The Viall Files - E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules

Episode Date: February 13, 2025

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Are you guys the type of people that need to be at an airport like way before your flight? I am. I like to get a coffee. Sometimes I like to browse the gift shop. I need two hours. Yeah. I don't like any security surprises. I get patted down every time. So I need a cushy little window, but I'm cool. That's that. Right in the dangerous.

Those hands weren't inside out when they pat me down. Girl. Are we ready? What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the VyLFiles Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick. You watch Baby Girl? You wanna start there?

I've watched Baby Girl. Thank you for watching it without me. Honestly, I felt like, I'm really glad I watched it at home. If I were one of those people who went to the movie theater and sat beside other people while I watched that, I would have really struggled. Is it hot?

Um, you know, I wish it would have been maybe a little bit more relatable kinks. When I was a child. Oh boy. Oh, okay. Interesting. I just always remember movies were rated G, PG, PG-13R and it was like NC-17,

but you never really heard of those movies and it was basically porn, but they never came out with a movie that was like NC-17. Should this be NC-17? This was not porn, no. I mean, there was really not as much nudity as I went in expecting there to be. Then what's the problem?

But Nicole Kidman does have an amazing pair of boobies, I will say. Good for her. Good to see them. We get to see Nicole Kidman's boobies. Oh. How's Nicole Kidman? I don't know, but anything Nicole Kidman does, I'm a fan of, I will say. Good for her. We get to see them. We get to see Nicole Kidman's boobies. How's Nicole Kidman? I don't know, but anything Nicole Kidman does, I'm a fan of. I'll watch.

But like I said, I wish it was maybe a little bit more relatable kinks. I don't know, and maybe this is me kink shaming people, but I don't know how many women want to be treated like a dog. When you say treated like a dog. It was like get on your hands and knees and put a tree in his hand and wanted her to crawl over and eat the tree out of his hand type of thing. No thanks. You know, so it was like.

Whose kink was that, his or hers? I think both of theirs, obviously. She's 57. Did you watch it? Defying gravity and time. Yeah, but you know, it definitely, it went a lot of places I didn't see it going. There was a lot of like, oh my God, okay.

Did you enjoy it? Um, it was a nice way to pass. There was a lot of like, Oh my God. Okay. Did you enjoy it? It was a nice way to pass. What was River doing? She was asleep. She was napping. She was napping and I thought, hmm, what a good time to like watch this movie that I've heard so many mixed reviews about. And I will say Harris, Harry, Harry Dickinson, Harris Dickinson,

handsome man, easy to be like, okay, I wanna watch him and Nicole Kidman. But it was just very odd. It was really odd. I think my main takeaway is like, I wish it, I think it would have landed better with the women if it was like a little bit more relatable. Was Harris more appealing to you in the first five minutes of the movie

or in the last five minutes of the movie? Ooh, good question. Well, definitely the first five minutes of the movie or in the last five minutes of the movie? Ooh, good question. Well, definitely the first, for sure. But then it's weird because then, it's all about she has this affair on her husband, her husband's this French man, and then he ends up submissing the husband. Is that the right word?

Dominating, no, dominating the husband. Oh, so we have like- Harris. Harris, so it's like he has some superpower. Suddenly I'm watching. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, not like to that extent, but definitely to an extent where you're like, I wouldn't expect that to be his reaction.

Is it like the husband is like in the closet watching this happen situation? No. Okay. No. So it's not a- Cucking. A cuck.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's like he's having a panic attack and who does he go to for relief? The man who has been fucking his wife. When you say relief, like a therapist? Um, like a. Good question. And his, and Nicole tries to like help him. This is very spoiler alert.

So if anyone was trying to watch this movie, I'm very sorry. Well, you were giving a review. I was giving a review. Yeah. If you haven't seen it by now, you'm very sorry. Well, you were giving a review. I was giving a review. Yeah. If you haven't seen it by now, you don't get to like call Debs on a movie. It's been a minute.

It's been out since Christmas day. We're in February. We're in the FYC campaign. Christmas day. Yeah. But so he's like having a panic attack and his like wife tries to comfort him, Nicole Kidman. And he's like, not you.

And then Harris Dickinson is like, come here, come here. And he's coming to Harris. So very interesting, very odd. Would I watch it again? I would not. Hot. Would I recommend it? Probably not.

Yeah. But if you love Nicole Kidman and like, I mean, she's a phenomenal actress. So it was like fun to, you know. Did you like the club scene that everybody's talking about? Club scene. Where like she looks so lost and she's just standing there with like the fans. Yeah.'s talking about? Club scene. Where she looks so lost and she's just standing there with the kids.

Yeah, she kisses a girl in that scene, which this extra gets to kiss Nicole Kidman, so pop off for her. Not a bad day at work. Not a bad day at work. They were like, you're booked for the gig. And she was like, okay, here's my script. Wow, perfect.

So all she did was make out in the club. All she did, yep. Why am I never God's favorite? Honestly, honestly. It might be too short for that role. Wow. To kiss Nicole Kidman? Wow, I'm too short to kiss Nicole Kidman.

Isn't she really tall? You can stand on a thing. I can get on my tiptoes. Apple box? Okay, she was married to Tom Cruise. I'm probably the same height as that man. I didn't mean to offend. I can get the platforms.

But I will say, I woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. Oh. Yeah, I know. Why? What did he do? What did I do? It wasn't Nick. Physically or metaphorically. It was my own doing. What did you do?

I took a shower last night, washed my hair and did not get all the conditioner out. And I found out this morning, the back of my head is like a swamp ass back there. So don't look. Yuck. Yeah. The front looks good. Don't look at the back of my head is like a swamp ass back there. So don't look. Yeah. The front looks good. Don't look at the back.

The back is out of my business. I can't see it. I don't know what's going on. Well, we have a great episode lined up for you today. We have Olympic gold medalist and World Cup champion, former American professional soccer player, Kelly O'Hara is with us to talk about all things reality TV. She's watching Traders and Barely as Housewives,

Summer House, she's all into Bravo. And then later in the episode, along with Kelly, we're gonna have Boston Rob himself from Traders zooming in to give us all the inside tea about his time on Traders. You're super excited about that. Plus, Sierra's got something excited to share with you. I do have some exciting news for the Vilephiles.

We are starting a newsletter. Woo! And on our website, you'll be able to sign up by adding your email, but it's going to help you stay up to date with all of the shows that we're watching, introducing you to some of our envy media shows, disrespectfully, humble brag if you're not familiar with them, our Vilephiles Plus, and just exciting news

about what's going on at the Vilephiles, what we're watching, what we're loving, recommendations from Natalie. We'll throw in some of my like monthly favorites from your like to know, shop her closet, recommendations for River. So for your babies, so it's gonna be fun. You're not gonna wanna miss anything

that we are updating you on. For all the people that's in the show, like we think of you as also a member of the household, but really to be a member of the household, I think you really need to know what's going on here at the household. So sign up for the newsletter. I think we're gonna drop it when?

Monthly, starting Friday, Valentine's Day. Starting Friday, Valentine's Day. Follow us, go to our Instagram, our Vilephiles Instagram for more information. If you want to sign up for the newsletter, information will be on our Instagram, so check it out. Well, Bachelor Nation is up in arms for two reasons. One, something Grant lied.

I'm still very much Team Grant. Obviously, on the episode on Monday night... Rose told Carolina that Grant told her that he was thinking of her while he was on stage with Carolina. Carolina went to Grant, didn't say that Rose told him, but by process of elimination, he figured out that Rose told Carolina this, went to confront Rose to where Rose said, I could have sworn I heard you say that. Now there is a clip resurfacing.

Do we have the clip? We do. But I still kind of think mine and Leia's theory was kind of right though. I think how he's saying it versus how she heard it. I'm not really holding back from saying I told you so. Two different things. Very interested in you, like even today, right?

You know, the whole dancing thing on stage and everything. I was thinking about you. I don't want you to feel like I'm not paying attention because I am. He also doesn't say, when I was dancing with Carolina, I was thinking about you. They were all dancing on stage at some point. So like, he could have just been like, while I was dancing with Carolina, I was thinking about you. They were all dancing on stage at some point. So like, he could have just been like,

while everyone was dancing on stage, I was thinking about you. I have a take. He didn't specify Carolina. Leia's bursting at the seams. Please Leia. I have a take. This is what I think happened.

I think that there was some miscommunication with Carolina and Rose. And I think Rose communicated the conversation the way that Grant said it, where he was kind of just like, I was thinking of you guys while we were dancing, right? Harmless statement. But Carolina- Harmless statement? Yeah. By Grant.

I think what Grant said was harmless. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, you're right. Grant's was- I think what Grant said was harmless. I don't think that he's at fault. I think what happened was Carolina inserted her name into the conversation that she had with Rose. And she was like, Rose said that he said- You think Carolina is the messy one in this scenario?

I think Carolina is the one who is making this messy. I'm not saying she is necessarily doing it on purpose, but I do think that maybe she's embellishing, maybe she is like inserting her name where it wasn't. And I think that when Rose was maybe telling the story to maybe a larger group of people, Carolina miscommunicated what was said to her to Grant and took it a little bit out of context,

which made Rose look really bad. Well, Rose did say her and Carolina were having a private conversation while getting ready, and that's when. Yeah, and while I do think Karolina is a little messy. Even if they're having a private conversation. Whose team are you on here, Leia? I'm on team Rose and team Grant.

I think Karolina, I think we will come to find that Karolina messed this up a little bit. You think there's more to be revealed on this story? She thinks Kar Carolina was being messy and added herself where Rose was just saying, I was thinking of you while I was dancing on stage. And then Carolina adds in, while I was dancing with Carolina.

I think she's saying that Rose is saying it in the general context of how Grant said it and that Carolina is hearing it as a personal dig to her. I think the biggest takeaway is Bachelor needs to, and maybe you can give us some insight in if they'd ever do this. They need to go Bravo. But go Bravo and give us a flashback.

You read my mind. Why don't they do flashbacks? No. It could be messier. They are taking, I mean, like they did the Casa Amor on Bachelor in Paradise, like they aren't against like changing the secret sauce, you know, the ingredients to the show, but do you think they'll ever?

They've done a flashback or two here or there, but it's not part of their like. It's more like introducing characters or like reminding you what season people are from, but not like as evidence. But if that would have been the perfect example to do that because they knew it would stir up something online of people like pulling back the footage.

It's like, you might as well just show us. The problem in this particular drama is that Grant did, it does appear that Grant technically did say the thing that Rose claimed that he did say. I do think, I think Rose is the messiest person in this scenario. Carolina, she clearly is messy. That's been evident.

She's grinding with that man on a stage. But in what context did Rose need to say this? Why is she speaking on conversations that her and Grant are having with someone else? She said it for a reason, and that reason is what? Other than being messy. I could kind of believe too that maybe it's the little one-upping, where they're just kind of like,

oh yeah Well, I had this special moment like oh my god Well my special moment or whatever and that's what I'm saying is that maybe one person didn't take things personally where the other person did I feel for Grant because in this I believe that when he was like I would never say that and yours this speaks on my Character that he was in that moment. He thought he was telling the truth. Yeah. I really believe that. 100%. And I like the way that it was delivered from Rose in the context that was delivered,

I think Grant heard that and was like, I would never do something like that. Like I would never just, yeah, he's just like, I would never do something like that. I do think it was a throwaway comment. And he's again, like he's trying to manage, literally manage a group of women because they're all looking at him as like, kind of like, what should we do next? You know, he's supposed to manage, literally manage a group of women because they're all looking at him as like,

kind of like, what should we do next? You know, he's supposed to solve all the problems and he's supposed to make them all feel good and seen and heard and validated. It's like, it's a minefield. And he's just trying to survive this minefield. Grant was collateral damage here. And like, again, Rose is just messy.

She was so, so messy. Why? I have a soft spot for Rose. Carolina was messy. How? Because Carolina is the one who told Grant the story. Rose was just there when Grant went to her and said, did you say this? And she was like, I thought I heard that.

But Carolina is the one who communicated the conversation back to Grant. If I, I mean, listen, if I- Yeah, if anyone's gonna change the story, it would be Carolina. Except, listen, if I- Yeah, if anyone's gonna change the story, it would be Carolina. Except, listen, if I'm Carolina, right, if you're Carolina, wouldn't you be a little perturbed that if Grant in fact said that?

Yeah. She's having a moment. And in Bachelor World, any one-on-one time, no matter where it is or what context, it's like winning the lottery. It's like you're programmed to be like, this is the biggest deal in the world. And she heard that her friend, another woman,

like that the bachelor was like, I was thinking about you when I was dancing with her. That wouldn't kind of annoy you? That wouldn't make you feel a certain way? I can see how it's annoying, but also I'm like, you just got off of a private jet Vegas date. He's literally like hearing you out and like giving you all of this attention and validation.

Who started this? Who started what? This whole thing. Carolina. No. It came home. Rose did. It was never a thing until Carolina made it a thing.

It was never a thing until, how am I? Carolina spiraled. It was never a thing until Rose said something to Carolina. It started there. If Rose doesn't say anything to Carolina, it doesn't go anywhere. But you don't know what Carolina said to Rose

to where Rose felt comfortable to say that to Carolina and Rose didn't spiral, but Carolina did. We don't know. What we do know is that Rose brought it up to Carolina. Right, and we also know that Carolina not only spiraled, said she wished she never went on her one-on-one with Grant because this comment broke her down so much. That's after she said, that's after Rose said something.

