep adding in any situation, if you just keep adding on sandwiches and changes, like anyone would want to kill you. But it's also like the woman behind you got her sandwich first, probably because it was one sandwich and you ordered four. Like that's gonna take a little longer.

Also wheat is more expensive than white. So like if you change it to wheat, bitch, you gotta pay the extra 80 cents. Yes. Like also, even if they were right, you're out of Jersey Mike's. You're out of Jersey Mike's in the airport on New Year's? I have zero expectations of anyone working there.

Like I'm hoping I get a sandwich after I order, but if not, I went to Jersey Mike's and I ordered a sandwich. Okay. It's also just like you, you're doing God's work. I'm just saying if someone decides to not give a fuck that day,

I'm not gonna act surprised. But that's why it's like, it's simplified. So you really can't do anything wrong and the fact that she's making this complicated when it is truly, you're like, yeah, can I get a turkey and provolone Mike's way without onions? But that's what I'm saying. It's like this housewife is trying to take down someone who just got a job at Jersey Mike's and probably

Doesn't give a fuck. Yeah. Yeah, like I'm gonna sue You know, I'm gonna sue I'm gonna sue is the craziest thing I've ever heard in that situation Mike You're in a mic or this person who doesn't give a fuck. I'm a celebrity. I'll sue I just think a real I'm gonna would make me want to be like. Beef with Jersey Mike is the funniest thing in the world. No, it would make me want to so hard to be like move at the pace of a fucking snail. Oh no, you missed your flight

waiting on your sandwich. I'm sorry. I think our toaster's down. I would take so long to make those four sandwiches. And then I would make them so wrong. And then I wouldn't spit in them because that's just like a little too far, but they would be all wrong. They would have everything you asked me to not put on it,

plus some extra and you would get them cold. It would be so fucked. If they asked for no mayonnaise or no mustard. Extra fucking mayonnaise. You use the mayonnaise knife that you didn't wipe off and then you cut the bread that says no mayonnaise. Yes, so you see the little bit of mayonnaise on the bread. You act like, what is going on?

Like that would annoy the fuck out of you. That is crazy. You know, has she said anything else since this TikTok came out? Not since, no. She hasn't been like, here's my lawsuit. Which has gone more viral, her? I think hers has, because people didn't know

she's really complaining besides her quote unquote fans until- She posted this. Yeah, and then it was reshared once the employee was like airing her out essentially. That's crazy. There's been a couple of times where I've been really mad and I whipped out that phone and started recording

and I thought, what am I doing? I calmed down, I realized I was being ridiculous, I stopped recording. She posted it. Yeah, to record is one thing and then to go onto the app, click the post button, click the add the video, like that's a lot of steps. That's a lot of thinking you're right.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm just like, if this is your way of securing a storyline in the reboot of New Jersey, I don't think Jersey Mike's is cutting it. I don't know if this is securing a storyline. I think this is just, this is who they are. Yeah. Yeah. This is who they are.

Nia Sanchez is pregnant with baby number four. Congratulations. I feel like, I honestly am glad that this season has already wrapped, because I feel like all we would hear is four under four. Like all we heard before was three under three. So that is exciting though. What is going on with Lisa Barlow and our girl, Bronwyn?

So basically Lisa has created drama out of nowhere because there was this random Twitter account that's like a housewives, just like funny, weird, like just funny little Twitter account. And they were like tweeting up a storm, making fun of Lisa Barlow. And then Lisa responds to it and is like, hi Bronwyn. Oh, like suggesting that it's Bronwyn.

Suggesting that this account is Bronwyn when it is like, obviously not. I think it's called like, it's like Bethany Frankl's something or. I saw Bronwyn reposted it yesterday being like, cause I guess her father is sick in the hospital. So she's been like taking care of her dad. And she's like the fact that even off camera

that you guys, that you will go this far to make, like I'm focusing on real life things right now. My father's sick in the hospital, so she's been taking care of her dad, and she's like the fact that even off camera that you will go this far to make, I'm focusing on real life things right now. So for you to involve me into some shit that I'm not involved with is really fucked up. And this Twitter account is like, this is the second time Lisa Barlow has thought I was Bronwyn.

Should we assume that Lisa should know that Bronwyn's going through it personally? I mean, she posts about it on her story and talks about it openly, so I'm like, it's very evident what Brawnwen's dealing with right now, but I'm also kind of like, the idea that Lisa thinks it's gross that someone would accuse her of going to a blogger to talk about Whitney or whatever,

but I'm like, you're thinking that Brawnwen's gonna sit there and make a fake account to troll you? Monica, maybe, yes, but Bronwyn? I don't think Lisa for a second actually thinks it's Bronwyn. I think Lisa's just... She responded to the tweet. She responded to the tweet with, hi Bronwyn. Yeah, I get it.

I get she made the accusation, I get she's being messy. I think Lisa knows what she's doing. I don't think Lisa actually thinks it's Bronwyn. Lisa Bartlow's Twitter is one of my favorite things in the world and is psychotic. It's so funny. I mean, she's tweeting every Wednesday night. Every day.

Hardcore. She is, yeah. And it always seemed like she's absolutely livid at somebody. She is, always. I'm surprised she hasn't, I mean, maybe she hasn't, I haven't seen it because I don't have Twitter,

but have you seen Britney throwing shade at Lisa? What? About sponsorships. So basically, so basically we know that Britney has the whole like bump it, uh, high body count hair where Lisa says you need a Kera Stoss. What is it? Dermatine? And then, so basically a couple of days ago, Britney posted a Tik Tok unboxing, like a Kera Stoss package singing, I'm not that girl.

And then the caption was, Someone stole my Kairos DOS partnership, not naming names. Not naming names. Not naming names. But we, and then she's drinking a big Gulp or like a big Wendy's drink. And we know that Lisa is the queen of Wendy's sponsorships and she got a Kairos DOS sponsorship

like two, three weeks before. But she's also putting the Kairos DOS on her hair on. Wait, so did Brittany, so Brittany did not get the sponsorship. She didn't, so that's why she posted. But wasn't she on Watch What Happens Live saying like, I got a sponsorship? That was before this. So she was like teasing it, but then where's the sponsorship?

But then Lisa got it. On Lisa Barlow's page. And then the direct correlation is the Wendy's drink that Brittany was drinking. Did Lisa respond to this? I don't have Twitter, so I wouldn't know. Let's see. I shall check. It's crazy that Britney felt like confident enough

to say that on Watch What Happens Live and then for Karastas, the brand, to then be like, JK girl, we're gonna give it to Lisa. That's what I love about Britney. I think you can get Britney to feel confident about just about anything in the moment On December 18th Lisa Lisa tweeted fucking liars need to shut their fucking mouth Yeah, just like I don't know if that's a more that is not in reference to anything, but it makes me laugh

Okay, let's look at Lisa's replies. Oh, okay. So it was um, this is the Bronwyn Lisa thing. It's this account called Bethany's Waterbed. So it is obviously like a joke, Housewives account. It was just like reposting like a New York mag interview with Bronwyn and it says Lisa Barlow wishes. And then Lisa said, hi Bronwyn. So that's the drama there. But it didn't like Bronwyn had a full like clap back.

Didn't Bronwyn, release text messages? I think she just, like, screenshotted it on her account. On her stories. On her story and have been, like... Screenshotted what? The reply. What she just read, she screenshotted the tweet exchange and then was like,

the fact that you think this is me is crazy. And like, I'm going through this with my dad. How dare you, essentially. What Lisa replied back with? Well, Brahman reposted a screenshot of the tweet and then the caption on it says, I'm not sure why we need to do this too. I am not on Twitter nearly at all and I haven't been for a month or so. Especially now I have my hands so full trying to be the best daughter I can to two very sick parents. I'm so appreciative for those of

you who have reached out and for the castmates who bothered too. The rest I wish would at least leave me alone if they can't wish me well making tic-tacs about my outfits or Accusations on Twitter right now or last week when my mom was in the ICU with a brain tumor is kicking a dog when it's already Down. I mean that's kind of fucked up. I didn't realize that bro and His family is going through his health problems. Lisa should know, shouldn't she? Sounds like the cast makes no sense. Yeah, I thought it was her dad, but it's her mom. But yeah, her mom's like in on the ICU. It sounds like they're both going through it.

Yeah. Well, I mean, I think Bronwyn has, all we've seen this season is Bronwyn being like, Lisa, you're not as good of a friend to me as I am to you. And I think this just further proves that. Also scrolling through this Twitter account, 100% not Bronwyn. This is just a random,

this is like someone like me running a Twitter account. Well, it's whoever they are. They're very excited. Oh, if it got Lisa in a tizzy. This is like incredible. If somebody ever accused me of being a burner account for a housewife, I would lose my mom. Maybe it's Bethany Frankel. Maybe it's Bethany Frankel.

Maybe it is Bethany Frankel. I could pick it up. She's in TJ Maxx. She doesn't have time. Multiple burner accounts. She's figuring out what's going on with those drones. I will say what Bethany's doing right now is she's doing this like handbag university. So basically, I don't know if you've seen, but the Walmart Birkin has blown up on TikTok.

And like Bethany, her message right now is like, who cares what the brand is, how much you spent on it. Like as long as the bag is cute, it's cute. So she's like educating people on like cheap bags right now, which is I think commendable. I mean, I think people trying to make Birkins cute are wrong. The fake ones. All of them.

Okay. They are computer bags. They are briefcases. They, and. All of them. OK. They are computer bags. They are briefcases. And they're so expensive. I think it's literally just to show off how much money you have. I don't think it's to be like, I have a sense of style. They are investments, though.

But they're only investments if you plan to resell them. Exactly, yeah. And most people, like myself, I love a designer bag. I love it to pass down to my daughter, not to sell one day. You can get the Kelly Birkin, it's mini. We're not selling it on you? I don't have plans to sell any of them now.

If we fall on hard times. Well, yes, of course. If we fall on hard times, I will be selling my soul as well. And a Birkin is a down payment. I don't own a Birkin and I don't want a Birkin. I just think it's funny that the people who are upset that Walmart has this dupe, come the fuck on. It's ugly anyways, you know?

