The Viall Files - E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches

Episode Date: February 4, 2025

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a very scary thing to be vulnerable on the internet and it was a very personal thing to share but I feel like the DMs that I've read, it's been a lot of people sharing their stories with me and I think just really proving my point of like we are not alone and to talk to people who've been through it is incredibly healing. Obviously still going through the motion and feeling all the things, but I do just want to acknowledge everyone who has reached out and I love you guys. Yeah, thank you.

Our daughter's one year old. Yay! We have a full on toddler. Is it one year old they've officially become toddler? They're no longer a baby. What about the kiddos who are just like not there yet, you know, moving at their own pace? They still, but it's like a one year old toddler.

You're no longer a baby. What does toddler mean? We no longer tell your age in months. No? No? I don't know. I don't know, that's just my guess. Great question.

Well, I think actually it's in terms of two. She's 14 months. I think it's like, yeah, 14 months, 18 months. And then it's like when they're two, if you go over 24 months, like you're crazy. You're just kind of a jerk. When do we stop with weeks? I also, weeks.

She's 74 weeks. No, I don't, weeks is like. It's crazy. She's 52 weeks. When she hits a month. Did you know how many weeks are in a year? 52. Perfect.

Uh. A lesson for this morning. You're so smart. That, no, honestly, she handled that party. First of all, I threw that party together in a week. Okay. Good for you. I said I want to do a small party.

I don't want to do anything crazy. I just like, she's not going to remember it, whatever, whatever. Then the closer it got to her birthday, I was like, maybe we should do a little something, you know, feeling a little guilt. It was a lovely guilt. So. It was a lovely party. Natalie did an amazing job and River is so lucky to have Natalie as a mother, truly, and she's great.

And like, I think I'm a great dad. I do, I'm a hands-on father. I'm involved as much as any dad out there. Well, not any, I'm up there. I'm a 1% dad in terms of the involvement, but like, when it comes to this stuff, like really, Natalieally really brings, I lack any type of party planning.

I feel that. Mm-hmm. Like, Jean. He power washed the backyard, hey. On Nally's. And that's what you're there for. On Nally's instructions, though. Yeah.

You know, it wasn't like, I wasn't like, I should. You know what I wanna do today? He's nothing if not for you. Actually, he pushed it off until morning of, so. Which ruffled her feathers for sure. But I will say, I really appreciate Natalie's party planning skills. It brings joy to my life in ways

I never thought I would appreciate. Which would, it would start with our wedding. That's where we'd start? Not at your birthday book launch party? Sure, that too. Yeah, no, yeah, you're right, like your birthday book launch party. Sure. That's yeah. No, yeah That's right. Sorry. No, it's fine I was a bit more expensive All on my budget for you

Don't want it to go overlooked Definitely don't think anyway, but yeah, I just never you know If if i was in charge of planning our wedding we would have had a backyard barbecue 100% You know what I'm saying? With like no barbecue. People would have been like, where's the food? Nick would have been like, fuck.

No, I'd have been like, I'm sorry, I'm getting something. I'll be like, let me run to Gelsen's. I'll cook. I got this. Like that's the intent of it. And Nellie is really good at creating moments for our family, like in memories.

Like, and that's something I never really thought I'd appreciate until Nellie started doing the stuff for our family. like in memories. And that's something I never really thought I'd appreciate until now I started doing the stuff for our family, it's really great. So she created some amazing memories for River. I think it's just I really want to have, I didn't really come from a family of traditions. I mean, I had, I think I've talked about every so often on Christmas morning, my mom would let us pick out

whatever cereal we wanted, but I really can't remember any other stuff. And so it's like for River, I want Nick and I went to Color Me Mine and painted her a little birthday plate that she can use every year on her birthday. We put her little donut on it the morning of. Which for anyone out there,

Nellie had a wonderful idea and it really turned out. Oh my God, we hated each other during that pain in the ass show, I'll be honest. Let me explain why. The attitude swirling in color me mine. I felt so bad because everyone else was on dates and we were like, use the different pink, Nick, come on. Natalie had a vision. All right, let's be clear. And it's a great vision.

It was like, we are going to go to this place and make River her birthday plate, and then until she breaks it, eventually, of course, it will be her birthday plate. At some point, we're gonna have to glue that plate together, without question. I hope you're prepared for that. It's a lovely plate, but now he's like,

let's go paint this together. And I said, great, let's do this together. And we showed up. I came from work, she came from somewhere else, we showed up as two busy parents often do at the place to unite and create their daughter her first birthday plate. And some of you may not know this,

but I have a small, well, I can't party plan. I can draw and I can paint and I have a bit of an artistic thumb, as some might say. It didn't matter because I wasn't part of the vision. And so, Nellie's like, can you draw a cake? And then she, and it was just like, what is that? I don't know. And then I started painting and then she's like,

I don't like that pink. And I don't like it. And I was like, you know what? This is, I'm gonna shut the fuck up and I'm just gonna sit here and watch you paint this plate. And it turned out and it is amazing, but like you can't paint a plate together. Yeah.

You pick your own, like just get two plates and may the best man win. The hunger game with baby plates. This is not something to do together. Well, I think if I- Not if one person has a vision. No, it wasn't like, let's just see what happens. It was like, what the fuck are you doing?

I think if I explained what you did to start that ruined it, then maybe everyone else would agree. It ruined your vision. Yeah, I understand. We started with a cupcake and the cupcake top was completely off center of, it's a round plate. It was not in the center of the round plate.

It was like up to the left a little bit. And my Virgo brain was like, absolutely the fuck not. That's not gonna work. So I said, you know what? Why don't we switch roles and do like, or the fuck not. That's not gonna work. So I said, you know what, why don't we switch roles and do like, move to a cake instead of this cupcake? That was fine. Nick was like, no, no, no, you were not fine.

You're like, you want me to erase this? I just drew a cupcake. And now you want me to erase the whole cupcake? I'm like, they have huge erasers here for a reason. That's 12 minutes gone, drawing a cupcake. It had shadows and everything. It was a good cupcake. Shading.

Then I wanted, you know those paint pins that they have that they have actual paint they use with a paintbrush and then they have gel pins. This part infuriated me. He only wanted to use the gel pins. That's not true. He did not want to use the gel pens. No, that's not true. He did not wanna use the paint. And I'm like, we're here to paint a plate, not pin draw. Nally wanted, like she wanted it to look like a cake, right?

She wanted to draw a cake and like not to mansplain painting cause I just have painted. Nally wanted to like to draw the details of a candle with like a feathered brush. I was like, go nuts, draw this candle and see if it looks like a candle when you're done. And guess what it looked like? Not a candle.

A candle. Bitch. So that was like really lovely for us to do that together. It's a memory we'll never forget. But it did turn out. Amazing. I think we definitely threw in some details at the end that probably could have been left out, but it was like, what do we fill this space with?

We gave it some color and some texture. So then we did the birthday plate. And then I really was like, I want to wake her up with a donut, like a candle in the donut on the birthday plate, like go into her room, like, happy birthday, you know, like that be her first moment. And for someone on a sugar,

like not a no sugar diet right now, this was difficult for me. Everyone had to, everyone had to, like not a no sugar diet right now, this was difficult for her. Everyone had to, everyone had to abide by Nick's no sugar. He was like, a donut on her birthday? Absolutely not, that's crazy. That's crazy, she can't have a donut. Oh, she's never had sugar.

So apparently, I don't know, I guess when you turn one, you can have. Anything you want. Yeah. You can have a cake. That's kind of like where the restrictions end, you know? Yeah, I get it. My knowledge. Nick loves the excuse of like where the restrictions end, you know? Yeah, I get it. To my knowledge. Nick loves the excuse of like, it's Christmas.

You know, like, come on, we're on the way. That's old Nick. That's like, old Nick. Sorry. So did you not have- I didn't have any of that cake or donuts. A donut, a cake? And everyone at the party was like,

this is the best chocolate fucking cake I've ever had in my life. And I love chocolate cake, it looks so good. I got chocolate for you. Yeah, I didn't have any. I definitely have a picture of you two going into Kiss River and looking at it, and it's like Natalie's looking right at River

and Nick's looking right at the cake. I'm looking right at the cake. I don't like this cake, it looks so good. It took every strength I had not to eat that cake. Good for you. Everyone really did, kept saying like, this is the best cake ever. It was like just digging the knife in the pot.

And you'll never know. I'll never know. Also the cake pops. But she handled it so well. She like loved the attention. Yes she did. She didn't get overwhelmed. No.

She was great. I don't think she got it. And she took like her first steps. It's like she started walking like a few days ago. I feel like- January 26th. River's a performer. She has, I think, a little bit of her mother in her

in the best possible way. Because I think River, honestly, I think she has been, she started standing around like five, six months and I was like, this chick's gonna be like fucking walking in a week and then like, no, turns out she was just kind of like, I think she could have been walking for like a month but she's like, you know what, my birthday's like in a month and I really, I think there's no way to like,

no reason to like get ahead now. She wanted a hard launch. She wanted a hard launch. When she soft launched it with us a few days ago, took a few steps, and after her nap and the party started, she came out in her little fairy dress that Natalie picked out. She walked around the corner,

being a little fairy angel princess baby that she is, and smiled at everyone. Yeah, she really. Little laughs. She took it all in, she laughed, she is and smiled at everyone. Yeah, she really. Little laugh. She took it all in, she laughed, she performed, she spung. Made friends. She made friends, she laughed, you know, told jokes. It was adorable.

It was a great party. Yeah, Natalie deserves all the credit. I really, I was there to help. A lot of people in my messages think that, like, I paid a tablescape person to come and do. Who's that, what's a tablescape person? People who do, like, design tables. No, and that's all Natalie and her mom.cape person? People who do like, design tables. Known as all Natalie.

And her mom. And your mom. And my mom. Collective. But Natalie was the visionary, for sure. It was Trader Joe's. We executed her plan. And some Amazon next day shipments.

One of my favorite moments was overhearing Nick tell somebody, he goes, and this is Natalie being chill. Yeah. Yeah. And again, that was meant as a compliment. Like it really was, it was meant as a compliment. Like it really was, it was a perfect little party.

It really was, yeah. Natalie brought her child. My- Leia brought her child, cause Natalie is your child. Sorry, I'm all over the place. Leia brought- I was like, oh, Natalie brought her child.

Yeah, that makes sense. My brother brought his child. So there are only, there River was- There are only three kids. There's only three kids. And then we had a couple friends, whatever. It was lovely.

But it wasn't like, you know, some of those first grade birthday parties, it's just like, what? First grade. First grade. Where are you? Be present. Some of those first year birthday parties,

they're crazy. Oh yeah. They're crazy. This lack of sugar in your brain is really. I know, I don't have enough sugar. Sending him into a spiral. He's crashing right now. He's crashing out.

No, I have, don't worry, I have all my fruits and orange juices. On deck? You might need some right now. I hope all of you get to, do you guys drink orange juice? Yes. You like orange juice?

I love orange juice. You love orange juice. What kind of orange juice do you drink? My champagne. Okay, so my favorite orange juice used to be, it's actually, it's national now, but it used to be like a local Florida orange juice, Natalie's.

That's where you're at in your, uh, orange juice. He's going to shame you. Evaluation. He's going to shame you. That's okay. I don't mean to be. I love a, I love a classic Florida's natural. Um, I'm not picky when it comes to orange juice, but I also come from, I also come from Florida. Yeah. There's an entire wall of orange juice.

We would get fresh squeezed orange juice. Like you've had, you grew up on freshly squeezed and now you're drinking Natalie's. Okay. As I feel like, um, orange juice is my culture. So I think everything I have to say on this issue is correct. Well, not if you're drinking Natalie's is your go to orange juice. It's not my go to, they have a strawberry, strawberry lemonade. That's incredible.

I love a sugary orange juice and I love a fresh squeeze. They're two different things to me. And I come from the groves, okay? I was going around the orange groves when I was a girl. When I was a little young girl, I would waddle around the groves. I know what orange juice is. And sometimes I like the sweetness

and the sugar and the pulp. Well, being a kid who grew up on the frozen cans, those, the frozen blocks of like, I don't know, they were like soda cans. It was like a frozen block of orange juice. Must add water. Yeah, I used to think those were good. And then I remember when Simply Orange Juice

was like invented and I was like, oh my God, it's simply just orange juice, this must be freshly squeezed, I thought that was good. Yeah, orange juice is like flying. It's like flying, you know, once you go to first class, you never really can go back. I don't know, can't speak for Mary, but once you're on the- Sorry, I like orange juice of the people.