If Rose would have said this to one of the other women who were there, because he did not say, while Carolina and I were dancing, he just said, while everyone was dancing or while we were dancing, you were on my mind. So if she would have gone to Latia and been like, oh my God, Grant said that he was thinking of me while everyone was dancing, or while y'all were dancing,

or while he was, she wouldn't have been like, oh my God, I have to go to Grant and be like, what the fuck? I feel like what you're saying is making my point. Okay. No? Period. She went to Carolina.

We're just saying that Carolina's messy, not Rose. We think it's this whole thing. I mean, they're both messy. They're both messy. We know that Carolina is messy in general, but this particular dilemma, Rose started it. She did. How can you argue that anyone started it but Rose?

Rose told Carolina about a private conversation she had with Grant. That she should not have said. She should have said to anyone. We don't have the footage of that because it was off camera and off mic, so we don't have footage of that. We're just going off of what Carolina is saying back to Grant. What could have Carolina said that would have made Rose in a position to be like, well, he was thinking about me too. Why did she need to say that? In what context was that a nice thing to say to someone maybe opening up about a special moment she thought she had with Grant?

Hey girl, how you doing? But explain to me, in what world. He was thinking about me while he was dancing with everyone else. In what world is that not a messy thing to do? You're right, no, you're right. That is messy. No, I think in a world where you're debriefing with your girlfriends

and it's like, oh my God, he said the sweetest thing to me and she wasn't even thinking that Carolina would put herself into that story because she was probably's like, oh my God, he said the sweetest thing to me. And she wasn't even thinking that Carolina would put herself into that story. She was probably just like, he said the sweetest thing to me. So Rose isn't thinking, but Carolina's messy? Well, Rose, because what he said was, when we were dancing, I was thinking of you.

And he never said when me and Carolina were dancing. And Rose probably just said like, oh, he said the sweetest thing to me. Like he said that like when we were all dancing, he was thinking of me. But we don't know what she said, because there is no footage. You're just making shit up. he said the sweetest thing to me, like he said that like when we were all dancing, he was thinking of me. And then Carolina probably, and then Carolina probably, there's no footage.

We're just like guessing. You're just making shit up. And again, like the fact that Grant, you're right, the fact that Grant didn't specify Carolina and that Rose said something to Carolina, she made Carolina feel like that's exactly what Grant said. We don't know. But we know she said something,

we know she started it. I think we have a bigger dilemma than this. Yeah, what's that? Oh yeah, well, Bachelorette is canceled. Sure. That too. My biggest dilemma. Definitely.

All because of this feud. I can't sleep at night. It was gonna be Rosar Carolina, but now canceled because of this. No, I mean, that is kind of fucked up. Apparently Rachel Recchia said that like, they had already picked one and she knew who it was and they were like. I find that is kind of fucked up. Apparently Rachel Recchia said that like they had already picked one and she knew who it was and they were like.

I find that highly unbelievable. That they've already picked one? It's February. If listen, anything's possible, but it would be the first time in my experience with this franchise of over a decade that they would have selected a Bachelorette this early. If they're gonna pick a Bachelorette

from the most current season, they let the season play out. They find out who the fan favorites are. They see what people think. They wait, certainly until like women tell all taping, to get a sense of like who the fan favorites are. But they definitely don't pick the fan favorite. We've seen that time and time again. Sure, I understand that.

But like they also, you know, they, there's no reason at this point to like make a selection. Have they had conversations with a handful of the women to see if they would be interested? Probably, possibly. That could be five or six. I do believe that maybe a conversation was had with one of the women, and that person went around

telling everyone they were asked to be the bachelorette and then found out, because that happens all the time. But I think it's crazy that they are putting it on pause. Well, another kind of rumor is that basically Mormon wives is going to replace the Bachelor time slot. That's interesting. But isn't Mormon wives only an hour long and Bachelor is two?

Bachelor is usually two. And also I know back in October, they announced that, Variety announced actually, that Hulu was where Mormon Wives season two was gonna be. So it's like- But what's interesting is that Rob Mills, who runs Unscripted for ABC, he's also in charge of Hulu and Disney Plus.

So he's kind of in charge of all of them, and there's just a lot of symmetry or- Synergy. Synergy or whatever. Thank you, Mary. Cross contamination. Cross contamination. Cross contamination. Cross contamination. That is how it feels. Absolutely,, Mary. Cross contamination. Cross contamination. Cross contamination. That is how it feels.

Of course. And I think they're still trying to figure it out, but Rob Mills would be the person to decide to put Bachelorette on pause. And I think he has the, you know, right now, like during grant season, right, they're re-airing season one of Mormon Wives following The Bachelor.

Yes. Which, you know, Which sometimes when strikes have happened and things like that, they've aired like Showtime shows on CBS because they're owned by the same entities, things like that. Or so maybe they're trying out Mormon Wives on ABC to see how it does on the network television. But it is scheduled to be released on Hulu only,

but it's still possible. I could see it possible that ABC also has it as well. There might be like contractual obligations between who gets what first. Obviously with Bachelor ABC, they air it on Monday nights and then like the next day it's available on Hulu. So it'll be interesting, but that's definitely possible. I don't know why they felt like they had to do one

or the other. Like there's five days in a week. Or maybe it just worked out like that. I think there's a deeper rooted thing here and maybe we should dig. Should we dig? Okay. But I have a bigger dilemma.

Oh, share it with her. That I'm trying to get out here people. I wanna hear. Are you f-ing kidding me? I'm losing my mind. If you're the first in bed, do you have to run the nightly errands? Oh my God. If you're the first in bed. We you have to run the nightly errands? Oh my God.

If you're the first in bed. We almost got divorced. Like you both, we almost got divorced. What's the nightly errands? Like getting the water, locking up the doors, turning off the lights, turning off the TV, letting out the dogs. That doesn't make any sense if you're the first in bed.

So you and Connor, you're like, all right, let's go to bed. You go to the bedroom, brush your teeth, whatever, get in bed, Nick, Connor. teeth, whatever, get in bed. Nick, Connor. I'm like, Nick shows up. And then what do you do? Connor comes in and you're like,

honey, could you like grab the water? Yeah. He goes and gets the water. 100%. What if he got in bed and was like, no, you go get the water. That would be crazy. That's crazy.

Yeah, you're already in bed. You're already in bed. You're already in bed. So whoever's in bed first. This is a lie. The other night. That takes effort for you to crawl into bed, by the way. It does. The other night I'm in bed, cuddly, snuggly, warm,

under the covers, very cozy. Nick. Let's really paint an accurate picture. Sure. Every night I shut down the house. But not very well, so I shut down the house. But not very well so I have to double-check. 95% of the time I cover it all. Which it's a handful of errands. Including getting her water. Okay. Which she can't seem to do on her own before

she goes to bed. Yeah of course not. It is a man's job. You don't want to get the mother of your child water? Yeah. Thank you. It's not a job, no. If everything is my job, then it's never an act of love. But you also ask for that water in the middle of the night. Oh. Once a month. Oh right, you share water. Continue.

I also took out the, it was garbage day the next day, so I had to take out the garbage the night before. Did you have to put your shoes on for that, or you already have your shoes on, ready to go? I had to put shoes on for that. Oh no. Yeah. It's really hard.

I had to go back and forth a few times because Nellie had various requests. What were they? I don't even remember, but there were too many. Convenient. Do you? Shut this, grab that. She's just barking out orders.

Like I'm not, she doesn't remember. Finally I get in bed and then she, Nellie. Before you got in bed. Nellie wants, I could get in bed every night and just go to bed and just close my eyes and dream about my family. Whenever you're ready to hear the truth, you can circle back to me.

I can't wait. And Nali wants to watch TV. Nali couldn't find the remote. I could give a fuck if we watch TV. I'm ready for bed. That's not true. You weren't ready for bed. I was absolutely ready for bed.

You were not. I definitely. Whenever you're all ready for bed. That's not true. You weren't ready for bed. I was absolutely ready for bed. You were not. Whenever y'all are ready for the truth. I definitely, I definitely, I didn't need to watch TV. And now he's like, I can't find the remote. Can you go in the living room and grab that remote? I'm like, absolutely not. No. I put my foot down because it was just like, I'm always getting out of bed.

And this one time I was like, if you want the remote, go get the remote. Because every once in a while, a request sounds like an order. Sorry. I'm just kidding. Whatever. You know, talk your shit.

That was really good. Talk your shit. That was a good snore. That was a really good snore. So the truth to this whole story. Oh no, if it's proceeds, I'm, no, it's proceeds. I Okay trying to shut a woman down I'm refusing to get the remote He doesn't want your side, he knows you're right. That's enough. You're done. He's stalling.

So, the truth to the matter is Nick does his own nightly routine. He's got all these like pills he's popping, vitamins he's taking, shots. So he's like, he lets the dogs out to pee. And he makes the water, and then when he lets the dogs out to pee, he's got to shut the door. We have the sliding door so we put those little poles up behind the door so no one can break in from my intruder syndrome. Lock the doors, turn the lights off.

I'm back there scrubbing my face, doing my 16-step nightly routine, which I feel like is a little bit more strenuous than what he's doing out there. I manage to finish before he comes back. Get in bed, pull the covers up, quite cozy. Dibs. Hop in bed so I don't do shit. He comes in and it's 9.30. Okay. 9.30.

And so- Well past my bedtime. I'm like, let's watch our show because we didn't get, we had to watch all of our homework. So I'm like, let's watch our show in bed. He's like, okay, cool. And I'm like, where's the remote? He's like, I don't know. I'm like, is it on your side?

He's like, no. And I'm like, well, could you go and get the one in the living room? Takes off his clothes, gets in the bed. No. I'm like, are you serious? He's like, I'm not doing that. I don't need the, I don't need it.

I don't need it. So then I'm like, okay, well then I'll sing myself to sleep. So I start singing. Then he opens his laptop and he starts getting on Twitter, doing whatever the hell he's doing. He's like, I don't need the TV, I can do research. And I'm like, okay. So then I get my Kindle and I'm like, I can read.

I start reading out loud. And then he turns on music. Reading out loud. He turns on music. And then I turn on ambient noises. To the loudest volume. And we're both like, get out of bed. No, you get out of bed.

No, you get out of bed. You guys sound like the stepbrothers scene where it's just like, I'm gonna hit you with bricks. That's exactly what it was. And then she, it was even more annoying than reading loud. Then she was reading with a whisper for 20 minutes. Which one was worse, out loud or the whisper? Because after a while, after a while,

the ambient music that I was playing, just to like drown her out, I had thought she stopped. And then I turned on the ambient music, only for her to hear, sss, sss, sss, sss, sss, sss, sss. Oh, you're still going. But wait, this sounds like, could all of this have been avoided?

If now you just got her ass out of bed. Had you just gotten the water in the remote? Literally, literally. It was that easy. It's not my job. It is though. When you're the last in bed, it is your job to do. Sorry, it's a race and I beat you that day.

It is shotgun. It is shotgun. It's shotgun rules. It's shotgun rules. Total shotgun rules. So anyways, glad we got that covered. Did y'all see that Mandy Moore posted about Amazon delivering a package to her in-laws house

that had burnt to the ground? So messed up. Like just left this package on top of burnt bubble. Who was at fault though? Amazon. Amazon, you took the, you put it down in front of a non-house. You show up to the address and you're like.

I feel like that one can go back to the factory. Like, I think the driver is definitely at fault. I think the driver is delivering to the address that- I mean, listen, I get it. I wouldn't do it, but you're doing your job. You know what I mean? But really you're gonna set that package right there and be like, oh, they'll come and get it

if I ring the doorbell. Like, come on, you couldn't put it back on the truck, take it back to the warehouse and be like, hey, so this house is burned down. That is what I would do personally, but I do not know what, you know, and like at a big, they have so many deliveries. Who knows like what their protocol is for like,

you have to get this done. You have to get this done at what time speed, you know? They have like those really short windows. They were just on strike for like being overworked, but still I'm like, if I'm delivering a package, if anything, I'm skipping the house that doesn't exist. You added more work to yourself by stopping, finding the package, getting out of the car,

leaving it on the rubble, getting back. You added yourself another five minutes. You saw a burnt house in the street. The house isn't there. Keep going, go to the next neighborhood. I would not personally do that. That's crazy. They also have like Amazon places

like at Whole Foods and whatnot, where you can pick up stuff at a locker. Just to play devil's advocate. I don't think he needs it. I love it when she says that. What if the driver thought that the homeowner like had ordered something that was helping clean up or fight the rubble?

I don't think that driver was thinking of anybody but his lazy ass out that day. Like, I don't know. But Amazon thinking of anybody but his lazy ass out that day. Do you think they were Gen Z? I don't know, but Amazon did respond and Amazon put out a statement saying, we've reached out to Ms. Moore via Instagram. Oh, we love it. Their social media marketing person for Amazon DM'd her

to apologize for this and to ask for more information from her in-laws so we're better able to investigate. What happened here? What's to investigate? I had a package, my house burnt down, you left it. They said, for weeks, we've advised those who are delivering on our behalf in Southern California to use discretion in areas that were impacted by wildfires,

especially if it involves delivering to a damaged home. That clearly didn't happen here. So they put out a widespread being like, hey, don't do that. Being like, it's our workers' fault, not us as a company. And Tony was like, hey, I'm gonna leave it anyways. Well, it probably was the employees' fault. It definitely was., it's our workers' fault, not us as a company. And Tony was like, hey, I'm gonna leave it anyways. Well, it probably was the employees' fault. Definitely was.

