The Viall Files - E934 - Demi & Brett, Mormon Wives Premiere, The Valley, Mauricio Umansky New Photos & Sonja Morgan’s Dinner

Episode Date: May 15, 2025

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  It’s MomTok season, and what better way to get into the premiere of Mormon Wives than with Demi and Brett! They join to get into everything from Demi’s name pronunciation and performative cast members, to the drama with Jesse and her experience with Marciano. Meanwhile, we get into the Valley and whether Danny is a villain, how to pronounce the word “Cannes,” Mauricio’s newest paparazzi photo, Sonja Morgan’s non-comped dinner, Diddy, HBO/Max pulling a Raquel/Rachel move, and more! You will not want to miss it.  *This episode touches on sensitive subjects, please listen at your own comfortability* “She will do anything to be famous.” Subscribe to The ENVY Media Newsletter Today: https://www.viallfiles.com/newsletter  OUT NOW! Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff. Available wherever you get your podcasts and YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774286896 Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on this podcast please email: [e-mail] or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/theviallfiles     THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: IQ Bar - IQBAR is offering our special podcast listeners 20% off all IQBAR products, plus get FREE shipping. To get your 20% off, just text FILES to 64-000. Bombas - Head over to https://bombas.com/viall and use code viall for 20% off your first purchase. Thrive Market - Skip the junk without overspending. Head over to https://thrivemarket.com/viall to get 30% off your first order and a FREE $60 gift. Sundays For Dogs - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to https://sundaysfordogs.com/viall or use code Viall at checkout. Timestamps: (00:00) - Intro (02:42) - Programming Notes (03:56) - Household Headlines (20:27) - Tipping and Traffic Stops (31:58) - Summer House (38:25) - The Valley (56:14) - Talking Fame with Demi and Bret (01:03:04) - Therapy (01:06:34) - Taylor and Jessi (01:11:35) - Reasons For Joining (01:14:18) - Hair Stylist (01:16:56) - Freak Level (01:20:39) - Outro Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @demilucymay @bret_engemann @ciaracrobinson @justinkaphillips @leahgsilberstein @dereklanerussell   

What's going on everybody. Welcome back to another episode of the VyLFiles Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick, and we are excited to be with you. Yeah, we are. We're, Nick, and we are excited to be with you. What? Yeah. We are. We're not? No, we are. I thought you were just gonna say something about, might you love me?

Oh, yeah, for sure. Love you so much. Shh. How was your Mother's Day? Yes, let's go back to it. No one asked me how my Mother's Day was. Are you a mother? Are you a godmother?

I have a cat. Oh, one of those. You know, I was one of those as well. I was, I was like, I'm the mother of a dog. I deserve a gift. And now that I do have a child, I did not deserve a gift. I mean, I didn't get a gift.

I looked at George Michael and I said, are you gonna tell me happy Mother's Day? And you went, eh. So we did. Yeah, but there was attitude to it. Well, happy Mother's Day, Mary. happy Mother's Day? And you went, yeah Yeah, but there was that Thank you, yeah, remember that birthday that you didn't send me anything you didn't say you were like, oh listen I don't I'm not getting you anything. But like I birthday that was we we were we had been dating for like a month and I felt very

I have a question, you know, I was just like like when do you exactly? I mean how long like let's say you start dating somebody and then their birthday is like kind of soon and you're in that period where like, I'm not gonna like get you a gift, but do I have to? It's weird. For me, I'm such a gift giver. Same. Love giving gifts.

That Nick's birthday, as we all know, is like a month after mine. And I did get him like a watch, that citizens watch that you always wear. And I think I got you something else. And then you like moved into the house and I got you like housewarming gifts, like. Yeah, no, it's before we had the love language conversation. Yes, of course. Yes, of course.

And then being not on my radar, I was just like, no, we're just still new. We're still working towards gifts. Or a card. Yeah. Or something more than like, listen, happy birthday. Happy birthday, bud. Like, you made it. Good job, champ. Did we do anything? No, I was in Savannah. Yeah, she wasn't even with me. But you didn't like no flowers? I was going to say. There are ways. I texted you with a little confetti.

I'm pretty sure I got sent so many flowers from just like friends, family members. And I remember I was like posting him on my Instagram story and he was like, wow, you really got a lot of flowers this year. Like, yeah, none from you. Where's yours? Well, we have a wild episode today. I hope you all enjoyed the Going Deeper episode that we dropped yesterday with Miranda Hope, Miranda Hope McHorder.

I'm not sure what she's going by these days, but it is a fantastic episode. The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives season two is officially out on Hulu. I imagine some of you have already watched all 10 episodes. I'm sure most of you are easing into this season. I wouldn't. I would binge. I imagine next week we'll, we're not gonna get too much into it today.

We'll start breaking it down next week, but we do have Demi and her husband Brett on this episode to talk about this season and the drama that is beginning to unfold. Trigger warning, in this episode, Demi talks about some serious allegations about things that allegedly happened in Vanderpump Villa. We asked Miranda about it. This is all kind of happening in real time.

We have Michaela and Jesse on next Tuesday. We also have Macy and Leila on next Thursday. For reality recap, we asked those women about it as well. So this is all kind of happening in real time. But we just wanted to give you a heads up about the potential sensitive nature of the conversation with Demi. Maybe controversial, maybe not.

But Warner Brothers Discovery announced that Max will now become HBO Max this summer. Do I have to get another app? No. Because I have HBO Max this summer. Do I have to get another app? No. Because I have HBO Max on my Apple TV that I sometimes forget is no longer works and they're like, sorry. And I'm like, oh, and then I'm like, oh wait, wrong app.

Do you have to go back to that one? Wait, that's such a good point. That's my question. Yeah, that I don't know. Cause remember they also- They created a whole new app when they changed the name. They did. But remember it was HBO, HBO Max, and HBO Go.

HBO Go. HBO Go. HBO and HBO Go at the same time. And it was like, what's the fucking difference? HBO was if you like had a cable for HBO and then HBO Go is if you were getting it straight from. I thought it was the other way around. Girl.

