The Viall Files - E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef

Episode Date: January 28, 2025

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to speak to an advisor, free of charge. Bet MGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host Nick and I gotta say, I'm very optimistic about this Bachelor season. Very. I'll get into it momentarily. We have an amazing episode lined up for you. Obviously we'll break down last night's episode of the Bachelor Premier of Grants. Journey of Love is now kicking off. We got Traders. We got some Salt Lake City reunion. We have Robin and Nikki from Traders both ex-communicated

from the castle. They will be joining us later in the show to talk about WTF, why were they kicked out? Especially Nikki really got stabbed in the back. Rochelle really, she's like, I hate, ugh. I felt her pain. Yeah. But don't say it.

Like she said it, she said, I'm here to catch traitors. She's an empath. Lesson learned, guys. If all you got is the energy in the room, maybe don't vote off your bestie. It was like watching Bambi's mom shoot Bambi. Yeah, it was. Anyways, we'll get into that later this episode. Bachelor, I wanna get into the Bachelor.

I wanna kick things off. Before we get to household headlines, I wasn't really sure going into the season. We wanna kick things off. Before we get to household headlines, I wasn't really sure going into the season. We had the pleasure of interviewing Grant not too long ago. If you don't know much about Grant, you wanna learn about Grant,

I know they don't do much with the intro package. Obviously he was on Gen's season. And he was like a top five, top six. Anyways, that episode, that going deeper with Grant is out there. But you know, Grant, nice guy. Really, really, what I know, what we learned about Grant, super nice, definitely a gentleman, successful, good looking,

has a lot of qualities, but I wasn't sure about how messy could Grant get, you know? I wasn't sure. And then obviously, you never know with the women they cast. That's really not Grant's job, you know? And who knows, they're not really ever casting for the Bachelor. So you never really know.

Here's why I'm optimistic. I'm super optimistic because I've always said if the Bachelor could pull this off, it would probably be one of the best seasons of all time. And if you guys saw the super tease, now the super tease, hard to trust sometimes, because, you know, they really are, you know, specifically around the drama.

So like, it does seem dramatic, but at the very end, boy, they were like, I don't know how that's edited to the point where most of it's not true, and that at the end was, assuming it's Grant talking to his dad, I believe that was his dad, also talking to Jesse, where it's just like going into the final date, Grant doesn't know who he was going to pick,

but to the point where Jesse's like, hey, you need to decide, because they bring the person you're not gonna pick first, and it's just like, he's like, hey, you need to decide because they bring the person you're not gonna pick first. And it's just like, he's like, I don't fucking know. And like, if that's how it plays out, it's gonna be good. It's gonna be juicy, it's gonna be messy. Because, you know, if we all love the women in his final two, then like, we're gonna feel bad for one,

it's gonna be kind of awkward, that's gonna be great. What if we love one, but hate the other? What if one of the two finalists are the villain of the season? Oh, that would be epic, right? Like, lots of good possibilities. Anyways, very optimistic about this season. What'd you all think of night one?

I loved it. I was like, I don't know that I've seen The Bachelor make out with this many people the first night, but I was here for it. I was like, test the waters. Three? Was it three? It was quite a few, I felt.

It was more than three. There was more than three. I was like, I wanted Grant to just make out with every single one. I was like, pour it up. Do it, get in there. But I actually loved his women. I still do think Allie Jo is gonna be the villain. Oh, for sure. Yeah.

There were five kisses, by the way. I don't think Allie Jo is gonna be the villain. I think she's gonna have an early exit. She might just be from Jersey. She was in the super teaser. Yeah, she was. I think the Puerto Rican lady. Carolina.

Yeah, I think she's definitely gonna be a villain. You think she's giving villain? There was a scene where she is like walking up some stairs and she's like basically said, I'm the villain or something villainous. Who was your favorite entrance? I think my favorite entrance was Latia. She's bad at basketball, but she had the sparkly.

She just, the dress was insane. Honestly, I feel like the fashion this season was kind of blah. Really? I was like, I really do love sparkles. No, a few of them pulled it off. A few of them looked like they were just guests at a cocktail wedding attire. First kiss, was this a... Oh no, she was this like a...

Oh no, she was giving fashion. I liked her. Alicia? Alicia. Alicia. She was giving fashion. She was giving fashion. She was giving fashion. Yeah, the neck.

She was giving fashion. Maybe, you know, what do I know? I don't know, it all kind of gives prom dress to me, but it's cute and I like it. And I thought they were all really sweet. I feel like Rose could have maybe pulled something more. She just had like a silk, a satin dress, you know? Chloe, the red high neck,

was also kind of giving wedding guests. What about Dina? Dina's dress was- Oh, Dina looked amazing. She's like- Yeah. Dina looked amazing. So did Zoe, the t-shirt, shooting the t-shirt.

That was my favorite. That was a good one. That was awesome. Plus she was last. Isn't she like an engineer? Yeah, engineer and model. That's so tight. That was a good one. That was awesome. Plus she was last. Isn't she like an engineer? Yeah, engineer and model. That's so tight. That's awesome.

Rose came out first. Zoe, she came out last. That usually is important. When did you come out? Well, oh, I was middle of the pack. I was an underdog, baby. They didn't see me coming. We got Alex with the silent E, got first impression.

That was hard for me. At least we know, it's now Alex and not Alexi or Alexi. I was shocked by that first impression rose. Didn't see that coming. I didn't either. Maybe he was like, I feel like I have to give it to her because she brings a llama and then she doesn't get the first impression rose.

I couldn't take the like sk rose. That's a little. I couldn't take the like skits with the llama. Oh my God. It was a bit much. It was too much. Everyone was doing, then Jesse was doing it. Yeah. I loved it.

Alicia beefing with the llama. I was like, I love Alicia more for this. Linda. Well, I'll say this much. The first impression rose is very much the decision of the bachelor. Very little influence from the producers go into that decision.

So he must really like her and couple that with the fact that she also gets, Alex gets the first one-on-one date. That's like a double target on your back. Ooh, same way. The former showrunner always told me after my time on the show that they tend to get their villain from either the first impression rose or the first one-on-one date because it puts a target on their back and

then that person has a hard time handling the attention. When you get that early validation and if you feel like there's a connection and then all of a sudden you feel like you have this connection, a bunch of people have had no time. So when you feel like you have a connection with someone, you take things more seriously. You start, you know, not even realizing, you start kind of dismissing your peers a little bit, because they're like, they're out there hanging

with their homies, and you're falling in love, and people are just kind of get annoyed by you. So, it's a double whammy. So much for a no drama llama. How did y'all feel about Bailey's constant selfies? That's a lot. Leia was triggered. Oh my God.

Yeah, Leia was. I fucking hated that. I literally, I. It's who she is. She's an influencer. When I thought I was like, oh, this is too much. And then she kept doing it. Yeah.

Also, not great quality. I'll say that. They weren't great quality. It's a vision into your life, Grant. I mean, like take a picture of me. She was honest up front. I'll give her that. I do respect that. She was honest up front. I'll give her that. I do respect that.

She knows where you stand. I will say I liked the bob bit. Like the bob bit was cute. That was funny. But it was just like the constant selfies that it was like, okay. I mean, I guess it must've been some producer's phone. They're like, here, take this in with you.

I will say night one, you know how, well. We're gonna see all those photos on Bachelor's Instagram. You guys don't know this, but in the NFL world, they often say how week one is a lie because it's early in the season, there's a lot of upsets because it's week one, teams aren't really at their full capacity. I would say the same about night one on the Bachelor.

I think we have to be careful about our observations about who these people are night one because again, it's night one, they're super nervous, they're coming out, they're told to do a bit, they're encouraged to do a bit, they're encouraged to stand out. So let's let the dust settle. You never know, maybe Bailey will just completely lose

the whole phone bit. For those who have been watching for a while, Peter Weber season, one of the more iconic seasons of all time, a la Victoria, not showing up for hometowns. But Hannah Ann, another iconic character, everyone thought she was gonna be a villain early on. She had like Champagne Gate with Kelsey.

And Hannah Ann really just kind of like settled in and like really became the unproblematic, like sweet, you know, dare I say slightly boring. And I mean that and I love Hannah Ann in the best possible way, but like, yeah, it was, you know, you gotta let the dust settle before like the real drama unfold, so, you know, week one's kind of a lie. I did like Juliana a lot. I wish she would have actually taken a bite

of that cannoli though. Yeah, she really just only got the edge. And she was chewing for forever. She may have been like nervous, dry mouth, you know, when you like try to eat something and you're like, oh no. She had lipstick on. What And she was chewing for forever. She may have been nervous, dry mouth, when you try to eat something and you're like, oh no. She had lipstick on. What is she supposed to do, ruin the makeup?

Yeah, I think she should go for it. For the bit of the cannoli. If you're gonna do a bit, commit. Let him wipe the cannoli off your lip, maybe a kiss, maybe a... Also do a real lady in the tram. Yeah. I want it real.

What about Parisa's slideshow? I loved it. I loved it. At first, you know, obviously they did her dirty with like, oh, let's like take away the stereotype of crazy lady and cats while like looking at her rock collection. Laying on her stomach. I'm kind of obsessed with her.

But to get back to like, again, night one is about doing these types of things. And I thought she delivered it and sold it in a great way. Like obviously you sit down for a PowerPoint, it's giving like, oh my God, like type A, you know, like, oh my God. And then like she had a lot of fun with it. I thought she did a really good job.

I was shocked that she got the last rose. But I think she got the last rose because, you know, again, early on they will always pick one or two people who they think kind of gives crazy eyes and like is the most animated facial expressions because like the longer they have to wait for the rose, the more they just like lose their fucking mind. And it's like, she seems to be a very animated,

has a lot of animated facial features. So I don't think her getting the last rose means she's like on the chopping block. She looked like Mariska Haggerty. That's all I could think the whole time. She did. A special victims unit. Haggerty.

Haggerty. Law and order. Mariska Haggerty. Harkati. Harkati. Law and order. Law and order. Your girl? Who looks like her? Parisa. She looks like her.

Interesting. I do not see that at all. Sorry, Justin. They're both white and brunette. No, it's the face, like the facial features. Did Parisa's slideshow at all give anybody how to lose a guy in 10 days? When she's like, I have a family album.

Kids. I love her. Yeah, kind of. But she did it in a very cute way. I wish she would have like kind of, and maybe she did and, I'm family, I'm from. I love her. Yeah, kind of, yeah, yeah. But she did it in a very cute. I wish she would have like kind of, maybe she did and they cut it out, but I wish she would have leaned into like, AI really knows us. You know, like.

Because that was AI as fuck. That was the first time AI showed up in the bathroom action, that's kind of creepy. No, I thought she was good at Photoshopping. No, it was a little wonky. I wish she would have been like, AI knows us so well and it maybe would have. There were like six fingers in there for sure. Yeah.

I bet that Parisha would like make a mean YouTube video essay though. I was shocked that Alicia got second to last rose after they kissed and had such a moment and cute banter. Yeah. They had a lot of chemistry. Could you imagine y'all kissing and then him being like, you gotta go?

No, but she was imagining that for like an hour because that first rose ceremony when he like walks in, says like four names, walks out, waits five minutes, comes in, says four more names, walks out. And then sometimes if he like forgets the four names, because like they'll always, they usually give you four names and they're like if you forget doesn't matter honestly you can do one

at a time because every time you walk out they won't know why they'll freak the fuck out it'll be it'll be great but usually it's four yeah they'll give you four names and you walk in walk out give four and then you're just waiting the whole time so yeah that probably that first rose ceremony took like 45 minutes and she was just like going in and being like, we may own it, got the first kiss, blah, blah, blah. And then he's just like handing out the roses. Anyways, it's also kind of, it was intense when he would just grab the rose and just stop at every group of women and then be like, okay, keep going. Oh my God.

Wait, rose and the clay rings. I thought that was cute. The moon ring? The clay rings. When they had the clay and they were. Yeah. And then Grandsister pulled up. I kind of liked that move. I liked mood ring? The clay rings. When they had the clay and they were, yeah. Yeah, and then Grant's sister pulled up. I kind of liked that move. I liked it.

I called it though. I was like, it's his sister. It's definitely his sister. Oh my God, I was with them. I was like, is this an ex? Like, this is so shady. She looks exactly like Grant. I feel like as soon as they saw her,

they would have been like, they're related in some ways. That's so true. From the back, I was like, okay. They were cutting in and out to the ITMs of all the women giving commentary, and it was always like, this girl, she's a baddie, she's awesome, she's this, she's that, and I'm like, it's definitely a sister.

Because otherwise, it would have been like, who's this motherfucking? Showing up late. Yeah, like you could tell it was someone. That's a good point. And he was like, oh shit, but not like, oh shit. Yeah. You know, like.

He was too excited for it to be somebody dark in his past. Great looking family. Yeah. Yeah, great looking family. Yeah, fun little bit. Anyways, optimistic about this season. Wasn't sure going in, but I'll be tuning in. They're doing the damn thing.