It's what I enjoy spending my money on. Nick likes $25 orange juice. That's the best money I've ever spent. That's like $19. How much do you get? And this is Nick being chill. Yeah. I hope it's freshly squeezed orange juice is,

it should be the only orange juice available. I will say it is objectively better. Thank you. Yeah, I'm not saying it's not good. I'm just, it's not always readily available. I don't think, no, it's, oh my God, no, it's not. Like I go on missions around LA to find Fressy Squeezed Orange Juice.

You're also getting navel oranges a lot of the times. And tell me why that's bad. Well, I'm just saying the only like true orange juice is a Florida orange. And where can I procure? Like I wanna get into the juicing business. It's like doing a key lime pie when just regular limes. Like that's not legit.

That's just a lime pie. At the lake house, which they broke around finally today. Remodeling the lake house. We have like a live feed of it. You know, can't wait. I'm going to be squeezing so much freshly squeezed orange juice at that lake house. Like every day is going to just be.

There will be a shortage of oranges around the nation. Are you going to get like a professional juicer? Like not like the ones where you like put like the ones where you like have the oranges in there, like Jamba juice. Oh, and they get chopped. Yeah, it's like they like do the whole thing for you. I don't know. I haven't really done my full research.

It's a lot of oranges for glass orange juice. He's been researching a lot of frame TVs recently. Yeah. There is the best. In zero turn llama. In zero turn llama. Yeah. I can't imagine this.

Wait. If you're ever in Vero Beach, Florida, there is this. Where is that? It's in Florida where I'm from. Give me like a. Okay, so West Palm Beach, north, but coast. What side of it? Like central, east coast.

There's this place where you can get like an orange slushy. They have like fresh orange juice, Countryside Citrus. You would love that. Countryside Citrus, it's orange slushy. They have like fresh orange juice. Countryside citrus. You would love that. Countryside citrus. It's orange slush with soft serve. And it's the most incredible thing you will ever have in your life. Shout out Countryside Citrus, Vera Beach, Florida. Soft serve. I just want the slush.

You can just get the slushy. I want the slush. You can just... It is... I want the freshly squeezed slush. They also have orange ice cream. So they like have all of their own like produce and stuff. So they have like homemade orange ice cream, so they have all of their own produce and stuff, so they have homemade orange ice cream, they have their orange slushie, and it is the best thing in the world.

So, and it's next to Gloria Estefan's hotel. So, period. It's the best use of your money. I just have a feeling, like not only just one day, it's like, surprise babe, we're going to Florida. She's like, why? Not just a surprise. You can go to the tropic in a field. Okay. I used to live close to the Florida's like, why? Not just a surprise. You can go to the tropic in a field.

Okay. I used to live close to the Florida's natural. Like I used to drive by it all the time when going to see my grandparents, the facility. I can't get over you saying what side of the coast. It is Florida famously a peninsula. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

I always for some reason thought Miami was on the west side but it's not. No. Speaking of west side, Grammyys 2025 was last night. Anything cool happen? Yes. Kendrick Lamar winning multiple Grammys. Song of the year, record of the year

for hating Andre. Not great. There's a whole point where he, when he wins his award, they're playing not like us. And they're literally playing the Drake verse and the entire audience goes a minor Like you've got taste Swift in the audience. You've got like legends You got blue ivy knowing everywhere. Where was Drake not invited to the great mason

Not invited to the fucking great mason. You know what I thought was Drake. Is Drake gonna cancel or something? He is selling his 88 million dollar house. Yeah, that's on sale now. Where is that? In Beverly Hills. Because he needs it. He needs it. What's crazy though about that house is that there's 10 bedrooms and 22 bathrooms. That's what I like. 22 bathrooms. 22 bathrooms.

Why? He just needs multiple places to cry after he gets bodied by Kendrick at the Super Bowl. I'm always a big fan of any place or space that has more bathrooms than bedrooms because it's just kind of like, this is the guest bathroom, this is my personal bathroom,

and there's nothing more awkward than having to like walk through someone's bedroom to use their bathroom and it's just like, I'm in your space. There's also a main house and then like the separate house and then an 11 car garage. God, who needs 11 cars? And an elevator.

But what I did think was crazy about the Grammys is that Taylor presented Best Country album to Beyonce and Kanye West. Flashback to however many years when Taylor Swift won best album of the year, right? And Kanye West was like, I just got to interrupt for a second, you didn't deserve this, Beyonce did. Crazy like. It was really like a book end on like that full circle

like chapter of just, just you have Beyonce and Taylor both at the height of their careers. Beyonce finally winning album of the year, best country album. And Taylor Swift just incredibly supportive of her. And it's just they're dominating the music industry and Kanye's getting fucking kicked off of the red carpet with his naked wife.

So Kanye showed up with his naked wife and he wasn't invited? He just showed up and said, let's go to the Grammys. Well, he walked the red carpet, and then they left, basically. Yeah, he wasn't kicked out of the Grammys. Oh, so fake news?

They were not kicked out. He was nominated and walked the red carpet, then chose to get in his car and leave. Oh, so he showed up for the red carpet and did not stay for the party. Yeah. He then posted and deleted images from the evening on his Instagram account, captioning one of the photos with love story.

Love story. He's also only following Taylor Swift. That's fake. That's fake. Yeah. No, I literally went to go look at his account. Because then when I looked at it yesterday and today, he's only following Bianca. So like, I think he's-

So he's switching up. He's being a little bitch. Maybe Bianca got mad. I don't know. He's being fucking weird.. Maybe Bianca got mad. I don't know. He's being fucking weird, but Chambliss screenshot it and sent it to me. I mean, isn't public indecency illegal? That's I don't understand, but some people are saying because it's a private event and like the red carpet is shielded, but I'm like, the woman is fully naked.

Yeah. I saw her landing strip. Yeah. Oh my God. I thought she was wearing a censored dress. No, I know her labia minora. Yeah. Like a hundred percent labia minora. Yeah. Like 100% labia minora.

I'm not a doctor. Have we heard her speak? No. Once. I remember I researched it and there's like one small clip of her saying something. I don't know. Like I just need to know if she's being held hostage.

I need her mom or a sister, a cousin, a family friend, someone to be like, no, she's good. I mean, does she run hot? That is 100% Kanye West being like, let's make headlines, let's make waves, go naked. And it worked. And she's like, okay, yes, sir. You know, if she's down for it, I kind of see the vision.

What's the vision? There is no vision. I mean, she clearly, I'm assuming she's down for it. Otherwise, we're talking about kidnapping. I mean, the human body is beautiful. But there is no vision. Like, that is, there's just no way she would be like, yeah, fuck yeah, let me walk a red carpet in front of all of these strangers and cameras in the world,

butt ass naked with the tiny, and she keeps like pulling down this dress of nothing. See through father. Like it's literally see through. Like you can pull it down all you want. It's not changing. Which like when we pull down. The more you pull it down, the more you can see through it.

Yeah. So she is wearing something. Yeah. But it's like a sheer dress. Like a it. Yeah. So she is wearing something. Yeah. But it's like a sheer dress. Like a glimmer plastic bag. It's basically pantyhose. I think pantyhose covers more. Yeah.

I feel like we can all attest to like when we're out wearing a dress or a mini skirt or something and we like constantly are pulling it down is because we're a little like, ooh, self-conscious that like butt cracks out or like self-conscious something's gonna, yeah. And so the fact that she kept pulling down that non-existent dress told me that like,

she's uncomfortable. She does always look uncomfortable. But I will say like in his defense, like we do go to museums and consider the naked body like high art. So like that's his whole thing where he's trying to be like a visionary of like art mixed with fashion, mixed with like she's his muse.

100%, but I feel like it would be completely different if the way that I watched them on the red carpet, it was like, he wouldn't stand close to her, he didn't put his arm around her, he stepped away, he looked at her, it was like a very, like she's a spectacle, she is his, like gets him on headlines and he just steps back and makes her do these crazy things

and wears these crazy outfits. There's a theory online that I'm not saying is true, but I'm like, there's a theory that's saying that because she looks so much like Kim, that it's like his way of humiliating his ex-wife almost, like as if it's like, can't do it to her, but I'm gonna, this woman that looks exactly like Kim, I'm gonna make her dress like this, X, Y, Z.

But I mean, it's like, these are his children's stepmother. You know? Like your kids are seeing your stepmom's vagina on a red carpet with the rest of the world. Like that's crazy. I couldn't agree more. Oh, it's Gagne. I wish she could speak.

I wish she'd speak too. I wish someone in her life would speak and be like, oh my God, no, she's always wanted to walk a red carpet naked, that's been a lifelong dream of hers. It's in her diary when she was five. Well, you know who's speaking in that family, Tristan Thompson. Oh, what does he have to say?

He is claiming apparently, which I found to be odd, and maybe I'm getting the story wrong, but he is claiming that he is the father of Dr. Angela White's child? No, I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, but they basically like raised that baby. Like I know that dream is with them, like with True all the time.

I don't know where Rob is. I don't have his location. Well, this context, this context adds a lot because when I like saw it, so Tristan posted a snapshot where he basically said, I have two daughters and their names are Dream is my oldest daughter and True is the second oldest. Those are my two girls and I miss you so much. I love you guys. And Chyna commented on a repost of the video saying, Dream has one mother, Angela White.

I usually don't speak up, but I'm done. Stop all this clout chasing involving my daughter. As parents, we have joint custody, and we also have a beautiful, healthy co-parenting relationship. Why didn't she say she has one mother and one father, Robert Kardashian? Well, she did say, like, beautiful co-parenting relationship, which I guess is alluding to Rob. They just refer to not his daughter as his daughter.

I mean, I get it. I grew up with people who were like like my aunt and uncle and I called them Andy whatever, you know, but like this is clearly a sensitive subject and a guy who has his own problematic headlines and stories and his own behavior of like family values and yada, yada, yada is out there just being like, my two daughters, I don't know.

Yeah. That is weird. That's definitely weird for him to be like, I have two daughters and their names are Dream and True. It's like, you don't. In Adelaide's defense though, she is always with like Chloe and Tristan. Yeah, yeah, and then their daughter.

But even on like watching the Kardashians, Chloe's very open about how she takes a lot of care of Dream. Sure. But that definitely does not make Tristan her father. And it doesn't make her her mother. I mean, they're, you know. Well, I don't think Khloe has ever said she's her father. I know, sure.

But I'm imagining she's a lot more involved than him. Well, I just wish that Angela Blac Chyna would have said, Dream has one mother, Angela White, and one father, Robert Kardashian. And thank you so much for these two people who watch her, but you're not her parents. I don't know. Where is Rob?

We don't know. He stays off of, he has private life. Yeah, I'm not really interested in Rob, the public figure, and I don't really care about his Instagram, but where is Rob in relations to why is Tristan Thompson of all people, like assuming any type of parental responsibility in this family dynamic?

Probably because he has not played one game of basketball in so long that he's like, I guess I'm just like dad of. No, it's just more like where's Rob? Where's Rob in all this? I think he's a recluse. Cause I was like part of his storyline too is that he never like wanted to be like a part of like the family events and show up to things.

And I see a headline that says Rob Kardashian's family worried he's cut off from the world. He even wears disguises, went out. And that was from last year, summer 19. Wow. Yeah, I was like maybe he's. Definitely a weird post by Tristan. Yeah. Definitely weird. by Tristan. Yeah.

Definitely weird. Maybe Tristan is soft launching his trade to the Lakers. Like Luca. There was a big trade babe, everyone's talking about it. Luca formerly of the Dallas Mavericks. Yep. He's looking at me. He's very good.

He's one of the best players in the NBA. Usually trades like this don't happen. Because I went to a Lakers game and I've never been more bored in my life. Yeah, maybe that they heard you loud and clear, Natalie, and then we need a star. Because when LeBron doesn't play, who the fuck do we root for?