It is ugly. Wait, Walmart selling a fake Birkin? You haven't seen this? Well, so there's people that can sell things through Walmart. So Walmart's the platform, but there's shops. And basically there's this seller that was selling, they didn't claim it was this,

but people are calling it the Walmart Birkin. Cause it's the same design as a Birkin. And the Birkin people are up in arms. They weren't until, I mean, we don't, we haven't heard anything from them, but it's been taken off the site as of like- Who's them? Like people who make the Birkin or like the fans?

Hermes. So Hermes hasn't spoken out publicly about it, but we know that you can no longer buy it through Walmart as of like a week ago. But the people who own Birkin, were the ones. Like just people, like regular influencer, So Hermes hasn't spoken out publicly about it, but we know that you can no longer buy it through Walmart as of like a week ago But the people who own Birkin, like just people like regular influencer Rich people are like yeah, how fucking dare you? Try to copy. I definitely now want one of these $80 Birkin bags. Well, I did see you can buy

You could put your laptop in it for sure. Yeah, can I get one? You can buy the materials on Amazon and build it yourself build build Yeah, they give you all the stuff, you just have to sew it together. Do you wanna do that for me? I could take a day off and do it. Ha ha ha. Paige and Craig, have split.

Devastated. Yeah. That's a bummer. It is. I think it's sad just because this most recent episode of Southern Charm, he talks about like freezing his sperm, because if he were to get into like a car accident

or something, God forbid. It's definitely giving Paige broke up with him, for sure. Yes. I hope he's okay. It is nice to see two reality stars who break up. Just handle it like adults and maturely and obviously still have love and respect for each other.

And also not feel like they need to post a joint Instagram post with a caption, please respect our privacy. We love each other. It's come with great regret and sadness that we've chosen to end our relationship, but there is still an immense amount of love and respect between the two of us.

Like and subscribe if you want more. These are very difficult times, but please respect our privacy. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, they did not. Well, I feel like they handled it pretty well. Cause it was Paige on Giggily Squad. She kind of briefly said, briefly, yeah. I don't think you need to dive in there. Well, there are like they handled it pretty well. Yeah. Because it was Paige on Giggly Squad. Like. Didn't she like kind of briefly said.

Briefly, yeah. It's all over. I don't think you need to dive in there. It's all cool. Well, there are rumors out there of Paige and basically she's clapping back on like TikTok comments saying like, see you in court, love this fictional storytelling. Like. Yeah, I think she's.

She's having fun with it. She's having fun with it. Yeah. She's leaning in. I mean, I don't know. Yes, and. That's just what fans do. I mean, fans are always speculating

and coming up with narratives and- Because the truth of them just being like, hey, we're just gonna break up right now because we're not on the same whatever, whatever, whatever. We still love each other is boring. So everyone on the internet is like, oh, let's mix it up and throw some spice and make a interesting story

that people wanna watch on TikTok. It's sad though. I really liked them as a couple. I loved them as a couple. I only met Craig once at an event, very briefly. He seemed, loved his energy. All brief as it was. We got into No Page.

We love her. So it's a bummer to see two people you like, especially on reality TV. It's usually like, I really like them, but. Well, it's gonna be weird too, cause it's like the crossover between them on Summer House and Southern Charm. I'm assuming no more. Well, he's usually like, I really like them, but. Well, it's gonna be weird too, because it's like the crossover between them on Summer House and Southern Charm. I'm assuming no more.

Well, he's very much on Summer House this coming season. Or maybe not. Maybe we see the fallout of it. I know, I'm just saying he's in the previews, so that's where I'm like, even though this is done by the time Southern Charm is over, we're still gonna be going into Summer House. Well, I wonder if they would edit him out

as much as they could. Probably not. Why would they? Yeah, they kept him in the trailer and he's got all the issues with Kyle and the drink companies, the seltzer companies. I did see that. So Craig has like a pillow line

and if you go to like the page collection on his website, it says page does no longer exist or something. Few meanings there. Page, page. Yeah. Page's pillow. Like she has a page collection, or she had a page collection,

but he like took it off the page. And now when you click on the link, it says page no longer exists. That's a reactive decision. Wait, the page no longer exists or page no? Well, the page. That's giving. That's giving her feelings.

Yeah. Well, you don't know if he did it. It's not a thing. It could have been someone else on his team. They could have sold out. I was just thinking that the website. Absolutely not. This is Nick being a fan and he's speculating

and now he's trying to make a story more exciting. I am absolutely being a fan. I am absolutely speculating, 100% true. But I do think that- Because the truth of what it could be is they sold out and he's like, we're not restocking, let's just cancel it. So now there's no page to exist. But Nick's like, that's not fun.

Let's make it that he hates her's no page to exist. But Nick's like, that's not fun. Let's make it that he hates her, so he deleted it. I didn't say anything about anyone hating anyone. I said hurt feelings. I said hurt feelings, and he's a human being. Is he not allowed to be sad about this breakup? You're allowed to delete Page's page on the page. It is definitely not giving.

Especially if the page is causing you harm because of Page. If it was sold out and he would say, hey, we're sold out, you know, it would just be sold out, it's so popular, more in stock later, don't worry, we're still cool, not gonna eliminate these very wonderful pillows, my love doesn't exist anymore,

but your love for the Page pillow still can. He's not doing that, no, he's just like, immediately take it off the site right now, no one can for the page pillow still can. He's not doing that. No, he's just like immediately take it off the site right now, no one can have a page pillow ever again. Well, John Hamm is sad for Page and Craig, which I think is pretty iconic to have John Hamm be like, can we get John Hamm on? That's sad, never saw that coming.

He once talked to me about the Brewers once. The Brewers? The who? John Hamm. John Hamm is a Figria, a TV fan. And I love that. He's like, oh, you're from Milwaukee, how about this Brewers once. The Brewers? The who? John Hamm. John Hamm is a Figaro. A TV fan. And I love that. He's like, oh, you're from Milwaukee. How about those Brewers? I was like, yeah, how about those cocktails?

He's from St. Louis. Yeah? I did sit on the plane home next to a person from Wisconsin. I thought of you. You were talking to the person next to you? I was, and I thought of you specifically. I will say, I was like, I want to read my book, but. Sure, let's do this.

Let's keep talking. Was it hard for you? Were you like itching to? I could not hear I will say I was like, I wanna read my book, but. Sure, let's do this. Let's keep talking. Was it hard for you? Were you like itching to? I could not hear a single thing she was saying, but this older woman could hear everything I was saying. So I was like, I need to up my game. Do you need hearing aids? Apparently.

Yikes. Well, we are very sad for Craig and Paige. I am looking forward to when Paige starts dating again. Or Craig, cause that's when, if there is drama to unfold, drama won't. Mm. I don't wish drama upon them.

I do not wish the drama. Yeah, that's an icky. I don't. I'm being like, I can't wait for the drama, but I don't wish them any drama. I do not wish anyone unnecessary drama or hurt feelings. But if and when they do start dating, I do feel like if it were to slightly get messy,

it would be then. Jon Hamm also did say that Dree is not doing it for him. How do you feel about that? That's an unpopular opinion. Do you need to fight John Hamm? For Nick. I mean, I haven't met Dree in person yet, so I don't really know.

Well, he's staying on the show. Yeah. I mean, I find her to be entertaining. I say she's doing it for me, but so does he, so. Well, let's see how she's doing it for Heather McMahon, because she is also a Big Bravo fan, and she is up next. With Robinhood Gold, you can now enjoy the VIP treatment receiving a 3% IRA match on retirement contributions.

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I'm feeling the sexual tension right now and I'm getting very excited. I'm very horny. I'm always horny. Thank God you're here. Yeah. Yeah. I got you. I got you. So welcome, everyone. Thank you. We're just jumping right into it. Y'all, also, I apologize. I'm not crying. I'm having some sort of allergic reaction to like the dry California air. So my

eyes have just been watering. So I'm not emotionally distressed, but just know I'm like, I might do this all day. I don't know what the fuck's happening. There's a tissue beside you. Thank you. Oh yeah, actually, let me do this. We definitely like to like know what the fuck's happening. There's a tissue beside you. Thank you. Oh yeah, actually let me do this. We definitely like to like. If you need a dab. We've been known to get people to cry. You know, and I haven't had an emotional breakdown

since like last week, so maybe today's the day. I feel like you're a little tired. You know, I'm a little tired, so I'm overdue for a full manic breakdown. What did you cry about last week? Well, around the holidays it's tough because my dad died at Christmas. Thank you so much for bringing that up.

And, no, it's fine. If you think it's tough because my dad died at Christmas. Thank you so much for bringing that up. And it's fine. If you think it's going to get easier every year and it just, it's getting worse with time. I think grief gets worse with time because then you realize you're that much further away from the time that you talk to that person. It's bad. So I hate Christmas because my dad died on the 23rd.

And I did tell him when he was in the hospital dying, I'm really coming in hot. I said, if you die on fucking Christmas day, I'll never forgive you. So he died on the 23rd, which is like, he helped me out. You really made that moment about you. I really made that moment about me. And so yeah, the holidays, I hate the holidays.

Well, do you have any advice for people who, you know, are going through something similar? Like how instead, you know, have a mental breakdown, feel the emotions type of thing? I always say, give yourself grace. Like, you know, when you're going through grief and emotions type of thing. I always say, give yourself grace. Like, you know, when you're going through grief and this happened, listen, my dad died nine years ago.

So I should be like, I'm doing okay. It's just that one week that's weird. I always say, cry, feel your feelings and then go get like a hot dog or a cookie or a glass of wine. And then just like, you know, carb load after that. Okay. Yeah. Get your blood sugar stable. You know, have a little cocktail and then you're gonna be fine. Feel the feelings, weep and then be done with it.

And then eat something. And then eat something and then shut the fuck up about it. Where were you for the holidays? Where do you go? I was at home, I was in Atlanta. I usually go away, that's a thing. So we usually are like somewhere warm or we get the fuck out of the house

and I was sitting at home alone with my own thoughts and that's why I went a little crazy. Yeah, it's fine. We're good, we're good. Guys, I promise. We're good. Thank God. I'm really coming in on it.

I'm running on like four hours of sleep. It's been wild. It's award season. So we're doing the thing. You were at the Golden Globes. Yeah, I was at the Golden Globes. Yeah, I'll tell you everything. Were you at all the parties?