I'm remembering this from when I was in high school. You needed a subscription for something or a cable. I remember my mom had HBO, so I would use the regular HBO because it was through DirecTV. But now, they're also, here's my biggest beef with David Zaslov right now, sir,

cracking down on password sharing on HBO. That's the CEO of Warner Brothers? Yes, it is, sir. She said first and last. I think they all are doing that. Most people aren't on a first and last name basis with the... With Mr. David Zaslov. I think they're all doing that. Most people are on a first and last name basis with the. With Mr. David Zaslov. I think they're all doing that though, like Netflix did that.

Netflix has been doing it, but the amount of mouths that my mother's HBO password feeds, it's truly devastating what's happening. What if you have multiple TVs. In different locations. In different locations. Well, I think the thing is. But you are the owner of said locations and TVs.

Well, it's tied to your account, so I think you should be fine because you have to continuously approve. Every time I watch something on Netflix, I have to text my mom and make sure she's awake and she's also on East Coast time to make sure that she can approve me logging into her Netflix that I'm traveling. If you can provide healthcare for up to 26, 28, I feel like you should be allowed to share passwords with your children. Exactly, they are. for health care for 20, like up to like 26, 28. Like I feel like you should be allowed to share passwords

with your children. Exactly. Wherever they are. Well, that's how I feel about a phone plan. Like I'm never gonna leave my mom's phone plan. Louie will be on her phone plan. That's a little weird. That's a little weird.

I have the same way. Why? I agree. What do you mean why? In this economy. In this economy. Why is that weird? Why would I do a new phone plan?

Like when your daddy got married, you didn't like get a family plan with your hubs? No, he's on his family plan. I also feel like for adults or mature people, not that HBO Max is a person, but it's certainly a mature thing. HBO has been around for a while. I think artists who change their names,

they all kinda seem problematic. One of them which is under trial right now, Diddy. Love, he changed his name. You love Diddy? No, he changed his name from Diddy to Love. Let me clarify that. If you are not Prince, rest in peace, don't do it. No, there's people that do it too.

Kesha changed it as well. Like it works. Where did Kesha? She took out the dollar sign. Oh, but she stole Kesha. But she changed it, intentionally though, legally changed it. Yeah, Puff still cash it. But she changed it, like intentionally though, like legally changed it. Yeah, Puff Daddy, P Diddy, Diddy, love. Yeah, see, you know.

And none of them are gonna save you from these accusations, boo. It's giving insecure, it's giving you're hiding something. This trial is going on right now, and it is the saddest thing that Cassie is like seven months pregnant, sitting on this stand,

having to like relive all of the shit that she went through. For the people who don't know Cassie is Titi's ex. Cassie is like seven months pregnant, sitting on this stand, having to like relive all of the shit that she went through. For the people who don't know Cassie is Diddy's ex. Cassie Ventura, yeah. Yeah, she's Diddy's ex-girlfriend. She is kind of what like, I think started this. I mean, that video of him like dragging her through the hotel lobby or whatever came out.

And she's a big part of this trial. And she's like seven months pregnant, she's very far along and she's having to take the stand and endure all of this and it's... And like some of the stuff that she shared was just like shit that people should never have to experience. Like literally my heart is broken for her

having to share this on the stand right now and all this stuff started when she was 22. Where it's just like, just trying to make your boyfriend happy and like have a successful career and the stuff you subjected her to is just absolutely traumatizing. And the way that the defense is like, no, this is, this was all her idea. She wanted all this, she asked for all this. It's like you are so delusional.

Or like trying to like manipulate the idea that this is too consensual. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, well, why was he getting to sit off to the side and she was being tortured? Why? It's it's a really, it's a really crazy. We'll have to get Emily Baker on to come break down. Also, I think Elizabeth Wagner is there on site covering covering the case. We'll have to bring her back. Yeah. They said the lines to get into the trial is like around like the corner.

Like people are there. thing in the morning. I wonder if she's able to get in being a CNN correspondent maybe. I think so. Or maybe all the press doesn't get to go in. Have to fight for it? Or like you have to get there like probably first. Cause once you get wristbands or something.

And like I've never. I've also never sat in. I want to so badly, but I don't want to do jury duty. So make it make sense. You've never done jury duty. I've gotten out of it the last few times. Don't come for me. Trials are fun.

Not when you have to be there. Yeah, not if you're not in your role. My trials are really fun when I'm at home, in the backyard, I'm watching it on crime network TV, on my phone, with my diet coke. Yeah. How do you guys feel about Cannes changing the address code to no nudity, no trains?

Con. Con. Con. It's French. I thought you were talking about like a can of Coke. Yeah. Con. Be bougie.

Or is it can? No, it's con. I've only heard people call it cans, but... It might be can. Potato, potato. I don't know. I'm not from any of this. Anyways, that bougie film festival that takes place in France every year,

they have changed their dress code to no nudity and no trains, and trains are the long things that go on dresses. I'm for it, honestly. You have a lot of opinion on trains? No, I just like, it clearly became a thing where it started being a distraction on the red carpets and then it'd be created drama,

and then it'd be, drama and then it'd be, it allowed people who have a propensity to make things about them in their own kind of narcissism and opportunity to be more about them. And you know. I just think it's funny that like a French film festival has strong opinions on nudity. I'm like, let the people do it.

That is kind of crazy. We're in Europe. Like in France? Y'all have nude beaches. has strong opinions on nudity. I'm like, let the people do it. That is kinda crazy. We're in Europe. Like in France? Y'all have nude beaches. The amount of times I've been to restaurants and I'm just like eating next to a giant boob. Also, not for nothing, this is the festival that like, blues the warmest color. Like some of the horniest movies you've ever seen in your life have gotten lauded and praised,

but then all of a sudden if it's on the carpet, they're like, no. Like I do understand maybe the trains of just like, we don't have enough time to like fluff out your train every time you move on the carpet. Like that, okay, I can make some sense for. But like the nipples, it's like why? It's art. This is a film festival.