Baby Bron, not from me. Naluka. Also, Anthony Davis, I feel like it's always out injured for getting poked in the eye. Leia's reading tweets from her husband, Danny. No, I said that one. That one was mine. I did see a tweet about it that was like,

I named my dog Luca. What am I supposed to call him now? Anthony Davis? And that made me laugh. No, but I feel like Danny was definitely freaking out more than when I told him I was pregnant. How did that make you feel? Nah, I understand.

Is he a big Lakers fan? He's a big Lakers fan and he just doesn't understand how this is possible. Is he happy? You don't understand. There's never been a trade like this before. So he's happy. He's thrilled. I think he's shocked. He's, he's, uh, still coming to terms with it, but I mean, is he good? Why wouldn't he be happy? Like if he's a good player, why wouldn't he be like,

oh my God? It's just insane that it happens. Like, why Dallas would do that does not make any sense. He's their star player. It doesn't make any sense. He's one of the best players in the league, and he's young. Don't we think the Lakers just bought him out? No, in fact, when it comes to,

not to bog the audience down with contract stuff, but in the NBA, they have guaranteed contracts, which is cool, but if you sign with the team that you play for, you are eligible for what they call a super max deal, and it's like $340 million or whatever. But because Luka was traded, and he's not with the original team that drafted him,

I believe that has something to do with it, he is no longer even eligible to sign that deal. So like by him getting traded. Like $100 million. no longer even eligible to sign that deal. So like by him getting traded. He lost money. Like $100 million. He got fucked over and everyone's like, how did this happen? Yeah. Yeah.

So Stephen A. Smith is in tears. Because other teams would like, sometimes, like sometimes players get traded, but they would sign the deal with the original team to like work around this like rule and then get traded. But they just said, fuck that, we're just trading you. We don't care that's gonna cost you $100 million. Do you feel like they're just gonna like,

start putting the Lakers games on Netflix with Temptation Island? Ooh. That might get people to actually watch men's basketball again. I mean. This is big news for us, really. For those of you who don't know,

Temptation Island is a TV show that's been on TVs for some time now. It debuted. On the USA Network. It debuted when I was in college on Fox. Whoa. Yeah, I watched season one. Yeah, it was good.

Did Temptation Island start around the same time as The Bachelor? Around that time? I feel like there used to be a night where it was like Bachelor and Temptation Island. It might have been before Bachelor. Really? It was my sophomore year of college.

This was like 2000. I think it was before The Bachelor. I was two. This is not FBoy Island. No. So correct, so is this basically? Nick was a sophomore in college watching Temptation Island and I was two.

Fresh out the womb. I just started walking. How do you feel? I'm comfortable. Temptation Island came on 2001, Bachelor premiered 2002. Oh, happy birthday. Oh my God. So it came up before.

Anyways, Temptation Island's been on longer than The Bachelor. Like I don't think it, I think it was, it wasn't on very long. It left the air, came back in like the USA network or whatever, same host known as Mark Wahlberg, not the A-list actor, but a different Mark Wahlberg. A different Mark Wahlberg.

Was the host in 2001 and continues to be to this day. And for those, you know, Temptation Island, like you get couples that come on, a la like the ultimatum, and then they couple swap, and it's like nasty and crazy. It's trying to get them to cheat on each other basically. Yeah, and people who I know watch it, like really think it's excellent television.

Well, because it's on USA, which I think a lot of people are like, did that even still exist? Now it's gonna be on Netflix. Much easier for us to binge, so. I'm excited, when's this debut? March? March 12th.

Mm-hmm. Hmm. I predict it's gonna be a hit. I think we're all gonna be talking about it come March. Do you think people are gonna like it more than Will Ferrell smoking a cigarette as Buddy the elf? Why are people so upset about this? Some people are not happy, according to Will Ferrell.

They thought, please be true to the character. That was not cool. And Will said, I think Buddy was having a bad day. Yeah, he just went to a Ferrell, they thought, please be true to the character. That was not cool. And Will said, I think Buddy was having a bad day. Yeah, he just went to a hockey game, smoked cigarettes and drank beer. Yeah, Will Ferrell, famously a couple of weeks ago, like dressed up as Buddy the Elf and went to an LA Kings game

and he was like smoking a cigarette and he looks like he just had a, you know. Can he smoke a cigarette at a game? It was not a real cigarette. It was a peppermint cigarette. So he was like really committed. Just do it a bit. He was doing a bit. He thought it'd be fun. He was method acting. cigarette, it was a peppermint cigarette. So he was like really committed. Just do it a bit. He was doing a bit, he thought it'd be fun.

Yeah, he was, and that's the type of method acting that I think is okay. Yeah, why is this a problem? You know, people change, even your beloved characters. Maybe like Buddy the Elf, just like finally, you know, the grind of being in LA, hit him. It's like, how much work does this man have to do around Christmas time? He cannot have one cigarette. He said Yeah, it's like, how much work does this man have to do around Christmas time?

He cannot have one cigarette. He said, occasionally I just like to do weird things and just like to stir it up. Yeah. Will Ferrell is just, he's a man of the people. My favorite Will Ferrell line is in this movie, Eurovision, which is an awful movie. It's a really good movie.

It's awful, it's the best. No, it's bad in like an incredible way. Bad or is it good? Well, it's a dumb comedy. It's not winning an Oscar. Yeah, it's a dumb Netflix comedy, it's awful. It's the best. No, it's bad and like an incredible. Sure. Bad or good? Well, it's a dumb comedy. It's not winning an Oscar. Yeah, it's a dumb Netflix comedy. It's great. And he... But based off of a very real thing.

Yes. And he has this line, he goes, Seaman and Garfunkel instead of Simon and Garfunkel. And it always makes me laugh. Anyway. This does make me think of how Lizzie McGuire, when they did the reboot, Hillary Duff was like, I want her to grow up. And they were like, no, we want her to be like as tacky and like, as if she never grew up.

And she's like, I'm not doing this. And then they canceled the reboot after like starting to shoot it. The episodes exist. That's one of my least favorite things that TV shows do is like when they do do a flashback to when the character is a child and they're wearing the same hairstyle.

And it's just like, you've been wearing the same hairstyle for 25 years. Put them in a bag wig, put them in a bag and they're wearing the same hairstyle. And it's just like, you've been wearing the same hairstyle for 25 years. Put them in a bag wig, put them in a bad wig. Do what challengers did. Give her like, give her like bangs to signify it's the past. I love a goatee flashback. They do that in friends a lot.

Exactly. Yeah. Bad facial hair choices. Like things that we all experimented in from teenage years to an adult. Did you know that, Nikki, you would probably relate to this woman, but this UK woman was charged with harassment after cyber farting at her ex-boyfriend.

This is the best headline ever. This is the end of the world. This is awesome. Such a dumb headline in crime. No, it's not dumb, it's real though. A 25-year-old UK woman just made history with Britain's first ever cyber farting case. It all started with a video message to her boyfriend's ex-girlfriend.

The relentless cyber farting, that's the cool phrase, words began before Christmas and continued through New Year's. The inappropriate and indecent or grossly offensive videos eventually earning Evans a 12 month term for malicious communications. She proceeds to pass gas by placing the camera at her. She deserves prison, 100%. She deserves to go to prison.

Or this is the best bit in the world. No, that is the craziest thing to do to someone and you deserve to be behind bars. You're recording yourself farting and sending it to your boyfriend's ex-girlfriend. He better break up with you immediately. But what is it? You can't smell it.

Doesn't matter. I think it's crazy. I mean, listen, it's a crazy story anecdotally, but like it's even crazier that they're arresting people for farting into a camera. She proceeds to pass gas by placing the camera on her bottom and passing the gas, said prosecutor Diane Williams.

Miss Evans passing wind. How many different ways can we say farting Williams. Ms. Evans passing wind. How many times can we, how many different ways can we say farting? Passing wind, passing gas. Her face smiling at the camera. Criminal, she's a criminal. The victim, Deborah Pyer. Victim is in quotes.

Deborah something. When all the murderers and pedophiles are all in jail, then you can start worrying about people like this. Said the booty belches made her feel unsafe in her own home. When she appeared in court pleading guilty. The booty belches? The booty belches.

When she appeared in court pleading guilty, she said her actions were done in support of her boyfriend. She suggested she wanted to send videos because she felt her partner was being treated unfairly. It was purely malicious. She was smirking throughout. She found it hilarious, but the victim didn't. Evans must attend 15 rehabilitations sessions,

60 days of alcohol abstinence monitoring, and a two year restraining order following the cheek squeaking stunt. The cheek squeaking stunt. This is journalism. Booty belt. I, the big takeaway is that I'm going forward, will never fart.

I will only booty belt. Guys, this is my favorite thing going forward will never fart. I will only booty belt. Guys, this is my favorite thing we've ever talked about. She's grown up. Cheek squeaking. I did the research on this and I was like, of course people in US magazine left us off. I think, I think England's going up in flames, but anyways, I want to just like block her. What happened to cut the cheese?

Ooh, cut the cheese. That's a good one. What happened to free speech cheese? Oh, cut the cheese. That's a good one. That's been a free speech. That's not freedom of speech because that's freedom of wind. It's a booty belt. Hey, if we can't who are we if we cannot let one rip? Thank you. Our butts are allowed to speak.

Yeah. Is that not? I feel like it's England. It's England. They have different rules. I feel like after this story, she's gonna get a lot of messages being like, I'll pay for your farts. Oh my God, this is, yeah, this is- She should do cameos. She's gonna make a living.

This is a gateway into her OnlyFans career. PoodieBumpsTree101. There's some freaks over here. I got some DMs asking for my burps on video. So, what am I saying? Your regular belching? My belching on command you put river through college did you share that you have this special skill no I've never actually shared that before so when I got that DM I was a little nervous for

sure I didn't know if there was cameras how much money he did not say open to negotiation he said it would come from his own personal checking account though. Okay, thank you for not laundering money. That's a little weird. Guys, we have an amazing episode lined up for you. We have an even crazier week. Coming up shortly, we got Bob Harper from Traders just exiled from the castle.

He is with us momentarily to talk about all things traders. Then we have a full week for you guys. Obviously we dropped Ask Nick, a really great episode yesterday. We have a Rally recap today. Tomorrow we have an explosive interview. Tomorrow we got Carl Radke on an amazing episode of Going Deeper. We finally got Carl into the studio.

Obviously we had the pleasure of interviewing his ex, Lindsay Hubbard, a while back. And I think at one point I said that Carl was too chicken to come on the studio. Obviously we had the pleasure of interviewing his ex, Lindsay Hubbard, a while back. And I think at one point I said that Carl was too chicken to come on the show. Well, he is not and he is here with us to answer all of our burning questions and many of yours as well. That is on Wednesday.

And Carl's kind of been like, other than obviously being on Summer House, kind of low key. He hasn't really talked to anyone. Until now! Okay, what do we gotta get to? Well, Gretchen Rossi is back, Orange County Housewives. This is kind of epic.

Tell us about Gretchen Rossi. I'm not as familiar with her. Gretchen had a long run on Orange County, famously feuded with Tamra and I believe Vicky as well, but she's coming back to Orange County this year and it's kind of a big deal. I'm really excited to see. Dewey, is she coming back as a housewife or friend of? to Orange County this year and it's kind of a big deal. I'm really excited to see...

Is she coming back as a housewife or friend of? I believe she's fully casted as a housewife. So she's not taking Alexis Bellino's place? Jen posted a video with her, Katie, and Gretchen. So it seems like this is going to be like the newbies and Gretchen famously has issues with Tamra. So I think this is gonna be a very interesting season. And Shannon also posted about Gretchen coming back saying that she was really excited to have her. So we haven't heard from Heather or Tamra about Ms. Gretchen.

No, we have not. She's gonna return as a friend. So she's returning as a friend. Yeah, but we all know. So she's replacing. So she is replacing Alexis. Well, but we all know that once you film, there is a possibility that you can get like

bumped up to full time. And the people have been asking for this. Which is Tamra is going to get bodied, basically, is what's going to happen. I mean, I don't know. I just know it's not going to be it's not going to be quiet season. That's for sure. Gretchen kind of has made her own little space as like a homemaker. They started filming it? No, no.