Do you guys have any front runners? Dina. Zoe. I think Juliana for sure. Zoe, yeah. Latia, I hope Latia. Was Zoe basketball? No, that's Latia. No, Juliana for sure. Zoe, yeah. Latia, I hope Latia. Was Zoe basketball? No, that's Latia.

No, that was Janae. Oh no, Janae did the chalk and Janae went home. I was really dumb. Zoe was the T-shirt. The gun. The T-shirt gun. Latia had the sparkly basketball. I'm gonna say my top four right now

are gonna be Latia, Zoe. Rose. Rose you think, maybe. Alex. There were so many clips of her like sobia, Zoe. Rose. Rose you think, maybe. Alex. There were so many clips of her like sobbing, crying. You can only be sobbing, crying. Rose was like, you did me so dirty. Yeah.

Mine's Alex. It's definitely not Carolina, cause you saw that clip of her going to Grant being like, what did you say about me? Carolina, I think she's gonna go the way of... Sydney. She's gonna be like top six. She'll go home right before her hometowns.

Yeah. She was gonna be one of my finalists. She still can be be like top six. She'll go home right before her hometowns. She was going to be one of my finalists. She still can be. Carolina. Or just guessing here. Alex. Alicia. And yeah, that's what I got so far.

It's me. Zoe. Latia. Rose. And then. Juliana. Natalie. Juliana for sure.

Natalie maybe. Which one's Juliana? Juliana is the one who ate the cannoli and they had thatiana. Natalie. Juliana for sure. Natalie maybe. Which one's Juliana? Juliana's the one who ate the cannoli and they had that cute banter. She was like playing the piano and he was like, you're so talented.

And they were kissing and he was like, she was talking during the kissing. They were like, oh yeah. Yeah, I guess we'll see. Carolina. I think the fact that she, I loved how she admitted dating a DJ. Yeah.

That was good, some good self-awareness. It was. But like, I think she's like, she's been like behind the DJ booth a lot, I think. Yeah. I think this environment that she in is not as intimidating for her as it is for these other women.

And I think that's why she's ultimately gonna be the villain. She's gonna be unafraid and cocky and confident. And I think that's why she's ultimately gonna be the villain. She's gonna be unafraid and cocky and confident. And like, it's gonna start rubbing some of these women the wrong way. She was crying every two seconds. In the super tease? No, just like episode one.

Every conversation, tears. I don't know why I'm doing this. We don't either. Okay, well, exciting times. All right, household headlines, what do we got? Love is Blind is returning on Valentine's Day for season eight. All right, Love is Still in the Air.

Wow. Where's the season again? I think it's Minnesota. It's Minnesota, yeah. Yeah, Minneapolis, between the cities. The Home of Prince. The Home of Prince, Midwest drama. I'm very excited.

Do you think people are actually watching this on Valentine's Day? Cause you know the first batch is like three, four episodes. We will be. I will be. I feel like Valentine's Day. Cause you know the first batch is like three, four episodes. We will be. I will be. I feel like Valentine's Day is like at this point a little overrated. You know, I feel like people,

less and less people are going out to dinner and like doing this big hurrah. I feel like most people now are like, let's order in. Let's like watch a movie. Make dinner. Do something cute together personal. Cause have you been to lunch or dinner on Valentine's Day? In LA?

Yeah, it's a scam. Sounds like a mess. It's a pre fixed menu. You're sitting there with like- I'm already out. Couples that are like, couldn't get a babysitter. So you're in between strollers. And this is like Beverly Hills.

Like I'm like, we did this last year. And I was like, never again, are we going out for Valentine's Day. I say, I just like everything being heart shaped that you can buy it. As someone that really loves like a little heart shape, no matter what time of year it is, I get to bulk up. Nick and I went to Home Goods the other day

and I just ordered Valentine's Day baskets and I got Easter baskets. And so I was like, okay, I've got to like find some stuff to fill these. And we were in Home Goods and Nick was like, what is all? I mean, they've got like this heart shaped noodles and glitter and he's like, who is buying this? Like, oh, a popcorn.

A five foot long winter dog? Yeah. In the shape of a heart? No, it was a bench. Oh, okay. Yeah, but it was very much that trend on TikTok that's like, have you ever, do you, excuse me ma'am, do you have a five foot long?

I love this. We gotta do that. It's like the weirdest shit and they're like, oh yeah, right over here. It's like, do you have a five foot log? We gotta do that. It's like the weirdest shit. And they're like, oh yeah, right over here. It's like, do you have a frog doing a backwards yoga pose while holding a hose? Do you have a statue of a corn of a cob that's peeled like a banana

that kind of looks a little phallic? Yes, we do. We just got it in. Yeah. Then we went to the Apple store, which was triggering for me. I broke, I shattered my phone. Trying to steal a lemon from our neighbor's tree.

First of all, they were hanging over in our yard. They have a giant lemon tree. There's hundreds of lemons, more than enough to go around. Anyways, some were hanging over. I was married. It's giving curb your enthusiasm. Yes, it is. It's giving Larry David,

he's like wants him to pay to have the tree removed or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Anyways, I was making shish kebabs, which was already an epic fail. Nali hated it. I really failed dinner. How do you feel shish kebab?

I don't wanna talk about it. Okay. Nali was like, I guess I'll have cereal. I wanted to order Chinese and he was like, what if we just made like, chesh kebabs that's different and new, like chicken kebabs. And I was like, all right, sure I could do that.

Anyways. The chicken wasn't cooked. It didn't land. It was like in Southern hospitality. It was slightly pink. Now we decided it wasn't cooked. It was fine. It was more than fine.

It wasn't my best work, but. The rice was all wrong. So in the process of curing two lemons, I shattered my phone, like shattered. Like it was like, it wasn't like the screen was just like. It wasn't even shattered. It was just like glitched. Like, you know, like he didn't break the screen,

but like the whole screen was green. Like you could not use it. You couldn't like it. Yeah. It was giving technical difficulties. Oh my God, technical difficulties. So in the morning and I decided to go to the Apple store. I had some laptop issues. I figured, you know what, let's just go. to the Apple store. I had some laptop issues.

I figured, you know what, let's just go. And, you know, I had some old earbuds that I needed to like hopefully replace as well. And we went there early and then I was like, oh, it turns out that I opened till 11. We left at 10. So like, let's go to Home Depot and like have some quality time and connect.

Home goods, whatever. And then, so we promptly got to the Apple store. I got to the Apple store at 11 o'clock. As soon as they opened up, there was like me and three other people. There was no one there. It was raining. Finally it rained in LA by the way.

Yay for all of us. And then I'm like, hey, I need to buy a phone. No problem. They're quick to help me about that. Buying anything, no problem. Tons of people. Hey, I have also, I have my laptop and some stuff. I have some help.

Like, oh, well, do you have an appointment for that? I'm like, no, there's like three people in the store. Well, I guess, you know what, you know what we can help you out as if like they're doing me a favor. Meanwhile, there's also a guy like on a microphone yelling out, being like, all right, the workshop starts in five minutes. There's three people in the fucking store. And he's like on a microphone yelling to the whole store. Well, I'm just trying to get some help for my laptop and my phone and my earbuds.

And then they made me an appointment for my laptop and then Sort of like oh, well, it's your charging cord. I'm like great Can I get in because I got the laptop like six months ago? Yeah, let's see if it's under warranty But we have to like book an appointment for that to like see if it's under warranty like I guess anyways I had the appointment and they're like, what about my airpods? Like do you have an appointment for that? I'm like this isn't my appointment. No, you have to book a separate appointment for that. I'm like, huh I'm like about to lose my fucking mind.

Derek worked at a Apple store. I don't know how he did it. I don't know what's. Are you telling me that you have to have a separate appointment for each device? That's what they were telling me. Which one did you go to? Was it the Grove?

The one in the Americana? I don't know. Anyways, but they're like, oh, good news. We have an appointment? No, your computer is under warranty. We can replace your charging cord. Oh, bad news. We don't have that replacement cord in the color of this one.

So we're, you know, like, we can't give you a new one here. We can ship it to you. And I'm like, well, I have no other way to like charge my laptop. So I thought, by the way. The color? Wait, they wouldn't give it to you because it was the wrong color? Because, yeah, apparently a different color. But so I'm like, well, I guess I'll just have to buy one.

Because then I thought I was gonna get a different color. No, I got the same color, but that one's available for purchase, not for the replacement. Oh my God. I'm losing my mind. Yeah, this is fair. This does sound like a Curb episode for you.

Then, while I'm getting my new phone and uploading it, I'm like, my computer's at like 1%. So I'm like, hey, do you have any chargers for this laptop? Now, I got one of the new laptops, and you know how every six months, Apple changes all their chargers? And my old laptop had the two USBs, and then remember the one that had the magnetic charger?

That's one mine has now, where it just kind of breaks away? Well, turns out, my computer charges both ways. I never knew, and they, the guys who sold me the new charger, never fucking told me, but this other guy's like, oh, you can use this. I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? This is after I spent $50 on a charger that is under warranty that they told me

they couldn't sell me this one. I was about to lose my fucking mind. That's warranted. I think that's absolutely fair. I feel your pain. And then the man was the Nick rolled his eyes and gave some attitude and the Bro I just rolled my eyes like are you mad at me? I'm like a little bit He's like are you mad at me or Apple and he Nick was like Apple and he was like cuz I just work here That's such a meme move Like valid

You know what? No, I'm like now now I hate you. I think you're an asshole and I hope that the rest of your life is nothing but misery. Nick, I want you to know that your scene, I've also been a Karen in an apple before. It was triggering. It was really, really, really fucking triggering. I feel like we all have a place

or something that brings out a Karen in us. And mine is the people who knock on my door after they walk past my no soliciting sign and you witnessed me. I did. The other day as this woman, it's always when River's down for a nap and the dogs go fucking crazy

when people ring the doorbell and this girl was like, hi, Mr. V. I'm not even gonna try to pronounce it. And I was like, I'm his wife. And she was like, okay, we were just replacing windows. Do you have any windows or doors that you would like me to look at to replace? And I was like, no, but did you see the no soliciting sign? And she was like, oh, I see it now.

And I was like, great, because you just woke up my baby with my dogs barking. And she was like, all right, well, I'll be seeing myself out, as you should. Thank you. Thank you. I feel like we all have a place that the DMV, I feel like brings out a lot of Karen's.

That should though, it's the DMV. Gas stations. You know, the DMV is run by an inefficient government and like whatever. Like Apple is like richer than most countries. It's the richest company in the world. Cause they're pricks. Yeah.

You know what's annoying at an Apple store is if you ask for someone above them, they'll be like, I'm the highest person here. That's what got me irritated once. That's just irritating. If that were to happen to me, I'm digging my feet in. I'm not leaving. I'm like, that's not true.

Let's just say I have a corporate contact after that visit. Prove it. Oh my God. Your follow through, Justin, is really... It's impressive. I aspire for it. Thank you. Yeah, it's really great. Yeah, most people are just threateners,

but you're actually like... I say it peacefully and I think that's where they're like, most people are just threateners, but you're actually like. I say it peacefully and I think that's where they're like, oh, we can't even say this person's mad. Yeah, no, it's great. My face crumbles. Do y'all know what's going on with Billy Ray Cyrus right now? Not good, I don't think.

I know Trace, he posted an Instagram post, full post with caption saying that he's praying for his father. Like, I hope he gets help. He may not be here for long. A lot of like strong emotions in that post, full post with caption saying that he's praying for his father. Like, I hope he gets help. He may not be here for long. A lot of like strong emotions in that post, but he's not explicitly saying what's going on. I know people are assuming that it's like addiction, maybe alcohol. Well, I remember when him and Fire Rose got a divorce and there was like audio

footage released of him like screaming at her or something. And then I know Miley has spoken about how she's like, I got my narcissistic side from my father and none of them communicate with him or something. But then yeah, I saw Trace Cyrus, which I didn't even know there was a Trace Cyrus. And I guess there's another son too. It's Brayson, Brayson.

There it is, Brayson. I mean, it seems like an ongoing saga that this family obviously faces constant turmoil and a lot of sadness. I don't, you know. I do feel sad for him that he feels like he needs to come to Instagram and hopes that that'll be a way to get through to his dad. Yeah. It's a sad situation. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. Scary movie rebooted and I am personally very. Scary movie is being rebooted, and I am personally very happy about this. On a farce essence, I'm ready.

Just everybody. But I mean, it came to my attention that Nick can care less about the scary movies. Never really got into it. I didn't really even get into the screams after like Scream 1. But it's my understanding of the scary movies franchise was first was based off the Scream franchise.

The first one is, but like every other movie is about like a different scary movie. Are they scary? I think Joel McHale was the last in the most recent scary movie. I knew that just because of his. Any other reasons why we're excited about it? I just think we need like, because I used to do where I'd watch this, like the actual horror movie and then watch the scary movie version after and then I'd be like healed. And the first two were directed by the Waynes brothers. I don't know who directed the other

few, but the Waynes brothers are taking it back over. So this will be directed by them again. So it'll be in the vein, I'm assuming of the first two, which was explicitly funny. Ashley Tisdale was in the last one with Madea. Yup. I actually think Sarah was in the fifth one too. I feel like we're severely lacking in just good, goofy, silly fun for pure idiotic and lunatic purposes. And that's where I'm really happy.

