The Viall Files - E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day

Episode Date: February 18, 2025

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What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host Nick. I hope you all had a very wonderful Valentine's Day weekend. Always had to emphasize the N. Yeah, he does struggle with that. I have to think of the letter N. I mean, I would say for 30 some years, I had no idea.

What was going on the first? Just thought it was that. I just said Valentine's. But your name is Nick. Why do you have to think about the N? Yeah, you're not like, hey everyone, I'm Mick. I would say for 30 plus years, I just really didn't know it was Valentine's. Mick vile. Really? Why do I give a, hey everyone, I'm Mick. I would say for 30 plus years, I just really didn't know it was Valentine's.

Mick vile. Really? Why do I give a fuck how it, first of all, we all know I can't spell. Oh my God. Yeah, I'm triggered. Yeah, you come in here, it's Monday. What did you get for Valentine's Day? Oh my God, I had this lovely Valentine's Day package, little basket that my wife got me.

What was in the basket? Oh my God, so many things. I had this really nice sweater shirt that Natalie asked, you know, when Natalie says, do you wanna open a gift early? That means I should ask to open a gift early because she wanted me to wear it for our interview. We went to New York over the weekend to do an interview.

Our Going Deeper guest this week, Alessia Cara. Very excited about that. Very excited about that. Alessia had a new album drop on Valentine's Day. Her album, Love and Hyperbole is out. It's an amazing album. Anyways, we got to sit down with her. Alessia, obviously she won a Grammy back in 2017-ish,

something around that. She's had a very great career. She's been kind of quiet lately and kind of like under the radar. She went to MIA. Yeah, took a little break from music. Anyway, she's back better than ever and we got to sit down with her.

So that is our going deep around Wednesday. But anyways, we were in New York, and I got to wear my Valentine's Day gift. Now I got flowers when we got back from New York. Yeah, when we got back from New York. Yeah, I got flowers. Honestly, it was better than... We had a wonderful Valentine's Day.

No, what's funny though is that... I was so busy, I haven't even had time to post a Valentine's Day I love you message to my wife. Oh my God, you haven't let the internet fucking know we love each other? I haven't, I haven't let them know to post a Valentine's Day I love you message to my wife. Oh my God, you haven't let the internet fucking know we love each other? I haven't let them know. Wait, the question is. I've been too busy being in love.

They're gonna forget. The question is, did you ask Natalie to be your Valentine? I think at some point I kind of like joked about it. Yeah. Joke? You think this is a joke you matter? Is that a thing? I guess Connor, will you be mine?

Yeah, Connor asked me like five days before Valentine's Day over cookies. Oh, what a romance. Romantic. Well. Isn't that the point of being married? No, because you know what? I have to go in there on like on a Tuesday

before Valentine's Day and be like, I hope she says yes. No, it's funny because Nick was like, let's find, we went shopping after our interview and Nick's like, let's find you like a Valentine's Day gift. And I was like, oh. Well, first we stopped at a friend's and then after we stopped at a friend's,

we were walking in the street and we saw Meg Ryan, just walking. We didn't see Meg Ryan. It was very cool. It was a very cool celebrity sighting. You're a mother. And then after that, Nick was like, let's find you a vat and I'm like, okay.

So we're like, he's like, no, not like that. Not a purse. Not anything like that. So then anything that I, anything I looked at, and he's like, do you want that for Valentine's Day? What about that light bulb? Do you want that for Valentine's Day? Oh, do you want that for Valentine's Day? That sweatshirt?

Do you want that for Valentine's Day? It wasn't that interesting. I'm like, I'm just touching it. I'm just seeing if it's soft. He's like, but do you want it for Valentine's Day? But anytime you stood in front of a luxury window, he was like, nope. Let's go. Keep it moving.

Yeah. But we were supposed to go to Peter Luger for dinner Valentine's day night, which is the place that Nick rejected me at, which I said this on my Instagram story. And I got so many people being like, what? He rejected you? What? Are you serious?

Tell this story. And I'm like, we've definitely told it at Nausiumn. But like- We got new fans, you know? For sure. You know, they have another one too. For sure, but I think that place in particular, because we both remember it so vividly of like us sitting down at this restaurant in New York City.

We were at dinner and we were finishing dinner and now I was like, so no, I really think we should date. And I was like, absolutely not. No, that's when I said I was in love with you or I was falling in love with you. I think I'm starting to fall in love with you. She was starting the process. She was on her first one-on-one. On her first one-on-one, I was falling in love with you. I think I'm starting to fall in love with you. She was starting the process.

She was on her first one-on-one. On her first one-on-one, I was starting to fall. What did you say? That's great, can we get some more bread? He said, we'll get the check. Yeah. It wasn't like that, but I definitely zigged and zagged. I pulled a West.

How do you get out of this? Yeah, he definitely was zigging and zagging. And so it kind of is a triggering place for me. So. That's not true. we were like, you know what? It's triggering now because she doesn't like the way the steak's prepared. It's only because we went there when I was pregnant as like a let's go again to the place where you rejected me

for fun memory sake. And the steak was a little too staking and my pregnancy self was like, I see the cow. I see it mooing at me, so I won't be able to eat that. I just love of like all the steak houses and restaurants in New York City that you just keep going back to this one being like,

we will rewrite this memory and you will love this place. Honestly, I wish we would have gone there so you could have asked me to be around times and I could have said no. That would have been really cool. That would have been really cool. Well, instead we got a rezo at an Italian restaurant like near our hotel.

We went to. Serafina? Lovely. Amazing. I was like let's just walk down there. It's fine, it's quick, it's a block down. But Nellie and I like to walk the streets of New York and shop and we decided to go to one of our favorite

pizza places that's near a hotel that we often stay at that we didn't stay at this time. And so I'm curious, how trashy is this? Maybe this could be our dealing dilemma. Are you f-ing kidding me? I'm losing my mind. Yeah. It was New York.

It was cold. It was, I don't know how to say it. Like it's cold. And we got a couple of slices at this little like corner pizza place. So there's not a lot of space. There's no chairs. They have a little bar area against the windows. So we got the pizzas to go,

and we took them across the street to the hotel that we were not staying at. But we have before. We have before, several times, so much so that I'm pretty sure the maitre d or whatever recognized us. Concierge recognized us. And we pretended to be patrons at the hotel

where we ate the pizza inside the lobby while we were warm. And I kept being like, well, we'll just finish our pizza. Then we'll go up to our room. We'll go up to our room after we finish this pizza. In case anyone's listening. And then as we were walking out, I could feel the concierge staring at us. And I was like, well, let's just go back outside

and then we'll go back up to our room. You're completely in the right. Thank you. You're economizing the heat. Thank you. Thank you. It're economizing the heat. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. It felt adventurous and a little trashy. I've like definitely snuck into a hotel lobby

to like pee before and when in a city. Yeah, that's okay. Yeah. That's okay. I feel like opening up this big pizza box right in front of the elevator. I'm like dipping it in ranch, like having a full on sit down restaurant moment

and people are like taking their luggage upstairs. It definitely was. Work smarter, not harder. And then we left, yeah. No one said anything. And no one said anything because I was very vocal about then we'd go upstairs. We have a great show lined up for you momentarily.

Our friend, friend of show, Kazzie David is joining us. She has a new movie out called I'll Love You Forever that she wrote and directed. It's a great movie. we watched it over the weekend. If you love a good breakup film or just like a very self-aware relationship movie that kind of like pokes holes, make kind of fun of yourself.

I mean, make no mistake, it is a little triggering and dark. Very dark humor. It's a dark comedy. If you've been in a kind of a love bombing type of relationship, it might be a little triggering for you you've been in a kind of a love bombing type of relationship, it might be a little triggering for you. It also has a lot of humor

about like just some of the mistakes that we make in relationships. Anyways, it's really good. Kazzie will be with us. She's also a huge Traders fan. So she'll be talking to some Traders with us as well. Plus we have, who do we got? We got Dave from Love is Blind.

We got Parisa with us. Recently exiled from Bachelor Mansion. She's with us as well. Even after he brought her some rocks. He brought her some rocks and said, get the fuck out. It was a parting gift. The main switch is wild.

Yeah. What about those rocks you gave me? I wanna make you feel special and kick your ass out. Yeah. I liked her, I was bummed. She was one of my favorites. Yeah, for the Chubby Bunny thing, I was like, I'm a fan. Chubby Bunny was really cute

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If you listen to the podcast on Apple, you can sign up right there or just go to vilefiles.com. You sign up on either one. You don't need to do both. And then enjoy. Can we argue about Paige and Craig before Kazza gets here? What does he argue about? Well, layout. Layout. Layout. and then enjoy. Can we argue about Paige and Craig before Kazza gets here? What does he argue about?

Well, Leia has... Here I go. Leia wants to argue. Leia thinks Craig's milking it. I agree with Leia. I do. You're gonna agree with whatever Paige does. Yes.

Okay, that's fair. As long as you point that out. Yeah, I'm team Paige with no reason to back it up. Okay. I have reasons. Anyways, for those of you people that out. Yeah, I'm team Paige with no reason to back it up. Okay. I have reasons. Anyways, for those of you people who don't know, at the end of last week, Sierra from Summerhouse, also Traders,

went on Watch What Happens Live with Lindsay Hubbard to promote Summerhouse. And on that appearance, Sierra, I don't know if she, like she had Paige's back, which Sierra having Paige's back, I love that. I love that she's loyal to her friends, she's a ride or die, she's a girl's girl, she's just, she's there to have her friends back.

So that much I do get. But she kinda not, she doubled down on the Craig is supposed to have Paige's back, he's supposed to deny these rumors about Paige, and she claimed that he's milking them. And then we watched the Summer House premiere, and at the end of that, which giving like a season preview, they pick up cameras.

We don't know when they pick up cameras, but clearly after they broke up and these rumors started circulating and you have Paige making an accusation on camera, I'm not sure to exactly who, claiming- Just Amanda and Lindsay. That she caught Craig texting two bitches, as she said, at some point during their relationship.

And then we watched Summerhouse, and then Ciara's still mad at West for their situationship. Which, I think that just makes Ciara a really good friend. Because she's going out of her way to have Pages back at the risk of kind of being a hypocrite. I mean, the women of Summerhouse very much band together, and it's nice, I don't know.

I love it. You think she's a hypocrite because she's saying Craig is milking it while it's been, I don't know. I love it. You think she's a hypocrite because she's saying Craig is milking it while it's been a year of her and West and she's kind of still like upset about the situation. Yeah, she's like, she had an on camera romance, a situationship if you will, definitely some hurt feelings. She seems to be really upset that West ultimately decided

he didn't like her. Not that West didn't do things he, that maybe he could have been more sensitive and more caring, we understand that, but like, you know. But I think we can acknowledge that we only see a little bit of their relationship, and we have no idea what he was telling her

behind closed doors. Same as Paige and Craig, but what we do know is that Craig and Paige dated for three years, and West and Sierra never were even boyfriend and girlfriend. And if you're gonna accuse Craig of milking a breakup, then, you know, it comes across a bit hypocritical that you're still upset about a situationship that didn't go the way you wanted.

From the show, it seemed like Sierra was more mad about West's press tour, is what it seemed like to me on the show. Yeah, doing the whole New York Times. Yeah, but what was she really mad at? She was mad at that West sang, and he said this on our show as well, that he didn't really see a future with her. I think she was mad that like that Wes saying, and he said this on our show as well, that he didn't really see a future with her.

I think she was mad that he said that publicly and it seemed like he said it publicly but he didn't say it to her. I mean, fine, again, she has hurt feelings. She has the right to have hurt feelings. But Craig has hurt feelings. She said Paige didn't? I'm just saying Paige and Sierra operate like

when they're upset and when they're hurt, everyone's supposed, you know, they're justified to have their feelings and according to them, when it's the other way around, they're milking it. How is that a bit hypocritical? So what Sierra said was, she said, "'Page didn't cheat on Craig and he knows that

"'and regardless of whether or not he wants to say, "'we all know what he's doing. "'You know the Bravo fans love to run with things "'and by him not saying anything, "'he knows exactly what he's doing. You know, the Bravo fans love to run with things and by him not saying anything He knows exactly what he's doing To me that was clear on his watch what happens live appearance. He was asked point-blank Did she cheat and he? Basically said I don't want to talk about like I don't want to speak to that

I'm not the one who said it I was broken up with Etc. Yeah, He could have just said, no, she didn't cheat. But he did say, I'm not here to defend Reddit rumors. I'm not going on Reddit and fighting back with anonymous trolls for someone who broke up with me. He's like, I put a statement out on Instagram. I said, we're good, I'm a little blindsided, I'm heartbroken, but give her love and peace and privacy

and give me love and peace and privacy. And like, he wasn't like, she really betrayed me and she really, like he didn't feed into anything that was going around. He really said like, give us our space and like be kind to each other. I don't know. I mean, I think that you also have Austin going on

Watch What Happens Live and you know, he wasn't spreading the rumor, but he wasn't shutting it down either. And I think that, you know, he wasn't spreading the rumor, but he wasn't shutting it down either. And I think that, you know, then Paige, they pick up cameras and she says that he was texting two bitches. Do you think that that gives her the right to, like, expose that he allegedly was texting two other bitches during their relationship because he didn't...

I'm just using Paige's words. ...looking around. Because he didn't defend these rumors against her. I think that that might have been too far, but I also like, I think that she's defending herself at this point, like she's on the defense now. Just out of curiosity, why does Paige get Craig's benefit of the doubt?

And I only ask this because like my perception of this breakup is that Paige at some point thought she outgrew Craig. And this is evidenced by by comments that she's made, or just comments she's liked online. This insinuation that Paige wants more, someone who's more in line with her, or certainly more compatible with her, and that's fine.

We outgrow people, we move on, we fall out of love, that's totally fine, but usually when that happens, and I'm not accusing Paige of anything, but sometimes you have a bit of a wondering eye. When you feel like you've outgrown a relationship, you kind of start looking around, and again, that's his human nature. Again, that's not mean she did anything wrong. That's just like a human thing.

