The Viall Files - E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces

Episode Date: January 14, 2025

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Ontario What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the VyLFiles Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick. We are safe and sound. Thankfully, it's been a wild, wild few days here in LA. Obviously everyone in the country and the world knows about the fires. It really has been, I'm assuming you all feel the same way,

but it was very much giving, like, if you were in LA, which I think all of us were safe inside, obviously, because the air quality was pretty scary for a while, but it was giving, like, the first couple days of COVID. You know, going to the grocery store, everyone's wearing masks again, like grocery store, like shelves felt pretty picked through at times, people buying large amounts of water, very eerie feeling, obviously very scary. Thankfully, we are okay. So many other people have not been, obviously,

a lot of people have lost homes, you know, so many thousands of people have lost homes. Sadly, people have lost their lives. It's really very tragic, but hopefully things are getting better. We have some wind in the forecast this week, so we'll see how it goes. But yeah, it's been crazy. I don't know, I've been seeing a lot of chatter online and critiquing online.

I feel like this is when the people love to critique influencers and celebrities, and especially people who, quite frankly, aren't even in LA, I feel like are the loudest. But it's like, I've heard a lot of people say that like, influencers are handling this wrong, right? Like there are some who are leaving town and flying to a different state, you know, and they're running away. And then there's the people who are posting and like, donate, donate, here's everything I'm donating, I'm going and buying this and donating this. And it's like, you're such a pick me, you're

trying to get clout. And then it's people and donating this. And it's like, you're such a pick me, you're trying to get clout. And then it's people who aren't posting and it's like, what are you doing? There's just so much criticism around everyone's moves right now. And I feel like there's no rule book or right way to deal with or cope with or live through devastation and traumatic experiences.

And it's like, for people to critique what people are doing, it's like, if you left town because you were scared, like that's fine. You should learn from fires. If you like stayed and you went to Costco and you bought a bunch of stuff or you took a bunch of donations

and you helped a bunch of people and you posted it all over the internet, that's fine. If you did all of that, but didn't post it, that's fine. You know what's not helpful? Your criticisms. Yep. It's just like, I just feel like people are so quick but didn't post it, that's fine. You know what's not helpful? Your criticisms. Yep. It's just like, I just feel like people are so quick

to use these moments to be like, see, that's why I hate that influencer because she hasn't posted one single thing, this whole fire. And it's like, probably because, I don't know, she's scared, she's with her family, she's trying to protect herself. It's like, at the very least, everyone in LA experienced some sort of sleep deprivation, anxiety, smoke inhalation.

We all were sitting wondering, are we next? I feel like everyone had this sense of, should we pack it to go back? I'm running around our house being like, what are our prized possessions? What are stuff that we can't replace? And that's a really scary feeling to just even have to think about that. There's just no right or wrong way.

And even for the people who are posting like normal, people are mad at them. And it's like, they're just trying to experience some sort of normality. And I think there is guilt around that normality. It's like, I was like, oh, should I stop and get a coffee this morning? And then I was like this sense of guilt of like, oh my God, why would I stop and get a coffee? Like, there's people who, you know, I was like, oh should I stop and get a coffee this morning? And then I was like this sense of guilt of like, oh my god

Why would I stop and get a coffee like there's people who you're like, yeah I don't know how you guys feel cuz there's a there's a iridescent like are we supposed to like act normal now? Like what is the protocol here? You wake up each day some days. There's clouds in the sky some days It's like the skies are clear. It's yeah, it's very uncertain here Yeah, it's and for us like, you know now they uh, and for us, like, you know, Nally mentioned, like we, Nally packed like a, like a to go bag. This particular fire has been a historical travesty, but like it's, it's obviously gotten out of control. There's a lot of dialogue about how that happened, but like for it to have gotten as close as it was, was terrifying because in all the

years that I've lived here, we are aware of the fires going on, you know, but for for people in LA, you just where we lived, it was never really something that we had to worry about. And now that we do, it's it's a new everyone in LA is just not sure what's going on. And then you have reports of arson, you know, a lot of these fires have been started by arsonists. It's a really scary time. And yeah, so obviously, think about everyone affected, but you make a great point. Like, I don't know, that's just the internet. Everyone wants to jump on and have an opinion,

especially when they're not even here. Like, you don't even know what's going on. It's also with like the celebrities, you know, it's like Kim Kardashian is posting nonstop about this and that and resources. And it's like, how do you know she hasn't donated a bunch? Like, just because people aren't posting that they're donating doesn't mean they're not donating.

Because if they posted they donated, then you're also- Then people are like, oh my God, you're so picky, you're only doing- Is that all you donated? But like, it's like when people film themselves helping homeless people, it's like, you're only doing that to have a video or to help, you know?

But it's like, people feel like if they don't record it and don't post it, then people are gonna think they're not helping and they're not doing anything. I also think there's a misconception that it's only rich people being affected by these fires, where it's like these are people that have inherited homes that couldn't even afford to buy this home currently or like just normal people in general.

Could barely afford the property taxes on them. Yeah, so it's like, it's everybody. A lot of it was like rent controlled apartments that people had lived in for 30, 40, 50 years that had just, that's all they could afford. Altadena and Pasadena are just like normal communities that have just been like absolutely devastated. I've seen like as far as like the community in LA,

just like enormous amounts of like empathy and care for each other, which is kind of like, I guess in a really messed up way, like some sort of silver lining of this, have basic empathy for people who have gone through utter destruction and the worst thing that could happen. It's all it takes, is just to be like, I don't know, maybe you wouldn't handle it that way,

but you're not here and you're not living through this. And so I just don't think there's a rule book to this type of stuff. There's a lot of crazy stories out there. We do have a great episode coming up. We do have Dorinda from Traaders joining us later this episode. Sadly, if you are watching Traders, we are. We're gonna talk about it obviously with Dorinda.

Really entertaining. Sadly, Dorinda was already voted off. Lots of discussions and dialogue on that, but she joins us later in the show. This is obviously a very tragic time for LA and there's a lot of sad stories, but we do want to try to focus on more positive stories. I mean, there's a lot of sad stories, but we do wanna try to focus on the more positive stories. I mean, there's not much positives, there's always, you know, but there have been some community members

that have been heroes dealing with this tragedy. And one of them, his name is Alec Gellis. His girlfriend, Kelly, sadly lost her house. He has been fighting fires. He had to deal with the Franklin fire that was a few weeks ago to try to save his house and a few of his neighbor's houses. And then when this fire happened,

he was once again fighting fires and literally putting his life on the line. Sadly, his girlfriend lost her house in the fire. It was definitely an act of bravery that he put out, and he is so gracious enough to join us and share a little bit of his story. So welcome to the show, Alec. Hey, Alec, welcome to the show.

How you doing, man? What's up guys? How's everybody? Nice to meet everybody. Nice to meet you as well. We are okay. Obviously, first off, we want to start by giving you our condolences.

Kelly, obviously your girlfriend, she couldn't be with us. She lost her house, but you've been dealing with some pretty sad tragedy over the past few weeks. So we just, and foremost appreciate you taking the time man. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah, I appreciate it's been a wild couple months and Yeah, yeah, so I we kind of insured you but can you in your own word? Just kind of explain what the past couple months has been like starting with back when you started just dealing with the Franklin fire Yeah, so about three months ago, there was a fire in Malibu, one house burned on Malibu Road.

And then the next month there was a Franklin fire that kind of ripped through. It came into Sarah retreat, where I live was kind of like ground zero. So we were prepared with the pumps and the pools and those gas powered generators. And we're able to put out the fires here at our place and then the neighbors houses, Patrick Dempsey's, Dick Van Dyke and a couple

other people. And that Franklin fire burned through all the brush here. And then so when the Palisades fire came, it ripped through the Palisades up to Malibu and it basically stopped burning when it got into my neighborhood because everything had already burned. But it came through Kelly's. I was over there, did everything that I could to put it out. It was so much wind, so much ember, so much fire.

There wasn't anything I could do. There was no oxygen in the air. So I basically just had to get out of there. Scary man. Like, so, when you were fighting this fire, and obviously how much, you know, you were successful a few weeks ago, I mean, is this something you were just kind of figuring out on the fly? Did you have experience fighting these types of fires from the past? And what made you realize that, hey, I just need to get the heck out of there?

Obviously you mentioned no oxygen, but yeah, what even made you think that, oh shit, let's just get the fuck out of here right now as opposed to just trying to fight the fire? Yeah, so these wildfires in Malibu, they happen every 10 years or so. I mean, there's historically always been these crazy fires that come through. So the people that have been residents for a while

know that you gotta to be prepared. If you can stay and put out spot fires as embers land in trees and bushes, you can a lot of the time save your home. And a lot of people were able to save their homes. I've been seeing a lot of really cool videos of people with their hoses, with the pumps saving their homes. But sometimes too much fire comes through and there's just, it's just not something that you can stay through.

So it got to a point where I'm there. It's like literally like a blizzard of like murder hornets that are on fire, just like stinging me. Oh man. And, uh, I, and there's, I can't breathe. Um, I'm suffocating. So I just basically sprinted to my car. Oh, that's so scary.

Did you incur any injuries at all while fighting these fires? No, no injuries, luckily. Oh, thank God. Where was Kelly when you were trying to put out the fire in her house? Was she also there? So, yeah, so we were up at her place.

We basically just watered it down. We were just kind of spraying all the hedges and like the roof and everything and just making sure it was all soaking wet. Then if a fire came, it was like an ember lands on it. It just goes out right away. Sure. And when the fire came over the hill, it got too close and she just didn't feel safe, so I just, um, uh, drove her over to my place really quick and then came

back and, um, the cops almost didn't let me in. I had to fight two cops, got in a screaming argument with two cops to get back in and one of them chased me back up to the house and eventually was just like, dude, you're fucking crazy and just left. Basically, yeah, that's what happened. Man, that is really sad. How is Kelly doing? I mean, I couldn't even imagine what it's like to lose a house.

I wouldn't even know where to begin. Was she able to get her most valuable possessions out or what did that look like? She got some stuff out, but pretty much lost everything. And it was a really special cottage that she was renting. And she has this really epic fairy vibe, creative. And it was just such a special place to chill. And it was her dream home that she'd been seeing,

driving in and out of Malibu for years, and then just happened to end up being able to rent it and she'd only been there since April so it was it's just like super devastating so she's really sad just been trying to like stay positive and kind of look to the future and avoid looking in the rearview mirror and just see all the opportunities going forward and like all the cool travel possibilities and like trying to just kind of like see like the like blue ocean ahead. Yeah, I mean, that's all you can do

is try to be positive. What are other people in your community experiencing? It's super crazy here. So the challenge with Malibu is there's so many regulatory agencies that make it almost impossible to rebuild your home. So there's many homes that haven't even been able to be rebuilt since Woolsey Fire. So especially these houses on the beach are especially difficult to build.