I just wanna sit in a movie and just be allowed to laugh. Yeah. So it is actually funny. They're spoofs. Have you seen the scene where she's like, "'Cindy, the TV's leaking.' You've never seen that or heard it? Have you seen The Ring?

No. Okay. I think you need to watch one, you'll enjoy it. Yeah. Which one or heard it? Have you seen The Ring? No. Okay. I think you need to watch one, you'll enjoy it. Yeah, which one do you like? Do you like scary movies? It depends on how scary I guess. Like I don't want nightmares. Yeah.

But I also like- That's why you watch scary movie. But is it like- No. You might feel for a second like, oh, this is kind of scary, but then they immediately make you laugh. Yeah. Okay.

And then it's like a dick joke. A dick joke. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah's like a dick joke. A dick joke. Yeah, yeah. Love a dick joke. All right, love a dick joke. In the spirit of, since everyone responded to my losing my mind over the Girl Scout cookie. Were they on your side or off your side?

I don't know, don't care. People had opinions, I had one. But I came up with, I have a new fun segment I wanna do, Daily Dilemma, like I came over I have a new like fun segment I want to do daily dilemma. Leah came up with the title of random Family saga stories where there may or may not be a debate to be had this week's edition is wedding themed Leah, can you read that headline? Absolutely mom catches heat for agreeing to pay for her daughter's wedding, but not her stepdaughters

Valid I'll give a little more context if you want for agreeing to pay for her daughter's wedding, but not her stepdaughters. Ooh. Valid. I'll give a little more context if you want. Yes, please. Okay, so the two daughters have gotten engaged and only Hannah was informed that her wedding would be paid for. When Alexa asked her father

if he and her biological mother would be paying for her wedding, he told her no. He said she should have a wedding that she and her fiance can afford. The sisters went to lunch and Alexa found out that Hannah's wedding was being paid for and she called her dad crying that it's unfair. So wait, who's the biological parent here?

The dad. Alexa asked her father, yeah, so it's the dad. Yeah, it's her stepdaughter. So the dad is the biological parent, the mother is the stepmother. Damn, that's dirty. Who's paying for it though? Is it the stepmom or like, who makes the bucks, man?

I think it's dirty, I don't like it. But like when were they, when did they get married? If the mom, if I wanna pay for River's wedding and you like had a kid with someone prior, you can pay for their wedding, you and her mom can pay for that wedding. You know, if this couple got married three years ago or something and the mom her whole life

has been saving up for her daughter's wedding. Yes, that is what happened. The mother was saving up for the wedding. So John believes that they should split the money evenly between the sisters, although the woman told him no, because I was the one who had been saving the money. I'm team mom here. Yeah, valid.

Team mom. How long have they been married? Do we know that? Bad dad. Have they been married for like, has the stepdaughter been in her life for like five years? That's the thing. Is it like, they got remarried when the stepdaughter

was like 10 or when she was like 30? Cause I think that's also different. You know, all of the girls know. I'm not sure. Either way, I think I'm team mom. I think I'm, it's a bad dad story. I think the stepchild's biological mom and her biological dad should step up to the plate

and help her out. Maybe there is no mom. When their daughter was 10 years old, from that point forward, it was decided that she and John would split Hannah's cost and help her out. Maybe there is no mom. When their daughter was 10 years old, from that point forward, it was decided that she and John would split Hannah's cost while he would split Alexa's cost

with her mother. She claims that at the moment she told John that she was starting a savings account for Hannah and hoped I could save enough money to pay for her wedding or a down payment on a house. The woman said their finances

are kept separate and the conversation didn't come up again. So this was a conversation they had when one of their daughters at least was 10 years old and she said, I'm saving up for my daughter to have a wedding. John could have asked Alexa's mom to start a bank account

to save up for their wedding, did not. And this is where we're at right now. And I don't think she's an asshole for. No, I'm a team mom. Yeah. Team mom. I have step siblings, I'm also team mom. There's a lot of step kids out there who are not happy. Who do not agree.

Yeah. But take that up with John. Yeah. John, you fucked up. Dirty John. Dirty John, man. Absolutely dirty John. Would you get married to a Chuck E. Cheese? I already did.

Ooh. Yeah, well, Chuck E. Cheese has an April Fool's joke, right? Or something about a wedding package? About saying that, yeah, there's a wedding package. And then basically a couple had a wedding at 8 a.m. at a Chuck E. Cheese for $800. 8 a.m., that's early risers to go to that wedding. Yeah, but like she opted out.

Like what I found fascinating about the story is like, because she was gonna have a different, more expensive wedding at a different, more expensive pizza place. It says because the bride wanted to have a fun, more expensive wedding at a different, more expensive pizza place? It says because the bride wanted to have a fun wedding that didn't break the bank, she started looking for local pizza restaurants that could host around 25 guests,

but everything exceeded her budget. I thought it didn't make sense to spend thousands on a pizza dinner, so I tried to think outside the box and come up with a venue that would be more fun, but still on the cheaper side. And they landed on Chuck E. Cheese. I mean, because honestly,

if you're gonna go to a pizza joint, just pick the cheapest one. The one you could have more fun. I thought, because honestly, like if you're gonna go to a pizza joint, just pick the cheapest one and the one you could have more fun. I thought you were gonna say, if you're gonna go to a pizza joint, just get married. There's that, but what I thought was also super cute about this story is that not only was it only $800, everybody got an unlimited game bracelet.

So they were all playing arcade games for the reception. And then their like, parting gift was they got a prize with the tickets that they won. And they also did it before they opened to the public, 11 a.m., so there's not a ton of kids just running around. That's cute. That's awesome.

I think they nailed it, I'm sorry. No, it's definitely, yeah. Listen, you can't, if you're not, if your sister-in-law doesn't own a beautiful animal farm where you can have a Yellowstone theme-typed wedding, go Chuck E. Cheese. You know? Legit, though.

Like, that's what we would, honestly, it was like that or Chuck E. Cheese. Yeah, so. I would go Margaritaville. City Walk Margaritaville. I think I'd probably do like a movie theater that had the arcade in it. Okay.

Okay, yeah, definitely would love that. Another dilemma, Uber is giving out free month of rides a movie theater that's had the arcade in it. Definitely would love that. Another dilemma, Uber is giving out free month of rides for teens who fail their driver's test. I feel like this is an Uber scam. I don't know. So we're congratulating them for failing their test. So like dumb kids get free rides? The reason they're doing it is to basically,

they're trying to help the parents out. So they're saying because the parents have busy schedules with like dropping them off at practice, to school, that like- Take care of your kids. I'm not putting my kid in an Uber. Yeah. Well, Uber's like, sorry parents,

you're too busy not parenting your kids. Let us- Let strangers- Let a strange man take your kid- Take your kid to soccer practice? Well, so it's like a teen account connected to the parent's account. So I think it's,

you could assume it's a more safer version. Oh, so they're letting the drivers know that a minor is about to enter their vehicle. They're giving them a heads up. Yeah, that's what it sounds like. You're trying too hard, Uber. Yeah. Hey, parents, just parent.

Uber. You know, be involved with your kids. Why don't you have driving lessons for kids then? Like I, right? Maybe teach them a skill. Instead of putting them in a car along with a stranger. It's like an internship program. Yeah, teach them how to drive.

They're an apprenticeship. Yeah. Maybe that's what they're doing. Yeah. The driving test can be hard for some people. Not for me, I passed with flying colors. I failed my first one. You did?

Yeah. Your written test, you failed like three. Your permit test? No, that's as an adult. No, when I was 16. No, the written tests in California are bullshit. And it's like, they're complicated questions. No, my first driver's test.

It was a four way stop, so I thought. You totally paused? I paused and then there was a car coming. And then the driver's like, yeah, there's a car coming, you failed. But then the second time I only got one point off. Wait, what do you mean? So you stopped at just an intersection that was go?

I was about to go and I would have made it for sure, but the instructor told me to stop. And since they had to like stop me from going, I guess that was an automatic fail of some kind. I don't know. Wait, can I just say that I don't think driver instructors get enough credit because that's a very dangerous job. Like think about that. That you're literally in the car with somebody who does not know how to drive while everybody else is driving

You've got people driving crazy because they're experienced Some of them do you're putting your life in danger, but some of them know Nick Natalie who is gonna be the one to sit in the car and do all the hours with River? Do you think you'll handle it more calmly? Who's gonna be the one to sit in the car and do all the hours with River? Me. Me. Why? Okay. Do you think you'll handle it more calmly? I just feel like- She thinks she's a better driver.

I do think I'm a better driver. And I feel like we learned that with your whole, what story was that? Running out of gas story. The gas. Yeah. I don't know if that message was what Ryron feels, but- You don't check the lights.

We also failed your adult test a few times. You just admitted to that, so. Then you failed your first test. You tried to pass that test. I did. I do still have a Georgia driver's license. I'm 16, because I'm scared. It's just, you know, it's not going my way.

All right, coming up shortly, Robin from Traders, who was one of the two that was voted off. We are excited to talk to her. But first, for all of you, and we'll spend a brief amount of time on it, because it has gotten real toxic out there. Guys, we are very much obviously in the minority when it comes to the Blake and Justin.

Oh, I'm getting threats in my DMs. I'm getting, you better stop talking about Justin or else type of DMs. Which is crazy. Colleen Hoover had to deactivate her Instagram. She's being harassed and bullied so much. A friend of show like Liz Plank, Justin's former co-host,

one of many people who has separated herself from Justin, also getting harassed and bullied online. But anyways, yeah, it's getting real toxic out there. Which I thought, I think we were kind of surprised about, just because obviously you guys know, you're aware of our opinion on the case, but if you are on the other side of things, it was just shocking.

People are literally sending Natalie threats, which is also interesting because no one's sending me those threats. I'm sure they will now. Uh. Okay. I mean, I see people trying to discredit our, because one of the few shows out there

who are not Team Justin, a lot of the army of Justin influences are like, you know, definitely coming for us, which is always funny and fun. But I will say I did talk to some people over the weekend, and I got a better understanding of where the Team Justin people are landing and why they're landing and why there may be such vitriol if you are Team Justin. My friend went to a dinner party and overheard a group of women talking and they were very much anti Blake, right? They were making some wild comparisons. I think the general theme of this group of women, the why they thought about Blake according to my friend, was they think

she's lying. They think she's making this story all up. Which I do think that's the one thing all of us can agree on, that if Blake is just falsely accusing this man and making up stories, that would be like one of the worst things someone can do, given like just the damage of what it does to real victims out there. And then I got a phone call from a friend whose opinion I really respect and trust. It was a work colleague, an acquaintance, you know, haven't heard from in a while, but do very much trust their opinion. And they were not Team Blake. I will say the people I did talk to, though, however, acknowledge that most of the information she is getting

or informing her opinion around is just watching clips online. She's like, yeah, I didn't listen to your show. I'm like, that's fine. So it is a bunch of online. Did she read the complaints in the lawsuits and stuff, or is she just? Unclear, I think she's reading a lot of people,

because a lot of creators covering it, and they're posting clips of the complaint. So I don't think she sat down and read all the complaints, which I have done. But I think her big takeaway is she said she was in Blake's camp at first, and then when this video came out, that kind of changed her opinion,

in the sense that apparently after watching this video and reading Blake's complaint, it was like Blake's complaint didn't match the video. I'm not going to get into that. There's a lot of different opinions out there right now, but that was just her opinion. So yeah, I think she just kind of thinks she's being a Karen. And then she also referenced how recently Blake's team referred to Justin as an abuser. And she was just like, none of these complaints, she's like, it doesn't say abuser to me. And my response to her was, well, listen,

and I would say this to anyone who's been on Justin's camp. I was like, if you got hired at a job for let's say a three month engagement to consult on a job, and the boss of that job is someone that you were gonna be working with every day, and the reputation of this person that you were working with every day was like, they were a saint.