It was definitely the employees' fault, but I could also see a bigger picture of like- Being overworked. Being overworked, what they have to do, how much they have to deliver. I don't think it's an excuse for doing that. How much you have to be overworked to like see a house that no longer exists.

That's the thing. That is very true. I just think it's also a thing at the same time. Both things are true. Maybe it was Gen Z. Maybe it was Gen Z. You know, as a Gen Z, I would probably do that. Well, one in six companies are hesitant to hire recent college graduates. Why? Well, in August, Intelligent.com surveyed 966 business leaders involved in hiring decisions at their company to explore attitudes towards hiring

recent Gen Z college graduates. 75% of companies report that some of all of their recent college graduates they hired this year were unsatisfactory. Six in 10 companies. Some or all. Damn. Damn. Six in 10 companies fired a recent college graduate

they hired this year. Nine in 10 hiring managers say recent college graduates should undergo etiquette training. A majority of companies, 79% report that they had to place at least some of their underperforming hires on performance improvement plans and 60% report some were eventually fired. Why do we think this is? What do you think, Nick?

Are you Gen Z, Lea? I am on the cutoff year. You're on the cusp. I'm also a cusp variable, I'll say. You're not a cusp. I'm also a cusp, I will say. You're not a cusp. You're not a cusp. We're not cusps. Yeah, no, they say that a lot of us that are from like 1999 to 2003 are the ones that grew up through the recession. The COVID was during our primitive years of high school, college.

Wait, so am I not Gen Z? I don't think you are. No, I think you're a cusp, if anything. I do think people perpetuate a narrative that all Gen Z is lazy. I do know a lot of lazy people, but I also know a lot of ambitious people. I think there's also a lot of employers can't be stern and strict with their employees. Or direct. Whereas I thrived when I was in the workforce. I thrived on I needed someone to be like,

you have to do better, absolutely not, that's not gonna work. I needed that. And it would like, if I did not perform well, it would make me emotional, I would cry. Like I needed to be, and I don't think a lot of- I think there were a lot of gentle parents out there. And bosses aren't gentle parenting. And I think, while not all Gen Z employees are like that,

I do think overall, my interpretation is Gen Z expects less of themselves, but I do think there's a heighten increase in general, maybe not across the border or with everyone, but. Well, you know, who isn't a Gen Z, but I also think deserves respect. Paige from Summer House. Have you been seeing that she's basically the Super Bowl she was seeing with her man that works for the Eagles? Is this the same guy that it was like zoomed in really far and it was like Paige and mystery guy

or Adam Eagle? She looks like she's in a relationship already. She definitely is. So like then I'm curious, does she owe Austin an apology? I get that there's nothing more irritating than people who aren't you talking about your life and acting like they know more about you than you.

But if they get it right, well, Austin basically, like a week ago or something like that, tweeted out or commented. Watch What Happens Live. Watch What Happens Live and basically said, the rumors about Paige moving on with her life aren't rumors. Yeah.

And here she is. Oh yeah, that seems to be true, right? Holding hands with this guy. And then, I don't know. And here she is. Oh yeah, that seems to be true, right? Holding hands with this guy. And then, I don't know, like the internet slews. Apparently, like Paige took a selfie in what looks like a bedroom. There's a bed behind her, maybe it was a hotel room. And apparently this is her new man's man purse

in the background. He posted a photo too with a friend in the same room with the same headboard, same carpet. I'm a little surprised that Paige is dating someone who wears a man purse. Yeah, so am I. I struggle with that. I find surprised that Paige is dating someone who wears a man purse. Yeah, so am I. I struggle with that. I find that to be shocking.

It's not a man purse. It's like a cross-body satchel. Even worse. It's a man purse. I feel like that kind of- It's a cross-body and it's close to a fanny pack. I feel like it kind of sounds like a little on point though that she would want a man that accessorizes.

And also I just need to clarify, he doesn't work for the Eagles. He's a senior vice president of football marketing at Clutch Sports. Okay. Either way, Paige seems like she wants us talking about her. I mean, she's not hiding it. It's not subtle. It's not subtle. And like, she has the right to date, but like, you know, people are going

to have their opinions, you know, especially when Craig has a broken heart. Yeah. It's good for her. It's interesting too, because on the other side of the cast, Lindsay Hubbard unfollowed her mans. So I don't know what that means. They were just at a pediatrician appointment together. Yeah. Good for her. It's interesting too, because on the other side of the cast, Lindsay Hubbard unfollowed her man's. So I don't know what that means. They were just at a pediatrician appointment together. Oh, well she doesn't follow him, so.

Maybe they're still co-parenting. How do we know they're at a pediatrician appointment together? Well she posted a picture being like, a baby's two month appointment or whatever and a man was holding her. I would imagine the man holding her would be the father of the baby.

Maybe it's Paige's new man. Or it's her pediatrician. Yeah, could be a pediatrician. Or maybe he deleted his Instagram. Was there a man purse also in the background of that photo? No man purse, but it was giving like lobby of pediatrician, dad holding baby about to go back is what it was giving, but.

That man has the size of Craig. Can that be Craig from the back? What? No, I feel like Craig's taller. This man looks, yeah, this man looks small. Paige is very tiny. You're right, Paige isn't that tall. And she might be wearing wedges,

but the fact that that's her in heels and that's his size. And those clothes do look very baggy on him. He's drowning in it. In other interesting news, I guess, Mormon wives, Jen Affleck, pregnant. Shocking. It's a little shocking. I was not expecting that.

What's the storyline? I don't know. You can't leave me. It was a surprise, but they're very excited about it, is the storyline. But it's weird because it's like their social media presence very much makes it like, are they, aren't they? Doesn't seem like she posts with him or like she doesn't post it all really anymore.

And then all of a sudden it was like not wearing a ring in videos. I think I really struggle with Mormon Wives because I can see how hard they're working to get people to watch season two. And it's like, it's very transparent to me and it's like hard for me to believe anything that they say or do.

When they're like, oh, they unfollowed each other. Oh my God, these two are beefing. It's like, y'all are really just trying to get that. You know, it's hard for me to find it believable. I mean, I'm with you in the sense that I think they're professionals. I don't think it's as subtle as they think it is. I think maybe it's more subtle for other people.

But I mean, it's just a very popular show. I don't think they're like desperately doing it. I just think they're doing it because they know how to keep the people interested. You know, I mean, I wanna see how Jen Affleck and Zach, how they went from... Possibly divorced. Either whether, I don't know what was true

or whether they were leaning in, but that looked like a really broken relationship when we had Jen come in. She called her husband a narcissist. Right, she got like a new apartment, was like being videoed with no brain, and then like not posting at all falling off the face of the earth.

And then it was just like, here's an ad every once in a while, like didn't expect like the next thing to be like, and I'm pregnant. But also, like, is it a really issue? Like, did she just post a video in her friend's house and we made up the narrative of buying a new house? You know what I mean? Because she was going back and forth with like wearing a ring and not wearing a ring. That's a lot of times that I like don't like I only wear my band and like won't wear my

engagement ring around the house. And like, if people, I don't know, I'm sure people see that and be like, why isn't she wearing her engagement ring? But maybe it was being cleaned. I'm like, are we the issue? Yeah, it's like maybe, yeah. Like the problem. Honestly, most of the times I think we are. I don't know.

I don't know anything about that. I do know she was sitting right there on that couch and I was like, do you think your husband's a narcissist? And she was like, yeah, totally. And that's something. Yep. So. We need a love is blind season in Utah. That doesn't exist, right? No. And that's something. Yep. So we need a love is blind season in Utah.

That doesn't exist, right? No, like that would pop up. Why haven't they got that? Well, we do have love is blind Minnesota debuting Minneapolis debuts tomorrow. So we'll start covering that next week. We'll do the first three episodes on Tuesday and then the rest of the batch on, on Wednesday. So, uh, if you're following along with us,

be sure to watch that this week. And up next, we have Kelly O'Hara. You may know her from the Olympic women's soccer team. Also, she had an appearance on Ben Higgins season of The Bachelor. She and her fellow co-star made an appearance hosting a soccer date. Anyway, she's with us to talk a little housewives

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Thank you, Apostory, for sponsoring this episode. Kelly, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me on. We're very excited to have you. I'm stoked to be here. How have you been? What's new? I retired from soccer.

How long ago? That happened in the fall. To recently. Yeah, yeah. Has that been kind of a huge life adjustment for you? Yes, yeah, yeah, it has. But I kinda, I had a bit of- Are you okay?

You wanna talk about it? No, we don't have to get into it, but no, I'm But I kind of I had a bit of... You want to talk about it? No, we don't get into it. But no, I'm actually surprising. I had a long time to process it because I kind of saw it, the writing on the wall, just because of some physical things like my knee's not great. And I had a doctor tell me you need to retire like two years ago. So I had I had time, but I am surprised, like pleasantly surprised with how much I've enjoyed the other side. Like I'm officially done and people keep asking like, how are you doing? Because the teams are back in together and I think they're worried. Yeah, they're like worried about, you know, how how I would be handling right now. And I'm like, I'm I'm actually really good.

So, yeah, OK, life's good. And I can't believe I did it for so long. Now, knowing the other side. How long were you a professional soccer player? I started in 2010, so 14, 15 years. Was soccer something you, like your parents put you in at a really young age and you kind of grew up playing? I started playing soccer when I was four.

Four. Yes, yes, little, we called it Muppet Soccer in Georgia. I'm from Georgia, by the way. Oh, Louisiana. I know. So I started playing that, but I played a ton of sports growing up, which I'm so thankful that mom the way. Oh, Louisiana. I know. So I started playing that, but I played a ton of sports growing up, which I'm so thankful that mom and dad had me do that.

But soccer ended up being the one that won out. And I think the best dad and therefore did. You enjoyed the most. Our daughter just started walking. Okay, and have you put a ball at her feet yet? Now I got her a soccer ball. Smart. It's in her Valentine's Day basket,

so she hasn't gotten yet, but she did pick it out at Target. I love that. Does it have little, is it like red and white or like have hearts in it? It's all pink. Oh, beautiful. It's like neon pink's Day basket, so she hasn't gotten it yet, but she did pick it out at Target. I love that. Does it have little, is it like red and white, or like have hearts in there? It's all pink. Oh, beautiful. It's like neon pink.

Oh my gosh. I didn't really, I mean, I guess I haven't, like it's my first kid, so I haven't really, I've seen babies walk before, but I haven't really paid this much attention. When a kid learns to walk for the first time, it's as if they learn how to fly. Meaning? Truly.

She's really getting confident. Two weeks ago it was just a couple steps. Yes. And now she'll like, I'm just gonna have to show you. I don't know how else to do it. But like she'll walk and then she like, will just turn around and like, like as if she's flying.

Right, right, right. There's no like real direction of why she's doing it. But like, it's like, you know, if you learned how to fly, you would zig and you would zag. True. And you would go up and you would go down. Yeah. Her energy in her face is like,

I can't believe I can do this all of a sudden. And she's like, I'm gonna go left, I'm gonna go right, I'm gonna turn in circles, it's pretty great. Yeah, she's like, I can literally do anything. I think she's pretty athletic. I was gonna ask, does the walking look athletic? Because I feel like you can kind of tell early on. Who knows, maybe I'm just like-

I was gonna say, is that dad-biased? Definitely could be dad-biased, but she's giving athletes. Okay, I love that. She is. Yeah, that's exciting. She's very determined, she likes to pull giving athletes. Okay, we love that. Yeah, that's exciting. She's very determined to pull herself up. Today, it was a little scary because she stood up in her high chair.

Oh, she wasn't, because you had to strap her in. Well, at first it was like she didn't know how to stand up. We were always by her with the high chair. So yeah, I'm about to get parent shamed out there, but we weren't buckling her in, we are now. That's fair, you didn't have to, you didn't have to. Well, yeah, so she's a very determined young lady.

But it will be interesting to see like what kind of thing she- Takes two. Yeah, gravitates to and takes two. It was a red soccer ball at the park that made her walk through sand for the first time. So I was like, that was motivating enough for you. So that's why I got her the soccer ball.

But she has a little basketball net and she knows how to put the basketball in the net. So I think we're off to a good start. Maybe we'll have a Kelly O'Hara on our hands. Who knows? We can only hope. We can only hope, truly. You're not so lucky, you know?

You can only be so lucky. So rumor on the street is you've filled up your retirement with watching some of our favorite programming. Yes, so I got into reality TV. Well, I've always been a reality TV fan, but I got into Bravo because of my sweetie pie. She got me into Bravo during COVID. Well, thank you for that.

Yes. And cause she watched Housewives and I was like, I don't get it, you know? Like it's not interested, but then when you had so much time in your hands, let's get into it. And I have been a fan since. Yeah, do you have a favorite franchise?

I think Beverly Hills is the most entertaining. New York this season has gotten better. I enjoyed the originals, I guess. Yeah, but it's nice to, cause I didn't, I got in so late that I didn't know all of the past history and drama. So it's nice to like, okay, I can start from the beginning. That's easier.

I love Summer House, Southern Charms, very good. Winter House I thought was quite entertaining as well, but they're obviously not doing that anymore. Have you been watching Salt Lake City? So I didn't watch it a ton. And it's so funny, she'll put it on and I'm like, she's like, you got to watch. I'm like, ah, you know, I watched in the beginning of Salt Lake because it was a new one. So it was easy to enter. I didn't have to know.