So most of these houses are from the 70s or even earlier, and they're people that are older who have the tax basis from a long time ago. So they probably won't be able to rebuild. Most of them are under insured or the insurance drop them because the area is so fire prone. So most of these people really like lost everything and it may take a decade or more for them to rebuild. So essentially it's just a complete loss

because they won't be able to sustain holding the property. So it's hard to tell what's gonna happen to a lot of these homes. Probably they're just gonna turn into mega billionaire compounds that's gonna be kinda crazy. But yeah, it's really gonna change the community a lot, especially in that area. And so the half of Malibu that burned

was the half that didn't burn in Woolsey, so it's just like, whoa. Man. What is the PCH in Malibu like right now? I mean, we obviously haven't been down there. It's like a nuke town. It used to be one of the prettiest drives, maybe in the world, and now, I mean, again,

like now I say we haven't been there, I can't even imagine what it's like, the devastation and like an apocalyptic type of movie. Yeah, apocalyptic movie, like bombs were dropped. Oh my God. Man. Not to be in the forties. Yeah.

So you live in a community where you saved Patrick Dempsey and Dick Van Dyke's house. Yeah. So is that just, you just got out and you started spraying their house as well? Yeah, so we had like these like fire hoses and we like soaked our house and the Franklin fire was a whole nother beast.

So it was like, it was just going through the brush. It wasn't catching houses on fire. So the embers that landed were much easier to put out. There wasn't as much fire. There wasn't as much force or wind behind the fires. So I was able to do a lot of good at neighbors houses with just like their garden hoses or their sprinklers or like one neighbor had like a fire hose like pool system like we did. And it was much easier. But with this, it's like a house catches on fire with like levels and so many layers of like wood and different

materials. It's like, that's not going to get put out with a with a with a hose garden hose. Yeah. Does Kelly have any sort of GoFundMe or place that our audience and our listeners can donate to since I mean, she's just lost absolutely everything. Definitely. Yeah, please go to her Instagram. It's at Kelly Lauren and her links in her bio and the GoFundMe is help Kelly rebuild

from the Palisades fire. Okay. All right. Yeah. We'll make sure we put that in our show notes as well. Man, it's such a sad situation. We really appreciate you taking the time. Is there anything you want to leave us with, you know, in terms of, I don't know, of any

inspiration or just words of wisdom? I don't think this is, you know, we're not even completely out of it yet. We obviously have some wind advisories this week as well. So it's definitely kind of still wait and see. But, you know, what can you leave us with Alec? Yeah, I mean, it's so important just to live with gratitude and just be positive, enjoy every moment because it can all change so fast. And also it's an opportunity just to break the routine and be flexible. And I mean that in a way that's not insensitive. And I mean, it's just tough because so many people's dream homes were in LA that they got. But yeah, I hope everyone can just stay strong and stay positive that they're alive

and just be free to go forward with their future with nothing holding them back if they lost something. Well, like I definitely feel like you are seen as a hero. I hope you feel that. I hope your neighbors feel that. I hope Kelly feels that. I mean, for you to step up and try to help all these people is really inspirational.

And honestly, like I just just wanna say thank you, even though it wasn't me you were helping. I appreciate it. Yeah, nice to meet everybody. Thanks for having me on. Yeah, thank you, Alec. Best of luck. Give Kelly our best, and thank you for your heroism.

Thanks, guys. All right, take care, buddy. Bye. Well, on a more positive note, obviously still with tragedy, friends of the show, Spencer Pratt and Heidi Montag, they also sadly lost their house. But in a kind of twist of positivity, Spencer trying to raise money to help pay

for their lost house, asked fans to support his wife's hit song, I'll Do It, and the fans pulled through. I think it's always been Heidi's dream to be like a pop star. And so I think the fact that Spencer's been able to get all of the support and have all of these people rally behind and stream I'll Do It

and her album Superficial and make her number one on the charts and make her this pop star she's always dreamed of being. It's really great. It's really great. It's a really cool story. We wanna keep supporting it. They're number one on iTunes now.

I think we're trying to get them also to number one on Spotify and on the Billboard charts as a whole. The job is not done. We still need to go out and try to support Heidi and Spencer Song. I mean, for one, we just wanna support them. They literally lost their house. And two, I mean, it's a good story.

And we need stories like this of inspiration and positivity in the face of tragedy. And it's been really cool to see their fans and their supporters come together to support Heidi and their song. And it's a catchy song. And a lot of other celebrities, and Rada posted about it being like,

it's the new song of the summer. It's gonna be the 2025 song of the summer. Flavor Flav is supporting it. Pitbull said that he's gonna drop a verse on it too. Pitbull, so I mean, we're really going here and it's really taking off. It's cool too, because Heidi had a quote back in 2010 where she said, if this album doesn't blow up next week,

maybe it's next year, maybe it's like 14 years later. I think she said that when they were here. Yeah, she said it again, that's just always been her approach. That's always been her kind of approach, you never really know. They also have two young boys, which, you know, I don't know if everyone knows, but it is, I mean, it's just so heartbreaking

that these young boys. No, it's devastating. I mean, you know, adults, I mean, even adults, like when you're talking to Alec, I mean, he seems to be trying to have a positive spin, but this is traumatic and it's terrible and it affects you, but when you have, for the kids. How do you explain that?

They have what, a two year old? Like what's their youngest? Two? Old enough to remember, I think, so. I mean old enough to remember their room and their toys and like their favorite hide and seek places in their house and all of that is gone and it's so sad. So Justin, what is the name of the album

if they wanna go buy the whole album? Superficial. Superficial. So whether it's is the name of the album if they wanna go buy the whole album? Superficial. Superficial. So whether it's on iTunes, Spotify, wherever you want, go support Heidi and Spencer and download Heidi's hit song, I'll Do It. Or stream it, just listen. Just listen.

Just listen. On repeat, as Spencer said, you can have the volume low and you don't even have to listen to it if it's not your taste, but still stream it. Give it five stars. And then, speaking of the assholes out there, I posted about it, I think the other day,

and then a couple of people were like, oh, it's only got two stars. Like literally go fuck yourself. Like no one cares about the stars. Like it's number one. Like how many of you all had a number one song? I haven't. I have in my heart.

There you go. Anyways, on a not so positive note, Justin got a parking ticket during the fires. Yeah, can I have a little second on this? You can have a second. Justin, take a second. I've decided this is the hill I'm gonna die on. Basically, my partner had to evacuate the Hollywood area,

mandatory evacuation during the Sunset Fire. Came to my house that night. I moved my car out of my parking spot onto the street so he could have it. Just as timing wise. And you're just a good lover. And my good lover. I wake up and I move my car two minutes after the like street sweeping sign,

whatever notice, I get a ticket two minutes after during the evacuations, mandatory evacuations, there's ash falling from the sky. So first of all, I'm like, what are we sweeping? First of all, what are you sweeping? There's not a single car in sight sweeping the streets. Also, what are you going to sweep? And then I'm like, and so now we're ticketing people, victims of the fire that are evacuating because you told them to evacuate. I saw a picture the other day that's it was someone who evacuated from Palisades, put

a sign in their car on the window that said, just evacuated last night from the Palisades. Please do not take it. They ticketed it, put the ticket right on top of the sign. Are you kidding me? So it's like, yeah, I saw that. I contested the ticket and I'm willing to use these words. I said, it's extremely inhumane and ignorant to be ticketing people while you're telling them

to evacuate. That. Is there any other inspirational stories that we could share? Yeah, I think there's a lot of people who are stepping up and being on the front lines. I mean, first and foremost, all of the firefighters who have been on the front lines for days and days and days and have not slept and in the people from Canada and the people from Mexico and all of all the volunteers all the local businesses and

Restaurants and people who have been donating food and and catering food all the people who have done anything they could to help we appreciate them there's so many brands also who are sending baby formula and baby clothes and just so many things to people who've lost and I think just all of those people just deserve to be thanked and recognized for sure. I've never been so proud to live in LA. Same. Yeah. All right, household headlines.

Before we get into household headlines, I need a follow up on the fast, Nick. It was successful. I lasted three days of no eating, and on the fourth day I did fruit all day. What? What? I feel like I also participated in this fast

by not even signing up. Let me rephrase. Nick and Natalie, how did you pass? Thank you. Thank you, because Nick. I'll shut the fuck up. I got wild side eyes. Groundbreaking to some of you, but Nick is the cook of our family

and he was not cooking. He wasn't making his girl dinner while he was on his fast? Well, I felt like it was fucked up for me to be like, could you like make me a steak while you're not eating? You know, like that's fucked up. I did for the- Well, it's his choice to do the fast. On the last night, I did.

Pick up John and Vinny's for her. He did do that one. And that was a hard car ride home. Yeah. Let me tell you. I also popped- With a delicious pepperoni pizza, just drooling. Just your choice while driving.

I understood, but day three was better. I tell you what, listen, again, I am not offering medical advice out there for anyone, to be clear, but yeah, I found it to be very beneficial for me. It really helped with inflammation. I feel like a little. Spells?

Knees? Snatched? Just a little less puffy. But yeah, it's also most importantly, there's a lot of things, I haven't had any sugar since, I haven't had any coffee since, and I also haven't indulged in any extracurricular activities ever since.

Are you back on solid food? Yeah, so on Friday I did a fruit cleanse and then I ate a real dinner on Friday night. So in three days without eating anything and then I had a bunch of oranges all day on Friday and then we had kale salad Friday night and then the weekend I ate like a normal person. But more than anything it helps with cravings.

So it kind of cleanses your body of cravings for sugar and anything else you might be slightly addicted to, like caffeine or other stuff. And I've been pretty clean ever since, so yay for me. Next headline is US Weekly, Source says, and it's Natalie. No. I have a fucking source. Next headline is US Weekly, source says, and it's Natalie. I love how that turned into news in the midst of a city burning down. I can't believe that was news in the midst of the city burning down.

But once again, I'm not offering medical advice, but they also called it controversial. Fasting isn't controversial. So stupid. People fast all the time for many different reasons. Fasting is very healthy for you. Again, talk to your medical professional if you ever want to. I fasted without consent.

I think it's something that we need to know. Fasting, that is not okay. Yeah, I gave no consent to the fast that I was a part of. I mean, one night all I had was cinnamon raisin English muffin. Wow. Anything on it? Cream cheese. You scared me.

Cream cheese. Okay. He wasn't going to the grocery store either? He wasn't. He was not cooking, chefing it up like he once was. I'll tell you what though, Natalie is selling herself short.

Well, she doesn't cook for us. She is an excellent cook for our daughter, River. She makes the best girl dinners for River. Like every meal, River has this little, cute little girl dinner and it's got like a little protein, a little vegetable, a little, maybe some cottage cheese. It's really, I mean, our daughter eats well. She does.

Which is good. That's honestly the only reason I was having any substance at all was because I wasn't having to cook for River and I was eating her leftovers and the stuff she didn't eat. So thank God we have a kid or I don't know if I'd be standing today. Well, we are okay. We've all gotten a terrible pimple before going on a date

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I think people are leaking phone calls with her and like voice memos. Friends of Stephen are on the phone with her. I don't know, it's tough. And then Stephen's stepdaughter, her first daughter that Stephen adopted spoke out, which I guess my only response to that is I'm really sad that a 16 year old has to be put into this. I mean, maybe whether it's her choice or not, but I feel uncomfortable that a 16 year old

is participating in this very public family drama. That's really all I have to say about that. I know she gave some explanations as to why she was, you know, she was very much defending her mom, but I don't know, man. Like, and then this leaked video, Alison is talking to, you know, allegedly a friend of Stephen's, and she did not back down from making her, his family sign an NDA. I don't know. I don't know. Justin, you seem to understand it. I don't understand it. I just don't know how you make his mom sign an NDA. I'm not talking about extended family. I'm not talking about cousins or people you don't know, but like, and she didn't back down.

