The Viall Files - E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions

Episode Date: January 9, 2025

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Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host Nick. We got the household here. Obviously I think we should start this episode by acknowledging these terrible fires that we have here in LA. It's affecting, I mean, we got Sierra's living in a hotel right now and thousands of homes sadly have been burned down. It's crazy. The skies here in Los Angeles are full of smoke burned down. It's crazy, the skies here now in Los Angeles are full of smoke and clouds. It's a very terrifying situation. Thankfully, we are okay right now

and the rest of the household seems to be okay, but it's a very scary situation. And obviously our thoughts and prayers go out to everyone. Scary situation. It is very scary. It is 0% contained as of this morning and it just keeps going and going and more fires keep starting and all of PCH basically was on fire last night. The Palisades Village is completely burned to the ground. It's very sad. It's like, I just, it's

I can't believe it's real. I mean, it's just, it's heartbreaking. it's real. I mean, it's just, it's heartbreaking. Yeah, I mean, it's, I've lived in LA for, what, 10, 11 years now or something like that. There's been a couple years where there's been like days where it's just like, holy shit, there's a lot of fires. This seems to be worse than I can remember. It's also very close to home. Like, I was staring outside my hotel window and I could see the mountains over Burbank catching on fire and it's just kind of- When did you have to leave? Like what?

My power was out since 8 a.m. yesterday. So after work when I got home around like five or six and realizing we still have no power and I need wifi and food and whatnot. So we packed up our car, our dog and we were now staying in a hotel. For how long, do you know? Last update that we got about power said 24 to 48 hours,

so I'll be staying there again tonight and possibly tomorrow night. Okay. I don't think this is a normal fire season either, like this is clearly. We usually get Santa Ana winds at the end of August, September, and that's usually when our fire season is.

This is very unique for it to be happening in January but I've never even seen winds in California going 60, 80, 100 miles an hour. Oh, it was crazy last night. Yeah, they couldn't drop any water on the fires last night because they literally couldn't get any like planes up because the wind was awful. Couldn't fly helicopters, couldn't do planes at night. Yeah, it's a terrible situation. The fire just raged all night.

Well, obviously we are thinking of all those affected, you know, whatever you can do to support. Also I think it's, people are doing a very good job of evacuating when our officials say that their area needs to evacuate and I am just, I'm grateful that people are listening to officials when they say to evacuate and I just think continue until, you know,

this is contained. I know. It's sad. It is sad. There's no way to segue from that, obviously. No way to segue from that. So anyways, we'll kick off the show now. I haven't eaten in 36 hours, so that's fun. I'm starting, I started a water fast.

I'm not recommending it to anyone. This is not some sort of do this with me, but it is a, are you, what? Whatever, whatever. I have a question. I'm raising are you, what? Whatever, whatever. I have a question. What? I'm raising my hand, why?

It's supposed to be really healthy for you. It's supposed to like decrease your chance of cancer. It's supposed to be really good for like inflammation. It's supposed to be good for like decreasing your chance of like Alzheimer's and things like that. It just has a lot of, you know, health benefits to like occasionally fast. And how long does this last?

My mom did it first. I think the original one is like 80 some hours. I'm also suffering because he's been nothing but a bitch this whole time to me. That's not true. I was gonna ask. He's the hangriest person I've ever been around. He's so mad, he's so angry.

And I'm like, you can stop whenever you fucking want. I'm like, I'm not gonna stop. I'm not gonna stop. I'm not gonna stop. I'm not gonna stop. I'm not gonna stop. I'm not gonna stop. I'm not gonna stop. I'm not gonna stop. I'm not gonna stop. I I was gonna ask. He's the hangriest person I've ever been around. He's so mad, he's so angry. And I'm like, you can stop whenever you fucking want.

Last night in bed, I'm like, do you want me to boil you some eggs? Because this is insane. Like you are being mean to me. Not even fussy, just mean. Just mean. And it's because you're hungry. And I understand I would also be mean

because I am mean when I'm hungry, but this is like intense hunger. Like yeah, you really don't have to do this. You really don't. And then he keeps complaining and I'm like, you can't complain when this was your, you're doing it to yourself. It was a tough first night. It was a tough first night and I was fine.

It sounds like it was your second night. And then I'm clearly still eating, you know, like I have to feed River, like make, so then I'm eating, Nick's the cook of the family, I can't cook for shit, so like I'm also suffering because I'm not eating good food. Like last night I- You had a very nice meal. Yes, I made River some pasta with some sauce and some broccoli and so I had pasta. Not pasta? Broccoli.

I had pasta last night too. You know, it was very easy to cook pasta and pour some sauce over it. You have a figure of a less name other than than mean so it's less quotable for like Nick was mean to me over a hunger fast Nick vile Grumpy grumpy just saying over I'm fine with angry you are you're very angry breaking news Nick is hangry me mean and hangry are two completely different headlines. Page six reports.

Yeah, you're hangry. Nick Vile, hangry after days long water fast, by his choice. Incredibly. Water fast. Very, very hangry. Like the most hangry I've ever seen anyone to walk the planet Earth. I'm delightful right now.

That's why I'm shocked. That's why I'm like, of course it's happening at home. Last night sucked hard. I, I know nothing. Just water. No substances, no nothing. Was it because you could smell like food being cooked and you were like angry? No, like they said like that first 24 hours, it's tough. No substances, no nothing. Was it because you could smell food being cooked and you were angry you couldn't partake?

They said that first 24 hours, it's tough. Honestly at times I felt like, oh, you know, and I felt really weak and tired. It was like 7.30, I'm like, can we go to bed? I do feel like I was a good wife when I did make myself a cup of coffee yesterday morning and you asked how was it and I said it was awful. She did, yeah. So.

You're not missing a thing. Yeah. You know, it's a fasting supposed to be good. I needed a cleanse. I've been really eating way too much sugar lately these days and I think my diet has relatively been not like where I feel like it could be or should be. It's the new year.

I figured, fuck it, let's try it. If my mom can do it, why can't I? You know? Did you finish those candies I bought you? Oh my God. I fucking crushed those. They finish those candies I bought you? Oh my God. I fucking crushed those. They're gone? Are there more?

I finished those like, I had to make myself, I had to make myself save the second pack. The two containers, they're gone. The first one was gone before I got home. The second one, I was like, I'll wait till tomorrow to finish it. And then I just crushed them. Was that the-

Am I supposed to- They are hard to find. And each container. Are you offended that I didn't preserve them? I was just like, just so you know, if they're gone, they're kind of gone. But also, Justin, what should piss you off even more about him eating those is that he doesn't suck on them. He just immediately chews them up.

I do that too. So like there is no savor of anything. Once the sour is gone, you have to. It's the same with cough drops, which I feel like defeats the purpose of a cough drop. Thank you, because the lozenge is while you suck it and you swallow. I haven't eaten in 36 hours, you guys are just trashing me.

I think you're in your Gwyneth Paltrow era and I'm here for it. Oh my God. You're in your bone broth era. This is a temporary fast. Do not take my health recommendations. I'm doing this for me. I don't need feedback from any of you listening.

You know you're gonna get me bad. Good or bad. Hey, hey, hey, you in the comments. Let us know what you think about Nick's fast. And how he's doing it wrong. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah. Anyways, Nikki Glaser, once again, crushing life.

What a change of pace from last year after Jolkoy. Yeah, bombed. I wonder how he's feeling after seeing Nikki Glaser get the job. He shouldn't. I mean, it was a week of people just being like, that was the worst Golden Globes I've ever saw. He threw his entire writing staff under the bus and just expected the room to be with him.

It's like this, eh. Yeah, it was crazy. Anyways, Nikki crushed, everyone can't stop talking about it. She just signed a three-year deal with the Golden Globes. Let's go. I think she actually signed a three-year deal before she hosted and how it worked.

Like I bet, Joe, I bet he also signed a three-year deal. No, that's how, you know, actually interesting enough for the story we use. That's how they signed like a deal being like the networks or whatever. Do you want to start that over? Yeah, what are you saying? You started like five sentences

and didn't finish one of them. He's got fluid in his brain. Give him a break. I know. It's like a little whiplash. No, I think she already signed a three year deal before she hosted the first time. I think that's how they in his brain. Give him a break. I know. It's like a little whiplash. I guess, no, I think she already signed a three year deal before she hosted the first time. I think that's how they normally do it.

Networx, for example, they have, you know, if they're gonna let Nikki Glaser host, you know, it's like, hey, we'll give you a shot. If you do well, we will new you. I think she, it was reported she made like $400,000, $300,000 this year. Next two seasons, she'll make drastically more. So it's like, do a good job here,

and now I think she has signed on for two more seasons. Well, Deadline specifically said, Nikki was paid a bit more than 400,000 for her inaugural Gold's hosting stint. That fee will rise significantly, a well-placed source says, if and when Glazier comes back to host the 83rd annual Golden Globes for the third year

and the five-year deal the Golden Globes has with CBS. Interesting, yeah, so I think it's like you sign a deal and they have like renewal options. Right, I gotta say that, like Nikki did great, but I do have to say CBS could maybe do a little bit better job on the stream next year, that's all. I was wondering why their angles of the presenters was so off.

It was weird and then also instead of showing clips from like the actual work that they did that got nominated, they decided to do like live location tags of everyone. Like I don't need to know where their like air tag is. Did you guys also feel like it seemed like some of the presenters when they went up there, like the producer said, just be weird, say weird shit. They kind of felt like they were all doing it.

They always have a weird bit of like, what are you doing here? No, but what are you doing? Yeah, but they've done those before and they seem to have land more in the past and the solve of all that was this more What is going on? I just think NBC knows how to have a live event and CBS Sorry Sorry, is this a live? Okay That's just NBC You know where to find me. Well, Justin Baldoni's lawyer leaked a voice memo yesterday.

As much as y'all want us to stop talking about this, I also want to stop talking about it, just to let everyone know, but unfortunately it is just. He keeps running his mouth. Yeah, they're just, his lawyer keeps yapping. His lawyer's out there fighting the fight in the court of public opinion. So, you know, we really, we cover the headline.