Literally. This is like a high art film festival and you, nipples are too much. If I can't wear my nipples to the red carpet. You can't show me nipples on the TV screen exactly Which like would deconstruct the entire festival Bianca oh But that wasn't that can't that's why I thought about to ya. Oh They just don't want I don't want him to show up with her so they're just like hey

They don't want him to show up with her, so they're just like, hey, no nudity. Maybe this will keep him away if we say, you will not be allowed in the building. I don't think that's why they're making that decision though. I think it's because Sierra and I were talking about this. No, I was just joking. But no, but the security guard that went viral last year for pushing big guests across the red carpet.

Yeah. And she was strong-garming them. Oh, I didn't see this. And the guests were like, hello? I'm trying to just stand here for a second. It was like a European actress. They were all trying to have their moment. She had a giant long train that had Jesus the Savior

on the back of it and she was trying to fluff it out. It was multiple ones, but that was the big one. But like step and repeat kind of thing going up a couple stairs. So this one female security guard was like strong arming pushing her and she's like, don't touch me, like screaming. Like it was like a fight on the red carpet. It was like, please give me a second, like one sec.

Let me just get the photo. And it was like, not even like, they didn't stutter. Like they would take a step and she would like be in the way. She would be like right there pushing them along. But at the same time it's, it's, it's a timed ceremony. There's no movies starting. But the red carpet is the reason you have publicity. So I'm like, why are you now censoring the red carpet

when they're the ones posting the photos promoting your event? Well, it's also like, I think the Halle Berry stuff is interesting because she's a co-chair of the festival this year, and she had to last minute change her dress. So it's like, if this dress code is going to happen, like let them know before all of these designers,

it seems to be as of this article that it was a last minute thing that she fully had a dress to wear and then couldn't wear it because the train was too big. So I don't, unless it's some scheduling issue. Can they get your grandfather in? Like phone pants? I will say the article that I read this on,

it was like Bella Hadid's in trouble no more like, why are you coming after my girl Belle? She didn't do nothing wrong. And then it was like, swiping through all the photos on the red carpet, and it was all Bella Hadid. I'm like, she has a great knit. Like, why are we hiding that? This industry loves to punish beautiful, talented women. That's why.

Also, for the record, it's Cannes Festival. Cannes? I just looked it up, Cannes. Nick was right? No, us, Cannes. I was more right than, for the record, it's Cannes Festival. Cannes? I just looked it up, Cannes. Fuck, fuck. Nick was right. No us, Cannes. I was more right than you guys. Yeah, it kinda was.

I don't know. I'm pretty sure. I took Spanish. Different language. Yeah. Did y'all see Mauricio is out there with maybe same blonde, maybe new blonde, maybe PK's blonde, but he's definitely getting handsy with blonde.

This has gotta be staged. That's what it is. Yeah. Back to back, are you going to the same restaurant? What is happening? If I bleach my hair? Who gets photographed making out with people constantly? He's grabbing her ass.

It was like a... Lifting her by the ass. Literally. She's little. Kyle, you have 48 hours to respond. A dream of mine. And there's something, like listen, if you are a public figure and you're not going out of your way to like avoid photos like this,

then even if you're not calling the paparazzi or staging them, you're still doing it on purpose. Yeah. Yeah. You could make out inside. He like, he like, he walked, he drove to Craig's, got out of the Craig's car, saw the 50 paparazzi who stand outside of Craig's, and then like kissed her and then went inside, like had that moment

in front of all the paparazzi. Is he, I didn't, he didn't strike me as an incredibly insecure man, but this is giving incredibly insecure man. He's 54. Do you think he's doing this to like spike Kyle or to get press for himself? Like press for what?

Exactly. That's the confusing part too because literally a couple of days ago it was the Love Island cast with the Umanskys and Kyle Richards. Exactly. So I'm like, so we're partying together at clubs, but also like, so we're not together. Oh my God.

Kyle looks uncomfortable. All he has to do is go shopping with any woman and that would get press. He doesn't have to make out. No. He doesn't have to do that. Yeah, he doesn't have to do that. Yeah. That's crazy.

That's crazy behavior. Well, if like Kyle doesn't care, maybe. Like that's the vibe I'm getting at this point. We care. No, if your wife who is still legally your wife doesn't care about this. Yeah. Or your daughters, your adult daughters.

That's a crazy thing to just do in public. Like if Nick even ever tried to lift me in public, absolutely not. Like the only time you're gonna attempt to lift me up is in the privacy of our own home. Not standing by the valet stand with paparazzi. It doesn't say, oh wait, oh my God, that place on the corner of Melrose and Highland,

Maza, that place we went to with Italian restaurant. It's on the corner of that Italian restaurant. We went there with, I think, Tyler, Cameron, and his agent after an event one night, and sat in that back. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was a nice place. That's where they're making out. That luxurious place on the corner of very busy street.

Also dark lit on the inside, and very much could have had privacy on the inside. You knowows and Island. Also dark lit on the inside and very much could have had privacy on the inside. You know when I'm suffering in traffic, how come I never get to look to my right and see Mauricio driving someone's ass? Cause you weren't called paparazzi. The only two people on the internet doing this are PK.

Literally. So true. That's the only people doing this on the internet. And they're like bros. They're doing podcasts together. They're in this lot air together. And he's looking directly at this paparazzi in this photo. He saw that paparazzi.

Yeah, it's so- He looked at, that's a look of like, did you get that? I picked her up, did you get that? I hope I don't turn into that person. Honey, I would never let you, ever. You don't wanna pick her up by your ass. He's not allowed He's not allowed to a trick because imagine trickers imagine if there's like one little bit of hesitation I'm huge. You know saying like I don't need that my head, you know, just like one strain

You see a vein coming out of my you know? I don't need that in my head. My memory bank. Do you think Mauricio's meal was comped at the restaurant? Oh my gosh. For the free press outside? Like Sonia Morgan. This is a fascinating story. Break it down, Justin.

So the headline is, hysterical Sonia Morgan blacklisted from New York City Italian hotspot after refusing to pay a thousand dollar bill she thought was conned. Two sides to every story. There is. True. So the first side of the story is that bystanders were at this restaurant when Sonia made a reservation for three people but showed up with five people

during like the busiest time of the day. She just got mad when they were like, are you paying for the bill? And she's like, no, this is free. No, they put the bill down. They put the bill down. I do have to say, like, making a reservation for three and then showing up with four, totally fine, right?