I just feel like the only way you make someone's mother whose son just passed away, sign an NDA, either like they're not close at all, or you're out of touch. I don't know. It just. I don't know if understands the right word for me, but I can see that I think there's two sides to this in the sense of once her daughter spoke out, it was very much like his family wasn't close to him. There's all these people leaking headlines saying things when like they weren't even around him when he was alive and aren't around him now. And it's like, she very much said that the NDAs were something that was agreed upon before he passed. It was like every event she very much said that the NDAs were something that was agreed upon

before he passed. It was like every event they hosted, there was always NDAs. That's a weird thing to say. She asked him to sign them for parties, comparing a party to a funeral. Well, and she said the reason Alison had the NDA was because she didn't want people to be taking pictures of the body. Like that was the one thing during this time that she didn't want headlines to be like publishing photos. I mean, that totally makes sense. And I think that's valid for sure for everyone. Yeah. Yeah, for everyone but his mom. If she wants to take a photo of her son in a casket, she should have every right.

And like, I don't know, like her daughter speaking out, I'm assuming she is just speaking the rhetoric of her mom. Like, I don't know. It's just. Well, she's obviously going to want to support her mom when her mom's like, I don't know. It's just. Well, she's obviously gonna wanna support her mom when her mom's going through a time. I do wanna clarify too, she said that not everybody signed the NDA, so it wasn't like. She asked everyone to sign the NDA. She asked everyone to, her mom was lenient

because she understood that it was like, the situation was someone lost her life. Like, it wasn't, she was forcing people is what the daughter said. Has his mom said anything or has she has? His mom did speak out like before Alison apologized and before the daughter spoke out. What did she say?

Our family is absolutely appalled by the misleading and hurtful claims made about my son, Steven Boss. The recent publication spreading untruths about Steven has crossed every line of decency. As his mother, I will not let these accusations go unanswered. We will not stand by while his name and legacy are tarnished. He doesn't deserve this and the kids don't deserve this. For the last two years, I have remained quiet and away from the public, I, to protect my family.

My primary focus has been on healing and attempting to remain connected to my grandchildren, but when I read these dreadful claims about my baby, our beloved Stephen, I realized I could no longer stay silent. Our family will ensure his name and memory are protected, and we are committed to defending his honor signed Connie boss Alexander I mean just fame affects people in all sorts of different ways and It's just a weird thing but I do know Austin's apology included like promoting her book and

The foundation that she started to so I know people are criticizing that as well Aren't all proceeds of the book going to like a charity her foundation that she runs Yeah, which honor it's just it doesn't not still create questions. Yes all proceeds of the book going to like a charity? The charity. No, to her foundation that she runs. Which, I don't know, it doesn't not still create questions. Questions, yes. At best, it just gives a little bit out of touch. It gives like you don't understand our world and this is why we did what we did, but he has passed.

I think there's like a very thin line of her being able to share her story and share what she went through and give advice and help the people who are going through similar things. And that very thin line, the other side of it is like outing your dead husband's demons. Without the permission of anyone else

in deciding that it's, you know, the buck stops with you. It's just like, you know, obviously I don't know this family, but like, did his mom know that that happened to him as a kid, you know, or did she read it in your book? Like, did people in his life know these things about him, or are you sharing it to them for the first time and they don't get to have any conversation with him about it and they just have to like,

deal with their lasting memory of him not be what they thought it was and now it's this perception you've written about. And we've talked about this. We obviously have met Allison and have nothing but very positive experiences with Allison and I think it's safe to say that she had the best intentions but we know that sometimes

you can have the best intentions and still deserve criticism. And sometimes you can have the best intentions and still deserve criticism. And sometimes you can have the best intentions and you can still like reflect and maybe acknowledge that like you could have done things differently. The hardest part for me was listening to that leak video and have her at the end very steadfast or very kind of like defiant being like, I would do it again over and over and over referencing asking his mom to sign an NDA. And I just like in what world at this point

could you not just say, hey, maybe that wasn't the best choice. I mean, in that same video, she talked about how people have praised her for how she's handled this. I don't know who they is. I'm assuming she's talking about the internet or like her agents or friends.

I don't know, but like certainly none of Steven's family is praising her for how she's handled this. And I think close or not, like that's not an excuse to not be considerate to how this is affecting people outside of her world. It's a tough story. And I hate that it's happened for this family. I hate that it's happened for this family. I hate that it's happened for Alison and her family. And I hate that her 16 year old daughter

is forced into this drama. It's a tough situation. It's also a tough situation because Rachel Lindsay has to pay her ex, Brian, $500 in- 500,000. We wish, we wish. Big difference. No, I'm not good at math.

$500,000 in the divorce and how they'll split, this is my favorite part, how they'll split their homes, jewelry and Honda Accord. He's getting the Honda Accord. Just fucking give him the Honda Accord, yeah. She could love that Honda Accord. I think he got the Honda Accord. I feel like Rachel put that in there on purpose,

the Honda Accord. Yeah, just so you know, after we're divorced, he's driving a Honda Accord. The couple's vehicles will also be split between them, with Abba Solo taking the 2021 Honda Accord, while Lindsay takes the 2023 Porsche Macan. Get it, bitch. Should we go through it? So basically, he'll get the Miami condo, she's going to get the LA home in North Hollywood.

Both of them are keeping their wedding bands and watches, or presumably gifts that they gave to each other. She'll keep the engagement ring and paintings from the bachelorette. And then basically, per the settlement, the $39,771 she has already paid to her ex-husband as spousal support will be deducted from the payment, which is the 500,000, leaving Lindsay

with a total of 460,229 owed to him. And the first half of the payment, which is $230,114.50, must be paid to him by January 17th. Wow. That's so quick. I mean, it is what it is, I guess. I don't know. It's a lot of money.

He did also waive his right to any further spousal support. So he was like, you know what? This 500K is good. Thanks. This is why it's rumored that Noah Baumbach, Greta Gerwig's husband, made Madagascar because he was going through a divorce. What a great-

I know, I know. It's just funny. Like he popped off. It's funny when people- He's like, I'm gonna make this Madagascar movie because I need- And then box off his fucking hit. Yeah.

Classic. I think it might've been Madagascar 3. I don't remember. But it's just funny because Yeah, it did. It's funny because people talk about the like dumb stuff people will do to like pay off their divorce But then to see the numbers right up front of you and see the time frame you're like oh, yeah I'd make Madagascar 3. I would make Madagascar 3 too and Rachel Lindsay whatever you need to do I'm gonna support you in doing that well Well, speaking of poorly timed clap backs,

Zach Bryan finally decided to speak out amidst the breakup between him and Brianna. I think it was valid. I think this was valid timing. I think this was- During the fire? Oh, I mean, he doesn't live in California. He's not like-

He referenced the fire. This is, okay. He referenced the fire. He's just using a lot of words that are just like, you are a trainer, so. Okay, all I'm saying is, I think he's doing what everyone does, He doesn't live in California. He's not like- He referenced the fire. He referenced the fire. He's just using a lot of words that are just like, PR trainer. All I'm saying is I think he's doing what everyone does when people like you just did of like,

we're picking up press about my fast. There's bigger things going on in the world. Like, yeah, it's like, let's focus on the more important things in the world. And not like these people on TikTok are doing deep fucking dives on every person that Zach is like in a room with. And these are from his words, his friends of years.

And they're stalking these people. They're commenting on these people. They're making these viral videos being like this fucking whore. She's like, whatever, whatever, whatever. And she's with Zach and she's doing this and this is his new girlfriend and she's ugly and she's fat and she's stupid and she's dumb.

And he's like, these are my friends. Like these have been my friends for 20 years or however's, and he's like, these are my friends. Like these have been my friends for 20 years or however long and he's like, leave my friends alone. Like you can hate me all you want, but leave my friends alone. And I think he's valid in it. Is this still related to the Brianna breakup or is there, oh, so these are just family?

He was very silent, kind of almost shockingly silent. Like just, she was out there saying he did this, he did that, blah, blah, blah. And he was out there posting like. My dog in my truck. Yeah, just like nothing's going on, you know, which I think a lot of people found triggering. And then, you know, as Nellie pointed out,

I didn't realize that was going on. The internet was toxic. He did, yeah, this didn't just come out of nowhere where he's like, oh, it's finally my time to address it. Like here's my five story post. Was there a new headline? It was crazy. I mean, it was on my TikTok timeline

where I'm like, these people are mean. What stuck out to me was whether you think I suck or not, stopping such a sad and fat fingered internet sleuth to my friends. Fat fingered is very bad. That's a drag. That's a deep, deep cut drag. He was just choosing words that I'm like, I feel like we could have PR trained this

a little more, but you're clearly passionate about defending your friend. Yeah, he's clearly passionate about defending his friend. You are a songwriter. He is certainly typing. He is protecting his friends, but did not want to protect his girlfriend at the time, which you know. I feel like the best thing to do in these situations is like, let's say, okay, for the Zach Brian thing, he does this,

it's shitty, stop talking about him. Don't give him the spotlight. Don't give him the time of day. People aren't smart enough. They're not smart enough. That's what's so confusing. That's the way to, that's like the way, don't like give him more attention after this. Let him fade off and then like write his sad little songs about it. Yeah, they'll never get that. That's what's so confusing. I'm like, is that Brianna's moved on? So I'm like, why are you guys still so focused on him? I don't know if she's moved on. She posted a video with a new guy.

Oh, maybe, maybe like physically she's moved on. She has, yeah, we're, I mean, there's, we're still doing podcast episodes on it at this point. She is still talking about it. Okay. At the Golden Globes and the red carpet. I take back what I said. It's just not on my algorithm.

At the Globes? At the Globes. She's also still being asked about it also, it's just not on my algorithm. At the Globes? At the Globes, the interviewer. She's also still being asked about it also. That's true. That is true, but there's a way to answer where you seem like, okay, I've moved on, I don't give a fuck anymore,

I'm not letting him control my life anymore. Yeah, she definitely could say, listen. She had a response of like, I want a new boyfriend that has hair and height and is not, you know. She's allowed. I did see that. Yeah, she's still digging. She's definitely not taking the high road.

She doesn't have to take the high road. No, she absolutely does not. But she is feeling the fire and she is not choosing peace. And, you know, she can do whatever the fuck she wants, but like, you know, at this point, you know, it's a- His friends being harassed is like, that crosses a lot of lines. Yeah, it was really bad.

And people should be normal. It was really bad. I feel like Brianna crosses a lot of lines. Yeah, it was really bad. And people should be normal. It was really bad. I feel like Brianna has said what she needed to say, and at this point, if she is saying more, it's hard not to assume she's capitalizing on said breakup. Yeah, do you think her dad thinks that she's gonna be okay in the breakup?

Because Tom Holland's dad. I was like, I actually don't know anything about her dad. I've never heard him. Tom Holland's dad is confident actor's relationship with Zendaya will last despite strain of, quote, combined stardom. As he should. He said this on his Patreon. He has a... Tom Holland's dad? That's the funniest thing to me. I don't know what the Patreon is or what they sell, but like...

