The Viall Files - E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish

Episode Date: January 16, 2025

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And have anyone here ran out of gas? No. No. What do you mean? What? What do you mean? Like actually or just like emotionally? Like while you're driving.

While you're driving, the car like slows down. Not metaphorically, literally. And then stops. Because all the time if we're talking about metaphorically. while you're driving, the car slows down. Not metaphorically, literally. And then stops. Because all the time, if we're talking about metaphorically. Are you okay?

I don't care about your emotional health right now. Okay. No, have you ever ran out of gas in a car? No. I've gotten close, but never. I've gotten close. I've coasted. What happened to you?

I did the other week. What do you mean? I mean, what do I mean? Don't you have a light that tells you you've got 20 miles and you kind of watch it? Here's the thing. We have two cars. Nellie has her car, I have my car. Nellie's car is the family car.

It's giving mom. I have just the day to day. I literally only drive my car to work and to the grocery store, maybe run some errands. That's it. That's all it is. So I just don't really pay attention to that light. And then when the light goes on, it's it, that's all it is. So I just like don't really pay attention to that light. And then when the light goes on, it's like, I don't know,

I might have like three or four or five more trips to work left in me. One day I got in, I just didn't pay attention. And honestly, I gotta criticize Audi here. Like their light is this, it beeps once, it beeps once. It's not like you really needed to go get gas. It was like the light beeped. I got in my car a few more times.

I kind of forgot about it. You should also criticize them for the light on the side mirrors when there's a car there because you don't pay attention to that one. Okay, sorry. I'm like, the light's on because there's a car in your blind spot and he's like, oh, going over.

You know another thing I really struggle with? What? The turn directions on the map. and he's like, going over. All right, we're good. You know another thing I really struggle with? What? The turn directions on the map. Oh my God. It highlights what lane you should be in. I have no idea. The maps, the Apple maps.

Highlights the lane you should be in. It'll be far right, because you've got to exit. He's in far left. Do you know your left from right? I'm like, you've got to get over. Fuck Apple maps, Google maps, all the way. Oh my God. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, out of gas. And thankfully I wasn't too far from home, but you know, like I had to call Natalie,

I'm like, sorry babe, I ran out of gas. She's with River. On a walk. On a walk. I'm literally, I ran out of gas as I was turning. So like- He's kind of in the middle of the street. Kind of in the middle of the street.

Like in the inner, like you're turning left? I was about to make a right turn. Okay. It's so embarrassing. No, imagine me. I was- When I received the call. Justin! That's all I could think of is if I was in to make a right turn. Okay. It's so embarrassing. No, imagine me. I was- When I received the call. Justin?

That's all I could think of is if I was in that car, I would have to just like throw the car away, like leave it. Cease to exist. You would have just gotten out of the car. I'm like, I'm done, I'm done. I was stuck. I tried to move my car to the side,

apparently not strong enough. Yeah. So he calls me. He's like, hey. He tried to move your car. Ran out of me. He's like, hey. Don't move your car. Hey, ran out of gas. I'm like, oh my God. He's like, yeah, could you bring,

we have a gas can in the backyard for like the power washer. He's like, I think there's some gas in it. Like, can you bring that? It should be enough to just like get me to the closest gas station. I'm with River. Not to pick a fight, but I did say in that moment, I said, actually, you probably should go fill it up with gas.

It was like an either or. It was like an or, like if you wanted to, you could go. And I was like, you know what? It's my fault for running out of gas, but I definitely said you should definitely go to the gas station. I heard or. So then I was like, okay, well, I do have River with me.

So like the fastest thing is to like, just get this gas can to him. She was like, needed to take a nap, was like cranky, crying, not happy River. So I pull up, I give him the gas and I'm sitting there and I'm like, like, can we go or are you good? He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, go. I'm like, okay. So I drive off, I get to the light at the end. He calls me. He's like, not enough. Car's not starting. I was like, are you fucking kidding me? So then he's like,

I thought she was going to turn around, grab the gas can and then go to the gas station. He just said, can you get me some more gas? So I was like, sure. So I go grab the gas can, and then go to the gas station. Well, he just said, can you get me some more gas? So I was like, sure. So I go to the gas station, come to find out I'm also low on gas at this point. So thank God I do go to the gas station. I fill up myself and then I have to go inside to get the gas can. Well, I have to take River out of the car. Can't leave her in the car.

That's a whole production. Take River out of the car, bring her inside the gas station, get the gas can, pay for the gas can, come out, put River back in her car seat. She's absolutely livid. She's screaming, she's crying, everyone's staring at me. I'm filling up the gas can. I put it, I'm like, oh, wait, I gotta hear, so I'm like, I think it's on!

And I put it in the passenger floorboard seat. I'm driving, I'm driving, I'm driving, I'm driving, I'm driving, I'm driving. There's Nick, I have to make a U-turn to get to him. U-turn, gas can, falls, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, all over the passenger floorboard. No! And... So her car is fuming with gas. U-turn, gas can, fall, all over.

No! And... So her car is fuming with gas. I have to pull... I have to... In this weather? You have to take River out? Oh, no, this was like three weeks ago.

Yeah, this was a while. Yeah, this was like three weeks ago. I have to take River out of Nally's car because it's full of gas, and put her in my car, and fill it up with gas, take River home. If there's anything wrong with me ever in life,

it's because I had to breathe in all of those gas fumes. You're high as shit right now. I will say though, I couldn't move my car and a very kind homeless man was like, let me help you and he helped me push my car off to the side. I never have cash on me, but for some reason I had $200 bills that were just like putting a hole in my wallet and I gave him $100 bill.

That's so nice. Well, you know, it's the least I could do. That's nice of him, be honest. It was the least I could do. He clearly was stronger than Nick to get to the side. That's a two man job. Well, someone has to steer it and someone has to push it. Yeah, it was like it's tough to do by yourself.

Thank you, Justin. You're welcome. I did call it embarrassing two seconds ago. The only reason we brought up the story today is because we got it shampooed, we got it detailed. I came home, I immediately started shampooing it. You put a bunch of baking. Put baking soda on it, that didn't really do much.

Then we got it detailed, that kinda helped. He spent maybe an hour power washing the mat. And I was like, well, you know, you could just get a new one on Amazon. Yeah. We got a detail that kind of helped. He spent maybe an hour power washing the mat. And I was like, well, you know, you could just get a new one on Amazon. Yeah. I spent so much time power washing that mat. Yeah, I did.

And then I was like, I could just do this. I could get a new one for 75 bucks. But then the color might not match. So I'm with Nick, you have to have the same one. No, we're gonna do this. No, no, no, it was like, this has to be thrown away. You can go to the dealership

and get literally the exact same thing. All right. Yeah. Gasoline soaked. So then might we? Well, it's smell like gas. And so Natalie's good friend, Chambliss, her boyfriend is in the boat cleaning business.

Okay. And so he deals with like smells and cleaning. Ellis Marine detailing if you're in the Savannah area. If you're in the Savannah area. And boats get smelly. Yeah. And so he told us because for the past three weeks, like it kind of still smelling

ass and we're like what are we gonna do? Do we have to get a new fucking car? Like can't you just keep getting in this car? Like we definitely cleaned it but it just it gave a little it gave gas. I don't know how you get it out. I'll tell you how. There's this thing called like oh. He was like you need to get the ozone machine or whatever it's for it's usually for when

people like smoke cigarettes in their house and like it's a rental or whatever and they have to, so they have to like ozone a house to like get the cigarette smell out. And so you can, he like ozone my car, this guy Logan. His name's Logan, he's in the Sherman Oaks area. Hold on, he sent me his. We got a guy. You got a guy.

Oh, he's got an ozone guy. Logan's auto detailing and coating. If anyone has spilled gas in the LA area and they don't know how to get gas or a foreign smell out of their car, it's this young man, very, he works out of his house, very young professional. Yes. Does great work. You'll also detail and wash your car. Yeah. This is really helpful info. But he also, when I was on the phone with him,

I'm like, Hey, so like, um, this is what happened. And he was like, well, you could just buy this Ozo machine off Amazon. And I was like, I'm not in the business of running this machine myself. I'd like to bring it to you. And, um, he was like, I'm not in the business of running this machine myself. I'd like to bring it to you. And he was like, actually funny story. I spilled gasoline in my sister's trunk two days ago and I was like, Oh my God. He's like, I'm taking the ozone machine over there right now to run this bitch. I'm like, damn, let me know how it worked. The people were connected.

How does it smell? You ran this morning. Oh, it smells great. I mean, there's a weird, I mean, it's like the smell of ozone, but like way better than gas. Yeah. It leaves it like a little. What's the smell of ozone? It's this morning. Oh, it smells great. I mean, there's a weird, I mean, it's like the smell of ozone, but like way better than gas. Yeah. It leaves a little smell of ozone. It's not gas. Yeah, it's fine. It's like, it's like a fumigation. And he put an air freshener in there. So like it'll, it'll smell fine in like in a day or two. Yeah. Have you ever seen the Seinfeld episodes, the smelly car? Yes. Yes. That's what you're

experiencing. That's what we were experiencing, but I don't know if they had the Ozone machine back in the eighties. So, you know, that was a product of BO, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The valet has BO. By the way, we have a great episode lined up today. Molly O'Connell from Southern Charm is joining us via Zoom. She's also, she was on America's Next Top Model.

She also sings. I get more questions about that than I do Southern Charm. Do you think maybe she's been sexting Craig to like maybe bring up his spirits since the breakup? That's what I want to know. Like maybe, like did she send him like a courtesy nude? Hey, sorry you're hurting, here's a titty. Honestly? Honestly? Honestly? It would be very kind.

Yeah, it would be. It would be generous. As long as she had his consent. Obviously. Obviously. Obviously, yes, of course. Also, Emily D. Baker joins us, our legal, unofficial legal correspondent for TikTok. Is it gonna be here next week? I don't know. I hope it's not. I don't know.

Honestly, mixed feelings. But Emily is gonna join us later this episode to give us a 411 on all the legal aspects of the TikTok ban. Will it survive? Will someone buy it? A lot of burning questions. But before it is canceled, according to TikTok and Bustle, TikTok's latest movement is full Bush positivity. This is an incredible article.

What does it say in there? Okay. So basically, amid murmurs of an upcoming TikTok ban, users have taken the unique opportunity to do and say the things they've previously left undone and unsaid. This TikTok's... Which is... The TikTok's final words is... TikTok's final words is to quote, full bush in a bikini. Okay.

It was this girl on... It all started with a still unfound Etsy review, where the customer in question posted her thoughts on a bikini with a personal photo in tow. Although the image is widely unseen, one TikToker who has posted about the beauty of body hair before came across the review and she just said in her video repeating it over and over full Bush in a bikini, full Bush in a bikini.

She was radicalized by that Etsy review for real. Like, yeah, that's how it should be. Um, but now that video is 14 million views and the discourse is discoursing and people are like, Bush's are so hot. I don't care. I commented one user and what about it are so hot, I don't care, commented one user. And what about it? Who is saying it's hot? One user.

Okay. I'm not against a full bush in a bikini. Like I'm not against full bush at all. I mean, I obviously was like pregnant. There's not a lot you can do when you're pregnant. You know, it's like, I don't need Nick who has only ever shaved his face and his balls to shave my cooch.

So I was like, I'll just remain how I am. And thank God I was still able to push a baby through it. But since having baby, you know- Do guys shave their balls? Yeah. Do guys shave their balls? Do guys shave their balls? I don't know why I'm asking y'all, but- Possible. Yes. I don't know. I shave their balls. Yeah, do guys shave their balls do guys shave their balls It's I don't know why I'm asking y'all possible. Yeah, I know

Absolutely, they do. I mean I've said it before I near because I'm afraid of putting a razor. Oh, yeah He's in there. I don't I don't have razors on that crazy I keep it clean. It's like your thinnest skin on your body. You're just the timing has to time you have to watch it Yeah, this article also references the Real Housewives of New York City. I guess in the most recent episode, Jenna Lyons shared a photo of her own straight haired bush with her cast mates. Straight haired bush.

Jenna Lyons, I guess has a straight haired bush. Yep, that's not normal. I don't, well I've- Pupes typically have a texture. Little curly keel. Can't relate to that. Anyways. People's hair is not straight. It's not, but generalizes.

But apparently Natalie is. And apparently Natalie is too. Do you think she's straight? Do you think I straighten mine? Yours is straight? I think body hair, like all bodies are all different. I'll be honest, but I've never really examined. Thankfully I am married to a man who's like,

is that hair? I don't really give a fuck. Same, along with like period. It's like, is that hair? I don't really give a fuck. Same along with like period is like, is that blood? I don't really give a fuck, you know, because he's an adult. Thank God and old as fuck. Thank God. And so, you know, I like I'm busy. I don't have a lot of time to be in the shower and be shaving my whole body. Right. Like and I definitely cannot shave my legs and my cooch in one go. Like, it's just not it, it's not gonna work.

So it's, you know, it's like fine. So yesterday, Nick is like, hey, I booked us massages. And I'm like, oh my God, that's so nice. I'm in a second. As you guys know, I am on my health kick in 2025, the water fast, haven't had any sugar, haven't had any coffee, haven't indulged in any extracurricular activities.

And so we were stuck at home and we were hoping to get maybe like someone who was also stuck at home who gives like massages and I got a couple numbers asked around and I got one massage and then I got one person just stretching and like lymphatic draining and I was like, you know what, I could use a stretch. Yeah, I bet you could, carry on.

I'm not very flexible, we don't stretch, we just don't stretch. Can you touch your toes? No. You can't? You can a stretch. Yeah, I bet you could. Carry on. I'm not very flexible. We don't stretch. We just don't stretch. Can you touch your toes? No. You can't? You can't stretch. So the acid you've let out of your body with your fast? I need to get more flexible is the point.