And then they break up at some point, and then some point recently after, she seems to be start dating some guy. Now there's rumors going around about that relationship, how that ended, and blah, blah, blah. They're all unverified. But if you're Craig and you start hearing these rumors about, you know, and all of a sudden you get broken up with and it feels like out of the blue

and then you start hearing rumors about maybe people have been talking ahead of time. Like, why should Craig go out of his way to like say with 100% certainty that he knows Paige didn't do anything. How does he know that? You know what I'm saying? Like, sure, like her, you know, oh, of course she would never do that.

Listen, when like most people who get cheated on, when it happens, they think this could never happen to them and they think the person who did it would never do it to them. So now that their relationship's over and she's moved on and she's holding hands with some other guy and seeming really close with another guy which I'm sure to Craig even if it's been a few months feels really early why should Craig go out of his way to like have her back and why how does he know with that apples absolute certainty that she didn't do anything well he's not going out of his way again to do I'm not saying that he should be scouring reddit and defending her I'm just

saying when prompted asked point-blank Andy Cohen, did she cheat? He could have just been like, I don't think so. Not to my knowledge. His answer was, in my opinion, very calculated. And I agree with Sierra that he knows exactly what he's doing and he knows that Bravo- I mean, to sit here and say that- Heal for him. Fine. Paige knows exactly what she's doing too. She's a very smart, very sophisticated person. So you can't accuse Craig of being calculated and Paige not. When Paige picks up cameras and on camera,

after like saying she would never talk bad about Craig, talks bad about Craig and accuses him of cheating, you know, and I just, again, if two people have the right to break up, but like Paige is operating as if she assumes her audience and her fans are gonna have her back. And she's kinda acting like she should not, like when you break up with someone,

you break someone's heart, you're kinda the bad guy. You're their bad guy. It's not she's not a bad guy, but like he has the right to be upset with her. And if anyone's a fan of Craig's because this is a public relationship and they both have fans, like they're allowed to have Craig's back and Paige is kind of operating like you know she didn't do anything wrong and I don't think she did anything wrong per se but she is kind of operating as if like she doesn't need to

be careful, she has the right to go out whenever she wants, she's a free and independent single woman now, and those are all true. But when you're in the public eye, and you have an audience, you have to sometimes be careful of the optics, regardless of the optics are true or not, because people have their opinions,

and she doesn't give a fuck, and that's fine, but she wants Craig to have her back in the meantime. So she wants to go out and operate, and she wants to go out in public, and go to games, and hold people's fine, but she wants Craig to have her back in the meantime. So she wants to go out and operate and she wants to go out in public and go to games and hold people's hands and then when rumors start circulating, she wants Craig to what? Stand up and say, don't worry, she didn't cheat?

That's fucking insane. Well, say that she actually did, she says that she caught Craig texting to women. Sure, that's all we know. Could've been anyone. So that's true. What do we know about those women? Let's say it was inappropriate. Let's say she was hiding this

because she knows about the optics, she knows about Bravo Nation, and so she was protecting Craig all this time, and now she's like, well, fuck that. If he's not gonna have my back, I'm not gonna have his. Okay, sure, now it's getting fine. It's getting messy and spiteful, but we're still under the impression

that Paige outgrew Craig, didn't wanna be in that relationship, and broke his heart. And we're all acting like Craig, like, Sierra having opinion, or any of Paige's friends, having an opinion about Craig's feelings, and whether it's time for him to just move on, is insanity. When I disagreed with how Sierra handled the Wes thing fine,

because I just felt like she was upset that he didn't like her, but she has the right to feel however she wants, and if she wants to still be upset, that's fine. To sit there and tell someone you're milking it because your feelings shouldn't be heard anymore, that's crazy. I just think that the way that a breakup happens is important too, because the way that Wes broke it off with Sierra mattered.

He didn't just not like her. He also was, you know, he let her on. He let her on. And then, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. How do you know he let her on? And so I think that the way that Paige and Craig broke up matters and none of us were there.

I've heard Wes's version and Wes's version is like, he just realized he didn't like her after hanging out with her. So there's Wes's version, there's Sierra's version, and Wes's version is like, he just realized he didn't like her after hanging out with her. So there's Wes's version, there's Ciara's version, and then somewhere in the middle, there's a truth. So you gotta kinda like. And a clear disconnect. And a clear, clear disconnect.

But we do know that they were never dating, and we do know early on that Wes made it very clear that he has like, you know, commitment issues, there's that. Yeah, but I'm sorry, you and I got into it last time about this, we don't need to rehash it, but I'm like, I'm sorry, but it's like, there's some Iota of responsibility where it's like, just because you don't traditionally think

bringing a girl home and meeting your family and spending holidays and doing, and wedding dates and all of that isn't a relationship status, to the majority of people, it is. So Wes being immature and not saying that to her face. And he also knew that if he slept with her, she wasn't gonna sleep with him unless it meant something.

And he allowed them to sleep together and it got in her fucking head and then he was like, what do you mean, we slept together, but I don't even like you. I'm not even here to have Wes's back. I'm just here, if Sierra, fine. And if Sierra has the right to be upset about Wes, I am just saying it's a little bit much

for her to be calling out Craig. We already got into that part. And then Wes puts a New York Times article out though, so who's milking it? That was kind of crazy, I'm just like, once he's in on. But anyways, also, the other defense I do have. No, I'm just like, why are we, I'm not, who's accusing Wes of milking it?

He did an interview, and someone asked him a question about the breakup milking it? He did an interview and someone asked him a question about the breakup. No, that was not an interview where someone asked him a question. That was an entire New York Times article based around him and Sierra. With the conversation he never had with Sierra. What was the headline?

Pull up the headline, do we have it? It was like, being Sierra and being the newbie guy and that he just fell, or like that he just wanted to break up with her. But it was like a bunch of headlines that they showed, but it's like, no, there's no reason why somebody from a first season on a show is getting a New York Times expose on his relationship storyline.

It made zero sense. The headline was, Wes Wilson of Summer House discusses his first taste of infamy. When Mr. Wilson was accused on the reunion of misleading Sierra Miller, his castmate and former romantic interest fan backlash was swift.

That's the sub pipeline. That is the entire fucking article. Okay, and then what was the problem? And then he came on here and he talked about it on here. I think which one he did, I didn't think he did that, ours first. We're just saying, like clearly

in this entire group of all of these shows, all of these people are pretty hypocritical and every breakup gets really messy. And so I don't think there's really a place to take like stand on sides because I it's clear that there's a lot of disconnect between everyone involved. I'm with you. I just think, you know, just I just don't think more than anything we should be like the idea that Craig doesn't have the right to be upset and that he is supposed to have Paige's back after they're broken up, regardless of how Paige chooses to move and operate, to me is nuts. But that's nuts.

Yeah. My whole thing is just the term milking it claims that it's like we're trying to drag something out. I don't know how someone's milking it when they're not really talking about it. Yeah. And it's been like two, three months. So it's like, let's give the guy a little bit of time to like feel a breakup. Sierra, was it Lindsay that said the word milking it? I mean, Sierra was insinuating that. I'm pretty positive it was Sierra that said it because she's the one that has like the headlines

going about it too. Did you see the memes of it? What's going on? I know it was Lindsay. We can keep this in the episode, but people were saying there's gonna be another war in its summer house for Southern Charm. Ooh.

Cause it's like, the two fan bases are pinned against each other. I'll see that fight between Sierra and Lexi later on. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Girl. Yes, Jesse Sullivan being so messy. Was that in episode one?

Teaser. Teaser. Coming up, Sierra and Jesse are flirting and Lexi is pissed. Oh, because Jesse's just like... Because Jesse's being messy. Messy Jesse. Well, Jesse is like, you know, he's friends with Sierra and he's just like...

He has that friend where you just like... I used to be... When I was single and I had like girlfriends who were just friends, but like, you know, they were attractive, you know, be like, oh, you're so hot or whatever. Yeah. Oh, I'm not going to look up your skirt. But he starts looking at, you know, he starts liking another girl and he's still doing the whole you're so hot to whatever. Yeah, I'm not gonna look up your skirt. But he starts looking at, you know, he starts liking another girl and he's still doing the whole

you're so hot to his quote unquote friends. Well that's why I'm like, they're just messy because I'm like, usually for me, a friend's ex hookup, whatever, would be off limits but it's like, all right, West, you're done with her, let me take a whack at it. They're messy in the summer house. Sierra's a little messy.

All right, well I think Kazzie David is almost here, so. Kazzie, welcome back. Hello, for girl. Yes, thank you. Where do you wanna start? Your amazing new movie, Traitors? No, I don't wanna start with that. You don't wanna start with that. We already talked about it a little bit.

Yeah, I feel like that's enough. No. Do you know Nick Lehman? Yeah. He DM'd me and was like, I was terrified the entire time, but I couldn't stop laughing. Oh my God, I love that.

I love that. It's the best thing you can say for sure. Well, how you been? Yeah. I mean, I'm always kind of like weird and bad, but fine. But fine. Yeah. Okay. You know, like surviving, hanging in there.

How long did it take you to write this movie? I don't actually know like the exact length of time it took us to write because there were a lot of drafts over the span of like a couple years. But I would say like definitely a couple months to start out and then yeah, like probably like a five year process, like trying to get it off the ground and stuff. That's honestly like an, like just the average,

I feel like for everyone to make anything. I don't know how movies are even made. Yeah, honestly same. What inspired you to write this genre of movie? Mainly that I knew so many people who had also gone through something like this. And I just thought it was so ironic that all these rom-coms start out the same way

as these like textbook abusive relationships. And like, why isn't that a movie? Well, it's funny, because sometimes you watch these rom-coms where Sex and the City is a show we love watching. And then it's always portrayed in this very romantic way that you're supposed to be like, oh, I want that. But when you take away some of the shine, you're like, wait, is big kind of like toxic

and emotionally abusive potentially? Like, you know, when they don't romanticize it and like this movie really kind of leaned into that. And I just really love the, just the self-deprecating humor about like more than anything like how we lie to ourselves in relationships. Yeah, for sure. That's great.

I think it was also, it was also spawned from like me being annoyed how like misused all those terms are online. Oh yeah. Like the love bombing, gaslighting, you know, toxic, narcissist. Like it just like started to really piss me off and I just kind of wanted to show like what it actually means. I think the line about, I texted him that I had a dream about him and he didn't respond. It was like, I was like, the amount of guys I have been like, oh my God, you were in my dream last night.

It's like a really bad pickup line. So bad. It does not work. My favorite was, if you're not gonna go to therapy, at least watch some of the TikToks I sent you. Yeah. It was really funny. The idea with the dream thing, it's like, you know,

I actually did have a dream about this person. So it's like weirder to not tell them that I had a dream about them, you know? But then it sounds like you made it up. Yeah. It's kind of like when you leave something at a guy's place and you're like, don't even want to tell them because it's so cliche to like be like, I left something there.

That is so true. It's like I'd rather just like leave. Just leave it. Yeah, even if it's like my favorite belonging, like it's too embarrassing to tell them. That is so true. I meant to leave that. I don't want it back.

You can have it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause then it's like, well, what was the dream about? And then you have to be like, well, I was like in the ocean fighting wolves and then you were there. And it's like, okay, sure. They'll never ask you what it was about. It's like all you want is to be like,

well, we like both looked really cute and like. We were making out a lot. It was super hot. So lot of tone. Yeah, like you were loving it. Yeah, no, you're in love with me, so. Yeah. And then you co-wrote and directed it

with your friend, Alisa. Yeah, yeah. We've been like writing partners for like 10 years now, so. And was this your first time directing? Yeah, we've been writing partners for 10 years now. Was this your first time directing? Yeah. Yeah, well I directed, I guess, a web series, which I don't even know if that counts. I guess it does, but yeah.

I felt your first future. Definitely lower stakes. Were you saying action? You know what, I have a really hard time saying action. Oh no. How are you a director? I know. So I actually would have the AD yell action.

I just felt like... I'm not me. I'm not someone who can say action. You're like, can we start yet? You're like, I'm trying to get it out. I'm gonna say that thing that people say when you want to start the scene, and you guys know what that means.

Everyone go. Yeah, so feel free to just start when you want to. Um... Whenever you're ready. Yeah, no, not an action person, for sure. That's really funny. Oh, that's great. Well, the movie is,

I know you don't wanna keep talking about it. I'm fine. It's really good though. You should be really proud. I love a good rom-com. There's not enough of them out there today. And I was texting you about this yesterday, but you know, I think every generation has their breakout movie.

When you're breaking up with someone and you just don't really know how to feel about how you're feeling and you wanna connect with something, sometimes there's a movie out there that really not only speaks to the pain you're feeling, but it calls you out on some of your bullshit. For me, it was like, Forgetting Sarah Marshall,

and I feel like this movie for this generation, because it does top topically like talk about some of the things that people out there are dating experience and just some of the language people are using, whether it's correct or incorrect and things like that. Because like you said, there's a lot of people out there who have dated people like this

or have had relationships like this or have acted that way in these types of relationships. And I think it can be very eye-opening and help people get over that stuff. Because forgetting Sarah Marshall, as great as it was, I was going through a breakup just like that. And just to be able to watch that, I watched it over and over. And every time I did it, it helped me feel good.

Because he kind of woke up and really saw her for who she was throughout that movie. Anyway, so. This is definitely not a feel good movie. No, it's definitely, it's dark. But it is very much like, it feels like, it does feel like a rom-com for our generation and that was kind of the point.

The ending is, I loved the end. It's very uplifting and it really, it's a kind of a, like, Swingers has that ending where it's kind of that like, aha moment at the end. Right, right. Anyways, congratulations. Thank you. Thanks for watching it, you guys. Right, right. Anyways, congratulations. Thank you. Thanks for watching it, you guys.

Appreciate it. Of course, it was really good. It was really good. You can find it on Amazon. It's available, it's out now. It's called I Love You Forever. Someone did message me and say, I found it and oh my God, it's so romantic.