And like her husband has drama with Tamra. Like, it's like, there's like a whole, a whole thing. So you guys, it's gonna be a really, really, really good season. I will say, I'm excited for Summer House, especially after like the whole Paige and like, the rumors of her dating. I don't know if you saw, but Austin Kroll went on Watch What Happens Live from Southern Charm. And he was asked about the rumors and quotes of Paige dating another man.

And he was like, I don't think the rumors and quotes of Paige dating another man and he was like, I don't think the rumors are rumors. And didn't Paige respond with, oh yes, a man who I haven't talked to in six months knows more about what I'm doing. Yeah, and then meanwhile she also, she's freezing her eggs. So it's like, there's these multi-layered conversation of like, Craig wanted kids, she's freezing her eggs.

It's the whole messy situation. I mean, it seems very clear that they just were not on the same wavelength. Craig wanted kids, she's raising her eggs. It's the whole messy situation. I mean, it seems very clear that they just were not on the same wavelength. Like he was ready, she's career motivated right now. And like, it just. She's got that backyard of like unnecessary fire pits, which I love by the way, but that's like giving like,

you know, Googling lawnmowers, you know? Yeah, Googling lawnmowers. Paige is like, I don't think she's there right now. She's been looking for flights, vacations. She's like, freeze this shit. I don't know when I'm gonna have time for it. He's like, babe, we got fire in the backyard. You know?

They're just not on the same page. Also, I mean, yeah, if I were Paige, Austin Krull speaking out on Watch What Happens Live, would also piss me the fuck off. I'd be like, Austin, you- Who the fuck are you? You're also like, we're watching you fight with Craig right now because you can't get no time with him. So it's like- You guys can't do your podcast.

I'm not gonna- Paige is like, I did you a favor, okay? Now you have them all to yourself. Literally. He won Craig in the breakup. He did. Really? Jennifer Aiden also isn't returning

for New Jersey Housewives. Are we surprised? So that's a cap on- Is New Jersey Housewives even returning? Probably not for a while, but- Jennifer Aiden just got a job at Jersey Housewives. Are we surprised? So that's a cap on. Is New Jersey Housewives even returning? Probably not for a while, but. Jennifer Aiden just got a job at Jersey Mike's. Unrelated. I'll care when we know exactly what's happening

with New Jersey Housewives. Until then, I feel like this is a bunch of not news. Yeah, I mean, Andy said a minute ago that it won't be for another year or longer, so. So do we really know if Jennifer Aiden won't? I mean, a lot can happen between now and when they actually get back on TV. That's true.

It depends on if she follows Mike's way. Honestly, the whole series needs to be recasted anyways, so, sorry. I saw that when we had Spencer and Heidi here, Andy did apologize to Heidi and Spencer, so. Andy Cohen apologizes for his past comments about Spencer Pratt and Heidi Montag during his radio show Andy stated

I apologize. So what I will also say is that was mean that was 14 years ago And what I really don't like about it is referring to her as trash I don't like that at all and i'm really sorry about that. So I apologize again, I guess okay I guess why is he saying I guess I don't know that's how I think he's saying because he he said I already apologize a while ago apparently but Spencer everyone knows, was just here the other day. We had an episode with him and Heidi and he was on the phone with TMZ responding to this. And he basically said that the apology won't suffice

until Andy decides to reach out privately. He also proposed that Andy post a video dancing to Montauk's number one song, I'll do it. Yeah. And to finish what Andy had said, he said, by the way, there were things that we said and did on TV 14 years ago that we wouldn't do now. It was just a different universe, but I'm not trying to justify it.

So he's saying it was more of like TV now is different than back then when the Hills was airing. Honestly, like as much as it's not an excuse, it very much is just different. Even us watching Vanderpump recap for BioFiles Plus, that it's like things that flew by in reality TV 10 years ago would never stand today, let alone the commentary. You know, can't wait 12 years from now with someone else whose house is burned down

that we talked some shit about 12 years before. Like. That we'll be like, yeah, sorry. I apologize. Have things cooled down between Rachel and Matt? I saw that Matt lost over 10,000 followers and Rachel gained over like 80,000 followers. So I know there's that whole social media support.

Some other Bachelor Nation people have come out and talked about it. So we have Claire Crawley who came out and talked about the breakup. She basically said in an Instagram story, she said, catching up on social news and SMH, shake my head, at some of this stuff. Remembering that one time I specifically asked producers to please not allow one specific guy on my season because I knew for a fact he was not looking for a serious relationship whatsoever and I didn't want him to waste

anyone's time. So instead they made him the next Bachelor. So it's Claire Coralli saying that Matt and Rachel breaking up is proof that she was right, that he- Well he- I don't know if it's proof, I think she's- What am I missing something? Was Matt James supposed to be on Claire's season?

He was. Yes. Matt James was originally casted for Claire Corall Claire's season? He was. Yes. Psh. Matt James was originally casted for Claire Crowley's season. And then Claire, who knows of what that part is right, but like they decided to make Matt James the bachelor. Claire is now claiming that she had something to do with him not ending up on her season. I don't know what this has anything to do with like, I mean, he did date Rachel for four years.

I don't know if this speaks to like Matt's sincerity about being in a relationship. Like he became the bachelor and has been in dating the same person for the past four years. So in 2025 terms, that's like an eternity, you know? You can't criticize his commitment issues. Who else is criticizing Matt? We also have Ari.

Ari? Yeah, Ari. What is Ari saying? So he posted, and it was an ask me anything. And one of the questions was, need to know your thoughts on Matt and Rachel. And so he's like walking and he's sharing it. And he basically said that he-

Is he doing a walk and talk? Walk and talk. He basically says that he doesn't feel like that he ever treated her with much respect. And he brings up the after the final rose when Matt broke things off and he just felt like it wasn't fair. So he just basically is saying that he doesn't feel like

Matt ever treated Rachel with much respect. That's a heavy statement. That's what I was thinking. Yeah, where would he be in a position to- Like he doesn't think he's ever treated her with much respect? Ever? Over four years ever? It was a very short-

This is coming from a guy who had a pretty infamous after the final rose himself. Literally. Just. The most hated man in America after that. Like he's got like a moment. He pulled a Jason Mesnick. And again, in defense to Ari,

a lot of that was not Ari's fault. It was very much the producers producing the fuck out of the AFR, a la like you would think that Ari might have a little bit more empathy for Matt James and his AFR experience. Certainly Rachel, as we've stated before, I think was absolutely thrown under the bus and scapegoated for a lot of people. But Matt James is on the bottom of the people I assign blame to. And I think him and Rachel were both thrown under the bus. It's just weird that Ari of all

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Wow, Bob. Bob. Hey, y'all. Hey, man. You look stunning. Thanks for joining us. Where are you calling from? That looks great. My apartment. Look at his outfit.

Stunning. I mean, I'm always going to serve it. Oh my God. Look at his jug of water. He's hydrated. I know. I try to hide that. Wow, spacious room, man.

Anyways, I didn't know we were going to get such a... Now I want to turn this conversation to like how do I design your entire apartment in the best possible way. Come on over. Bob, it's super cool. I'm going to show you how to do it. I'm going to show you how to do it. I'm going to show you how to do it.

I'm going to show you how to do it. I'm going to show you how to do it. I'm going to show you how to do it. I'm going to show you how to do it. I'm going to show you how to do it. I'm want to turn this conversation to like how do it design your entire apartment in the best possible way Bob it's been so fun to watch you on traders. Obviously, I think I speak for all of us that we were sad to see you go I don't know how you feel but like when people get killed by traders like overnight It just feels like you just feel like well like oh It just feels like, you just feel like, well, like, oh. You're like, wait, yeah, let's go, well, grab me and I need to defend myself. Yes, yes, you're like, you're just dead, you know?

At least at a round table, you're just like, you know? You get to like give a fuck you and flip people off like Wes was doing, but were you shocked, Bob, that you were murdered? Did it come with great surprise or were you kind of like, what the fuck? Like, what were those thoughts going in your head when you woke up and you realized

that the traitors killed you? I had that moment where I was thinking, wait, why did I say what I said at the round table kind of like throwing that out on the table with no warning with everyone else? Because let me tell you, if I would not have gotten murdered that night, Rob would be gone the next one.

So I guess he was smart to do it. But Delores, I would have gotten Delores and Ciara to not be voting for like, when Delores voted for Tom, I was like, this is not good. I mean, Tom is not a traitor. He's just crazy. Just crazy. He's just weird.

Yeah. Also got Boston Rob's plan word for word, like exactly what he did. Was that like infuriating watching this episode and knowing that like he's still there? Yeah. I mean, the way that he kind of, he had to come in because he in because he wasn't picked to come into the house in episode one. So he really had to like throw his dick around. You know what I mean? He had to be like, I've got to show these people that I am the best player of any other game. And it just made such perfect

sense the way that he came so hard being like, I'm a hundred percent confident. I'm like, well, you're 100% confident because you're a fucking traitor. Dumb. I'm curious, when we're watching it back, obviously we're watching back an edited version. We don't get to see anything. And I'm watching it now and wondering

how as great of a player as Boston Robb is, how is he not being noticed because he's just, if for no other reason that he's just like so noticeable, like he is definitely walking around with the bright light on him, but was it as, you know, is that more editing, you know, now that we, you know, they have it,

or were people just not seeing it in real time as well? You know, a lot goes on when you're shooting and they've got to condense it down to an hour. But I feel like when it comes to Rob, he has a way of bullying people. He has a way of kind of being the man that's in charge. And then all of a sudden, these minions kind of got behind him or just like, yes, I'll do whatever you say. You're the you're the one. And like, that was the one thing about Dylan who I absolutely love. I love misguided.

And, but he was really, I feel like he was really using Rob to do the dirty work too. So, I mean, cause there's no way he didn't know that he was a trade or was not a trader. I feel like Dylan knows Rob as a trader and just decided not to vote for Rob just to like avoid any conflict with Rob and he's, you know, going to figure out the Rob of it all later.

Yeah. It just seemed like Dylan's heart wasn't in that West vote, but it seemed more strategic. Um, and he was like almost feeling, thinking two steps ahead. God, if I would have been at that round table that night, though, I mean, Rob would have been sent home because I would have just been like, listen, Wes is a dick.

He's saying all the things and he's, you know, just doing that thing that Wes loves to do. But I would have gotten them around the fact that this is such a diversion and a distraction and it's all coming from Rob. And I mean, he would have gone, but I was just like, West, shut up at that round table. I was like, shut up with all of your just like, you know, macho male shit. He did say a lot of just like unnecessary weird comments.

I'm coming for you ladies. Like, holy shit, that's fucking a game. Yeah. Yeah. He was like, I'm coming. I'm coming for the five of you. And when Brittany was like, well, let's make it six. I thought that was a great line.

Yeah. It just, it became people voting out of just them not liking him. And meanwhile, Rob was sitting there just like, look what I did again. I mean, it's not really. It is crazy just because I feel like every round table, Rob is so sure of the other person. Like it's always him and someone else.

And he's so sure of the other person and gets the other person voted out only for them to obviously still be a faithful. And it's like, at some point, all these people gotta be like, all right, wait a second, like Rob, what's going on? But who are you closest with in the house? Delores and Sierra, I mean, those were my girls.

I mean, from the jump, I didn't even know Sierra. I didn't know her from her show. It was just, she had a quality about her that I was just super drawn to. And the same, I knew Dolores outside the house, but we really got close to one another. And I've said it before and I'll say it again, Dolores is that kind of friend that you call

to help bury the body at night. Yep. Because she will be there for you. What was the craziest Tom theory that you remember? Oh, it just, and I think Delores had a great comment at the round table last night. It was just like, she was basically like, girl, say whatever you want

because none of it's gonna make sense anyway. I mean, he had it in for Crichelle because of the history that they had, and it was just constantly him just going on about Kruschele. But I will say, I enjoyed Sandoval. There was that one part of the episode last week where he's hunched over and he's like eating dinner like he's Nusratu or something.

I'm like, baby, take a breath with that. Sit down. His theories made no sense. They were all over the place at all times. My favorite part of the episode was when it's the round table starts with Tom giving a theory and then Derek is like, all right, well, that was, I'm sorry for, we all had to listen to that bullshit. Can I actually get to like my theories?