Yeah, so anyways, his lawyer released a voice memo and it's Justin talking about the night of the premiere and in his very soft voice and his very kind of, he's talking about how he was put in a basement. Is he having a conversation with someone or is this just like- It's unclear, it's exclusively Justin Baldoni speaking to what he called his dream team lamenting the fact that he was put in the basement on the premiere of his own movie, he says, per Blake's

demands. Could have been one of the most beautiful nights of my life career-wise. I literally was sent to the basement with all my friends and family for over an hour. I wasn't allowed to be seen. She didn't want me anywhere near her the rest of the cast you can start laughing how do we know he didn't do this this morning well yeah you know sent a voice note to somebody they're just playing some recording that he recorded at some point in his life one day there's like no fucking time there's no proof of when that was and it's like she held you hostage in a basement,

tied your arms around a pole with zip ties and was like, do not leave this basement or I will kill you. Like that just does not seem. My movie premiere got taken away from me and I had to go to the basement. That's what he sounds like. Also why didn't Blake and the rest of the cast

want you by them for the premiere? I think those are just questions people aren't asking. I also have a question about voice notes in general. When you send one, doesn't it usually disappear unless somebody keeps the voice note? Correct, yes, yeah. So why would they keep this voice note? I will say I keep voice notes.

Sure, some people keep them. Just for every voice note. For funsies. Yeah, some people keep them. But yeah, I mean, listen, you're right. Like either way, I think to your point, Lea, it's just like, you know, his team's talked about releasing a bunch of messages potentially. I am, like I said, I said this on Tuesday.

I'm certain that most of the stuff that Justin Sands are out there sounds lovely and very nice. You see him talking in this voice memo and he's got this soft voice. Oh my God. And he calls himself an artist. I honestly believe that he probably, who knows what, I don't even know what I'm saying. Are you trying to say that he believes that this is true?

I don't know if Justin believes his version of the story. I think he has a God complex. I think a lot of the times when in situations like these both parties completely believe they're the narrative that they're spinning and the truth often usually lies somewhere in the middle. Obviously every single situation is different but reality versus perspective are two different things and I think his perspective to him is absolutely correct. Yeah I'm sure he thinks that. Yeah. But yeah. I'm sure he thinks that. Yeah.

But yeah, I mean, what are some of the other things that are people who are defending Justin saying? I mean, I know a lot of people are resurfacing like old promotional assets, like movie posters and like digital media posts that basically saying, like pointing out the fact that Justin's not in the photos. Well, that's ultimately a Sony decision. And maybe people are out there saying, well, Blake influenced them, but ultimately like pointing out the fact that Justin's not in the photos. Well, that's ultimately a Sony decision. And maybe people are out there saying, well, Blake influenced them, but ultimately again,

Sony's making that decision. And I guess my response to that is, again, if these accusations about Justin's behavior are true, what would you do? Like, how would you respond? How would you handle it? I would separate myself from him. I think with the lawsuit in general,

like everybody has opinions and people are voicing their opinions and at the end of the day, we're all just gonna have to wait to see how this plays out because from my perspective at least, I'm not gonna be sold on text messages and screenshots because there are also so many conversations that happened outside of those. And so I think that it's gonna be years before any,

I think both sides think that they're right and it's gonna be years before anybody gets to the bottom of this and like people have their opinions, but it's really just gonna be like, I don't know, we need to be patient and like really watch how this plays out. I'm gonna need something more than like a voice note that's already like what's being said in the voice note

was already released in the lawsuit or the complaint that I'm like, this is not like new evidence. You're just trying to grasp at straws to like pull at heartstrings. But I'm like, that's not a conversation that's being had. It's a voice note that you recorded. I've been seeing a lot of people comment specifically on the pumping text message.

Yeah. And how like, that's a slam dunk. And I'm like, in what world is one text message from Blake saying that you can come into her trailer while she's pumping a slam dunk? It's like, I wanna set the stage for the people who think that's a slam dunk. Like you start working at a dentist office

and you're the receptionist and you have to, you know, you just had a baby, you have to keep going to the break room every so often to pump for 20 minutes, and the head dentist is a man, and you're trying to build that rapport, you're trying to stay professional, maybe he needs to come into the break room, you're like, oh sure, come on in, I'm just pumping,

it's fine, I'm covered, whatever, come on in. He comes in, and then from then on out, he just starts coming in without asking you. He doesn't even knock anymore. Now he's like sitting in front. He's like starts to make you feel uncomfortable and awkward. And now you're like, OK, well, I was like, OK, with it that one time when I invited you. But now, like, it's getting really fucking weird. And like you just keep showing up and you won't leave the room. And I have to take these pumps off

and my nipple might show. No one's, there's just, I just don't understand. It happened one time. We have proof of her inviting him in her trailer one time while she's pumping. And people are like, oh my God, see, she's a fucking liar. He never overstepped any boundaries. Wasn't it the accusation more about breastfeeding than pumping?

In Blake's it was breastfeeding. Yeah. Which are two completely different things. You can, I mean, as someone who, you know, whose wife just had a baby, it was pumping. You can wear a sports bra and put the pumps underneath and a chunky sweater. And like, you wouldn't even know anything's going on other than hearing a once in a while, like you can do it pretty discreetly. Breastfeeding much different, you know?

Yeah. And so, yeah, they're not even the same, but Nali made a great, great point. We're not saying that Justin, that this happened, but we're just saying that it is possible that this happened. And like, I mean, I pump at work and like, if I'm all set up and everything is like good and I'm covered, it's like, sure, somebody can come in and I'll text somebody, yeah, come in, let's talk, let's have a conversation.

I do that with Sierra and Allison and all the time. I'm just like, okay, yeah, I'm set up, come in. I couldn't imagine if one time you were like, yeah, I'm pumping is cool. And then going forward, every time someone's like, yeah, Leia's pumping in the other room, I just walked in without ever just checking in or knocking on the door. It's the same's like, yeah, Leigh is pumping in the other room. I just walked in without ever just checking in or knocking on the door.

It's the same as like, yeah, like someone's, door's closed, you knock, oh, you can come in, the next time it's closed, you're just like, I don't need to knock this time. We're comfortable, yeah. I don't know, I mean, I think obviously people who are supporting Justin are gonna support Justin, you know, I don't think their opinions are gonna be swayed,

just like my opinion of Justin is not gonna be swayed. You're absolutely right. But if you're having a hard time even considering Blake's allegations, like I'm just more back to like Emily said, just ask the questions, like what's the motivation? A lot of people are speculating, oh, the motivation is she wanted to take over the project

and then secure her rights to like doing the other movies. That's just like fan theory as far as I know. Is there any been reports that Blake had any interest in doing that? I know Justin on the red carpet, like there's certainly no information. There are a lot of rumors about in the way that like every single situation in Hollywood just turns into like a massive pile of rumors about whatever is going on. I think the most interesting thing about this case from like a public perspective is honestly, Bethany Frankel had a TikTok about it where she was like- Bethany Frankel is the same lawyer as Justin Balgoni.

She does. She was like, it is very, there are two different cases going on. There is the case the lawyers are fighting. Sure. There's the, and there's the case the publicists are fighting in the public opinion. I think public opinion is really what's like

the core of this as far as the legal battle is gonna go one way. Justin's lawyer is doing every talk show imaginable, and his also client, Bethany, is out there giving commentary on this. Well, Bethany's giving commentary on everything. And wasn't he Megyn Kelly's attorney at one point? I don't know.

It's like he's reaching out to all of his clients being like let's use your platform. I don't know if he was. He is definitely like a media trained lawyer. He's a media lawyer, yeah. I just think it's interesting. It seems like the other side's handling it very differently. It is usually the people who are more loud

who try to like prove their right, you know? It's like the people who are more loud, who try to like prove their right, you know? It's like the people who are like, I'm just gonna sit back and like do all this shit like the right fucking way. And I don't know, that's the people I have more respect for. And he like, I don't, it's just, he just is like, I don't know what happened. Obviously I wasn't there, but it's like,

he is just continuing to take down the woman, which is like everything he stands against. The PR narrative of this case is that Justin's team is claiming that by the New York Times publishing this lawsuit, that Blake is in turn like enacting a public smear campaign against him. So it's literally just him accusing her of doing the exact same thing she did, like he did to her. He's flipping it. It just kind of doesn't make any sense.

I guess my question would be, Ryan is a billionaire. Blake is... Well, I don't think he is. They have a lot of money. A lot of money. A lot of money and power and influence. That I'm like, the buzz about all of this has died down and she still filed a case against him. She doesn't need the money. She doesn't need to win something over in the court of public opinion. So I'm like, she clearly feels passionate enough to go forward with filing a complaint

against him based off of just, I feel like, the moral corruptness of what happened on that set. And Justin's co-host, Liz Plank, friend of show, we've had her on, one of my first guests a long time ago, she again unfollowed him, publicly removed herself from the show. And I think it's really interesting when you think about it, again, Justin's whole platform,

presumably is about again, highlighting and using your privilege as a man to uplift and spotlight women. But when you look at it, it was Liz Plank who did that for Justin. In fact, she has been in the driver's seat. She has a great book called The Further Love of Man. She talks a lot about positive masculinity

and things like that. And so when she started the podcast with Justin, it was her who gave Justin a lot of the credibility in this space that he made his entire brand about, and now she is separating herself from him. And then you look at it, it's just like, well, what women has Justin elevated? Liz elevated Justin.

What specific women has he elevated? We don't know shit about his wife. We don't know anything about his wife. Maybe that's a personal preference on her end, but like. Maybe she wants to lay low, but it seems weird. I don't even know if she's been a guest on his podcast. You know, it's just, I don't know. It always seems a bit off.