Cause they're probably gonna put you at a four top anyways. Showing up with five, that's a whole new table. That's a completely different area of it. It's a different server. It's round table. Yeah, well, so the source claimed that she was absolutely hysterical and refused to pay.

It was like she was filming a housewives episode shouting, I'm a celebrity. That's real. I need someone who's in this restaurant. This bill. Isn't her side of the story that this restaurant reached out to her and was like, you should come in and that she has been comped before. Yeah. So then she came out, Sarah, you know more about this part.

She posted like to her story is the receipt of them DMing her saying, Hey, like make sure to swing by tonight to grab dinner or whatever before they were going to boom boom or something to celebrate someone's birthday. Anyways, long story short, she showed up thinking that because they sent the DM that her meal was comped, but also as Justin said, she showed up with two extra people. So I'm assuming that they were like, oh. But were they also just like, hey, stop by

before you go to this place for dinner. It wasn't like, we would love to treat you and all of your friends to a free dinner. Anything's on us. Please, we would love to just have you here. You post three stories. She claims that she's a regular at this restaurant. And that she always gets comped.

So this is the first time where she was not and she was like, what the hell is happening here? So I will give her the pass on miscommunication and that I don't think she's delusional or entitled for thinking that she would get comped, especially if she's been comped before. And while I agree with Natalie that like, usually if they're not saying you're gonna comp,

you shouldn't assume, because we all know what happens when you assume. Where she went way wrong is that once she got presented with the bill, kind of be frustrated, but just pay the fucking bill. And don't make a scene, don't act like you can't afford it. I would put my card down and just be like, okay. And then never go back, and then never go back.

Even if I'm one of her friends, I'm like, bitch, sit down. It's fine. When she made the statement, I if I'm one of her friends, I'm like, bitch, sit down. Like, it's fine. Well, when she made the statement, I believe I was dining in exchange for a promotional post, I made that known to the staff. Did she ever post for this restaurant? Not when she found out she wasn't constable. Right, so not this round.

But I guess, so that's when like, the owner of the restaurant came out and was like, he said the cost of everything is so expensive right now for restaurants and she was just taking advantage. So I think it was like, in defense of, he said the cost of everything is so expensive right now for restaurants and she was just taking advantage. So I think it was like in defense of the staff and like the situation, that's what they said. Yeah, she should have just. It is though bizarre how these women,

I mean, we had it with the Jersey Mikes, you know? It's like, you at some point just have to like drop your ego and be a human being and be like, oh, I'll pay for the $6 sandwich. Yeah. If you have to say, do you know who I am? They don't. Yeah, of course they don't.

Cause if they did, they would have offered it to you for free. Or they don't care. Or they don't care. Or they know who you are and deliberately want you to know that they don't give a fuck. Do you guys dare me to go into a restaurant and be like, do you know who I am?

Sometimes I'm on the couch on the vile files. Please don't. Please don't. Please don't. Please don't. into a restaurant and be like, do you know who I am? Sometimes I'm on the couch on the vile files. Please don't. Please don't. Please don't. Please don't. You know what I did see, Natalie, you were a waitress once, right?

So you'd probably know this, that apparently in some states that if you don't get tipped, the percentage or whatever comes out of the pay of the waitress or the waiter. That's criminal. Right? Insane. I was watching a video of a waitress explaining this. I don't think that's legal.

There's a certain amount of money that goes to the staff per order or whatever. And if you don't get a tip, that percentage is coming out of whatever the waitress would get for the pay. So how it worked for me down in the low country was I made $2.15 an hour and tips. So if you did not leave me a tip, I did not make any money on your table besides my $2.15 that hour. Okay, so you had hourly. I had to crave hourly.

But I mean, a lot of restaurant tours, restaurant owners. Restaurant tours, yeah. Are criminals. Oh, for sure. Yeah, it's a shady business. Some wonderful people, a lot of shady characters who like, yeah, like have all these different ways of like ripping off

their staff or whatever, ripping off their customers. One of my favorite restaurants does it all the time where they add a service charge to every bill and then like guilt you into like also tipping and they try to convince you that no, this isn't a tip. This isn't a tip. This is something we, it's not a tip, but it's something we do for our employees

so that we can give them more money. But you should tip them more because they were helping you tonight so you should give them, it's a complete opposite of. So it's not a tip, you're just charging us so that you can pay them less. So you pay them- Less. So you pay them more.

Yeah, literally. Yeah, literally. Yeah, it's a complete opposite of Croft Alley, how you go and order and the guy, he's always working the cash register thing. He's a lovely man, very sweet. He's always working at the cash register, every time we're there.

And he says, just to let you know, there is an 18% tip already included, so you do not have to tip anymore. Just wanted to let you know, there is an 18% tip already included, so you do not have to tip anymore. Just wanted to let you know that there is an 18% tip already included. See, that makes me wanna go, can I tip more? Literally, I want to, yeah, I wanna give you more because you're being so like, hey, hey, hey,

please wait before you click anything. I need to let you know. Yeah, when I was a waiter too, Justin, in case you didn't know, and you don't wanna give me credit for it, and I worked at the Olive Garden, like I think it was, if there was a party of more eight or more, we had the option to include it,

like as an automatic, and I think it was written on their seats, and I would say, listen, just a heads up there, do not over-tip, but if you feel so generous. If you feel so inclined. If you like my face or my service, one of the two. We didn't get that burger joint I was working at. Please feel free to leave more.

And that would usually work, yeah. Yeah, they do that at hotel room service a lot too, where it's like the tips already included, but they leave the gratuity line just like, and you're just like, okay, and then you look back at your receipt and you're like, fuck. Have we all gotten past the guilty conscience

of being at a coffee shop or anywhere where they turn that thing around and it's the tip screen and we press no tip? Have we gotten past that as a society? Because I used to, I was like, I would stare people dead in the eye. And I was like, I want to watch you after you just yelled at me. Because most people were mean. I would get when Starbucks, so Starbucks never had POS tips, it was always only cash tips, and then halfway through

when I was working there, they started, they put it on like our POS, and literally the disdain people would look at me with, when I didn't even have control over it, I wasn't even turning anything around, it was just there, and they would literally look, they would be like, are you fucking kidding me? And I would be like, look at me and hit no tip then. If you're gonna be so mad about this, you can hit no tip.