And I was like, girl, get help. Yeah, I thought it was. I actually watched a different movie maybe. It's on Apple too. Anywhere you can buy a movie, it's out there. Anywhere you can buy a movie? Yeah. Okay.

SNL 50 was last night. Yeah. Did you see your dad's- Glam bot. Glam bot was pretty hot. Oh my God. First of all, I was like, I can't believe there's a glam bot at this thing.

This is like a, this is a comedian. It's like, why is there a glam bot? It's like, was this the Oscars? Yeah, that is. That was weirdly placed. It's like, why is there a glam bot? It's like, is this the Oscars? Yeah, that is. That was weirdly placed. It was so weird. The whole first half, I was like, this is so over the top. And then the second half, I got super into it.

And I was like, oh, this is like amazing. Where was like the break for you? Honestly, like it's so weird, because usually in an SNL episode, like everything before update is like better. And then after update, you know, they made a joke about it last night, but you get a little sleepy.

And I felt like the second half of the show was way better than the first half. But the second half, it was like bringing back all of those people and those really good sketches. I love that, they were great. And Paul McCartney, like that's the coolest thing ever, seeing him perform, like, oh my God. That was sick.

It was also cool to see Cher, his audience. Do you have a question? No. Yeah. I don't. I don't. Everyone answers that one. So many, I mean, Will Ferrell.

Oh my God, that one's funny. It's so cool. The prison one. The prison one. Yeah, that was great. That's a great sketch, yeah. Oh, were some of those, I mean, I haven't seen every episode of SNL,

so some of those were iconic, have done before. I would say most of those sketches have, yeah, are old sketches that. Cool. But I think it's like, once a cast member leaves, whose sketch that really was, they don't really do it again. And so when they come back, you get to see them again.

Did they ask your dad at all to join in anything? You know, I don't really do it again. And so when they come back, you get to see them again. Did they ask your dad at all to join in anything or? You know, I don't know. I mean, yeah, I'm not sure. Ryan and Blake made a little appearance in the audience. I thought that was great. I thought it was pretty funny. Really good. No.

That's kind of the only way to just kind of, I don't know the word, just. Like diffuse the tension almost. Yeah, it's like, is you have to go on SNL. Like I was saying like Drake needs to go on SNL like this year. And that's like his only option. That is so true.

Like Drake has like literally two options, which is like to fake his own death or go on SNL. Like drop all the lawsuits and just go on SNL. I was trying to think like if I was his PR person, like what would I tell him to do? And SNL was the only thing I could think of. It has to be at this point. Like, yeah.

It was pretty funny. They made an appearance as a couple. They look great. Justin Baldoni is out surfing in Hawaii taking pop shots with a really bad back. A back that's so bad that apparently he needs to like get unsolicited updates on Blake Lively's weight, but he's surfing.

Back's doing better. That's a good point, that's a good point. It's probably because he figured out Blake Lively's weight that his back is doing better. I have surfed in Hawaii, and it's not nice to your back at all. Yeah, it's quite a dangerous sport. Anything else in the SNL that we trying to think?

It was long, it was good though. It was really long. It was really long. I also, I love SNL on a Sunday at 5 p.m. Like they should just move it. Move it, Sunday night. That was nice. Like Sunday at five watching SNL was great.

It was really great. Like while you're cooking dinner, it was perfect. What did you think of the Kim Kardashian skit with Kristen? Oh, like that's an old sketch too. I thought that was hilarious. I, you know, some of them they're so bizarre. You don't really know why it's funny.

Yeah. And that's not really my humor is when I don't know why it's funny, but I, that one is just like, I was cracking up and I was like, I don't even know why. I'm finding someone is so crazy. She's got that forehead. Yeah, it was great, it was great. He said, I found you a helmet.

And it's like super low down. Did you see the outtakes of, you know that bit where it was Will Forte and Jason Sudeikis and Will Forte was in the like the Elmo costume? Yeah. And they stood up in the crowd. There's like outtakes now and they're like, who played Wednesday Adams?

Jenna Ortega. Yeah, and I guess she was like right next to Jason Sardakis and she keeps like dodging his hand movements because like, you know, it's so small in there and she's just going like this. Oh my God, it's hilarious. It's pretty hilarious, you gotta watch it. I think there was also a point of that

of like her trying to play a bit of like, what the fuck are these people doing here? And then trying to play. Because I think her and Kevin Costner were doing the same kind of thing. Like he was like, let me get my glasses out and put his glasses on. Kev looked hot. Kev looked hot. I can't ever really remember his face.

So I'm trying to think of who it is. Think of hot. A hot man. A hot man. Kevin Costner. It's ringing a bell. It's ringing a bell. It seemed a lot of random that he was there though.

I mean, there's a lot of... It was literally the Oscars. Yeah. It's ringing a bell. It's ringing a bell. It seemed a lot of random that he was there though. I mean, there's a lot of- It was literally the Oscars. Yeah. It was crazy. It was kind of weird looking into the crowd as they would pan in the commercials and everyone was like- I almost wish Lorne had died

so it would justify it a little bit more. I wish this was like, oh, like a celebration of what Lorne has done. What are we gonna do now when he does die? It's like, we're going to have to do this again. Yeah. Yeah. And it'll be like a little played out by then.

It was nice to see Zach Galifianakis. Haven't seen him in quite some time. Yeah. He's just, he's great. Traders. Traders. This is what you've been dying to talk about. Well, I was really dying to talk about it when Boston Robb was still on.

And now that that's passed, I'm so much less invested now. I don't really know who to root for. I know. I, and this is interesting because I know on The Bachelor, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but they, they want to keep certain people around to keep it interesting, right? Yeah. Like they won't really let.

Yeah. And I like that on, on traders, you can tell for sure that they don't do that. They like, they're like, play the game, like remove anyone you want to remove. Short of, we interviewed Rob last week and he was talking about, like when he showed up, you know, they had that plan of how they presented them and you know, that or the bringing them back.

Short of like how they introduce them and things like that. Yeah, the producers are- Yeah, but that's the thing them back, short of how they introduce them and things like that, yeah, the producers are... They're not pulling strings as much as... I can't tell if I want them to pull strings a little bit more because they removed every single strategic person. And without anyone who has that kind of manipulation skill, it's just less fun to watch because they're all,

now it's just like a bunch of like chickens with their heads cut off, like running around. Like I don't really know. I feel like maybe they'll figure it out, maybe they won't like. It's kind of a weird place when it's like, Sam is making the most sense out of everybody in a round table situation.

You know where Sierra fucked up? I was thinking about this this morning because I was like, just donned on me. So let me know if I'm wrong. But she got the shield, right? Yeah. And she hit it. Now some people on her team knew that she had the shield. But if at some point in the round table, she would have been like, guys, I haven't said anything because I'm trying to like suss out a trader, but I have the shield. I felt like that would have helped her cause. It doesn't make sense that if you're a traitor, that you would. Well, a lot of traders get the shield

so they seem less like traitors. No, not that she had the shield, but I'm saying that she hid it from the traitors. That's a really good point. She definitely should have said that. At some point, I feel like she should have owned up to that. That would have been a really good case for her. Maybe like right before they vote.

Like, I actually have the shield. The way, where she messed up was not pinning it on anyone else directly. They had, she gave no one else a like, oh, well what about? She just was like, well, Brittany, you're sketchy and Danielle, like you, someone else said you're not. Yeah, she had to make the case.

Like Rob would be like, you know, remember when they did this? Well, they did this because, well, you know, he's seeing the moves. He was so blatant where I was like, I just can't, these people are so stupid. I think that there's editing though. I don't know. They're just all like, oh, that really does make sense.

And it's like, when they got Wes out, which was like, you can take Wes out based on like a few weird personality traits or Rob with like a mound of evidence. They're like, I think maybe like this guy, cause he's been a little bit weird. He's kind of an asshole. Yeah. I don't like him.

Would you do it? You know what? I like, I would. You should do it. Like I think I actually would, would you? Yes, someday if I can. It's tough with the show. Would you? Like you guys could both do it.

Yeah, that would be fun. Could you imagine if we both were there and like you were the traitor and I was the faithful? You guys should do it together. And I had to, like, vote you out. I had to be like, wait, I think it's my husband, everyone. You really got to do it together. Would you be so mad at me if I voted you out?

Oh, my God, I would divorce you immediately. The thing is, you wouldn't have a choice. Like, you'd have to vote. Well, that's what's annoying about this game, is that, like, you vote her out and you're like, see, like, why would I do that? And then they're like, because you don't want us to see, whatever. And then it's like, if I was a trader,

I would have kicked her out because I want people to know that I'm not a trader. So you can say anything and it's like, it's a viable thing. Kazzie David said she would do your show. If you're listening. Yeah, I think soon enough, my career will be at a place where I should go on traders.

No, traders is elevating Kazzie. No, Traders is elevating, Kazzie. No, exactly. It's not. Your career and Traders are gonna be- That's what I'm saying, yeah. You're big enough. I'm sorry, you're being self-deprecating again. I'm gonna keep up.

Back to your where they should produce more, I do think in the beginning, they should produce with the murders. They should be able to tell the Traders, not that, like with Dorinda. We don't need to kill Dorinda right now. She's good TV, she's funny, let's keep her around a little longer, pick someone else. They could have definitely.

They could have, yeah. The fact that we're currently watching Sam whatever and Tom whatever, it's like, I just don't, I wouldn't put that show on. oh, like stupid people playing a game. Like I wouldn't really watch that. I do say I would, I love Sierra. I think she is like beyond gorgeous and chic and smart. And I love Gabby.

And everyone else, I'm just kind of like. And Dylan. Dylan's sweet and like sometimes he's on the money, but other times it's just like, it's so random. It's so hit or miss. He's been wrong a few times. The rest of the game players, which are, what, Danielle, Brittany, and Carolyn, they're just, yeah,

they're not good enough game players to make you feel like... And sometimes I'm really rooting for the Traders, you know? Like, because they have the hardest job in the whole show by far, so you kind of are like hoping the best for them. I feel like the traders have the best chance to go, like I think if you're a trader, you're almost guaranteed to go a little far, you have better odds to go further,

but it's almost impossible to win, I feel like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's interesting. Were CT and Trishel faithful? Then they were both faithful. I'm kind of. Also MJ. Yeah, I knew she was. They and Trishel faithful? No, they were both faithful. I put it. Also MJ. Yeah, I knew she would. They did her dirty.

They really did. Oh my God, MJ. Yeah, justice for MJ. What happened? They turned out. They sold her out. They voted out Kay Chastain, and then they were like,

oh, let's do another person. They're gonna split three ways, and they're like, actually, no. But it's like, I'm not really rooting for Danielle or Carolyn, I just don't really care. I mean, them fighting every turret meeting where it's just like, y'all might as well

just rock, paper, scissors, murder one of you. It's a disaster, but what do you guys think they're gonna do? Do you think they're gonna recruit someone? And if they were to, like, what is the smart thing for them to do at this point? Well, right, so it ended with them fighting about that. Brittany, right?

Yeah, about Brittany, Danielle wants Brittany. I think the smart move is to try to recruit someone. Yeah. Because like Danielle said, I mean. You wanna be able to throw someone under the bus. They're pretty confident, one of the traders is at least one woman, they're right about that, their only traders are two.

Well, the thing is like Danielle's playing an emotional game right now, where it's like, it would actually make the most sense to have Brittany in, not because she's your best friend, but because people are already looking at her as a traitor. That I'm like, if they do vote her out in the next round table and she became a traitor,

then it looks like you guys are actually onto something or we got one of the two women that we're thinking are traitors out. But Danielle wants Brittany on as a traitor, as like a, as a teammate, and that's not going to work if you're trying to protect her. Like Carolyn ultimately like is right to not trust that situation. Oh, totally.

Even though I'm like, that is your only option. I think, well see, I think Carolyn's making an emotional decision as well because it's just more, she's just kind of like, you lied to me, fuck you. Like she's just like, I can't trust you. They both need to compromise. I think Caroline should compromise and invite someone in, try to seduce a faithful, but that person should be Gabby.

I just don't think any of them are really going to help their game that much is the thing. Gabby's the smart, Gabby's the only, Gabby's really the only option. Gabby, if Gabby wanted to put the gamer head on, she could totally do it. Totally. I think that she could have fun with it too.

And now because like, you know, Chrishell's gone, all the Bambi girls are gone, so if you're Gabby, you're like, fuck it, I have no loyalty to anyone here. Like, why not? Yeah. That's true. Wasn't it that if you get recruited though and you say no, do you get murdered?

I don't think so, no. No, but like there's always a choice of like, do you say something? Do you not say something? Yeah, because they're going to tell that, you know, they will say, well, because no one will get murdered, right? If you get seduced someone, no one's murdered. So they'll find out no one's murdered. And then like, they'll be like, oh, well, someone got seduced or like, um, seduced,

recruited, whatever. I don't know. That's what I said. Someone had sex, we don't know who it was. I don't know, it's like Castle, you know? Yeah. But it is simultaneously, like, it started out as like the best season and the worst season that there's been, I feel like.

Why the worst? Because the traitors are fighting. Because of what's happening. Yeah, yeah. Because of just like how they played and like who the traitors were from the jump. What did you think of Tom Sandoval in the dollhouse? I mean that was just like incredible TV.

Like that was so funny. There was not one ounce of him that thought it was like funny or joke. He was like, this is the most serious thing I've ever done. No, everything he does is 100% serious. When he was running, holding that tune. Like as if he was holding on more baby for dear life. As if that does anything, yeah. Does that even do anything?

Say what you want, but I'm like, it's making him more endearing in my eyes. I'm not gonna lie. The fact that like, A, they would not have gotten through that challenge without him being so like. Ah, ah, ah, ah. No, listen, I have a soft spot for Tom.