He's working. If I'm Tommy Spider-Man, I'm gonna gonna be like dad. I got you. Yeah, I don't Okay, but patreon maybe he has like a passion project that he's working on that like, you know He wants to make he wants to be independent of his son financially that still requires an answer Tom maybe he's excited Listen, he said okay. Well, he, I do fret that their combined stardom will amplify their spotlight and the commensurate demands on them.

And yet they continually confound me by handling everything with aplomb. What are these words? These British. These British. Show business is a messy place for relationships. And particularly so for famous couples as they crash and burn in public

and are too numerous to mention. With Nikki helming this family and my wisdom on tap and a study in getting things mostly wrong and yet somehow right at the same time, I am completely confident they will make a successful union. He could have just been like, listen, I'm team Tom and Zendaya. They love each other. If my parents started a Patreon, that would give me the greatest amount of anxiety. So props to Tom for even being able to be okay with that.

Props to Tom's dad for using the word aplomb. There you go. I love it. And also props to Tom Sandoval for hiring a lawyer again. For his own sake. I wonder if he had one law meeting where he was like, I'm fucked. I got to hire someone, you know, like one court hearing. Well, he just kept probably saying object and they said that that doesn't apply here. Yeah.

Do you think it's because he's on this like rebrand tour with traders? I don't know. That he's trying to rehabilitate his image. How is his image on trade with traders? I don't know, but it's Tom's logic. I don't know if there's a rebrand. Tom is consistent. Well, you know who we could ask? Dorinda Medway.

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Doreinda! So excited to have you on the show. How are you doing? I'm good, I'm good. Let me put a little light on here because I'll be honest with you. I didn't, you know, Mondays for me at this point in my life, I just had an extended weekend. I don't even I didn't, you know, Mondays for me at this point in my life, I just did an

extended weekend. I don't even really acknowledge Mondays. I just keep blowing right into the weekend until Tuesdays when life starts for me now. Dorinda, I just, right off the bat, I just want to say I aspire to be able to have that life someday. So thank you for that goal. Well, I've earned it, believe me. Yes, you have.

Yes, you have. You've agreed to something. You have to also take on the years of aging. So that's the only goal. Well, I've earned it, believe me. Yes, you have. Yes, you are into something. You have to also take on the years of aging. So that's really not, nothing comes for free. Well, you look great, if I may say so. Oh, thank you. Well, first of all, we're just like, we're so happy you're here, but so devastated as all of Bravo Nation.

I know, I know. Here he is. I wanna hear him, I'll give you a couple of secrets. I don't read any comments and I didn't even watch the, when I was on Housewives, I never watched it until the reunion. Because I just, as a Catholic, I prefer to live in denial. It's worked very well.

Yeah, no, I was also raised Catholic. I also don't read comments. So maybe that's where it comes from. Yeah, we love that. But the good news is I have a ton of friends from the LGBTQ world and all my friends at NBC and all my people that reach out to me that send me endless... It's really become... Obviously, I was devastated when it happened and completely taken aback because I didn't

even think I was there long enough to be disliked, right? Because we were just starting and I had the wardrobe, I had the strategy, I read Art of War, my daughter had written tons of instruction books, you know, and everything to do. I mean, I was ready. And to tell you the truth, the woman that killed me,

I think I said good morning to her maybe twice. I think it's because you're a star. I mean, I think you're the brightest star in the room. Well, I think that early, I don't know. I don't know why people made the decisions that... Did you ever hear why you got voted off from the Traders? You know, I do think a little bit, and I don't know if this is true, so it's just my opinion.

But, well, first of all, for some reason, I thought the Vile Files was Vicky's podcast. That's okay. Who's Ricky? Vicky. Oh, Vicky. Oh, Vicky. Vicky wants me to be on her podcast? That seems like an odd pairing, but okay. Yeah. Well, that's great. That's great. Thank you for putting us on the map Vicky

Nothing coming from me because you know I I don't I'm not a big podcaster because you know I'm radio I'm serious like sound so we're a radio No, listen I've been thinking about it a lot It was so weird because you know we are in such secrecy. Not only when you get murdered, but you have to, before you leave the castle, you're sort of escorted to another place and you live in isolation there. And they make it very clear that you cannot let any... They announced the cast early this year, so everyone knew where we were.

So I basically came back to JFK and like Cloak and Dagger and slithered back to Bluestone Manor and like dug a hole and stayed there until they finished filming because I didn't want to ruin it for everyone. So you have you kind of have to live in hiding for the period in which they're filming? Is that? I mean more or less because you don't want to you know once they announce the cast if they see me wandering around Bermdorf Goodman, I mean it doesn't take much to put two, once they announced the cast, if they see me wandering around Bergdorf Goodman, I mean, it take, doesn't take much to put two and two together during the best things, not in Scotland, right?

So I wanted to really keep the integrity for the rest of the players. I mean, when you're in it, it's very, very serious, which I loved, you know, and I thought was great the way they, the production company over there, they're fantastic, but I don't think they have, and I may be wrong and I hope I don't get in trouble saying this, but it started off as much more of like a UK thing where they just pick random people and bring them together and let the games begin. And I think now that it's conjoined with NBC and they're picking people that maybe they have a preconceived conception about who the person is. Maybe, I think it, I don't know for sure,

but that can maybe cause people to make a decision prematurely, would be my guess. Because I wasn't there long enough to do anything terrible. I mean, listen, I can take full responsibility for all of my antics, I'm housewives. I've done them, I said them, I lived them. But I'm just sad that no one got to see my wardrobe. I had done them, I've set them, I, you know, lived them. But, um, I'm just sad that no one got to see my wardrobe. I had a, um,

I was wondering about that because so much about Traders really has become this almost this fashion show. Really. It's, I mean, everyone's very well dressed, this great style. Everyone kind of has their own taste on, you know, what the appropriate tire is for being in a castle in Scotland. Well, even that's divided. I think that really is sort of the, definitely in the housewives, they're very fashion forward, but not so much the survivors. You know, the survivors, they're, they're, those are real people. Like you don't want to be stuck with, I mean, you do want to be stuck with them if you want

to survive. Yeah. I mean, they, they are like search and kill. You know what I mean? I think one guy told me like 372 live snails in 45 days. I was like, what? You know, because I don't really, I don't, again, I don't watch those shows.

So it is very different. So, you know, it's very different groupings. And I do think, you know, the Housewives are standouts. You know, there's a, it's a really great cast. It's me, it was Dolores, Ayaan, Robin. So how can you say you don't have sort of a slight preconceived notion of, I mean, I'm not known to be the quietest of the group.

It really seemed like the Housewives in general had a bit of a target on their back. Ayaan, like you said, she also got voted off early. I feel like they target Housewives every season. I think one of the reasons why people have me come on most things is for content, right? I don't know if at the end of the day, I am a great game player, right?

But I do say they missed out on a lot of great content, right? We agree. So for that, I'm sad. Because even watching Dolores and I on the raft, it was hysterical, right? Good TV. So frankly, I'm sad. Because even watching Dolores and I on the raft, it was hysterical, right? Oh my God, y'all realizing in real time that you had a target.

I'm there for a certain time, but I have endless memes already. You know, so that's what I feel. You know, they hire you, they pay you this paycheck that you want to give them content, right? How long were you sitting on those rafts before they picked you up? It was long. And you know, you can see on my face the realization. It's so funny because when I saw Delores, you know, I'm so connected to my housewife girls, we're like the mafia that when

when Delores is on that raft, I didn't even care or listen to what the consequences were. I was just like, well, I'm getting off the raft, me with Dolores. So it was a real loyalty jump. So what I, we realized on the raft that we're like, wait a second. It was so funny. You can actually see the real. Yeah. I even thought then, well, if this is it, at least I'm leaving,

doing something loyal. I met, I'd rather die with a loyal badge on my back than a betrayer's badge. Exactly. For the people you got to meet while you were there, were there any standouts or any people that you think might go the distance? It's just hard to tell because it was so early on.

I really think these gamers really know what they're doing. We don't know anything either. They keep it very quiet up until the show. There's a bounty on your head. So you're petrified to even say the word trader. I take things like that very seriously. If you need me to follow, I'm a rule follower. So I think people that are very good at

holding their cards to their chest, it's going to be an interesting season. I'm going to watch it and enjoy it. I will say, as I said to Hannah the other day, if you're going to leave, I think the best way to leave is the way I did right at the beginning because it's caused such chaos that if I left four or five episodes in, it may not have caused as much chaos. There you go. Everyone wants justice.

I went to Rise last night, the gay bar in 9th Avenue, and boy, it was a, I was like, wow, people are really outraged. Well, I mean, you know, you are a star, you've been a star on this network for a long time. We haven't had the pleasure of seeing you in a minute. We all get excited that you get casted on, everyone's tuning in, and then you're gone. It's like- And you know, it was so weird because they, it was, you know, I had to carry this for six months now, right? And then when the promos came out,

they had me in all these promos and I'm thinking, they're making it worse. Oh yeah. They're making it worse. You know, they're doing the promos, they're doing the things on Instagram. Did you see Bob the Drag Queen's response to kind of all the hate about you leaving?

Well, you know what's so interesting? I just got sent that this morning and it's so funny because I guess he said something like I'm causing all kinds of chaos. I really haven't. I've been like very quiet about it. We just love you that much. We're causing it, right? Yeah.

That's his fandom. Yeah. Didn't he say something like, and I guess she's causing chaos about it? Did he say that in the article? Well, I don't know if he accused you or anything, but I mean she's causing chaos about it? Did he say that in the article? Well, I don't know if he accused you or anything, but I mean, fans, you know, you're- Hold on one second, I have it.

Okay, yeah, let us know. She's causing a scene. Causing a scene? I don't know what I- You're not doing anything. Yeah. No, I haven't done it. You're just so fantastic.

I did an Instagram and said, hey, listen, so as you know, I'm murdered, and it is what it is, and let's just enjoy the rest, you know, enjoy the listen, so as you know, I'm murdered and it is what it is and let's just enjoy the rest, you know, enjoy the rest of the season with the, that is all I've said. I've been showing, all I've had on my Instagram is parsley, me cooking, you know, back to my normal life. There's no scene being caused.

I was surprised that he wrote that because I think my theory in life is sort of silence is the best. It makes it worse if you say something because, you know, those protests too much. Well, I mean, like you said, you don't read comments, you know, and fans are fanatic and this show, they love to like use the word murder in a weird kind of literal kind of way and they take it very seriously. And I don't doubt that many of your fans are, you know. I'm less offended by getting murdered

than I am offended by him saying, I have no idea who this icon is. I'm like, what? Now wait a second. Now I'm offended you get murdered. Not one idea? I was honestly shocked that Bob didn't know. It's crazy.

I mean, I said, well, I mean, the good news is he referred to me as an icon, which is great. That's true. So that's great. So he's got to answer his own question. And second of all, to tell you the truth, I didn't know who he was. I mean, you did think this was Vicki's podcast. So there is that.

Yeah. You didn't know Bob. You didn't know Bob Foss. You didn't know. But you know what, I wasn't there long enough to really get to know anyone. It's not like we're hanging Bob, you didn't know Bob Foss. You didn't know. But, you know what, I wasn't there long enough to really get to know anyone. It's not like we're hanging out, you know, after we film, we're not all hanging out together.