I don't give a shit. I would make the biostat contact of my life in that moment. I'd be like. Yeah, and then exactly, if they did that, I was like, period, say it with your chest. But I was like, you're gonna have to look at me. And the thing was like, if I was just getting someone a black coffee,

I would be like, don't fucking tip me. But that's also like, you do work at Starbucks. You have to press 900 drinks with 47 ingredients Yeah but then if yeah and then if somebody is like asking for the most Complicated ass drink in the world and then they like get mad when they have to leave a tip I'm like girl. Do you think I'm getting paid enough to deal with this for you? I'm being so kind, I'm offering, I'm like literally, I used to offer shit to people

to make their drink cheaper and then they wouldn't hit me. Now I will say that I do think for the service industry, there is a bit of a problem we need to fix because like we are a cashless society at this point. So when it comes to like bellhops at hotels, valet drivers and things like that, like there's a lot of times like I wanna tip them

and I feel like I should, but like I don't carry cash around. And it's just like- And then it's like, you can Venmo. And it's like, I gotta get home. Like can you just add it on my card? Yeah. There are moments where I feel like we need to solve that.

Get your nails done. We need to solve that problem. We need to take it out of the like fast food restaurants or like some of the coffee shops and give it to the valet drivers in the bellhops to just flip that screen around and give us the option because like. I will say I'm at this stage of my life

where I am looking for opportunities to tip people. Our Uber driver, we were flying back to LA and traffic got a little heavy. And we were, it was getting a little tight. We were checking bags. And I was like, oh my God, I think, Oh my God, I mean, it might be late. And I, I, you know, when you have your Uber driver, it's like, it's a fine line between like step on it versus like encouraging them to break traffic laws, you know, fine line. But I, I, I was like, Oh man. And I, I gave some voice of concern without trying to guilt him into doing anything.

This motherfucker got us there, you know what I'm saying? That's such a nice feeling. When they care. Yeah. And I tipped him 50 bucks on a $70 Uber ride. Some of them will be like, I can't get into the HOV lane until, and it'll be like, no, we'll be in standstill traffic

and the HOV lane will be nothing. There's not one car there and we have a car full of people. And I'm like, could you just get over? We'll be there, gotta wait till the- The double line breaks. The double line break. Are you serious? Are you serious?

I respect it though, but same. That's an insane thing. You would rather sit in this standstill traffic than like hop on over those two little lines? Really? Depends on what city, if you're, then like hop on over those two little lines. Really? Depends on what city, if you're in LA, hop on over, because cops are too busy to pull people over. Yeah, there is a, I do feel like to get pulled over

for like speeding or doing dumb shit in LA, you really gotta be doing something. I did get pulled over once for being in the HOV lane when it was just me, and I did have to tell them that I was in fact pregnant when I was not. And it very much was like, are you saying that we are not two people?

Natalie, I also got pulled over once in LA and I won the case. Per. So the people versus Justin Phillips did a good first. Natalie, did you get away with that? Yeah, he was like, well, all right, ma'am. He was like, I don't really have an argument for it. He was like, I guess technically it would be like seats taken in the car.

But you know that I'll let you have it. It was and I was very polite. I was very and my sister taught me who was dating a cop once that when you get pulled over to put all four of your windows down and that makes them feel a little bit more at ease. So they're nicer to you. And then you ask them, what's your badge number? And then they're like, oh. And then you put on your phone and you start recording them. And then you start crying immediately.

No, the crying would never work. She was like, don't ever fucking cry when you get pulled over, they hate it. And it makes them want to give you a ticket more. That's like flipping the screen. I've heard this day. Literally. Yeah.

I can't help it. The second I'm pulled over, I'm just in, I'm falling. As am I, I'm a very emotional person. And I'm always. That's childish. Because I'm scared and I don't know what to do. And I just pulled over. I'm just in, I'm falling. As am I. I'm a very emotional person. Why? That's child's trouble. Because I'm scared and I don't know what to do and I just get overwhelmed. Yeah. The one time I've been pulled over, I did start crying, but it was because I got pulled over like passing someone next to my high school at home and then I was like, the cop like turned his lights on as I was going through an intersection and I was like,

well, I'm not, I had never been pulled over before. And I was like, well, I'm not, I had never been pulled over before. And I was like, well, I'm not going to stop in the middle of this intersection. So I waited until I got across the street and then I pulled over. And then he was like, this cop was like called for backup because he said I was fleeing the scene because when he saw my license, my house was down the street. And I was like, what the fuck? And then I started crying and because um, cause I was furious. And he literally called for backup and was like, gave me a ticket, not for

speeding, um, but for failing to pull over for an emergency vehicle. And he was like, if I was a state trooper, I would have flipped your car. And I was like, girl, what the fuck you and my dad, like knew the cop too. And he was like, that guy's a loser. He literally like hangs out by the high school cause I don't want him to do cop too. And he was like, that guy's a loser. He literally like hangs out by the high school because they don't want him to do anything else. And I was like, period. My daughter pays $75.

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Yeah. I mean, where? The better half. Where do you see him? Two out of three of their new cast has essentially been fired. Yeah. Well, I mean, Bailey, she, it looked like Bailey was like paused during filming.

So she like no longer existed in episodes, but Emeril is interesting because basically we know that they filmed the reunion this past couple of weeks. Andy went out to dinner after with like the guys of Summerhouse, but Emeril wasn't there. Someone DMed him being like, hey, like why weren't you there? He responded, I left early a few hours before they wrapped, so that's part of it. The person responded saying part of it, dot dot dot, so not all of it, dot dot dot, or question mark. Then he responded, I actually should though.