So I booked a stretcher instead of a massage. Well, he didn't tell me that. I did not. So he told me, hey, massage is coming at three. Now I think she's getting a full massage here. I'm like, oh, great, okay. So she's setting up in the playroom, you know, away from the dogs, Nick Scott River.

Nick's like, why don't you go first? I'm like, cool, I'll go first. So I wear my little boy short panties, like I always do for a massage, put the robe on, and I walk in there and she's like, hey, I'm like, hey. She's like, so do you wanna start with like stretching or lymphatic or stretching and lymphatic or And I was like waiting for her to say regular massage and I was like, uh, I guess stretching and lymphatic

She's like, okay So it was like waiting for me to get on the table Usually like, you know, they leave the room, let you get under the blanket, whatever. So I was like, what do you want me to wear for this? Cause I'm wearing like just underwear. And she was like, oh, underwear's fine. And I was like, and my boobs are good to be out.

And she's like, I've seen boobs, but if you're more comfortable, you can. And I was like, okay. So she's like, lay on top. And I'm like, on top of the blanket. Okay, so I dropped my robe in front of her and I get on the table. She's like, so we'll start with some stretching and I'm like, okay.

And she grabs my leg and she pulls it to the side and I'm like, oh fuck. Oh fuck. So you're topless? I'm out, boobs are just out. Incredible. Thankfully she was like, oh here, I can put this towel over you. I know this is your house and like your husband, but like if you want, and I was like, yeah,

that would be great. So she does cover my boobs eventually. Leg is open and then leg goes up and then other leg goes out. And I, she's like, you need to relax, try to relax. And I'm like, my bush is in your face. I can't relax. Like I would have worn workout shorts if I knew we were stretching, like we were in a gym. I thought this was a massage. The whole time there's like not one second of silence. And I think it's

because we were both so uncomfortable. They were chatting it up like crazy. I had to take River on a walk. They were chatting so much. And I'm laying there and I unfortunately watch her eyes drop too many times. And I was like, oh no, she's looking at it. And I've never been more scarred in my entire life. And I think she was also scarred and it was just a nightmare of a situation. And it was like too many leg movements and she was just right. She was right there, you know, it almost grabbed a nightmare of a situation. And it was like too many leg movements. And she was just right, she was right there, you know?

It almost grabbed ahold of her. And I, it could have been real bad. We could have lost her. She was in the forest. She was in the forest. She was looking through the trees. My bad, poor communication on my part. No, for sure.

So, she made it out alive. I thought I told her that we were getting a stretch. So. Definitely would have worn a full workout outfit if I knew we were stretching. So, she made it out alive. I thought I told her that we're gonna stretch, so. Definitely would have worn a full workout outfit if I knew we were stretching, but I thought it was a nice massage, you know, face down. I just love the idea that she thought that you wanted to be stretched topless, bush out.

Dead ass, I was like, I wish she would have been like, oh, just like shorts are fine. Oh, amazing, I'll be right back. This is my house. But like. The closet was right there. Like, it's so- Truly.

Also wish she would have been like, and if underwear, no bush, please. I would have been like, I'll be right back. Maybe she's actually the TikToker that said full bush in a bikini. Maybe. I hope to God it was her because I don't know if she'll ever come back.

The way she just kept saying, just relax, just relax. Loosen up this leg. How is Heidi still number one? Yeah, I think so. I mean, Heidi also just she's filming her music video. I don't know if they already filmed it, but that's going. There's paparazzi photos everywhere of them currently around Santa Barbara, which is so iconic because they she used to make like TikToks being like, you call the paparazzi photos everywhere of them currently around Santa Barbara. Which is so iconic because she used to make TikToks being like, you call the paparazzi, I'm leaving this store. And it'd be like her filming herself calling the

paparazzi. And now they don't have to call the paparazzi. My favorite thing about this story is just the way Heidi and Spencer are a team. I think what I find so inspiring and attractive about this story is this, and I think we need to acknowledge it more and more. I love the way husbands will support a wife. It's just the way Spencer has been riding for Heidi in the manner that he has. I find it to be so awesome and so attractive in a way that I think we need more of that.

I think we need to celebrate it just in general. I don't think we do that enough. Whether you're in a relationship romantically or not, I think we need to celebrate it just in general. I don't think we do that enough. And whether you're in a relationship, romantically or not, like just, I think we need to celebrate people like having the backs of their people, whether it's your friends or things like that. I just find that to be so attractive and great. And I just want to commend Spencer and Heidi in general,

but like, I just love the way Spencer is riding so hard for his wife. And like they clearly are a team and facing this tragedy. And I think it's something we need to celebrate. I was gonna say, I respect it a lot too because they're transparent that it's not easy. I know there was a live stream they did recently. It was Spencer's live stream where it was clipped

and it was Heidi asking him, can you just get off the live stream, not right now, not right now, but it's him being like, well, we have to support the family. So he's continuing, it's not easy and they're very transparent. Yeah. And I love that they just have each other's backs.

And I think I just think that's great. I just, you know, I think too much now our society is very much like individualistic. You know, it's all about like thinking about what you need yourself. You know, it's just like, and I, I love that we're, I think, transitioning to more like celebrating people who are protecting their own, thinking outside of themselves, you know? Like whether it's just your wife or your kids, but like not just thinking about you the individual,

and I think it's great, absolutely. And your friends. I mean, there was like this kind of trend going around for a while that was like, if your friends aren't liking your posts, like they're not your friends. Like that's a bare minimum of just support your friends and have their backs, and it's like,

you can't even do that. Yeah, having their back. Or is this the way, Justin Baldoni's back in the news. Apparently his lawyer is demanding Disney hold documents to support his claim that Ryan teased him in Deadpool. Did this stem from social media? Like was this some fan who was like,

oh I think nice pulls about and then they were like. I think fans always are looking for Easter eggs and speculate but it really stemmed from Justin Baldoni's lawyer doing his press tour and trying to like try this case in the court of public opinion and making the accusation that Ryan was like. Bullying him. Yeah, implying that he was bullying...

The lawyer went on Megyn Kelly and was like, is this the type of thing that somebody who was protecting his wife would do? Maybe. And make a joke about it? Probably. That was the argument there. His legal team specifically says, reflecting a deliberate attempt to mock, harass, ridicule, intimidate or bully Baldoni through the character

of Nice Bull. That's mock or harass? I mean, that's just ridiculous. I hate even giving it oxygen, but back to supporting your partner, I don't know what it would be like to be in Blake's position had this gone on, but I imagine it'd be very difficult. Also, according to Justin's team, a week ago,

it wasn't the only thing that Ryan did. Again, according to the complaint that, apparently according to Justin's team, like a week ago, it wasn't the only thing that Ryan did. Again, according to the complaint that, apparently, according to Justin's lawyer, Ryan, what was the phrase? Berated. Berated him for fat shaming Blake? And it's just like, well, which one is it? Like, is that all he did was mock Justin, or did he also stand up for his wife

when you called her trainer? Are people just tired of this guy playing the victim here? I don't know. Again, I know we've talked about this a lot. Some of you have listed, obviously, some of you are Team Justin. We respect that, fine. My opinion, just to remind you,

is primarily based on the fact that I had met Justin before I interviewed Justin and was left just with a really terrible impression of the man, and then obviously reading the complaints and all the, like, what I perceive as very, like, strong evidence against Justin versus like all the like list of text messages that Justin put out there to just kind of confuse people but also people are just like in the comments it's like you're not you're not giving

Justin a fair opportunity you got to wait for like this is we give our opinion on the show to be clear you know like we bring people like Emily Baker on or Elizabeth Blackmeister from CNN to make sure that we're forming our opinion on like Facts and good information but like make to be clear we give our opinion and we're happy to be wrong at times We're happy to have change our minds, but we are giving our opinion But once again like back to the Ryan and Blake It's it's I find it to be almost like again, creepy and just like tasteless for like Justin's lawyer is basically they're trying to use I'm assuming if even if that were true or whether it's berating Justin for fat-shaming his wife

All these stories are centered around allegedly supposedly Ryan defending his wife. That should be celebrated We should back that up. I don't know what it'd be like to be in their position I'm assuming you'd do all sorts of things, but like mocking someone for doing what he did? Yeah, of course I would do that. Like, and the fact that people are eating that up as if like that somehow makes it less valid. You know, Blake's arguments

because Ryan may have mocked him in a movie. I mean, I imagine, wouldn't you? Like, are we, how do we know what you would do if you were stuck in that movie? I mean, I imagine wouldn't you? Like, are we, how do we know what you would do if you were stuck in that situation? We don't, but all I know is that if somebody was fat shaming me or made me feel uncomfortable if Connor wasn't berating them, then we have a problem. Yeah, or mocking them or, you know, making fun of them or finding your own way to like express yourself. I mean, it must be very challenging to be in their shoes

to not be able to speak out. Obviously, everyone has lawyers involved. Most of the time, lawyers say, don't say anything, you don't say anything, gotta wait the long games. Here they are, just like the internet is doing their thing. We now know that, again, allegedly Justin and a lot of it seems to be strong evidence to back it up, hired this whole crisis PR team,

again, the same one that took down Amber Heard, and then very same patterns online. And it's just like, imagine what it would be like to be in their position. What were they left to do? And then it just seems so gross that everything that Justin's being accused of, they're just trying to spin it around and flip it,

and then try to court a public opinion. It just seems like the only people who want to believe Justin are the people who like went to school with a girl that remind them of Blake Lively. That's just my opinion. Again, my opinion. You guys are welcome to be wrong, but again, my opinion strongly based on the fact that I met Justin and I just really got it bad. Whether he allegedly mocked him or not, who knows, but I know I would if I were in his shoes. I just, I'm all for people standing up for their wives,

their partners, their friends, their family, their people, their coworkers, like having each other's back. We don't have that enough. Like, I feel like the past few years, it's all about take care of yourself, worry about yourself and like not speak up, you know, and no one wants to like have their people's back. And so back to Heidi and Spencer,

I love the way they're supporting each other. I love their way they're being a family and I think it's very inspiring and I wanna see more of it. I love the way a bunch of celebrities have been posting it, like Diplo's been posting supporting Heidi and Spencer. I mean, the list is long in terms of- Paris Hilton. Paris Hilton.

Tiger Castle of the Hills is supporting it. So- St. Piaul and his kale salad. Yeah, there you go. We were making kale salad. River. I don't know, I love it. I'm happy for them and I'm just ready for Justin and his lawyer to hopefully go away. Does this not seem petty that they're doing this?

Once again, read the complaints. Read them in full detail and have an open mind. Sydney Sweeney, what an interesting marketer to her movies. She's committed. I will give her that. She is committed. I don't her that. She is committed. I don't know.

I mean, she stepped out with Brandon Sklinar who was in It Ends With Us. Also supported Blake Lively. And is now in Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo. They're filming that or just finished filming it or whatever. He's one of the husbands. I don't know who he is in it, but he's in it. Sidney Sweeney is in it.

And they have been photographed together. Now they're just walking. They're just going somewhere. It's definitely not as juicy as the Glenn Powell of it all. But they do look couple-ish. Do you think, or are they just walking together? You hate photos. You always say this. You're like, photos say nothing.

You're right, but if you were in a photo with a coworker like that, it would be a little uncomfy. Wasn't it they left a Broadway show together or something? They just seem like they're hanging out in public together. They're literally just walking. They're not holding hands, they're not close together, they're not hooked with arms, like they're just walking. Maybe I just have Glenn Powell PTSD from that movie.

I think that's what's happening here. And either way, I mean, the one thing I will give her is that if teasing an on-set relationship while everybody knowing that she's engaged, if that helps with her marketing, I'm like, I feel like it's kind of genius. They're also with another girl. It's a group of people walking.

It's not even the two of them walking. The girl's father to her right. It just makes me think of the SNL sketch, Bow and Straight. Have you seen that? Bow and Straight with, when Sydney Sweeney hosted SNL, she did a pre-taped sketch with Bowen Yang, where it was basically Bowen Yang was lying about being gay the whole time,

and he was actually hooking up with Sydney Sweeney. It's really funny, and it's really smart, because it leans into her whole thing as well. She's not doing that. She is not doing that. Her and Glenn Powell were very cozy. I mean, when that was going on, the Glenn Powell one, I was like, they're in a relationship.

You couldn't do that just for press. That one had to be marketing, yeah. I think it was marketing. Yeah, boy, and her fiance, he's strong. Very secure man. Well, I think he's a producer. I think he helps. He's on set.

Yeah, he's on set with these films, and so he definitely is. And I guess. He knows what's going on, so. He's on set. Yeah, he's on set with these films. And so he definitely is. I guess. He knows what's going on. So they're just walking. Mm-hmm. Nothing to see. On a positive note,

Kate Middleton has revealed that she is in remission from cancer. Okay. Congrats, Kate. Congrats, Kate. Yay. Yay. Has Harry and Meghan reached out?

As far as we know, no. But they did give their Montecito house to a lot of people who were evacuating fires. They've been nonstop at the donation centers. Meghan Markle delayed her cooking show in March. I feel like that was more of a Netflix thing, but. Maybe. You can't hate her because it's that woman

who's spreading all the hate around Blake Lively's also in charge of the Meghan Markle stuff. So like, are you on women's side or not? Don't let the propaganda get to your brain. Did y'all see that Brad Pitt has an imposter and he catfished this imposter? Catfished a woman out of $800,000. And honestly, this man looks more like Brad Pitt.