He's growing one during this whole process. After doing special forces. Yeah, you have a soft spot for him because you realize how truly stupid he is. I have no choice but to feel bad for this person. He's an imperfect person who is, he's only capable of so much. Yeah, he isn't capable of more than what he has done and what he does. Part is I can't be that mad at him because he can't be that evil. He's't capable of more than what he has done and what he does. Part of it is I can't be that mad at him because he can't be that evil.

He's not capable of it. Yeah. Well, he's too stupid to even know what he's doing is that evil. Like his statement at the round table about the, what did he say? Also, generally speaking, and historically, girls are better cheaters than guys

just because they have better social skills. He was like, I didn't mean it like that. I'm a traitor. He's like, no, for sure, guys cheat more. Cheaters. I would know guys cheat more. So dumb. So dumb.

So dumb. So dumb. Yeah, all my favorite people are gone and even the people I hated, like I did want Boston Rob out, but I'm now mad he's gone because I'm just, but at a certain point it was like

all of them in just Boston Rob. It was like, this is just a cult. We're just watching one person, like one smart person manipulate 10 people. If he would have lasted another round table, would have been like, okay, like y'all have to be so stupid. Like seriously, it's been like four rounds of round table

where it's Boston Rob and someone else. It's not interesting. There needed to be like Derek's still there. You make a good point. And that's, I think that shows a weakness of the show. The gamers were there to like focus on TV. And that's why Rob was speaking up. And that's why like Bob the drag queen was speaking up.

Cause like they wanted to make TV, but no one else would say anything. So they had like too much attention on there, too much heat. What I will say though, it's not even just about TV, but for the sake of the game, mafia isn't fun when it's just actually a bunch of idiots and one person just being like, this is easy.

Yeah. If you play mafia, you need people who are good at the game. But also the game players are so used to competing for a final prize and having like an incentive where you have the housewives and whatnot that are just like paid for drama, but like they don't know how to get to like the final round. For some of them, this is their first game they've ever played. So it's like to your point, the gamers are like know how to be strategic to get to the

end. But like a lot of the housewives and people are like, well, I don't really know who. Well, Phaedra was one of the best traders ever. Lawyer. Yeah. But like, that's what I'm saying. Like there's just some people who have those skills. Would you want to be a trader or a faithful?

A faithful. I would never want to be a trader. Oh my God. Why? Why? Yeah. Isn't it obvious? It's like, I don't want to feel like I've murdered someone and like the cops are after me like every single day. You'd be crying every breakfast.

You'd be tough though, because you have a very like constant like energy. I think I would get out quickly because people would think I'm a traitor, even though I- The whole like your energy's weird. Yeah, I would totally get out if I had bad energy. For sure,

it would be like your vibes are off. For sure, like first round. I'm honestly shocked that the whole, I mean Sam's like strategy of, well, let's see who didn't know what Alan was wearing because that's gotta be the traitor. That was smart. It was genius.

Why did they not like catch on to Carolyn's hesitancy? I know, that was so stupid. Cause you had Tom Standoval. And they were like, yeah, it almost worked, but it didn't. It's like, it totally worked. It kind of did. You all just aren't listening.

But then you had Tom Standoval being like. Ruined it. Yeah. No, he was wearing. I thought just aren't listening. But then you had Tom Sandoval being like. Ruined it. Yeah. No, he was wearing. I thought Bob the Drag Queen was so incredible and I was really upset that he, I'm upset that he's not in the game anymore. I thought he was so,

I thought he was so performative that it was like so obvious that he was a traitor. No, I actually didn't. I thought he played an amazing game. Yeah. Because when you're a traitor, you're actually not that outspoken. Like it's, it's kind of crazy to be that outspoken as a trader. It's very brave. I guess that's

what I would think. Yeah. Rob didn't call him out. He wasn't going home. Yeah, no way. That's true. That's true. It was like he was literally Dylan on an island alone. Right. And like the fact that Danielle's made it so far is also shocking to me. I know that that day that she kept putting everyone else's faces on the thing. I was like. She's always just twitching. She's always like crying. And everyone was like, that's crazy.

Like that was a huge thing. Like, whoa, like why is she doing this? And then nothing ever came from it. I think Derek said some, when we interviewed Derek, he was like, she's just so emotional. At some point you gotta be like, why is she still crying? And he was like, but the thing is she was like that

from the start. Like it was like, you gotta be like, why is she still crying? And he was like, but the thing is, she was like that from the start. Like it was like, you know, she was consistent with these emotions. So it was like. Was he touched how bad she felt about? Yeah. Yeah. It isn't knowing how loyal she is to her friends. You're a traitor. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

As a traitor. No, your wife's not there. Yeah, well, we'll see what happens like as the game goes on. I mean, she's gonna have to at some point betray her friends. Someone. She's gonna have to at some point betray her friends. Someone, yeah. She's gonna have to. So who do we have left?

We have. Carolyn, Sam, Dolores, Dylan, Gabby, Sandoval, Ivor, Danielle. Oh my God. Brittany, and then Sierra went home. Worst game ever. If they don't recruit, if they don't recruit Gabby or Brittany,

they're gonna kill a guy for sure. because there's no point in killing a girl. And they're gonna kill Sam, because he's like, two on the nose, I think that whole, like, Carolyn thing. The fact that Sam is the one on the nose, like, that shows you have dumb, this group. That's what I'm saying. He's the smartest one in the group right now.

The fact that they're gonna be in the turp, like, we have to get rid of Sam, like, he's a threat. He's not, he's not as... He said that he, like, played into the, like, we have to get rid of Sam. He's a threat. He's not, he's not as. He said that he played into the dumb model to like scape by. Did he say that? Yeah. He's not.

Oh, okay, interesting. He's not a gamer. He didn't come in. I think he's pretty smart. He's just showing up to update his brand. He's not coming to win traders. I don't think he gives a fuck about the show. What is he coming on for?

I am still here. Exposure. Probably, yeah. Little limelight. But I'm also like, if they get rid of Sam, then I'm like, wouldn't it just instantly put a target on Carolyn's back, because his whole gameplay was to try to see

if she knew what Alan's outfit was. Like I'd say yes, but these people can't say that. They would never remember that. They had Carolyn right there. They can do whatever they want. It's not gonna matter. And they all said, Sierra, it was you, unanimously. Carolyn could say, I am a traitor.

And they'd be like, you're so funny. Yeah. She's so freaky. They'd be like, I still think it might be Dylan. You're such a trickster. Yeah. Yeah. So I, yeah, I don't even care what happens at this point.

Who do you think wins? Like it doesn't even matter. Like whoever wins doesn't even deserve it. Do you know what I mean? Like it's not because they played an amazing game. So therefore like the winner is like not even a winner. That is a little frustrating with this. And I think Rob was mentioning this,

that like there are, there's almost too many variables they can't control. Rob was talking about game theory. Like, wow. What did he say? I should have listened to that. He was just talking about like just, well, if I would have went after Wes,

then I had to think about, you know, it's always like, he's always thinking three or four steps ahead. And he's just talking about just like, if you do this, there's a theory behind this, and there's like, there's immense amount of strategy behind the moves that they're making. They're not voting for their friends

because they wanna save someone, or they're not voting for someone. Sometimes they would go with the majority because that's a strategy, but there's always a strategy. And most of these people, to your point, they're not strategizing, they're just kind of, they're all surviving. Most people are there to survive,

not strategize how to make moves. Yeah, I mean, it's my favorite show. Sounds like it. I know I'm frustrated, but it really is my, it's like I look forward to it in a way I've never felt for anything. I really wanna see it go on. Yeah, I mean, you're gonna have to have me back on

for the next season so we can actually have something, you know, of substance to talk about. It is crazy how Tom Sandoval carried a whole episode of Traitors. Yeah. Well, you know, because sometimes you just need to laugh. That's true. Well, he's the only person in the castle

that's musically inclined, so. Who was your guys' favorite, like, before everyone good died? Yeah. I mean, it was really fun to watch Boston Robb just because the way he's able to gameplay was just incredible. But I mean, I wish Ion, Chanel Ion

would have stuck around a little longer. Her tweets since she's been off are so funny. Pretty unhinged. I wish we got to see more of Derek's gameplay, to be honest. I think he was like the smartest one knowing how, what he was like watching in people call out. Chanel thought everyone from Survivor was

because they had survived a disease. No, I hate that. I really hate that. everyone from Survivor was because they had survived a disease. She said. No, I hate that. I really hate that. I loved Wes and Bob the Drag Queen was incredible. Well, that's when he threatened to murder all the girls who get his revenge. That was a disaster. Do you watch Challenge? No, I've never seen it.

Oh, okay. He's like really big on that and that's pretty much like his style. So it's like seeing how his style works for the challenge but doesn't work in Traders where it's like, you can threaten, do whatever, but I dare you guys to give me up, but if you don't, Traders, they were like,

no, we're not gonna take time. What is the like, and to not bore anyone, but like, what is like a really short synopsis of the challenge? Like what is that show about? I've actually never seen it. It's a bunch. It sounds sick though. It used to be like a bunch of like MTV people from the real world and Road Rules Challenge

and it's evolved since, but they're like dropped down in like Bolly or whatever. And they do physically strenuous games where people get down in the bottom and then people get voted out, but it's a lot of like negotiating and trying to an ally ship and whatnot. So it's like a lot of manipulation, but it's also a lot of like physical strength

that's exerted. Yeah, I just don't, I hate the physical stuff. Was Wes on a house? I just skipped through the challenges. He was on real world, either Houston or Dallas. It was a Texas version back in like 2000, I don't know, it's eight, seven. I watched it in high school.

Okay, then what is Big Brother? Is that dress manipulation? A Big Brother I never watched an episode of. I just know it's a bunch of people living in a house and that you can get voted out that way. And it's like, you're being watched 24 seven. Like maybe we should just get really into Big Brother. You know, like none of your listeners care.

We just like love it. Some of them watch it. File files plus. Yeah, maybe. Do you want to stick around and interview some love is blind and bachelor people or do you want to get out of here? I could, I just haven't watched any of it. It's up to you. You guys can like I don't like I'm not gonna be like

Yeah, I'll stay and you guys be like Stick around stick around. Do you care about Paige and Craig's breakup at all? Are you following that? I'm not following that I don't care. I really would love your opinion. I did watch third episode of The Bachelor, the one before. Oh, great. That's so random, why? Because I was coming on and I thought if you were gonna send me that. Do you think Rose, yeah, I don't care,

you were Team Rose or Team Carolina? Carolina. She's like, I watched it. Who are those people? Wait, so I don't understand the dance thing. Like what happened? Oh yeah, because she didn't see the dance. We'll explain that.

But I heard that there was like murmurs of it and I said that's interesting, I'd love to know what happened. There was a group date. Yeah. In between the group date, there was an arbitrary winner, which they often do. And so that girl was Carolina,

and she got to dance with Grant in front of the other women on the group date. And at the end of the dance, she decided to like sit him on a couch, straddle him and suck suck his face real hard. Carolina did. Yeah, Carolina. Okay, in front of everyone.

She cries a lot, she's become the villain of the season. And there's this other girl named Rose. I would have never suspected that, because I watched one episode and I was like, oh, this girl's great. And that's the problem is you really do need to watch all of them to understand their psychology in a huge way. Yeah. Then apparently, Carolina and Rose had a conversation,

and then at some point, according to Carolina, who went back to Grant and tattled on Rose, Rose said that Grant told her that he was thinking about Rose when he was dancing with Carolina. And did Rose say that? Rose didn't really remember. She was like, I might have said that. But wouldn't we have seen that happen? No, we didn remember. She was like, I might have said that. But wouldn't it have been, wouldn't we have seen that happen?

No, we didn't. So we did. And he just said like, listen, like I'm always thinking of you. Like even with like dancing today, like, you know, I'm always thinking of you guys. And then what did she say to- And Carolina repeated it back to Grant

as if he said, Rose, well, I was dancing in second place with Carolina. Yeah, but Rose still shouldn't have said anything to Carolina. Like what, in what situation was Rose like, yeah, he, I was thinking of you. Yeah, but Rose still shouldn't have said anything to Carolina. In what situation was Rose like, yeah, he says he's thinking about me all the time. That's the worst thing about The Bachelors

when they tell each other the compliments they're given. Thank you, thank you, Kazza. I really hate that. It is hard, I will say, I was a big Bachelor head. It's hard after Love Island to watch one single couple. It is, yeah. The stakes are so much different. It's just like, and it feels just way less real

in a way that's like not as, yeah, the stakes are definitely different. Well, the stakes are still pretty high in Love is Blind. Just stick around. Okay. All right, Kaz, he's gonna stay with us. We have Dave from Love is Blind coming up next, and we'll discuss with him the first three episodes

of Love is Blind. I know there's six out right now, but we got a reality recap on Thursday. So we'll cover the episodes four, five, and six on Thursday's episode of Reality Recap. And the new batch comes out after that, and we'll keep on covering. All right, so let's get to Dave.

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Are you enjoying the first couple episodes of the season? You staying offline? Hope so. Uh, trying, trying, staying off like the interweb stuff for sure. It's been interesting. You know, it's, it was a kind of a tough weekend, not going to lie, but, uh, it was, it was kind of a shock. Like I was sitting there ready to, I was so curious to see everybody else in the pods

and like see what they have to say and things like that. And I heard there was like a lot of shit that went down. And then all of a sudden they just focused on me a lot. So I wasn't really prepared for that. But overall, it's been been OK. What shit went down that we didn't get to see? I think I got to hold off on that. Just some other stuff. I know I'm sure it'll come out

at the reunion and stuff. So like, I just heard there was a lot of stuff with these other couples that they just chose not to show. Okay. Well, I'm assuming you're referring to the stuff they decided to show of yours, specifically probably around some of your jokes that depending on who you are landed or didn't land.