Yeah, I went to a couple of parties. Yeah, it was great. But it's a long day because I'm on the carpet. I started doing a bunch of hosting stuff with E. So I'm on the carpet at like two. I'm in hair and makeup at 9 a.m. I've interviewed people. I mean, you may only see like 10 interviews,

but I've interviewed like 50 people. So it's really crazy. So you're on for like three hours live and then you get off, you go change, and then you get ready to go schmooze and work the rooms at the parties. So it's a real. Who is a surreal red carpet interview?

Well, I got to talk to Ariana Grande and that was wild. And she's so petite and so tiny and almost like translucent, iridescent. Like she's so beautiful. Did you show her your ankles or no? I did, I showed her my ankles. We literally on camera, I looked like Miss Piggy and she looked like Kermit because she's so like tiny.

And it was just, it brought me a lot of joy. Like a lot of my friends are like splicing it together and doing it side by side. And I was like, this is my dream. Who else was great? Cooper Koch was great. You know, it's interesting because I love talking to TV stars because they get it.

They know how to work a room. The movie stars are a little serious, you know? They are. They're there for the art. They're there for the art. The TV stars are just like- It's a film. It's a film. It's a film.

It's a journey. But everybody on TV is just like ready to get fucked up and have a good time. Did you have to watch everything to prepare? Everything. And I will say, this is the hardest job. I started doing it because they asked me, I was like, oh, this will be fun.

I'll just get to like roast people. But now I'm kind of in a position where they actually like want me to be almost a journalist. I'll just get to like roast people. But now I'm kind of in a position where they actually want me to be almost a journalist. So that's been a little bit of a wild ride. I have to study, I have note cards, it's a whole week of prep. Yeah, so it's the hardest gig I do.

I can get up in front of an audience of strangers and do stand up off the rip for 90 minutes. And that's, I don't think twice about that. Having to like have thoughtful questions for people. And it's hard because, you know, podcasting, you get to sit and talk to somebody and like warm it up. You have 90 seconds with these people. And they're all like nominated for Oscars.

You really gotta get in and get out. Yeah. You gotta try to get a laugh. But also like their publicists are like, don't mention this, say this, you know, make sure you hit that. Do you know the name of their, you know, six upcoming projects?

You're like, I don't need, I, I, I. Be funny, but not memorable. Yeah, be funny, not memorable, don't say anything. So I'm trying to warm it up so I can really be myself because right now I feel a little robotic like I'm a journalist. And I did too many drugs in college to, you know. To be robotic.

Yeah, to be robotic and also to have any sort of like retention, you know, I can't remember facts. Did you see Zendaya? I saw her on the carpet, didn't get a chat with her but she was floating. Nicole Kidman, stunning. Did you you see Zendaya? I saw her on the carpet, didn't get a chat with her, but she was floating. Nicole Kidman, stunning. Did you hear that Zendaya engaged? I saw the ring, yes.

You did see the ring? I saw the ring, yes. Did you suspect an engagement when you saw the ring? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, a woman doesn't just- Was there talk on the floors? Well, she also too is one of those who like floats through and she was in that gorgeous big gown.

And then when I went back and saw the photos and we saw the ring, I was like, oh yeah, she got booed up. My favorite thing about Zendaya is that she was on Dancing with the Stars before. She really blew up and I like to think there's still a chance for me. Yes. I think you should do it.

No, I did. He did. Oh, you did it. I'm sorry. It was fine. It wasn't very memorable, not very good. What season were you on? Like 2017. Okay, that was a while ago.

Before anyone was really watching. Okay. She was on long ago as well. Also before anyone was really watching. A lot of people, it's the end of their journey, Dancing with the Stars, but Zendaya is hope for all of us, that maybe you can-

That it's the beginning. It's the beginning. Didn't she say that that really stressed her out? I think I heard a quote where she was like, this was a part of my life that was really stressful and she took it a little too seriously. Maybe, I know I did, yeah. I would love to do Dancing with the Stars.

One, because I think I would crush. Two, I would like to be paired with like a very petite ballroom male, you know what I mean? So I would really like to have that moment. I think we can make this happen. Yeah, I think so too. But then it's also like a lot of work.

Like, I mean, how many weeks is it? How many weeks did you make it? I don't remember. I was- You're like four days. No, no, I went pretty hard. I think I was like six. I was eliminated with Nancy Kerrigan.

Are you fucking kidding me? So like I was at her level. I just want to point that out. Wow. Yeah. I am wildly impressed. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. I am wildly impressed. That's pretty good. That's pretty good?

Yeah, it was like, I don't know, it was like six weeks or something. Okay. It was a ton of fun. You actually should do it. Very nerve wracking. Yeah. Honestly, the dancing in front of the live studio audience,

that's what freaks the shit out of you. At least for me, I'm not a professional performer. That kind of psyched me out. Maybe you being a comedian and selling out large theaters will help you, I struggled with that. It's not the same as shaking your ass at a wedding. It's very like one, two, three, four, and so like it's like steps.

It's choreodriven. And it's very, that was nerve wracking. I had a hard time looking like I was having fun while I was dancing. Because you were dead inside. Because there was a lot of like, oh my God, oh my God. You know, like a lot of that. Well, I just really thrive in glitter and sequins

and feathers and any sort of tight Lycra. So I think once I would put on the show suit, I would just come a lot. And the designing team there, phenomenal, fabulous. Thank God, as long as it's custom. Because I'll tell you what, being bigger than a size four in this business, it's tough, you know?

I mean, trying to even get dressed for these award shows. What did you wear yesterday? I keep wearing this brand, Tadashi, this is an amazing designer, and Octavia Spencer wore Tadashi when she won her Oscars. And they're like not expensive dresses, but it's beautifully made and it's for great, it's for all body types.

But it is wild y'all, being in Hollywood, actually, but it did not photograph well. It actually had a cool corset and it did not photograph. I looked nine months pregnant there, but it was actually really beautiful in person. You look insane. Thank you. That looks great.

What color is your color? But I'll tell you a little Hollywood secret. I'm here to, it sounds like I'm really coming in with negative energy, I'm not, but the amount of designers that say that they make sizes for everybody, when you in with negative energy, I'm not. But the amount of designers that say that they make sizes for everybody when you call to get dressed, they do not. So I want you to know they're all fucking liars.

Yeah, they're all liars. They're all fucking liars. So they put it on the runway to be like, this is what's coming. Yeah, and then they don't. When they say everyone, they mean they have three friends that look the same as them. Exactly, yeah.

They put it on the runway and then they're like, yeah, we don't make size, you know, sample sizes or we don't ship those sizes. So it's kind of bullshit. So shout out to Doshi. Thank you. Octavia Spencer's all, she went to Auburn. She did go to Auburn.

She is a huge Auburn fan, like has said War Eagle in her Oscar winning speeches. I met her backstage at this thing with Reese Witherspoon and she has a house in Mississippi and I have a place in Mississippi and we were chit chatting about it. And I was literally like, I'll see you in Mississippi. She's like, we might have to wait to go to Mississippi for a minute because, you know, tensions are high.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we'll circle back. Yeah, we'll circle back. We'll circle back. Yeah. Well, your Netflix special was... I have one on Netflix and then one on Hulu. It's all...

It's confusing. It's confusing. I was at the Netflix party last night and I was like, guys, my latest special came out on Hulu. What are we doing? Like nobody knows what's happening. I didn't be here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I got a few, yeah.

Well, the one that we watched was on Netflix. Okay, great. Then you watched the old one, the first one. Hulu. Was I, Hulu. It was Hulu. Was I in a denim dress or a black dress? No, we watched Hulu.

Denim. Denim. Denim. Yeah, bopping around. Yeah. Flipping my hair, talking about VJs. Flipping your hair, talking about VJs. So that first one on Netflix, Denim dress or a black dress? Denim. Denim. Denim. Denim. Yeah, bopping around. Yeah. Flipping my hair talking about VJs.

Flipping your hair talking about VJs. So that first one on Netflix, I talked about my dead dad. So I'm glad you didn't watch that one. I'm glad you watched the Hulu. We probably would have had a little different if we had watched Netflix. So thank God. I've been like, don't ask her about her phone. Yeah.

No, honestly, whenever you started talking about how, when giving blowjobs, we do not, we're not, the last thing we're thinking about is what we are doing currently in that moment. We had a talk afterwards. Yeah, how did you feel about that? Did I kind of expose it? I was like, oh my God, that's not true. I was like, yeah.

Yeah, I had a little bit more of a visceral reaction than he was expecting. So we did have to have a talk. Oh, I thought you meant that. No, we do not. It is a it is a means to get what we need and want. Yeah. And girls who say like, I love checking dick. No, you don't.

I mean, I do it. Obviously, I love my husband and, you know, it's it's a I can get in and out of there. But I don't when I'm down there, I'm not thinking about that. I am checking things off the list. Hell, you know, I take my SSRIs this morning? I'm writing my grocery list. Yeah.

In my head is the grocery list. Yeah. I mean, that makes sense. I don't feel like men are like- What? Thinking about what's down there. All right, so yeah. What are you thinking?

What are you thinking about? I'm not like, wow, what a great vagina. Okay. When I'm down there. Oh, okay? We've never insulted your dick It's great Great vagina cools your fucking child.

So like. Actually, what is what I was gonna say. You're good to know it's great. Your pussy is perfect, okay? Yeah, thank you. Actually, that's what I'm thinking. Still got it. Yeah.

You know, like. For sure. I'm like, wow, how would she do this? But do you, when you're down there, are you not like thinking about filing your taxes or what's going on in that brain? Listen, you don't even have to answer it. We already know there's not a lot going on

in most men's brains. There's not a lot. There's not a lot. It's more like, I hope you like it. That's what I was gonna say. I feel like they're thinking about themselves and their performance. They're like, okay, I think that, oh, is that a move?

And we're like, I'm the fucking man. Is this over with? Yeah, but here's the thing that we all know we're good at what we do. And I had to, a confession, I got my neck done for Thanksgiving, so that's why if I seem a little good at what we do. And I had to, I, confession, I got my neck done for Thanksgiving, so that's why if I seem a little stiff, I had a, like a little neck procedure.