So you entered and gave up on it. A little bit, but I also think I have a little bit of like, I'm pretty bad at focusing, so I just get, yeah, attention is not held sometimes. Well, last night's episode, did you watch? Salt Lake? No, Beverly Hills. Oh yes, I did.

I actually watched it in the car because I fell asleep last night watching Southern Charm in bed, but I did watch Beverly Hills. Did Sutton's mom remind you of anyone in your family? Georgia? Yeah. Well, it's funny.

I'm like, ah, you can tell that she loves Sutton so much, but she's just like a hard ass, you know? And there were certain things where she would say something and it would almost be like, is that a slight, like is that rude, but she's joking. And she's like, has like a little bit of a smirk, you know? Yeah.

So, but I feel that was a, it was a heavy episode. Heavy. Really heavy. I was triggered. Same, I was like, I might start crying in the car and like I put on mascara. I'm very much team Miss Reba. You are. Oh, 100%.

Okay. The Garcelle. Oh my God, I was so triggered by that. Oh, 100%. Okay. The Garcelle. Oh God, I was so triggered by that. Were you? You don't think Garcelle was just trying to like, trying to almost open the door for Sutton and her mom to have that conversation?

Maybe. I think that's what she was, because I actually don't think that one at the end would have, their conversation at the end would have happened. I agree with that. Okay. I agree with that wholeheartedly. But you're like Garcelle had no business doing that.

No fucking business whatsoever. I said to Natalie, it was like, if fast forward, if River makes friends with someone, and regardless of what happens as River gets older, there will be some conflict between our daughter and us. Hopefully we have a healthy relationship, but at some point we'll piss her off. I don't know, she'll have a gripe.

I don't know. I don't know what's gonna happen. But if one day our daughter brought over some cameras and her TV friend sat Natalie down and on camera started lecturing her about her parenting, if Natalie killed that friend, I would probably be fine with it. But that is the most out of pocket shit that Garcelle did.

Really? Sutton knew. Oh my God. Sutton knew. What? Sutton knew. Yeah, Sutton up the table being like, Garcelle's outside with my mom.

Did she know? I'm scared. No, did she know exactly? 100%, Sutton knew that she brought Garcelle there for that reason. Yeah, well when her mom responded, well I don't think it's any of your business, I literally was like clapping. Well it was a great response. I'm 100% certain that she brought Garcelle there for that reason. Yeah, well, when her mom responded, well, I don't think it's any of your business,

I literally was like clapping. I was like. Well, it was a great response. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. But I do, I think, I don't know, what do you? You know, I think because I see so much

of like my family in Miss Reba, that I definitely do feel like Garcelle overstepped. Especially like, and watching Avi kind of roll his eyes at her. Like they're in her house. They're in, you know, and he's like acting like she's... I kind of hated him then. Well, they're technically in Sutton's house. But who takes care of it?

You know, like the mom lives in the backyard. I don't think Reba does. I know she lives in the backyard. I feel like she takes care of the house more than Sutton does. She's at that house, I feel like more than Sutton is. So when Reba's like, I don't like that ice and Obby's like, ugh. It was funny though.

Yeah, it's like. It's like a lot of things. I just like, you know, maybe I'm a respect your elders kind of guy and she's older and like, yeah, I get it, it's Sutton's house. But like if Sutton has like trauma with her mom, I get it. But like it doesn't give her, like Sutton's people permission to if Sutton has trauma with her mom, I get it,

but it doesn't give Sutton's people permission to come in and kind of give the same energy that Sutton gives her mom. Also, I see so much of Sutton in her mom. Oh, yep, yeah. It's like, clear as day. And at the end of the episode, her mom was like, you turned out being just like me and kind of laughed. Yeah, exactly.

No, I think it was Garcelle or maybe it was Kyle who said, tree, apple. Like it's literally, yeah, it's so obvious. And listen, my heart, like it was a heavy episode and you know, listen, it's, every time there's a heavy episode like this with Mary talking about her son in Salt Lake City, I think there's always these questions about like, you know, should they be talking about this? I've just kind of decided, I think there's always these questions about like, should they be talking about this?

I've just kind of decided, I think it's very unfair for us as fans to like judge our favorite reality TV stars and pick and choose like what we think is kosher or okay to talk about or not. When like we demand great entertaining television and then when they give us like heavy dramatic personal shit where we're watching and be like, I can't believe they're talking about this on TV, I just don't think we're in a position to judge.

Yeah, I agree, but I also, that's why I am a fan of the Housewives, because I think that they end up talking about things that- They show up. Yeah, that people are uncomfortable, and are very real, and do happen in the world, and people need to, and that to me is a opening for like a family or friend

or relationship to have a conversation. Yeah, I just like, for me, Garcelle, like playing therapist, like trying to- With a therapist. With a therapist, trying to psychoanalyze her. Cause like if I were to play a therapist, like just out of, just as a guest, like it wouldn't surprise me at all if like, you know,

don't know a lot of background about something's like upbringing, but it seemed like her dad was struggling with some mental health issues and some substance issues and things like that. And it sounded like a man, as Sutton referenced, was sick. Wouldn't surprise me at all if maybe like her mom covered for her dad a lot and a lot of issues and maybe covered for him in ways

that maybe like protected his memory. And who knows, that's definitely a possibility. And when like Sutton's mom was like, you're speaking on things you know nothing about, it really kind of gave that energy of us like, I'm sure Sutton has her opinion and she has her lived experience and she has her feelings, but her mom has her own as well.

And I think often our kids grow up and they have a perception of a reality that may not be reality itself. And I don't know, like maybe that's a scenario where like, cause Sutton clearly has this adoration for her father who has passed and this clear resentment for her mother. And kind of opened up or she kind of low key,

when she was like, there was a gun in the house and blah, blah, blah. Like it was giving blame a little bit. And I feel for Sutton, I'm glad she could open up about that, but like clearly this was heavy. And again, knowing all this for Garcelle to walk in there and start being like,

we just met, let me tell you what you're doing wrong as a mother. Right, but do you think Garcelle knew all of that baggage? I think, again, Garcelle only knew what Sutton's. I wouldn't walk into it. You were like, I would know better to not bring that up. If I were to call out a mom for her, and, you know, I would want to know exactly what I'm dealing with.

Yeah, that's fair. Do you think the family who lived in Sutton's hometown knew that her father had killed himself in that moment? That was my first thought when they walked in the door. I was like, do they know? Right? So anyways, used to live there. Yeah.

My dad in that room that y'all love so much, actually, I mean, I feel like that has to be in... There's no way they didn't bring it up. You sign, you close on the house and it's like, and there was a death in here. Like you've got to know that before you buy a house, right? I don't know. Don't they have to disclose?

It's like state by state, but I know in California, I think it's like within three years of you purchasing it, that they have to disclose it. But, and I think if you ask or if you inquire about it, that they have to disclose. That's my first question. Any house I've, we've been house shopping and it's like, you go in and it's like,

has anyone died here? I need to know that. Has anyone died here? Am I gonna be haunted by ghosts? De-balloon ghosts. I think anything's possible. You've never been in the same room with one? Well, we did go to this soccer camp,

ODP soccer camp in Alabama at Montevallo. Do you know what Montevallo is? Have you heard of it? Is it a college? I think it's Is it a college? It's a college, right? I think it's like a community college, I think. Maybe. Maybe.

But that's where the camp happened every year. And word on the street is that it's haunted. So that's my only time that I have been in an area that was potentially haunted. And I will say it was a bit creepy. Do we know why it was haunted? I don't know. Some apparently, allegedly there's this door

that like looks like flames and that a girl might have died in the room and that showed up on the door. I don't know. Crazy. Listen, fact check me, who knows. Listen, being from Savannah, it's like the most haunted city in the United States or something.

Is it? That's what they say. My sister lived, had a house downtown Savannah and there was one room and there was for sure a ghost. And I mean, like the dog would only bark in the corner of that room. Things would like, lights would come on, lights would go off. Ghosts are real.

Okay. Can you bring back your Georgia accent? Only if I'm in Georgia and I need to like charm somebody. Why do you feel like you lost it? Do you think it's just like being around? Both my parents are from Pittsburgh. So I didn't grow up with like a Georgia or a southern accent but in growing up in Georgia I can do it if I need to and I can bust that out but you know we're not gonna do it on here. What are you making of the whole Paige and Craig breakup?

of the whole Paige and Craig breakup? Ugh. Well, I just watched Southern Charm last night, from I think last week, and the farm scene. And I'm like, was that the moment that Paige said, you know what, I'm not interested in having a farm? Yeah, all the goats like nibbling on her designer shirt. Yeah, like when she walked, when she started to step away from the bees,

I was like, oh, she's out. She's done here. She's not interested in this at all. And I feel like they, when they started their relationship, they both were, wanted the same things, right? Like grow their businesses, really dive in and lean into that aspect of life. And I think that they both have very clearly

and have had great success. But I think now Craig is like, I'm at a point where I want a family. I potentially want a farm. I bought bees, you know? And Paige is like, I still wanna live in New York City and do my own thing and I'm not ready for that. And I think that's very fair for both of them.

Him buying bees is a... Well, he couldn't have chickens, so he went with the bees. But that's a move on the chessboard. He was like, I'm gonna buy these bees. That's a commitment. I think that was like a passive aggressive move by Craig to be like...

Towards Paige? Yeah. To be like, I am. The settling down. It's just like, well, you won't, if we're not ready to get engaged, either way, I'm buying something that I have to nurture and take care of.

Right. And invest in. Yeah, it's not like he adopted a cat. You know, like. No, he was like, I mean business, I got bees. You can't just drop the bees off at a foster. Yeah. True. At Maine Society.

They need TLC. Some might say you could leave the bees, go on vacation, and it would be much easier than a cat. That's true. I don't know. You could just open the top. Right, right. Leave. I think I went either. I think honestly Paige that was kind of like at that moment like absolutely not. No, I really was like I'm very I would love to know like at what point did she start to be like this isn't the person and or the relationship that I want to be doing it on.

I wonder if Honey at this point is triggering for her. I love Honey. Have you seen the Summer House trailer yet? There's a scene of Paige and Craig at dinner and you can tell it's a heated conversation and she's just like, what am I supposed to apologize for being independent and unsuccessful saying they clearly don't want the same things.

But it's like, I think, yeah, we're seeing the beginning of it. And then we're gonna start seeing that phase where it's like, you're trying to talk yourself into it, but also don't have the energy to like pretend. We all know it. We do. We've been there.

And it's, yeah, I... I just feel for Craig's broken heart. I just know. Oh, he's for sure going through it right now. He is, he was. And she is moving on. She's moved on. Yeah.

Yeah, she's. Holding hands. But to be fair, if it happened on Thanksgiving, what is today? February, like it's been two plus months or almost two months, right? Listen, I think people have the right to break up. They do.

They have the right to move on. Well, I mean, you know, when it comes to public figure breakups, people act like they don't. No, that is. There always has to be a villain, you know? And I don't think there needs to be a villain. But, you know, if you have a very public relationship and you are being public with your dating moving on

is a choice. And I've been in Paige's shoes before and I'm not saying one's better than the other. I made a different choice to go out of my way to not... I think there were also two breakups. There was the one in November, and then the one when she announced it on their podcast. That's a really good point, Natalie.

And it's like he could have healed, and then now to have the whole world know and questioning and seeing her date and seeing all this, it's like he's going through it again. But wouldn't you say, wasn't he seen with somebody or presenting single out in the world, therefore she felt like,

okay, well then I'm gonna announce it because- I don't know the details of that or if he just was like out and at a bar and there was a picture taken and women there. You know, it was like, I don't know if that's the same- He's around the opposite sex, he's single. Paige seems like she's in a relationship. What do you think?

I don't know if she's holding hands. Apparently she's posting selfies in her bedroom where his stuff is, the sleuths are sleuthing. Oh wow, we have those. Apparently his man purse is in the background. Who is this man? Joe D'Amelio. Secret man.

He works in sports marketing for the NFL. He doesn't want to move to South Carolina. Okay, does he live in New York? I think so. Okay, well there you go. Or Philly or he doesn't have honey. Check one off the list. He doesn't have honey bees.

No honey bees. Not interested in farm life. Are you into Southern hospitality at all? No. Have you gotten into that? I haven't. Were you gotten into that? Were you a Vanderpump rules? So I only got into Vanderpump because of Scandival. And I had to go back and watch all of the season,

like Scandival happened and Cameron was like, you will not believe what is going on. And so then I had to go back, rewatch it all, listen to all y'all's episodes. Cause I was like, I need to hear what they're thinking, these perspectives point of view, insane. Where did you land? Did you listen to the episode with Tom Sandoval on this?

I think I did, yeah. Yeah, he wasn't he late or something? That's what I remember the most from that episode, because I'm just, I can't like be late. He was late and came in with the photo of him with the like endangered species tiger. What? And like every frame and was like, here you in with the photo of him with the like endangered species tiger. What?

And like every hair is like reframed and was like, here you go Nick. And Schwartz was like, absolutely not. Absolutely not, get this out of here. No. Oh my God. I've been enjoying watching him on traitors though. I really am too.

Do you think he makes it to the end? No. No. No. Not smart enough? No. Okay. No. I think he smart enough? No. Okay. I think he's gonna make it far enough,

I think he'll make it farther, most people think he'll make it because he's not a threat. Right. Yeah, no one's taking any of his theories seriously. Although he did. But post-Boston Raw. Right. He shot down the giant.