Do you want to address them or the probably the 30 year old women joke probably piss people off. I personally think it's really funny. The crazy thing about that is like people, like if you kind of understand that humor or whatever, like people could tell it was a joke. It was in like Lauren, like I think she handled it really well and we kind of like connected after that and hit it off. So I just, um, you know, I'm happy I approached it the way I did because like it landed with

a lot of the women, honestly, and it made things fun and I have a personality. So I was happy to like show that side of me. And it also like weeded out a lot of the people that I didn't connect with. So it kind of like helped me get there a little bit quicker. And I like to keep things light, you know, keep it fun. And honestly, that came out like in the speed date, like portion right away. So, yeah, I mean, I was just trying to have some fun with it

and see who I connected with. Gotcha. Do you think you can take it as well as you can give it? Ooh, yeah, I think so. But I'm kind of quickly learning that it's harder than I think. Okay. Were there some other jokes on there that you shared

that didn't get aired? Maybe some better ones. You're like, ah, they showed that you shared that didn't get aired? Maybe some better ones? You're like, ah, they showed that one, but what about this one? This one, we were really laughing. Oh, man, I mean, I talked a lot. You're in those pods for hours on end and there's just a lot of stuff you talk about. But no, again, I think that's a really important piece of a partner that I looking for. And I want to be able to have fun with that with that partner. And I feel

like I just wanted to be myself and just make sure people understood me for me. And David, I don't watch the show, but I just wanted to know like, what compelled you to do something like this? They show me talking about like, Botox filler, you know, stuff like that a lot. And that was I was in that industry at the time. And it's, there's nothing wrong with a little Botox here and there. Like I'm a fan of that, but yeah, to go on the show, like it was a big part of, like I'm, I've known I've been shallow in the past and I really don't want to be

like that. And I feel like I talked a lot about how I, I want to be, you know, the person I know I can be. And when it comes to looks and loving someone for the right reasons. And I was thinking a lot about that when I got there. And honestly, I didn't really know what to expect. I kind of just went in open-minded and just I knew I'd make a few connections

that I didn't expect to go as far as I ended up going. And you can always give them Botox and filler after. That is true. That is true. That is true. True, but that's up to them. I hope so. Who else? Were there anyone that you had dates with

that we didn't get to see? Yeah, I actually dated Taylor for a very long time. We had a lot of fun in the pods together and I guess there's a lot of stories they have to tell and they didn't really show that part, but it was actually kind of tough. When we ended things, you know, there's a lot of stories they have to tell and they didn't really show that part, but it was actually kind of tough when we ended things. You know, me and I think Taylor's awesome. And, um, but yeah, we dated for quite a while and it's always funny looking back on that and knowing like, I had no idea, like she had such a strong connection with Daniel.

Like I just, you just have no clue because the guys didn't really talk about it. Did you get to know Madison much at all? I did not. Madison was, that's a wild situation. I guess that's somebody I was referring to. Like, I was curious to see more of what she had to say in those pods. And, but no, she was the first date I had and I thought she was very normal and cool and didn't have anything bad to say, but sounds like there's a lot of other, you know, things going on there. Yeah. I wonder if maybe we just haven't gotten there yet. You said in the pods that your sister wasn't thrilled

about you coming on the show. What was her take on this last drop and like end of you being on the show? Yeah, I mean, I think she's kind of just taking it in stride. I think that's just such a funny and like the internet is just insane because like apparently having a good relationship with your sister is a bad thing. Like, yeah, sorry, she's cool, whatever. But I think she's doing okay. You know, I feel like if she was

struggling with it, she would have been like talking to me and texting me a lot. But I think she's doing all right. Is it cringy? And I don't ask like in a judgment way I asked him like, because I would be cringed out watching myself flirt and try to like use pickup lines on people. Did you feel that way about yourself or you're like damn I got it pretty sweaty. You know it's actually like it's funny you say that like it's so hard to focus like you're so like kind of excited to watch you're also like nervous so you kind of you pick up on things I'll probably have to rewatch it, honestly, because it's watching.

I watched all six with Devin, and it's just hard. You're just kind of distracted while you're watching it. But no, again, I think I just tried to have a personality in the pods, and people can take that in a negative light if they want. But I was just trying to have some fun. I remember going into the pods, like, oh, the pods are open. The guys, some of them would ask, like, Dave, what's, what's your plan? And I'm like, I plan like, what do you mean? I'm just going to go in, be myself and, and see what happens.

You know, it's, you only get like eight to 10 minutes with each person. You got to keep it light. Were you, uh, you, were you surprised that you started developing feelings? Oh, absolutely. I was, I was completely thrown off. That was like one of the harder parts to watch, like watch back and have these kind of feelings and emotions come back. Like, I, you know, going into that, I thought, I think I already mentioned this, but I thought I'd be there for a couple days, didn't really expect much. And I ended up just like, really buying into the process and the experiment in general. And it was good overall, like not only the connections I made, but like the growth that I had individually,

just like kind of going through that process and making sure I was being open, honest, and just raw, being my real self. It was kind of refreshing, but it was very hard to go through. And it was a lot harder than I expected. I feel like the next kind of refreshing, but it was very hard to go through. It was, and it was a lot harder than I expected. I feel like the next kind of batch is like the honeymoon vacation phase. Obviously you were there in real time.

You know what happened. Usually that's when things start to get a little messy. Are you nervous to watch those episodes come out or are you kind of like, no, I'm good? No, honestly, no, I feel like, I mean, me and Lauren had a blast on the getaway. So I am curious. But again, like I thought this going into the first batch, I kind of had that feeling too. And then it was like, Oh, nevermind. You're kind of like the focus of the show.

Did you have any more jokes down there? Or probably, I mean, I don't know. I like to joke around like life short, man, you got to have fun with it and not get bogged down by all the, all the craziness and stuff. So, but no, I mean, we had so much fun with it and not get bogged down by all the craziness and stuff. I agree with you. So true. But no, I mean, we had so much fun and I'm excited to watch some of the, just the events and like things that we did because it was really fun.

Yeah, no, not really. I think there are a few moments where we talk about like physical stuff. I can't give anything away yet, but there are a few moments where I'm like probably pushing that on some of the other people, just trying to figure out, you know, where they're at. So hopefully they don't focus too much on that. I feel like that's the usual that happens every season. Everyone kind of tries to suss out who else is fucking, you know? Yeah. I mean, it's, I feel like it's a very normal conversation to have, you

know, and people, some people think it's weird. I think it's very, I mean, 33 now, 33, it shouldn't be weird to talk about that. Period. You're only 33. That's what the 30 year old jokes. Yeah. You're in your early 30s. Well, that's why I thought it was funny.

Like, I don't judge anyone for that. I'm older too. I don't give a shit. Men aren't really attractive until they reach at least 36. So true. I met Nick at 37. So true. So what do I got to do in the next three years? You look great. You look great. You just have to wait. Just a waiting

game. Honestly. Do we have any more questions for Dave? I don't think so. I'm excited to watch this season unfold though. Dave, really appreciate your time. I know that you're at work or you took some time off to talk with us. So I appreciate you taking the time and best of luck the rest of the way. Stay off the internet. Don't read your comments and you'll be just fine buddy. Got it. Thank you. I appreciate it as well. Hopefully it doesn't disappoint me the rest of the way. You'll be great. All right. Take care bud. Thank you. Yep. I think what you guys do is actually, it's so much more than a podcast because you're giving these people who are on these reality shows

a chance to either redeem themselves or explain themselves. And who else is doing that? In this way where it's like you have people coming in. Thank you, Kathy. I just think it's really nice, especially imagine what it does to their mental health. How do you think Dave did? I don't know. I don't in. Thank you, Kathy. I just think it's really nice, especially imagine

what it does to their mental health. How do you think Dave did? I don't know, I'm honestly like, I have to go. No, you're here for the long haul now. Yeah, sorry, we actually locked the door. This is so funny. And we're really won't be able to leave. I feel like he definitely 100% regrets making that joke.

That's the only thing that people are shitting on him for. And he's like, it was one second. I thought it was funny. She kind of laughed in the moment. Like it's really not that big of a deal. And everyone's like, you're such a dick. I'd like to know if he was actually joking. He was definitely joking, but like.

I just want to, maybe I just want to see his timing, you know. Because like maybe it was just like his icebreaker and it's kind of a good way to tell someone sensitive or not they're not gonna get your sense of humor. Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's that offensive. Yeah. I think it's like- It's not that big of a deal for sure.

Hilarious, yeah. Like it sounds like a joke I would make. He said it was such, and I guess you probably would too, just like with such a straight face. Yeah, well that's how, that's the only way to land it. Yeah. Oh, he landed. He definitely landed.

Do you wanna talk about Madison? Madison is triggering me. It reminds me of every relationship I had in my 20s, early 30s. Why? Well, because so Kazzie. Yeah, I'm seeing her face. Madison is dating Alex.

Alex, upper left. Yeah, I see him. And Mason. She tells Mason, there's something you need to know. Well, it's so clear just from their photos that she should be with Ben. That is true. She tells Mason that there's something he needs to know

about her nipples and it is that they're pierced. She did feel the need to make sure that was, it was like, before you propose to me, you have to know my nipples are pierced. She's also very open that was, it was like before you proposed to me, you have to know. Might have been the first. She's also very open about. Doesn't feel like something you. She's also very open about her trauma.

It was like a surprise. She's like, I've had a lot of shit happen to me. And like, I can't tell you specifically what, because you know, we're on camera, but like I hope you're okay with knowing I'm fucked up, but I can't tell you exactly how. And Alex, Alex's storyline is, he's a handsome guy, but he talks about how growing up,

he was the ugliest of the Ucklings, according to himself. He said he had a big afro, and braces, and really bad acne, and he said that like, he got really bullied. It was really, you know, and you really love this guy, right, you know, and so he's now, he's this very sweet, handsome guy, but has this gentle, sweet face.

Definitely could grow a beard, but yeah. He could definitely use a girlfriend makeover for sure. He wears a lot of the mock neck turtlenecks. Okay, yeah, I'm seeing it in the photo. He's falling in love with Madison. And I'm triggered by it because Alex kinda reminds me of me when I was that age and Madison reminds me of every girl I pursued

when I was that age and it's the person who is just like, I've done some work so I'm self-aware. Yeah, I do. But I still have problems. And so she is selling this self-aware person who like. It's weird because when you humanize the fact that you have or whatever your issues are, by being so honest about them, it actually,

it's almost more manipulative, because it does humanize you in such a crazy way. I think they're gonna end up together, Alex and Madison, and she's gonna fuck him up so bad. That's what I was thinking about while I was watching The Bachelor, which is like, that's the difference between when there's so many women and one guy,

rather than all these guys and a woman, where it's like, it's so hard to watch some of these women manipulate this guy, you know? Women are so much smarter than men. So it's like when it's the men and there's like one woman, she's not really getting manipulated by them. Like maybe sometimes, but you always see on these seasons, like one of these girls like really go for it

and try to convince him. And almost like nine out of 10 times, he totally buys in. So true. It's hard to watch. Because the Bachelors, they can't really question anyone or they can't. Every season of The Bachelorette,

there's always like, it's like week three, week four, where some guy says something wrong and then she storms in where they're all staying there. And she's like, listen up motherfuckers, if you're not here for the right reason, there's the fucking door. And everyone's like, oh, what a queen, she's great. Oh, she's serious. And like, The Bachelors is always like, hey guys, we just want to be nice to each other and please like. Well, it's like one girl telling on everyone with like a lie and him being like, if you guys don't start being nice to her, you know, I don't know, it's just, it's hard to watch.

It is hard to watch. Yeah. I found the moment. You found it. Oh my God, good job. Oh my God. I think that's hilarious. I wish she would have had a better reaction.

By the way, that's great. He's immediately said, I'm joking. Like you totally believe him. I thought that was a great joke. 10 out of 10. He also made a joke right after saying he was on OnlyFans. So I'm like, I think this is just his icebreaker of showing his personality. I actually thought that was a perfect joke. You know what the best part about that is? That I really laugh. Well, she's behind a screen. She can't see him, but he still wrote down,

like still not attractive as if like she could see him. He really leaned into the bit. Yeah. Yeah. So great. He's like, I'm so still not attractive. Very funny. What do we think of Joey and Monica

who got engaged episode two? I can't watch. I was like, that can't watch. Ooh, Joey and Monica can't see. They're the- Get married, I don't care. They were the Taylor and Garrett from the beginning of last season where it's like, okay, you're in love, we get it, you're going to last forever. I don't care, give me the drama.

Oh, it's so wholesome, so I like it. Their accents are crazy. Oh, this is from- What are their accents? They're from Minneapolis. Minnesota. It's a lot of don't you know. Oh, and theirs are really thick, the Joey and the Monica.

They're both from the same place? Yes, they're all from the same place. That's kind of why this show is great, because then they make them like live together, so it's like how their relationship would take the next step. But have they always done that? I don't remember them doing that. It's always in the same city. Not the first season, I think.

Yeah, they didn't do that. Not the second season either, I thought. They did the second season. Really? Okay, well that changes things a little bit. That makes the show, I guess, a little bit more believable. Because then you can still go to work and live a normal life.

Yeah. Well, that's where things go off the rails too, because it's like, it is that. It's like, oh, I come home from work and I like to have a drink and then this is when the fight starts and it's like, and now I'm stressed and I'm back in my normal life.

So yeah. Yeah, but it's not interesting because it's like, yeah, of course there's gonna be problems. There's problems when you don't meet someone like this. Right, but then when people are like normal and good and cool, nobody cares about them. And then everybody cares about the drama that does ensue,

but there are healthy relationships that actually do come out of it. I really hate this show. So, so stupid. When they propose to each other behind the screen, it's the worst and best moment of TV every season. It's just like- It's like, are you standing? Are you kneeling?