It was. Yeah, that happened a lot. When he started talking, it just got to be this kind of like eye roll around the round table of just like, oh, here she goes, let's let her talk now for, you know, a few minutes, but then you just got to interrupt Sandoval. It's just like, you just have to. That's great.

Thanks for sharing that story. Also, nothing, like the couple episodes, I just wanna acknowledge that like, that scene you had when they were carrying the fucking mantles up and like, that was a very vulnerable moment for you. And like, you talked about having a heart attack and obviously, you look great, but like as we get older

and we have health problems, like it's obviously very humanizing, I'm sure, to at one point in your life be able to do one thing as you described, you would have been the person helping people carry up, and then when your body kinda gives out on you, that can be a very humbling experience, and I think a lot of people connected with that story that you shared, and I'm just wondering,

did you receive any well wishes from that, or what was that like, or did you hate having to be vulnerable in that moment? It was one of those moments where you can't help, or at least for me, I couldn't help but be vulnerable. I mean, I'm an open book, and so when that mission was going on, and it was kicking my ass, and I'm seeing Dylan, you know,

like a stallion running up and back and Robin too. So many people just like killing it. And I was just like, holy crap, like, you know, I'm turning 60 this year. And after my heart attack, I changed completely the way that I work out. And all I've done for the past several years is just yoga. But like one thing that the traders has done for me

personally is that I'm more confident now getting back into the gym, doing workouts kind of that I used to do, but just like trusting my heart and my body again. So, you know, not to make this a very special episode, but like that's kind of what it was like for me. And, you know, I feel great. But sometimes I get these people that are, he looks so different.

I'm like, yeah, bitch, you saw me on television, you know, a million years ago. I mean, I'm not as young as I used to be. So, you know, it's like, I need everyone to just calm down on me. Well, you look great. I think my favorite photos going around online are the old Boston Rob photos from Survivor.

Cause everyone's like, do you remember Boston Rob? And I'm like, no. He was the heart Rob. I remember watching him and I love Boston Rob. And I mean, I still do. I think that he's great. And he sent me a really nice message right before the episode.

He was just like, you know, you were just on to me and I had to do it. And I was like, yeah, I get it. Do you think, I know we don't wanna obviously spoil anything and I don't even know what you know once you leave, but I just, you know, I think we- He knows everything. You know everything? I know everything well what I

want to ask you is like like I just don't see how Rob gets out of this because every time he gets into a fight with someone right and then he convinces the table like oh you're all wrong this other person's of the traitor and then they get up and go not a traitor like every time that happens you're like oh wait it's gotta be fucking Rob. But like is he? Yeah, I will say never underestimate Boston Rob. And I also will say,

and I've even made a point of saying this too, I was like, God, I really thought I was gonna be good at this game. I've got an intuition. I feel like I can figure it out. And of course, when I watch the show, because I'm a fan of this show, that's why I did it. It's like, when you're at home, you have all the information.

So everything is obvious in the way that it's edited. I am not kidding you. When you're in that house, it is so difficult. You are grasping at straws. You are trying to figure out, like Carolyn's eaten cereal with a fork. What does that mean? She was, right?

I asked Nick, I said, was she eating Honey Nut Cheerios with a fork? That was crazy. She was eating with a fork. What does that mean? She was, right? I asked Nick, I said, was she eating honey nut cereals with a fork? That was crazy. She was eating cereal with a fork. And so of course, cause you know, if you've seen Carolyn, like she is fit. She's tall, she's tall. She was just in my house the other night.

She's tall and you know, got that great body. And I'm like, well of course you eat cereal with a fork because it lowers the calories in what you're eating. Yeah, less dairy for sure. Yeah. Love Chrichelle, a friend of show. Her vibes seem to be way off. Every time she talks about having a feeling or an inkling

or energy about someone, it's always someone who's definitely not a traitor. I think that goes to your point though, of you just being like, we're grasping at straws. You are just like looking at someone's shift in energy It's always someone who's definitely not a trader. I think that goes to your point though, of you just being like, we're grasping at straws. You are just like looking at someone shift in energy and being like, it's gotta be, cause they're a trader. Yeah, I mean, it becomes, it becomes like that.

I mean, I love Crichelle. Like she is, not only is she just, she's gorgeous on the outside and the inside. I mean, she is so great. We spent a lot of time like driving together and she was always kind of having that very California and I'm from California, that California tree hugger moment of just like,

your energy just feels a little different and looking at the stars or whatever the case may be. And I'm like, yeah, I'm a little bit more pragmatic than that. What city are you calling from, Bob? I live in Manhattan. Oh, God. Damn. What a beautiful place you have there. That was over for tea.

Come on over next time y'all are in town. Any more questions for Bob? What do you think about the whole Danielle, Carolyn, of it all? Yes, thank you. Their beef. The traders fighting amongst the traders. I will say now that I'm not on it and I am a viewer, I am riveted by it. It's like I cannot wait for Thursday night because I need to see what goes on in that turret. And Carolyn is the kind of person, once you cross her, there's no going back. And so, I mean, I think Danielle's going to have to do a lot of heavy lifting, but I don't think, I think

it's going to fall upon deaf ears. It's like Carolyn is, she's a piece of work that one. And you think that she is, she's not aware of what's going on, what I've learned. She's aware of everything. Well, I can't wait. I cannot wait to watch. It's incredible television. It's been great.

And I'm just like Danielle, I just don't really get her master plan. It's like, it's too many steps, you know? It's just like, she I just don't really get her master plan. It's like it's too many steps. It's just like she's trying to get rid of Carolyn so that she can get rid of Rob. It's all about getting rid of Rob according to her, but it's just like why are you backstabbing your only potential ally so that you can get

a different traitor in and then trying to convince them to go after Rob? That's like, that's a lot of moving pieces. And she's not really doing anything other than pissing off Carolyn. Yeah, and I think that maybe, and I don't know, I don't know this, but like, you know, maybe she's just trying to throw so much heat

everywhere else that it gets off of her. Because especially when we played that one mission with all the riddles, I mean, she was so good at it and she just kept going up and like giving her shield to someone else. And I'm sitting there going, girl, what are you doing right now? And that was the first time I started thinking,

oh, something might be up with Danielle, but I trusted her so much. I could not believe that she was a traitor. Yeah, I am kind of shocked more people after that mission weren't looking at Danielle. Correct, I know, but there was just so much heat everywhere else in the house. And then all of a sudden, Wes decided to do his Wes thing.

I think Wes dropped the ball with that. He was just being way too aggressive for no reason. He could have just like calmed down a little bit and just, that's how Rob could have gotten out. Wes comes from the challenge. Yeah. And like, I'm not a big challenge fan, but it's like, it's just a lot of physical competitions

and stuff like that. Yeah. I've never seen, I've never seen, I didn't know Wes. I didn't know him at all. Like when I first saw him in the cage, I thought that he was like Fergus's brother or something. Like they looked so much alike. They did.

Yeah, it sounds like he did a lot of winning on the challenge and it's been around for a while. He said he was the most winningest person at the table. What does that have to do with- He likes to tell us that and like this, I guess you are correct. What does that have to do with traitors and how that's a completely different game

and their strategy and just like pissing off half the room. Challenge kind of is a bit strategy where, because people are voted out, so it's like you have to kind of make alliances and have people on your team and hope that they're voting the same way that you are. Like Survivor's more of a quiet game, Challenge is like you've got an hour

to go and talk to everybody and do things. So it's like he's still playing in the challenge where I'm like he should have taken a tip from the Survivors and been like, let's lay low a little bit. But he's doing like, I'm in your face. I'm aggressive. I will win. And if you go with me, then you will win too kind of thing.

And it's like, it didn't work for this game. I will say, I don't know if anyone's told you this, but, you know, the round table is such an intense part of the castle, But the way that the intensity elevated, I remember the first time we were sitting in the round table, it was all quiet. And then all of a sudden they piped in that Hunger Games song, you know, the, are you, are you coming for the tree

or whatever that song is. Like, it was one of those moments, like the first time we heard that at the roundtable I was like what the fuck have I gotten myself into I mean it was like it only created more drama and that happened all the time and you we thought we'd get used to it and it was just so nerve-racking. That's crazy that they pumped that music in to add to the intensity because usually it's that's fascinating.

They are producing that's all. They are producing. That is T- fascinating. They are producing, that's all. They are producing. That is T-Bob, wow, thank you for that. Are you wearing cowboy boots? I am, yes. Oh. We call, you know, I'm from Tennessee. I mean, we kind of call those shit kickers, right?

Yeah, shit kickers. Oh, because they got, are they like, are they not pointy? Oh yeah, no. They're square toed. You look like a badass in those. Oh, what part of Tennessee, Bob? I grew up on a farm an hour north of Nashville called Adams, Tennessee.

It was little, little bitty town. I grew up on a gravel road that didn't have a name on it. Love. I love that. And look at you now. Beautiful. Yeah, literally. In his Manhattan penthouse.

Yeah, that's literally a dream Manhattan house. 100%. Living our dream, Bob. Thank you so much for your time. Really enjoyed watching you this season. Wishing you nothing but success in the future. And thank you so much for taking the time. Thanks for having me.

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Is that? His apartment looked like it was. Truly. It was stunning. That's a Manhattan apartment? You ever seen the movie Big? Yes. Many times, yes. You have? She kissed a young boy.

That was not my biggest takeaway from that movie. My takeaway was when he bought that like apartment You ever seen the movie Big? Yes. Many times, yes. You have? She kissed a young boy. That was not my biggest takeaway from that movie. My takeaway was when he bought that like apartment in the city and he could like ride a, like through his New York apartment. Like I've got some space. Yeah. I'm driving bikes.

Yeah. Anyways, crushing life. Before we get to Bachelor, I have some summer house news. What's going on? Well, Amanda Batula thinks that Craig Conover is being a little ridiculous about the Paige Disorbo breakup.

How so? Her and Kyle did an interview with Us Weekly, and they're talking about Summer House and whatnot. And she says that Craig's latest moves after the breakups have left her unimpressed. She says, I think it's a little ridiculous. I think Craig likes the sympathy from everyone. And ultimately, I think that what he should have done

was clear up the cheating rumors in some regards because she's really getting a lot of hate for that. What is Craig doing? All that Craig did from what I know is posting that story saying, like, I was unexpectedly broken up with and people find that to be shady. I feel like she got- Isn't he not allowed to be like,

yeah, I was a bit caught off guard. I was in love one day and the next day I have a broken heart Yeah, or like my best friend I can no longer call and reach out to to talk about day-to-day issues And it's a weird adjustment It's just like wait like guy breaks up with girl on an airplane and the whole world needs every fucking detail And so we can crucify the man But girl breaks up with guy and he needs to shut the fuck up is not to like have any theories in rumors spread about like why that's a good point like well that's the thing she did go on her podcast she gave

her side of the story she broke up huge hit podcast platform of platform weekly podcast where I'm sure every week she is making some kind of comment in reference to her relationship status right and what's going on in her life, which indirectly involves Craig. 100%, and I think even then from the story, he never said anything cruel, and he did say that, to be respectful of Paige, that they're both going through this separately and just to be kind.

So it's like he did state that, he didn't say, oh, I know for a fact she didn't cheat on me, but at the same time, that's none of our business. They don't have to speak on it if they don't want to. It's also- Nothing about Craig's comments suggested in like anything other than like she broke my heart. 100%.

Also think it's like Paige saying Austin, doesn't need to comment on the relationship. It's also like, okay, Amanda, like when was the last time you and Craig had a conversation? I feel like it kind of just goes both ways of the people on the outside, obviously this is a huge story, this is anyone who talks about it,

it's getting pick up, so I feel like friends of these people are. And to fence the page about that though, nothing irritates me more than people telling me about me and what I'm doing in my life. No, 100%, but don't you feel like Craig could feel the same way about Amanda being like, Amanda, you don't and what I'm doing in my life. No, 100%. But don't you feel like Craig could feel the same way about Amanda being like,

Amanda, you don't know what I'm going through. And so for you to say that you were unimpressed with how I'm handling this and you think I love all this sympathy, it's like, come on, we haven't talked and I don't know how long, you know? You don't think he could say the same? Well, sure.