And that's, again, I've met him, I had him on the show. I had an opinion based off of my interaction with him. It felt disingenuous, just an opinion, but this all kind of tracks. What doesn't track is I just, to everyone, like Sierra and Natalie and everyone in the room are suggesting, it's just like, again, you have to assume Blake, a mother of four

who just had her fourth child is picking or choosing the messiest possible way to fight this battle when history has shown us that Ryan and Blake have been pretty private, pretty unproblematic, pretty low key and for a producer credit, you know? And again, like even if Blake was difficult. An executive producer credit,

which is like everyone knows is kind of just like. Meaningless? Meaningless, yeah. Yeah, producer credit, which is like, everyone knows is kind of just like. Meaningless? Meaningless, yeah. It just doesn't add up, you know? So we'll see as always, but you know, he came out with the leaked voice note. I know a lot of people are like, what about this? Here we are addressing it.

Thank you. Our opinions haven't changed. That's not for me, if y'all were wondering, but probably aren't. Just ask yourself common sense questions, I feel like. But anyways. Other things that I am not a fan of would be Alison Holker writing a tell-all memoir

about her husband, Twitch. This is a tough story. We had Alison on about a year ago. We've met her a couple of times. Lovely person, nothing but nice. But this story broke. It's the cover of People Magazine. It's a picture of her, kind of glamor shot,

and then this kind of dark black and white picture of her deceased husband, Twitch. He was hiding so much. Addiction, depression, childhood abuse. Maybe I just feel personally about this, but I'm like, yes, it's your husband, but I don't feel like that's your information to share. It's one thing if you wanna write a memoir about your life

and your interaction with him, but like exposing him post death of addiction and abuse, I feel like that's just, it makes me feel. It's icky. Yeah. Yeah, it's. It also says on the cover of People Magazine, after the beloved Ellen DeGeneres show star died by suicide in 2022,

Holker discovered he was battling scary demons. How she navigated her shock and grief, protected their three kids, and is healing with a new love. Babe, if I die and you find some mushrooms in a plastic bag, can you just let it go? Yeah, I probably don't feel like I need River to read that in a magazine one day. Right.

Yeah. It's a tough book. I don't know what her motives are. It's one thing to know that like your father struggled with mental illness and sadly committed suicide. And then it's another to like have your mom air out that he was like addicted to drugs and she found all these drugs in the closet

and like all of his scary demons she's airing out. That should be his choice and he's not here to say so. Yeah. Who is Courtney Ann Platt? She's a dancer. She's calling out Alison Hol That should be his choice and he's not here to say so. Yeah. Leia, can you look, who's Courtney Ann Platt? She's a dancer. She's calling out Alison Holker over classless interview and memoir. So yeah, she posted Alison's post, the People Magazine.

She writes, anyone who knows me knows I go straight to the source during a conflict and handle my business, but since there's clearly no shame in being so public, I haven't said a word in two years, but here I go. I was there the moment you both connected, I was there the day you got engaged, I stood by your side on your wedding day. So clearly this is a close friend of Allison and Twitch.

It's a very long message, but the one I find most surprising, I don't know if it's true, but she's saying that Allison made Twitch's entire family, including Twitch's mom, sign an NDA to attend his funeral. I don't know how you... How do you look a mother in her eyes after her son has just died and say,

you can come in, but first sign this agreement, and you can't talk about it. And then you publish a book about it. Cause she doesn't want anybody to be able to refute what's in the book. Yeah, but like... It's just weird and sad. It's really sad, and obviously it's a touch and sad. It's really sad and obviously it's

a touchy subject. Like I've never been in this position, you know, and it's like, I don't know how I would navigate it. I don't think this is the way I would navigate it, but I obviously can't speak until I'm in that position, but it does. And she was very lovely when we met her and she's been through so much. She's got these young kids. There is just something about this that feels wrong. And I just know that I wouldn't want River to have to read about her dad. Yeah, I think she's out there saying she wants to help people and she wants to spread awareness and yeah, I guess, but at what cost, you know, like I, I don't know if it's coming from a place of wanting to like a hero complex or I don't know,

or maybe she's convincing herself for that, but again, like at what cost? At the memory of your husband who has passed and your children who wanna have a good memory of their father? I think there's other ways to, I don't even know what message she's. I mean, he like wrote in his journal

about like things that happened to him as a kid. She's sharing that. And she she's talking about that in this, which feels wrong also. The gross thing is how he died. Everybody has a very positive outlook when it comes to Twitch. He was a really great TV personality on the Ellen Show. He brought smiles to people's faces.

It was very shocking as to how he passed and to add this to his name and this is what he's gonna be remembered for. Like that to me just rubs me the wrong way entirely. And I think it's very disrespectful to her ex-husband or to her past husband. This has been out for a day and it's still all over Instagram.

And usually when you get a bad reaction, you like start, you turn off comments and the comments are out there and people are commenting and it's- I imagine she is doing what feels right to her. Yeah. For sure. You know? So- Which is, you know-

It's weird, because we know her and we had a lovely interaction and it's just like, had I not had the benefit of knowing Allison and getting to know her, I think my reaction would be far more harsh and far more like just shocked. And now I'm just trying to like connect the dots between like the person I got to meet

and versus like, wow, you know, and I agree with you. I think her intentions, I'm sure are, I hope, I don't know. It's weird, it's weird. Yeah, it makes me feel weird. At best tacky. Yeah. To quote Courtney, this is by far the most tacky, classless, opportunistic act I've ever seen

in my entire life. And the fact that the entire, anybody who attended his funeral had to sign an NDA including her. That's the real life. His brother also spoke out. Do we have that quote? Oh, what are you saying?

Twitch's brother, Dre, shared Courtney's post to his Instagram story, adding, no lies told. Oh, okay. So he just confirmed Courtney's post to his Instagram story, adding, no lies told. Oh, okay, so he just confirmed Courtney's message. He also reposted an Instagram story by Katie Paulson, who called Allison, quote, a disgrace and despicable human to do this to a grieving family. So that comes from Twitch's brother.

Wow, wow. I feel like it maybe is hurting more than helping more. I don't know. And it just kind of feels icky, because obviously, I mean mean she's monetizing the memoir. It's not like she's... Yeah and the book just came it just it feels like... I don't know. It's a tough story. The most cynical view of it is that she's using her husband's suicide and addiction

to sell her book. Because I know who twitch is. I don't know who Alison Holzer is. I've never heard of her before today. I mean, she was on Dancing with the Stars and had a very great, or has a great dancing career. There's a variety of dance competition shows on network television. I think she's been on a few of them. She's successful outside of her.

Yeah, she is very successful outside of her show. I mean, Twitch was definitely more famous and she was most known for being Twitch's wife, but she has her own individual very successful career. Speaking of potentially tacky, which I don't think so. Lindsay Hubbard is responding to accusations that her birthing announcement, well, not even birthing announcement, her pregnancy announcement. She monetized it, had a little campaign and people are upset about that.

So fucking weird. It's like you use the clear blue digital test anyways. Yeah. Like just tell people about it. They didn't have to pay her to go to the store and get the one good digital test anyways. Yeah, like just tell people about it. They didn't have to pay her to go to the store and get the one good digital test at the store. Not the same as like making like your eight and nine and seven year old do a bunch of skits

so you can be like influencer parents and YouTube parents. This is like a little. If you get paid for taking a pregnancy test, Great. Why not? Please. If my mom said she did that, I would've been like,

hell yeah, put that on my college tuition. Like, let's go for it. All she did was post a photo of her pregnancy test where I'm like, I would do a lot more for a lot less, and she got $100,000 for that. Come on now. Not specifically for that, so she got over $100,000 for like a year of partnerships.

Copy that. Centered around her pregnancy. Which, yeah, good for her. Get it. It's so weird when people are like, how dare you make money off influencing? And it's like, I mean, how would you do it for a free clear blue test?

Listen, listen, you know, people are very sensitive around kids. I mean, Nellie and I continue to have conversations about like how much or how little should we share about River. It's just like now we're more like posting the back of our head and stuff. And sure, we still, you know, it's like we don't know the right answers.

We're cognizant of it. There's obviously a lot of opinions out there. I think that's where it comes from. We have strong opinions about like, we know what it's like to record an ad, or we know what it's like to record content. We know what it's like to have to ad or we know what it's like to record content. We know what it's like to have to do it over and over and over again.

So every time we see like parent influencers and like young kids or like teenage kids, like playing or- Lip syncing or something. Lip syncing, it's like, you know that took so many tries. You know that took so many takes. You know what I'm saying? Or you have to be like, no, it's not take it,

it's take that, okay? So try that, okay? And that's our opinion, but other people might disagree. But you know, I, it's not take it, it's take that. Okay, so try that, okay. And that's our opinion, but other people might disagree. But I think it comes from a place of parents and kids, and there's just a lot of, I think, strong feelings in that department. But pop off, Lindsay Hubbard, get your pregnancy money. Amen, I just, I think-

Especially pregnancy. I think it's weird that people care so much about how somebody's making money if it's not hurting anybody. Like why is this, whether she's making a brand deal for shoes or pregnancy tests, why do you care? She's like, she's all she is. Monetize the moment. That's like the same thing as like, let's say they're advertising for like maternity clothes,

and one of the models is a pregnant woman because she's modeling maternity clothes. And you're like, how dare you do that? You're exploiting your baby. You don't want to see an actual pregnant woman modeling these clothes. Like, I would much rather see, know that the pregnancy test works. Or like an actual pregnant woman and not someone with a pillow shoved in there.

And I will say. Yeah, like in Glee. I will say, as someone who's been, whose wife showed him a pregnancy test when we had River, the two lines, they're nice. They're nice. They are nice. Would you rather them be electronic?

But that one that says pregnant, that hits home. You're like. You don't even have to think about it. You're like, they're nice. They are nice. Would you rather them be electronic? But that one that says pregnant, that hits home. You're like, is it? I don't know. Like the pregnant, it's like the thing, it's kind of like a COVID test. It's like, I think maybe I got it. I don't know. But the other one, pregnant, you're like, holy shit.

I think you're pregnant. It's all caps. It's all caps. And guess what? We're talking about it. The ad's working. The ad show's working. Clear blue? I'll be trying in. The ad's working. The ad's working. Clear blue?