And then he goes, I mean, I don't know. I'm gonna chalk it up to that and move on. It's all good. I'm so glad I did it and got some publicity and a platform for my English school. That was always my big goal in all of this. But then basically people notice in this last recent episode that he's in group pictures

with them and like in the BTS shots of like scenes, but in the actual scenes of the episodes, he's completely removed. So like in the dinner scene when Sierra scenes, but in the actual scenes of the episodes, he's completely removed. So like in the dinner scene when Sierra gets up and West is talking about his friend, Emeril is sitting next to Carl, but he's not seen in any of the shots. So he's being removed.

Well, so we were talking about it and people are teasing right now that something happens at the summer house reunion. Something big happens and it's like, is it Emeril, he does something, so now he's cut out. No, no, no, I'm getting annoyed with this because they keep like, they hinted at this before the season started, right? Everyone was doing their little press tours

of like, there's something crazy happens, like a threesome happens on our show, like OMG. And it was giving very much like, who the fuck is like Paige and Craig? No, who's, Sierra, no, who is it? Yeah, you're like, oh my God, who is it? Jesse West, Jesse West. Yeah, you're like, oh my God, who could it be? Who could it be?

Turns out, it's this new fucking guy, Emeril, and two strangers who will never see the light of day. Like, that's all it was. And now, we have this- We don't even know if it was a threesome. Literally, we just have Emeril being like, yeah, I'd like to fuck. Then, we have them being like,

oh, something big happens at the reunion, what could it be? It's gonna be fucking Emeril like walking fuck, then we have them being like, oh, something big happens at the reunion. What could it be? It's gonna be fucking Emeril like walking out or it's just, like, I don't care what he has to do with this show. He has not given me anything for this show. I'm sure he is a very sweet man and he has got great intentions, but like he is not for reality TV.

Well, that's where I'm like, did they edit him out because he was just boring sitting there at every scene or was it like he did something at reunion that now they're like, oh, we can't? I stand on business that Kyle owed him a favor and he got him on the show. And this is based on? And this is based on him giving us nothing

and only having sex with women on the show. That has been his only storyline. That is all he has done. And I think it was like a favor for Kyle. Interesting, yeah. Interesting, yeah. Because, yeah. I don't know, Justice for Emeril. Why?

I just like it, I don't know. He has sexualized a little bit. I think, yeah, I think he's gotten overly sexualized on the show. Like on Watch What Happens Live, I think. He kinda did that to himself. He didn't get overly sexualized. Well, I think it is edit.

I'm sure there's other things that he also did that would have maybe rounded him out as a person that's not just fucking. I don't know, it wasn't on the show. He brought a girl in every single night. And hid. I know. And hid her, and then he was hiding the camera

and he's like, all right, sneak out, find your shoes, hurry, get out. I'm sure if he inserted himself in the drama and gave hot takes, he would be on the show, but if he's just gonna be the quiet boy in the drama and gave hot takes, he would be on the show. But if he's just gonna be the quiet boy in the corner who only comes out after he's had sex with people behind closed doors and doesn't really offer anything, and then when they try to get to know Emeril,

he's like, yeah, I fuck because I wasn't born here. It's interesting because he brought awareness to immigration, but then at the same time, he's on Watch What Happens Live, and they put him in vibrating panties. So it's almost a storyline also being projected on him, which I see that as well. Well, he can always say no.

No, true. I was gonna say it, but also I do wonder if this is a fan speculation too, just because I'm like Tom was here and he said that Emeril wasn't there during last weekend and that he stayed in his room. So I'm like, I guess we'll see on Wednesday, tonight's episode, if he's in it,

or if this is just something where it's like, oh, we're noticing that he's not really around. And also, he doesn't really spend a lot of time with the guys. When they go out to parties and stuff, he's talking to other people and they stay in their group. That's true. I mean, when I say justice for Emeril, I don't mean I think he should come back for another season

or he's like a good... Not that much justice. No, or like a good person to be on Summer House necessarily. I just think that he's been like, I think the way that the conversation is around him is so overly sexualized because of the edit he's gotten in because he didn't necessarily perform well on the show that I'm like, I think that people have a perspective on him that's maybe not the whole truth.

He performed. It's what I feel like. He performed. He was really on TV, but like, again, he did it multiple, not really, but like, I kinda, you know. Like, I felt like I had over-sexualized on The Bachelor because like, a couple things happened, and then I just couldn't live it down because like, it's Bachelor ABC,

and they're finally talking about sex, and sex isn't really part of the show, and then it was part of the show and then it was just like, he's doing it every week. It's his, he chooses to do this, like, you know. But I just mean there's, like, that is true. And he chooses to like bring these women home, have them like either wait outside

or whatever they have to do for him to like get into his room and cover that camera because they're never walking in there together. There's never a blurred face. It's always- Yeah, there's no way they would let them in the house without some sort of signed release. So he's clearly bringing them in very after hours

where they only use the set up cameras, and he hides her to where he can get in there and cover all the cameras. And that's honestly probably why he maybe got let there and cover all the cameras. It's just. And that's honestly probably why he maybe got let go, because it would make a lot of sense. I'm sure there's gotta be some kind of rules in the house where if you go out and you bring people in,

they must be signing the release, and they're subject to being on camera. So either he wasn't getting it signed, or B, was getting it signed, and then going about it in a way that was like being covert, hiding, you know, making sure they weren't seen. They're probably like, dude, you can't do that.

You can't do that. If you want to be a part of the show, you have to be part of the show, you know? We also don't know if he's let go or not. He's just being cut out of scenes. Yeah. So I guess we'll see for- For them to go out of their way to cut him out,

if that's what's happening is- Interesting. Another person, people who I don't think are cut out for reality TV are Nia and Danny from the Valley. Listen, I think they're great people. I just don't, and I respect what she's trying to do. I respect her for like wanting to protect her husband, the father of her children.

She knows his flaws and she's like, you know what? Let's just keep these in the privacy of our own home. We don't need to put them on national television. And so she's like not airing out their dirty laundry. I respect it 100%, not built for reality TV. Oh my God, that phone call in the corner of the- That was a bit scary. I was like, I need to know what he said on the phone.