And so I'm really off the table. Like I can't give a blowjob for like another month and a half. Was that, was that doctor's orders? Doctor's orders. Well, I couldn't have sex for like four weeks. And I was, I'm still very swollen. And I came down the stairs when I got the clear and I'm a very horny person. I was like, I think it was the first day of post-surgery, they like put on makeup and

like try to feel like myself. I was like, honey, like I got cleared and all of a sudden my husband just started reorganizing the kitchen and I was like, I'm a monster. He didn't have the art. And I looked at the mirror later, I was like, my face was so swollen. And I was like, oh God, no man ever turns out sex. Especially my husband. You're like, you're cleared. Yeah, I was like, oh God, no man ever turns out sex. Especially my husband. You're cleared. Yeah, I was like, I'm cleared. I was like, you can put a pillow over my head. I don't care. Just just lay me down. Raw dog me. But yeah, I can't give blow jobs for a while because the neck is a little too tight. And whenever you were told that in your like your consult was your husband like,

oh, maybe we should rethink. No, he never came to any of the consults. But then the night before surgery and they didn't do anything to my face. They just like tightened a little muscle, right? He literally was like, Shalala, do I get a rendering of what you're gonna look like? I was like, we're not building a pool house, Jeff, okay?

They're just gonna tighten the muscle. This is what happens when you're in this biz and you get closer to 40, like fuck you. He was really panicked the next day, but then it was fine. Yeah, yeah. But in like four more months, forget it. This jaw is about to be snatched. Okay.

Get excited. Yeah. Holy shit. Yeah. Well, I'll be adding that to my list. Yeah, you don't need it. You're perfect. Don't do anything.

You're perfect. Seriously. I feel like in Hollywood, if you don't do it, you're scum on the bottom of your shoe. But see, no, you're good. You don't need it. It was always a thing. I inherited my neck from my dad,

and he had a nice big beard to cover it. And just finally one day I read enough comments on Reddit and I go, okay, I'm calling someone. I didn't know about this. Are you reading your Reddit comments? No, but I was bullied once on Reddit by a group of women because I went through that phase that a lot of ladies did where we got intense eyelash extensions. And I went through that phase that a lot of ladies did where we got

intense eyelash extensions, and I looked like a bird that could take flight. And I'm so glad they bullied me. I needed to be bullied. But it was also, that's what everyone was doing at the time. Right, sometimes it is helpful. You had eyelash blindness. I had eyelash blindness.

That is the one blindness I think I really had. Are you using eyelash serums? Your eyelashes are very long. No, these are actually, these are fake right now. They're fake. They're fake. Okay, well. But they'll fall off at like midnight, okay?

They'll be on your nightstand. Yeah, they'll be on my nightstand later, it's fine. They look real. Yeah, thank you so much. I went, because I'm going natural, okay? And here's the thing, I've never done anything. I was only like a baby Botox girl, but this is what everyone's doing now.

You get the little tweaks so that you just look fresh. No one's doing the fillers and all that bullshit. I've never had my lips done, any of that. I'm just like, just tighten it up. You know, we're just tightening everything up. Yeah. So I feel like eventually I'm gonna need a boob job because I did my daughter, she sucked him to my ankles,

unfortunately. So I was like, Oh, this, you know, maybe after a second, maybe I should get and I would want them to probably be your size. So if you could send me a nude, I would write if you want to do a fat transfer to I'll just suck something out of me. I got a thick back. I'll just suck it out of there and we'll just drop it off at your house. Yeah. Yeah. You'll put it in like a Tupperware. I'll put it in Tupperware. Country Crock. Country Crock. Easy. And we'll just, yeah, I got to get rid of it. And I'd rather donate it. You know, it's like, I don't, I can't do locks for love because I have hair

extensions, but I would love to donate my fat for your new boobs. Do you have donor on your license? Absolutely not. No, I have to take too many gummies at night and get on the internet and everyone's like, I woke up, I wasn't dead yet. Now they were cutting out my kidney. So I'm like, I can't. Absolutely not. No, I already give enough money to charities. They don't also need my vital organs, you know, right, right. They're gonna they're gonna be in the grave with you. Yes, yes, absolutely. Do you want to be cremated or buried? Okay, funny story.

I saw this thing recently, again, when I was on Gummies at Night, they have this new natural box where you're put in a beautiful wooden box and you're covered in linen and then they turn you into a cherry tree. That's what I would like. I just think that's nice.

A cherry tree? A cherry tree or whatever. I'm not George Washington, but you know what I mean. She's like, I don't know know if I can have a nice palm, like whatever. A fiddle. Foliage. Foliage. I would just like to be back in a garden.

But we had to cremate my dad because he was a really big dude and he had originally bought his like burial plot and his casket. Cause you know, he was a planner, and didn't even know he was sick, died very quickly of cancer, but then when we went to plan his funeral, they were like, yeah, your dad's too fat for the casket.

He needs a Destination XL big and plus casket. Were you able to tell him? No, he was already dead, he was dead. You were like, just set him on fire. He was already dead. So I did tell him as I was identifying the body, I was like, dad, I hate to tell you. Yes, I did tell him.

Actually, fair enough question. Okay, okay. So I was like, what are our issues? Am I allowed to laugh? Yeah, you're allowed to laugh. You're absolutely allowed to laugh. I made a whole special out of this. So just laugh, release it, feel the feelings.

Yeah, so I did have to tell him. I do look back, I think he was kind of fucked up. So my dad died in Houston at MD Anderson, which is a cancer hospital. We had to fly him back to Atlanta. And then, oh my God, this is so fucked up. Why am I sharing this? So then they were like, you have to identify the body.

And so he's in the casket. They put him in like a master's golf sweater because my dad goes to Stockholm. I go to the master's every year. I'm like, Masters golf sweater because my dad goes to the Masters every year. I'm like, how did you all get their sweaters? Someone broke into our home. Yeah, this is like his nice cashmere. And I was like, actually, that's a really like you don't understand. Can we have that? Yeah, can we have that back? Because I go to the Masters every year. Like that swag is fucking expensive. But okay, dad. And then I had to go in there and the lady was like, I was standing in like the back of the room and she was like,

you can get closer. I was like, I don't want to the back of the room and she was like, you can get closer. I was like, I don't wanna get fucking closer. He's been cold for four days. Like it's him. Is it the fat guy with the beard and the sweater? That's my dad. Look at his neck. Look at his neck. Look at my neck.

It was similar. Yeah, it's similar. I would get cremated because this is bullshit. I'm sorry, but anybody listening to this, if you're in the funeral biz, you know you're running a Shady Boots business. In order to get a bigger casket for my dad, they wanted like 10 grand more.

And my mom was like, oh, fuck this. She's like, I could redo my bathroom. Absolutely not. No, cremate him. So we cremated. What do you wanna do? I think cremate. I have just an issue with worms eating me

while I'm down there or something. I don't feel like that's the way I should. Okay. Aren't they able to take your ashes not only turn them into diamonds or pressed jewels? Probably. I had a landlord here in LA. This is most LA shit.

She had her dead cat's ashes put into a tattoo. And I don't know that, somebody give the fact check that. I have one in my finger, yeah. Oh, with ashes? With ashes? So I'm not bullshitting this, thank you. I have one in my finger, yeah. With ashes? With ashes? So I'm not bullshitting this, thank you. Who is it?

Can I ask you a question? How is that? How did that set up happen? You have to find someone that does spiritual tattoos or indigenous tattoos and then they'll do it for you. They just sprinkle a little bit into the ink. And then, I think it's a beautiful thing. Oh, it is a beautiful thing.

I was just a little concerned because her cat died from like a horrible disease. And I just got a little nervous about that. Yeah, but now in your bloodstream. Yeah, I got a little worried about cross contamination. But wait, that's really cool. A small amount. So I think I can't like, well, we hope I'm still here. Is your tattoo a little gray because hers was gray. It's fine. OK. Well, mine's blue.

So I'm going to taxidermy my pet. I want them stuffed. You know, we fully black. Mine's colored. Well, mine's blue. Blue? I'm gonna taxidermy my pets. I want them stuffed, you know, we're Southern, it's fine. You walk in, you got a deer head and moose head, it is what it is. But I want my two French Bulldogs fully stuffed. And I've already told my mom that I'm probably gonna stuff her too and set her up on our-

Have you thought about what position? Yeah, oh, I've thought it through. So I'm gonna cryo-freeze her or taxidermy her because my mom lives with us. We live with her however you want to spice it. And we have this obnoxiously huge island in our kitchen and she sits there every morning and I come down the stairs and as soon as I hit that bottom step, she's like,

Heather, let me show you something I found on the YouTubes. So I feel like I'm gonna have a little button that as soon as I hit that step, it'll say that. And she's just sitting there with a glass of wine. She'll always be in a bar stool. She'll always be in a bar stool. She'll always be on a bar stool. So you only have like five accessible to other people.

Exactly. Exactly. You know, but I feel like when guests come over, they're like, it's a little creepy that your mom's stuffed. So we would just like to sit in the dining room. Yeah, yeah. We're not gonna hang out in the kitchen. Can't you get like a gold plate, like at the bars

where they're like, you know, Stan used to drink here? You could. And actually we did that at the Waffle House down the street from my house. There was a little plaque and it said, it was like Kyle McMahon's spot. My dad spot the Waffles. But I do think Waffle House was the reason he died.

So, you know, it's not, a lot of nitrates in that sausage. They were at our wedding. We did have Waffle House at our wedding. They catered. It's the only way to do it. I know. Where'd you get married again?

My family's farm in Savannah, yeah. Yes, that's beautiful. Love Savannah. Rank cater. It's the only way to do it. I know. Weren't you getting married again? My family's farm in Savannah, yeah. Yes, that's beautiful. Love Savannah. Rankin. Rankin County? Effingham County. Effingham County. Effingham.

Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Y'all had a beautiful wedding. It was really good. We do have to talk about something off air, but we'll talk about that later. Because I have a connection to something that happened to y'all.

Love that story. Nick was actually cosplaying, I think, a little too hard. At our welcome party, we had a little country chic. I'm like, let's bring in some of my roots, have these people from the Midwest and LA and New York kind of have a taste of what my childhood was like and my family. And Nick started introducing people to his Diddy.

No. Diddy. You say Diddy? I said it was my daddy. It's my daddy? It was my daddy. D. It was daddy. Diddy. You saying diddy? I said it was my daddy. It's my daddy? It was my daddy. D-I-D-D-Y.

Yeah. Everybody's got a diddy. I'm marrying these people now. I'm so, you know. You gotta lean in. He's yawing it. He's, yeah. I was riding a horse.