I'll be trying in the next year, maybe. We'll be circling back for sure. Clear blue, I am not the girl for you. So, Jennifer Aiden is cut from... She got fired? She got fired. From the cruise? After her jersey mic's outburst.

Yeah, well basically Andy Cohen came out and he basically was like, look, this is a situation, this is me paraphrasing, where you just listen to the video before you post it. Like think about it, think what might have an effect on the world, what are you going to get from it? He said, I stand with that oil and vinegar and seasoning mix. Exactly. And then basically like there was a New Jersey fans at sea cruise that was gonna happen with Teresa Giudice, Jennifer Aiden and Dolores from New Jersey and she was removed from it. A representative spoke out saying that they made adjustments in order to keep the cruise enjoyable

and welcoming for all guests, their priorities to create a drama free, fun filled experience for everyone. They insisted the decision was neither personal nor an act of canceling anyone as they believe in a second chance and personal growth. Okay. Well, I don't know if you can say you believe in second chances when you're firing someone

for their first offense of being, you know, so it's a little like, well, it would make more sense to say that if like you kept her and people were like, how dare you keep her? And they're like, well, we believe in second chances, but they're like, she's fired, but like, hope she's well. It's a preemptive second chance because while they may remove her from this opportunity, I don't think she is blacklisted

from Bravo opportunities, you know? Has anyone on Jennifer Aiden's camp said anything? No. She hasn't said anything? She hasn't been like, my bad, got a little overheated, a little overreacted, you know? I don't know. My take on this is if Jennifer Aiden cannot do Housewives duties because of beef with

Jersey Mike's employees, Jen Shaw should never be allowed on television again. Okay. I will say Jennifer Aiden is the only New Jersey Housewife making headlines right now. Besides Melissa Gorgas. So we should be grateful. Well, Melissa Gorgas selling sprinkle cookies and Jennifer's making headlines for being a Housewife. Okay. After all the holiday spending,

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What's the big controversy? I don't understand. I was telling you about this. What's the big controversy? I don't understand. I was telling you about this. Oh. Basically. Sorry. Not everybody, but just to save Leia. I'm sorry, again, guys, I haven't eaten.

He's also wearing socks with a big ass Aaron Rodgers face on him that he, Aaron keeps staring at me on the sock. So. Oh, is that good? Yeah. That's so scary. Is that what he looks like?

Kinda scary. That's so scary. So basically, he looks like? Kinda scary. That's so scary. So basically, Brittany NH on TikTok, she posted a video of her kid who got a Christmas gift card to Walmart and they went to Walmart and the kid decided to buy a rotisserie chicken. Love.

Which most people, most people are positively reacting to this being like relatable. She knows her priorities, like good for her. Good food. But then there's also the others. I'll tell you what, as someone who hasn't eaten 36 hours, that sounds like the right choice. There's also people saying that,

well, it is a good lesson, but also the mom should have just bought the chicken at that point, because it's her Christmas gift card. I want to tell you a story. When I was a kid, my mom would go grocery shopping, and we have a large family, as you guys know.

And so grocery shopping was a bit of an experience for mom. It was a two to three hour thing. One of my greatest fantasies as a kid, every time I'd go grocery shopping was a bit of an experience for mom. It was a two to three hour thing. One of my greatest fantasies as a kid, every time I'd go grocery shopping with my mom, was fantasizing about what it would be like to be locked in the grocery store overnight and have just unlimited access to anything.

And I would just go down every aisle and fantasize about what I would eat or could eat. I never had a fantasy about what toys I would play with at any given store. So yeah, I totally get it. And if you're a kid and your mom's like, you get to buy anything you want, and you thought I get to buy a whole fucking chicken

and it's mine. That makes so much sense. And like why is food not considered an amazing gift for anyone who says like, this is what I want, you know? Like I don't want it. I think it's also great that she like gave her the gift card, obviously knowing that she would want food. And then it was like, it's kind of her way of being like,

you get whatever you want from the grocery store. Nick, you just unlocked a memory in my head. Do you remember like Target used to do this thing for Christmas where you could, as a kid, grab like the scanners and create a wish list by going around the store and like scanning different objects? Mine was always food. Yeah, there you go.

For our Christmas, when I was a kid, my mom would let us each pick out our own cereal for Christmas morning. And that was like insane. That is a great idea. It's a good one. And it was like, that's your box of cereal. No one else can touch it.

That's so good to me. What if you wanted the same as someone else? Can I get my own box of cereal for Christmas? You're so hungry. Sharpie with the name on it. No, but also as a kid, we used to like, my mom would every once in a while buy what we called sugar cereal.

So like anything like Cocoa Pebbles or like Sugar's Max. And I would wake up at 5.30 in the morning and like run down because there wasn't enough cereal in that box to feed all the kids. And then there was a one bowl of cereal rule, which I would often break by like, well, I still have milk, so it's still the same bowl. Would you buy the boxes or would you buy the giant bags?

Because big families always have the bagged ones. Everyone told me, my mom did it all. We couponed, we had to make ends meet. Well, the bagged ones are cheaper. Sure, but they weren't, yeah. I remember sitting at the breakfast table with my bowl of cereal and the box in front of me and like playing the games in the back.

Oh my God. Like that was fun. I once found a Michael Jordan basketball. It was, I think it was Cheerios or something, was giving away like basketball cards. And I was like, what if I got Michael Jordan? And in the box was Michael fucking Jordan. That's so cool. One of the best days of my life.

I mean, obviously like not. Not. Not. Do you still have the basketball card? No, I don't know. I don't think so. I wish, I wish. I don't know where my parents what did with all my cards.

All of your stuff they keep telling you is at the lake and they're like, it's up in the garage. You should like look at it and tell me what you want. We'll keep it now. Yeah. Well, now it's at the lake. All your trophies look at it and tell me what you want. And we'll keep it now, yeah, well now it's up the lake. All your trophies, all your medals. Good job, Nick. Well, James Kennedy returned to social media

and I am grateful that he did because it reminded me that I was still following him and I needed to unfollow. So I was grateful for that. I guess I suppose I should unfollow him. Yeah, you know, I forgot I followed him because he went ghost. I didn't, he wasn't popping up anymore and I just went out of my head.

And then the second I saw that little, I was like, oh my God, get it out of here. He's posting- Well, so he's posting like sobriety coins. So he's like celebrating or like encouraging himself to stay sober. He must have unfollowed me earlier. Oh.

Oh. That. Oh. That makes sense. Meanwhile, on the other side, Allie is posting TikToks of her new large smart apartment. Yeah. So she's moved out. Large smart. And he's posting coins, sobriety coins.

Sobriety coins, yeah. To prove like. So has there been any acknowledgement about his being violent and physical towards women? From him? Yes. No. No, this is, I mean, this From him? Yes. No. This is him returning to social media.

He posted three Instagram stories. The first one was of his coins. I'm just so over this whole excuse of- That read, keep coming back. Then the next was a selfie of him and his dog. Thank God for that. And then the third was him throwing the ball for his dog or the sunset or the park or something.

So glad we got that update from him. Like, I mean, okay. But he needs to acknowledge that. 100% he needs to acknowledge it. Get sober, that's awesome. But like you take not every alcoholic or person who abuses substances is violent towards women or abuses women physically.

And like the fact that he's implying, that's the case. I'm sorry. I'm curious if that's like a private conversation between Ali and James. Cause I remember, Tina said that like that was just out of respect of Ali that some people weren't speaking. I 100% hope that that's been a private conversation

between him and Ali. It 100% needs to be if it hasn't. But he also does need to address the world because he had fans. He had followers, he had people who supported him and loved him and showed up to his DJ sets. And he has people who were looking up to him. And now he's shown over and over and over and over

and over again that he's still this person who's abusing women. And it's like, you've gotta. He's also addressing the world. Like, you know what I'm saying? He's being a public figure and he's continuing to be a public figure and he's now posting sobriety coins

and making statements about his sobriety. All of these statements indirectly are ignoring the problem, you know, which is his abuse. And I have a lot of empathy for people who struggle with addiction, but that's still in no way ever an excuse to do that. I think he can be allowed to like to have his own sobriety journey and people are more than

welcome to support him in his sobriety, but that does not change what he did and what he has not owned up to in that regard. Both of those things are prevalent. What's frustrating is you know what's going to happen. He's banking on time going by and people just kind of forgetting and other stories coming out, and then he'll slowly kind of keep reappearing and he'll talk about a sobriety and hope that everyone

just forgets about the actual thing that he did, which is a real problem. Which they will. Which is pick up and throw her across the room. Yeah, and then he'll try to get work again and try to be out there and everyone will just kind of be like, well, didn't you do that thing? Yeah.

What's the same thing with like, so like Armie Hammer has been coming back into the news recently, doing interviews and claiming that he's like turning down roles. Started a podcast. He started a podcast, he's been like on other, I forget exactly whose podcast he was on, but he's been doing more public appearances

and his, the kind of narrative that he's spinning is that, oh my God, it's so crazy that people thought I was a cannibal. I wasn't actually a cannibal. Like that's crazy, that's so funny, I would never do that. But then the issue was never that he was a cannibal, it was that he was abusive to girlfriends. So it's like we're spinning that under the rug

and he probably is gonna make a return because he already is. And so it's just this infuriating thing where so many men, public men who like do these awful things to women are just allowed to continue because they can like spin the narrative of like what other hot ever hot button issue they have that's going on that they're struggling with and then just sweep the rest of it under the rug because they have been getting away with this for years. I mean Army Hammer's podcast bio says we feed him before every episode. Yeah.

So. Yeah, it's like a sleight of hand, you know. And it works. Bait and switch. Yeah. Yeah, everyone's more focused about how difficult, like, lively we are. It's so bizarre. It's like people can be difficult. People are difficult on sets all the time.