Yes, and the guy gets down on the knee and he looks at a wall and he proposes. And it's always, and then the girl will like go up to the wall and like touch the wall. Like it's- And then after they propose, then they have the big reveal where they have to walk down the hallway

and look at the person that they have formed this relationship there, now their fiance, and be like, did I make a mistake? It's ridiculous. I also think the show would work just fine without them getting engaged. Like you don't actually need them to get engaged in order for you to-

To get married, Kazzie. Yeah, it's so stupid. It's so stupid. We should have asked Dave what was on his sex playlist. Cause he does admit to having a sex playlist. And like if you're still playing music while fucking, honestly get a life at this point. Yeah, if you're like, hold on,

let me find my morning car ride, airplane vibes. It's giving them in a movie. Sex playlist. It means you're a fuck boy. Like you're fucking. If you have created a like, this is what I wanna fuck to playlist and you spent time like picking out the songs. Like you're not in a relationship.

You don't wanna be in like a movie scene though. I've never done that with a girlfriend. Who, girlfriend or non-girlfriend? Why are you doing it? That's not true, you used to call him Cautious Clay. We were just fucking. You used to say, Alexa, play Cautious Clay. We were not boyfriend and girlfriend then.

As soon as we were boyfriend and girlfriend. Who the fuck is Cautious Clay? No, Cautious Clay. We were not looking for a girlfriend then. As soon as we were looking for a girlfriend. Who the fuck is Cautious Clay? No, Cautious Clay is like, that like makes music for sex. Yeah. It's like the weekend vibes. Like, that is really, really fucked. It really is.

I wish I didn't know that. Yeah, I was just talking to you Monday morning. So, it's fine. I've lost didn't know that. Yeah, I was just starting your Monday morning. I haven't asked in a long time, so it's fine. I've lost that love and feeling. You have. Shut up. I think if someone tried to put on music, even just before, not even without sex, I would.

Call the cops? Yeah, it'd be a bit sad. I'm just like, what could be on there? Watching someone put on music, I find really embarrassing. That is so true, like them scrolling to find a song. Making a choice, you know. No, hold on. You have to have it playing before you walk in I find really embarrassing. That's so true, like them scrolling to find a song. Making a choice, you know? You have to have it playing before you walk in

so you don't have to think about it. Right. If you forget, you can't go back. If it's a conversation of like, should we play music? It's gonna be silent the rest of the night. Imagine mid-makeout stops, hold on, skip this song, it skips to another one.

Or like, what is it, like Genuine Pony? Like that's where I'm just like, what is on a sex jam's list? We should have asked and that was a miss by us. Oh my God. Yeah, it's cautious clay in the weekend. That's what it is. I can't think of anything else. It's Jeremiah, like birthday sex. It's, you know, it's a lot like lollipop by Lil Wayne.

It's a lot of that. Well, it used to be LL Cool J back in the day. Oh, good Lord. I actually do have to leave. Is that fine? Yeah. It's like, I know the choice was either like stay or go now. The choice wasn't like you could stay for one

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Genuine pony. Apple cane. Any song. Taylor Swift. No, Taylor Swift is good. Any song. Taylor Swift to fuck to? Reputation era?

Do you have a sex playlist? Like revenge sex. Look, I don't have a playlist anymore, but I'm a big advocate for music. But when you were single and out there slinging it, you had a playlist. And then now that you're in love, you're just like, you don't.

Yeah. But I also think it's good to like be in a movie at some point, like having sex during like a soundtrack. But they don't have music during the movie. They put that on after. But like I can. The post-production thing. But I feel like I'm in the movie.

Understand the film process, Justin. Yeah, literally. No, but she made a point. thing. But I feel like I'm in the movie. Understand the film process, Justin. Yeah, literally. Yeah. No, but she made a point. It has to be playing when I walk in and it has to be a casual thing. It can't be like a- Yeah, just stop things going. Wait, I see where this is going.

Hold on, I got a playlist for this. I did. Uh-oh. What'd you do? I had to like skip a Pitbull song one time because music was playing and I was like, this can't happen. Ethel Cain did. This can't happen.

How did Pitbull end up on your playlist? Mr. Wild Wild. It wasn't a specific playlist. Honestly? It was just music was playing, hotel rooms are, I was like, I can't. Oh, we have the hotel mode to holiday in. They in.

Wow. And I was like, I can't, this is not, it ruined the vibe. All right, should we get into The Bachelor? Yeah. They're in Madrid. I think Rose leaving means I was right. I think it's giving, she's like,

I was sabotaged and I no longer can be here. I mean, her conversation with Grant was not the slightest bit reassuring. She's like, it put a stint in our relationship. He's like, yeah, it absolutely did. She's like, all right. He's like, all right. That still means that she said and did something

she knew she shouldn't have done and Carolina definitely threw her under the bus and definitely screwed her over, and is definitely the messiest of the group, for sure. In the teaser, you see Dina even turn on Carolina, and that to me is like, okay, we're clearly seeing that she is making sure. Because they were crying in solidarity

at the end of this episode. Yeah, she's like, I see myself in you, or you in me, or whatever. Carolina's kind of the worst. She's the Carolina show. 100%. Not a fan. I disagree's kind of the worst. She's the Carolina show. 100%. Yeah. Not a fan.

I disagree. What? I disagree. I think the house are being bullies. Okay. I know this goes against everything I said last week. Yeah, you last week was like, the house can never be the bully.

It is Carolina to the max. She's the worst. I'm over here forgiving Zoe. I'm like, I get your trauma. We need a name for Leia's. You always say you deserve the right to be wrong. I've been calling her Chaos Leia. I love arguing with Leia.

What? I've been calling her Chaos Leia. Yeah. Chaos Leia. That is what they call me. Cause I'm always just like, bumbling in. So wait, like back your girl, Carolina. Yeah. okay.

I just think that they're coming a little hard on her. I disagreed with Juliana. I just think that like mind your own business a little bit. Like if she's clearly anxious, like she's like, I don't know if he's the guy for me. We've had one date, I need more time. She's just saying everything that's going on in her head out loud.

You don't think that if you were in a room with a bunch of girls who are all going after the same guy, one in particular who's had a shit ton of time with him, and she's like, I don't know, I'm just like, I just like don't know if I see, you wouldn't be like, really bitch? Like come on. Do we know exactly what she said?

It was in last week's episode where she was going off about like, I wish I never even went on that date's episode where she was going off about like, I wish I never even went on that date. Like, I don't feel secure about this. I need more time. Or I don't even know if this is the person for me. Like she went on a whole thing

after coming back from Vegas where these girls were like, I haven't even gotten one-on-one time with him at a group date. I don't remember that specifically. And then even on this episode where she's sitting, they're all on the couch and she's like, I just feel like. I don't remember it specifically,

so I do think context matters. I do think sometimes in that world, the house, the bully will go after anyone who's not saying I'm deeply in love with the lead week two. Anyone who's demonstrating any like, hey, we'll see and I still wanna get to know someone and I wanna take my time and yada, yada, yada,

is sometimes like portrayed by the house as like not being grateful for being there. No, no, no, no. I think that is valid. I think it is Carolina saying, I wish I would have never gone on our one-on-one private jet to Vegas. Like that is a very ungrateful thing to say

to a bunch of women who are dying to have time with this man. Okay, and that's a temper tantrum. And I also think that this is providing a little bit of context of why Rose said what she said is because I think Carolina is going around complaining, saying all of these thoughts, and they're just like comparing stories and whatnot.

And then whenever Carolina gets upset, that's when she's running to Grant or crying and whatnot. But like you think a whole bunch of women dating the same men want to hear you complain about how your time was spent or you not getting enough time when you've had the most time, you do seem ungrateful. And Juliana was being an adult, pulled her aside and was like, Hey, in the context of which you're talking about Grant, it doesn't seem like you want to

be here. And if I was saying things the way that you were, I would hope someone would say to me, why are you still here? I really don't think Juliana went about it in a way that was like disrespectful towards Carolina. I think she was just like, hey, this is kind of like what you're saying and it's kind of rubbing a lot of the other women like the wrong way.

Maybe you should like stop or reframe the way. And Carolina turned, it was like, I never asked you for your opinion. I never, and like she made it. Carolina said, so what are you asking? Yeah, but that's the thing. If she would have done that in front of all the women who also felt that same way Then Carolina would start crying and being like everyone's attacking me and ganging up on me

What she still end up doing anyways without that happening? So I'm just like no she's playing the victim But then also when grants not around she's talking shit or at least being like Well, somebody should feel bad for me for what I'm going through and I just don't you've had the best dates experience He's pretty much made it very clear in front of women kissing you and whatnot that you have his attention and it's still not good enough for you. Do you think Carolina was milking those tears when Grant walked in?

100%. All of a sudden she was like, I can't even let you get through a sentence with that. You don't, Leia? You think all of Carolina's tears are 100% genuine and authentic from the natural spring? Yeah, I think that she was like overwhelmed in that moment. I think she's on the wrong show if these are the things she's worried about. You know what I mean?

Like... Kind of on the right show, but... Well, she is on the right show. But like for her to be like, oh, I'm not sure about Grant, it's like, girl, you're on The Bachelor. So the house is like, it's kind of a cult mentality, it seems to me. And so she's not buying into it. And it's like, to be on the show,

you kind of have to buy into it, right? Yes and no. Again, I think it's splitting hairs. I always get annoyed. And I was kind of that person on Andy's season. I was like, I don't know, I'll get to know her. I had early attention, so I liked her earlier. But as soon as I was like, my villain edit started

when people were like, he's ungrateful, he's on a date, and he's not sure about her yet. I'm like, that's because I just went on this, I don't know. Literally, I've never spent more than 12 minutes with her. And this has happened multiple seasons, that narrative gets used against people sometimes. But Carolina is going on a date,

complaining about the date, saying things like, I didn't even want, like kind of throwing a fit, like saying things that she's not grateful to have that day. That's different than someone saying, I had an amazing time with this person, I love what I've gotten to know, I have more questions. I'm not in love yet.

And sometimes the I'm not in love yet has been weaponized against people in that house. But that doesn't seem like what Carolina is doing. Carolina, yeah. No, Carolina is making a point that it's like something is happening to her and everybody's time now is being completely monopolized by Carolina having tears and a problem.

Either deal with it head on or discuss it with Grant in your one-on-one time and then sit down and let other people have their moment. But it's like the entire night, every Rose ceremony is everybody consoling or Grant needing to console Carolina and it's just retired. Yeah. It wasn't a little dramatic though for Rose to have her panic attack. No, I mean, even then I saw like when she went outside, I was like, the sun is coming up. They've probably been drinking and I'm just like, I think it just got to her. She's like, yeah, I've been here all night.

We're not getting time together. The last time we talked, we were disconnected. She confronts the situation and it's like, yeah, he's not saying I was gonna pick you tonight or like, I don't want you to go home. He said, okay, let me walk you to your car. I'm like, okay. I don't think she was overreacting.

I don't think so either. I think Carolina put the nail in her coffin and she was like, there's no going forward from here. Like I need to go at this point. I still agree with Kazzie. Rose, if nothing else, she was foolish. Yeah, she trusted Carolina. Yeah, she shouldn't have. But the more I'm watching Carolina,

the more I'm wondering if Rose has got duped. Rose got shashed. She got duped by someone playing a more sophisticated game. 100% chest and checkers. Somebody flashed back last episode of us. Rose got duped. She got duped by someone playing a more sophisticated game. 100% chest and checkers. Somebody flashback last episode of us. We're only working with the information we have in front of us.

As I was saying, because even then, I've changed my tune completely on Zoe. Now knowing what I know about her background, I'm like, okay, I understand why you're defensive and that you're not trying to open up with these women right now and you're coming here for a goal. I still stand by the fact that if you're coming on The Bachelor saying you're not trying to open up with these women right now and you're coming here for a goal. I still stand by the fact that if you're coming

on The Bachelor saying you're not here for making friends, you don't get to cry when the women do not like you. But even seeing them all come together, I was like, okay, this is just like easing into things. It's a weird situation having 20 women dating one man or 10 women at this point dating one man. But like- I'm team Latia, whoever.

Like the fact that she was voicing concern over Carolina Yeah, like she's got all I needed to hear me and Latia our Instagram friends now I said I'm obsessed with you Latia seems like she doesn't she really who knows but she gives like above the drama Yeah, but if you know if you ask her her opinion, she'll give it on a stand Yeah I was like above the drama. Yeah. But if you ask her her opinion, she'll give an honest answer. Yeah, period. I love that. One thing I have to say about Grant's season

and tell me if you agree or disagree, but I kind of feel like watching this season, this is the first time where I'm like not really sure where he's gonna go. Like I feel like he has so many genuine connections with these women. Like even his date with Sarafina today where I was like, wasn't thinking of hers

in yesterday's show, but like how much chemistry and how great their date went and they just were on that three on one last week and it's just like, I never know, I just feel like there's always a new woman that's like pulling forward from like the back ranks and usually when you're watching Bachelor, you kind of have like your top four throughout. I agree, I don't have a good read on his like favorites.

Well, he sent Natalie home and like one of them, like he was like one of her tops, read on his favorites. Well, he sent Natalie home and one of them, he was one of her tops, one of his tops last week. Then it's like he brought the rocks and stuff for Parise after having the cute chubby bunny date and gave her the date rose and then she went home. So it's just like, it's kind of hard to navigate which way he's going with things.

It's definitely Latia, Juliana, or his top two, his final two. I feel like I didn't see a lot of laughing or humor or goofiness or childlike playness with Dina or Sarafina. But it's conversation with Dina where she was like, you know, like, I'm here to also take care of us. Like, it's not just you. No, they both had really great, deep, important conversations, but I didn't see that like, ha ha ha, we can still be kids.

Right, chemistry. And joke and laugh, yeah. Juliana's one of my top runners, and then it was like even last week with the, this week with the confrontation with Karolina, I was like, oh no, up until they sat and talked, and then I was like, okay, here's the chemistry again, but her not getting a one-on-one,

I was kind of shocked by that, I was like, what is happening, I thought she was your front runner. It's the chemistry again, but her not getting a one-on-one, I was kind of shocked by that. I was like, what is happening? I thought she was your front runner. It's only week four. Your real front runner usually gets their one-on-one week five, usually. I think Juliana gets a one-on-one next week. We have Parisa to give us a little bit of

insider baseball. Let's bring her up. Well, welcome to the show. Yes, thank you for having me. How are you feeling after your, well, you haven't watched it yet. We know, we to the show. Yes, thank you for having me. How are you feeling after your, well, you haven't watched it yet, we know, we've seen it. You're kicked out, you're exiled from Madrid. Yeah, no, I'm feeling great.