Riding a horse. I'm Thanksgiving. That's beautiful. Yeah. Now, are you, what do you call your grandparents? Well, it was grandmother and papa. Papa, okay. Very, she was like, if you called her grandma,

she was pissed. She was like, it's grandmother. She was very classy. Betty Sue. I love a grandmother. I had a Mimi and Papa, that was also. But then my mom's side of the family is from Boston, so it was like very Italian.

But my southern grandmother, Sally, you call, you know, it was Mimi. Oh yeah. It was a Mimi. Yeah, they love a Mimi. They love a Mimi. And if you didn't have a mean Mimi growing up, like it's always a southern grandmother who's a real bitch. Yeah. A lot of like, yeah, a lot of hands slapping. Like my grandmother idolized my older sister because my sister's like this beautiful porcelain doll and took her to get glamour shots at the mall.

And for Father's Day, which was honestly, when you look back, a little creepy. So I get back to the house and my mom's like, where are you glamour shots at the mall. And for Father's Day, which was honestly, when you look back, a little creepy. So I get back to the house and my mom's like, where are you glamour shots at? And I'm like, well, Mimi said, I'm in my awkward phase. And so I can't get any. My mom was like, god damn it, she's a bitch. It took me down to the mall, we got glamour shots.

We don't have any record of these glamour shots because my mom said they turned out so horrible. She too would not buy them. Turns out Mimi was right. Turns out Mimi was onto something. But at least I had the experience of getting all gussied up. Yeah, thank God. My papa, he's in his 90s now.

Oh, he's still with us. He's still with us. Oh, that's a beautiful thing. He's the only one still with us. And I was pregnant last Thanksgiving and I was what, seven months pregnant? I was six months pregnant? I was pretty big.

I was what? Eight or nine. Well, I gave birth in February. And this was November, so math. Continue. Anyways. Anyways, so he was like, you're a lot bigger than normal

Well, yeah, yeah I don't think he understood that that you do gain the weight when you're carrying a child and it was a lot of like What's going on here? You know, well because back in the day they didn't you know what I mean? They did not our my Mimi was smoking cigarettes You know suppressing that appetite right and then it would just like you'd go to the bathroom one day. You would just take a hard shit. And next thing you know, you had a four year old. Exactly. Yet times have changed. We're oversharing a lot.

You know, I came in here real hot. I already told you I got my neck done. I was like, I'm not going to go with that publicly. I apparently I am. So, you know, I mean, I also feel I am not with child, but I also feel like I'll probably be the person who pees on the stick. And then just I'm like, I'm like live streaming it like, you guys, it finally happened. In comedy, I don't have I'm unable to not somehow turn this around and share it.

Yeah. And there are times where I'm like, I need to just shut it down. But I don't. We can bleep neck. Yeah. It's like, I got my bit done. And then when it leads into, I can't get blow jobs or have sex, they'll think I got my vagina done or something. Yeah, I kind of like this. Lavioplasty, kind of hot. Kind of hot.

Wow. I have seen photos of before and afters of labioplasties and I compared and I think I'm still good. Yeah, you know, I feel like they look maybe worse after. Maybe. Maybe, some would say. Yeah. With the wrong doctor, maybe. Yeah, if you're gonna, know, they, I feel like they look maybe worse after. Maybe. Maybe, some would say. Yeah. With the wrong doctor, maybe.

Yeah, if you're going to listen, ladies, if you're listening, if you're going to get your vagina fixed, make sure you do your research. Like, maybe I wouldn't go to, like, um... No discounts. No coupons. No, no, no, I just probably, I wouldn't go to, like, a dermatologist, you know? Like, I'd probably go to a...

Don't go to a podiatrist. Right. Because this may be something that you don't know. But like, the dentist will do Botox and dentists are the only ones who you should allow other than plastic surgeons to do Botox because they know every muscle in the face. But I've gone to some shady places before I knew any better. And they're literally like, you know, it's a it's an orthopedist who's like doing filler. You don't want

that. You don't want to go to don't want that at all. You wanna go to a specialist. Yeah. Yeah. And I feel like if you're not going to a specialist these days, maybe you just deserve what came out. Yeah. You know? I totally agree. If you're getting your nose job done

by someone who's not specializing in nose jobs, that's why it looks like that. There was actually a big thing in my town in Atlanta. There was a guy who was an ophthalmologist. He was an eye doctor. And he ended up giving everybody these botched facelifts. Oh, it made national news. Yeah.

Like on purpose, because he didn't know what he was doing. He didn't know what he was doing. He just thought he'd make some quick cash. But people got really destroyed. So do your research. Don't do too much and do your research. That's all I'll say.

Are you watching Housewives? Do I watch Housewives? Honey, I've been on oxys for the last two weeks. I have literally been laid up, ice in my neck, wrapped up being like, let me catch up on Beverly Hills. I watch it all. You watch it all? I watch it all.

Are you a big pop culture in general? Yeah, I eat it up. You eat it up. Yeah, oh yeah. What's your favorite, like most wild story you're following right now? Housewives or? Well, Salt Lake City just keeps getting better and better.

And you know what, they really, they're worth every penny. I'm gonna say something publicly, I'm gonna get in trouble. New York is just a fucking snooze for me. Yeah, we gave up, yeah. I gave up. I said it was boring and gave up. Yeah, unless it is old white women around 65 fighting over the last truffle fry in the Hamptons,

it's not, it's never gonna hit for me. You wanna feel the hate. I wanna feel the hate. I wanna feel that they're all about to get canceled. That's why we tuned in to see Ramona and Sonia and Luann just at rock bottom. Exactly, not like a fake prank. Yeah, oh, fake prank.

That's going on for too long. That's when I gave up. I was like, you know, this isn't for me anymore. You still have Luanne trying to work. She's sleeping with the guy from Southern Charms. I saw that. Southern Hospitality. Southern Hospitality, we watched episode one. Did you watch that at all?

I'm not cut up on that. We just started. We just started. We were like, let's see, let's see if we can try. Yeah. We met Joe Bradley at an event and he was like, hey. Hey. And we were like, all right, we'll see what it is.

Wow, we really sold it to hey. Hey. And we were like, all right, we'll see what it is. Wow, we really sold it to you. Hey. Luann did try to take me home one night, long time ago. Really? Let's talk about that. Yeah, we've talked about it. Okay, okay. Yeah, it was a long time ago in Chicago.

It was fresh off of me being on the Bachelorette, and she was with some friends in Chicago. On a scale of one to 10, how tempted? Zero. Zero, okay, all right. She looks good in person. She was lovely and wonderful, how tempted? Zero. Zero, okay. All right. She looks good in person. She was lovely and wonderful and she's a beautiful woman

and it was just like maybe not, it wasn't the time for me and she was like, were you the time? He was on his period, yeah. He was bleeding, so he was like, and he didn't shave his pussy that day. So he was like, I haven't shaved. I haven't shaved my pussy in 10 years, okay. She had started the night earlier,

I wasn't really at her level. I was like going to a place called Stout Bar, which was just very, it was a ball. Stout Bar in New York? Chicago. Oh, Chicago, sorry. She's like, I'll go there, and I'm like, I don't think you wanna go here.

Yeah. And then I said goodnight. Were you outside sharing a cig with her? Is that how the interaction started? No, it was at this place called Italian Bar. RPM? RPM Italian. Yeah, yeah. Shout out to called a Italian bar. RPM? RPM Italian? Yeah, yeah.

Shout out to Giuliana and Bill. Yeah. I mean, they were smart. They really. The way they did that branding with the restaurants, and RPM Italian's fantastic. Fantastic. Anytime I play Chicago, you bet your ass,

I got a Rezzi at RPM. Every time we go back, we go back there. Great seafood tower, one of the best. Yeah. Yeah, but I'm really into Salt Lake City. The fact that Mary was sitting at dinner in, where were they, Puerto Vallarta, and she thought she was eating pastrami soup.

And they were like, it's minestrone soup. But also, who's eating minestrone soup at the beach in Mexico? Who's eating soup at all? Yeah, I was very, and listen to Caspacho, I don't know what we're doing. So I was very confused by all of that. I did watch What Happens Eye with Bronwyn and her husband.

And, um... Oh, you did? Yes. And I gotta be honest with you, he was lovely. So I don't know... I see, I told you. Yeah, I think that the, obviously he's the villain, but they were lovely and they seemed very in love

and Bronwyn was a doll. So... She's a doll with us. She is a doll. And I, you know, she, she shared some light into their relationship in the most recent episode. Oh, so I'm not caught up, well, I saw the one on the boat where they were chit chatting.

Yeah, the one on the boat where she's like, yeah, so he cheated on me. That's the most recent, right? Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Why have we not had two of them? Yeah, did you, he accidentally cheated on me. They don't post during Christmas. It was like, he was texting or something,

and Gwyn, her daughter saw, and then we had Heather and Whitney be like, Let's fucking kill that bitch. And then we had... The ring with five promises. Oh yes, he gave her a ring with five diamonds after. I need a second. Guys, what is life? What is life? The way she just threw that in was like, she's fucking rich. Sorry, they're rich.

They're so rich. She's like, yeah. And like he did that and then he just gave me like was like, she's fucking rich. Sorry, they're rich. She's so fucking rich. They're so rich. She's like, yeah, and like he did that. And then he just gave me like this ring with five diamonds in it. Yeah. And it was five things deep. And then let me talk about it on national television. And then let me talk about national television.

And then I, to my knowledge, she does kind of do a backtrack. Okay. Where she's like, no, no, no, it wasn't like cheating. Where are y'all getting that from? It was like- She was sobbing on that speedboat after 10 margaritas and definitely said he was cheating.

Definitely. So you can't backtrack that one. What was his, wasn't he asked something on Watch What Happens Live? Didn't Andy be like, what's, what's, are you- I'm usually pretty hammered when I do this. So I don't remember much. Okay, great, okay.

They were lovely though. When I was talking to her, she was like, wait till the season unfolds. Like Heather and I are really gonna go at it. And I get, people think I'm Heather Gay all the time. Do they? Yeah, and Heather Gay's been so sweet to me, but I was at a restaurant in Denver at Quality Meats,

and I had a show that night in Denver, and this, I'm standing outside waiting on my car, and this woman walks out, and she was like, Heather? And I turn around. She goes, ugh, you're not Heather Gay? And I said, oh, I'm so sorry, no, I'm not Heather Gay. And she goes, out and she was like, Heather, and I turn around. She goes, ugh, you're not Heather Gay. And I said, oh, I'm so sorry, no, I'm not Heather Gay. And she goes, I heard there was a famous Heather out there.