We really are back in our rooms until you film again. I have a very important question. As someone who's been asked to do this show before, how was the food there? Here's the funny thing, you know, my first husband was Scottish, So I spent many, many, and I lived in London 10 years. So I spent, oh my God, at least once, about twice a month in Scotland. So my daughter's half Scottish. So I knew what to expect. And I kind of like that

kind of food, but it's like, you know, it's like Scottish food. It's not gourmet. Yeah, I might struggle. But things that really surprised me the most is, I didn't count, even though Fagher told me, I thought, oh, it's June. It was cold. Really? It's cold. Because the thing about Scotland is it's a different type of cold.

It's a very dark cold. So, even, you know, it's just that, even when it rains in Scotland, like in London, when I lived in London, it would rain up here in Scotland, it like rains in front of your face. There's something chilly about Scotland and being in that castle. Like I was cold. At what point did you figure out who the traders were? I learned it because they take you, what they do is they take you away and then they interview you, right?

And talk to you and then they let you know. I would have never have guessed it in a minute. Who did you, did you have any ideas from the time that you were there? I thought Sandoval would be a traitor. I know it's obvious, but I thought that they would do it because it was obvious, because sometimes they do that. And I thought that the girl, what's her name?

The girl from the wrestling. Nikki. Nikki. I love her. I think Sandoval would reveal himself, you know? I know Tom. Maybe I just pegged him as a traitor before he even got on. What did you think? Yeah, what did you think of Tom? You know, this is what I say about Tom.

Again, don't know him that well, but he's exactly as I expected. And I'm always happy when characters are exactly as, you know, I think one of the best compliments I always get when people meet me, they're like, they're exactly like I thought you would be. So he was exactly like I thought he would be. I mean, I would date him, but you know, I think one of the best compliments I always get when people meet me they're like there were exactly like I thought you would

Be so he was exactly like I thought he would be I mean I wouldn't date him But he is exactly the way you would think him to be you know, there really are no surprises with Tom He's very transparent. He's straight You know what you're getting with Tom. I don't know how anyone can ever act He's very you know, he's not I didn't realize that he's in his forties because he has a very sort of like childlike, the way he responds and reacts to things. It's very childlike, right? Yeah, yeah. He's kind of living in Neverland a little bit.

Yeah, I guess well. How sad is that whole thing in Neverland and La La Land? I mean. Well, we are here. yeah, it's devastating. Oh my God, you're in LA, oh gosh, I should also know that as well. How are your homes and your families and your pets? Thankfully, we are okay. You know, I feel so terrible with the people that lost their homes and stuff,

but these animals and stuff, it's doing me in. Oh, I know. Did you see the video of the horse that ran back to get the other two horses? Balled my eyes out. Me too. And then I saw the video of the grizzly bear over her two cubs.

One of the people that really kind of popped this season is Dylan, Zach Efron's brother. Did you get a chance to get to know him at all? A little bit. You know, the one who I really, this is a funny story. So Britney Spears' ex was there. Yes. And I didn't, again, I didn't know who it was because we really didn't see him with Britney Spears, right?

I mean, I turned it on, you'll see her Instagram and she's dancing around in a bikini and you're like, okay, next. You know what I mean? So, you know, I never went that deep with this so I'm talking to this guy and I think who's the girl Bridget? I think her name from Big Brother Brittany Brittany Brittany So I'm talking this guy breakfast and this and I said well tell me about your story. He goes Well, I just got divorced. I was like, oh you'll young, you know, you'll get you'll get over it like are you guys friends? He's like, well, you know, she's, I said, is she a model too?

And I'm talking away, talking away. And I said, well, don't worry about it. I'm sure you'll be fine. As long as you try to stay friends with your ex and you know, just take a little time off. And I turn and I'm going back up to the buffet to get something to eat. She goes, that's Britney Spears' husband.

I'm like, what? Because I didn't put two and do together. He's very young. How old is he? Do we know? I don't know. I don't know if he's young in age. He's just sort of young in spirit. You know what I mean? But I guess she is. 30. 30. Oh, yeah. I wonder if him and Tom became friends. I could see that happening. Maybe, but he's such a nice guy. Very sweet, nice.

She's 45. But I was trying to give him, can you imagine I'm trying to give him some life advice, like on a motherly way about going through a divorce and meanwhile, Brittany's like. Some Britney Spears. You know, stars need, you know, relationship advice too. I can't help to mother, that's the problem.

Well, as a mother, how did you feel that all of the other castmates ate without you on the raft and left you there? That was terrible. I was so mad. I had to promise Hannah I wouldn't get mad about anything, but that lasted about one of the folks. I just thought the whole thing reeked of misogyny.

They're just trying to kick all the ladies off and into the rafts. The end of the day, it was the housewives that were really loyal to each other. Like when you look at all the rafts, it was like, just, yeah. Just women supporting women. What can I say?

Well, exactly. Have you talked to your friend Luanne in a while? Yes, I talked to Luanne quite a bit. I talked to Ramona quite a bit. Wonderful. I don't talk to Sonia as much because she's on her whole, whatever it's called, her stand-up cabaret thing and moved to Florida.

But yes, I talked to Luanne. You know, Luanne and Sonia and all of us have been friends a very, very, very long time. That's amazing. Right now, Luanne's name is getting thrown around in Southern hospitality. I'm not sure if you're aware about this because she allegedly- Oh my God, yes. Did Luanne spill name is getting thrown around in Southern hospitality. I'm not sure if you're aware about this because she allegedly did the land spill any tea. Do we know if she did they didn't they like

did they you know the land is the land is the art of just a not ever answering the question and be being very you know like she live. Luanne doesn't care. I don't think. That's the great thing about Luanne. She's probably thrilled that they're throwing her name around. Yeah, I mean. I mean, you know. I hope she got some. It takes two to tango, so. I mean, I hope they did. Luanne's not married, you know, so.

Neither is Joe. Look, I got my Nat Well bitch glass. I swear to God that wasn't planned. Awesome. That's so funny. Were there anyone that you were hoping maybe other housewives from New York would be on Traders with you?

No. You said, I got it. No, I thought, I think it's always fun to meet new people. You know what I mean? I think one's enough from, you know, I think some of the other housewives would make great housewives. I mean, make great Traders.

Like who? Well, I saw what was saying the other housewives would make great housewives, I mean, make great traders. Like who? Well, someone was saying the other day that they thought Kelly Bensimone would be a great trader because she's so wacky and fun. You wouldn't expect it. A wild card. Because Kelly's actually very smart. I think Luanne would be a great trader, although I don't know if she could stand being isolated

and not singing for three weeks. That would be very difficult. Well, I mean, she could still sing. Around the house. Around the house. I understand being isolated and not singing for three weeks. That would be very difficult. You know what I mean? Well, I mean, she could still sing. Around the house. Around the house. Who was I thinking about the other day that,

oh, I think Teresa would make a great traitor. Oh yeah. Teresa. Yeah. Vicki, Shannon. Yeah, they both make a good tra- I think, you know, a lot of the housewives would make good traitors.

Yeah, I think so too. They bring a lot of color and zest to the show, I think. It gets people excited. Makes great TV. It's a shame. I mean, someone said to me the other day, would you go back if they asked you to come back again? I said, oh my God, I'd absolutely go back.

That was my question. What's next for you? Do you think we might get a chance to see you on maybe like a trip? Right now, I don't think they're doing any of the girls trips, but I do my Sirius XM radio show, which I love doing. And I, you know, we're just sort of finalizing all the details to the Blue Stone Manor. Um, so when is that going to happen?

We're shooting to start filming, hopefully in June, so that's moving right along. I'm rooting for it because honestly, Vanderpump Villa was an absolute trash bag of a show. Well, I think that- Sorry. I think the great news is it stayed in the family. You know, Peacock is the one that I'm working with. They picked it up.

And the great thing about Peacock and Blue Storm Man, there's no learning curve. We already have the audience, right? Yeah. And I think Vanderpump Villa may be going to Hulu. It's just so hard to recreate the audience, right? And I think Vanderbilt Villa may be going to Hulu, it's just so hard to recreate the audience, right? Yeah, it also just wasn't good. I never watched it.

I'm hoping for a Rony OG reboot and I need to see you on my TV as much as possible. You know what, I think we have to let that ghost go as well. Oh, it hurts. Gotta let it go. You've moved on. I think we gotta keep moving, I just don't see that happening.

I think that, you know, they've committed to these girls and you know, they're gonna, what do you guys think of it? Like, are you watching it? Awful, too sparse. We were, we were, and then we stopped. We tried. I love Jenna. Yeah, we know, Mary loves Jenna, but everyone loves Jenna.

But we don't love Jenna on TV. I don't, at least, they're boring. Well, I just feel like they don't. Listen, I don't want, as I say on everyone, because everyone asked you, the crown was heavy, right? And the thing that was great about the girls is they were very, we were very transparent. I mean, if we were living it, you were seeing it.

And I feel like, you know, they're much more protective and we don't really, because I have to cover it with reality check on Sirius. I don't know if you ever got to know them any better. That's all the audience wants. It doesn't even have to be great TV. Just be authentic. Even the scene with the Loris and I and the ref,

nothing outrageous happened, but it's just where we were, right? I think when sometimes girls come, when the girls come on the show and they don't talk about their boyfriends, talk about their fiancés, talk about their life, don't want to talk about things, why are we on reality? That's why I think they're losing the audience a little bit.

Because they're probably individually very fun, but I think there's a much more, maybe that's what reality TV is now. They're much more aware of the camera than we ever were. Absolutely, yeah. They seem like lovely people and I'd love to be friends with all of them, but I just- Very good looking.

Yeah, wonderful. Far more glamorous than we were ever. Nonsense. No. Oh, no, no, that's true. You know what they used to say to me before filming? I used to watch Law and Order until they turned my mic on. I would be laying on my bed.

And I'll never forget it. Chris DeRosa would say to me, for God's sakes, at least brush the back of your hair. I'll never forget it. He said it's reality. Try to take down Sonya today and then go back and watch Law and Order. Oh, that's amazing.

Who cares what I look like? Dorinda, thank you so much for taking the time. We really appreciate it. Thank you, Brian. I was so excited when I saw, I didn't think I qualified for the biofiles. Oh, well, I think you're being nice. I'm very honored.

Next time you do make it out to LA, whether you have a press trip or you're just visiting, let us know. We'd love to bring you into the studio. Dorinda, you're absolutely the best. We really appreciate you. Enjoy the rest of your day and hopefully we'll talk soon. All right, take care.

Thanks for having me. Bye. Bye, Icon. Oh, God. Hang on, guys. Hang on. There you go. I'm still here.

Oh, God. I made that, huh? Thank God. Thank you, part two. Don't pull a Vicky. Yeah, exactly. Ryan's like, what the hell's wrong with you? You've got a podcast on fun. Oh my God, I made that, huh? Thank God. Don't pull a Vicky. Yeah, exactly.

Brian's like, what the hell's wrong with you? You've got a podcast in five minutes. I'm like, who has a podcast? I don't know, it was floating around here. Making, let me just tell you something, making all different forms of kale salad. Ooh. How do you make your kale salad?