It was, not gonna lie, kind of unexpected in the moment, but after getting home and reflecting on everything, like, you know, like I understand and, but no, I'm doing, I'm doing very well. Thank you for asking. You're sounding you like you saying you understand and I mean this with all the love in the world, like, like you don't really mean it.

Like you really want to say, this is bullshit. I shouldn't have gone home. like you really wanna say, this is bullshit, I shouldn't have gone home. No, no, I had this mindset all, you know, throughout my journey and this mindset was, don't get involved in drama, you know, you're not here for that, just stay separated and just keep, like, just stay focused on this journey of like, you

know, being in the moment, you're growing a relationship with Grant and exploring, you know, seeing where this is going and you don't need any distractions. And so after doing some, you know, reflection on everything, I feel like I dropped the ball that, you know, reflection on everything. I feel like I dropped the ball that, you know, this last week in Madrid with getting involved in drama. Like you wish you would have got more involved or you regret getting involved? I regret getting involved and just like kind of allowing it to get into my mind space. How did you get involved in it? I think, you know, throughout the whole time, I mean, as you've seen, like I'm always in the back with like, you know, biting my lips, not speaking up, you know, like drama that

was happening throughout the season. This last week in Madrid, I kind of couldn't take it anymore with just like the negativity and the constant back and forth. And I just, I kind of, I interjected myself and more conversation regarding just the drama that was happening. And I kind of allowed it to get into my head space. And so I was kind of just focused on that that week

and not as focused on what I'll be bringing to my conversations with Grant, what I wanna talk about with him, what I want him to know about me. And so I just kind of allowed it to get into just like my head space and it just was very, it just distracted me. Do you still have the rocks that Grant gave you or did you throw them in the trash?

Oh, no, of course I have those rocks. It was still like, it was such an amazing journey and it was so fun. And especially to like in Madrid, like our group date and my time with him, they're all like wonderful memories that I'll have forever, especially the Rocks. Especially the Rocks.

Where did you land? Were you team Rose or team Carolina? Well, you know, it's hard. You know, you know, I wasn't there, you know, when the notes were being shared between them. So I'm not entirely sure specifically what was that between them but I feel like we all just kind of need to read in between the lines and Understand to that not everything is shown. It's kind of the tip of the iceberg of what is being shown. Could you elaborate? We all especially in the beginning of this journey, we're all sharing notes with each

other. We're all talking about our time with him. People I've maybe viewers don't know, but like we don't have any communication outside with our friends and family. So it's the same like what you know, when you go on a date, and you know, like at home, when you go on a date, you come home, you tell your best friends everything, and we don't have that. So we are confiding in each other. We're talking about our moments with him.

And I feel like we all know and expect that everyone's going to be having their little individual moments with him. Like, this is what we signed up for. So I don't know. I feel like none of this needed to happen. So it was normal for like all of y'all to be, like it was normal for Rose to confide in Karolina

about what she thought Grant had said to her, and it was out of the ordinary for Karolina to go and tell Grant that. Oh yeah, and I feel like it's known too, when we all talk to each other, we're all like confiding in each other, and I feel like it's just known like if I'm doing that, like I I can trust or I mean, I hope to trust that they're not going to turn around and go talk about it with them. Definitely. Yeah. It brought a lot of negativity

to the house and it was tough. Do you think Carolina's like sabotage your time? I personally like looking back at everything. I, I don't believe it was intentional and like it was just it was a domino effect these actions. It did have an effect on how much time we had with Grant following you know her confronting him because it did you know it took up other girls time that they would have had with him. Are you pro steal him on a group date to get some time or are you like need to respect everyone can't do that? I feel like you just you need you need to be respectful and I kept saying too I started to notice it's truly if you focus on the quality of your time with Grant rather than the quantity of

like how many times you take them how how long you're with them, then I feel like you do set yourself up for success. So, definitely Team Rose, it sounds like you're Team Rose. I... Just, again, I don't know, I don't know this needed to happen. You strike me as someone who, like, before you came on, you seemed like a little, like, you were kind of the sassy one, you had the PowerPoint, you know, and now you're, like, afraid to ruffle... You're, like, were kind of the sassy one. You had the PowerPoint, you know And now you're like afraid to ruffle. You're like you're afraid to ruffle feathers. I

Just sat back for the most part watched everything and you know, I could see with some people again Like there's no point in confronting them There's no point to say anything because it's not gonna it's just gonna be a back-and-forth game and it's not gonna fix any problems and so I never was like motivated really to just confront, you know, some people throughout this journey because of that reason. And when you say some people, do you mean Carolina? Or, or who do you mean? Yeah. Yeah, I feel like I had a moment, I think it was last week's episode, when she got back from her date, my approach was to ask questions, to have her answer them.

And there just wasn't really a great exchange there. Like it just seemed like she, you know, she just wasn't really looking for help or a solution in that moment, which is totally okay. Sometimes people just need to vent and like that was, you know, it's totally fine. What were some of the questions that you asked? Cause I know she said that she kind of like regretted going on the date in general. So was this before she said that or after?

This was during that conversation. I was just more just like asking like, you know, like how do you feel? And when she would say certain things and like, well, how did that make you feel in that moment? Did you say this to Grant? Does he know? So just like questions like that,

just to kind of like talk her through it. And I wasn't really just I wasn't getting responses. But that was enough for me to be like, you know, we're gonna let her work this out. Again, like I don't want to get sucked in. When I was there, I use this analogy. I related everything to like playing Mario Kart. When you play like multiplayer Mario Kart, so you know, you have like So you have your screen split up into four different screens. And everyone's in this race. If you take your eyes off your race for one second and you look to see where someone else is in the race,

you might crash, you might hit the wall, you might run over a banana, and that throws you off then the race you're on. And it takes one second to just glimpse over to see where someone else is at to lose your place in the race. And I just kept relating it to that. I'm like, okay, like put my blinders up, just focus on my screen. Like this is not going to help me obviously in my connection with Grant. This isn't going to help me at all. So like, let's just get back into my lane. Makes sense. Interesting. And then he is me at all. So like, let's just get back into my lane. Makes sense.

Interesting. And then he is sending you home. That was a bummer. During your journey, what was your favorite moment with Grant? I have a couple. So one of them wasn't shown, but it was a really good moment. It was after the basketball date. I kept goofing around on the court. I was like, teach me a free throw, teach me how to make a basket because I have never played basketball before. And then I kept joking. I'm like, oh, I'll teach you how to play soccer because soccer has always been a sport I played my whole life. And I was going to look for him

to steal him for my time. And he was like, come with me. And then we walked out to the front and he set up these two soccer nuts. And he had a soccer ball waiting there. And it was just the cutest thing. We played like 1v1. And it was so funny. I'm in heels and I'm like, no, no, no, these heels are coming off. Like you were playing a real game. I loved that and then the rocks too when he gave me the rocks after our group date that was very meaningful. Are we gonna see you on the beaches of paradise? If you get asked will you say yes? If I get asked I really am looking for a husband. I'm not having any luck and I heard the success rate is very good there. Bachelor in paradise

is fun but I don't know if I would go there like, we're a husband. She said the success rate's high. I guess it is pretty good. It could happen. I guess it's higher than- It could definitely happen. It definitely is higher.

Yeah, and you see some of those success stories too. I mean, currently, I mean, for me right now, it's Hannah and Dylan. That is very, that's inspiring. Yeah, Kaylin and Dean, they're paradise, and happily married. Ashley and Jared? Ashley and Jared.

Well, where are their success stories? They remind us every season. That story's amazing. They do, they do remind us every single season of how much success they have. How much success they've had. Well, thank you so much for your time. Sorry it ended so shortly, and maybe we'll see you on the beaches of paradise. Yes, thank you so much for your time. Sorry it ended so shortly.

And maybe we'll see you on the beaches of paradise. Yes, thank you again for having me. Thank you. All right, take care. Say hi to your cat. Thank you. Bye. Bye.

Well, she seemed lovely and I wish her well. Maybe we'll see her in paradise. I hope she gets every single rock she has ever dreamed of. It sounds like she really hated Carolina and didn't want to say it. Hey. We tried. Should we jump to Summer House? Summer House. Summer House looks like it's going to be entertaining.

Summer House is back. It does look very good, yeah. Yes. So good. I'm locked in. Lindsay's whole rundown of like, so season one, I did this, now season two. Wow. Listen, there's two new girls, so let me explain to you who I am. It was very much like, and Nick said this, not season two. I can't. Listen, there's two new girls, so let me explain to you who I am. I can't.

It was very much like, and Nick said this, Lindsay's pregnant, oh, let's bring in two 25-year-olds to even out the playing field. And even Jessie being like, there's a pregnant woman here. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and they're bringing in another guy, too.

Jessie's face was everything. No, I do love it because it's kind of like when Jersey Shore did that with Snooki, I think was pregnant during it, and you're just kind of like, so how is this gonna go? And I asked Nick, I do love it because it's kind of like when Jersey Shore did that with Snooki, I think was pregnant during, and you're just kind of like, so how is this going to go? And I asked Nick, I said, I wonder, I wonder, there is no winning, there is no good answer. What is going to happen this summer of Summer House? So the next summer, next season. It's one thing to show up. Does she have her baby bedside in a bassinet with her?

Or does she leave the baby at home with dad or with Nani to like go party in the Hamptons for a weekend? It's a lose-lose. Neither are good. It's a lose-lose. I know what's happening. Lindsey is gonna go to Roni. Mm, Roni?

Didn't they say they were canceling Roni? They're casting Roni. Yeah, they're casting. So maybe. I don't know, but like Nani makes a great point Rony? Didn't they say they were canceling Rony? They're casting Rony. Yeah, they're casting. So maybe. I don't know, but like Nellie makes a great point and it's a great question and it's one that does have, it has no good answer.

It's one thing to show up pregnant and our last memory is you ending a relationship with your fiance who's also on the show and obviously very compelling TV. If I'm the Bravo producers, I'm doing everything I can to make sure Lindsay shows up with baby in the oven, you know, to confront Carl. Next summer, she has a child. Like you can't have a baby sleeping

and Kyle trying to be a DJ in the same house. You just can't. And every summer, Thursday through Sunday, she's just gonna peace out. Guest house. Well, my argument to that was even when West and Jesse were talking about like sharing a bedroom and Connor was watching with me and he was just like,

why would they choose to do this? This is weird. And I was like, well, it is only for a weekend. It's two nights out of the week. So Lindsay very well could come down, maybe not every weekend, but leave her baby at home, come hang out for a night, two nights. Sierra, we're not asking,

this is not like a round table of like how do we figure this out? How can Lindsay execute set plan? We're producing the show. It's what is Bravo Nation going to eat her alive for and it's one of those two and both of them are bad answers. Yes, of course she can do it.

So she just takes off the summer. I think that's her only option of scathing past. She can bring her kid to the Kyle DJ house or like every weekend. Also again, like I don't know what Lindsay, how Lindsay enjoys or like, I don't know what Lindsay's relationship with her child or what mother has been like for Lindsay.

I have no idea. But like, isn't this like the problem with people in general, like how somebody chooses to like be a mother if they go away for a weekend, that doesn't mean that they're negligent to their child. A weekend? A weekend? Every weekend.

Every week. A month. She might not be there every weekend. Every weekend. Every week, a month. She might not be there every weekend. She could be like Gabby, she's not always there. Like, she could skip weekends. Listen, you're right. Paige did it all the time. In the context of a working woman, but the problem with this show is Bravo

just obsessively likes to pretend this isn't their job. You know, that this is a choice of people just like for whatever reason, getting together and they're friends and they just every Thursday night drive out to the house and party like fucking rock stars and drive back. And Bravo wants to like critique Carl about like, and like Lindsay, Lindsay literally lecturing Carl

about not having a job and he needs a job, all pretending that he's not a TV star and that this isn't his job. And to Natalie's point, like Bravo Nation kind of buys into this narrative for the most part. You know, they're just like, what is your job? Because it's not a TV star. And so this the optics are just fucking brutal.

And like, even for the working ladies out there, yeah, it's a tough choice that every every woman and every parent has to face of a very difficult challenge if they have a job that takes them away from their kid potentially three to four days out of the week. That's hard on any parent and any child. Because it's also not a regular job. It's going and partying and drinking and fighting and staying up late and this and that. It's a choice.

And I think Bravo Nation is going to be like, really? This is what you left your kid at home to do? Like I think they're gonna have a problem with that. No, she's not drinking this summer. I was gonna say it, all the girls are in bed by 1030 that are her age. So I'm also kind of like, it's not like Paige and everyone are like, get in the car and let's go to Hamptons.

Night one, definitely. But it does seem to get crazy in the trailer. It seems to really. She's in a tough pickle to like, it's not an easy choice for Lindsay. It's just not an easy choice. I'm interested to see what she has. But what do we think of the new girls? Seem fun.

I know Lexi was dating Brooklyn Beckham. Was she really? Yeah. I saw clips and people were saying she downgraded by coming on Summer House. Which I don't know if... Kind of. Kind of. Well, he is married. If she was dating Brooklyn Beckham. He is married. Yeah.

Yeah, regardless of like that, but like Brooklyn Beckham is like. A Beckham. A Hollywood royalty in a way. Like she's dating. And like now she's with Jesse Salomon. UK royalty. Kind of, you know, listen,

I mean, no disrespect to Jesse, love Jesse, but like, you know, us reality TV stars don't get the same clout. No. As some of the like. Someone whose mom is a Spice Girl and whose dad is like one of the best soccer players in the world. In the world.