See, I don't like this headline because as we were discussing earlier, I think it's just Photoshopped. I think it's just a straight up catfish. Oh really? Honestly, this man looks more like Brad Pitt than Brad Pitt himself. See, I don't like this headline because as we were discussing earlier, I think it's just photoshopped. I think it's just a straight up catfish, it's a way. Oh really? Yeah, if you look at the photos from him in the hospital about it literally looks like Brad Pitt on a red carpet.

Well, I wanna clarify, Nick originally said, the man looks exactly like Brad Pitt. I'm pretty sure. I said the man looks more like Brad Pitt than Brad Pitt. And then because I read the headline and they referred to him as an imposter. And like, imposter implies someone who like, looks like and is acting like,

it makes you believe they're that person. A catfish is just someone who's like, sends you the picture of the person they're trying to pretend to be and says, I'm this person. And the other person is dumb enough to believe them. What do they call it? Just a public service announcement.

You're not dating anyone you've never met. Period. I think the public service announcement is if it's somebody like Brad Pitt, George Clooney. No, or anyone. If you've never met them, you're not dating. You're not dating and don't send them money. But second of all, too, I'm like, there's never going to be a world where Brad Pitt needs a kidney transplant and you're the only person that can provide for him. I think it's just sad because they like manipulate, like they target really vulnerable people

who obviously like are in a place where they would believe it. 100% it said that she found out. She had $800,000 to give away. That doesn't mean you're in a good place. Well that was from a divorce settlement. Because she divorced her husband to be with Brad Pitt. No, I think she was going through a divorce.

She divorced him to be with Brad? That's what I thought, maybe not, I think she was going through a divorce. She divorced him to be with Brad? That's what I thought, maybe not. I thought she was going through a divorce and had mentioned that she was going through her settlement and that's when the scammer was like, send me money, I need help, I have health problems. Do you think she asked fake Brad about the plane ride? To be like, hey, before we take any next steps

in our relationship, I just gotta know what happened. I guarantee you she hasn't even heard about it or read about it. She's probably just visualizing Mr. and Mrs. Smith or Thelma and Louise. Did she share any of the photos of said Brad? There was a attachment to it. The hospital bed one.

Did you wanna pull it up? I'm like, it's pretty apparent. It said that she found out that she was swindled when the real Brad stepped out with his girlfriend. And this is after she's already sent him approximately 850,000. And these are Photoshop photos? Oh my god, you're kidding. That's what she got and she said, this is my man?

Yeah, sent from a hospital, but... She did say, I'm not used to social media and I didn't really understand what was happening to me. This fooled me. So how did she meet this fellow? Did she say that? Did he like message her on WhatsApp or kick or ask me anything? Doesn't your mom have like an acquaintance or friend

who thinks she's dating Keanu Reeves? Yeah, yeah. It happens to a lot of people. Catfish has been running for how many years? I know, but- It happened to Nick, that woman showed up on our front door. But we declared, didn't happen to me. Someone was pretending to be me.

And this woman showed up on our front doorstep and he was like, and I'm in the house, and he was like, I have a girlfriend. She's like, you told me she was fake and only for Instagram. I'm like, wait a day, I'll fucking then open this toilet and beat this bitch up. No, I know they're vulnerable, but they're not stupid.

And that's what was crazy about this woman who showed up on my door. Like she was for all intents and purposes, a normal person. She seemed smart enough, you know, like very capable. And she emphasized how crazy she wasn't. And I was like, I think I've told this story. I said, you may not be crazy, but I need you to recognize, but this is.

This moment right here. She was like, I flew in from Canada. It was during COVID, she like quarantined for like two days. Told her to quarantine before they saw each other. And then they sent your address? She figured out where we lived. Okay. And then showed up at 7 a.m.

No. Yeah, it was scary, but. Well, this woman was 53 years old. So I think it's a social media thing that she just didn't understand. And this is also why AI is dangerous. 53 is not 93. But also, I know people who are younger than that,

who are great on social media, who are also getting catfished. Exactly, it can happen to anybody. And it's like, you've just gotta, You gotta use your brain. If you're not FaceTiming this person and seeing their face or meeting them in real life, like you can't, don't need the money.

There's only so many medical emergencies they can have for why they can't meet you this time. Right. Or why their camera phone doesn't work. Yep, yep, their camera's broken. But here's a selfie from the red carpet. I just don't like the headline, it's just not an imposter. It's just a catfish. Woman was catfished.

Yeah, that is crazy. It really, I mean, I was like another person who looks like Brad Pitt. Yeah. I know, and then the photo showed two pictures of Brad Pitt and I was like, well, God damn, that's good. Well, listen, Nick and I were fooled, okay?

Like she got these photos. But I was fooled by the headline, not the photos. I didn't like do a deep dive on all the photos. It said imposter. Who is the woman who looks just like Taylor Swift or just like Ariana Grande? Well, sure, because it said imposter. Natalie has a point that there's like imposters

of Taylor Swift, Ariana Grande, these are real people that look like them. They just creepily really look like them. There's a Taylor Swift imposter who showed up at the Grove and like hired security and like- I know her name, but I won Grove and hired security and walked and acted like, and wanted people to pretend that she was Taylor Swift. There's been Michael Jackson impersonators, things like that.

So when you say impersonator, I'm thinking that. I'm not thinking catfish. Catfish is just like any of us claiming to be someone else and sending photos of that other person saying, I'm this person. I mean. Yeah, valid. Now the Ariana Grande impersonator is scary.

Yeah. She didn't want to go to the Wicked premiere and they were like, no. Can I see a picture of this person? She dyed her hair blonde when Ariana did. And then I think she's on OnlyFans making content. Yeah. She is.

It's really, really gross. Whoa. I mean, the Salt Lake City cast got fooled by a fake Trixie Mattel in Milwaukee. Oh, I saw that. Trixie sent a fake Trixie. Yeah, that's the impersonator. That's crazy.

It's crazy. And she literally like makes the same facials. She also walked on a runway dressed as Ariana like done up as Ariana. It was really bizarre and crazy. Jesus, what about Taylor Swift's impersonator? I don't really think she looks that much like her, it was really bizarre and crazy. Jesus, what about Taylor Swift impersonator? I don't really think she looks that much like her, but she really tries.

And then she'll get up, she does TikTok lives or she's like singing Taylor Swift song, like girl. That just looks like a woman. But if she goes out in public and she has her quote unquote security and she's wearing like people definitely think it's her. Okay, fair enough. When you see someone super famous, you won't believe it's them and you're like, like, people definitely think it's her. It's the Ash, Farina. When you see someone super famous,

you just, you won't believe it's them, and you're like, is that them? Or like, how many times you've like, mistaken somebody being like, I think that's, and then you get closer, and you're like, no, it's not. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we had that moment with Justin the other day.

I didn't hear about this. Wait, what happened? Yeah, I thought we saw Justin in the car. Oh, no, yeah. Well, it was only because they had the same car as you. The same car. The hair was the same. And I was like, oh my God, there's Justin. Same car in the car. Oh no, yeah. Well, it was only because they had the same car as you. The same car. The hair was the same. Yeah, the same car.

And I was like, oh my God, there's Justin. He was an Asian. Well, I don't remember. But we almost rolled down the window and then we were like, oops. It was like, it was the same car, same haircut from the back. I was like, is that Justin? Sue me. He could be at the airport. Justin has sued over Les.

That is true. Uh, Traders drama, Lindsay Hubbard speaks up. I'm confused by this story. Can you bring people up to speed, Justin? So I mean, originally, like back before, when the Traders cast was announced, we saw that Sierra was representing Summerhouse on the cast. People immediately started spreading a rumor that allegedly Dorinda told production that

Lindsay was pregnant and then she got removed from the cast and then Sierra replaced her. Sure. To which Peacock and Bravo all said, completely false. Producers came out and said, that's absolutely false. I know there was comments of Lindsay on post kind of implying she never really met Dorinda, Dorinda would have never known. Now she's saying that at a party she wasn't at, there was rumors of Dorinda going around telling people that she miscarried implying that she was then

pregnant. And Dorinda was drunk. And Dorinda was drunk. But was Lindsay at this party? So how does Lindsay know that Dorinda was doing this? Multiple people told her apparently what was being said. But that still has nothing to do with whether she was or wasn't on Traders. Yeah, this is very confusing. It took reading this like five times for me to actually understand what

even the rumor was. You know what I found out? You want to hear some Traders? Tea? Yes, spill. Absolutely. So, Aion now sadly has left the show. We all, you know, as we know, the fires have affected LA. As Drinda pointed out in Watch What Happens Live, her press tour was canceled. So was Aion's. They were both going to be in studio last week,

but obviously we had to adjust a lot of our schedule due to the fires. I didn't know, and no disrespect, she's obviously a star in her own right, but I wasn't totally familiar when it was pitched to me that Ayaan wanted to come on in the cast. So I was like, oh, and Leia was like, oh, I'm like, send me her Instagram.

She sends me her Instagram, and I look her up, and I'm like, oh, and then I was just kind of, you know, taking a look, and I went to my messages and noticed that Ayaan had messaged me. She had DM'd me in the past. Uh, multiple times. Does Natalie know of this? I told her the first message I on sent me was April 17th, 2017.

2017. 2017. This is like time to receive. This is fresh off the yeah, this is right after The Bachelor, I think, my season got done airing. I think I was finishing Dancing with the Stars. It was right around, I might have been done with Dancing with the Stars, I might be on Dancing with the Stars, it was right around that time.

Her first comment to me is, you're full of yourself as a man. With four cry, laugh, you face emojis. Now she's replying to a story. I unfortunately can't look up what that story was. It says story unavailable. I wish I could go back. It was probably you like painting shirtless or something.

Probably, yeah. I mean, listen, I was- Skate dancing shirtless. I was just, I was trying to see what landed on my page. I didn't really know at the time. Literally this is- Figuring out the tone. This is when Instagram stories literally just became a thing. Mind you, like, I don't know know at the time. Literally this is when Instagram stories literally just became a thing, mind you. Like, I don't know what's going on. When Instagram stories first came out,

I was just like opening up and just taking selfies and not talking, because I really didn't know how to talk to the camera at that point. My friends were like, you need to stop doing that. I mean, you were full of yourself as a man apparently. Well, I mean. Was it the third selfie? That's hard to argue. It's hard to say I probably was, you were full of yourself as a man, apparently. Well, I mean, that's hard to argue.

It's hard. It's hard. It's hard to say. I probably would, you know, a year goes by. Oh, no. A year and two months, June 9th, 2018, she follows up. And this is not a reply to anything. That I'm aware of. It's just seems to be unprompted, but you need to grow up.

I'm dead. She hates you. She fucking hates your guts. And then right around, and then she DM'd me December 21st of this last past year, but I think this was around scheduling her to come on, and she just messaged, do you live in LA? Which, I gotta, I really respect her because she clearly messaged me before, like, she messaged me, she could've seen these other messages and unsent them, but she's like, nah, fuck it. Just gonna leave them for him to see.

She is who she is. It really makes me love her. I'm telling you, Dubai housewives, she was gold. I just want, I can't wait to have her on. I just thought, what, what? We have so many questions. How did I land on your radar? She's in Dubai.

Incredible. Do you remember the story you responded to telling me I was full of myself? She probably is no. I'd like to post it again. How did I look? I do not recall. Was it good? Yeah.

Well she's, oh. She's popping up in the Twitter comments right now about traders. Basically there was a tweet reading, I will absolutely not be rooting for the traders. Oh. She's popping up in the Twitter comments right now about traitors. Basically, there was a tweet reading, I will absolutely not be rooting for the traitors. How are you gonna, this is not, Chanel by the way, how are you gonna kill Dorinda and Ayaan who are both giving us all the entertainment?

Bob knew they were gonna steal his screen time and he couldn't have that. I hope Dylan gets his ass. And Ayaan then responded, it was all about this. Ooh. So she's being shady. She's confirming the allegation that Bob didn't want his,

Bob was also full of himself, apparently. Yeah, and he needed to grow up. He needed to grow up. He needed to grow up. You and Bob have so much in common. Probably, yeah. You know who's not full of themselves and doesn't need to grow up?

Dylan Efron. He added to his bio, happiest outside and misguided. He's owning it. He is. You know, it's nice to see him shy. I'm rooting for him. You know? So hard.

Who isn't rooting for him? Right? The hot brother of another. The loving man. Hot man. But he's smart too. Do you think Zach is handling this with grace and support for his brother?

Or do you think there's any, you know? For sure, they did that documentary series together. So that's why his title says, Down to Earth. Oh, that's what that is. It confused me. I was like, I'm watching it. I remember, he's down to earth. I'm like, that's his show.

I did not know that. I was like, wow, they really think he's a sensible guy. I do. I watched. He does seem down to earth. I watched that and I enjoyed it. And I forgot. It is very enjoyable.

Yeah. They're really wholesome. My question is. You had to ruin that for me. Sorry. My question is, does this like name misguided make Bob the Drag Queen Dylan Efron's drag mother? Because if we know anything about drag,

when you name someone. I don't. It makes... If we know anything about drag. A lot of time in drag, like in drag. You have a drag mother? Drag queens will have a drag mother, and they'll like, you know, help you, shape you,

take you on as one of their own. And I think Bob might technically be Dylan Efron's drag mother. So you don't get a choice? Well, I mean, you can. I mean, you can disown your drag children. So you don't get a choice. Well, I mean you can. I mean you can disown your drag children, your drag children could maybe disown you. The drama is drama.

The drama is drama. They're drag queens, they have drama. But anyway. Well in other news, it seems as though they're filming something outside of something about her. So my prediction about Tom and Tom getting a spinoff, completely wrong. Katie and Ariana. It. Katie and Ariana.