What does that have to do with? But I don't like her vibe Yeah, well So in Southern charm news Craig has addressed his split with Paige. This is sad I watched the video he just seems like such a lovely guy. Can we do we have the video? I will say I've never wanted to like pay attention to like breakups and things like that and I love Paige Obviously, but Craig is one of those if I were single I would slide in those DMs so fast

I can't cuz I love my boyfriend very much. But if I were single I did see how long it said no more giggling and all cops Not the squad. Yeah Everyone what's up? Oh, figured it's finally time to check in with everyone. Sorry about the delay. This has all been very, very unexpected, to say the least. I mean, that's new information. It is. My one thing about this video is he is basically being like,

yeah, Paige broke up with me and I didn't know that that was going to happen. Yeah, that's the really the only thing about this video is he is basically being like yeah page broke up with me And I didn't know that that was gonna happen. Yeah, that's the really the only takeaway from this video Also that he seems to be hurting. Yeah, I was like it's it's just weird You know like go from talking to your best friend every day to like not at all But you know we'll get there and adjust and I was just like it looked back that he didn't say anything Cruel or degrading about Paige. He only said be be nice to her, be kind to both of us, but like he's just, ugh. Yeah, but the unexpected is a-

It kinda, I gotta be- It's slightly- It's not the cleanest video. It's a little bit of a, I do want you to know, I was caught off guard and she did it and she broke my heart. It definitely is not, Paige gave, we broke up. Well, she talked about it on her podcast.

I feel like he just- Did she say I broke up with him unexpectedly and he's heartbroken and I'm shattered and I'm like at basketball games chilling? It kind of implied in my opinion, listening to her, she was like, you know, I'm not the same person I was when we started dating.

I was 29 and I'm in my 30s, we want different things. So I think it's, you know, it seemed, in her version, it seemed just very you know, it seemed in her version, it seemed just very amicable. And it sounds on his version too. It's amicable, but he doesn't want that. People have a right to break up. People have a right to like change.

Feelings can change. And it doesn't mean anything nefarious. It's just, we live in a world where someone breaks up and everyone's expecting someone's fault or someone did something wrong or nefarious. It's either you grow together or you growious. That's a long term relationship. It's either you grow together or you grow apart. And it seems like neither one of them

were planning on moving. And he was very adamant about like wanting her to move to Charleston and get married and all that. And if that's not in the cards for her, I think that that's great that she decided as much as I love you and would wanna make it work, this just doesn't work for where I'm at in my life right now. Who do you think starts dating first?

One of my predictions. Ooh. I don't know. It's kind of hard because it's like, I feel like sometimes when breakups like this happen and one person wants to get married so badly that I'm like, Craig could meet somebody and by December this year be engaged.

I could see that because he wants that. And I could also see Paige coming out with like a hotty headlining Yeah, like actor or you know, I think Paige is gonna be dating someone either super rich or famous super rich or super famous Absolutely Austin Butler single Him and Kaia Gerber broke up That is a joke is she down for blondes what she down for blondes Ka What? Is she down for blondes? Kaya Gerber? No, Paige. Oh, sorry.

Um, who knows? I don't know, I see her going kind of like, it's either gonna be somebody that we all know, or it's gonna be like a Lindsay Hubbard, like somebody that's very successful in their field that wants nothing to do with it. I think it's gonna be more of the latter, but we'll see. Yeah, we'll see.

Yeah. Hugh Jackman. Hugh Jackman. Who is also out there dating and getting back out there after his divorce. Congrats, Hugh and Sutton. Sutton Foster. No. Hugh Jackman. Hugh Jackman. Who is also out there dating and getting back out there after his divorce. Congrats, Hugh and Sutton. Sutton Foster. Yeah.

I'm not familiar with Sutton Foster. Is she a big deal? You're not? Broadway royalty. Shrek the musical. Extremely talented woman. No, she's in... I have no doubt.

She's in a lot. Younger. Oh yeah, yeah. She also had her own TV show. Tony Award winning. Well, it's a new year. And so being a new year, we have some possible predictions we are going to guess.

Is it all Bravo? Did you, is it Bravo predictions? Solely Bravo. Solely Bravo predictions. What do we think is gonna happen in 2025? Sierra came up with a list of possibilities that we now get to discuss. People were doing this around like pop culture stuff

and people were saying that you and I were gonna get a divorce in 2025. Oh, that's so rude. I know. She puts up with you being angry. She's gonna have a second baby and they're also gonna get a divorce. It's like, oh, whoa, you got a busy year, girl.

Paige had some rumors that she had to deal with about I guess some infidelity and she's had some, it seems like she's had some fun clapping back and addressing said rumors. Yeah, she's something you'll hear from my lawyer. See you in court. See you in court. And again, people always want and need a reason.

First prediction, Paige will announce new relationship with an actor. Yes, no. Yay. Well, do I have a timeline with who this year? 2025. 2025. Paige will announce a timeline with who this year? 2025. 2025. Paige will announce a prediction with an actor.

A new relationship with an actor. No, I really think Paige needs a non-problematic, not a diva. This is not about what she needs. Listen. What do we think she will do? I think she will go athlete, and I think she'll go athlete because athletes have a sense of humor. She is funny. She needs someone funny.

A lot of the time A-list actors are like kind of weird. They're really serious and delirious. They're very serious and like kooky, a little kooky, and I think she might be like, you're fucking weird, no thanks. And I think she might go for an athlete who's funny and rich. Or do you think comedian? No, I don't think she'll go comedian. Because male comedian, he would think he was funnier than her and he wouldn't be. Rich or do you think comedian? No, I don't think she'll go comedian because no comedian

He would be too fun. He would like think he was funnier than her. So Probably problematic. Yeah, yeah athlete. All right next one Ramona Singer will return to Bravo unfortunately Why do we I think they've got to bring someone back To New York if they're gonna try to do another season. Well, my next one was the new Rony put on pause. I predict shakeup. I don't know if it's gonna be a pause. Okay.

They're for sure gonna mix the old with the new. Yeah, yeah, they gotta mix the old with the new. Winterhouse will return. They put it on pause last year. It was like the eclectic mix of summer house, Vanderpump rules, and then last season bombed with below deck characters. It'll probably return with more Vanderpump since that show's not ready.

Uh, yeah. That's a good call. Okay, next one is there will be an engagement on Real Housewives of Miami. I'm thinking Lisa. Lisa's whole divorce situation's messy, so probably. But she's with the rich dude, so I feel like her season, there's a possibility. Is Larcissa still with Jordan? No.

As of House of Villains, no. Sandoval and Schwartz will have a spinoff. No. Absolutely not. On YouTube. On your Patreon, on Patreon. On Fubi. On YouTube.

I've heard that, well, I mean, I think they're still very close friends, but I hear that Tom Sandoval and his girlfriend are- Vampires? 24-7. on an island. Attached at the hip. Yeah, kind of living on their own. Interesting.

There's no room for Schwartz anymore? I don't know how much room there is for Schwartz in this moment of Tom Sandoval's life. Schwartz? Yeah. Is Schwartz still dating Sophia, do you know? I think so. Yeah.

As far as I know, they moved in together. I mean, they're definitely quiet on social media So if that's if that means anything to everyone then They're absolutely broken up and hate each other Going off of social media, but it was the last time they shared anything did they not move in together No, anytime short post like even his like new when he moved and everything there They don't post together in stories or like it so they moved in together and now they might be broken up I don't even know if they're I don't I don't know I think they might just be together

But now we should get sports back on check in we didn't update. Yeah, we didn't update. I do have some questions for that man One how do you feel to look like me bitch? That's actually it okay, I don't think this, but I did see this circulating. Brittany Cartwright gets pregnant this year. I see it. Yes. Season three Valley.

With someone other than Jax? Oh, of course. Yeah, fuck that. She's definitely not going back to Jax. I mean, Jax has a storyline of being mad. Yeah, maybe also with an athlete. I feel like yes, Yes. Nick says no. No, I'm rooting for that.

I'm rooting for Brittany Cartwright. What kind of athlete? I'm thinking like, um, Rugby. No, I think a Lakers player. Yeah, like a basketball player. Yeah, for sure. What about Paige?

I see Paige more basketball than... Paige was at a basketball game before she died. She was at a next-door hotel who... I don't know, she might be shopping. More senses of humor, I feel like... Baseball guys are pretty funny and rich. Yeah, that's true. I mean, those pants don't lie.

No new season of Real Housewives of New Jersey this year. That's for sure, probably. I mean, Andy already said probably for another year. Pause, okay. Kim Zolzak makes an appearance on Real Housewives of Atlanta. Do we think she's gonna come back with all of her headlines, her encroach? I want her back.

I want her back. She's too messy. Yeah, I feel like she has to come back. An ultimate girls trip with a younger cast, women from Southern Charm, The Valley, VPR. Like, you know, they do ultimate girls trip, but it's like Legacy or like Luanne, like a younger. I don't think that would happen 2025, maybe 2026.

I think if we put it out there, we're now putting it into Brawler's Brain. I think Ultimate Girl's Trip is on pause until litigation is done. Oh yeah, we have our suit. For my demise, I love Ultimate Girl's Trip. Yeah, we'll see. Okay, this one is really spicy.

I was tired and it's really bad, but I was like, Sierra and Craig get together. I said, I don't know why I feel like this could happen, but I do. Not you, you're not projecting your own. I mean, I'm just asking. Like, Cages best friend on Summer House? Craig.

I don't know, I just, something that I always have in the back of my head, I just feel like they have this really interesting chemistry with each other. But it's like, yeah, they would have to like literally never be friends. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I told you I was tired and feeling spicy. Okay, and my last prediction,

John Jansen and Alexis Bellino do not get married. Yes, yes. A hundred percent. Like engagement called off. Yes. As soon as she is officially asked from the show, he's gone. Then he sues her as well.

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whatever and I realized like during my massage that they were playing the instrumental of Titanic and I was like this is fucked up. This is fucked up. See I went to massage and they're playing like lo fi Billie Eilish with the beat and I was like this is not relaxing. We, I went to massage and they're playing like lo-fi Billie Eilish with a beat and I was like, this is not relaxing. We did that in Leia. When we got our couples massage, they were playing. I get a lot of massages, guys.