And one of the hottest in the world. And the hottest in the world. One of like the most sought after celebrities in the past 30 years, 20 years. And he's the oldest son of this beautiful family. What was the reaction? What like, what did Bravo World, is it Bravo Nation, Bravo World?

What do they refer to themselves as? Bravo Sphere. Bravo Sphere. What did Bravo Sphere think of the two new girls? I think people love Lexi. She's pretty, she's like flirty. But I mean, it's only one episode of her. I don't think people are really talking

about the other friend. I mean, right now, yeah, I'm more focused on Jesse being obsessed with Lexi than I am about Lexi at the moment. How is Sierra and Lexi gonna get along? It doesn't look like it's gonna go well. Because you have two just very traditionally beautiful women by anyone's standards, both seemingly successful models. And so far, Sierra has like-

Sierra's also a nurse, let us not forget. I will say in the teaser, her making out or doing who knows what with Jesse Solomon is random. It was the flirting and Lexi was like, seriously, he's flirting with her right now? And then it came to like, I don't trust you or whatever. Cause aren't they also like dancing in the teaser together? And then I could have seen a make out,

I might've made that up in my head, but- I didn't see a make up, but I'm just like, Jesse, it pays her all of the compliments, tells her how hot she is Like what not that's just part of Jesse's personality and I also feel like Lexi probably Jesse Yeah, I think Lexi probably thinks that Jesse's fully committed to something that he's not but he's also just like a playful person This is giving all the makings of Weston Sierra from last season like Jesse's in love. He's obsessed with her He's like out there. I'm gonna marry this girl episode one with her, he's like out there I'm gonna marry this girl.

Episode one, he's like I'm gonna date this girl. Which I think Sierra and Wes both have a conversation with Jessie being like hey bro, maybe like not so soon, it is the first day, let's pull it back a little bit. First day or not, but at some point Jessie's gonna continue to get to know Lexi and I'm sure like everyone he's gonna like learn some things he likes and some things he doesn't like. Right now, he's just obsessed with how hot she is.

He does think she may be ditzy, potentially. He does think she may be ditzy. But doesn't care. Still wants to sleep with her. I do feel like whatever's gonna happen is gonna be based off of Jesse's actions and not clarifying things, and somehow it's gonna end up Lexi and Sierra are fighting because of Jesse's actions

never having to take responsibility for being in the middle of it. And that's exactly kind of Wes's shit. Wes takes zero accountability for what he did leading Sierra on but then the second that he's ready to move on. Well we don't know what happened yet but why is Sierra gonna fight with her?

Is that the big question? Because Lexi's going to be upset with Sierra based off of Jesse's actions and Sierra's gonna take the brunt of it because that's what fucking happens. It's gonna be the two women pit against each other when all Jessie has to say is, oh, I'm not that serious about you,

or I'm just messing around with my friend, but it's gonna be two girls fighting over the miscommunication based off of one man. Guys fight over women too, like, you know. No. And stars are in the sky. But they don't get pitted against each other in the same way that women do

They do like Lexi would have zero reason to be mad at Sierra if she's the one who's like if Jesse's the one who should take we don't even know what happened yet We'll see we'll see and we will and we will say I already know which side you all will be on for sure this teaser teaser is wild though, because we also have Carl potentially talking to a girl and then Paige saying she caught Craig. I mean, the talking to the girl was like, so you're interested in lemurs or like whatever. Like you look like lemurs, so you like lemurs.

That was what we saw of Carl talking to a girl. It did not seem like he is like getting his swagger back. I mean, listen, he has been off the market for a year. He's just- He's rusty. He's a tin man. Yeah, he's just getting his confidence back. Forget about his swagger. He's just, he's getting his mental health back. He was so real when he walked in,

he's like, I'm afraid I don't wanna walk in there. And the producer's like, well it's normal, like you can. And he's like avoiding at all costs. Having the massive ultrasound poster board. That made me laugh. That made me laugh. My god. That was so funny.

Love. It was so funny. What did Paige say about it? She was just like, Lindsay, I love her. She knows what we're doing. Also Wes, Wes immediate, like, do we know dad? Well, what's the baby's last name? Baby's, do we know last name?

Don't you dare. We're not doing this right now. And was it Paige that was like, you can go up there and ask her. Amanda goes, I dare you to go ask her right now. And he does. I love Wes, actually. It was really funny.

I love all of them. Me too. They're all great. I'm just meeting these people and I like all of them very much. Yeah, they're all great. Do you think Jesse and Lexi will be together at the end of the season?

No. No, they won't. Absolutely not. No way. Do you think either of them will feel a certain way about it? Yes. Yeah, totally. Or do you think Lexi will be very upset with Jesse? Yes. Yes. I don't think anything will affect Jesse

It's gonna be yeah Kyle is trying to be a more respectful husband So he's coming home at 2 a.m Instead of 4 a.m. imagine being four years old and having and needing a pen on the back for going being in bed by 2 a.m Congratulations, sir. You are doing the bare minimum. He's trying the season though. I know, I said finally.

Even when he was like, you know, I had to like really give her time for her friends and like reinforce her doing what she wants to do. I was like, okay, this is what we needed. Yeah, stop thinking about yourself and take a step back and look at what your wife needs. No, it is progress. It is progress.

I'm not criticizing any relationship aspect of it. I'm just like blown away that a 40 year old has the desire. I think he said he's almost 42. To party that hard. Stamina. Even then my favorite is that he like only came home like 10 minutes before the next taxi. That was really.

You all should have coordinated. That's not on him. I came home before all the guys. That's not on him though in his defense. Like, you know, sometimes when one person leaves a party, the other guys are like, well, maybe we should just go. I did love how as soon as he walked in that room, Amanda shot up and checked her phone for what time it was.

And then was instantly like, I'm annoyed at you. Ow, ow, ow. You know he put his hand on the bed and it pulled her hair. Like, you know, it was right on her hair. And she's like, get out of my way. Why is he sleeping naked? Oh my God. That's a really good question.

That's a choice he always does. He's always been naked. Why? You're asking why he he sleeping naked? Oh my God. That's a really good question. He always does. He's always been naked. Why? You're asking why he's sleeping naked? Yeah. You told me you hated my pajama pants. So, and now you're like criticizing a man for sleeping naked.

Wow. Damn. Damn. Gotcha. She got real. Sit in that. And she got silent over there. A pair of pants she has, not a pair.

Not a pair. You said the entire collection last night. Oh. Cause pair. Not a pair. You said the entire collection last night. Oh, well, last night. Because I said these, and he said the entire collection. You don't get to judge someone's PJ pants. What did you not like about them? Okay.

Thank you. What was wrong with the pants? There's plenty of clothes. They just. He wants me to wear thigh-high lingerie, wired lace. Oh yeah, to sleep. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cutouts on the vagina and like nipple.

Feathered heels. Yes, feathered heels. Yes, of course. Fancy's your access. He wants you to look like. He wants me to wear Ashly's chaps. He wants me to. He wants you to look like Liza Manali.

Wear a naughty nurse outfit, anything but PJs. Is it because of the body, like touching? Cause that's valid. That's valid regardless of who you are. The what? Body. Skin to skin contact. Like if someone's bundled up I'm like why am I in bed with you? Oh please I might please do not touch me. That is not for me. Let's just be clear. They're not there for her.

Literally that's what I said. You can't win. Exactly. But that's how you win the game. Southern charm. Southern charm. Southern charm. I'm just reminded of just how unserious most of these guys are, but in particular, Shep. Yeah, ugh.

This episode was painful. The fact that he doesn't realize that she fucking hates his guts is like the craziest thing. Have some self-awareness. She's just not that into you, my guy. At all. At all.

Do you think he's playing into it? No. No, I think he's playing into it? No. No. No, I think he's trying to just like, I don't know. I think he feels like the love of his life, he let go with Taylor. And I think he's trying to like overcompensate with this new relationship,

acting like he has his shit together. And I did ayahuasca, and now I'm a healed person, and now I know what love is. Yeah, he really fucked up with Taylor. Really did. And then I'm like, yeah, the fact that like, going to another country to go see your partner and them not being at the airport for you, like that tells you everything you need to

know. She left the room when he was changing. You did. Left the room. He's like, what do you, his face, like, what do you mean you've seen me change? She's like, yeah, meet me downstairs. I need space. I can't.

He's like, space. We've changed so much. When you guys tell your girlfriend, when you have to remind your girlfriend that you've changed together and she's like, ew. Yeah, I know. So I'm gonna see you downstairs? Well, that was crazy. But that's almost like the problem with this for Shep

is it's like, you know, he's been used to being, like his kind of like, I don't get it, like his aloofness. At times it can be like almost charming and it really has charmed the pants out of a lot of people. But the problem is he's now how, 40? I know he's the same age as Jax. Oh my God. Yep, that's about his age.

44. He is like the trust fund baby version of Jax. He's 44, right? But less powerful. And it's just like, in a relationship, that like, un-serious person is like what you saw with Taylor, where it's just like nothing was that serious,

anytime she wanted to have a serious conversation, it was like what's the big deal, like nothing was serious. And that's gotta feel so fucking frustrating in a relationship with someone at this point in his life. I love the way Shep, Craig and Austin take care of each other, like it really is charming. Like that friendship, those three guys,

like that is something special that they have. It does evolve though, and they do need to grow up. And like you really see Shep in this like stage of his life where you have Craig trying his ass to grow up, like trying his best to grow up. Like we'll see if he continues to do so after like post-page life. Austin, not so much.

Shep, I don't know, somewhere in between, but yeah, he's just kind of an unserious person that I think is really starting to catch up with him at this stage of his life. Because it's kind of getting to the point where it's just like, bro, you kind of have to be, you're 44, be serious about something, about anything, pick something, be a little serious about something. And he's just so unserious about everything.

I also think him being forced to cut back on his drinking based off of BravoCon and his friends not talking to him anymore. I think that he can no longer mask his bad behavior with his drinking or going out or blaming it on that. So it's also kind of like, yeah, you're now being forced to like look at yourself. What do you prioritize? Unfortunately, now you're prioritizing the relationship Taylor wanted with you with a girl who literally wants nothing to do with you. That's human nature. You know, had I known then what I know now, and it's just like unfortunately, Sienna's not the one.

But also it kind of seemed like Taylor was a lot more interested about Shep's and Sienna's relationship than I would be. I definitely wouldn't be calling my grandmother discussing it. Taylor fucking died when she realized that she wasn't into Shep, his girlfriend. Sienna. Sienna?

Yeah. Because first she thought she was having his new girlfriends back. You're like, oh. It's probably you, you gotta do something. And then Austin and Craig were like, no, honestly she's playing him for a fool. And then when she realized that Shep's chasing this girl, she's playing him for a fool. And then when she realized that like,

Shep's chasing this girl, she died inside. You could tell, it like broke her. Oh yeah. He's also flirting with Molly now. Or maybe not flirting, but like the whole thing is who. Molly has a crush on Shep. Yeah. So badly.

Yeah. That's the next season storyline is them together, right? Next season, next episode. What I'm saying, like they're like, true. He's done with Sienna. That's true, they are broken up they're like true. You don't want to see that's true They are broken up in my head now, so we are in Bahamas So if you need a shoulder to cry on in a bikini it could be Molly and Molly's really cool Molly deserves better than ship to me though. Honestly, I mean who knows healed chef wouldn't be so bad

When is chef getting healed though? I don't know but I was just saying like Molly just wants to play, she wants to listen to music, she wants to play her horn. Shep needs to like, yeah, honestly, Shep needs to get broken. He needs to be broke by somebody, like a girl, a woman. Was he not broken by Taylor and BravoCon and his friends and the drinking? Did that not break him enough? We need to be more broken?

I feel like this is kind of like the final, shove the dagger in, it's like, bro, you can't even. He needs to be willing to be serious about something and vulnerable about something. He's a mailbox money kid, though, so that's where I'm also kind of like, he can start a bar tomorrow, if it fails, no worries, but if he does, great, just more money coming into his mailbox

from his family. Oh, he's rich? Oh, yeah. Yeah, trust fund, baby. There's an entire town that they were just in earlier for the Derby that's named after his great great grandfather or some shit. Isn't that what Patricia was like, or Ms. Pat was like,

Sienna goes after rich men? Well, she apparently matched with Whitney. Yeah, so that's where it's like, Whitney and Shep. She lives in the Bahamas and is matching with people in South Carolina. Or goes to parties with all the rich men. She's clearly on Raya. Yeah.

And she's claimed that her grandmother was the biggest fan of Southern Charm, and somehow she ends up matching with Whitney and Shep. And she's claimed that her grandmother was the biggest fan of Southern Charm and somehow she ends up matching with Whitney and Shep. She went on Instagram claiming that she didn't know who either of these people were. That's why she didn't change her name to Shep. She didn't want GamGam to see her watching Naked Man on camera. That makes sense.

Yeah, it's like, was it- Seraphina. Was it Seraphina in The Bachelor? When she was like, I'm not not interested in you. My mom just like is watching this show and I feel weird kissing in front of her. Cause Grant was like, you know, like I just wanna dress, like I feel like you're a little apprehensive

with kissing me and she's like no. Get off my TV screen. I don't need your self-awareness or I don't care about mom or grandma. Like if you're not here to play fucking, this is the pros. This is reality TV, this is ABC The Bachelor, this is Bravo.

I mean clearly she's like very much a fan of the show. She tried Whitney first, didn't work. Now on to Shep, easy access, right in. She like, you know, she's a fan of the show. Yeah, not a fan of Shep. Yeah. All right, well thank you guys for listening and thank you to our guests, Kazzie David,

David from Love is Blind and Parisa from The Bachelor. We are back tomorrow for an amazing episode of Going Deeper with Alessia Cara. She has her new album out, Love and Hyperbole. It's a great album, but we have an even better conversation with her about just what she's been up to, kind of her break from music that she's taken, why she's back, her music in general. Just a lovely human being and an even better conversation that is tomorrow on Going Deeper. And then on Thursday of RealeRecap, we have Denise Richards and Krishelle Staus

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