Well, I have the best recipe. I don't know. Okay, no, no, because you know, kale can be very difficult if you don't do it correctly. Yes. So first of all, I'll tell you quickly, cause I know you guys gotta go. I de-stock it so should I take off just the finest leaves.

Yep, yep, absolutely. And then what I do, I make a mixture of olive oil, squeezed lemon and pink salt, and then I literally massage. That's Nick's recipe. Dorinda, we have the same massage. That's Nick's recipe. Dorinda, we have the same recipe. That's what Nick does. Yeah, I make it once a week.

With breaded chicken, garlic. Okay, and then what I do is I take a separate dish, so I let that sit for 20 minutes so it softens the kale. Then I take a separate little bowl and I put some Blue Stone Man or maple syrup, ta-da, and French mustard, mix that with a drop of rice vinegar, just a little bit. Mix that and then I roast cabonzo beans with a little bit of onion powder,

garlic powder, sea salt, a little olive oil so they get a little crunch. Oh, yum. Then what I do is obviously I put it all together in a bowl and then I just put a little more lemon and then I shave Parmesan cheese on top and I let it sit for about 30 minutes and then I just serve it with like,

whatever you wanna serve. I just served to Hannah with it. Amazing. I got candy. I put diced garlic in mine, Parmesan cheese, and then we will make some chicken cutlets and put a little chicken in it and have a little chicken kale salad.

Well, you know what this one needs? It needs a dry, I was saying it needs like a walnut. I'm thinking about making a candy walnut next time and putting that in it. Have you ever made, I'll tell you the best candied walnut. You take a walnut, you take a really good raspberry jam and really thin it, put it in a frying pan and toss it and then you let dry, and then you crunch them all up, and it brings this kind of fruity walnut thing to salads. Dorenda, let's do a cooking show together.

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Like made for television. Right. Like I need it. Just absolutely genuinely herself and made for TV. Yeah. No filter. No. Comfortable with who they are.

Yes. Doesn't really care. Say it. Great energy. As she says, she makes things nice. Traders in general, really enjoying the first three episodes. I don't know if you guys have all watched it. I highly recommend you guys catch up on Traitors.

It is very entertaining. It's a good cast. Like we mentioned, Wells Adams also was voted off. I was shocked about that. Disappointed. He didn't tell you anything? I knew he got voted off. I mean, it was like such a misunderstanding

and it happened so fast. And it was like, they were so neck and neck at the table. He came for Robin. He put an unnecessary sore on his back. He just made the critical error of taking on Robin. I don't know much about the strategy of traders other than like if you come in with a reputation, don't add to it with coming in with a strong opinion

early on, fly under the radar, make friends. And that's why I'm shocked that Wells got voted off so early because if Wells is anything, he's affable, he's likable, you know, he knows how to work a room, he knows how to be everyone's friend, so I was shocked. It was so sad when Aion started crying. I know. I know.

She loved him. Was it Dolores that, oh no, this is when Aion got voted off, when Dolores like picked up her picture and was like, that's my friend. She picked up Dorinda's too, yeah. Yeah. But when am got put it off when Dolores like picked up her picture was like that's my she picked up Dorinda's to yeah Yeah, but when Wells got voted off and she was like I will say love Chanel Ion and she's a very emotional person. Why why why are they all calling her Ion? I don't know. Yeah, cuz it's confused Dubai is also owned by peacock originally and it was Chanel Ion

But like it's her're saying Ion Chanel. It's very confusing. Maybe she just made a motto, it's interchangeable, it's gotland. She's rebranding in a new country. I will say her handle, like on Instagram, it just says Ion, so maybe she just goes by both. Because her beauty brand is Ion Beauty.

So that's probably why. Yeah. The name to like for the brand. Chanel is a brand name. There we go. There we go, we figured it out. She's branding herself. Probably the makeup brand. The name to like for the brand. Well, Chanel is a brand name. There we go. There we go, we figured it out. She's branding herself. Correct the code.

Who do you guys think the best trader is? Carolyn. I think it's Carolyn too. It's definitely not Danielle. I mean, this like crying and performing she's doing every morning. I loved when Boston Robb was like, what the fuck is this bitch doing?

Oh my God. Okay, so I don't know much about Survivor, but I saw a fan cam of Boston Robb when he was young. Guy was hot. Yeah, he was dreaming. Boston Robb is a heartthrob, for sure. I did not know that a man named Boston Robb could be a heartthrob.

Especially showing up middle-aged-ish, and it looks fine, looks lovely. He's still a heartthrob. He's got swag, even the way that he can defend his backwards hot and his blazer, he's like, I've been doing this since 82, I'm not changing now. It wasn't good then either.

I loved it. I did watch his survivor season. Me too. I was obsessed with him. Yeah, me too. Yeah, he's got dreamy eyes. Dylan, well, first of all, he's the first one to identify a traitor.

He suspected Bob the drag queen was a traitor for all the for all the right reasons. Who suspected Danielle? Was it Jeremy? Jeremy. Yeah. Yeah. So we've got some people who are on the right track. And it is so funny to watch the show, because obviously we as the audience know everything. So to watch these people just be so wrong. Yeah. It's like you want, like watching Gabby be like, it's gotta be Ivar, it's gotta be Tony.

It's just like, oh, I'm like Gabby! It's anyone but Bob, the drag queen. It's like, okay. But the thing is like, even though Gabby's wrong, she's right. No, she's not. I think she is. I have to say, I'm representing the Bambi-oos today

because I was a big fan of them having little. I want Gabby to win. I'm rooting for Gabby. We're all just doe-eyed and bambi-eyed. And hot. I love, we're all just like really good looking and best dressed and like we're the funniest people here. She was like, I love smoked salmon.

We're probably the smartest. I love the little olives. I love talking shit. And goat cheese. I love goat cheese and I love talking shit. I love her so much. She's just a walking sound bite and I love it so much. She's so funny, oh my God. Crishell.

Oh, Crishell. Coming for Tom's throat. She said, I was friends with your ex and I don't trust you, bitch. Oh my God. Crishell's such a TV pro, she really is. She's like, in case anyone forgot, she's like, I'm gonna let everyone watching this show

know that you cheated on your ex. Yeah, you're a dick, I don't like you. Alan being like, and how would you feel to be betrayed, Tom? It wouldn't feel very good. What is it? I was like, ah! Yeah, and then Tom Sandoval reminded all of us that wearing gray in anxiety-ridden moments,

not for the faint of heart. I mean, the sweatiest man alive. He also had a cardigan that he chose to take off and then chose to leave it off. He was so nervous. Yeah. He was so nervous. Also, whenever he took off his blindfold at the beginning and Chris I was like you were giving me that

eyebrow Like you make anyone fucking nervous. Yeah, as soon as I took their headbands off I looked across the room He's so good at TV though I don't think we appreciate Tom Sand ofval being on TV as much as people should. I'm just gonna say it. Well, they brought Wes from the challenge. I hate him. I actually kind of enjoy watching him.

I like him more than Derek. How could none of the faithful suspect that at least one of the newbies might be a traitor? I don't understand that. Well, Derek did. Derek said at least one of us is gonna be a traitor. Oh, so then why isn't he, you know, he's a gamer. I don't know.

He's probably keeping his car. He's not saying anything. He's just not saying anything. It's weird to me that they will. That people wouldn't go against Boston Robb because there's a reason why you all don't want him in the first place and they wouldn't let him in the house. Like he would be somebody that I would suspect

because it would be like Durin to thought Sandoval. It kind of seems like the obvious choice to make him a traitor, but it would be the fake out to thought Sandoval. It kind of seems like the obvious choice to make him a traitor, but it would be the fake out to think he was a faithful. Watching the way he was working Tony in that round table. Ooh. Oh, that sent a chill up my spine. When he left and he was like, you dirty.

You're a sellout, bro. You're a sellout, bro. That like hurt my heart. Oh my gosh, he's playing the game. Yeah. He is playing the game. And for Bob, Bob's gaslighting of. His impeccable skills, I will say. Was incredible.

The thing is Dylan chose to go up against a housewife and a drag queen. Yeah. What are you expecting to happen? You don't have a chance. I thought he did pretty well. Bob opened for Madonna. You think he cannot like gaslight a room?

I honestly don't think Bob's doing that great of a job, to be honest. I think he's getting a little too cocky that he is a traitor, and I think traitors have a bit of an advantage, right? So they tend to go further, and I think he, projecting a little bit of security in his position as a traitor,

and he's, I don't know, he's just, he's very loud. He's very opinionated, and I don't know how he isn't putting a target on his back. I mean, I feel like that's exactly why Dorinda got voted off because she was loud and she was opinionated. They're like, what the fuck, let's get her out. I think Dorinda got voted out because it was easy because of Iver.

If Dorinda hadn't popped off on Iver, then Dorinda would have stayed. They're trying to frame Iver. But even Danielle that morning when she was like, hmm, I hope it's not this person because if a traitor did this and I was like, the only person that picked up on that was Jeremy.

I think Rob is going to sabotage Bob. Connor thinks that too. I think Boss and Rob is kind of like this is amateur hour and he's gonna be like Bob the drag queen's too loud, he's putting a target on all of us. He already had to like sell out Tony and he doesn't want to have to do that again. He's gonna like, he's gonna present as a faithful

and get. What I hate is that they're always like, oh yeah, and your name got thrown out, and stop telling people whose name's getting thrown out. But that creates the drama of the show. But they're all trying to figure it out, and I think Peter Weber said this when we interviewed him from last season.

Yeah, they have these competitions, but other than that, all they're doing all day long is just sitting around this castle talking and figuring it out and conspiring and just kind of hanging out and trying to figure out who's a faithful, who a traitor is. So they have, you know, that's, they're kind of forced to have these conversations.

So it is what it is. But there's also that scene where they were all sitting in like the library. There was a group of like five or six faithful sitting in the library and two traders walked in, did like a head count. And then it was like, oh, okay, bye. And it's just like, what are you guys paying attention to

during the off time? Because I would think it'd be really weird if two people came in. Well, Gabby almost caught them when they were in the show. The thing about this show is like, they're editing the hell out of it. That Gabby thing had to have been like a... She heard something, she kept looking in.

I don't know. Well, who knows what she was hearing? I thought Dylan made a really smart move because it's a weird thing because you don't wanna. Maybe. Who knows what she was hearing? I thought Dylan made a really smart move because it's a weird thing because you don't wanna accuse anyone too early because you might put a target on your back. I think it worked in Dylan's favor that Bob didn't get exiled because now,

there's no way the traders are gonna vote out Dylan. Because if so, then that puts a huge target on Bob. Or Robin. I mean, it's exactly why Danielle will not vote for Brittany because she's like, no, they'll know it's me. I'm not doing that. So you're Dylan. I hope that he like, and kind of like he did,

he had this like peace offering with Bob and I hope Dylan kind of flies under the radar for a bit and kind of backs off and befriends them, but he still can't get voted off from the traitors because that will let them know who the traitor is. That he's hot on their trail. So it'll be interesting.

Dylan also has an advantage for not having really a reputation. Yeah. Because he's just like. Like everyone loves his brother. Yeah, he's nice. Like why not love him? Yeah.