You guys got a couple's massage? I've never had a massage. I was invited by Three Slums in the first. Ever? Nope. Because you're always like dead. Not for any particular reason. I just never have.

Mary, they're good. I've been getting massages since like kindergarten. I could probably use one, especially since, you know, often my, like, the back of my neck goes numb when I'm editing? That's called chiropractor. Yeah, my mom told me never to go to a chiropractor. We should hire masseuses.

What's the plural for masseuse? Massesus. I've been going to one since I was like eight. Me too, no, literally, me too. I don't know. Every week. My mom's like, I'm a nurse, trust me. And then she's like, chiropractors will just

fuck up your back and then you have to keep going back. I think there's a lot of shady chiropractors. I think doctors- Especially in Florida. Yeah. I think- I wouldn't go to chiropractor in Florida, that's for sure. I think a lot of like, I think doctors and chiropractors have beef. Oh, they do.

Yeah. Is it Rachel Lindsay's ex-husband chiropractor from Florida? He is. He is. I am obsessed with chiropractor TikToks though, I will say. Not that. I love watching people get cracked.

I can't, that sounds so much. I love to crack. I'm sure the NFL has a lot of chiropractor in Mississippi. Oh, oh, oh, oh, I'm sure they are getting their back cracked the fuck up. Wait, I have one more chiropractor story real quick. My roommate's boyfriend, who ended up also being one of my roommates in Atlanta,

was a chiropractic student, and I let him give me adjustments. And now you're uneven. That's your story? But yeah, that's it. I let Ben Higgins, who learned from his chiropractor buddy, crack my neck. That's wild.

It was wild, I don't know why I did that. I won't go to a chiropractor, because I feel like when they tell you to relax or breathe, they're gonna crack it. No, I hate that sound, and I'm gonna tense up, and then I'm just gonna die. I don't know if you heard that in the mic. That's my irrational fear. It's vibe football time

So do you guys know about the wild card absolutely not playoff edition? Okay, so for anyone confused the wild card The wild card round of the playoffs is basically the girls and by girls I mean grown men's chance to bring the receipts, the proof, the timeline, fucking everything to the table in order to be greenlit into the next season of the Real House Wives of Salt Lake City or in football's case, the divisional playoffs. The divisional playoffs. Yes. So... It's winner go home.

Winner go home. And the playoffs are the Super Bowl? No. The Super Bowl is the Super Bowl. Like they turn into the Super Bowl. So basically... You're trying to get to the Super Bowl. You're trying to get... Right now Bowl. You're trying to get.

Right now, the Wild Card are like the teams that are like, kind of not. Let's say theoretically, like Heather Gay is like, kind of phoning in the season. And she has one chance to get renewed. And this is her chance to get renewed. Yeah. OK.

Kind of. Right? Yeah. It would be more like. Like a friend of trying to get a full cast member. It would be like, for example, like if they have seating. So if like Kyle Richards was going toe to toe with like, let's say a, you know, a Crystal Minkoff, right?

And then like Crystal Minkoff who's not even on the show right now, it would be considered the underdog in whatever match of housewife lore they're competing in. To get closer for like center diamond. It's Britney saying, what about me? Yes. This is the what about me moment.

Everyone's more confused about football now. Yeah, I'm so confused now. What's happening? Okay, so it's the wild card. They're basically just trying to like get into the playoffs. Yeah. No, they're in the playoffs. Wild card is the playoffs.

But it's the wild card division of the playoffs. It's like the teams that are like on the cutting block. I mean, it's just the name. Whatever. Anyway, so this week we're talking about the Washington two commanders versus the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And the commanders are the Duree Kemsley of the NFL and that they have had a truly magical season in a way that no one thought was possible. That's true. They also had a name change.

They did. We don't need to. She has a new accent, so. They're more like in many, many ways. In their last game against the Cowboys, they were down 3 with 6 seconds left in the game, and their backup quarterback, Marcus Mariota, threw a game-winning touchdown in a shock-herd round the world. This is what I like to call the smoking a cigarette in the car

while driving through a Bel-Air game. Marcus Mariota, a veteran, reminded the team that he is chic as a wind chime. And he's not going anywhere. That was a Dury Kemsley reference. Marcus Mariota, a veteran, reminded the team that he is chic as a wind chime. And he's not going anywhere. That was a Dury Kemsley reference. Yes. And then the Buccaneers are the expected winner of the game with a home field advantage. And Baker Mayfield, their quarterback, is their reason why. He is the Angie Katzeneva of the NFL. Pass around, disrespected, looked over, drinks poured on his head, told that he can leave many teams. But now he is back in a big way, securing his position as center snowflake, or in his case,

the NFC South Division champion. So here's the question. Will Baker and the Bucks have their high body count hair moment, or will the commanders bring the fashion, fashion, fashion? Only time will tell and only vibes can decide. Unfortunately, I won't be able to decide off vibes because I do need to know like some, like is anyone doing good or is anyone doing bad? The Bucks are doing, I mean, Baker Mayfield and the Bucks are doing like really good. They're both doing pretty good. Yeah.

I heard Angie Kay, so I'm going with Bucks. I'm gonna go with Dari. Always. You're gonna go with Dari, whoa. Chocker. And the commanders. And the commanders. Vibes wanna go with the Bucks?

We have to. Okay, we have to. I'm from Florida. Yeah. OK. Are they Florida? Tampa Bay. Oh. Yeah.

Is it now? Yeah. Great. They don't have Tom Brady on their team anymore. I thought they were from Greece. Yeah. Well, Florida is the Greece of America. Oh.

It's like a peninsula. OK. Well, we'll see. Everyone does. Hopefully the Green Bay Packers beat the Philadelphia Eagles that they're playing this week. OK. But just vibes are going box bucks, stats are going commanders. Correct.

Cool. Alright. Alright, Bev Hills. Alright, we've taken a couple weeks off. Where do we wanna start? Venom in the Viper Room. All I have to say is I will not defend any hate going towards Sutton. Really? Yeah.

No, I can't. I won't. You're Sutton till you die. I think Sutton calls a spade a spade and we should be listening to Sutton. Because she's a preaching girlhood. How can she? She's such a hypocrite. And sometimes girlhood is putting your foot down

and just saying BFFR. You hate your life right now. I think Bozeman of all these women, I trust the most. No, I trust her too. I do too, but I- I think she has, she- But then- No, no, no, but then Sutton tried to turn it as like a...

I wasn't saying like, you're unhappy with your life. I was just like saying like, this is why, like things... I was defending her. I was trying to do it and just trying to let her know that maybe that... And I think she might have said it in a heated moment. Mm-hmm. What about her behavior in the Viper room? You stand by that?

Look, Sutton is a southern woman. I don't know. I don't act like that. What the fuck does that mean? Go on. I don't act like that. I'm gonna leave it there. I love that you ride hard for Sutton.

I can't talk with my allegiance to Meredith, so I'm gonna let you go. Yeah, if there was one housewife that you unequivocally will have their back no matter what, who is it? Bronwyn, newbie. But I love her, what about you guys? Hi, I'm Bronwyn. I'm probably Shannon. Oh, that's a good one. We should all make t-shirts.

I don't understand why at the Viper Room they had Kesha in attendance, but Erika Jayne performed. That was odd. And it wasn't even a performance. It was a hype up, let's hype up the crowd, put your hands in the sky, I'm gonna mouth the lyrics to my song. Domino. Domino.

What? Domino. While Kesha was just like chilling when she could have iconically done TikTok on the clock, but the party don't stop and she didn wake up in the morning like fuck P did it She is friends with Kyle Yeah like before the

Before and during the show and after it was filmed like she is friends with her and I think Kyle was just trying to prove The point like I could be friends with like a female artist and like it's nothing. That's why she She had a joke. I Think they're actual friends I think that Kesha didn't perform because NBC didn't want to pay Kesha for the rights to use one of her songs. That is probably true.

That is probably true. I do wish we would have seen more of a performance from Erika Jayne since she is such a performer. It felt like laziness. Not pizza party behavior. Hands in the sky, yeah. Put your arms up. When Jennifer Tilly was like,

yeah, I don't think she's gonna be winning any awards for lyrics. She's the best. Everything about Sutton is her friendship with Jennifer Tilly. Yeah, truly. That'll, I trust who Tilly trusts. The dog, when she comes in, is like, hi little dogs,

and then the dogs start barking and she's running out. You know the Phantom song that Nellie thought was in Wicked, you're a witch and I'm a rich. Oh yeah. I picture Jennifer Tilly and Sutton singing to each other, you're rich and I'm rich and we're rich together, like all day long. That's how I picture them.

They're so rich. They could do a crappy leg moment. What's that? It's the Luanne and Sonia spinoff. Where they like, kind of like Simple Life, where they go to like a town in the middle of nowhere. Oh yeah. It's just them drinking 24 seven and talking to people that don't have as much money as them.

Has anyone checked on Garcels Beach House that's in Malibu? Oh my god. Oh my god. That's a good point. No, I think she's a little further north than Malibu. I think she's like up by like Oxnard. But yeah, she brought her son and shared Oliver.

Yeah, Oliver's backstory. I don't know if you remember Oliver from Oh, I remember, yeah, the one who was making out with Raquel. Raquel. Raquel, Lala. He didn't make out with Lala, but he was talking to her. How did he end up on that? That was weird.

Because he worked at Las Vegas. Yeah, at Pump restaurant. Yes. The way that I understand it is Garcella got on Beverly Hills through those connections. She knew Lisa Vanderpump. She wasn't on a season with Lisa Vanderpump, but she like somehow met Lisa. And then that connection, Lisa then hired Oliver. OK. At the Las Vegas one. Then the Raquel stuff happened recently. Kyle and Lisa like talk shit about each other?

Well, Lisa originally made, like, LVP, made a comment saying, like, if she wants to have a friendship with Kyle, she needs an apology. Or just being like, I never got an apology. And Kyle was like, you're not going to get an apology. Happy holidays. Happy holidays. Love that, actually, from Kyle. Yeah.