It's Katie and Ariana. What do you think it's gonna be? I feel like it's a commercial. Yeah. I think it's a pilot. Oh? You think it's a spin-off? Yeah.

I mean, there were... I don't think they needed to, I just... There were sources speaking out saying that. Pilot though, I just, well, if it's a pilot, then it's not Bravo. I just don't see, I don't see Bravo doing a show, slash spin-off with Ariana and Katie and like doing a pilot, then it's not Bravo. I just don't see, I don't see Bravo doing a show slash spin-off with Ariana and Katy in like doing a pilot.

It's like they're gonna just decide whether they are gonna commit to a series or not. If it's like a Hulu or something else, then maybe, or yeah. I don't. Can you imagine if it's just a commercial? The internet would be gagged. Can somebody on their way's just a commercial? Can somebody? The internet would be gagged. Yeah. Can somebody on their way home just continually drive past

just to see how many times there's a camera crew outside? How many takes? Because it definitely could be something that's not a spin-off. Or what if it's a crossover from like Beverly Hills Housewives and they're filming in something about her and Katie and Ariana are like serving them up sandwiches.

Chuck E. Cheese style. That was so fucking nasty of them to do that. I felt so seen in that moment. I loved it. I know you did. We'll get into it after we talk to Molly, but I have never disagreed or thought A Housewife was more wrong than watching Kyle

on this episode of Beverly Hills Housewife. I honestly, Kyle was so wrong and so like out of touch with her take that it felt almost staged and fake. It's just like, I don't know, maybe it's just not real. I just couldn't imagine that Kyle is this self-centered, manipulative, delusional, just that bad of a friend, that much of a not-a-girls girl, the list goes on. I just, it's hard to believe that Kyle would be this way

if not just like taking one for the team for the Beverly Hills Housewives. It was shocking. I feel so vindicated and so proud. Cause you're like, I don't hate Kyle. This is not for my love of Doreen. No, no. It was just more like, what is she doing?

Quickly, do y'all remember Nick loving Doreen's hat in the first episode, the one that was like... The disc. Yeah. Did I? Yeah, because last time he was a stupid fucking hat. I was like, that's not what you said publicly. Publicly you were like, oh god, so great. It's just so un-wrenching, so cool.

Is he doing that thing that guys do where it's like he's gone too far with the attraction so now it's like, oh no, her eyes are too close together. I would never be interested in a girl like that. We're not there yet, but he was critiquing the hat. And I was like, I have to switch up, only in front of me? Yeah. It was, you know what? It was the back of her hat when I made that comment,

so I didn't have the pleasure of seeing her face. For sure. Yeah. Anyways, Molly's here, so we should get to Molly. All right, up next, a new star of Southern charm. Also runner up from America's Next Top Model a few seasons back, and I just found out what a few seasons back the show's been off for like two decades. I didn't watch. Suomi exposed. I couldn't let you go on with that.

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I've been alright. I moved into a new house recently. Congratulations. That's new, but nothing really, nothing crazy. In Charleston? Yeah, in Charleston. I just, we found out that my old house had black mold in the vents.

That is my biggest fear in life is that I'm living with black mold. How did you find out? Yeah, so my roommate saw like it coming out of the vents because he worked out in the corner where this weird vent was. And he was like, oh my God, there's mold here. So we had people check and we looked in every single vent in the house and it had it all in the vent and the HVAC system. Have you been sick a lot recently?

I always have bad allergies, but it was worse. And my roommate got diagnosed with asthma and they were giving me a bunch of inhalers over the past year. So we think it had been happening for a while and we didn't realize it. Oh no. I had to kind of like emergently move out of there really quickly. Oh, I'm so glad you're okay. Right during the premiere of the show

and then I got asked to do Watch What Happens Live and I was like actively moving when I had to leave for that, so it was just a lot. That's crazy. Well, you're now on Southern Charm. How did you end up on the show in the first place? I've just been friends with all of them for a while. I think Whitney and Madison, I mean, they're my main people.

So they're just like, you're friends with everybody and they just asked me to come on. Have you checked in on Craig since his breakup? I have not. I sent him like a meme or something. Ah! Yes. No, no, no

I mean it was the least you could do he's heartbroken I know right? Just a little boob Throw him a bone Throw him a deady No, no I did not I just sent him like some I don't even remember what it was nothing crazy or like flirty or anything Just underwear Oh it was not a water slide. It was a water slide thing.

So yeah, no, I have not checked in on him. I feel like I'm just gonna let him, I don't know. Has anyone checked on him? Is he okay? Is his heart hurting? Do we know? I mean, I would assume so. I saw the video that he posted

kind of addressing what had happened. He was smiling, but it looked like a pained smile. A sad smile. So I felt, yeah, it was very depressing. So yeah, I mean, I'm not trying to like go jump on someone who's healing. And we haven't been like that in years, so I'm not like, you know. How was it filming this season of Southern Charm? It was fun.

I'm really high stress all the time. I'm like very high strung. So I was always like, oh my God, am I boring? Does everyone hate me? Like every situation I go into, I'm like, I overthink it. And I'm like, oh no, but I actually think it went really well. Everybody was super welcoming and nice. And

I was afraid like, you know, that it may be clicky and like new people on the show, even though we're friends, I just didn't know how that was going to go. And like working technically working with my friends now being their co workers, but it was actually a lot easier than I thought it would be. And I've gotten super good feedback from, you know, everything that's been, that's aired so far, so. Yeah, I think it's been going great. I mean, besides you not beating the fuck out of Whitney for his comment about eating a cupcake.

Oh my gosh, yeah. I mean, he's just, he's very insensitive sometimes, but we know that about him, you know, it's like he's charming, but then also he can be like very blunt and you know, not the most sensitive to the situation. But I think it was more of I had just been talking about how much weight I gained and how uncomfortable I was. And so he was just being problem solving, I guess, and being like, well, maybe the cupcake is not what you need if you're trying to lose weight.

And I'm like, okay, thanks. But people don't understand, if you have a bad relationship with food, those kinds of comments can be very unhelpful. I don't know if they're helpful for anyone. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, no, not really. No. And just let me have a cupcake.

It's not like I'm eating cupcakes all day long. Like, you know, even if you want it to, I don't know. Molly, it's totally fine. I might get diabetes, but yes, I had a cupcake a few days ago. So, you know, I'm still eating them. Do you ever pop into the, the, the Republic, the Republic bar or whatever on Southern hospitality? I just started watching that.

Yeah, I do. Well, I used to frequent there all the time in my 20s. That was like the, it still is the place to be, you know, on King Street. So, and I've been there a few times. Yeah, I don't go out and drink a ton anymore. So, you know, I'm not there like I used to be, but yeah, I was there. I was there, I walked in a little like runway show that we had at Republic recently. So. Look at them, a little.

But I worked there for like a month. I'm just too old for that. You worked at Republic? Yeah, last year I worked at Republic front door. I was just like, let's do something, let's get out of the house. I was like kind of in a mental health rut of sorts. And so I was just like, let's go work and be out around people. I turn into a hermit when I'm like not, when I'm very anxious or not doing well.

And I was like, very hermity. So it was good to get out of the house. I just was like, wow, I'm like a decade older Plus then all of these people I'm working with like and I you know I take my sleep meds like 9 p.m. Now and I was there to like 1 a.m You know every night and it was just like this is not a schedule's thrown off. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm an old lady now I'm 37 tomorrow. Oh, happy birthday.

Thank you. Yeah. So what can we expect the rest of the way on Southern Charm? Because while we've really enjoyed watching you, it's been a bit of a slow moving season and kind of waiting for like, what are we, why are we tuning back in?

I mean, you were like, oh, they're sending nudes, you know, but like, and then it was just like. Well, the Craig and Austin thing definitely escalates more. And the Taylor and Sally thing definitely escalates a lot more. So there's drama. I think they're just,

they're prepping us for what's to come. What about you? Are you involved in any drama this season? Do you go toe to toe with anyone? A little bit. I don't, you know, I don't fight anybody. Yeah, you know, I dip my toes in a bit, but I'm friends with everyone.

And so I'm like, I try to be like the neutral person, but that doesn't work out. What was a more challenging experience to film or feel welcomed? Southern Charm or America's next top model? Top model was harder. Definitely. It was like 24 seven filming. They had like motion sensor cameras in the corner of our bedroom, like the showers were like see through except for one little frosted part. The bathrooms had a shower

curtain, there was no door. So like you couldn't escape anyone, they could just come in. They didn't go if you're peeing, actually peeing, they didn't do that. But like if you wanted to hide from the cameras, like they come find you. So it was a lot and they would purposely mess with us. They would do interviews like really late at night for me, really long interviews. And I would get like low blood sugar attack and need food and they would like dangle a sandwich in front of me. Just a few more questions, Molly, and then we'll feed you. So then I'm like- What?

That was a different era back then. Yeah, toxic. Oh yeah, it was so toxic and they literally, I mean, it was a bit of psychological torture, if you will. I mean, I would still do it again. It wasn't so horrible that I wouldn't do that experience all over again, but it was definitely a lot. Who was more rude about food, Whitney or Tyra Banks?

God, honestly, probably Tyra and all that. Whitney just made that one comment and he doesn't say stuff like that to me often. It was just like, oh, come on, read the room. Don't say that to me. What would Tyra say? Tyra was so toxic. Well, she didn't say anything about us eating. She wasn't like, don't eat, but she did come and film like a segment with us about like healthy food to eat and like egg whites and I don't know, whatever. But I mean, the people who they would be like, oh, well, you're plus size,

you're biggest girl here. They're smaller than I am now. It was just so toxic the way they would be like, oh, well, you're plus size, you're the biggest girl here. They're smaller than I am now. It was just so toxic the way they would just, I mean, Kasha on my cycle, they were like, oh yeah, you're plus size, you're really big. And she was not big at all. It was just such a toxic time. It's still toxic in the industry, but that was, it was next level.

I mean, that was the end of 2010 when we filmed. Wow. Oh, it's been a while was, it was next level. I mean, that was 2000, the end of 2010 when we filmed. Wow. It's been a while, but it was, it was very fun. I had a lot of amazing experiences and photo shoots that, I mean, I'll never be able to top those photo shoots, but. Do you keep in contact with any of the women who are on your season? Yeah, a lot of them, almost all of them to some extent,

at least like, you know, staying in touch on Instagram a bit. But I chat with Brittany, the girl who beat me, we actually lived together right after the show. So we've stayed very good friends. Monique, yeah, a lot of the girls and I speak to Nigel Barker often he invites me to events and stuff that he has in New York, we're probably gonna shoot do a photo shoot soon, which will be fun. Yeah, I always thought he was a cool, cool dude back in the day. He was super nice. Like the judges weren't as in on the toxicity of them. Yeah, like they were just kind of there getting paid and just they were dangling.

Did you have no that was in production and that was that was I don't know. Did I have what Janice Dickinson on yourinson? No, that was production and that was, I don't know. Did I have what? Janis Dickinson on your panel? No, thank God. Oh my God. She would have been, I just feel like she wouldn't have liked me or something and I would have cried. She's so mean.

Yeah, she was mean. She was so mean. I couldn't have dealt with that. No. I had Mr. and Mrs. J. Oh, yes. And Nigel. Yes. What's the wildest job that you've had as a model? Like what was like something

that you were asked to do, whether it was the shoot or climate, whatever it was, what's like the most wild job that you've had? Nothing has been like as crazy as the stuff that we did on top model. I mean, honestly, nothing seems weird after all of that. Right. I did sort of a nude, simulated nude shoot where I was nude, but it wasn't like everything's showing. It was like the side, but it was with a male model. Oh my God, yes, of course. And the photographer, like we didn't wanna like smush together, cause you know, junk's out.

And then the photographer was just like, put your big dick on her leg. And I was like, this is wild. Like he literally, I quote that to my friend. We joke about it. Yeah. Yes. It was quite large.

And so yeah, we just smushed together. You know, it wasn't sexual. It was just like very weird. But that was the weirdest thing I've really done. Everything else has been a pretty, oh, I guess I did one warehouse shoot where they like, it was in the middle of, it was January in Chicago. The warehouse was not heated and they poured cold water on me from above, like to simulate rain.

And that was miserable, but the photos were really, really cool. But um. It's a little torture. And that was miserable, but the photos were really, really cool. But, um, I've had toxic things happen on, um, shoots. I did a test shoot, uh, that my agency sent me on with this guy and he, um, put his hand in my shirt and I, and he left the room and I just got all my stuff and like left. I actually left a bunch of my shoes with some of my favorite shoes that I got in Morocco Oh my God. I froze and he left the room and I just got all my stuff and like left. Or I actually left a bunch of my shoes, some of my favorite shoes that I got in Morocco filming top model.

But yeah, I was so uncomfortable. I froze. I like to think that in those situations I would like punch someone in the face, but I didn't. And I just left and like went home. It was just like so uncomfortable. And I messaged my agency and they were like, oh yeah, we've heard some weird stuff about that guy before.

I'm like, why are you sending people? Yeah, maybe let's not go back to him. Yeah, maybe. So yeah, I mean, there's messed up stuff going on in the modeling industry all over the place for sure. It's still, but that was a while. I mean, that was like 2012, 2013. So you feel like it's gotten a lot better?

I'm sure stuff like that's still happening. I think the body positivity and the inclusiveness is definitely better. There's still that kind of air of like, I don't know, just not, I know that a lot of people are like, annoyed, like in the modeling industry are annoyed by the body positivity thing, because they don't think it's like real models or real fashion. And I'm like, yes, it is. It's all beauty. I don't know. I just feel like there's there's still the toxicity. It's light years ahead. Like a hotbed for creeps and kind of predators, like the photographer that you mentioned in terms of people who pretend they're there for art

or fashion or beauty, and they're really this there to crop a field or get a glimpse, things like that. Yeah, oh, I know that guy was doing way sketchier stuff, like, oh, it was so skeevy and gross. I just can guarantee you that he was doing that a lot and like younger people who maybe didn't, you know, leave or, you know, I don't know, maybe it escalated. I don't know what what's happened, but it was it was gross.