He's very likable. Well, the thing that could happen with Dylan is like the traders could kind of manipulate the round table into exiling him. That's the way they would have to go about it. That's true. Yeah, that's tougher to do. It is tougher to do, but-

Without putting a target on them. I mean, when Robin was like, well, you told me and Chanel last night and where is she? Convenient. Should we get into Salt Lake City? Yes, please. I feel like it was a really good episode. Oh my God, was it ever?

It was a really great episode. I wanna say I actually believe Brittany. Come the fuck on. I do not believe her. And I wanna make my case if I can. Okay. May I, I will say before you make your case, Brittany absolutely deserves a snowflake.

Yes. 100%. She's incredible. The fact that I forget that she doesn't have a snowflake and every time they cut in and out of commercial and they show all the ladies with the snowflakes and I'm like, wait, where the fuck is Brittany? Her and Brawn are caring this season.

Oh yeah. Brawn would kinda piss me off this episode. Make your case. My case is, so when they did the confessional is what, 24 seconds long? Homegirl starts the recording, and then instantly they start screaming and she looks away. So in my head I'm like, she's what?

She's saying she didn't know she was pressing and she's trying to end it. So in her head it's like, she started a recording, maybe she was gonna record the scenery like she said, and then all these housewives start screaming, of course I'm gonna look and be like, oh shoot, 20 seconds later, let me stop it. Justin, her story changed from she was trying

to record something out the window to trying to turn the camera on her. The thing is, if you listen to it, she did record the scenery, she did do the peace sign with Whitney. So she did all of those little things, and the second she got to the third one, it was like the 20 seconds long.

But then she said, well, I didn't know it was gonna pick up the audio of y'all arguing. And it's like, but you knew it was gonna pick up you being like, good luck, sweetheart, I love you. To piggyback off that, she also said it was a live photo. So she's like, sometimes it picks up audio, but like it was a recording.

She's literally pressing the record video button. But you see her struggling. You see her struggling to even stop and start it. So it's like homegirl didn't know what she was doing. Although, sad to talk about actually that gives you, if you ever wanted to do this lesson learned, if you ever wanted to record your friends arguing, have your photo on live,

and then start just rapidly taking pictures of the scenery in live mode, because it does record your audio. Even then, I'd be like, what the fuck are you doing? Why are you taking photos right now? A burst. Pay attention to our argument. Take a side.

I'd just be like, oh, you guys are annoying. I'd just be taking pictures, just like, and you'd get some audio. Then you have to patch together for a crazy enough photo to link you to. I think it'd be easier than you think. I just wish she would have been like, oh my God, guys, I was just trying

to talk some shit with Jared. Like, I'm sorry, I was just trying to be like, Jared, listen to these crazy bitches. I believe it was innocent in the fact that, yes, she just wanted to gossip with her boyfriend. I don't think she was being malicious. What do you think she was doing? I fact that, yes, she just wanted to gossip with her boyfriend. I don't think she was being malicious. What do you think she was doing?

I think she was being, she violated essential housewives code by doing that. Sure, but I don't think, what I'm saying, I don't think it was malicious. I don't think she was trying to send it to reality Von T's. No, no, no, she was not trying to send it to anyone. She was trying to take a video of it

so she could go back to her room, listen to what they were saying, and have exactly the receipts to say what everyone was saying. She wanted to gossip with her boyfriend. Yes, but then it's also like you're relying on like the trust of the group that like all of what you're saying is like it's being recorded, but you don't you're not going to be able to remember every single thing. I don't think she's that strategic.

My take on it is like when Monica not to bring her back up last season at Bermuda she had no chance to say a single thing because everybody was just screaming from different areas. So like in this case, Britney's in the Sprinter van nine people are screaming at her She can only get one or two words out every single sentence They came for a throat They were stringing together these like stories was like she didn't even get a chance to say the story to begin with so She said four different ones because everybody kept saying something so she's talking Oh, let me figure out a new one hold on

No, she's responding to every single thing every person saying so like it becomes this whole like I'm sending a video to my daughter I was just recording this interview. It was just the back of the seat. It was also 24 seconds We're acting like it's the whole conversation. It was a second and a half She said it was a second then she said it was They're saying a whole conversation so my head a second a half is 24 seconds, you know Yeah, but 24 seconds is when she got caught. Also, how many of you guys have accidentally recorded videos?

Not me. Not often. Not while people are screaming around me. Maybe if it's in my back pocket. I think you guys are just too strategic with your deleted deletes. The deleted deletes? Listen, Meredith's screaming,

you are vile! I had you at my home! I was very triggered by Meredith constantly being like, you're vile, you're vile, you are vile. Nicole, I had you in my home. I was very triggered by Meredith constantly being like, you're vile, Levi, you're vile, you're vile. Pick a different word, Meredith. What did she say? She didn't say you can leave, it was like, you have to leave.

You have to leave. You have to go. Mary being like, get her, Meredith. Mary loved every minute of it. It was awesome. God. What did you think of the whole bit of like, is there a recording device in the room?

Incredible. Funny, hilarious. Clearly a producer set up, I think. Like there's no way they were like, let's just act this out. No, I think Meredith is that like to where she starts overthinking and she's like, wait a second, but I haven't heard anything from Heather. And I have, so how would she have heard me? And if I was standing here with a,

I do think Meredith thinks like that. And I think Heather is so good at playing Robin that she was like, oh yeah, let's fucking look for it. And that was the funniest scene ever. Also, I think that confession was awesome. at dinner, when Brittany's like, I have not been truthful.

The only thing I haven't been truthful about. And it's something, everyone's on the edge of their fucking feet. I'm looking at Nick being like, please God, I love a God. What is this going to be? And come on, like we know what you're doing bitch. You're changing the subject. I literally looked at my roommate who's watching with me

and I was like, if this bitch says she's sleeping with Jared or something. No, I immediately was like, it's going to be something about Jared. When she first said it, I was dumbfounded, because I was like, what does this have to do with any- For Brittany, it was a big confession. And then, yeah. I think you have to acknowledge that for- And Bronwyn and Heather-

For a community that makes you, they would rather have you pretend that you're faithful with your religion and that you are devout and you are abstaining from sex or alcohol and things like that, then you're not. But to Wendy's point. I do find it hard that this is her big secret and she's finally being honest with the group

when it's like, you've been drinking this whole time and you were like, don't bring alcohol to my house because my, and it's on a national television show and you're perfectly fine grabbing a margarita, getting a little drunk, talking about lingerie and like. I think Bronwyn said it nice where she's like, you have to let go of that guilt and stop blaming others. Yeah.

Or stop trying to out people. What did Bronwyn call her? Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs. Okay, Steve Jobs, I know how to work an iPhone. That was awesome. I gotta say Bronwyn kind of, she's losing me just a little bit.

No, I think that that whole thing was a spin. They showed her talking to Lisa, and it's very capable that somebody can address an issue that they personally have with another person and not involve the others. She did say there was a conversation that happened that wasn't painting you in the best light, but here's my side of it.

I'm not a fickle housewife. Neither am I. You know, I have my people and all I want is authenticity. And Bronwyn is authentic. But she's gotta pick someone to be authentic to and loyal to, she's gotta pick one. Right now she's playing so many different sides. She's getting her feet wet. I agree, it's her rookie season.

She's not getting her feet wet, her feet are soaking, sopping wet. And also to be fair, in my defense of Bronwyn too, I think that there is a part of her that really is trying to navigate this friendship with Lisa because Lisa really does mean something to her. So I do think that she's making choices to where- Then she has to stop bread crumbing

and setting up the other women to talk shit about her. Because she comes to the table and she opens up this conversation of, here's a safe space of like, Lisa and how she hurt me and what do y'all think and what did y'all think of the situation knowing they're not fans of her knowing they'll talk shit about Lisa and then takes that back to Lisa. But I'm like is it bread coming where I'm like the event just happened she's upset and Lisa clearly is not the friend that's coming to her aid and these people are that I'm like at the end of the day Heather, Whitney all of them have fought to be best friends with Lisa as well. So I'm like, they're not exactly alienated out of this, out of what Bronwyn's going through,

to where I'm like, yes, Bronwyn might have, it might seem like Bronwyn's being two-faced, but in my opinion, where I'm like, she's trying to gauge, is this normal? Do you think Lisa, da da da? And then they all came with her confirming that like, no, Lisa's like this, or Lisa didn't defend you or whatever it is. So maybe her getting her ducks in a row to go talk to Lisa is like, this is how I feel and it's not just me. Getting some how the other women feel and then taking it back to Lisa and being like,

well, I don't appreciate how the conversation went. It made me feel really gross what these women were saying about you. It's like, come on. It just felt a little dirty in Brawnley's. I'm with Natalie. I love Brawnley, but how many two-faced quote unquote conversations are you the center of? There's so many. There's so many of this. I'm with Natalie, I love brawling, but how many two-faced quote unquote conversations

are you the center of? There's so many, there's so many of this. I mean, it's like, and she loves to say she's transparent. And it's like, she can be trans, I love that she's transparent, but I need her to pick someone that she can be loyal to. And I need, like, she's gotta be able to have someone she can not talk shit about,

but like have a conversation about another person and not that person not be like, fuck, is she about to go tell, like she's gotta make someone in this group feel safe to talk to her. I agree. Browen is radar online. But she's by herself. Yes. And Lisa is her friend and she's not,

these women are forever friends. These women are just now being nice to her after she confessed something about her relationship, but she's been on an island alone outside of Lisa. No, she was good friends with Whitney and Angie, and then she turned on Whitney and Angie and told Lisa that they were talking shit about her. She needs to drop Lisa. On their hike or whatever. They don't think good friends. And as I said, Whitney and Angie decided to tell her things to sway her opinion of Lisa.

All I gotta say is thank God, Browen is a little messy. Yeah. Because between that and Brittany and her confessionals, I don't know that's weird we be talking about. We also had drunk Heather who decided to drop a bomb on Meredith and be like, it's fine. It was nothing. And we just talked about how you are cheated and it's fine. How you cosign emotional relationship. I rewatched it. I rewatched it.

And that's like, she, she alluded to it, but then it's like, Meredith took it and spun it into like something totally different. That's what she does All she did was say like you've been involved with it and like you like know what like emotions are or whatever like affairs but like She spun it into like you say a coastline affairs and my relationship and it's like nobody ever said any of that It was actually really funny too how she was trying to double check She was offended by when heather said it in the car and then she's like wait I need to double check are you confirming that bradwin said and then the car. And then she's like, wait, I need to double check.

Are you confirming that Bronwyn said? And then Heather's like, no, you're wrong. She's like, what is happening? And then Lisa just goes, weapon. Weapon. And I will give Lisa, I was like, I don't know what it's like to be friends with Lisa Barlow, but I have never seen so many women

compete to be friends with somebody or like. What does she, does she have shit on people? She's either gotta be the best time to hang around, but I've just never seen women go toe to toe to be Lisa's favorite. So Lisa's credit, she, people are begging to be in her orbit. You know I'm the only one who has never begged

to be in her orbit? Me? Well, no, Meredith. Lisa had to beg Meredith to be in her orbit. What are you talking about? Meredith is definitely a Lisa stan. That's true. No? The hot mic moment. The hot mic moment. Lisa had to beg Meredith to be in Meredith's world. What are you talking about? Meredith is definitely in Lisa's stand. That's true. No.