Ugh, and was so, this fan was so upset that I was not Heather Gay. I mean, from the back, we both have blonde hair. And I was like, no, I'm so sorry, ma'am. I was like, would you like a hug? And she just walked back to the restaurant. I was like, okay, fantastic. Yeah.

So no selfie. Yeah, no selfie, yeah. Perfect. Salt Lake City is doing the Lord's work. That's all we need to know. They are carrying, I believe, the entire franchise. Beverly Hills is a good real second. Beverly Hills is really good.

Beverly Hills is good. How are you feeling about Dorit's single era? This is the first time I've liked Dorit. Same. This is the first time I've been like, I connect with Dorit. Well, you actually believe what she's saying this season. Last season I was like, I don't know,

fashion, fashion, fashion. Yeah, and I feel like she's dropping the accent a little bit. Like, she's arguing with people, she's getting a little bit more Connecticut, less like Cotswolds. Women of the world. Right, right. Denise is coming out, not Dorit.

Exactly. Yeah, I just love seeing Kathy Hilton driving around in her Bentley, what am I trying to say, convertible, Jesus, I'm really having a stroke here. I'm just obsessed with her and her sun hat driving around in the Bentley, trying to be a normal gal. That brings me so much joy,

seeing somebody that rich trying to relate. She to me is like the Mary of, you know? Yes, with her box fan and drinking Red Bulls at 2 a.m. Cause you thought it was like a club soda. You're always like, what's next? What could they possibly do that's gonna be amazing no matter how it lands? Whether it lands or doesn't land, it's all fun.

And I love that Cathy Hilton keeps pushing like Hilton products, like as if we don't, we've never heard of the brand, Hilton Hotels. They're always doing a product placement for Hilton and I'm like, I'm pretty sure Hilton's doing okay. I'm gonna talk about my new line. Yeah, you ever heard of it, a Hilton Hotel? Was it in Beverly Hilton?

Isn't that where the gold gloves were? It was, yes. Yeah, we got ready. I spent the night there. A lot of things have gone down at the Beverly Hilton so I was definitely hoping there were no ghosts in my room. So yeah, yeah, but it was great. Did you feel any?

No, I did not. But they had the heat blasting and I just gotta say something. In Los Angeles in January, if it gets chilly at night, these hotels have gotta quit. They turn off the heat. I mean, I'm waking up, can't catch my breath. They're acting like winter finally showed up

and they're really excited. Yeah, it's some bullshit. Yeah, so I'm dry. I'm dusty, I'm dry. I'm dusty, I'm dry, my eyes are watering. I'm really shutting down. When do you go back home? A month, I'm here all month.

You're here all month? I'm here all month. I'm doing the Critics Choice this weekend. Then I'm gonna go to Hawaii for a couple of days. I come back, I work, and then I head back to the East Coast and then I'm back on tour. Is your husband back at home in Atlanta? He's at home watching the Frenchies right now

and then he's gonna come out next week because he's made a lot of golf tee times. So he's got places to hit. What are your Frenchies names? Rigatoni and Macaroni. My sister has two as well and they're Beatrice and Tinkerbell. Oh my god they're perfect. BT.

BT. I got Max and Riggs and they're the loves of my life and I birthed them and they breastfed and everything about it's perfect Yeah, and they will bite your children. So don't bring them over to my house Yeah, they're all crazy and you know, absolutely they mouth to mouth tongue tongue tongue tit to tit Yes, absolutely. We do a lot of skin to skin. Those are my babies Butthole to butthole. Butthole to butthole, honey Yeah, if you don't wake up in the middle of the night

and you got a Frenchy butthole on your butthole, then you don't love your dogs. So I believe that. Are you following the Blake Lively and Justin Bellini story? Yes, but I don't know what is up, what is down. I am so confused. I'm trying to keep up.

I don't know what the fuck's happening. They have our head in like a blender and they're just like blending it up. Yeah, I mean, I don't know what's happening's happening. They have our head in like a blender and they're just like blending it up. Yeah, I mean, I don't know what's happening. All I know is, my friend, all I know is just the whole press tour was confusing, the movie was confusing. I was never dialed into that story,

but what can you update me on? Does he have receipts? He's like, you said it was okay that I came into your trailer while you were pumping one day as if that was like a green light for everything going forward. Got it. And were there specific incidences that she said,

because I know she said he was showing her nude videos. Oh yeah, she said there was a lot of ad-libbing and sexual scenes where he's like, and now I'm gonna make out with your neck, even though that wasn't approved in a script, and I wanna bite your lip, and I wanna suck on your tongue. And she's like, whoa, whoa, I don't wanna. It takes so little not to be a creep.

So little. So that's why whenever I hear these stories, I'm like, yeah, they were being a fucking creep. I mean, you just gotta go to work and not be a creep. How fucking hard is that? It can't be that hard. Can't be that hard, come on, guys. So that's kind of what's taking over pop culture currently

in this moment. All right. Yeah, so we'll see. It continuously unfolds more and more and more and more. So, you know, hang on. I'm hanging on. I'm doing the best I can. Truly. You know?

Have you ever had like a work of art guy? Somebody try and suck my neck on a scene. I didn't want you to bring up the old porn I used to do. But, um. I know that we're here. No, I would love to be cast as the hot girl who, that fantasy plays in my mind all the time. That I'm with, I don't know, the rock, Dwayne Johnson,

and something fabulous is happening, but no. I'm always the funny best friend. I love the rock, Dwayne Johnson. Who plays the alcoholic. Yeah, I do too. He's there something about him. Dwayne the Rock Johnson. Yeah.

The rock, Dwayne Johnson. Yeah. It's his brother. It is his brother. I'm assuming you've met guys who like, wherever it's work or in situations, like show up as like these super nice guy and says all the right things

and all of a sudden behind closed door, they're like, what are you, fucking weirdo. I'm in comedy, okay? They're all like that. No, there's a lot of good guys. But yeah, a lot of these guys. Again, how hard is it? Just don't be a creep.

It's not that hard. A lot of them, I'm sure, also think they're being funny. Yeah. You know, and it's like, well. I will say though, I'm 5'10", big broad shoulders, and I kind of, I'm lucky, I haven't had a lot of situations where people have tried to take advantage of me, because when you're this tall in this business,

and like, you're a tall dude, but most of the guys in this biz are little pipsqueaks. So a lot of them know that I could put them in a loose headlock and lights out, you know? So I think I physically command a room when I walk in. They're like, okay, we're not gonna fuck with this bitch. And I remove myself from the industry because I live in Atlanta.

I come, I do my thing. I have my friends. I see my folks. I do the gigs and then I get the fuck out of here. And I love LA. I lived here for years. my friends, I see my folks, I do the gigs, and then I get the fuck out of here. And I love LA, I lived here for years, my husband and I met living in New York, we lived in New York, but I enjoy kind of living

not in the biz. Yeah, I really do. Because that way I see it, I leave it, I do my thing, but then I don't have to deal with this bullshit all day. Yeah, right, a little bit? So you're, I learned in your special that you are a golf widow I'm a golf widow. Yeah, so my daddy your daddy. Yeah, well at once upon a time

He was the 11th longest drive hitter in the world. Wait. Yeah. Oh no, did he did he got a long drive in Big Dong? My mom used to say honey your daddy could hang his coat up beside mine I get pregnant Wait, oh my god. How do you feel knowing that your father is an enormous dick? Woo! Yeah. Um, woo! Yeah. Talk about it for the first time.

You don't love it? I don't love it. Okay. Well, you should tell them about the Christmas gift he gave you. So he, he's a dreamer. He's, you know, created his own businesses. And since he, he used to, then he started taking over golf courses and being like, I was the 11th longest drive hitter

in the world. I should like make this golf course better. And he was really good at it. Okay. And that's a very prestigious job. Very prestigious. To run golf courses. People don't know that, but that's a hard gig to get. Exactly.

Then got super sick. Oh, God bless. Oh, God bless. Almost lost his life a few times. Currently laid up in a hospital bed in his living room. Okay. Yeah. So, did he not well?

Wellness check on did he? Not well. Physically unwell. Physically unwell. Self-induced? Definitely like the diet he had, you know, for a long period. Did we lose a leg?

Is it the diabetes flare up or what happened? It's close. We're close to losing toes and legs. Oh God. I know, but they're all wrapped up It's close. We're close to losing toes and legs. Oh God. I know, but they're all wrapped up at my wedding. He had to wear Crocs. Couldn't get nothing over his feet. There's some trauma diving going on right now.

So he was wearing black tie tuxedo and black Crocs. Because daddy's toes were small. Daddy's toes were too small cuz he had the sugars hold on We've all been there Honey, let me tell you what it you know how many people I know in the state of Georgia right now whose toes are swole You know to me we're all doing the best if you don't have gout What are you doing if you don't have gout or toenails about to fall off? You know lived you know you drank too much coca-Cola as a kid, then you ain't living your best life.

You're not. And so he was putting sweet tea in my bottle as a baby. So I put on 45 pounds my freshman year at the University of Mississippi, because every time I was hung over, which was every day of my life, I'd have a giant sweet tea and I didn't realize it was like 40,000 pounds. Oh, God. Yeah. And I would be like tweaking, walking to like biology

and I was like, I feel great. I got the nectar of the gods in me. Yeah, okay. Exactly, exactly. And so he has now, you know, needed something to live for so he has started a new business. Oh, from the bed. From the bed.

I love a work from home entrepreneur. He's remote. Nothing will stop him. He's remote. So COVID made him remote. COVID made him him. He's remote. So, COVID made him remote. COVID made him remote. Not the loss of limbs. COVID made him remote.

We all decided just to reevaluate artworks from home situations. Exactly. Okay. Exactly. So he started this new business and it's basically like, you know, Salt Life. Do I know Salt Life? Do you know guy Harvey? He basically is doing a salt life brand called salt

Boating shirts with some big logo on the back Cuz they had to pay for some medical expenses So he gave me this this shirt from his brand on the back? With the bad leg. Well, he had to sell his boat because they had to pay for some medical expenses. So he gave me this shirt from his brand. It's like all these names of these boats. And you know people name their boats weird shit. Oh, I already have my boat name picked out. What is it?