And then two weeks into it all of a sudden they started like giving you the ick here or there it started making you feel uncomfortable then one day that I called your friend behind your back elicited some personal information just a bunch of little things that were just like I'm I don't want to go to work anymore I'm uncomfortable and then you finally complained turns out they were also HR but you finally complained and then you found out, and again, this is just my interpretation of the events, I don't wanna get into what people disagree with,

you finally complained, and then you found out that person hired people to bully you and your family and harass your other coworkers about you online and really make your life miserable. Like, wouldn't you think that person is an abuser? And they were like, yeah, I guess, I kind of. That's just kinda how I see it, but the reason why my opinion is what it is,

is strongly based off of the fact that I interviewed Justin a long time ago, read his books, consumed his content. And I just personally think that if you're gonna make your whole platform through the books you write, the podcasts you do, the Ted Talks you do, you are the voice for women to hear their sorrows and their pains and champion them and lecture men. And literally message is, hey guys are you man enough to believe women's stories? That is Justin's literal message. If you're gonna do that,

ultimately in my mind you're selling safety. You are selling, I am safe to a group of vulnerable people and that vulnerable group is any woman who's ever had a bad experience with a bad actor who's a man. And so when you're selling that you're safe, you're literally saying, you can put your guard down around me. And it's just a lot easier to protect yourself when you see something coming versus when you don't see it coming. And I said to my friend, like, if I went to go see my priest for like counsel and then out of nowhere that my priest started talking to me about porn they like, I would

probably feel way more uncomfortable than if Mike, my kind of gross friend, did it, right? And he put that responsibility on himself. So in my mind, if you're going to do that, you better walk the walk. And my standards for people like that are so high. And that's why I have such a strong opinion, because I just think it's highly unlikely that he walked the walk that he did. Like she's accusing him of sexual harassment, not sexual assault. I think he did a bunch of weird, creepy little things and I think she told on him because she wanted to get back to work.

And I think he's hired a bunch of people who have created a lot of discourse and influence. But anyways, that's our opinion. I don't know why it's gotten so toxic, but I think we're trying to back off it a little bit so people can stop threatening my wife. But we'll see how things play out. I think it's gonna be like, Mary made this joke,

like it's gonna be like that Britney Spears doc. As time passed, like people are gonna watch it and be like, oh, we should have known. Be like in 10 years, they're gonna be like a bunch of Twitter threads being like, Blake Lively was always the victim and you guys just like didn't know. Like you see with Amber Heard, it's just like such bullshit.

It's like maybe we could just believe a woman. I think Justin and Blake wanna go to court, that's my prediction. I think Justin's Blake want to go to court. That's my prediction. I think Justin's New York Times case is going to get thrown out. And a lot of legal people I've talked to, I think him and his team are going to end up owning the New York Times money. And I wouldn't be shocked if his lawsuit against Blake and Ryan also gets thrown out. And I think Blake's going to win.

And I think when that happens, it'll be interesting to see all the alleged witnesses, according to Blake's complaint, what they say and the other details that we really don't know about. And I guess we'll see. And then maybe you guys can tell us we were totally wrong and or not. Up next, we got Robin from Traders. It can be so hard to stay focused

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traders anymore. I'm sad too. I had unfinished business. Alright well let's start it there. What was the business that you wanted to do before you got sent home? After that round table, I was thinking, I like, I gave it some thought and I instantly was like, okay, Rob, Boston Rob is a trader just based on drag Queens response to him, he was, he had such like a visceral angry reaction to him calling him a traitor. I just knew I was like, okay, this is a different response than Dilling accusing Bob the Drag Queen of being a traitor. So I was convinced

that Boston Robb was a traitor and I was going to get him the next day. So I was so upset when they murdered me and when I found out they didn't banish Boston Robb that night. I mean, that is a good take, but I do, and I said this with Wells, I feel like the people you throw out at the roundtable, I mean, clearly none of them were traders, but it was like, what? She thinks they are? What? What were you kind of going off of?

Well, I'm not the only one that was wrong on people. No, no, no, no, I know, I know, I know. There's a lot of people that are wrong. I'm not coming after you. You know, I'm not the only one. I was just probably vocal because I'm just like, you know, I'm not here to just like be one of those people who just kind of sits here quiet and tries to sneak by. I just wanted to, you know, I came there to make a television show and I just wanted to make a television show. And so for me, it wouldn't have felt right if I was sitting there just like being quiet and not saying

anything. And you've got to like think about what it's like to be in our shoes. Like I've been a viewer. I love the show as a viewer. But when you already know who those three or four traders are, you're just honing in on their behaviors where we're in a room with 20 other people who we really don't know. And so we're evaluating every little thing that they do. So we don't have the luxury of just paying attention to a handful of people. We are watching everyone. We're saying, okay, well, let me see if something, you know, weird is happening. If there's a shift in energy. I mean, I even after Alan picked his traders, I thought Sierra was a trader because she went in the kitchen

and grabbed a bowl of grapes and started eating them. And I was like, oh, she's trying to deflect. She's trying to be distracted from the fact that she just got picked to be a trader. So you're really looking at every little thing that people are doing. With Wells, it was like, I don't think they showed it, but like when we had our little conversation in the billiards room, he got up and walked out of the room and I was like, oh, okay. Like he's in the hot seat and he wants to just avoid this conversation. So I was the only one, but I was right on Boston Rob. I wish I had had the opportunity to really convince people that.

It makes a lot of sense why early on, and I think Wells was saying this, or I think a lot of the faithful were talking about how they wanted this season to be the season where you guys found out a traitor right away. But just hearing, Robin, hearing how you and the rest of your cast kinda came up with their theories, many of which were wrong,

it speaks to when you're looking for something, like you just kind of over read every little thing. And like the traders usually are the one who are more calm, more reserved because they're operating with a little bit more like just confidence. So that when like, when everyone, when all the faithfuls get accused of something, I think you look inherently guilty. Cause you're like, I'm not, you know.

Right. Do you feel like that's'm not, you know. Right. Do you feel like that's why Danielle is kind of, no one's really suspecting her is because she has these like crying moments and she. Absolutely. I mean, Danielle from the jump. And of course you all don't see everything, but every little thing that Danielle did was, was filled with some sort of emotion or like, you know, anxiety, um, even at the round tables.

I remember that first round table when it was between me and Wells. And you know, you look around as people were like making their picks or whatever. Like I made my pick early, it was Wells. Boom, I put my thing down. And so, you know, I'm looking around and Danielle's sitting there, she's just like deliberating

and she's like, oh God. Performing. Oh God. She's just like deliberating and she's like, oh, God. She's so stressed. Like she's just filled with angst over this decision that she had to make and this pic she had to make. And I saw that. And so for me, I'm like, she's not on my radar because she's totally just stressed over this pic. So it's like you really I you can't. I made this mistake and probably a lot of people make the mistake is you put yourselves in the in the shoes of a trader.

You say, well, if I was a trader, how would I act? And for me, if I was a trader, I would be really low key. I wouldn't be bringing attention to myself. I wouldn't be going from person to person and talking so much like Drag Queen was I wouldn't be, you know, going from person to person and talking so much like drag queen was doing. And so seeing Danielle be so just emotional and she would be kind of like a little bit all over the place and have a lot to say. She never was on my radar. So this game, I mean, I think you just never know. Like you just have to throw something at the wall and see what sticks at that point that early in the game. Were you as shocked as we were to see Nikki go home?

Because especially after her like performance with like two times in a row, she like refused to save herself. And then also crying again, like, I'm like, I'm just trying to figure out like, before you left for people floating Nikki's name around? It seemed like it came out of nowhere and it wasn't even close. It was like unanimous that she got picked. Yeah. So before Nikki was put into the caskets,

people were floating her name around. Oh, the caskets. You know what, Boss Sherob called it. He said, we're gonna get a two for one because we'll kill one and people are gonna still think probably someone is a traitor in the casket. Boy, that Boston rum. Yeah, so that's kind of, and they were aware of that.

So I think, actually, it was Nikki and Jeremy whose names were being floated around as traitors. So when they went in the caskets, a lot of our antennas went off. We're like, wait a minute, we were just saying that we think Nikki and Jeremy are traders. And we had seen Nikki and Jeremy kind of like talking on their own. And so it was just all these little like red flags were around Nikki and Jeremy. But we knew Jeremy wasn't though because he got killed. Right, so then the thought was when Jeremy was killed,

we were like, well then Nikki must be a traitor. Like that was the thought. Oh, because like Jeremy was onto her or something. What was your reaction to seeing Danielle turn on Carolyn? It's a mess. Crazy, yeah. You know, I don't know what happens, but I felt like, first of all,

I thought Boston Robb messed up by doing what he did to drag queen that early in the game because it creates, we can see it just creates a snowball effect of distrust amongst the traders. And so now what Danielle did, that was just insane. She should have known that, and maybe she did it on purpose. She should have known that Dylan was going to go back to Carolyn and tell her that she was floating her name about. I thought that was not good strategy. She should have really laid low. It was too early for them to start trying to frame each other,

way too early. So I'm curious to see where does this go? This season, the Housewives have had a target on their back. Do you think that it's based off of the previous season, like Phaedra being such a good trader that they think that you guys were so unsuspecting? Did you feel that they were targeting you in the house? Yeah, for sure. I felt like people came in just based and were trying to recreate what happened

the season before, or trying to, they were just basing their biases based on what they saw the season before. And so they saw Phaedra be a traitor, they saw Sheree last a really long time in the house. And so I think they just assumed, oh, a housewife has to be a trader. And then on the flip side, the traders knew that that would be the thought process of everyone and it would be easy to frame the housewives.

But what I loved about it was that this season is completely different than last season. Like, you know, what we're seeing where we haven't seen anything really like it before. And I think that's what now people coming into the game in the future should, should keep in mind. Like, you know, you can't base anything that happens in your current season on what you saw the previous season because they got to keep it fresh, but they definitely had their eyes on the Housewives. We had targets on our backs.

And it was kind of unfair though, because they would say like, oh you guys have numbers and all this stuff. And I'm like, yeah, but the gamers have numbers. Survivor has numbers. Like everyone else has numbers. Why are you worried about us? That's what's kind of shocking.

If you're gonna target any group for no reason other than the fact that they're a group, target the gamers. Because they're gonna be good. And you have to assume that one of the gamers is a traitor. I mean, you have Survivor, Big Brother, Challenge. I feel like that would be, at the round table, my only argument of, you know,

if you don't have anyone so early on, it's like you've got nothing to, it's like, well, let's go for West because you're a gamer. And like, it's gotta be for some reason, maybe yes, maybe no, but like might as well try to take out a game. Let's get the gamers fighting with each other. I mean, so Tony, so think about it, Tony from survivor. We were, we banished him because he was a great survivor player. And it was just certain things Tony would say around the house that were like,

we took out Tony, they took out Jeremy. So we started to take out the gamers, but they were just stuck on this house. So I think, but when I watched them murder me, I was like, okay, that was like anti-climatic. Like, what was the reason? It was just like, okay, let's just pick Robin. Like, what?

Like, did I get a reason for it? Nothing. So you like basically like wake up and a producer walks in and be like, you're dead? No, that's not how it works. So we actually all wake up and get dressed as if we're going to breakfast. And because we do confessionals throughout the day,

you can be asked to do a confessional before breakfast. That doesn't necessarily mean you were murdered. But if they asked you to do a confessional before breakfast, that's when you get murdered. So we are like, we're ready for the day. I was ready to get Boston Rob. I was like ready to start. Did you also think like Ayaan where she thought the survivor cast were survivors of diseases of some kind or an ailment? No. So although I didn't, the only boss, the only survivor I knew was Boston Rob. I knew that survivors was a television show. OK, I wish there were clips of her being like Lyme disease. She's so funny. I was so mad they murdered her just because she's so funny.

Like, yeah, I don't know what they were thinking. Funny. Yeah. Oh, I feel like producers could have stepped in there and been like, oh, let's find someone. Guys, do you think we would have picked her as a traitor? Nyan as a traitor? That would be crazy. I mean, you know, that would have been comedy. It would have been really...

Like Dorinda and Nyan, if they were actual traitors. Yeah, it would have been comedy. But I was definitely like, can a producer step in and stop and tell them to stop killing housewives? Like, come on, you need you need us on the show. You want good TV. keep the housewives on. Robin, give me three housewives from any franchise that you want to see next season.

I would love to see like Erika Girardi. Okay. These are people like will never do it, because like, Why would Erika never do it? Can't have our phones. Oh. Um.

Erika Girardi, Nene Leakes would be fun. And let's put Ramona in there. Love. I think that would be pretty exciting. Any more questions for Robin before we let her, Sierra's got one. I do. Going into the round tables, what was your strategy for how you decided who you were going to vote out?

Were you corroborating with specific people, trying to see how they were going to vote, or were you doing it just individualistically? Because it was so many people, I didn't really have an agenda to push. For me, say for I had Wells and I had Tony just on my mind. They were like really the only ones, but I wasn't trying to like vote somebody out, you know, if so, because it was that early, it was like, let's see what the rest of the group has to

say. Let's see if they have anyone to put out there. And since people didn't really have a lot to put out there, it's like, okay, well, let's go for the ones that are in my head. So no, at that point, there was no strategizing with the round tables. It's just so early, so many people. You just wanna see what everyone else is thinking. What color are your eyes?

They're the most insane things I've ever seen. Oh, thank you, they're green. Oh, they're so pretty, oh my God. Thank you. Well, I would love to cover Potomac at some point. So maybe we will start. Please come back. Well, yeah, I'm like, I'm not on Potomac anymore.

But yeah. Maybe as a friend of, are you done done? You're at Forever Gone? I mean, I don't know. I'm sure you have opinions on what's going on, and we can get you on here to just talk some shit about your previous cast meeting. I mean, I have a lot of opinions.