I mean, I'm not agreeing with everything Amanda said. I'm just pointing out that Amanda is just like critiquing Craig's actions, versus Austin is spreading rumors. Austin's going out there, I watch what happens live and then like, those rumors aren't rumors. She's like moved on. Yeah, 100% what Austin did is way worse than,

but I just think it is like people commenting to comment when like neither of these people were in this relationship. And I don't know the last, I mean, do we know the last time Amanda saw Craig, talked to Craig, like knows what's going on? You also don't have to throw shade at the ex. Like you can support your friend without having to throw the shade the other way.

Cause I'm like, Craig's not doing anything to you. Craig's not going out saying that Paige did XYZ. Paige isn't going around saying Craig did XYZ. So I'm like, why are we commenting on either? And like the accusation that Craig is like milking the sympathy, it's like, give me a fucking break. Again, the person on the receiving end of the breakup, A, is entitled to have a broken heart and B, like,

Craig ain't the first person to be like milking sympathy in the reality TV space. So like what Craig has done in this department is a fraction of what other people have done to milk their sympathy when it comes to their broken heart. So please. Well, I just got two words for you. Father God. Father God.

Start of Matt James breakup post. Yes. All right, well, Bachelor episode two is out. I'm actually enjoying this season of Bachelor, which is a rare statement for me to say. I just wanna say you cannot make me hate Zoe. Oh, I don't know about that, because I disagree. Not my cup of tea.

Not my, yeah. Yeah, I feel like the girl who's always like, I'm not here to make friends, is like, come on babe, playbook. I'll say this much about Zoe, is someone who last week I thought might be someone who wins, she ain't winning. She's definitely not winning.

I respect the hustle. One caveat to this is that like it's only week two. And week two, they'll take it from wherever they get it. And that is the drama. So like early on, like I don't know, Zoe is just like, maybe she's like, I'm just like, I don't know. To be clear, you guys can have your opinions,

but like she is 100% right. Like all she is doing nothing wrong. No, I don't think the like taking him on the group date is wrong. I think that's definitely the opportunity to get, you have like during group dates, that's the only way you get alone time with him is if you like pull him, like I am 100% like she was,

do what you want in that whole scenario. I think the like, then taking him from Ali, like stealing him from Juliana. Juliana and then stealing him again from Ali Jo to like finish your thoughts. It was like, okay, girl, we're doing too much. What if I told you that everyone that early on is interrupting everyone?

Everyone gets interrupted. So when someone's talking to someone, nothing happens without a little bit of coordination from the friends who want you to buy a boat, other producers. So no time is the bachelor or bachelorette just sitting there waiting for people to come. That's never happening. They are never alone. So they are given access to like the people. So like they are always interrupting someone every time. You are sometimes shown

those interruptions. And the why some people get mad and some people don't is because they carefully make sure that certain people interrupt certain people because they know it will trigger certain people. And then with Zoe hanging around wanting to finish that conversation, it is more likely that before she went back to sit with the rest of the gals, they were like, well, it seemed like you didn't get to finish your conversation, would you like more time with him?

We'll just wait here for a few minutes. I know, but I just hate that argument because I feel like Zoe could have been like, honestly, I feel like I'm good. I'll see him tomorrow. But she wasn't good. She's got three minutes with the guy and she wanted three minutes and 30 seconds.

I don't know. From what the women said, they were like that they've all been very respectful about giving time. Fuck respect. How much time do they actually get? I don't know, it depends. How long is one of those dates? It might be three minutes, it might be 20 minutes.

But the date in general, when they win after a challenge, how long are you at a different location for? At the dinner party after a group date. Yeah. Oh, that's all night. Is that all night, so maybe five, six hours? Yeah. So, okay, so then there's a way for six or eight girls

to be respectful of the time that they're giving. Fuck respect, I am not here to get you time with someone that, especially early on, if you're making a human connection, and keep in mind, the premise of the show is they're all like, yeah, after eight weeks, you can get engaged. It's like, yeah, sure, no problem.

And I'm supposed to do this with a fucking stranger? Anyone there who is there to be polite for the rest of the girlies is not there for Grant. Zoe is the only one so far making it very clear why she's there and she's there for Grant. And everyone else there is there to make friends, they're there for the followers, they're there for the clout.

I don't know. I'm disagreeing with that fully. I think it's the people who are just like more people pleasers and less of like, yeah, competitive, a little bit more aggressive, a little bit more I'll step on your toes. Can't get to know someone by sharing them. Sharing them with like 25 people.

Sure, but I think there is a way to be like. But like no one, that's what I'm saying. If you show up to a group date and your plan is to sit there and wait for your chance, you won't get a chance. They will end the night. You have to try to go talk to your person. You have to go out of your way to make time. However you do that, you can figure it out.

You can be like Zoe and like a little more aggressive, or you can be a little bit more like, hey, I'd love to, can I go and talk to Grant? Can I, like, I'd love some time. Or maybe I wrote something nice for him. I wanna do something. But if you're just gonna sit there and wait for the grant to pull you.

Who was sitting there? Allie Jo was just like, I've been sitting here all night and I haven't had a chance to talk to him. I'm like, well, that's your problem. But then she tried to talk to him and was interrupted. And then when, this is the part that got me, is when she tried to confront Zoe after, she was quiet. So I was like, girl, you were saying that

with your chest a second ago, interrupting me, and now you're sitting there being quiet. Now she had nothing to say. Well, Ally Jo did come at her hard with like, you're that insecure, like you have nothing to say, you're that insecure, or you need that much attention. I love her no response.

And all Zoe was here to say is like, listen, you can't offend me by interrupting me. I'm gonna do me, you do you. I'm not gonna critique how you do it. Don't critique mine. And then Ali Jo started throwing like insults and started talking about how insecure she was and all this bullshit.

And Zoe's response was like, sticks and stones. Like, I'm just gonna sit here quietly and be the like demure queen that I am. Demure? I'm not gonna fight back. Demure? Nothing about that girl's demure. Yeah, whatever.

She's confident, I give her that. But I could never. Fine, but I thought it was great. What did you think of Christina straddling him in front of all the other girls? That was a little. Tunging him down. I'm pretty sure they looped that a little bit.

I would love to know from Grant, well, was she making out with you that long? I kind of feel like they looped it a little bit, but. I mean, it was the most intense make out I've probably ever seen on TV. The best is like them being like, God, like when we kissed, it was like, or like her saying, when we kissed,

it was like nobody else was around. And it was like, it didn't look like you looked around. Yeah, we could tell. You walked up through a crowd and then said, la la la la la la la. Do the women seem more triggered by Zoe than? Well, different group of women. Well, it's a different women.

Whatever. Well, Carolina seemed more receptive to what the girls had to say at the dinner party versus Zoe was like, I don't care what you have to say, I'm doing what I'm doing. And also the energy shift is so different where I was like, I feel like for the first group with Zoe, it was more like just like anger, feeling like disrespected

where the second group, like the energy just dropped after that they're like after party was just like, okay. And I love how Grant walks in and group, like, the energy just dropped after that. Their, like, after party was just like, okay. And I love how Grant walks in and he's like, why is everyone upset? Everyone seems low vibe. Cause you were having sex in front of us. Cause we're day three and we all feel like we lost. We saw your dick hard grinding on Carolina.

Well, she was grinding on him. To be fair. That's fine. Okay. He said, I couldn't go anywhere. She was straddling me, so I just had to do, you know. But Carolina seemed, her actions seemed way more antagonistic than Zoe's.

Again, Zoe's just more like, hey, you asked how long are they there? These women are there for hours. And Zoe was the only one who said, I'm gonna pull ya. I don't need to slam dunk competition. Yeah, that part I definitely respect. Her being like, fuck this, I can slam dunk. Let's go talk on the roof.

None of us are gonna make these dunks anyway. Well, they lower the hoop, but I'm just saying, she took the initiative. She didn't commit any crime. She didn't make out with someone in front of her. She didn't rub it in. What did you think of the one-on-one date with Alex? I can't believe they went to the Bev Center.

And when I saw that, I was like, are you kidding me? That was low budget. Are you kidding me? That's the worst mall in LA. Yeah. I loved it. It's been one of my dreams. I mean, the type of, I mean, we all,

you've heard me talk with just a few weeks ago. But like take you to Century City. Locked in a grocery store all night long. So it was giving like locked in a place where you have free reign. Yeah. In a place where you're not supposed to have free reign. That's giving fun.

That's fun. I was more impressed with her this day than I was with her night one. Okay, same. Same as she opened up. Yeah. I thought she was so cute. She was really, I mean she is goofy.

Love that for her. But she was all goofy night one. And like I felt like she was a little more like normal and down to earth and like chill. Love the tats. I loved her outfit. Grant serenading her, coming up with a song on the spot.

I was gonna go right now. You hated it? President of the Grant Alice music club for sure. Yeah. Mary was in the club when that was playing. Shut up. It's a good song. They're bullying me. We've listened to it. I like it. Yeah. Mary was in the club when that was playing. Shut up. It's a good song. They're bullying me.

We listened to it, I like it. He can beatbox, he is very musically talented. We're getting close to like- Yeah, you can reel it in. I don't care if you're John Mayer or Grant Ellis, you can't just like sing in public whenever the fuck and not make it weird. Yeah.

He did it a lot this episode. It was like he beatboxed over the inter like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like,

it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like,

it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's Yes, it's, and we're getting close to, anyone need a beatbox? And I don't think that's Grant's fault. I think those producers love a party trick. Who are your top runners?

Top runners? Front runners. Front runners, thank you. Well, you were half right about Ally Jo. She's not really the villain, but she's certainly part of the drama. Well, we'll see. Listen, Latia, she's definitely top two.

She won already. I think she's, she either, I think he's so torn between Latia and Juliana. Yeah, I think we already know it's final two. That's the one on one, right? No. No, no, Alex is one on one. Oh, I think. Juliana's the hand massage.

He was rubbing them hands. Listen, he was like, you know what, baby, let me take care of you. She was giggling too. She's fantasy sweet. She's going home week three. I think she might be back on her. No, I think her and Latia are at the end.

Not Alex? I don't think Alex is at the end. I think she's maybe three or four, but I think his final two are Julianna and Latia. Chloe also might be. Everyone has your own opinions. I like that little basketball kiss. You take your two? Since we teased Grant a little bit for his music singing,

I do want to acknowledge that I thought he handled that conversation with Latia with like, no notes, like A plus. Because it's a tough conversation. Like, you know, credit to Latia for like expressing herself and like, you know, I mean, Grant, the night one, for those of you who don't remember, like he was just like, you're so beautiful. Like you must never hear no.

He's just giving a lie and he's trying to sweet talk her. He's not trying to understand her childhood trauma. That triggered her, she mentioned, she's heard no, she's had tough breakup, she's had heartbreak. She used that as a conversation, as a launching pad to start opening up to Grant about her personal story. And he did not get defensive. He listened, he responded, he didn't make it about him.

There has been several other bachelors in recent years that have like epically failed those types of conversations and I think we need to give Grant some credit because he was as perfect as a response to a situation. I remember him owning up to it and he was like, I just said that because I instantly saw that you were pretty and I knew that you were to be a temptation is what I took from it. Yeah, but it's not what I meant and I'm sorry for saying it that way and like let's move on. It was

who was a, who was the bachelor who got COVID? It was Zach. Zach, who was he lecturing? I forgot. Like he started yelling. Oh yeah. You know, Zach talking about how serious this is for him. That's what I'm saying. Like I think a lot of bachelors in this situation would take Latia like saying something that like ran is just like, well, if you think I'm not here for the right reasons, because I, you know, it's just like very easy to get defensive when someone comes to you and says, hey,

you said something that kind of bothered me and hurt my feelings. And he didn't express any discomfort or like any defensiveness. It was, I don't think we, I don't think we highlight that shit like that enough. I thought, I thought he handled it fucking perfect. It was truly top notch. It was, uh, Zach was lecturing Greer because Greer was comparing meeting like a sales quota.