And it was all him, he's the only one who came up with that. I do think he will not get- The broken clocks. I think he'll get murdered. I don't think he'll get voted out. I think that will be his exit will be murdered because he just like won't shut up about Danielle or Carolyn or one of the new traders.

And they'll be like, oh my God, we just gotta kill Tom because he just won't shut up about us. Like, I don't think everyone at the round table is gonna be like, Tom, you're a traitor. We gotta vote you out. Do you find him in any way endearing? I did during the bug game, when he was holding hands with Dylan,

because I like love Dylan. And when he was just, I think it's like when the bugs rained down there on his hat and he was just like. How would you be with those critters? I would probably have to keep my eyes closed. Yeah, it would not. I don't think it would be that.

I was really impressed with Dylan. Yeah. I was like, that's a man. Also, Sam. Yeah, Sam, Sam was like, cute. Look at that little tailed scorpion. I've never seen one before. You know? He was so excited about that.

He was like, look, I think it likes you more than me. It's crawling off my hand. He was like naming that and wanted to take them home. It was so sweet. Oh my gosh. I don't know if I could have done that. Really? Oh, there's, oh, I could do that over like

an eating challenge for sure. I don't know if I could have done that. Really? Oh, there's, oh, I could do that over like an eating challenge. For sure. You know? You like eat bugs? Sure. Yeah, or like on the challenge, that's an- I'd rather have bugs on me than manes.

Would you rather eat a bug or have them on you? The snake would have- On me. The bugs wouldn't have mattered to me. The snakes I would have, the big old snake I would have. Yeah, do we think Sierra had any idea that it was a snake? You know how her eyes were closed the whole time and she was just like, what is it?

What were the other options? I don't know, but I'm like, what are they thinking? Like a weighted blanket? What is it? It's like we're giving you a neck pillow, a weighted pillow for the airplane ride home. It feels like a hose. It says traitors on it.

It moves. It's a memorabilia. It's engraved. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I don't know what else It's memorabilia. It's engraved. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I don't know what else you could think it was. Yeah, I, you know, but honestly, I feel like in that scenario, ignorance is bliss.

And just being like, I don't know what it is. I don't want to know what it is. If anyone would have said a snake, I probably would have freaked out, but in my own head, I probably would have been telling myself. Weighted. It's a weighted neck pillow.

Yeah. I mean, I would be under the assumption that the producers would never do anything that would actually harm me. Therefore, it is truly just my own fear getting in the way and I need to get over that. Would you ever do special forces? I would.

Have you been asked? I have not. So if you know anybody. I do. I'm curious, I wanna know your thoughts. I listen to- I think you need to go. Really?

Especially someone like you. Who like, I don't know you, but I would imagine you're competitive. I imagine that you like testing your limits and seeing what you're capable of. Now that you're retired, maybe there's a void in your life at times, feeling like, you know, pushing yourself to the next level.

And like it very much will offer, it's a rewarding experience, I'll say that. No, I mean, it looks very rewarding. It looks terrible. Literal torture. Truly. Make no mistake. It's not like torture.

No, no, no, it's just. It's literal torture of them putting you through a real life military simulation. Were you minute by minute by the end, just being like, I just gotta get through one minute. One minute. Five, maybe more like five, literal, like if I'm being literal.

Five minute increments. Five minute increments. You're like, I've survived another. Just like, just don't quit. Do you feel like they had, for instance, me saying, I know the producers on Traders wouldn't put any bugs that are actually going, like it's a. Well, that was just about to.

Do you feel like you did things that you were like, I could die? No, you learn on special forces, Bodie Miller, he was on my season, Olympic downhill skater. And he was like very helpful because he's like, he kind of does stuff like, he was like definitely the dad of the unit.

And he talked about the difference between being scared and being unsafe. Like, you know, the difference between fear and safety. And so that premise of like, we knew we were safe doing these very scary things. Okay, you did, you did feel safe. I did feel safe, yeah. Cause some of these, I'm kind of like, that could go.

There's been injuries. The one where they, this season, where they jumped off the bridge and then it caught without any slack. I'm like, did they all get whiplash? Are they okay? And then they started to swing. I'm like, you go all get whiplash? Are they okay? And then they started to swing. I'm like, you go a little bit of degree

off from the path, you're hidden. It's not without risk. But for the most part, I did feel safe. Okay, well that makes me feel better. The challenges, that was the fun part. So the miserable part was like, what, sleeping at night? No, they don't show a lot of, even the boat races or like the endurance stuff,

they're showing a fraction of it. It looks like you're watching 10 minutes, it was three hours. You're waking up at 7 a.m. and until midnight, you're going 150%. Did you train for it? I had like two weeks. Really?

Yeah, so not really. I mean, I basically was working out three days a week and I like upped it to like four days a week. But I wasn't like- You guys will do it. I didn't really do any training. I like a week before I started taking like cold baths. Oh.

To try to like, you know, but I was hyperthermic for three days in a row. What do you mean? On day five, they woke up and like did this, what they call a bee sting and they, you know, the obstacle course and they had to like jump in freezing water and I just, there was a scene where Aaron had to put me

in the hot shower. They flipped it around and made it seem like it was at night when I was in the morning. But from that moment on, I just, I couldn't warm up. I couldn't warm up because they're also decreasing your calories throughout the week. So you're working.

I love food. No, it's prison. That was the hardest part. It's prison food. It's disgusting prison food. There's no comfort. There's no, it's literal, and it's a test of your will. It's a test of-

How many days? Eight to 10, depending on the course. But they'll be- People act like they're, every time they say, only eight days? It's eight days of peer torture. Yeah, no, it sounds like it. Even watching from home, I'm like, this looks miserable.

Yeah, and you can leave whenever you want. Do you think hot version or cold version is harder? Well, I was hypothermic and that really sucked. Yeah, tough. I would say the cold version. The thing with the heat though, it's like one of those things, like the heat can catch up on,

you know, like if you don't hydrate enough and something happens, you could get like medically withdrawn. All of a sudden you get heat stroke or something. Like, so I think that that could put someone at risk of it catching up with you quicker. But- Were you ever at risk because you were hypothermic?

The doctor called me in once and was like, are you okay? What do you need to warm up? They were just like, is it gonna get harder? But they checked in with me. How much running did you have to do? This is me just quizzing you, I just wanna know. It was a lot of run. It was, because I can't really run anymore.

So I might not. It's, you're running with a 40 pound back. Yeah, that probably would make it even more difficult. Yeah, the park's hard. So you're not sprinting, but you're always- I can kinda shuffle. Yeah, there was never an all out, it's always a job.

They just wanna see you do the best that you can. They just don't wanna see you trying to slack out of everything. That's true, yeah. It's all about not quitting. You're like, I can't sprint, but I'm doing the best I you can. They just don't want to see you trying to slack out of anything. That's true. Yeah. It's like, I can't sprint, but I'm doing the best I can. I'm moving. Then like, yeah. I'm yelling at you, but they definitely won't disqualify you for not sprinting. No, it's definitely one of the shows that I would be interested in. That and Traders. I would love to go on. You need to go on Traders.

I heard you saying that they hit you up last year, right? They've hit me up. A couple times? A couple times, but. All right, why not? Well, up until this point, it's been tough with the show. I'm busy, you know, and Natalie was pregnant. Yeah, it just hasn't been easy to get away. Someday I hope I get the chance

where it works out for both parties. Maybe we'll do it together. That would be so fun. I would love that. Would you rather be a Trader or a Faithful? I would be the worst Trader in the entire world. I don't think I'd be a good Trader. I think I would be the worst traitor in the entire world. I don't think I'd be a good trader.

I think I would be much better at catching. Same, I think that I can reason, but maybe it's because I'm sitting on the couch knowing who the traitors are. I'm like, obviously it's this reason that they're doing it. Yeah, I think there's a lot, from a viewer standpoint, I think they're making us feel smarter than we should be. For sure.

And then you get in there and it's probably just a mindfuck. I mean, that's what every time we interview one, that's kind of what they say when we're like, it's so obvious Danielle. And they're like, it's really not. Like we've definitely thought her a few times, but like it's not as obvious. To be fair though, Danielle is more obvious

than Carolyn right now. Oh, 100%. But only because we know. No, because of some of the things that she's done during the competitions. When she like didn't pick herself for the picture. Yeah, yeah. Like what are we doing? But again, we all know that she's done during the competitions. When she didn't pick herself for the picture. Yeah, yeah. What are we doing?

We all know that she's a traitor, so we're watching it through the lens of why would you do that? But even they were like, no, that was suspicious, why didn't she? But then nobody went down that path. Keep in mind, editing. True.

Where they're going back and all of these like, yeah, she did that are in these post-moment interviews. Like we call them iTunes. Oh, that's true, that's a good point. So they're going back and interviewing them. And they're like, isn't it suspicious that Danielle was crying and no one was saving herself? They're like, yeah, it was suspicious.

Oh, you're like, you know what's happening. You've been in this position, so you're like, the producers are feeding them these questions. Yeah, potentially. I'm just saying we don't know that's not the case. And everyone we have talked to, and we'll talk to Boston Rob in about 20 minutes if you have time you can stick around.

Oh my God. I would love to just even sit in the room and hear what he has to say. But yeah, the feedback has been like, we had no fucking clue it was Danielle and yeah, you all think that like we should have known but like she really had us, you know, fooled. I can't believe you don't think you'd be a good traitor.

I actually think you'd be really good at it. I'm not, I don't like to lie. Me either, I would crumble. I'm not a good liar, you know? I've said this on this show before and people were like, but you did the best in the interrogation at Special Forces. It's like, that's not like, not the same. Yeah, you're like playing a role, which I guess my thing,

when I first started watching Traders, the way I thought, I was like, wow, this is kind of messed up. People are actually able to lie face to face with people. Just consistently, you're just lying the whole time if you're a traitor. But then I was like, no, they're playing a game, Kelly. That is the game. And if you get tapped to be a traitor,

you then have to be like, to win this game, the only thing I can do is lie. Yeah, you have to think of it as like, I am an Oscar-winning actress. Correct. thing I can do is lie. Yeah, you have to think of it as like, I am an Oscar winning actress. Correct. And I'm filming a movie. This is my moment. Yes.

And I will shine. Yes. Not like I'm lying to my closest loved ones. Yes, yes, no, that's exactly, you know. I would be curious how I could do as a traitor, but I would have a lot of fun hunting the traitors. I would feel, yeah, I feel like I would be way calmer if I was a faithful, if I was a traitor,

I would be so stressed the whole time. I would be Yeah, I feel like I would be way calmer if I was a faithful, if I was a traitor, I would be so stressed the whole time. I would be thinking, did I do something that they now think they saw me scratch my ear and turn left, you know? Not to pivot, because we'll jump back to traitors when we have Boss and Rob on. Can we go back to Beverly Hills Housewives for a second?

Like where do you land on Dorit and PK's divorce, specifically around the friendship with Kyle? Right. Because after last night's episode, it's really getting messy. Like it's the divorce. Like I thought this was like, first I was like, okay, they're separating for the show.

Oh, you thought? I mean, I didn't really know and it's possible in TV world. And then we have like, we have Mo and Kyle, like they are getting divorced, but they're still keeping the family together. That's always very confusing every time they get together. We're like, why can't they get back together?

Because they're always so civil. They are so cute together. And thinking about the family. I don't know, up until the past two episodes, it turns out that I thought PK was just the manager of Boy George and he's wearing tracksuits and trying to embezzle money from England. And then next thing you know, you got Garcelle and Bose.

But no, who was the one who told Dorit to like that PK is buying up all the lawyers in LA? Oh, that was Bose. That was Bose, okay. And I was like, where does PK have this power to like to get all the divorce lawyers in LA? I know, I was like, that seems expensive. Seems, yeah.

What does he need? Yeah, exactly, I'm like, what? That wouldn't even cross my mind. I will say I have appreciated how outspoken Erika has been, or just she's tried to help Dorit in this time and giving her advice, because it's clearly necessary. I don't know if I'm just like missing something,

but the 10 year mark is coming up and he's trying to divorce her before that because they have a prenup in place and he wants that prenup to be what decides the divorce or not. My understanding just watching the show. So we're both going off about the show, but my recollection of that scene was

apparently in the city of California, I don't know this to be true, that regardless recollection of that scene was, apparently in the state of California, I don't know this to be true, that regardless of whatever prenup you have, that if you are married for 10 years or more, 50-50. Because California in general, as one of two states, Wisconsin and the other one, it's a 50-50, basically every state

has their own prenuptual laws. If you don't have a prenup. You have a prenup, it's just by the state. You have a prenup, it's just by the state. In California, it says you get married immediately, everything is 50-50. In California, it's like, sure you can have a prenup, but if you make it 10 years, you gotta follow our rules,

is my understanding of what they said. And apparently they're coming up on their 10-year mark. But my question is, who's that in favor for if they were to end up hitting the 10? Oh, does he want her money? Yeah, I'm like, is he drawing this out? I don't know, because like, yeah, she is a Beverly Hills housewives. They all's getting his money? I don't know, because like, yeah,

she is a Beverly Hills Housewives. They all like to pretend that these people don't have jobs, but like I would guess the Beverly Hills Housewives are probably some of the highest paid housewives. I would think so. In Bravo Nation or just Bravo Talent in general. And again, like I know PK like manages Boy George, but what does this man, like what does he do?