I believe it. Yeah, a lot of opinions. All right, Robin, thank you for your time. It's been super fun watching you on Traders, and hopefully we'll hear some of those opinions on Potomac some other day. Yeah, thank you. It's been a pleasure.

Take care. Bye. Bye. All right, bye. But one thing too that I wonder, where I'm like, I understand like while you're in it, and it's so many people, but like for me just even taking a step back, I'm like, why was Boston Robb offered to come in already?

And then we have a second offering of him back in the game. Like to me, I would already immediately want to have him out because I'm like, why was Boston Robb offered to come in already? And then we have a second offering of him back in the game. Like to me, I would already immediately want to have him out because I'm like, why are we pushing so hard to have this man on the show? Yeah, true. He's shockingly flying under the radar for a man who everyone's like, yeah, boy, he would be really, really bad if he was a traitor.

Right, you didn't want him in the first round. They all know that he's a traitor, but for some reason, they're too scared to make a move and to get him out. Yeah. He's just too good of a game player. Like Derek knows that he's a traitor, but for some reason, they're too scared to make a move and to get him out. Yeah. He's just too good of a game player. Like Derek knows that he's a traitor, like they all are saying like, well that's the thing though, it's just like,

he's surviving now, it's still fairly early, like Rob's not gonna win. No, no. Up next, the exile that I think shocked everyone, at least it shocked me. I think Rob had gave it some context about like the, I forgot about the casket element, but I was still blown away, more specifically,

because Krishel had a vibe. But anyways, we'll get to hear from the faithful herself. Nikki Garcia is up next. Look at our Bambi. Hi guys. Hi Nikki. Nikki. What the fuck?

Why were you sabotaged? I was. I'm never joining an Alliance again. No, I'm just kidding. I'm about alliances. Have you confronted Krishel yet? We actually went, I'm trying to say this without being,

whenever Krishel came home, so that could be at all the way at the finish end, who knows, but when she was able to have her phone, I was her first phone call. And she honestly is the sweetest thing. We love, we love Krishel, but like vibes? Energy. Energy? Huh?

I know, I was shocked. And I knew at the point, the minute, that was towards the end of like, just going at it with everyone, and then I knew that like, my fate was sealed. Like that was, that was me. We talked to Robin earlier, and her theory, cause obviously she wasn't there

when you actually got voted off, but she made it seem like the target was very much on your back as a result of the whole coffin situation a few episodes back. Is that what you attributed to? Totally. Because for our challenge earlier that day, like Rob made it a point to join our car. So it was like us bambies. And then he came in, which I thought I was like, Oh, that's interesting. Like he really wanted to go with us. And, and I legit did not think he was a trader only because I swear it's in our handbook, traders aren't allowed to out traders, like that's like a rule. So when the whole situation with him and Bob went down and how, like you guys

should see that raw footage, it was insane. I'm thinking when everyone had those theories, I'm like, yeah, that's smart. Cause it was super heated, but like, you can't do that. You can't out a trader. Like fear trade. Can you give us a little tea of some of the insane things we didn't get to see? I mean, just how they were going at it. It was so heated and it went for like 15 minutes.

And, um, like I can't even remember the stuff they're saying, but it was just like, I thought they were about to physically fight. It was pretty nuts. Wow. I know it was like really intense and I was in shock and that, and you know, it's funny because I got really close with Bob and when you start this whole journey, you share van with some, like with a few people before you, like we do stuff for three days before even actually starting the day. So it was Gabby, Bob, Tony and I, like the whole time. So we all four got really, really close.

You get close with who's ever in a van. And Bob to me is one of the funniest people. Like I just, I loved him. Off camera made all of us cry, laugh, like just super funny. And so he played me great. Like I had no idea that he was a trader. Like I totally was manipulated and brainwashed and like no way. So when my reaction, my reaction was real.

I don't know why people thought I should have thrown a chair in the air, flipped the table, like made some big dramatic, like, oh my gosh, Bob's a traitor. Like I was actually shocked. And I was kind of shocked that that was a target on my back of how I reacted. It is crazy to see how people come up with their theories, which we've come to learn is almost based off of nothing.

In Krishel's case, it was based off of? Her being an empath. Her being an empath. we've come to learn is almost based off of nothing. In Krishel's case, it was based off of? Her being an empath. Her being an empath. Yeah. I fell for it. She was crying. It was really sad.

She really didn't wanna do it. Krishel, if all you got is vibes, just don't vote for your friend. Like, I mean, listen, I get it. It's a game, it's traitors. If you got some like hard facts, be like, hey girl, I saw you say you were a traitor. I gotta call you out, but like.

Or at least she could have, I feel like, come to you and been like, hey, your reaction in the car like set off some red flags with me. Yeah, did she ever do that? Did the first time you got accused by Krishel was at the round table? Yeah. Whoa.

It was hard. I was super shocked. I was like, wait, what? All right, in the moment though, I know like you guys are fine and we all love Krishel. She's super nice, but like how pissed were you? I actually, what kind of was crazy, I was more like sad and emotional.

Like, okay, so I've been a sports girl my whole life. Soccer, then wrestling. All I've ever known is a sisterhood. I'm an identical twin. Like I just, so an alliance for me and like being in a girls group, like that makes sense for me. That's how I roll. That's how I work well with. So when that happened, I was actually just taken back and it made me emotional, which I was like, Oh my gosh, why am I so emotional about this? But it actually like hurt me. Like I felt, I guess betrayed. And so you were, I was like, I don't want to cry. Like, can we just like, wait a sec. I was more mad at the others for accusing my personality that fired me up. Like when West and I went at it the night before the week before, I actually my blood was boiling like as if I was in a bar fight in college.

Like I just hadn't had that feeling in so long. And I think when people were coming at me expecting me to be a WWE wrestler and like be this big heel from 2017, I'm like, what? I'm like, this is the craziest thing I've ever heard. And then the night after then to get attacked, like you're just too cool and calm. And I was like, what? Like that stuff pissed me off. In my head after that argument, I was like, I think I just want to go home. And then when Krishel spoke up, I was like, I think I just want to go home. And then when Chrishell spoke up, I was like, I'm not even arguing anymore. I'm so done and over this. Night two defending myself for stupid shit.

And I was like, done. Yeah, I can imagine. Cause obviously, you know, a lot of people get casted on the show, like have a pretty long history of being on reality TV or in your case, you know, WWE. And they come with a history. They come with a reputation of some kind.

And you're right, like 2017, it must be super annoying to have, like, people like tell you about you from something they saw on TV from eight years ago. Oh, yeah. I mean, big time like Tom the whole time had to like remind all of us like he wouldn't let them make him be a traitor because of his past. And it was like, dude, that has, what are you even talking about? It's just, I guess I went in there like just playing the game of whatever people are going to play the game with, you know, I didn't think about people's characters or who they were years ago.

So it's super annoying, especially. When your fictional character is getting brought up like it's not even like oh so you were like this on total divas and total ballas it was straight up like when you were here. With the written script like how you would scream at people this is how she must be and she's hiding it you know. Did you practice or was your speech kind of off the cuff? I feel like it was so good. It hit the nail I mean just being like maybe I shouldn't come after people's personality You know if you don't know them and then you're like I'm ready to get home to my kid Yeah, thank you know that was like just off the cusp cuz what was crazy about that day I had no idea everyone was talking behind my back. Like I had no idea. No one came to you? It was already a struggle for me

because that was as you girls would know, it was day two of my period and my period was insanely bad. Like I, during the game, you can't even see the producer to my left. Maybe that's what Rochelle picked up on. A little PMS, yeah. My sister that I go, Brie goes,

so maybe your energy was up. I go, well, yeah, but they knew. Like I can't, I can't sleep in bed that day. Like I was cramping hard and I did miss my son, but like, you know, it was like whatever. And Rob like was just there all the time. And I was like, dude, I can't, this is just a lot today. This should have been an off day. But so maybe that was the time. And I was like, dude, I can't, this is just a lot today. This should have been an off day. But so

maybe that was the energy. Maybe that's understandable. I was on my period. Yeah. But it was literally right before we're going in. Well, before they make us be quiet before we go in is when I someone told me I can't remember who but was like, they're coming after you in this remember who, but it was like, they're coming after you in this round table, and I was like, wait, why? Wait, didn't we just end this the past week, which was actually the night before?

And so I was fully blindsided, had no time to prep, had no time to change people's minds before, so the out was just what I felt. I'm curious, because Wells had mentioned that some of the, I don't know if they're all like an hour, hour and a half, but they're clearly much longer than we get to see. Was the whole time spent at the round table, like people like telling you why you're a trader,

or was there anyone else like brought up in that conversation that we didn't get to see? That, I think that night was just me. Okay. Wow. Fully, was just me. Wow. Fully just me. At least you got Dylan, he was your hero, even though it didn't save you or anything,

but he seems to be playing this really well, because for him to be right about you, everyone else was voting against you, and he wanted to take a stand to say, the group isn't thinking right, I really don't think you and he wanted to take a stand to say like the group isn't thinking right I really don't think you and Sierra aren't traders he ended up being right about that and it's just like I really think that gives very faithful vibes because I think when you see like what's clear at

traders right like it's in it's it's to your advantage to go with the group right if someone's name is getting thrown out there you might as well vote at Traders, right? Like, it's to your advantage to go with the group, right? If someone's name's getting thrown out there, you might as well vote them off, because at least it's not you. And Dylan had the balls to say, you know what, I'm not gonna vote for Nikki or Sierra, because I just don't think it's them,

and it's almost, he wanted to speak to the Faithfuls out there. And I think every time he does something like that, and he gets it right, it makes him look more faithful and I think it protects him against the traders because if he goes out, then it's almost like, oh, you know, it puts a scent on the traders. I don't know. How do you see Dylan doing or, you know, is he doing as well as I think he is? No, totally. Dylan was such a stud the whole time. And I connected really well with him off the bat.

Super cool guy, super smart, and he plays the game really well. And I think that's what bothered him, because obviously, you don't get to see everything. So I was really on to Danielle and just watching other seasons, because I was actually a fan of the show before the offer came in. When you're so convinced someone's a traitor, it's like you almost don't want to point them

out yet till you get other people on board because they're just going to murder you that night. So like what happened to Jeremy our season. So Dylan and I would have really great conversations. And I think, I mean, I feel like he reminds me of Peter from last season, but he's really, just really great. And he has balls too, I feel like he reminds me of Peter from last season, but he's really, just really great. And he has balls too, which I like. Like he, he's just, he's really great at this game.

And I just see this season watching it now, now I get why it felt like chaotic when we were there because I feel like the traders are so messy. Usually traders go in and they're all like, they have a plan, right? Now I know why it was so chaotic before we'd go into those roundtables. Like you would literally be like, okay, I have my person I'm going to put. And then literally 10 minutes before everyone's running around saying this or

that, and you're like, wait, what? And then you get in your head and I feel like it's kind of shown this season and why everyone votes for the same person. Cause they are like, have their person before they go in and then they get rocked a bit. So then everyone follows each other except Dylan. Dylan sticks to what he wants, but like everyone else. That's why when you see, I feel like every round table,

it's like, okay, everyone's voting for who? Like, where are we going? You know what I mean? Yeah, I know. Definitely, I definitely know what you mean. And it seems like that's definitely what's going on. Are there any like people we're overlooking that you think are playing the game really well or you feel like will continue to pop as the season moves along? Yeah, I think Gabby, she just needs to start speaking up. But I think Gabby is doing a great job. Like she it's like,

she just needs to trust her gut and her instincts, cause it's there for her. And so I think she'll start to shine. I'm curious to see how she's next week with me being gone, because we were so buddy-buddy, even more so than Grachelle. Like Gabby and I were together all the time. Like we couldn't wait to get our glass of wine at the end of the night, cause we only get one.

And like, we just hung out the whole time. But you only got one glass of wine at the end of the night, cause we only get one and like, we just hung out the whole time. But you only got one glass of wine a day? Yeah. And there was like some nights where it was just too late and Gavin and I were like, wait, no, but like we, you all promise, you'll get one glass of wine, so please. After our day to day. Like not even two?

No. And those days are like 12 hours sometimes longer. When you get stuck in a coffin, it's insane. Yeah, how long were you in that coffin for? Had to be almost two hours. Oh my God. So we- Like with no break, no like, hey, if you want to cough, I'll go back.

It's breezy. So you have to wait for everyone to go, like leave. Then you have to wait for then the traders, like leave, then you have to wait for then the traders to make the decision, then the traders to come kill, and then for the traders to leave till we were allowed out of our coffin. And then they let Sierra and I out and Jeremy was still in there. And I was so upset about it because well, Jeremy and I clicked and he like little did we know we are talking too much in front of Bob who was a trader.

Yeah. So he had to be there for a really long time. It was a rough, rough night. What have you had to pee? Couldn't cause you didn't see anyone. Like, and then not only that, then you go to green screens after. So you're like, you're hitting up your green screens at like one AM. Like just, it was rough.