Exactly. So like there's this girl that's trying to connect with this stranger and he's like, it's not like fucking work. Jesus Christ. So his first kiss, Alicia went home. Which I was at Q and home. I was genuinely surprised by that. Yeah, they seemed to really hit it off. Right, from like night one.

Was that not his first impression? That's what you call good editing. No, no, Alex was the first impression. I wasn't surprised by Rebecca going home after that conversation where he was like, you know what, I'm gonna pull Rebecca to find out why the energy in here is weird. And then she was like, robotically speaking to him.

She was, huh? Yeah. I noticed that I was just like, maybe she, that's her cadence that it could have been edited to. It was tough to follow. It was like. It felt like she was trying to get like kinda deep and he was like, I just wanted to like vibe check.

Like, is everyone good in here? Like what's going on? And her defense, she was probably also like, I don't want to be the one saying this, but you're making me say this. So I'm speaking robotically as I'm talking. The age old like, hey, is everything good in the house? And being the person to like give the tea is the one

to go home because they're starting drama. Yeah, it's a tough situation. Now that I'm thinking about it, yeah. She's like, how do I answer this without slut shaming Carolina and making you feel like you're an idiot? And she's like, um, uh, mm, is that?

Yeah. I'm here for you. And also I think that he was like, you know what, there's only room for one musical talent in this relationship. Yeah, it can't be both of us. Well, credit to Latia too, who was just like, I can't sing, I can't dance,

and I don't know how to public speak. And I honestly thought she had the best performance because she wasn't trying to perform. Where then, what was her name? Rebecca. Rebecca. She's like, I can sing. And you could tell when she was singing, she was very nervous.

Because you could tell, she was like, this is my moment to be good, this is my moment to shine, I really need to deliver. And she psyched herself out. Or like Latia was just like, I'm fucking, the fuck? She was just there. She was like, I'm gonna talk through this. Yeah, she was just there having fun versus,

Rebecca was trying to perform. I'm gonna sit here and look at you with my piercing eyes, and then that'll be it. Is this correct, did I see Lisa Vanderpump in the preview for next week? Yes, they go to Vanderpump Dogs, it looks like. That little cross promotion with Hulu. Uh, in Vanderpump Villa. You know, it's Rob Mills working overtime.

Yeah. And it says Hannah Berner? Sucks for us, though. Hannah Berner? Yeah, Hannah Berner was also in the preview. Let's go. Good for Hannah. I'm like, okay.

Yeah, Mario, Hannah Berner, Lisa Vanderpump, they've really like upped their guests. They lowered their budget for the dates and they upped their budget for the guests. They said go to the fence. They upped their... Guests. They lowered their budget for the dates and they upped their budget for the guests. They said go to the best. They upped their budget. Just kidding, I'm just kidding. No disrespect.

No, it's definitely better celebrities than who have been there in the past. Well, last season was a Wicked sponsorship the whole season, so. Yeah, well, a lot of the times when they have their one-on-one dates, I do have to Google who's singing in the background. And no disrespect to, is it Allie Brewer?

Ashley Brewer. Ashley Brewer. Seems like she's really great at her job, but I feel like those are moments to bring in an alumni, which they've done before, but hey. I was surprised by Ella going home after she gave him that note. Why?

Wasn't. It wasn't. Wasn't a good note. I don't know. She had a thing. On an island alone. I'll tell you what, week two I had a lot of girls give me some weird shit and just like,

I had one girl do a sketch comedy thing in front of me and I just sat there and watched. And someone reenacted a cheer. It's a lot of weird shit that they're just grasping at straws, you don't know any of these people. You're just like, great. Nick told me he purposefully was a bad kisser to someone that he just like stuck his tongue in and didn't do anything.

Straight in. No. Yeah. Not the dead fish in the mouth. Yeah, one time one of the producers was like, hey, I got a favor. I'm like, what? And they're like, they were trying to create something. That's, I'll just leave it at that.

You said I'll play it, but only my way. No, they're just like, can you just for this one person, I wasn't really interested in this person, I didn't care. They're like, can you be a bad kisser? I said, sure, no problem. All right then. And I just remembered what get bad kissing meant to me, which is like a dead fish. So I just opened up my mouth and just, uh, and she looked, we got done kissing and she looked at me and she gave me that. What the fuck was that? And I was like, all right, well, I'll see you later. What's dirtier, you doing that or them putting

all the tall girls on one basketball team and all the short girls on another basketball team? That was crazy. Although when we played basketball on Andy Dorfin season, they did that to us and we fucking crushed them. Were you short? Well, you're scrappy. You're not short.

I'm not short, but they like bachelor nation is very tall. Six to my height is average for that world. And they had like all the six to in six, five guys. And I had like, I was the tallest person on my team and we had a bunch of like shorter guys, but we had the one actual basketball player. So I. He won.

He won. And you guys were there to support. And I kind of played unofficial coach and I said, guys, they're not going to be calling fouls. Foul early, foul hard and foul often. Yeah. And Ali Joe heard you. And so we just we just beat the shit out of the other team and let Brian make a bunch of buckets and we crushed him. Who was it that kept traveling this episode?

All of them. She just ran with the ball. Yeah, they're like, all right, three travels. It was great. I was like, you know what? The WNBA is not going on right now. I miss this. Should we get to Salt Lake City?

Let's do it. I just want to say I love you, Mary. Me too. Yeah, all the discourse, people questioning her intentions and yada, yada, yada. It's just like, well, and it's really not your place, but you cannot deny Mary's love for her child. And I think being a new parent,

we do our best to give River the best life. And I think it's incredibly vulnerable and brave of Mary to acknowledge that there was a lot going on that she didn't know and she felt responsible for that. She's not some absentee parent. She's not some disconnected parent who just decides to all of a sudden give a shit about her son because she has a bunch

of other things going on. She clearly is involved in her child's life and despite that, still this happened. And the scariness around that happening is a very difficult situation, and I think she is. I think more than anything what she brought awareness to is the willingness to sit down with your child, even if you feel that embarrassment,

even if you feel like it's difficult, and connect in ways that you realize maybe you weren't connecting with your kid to save your kid's life. Because I think a lot of times if parents fuck up with their kids, they don't know how to handle it. So they don't do anything other than like clam up and like hope that things work themselves out and Mary didn't do that. And I think it's a very brave thing for her to do.

And I think we should send her all our love because yeah, that was just a touching moment in that episode. Yeah, I think Whitney sharing her feedback as well and Andy adding the context of they have never really been friends before the season and her just being like you sharing your experience has let my kids understand my father. Yeah. Yeah. It's actually helping people. I did shed a tear when Whitney like because you could tell during the entire conversation when Whitney was silent she was like really really trying hard to keep it together.

And when she just broke, that was like, yeah, it was like really, really genuine. I really don't wanna be over Meredith and Angie fighting over this topic. I mean, I think even Andy was like, what are we even doing here? Is this so fucking pointless? He called it a huge waste of time

and Meredith was like, oh. Yeah. She took it personal. Yeah, she was like, excuse me to you, but it's like, it's tired. I love her. But it is a huge waste of time and Meredith was like, oh, oh, oh. Yeah. She took it personal. Yeah, she was like, excuse me, to you, but it's like, it's tired. I love her. But it is a huge waste of time at this point. It's like, and Meredith wants to beat it down.

She wants them to like play all the clips and give all the proof and like be, and she's just like, clearly Monica was like, telling Angie one thing, telling someone something else, telling Angie a different thing, telling, you know, it's like, wait, I mean, it's just crazy. Even with like Angie's husband in the podcast thing where she was just like, I have it on my phone.

And they're like, well, we have it right here. And it's just like- It's completely different than what's on your phone. Yes, this person is literally leading Angie's husband, Sean, to answer a question and putting words in his mouth. The answer is given to him. So it's like, he didn't do anything wrong, he's just answering a question based off of how it was presented,

but he's not trying to call you any type of name or say that you're doing whatever with your son. That wasn't the point. Yeah, when Meredith feels wronged, there is no limit to what she is willing to do to make sure that people agree with her. Right, storm out of the reunion. I did not come for this.

But her ability to navigate people coming for her. It's incredible. And her willingness to discount everyone else's feelings because it's not valid to her, it's real something. I am very much Team Angie, but I will say if I was in Meredith's position where someone was telling me we're gonna play it, I would also be like. Play the clip. Play, play the clip. You're telling someone was telling me we're gonna play it, I would also be like...

Play the clip. Play the clip. Oh, you're telling me. If you're not gonna play it, I'm gonna leave. I loved how Meredith handled that. Because that's the only way to protect yourself in that environment is to know your worth. Meredith's like, fire me or don't fire me. I'm not fucking saying one more thing unless I get this, this, and that.

And clearly she got some version of her way. I was like, the only thing that didn't land with her was when she was trying to call out the list of names that she's been called on the show. And they were like, Meredith, you've said some pretty- And those are the ones I can remember. And then just play the clip of her being like,

you're vile. I love her. Reading people to film. Meredith's Mark's brain amazes me. Anytime we make lists of anything, I want it to end with, and those are what we can remember. Yeah, and those are what I can remember.

The funniest thing is her list was like, a lot of those weren't actually things she was called. It was things that she took from someone saying something. Yes. Yes. Like she took someone saying, oh, I heard you puking as you call me what we make. So it's like, okay, well. No one actually called you that. Also when Andy was like, so and so wants to know if you, Seth,

have a side chick in Ohio. And the whole time, Merit is like, wait, what was the question? She was like nodding, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait, what? His answer to that too, where he was like, what did he say? As long as marriage is above average,

over 51% of the time? Highly recommends commuting because he feels like you're going on her first date every weekend and his hand is a side chick I was like there's a lot of answers that were going on here where I'm just like why don't you just say no? I don't have a side chick and I love my wife very much. Seth is gonna goof if there's one thing about Seth marks He's gonna go which honestly is exhausting. Yeah, it doesn't land. It's not funny. As long as our marriage is at 51%. Who's your favorite husband?

Todd. It's him. Yeah. Todd's a no bullshit. I like a no bullshit man. What can I say? I like Justin. I love Justin.

Justin's Whitney's? Yeah. I like Justin. I like Sean. Who's Sean? Angie. Angie's. Oh, Sean's good too.

I like Sean. Well, I like Sean. I don't know enough about him. I like the way he has handled himself throughout this whole situation with being called gay. Like he's never like, how dare you say that to me? He's always like, you can say that to me. I just don't want it to seem like I would never, I would do that to Angie or Electra.

Exactly. And you could tell he really, really loves her and he really loves his family. Also it is weird when kids, all these women talk about these rumors and they spread the rumors, but yeah, it's pretty fucked up when you're spreading rumors

that eventually make their way back to your kid's school and shit like that. And some of them only seem to care about it when it's a rumor coming at them. Also, hot take, Lisa's favorite husband, John. Me too. I don't like John Barlow. Yeah, when he was telling Todd to watch his tone.

He's just as petty as his wife. Thank you. Also, John never talks until Lisa takes his muzzle off. He's a really supportive husband, though. I'll give you that. He definitely is supporting his wife. He is a die, yes. He is a diehard Lisa, like absolutely.

And you're right, that deserves credit. The only time I've ever enjoyed him was when he was parallel parking. Same. And that was really funny. He also looks like if John Waters was straight, which is funny. I did not appreciate his response

to Whitney apologizing to him. He was like, okay, sure, I guess. It's like she just, like what do you, she just like apologized to you. She was like, I didn't get a chance to like apologize. That's because after the commercial break, Lisa turned around and said, good boy. Also Lisa, Meredith and Heather on the couch together drove me crazy.

Like anytime one person said anything about one of them, all three of them started yapping at the same time, yelling at one person. And I one of them, all three of them started yapping at the same time, yelling at one person. And I was just like, shut your mouths. Each one of you can answer your own question. Like you don't all need to be like, don't talk about these things like that. That's what I remember about last reunion with Monica was that it was so chaotic and not one person could speak that it was so hard to watch.

Yeah, Sarah, am I wrong? Like, correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember like the split screens and reunions becoming a thing when like Salt Lake City became bigger. Like they always had the little boxes of faces, but like split screens came about because they were always interrupting each other. So yeah.