Doesn't it like the past two episodes make the relationship between PK and Kyle like that much more like what the fuck? If they're still texting, yeah. The read and Kyle are supposed to be friends. And I get that like Kyle and PK have become friends over the years of this marriage. You still have Mo and PK hanging out,

but if PK really is playing dirty and trying to screw his wife and his wife and just go to the mattresses as they say, that seems really fucked up that Kyle is maintaining this relationship with PK while PK is trying to basically screw over his wife financially. Yeah, I don't disagree, but I think what's funnier is that, that wasn't funny, I don't know why I said that,

is that Dorit at that dinner, and this is why I'm like, maybe Kyle doesn't realize how bad it is. One, I don't think she does realize maybe the dirtiness playing, whatever, behind the scenes between Dorit and PK that's happening. But Bo's and Erica being like, honey, he's placating, like he is trying to calm you down

to catch you off guard to then take you for all, but again, I'm like, who's trying to get divorced quicker? PK. It sounds like PK. It sounds like PK is trying to get divorced quicker because he's trying to not go over the 10 years. Right. And he said in the text. This is all speculation. No, this is what he's trying to not go over the 10 years. Right. And he said-

This is all speculation. No, this is what he said, that was said on the show, that he texted her saying, like, I want you to be able to take over the house and the kids, whatever it is, within like the next couple of months that you're fully responsible for it. And that's a text message that he sent to Dureet.

So that says to me, like, I'm trying to separate our finances, trying to separate any responsibility that I have with you, so therefore we are separated going straight into divorce. At the same time, I don't know if it's possible, because I feel like getting a divorce in California is one of the harder things to move along. I feel like it's always a year or so out.

If someone wants to delay it, they can. Yeah, but you can't get an expedite on divorce. If he was to serve her divorce papers before the 10 years, does that- Constitu ideals now. Does that mean that they beat the 10 year mark? Was that not the most confusing conversation to follow? Which one? With Dorit being like, he, we had a conversation- And he was normal PK.

Yeah, and it was like, no, he didn't say that. It was she, he, they were saying that. And then the kids were- I didn't even- Nick and I were like, no, he didn't say that. It was she, he, they were saying that. And then the kids were, Nick and I were like, do you follow what the fuck they're talking about? It was a confusing story ever. But then finally they were like, no, when they broke it down of like, he is trying to like corner you and calm you down

so that you don't strike back, it all made sense. But for a while there, I was like, Whoa, do we, Whoa, did they get divorced? Yeah. Where are they now? Yeah. Like is it current present time? And also when was their wedding day? Oh, good question.

Look it up. Is that public information? Yeah. Got to be. It's got to be. Got to be. They got married in New York, March of 2015 and separated in May of 2024.

So they're not divorced yet. So they have on it. March is 10 years. And again, we don't know if it's for the benefit of PK or the benefit of three, but we're assuming PK. Doesn't want to split 50 50. Well, these actions, and again, we're all going off of what we're learning from reality TV.

So who knows? Yes. But that is suggesting that his actions are suggesting Actions and again, we're all going off of what learning from reality TV. So who knows? Yes But that is suggesting that his his actions are suggesting he wants to avoid this 10-year mark. Yes. Yes Yes, yes, and who knows what PK is worth? I don't know again I'm a big believer that if you wear a full track suit and you're not an athlete and You're a white old guy then you're probably an organized crime. He also has this this is, Dorit will be his second ex-wife. No. He has... Might be onto something.

He has a wife, an ex-wife and three children with somebody else that he also only stayed married to for nine years, but she's in England. No. So I don't think they have the same like, that due to limitation. But yeah, he stayed married. He's got how many kids with Dorit? Three. All right, he's got two kids with Dorit and three with his ex-wife. Wow, talk about dropping a bomb.

You know, somebody's got a pattern. Is that why he goes to London a lot? Oh no. To see his other kids? You're also onto something. Because they never talk about that. A real detective. Well, either way, him and Mo are still like best friends.

Well, part of the episode was Mo was leaving for Europe, was gonna go to meditation and then like go party with PK Okay, PK is seeing the type of women that Moe's hanging out with and he's like I want some of that He's like I will be attending that trip. He acts like he is he's like when we're going to Aspen Moe Was like not this time PK Geez anything else you're watching enjoying you watching severance? No Kelly Oh, geez. Anything else you're watching, enjoying? Are you watching Severance? No. Oh, Kelly.

Is it good? You haven't seen it at all. Dark, right? No. Really? Dark, no. Oh, okay, well then I could be interested. It's a little mind trippy.

Okay. It's fascinating. I like mind trippy. Yeah, in no way dark, not yet, right? No, have you? Has anyone moved you? Nobody? I don't think dark.

No, okay, good. I don't want to. I need like a few moments of like, ooh. Give it three episodes. You're gonna have, you know,'t want to. Maybe like a few moments of like, ooh. Give it three episodes. You're gonna have, you know, cause at first. But it's season two, right? Yeah. Okay, okay, so I need to watch season one.

Oh my God, yeah. Right, okay. I can do that. It's a no phone show. Oh. You really need to pay attention. It's like not, yeah. Locked in.

I'm able to do that if I know that. I can commit to it. Because the overall premise is super bizarre and weird. And they kind of slow, they introduced the premise early on, but you're kind of like, I still don't really understand what this means. And basically every episode from episode one to like

season, like now we're like an episode four season two, is like more information of like what this concept means in this world and it's just kind of a mind fuck. Cool. And by kind of it's awesome. I could be interested. You should watch it. Okay.

All right. She's shaking her head she knows I won't commit. I'm like, I'm classic for starting a TV show and then never finishing it. What's your favorite like scripted show that you really got into that you've. The only ones that I've watched from start to finish are like Gossip Girl, Entourage.

Gossip Girl? Yeah. Okay. That was like, was that high school for me? No, was it? Oh God. Yeah, when was it? When did it come out?

Ah, ah, ah. 2007. Ah, oh I was in college, I was in college. Who are your faves? Ed Westwick, is that his name? But what, Chuck Bass. What a character. I was in college, I was in college. Who are your faves? Ed Westwick, is that his name? But what, how? Chuck Bass. Chuck Bass.

What a character. I was in a rumble class with him once. How was he? I didn't really pay much attention. Oh, you guys didn't spar? No, we were both hitting backs, you know? Okay. And we're like, come on, Chuck.

Let's get in the ring. I didn't watch Gossip Girl. Okay. Surprisingly British. Did it interest you? I just, yeah, I guess I didn't really know about it, to be honest. Like, I guess I was playing with the worms.

No, Nick was like 50 when it came out. There you go. I was like, that's mean. It wasn't his. I was a junior in high school. Do you have any opinion what's going on with the whole Justin Beldoni Blake lively? Literally, I feel like there's so many things

that are coming out that I'm like, I'm gonna let them handle it. Okay. I'm gonna, I'm going to, when you guys get to the end of this, I would love to have a recap and understand how we got to the last square. Yeah. Yeah.

Because it just seems- It will take a while to get there. Yeah. There definitely is a lot in there. I think there will continue to be more and more- Oh yeah, I forgot. Yeah, that makes sense. More and more information.

Yeah, that's the only reason why I asked. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, sure, sure. That's the only reason why I asked, but you know, it's kind of real talk. It just seemed messy from the beginning and it's just getting messier and I don't get it. I'm like, I just... It is interesting that a judge like ordered Justin and his team to like shut the fuck up.

Oh, did he? He was like, he's like, we will never get a jury that is like unbiased if you keep putting stuff out there. You've gotta stop, it's gotta all be in court. I'm just kinda surprised that everyone's really ignoring the fact that he clearly hired a crisis PR team to do exactly what's being done online to basically destroy her and everyone's just kinda focusing

on if Blake's kind of difficult to work with. Really? Yeah. You know, the internet doesn't love a woman. Pretty easy for the internet to work with. Really? Yeah. You know, the internet doesn't love a woman, you know? So, pretty easy for the internet to be like. There's a new clip going around, and it's like from a couple years ago or something, and it's like a Forbes conference or something, something like that.

And she's talking about her career and Justin's team's narrative is basically like, she tried to take over the project, she gave her opinions when it wasn't wanted or something. That's kind of the narrative. I'm sorry. It's wild, no. She took over, you know, even though like,

you know, Kurt Russell famously like directed Team Stone when he didn't direct it and everyone sings his praises. But anyways, so in this conference, Blake's like talking about how like, you know, as a actor in Hollywood and as a woman, she at times like struggled to like feel like people valued her opinion. And she kind of had to speak up and assert herself,

you know, to be heard. And now that's being used against her and people are like, see, see, try to take over the project. Meanwhile, there's like this ET interview of Justin Baldoni from a couple of months ago talking about like playing this character Ryle, who like this character is an abusive. Yes, I read the book, hated it. That's why I think I just was like,

I'm not participating in this movie and anything. I don't know. And in this interview, Justin's basically describing method acting. And he's talking about how as this character, he took these chances and he's basically, he's telling on himself describing like, I didn't run this by Blake. I just decided to like lean in.

And he was like, and then sometimes I would get this like uncomfortable look from Blake and then I would know. And I'm like, huh? And he's like describing the very thing that she's accusing him of. And like, no one's paying attention to that. Meanwhile, everyone's like, yep, see, she tried to take over the project

because like she wanted to be heard. Anyway, we are definitely in the minority right now. Oh, interesting. Because you guys are team Blake. She tried to take over the project because she wanted to be heard. Anyway, we are definitely in the minority right now. Oh, interesting. Because you guys are team Blake. I'm anti, I'm not team Justin. Got it, okay. But I think you have a healthy approach.

Right, right. I think from between now. Let me just wait till the end. Between now and then, I think there's just gonna be more and more mess and mess and mess and mess, and we'll just have to wait to see if it actually goes to trial.

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What did you think about Sam, Britney Spears' ex on Traders? He's flying on the radar. He is. And I haven't listened to his going deeper, but I want to, because I just saw the snippets on Instagram. After interviewing him, and by the way, if you're listening, that episode came out yesterday, so you can listen to it, check it out. But you realize how much he's flying under the radar,

because he's very comfortable letting people think that he's the dumb model. Oh, smart. Yeah. But it seemed like he had some interesting things to say on your podcast. Yeah, he's a fascinating story. He just migrated here from Iran as a kid. He was like, everyone's saying there's a gag order about me and Brittany.

There is no gag order. We were like, say more. Keep talking. Perfect, let's get into it. Before we get to Rob, wait, I forgot coming in here that you were on Ben Higgins' season of The Bachelor. Oh my God, yeah, I was on it, LOL, not a contestant. Not a contestant. Yeah, we taught.

You play soccer. Yeah, Alex and I, Alex Morgan and I, we were tasked with a group date and teaching the girls soccer. And the one thing I remember, many things from that day, but the one thing that stands out in my mind, beforehand Alex was like, you know, I'm gonna ask in the opening scene,

when we're saying hi to the women, have any of you guys played soccer? She's gonna ask it. And I was like, oh yeah, for sure, there's 12, 15 girls here. One of them has to have played soccer. Has to? Has to, like just based on statistics alone in America.

Even if like park rack back in the day. Right, yeah, yeah. She asked that and we're both like being like, oh my gosh, we can't wait to see a little soccer, like who's going to be the soccer player in the group? Not one hand goes up. Nobody says they had. We were like, oh, huh.

All right. Starting from the basics. Okay. So this is a soccer ball and this is how you kick it. Use your feet. No hands, unless you're putting an angle. I'm a little surprised by that. Same. I was like, where'd they find these girls? Interesting. I was shocked, but it was, it was really interesting. Same, I was like, where'd they find these girls? Interesting. I was shocked, but it was really interesting.

And another thing I remember, we were sitting waiting in the green room, it was like a locker room, and we had on, they came and mic'd us up, and as they were leaving the room, I took my mic pack and turned it off and put it back in my pocket or whatever, my waistband. And I don't know if it was a producer or Chris Harrison,

he was like, you'd never be cast on the show, you're too smart for this. It's like, you know that you can turn your mic back off, you know? And stuff like that. And then like another thing was producers took Alex and I aside to do interviews and the way that they feed you questions, you can very clearly see how some of these

girls say outlandish things because of- Because they don't even know what they're speaking about. Right, they're just like, they're basically just re-saying what has been asked to them. Like one of them was like, do you think that some of these girls look like baby giraffes out there? And I was like, no.

I'm not gonna give you what you want here. Yeah. Yeah, they'll be like, wasn't it really rude and really inconsiderate for Becky to interrupt Aaron? And they're like, yeah, no, totally. It was rude, yeah, you're right. Yeah, you're right.

Honestly, I would be pretty pissed off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She sucks. And then all you get that is this, she sucks. Yes, exactly. Sometimes you get it when like they, they could be saying that week too, you know? And now it's week. And they flash back.

No, not even flash back. They're flushed. now it's week. No, not even flashback. Now it's week 10. And they're recapping a date and then you hear the person's voice talking about them and you're not thinking, cause you know, you're on your phone, you're watching the TV show and you're just like, oh, I can't believe they said that. And it's like, they could have said that whenever.

Right. About anything else. It's really kind of, it's fascinating. Yeah, it's produced. You did remind me of a time though, actually one of the showrunners now who used to be a showrunner for the Canadian Bachelor. Oh, they have that up there? They used to. I don't know how well it's doing anymore.