So my podcast is called Absolutely Not, but I would get it absolutely K-N-O-T, like a nautical knot, absolutely not. Oh, that's good. Yeah, thank you, I thought about that. That's really good. Thank you, okay, continue. Okay, you know, my brother Tony probably knows this better.

He's got yellow comfort color t-shirts. I know they're very soft. So I already know. They are, they are. It's given a dry fit material. I love that. Oh, I love dry fit. Very comfortable.

It's breathable. It's breathable. You know what I love? Breathable. Wicks away moisture. Thank God. You know, he did his research. You know who did his research? Did he?

Cause you know what he was doing? Laid up on the hospital bed and had his computer because he's working remote. He had plenty of time to finger some samples, call some people over in a couple factories abroad. I love that. And he was making everybody hats. What kind of hats? Baseball caps. I'm sorry, like a fitted, like a nice trucker?

Yeah. No, no, he wasn't a new trucker because he thought that truckers were like not. No, it's definitely a.org. And then there's a link to like a child obesity charity that you think he's finagled everybody. You think you're donating to Chubby Kids, but it's actually your buy merch. I don't believe he has a website,

which I feel like is his first mistake in business. And you have six siblings? I do, yeah. So somebody in business. And you have six siblings? I do, yeah. So somebody in the family has to take this upon themselves to run this empire. And unfortunately, I said, does he have a website? My brother put laughing emoji, not yet.

Okay, okay. So we're working on it. And listen, I don't have free time, but I could take this up as my new gig. He also gave you a very beautiful Christmas ornament. Yes, he did. So my dear grandmother passed away two years ago. Thank you very much. His mama?

His mama, Betty Sue, grandmother. Hell yeah. And so for Christmas, he gave me an ornament of her where she's not smiling. And it says, I'm always with you. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Cause I just said that twice.

Y'all owe me $20. Wait, wait, wait. It's a big glass ornament with a picture of her in it. And she's not smiling, and she's always with you. Right before the day she died. I don't know how y'all feel about it, but I don't really have a lot of photos of my dead relatives around the house.

And people get upset about that, but I'm like, they're there, they're on the phone. They're in the heart. Right. I don't need everybody haunting me down. It's the biggest ornament we have. Of course it is. Yeah, it's about this big.

What did you do? What was your reaction when you opened it? Well, first, my brother Jackson was the only one who got one and he sent it in the family group message. The shirt or the ornament? The ornament. Because she was actually sad. Everyone else got a t-shirt but her?

If you had a boat, what would you say on your boat? What would you buy your boat? Oh my God, I haven't thought about it long enough. Okay, well, I'm just saying these are things that you need to know. Well, technically we have a boat. We have a pontoon boat. But it doesn't have a name.

No. Where's your boat? Wisconsin. Oh, Haley, can we talk about Wisconsin? Yeah. You like Wisconsin? I love Wisconsin. You gonna come to the lake house?

I would love to come to the lake house. And as an entrepreneur, as a real estate mogul, I think I need to start getting some land up north. I'm feeling Wisconsin and Michigan moment. We have some perfect lake property we'd love to talk to you about. Really? I'm dead ass. I am trying to get all the cool people I know to buy property on the lake.

Okay, well then sold. Because I keep telling my husband, I'm like, what we need, it's getting warmer. You know what I mean? Also, is the heat on in here? My God, I'm sweating. No, yeah, it's all light. Yeah, I would love to buy something

up on a beautiful lake up there. I like the vibes, it's chill. When it's August in Georgia and it's 140 fucking degrees, I needed something crisp and cool. Middle of September, I was paddle boarding on the lake, it was 80 degrees. Done, I'm sold. And then we were ice skating on winter.

On there. Right, so I don't know if you're a Packer fan. I'm not a Packers fan, but you know what, why not? It's like SC football, SCC football. SC. SC. It's SC football. SCC, SC, SC, SAC, SAC. Yeah, sexy football, it's SE football. SE, SE, SE, SE, SE, SEK? SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SEK, SE God, when I look back at some of the guys I dated at Ole Miss, I'm like, what the fuck was I thinking? It is weird, though.

Like, the guys look the way they do, and the ladies look the way they do. Yeah, it is. It's definitely a huge, like... Yeah. Yeah, they're bred differently, for sure. But how the guys pull that off, you know? So it's our only options.

It's our only options, and... The khakis, and then the, like, the... The flip-flops. The sunglass holders For some reason we all had low self-esteem for a couple years now and now we're it's changing the tides are changing Yeah, cuz when I go back to Ole Miss the guys are hot. They got it together No, these kids also work out now like when I was in college I didn't go to the student fitness center once I was like no, I'm gonna walk to the bar It's different. We didn't really have social media.

Like we had Facebook, but nobody really cared. Like I put on like 63 pounds when you're, people were like, you've never, you're glowing. And I was not. You know what I mean? Freshman 15 like wasn't a thing. No, that was not. I walked in the house at Christmas break

and my mom goes, turn around. I can't look at you. I was like, you're right. It's bad. I didn't know how to blend a smokey eye. I had no eyebrows. So I, but I was thriving. I didn't know any wiser, but like now the kids have no eyebrows. So I, but I was thriving. I didn't know any, any wiser,

but like now the kids have the TikToks. You gotta be hot. You have to be hot. The guys have to be hot. The girls, everybody has to be equal now. Yeah, that is so true. Were you, where'd you grow up? I grew up in Atlanta.

In Atlanta. Yeah, I grew up in Atlanta. And where you go into bars at? Like 11, as sure as your words. As was I. Thank you for bringing up my old habits. No, I had an older sister and she went to Georgia Tech. So I would literally go down to like the fraternity parties and I'm, you know, a sophomore in high school and just got my braids and stuff. But I'm like, my titties are coming in. So I was,

I was lurking at the party. I was the predator. Yeah. Oh my God. We were partying. We would go up to Athens, like all of our friends, older siblings were in Athens. Like we were, oh yeah, we were ranging. So that's when I got to college. I obviously had a good time, but I did, I wasn't one of those kids who like went off the deep end because I was like, guys, I've been doing this. I was like, I showed up with the menthols.

I was like, y'all don't even know what we've been through. Exactly, that's why I feel like I was able to get married and have a baby at 25. Well, technically 20, how old was I when I got pregnant? 24? I don't know, 25? because I was in the bars and partying at 11 years old. So I was like you know I've done that. We've lived the lives. I've lived the lives. I'm tired now. Now I'm ready to settle down at the ripe old age of 16. I'm ready to be a team ride. Exactly. Team mom. I am and I am and you know I feel like we have a mutual hatred for Alabama.

We do, but I love Coach Saban. I do, because I'm gonna tell you, here's the thing. Don't get angry. He's great, and I love his daughter. She's a friend of mine, and I just love, I love Miss Terry, I love them. I made a lot of jokes about them in my special, but it's because it comes out of respect.

So you can't not like the family. But Alabama fans are fucking crazy, and they haunt me, and they say real tight in my comments, I'm like, we haven't played y'all in like three like three years like let it fucking go. What are we doing here? You know, they killed our tree. They did kill your tree tumors corner, right? Yeah. Yeah, and I think that was what they didn't It was just some psycho redneck Alabama fan. I mean in Tuscaloosa's it's not a great town and then they're gonna come for me Why am I saying this? I'm gonna lose an entire Demographic of my of my fans.

But yeah, no, I mean, they came for y'all and it wasn't nice. They killed your tree. They killed our tree. They poisoned our tree. They're slowly destroying our ecosystem. One by one. One Alabama fan at a time.

Well, they weren't good this year. They weren't good. And honestly, I think it's karma and they deserved it. And we were good. And yeah, we choked a big dick at Florida, but we should have been in the playoff I do strongly feel it that way. Yeah. Well, we're never good. Yeah You guys guys came back a little bit

You ever our old coach you do really you got our hand me down. Who's your coach right? Good nut nut nut Who's your no? Who's Auburn coach? No, no War Eagle war Eagle No. No. No. War Eagle, War Eagle. We're not good, so I haven't been watching. Houston Nut, I think you have our old coach.

Can't be Houston Nut. Gotta be, Hugh Freeze. Hugh Freeze, our old coach. Houston Nut. Yeah, sorry, we had Houston Nut, he left. How does he feel with that name? Well, actually we used to have towels. Born to be a coach.

That we called, we called them nut rags, and we would spin them in the stadium. So honestly, great branding and marketing. That's a guy, how do you feel about these NIL deals? I'm definitely an NFL guy over a college football guy. No, no, sorry, the NIL deals. Yeah, them paying the college kids. Oh yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry.

I mean, I'm honestly fine, I'm with it. I'm glad the kids are getting paid. I'm glad the kids are getting paid too. I mean, the NCAA was definitely like organized crime. A lot of rich old men just making a lot of money over athletic kids who couldn't afford lunch or would get in trouble because someone bought them a dinner, it's kinda weird.

I don't have all the answers. I'm sure there's a lot of gaps and I don't know if it's done good for the sport, but whatever. Did you see Baby Girl? I haven't seen Baby Girl yet. Are you waiting for it to get on the streaming? Yeah, I am.

Well, here's the thing, because when I got my neck done, I wasn't really able to leave the house that much. So I had to watch stuff from home. But Baby Girl's on the top of my list, because I love Miss Nicole. Oh, and so do I. And I also love an erotic thriller. Do I love erotica? I'll tell you what, I also love an erotic throat. Oh, do I love erotica? I'll tell you what, I love to listen to erotic books.

Oh, me too! And that's something my Mimi used to do. She used to always read the romance novels. I remember picking one of those up when I was like 10, and I was like, Mimi, this is steamy. Oh my god, yeah. Now he's reading them now. Yeah, well, I have to go in and out because

sometimes I do, in fact, need a break. My clit needs a break. Can I be honest with you? That is, if I ever ran for president, that would be my platform. I'm Heather McMahon running for president and my clit needs a break. Every woman in America does feel like

our clit needs a break sometimes. Sometimes it does. It does, it does, yeah. Yeah, so I do have to take breaks from my erotica books and music and TV shows and movies. Now, when you go to look at porn, what is your... Girl on girl. Girl on...

Oh my God, I don't need to see a dick. Same. Are you kidding me? Wait a minute, I'm so glad we can discuss this. Because you wanna know why it's like, they're both attractive. Exactly. I've never had like a lesbian tris.