I also really loved this episode when Todd was speaking to Heather and he was just like complimenting her. Yeah. And it really like made me realize like both what I love about Heather and why I'm always frustrated with Heather. My favorite Salt Lake City season will be the season,

if it ever happens, where Heather is top fucking dog, where she sits on her throne of like, she stabs Lisa Barlow in the back, she stabs Meredith in the back, she's just like, Jen Shaw, fuck you. She takes no prisoners and she figures out a way to be the queen of Salt Lake City. And she starts being, I think she was born

to be a leader, I think she was born to be a star, but she doesn't believe it in herself. She doesn't think she can be the leader of a group. And that's why she's always following the likes of a Jen Shaw and a Lisa Barlow. And I think if Heather just believed in herself, she would be a million times less insufferable when she's ever insufferable.

And she's only insufferable when she's just like taking fucking orders from people who are less than her. Period. I think you read right into her. Well, what did you think of like the getting into the whole like emotional cheating of Todd and Heather being like well that's not what you said on the boat and like Her trying to like poke holes in the story the flashback supported what she said has supported which one Romlyn Romney

Yeah, like she never said anything about like it was just kind of giving like Rowan trying to have a storyline And then thought she could like use this storyline and then the other women were like, oh shit, emotionally cheating. And then they fucking ran with this like rumor and then Bron was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You know? I did think it was weird that Todd hadn't seen it. I'm just kind of like, if you're,

cause they did say that they're watching the episodes together and looking back at their relationship to kind of see what's working, what's not working. But I'm like, I think it's weird that y'all skipped over that episode specifically. And that's coming from a Bronwyn diehard. But I was like, And when Andy was like, so Gwyn is the one who caught you and he kind of looked like stunned and Bronwyn was like, yes. Like it kind of was like, he was like, I don't remember. And then she turned back and said, you're okay. Like you're okay. And it was like, yes. Like it kind of was like, he was like, I don't remember the job. And then she turned back and said, you're okay,

like you're okay. And it was like comforting him, but like the whole thing played out very strange. I feel like Browen like, yeah, I just, I think she was like trying to like, you know, open up. Like that's the problem with like these women are asked and expected to confess, like to share secrets because it's like if they don't share it,

someone else is gonna dig tea up on them. And I think Bron was kind of trying to control the narrative of this like tea and give her a little bit of like character arc and I think these women weren't here to play. And we got the meanings behind the five diamond ring promises that he gave her after the- Did we buy that?

Alleged affair. Well, he threw in what they meant. So, and one of them was fidelity. It's support, love, fidelity, transparency, and taking care of Gwen was the five promises that he made to her after said event happened that he didn't say at their wedding. When you say fidelity, it's like, I know what you mean,

but like infidelity is the word we always use. And it's like not that different than fidelity. I feel like we need a different word for like, and it's not that different than fidelity. I feel like we need a different word for faithful. Loyalty. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, wait, did you say infidelity? And I promise to be unfaithful for...

I feel like it was clear though, after their conversation, what actually happened. It was that he was, it was a coworker that became more of an emotional affair, if we use that word, but nothing actually happened. It made her feel uncomfortable, whatever was said in the text, but it doesn't mean that he was like,

oh baby, I'll see you tonight. Like it's not as, I don't think it says insidious. I also just, I mean, obviously I'm glad it came from Bronwyn and not one of the other women like trying to bring stuff up. I mean, clearly this was, I don't know how many years ago, didn't they say? But clearly they're good. I don't think this is something that they're still working through, but there is part of me that's like, what was the point in Bronwyn bringing this up? It's like for Gwen to watch it back and kind of relive that, or for them

to have to rewatch it and rel relive that or for them to have to rewatch it and relive it or for just like the world to know that like they are just like any other couple and they have struggled and they've had their ups and their downs. Like I wonder what her motive was for sharing this with all these women. I'm still kind of standing by my theory that I'm like, and Bronwyn did say it in the last reunion but it's like this, this fight, this need to be like best friends with Lisa and have Lisa see you and understand you. Like it felt like, because the only person

she was really upset about not giving the proper reaction was Lisa. So it kind of feels like maybe even then, like this was kind of like a hail Mary in the sense of like, how can I get on your level? I want you to see me as a human. I'm not just married to this rich older man and have no depths or have no problems.

So she, I think she was trying to like peel back the layers and hope that like her closest friend was gonna jump on board with her. And instead it was Heather, Whitney and Angie. I think it probably would have gone more positive if that would have been a one-on-one conversation with the two of them, with Bronwyn and Lisa. I was like 100%.

Even then I was like, Lisa was like, Todd's gonna be so mad about this. So it's like, even then she was like, you got upset because I didn't side with you because I was defending 100% and even then I was like, Lisa was like, Todd's gonna be so mad about this. So it's like, even then she was like, you got upset because I didn't side with you because I was defending your husband, but at the same time, why are you bringing it up if we're not gonna like dive into it? You know what I mean?

Or the fact that Todd didn't watch it back, it's just still, it still bothers me a little bit. Cause like he does, he should know what was said. Yeah. Yeah, I had been, I was listening to something about, there were people talking about Sundance Lisa Barlow Obviously Queen of Sundance and apparently some of them self-proclaimed Queen of Sundance and she was at Sundance recently and Someone had gone up to her and been like, oh my god. I'm such a huge fan of Salt Lake City

It's like the best show whatever and she goes. What do you think of Bronwyn? she goes, what do you think of Bronwyn? Living out her mind, bread and free. And that was like her first question. So Bronwyn is definitely on Lisa's mind. And Mary did say that Bronwyn is a fan favorite because she's so open and vulnerable. And I couldn't bring her. And unafraid.

Yeah. Doesn't need her money or praise or adoration or approval. I mean, she reads just very secure in every aspect of her life, you know? Heather, if you're listening, you're capable of so much more. Sometimes I think that maybe Heather, do you think something with the whole black eye thing

affects the way that Heather positions herself within the group and like within Bravo? I don't know, I feel like Angie giving us a little T on what it was like to go to high school with Heather was the most informative. Just talking about, again, according to Angie, Heather's desire to always be around the cool kids, the popular kids, and she always was someone

who kind of acted not like also a popular kid, but someone who very much wanted to be one. And that made a lot of sense given how like Heather moves around like the Jen Shaw's and Lisa Barlow's of the world. Where she's always like second in command. She's always kind of doing their bidding. She's like never. And again, Heather is,

I think Heather is one of the smartest people in the group. Like she's funny. I love Heather. I just get so frustrated with her when she just does the shit she does. We finally watched Rony reunion. I don't even feel comfortable commenting on it's so toxic. Yeah.

I mean, I think, I don't know if this episode was necessary. I mean, maybe the second one will be less toxic. I think the only thing that really stood out to me for this was the like proof of Brynn twisting Jessel's words about the love of her life. That was actually heartbreaking to watch. That was really hard to watch of Jessel being like, I'm watching this with my husband

and I'm having to be like, that's not what I said. And second guessing herself, being like, calling somebody being like, did I say that? Yeah, and like Brynn just not really having any remorse in her kind of trying to make the excuses for it. And Jenna kind of having to like spoon feed to her why it was wrong while also kind of not condemning her, but being like Brynn,

that was really fucked up what you did. And the fact that you knew that, brought that to national television, what are you thinking? And she's like, yes, I'm sorry. You know, it's not, it's because the, and like always making an excuse for something. So it's kind of hard with like, obviously the context of what's going on with Brynn too,

cause you wanna have empathy for her situation. But I do think it's some sort of coping mechanism or something from her past trauma to where it's like the truth is whatever she believes it is. And it doesn't really matter what the original story was. Which I totally, I get from a like trauma background. It's just when it involves another person's like private life. You know, it's like, I get like the missing,

you know, like confusing the truth with lies in her own life to cope and keep herself afloat during trauma, but then to bring in other people and twist their words and make what they say, that is just where it gets hard to. It's kind of like Erin's words in the finale, I believe, where she was just like, yes, you need to deal with your trauma

and your trauma is correct, but it also doesn't give you the right to create trauma for other people. Right, totally. I just love the, what do you actually do? And she's like, nothing, crickets. I do your job. No, she said I do your job.

I do your job. That's not an answer though. Which is not true because she does do PR for Big Oil. So. But why didn't she say that? I don't know, I don't know. The way every time I say something- Tracee said PR.

And Saia's an influencer. I know, but it's like- But I think PR in this, I mean, clearly we saw it with Lindsay Hubbard, it's definitely not something you wanna bring attention to. She's been vocal about it on her Instagram. The way I found out,

I found out from an Instagram post from Brynn in the first season, because there were a lot of things of being like Instagram post from Brynn in the first season, because there were a lot of things of being like, what does Brynn actually do? She posted what she did. One of which of the things that she claimed to do in this Instagram post, and if you look it up, it's corroborated, is that she worked in the PR campaign during the BP oil spill. I do want to say, I really appreciate Andy and Bravo giving Brynn the floor and then

separating that from the convolution of women feedback or whatever. She had the ability to say whatever she wanted to. And did she say it was someone in their crew? No, she said it was somebody that she sees frequently who courted her for a while and that she still sees till this day. It's somebody in her personal life that she knows.

She has to deal with. Gotcha. So that's why she never wanted to name anything. Why she didn't press charges. No, it's heartbreaking. It really is, and it definitely explains a lot of her behavior. I think when you're actively dealing with that

and going through that and living through that, it affects your behavior with other people. And I can see how she's acted the way that she has. But I think, yeah, Erin said it perfectly of like. You can have your trauma but. Don't make it for other people, yeah. 100%. This is gonna be triggering for you, Mary.

I don't, honestly, 10 of lines, I don't get it. Wow. Not her and her Balenciaga luxury bathrobe, she was gonna return. Lovely. I love her. But what, like what makes her. Lovely. I love her. But what? Like what makes her so like-

She's fab. Like why do people fawn on her over her? I don't get it. Like even Rihanna said she was her favorite housewife. I mean, I get it. She's highly successful, but like- I don't know. She's just kind of that bitch.

She has the certain genesis. Yeah. Genesequoia. Maybe in person, but like not through the TV. I don't know. What is this saying where it's like it's not for you to get fine. And I get that she's for the girls, for the girls in the game.

I'll absolutely go fuck myself. But I'm for the girls in the case. And she was even in an episode of Girls. Yeah. Playing Hannah's boss. And that was. Yeah, definitely not for me. But like, what what is she doing for you?

She's being a nothing all at the same time. She showed up to reunion in a bathrobe that's luxury. That looked good for me to be like. I can do that. I thought it was beautiful because Jenna Lyons gives me hope that, not that I will ever be anything like or look anything like Jenna Lyons,

but there's something about Jenna where I'm like, wow. I think if you know her background, you'll think she like. That's for me. It's iconic. Yeah. And I was wearing a bathrobe and a little. She made J. Crew, but we like modernly know J.

Kouras dressed the presidents, like the Obama administration. She like. And to be clear, I'm not critiquing her professional accomplishments. Yes. I just like as a, as a housewife, I don't get it. To be fair. I was like, all of the girls did say that they were annoyed by the fact that she gets to pick and choose what she shares on The show and I think if we did get to see a little behind the curtain

It would be a lot more and then when she does something that I do I kind of like giving slightly of problematic It's kind of giving she's like oops. I was a little embarrassed but like what else it's like I love I love that. You know, I kind of love like an ice cold queen. Marriott, Jenna. Ice cold, it's more, I'd rather be like, yeah, I don't give a fuck. Rather than pretend the, anyways.

I understand, I can see and understand your criticism for her as like a television personality. I just am biased because I love her. So she could say nothing and I would be entertained. I'm clearly in the minority. It's just like, I'm constantly being told that she is next to God. And I'm just like, I don't get it.

What if I told you this, Jenna Lyons had her own reality TV show solo about her before Roni. I mean, good for her. Was it watched? I think her personality carries within itself outside of a reality TV character. Was it super successful? No, but you know.

I think she should host Project Runway. Yeah, okay. All right, well I think that does it for this episode. We will be bringing back Bev Hills on Thursday. I mean, like, I don't know, we didn't cover it last week because of Heidi and Spencer, but like, you know, Dereen and Kyle still figuring it out. Once again, tomorrow, Carl Radke

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