But when I was the bachelor, they had like, they had all like the franchise. Yeah, they have like, they have Bachelor of Finland, they have Bachelor of Australia, they have like, they have all these the franchise. Yeah, they have like, they have Bachelor Finland, they have Bachelor Australia, they have like, they have all these franchises. Of course they do. And so they brought in all the like show runners from all around the world to like, you know, I don't do like a meter greet. I was the current bachelor,

so they asked me to show up and just kind of meet people. And I was talking to Canadian executives and it was really fascinating to hear them talking because like, unlike a lot of my peers, like I, well, I do recognize that there's a lot of editing and they can do and say crazy shit, there's also no gun to your head. Right, right, right, yeah.

You show up, you have agency. You can say no. You can be like, yeah, I don't wanna do that or say that or whatever. And what the producers are there to do and what they're mostly notorious for doing is making you feel good about bad decisions. They're not gonna stop you making from bad decisions,

but I remember talking to these executives and just how they were like, yeah, honestly, everyone blames producers, but the edits, they're completely accurate. They were just dying on this vine. And I'm thinking, I'm talking to the person who's in charge of the edit. So I'm like, well yeah, it's accurate to you

because we're watching the show through your point of view, your opinion about these people, you get to control the edit. So in your world, in your mind, it's completely accurate. But it's just the confidence that even the producers had in themselves because I've had talked to a lot of producers that have since left the show

and some of them have like a lot of like guilt. Yeah, I was gonna say. There's a lot of, it's a spectrum of justifications. Right. And like some of the producers don't do crazy weird shit and some of them are like sadistic. Do you get paired up with a producer? Like somebody's like, that's your girl, that's your guy.

It's more like, you do become friends with the producers and if you kind of connect with one and that producer will become your producer, but that's more because purely, it's like, hey, John trusts you, so you should work with John and get the most out of John. Meanwhile, they're not,

the producers are pretending to be friends. Ooh, rough. Shady. But it does go both ways, and I will say that, because the contestants also pretend to be the producers' friends, because they stop reaching out to the producers when the producers stop giving them things.

Oh. Well, let's ask Boston Rob what he thinks of the producers of Trader. Oh, yeah. All right, well, Boss Rob is ready to go. Let's bring him up. Rob. Boston Rob.

What's up? Did it work? Wow, it worked. It worked, it worked. My wife, what did you say before you came on? That like high school me is quaking. I'm actually, I'm unwell to be looking at your face right now and talking to you.

Oh, thank you. You're an icon, you're a legend. Oh, I'm lookingwell to be looking at your face right now and talking to you. Oh, thank you. You're an icon, you're a legend. Oh, I'm looking at that artwork in the background. Okay, so Boston Red So, oh, that's very cool. My wife got me that as a wedding present a lot of years ago, a lot of years ago now. That's great, really kind of owning that Boss and Rob name. Yeah.

Rob, we obviously loved watching you on Traders. I'm not someone who watched Survivor, so I was new to who you were, and as someone who has been on reality TV before, I just gotta say, you really are truly a reality TV star. I think there's a lot of people who go on these shows, and everyone who goes on reality TV is just given the title of reality TV star,

but there are some stars, and there are some people who show up. But damn, man, you dominated the first. How many episodes has it been? It's been the Rob Show. And I gotta say, I'm just really impressed. You've been fun to watch. I'm a bit worried going forward, you know,

like why are we gonna give a shit? But anyways, I just wanted to say, to much respect, you were a force in that show and it's been very cool, man. What did you think I wanted to do? You know like it was it was a different experience they've been asking me since the first season to do it and just like Timing and everything else I kind of wanted to see what it was about first and then this season it worked out and You know despite the result. I'm still happy that I went I had a I had a great time and it was a lot of fun.

Look it, I've been doing these things for over two decades now, so I can't really go into any of these competition type shows without having a big target on me. So I kind of expected to feel the heat from the beginning, and we made the most of it, right? Yeah, you really did. Did you feel like you were forced to play as aggressively as you did?

Because like, just, you know, as a viewer, it really looks like you showed up guns-a-blazing and really embraced the target on your back. It's almost as like you were in survival mode since the moment you got there. Yeah, so I mean, initially that wasn't my plan, but like with any of these shows and competitions, like you can't really have a plan

and think you're gonna just execute it flawlessly. Like the key is to be able to adapt to different situations. And when I showed up in Scotland, the night before we were about to start, the producers like told me about this twist they wanted to do. And for all the reasons in the world, I told them why it wasn't a good idea.

Because theoretically, none of them should shake his hand to let me in. You're already elevating me and put me on this pedestal. So even if they do, they're not going to like that. They're like, don't worry, if it doesn't work, we have another way we'll get you in. They wouldn't tell me. I said, what is it? They're like, don't worry if it doesn't work. We have another way. We'll get you in and then I heard about the you know

They wouldn't tell me I said what is it? They're like, we'll tell you later We're not telling you any more of ours the other way you're gonna fuck me To answer your question You know, my plan was to not play as aggressively because I mean game theory play as aggressively because I mean game theory optimal strategy for this show is to keep your mouth shut and not say anything right until the end you get to get to the end but because of the situation I was put in with the way it started and everything else with my reputation I'm not able to play that optimal theoretical game I have to play my game. And even still, when

I entered the turret with the other guys, I still was going to let them take the lead right up until the point where I realized that, you know, Bob was targeting myself, Carolyn. And then I just, I can't be a passenger in a car that's going to crash. Like I got to grab the wheel and take control of my own fate and it makes for good TV. Yeah, it was great TV. Do you think it almost felt like the biggest challenge for people like you and like say Wes

and just like kind of other gamers that you guys kind of are known as compared to like say the Housewives or people from the Bachelor franchise. It seemed like to really work against you that there are a lot of people who really weren't showing up to play a game almost like you know who knows like we talked to Derek and you know he kind of flat out said like you know other people from his perspective were more like making sure that they were well like conscious of the edit or things

like that and here you are playing the game. Did you feel that while doing it, as opposed to like being on Survivor, everyone's playing the same game, everyone knows why they're there. You were playing a game that other people weren't even participating in sometimes it felt like. So that's the thing, like, and like,

I don't wanna like nerd out on you, but like you can go into the different levels of the meta game and it like, it will go beyond. And if you have someone that's just showing up for this experience they're almost like wild cards they don't want to participate in that so then you have to find out how does that factor into the equation. I found it interesting that like I was able to bond and become friends with people outside of the reality game or space. And to me, that was like one of the biggest takeaways, you know, becoming friends with

Dylan. They didn't really show it a lot, but I worked really well with Krishel and Nikki and even Sierra. So to take like a relationship that like with people that don't have that background and figure out how to utilize it within the game without them knowing that you're doing that takes a special skill set that like, you know, like I've been able to do for a lot of years, so I feel like I'm good at it. The converse to that is someone like Bob the Drag Queen who has no gamer background, but he is so super smart and really good at identifying

the psychology of different people. I was able to witness that firsthand and I was really impressed by it right up until the point where he pointed the target at me. But yeah, it's interesting. In previous seasons, you've seen it with like Phaedra really good at strategy and stuff. So it's weird to see the crossover. And at the same time, sometimes the gamers kind of like fall short when they enter the castle where they might be great in their

respective individual games. Yeah. So who do you think now that now that you're gone, how do you anticipate the trade, like Danielle and Caroline, how do you anticipate them operating? And then who in your mind do you think is kind of flying under the radar as we're watching it as viewers in this moment? Yeah. So the, the turret right now is a mess and I fully own it.

Like I know that I caused that whole thing. It's a disaster. It really is. And just the lack of trust is, you know, it's supposed to be a game where the traders are against the faithful. And this season it's the traders against the faithful and the traders against each other. And, and when you have three people and even four really with Bob, but people that really understand,

as I said before, the meta game, you see not only like just the game on its surface, you know, trying to stay away from the faithful, but also who do you wanna bring to the end and you see the alliances and you see all of that working. So it's such a mess that I don't know, you know, if they're gonna be able to put their differences aside and work together.

I don't. And as far as who I think is playing a good game under the radar, you know, Dylan, he's great. He was so perceptive at first. I mean, he's had some misfires, you know. He's focused on Gabby. Gabby's another one. She's playing really, you know,

like low key and pretending like she doesn't care and doesn't know what's going on. But I think she's more perceptive than she's leading on to be. Yeah, Gabby is pretty sharp. We know her and I'm not surprised to hear you say that. I feel like of all the people at the round table, when you were tasked with giving your reason as to why you were not a trader,

giving your stick or like, you know, I'm gonna explain to you guys why I'm not. You were so calm and put together in that moment. And so many people, even if they aren't traders, become almost upset or defensive or scared, kind of chaotic, when you went into roundtables, you were like, I know what people, the reasons people are gonna bring against me, therefore I have my speech

put together, or were you like in the moment able to pivot and kind of recalibrate and come up with really good reasoning, because we knew you were a trader from home, and even sometimes you would start to give your spiel, and I'm like, he's not a trader. Maybe he's not. Yeah. He's convincing.

No, it's a good question. I have always been really good in the moment. And quick-witted, I think growing up in Boston working in construction, you catch a lot of shit when you're on the construction sites and you better be sharp and figure it out. So I never really planned anything. Like truthfully, even Derek coming at me, that was a complete surprise. I didn't expect him to come at me.

But something that happened previously helped me to defend against that. And I'll discuss that in a second, but to directly answer your question, you have to understand your audience, right? So like different people, I would need to appeal to differently. And I think that just comes from like years of experience of playing with people, playing these games,

but also having self-awareness to know what different people needed. Some people that were more emotional, you had to appeal to their emotional side. Other people like Tom, you'd have to appeal to his ego. Other people like Ivor and Sam, you'd have to appeal to their logic. So I would have to figure out an argument,

depending on what the question was asked or how it was going to go one way or the other. What about the drag queen that they cut a lot of it out but like i started that you know like. I didn't really want to have to go after him so early but once i saw that he pointed out like the guys in the cages personally i was like man he, he's got to go because I got to get him before he gets me. In hindsight, maybe I didn't have to do it that exact day, but I had already started to spread it around the castle. And when I did, I can't put the lid back on it. It's out now. truthfully that roundtable was going towards Sierra and and Nikki and I'm the one that kind of steered it towards Bob

But in the moment when I did I came at him and I came at him hard and I knew I had to like get Him I had to be hardcore about it and it was a lot more than you guys So I was a lot of back and forth. But at one point, as I'm accusing him, he turns it around and he says, and you're saying that about me, but it applies to you. And I stopped him. I was like, you see that? That's the mirror technique with someone tries to turn it right back on you. So fast forward to when Derek accuses me, I think he thought I was going to turn it back around and come in at him and he was going to use my mirror stuff against him. But really quickly in the moment, I realized that by doing that, it would be a huge mistake.

So his argument was that one of the three of us were going to be one of the three of us from the cages were going to be a traitor. I agreed with them. I said, Derek, I think you're right. I think one of the three of us is a trader and I actually don't think it's you. And I pointed it towards West and West was completely not expecting that. And then his reaction set off a chain reaction of events. You're so good.

You're a goddamn killer, bro. Crazy. Like, jesus. Yeah. That's awesome, man. We weren't learning so much. You're seeing this in the past couple episodes. There's comments like, everyone knows you're a faithful. Tom Sandoval, I think people have said this about Dylan. What is it about some of the people in the castle that, like, everyone just decides,

we just know they're a faithful? And it does feel like, I saw this last season too. They just, like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like,

they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like decides, we just know they're a faithful. And it does feel like, I saw this last season too, they never say that about someone

that ends up being a traitor. It definitely is someone like Peter Weber last year, you know, like, you know, for a moment, it was like this guy, we know he's a faithful. Where do you think that comes from? And like, what are people reading when they say that? But I mean, like a lot of times, like you can logically figure out people that would be faithful so you can make a case for it and I actually did this season with a few of the

people and that's why they're not being looked at. For example, in the very first round table Bob the Drag Queen voted for Ivor. I made the argument that now that we know that Bob the Drag Queen is a traitor, there's no way that Iver could be a traitor because logically, a traitor wouldn't vote for a traitor the very first night and that other traitor would be okay with it. So Iver is now vindicated. So why isn't Iver being killed? Right? So it makes sense that he's a faithful. And I literally exonerated him with these statements. Now I could have like gone a step further and been like, well, why is he still here? Why is he still here?

And I was like, well, maybe he is a traitor, you know, and that's why, like that was the other way I was going to go against instead of going against Brittany. Or I could have gone against Danielle that night. There's so much more to the meta, like when you understand the rules. So we're at the point where if we get another trader now, we have to recruit and everybody thinks, or if they think I'm a faithful, I am also the number one person that would be recruited. Right?

So now I got to try to keep this mess of a turret together and it just doesn't make sense So I think it's a go back and answer your question. I know I did in a roundabout way I think sometimes it's the perception of You just get a feeling Sometimes somebody's doing some groundwork to make you feel a certain way. I know Ciara was definitely shocked that I was a traitor when I finally stood up and said I was. But I did so much groundwork to make her think that I was a faithful between the logic and the reasoning. I used her example of being placed in the casket because I knew she was a faithful and was like they're trying to frame me the same way they're trying to frame you

and you know in her mind she's like yeah that makes sense you're absolutely not you can't be they're doing it to you too. So when you can put yourself in the position of that other player and find some relatability, then you almost will convince yourself of it. I mean, a lot of it's psychology, but a lot of it is also just common human interactions with other people in relationships that they have. You don't want to believe the person that you trust is tricking you. Because if you if you do, then you have to literally admit that you were wrong. And like

people don't like to admit they're wrong. They don't like to admit that they're convictions. I mean if they did, like everybody's relationships would be great, right? The first thing you do is you defend your position. And if your position comes from a place of internal conviction, forget it. You just crush yourself. Exactly, because we all love to think we're good at reading people.