She was like, nobody asked for that. What is Kyle supposed to apologize to Lisa for? For not defending her against rumors that- Five years ago. About a dog. Goodbye, Kyle. Well, Lisa Vanderpump only defends men. Problematic men. I will say I am disappointed in Grisel as a housewife

this episode because she had the perfect opportunity to be a housewife in the Viper Room when Kyle is like, have I talked to PK? Have I talked to PK? I mean, a meme maybe in the last, knowing damn well last episode, she was like, yeah, I've been talking to PK. PK Texas her.

And Garcelle was silent. Garcelle said nothing. Which is crazy because Bozeman had more to say and she's just met these people and she's defending Doreep being like, and even then, girl code. I know Garcelle doesn't like Dureet but in that moment you still could have been like wait Kyle that's not what you told me on the boat like

let's go back a little bit. I will say it's a violation of girl code but I also don't think that Kyle and PK have anything going on. I don't think it's about them having anything going on. I know but it is a complete violation of girl code. It's so inappropriate. And it's also because Kyle's not communicating with Dorit, so I think it's weird to be like, he's a better friend to me when it's like, the only reason why you know PK is through Dorit. But also, how is he a better friend to you

if all you're sending are memes? Yeah. Anytime someone says meme, it's not a meme. It's not a meme. It's just like a joke here and there. He's saying knock knock, who's fucking there over text. It's probably mean memes about Dorit. That's what I, over text. It's probably mean memes about Deree. That's what I was gonna say.

It's a form of, well, you know, it's two people connecting is what it is. It may be trivial, it may be nothing more, and I'm not saying like two people sending memes, like you're cheating. I've started full relationships based off of sending memes. But you're not sending just like a meme, and then somebody sends a meme back as a response.

You're gonna talk about the meme, you're gonna laugh about the meme, why are you sending the meme? Why do you think it's funny to send to me? Your husband you're separated with is sending memes with your friend that you're not talking to? How are you not living?

Husband is sending your ex-best friend memes. And Kyle isn't like, hey, Dere, no, we're not cool right now, but I have heard from PK, he just sent me this meme about- He sent me go piss girl. I thought it was weird, I didn't wanna let you know, because I know we're not cool right now, but I have heard from PK. He just sent me this meme about- He sent me, go piss girl. I thought it was weird. I didn't want to let you know

because I know we're not talking right now, but I just, I want you to know where I stand and that's with you. Kyle would have lost her. I don't even know Kyle that well. I don't know Kyle at all. I've never met her. I met her once, and she was lovely,

but I don't know her at all. I just know her through Housewives, but the Kyle I've watched is someone who- Oh, Kyle would be pissed. Pissed. Yep, yep. So pissed. Yeah.

So she's 100% breaking girl code in my opinion and playing dumb about it. I am glad they went around the table and all of them were like, yeah, I wouldn't do that. Yeah, that's fucking weird. Yeah, no thanks. And then Kyle kind of like lost her shit on Dorit,

which felt- When she was like, can you not yell at me so your veins are popping out of your forehead? I was like, damn. And then the rest of the yell at me so your veins are popping out of your forehead? I was like, damn. And then the rest of the episode is Kyle screaming with her veins popping out of her forehead. Duree is really on one. Yeah.

Do you think it's manufactured? In what way? Like this specific argument, I was like, are we really getting that mad? Like them screaming at each other. Over the meme? Being like, don't talk to me that way. I mean, I think-

The meme, yeah, the meme's valid, but like the after part, I was like, now we're just like to make sound bites. I don't know if they know the difference. I think they just. I think they're also lost in the sauce of perception show versus reality at this point. I think with Kyle's response to the whole conversation,

I mean, Dorit came in very just like, hey, it's chill, I just wanna know, has he talked to you? Because he hasn't talked to me. So has he talked to you? Kyle got weird, and then she started, it was like. It was like I feel like the sound bites, right? That's what I'm like. That's where it sounded like it was more like I don't know. It's genuine drama But like the screaming back to forth was too much drama. I don't know. I feel like you know, it's like, you know yesterday

I wasn't eating and hangry and now I you know was mad at me I think we're a healthy couple so we got through through it. We talk, we work through our emotions. If we were a couple of housewives, we would have killed each other. Yeah. I think Sutton was more manufactured than Kyle. That whole like whatever performance she was putting on at the table where everyone was kind of like,

well, what's going on with her? I do stand by that. I agree. The way that she like spun what Dorit was saying to you. I didn't like that where it was just like, okay, fine, we'll never be I agree. The way that she spun what Dorit was saying to you. I didn't like that where it was just like, OK, fine, we'll never be friends. And that's not what Dorit's saying. She's like, how can I trust you if your actions,

you're saying one thing and your actions are showing another thing? And she's like, yeah, no, it's fine. We'll never be friends. And it's like, that's not what she said. She also was like, I didn't say I needed to be the first person that you call, but just a person that you call.

It's like, so you're not a good friend. Just say it. You're not a good friend. You don say it, you're not a good friend. You don't give a fuck about Dorit. You're not there if she needs you. Like you are kicking her while she's down. And she flipped it on its head and then was just like, no, we're not friends.

We're not friends. So it's like, why are you offering or extending an olive branch or extending friendship if you're also so quickly when it's not received the way you want it to be? Then be like, all right, well, fuck it all. Don't ever call me again. And it was like, it's a grander reaction.

She's a little reactive, but who isn't? A little. Yeah. A lot of people aren't actually. Reactive? Reactive. On reality television? Oh, on reality too.

They were also at the Viper Room, so I'm sure there was loud music playing in the background, so I will give them credit. For sure. Question, have y'all been to the Viper Room? Yes. No. I don't think so. No. If I have, I didn't know what it was. But I thought it was funny, I've only been one the Viper Room? Yes. No. I don't think so.

No. But I thought it was funny. I've only been one time and it was a Halloween, not by choice. That's exactly my experience of the Viper Room. I literally, so I walk up to the Viper Room, my best friend's like co-worker's boyfriend's band this morning.

So we know it's not gonna be good. And so we go, the lady, I have like a boyfriend. Yeah. Um. She's friendly. The co-worker's boyfriend. Yeah. Um. She's friendly. The co-worker was wonderful that I met that night. She was great. But so we go in, the lady like asked me about my bag

and she was like, is there anything in your bag? And I was like, no. And she was like, I don't actually care what's in your bag. Just like, if there's anything scary in there, don't open it inside, just open it outside. And I was like, okay. What the fuck is that? And I like literally had just reached in there

to grab my ID. And she goes, I don't need to see anything in there. This woman was either like 12 or 90. I had no way of knowing. So we go into the vicar room. Honestly valid. And then the band that was playing, it was like this most the most like disgusting like Led Zeppelin

wannabe band in the entire world. They all like took their shirts off at one point. The lead singer, who was the boyfriend, had like the worst voice I've ever heard in my life. Props to them for going up. But then they said they had previously gotten kicked out of the Whiskey-A-Go-Go for being too risque, which is false.

But they were like, yeah, we can take our shirts off here, but they wouldn't let us at the Whiskey because it was too risky. And I was like, yeah. And I was like, you guys got kicked out of the Whiskey for being not safe for work. The whiskey a go-go. They're like one of the most famous rock clubs

like in Los Angeles. They're all on the same street. Yeah. Sunset Strip. Yeah, like anyway, that's my experience with the Viper Room. Well, Garcelle made out with Johnny Depp in the Viper Room, so. River Phoenix also died there.

While Johnny Depp owned it. That's where River Phoenix died when Johnny Depp owned it. Yeah, that's the Viper Room. Oh, so Johnny Depp doesn't. That's where River Phoenix died when Johnny Depp owned it Yeah, that's the Viper room. Oh, so Johnny Depp doesn't own it He doesn't own it anymore. He owned it for that's I think a decade It's like people still go there for like, um, like people were obsessed with like that. I also thought it was getting shut down. It should. Yeah It's a very intimate. Do you think Jeff Lewis is mad that Erica Jane didn't hire him to decorate his house

I was kind of mad forja. Is he an interior designer or is he more of like a architect, builder, contractor? Because it seems like she's just picking out new rugs and light fixtures. And he's like, yes, he's going to elevate. Is he going to help you redesign your gold wall? No, I've given up on the gold wall. So I've given up on the gold wall and I don't give a fuck about it anymore. I'm just gonna close my eyes every time I'm in the house.

Plans have changed. Beautiful. Plans have changed. Here, nap time. Nap time, every time I walk in, yeah. Nap time, I'm deciding to put my money elsewhere, somewhere more important. Okay. Yeah, sorry, I'm fiscally responsible.

Whoa. Sorry. Even though I do really love and support Son, I do like Bozeman's relationship with Duri. She's a good judge of character, I think. Yeah. Sorry. Even though I do really love and support Sun, I do like Bozeman's relationship with Dury. She's a good judge of character, I think. Yeah. And I like that she's not swayed by anything. She stands firm on what she believes

and she's like, I'll say it to your face, I'll say it behind your back, but these women will just say anything to say anything. Yeah. And I'm like, that's how you know she's a real business woman. She's like, I pick and choose my battles and none of this is worth it. Did you call Sutton, a real Sutton Shady?

Please stand up. Is that what you said? Yeah. That was really funny. Well, the real Slim Sutton? The real Slim Sutton, please stand up. And when Doree was talking about her therapy with PK and PK saying like, this is why I want to get a divorce.

Well, Sutton kind of did predict that in the sense of what she's been saying even with Kyle too, but on the boat she was like, I know that you guys wanna co-parent and you think that things are gonna be easy, but there will be a day where the other shoe drops and it sounds like it did in therapy with PK. You mean a four hour therapy session? A, sounds expensive. B. Sounds almost unbelievable. It sounds like really, like that therapist

just had no other appointments that day? Yeah. They were seeing no other patients? Do you book four hours? Do you book two hours? You probably could. Do you book one hour and then you're just like, we gotta add on. We gotta add on.