Yeah. Well, going back to Southern Charm, you talked about going on a few dates with Whitney. What in God's name attracted you to Whitney? Oh my God, Whitney is very charming. I know a lot of what you see is maybe not so charming, especially not the cupcake comment, but I mean, he can be really charming and he's super fun. He's super interesting, very weird. I like weird.

Okay. Um, I like older. He's a weird older guy who's very smart and odd. Why didn't it work out? Just fun. Um, I don't know if he like really wants to date date. And I got that vibe pretty quickly. It was just more for fun. Let's just hang out every once in a while for funsies.

But I didn't expect to actually date. At first I did. Then I was like, oh, I don't think he's trying to settle down. I'm a crazy jealous person. I don't think he's trying to settle down. And I'm a crazy jealous person. So I don't have any expectations of anything more than just fun with Whitney, which is fine. When you were on Watch What Happens Live, you answered a question and you said that

you thought that Craig was the biggest pot stirrer. Why did you say Craig? Well, I mean, we've seen him saying that JT called Patricia a bitch and then it's like, no footage found. Where's the footage? If that happened, I want to see it. Right. And I mean, I've never heard JT say anything disparaging about a woman like that. It might be like, you know, oh, you're lying or this or that, but like he doesn't call women out of their name words like that he's not that kind of guy so I was very surprised I at first believed it all and then when like everybody else was kind

of like I don't know Craig lies sometimes and then I kind of remembered he totally does and it just doesn't seem like on brand for JT so I kind of tried to have his back and especially during the cane thing. I was telling Patricia at the Easter dinner, I was like, I really think it was just a thoughtless thing of like, oh, we include Patricia because everybody else got a stupid cane and I'm going to give it to her. And I can understand that she didn't get that and she took it a different way. But I was just trying to say that's not, he didn't mean it in a different way. But, you know, I was just trying to say that's not, he didn't mean it in a

weird way. But then I was like, if he did say caller the B word, then that's just, it's like social suicide. Why would you do that in this group? Even if you do think that, don't say it. What was your reaction when you found out JT wasn't coming back next season? I was, I mean, I was a bit surprised, but also not. I feel like he's been going through a lot. And I feel like they kind of underplayed it, or it seemed not as serious. His accident in Costa Rica, it was pretty bad. And I think he got a pretty bad concussion.

And concussions can really mess with you for a while. And so I think he's already kind of a out-there guy, coupled with he had just gone through something pretty traumatic. And then if Craig is lying, Craig lied about him calling Patricia a bitch, and so he's getting all this flack for that. And so I think maybe he just,

I don't know if it's mental health, like it's stressing him out too much or what. But I'm assuming that, I don't know if it's mental health, like he doesn't, it's stressing him out too much or what. But I'm assuming that, I don't know. Have you checked on Madison lately with everything that's going on in her life and how is she doing? I've spoken to her a little bit lately. She, you know, I know that she's been stressed

about all the breath stuff and the health scares, understandably, but I think she's doing all right. Yeah, we mostly talk about fashion. I'm like, is this dress gonna be good for this event? Help, I'm always asking her. I'm terrible at dressing myself, it's the worst. Are there any potential showmances that could abud in this show?

I feel like there has been a lot, and maybe everyone who was gonna date has already dated, but is there a possibility for kind of any in-group hooking up or? I mean, yeah, I think there's a possibility for sure for some commingling of the cast. All right. Love. Could you possibly be part of that?

No. No. Oh, I can't, I'm not gonna tell y'all who, but there will be, there's some stuff going on. Yeah. All right. Gonna have to tune in. Okay, we will, we are. No.

Any more questions for Molly? We saw the video on your TikTok of you singing Kacey Musgraves. Insane, so good. Yeah, why didn't you, why did you pick reality TV as opposed to like being the next top pop star? Well, speaking of the anxiety that I have, I sang a lot as a kid.

I sang, I was in choir my entire life. I did musical theater in high school. I double majored in college in vocals and band with scholarships. So I really love to sing and play music, but singing in front of people, like performance, like really gets me. It like I'll choke up and my voice won't sound as good. And honestly, the anxiety of that kind of made me quit music for like a decade, over a decade. And I actually was, I was really not in a great place a few years ago and I moved home and I started doing ketamine infusions for depression and anxiety. And

in my first ketamine infusion, I played a bunch of 80s rock ballads and I was just like sitting there, you know, kind of tripping out listening to music and I would just like have this epiphany, not, you know, nothing, just like why, why would I have let something stand in the way of something that brings me so much joy and that I've done since I was five years old. And so I immediately sent off my miniature tuba to get cleaned. And I auditioned for Charleston Concert Band, and I made it and I started playing again. And then I started singing with my friend Keith. And so yeah, just putting out that video was so stressful for me.

Like I didn't even wanna watch it back. Like hearing my voice on camera, I don't know. I really need to deal with that because I love it. You're very good. And I know that I don't know. I really need to deal with that because I love it. You're very good. And I know that I don't suck. No, you have an incredible voice and you should be sharing that. We won't ask you to sing now because I feel like... Oh, God, I would pass out and die.

What is a ketamine infusion? One day. So I go into a doctor's office and they hook me up to an IV and full of ketamine. I can't really explain exactly how it helped me, but my friend who helped me be not afraid and try it, she told me that it's like you walk outside and things are colorful again. Like the light, it lets the light into the room. Like when you're in such a dark place. And that's a good description.

I just did it and it kind of was like, just jogged my brain into being like, you need to do things that you enjoy more. Life is worth living. I mean, I was truly in a dark place, suicidal ideation. I've had a lot of mental health struggles in my life. I have CPTSD that I was recently diagnosed with. And so it just, I did a lot of these infusions

and now I only do them every couple of months. And it just, it really helped me kind of have that like vigor for life again. If you don't mind me asking, what had you so down? Why were you so depressed? Don't really have a reason. I think, well, I do have reason. I think it was really just, I've been living with undiagnosed PTSD for the majority of my life. I've been in therapy since I was in middle school and none of the therapy ever worked

until someone realized and diagnosed me with this and told me the correct therapy to go through. Behavioral therapy, I do DBT, dialectic behavioral therapy. I've been doing that for almost three years now and it's been life-changing as well. And the ketamine kind of just got me out of that funk enough to where I could start doing self-care again, hanging out with friends again, playing music and doing things that I enjoy again, enough to where I could then be mentally well enough to deal with the really difficult task of dialectic behavioral therapy,

because it's a lot of exposure therapy, closing your eyes and going to the worst parts of your mind, thinking of the worst possible scenarios, and a lot of grief counseling and stuff that is hard to deal with. I dreaded therapy every week. I was like, I don't want to do this because I cry the whole time or I'm thinking about all these terrible things. But once you do that hard work, it's life changing. The past three years have just really, I'm doing a lot better. I'm gonna have the coping skills

to deal with stressful things when they happen. I'm so sorry you went through all that. I mean, I went through an EMDR therapy, which is, Yes, I hear a lot about that. It's incredible. I mean, it's a lot of trauma-based stuff as well. It really makes you be able to access your trauma and then watch it back as if it's a lot of trauma-based stuff as well. It really makes you be able to access your trauma and then watch it back as if it's a movie

and not relive it every time you think of it, which is very helpful in a lot of cases. And so I relate to going through something that changes your life. I've heard so many good things about that and a lot of people have suggested that to me. So I'm really glad you found that because it's so hard to go through life

without any emotional regulation adjusted that to me. So I'm really glad you found that because it's, it's so hard to go through life without like any emotional regulation and like just getting triggered by the littlest things. And I just didn't understand why I was so, had so much turmoil inside, why I was so angry. And it, yeah, I mean, it's just, it's helped so much. So I'm glad you found that. That's amazing.

Well, Molly, it's been great getting to know you and catching up with you. And we're excited to see your story unfold in the rest of the season of Southern Charm. And thanks for joining us and being so vulnerable about your story and also sharing a little bit of a tea from America's Next Top Model. It's really been a pleasure

and thank you for taking the time. Thank you. Thanks for having me. It was awesome talking to you. And happy birthday. Oh, thank you. Happy time. Thank you. Thanks for having me. It was awesome talking to you. And happy birthday. Oh, thank you. Happy birthday. Happy birthday.

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to let us know if TikTok really is going to be banned and how that all is gonna break down. But before we get to Emily, it's time for vibes versus stats. Brr, brr, brr, brr, brr, brr, brr, brr, brr, brr. Which I care less about now that the Packers are gone, but like it's not about me. Well, we've always not cared about it. So you're part of the vibes now?

Yeah, so are you part of vibes? We're just having a time just running our mouth about things we don't know anything about. It's actually really fun. We're just yapping to yap. Yeah. I'm just happy that the Philadelphia Eagles stepped up and did the right thing

when it came to their disgusting fan. They did. The Philadelphia Eagles fan Ryan Caldwell has been fired from his job. And banned from entering and watching any more Eagles games at the stadium. He was harassing. Philadelphia fans are notoriously harsh. Intense.

Committed. Sometimes. Committed. Sometimes. And sadly, inappropriate, I've mentioned it, but I believe they have an actual courthouse in the stadium with a judge ready to go. Stop. Yeah, when they arrest people to just try them

or I don't know, convict them, I don't know. Bird law. They get right to it. Is there a gavel? It's like, you are banned. I think, I don't know. I don't know if the judge is wearing a robe or whatever, but they do have a courthouse.

But anyways, during the game, a Packer fan, they play the judge is wearing a robe or whatever, but they do have a courthouse. But anyways, during the game, a Packer fan, they played the Packers, and a young couple went to the game and he's filming this guy harassing his girlfriend, or wife, or partner, fiance, calling her a dumb fucking C word. And the guy was just like, hey, don't call her that, you can't call her that.

I really don't like the people online who are just like, is that all you did? It's like, what, don't call her that, you can't call her that. I really don't like the people online who are like, is that all you did? As if like, what are you supposed to do when you're surrounded by a bunch of other Eagles fans? Are you supposed to what, like pick a fight? You're trying to deescalate and also protect your fiance. Exactly, so anyways, the good thing is he did get it on film and this guy just kept repeating it,

you're a dumb fucking C word, and he posted online. And the Eagles did the right thing. His place of business. And it sounded like this guy had like BCT partners, a job job. He's a project manager at a consulting company for DEI. That's the greatest part. For DEI focus management consulting firm. Okay. Well, good thing they got him out of there.

And he was only harassing this woman because she was for the other team. Yeah. Packers fan. Yeah. But women are too emotional and irrational. Yeah. Interesting. Well.

We're dramatic. You know. For sure. Totally. Not great for the Eagles fans. And this week we're talking about the LA Rams versus the Philadelphia Eagles. Well, I will immediately be going Rams.

Yeah. Because it's a past story. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. But one. Well, the Eagles beat the Packers, so fuck the Eagles. LA Strong.. Yes. Yes, but one Yeah, that was wrong But one really nice little thing about the Eagles that's happening isn't actually about the Eagles But the people of Philly did get a crossover between Quinta Brunson's hilarious and incredible Abbott Elementary and it's always sunny in Philadelphia

The Eagles are mentioned many times in it Charlie Lurds to read for the first time and it was great So shout out to Philly, but Abbele Mundry is filmed in Burbank. So really this is so fake. It's a good show. Great show. Hilarious episode. Incredible episode. But for the Rams, I did hear Bradley Cooper opened up a cheese steak restaurant and I hear it's good. Nice. So if I ever go back to Philly, I've been to Philly once. Philly seems great. I've been to Philadelphia for a second.

Yeah. I didn't enjoy it. This was like my first job out of college and our training session was there and it was the middle of summer. And my biggest takeaway, it was like 90 degrees and inside every building was 50 degrees. They blasted their AC and outside smelled like garbage

and inside was freezing. And that's all I remember about Philly. I've been to Pittsburgh many times so I can't really like support Philly necessarily, but I do like the TV shows that are set there. Anyway, to get into the Los Angeles Rams, obviously the Rams were not able to play their playoff game last week against the Vikings in LA because of the fires. The game was relocated to Glendale, Arizona. Only the second playoff game in NFL history to not be played at a team's home stadium, last time this happened was in 1936.

Because like a Boston game had to be relocated to New York because of low ticket sales during the depression. So that was the only other time this has ever happened to a playoff game. There was football in the 30s? Yeah. Yeah, what? The vibes have been vibing for many, many decades. It's a valid question in my head.

Yeah. Right, I'm in the 30s, good. Yeah, but anyway, Arizona Cardinals owner, Michael Bidwell sent two team planes to Los Angeles to help the Rams get their 335 person entourage, players, the players' families, and two dogs to Arizona. Rams tight end Tyler Higby referred to it as Noah's Ark going over to Arizona.

So they flew out like everyone in their families to keep them safe. Then I believe they gave the rooms that they reserved for, you know, the incoming players in LA to families who were displaced by the fire and allowed them to use those homes at SoFi Stadium. If I- I think that's- Something to that effect? I think something like that happened because they just they didn't want to take those homes at SoFi Stadium if I... I think that's... Something to that effect? I think something like that happened because they just, they didn't want to take up space at SoFi in case it was needed

for like evacuations to help people. But Rams quarterback, Matthew Stafford and his wife, Kelly organized free charter buses for season ticket holders and fans who were able to transfer their tickets, taking them directly from SoFi to Arizona. On the sidelines, Rams players and staff wore LAFD hats and shirts,

and the arena was painted to resemble the Rams blue and gold in order to make it feel like as much of a home game as possible. Rams running back Kyron Williams said before the game, there's a feeling amongst the team, this is for LA, this is for Hope back home that they can cling onto, that the Rams are going to be the people who can take away from whatever they're going through for a few hours. The Rams did in fact beat the Vikings 27 to 9. And we love it when the Vikings lose. So that is nice. Well, go Rams.