I've never heard someone say, you know what, I'm really, I'm bad at reading people. I've never heard that. Everyone always says they're so good at reading people and that to your point, Rob, to acknowledge that like you really stood by someone who ended up being a traitor, like it's a, not only do they not want to admit it,

it's a little unnerving to realize, who have I had conviction about in the real world that I was wrong about and maybe like never really found out they were doing me dirty, you know? It's a kind of a spooky, eerie feeling. Yeah, the next thing you know, you gotta go to Vegas and get hugs in the hallway with your buddy.

You know, you gotta get that dirty. That video is so cute, by the way. Yeah, that video. Yeah, yeah. Have you reached out to Sierra or Dylan, the people that were really shocked by your traitorness? I did, I mean, Dylan and I have been friends and been in touch since we filmed this last summer. He's good.

And I did reach out to Sierra, to Bob the Drive, like everybody. And I'm looking forward to seeing everybody at the reunion. It's tough. It's also like I've been playing these games for 22, 23 years. So I have a unique perspective that a lot of people don't and I can go and play and I realized it's a part of my life. It's something that I've done. It's not my life, even though like collectively,

I guess it is, but like I'm okay. You know what I'm saying? After the fact. Are you tired of playing the games? Like, is there any part of you that's ready to retire or are we gonna see you on a seventh season of Survivor or Special Forces or another show? I mean, I thought I was retired, you know?

And then about a year ago, they called me for this deal on No Deal Island and then I did this. And it's weird, cause like I always thought I would transition to hosting something. Like I really, like I thought thought that would be the evolution. But it's funny, the last couple of years, I've enjoyed playing so much again that I

wonder if I were hosting a show, if I would just become frustrated with not being able to compete. Probably. I think I've got to figure out some way to do some kind of a hybrid thing where I'm actually still actively doing something like player coach Well, how is a deal or no deal island? Yeah, it was wild I mean a different strategy different experience for me because usually when I'm on an island like I'm starving and Suffering and you know not eating and this was like the bankers island. It was very luxurious

eating and this was like the Bankers Island. It was very luxurious. They took care of us. At the same time, the strategy to that game is much different than survivor in that like there's so much that you can't control. You know, like similar to trader like traders was probably the hardest, like not the physically the hardest survivor, the physically the hardest, but like strategically physically the hardest survivor, the physically the hardest, but like strategically and mentally, Traders was beyond. And I think just because the sheer number of people like trying to manage 23 people versus only 10 people on a tribe or

12 on deal and no deal, it became really challenging even for someone like myself that's been doing it a long time. It's clear how just how things are really outside of your control and in traders like there's just a lot of variables that you just there's not much you can do. Yeah, you really have to be very adaptive. It seems it's true and then deal or no deal like with Survivor. Like you really rely on your strategy and your social game to get you to the end and potentially to win, you really rely on your strategy and your social game to get you to the end

and potentially to win, based on how you treat the other people to vote on the jury. With Deal or No Deal, there are parts of it where you can control your fate and your outcome, whether it's in the challenges or how you treat people at the camp, but there's also a huge element of luck, like what goes on in the

banker's temple. And at first, when they told me the premise of the game, they didn't give us the rules till we got there. And I looked at it and I was like, man, this is terrible. And they said, why? And I said, the problem is you're giving so much power to the people on the bottom. The people that do the worst, all they have to do is win a coin flip against the banker. And if they do, they have all the power to eliminate someone else. And I was just like, man,

I can't believe you brought me all the way out here for this. And it's a lot. And then as time went on, I realized like, man, this was actually genius. This was actually like a, like, just like a little, a little bit of like how life is. There's so much you think that's actually in your control, but really so much of it has left a chance. Yeah. Really in order to live in that game, you got to be willing to die.

You got to put your life on the line and risk it to play the banker. That's the only way you actually have control. It's so true of real life that like, you know, nothing comes just from playing it safe all the time. Once in a while you gotta take a chance, right? Absolutely. So you lost to your wife and survivor.

Did she give you any tips going into trader? Did I really lose though? That's true, that's true. You know, at this point, I think she would probably tell me, keep your mouth shut, try to be, but she knows me too well. I'm just gonna do what I'm gonna do. So there was no discussion. When you're watching it back with her,

is she giving you notes? Is she critiquing your moves? No, she loved it. My kids are old enough now, I have teenage daughters, that it's so fun because I'm embraced in being a dad. I'm in that role where I'm really embarrassing them when I use the word suss incorrectly. You're so cringe.

And it's so much fun to like, you know, to do a show like this and let them kind of watch it. And you know, it's a fun family thing now. What has been your girl's reaction? They loved it. You know, they loved it. They're obviously, you know, this week I wasn't here. I was with some friends on a golf trip,

but they were disappointed, you know that it was over But like, you know, it's a good teaching lesson too. It's like you don't always have to win to get something out of it and and Overall is just like a really positive experience for me. That's awesome Thanks for taking the time man. Do we have any other questions for Rob before we let him go? I was just wondering if you won brownie points with your girls going on vacation with Dylan. Oh when I went to play golf with Dylan? Yeah I mean I don't I'm the worst like I didn't know I didn't know about his brother and the whole high school musical and I think that's probably

why like really good friends but uh they're a little young for it but they like everybody else thinks Dylan's really cute all right Rob appreciate your time man thanks for all the insight it's been an absolute pleasure to watch you and we I think I speak for everyone where we hope to see you back on some show sooner than later Take all right, but bye. I love him so much Did you watch survive? No, I never knew nothing about him, but I was like this guy's a killer No, I mean he was like heart-rob. Yeah

He was so good and so bring up bring up the heart-rob Find my heart-rob the heart Rob. Yeah, find my heart Rob The heart Rob is we just saw him on the screen. He's still him. He's still in there No, I'm not saying I'm just saying but like there was in there. I saw it Look at him. Yeah, he was like 26. He was young when he went on in the first season. I think babe No, he was like, yeah. He was definitely the heartthrob for sure. I mean, six seasons.

And he never won? No, I think he did. Oh, he did. I think he did. Yeah, I know his wife won the season they were on together and it was like season eight. I think that's an incredible story. Right?

He won season 22. 22. Thank you. Took him a while, but he got there. Yeah. Now, before we let Kelly go, we need to ask her about who's getting the remote. The remote.

If someone, okay. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. If you are in the bed first. I want your opinion on this too. If you're in the bed first, do you run the errands? Like the nighttime errands, like the like, gotta get the water, gotta lock the doors,? Like the nighttime errands, like the, like, got to get the water, got to lock the doors, turn off the lights, turn on the fan, do like all the things.

So I feel like we split this pretty evenly, but yeah, if somebody is going to bed earlier, someone's in bed first, right. But are you getting in bed first for the purpose of getting out of the errands? Yes. Yes. You're just smarter. Therefore you win. Thank you. out of the errands? Yes. Yes. Yes. Well then you're just smarter. Exactly. Therefore you win.

Thank you. Case closed. If you didn't get your way, would you start singing in bed? For the things that you wanted? This is my dream. This is my dream. That's what I just kept singing.

He was like, shut up, get out of the bed, go get the remote. And then I started reading my book out loud. To be clear, I did not care if you watch TV. She wanted to watch TV. We couldn't find the remote and she decided. She was like, I was here first, therefore you have to go get it.

I was like, no. So I said, fine, I'll make your night miserable. So I got on my laptop and then she started reading out loud for 20 minutes. The old bedtime routine sounds super fun. Yeah, if you ever want to come over. Usually we get along really, really well. Yeah.

If you do come over, just know you will be asked to get the water at the end. Right, right, right. Oh, absolutely. Because we're both in bed, so someone's gotta run there. And you'll be sharing the water too, by the way. We're big balls. But Natalie collects them. Oh, like from the big golds from...athalie collects them? Oh.

Exactly how you understood it is. From like a 7-Eleven? No, they have just a large water cup that they share between the two of them. Oh, it's for every meal. Not on either side. On one side, in the middle of the night. One Stanley cup. You pass me the water cup.

For every meal. For every meal. No. For every meal. If we're sitting down for supper together, for breakfast, lunch, we make one big thing of water. If we have company, we will pretend we're not animals. Yeah.

But when it's just us and our daughter, it's a Stanley Cup. I have never met a couple who's done that. Is that crazy? It blows my mind every time they say it. It's crazy. Yes, it's crazy. Oh, we each have our own glass of water.

100% Right, yeah. We don't bring water. She has like her Stanley, but I drink like a little like nighttime sleepy time drink and whoever's making themselves one, they'll be like, hey, do you want one? Right.

And then they'll make you, I'll either make it for her. Y'all are healthy. I get it. Whatever, you know. Yeah, we definitely do not. Oh my God. It's my favorite thing ever.

I couldn't live without it. It's my favorite thing ever. There's nothing better than getting cozy and cuddling and watching a movie in a dark, cold bedroom. Will you fall asleep while watching it? Yes. Maybe, but it's up for debate. I put on a sleep timer and Michael Scott

talks me to sleep every night. And then it shuts off eventually. I don't need it to fall asleep. That's not good for your REM, I just wanna say. Yeah, no, this is guys, we gotta talk about this. I don't need it to fall asleep, but I do love to get in the bed after a long day and lay down and cuddle and be warm and cozy

and watch a show, turn off the show. But sometimes I'm ready for bed, so I'll just close these baby eyes. Yes. And now you will have to turn on her TV and then she will fall asleep, only for me to have to wake up. I don't ever watch it by myself.

Find the remote. Find the remote. Because it's not fun. And then turn off the TV. I don't ever want to do it by myself. You're selling it as very cozy. It is cozy, I do it for the code. However, it is very bad for your sleep.

But I don't watch it to go to sleep. No, no, I'm just saying in general. Regardless of your reasoning for watching it. Well, I didn't ask you. But it doesn't seem like, yeah, tell me, you know what, it doesn't seem like you were having an issue with it,

therefore continue. Have Nick at the Big Gulp. Nick at the Big Gulp, Nick find the remote. I won't be singing. Is it crazy that we share a Big Gulp every? Everyone says it is. I have never encountered, heard of, but I'm here for it. I actually, I support it.

No one has in-person in the moment shamed us. Well, so I've, you know, like if we're like- But you said if you have people over, you get two glasses. So you're not really showing your true selves. That's true. We're lying. I actually don't know. I don't. I might've lied about the two glasses. If you have company.

Yeah. Oh. I might get like- I'm picturing you guys. I'm picturing like Lady and the Tramp. Like you have company. Yeah. I might get like. I'm picturing you guys, I'm picturing like Lady and the Tramp, like you guys put a Stanley in the middle, you have like a long straw and you guys are like both like leaning over.

No there is, no there is, that's basically. There's only one straw. There's one straw. But you just like, you're like, oh I'm gonna sip this and then put it back in the middle. In the middle. Okay, like neutral territory. I don't even need a straw, but.

I need the straw. We have a straw. Wow, that's, that's cool. That's cool. Good for you guys, you know, less dishes, I guess. That's true. Less dishes that I don We have a straw. Wow, that's cool. That's cool. That's cool. Less dishes, I guess. That's true. Less dishes that I don't have to do.

You don't do dishes. Yeah, you're right. This is incredible. I love it. But I don't do laundry, so. Okay. It's even trade. Even trade.

Yeah. All right. Kelly, this has been so much fun. Thanks for having me. I had a blast, guys. We also had a blast. Please, I mean, obviously you have your podcast. Is there anything else that you want people to follow you or your Instagram or are you on TikTok?

Are you back on TikTok? Are you TikTok-ing? I am not TikTok, I've never TikToked. You've never TikToked? No, so at Kelly O'Hara. Fuck TikTok. Yeah, at Kelly O'Hara. Maybe I'll get on TikTok now that it's almost gone.

I can't even get it on my phone. Oh, true. I actually do have it on my phone. I had it on my phone and I dropped my phone, shattered it. This was like a day after the ban and it was like I got a new phone. They're like, sorry, I can't download TikTok. Oh, because like it wouldn't even transfer

from phone to phone. Like right now, if you go get a new phone. Yeah, you can't get it out of the app store, right? It's not available. Dang, well, it's probably for the best. Definitely for the best. My team has logged into my account. There you go. You're like, I don't have it out of the App Store, right? It's not available. Dang, well, it's probably for the best. Definitely for the best. My team is logged into my account. There you go.

You're like, I don't have control over my socials. No, honestly, I'm like so offline. I'm getting more, I'm like, I'm about 92% offline. I aspire for that one day. Kelly. Thank you so much for having me, guys. It was a blast. Bye.

Thanks for listening, guys. Be sure to check out our Going Deeper episode with Britney Spears' ex Sam Asghari. Also next week we got another great week lined up for you so we'll see you then. Happy Valentine's Day everybody and don't forget to listen to Vilephiles Plus. You can sign up going to Vilephiles.com or if you listen to it on Apple Podcasts you can sign up directly there so be sure to do that. We'll see you on Monday. Bye!