Are we doing like team building activities? Is this like an improv lesson in therapy? Also, I feel like the therapist should have been like, hey, so it's been three and a half hours. We're actually not getting anywhere. So maybe let's table this, go home, sleep on it. See you tomorrow. Yeah.

Are we breaking for lunch? Yeah. But also hourly. Is there crafty? What's going on? She's on an hourly wait. Do we have an update on Dorit and PK as of today? Like, do we know? I know there were pictures of Dorit with other people. What did they do for the holidays? Yeah. Great question. All I've seen is there's pictures of Dorit with other men, but we don't know if those are just friends or- Do I want a pizza for lunch or burger? So I'm both really, do I want a pizza for lunch or like burger?

So I'm both really good. I want a rotisserie chicken. Also delicious. He posted Boy George for Christmas. Hmm. Still pushing that. Talked about it on the after show, but I feel like that's. It's do you know how infuriating is for my cat to be named George Michael, for James Kennedy to be George George Michael, for James Kennedy

to be George Michael's godson, and for boy George to be PK's boss? So Dorit did say on the after show, we stand in exactly the same place we were at in the beginning. Ask me in another six months, hopefully I'll have a better answer. Work needs to be done. Okay. But then PK also went on the Hot Mic podcast and said that the way she described his sobriety was harmful. And Dorit spent the holidays with her kids on vacation.

On vacation. So no answers, but. It doesn't look good. No, no. I mean, we did see Kyle and Moe all in Aspen with all their kids spending Christmas together. So. It's possible.

They're always in Aspen. And they're always together. Aspen is like the Switzerland of relationships that they think about it. That they were together. And in the same house. In the same house. That's what I'm saying, they were with her.

They're making it work for the kids. They're cooking dinners together. And Rihanna. And they don't even have like baby kids. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like most of them are out of the house. She's got one kid that still lives in the home.

Portia. Do you think they occasionally hook up? I was thinking that too. And it's like, why wouldn't you? Why not? Well, can you hook up when your roommate's in the house? No, and it's Teddy. She's got a hot mouth.

No, I mean, in Aspen over Christmas. Yeah, Teddy and Kylo are living together. And they were roommates. One Irish coffee, too many. Where's Teddy's kids? I think Teddy's back home. She posts her kids all the time, like going into her, her dove just got a big girl bed.

She's like posting like her interior design in her bedroom. I think she stays, I don't think they stay in the same house. I think that like they kind of take turns in the house so that it doesn't disrupt the kids. Like their routine, waking up at home, it's not going back and forth to where Teddy's staying.

I think they take turns parenting in the house. And then she goes to Kyle's. And he has like a hotel or another house or something. Something. Great. Okay, well, making it work for the kids. We love that. Yeah.

Does that wrap it up? So the nationality is, I love it. Do you? I do too, actually. And I really didn't think I was going to. I've avoided watching this show because obviously I had Vanderpump rules and I was like, I don't need another Vanderpump rules

taking me back circa 10 years. Now that I have no Vanderpump rules and nothing to look forward to, the way that this kind of slid in the first episode and I was like, wait, this is so messy. Young people are amazing. And then I started the first season and I binged through the entire first season.

I'm on the second season. It's so good. Okay, I mean, I thought season three was fine. You know, I mean, Joe. Hook it up with Luann. Well, he claims it was just a make out. He just made out with her. I believe that. I know.

You think they had sex? I think the way the story unfolded before it was on the show gives they did something. And listen, I love Luan. I feel like Luan gets what Luan wants. I need everyone to... That's not true. Yeah, but you didn't go to a bar together.

You ran into a bar and you resented an invitation. I'm saying they didn't watch What Happens Live and You ran into a bar and you resented an invitation. I'm saying they didn't watch what happens live and then they were like, let's go out and we're hanging out. I think he just made out with her. This guy's with something that you would do, does not mean that's what everyone else would do.

You're not Joe. You're not Joe and Joe Bradley gets around. Do you think he did it for the plot or do you think he was like? He says he likes older women, even though he's now dating his coworker. Huge MILF guy.. Huge milk guy. Huge milk guy.

I need everyone to tell Emmy that Will sucks. Why is she so jaded by him? They're like, yeah, Will came into the bar drunk and was talking about how much he hated her and several people have said this. And it's like, why does Emmy not know this yet? So what's weird is that from watching the first season, he was debating whether or not he was going to go to law school or if he was gonna continue a career in restaurants underneath Leva.

And her whole thing was, I wanna ring, I don't wanna work anymore, I wanna have kids and I wanna be a housewife, you go to law school. I don't know what's happening in the second season to where now that we've gotten to this full disconnect because she drinks a lot and she's wild and now she's sober in this season. So that's why I'm like, something happened in season two

that clearly I am missing because Will's not as awful in the first season as he is this season, but also to comment on your girlfriend's body to other people being like, you don't like it? Weird. It's a weird thing for that to be the main focus of your storyline this season. Are you gonna go back and watch?

Oh yeah, I'm binging. I'll probably watch too. Also, I think Maddie, when the Bloons flew away and she had a breakdown was so relatable. I was like, and the fact that Joe was like, we're fucking crying. Like just get more Bloons. That would piss me off even worse.

I would cry even harder if that was your reaction. And such a man's response being like, I'll go, I'll be back in 15 minutes. Be like, that's not how these things work. You have to order them in advance. And party city is closing. I would never. I know you wouldn't.

You would have like jumped up on top of that building and caught him, brought him back down. Parkour it. I will say they moved very slow while those balloons were. They were, they were like, oh no, balloons. They're moving away. I was like, yeah. But no, I absolutely, Maddie,

I would have been sobbing right there with you. Also, nobody helped her set up that party. Yeah, no one did. All he cared about was a sign and then didn't bring tape. Like I would murder for less. Do we know if there's crossover between hospitality and charm? There is. Well, Leva.

Leva Bonaparte is from Southern Charm, made the bar, she owns the bar, which is Southern hospitality. She owns like three bars on the same street. I'm kind of annoyed with TJ. Okay, say more. He's kind of annoying to me. He's the bar she owns the bar, which is Southern Hospitality. She owns like three bars on this show. I'm kind of annoyed with TJ. Okay, say more. He's kind of annoying to me. He's the reason I like the show. Really? I like TJ.

He's nice. I'm always like LT, TJ, hyphenated names. Who's LT? I don't know, who's it gonna be in Southern Charm? Oh, JT? JT? Oh, reverse. JT, TJ.

JT, TJ. I don't know, those guys are always up to no good. Us. You're're hyphenate? AJ, PJ, PJ. CJ. I don't know. Something's off.

Yeah. What are you trying to hide? Your name? After 20, you're done. I don't know, Envy? That's true. No one goes around, I don't say my name is Envy.

Yeah, and it's phonetic. The way it's... I need the name of the company, Envy, spelled E-N-V-Y, cause it was a fun play on words. I need the name of the company and we spelled en V Why because of the fun play on words? No one's going around being like hey envy Yeah, more importantly. I'm not going around making people call me Do like to refer to Nick is Nikki V. I think that's fun Nikki V Nikki V is close to Nikki D Yes, Nikki D Nick Dorca

I think anyone with a Nick Yeah, we forgot about him. Oh yeah, sorry. I did, but the way it's said, I was like, wait. I was like, never heard of that man before in my life, so. Nick, did I ever tell you my brother's name is Nicholas? No. My mom's name is Mary.

That's crazy. Are y'all related? And you're not Catholic, that's crazy. Strong Catholic names there, Mary. Yeah, well, Lutheran. Close. But my mom was raised Catholic. Oh, there you go. Strong Catholic names there, Mary. Yeah, well, Lutheran. Close. But my mom was raised Catholic. Oh, there you go.

Yeah. That makes sense. Also, one thing I wanna say is I do apologize for hyping up Southern Charm. I don't know what the hell is going on this season, but it is been. You said it was your favorite show. It is, it's up there with like Vanderpump Rules,

Southern Charm, and Summer House are like my three favorite go-tos outside of Housewives. And it's like this season has been underwhelming and under delivered. I don't even know what the main story is. We're spending way too much time on JT and Miss Pat. They are not main character energies. I do not understand what is happening.

And if I have to watch Craig pick up his backyard one more time, I will lose it. I'm like, it used to be spicy. It used to be fun. And I feel like- The first season is insane. It's kind of selfish of Paige to not, to break up with Craig now.

She should have broke up with him before filming. Because again, we have Summer House that's gonna be coming on after this, which I think we might be seeing some of that at least, or maybe like a pre, no, because they broke up like last week. So everything's just gonna be completely fine during the entire season of Summer House, even though we all know.

Summer House, I think, is gonna be very good. Oh yeah, it has to be. You know, you got Ciara and West, you know, how's that unfold? You got Lindsay's pregnant, you know? You got Carl, is he dating? There's a lot of, you know, you got Kyle's DJing, you know, you got a couple of two new girls.

There's a lot of meat on that bone. And you look at Southern Charm, and it was like Olivia left. Last season, it was the whole season, the drama really was the Olivia- Taylor. Taylor love triangle, Austin, whatever, Shep, but that's all kind of been cleaned up,

got rid of Olivia. And they're trying to tell us backstory of things that have happened off camera in the past, but I'm like, it's not feeding to the storyline right now. I don't care that they sexted. I don't care that she slept, like one girl slept with Shep and kicked him out. Like if it's not gonna relate

to how their storylines are playing in, or she's not going after Shep in his relationship, then like, why are we talking about this? It's giving and it's giving Roni. Yeah, it's giving. It's, I think they're just too mature at this point. Like I- Which I respect.

Yeah. Yeah. Like they've outgrown the drama of the show. Craig needs an HGTV show. Like I'd watch that, you know, which really makes you give props to the people at summer house because whether they're having babies or, or whatever's going on, you know, keep it married, married couples, just, they, they show up and work. Truth.

Truth. Truth. W-E-R. Cause I'd rather watch people let loose on a weekend than just like, oh, this is me, this is my garden. Okay. Well, we'll keep watching. That does it for us today.

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