Hopefully you guys beat the Eagles. Yeah. All right. That does it for vibes versus stats. Emily Baker is up next and then we'll be breaking down Bev Hill's housewife in Southern Hospitality. Hello. Emily, how are you?

Good, thanks. How are y'all? We're doing great. So, Elephant in the Room, is TikTok gonna be here Monday morning or next week? Or what's going on? I think the elephant in the room is what will TikTok look like even if it is here Monday?

So the Supreme Court had a very large document that they released on Monday at the beginning of their term. They said nothing about TikTok. I think people were maybe overly optimistic that the Supreme Court would do something on Monday that when you want the Supreme Court to do something, they're kind of like a toddler and they're like, yeah, no, we're not going to do that on your timeline. I was surprised that they took this up. People keep calling it a TikTok ban. That's not to be a legal nerd about it. That's not technically accurate. But Congress passed a law. That law got challenged by TikTok and TikTok creators. It went through the court system. The courts held the law constitutional, it seems that the Supreme Court is also going to hold that law constitutional.

That law has a deadline as of January 19th. And that means that not only does TikTok have to separate from bite dance, but the TikTok US can't use the bite dance algorithm. The repercussion for that is if companies continue to support tick tock with bite dance attached to it by dance being the company in china or partly owned in china that operates tick tock if that doesn't happen the 19th, which is not going to happen by the 19th, it can't be offered in the app store and other companies, and everyone keeps forgetting to talk about this, but other companies supporting the app can be penalized and fined for supporting it, including Cisco who hosts all the TikTok servers

in Virginia. So if you don't have a server, you don't have an app, regardless of the app store. If TikTok divests from ByteDance, they will be allowed to be back in operation in the US. The lawyer for TikTok said that TikTok will not divest from ByteDance and the algorithm. It's not just who owns the app, it's the algorithm of the app. So if TikTok is going to operate going forward in the US, they will have to use a different algorithm. They cannot use the algorithm they use now, which everyone who use TikTok says, but it's the best algorithm. It shows me what I want to see. The algorithm knows me. And the US government is saying,

right, that's the problem. It's not just that it won't be in the app store. It might not have servers. It will inevitably have security issues. And TikTok has said, we want to use the algorithm that we want to use. And the US government has said, you can't do that. And what is the law that they passed that says why they can't use that? Like, what specifically is the law that they passed that says why they can't use that? What specifically is that law? Without reading off the name,

the summary of the name is the Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary-Owned Applications and Something Something Something app. It's like PFAFA something, but essentially Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary-Owned Applications is the core of the app. The first app that's being targeted under this is TikTok. Could we see other apps targeted? At the Supreme Court, they were asking

about Xi'an and Timu. That came up quite a lot. But both of those apps from my look, it seems that those apps are not owned and held in China or have any part of Chinese ownership, though they are apps that come out of the economy in China. It seems that some of those are held offshore in the Cayman Islands and elsewhere. So those apps are a little bit more nuanced of a discussion. But could this impact other apps down the road? Yes, but it is the foreign adversary owned that is the key of the issue there. So for the people like Kevin O'Leary, or I think Elon Musk has been speculated, let's say some billionaire, other group of people get together and buy TikTok or an organization like Microsoft comes in and buys TikTok.

You're saying that even if that happens, the algorithm that is now currently running TikTok, no matter what, TikTok, as you see it, will forever be different come a week or two from now. Yes, come this weekend, TikTok will forever be different because the algorithm is the issue. And the justices were asking, look, can't you use a different algorithm? And the TikTok lawyer said, we don't want to.

And I don't mean TikTok lawyer is a pejorative because people use that. They look at me and they're like, oh, that YouTube lawyer. I'm like, well, no, if Google was paying me, it would be a whole different thing. But I don't mean it pejoratively. The lawyer for TikTok at the Supreme Court said, we have the right to operate our business the way we want to. And the justices jumped on that and said, look, we have a long history of antitrust law where we make companies sell off parts of companies. We tell companies they can't operate in a certain way. We divest monopolies. We approve sales. We disapprove sales. We tell businesses how to run often

and they do in the world of antitrust. We haven't seen it in an app like this. And most people I would imagine who use TikTok casually, especially the younger audiences have no perception of antitrust law in the US because why would you? They're not interested in whether railroads ran monopolies and how the government forced breakups of telecoms.

Like it's not on the radar and they're not teaching it in school. But yes, the government can control how you do business. And cynically, when people say, well, Metta has a bunch of our data, YouTube has a bunch of our data. Right. Well, the government can leverage some amount of control over Google, over meta. We've seen Zuckerberg dragged in before Congress and questioned. They can't drag bike dance into Congress and question them. So does the government care about data privacy? Do they care about ownership? Do they care about control? I think that's open for conversation. But there are some big concerns with security with TikTok.

And I'm not just a TikTok hater, but when large TikTok creators use it on a phone that is completely clean, that has no other apps on it, that doesn't connect to their home Wi-Fi, there's a reason. When most industry won't allow TikTok on work phones, there's a reason. There's a bunch of lawsuits about what TikTok logs. If you tell TikTok not to grab your contacts, there's a lot of evidence that it still does. If you tell TikTok that you don't want to sell your data, it still discloses it. So there's a lot there. there. And lawsuits have alleged for quite a while that TikTok keystroke logs your phone, meaning that if you're texting your mom, that there are allegations that the TikTok app

can gather that data, even if the app's not open, if it's on your phone. So there are some data privacy concerns here. The what about is really the argument I've seen on the internet. What about Facebook? What about Google?inating. Given what you're saying, I mean, why wouldn't BitBiteDance or TikTok just raise the flag, give up, and sell to someone because it sounds like they can't do business as is where they're doing. So why not at least try to make some money by selling it to someone?

And I think that's a really good question. I think that's a really good question. I think that's a really good question. of the flag give up and sell to someone because it sounds like they can't do business as is where they're doing. So why not at least try to make some money by selling it? The lawyers at the Supreme Court said in their briefing that China has disallowed by dance from selling. So they've been told no. And the government lawyer interestingly said, we are now at a game of chicken, literally said that in front of the Supreme Court, we're at a game of chicken. They have had more than 270 days notice that this was going into effect. This has come up pre 2020 because this wandered through the Ninth Circuit courts in California. This

has been discussed before this law was passed at Congress for over three years, where they were trying to deal with the data security issues and the keystroke logging and data getting sent back to servers in China to make the algorithm work and to have your information. So for over three years, Congress was going back and forth on this in hearings, trying to come up with a remedy. And there was no cooperation there based on the briefings. And so, this law was kind of the last resort. And the government has said, we've tried to do this for over four years. We've given them 270 days.

They've not done it. We need to let the deadline fall because maybe they'll blink after the deadline comes. Maybe they won't. We've been working on this for years. This is not sudden. This is not out of the blue. And that's true.

The government's been going after TikTok since before 2020. I think this started in 2018 is when we first started getting rumblings of this in Congress. So they said time is time. And I was waiting for her to say fuck around and find out but that was never gonna happen Have you heard of red note a lot of people are speculating or Apparently a lot of Americans are already downloading it to replace tick-tock in anticipation for tick-tock being banned I checked it out. It looks like red Note's also owned by the Chinese government.

Or again, is that different? Same again, is it an algorithm thing? What does that look like? And do you anticipate, you know, the people Americans like finding a replacement like that? And what happens when it's also a Chinese company owned business? I think the government will start playing whack-a-mole

with it and start going app after app. Cause this app, this law allows for them to go after different apps. And I think that they will probably do that. What I'm incredibly frustrated about in all of this is I feel that Congress has not been transparent with all of what their concerns are. And I wish that they would take the approach of, let's tell people exactly what's going on here and what the concerns are for data security, safety, and privacy versus keeping it mostly secret. A lot of stuff submitted to the court was redacted and private and is above all of our security clearances.

But I wish that they would spend a little time sharing all of the concerns on a more broad scale versus just saying, oh, well, we're going to shut this down and people are downloading another app that is truly from a data security standpoint more concerning. I was surprised. I pay pretty close attention to data security issues, data privacy issues, because they come up in lawsuits and I'm a nerd and I'm fascinated by it. But I was pretty surprised by some of the things that the government brought up in their brief

that wasn't redacted of things that had happened with TikTok, including U.S. journalists being tracked by the Chinese government with data location through the TikTok app, because ByteDance gave that information over, because the government was trying to figure out, not our government, but the Chinese government was trying to figure out who was talking to these journalists and to shut down those conversations. I pay pretty close attention and I was still like, wait, what?

So I'm not surprised people aren't allowed to have it on their work phones. I have been one of those parents that does not allow TikTok on my kids' phones. I don't use TikTok regularly. I also have it on a clean phone. I do not allow it to attach to my IP address and my WiFi at home. It's on a completely separate phone number, completely separate account.

I also have a- Emily, I feel like I've been changing in front of my neighbors with the doors open for the past three years right now. Same. I had no idea. If I delete it right now, do they still have access to my information? Like if it's off my phone, the apps delete it.

It should not. Going forward, it should not. When I took TikTok off my main phone, I did get a new phone, but I'm also crazy in that way. But it should not still have access to your phone. I think most data privacy experts would say a hard reset is probably what's needed. But a lot of us aren't the target, according to the government. The government's concern is not for all of us. The government's concern are about truly your kids and my kids. If my 12-year-old had the TikTok app, which he doesn't, and was texting me from my home address, if he ever

became a member of government or military, China would know who his friends are, who his parents are, where his parents live. All the information that when people go into higher levels of government and military can get scrubbed wouldn't be scrubbed because they collected that data when he was a kid so they know where his childhood home is, what schools he went to, what videos he liked, what DMs he sent, what text messages he sent to me,

who I am, where I live, what I do. So the bigger concern the government has stated is tracking information on those that will become members of our armed forces and our government and how much information they will have on them before they were aware that that was information to keep private. Um, and especially with the keystroke logging, could tick tock see your DMS on Instagram? They allege yes. Could tick tock see your text messages?

They allege yes. And are they keeping large maps of who we're all connected to? Yes. That's what the government says. Whether people believe the government or not. I wish the government would be more transparent about it, but I also think that the government's trying to limit what they know that we know that they know that we know.

So that makes it hard. Assuming, well, cause it sounds like this is moving forward, who benefits and what, and just in your opinion, who, you know, where do you think users will start turning to? I worry for all the creators and so many creators that grew during the pandemic on TikTok and have found it harder to grow on other platforms. I understand it. Having a massive following on TikTok doesn't mean you'll have a massive following on YouTube. I'm not surprised that

both YouTube, much to my regular complaint, and Instagram have leaned into their shorter form vertical video content, because I think both companies are hoping that the TikTokers will migrate there and that everyone that's large on TikTok will be like, hey, go follow my YouTube. But I think we'll see disbursement between threaded apps like Threads, Blue Sky, Twitter, and Twitter is paying people for video, whether they want to be there or not. But I also think we'll see people going to platforms like YouTube, which algorithm is very different, to Instagram. And I'm sure something else will spring up or TikTok will eventually sell and create

a new algorithm for the US market and it will be a completely different app, but people will use that. So I also have concerns for everyone that's built their business and their following on TikTok and is now somewhat panicked about where to go. These rumblings have been there. I think people thought the government really wouldn't do it and I'm not surprised that Americans are like, wait, our government does stuff? Like that doesn't shock me that that's the overarching

feeling that our government gets nothing done until it's getting rid of TikTok. I understand why people feel that way. That's crazy. Thank you for all that information. Moving on, I know there's been some kind of breakthroughs and updates with the Diddy case. Can you update on anything that you've learned recently

that that's changed? Oh, you're gonna love this. Have you seen the Diddy filed motions yesterday to undo some of the protective orders over videos of his victims? Yep, yes. Something, can you educate our audience? I've seen something to the effect, but I, yeah.

So currently there's a protective order in the Sean Combs criminal case with the effect, but I'm, yeah. So currently there's a protective order in the Sean Combs criminal case with the US and we are just talking about the criminal case, not everything going on in all the civil cases. There's a protective order regarding the evidence in this case, including videos that the government says are videos of the quote unquote freak offs that have been described by the government in detail as being part of the trafficking scheme that he is being charged with. In cases where there are sensitive video, whether that video involves minors or not, it's not unusual that prosecutors will not have that video on their work computers, nor

will they turn it over to the defense. That's normally held by law enforcement. And if you want to review the video, you have to go to the wherever the station is, sit down with law enforcement and review the video on those computers with law enforcement there. Those videos are not just handed out like other discovery. They're not put in discovery portals. Diddy's lawyers are arguing that these videos show,

these are Diddy's lawyers' arguments that these videos show consensual encounters, that they show that victim one is in charge and enjoying herself, they put that in their motion, and that because these videos are consensual encounters and are rating material, that the government should be required to turn those over to the defense because the defense wants to digitally enhance the audio, digitally enhance the video, examine the metadata, have experts review the videos, have witnesses review the videos.

And Diddy's lawyers said that the government's failing to turn over these videos shows that the government is sexist, their words, paternalistic and puritan. So did Diddy's lawyers argue that the government was kink shaming him? Yes, they did. Did they argue that the government is being sexist because the government does not realize that these videos are of a empowered woman

who has agency? Yes, they did. So they argued that Diddy's a feminist at the end of the day. And that women have agency. That's crazy. Very similar to the also, I don't know if you've also kept up with the Justin Baldoni and Blake Lilley case yesterday.