What did he say to her? Which he said, you do not say that to me. You listen to your wife, you go home. And I was like, I'm writing it down. Like, all right, good to know, this is the tone. I said, you know she's scary because it's like, when you go high, it's because you just wanna be heard. When you go low, shit's about to be said behind closed doors.

But you know what was like a little eerie was like the way that she turned that on for that phone call. Again, I have no idea what he said on the other end of that phone call that like provoked that. But hearing her go and wake him up in that bedroom. My love, good morning my love, do you wanna get up my angel? Here baby, here baby, I'll cover you up my sweet angel.

It's like the cameras are following her and she is so turned on to that like Miss USA, perfect couple, very, and then when it's like, she doesn't, she kind of forgets about the mic pack on her back and like the camera is up in the corner of the bus, maybe she doesn't see it, she thinks she's being quiet in the corner, it's like scary. You think so?

It's kind of giving, I can't keep up with my wife's expectations and so I'm going in the back corner and doing polls of tequila. Nuts. Which is crazy, if that's true. There's another side of it though. I mean, they caught him. Remember, he walked in with Jasmine.

I mean, there's no video evidence. But like, Jasmine said like they just walked in. When Janet was walking out, you see him kind of like crouching in the background of the pantry. And like closing the pantry door behind him. I'm assuming it's true, but like, you know, people have lied before in that show. Yeah. But if it is true, that's wild behavior. I don't think it's just Nia though, because even Dani was like, when she was waking him up,

and maybe I fell for the trick, I don't know. Dani was like, why didn't you wake me up? Like, what? Like, kind of mad at her. But I'm like, you were passed out. Like, if I was Nia, I'd let you sleep too. But also the way, we talked about this last episode, but it's like the way that they're using her as a huge, like, personification of a golden retriever emotional dog.

Like, she literally just shows up in the middle of like anybody's fight, and it's just like, hold my hand. Yeah. It's like, Okay. Calm me down. You look beautiful. I would take pictures of you. I'm like, girl, she just threw a glass of tequila in this man's face. That was crazy. Michelle, you look really pretty right now. Do you want me to take a photo of you? The way that I would be like, are you fucking kidding? No. My anger makes me radiate. And then could you imagine if Michelle was like, you know what? Sure. That would be crazy. That would be psycho. That would be crazy. For the record, I think they're both a little crazy.

Sure. After this episode. I also thought it was crazy. Like I loved the way Michelle stood up for herself with Jesse starting with at the wine retreat where he's like, yeah, well, you know, you are a hooker. She's like, I will not fucking do this. Like I am the mother of your child. And then you have like everyone sitting at the table being like, Michelle. She's like, I will not fucking do this. Like I am the mother of your child. And then you have like everyone sitting at the table being like, Michelle, Brittany's

like, Michelle, come back. Michelle, someone get up. Like go console her. They're all just like, come on back. Well, from Brittany's perspective, she's like, I like been there. Come on back. You know what I mean? Like, she like no stop. No stop like we all we all deal with this Yeah, I mean Tom was like trying to convince us that somehow we're gonna change our opinion about Jesse And there's a lot of episodes left and I guess a lot can change but I'm just not gonna forget this behavior, right? You know Call her a hooker called her a whore cheater and a liar and he's in he And he's called her a hooker, called her a whore. Cheater and a liar. And he's clearly antagonizing her. He's an emotional terrorist.

Well, that's why I said I- He's giving emotionally abusive. 100%, because that's where I'm like, even, and I understand it's a reality TV show, but I'm just like, even then, if you wanted to have like an amicable weekend, make a phone call, send a text, but instead you drink two bottles of Prosecco

and greeted everybody at the door with white flags saying, Michelle, you need this the most. Where did you think this was gonna take off from? Where I'm like, if you could have been, hey, I know that some shit went down, I said some things that were fucked up, but I would like to try to have a nice weekend, this weekend, but no.

I thought it was fascinating when she finally was like, you know what, you know what, I'm gonna go for it. He spends all our money. What were the other things that she said? You've never hugged me or said you loved me. Or that I called you pretty. And, he spends all our money. What were the other things that she said? You've never hugged me or said you love me. Or that I called you pretty. And you spend all of our money. You have a gay guy sending you money

and you're the escort. That was her just being petty, I think. Yeah. I think that might be true. But she doubled down on him spending all of the money. Have we seen the way that this man, I 100% believe that. The way that Luke and Kristen came over

in one of the earlier episodes to just chat and he has this whole tea China set out, it's like no, this man is spending money that he does not need to be spending on shit. The one of the most obnoxious things I find about humans, like when Jesse talks about being cultured, if you have to attempt to be cultured, you know what I'm saying?

If it's not how you were raised, which just kinda comes organically. And I don't mean having manners and being a polite person. I mean how you're supposed to drink your wine in wine country, bullshit like that. Where it's just like, oh fuck yourself. You know? And it's such a sign of your inadequacies and your insecurity.

And it's definitely a sign that you blow money on things you do not need to blow money on because you think status is a currency that you desperately need. And Jesse reeks of this, you know? And so, yeah, it's so believable that he has wasted their money on things that he deems worthy because it's cultured.

Like when he was arguing with, not arguing, but like going back and forth with the best looking guy in the show. Luke. Luke. Luke. And he like said, you're so uncultured as if that was supposed to be some sort of dig. It's like, okay. Girl, you're on the valley.

I'd never been to Monet. Yeah. Also Luke's response to me, like, you're so unmanly. I was like, well, yeah, okay. Girl, you're on the valley. I'd never been to Monet. Yeah. Also, Luke's response to me, like, you're so unmanly. I was like, well, yeah, period. Yeah. The way that that bus broke down, and Luke immediately went to the hood of the truck, I was like, yes, he was.

The only one that got off the bus. Jesse was- Explaining to the driver, I was pretty impressed, because I wouldn't have known what to do. 100%. He was like, I think you can make it down the hill. I was like, all right, Kristen, get it. Tell you what not to do is hitchhike.