The whole thing was rough and I'm so not a gamer. I like, I just, I loved the experience, but I was like, I came home and I told Bri and I go, yeah, I'm not a gamer at all. It's not fit for me or my personality. Do you think, uh, Boston Rob's going home soon? Do you think they're onto him? I think he's becoming too obvious. Honestly, I feel like all the traders are so obvious. Do you think boss and Rob's going home soon? Do you think they're onto him? I think he's becoming too obvious.

Honestly, I feel like all the traders are so obvious. I wish I have it in my book. Every night I would write down Carolyn and Danielle. I'm so mad at myself for not just on my out when I was leaving, I wouldn't be like, oh, and everyone look at these two because it's so obvious. I caught them talking all the time by themselves, like in a way that didn't seem like

when you would walk in on like Gabby Krishan, like just laughing and like having fun. Like they're seem like they were scheming. Sure. And now I think Rob, I think after the Bob thing, people were a little like, hmm. And then I feel like now he's just getting a little too obvious.

And there's definitely no unity with the traders like at all. I mean, at all. Like it's crazy. I think it's what's made it so confusing for the faithfuls because usually the traders like they're just, you know, they're a group. They're their own alliance.

What'll be interesting, you know, I don't know if they're gonna do it, but last season they brought in a housewife who became a trader, and then they had an opportunity to recruit a trader. I'm really curious, who's gonna be recruited, whether they say yes or not? Will they be bringing in more people? They have to do some of the traders,

because this, yeah, they're, it seems like a weak group of traders. I mean, like, Boston Robb's very good, but he's had to almost do too much, and like you said, kind of shine too much of a light on themselves, and the other two are just. But even piggybacking off of that,

where I'm like, how do you think that Danielle is sliding under the radar so much, because I feel like she was so obvious during that last challenge? I don't know, because this is what's weird. Everyone was talking about it. Like, even from the day of us being on the boats, like people were like, like I just remember saying like those that crying didn't seem real. But then a lot of people were hooked that Dorinda was a traitor. So I think it made people forget and then Dorinda got murdered. But I would hear people talk about Danielle like almost every day. And for some reason, so maybe I don't know if this

makes them great, it would get so chaotic the 10 minutes before that people would be going in fighting like Sierra and I just, it just got pinned on us. So then we'd argue. Um, and everyone kept like forgetting about her, like even after when she gave her shield up. Yeah. Yeah. There's more people being like, oh my gosh Danielle. And then I'm like, but how has no one brought her up?

I don't think she's been named once at the round table. No. Like if she hasn't been like one person. Yeah, it makes me look like idiots. The only thing that makes sense, and you said this, Nikki, like for example, if Dylan thought Danielle was a traitor, I don't think he actually even thinks Gabby's a traitor.

You know, I think he said Gabby is like a throwaway because he didn't wanna say Nikki in Sierra. But if he were to say Danielle, like if Dylan suspected Danielle, he's not gonna say Danielle just to like make a point because then all of a sudden there's a target on his back. Like Nikki said, it's like if you're gonna go after someone you really think is a traitor,

you have to have the numbers. You know, they keep saying that. Like if you're gonna go after someone this big, you really gotta take them down because otherwise you're kind of fucked. So, yeah, maybe they kind of suspect and they're just kind of, you know. She was just so obvious, like literally did not

grab her photo once for the shield. And it's just like she was shaking after. Yeah. You're not afraid to get murdered. And then she's like, oh, shit. Honestly, and like, I love how Dolores was like, oh, this is getting like, like, like, she was like, don't save me. I love the housewives. I was so sad when they kept getting murdered

because I'm like, no, you guys, I'm getting like front row entertainment, please. Yes. No, it's like, and again, it's not meant to be, like, I just don't think, I mean, maybe, is it maybe because Phaedra was, and obviously Phaedra was like an assassin, like Phaedra was, she was a dirty traitor.

She was in the best possible way. But yeah, I don't know, like, again, Aion, like, Phaedra was, she was a dirty traitor. She was in the best possible way. But yeah, I don't know. Like again, Aion, what, really? Dorinda, come on. Like we're not thinking with our heads here. No. Like it didn't make any sense. I just feel like maybe this, since the US version is,

you know, celebrity TV personalities, whatever season, maybe it does need to be a bit more produced. I feel bad saying that, because they don't produce at all. They don't have any interference, which is really cool, but then it's like there's some characters you want to stick around.

So, I don't know. I mean, that would ruin the game, but. Nikki, always great chatting with you. So sorry you got voted off. We think you got the shaft, but glad you got to get back to your beautiful baby and rooting for you. And anything you wanna plug?

Well, goodness, I mean, I have my show, the Nikki and Bree show that's on Series XM, and I think that's it. Do you think Bree will do Traders? Okay, so she was supposed to do season two, and she said no, cause she was like, if they bury me alive, I don't think so. And I'm like, girl, you missed out.

But after like seeing the few round tables, even though Brie would eat people alive, like see, I'm always the calm and cool one. But when you like go at it with Brie, Brie knows how to run her mouth. Like she's amazing at it. So jump from the top rope. No, Bri. So even like the Bella army has totally been going crazy on social and saying like Bri should have tagged in and like took care of shit. She would have, but I'm like Bri, you should really

do it next season. But she's like, no, it's, she feels like gaming, the gaming stuff isn't for her. Like when she heard my story, she's like, yeah, I just don't think so. I think she'd be good. I think she'd be good. Nikki, thank you for taking the time. Yeah, definitely. All right, talk later. Bye.

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I'm enjoying it a lot. It gets better and better. Like, you know, last season we really loved it, but it's really, we really, you know, look forward to it. Some of the shows we cover, it's more heavy lifting than others, you know, like Rony, which I know some of you guys watched. It was good. It was a good one.

Did it live up to everyone's hype? All I gotta say is we rebooted Roni to just have another dark ending test season. Like it was just a very dark, heavy episode of stuff you think nobody would cross the line to do. It's just upsetting. I've seen clips and it's something to do with Uba and Brynn and yeah, what happens?

Do you wanna, Sierra, you wanna? I can go at it and then Sierra, you can fill in the dots if you want to. Absolutely. So basically, Uba kind of just made like a one-off conversation and the Sprinter Van being like, well, maybe Brynn did sleep with someone to get her job. There's tension at a dinner, right?

And Brynn's kind of poking at Uba and they're snapping back kind of, but just like not actual real conflict. As they're walking out to the Sprinter van and they get in, things are getting a little bit heightened. And then that's when Uba is like- Makes that comment. But then Brynn basically was like saying,

you told me to put a dick in my mouth. You told me to put a dick in my mouth. So she keeps repeating that. And Uba's like, I never said that. Like that's like, I'm sorry, but I never said that. Eventually the women are start being like, Uba don't- It is a common like shit talking phrase people say. Yeah.

Well. Yeah. No? No, I mean, she still never said it. Like, suck a dick maybe. Yeah, that's it. I mean, Uba still never said it. And then the women of the group started saying, like, stop, like,

calling her a whore and like slut shaming her. And basically, Brynn brings half the group aside and alleges that Uba knew that Brynn was assaulted and that she's then still decided to slut shame her. Yeah, yes. She's using very strong words, she's not filtered, she's saying what happened. And now these women are like, why would Uba do this? Like, why would she do this?

But they're not telling Uba. They stopped rolling. And you've got like all the women super emotional now and like Jenna Lyons is crying, just being like, be nice to Brin because like, this is the first time that some of these housewives are hearing about this assault. And Erin, Erin. Like shit got real and.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. They're trying to protect Brynn. Meanwhile, Erin is like, guys, why are we crying, what happened? And the women are like, that's not our story to tell. This is something very serious. Basically, they stopped rolling that night. They're starting to take mics off.

Jessel goes into Uba's room and she's like, hey, I just wanna check in with you. Brynn told us that she told you you were assaulted. Why would you be like saying these things to her? Who knows nothing about this? So she basically is like, starts like freaking out. She's like crying in the corner. She's like, like guttural, guttural. First she's crying. She's like curled up in the corner. Like, why would she say this about me? Like, why would I, I don't remember this happening. Like, I would have never said this if I knew this. Then she turns into basically going out there and she's like talking to producers.

And like the group being like, you guys let her say this on camera? Like, she's starting this thing that did not happen. I swear this did not happen. She goes into a room with Jenna and Raquel and she's like beside herself, but we don't see it, the door is closed. And Raquel's retelling it being like,

no, like, Ube's and Jenna's face being like, you believe her, you believe that I would do something like this and that she's, you know, from her faith and everything, she was like, may Allah strike me down and kill my first born if I did this. I did not do this. She's crying. She said, this is between God, me and Bren. And she's like, I did not do it. Well, she hasn't had it yet. But my whole thing is that it's like she leaves the room and whatnot, she's upset and screaming, continue. So basically she's out there, she's asking the woman, she's also asking Brynn like, why would you say this?

Producers, why would you let her say this on camera? All the women are like, we don't know what's going on. Everybody's screaming, we don't wanna invalidate Brynn, but at the same time, like, Uba looks like she's like so caught off guard. Producers are involved. I've seen those clips of Uba just losing her mom. Uba leaves, she goes to a hotel with Jessel,

and basically, I mean, this is me kind of shortening it a little bit, but Brynn comes into the room later that night after multiple other conversations, and she's like, come to think of it, maybe Luba didn't clock that I told her that I was assaulted. She's like, so maybe that did not happen. So then instantly all of the women are like, I don't want to invalidate you, but you're telling me

that you might be lying in this moment. Yeah. Like to be clear, not lying about. The assault. The assault, but lying about. And like the whole thing was about the fact of all these women getting up against Uba and the fact that like you would say something knowing this piece of information. And then for Brynn to wait till after cameras are down, everything and be like,

whoops, maybe she didn't clock it. Cause I was hysterical when I was having this conversation with her, but very much laid down the fact that like Uba was the only person that she told this to. So that's why all the women are like, she would know this and say this still to you. So they're looking at Uba differently. And then after Brynn confesses that like there might be a shot that Uba didn't clock it, now they're looking at Brynn differently because they're like, how could you let this play out and not say anything and be so definitive that Uber knew? So Brynn leaves early. And it was also kind of bizarre because the next morning Brynn's completely fine about it. And she's sitting like nothing happened.

She texted producers asking to leave the next day. And then she's sitting with producers the next morning being like, yeah, you know, I'm just kind of like, I move on. Like I could, we could go horseback riding today. Yeah. Which could be a form of coping. Jenna said that's what makes sense. And then production just shut it down. They were like, no, we're done. Everybody's going home after this.

Is there a reunion? Yes, there is. But in between that, basically the women, they brought UBA back and they're like, we believe you, by the way, like we believe you didn't know. That being said, we think Brynn's going through a lot. They shoot the title cards like four days later. Well, before that, even then, something about Uba's character, like, yes, she might. She English is her second language. So when she gets frustrated, it's for multiple reasons.

But like just showing to Uba's integrity, like she still asked after the fact. She was like, I just want to make sure like, is Brynn OK? So she was still even after everything, just wanted to make sure that Brynn was OK after Brynn acknowledged or apologize. Because like, you know, again, whatever Brynn went okay after everything. And did Brynn acknowledge or apologize? Because like, I don't know, again, whatever Brynn went through, obviously some heavy shit. Brynn did a Rolling Stone.

And before the Rolling Stones, she- She didn't apologize to Ubo? No. No, the opposite of what she did was they shot title cards like four days later where they hold the apples up and nobody really like addressed it. And like Ubo wasn't talking to her and Brynn, the way of her, Brynn's response was,

why does nobody not care about me? Why is nobody checking in on me and asking me about that night after she was like, we're good? So it's a lot of back and forth, and then to Mary's point, she did a Rolling Stones article that released when the finale dropped

that was answering the questions of- PR for Brynn. Yeah. Kind of like doubling down, but still not taking accountability, but claiming that she's good with four of the housewives and that she still has work to do with Sai, Uba and Jessel, I believe. But it's like, Erin commented on a reposting of this being like saying that we're

sisters is a reach. Like I was hoping that Brynn would take accountability as she has a lot of childhood trauma that she needs to work through. But like, pretty much saying the fact that you're not taking accountability, like do not include me into your shit until you take accountability. She has a lot of childhood trauma that she needs to work through. But pretty much saying the fact that you're not taking accountability, do not include me into your shit until you take accountability for it. Yeah. And then I also think some context around Brynn spinning things throughout the entire season is that Brynn's previous employment was doing PR for companies such as Shell Oil, Johnson & Johnson, Unilever, and most popularly, quote, working on the BP Deepwater Horizon Gulf oil spill. Okay. She operates in a dark world.

Yeah. Well, then another caveat is that, so when they did the first season of this reboot cast, there was another housewife that was filming and she was like, they've done photos, they were teasing her to be one of them. And then she dropped out during filming and nobody ever knew like what happened. They were just like, she just pulled herself from being part of the cast. She spoke out when this finale aired and she was like, Brynn's the reason I didn't do it. Cause Brynn starts rumors that harm people's reputations intentionally.