I think something similar were Justin's lawyers. I think they went to Disney and demanded that they preserve footage from the Deadpool movie. Kind of very similar. It seems like they're just trying to turn around the original arguments and kind of flip it on their head. I mean, is this just lawyers being lawyers? But like, I guess, you know, how do you see it? And I guess, am I even properly articulating,

you know, what's going on on that case? You are articulating it very well. The lawyers are lawyering, which is their job. And it is hard for me in the Diddy case sometimes to separate my own feelings about the case with the lawyers are lawyering because sometimes the arguments are so wild, you're just like, Oh, I got to take a deep breath on that one. But with the preservation notice, this is incredibly common. It happens in a lot of cases. Hey, we think there might be something there. You're on notice to preserve all this stuff. I call it colloquially when

I stream about this, the don't delete your shit notice. It's, hey, we might be subpoenaing you, or we might sue you, delete any of this shit relating to all of this. Hold on to it. Preservation notices are a regular and common practice. The fact that it seems to have been given to Variety is interesting because Variety reviewed it. Somebody gave it to Variety. I cynically don't think it was Disney that did it. But it's always funny to me when you see lawyers saying, how dare you give this complaint that would not be public to the New York Times? I'm going to go ahead and give this demand letter to Variety. It's same, same. So are the lawyers lawyering? Yes. Does this mean Disney is going to get sued? Not necessarily.

Do lawyers often go after the deepest pockets they can find? Yes, that's where the money is. These right now are all civil. So the remedy in civil is money. We're not talking about like the Diddy case, a criminal case. So could Disney get looped into all of this? We'll see, but that becomes very expensive. If you are on the Baldi wayfarer side strategizing this fighting the PR team is one thing fighting blake lively if they see her directly is another fighting the new york times is another you start bringing disney into it you're not fighting a war on my five fronts and that can exhaust your resources incredibly quickly. All of this is multimillion dollars of litigation. So strategically, does leaking the demand letter put pressure maybe on Disney? Who knows? Are they trying to round about pressure Sony? Who knows? But demand letters are common. Doesn't mean Disney will get sued. We'll see. Would suing Disney at this point benefit them?

I don't think so. But they think that what, Nice Bull was making fun of Justin Baldoni because he identifies as a feminist. Well, I guess Diddy does too now, so it's the thing. It was making fun of Diddy, it wasn't Justin, it was Diddy. Yeah, well, I mean, the way I kind of almost- Maybe Justin will just blame Diddy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It seems, yeah, to me, it seems like Justin's lawyer is really just trying to fight this case in the court of public opinion, and they're just trying to basically antagonize his followers to, you know, give them more arguments to, you know, harass the people who don't support Justin online. But that's just kind of how I see it. But I can be wrong. They would, I think, it's a double as advocate with you for a minute, I think they would say that Blake Lively did that first by giving the complaint to the New York Times.

So I think the lawyers on Baldoni's side would say, we're responding to what you did and we have to respond. And so we're going to respond in court and out of court. But lawyers that often deal with the media are going to do things on both fronts on all sides. Like everyone's team is going to do that. Well, Emily, this is a ton of information you gave us. We really appreciate you just setting the record straight. It's so fun to pick your brain.

It's always great to talk to you guys. And I think there's a lot. There's a lot underneath all of these things that the headlines don't always capture well. And I think there's also a lot of, um, especially with regard to TikTok, I've seen a lot of stress in the unknown of what's going to happen. So I always remind everybody, look, follow your favorites on multiple platforms, no matter what, it helps everybody to grow. And there is a lot of stress around TikTok, but I don't think there's going to be a reprieve on this one. I think it is a, when that deadline hits, there's not much that can happen. And people have asked if it's going to get undone the next day with an incoming administration. And it's not easy for a president to change an act of Congress because this was a bill,

bipartisan bill passed by members of Congress. So if it's going to get undone, it's generally going to have to be Congress that undoes it. But if it sucks, they can be back in operation. It really seems like something that people just really think is not going to happen. It almost seems like surreal, but it sounds like it really seems like something that people just really think is not going to happen. It almost seems like surreal, but it's, it's, uh, it sounds like it really is happening and it'll be interesting to see how things play out. It looks like it is going to happen. So I think prepare for it to not happen or prepare for it to happen. And then if it doesn't, we'll all be surprised, but we've learned a lot more about tick tock than we knew before all of this.

And I think that might also inform how people choose to use the app or not. Some people just don't. Maybe for good reason. I don't know. There's a, you said a lot of things that I think should give a lot of people pause. So it's very interesting. I wish we had more transparency in all of it,

really at the end of the day with all of our apps. And maybe if that's what comes out of this, it will be for the better. I think we all should understand a bit better what our apps are doing and we should be told that. And as new parents and as you mentioned, like, I don't know, when it comes to protecting our kids, it's, I'm always, I always can get behind that even if it upsets other people.

And yeah, it's sometimes scary what kids have access to or who has access to your kids when it comes to these types of technology. Yep. And we, that's a whole conversation for another day too, because some of the worst places for that are Roblox, which are things that parents of kids and like the eight and nine year old range know. But Roblox has a really open chat feature that allows people to access your kids. It's wild.

Yeah. Scary stuff. Emily, thank you so much for your time. We appreciate you and we'll talk soon. Talk soon. All right. Thanks so much. Thanks everybody. Bye. Also, we'll talk soon. Talk soon. All right. Thanks so much. Thanks everybody.

Bye. Also, I'm loving Traders so much. I love your podcast on Traders. I'm obsessed with Traders. I love nothing more than Traders. If you want to come out and just like not talk the law and talk some Traders, let us know. Well, let me know. I look, I'm a huge fan of Dolores, but I know her and I love her. I love Trader so much. Who's your front runner?

Give me your early front runner. God, I love Boston Raw, but I think he's got a target on his back. I love Dolores like as a human, so I'm always rooting for her. And I think she's incredibly smart. The gentleman from the reality show that I do not know who's already kind of clocked,

Bob the Drag Queen. Dylan. That was that guy from his brother Dylan. Yeah. Yes. He's my front runner. You can watch him learning to play the game in real time. And I'm really excited to see how that plays out

because I love watching him learn the game where the people who do the game type shows already know. So I'm really excited to see more from him. But I will say the Law Nerds have been fantasy footballing their dream Traders cast and you have come up from every single one for dream Traders cast. Every single Law Nerd is like, Nick, dream Traders cast, get Nick on the face.

But I think I'd have a target on my back right away. I don't know, we'll see. Also, who's gonna do the show? Hello. I mean, Natalie could do the show. I just, sorry. Of course Natalie could do the show, but. They only film for like a week, isn't it?

I know, it's like three or four weeks, but if I could. Yeah, like a month. In Scotland. Cue the comments being like, absolutely not. You can't have Natalie. A month in Scotland doesn't sound right. I don't know. They don't have real bacon.

Me and River won't survive. That's a very fair point. You ask for bacon, they give you ham. Lunch for breakfast. What the fuck is this? I'll be hungry. All right, Emily, we'll talk soon. We'll talk to you soon, bye.

Interesting stuff. I didn't know any of that. Did that change your opinion, Mary? Oh, I thought TikTok should have been banned in general, but just because I think it's rotting people's brains. But now to know the actual legalese behind it, I thought the government was kind of being Petty. Petty and annoying.

Or like Mark Zuckerberg was being petty. Yeah, and my whole thing was kind of like the, what about like, what about Meadow? What about Elon Musk? What about all of the United States backed corporations that are selling our information. I definitely would rather have the US have my information than China.

I would rather nobody have our information. That's true, but I think you made that a good point. But that's always been my take on it, but to hear like the actual detailed complaint is terrifying and it just makes me think about literally having my computer open right now. But the key takeaway is if you're following us on TikTok, me or the show, just go ahead and follow us on Instagram

and YouTube. If I could delete this up, I would be very happy. Let Zuck sell your soul. There you go, all right. Remember when we were all scared to do the fingerprint ID on the iPhones when they had that because everyone was like, you're giving the government your DNA or whatever, your fingerprint. And now it's like face ID, your eye, you know.

They got my eyeballs. They got it all. Everyone's got it. Whatever. There's some, whatever. There's some avid. All right, speaking of whatever, Beverly Hills Housewives, I don't, what? There's some, whatever. There's some avid. All right, speaking of whatever, Beverly Hills Housewives, I don't, what?

There's some breaking news. Breaking news? On Salt Lake City Housewives, Jen Shaw's prison sentence reduced again. Now she will be released for Thanksgiving next year. Her new release date is set for November 3rd, 2026, and she's already initiated her payment. Oh, it's set.

Yep. It's set, now we know. I mean, it she's already initiated her payment. Oh, it's set? Yep. It's set, now we know. I mean, it could be reduced again. She must have been had some great behavior. I mean, I heard she was hosting Barbie parties and friends with all the girls. Jen Shaw is very charming. She completed her anger management requirements.

She's already initiated her payments towards her 6.5 million in restitution. And I think she's doing positive things in prison. So yeah. I think it'll be reduced again. Probably. Okay. Well, keep watching that Beverly Hills. What the fuck was Kyle?

What is going on? Is this real? My first question, is this real? That was crazy of her to be like, it's just memes, it's just jokes and be like, okay, fine guys, I'll read you the message. And then being like, I won't ever share anything you tell me, it will always stay between.

It was different, I've never shared. I've never shared. Either way. It's worse. And we can just keep it memes and jokes. It's like, sorry, you left out a huge part of that conversation. First, we gotta start back from last week when Kyle and Dorit got into it and Kyle is losing her mind.

Veins popping out. Vein popping out of her head, yelling at her friend. If that doesn't scream guilty, I don't know what does. I don't know who looked more guilty, Kyle on Beverly Hills or what's her name on Southern? Emmy. Emmy. Oh, that hyperventilating. Anytime you have a forehead vein, you're in the wrong.

You're lying. You're going too hard. You're lying about whatever it is you're trying to say you didn't do. But then like the double downness, the manipulation, going over to Bo's house right after surgery, by the way. She's like, yeah, you know what? I know you just had surgery, but let me come over and try to change your mind because that's more pressing than your healing journey.

I love Bo so much. She's so smart and she's so like, she doesn't buy any of this bullshit. Dirty of Kyle to bring up the meme photo of Dorit that you don't care about with Kyle. That was so dirty and then act like you care all of a sudden just because she was part of a group hug with your ex-husband and then in the same episode, Kyle admits that if it was someone were talking to my husband, she'd be just as pissed.

Right there, end of conversation. You just acknowledged and empathized with Dorit and said that you would feel exactly how she feels and yet you still want to convince everyone else that they're wrong and you're right? And like to say, I don't think I could ever be friends with Dorit. What the fuck is going on? It seems so out of pocket and so out of touch. Like I'm prepared to believe that it's all an act.

Kyle is just taking one for the Beverly Hills Housewife team. I don't know. I just, I don't know Kyle. I've never met her. I don't doubt that she's set in her ways. I don't doubt that she has a hard time taking accountability and apologizing at this stage in her life. But this is crazy talk.

This is giving like, pick me, this is giving like absolutely not a girl's girl. This is crazy behavior. I'm going to show up to your bedside to prove to you that you should have my side because heaven forbid you pick up the information that the other women have said in public. When she pulled up to her house after that, I just sat in bed and I go, are you fucking kidding? Like we couldn't wait a couple of days to have this conversation. Yeah, being like five hours later, Kyle, I'm like, Kyle? Kyle? Showing up? Out of everybody? Okay.

I guess. Bose and the editors clocking her immediately though, it was really, really funny. Why everyone has an issue with taking their shoes off is like beyond me. Like these are all some nasty ass bitches. They wanna walk through this woman's house with their dirty shoes on.

I mean, I'll walk with my shoes, I'll keep my shoes on, but if someone asks me, I'm like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. So sorry. No, when I enter someone's house, I'm like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. That is gross. When I enter someone's house, I'm like, do you want me to take my shoes off? It's a question.

It's a question before I walk through the threshold. And they're also like, it goes with the outfit. You're coming to sit on my couch, my girl. You don't need your shoes for this. Camera's not even on the shoes. Absolutely. We're doing waist up shots. At first I was mad that like,

why are we uninviting the drama to Chuck E. Cheese? Were you seen, Justin? I felt so seen. I was like Garcelle signed in a Chuck E. Cheese. For those of you who don't know, Justin weirdly thinks Chuck E. Cheese is good pizza. The best pizza. It's so good.

How would you rate fast food pizza? I don't think it's fast food pizza. Like in general or like, like gourmet pizza? Like what's the best fast food pizza? It's not gourmet pizza. As opposed to what? Well I've said it before, pizza. Pizza's not gourmet pizza. Like as opposed to what? Like pizza's the best food. Well I've said it before, pizza.

The Hut, Domino's, Papa John's. Pizza in general is a nasty food, so if I'm gonna get it, I'm gonna get the nastiest. Did you say pizza? Yeah. Pizza Hut is great. I like Pizza Hut. Nasty in the sense of like greasy.

I think if I had to pick, I'd pick Domino's. And obviously I would never eat such disgusting food at this stage in my life. Oh no, no way. I do think Papa John's is the most disgusting food. One out of all of them? Oh my God. Papa John's sucks. I haven't had Chuck E. Cheese stage in my life. I do think Papa John's is the most disgusting food. One out of all of them? Oh my God.