The hot mic moment. The hot mic moment. In season two, Meredith was done with Lisa and Lisa had to beg Meredith to become her friend again. Speaking of friendship, said that I absolutely thought was so touching. Mary and Angie sharing that moment where she was helping her with her hair

and how Angie's like, I'm the only one that knows what Mary's going through. I just want to make her feel good. We see something in the preview for the finale, and I'm so scared that it's Angie telling the women what happened before. I hope that's not what happened. It seems like there's some issue between Mary and Angie,

and it's like- Angie said, why are you pushing me away? And Mary goes, because you hurt me. Oh no. Like, what did she do? Yeah. And I hope that's just out of context? And Mary goes, cause you hurt me. Oh no. Like what did she do? Yeah. And I hope that's just out of context.

Please, please, please. I know. Yeah. Do we know if Mary and Angie have been? They've been at events together since. Yeah. Kathy Hilton's party there too. Oh yeah, yeah. I've heard of like interviews I've heard with Angie.

She loves Mary. She talks extremely high of Mary. The funniest thing is the beginning of Angie and Mary's friendship was last reunion when Andy asked Mary, who do you trust on this couch? Or feel welcomed by? And she goes, Angie? Well, it's because Angie told her

that she either had something in her teeth or something on her hair or something and it helped her fix. She goes, oh my God, thank you so much. And then the next question was like, Angie's my favorite. It doesn't take much for Mary. But the whole season, Mary was like, don't sit next to me, who are you?

Stop talking to me. Stop talking to me, stop asking me to come over there, I don't know you. What do we think of Whitney's new hair? I love it. I'm a fan. I love the reason why. She was really cute. She dyed her hair red in solidarity with her daughter

who gets made fun of. Yeah, bullied in school. Bullied in school for being a redhead. Yeah. Oh, that's why. That's why she did it. That's why, yeah. She does look like the other Whitney now,

but I love both of them. That is true though. Secret lives of Mormon wives. No, she did it. That's like, yeah. She does look like the other Whitney now, but I love both of them. That is true though. Secret lives of Mormon wives. No, she doesn't. Well, just the... With the red... With the red in the... ...Wet knees, ginger hair wet knees in Mormon culture. She died to her ginger, didn't she?

She had like three hair colors in the first season. So her husband had like five different takes. Should we quickly jump through Southern hospitality and Southern charm since they're kind of boring? Or special forces. Or special forces. Well, special forces is out, and if you guys aren't watching it,

it's really entertaining. Stephen Baldwin is an absolute hoot the first couple episodes. He quickly goes home, but I couldn't stop laughing. It was wild. The way he was trying to get the medic to be like, you need to go home. And he's like, I don't know why you keep asking me.

What was he even saying? I was like, I'm confused now too. And he's like, I don't know why you keep asking me. What was he even saying? I was like, I'm confused now too. He was giving three different like health ailments as to like why he can't continue on, but he wanted the medic to say. Then he goes, if you were paid to have a job next. Cause you know he has some movie or I don't know if he does though.

Some guest appearance on something that they're paying more than special forces. I wanna know if he got the gig that he claimed to have booked. It is really sweet to watch it with Nick cause he's very like, I did say, aw, like, you know.

Yeah, the whole time I was like, well Nick did it. It brings you back for sure. I tell you what, this season, they're putting him through it. It's very challenging. You're saying he hasn't booked anything? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I was just like shaking my head head no to I couldn't ever do

that the way that I would like. Sorry, send me home. Also props to Denise Richards. Denise Richards is on it. She is crushing it. She jumped from a speeding boat onto a helicopter and then bungee jumped. I mean, essentially she bungee jumped and then like rappelled down. I mean like she did some incredibly brave things. And then we come to find out that when she was jumping from the speeding boat to the helicopter, she tore both her breast implants

that she I think has since had surgery to repair, which she didn't even leave after that happened. She continued on, still basically bungee jumped and rapplled down whatever the fuck and put herself through some pretty rigorous stuff. So props to Denise. I know she, she, she was a second one out, but I'll tell you what that, uh, having gone through what those people went through the fact that Denise, uh, did what

she did, I have mad respect for her. She, she really has some guts and, uh, I'm happy that she was on screen every two seconds. Well, I mean, you're going to be usually when you're early out, you can make sense. Yeah, you can tell who's going to go for a while because you haven't seen much of them. But we got Brody Jenner. He's on it. Cam Newton star football player.

He's on it. He's he's very interesting to watch. Alia Fedotowsky, she had to leave because of an injury. So it's a really good cast. Ali Fetitowsky, she had to leave because of an injury. So it's a really good cast. Pink, husband is on it. Carrie Hart, so, you know, it's a wild cast. I would also like to confirm that Stephen Baldwin does have a completed project

and he's in production for another project and another one in development. Booked and busy, Stephen. Busy. He couldn't not turn his head left for these movies. So let him go. Can you say what they're called? Go West is in production.

A Walking Miracle where he plays Pastor Paul is completed and Streetball Game Over playing Mayor Livingston is in development. Let's go see him. Pastor Paul. Get a Pastor Paul. Southern Charm, man. I think Paige makes the show a lot better.

Yeah. I mean, sure, but she's not on the show. I know. And they Paige makes the show a lot better. Yeah. I mean, sure, but she's not on the show. I know. And they're not even in a relationship anymore. So that's a problem. It's really just about the bromance, I guess. What is Sally doing? Okay, so Sally was also,

she's in season two of Southern hospitality. So like, there's like this weird crossover that's happening, but. And I get confused. Sally's the one that works in like the hospitals, right? Yes. Sally's the one who showed up for The Bachelor for a hot second.

Right. Chickened out, like left immediately because she like just got out of an engagement, did the exact same thing on Bachelor in Paradise. That seemed like more of a bit. And now she's found her way on Southern hospitality. So she is. And Southern Charm.

And now Southern Charm. She's trying desperately her way on Southern hospitality. So she is- And Southern charm. And now Southern charm. She's trying desperately to be on reality TV. Well, and right now she's claiming that Gaston, which is Taylor's man, called her and said, don't keep my name in your mouth. Hasn't she been talking a lot of shit about him? Yeah. So that's a thing.

But then we also see in a preview that she's saying that he was good in bed. So it's like, maybe he's right. Well, when Paige listened to all of this was really fun, she was like, he was good in bed. So it's like, maybe he's right. Or do you like- When Paige listened to all of this was really fun. She was like, oh, this is great. Well, actually backtracking to, sorry, to go back to Special Forces,

also who is on the show is the ex of Travis Kelsey. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, she had a good storyline so far. I feel for her because I don't doubt that, you know, her big story is the internet bullies and people coming for her. But she obviously is on the show because she is Travis Kelce's ex,

so it's kind of like a tricking before the egg shit, you know, it's like, I don't know. She's sad, she's getting bullied, but she's also obviously taking advantage of the fact that- Was she an influencer before though? I think so. But like she's not getting casted on the show if she's not Travis Kelce's fact that she's the only one. Was she an influencer before though? She's not getting casted on the show if she's not Travis Kelcey.

Maybe, yeah. Not maybe. Well, but yeah. But she did make a point to say nice things about Taylor. So I'm just kind of like at the end of the day. I've met her quickly and she's lovely. And I think she's gonna do very well on the show, but she's in a tough spot

because they're gonna make her talk about it. And I don't judge her for wanting to go on the show if she gets the opportunity, but like it's. She did have a quote though that was good where she was saying that it's like, it's shitty to be reduced down to a headline where I'm just like, doesn't matter what she's done before this. Obviously she is Travis Kelce's ex,

but it's like at the end of the day, she's Travis Kelce's ex who's now with Taylor Swift. And it's just like, if she wants to make her own career or to like at least distance herself from it, then I think you have to acknowledge it and then move on. And we know Swifties can be vicious and they can be- Psycho-quit. Quite scary.

Yeah. Anyways. Well, I mean, there wasn't much else to go about it. We've got Craig and Austin taking a break, I guess, not with Austin's blessing. I mean, it's such a weird, it's such a weird like- It's giving grow up Austin. Well, it's still so just giving like, yeah,

you grow up and like your interests don't align anymore. Like Craig doesn't wanna go out and drink anymore. Like I think, I mean, having a baby, obviously, I think a lot of people struggle with like, oh, once I had a kid, I lost a lot of friends. And I think like, wow, yeah, you lose friends because you're not like going to the club anymore and you're not like going out to dinner at 10 p.m.

because you have like a baby to take care of. You know, like you're not hanging out with those people anymore because those people are still doing those things. But I also think it's like, I mean, for me, it's like, who's trying to invest into my child's life? Like those are the people I'm keeping around, you know? It's like, it's not the casual acquaintances that like I hung out with here and there, got coffee with or whatever.

It's like, who wants to be a part of my child's life and who do I want a part of my child's life? And those are the friendships that are important to me now. And so it's like, I can see how Craig is like, dude, we're not into the same shit anymore. I don't wanna go to a bar and get drunk anymore. I wanna be at home, I wanna garden. If you wanna go get a six pack of beer

and come over to the backyard and like sit in a lawn chair while I garden, like let's do it. But Austin's not interested in that. It's just a weird thing for Austin to get mad at Craig for. It makes sense, but like Craig is the one growing and maturing and evolving, Austin is resistant to that. Austin in my opinion is kind of being like a succubus in the sense to where it's like you wanna bring Craig down

to your level where you're at because it makes you feel comfortable, but you can't be happy for your friend for succeeding or making other choices. Because you know, when people outgrow you, it's hard to see the bigger picture. But to be fair, I'm like, he didn't really outgrow him in the sense that he said

he spends what, two or three days minimum a week with this guy filming content. Like in a metaphorical sense, but he is outgrowing him. As Craig evolves, they continue to have less in common. Austin doesn't want to change. He's resistant to change. He likes his life.

He's like, this is fun. I'm getting paid from this TV show. I don't need more. I don't want to change. Let's just keep the band together. And Craig's like, I'm over it. He's got, you know, he's invested in his girlfriend. He wants to lean into that. He sees Paige having a bunch of success. You know, I imagine over it. He's got, you know, he's invested in his girlfriend. He wants to lean into that.

He sees Paige having a bunch of success. You know, I imagine that motivates Craig. Why is Craig going to the sperm bank again? Is that just a bit? Because he wanted to save his sperm in case something were to happen to him that if Paige decided she still wanted to have his kids. Well, because Paige doesn't want to have kids now.

Yeah. And he saw like a commercial or something about how someone got in a car wreck and then they weren't allowed. They were sterile. Sounds like a bit. Well, I think that's the type of, I think Craig is a little bit neurotic in that way.

I think Craig's going to be engaged in the next year and a half. For sure. He's going to meet a lady and he's going to fall deeply in love. He seems like he's ready to settle down. I'd give it Christmas Christmas night this year, he'll be engaged.

Or like, at least we'll know. Maybe New Year's. I feel like he's like, I'm expecting home. And is it a Southern charm cast me or is it? No. Okay. We do have the vibes like results. Well, the Packers lost, so fuck that.

Yeah, so the Steelers. So the Steelers. Who did we pick? Oh, Washington won, I won. Washington, yeah, you won, we lost. So yeah, Florida and Pittsburgh both lost, which sucks for me. Life goes on.

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