And it's like complicated because obviously Brynn has a lot of trauma and had an awful thing happen to her. But then it's like, it's just this dark and messy and upsetting situation for a Rony season that, and the beginning was just boring and then finally gets dramatic and it's in like- Not even dramatic, toxic. Toxic, like awful.

In the darkest way. I think I might watch reading in part one though. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Cause there's stuff being brought up, I guess Jessel confronts Brynn about a conversation where Brynn implied that Jessel is in love with somebody else that's not her husband

and it was set on camera. Jenna tells Brynn to stop spinning and to just stop talking. Like it's gonna be eventful to say the least. Jenna's wearing a luxury bathrobe to the reunion. You know who's never gonna do Housewives? Heidi Montag. Yeah.

According to her husband Spencer, which I don't blame her because what I've learned covering Housewives, to operate in that world, you have to be okay with people just like saying the craziest fucking rumors about you and your family. You have to think it's normal that people you're working with have personal investigators and teams and forensic scientists at their beck and call.

That's something you might've done 10 years ago that you didn't think would ever come up, might. Relationships with your jewelers. Oh my God. Wow. We'll get into that in a second. But we do have Heidi and Spencer finally on Thursday's episode of Reality Recap. We'll get to talk to them about that comment about housewives

and all the crazy things going on in their world. Obviously for those of you who don't know and I don't know who wouldn't, but sadly their house is one of the many houses that burned down during the tragic fires. Obviously they have been responding in the best possible way that they can. Heidi is now an international rock pop star, as she always has been, but she's finally getting the recognition that she deserves, and we'll be able to talk to that couple

as they come together during the tragedy and create some beautiful music. That's Thursday. Wrapping up headlines real fast, RealityTV. So James Kennedy is not facing charges now. We know this. Ali Luber did post, finally finally in response to the arrest. Ali's response in an Instagram story.

She writes, thank you for all your support and kindness. I am happy that prosecutors decided not to file against James as I never desired criminal charges. We had an argument outside of his house related to him drinking again. However, I was not physically hurt. I was shocked by the headlines and disheartened by how the event was portrayed. We are no longer together, but I'll always support James and wish him the best with his sobriety and healing. Thank you for understanding." If anyone asking, this hasn't changed my opinion about Ike Kennedy, not one bit.

My heart goes out to Allie. I hope she's okay. I hope she is living her best life. I think it's interesting in her statement that she pointed out that she wasn't hurt and she made with no mention of the actual allegation that she was picked up and thrown against the room. She really just referenced that she didn't sustain any injuries from said alleged incident. But regardless of what happened there, ever since that arrest of James Kennedy, obviously we had talked about there had been kind of, you know, stories here and little stories there that a lot of us didn't know much about unless maybe you were like, you know, part of that OG world for a long time. But since then, we have looked into it.

We've had many conversations with our friend of show, Kristen Doty, and I will say, I absolutely believe Kristen. She's been very vocal about her actions with James. And so regardless of whatever happened with Ali, it hasn't been changed my opinion about James and the history he has with violence towards women. So like, I hope he gets sober, but again, I have yet to hear anything from James's mouth

about the real problem, which is why he has a history of being physical and violent with women. Yeah. Salt Lake City reunion. All right, Salt Lake City part one. From benchwarming bitch to first chair. First of all. Yes, Angie.

Lisa's not a friend at all to anyone. Like I don't know how anyone calls Lisa a friend. Like Heather this season, Heather talks about how she's really infesting in this friendship with Lisa. Lisa is a friend to nobody. Like Lisa might be a cool hang, she might hook you up, she might do you a favor if it benefits her in the long run. But like at the end of the day, being a friend is to at times,

at some point in the relationship, to think outside of your own needs, to be selfless, and just be there for someone who needs a friend. I've literally never seen that from Lisa Barlow ever. It was crazy that she couldn't at all give any like, I fucked up, I'm sorry with the whole Bronwyn Gwyn mentioning the miscarriage on the after show. It was like no part of her could see it.

And then Meredith being like, that's why she's crying is because she's sad. It's like, no, I think she's crying because like no one is agreeing with her. You know, it's like. She's crying because she doesn't know what to say and she doesn't have one of her classic clap backs to like get her out of the trouble

that she's in, but yeah, what a terribly fucked up thing to insert yourself in. It was so wild too, because it's like I've never watched somebody be able to find a way to turn themselves into the victim the entire time where it was just like, well, how do you think I feel or I know them to be this? And it's like, again, you can have that experience, but you're not acknowledging who you claim to

have been friends with. You're not acknowledging your friend's experience as to how you made her feel. And instead it's always a counterback with, yeah, but I. And how do you think putting me being put in this position is? And it's just like, you inserted yourself into that position. And then the whole conversation about a jeweler, we had a front row seat because we watched this episode

with Nellie's mom, for those of you who don't know, Nellie's mom had an those of you who don't know, Nellie's mom had an illustrious career working at a jewelry company and being a very successful sales person at a jewelry store. I always knew she was a gem. And we're watching it, Nellie's mom is in the background, she's like, that's the most unprofessional jeweler,

that she's like, that's the cardinal rule, you do not talk about your clients to other people. That's like the biggest no-no according to her. And then like Lisa's out there and like, I don't know, was it Whitney or all the other housewives were like, Lisa's claiming to like not really know this person, not really have a conversation with her. But then, I mean, Emma.

My mom took this rule so far. I remember we'd be in the grocery store and she would see like one of her clients. Truly, she'd see one of her clients and she would like not say anything because it's like, oh, what if the woman they're with is their wife and they don't know that they just bought a necklace or a ring or it's like,

they don't know that they're shopping indoors. Like you cannot approach anyone that you know, because you don't know what's going on in their personal. You know, it was like, she took it so serious. So the fact that like this, end quotes, jeweler was texting Lisa being like, she didn't even buy that. She's like, I mean, I wish Andy would have read

some of those messages, the fact that he was like, yeah, it's not very good. I will say it also kind of doesn't make sense. Like I think Lisa and Emma, this friend, because Bronwyn also went on Watch What Happens Live and like talked about it, but, like, the details she was saying didn't also add up to the reunion where, like, she basically said that her friend, or the jeweler, was reached out to by a reporter so that we can

assume that might be Lisa, that might not be Lisa. And basically she said, we bought the necklace, but then given this economic environment or climate, we decided not to go forward with the necklace, so we got like a smaller one made, but then it became like we were having the smaller one made, but then like we found out about her talking to Lisa, so then we decided not to buy it. But then in the reunion, she's like, but we did buy it. So it's kind of like, what's the truth

with the necklace to begin with? Brawn's story definitely does not make sense. I'll give you that for sure. But whatever, I don't like. At the end of the day. She bought it, she didn't buy it. I don't know, who gives a fuck. Yeah, maybe if the worst thing Todd and Brawn were doing

were flexing in front of her friends, then yeah, I don't know, little douchey, sure, if that's what happened. But like again, this is about Lisa again, like just flat out lying and making up stories and like just leveraging people and then going out of her way to like spy on people, get tea, get dirt. Which she claims she never does.

Yeah, which she claims she never does. Like she blackmails people, like you know, and this is all to protect her image and her brand. Well, never. Even when it's talking about like falsely making you know, making accusations about fake miscarriages, she still can't humble herself to apologize. Even when she brought up the daughter thing and whatnot, where she was just like, even if you hate me, if you're not friends with me,

can you at least apologize for doing that to my daughter? And she's like, well, that's a lie. And it's just like. Like she is just so unable to like remove herself from her own point of view in any sort of way. I'm just more shocked why Meredith and Heather ride for Lisa so hard. I don't like what am I missing? I like to think she's a good friend until like you come in her way. That's not being a good friend though. I like to think that

Meredith rides less for Lisa and Lisa rides for Meredith and that's why Meredith keeps Lisa around. Maybe. Well Heather Heather, I don't know Heather's reason. Heather's reason only because like, was it Bronwyn who brought up like going to high school with Heather or Heather was kind of always obsessed with? Angie. Angie. Angie. Heather was like always obsessed with being like friends

with the popular girls. Well, yeah, and I mean, Heather. She's the popular girl. Heather also went to college with Lisa BYU. Lisa said she was the good time girl. That was like a whole thing too. So I mean, I think Lisa's the popular girl and she's a socialite. So I think people want to surround themselves with her surrounding.

Yeah. But I will say Todd did, and I kind of wish Todd didn't reference the like blow jobs rumor, like rumors surrounding Lisa too. Or he was like, she uses you for the jazz suite, so she doesn't have to work for it herself. And I'm like, yeah, that was probably not great. Wish we didn't go there. But yeah.

But then he also said that what Lisa did on the after show was quote libelous. So that's, I mean, he just said that. So it's definitely a strong word to use. And Bronwyn also said, this is really dastardly of her, which is an incredible word to use. What does that mean? Like dastardly, it's just like. Vile.

Vile. Wicked and cruel. Dastard. I don't know. It's a very Bronwyn word to use and What does that mean? Like dastardly, it's just like. Vile. Vile. Wicked and cruel. Dastard. I don't know. It's a very Bronwyn word to use and I enjoyed it. Meredith did call Angie the backup dancer in the WAP video. The most offensive thing that you can call Angie, I guess. I liked you better when you were a backup dancer

with Monica and Jensha's WAP video. And then Angie goes, I was a main character in the video. I wasn't the dancer, but I was a main character. I am nobody's backup dancer. I mean, this was obviously a stupid argument, but like- Angie acknowledged it was stupid too, by the way. Yeah. Like after the fact.

And Angie's not upset about actually being called a backup dancer. I think she's saying that there's more context to it as if like Meredith is calling her a follower. Yeah. Like saying you're the backup dancer. Like that's what she thinks the- Yeah, I think I was team Angie there too,

because while stupid, you're right. My understanding is, Mary, this is using it as a dig. 100%. And saying, you're less than because you did this. And even after Angie's like, no, I'm not, Meredith was like, well, you were the backup dancer. Were you not in the background of the video? It's like, well, yes.

Meredith did claim that she was trying to get on the show every single season on our podcast too, so. And then Angie was on, I did hear an interview with Angie where she had said that she auditioned originally for the show, but didn't fully realize that. She thought it was more of like a business opportunity. So she kind of like went in as business woman Angie versus housewife Angie.

And so she didn't get it the first time. Andwife Angie. And so she didn't get it the first time. And that's why she said she didn't get it the first time and it went to somebody else. Are we faulting her for trying? Not at all. No. Oh, I love Angie. I think it just is interesting context

in the iconic feud that is Angie and Meredith. And to be fair, she earned her snowflake getting a flute of champagne dumped over her head by Jen Shaw. That she did. San Diego. She's also my mom's favorite. I think it's fucked up that Britney isn't just part

of the reunion period. I just. Well she's a friend. I don't give a fuck. She carried the season. Nick, she can't sit on the couch though because Andy's gonna ask like five questions. She's gonna be like, what about me?

Yeah. What about my turn? And I wanna hear it every time. Also, logistically speaking, friends don't sit on the whole time, I don't think. No, they don't. I know they don't, but again, like... I think, do you think she'll be made Housewife next season?

I mean, you said everyone's coming back. As of now, we know that she's a friend still. And she also was, she's hired by the Realty company that sold on SLC. So who knows if she's doing like a two season. I mean, I am in no way a historian of Bravo, but like how many friends of Shows carried the storyline as much as Brittany did?

I know Alexis Bellino recently, but that's a very specific like lawsuit case. She was brought on as a friend because of the lawsuit where they're like, yeah, Brittany, like let's see what she's capable of. And she delivered. Sunstruck when she was a friend of Litter. I was gonna say, sometimes it takes a couple seasons though

because they wanna make sure like lightning will hit twice. Like, you know what I mean? Maybe you put all your best foot forward and then you next season you're boring. If there's any housewife I would bet on, it's Brittany. Because I can tell you, lightning is gonna strike a million times because it's complete lack of self-awareness

and it's like, it's in her bones who she is. She's a performer. To her point, I think she needs to be full-time so we know her full character so she doesn't look so like coming out of the woodworks with what about me? Because clearly she has like family issues, drama, like trauma.

The only problem with Brittany being full-time is that would be more Jared. They are official now. So I want more Jared. I don't. No, I'm hearing the preview of what he texted Bronwyn, him saying that he's bigger than any man she's ever been. Like, what a fucking fat piece of shit.

We obviously, I've been critical of Lisa Barlow's character, but her character on TV is must-see TV. Oh, she's incredible. I don't want Lisa Barlow to leave Housewives. I guess I'm more so just like, I don't need the man. If you're gonna have a toxic person, yeah. I don't need Jared's nasty like comments towards women, you know, like I could do without.

And stay out of Mary Cosby's DMs. Yeah. But we don't need, I mean, like Jared, I don't know, like he can have as much of a role as any of the husbands, which is not that much. Listen, I say if you're spicing up the storyline. Does he come to, he doesn't come to the union. I would assume that they weren't official by then.