Papa John sucks. I haven't had Chuck E. Cheese pizza in some time, but I'm willing to bet it's better than Papa John's. Justice for Little Caesars. I currently have a cart loading if you want to hop on. He wants to order a pizza from Chuck E. Cheese. Can you order it, Justin? You have Chuck E. Cheese coming right now?

Well, I haven't placed the order, but it's a BOGO deal this week. Check the chat. Check the chat. Waste the order. Yes. We said BOGO deal this week. Check the chat. Check the chat. Place the order. Yes. We said yes. Can you get it, please? Only if somebody accuses me of being a lesbian while we're eating it. Garsel really did compete for it.

Like you were saying, like, Garsel, step up your game. And I was like, yeah, she did. I don't care who Kyle's fucking anymore. I don't either. Nobody does. I don't care. Just give it up at this point. Who gives a fuck?

Doesn't want to talk about it or she does. I didn't give a fuck. But also Sutton sitting at after tennis and being like- The infidelity. The infidelity. Well, you had infidelity. No. And she's like- What infidelity? I genuinely- Huh? Like the silence at that table that was like so awkward and Sutton being like, things just slip out of my mouth. I don't know how that happened. Garcelle said this is definitely the unspoken thing that nobody brings up.

No, she did bring it up last season. Who had infidelity? Maricio. Oh. She's brought it up multiple. But even like Lisa Vanderpump has brought it up in past things. Like Maricio has been accused of infidelity throughout the season. But it is one of those things where I'm like,

we literally watched something where I don't think Kyle thought that this was going to stay in the episode because it's like, you're watching her strong arm or like strong, whatever the fucking thing is, where she's not acknowledging it. She's like, what are you talking about? Like move on and then carry it on with the next topic where I think she thought that that would have been cut.

But I feel like that's how those conversations go because Kyle is the queen of Beverly Hills. You do not cross me if I don't wanna acknowledge it. Not anymore. I don't, how do, am I, I was triggered by Kyle's behavior. Me too. Is the rest of Bravo Nation feeling the way we're feeling or does Kyle's, are Kyle stands

still standing? Standing, of course. I'll always love Kyle. She's an OG. I don't know, I was just shocked by her behavior. I'm like a disappointed parent. And I'm not surprised at all because it was like, huh, here we go. Yeah, no, it was definitely like, I think it's Kyle just playing in and being a housewife. And I think she was trying to accuse Dorit of doing that by being like, you know this relationship

and now you're just all of a sudden trying to like be mad at me to like have this storyline and to make these other women like turn against me. When in reality, I think it's like, well, no, now me and PK are separating. Now I'm not comfortable with you texting my ex. But like. Especially while we're not on good terms.

Carry on. The simple fact that Kyle is even trying to argue this, even if it was only memes, the only appropriate response to someone, especially if you can, like the whole, like are you, the whole girl's girl, guy's guy argument, like it's real simple. Does this make you uncomfortable?

Yes, okay, I'll stop. That's it, that's the end of conversation. It's her husband, separate or not, she gets to decide what her comfort level is with her friends engaging with her partner, and she doesn't have to be rational. She doesn't even have to make sense. She just gets to say, this makes me feel uncomfortable,

and everyone just should shut the fuck up. The fact that Kyle is like fighting this fight is just bonkers and the way she's fighting it is, I don't mean to overdo it, but it was like, she'll do anything. There's no limit. Kyle met PK through Dorit, so it's like, why are you acting like this is your close friend

when Dorit was your friend? And telling him that you will never share, you have never, you will never share what is spoken between the two of you. That means PK's talking some shit. People can call Dorit whatever they want or like that she's not very smart, but even clocking the fact that she was like,

why wouldn't you just read the text message? Like if it wasn't a deal, you're making it out like it's memes, it's memes, you don't need to see anything. She's like, well, why wouldn't you just show me if it wasn't something to hide? I would do the exact same thing. If my girlfriend was like, you talking to my husband makes me feel uncomfortable,

but read the text messages. Please scroll through. If anything comes out of, like, seems out of pocket, let me know, I will never say something like that again. Like, that's a good friend. Why do people criticize dumb people as if it's like a decision? You know, that's funny.

That is a tagline right there. That's the quote for the episode in the copy. But I'm not, again, I don't want to stand up for Tom Sandoval here, but if he is in fact not as smart as other people, I'm sure he wish he was. True. Like sometimes, if you're just, you know what they say about stupid people,

it's just like, what do they say? What do they say? They're dumb, you're dumb. Why are you looking at Justin? Well, it's like, it's the same as being dead. You don't know that you're stupid, just like you don't know that you're dead. It's just painful for everyone else. But it's also not your fault.

It's also just like the elevator doesn't go all the way to the top. Yeah, I mean, like, can we show a little grace? And I am not saying, I don't know Doree, but like, I feel like your cell's always coming at her, or just even Sutton, and a lot, it always felt like Doree should know better, or she's not, I don't know.

It just felt a little, I kind of feel like the bullier. Well, and that's what I love about Boze too, and I think it's so funny because she is unproblematic, but she can also shut down. I feel like Arcel wanted to talk shit about Dorit being like, she talks so much, and she's like, and? And she's like, okay, let's change the subject. You're not on my page.

But Boze is like the neutral Switzerland, like a real one though, that is like, I'm not attacking you, and I'm not going to bat for Dorit but at the same time you're saying things where this woman is hurt, she's healing, why are you trying to kick her while she's down? It's because Boze isn't threatened. Boze knows she's smart.

Boze knows she's sophisticated and super intelligent and like she doesn't need to prove that by like explaining things to Dorit and trying to make Dorit feel stupid like all these other women often do. They read a book and then they go and been like, well, do you know like this? Cause I don't know, I just, I love both.

Let me pick everything that you do. And then they're like the one woman that like they think is so cool is friends with Dorit. And they're like, why? It bothers them so badly. And it's like, she's not up Dorit's butt or whatever. She said, Dorit is an embryo of your coochie.

Like, even then I love that her cut too is like, that was so juvenile. Like what is the point of making these statements about my friendship with Dorit either make an effort with me, but coming at me to be like, don't be friends with Dorit. It's a weird stance at 40, 50 years old. What also I love is that even though she's the new girl

with Kyle being like the queen of Beverly Hills, the fact that Kyle feels the need to go to Bose's house to get Bose on her sides, like shows the power that Bose has because of her independence and the fact that she doesn't give a fuck. Hell yeah. Like she may be new, but she has like made her power like known and her power comes from the fact that she knows

she can set a boundary, she's not intimidated, she's not a follower, she doesn't feel the need to fit in and make sure that she is welcomed by these people. She shows up as she is, and she's very comfortable with it. And Kyle can feel that, which is why Kyle goes to her place. Also, wasn't it kind of really sad, not even kind of, super sad to see Bo's beautiful house.

And now that we know that sadly it burned and it no longer exists to like, you know, it's really sad. But at least she has like lasting footage of what she created. I don't know, how would you feel about that? I don't know if that'd be harder or worse or I don't know. It's sad either way. You could at some point that'd be harder or worse or I don't know. It's sad. Either way.

You could at some point be like, oh, look, this was my house. You could watch this episode. I'm sure production would give her like unfiltered media if she wanted it. Also props. Did we, did we get an update on, I'm not sure. I'm not, wasn't really familiar what type of procedure she had, but she mentioned. Fibroids removed, right? 10 or 11.

Did we find out if she is gonna be able to conceive if she decides she wants to move forward with that? My mom had my youngest sibling at 47. Oh wow. I'm just saying there's a chance. Should we jump ship to Southern hospitality because what the fuck is going on with Emmy? Is she okay?

Pulse check. Speaking of veins. Yeah, speaking of. That was the most performing... Oh, my God. I got that, I believe. That's what she was doing. Yeah, that is exactly what she was doing.

That was the most performing performance I've ever seen in my entire life. She's also guilty. Her boyfriend was like, yeah. Well, did you do it? Well, aren't you doing that? Will is the worst this season. That was crazy.

The worst? You mean I kind of appreciated it. I don't care about the coming four. It's just like the fuck that your girlfriend is having a full on breakdown at work and you're just sitting there sipping a high noon. Being like, I know I can't go to the back because I don't work here. Yes, you can.

Yes, you can. You're on the show. If you have a camera on you, you can walk into the back. I don't know. He's probably seen this type of irrational like performative outburst. You can't defend. I won't allow, he's probably seen this type of irrational like performative outburst. I won't allow you to defend Will, this man is so fucking terrible. I don't know anything about him.

This is my first time meeting him was when she was having a hyperventilation moment. No, he was on episode one. The first episode where he was talking about her body. She's boring, she's anorexic, she's no fun. Oh and that's what he said about his girlfriend? That's what he supposedly said at the bar after her breakdown. At the end of the episode they were like, she's anorexic, she's no fun. Oh, and that's what he said about his girlfriend? That's what he supposedly said at the bar

after her breakdown. At the end of the episode, they were like, yeah, he was just drunk and talking shit about her and said, what did he say? She's boring, she's anorexic, she's no fun. Which is insane to say about anyone. Anyone, let alone your girlfriend. Livin' girlfriend. The woman you love.

But also like, Shabon, the girl who brought this issue up with Emmy being like, this is what the rest of the girls think. What a bizarre thing to just think of anyone being like, she said she had store credit and then were like giving her money for the, like you think she's, that was just like a weird assumption anyways,

you know, to make up about someone is like, she posted about having store credit or mentioned she had store credit at a store. Like if I'm being like, hey everyone, I credit or mentioned she had store credit at a store. Like if I'm being like, Hey everyone, I'm going to buy us t-shirts from this store. Like send me your money. And I bought a bunch of t-shirts from the store. And then the store is like, Oh my God, girl, we loved like, we love seeing like here's

some store credit. You think I'm going to continue buying stuff for other people and then pocket like, that's just a weird way to go around things. So you believe her or no? Because I believed her. I believe that that's probably something she did not do, although her reaction was so bizarre that it was like, this is a nothing.

I mean, like you would just be like, no, I'm not stealing. My oldest sister used to sell Mary Kay's like beauty products. MLM, yeah. And then like every Christmas she'd be like, so mom really wants makeup for Christmas. And then she would like, I'll get it. And then she would profit off of us getting our.

So your sister was the type. Yeah, she would take the commission, let's be clear. I mean, that, yeah. The commission and your money. She did not get the free makeup. I mean, she had to sell the makeup is like, I don't know, but she definitely made a commission off of us. And yeah, it was some shady shit.

It caused some family drama. So you think, Emmy. I honestly think Emmy had to have been more upset about Will in front of Siobhan and Michael's being like, well, are you pocketing the money? If there's an issue and Nick isn't like, she would never do that. If he's like, wait, well, did you?

Like, what? You're gonna ask me that question? Like, ask me at home later tonight if you like, she would never do that. If he's like, wait, well, did you? Like, what? You're gonna ask me that, like ask me at home later tonight if you like, you think I really did it, but in front of all these people have my back and be like, absolutely not, she would never do this. He didn't even give her like a pat on the head. Just like, he was like from five feet away,

like, did you do it? And then he's like, I'm gonna go. He just thought she was capable of anything that she was accused of. 100%. Or it's like, to go to your sentiment at the beginning of the episode, have your partners back. Yeah.

I, Kennedy made an appearance as the mentor of. Maddie. Yeah, I wish they would have edited him out if I'm just being honest. Yeah, that was her being like, he's my mentor. I'm like, I'll pick a new one. I will say female DJ, much cooler than male DJ in my eyes. I can support a female reality TV.

For sure. Maddie is definitely my favorite. She seems really cool. I mean, that recording session was wild. The Grace Lilly bit was hard to watch, I'll be honest. Didn't love the song. No. Maybe with the beat behind it.

I loved her confidence. Small auto tune, it could be fun, but. Love the confidence. The men in the room were kind of like, all right, I think we're done here. The men in the room looked like guys who got into music just so they could meet chicks. The one sitting on the couch barefoot was, I, that, that was a.

Is this a legitimate operation? No, it seemed very shady. It was a jump scare. I was like, I don't need to see this man's toes. It was kind of reminding me of like early seasons of Vanderpump when Sheena would record songs and he's like, make it sound like more like a porn star or something.

And like, you're just like, is this real direction for like, are you part of the academy? Do you know what you're doing? I'm just not trusting this right now. I will say as someone who just started watching the show, it's like you watch it, it's like, this is kind of stupid and dumb, but you're like, you keep watching it.

And then as much as the hyperventilation was crazy, you're kind of like, this is wild and awesome. I need the chaos. Also, isn't Molly Moore kind of giving like, kind of, Kaylor? Kaylor, okay, yes. She's giving Kaylor. She does give Kaylor.

Even in that, she really gives Kaylor in that photo. But also for them to be like, she was talking to all these NFL players and she's like, NBA players, first of all. It is a distinction. Get it right? She was like, they were tall. Their distinction is that- They were lanky,

they were tall. Their only distinction is they have guaranteed contracts. Yeah. Supposed to be an NFL that does not. She's like, and what's my background? Who's on my background? It's Will, so. They're never cheated.

I was like, mine's my dog. What does that mean? Also TJ spreading rumors that Joe Bradley was gay. I told y'all I don't like him from the start. But he gives me bad vibes. TJ or Joe Bradley? TJ. I hate to say it. TJ backtracking and telling Michaels that he likes him. I was like, okay. Now we're actually

playing emotions. TJ does look dirty. He seems untrustworthy. But I like the show because of him. Yeah. I'm watching. Yeah, I... I mean, again, we love the toxic people. Yeah. Short of them being actually physically abusive.

Facts. The mouth of the South. Mm-hmm. All right, well, we'll keep watching. I think that does it for this episode. Thanks for listening. Thank you to our guest, Emily Baker, and to our birthday girl, Molly O'Connell,

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