It's just, everyone seems pleased. Exactly. Though if I see a sex scene and it's some guy with a barbed wire tattoo who immediately starts like making like skull fucking a girl. I'm literally calling the cops. I'm like, who are these actors? This is not consensual.

Everyone's ugly. I hate them and I report them. I leave a one star review. Exactly. The second hand is on my head. Absolutely not. I'm out. I'm out.

I'm out. Yeah, so girl and girl because I don't need the aggressiveness of the man involved. If everyone's just seeing like their petting some kitty cats and having a good time. I'm like, you know what it is? Okay, I think I just figured it out.

Cause as women were so high strong, we're so overstimulated. It's like you finally see two women relaxing. It's not even anything sexual. It's not like, oh, it's like, I don't want to stare at a vagina. You're just like two women working on their mental health. No, literally. It's watching two women finally take a fucking break.

That is porn for us. Maybe that's why it does nothing for me. Yes, it is. Yes, that's probably why. They seem too relaxed. They seem too relaxed. Now, what's your porn style? I don't wanna talk about it.

Come on. Okay, fine. Spill it. Spill it. I don't know, like, man, woman, you know. Okay, fine. Spill it. Spill it. I don't know. Like man, woman, you know. Not gay shit. They don't worry about that. That's right.

Man, woman, definitely straight sex. Never do that. Never. Two dudes, if I saw two dudes in the same room. Exit. Even if they were just circle jerking, I'd be like, report. Yeah, that's great.

That was just such a great, great response. We felt it. We felt it. We got it. When I found out my husband's born, I was very relieved though. It was kind of like, it was just kind of a little boring. And I was like, oh, that's nice.

It wasn't like stepdaughters, fucking nannies. No, no, absolutely not. No, there was no weird, like, you know. It's the titles that freak me the fuck out. It's the titles. And anytime it's like young, I'm like, whoa, whoa! I go, whoa! How young?

Why are we even saying that? That freaks me the fuck out, no, whoa! I literally type in mature, mature lesbians who both have mortgages on homes. Like that's what I'm looking for. I don't want anything. Fiscally responsible. Fiscally responsible.

Has 401k. Has 401k, above the age of 35 or bust. I absolutely am not, I don't understand this. I mean, people are sick fucks. Sick fucks. Sick fucks. Sometimes when I will like see Nick or catch Nick or maybe he's like, I'm like, oh, let me look some up on Google

Oh my god, it pops up. I'm like read that out loud to me It's like I love to squirt 3000 And then I turn it on cat sitter and it's like yeah, I want you to say it That you wanted to watch the cat sitter squirt across the room. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Wow Like in front of the class. Yeah My favorite thing in the world is to catch my husband jerking off. It brings me so much joy I laugh about it deeply for days. What is his reaction? Is it like a little boy? Just look at him and go yeah, and I walk away and she's with such shame. I literally close I go

Are you for real right now? Sting are you being serious? Are there days where I'm like, I'm home. And I go, I was literally, I'm just like putting up the dishes. You could have fucking texted me. We could have done this together. You know, you just seem like you were stressed out. I would be less stressed if you just fucked me. You know? Yeah. No, there's he has a setup.

I'm working on this whole new bit, but he has a full setup. We're like, he's got like the iPad up, the phone, he's got the lotions, the potions, he's in the chair, the towels adjacent. He's multi streaming. He's multi streaming. Oh my God. You gotta squirt across the floor.

What does he think about while he's eating you out? It's gotta be, I mean, so much. No, he's thinking about Penn State football, period. I know he is. He's so dialed in right now and it's stressful. He's one of those who, like, doesn't have a healthy relationship with sports. Like he thinks he's the coach. He's in playoff football.

He's in playoff football right now. So, yeah, I hope he's re-upped his blood pressure medication, because I'm worried about that. But I'm going to ask him. I'm going to ask him about that. You should ask him to read him out. I am, because he's done a lot of work down there and hasn't really gone up here because the neck's still swollen. Yeah. So I'm going to ask him that. I'm going to text him right after. I am, because he's done a lot of work down there and hasn't really gone up here because the neck's still swollen.

Yeah, yeah. So I'm gonna ask him that. I'm gonna text him right after this. Could you? I would, and I'll report back to you. That would be great. But that is, wow, we really uncovered something there. That women like to watch other women have sex

because they just like to know that they're relaxed. Exactly, it's like a look into therapy session. It really is. And it's like, wow. Yeah, I never, the pizza guy comes over, they're always gross. God, yeah. Why can't there be more attractive men in porn? Why can't there be?

It's always women with the biggest set of titties. Yeah. And then a guy who just looks like he got crawled out from under a subway station. Literally. He's selling meth under the 101. He is. But he has a giant cock.

I don't care. With 14 cock rings around it. We don't care about the giant cock. I could give a fuck. I'm just like, oh, I'm gonna have a UTI for three days. We're really different. Women seeking man. I do feel like male porn star names too

are always something scary that feels like you would contract something. Like it's like Rusty Nails. Yeah, Rusty Donny, Chester. Yeah, I don't like it. Yeah. You know what's nice to click on yeah, I don't like it. Yeah. You know what's nice to click on? Miranda, Miranda and Lindsay.

Oh my God. Have fun on the soccer field. Not the soccer, that's public. I also don't, when people are like, oh, where's the craziest place you had sex? I'm like, where I currently have sex, my mom's house. Like, I don't, I'm not trying to have sex out on the balcony.

That's very, yeah, that's very high school. Like, let's just wait till we get home. Wait till we get home? Yeah. Like, we don't need to do it in this, like, public restroom. Like, that feels dirty. I know my mom could come home from Trader Joe's at any minute. We're already risky, you know? Oh, my God, it's hot.

Yeah, it's not very hot. You don't feel, like, rushed. Oh, no, I do feel hot. I feel rushed. I feel sweaty. I feel stressed. Our daughter was conceived with Nellie's mom there. Okay. Where was she in the home? Sleeping? I believe she was sleeping. Yeah. Our daughter was conceived with Nellie's mom there. Okay, where was she in the home? Sleeping? I believe she was sleeping.

Okay. Or maybe she wasn't sleeping. Maybe she was just in the bedroom next door. Cheering you guys on. Maybe she was watching girl on girl on girl. Yeah. Who knows honestly what she was doing. But yeah, she was conceived that night and-

That's a beautiful thing. Thank you. That's really great. Yeah, yeah. I'm glad that we have the memory of when she was conceived. I feel like maybe it'd be a little bit more confusing if it was maybe every day.

Oh, I need, Nick needs to step up. You know, it's like I'm in the kitchen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I hear you. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you have a beautiful baby. Thank you.

And I might need an egg. So if you guys get, if you're ever, if you like get done, you know what I mean? Cause you're young, you have a beautiful baby. Thank you. And I might need an egg. So if you guys could, if you're ever, if you like get done, you know what I mean? Cause you're young, you've got great genes. I would, I would really love an egg maybe, possibly. I would love to give you an egg. I'm probably gonna have to do like another round of egg freezing IVF and stuff.

And I just don't have it in me right now. Yeah. I've been a little busy and I'm tired and I'm very bloated. So I might need, you know, you're young and youthful. Happy to. We're already kindred spirits. Exactly.

So I'm just saying. We could do it. Yeah. You don't have to be a part of it or you can. I got the sense of like, why are you inviting yourself now? Yeah. Have you ever, has like swinging ever entered your relationship?

Like a thought? Say that again. Swinging. No, and I'll tell you why. If I was gonna have a threesome, I wouldn't swing. I don't wanna swing with another couple. It's too much. If I was gonna have a threesome. I wouldn't swing. I don't want to swing with another couple It's too it's a threesome. I'm on the Lido deck on a cruise. I will never see these people again. Yeah, okay Yeah, I'm also not gonna try to be between two men. Oh absolutely

So I'm gonna get I'm gonna get like just pit-roasted like I don't know I don't want to I have enough holes, but I don't want more dick slapping me in the face I don't want that our virus with another woman, I might get a little jealous as she's getting more attention. I just feel like the math is not mathing there. And I don't ever want to swing because women, we all talk about our husbands, our boyfriends, our partners, whatever.

You know, like if one of my girlfriends, we're all in a group chat. One of my girlfriend's husband has hemorrhoids. We know about it. She's like, god damn it, Mark woke up with the hemorrhoids and he's being a fucking asshole. Yeah, so I know too much about these people, even if they're attractive, I'm not trying to fuck any of my friends' spouses. No, I'm like, okay, Dan had

diarrhea for four days. You know, I'm like, I'm good, I know too much. I'm good. I don't look at any of these people in a sexual light. All very attractive, but I'm good. Wow. Would you ever want to swing? No, I think for that exact reason. You know, I just feel like close confidant is probably not the route to take. Um, let's just recap. I came in upset about my dad father. Then I told you I had my neck done. Now we're talking about our board, catching our spouses jerking off. Well, you know what?

I don't want to seem like an old lady. Maybe I should put that out there. Maybe I add that to my vision board. Anybody would like to have a threesome. Just let me know. It's probably, I probably won't respond to the DM, but Anybody would like to have a threesome, just let me know. I probably won't respond to the DM, but I just like to know that people want me.

You know what I mean? 2025 right next to the green juice, right next to the Pilates board. All that, just let me know if you'd ever consider fucking me. I would really, I just need that. I just wanna fill my spirit with that level of confidence. Okay, perfect.

Great, great. Heather, you're awesome. You guys are great. Thank you for having me. We love you so much. This was a lot of fun. I really,. Great, great. Heather, you're awesome. You guys are great. Thank you for having me. We love you so much. This was a lot of fun. So much fun. I love you all.

Love you. Anytime. We're here to promote everything you're doing. Yeah, I got a tour coming up. Get your tickets at heatherandtour.com. It's the Bamboozle Tour. And I got a podcast and you know, I don't know. What's the name of the podcast?

Absolutely not. Thank God. Okay, I think I said it five times, so I think somebody's gotta pay me money for that. So yeah. Okay. But yeah, check the podcast out and come see me on the road. Can we come see you on the road? Absolutely. Okay. I'll give you tickets to the LA show. All right. Well, be sure to check out all of the great stuff Heather is doing. We appreciate Heather coming on. Also, thank you to

Emily Baker, who also joined us as well. We will see you back on Thursday. Bye.