The post came after they shot, so. Do we feel like we have clarity now with the Whitney Alibaba of it all? I feel like she gave, she made me see her more guilty because I was like, I thought they stole your pictures. Now you're saying you did use the stock footage for a little bit. My understanding of this world is like

what Whitney was accused of is something that they all do. Also, I am very glad that Andy was like, Lisa, you realize that like this one blogger's 10,000 followers versus our platform. Like he finally called her out for being like, just because it's on one Instagram post and you bring, it doesn't like, equate to it being this rumor that everyone knows about

and that you need to bring to national television. Yeah, Lisa will call her people, she'll go the distance, she'll create a fake account, tweet something and go, oh, look, this rumor's public, I'm gonna talk about it. Yeah. Do you think Lisa DMs Meredith? Like that's the power dynamic there. Because Meredith is a queen of DMs,

Lisa's the one of just knowing things that are happening. People just tell me things I don't ask. I wouldn't put it past them. Should we get onto Southern Charm? I was triggered by this episode. Of Southern Charm? In defense of Taylor. I'm actually kind of getting into it.

Okay. Because I hate JT so much. Right. JT's crazy. I don't, I like him. JT was the fucking loser fucking guy in high school who became friends with all the girls and just talked shit about all the guys

who were actually dating the girls and make up rumors and like nothing. And it was just, he doesn't, he's not being Taylor's friend, he's fucking gossiping. And listen, you know, if there's an affair going on behind someone's back and it's still going on and you talk to your friend, like, hey, you need to stop doing it, they don't do it,

like, you might be forced to have a tough conversation with a friend to let them know, hey, some shit's going down, yada, yada, yada. But like, this story is in the fucking past. Like, no one's really a part of it. He brings it up out of nowhere. And like, it's also these vague accusations about a guy where, and then he throws Sally under the fucking bus

and make it seem like she's like some adult or her, which like my understanding of the story is like, it sounds like maybe he had a girlfriend, they made up, they quickly broke up afterwards, I'm not condoning it, I'm not saying it's okay, like he made an accusation of like some ongoing affair. Yeah, and JT was not there. And also don't forget the fact that last season, JT was trying to get with Taylor.

So it's like you telling this stuff about the boyfriend doesn't give altruism, it's giving, well, if you're single again, just know I'm the shoulder to cry on. You're right. I hate JT now. You're just a smarty fucking troublemaker. And I didn't appreciate Shep's two cents of being like,

this one's fucking ugly, whyep's two cents of being like, guys, this one's fucking ugly. Why is anyone even trying to be like, he's, it's like, okay, Shep, you clearly are still in love with Taylor and you're just trying to like shoot down, I mean. Sure, but at least, was it a douchey move by Shep? Sure, but I at least understand the motives and it's less like, you know, it's his ex-girlfriend.

He could be a little petty, fine. But like JT, no. Like, you're just, no one asked you, you're not involved. Like, you're just fucking with this girl's mental health. No, you're fucking with two women's mental health, and you're throwing a guy under the bus, which is like, I don't know, maybe he did some shit. This wasn't like, again, not condoning if he made out with Sally when he shouldn't have made out with it,

but I don't know, maybe he's done some work. I don't know. Like, the accusations JT is throwing around about Taylor's boyfriend, like all the guys on the show have done some version of this kind of fuckboy, he's describing fuckboy behavior. And like most fuckboys grow out of this behavior and settle down and like start acting like a person who actually wants to settle down. And for all we know, that's Taylor's boyfriend. And I couldn't love Craig more because Craig was literally just like, you're doing it again. This is none of your business.

Why are you making this the topic of a conversation? And why do you feel the right to be angry about it? It didn't happen to you. Yeah. I really like Craig. I really love his back, his set up props. Craig, your set up situation, props, love. I love that he's just like in family man mode. It really love his back, his set up. Props, Craig, your set up situation, props, love.

I love that he's just like in family man mode. It really, you know, listen, Paige and him didn't work out. It sounds like, you know, they just weren't, they weren't meant to be. They wanted, clearly they wanted different things. I mean, Paige is all about independence, not wanting to settle down. Like, it's-

She's grinding, she's in her career mode. She's grinding, she's in her career mode. She's a New Yorker, through and through. She's a New Yorker. Like, the more you hear them both talk about what they want, the more it makes sense that they ended their relationship. But I hope Craig finds his lady. He seems like he wants to be a good husband.

Sally's saying she sucked dick for a little bit. A little bit. That was a great line. Awesome line, Sally. That was pretty awesome. Not long. And everybody's like, what does that mean? First of all, what do you mean?

What does that mean? Sucked it a little like, what do you mean? What does that mean? She sucked a little dick. And then wrapped it up. Was everyone doing the marathon blow jobs? Or everyone's confused by she sucked dick for a little bit? I don't know. Well, in my head, it's like, well, you probably did more than that, so you're just downplaying it by making it like, there's a little bit.

Nah, she was like, it was probably the back of an ally. She's like, I don't know. She's like, licked it off a little bit. She's like, you know what, let's just fuck. She said just the tip. She did say like, in the car or like by the car, right? It was something, I might've missed her the details, but. But yeah, maybe they were in an environment where like honestly foreplay was just like not the time.

And she was like, what am I doing down here? She said only for a little bit. Yeah. I'm wasting time down here. Why is everyone so confused by that? And then the Vanita romance with JT, I'm also just like, it's so orchestrated and I love Vanita, but like.

Yeah, we also say your party sucks if not only multiple people are leaving in a huff, but like the actual party thrower, the host of the party is also leaving his own party. I think she's faking interest in JT just to have a storyline. I just hate that Taylor, like her boyfriend keeps getting thrown under,

like he's not on this show, you know, like we see him in tiny little glimpses. We have Sally who's like, was talking shit about him. We had her this episode even being like, he's an easy name to throw under the bus or whatever the hell she's said. But it's just like, I just hate that this person who didn't sign up for the show is like the butt of every joke,, but it's just like, I just hate that this person who didn't sign up

for the show is like the butt of every joke, and is like, everyone's trying to tear him down. It's kind of giving like the end of Vanderpump where it was like, we were spending more time talking about fucking Joe. Joe? Yeah. Oh, Joe, oh my gosh.

Oh my gosh. It's just Joe, yeah. You know? And like, you know, there were all these like, friends of and assistants and all these things, cause like, I know, there were all these like, you know, friends of and assistants and all these things versus, because like, I felt like the cast was just like, you know, too tired of talking shit about each other. They didn't want the interrelationship drama.

So they like brought these other people in and that's kind of giving like, we've run out of story. It's just clear that like, Taylor is finally happy and secure and like good in her life and her relationship and these people want to tear that apart. And I'm just like... Like they wanna hold her to the person that she was last year while she was going through a tough time.

And then also sounds like her boyfriend has a real job and just wants to help her protect her peace when it comes to these people and filming. He's just not, he's not trying to be the star of it. He's not trying to get in drama with everybody. So everyone's like, do you think it's your boyfriend telling you that you're not allowed to come to the party? And I'm like, maybe he just got back into town,

wants to spend time with his girlfriend without cameras around, because he's not on the show. The way I saw it is that this group of cast friends are not friends with Taylor, because in the beginning, Vinita is saying, we all said we don't trust her. It's like, well, so we're just using her to like expose her, make her a storyline.

It's like, but she's just trying to help you. They were friends with her because of Shep and they're loyal to Shep and not Taylor. But it was really nice to see Molly's concert. Yeah, she played me. Molly's great. And her saying she can't play tuba as well because of her lip filler.

It was so cute. It sounded very good. I don't think she get more lip filler, girl. I feel like you got more. Yeah. Or put it in there. Oh my God, that Amish-er, gorge. The angle of her playing the tuba,

I was like, I respect her so much that she was like, sure, put it there, I don't care what I look like. Shout out to band kids in reality TV. You don't get to see too many. Yeah. She might. I did not know that Erika Jayne's son is a cop. Yeah. We've been known. And he's test that Erika Jayne's son is a cop. Yeah. Yep.

We've been knowing. And he's testifying or as a part of this ASAP Rocky trial that we were just talking about last week. He was a cop, we can only assume he's testifying against ASAP Rocky? He was the cop that arrived to the scene first. So that's just his- He's not testifying, I think, against or for,

it's more so just like in accounts of like what he saw when he arrived on scene. But who's calling him to the stand, the prosecution or the defense? I'm guessing the prosecution. I'm sure that I know they both can, but I'm wondering who did. Usually it's the prosecution.

Well, it's just kind of like, we know that Rihanna is like DMing with Housewives. She's a huge Housewife fan. It's just kind of like crazy that one of the more iconic Housewives' son is a cop testifying in her husband's case. And again, he's facing up to like 25 years in prison. that one of the more iconic housewives' son is a cop testifying in her husband's case. And again, he's facing up to like 25 years in prison. This is like, this is not like fucking a jaywalking ticket.

Like- Well, and also what I read too is that he was offered a plea deal that would have ended in six months. Yeah. And I'm assuming you got to assume good behavior, cut that in half. Three.

Yeah, it would have served maybe a month or two. I was gonna- And he was like, fuck that, no, let's go, all the way. I think you need to watch old Erika, like Gerardi, Jane Seans, where she's talking about her son being a cop, because it's entertaining. In what way, Justin?

Like, so there's, what was it, was it Berlin? What was the trip where like, Erika was like, don't ever talk about my son. There's that, which is iconic. Lisa Vanderpump was there. Then we have when Tom Girardi was caught, there was Erica spinning the story of when she found Tom Girardi,

and she was like, he drove down a hill, and then my son came. It was snowing out, my son was a police officer, then he rolled his car six times, and it's just been a really tough time for me. But it was snowing. He rolled his car six times? I remember that, yeah.

But then it was snowing during the summer. Like, there's all these things. It was snowing in Beverly Hills? There's so many details. In the summer? There was a whole long monologue that she gave. It was when she was like, I don't- She's so many details. In the summer? It was a whole long monologue that she gave. She's no Britain when it comes to this thing.

People use it for like the, I don't wanna talk about Tom's car was broken in and he was there. But then also Tom like did raise Erica's son as if it was his son too. So I mean, it's sweet on that part, but. Sure. Very entertaining surrounding the son.

Tom's house was broken in too. He confronted the burglar and then had to go have eye surgery And then my son had to go over and help and then my son he rolled his car five times on the way home It's unclear when she's telling the story it became different people and then there's different details When she was like being cagey with being able to answer things and it was like a conversation with Kyle being like, how are you? And she's just like, yep, this is what I'm doing. And so yeah, I'm saying I'm under a lot of stress. That's such an Erin Brockovich line

is the best part of it. That's how you are two wrong feet and fucking ugly shoes. She could body that role. I did see a headline recently of Cal Richard's new reason why she returned to Beverly Hills. Cause every single week there's a new headline. That's an amazing headline. Her new reason?

What was her first reason? Her first reason was that she, she wasn't that she had been on the show for so long and just needed a break. She was overwhelmed and became depressed so she quit for a week. But then she returned because. Some of these housewives truly cannot apologize.

They are never wrong. Kyle's current reason is that it's because she's known production for so long and it's such a big part of her life that she just like- For the team, the family. For the team and the family, she didn't want to walk away because it's just such a big part of her life. But are these words from Kyle's mouth or is these sources in- No, those are words.

I know that after 14 years of being on this show, production has been family to me and through all my ups and downs, they have been a constant in my life. And and I thought to myself what would I do if all of a sudden that's removed from my life too. Oh she's an empath. She also kind of made a statement about Bose she was like I left that thinking I'm done I don't need friends like this I don't need the money why am I here. Bose seems to really just only see through Dorit's lens everyone because they'd spent time together and Dorit was just coming at me nonstop, and then Sutton and Garcelle, who are my friends, who know who I am, were all of a sudden

back in it with Dorit, which makes no sense because they're always coming for Dorit. And then there I have Erica Jayne, the only one who's standing up for me, even Dorit came out and then Sutton didn't, and I'm like, wow, this is just like bam, bam, bam. It's almost as if you're in the wrong if all your friends disagree with you.

You know? Yeah, just be like, hey, listen, you know, honestly, it wasn't my best moment as your friend, I'm sorry. Like I said, if I were in that shoes, I'd be mad too, so like my bad. Yeah, the thing about Kyle and that conversation with Dorit I can't get over is her being like,

well I never saw that side of PK. It's like okay. And it's like, it's a little victim blame-y on Kyle's part talking about Dorit, where she's like, well I never saw that. Yeah, the not wife of someone is saying, oh, I didn't see a side, even though the one who's married to the man is like, huh?

And again, you're welcome to that opinion, Kyle, but you're clearly not having your alleged friends back. You are choosing sides and you're choosing PKs. And that's fine, she can choose PKs, but like. You gotta deal with the consequences of that. You don't get to be like a good friend well that wraps it up for today's episode of reality recap thank you to our guests Robin and Nikki of traders back on Thursday with a rock star episode we got Heidi and Spencer we got Olivia Holt we'll see you then bye There's a lot of decisions you have to make when you have a baby, and the one that I feel the most comfortable and safe making is using huggies for our daughter River.

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