Drunk. You also do know that those Somalias are probably so fucking annoyed with every group of people that come because you know they're all, and we watched it with this group. They're all like, notes of cranberry and it's 10 and you gotta swirl it around.

And they're probably like, shut up. No, but- Exactly. The Somalias are probably like, okay, it's so funny, you gotta swirl it around. And they're probably like, shut up. Yeah, exactly. The Smollies are probably like, okay, it's so funny. This is my life. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I'm kinda like, they're making money off of drunk idiots. I think they want it.

Yeah. They're like, we prepared the whole day for this publicity. It's gonna be on national television. Period. We want drama. No, I just think in general, because I do think people do that every time they drink a bottle of wine, a glass of wine.

It's always like, you got to smell it and you got to stir it and look at the legs and what do you taste? Notes of citrus. Like everyone thinks that's so funny. Like let's not pretend we're not here just to get drunk. I mean, I do that sometimes when it's when I have like fully me and my friends will be drinking Trader Joe's box wine and I'm like, wait, let's do this.'s exactly and if there were a Somalia next to you who had handed you that box wine They probably would have rolled their eyes and been like oh god

But have you guys seen wine country the best movie in the world? I love wine country. They do that all the time in the movie wine country everyone I couldn't I couldn't relate to Zack Moore in this scene when he was like, I'm Catholic. I don't need the red wine Me every time someone has red wine. I'm like, give me the white, give me anything else please. He had enough of that. Drama response, no. I related to Kristin at the end of the episode, Jessie's just like, you're still yelling at no one,

and I was like, I feel that. I just want my opinion out there. I've been silent for two hours. I was like, say your shit, Kristin. I really love that Kristin had a call back to the crazy Kristin. And I forgot who she was saying it about, I was like, say your shit, Kristin. I really love that Kristin did a call back to crazy Kristin. Yeah. I forgot who she was saying it about,

but I really appreciate Kristin's self-awareness in her new stage in life. It's really appreciated. Yeah. What about Luke's hall pass being a little mermaid? I'm respected. Yeah, I understand it. Honestly, Ariel's hot,

and when she's prancing around the... Yeah. To Natalie's point, though, you're right where Nia's not meant for reality TV, because her answer was she's like, we live in the valley. We know too many famous people. I couldn't have rolled my eyes more.

It's embarrassing. You're talking to a group of reality TV stars, some of which... Famous people. Well, I guess two of them, but Kristen and Brittany being like have been on TV for so many years, like have been around probably more celebrities than you have.

Jennifer Lawrence quotes Brittany all the time. Like everyone lives in LA. Michelle Lolley had lunch, dinner, who knows what with Quentin Tarantino. Quentin Tarantino. I'm like, okay. And her being like, we don't do hall passes. We don't do hall passes.

We just see too many celebrities. We know too many celebrities. We just can't because what if we say someone that we run into and then they'll know that they're all hall passes. Doing too much. Girl, your husband was in an episode of iCarly. Wait, relax. But also, yeah, the last season, there was a whole turn on episode and your whole man

dressed as a- Outlander someone. Outlander guy. But you can't- So like, yeah, the last season, there was like a whole turn on episode and your whole man dressed as like a- Outlander or someone. Outlander guy. But like you can't- But it's kind of sad because you can only, you're right, they're not meant for this show, but I think they need the money.

You know? They did just buy a house. They did just buy like a one point, how many millions? And I have four kids and it's kind of given, which is, it's like- I love them so much too. It's both-

I like them too, but I don't. I don't like Danny. Why? I don't know. He does kind of give icky, like, ew. It's like... You're right. Like, he just turns around.

When people start drinking and turn into a different person, it just gives me an ick about them as a whole person. Like Danny kind of gives me talks too close to your face. Yeah. Listen, I have no patience for over consumers and obnoxious, strong people. And if Danny is like this person, I agree with you if he does nothing about it.

That's the thing. At this point, it's like he's been called out. If you're out there groping people, you better lock it the fuck up. Yeah. And if he really is doing poles of tequila out of the bottle, sneaking it to just get a little more drunk, so his wife, because his wife has cut him off.

Because you know that's what's going on, right? Like the only reason he's sneaking is because his wife's like, no more for you. And she's saying that obviously because she knows that Dark Danny is gonna come out. And he's in bed because she doesn't wanna have to deal with what he's gonna say or do at the table if he's that drunk.

I don't trust it. My boyfriend and I were talking about that too because it's like the way that Danny says, like that's not in my character, what he did when he was drunk and groping and whatnot. But Connor's like, that's a red flag for me just because it's like saying that that's not in my character, but you did it.

So it's like, you're still not taking like any sort of accountability for your actions. You're saying, oh, like that's Patricia. That wasn't me. And it's like, no, that's still you. So take accountability for what you did and that you have a problem when you go too far. It's in your character. Yeah. Or you just have, you're so mortified that you make drastic changes immediately. Right. You know, because it's not necessarily like a problem in the sense that you're so mortified that you make drastic changes immediately. Right. Because it's not necessarily like a problem in the sense that you're addicted to alcohol

and you need it, but when you do drink, you over-consume in an irresponsible way, so much so that it changes your behavior. Yeah. And yeah, I mean, I don't know, you're right, Mary's right, I don't know. And I do, like that- Can we, let's hit on that.

I'm just kidding. I'm gonna sign it. Yeah. And honestly, like the end of this episode with Brittany freaking the fuck out on Nia for not saying Dani is drunk was the most like- Jack's his wife. Literally.

It was too much, right? It was so much. Like for what, like- I get it. I get the intent behind it, right? I get the like frustration of here I am, my life is a fucking mess, and I can't help but air it out and have the world's opinion on it.

And here you are sitting at the table, kind of hiding these things that I just talked about. And I can see the frustration behind that, but to Kristen's point, only talk about it when Nia leaves the table is not giving, I've been on reality TV for 10 years. It's giving like maybe a little fake. And then like hiding in her room with the door shut.

Them catching the audio with Nia listening, I was like, oh. And then Janet opening the door, I was like, girl. But then Nia being like, what do you want me to say? Like, what do you want from me? And her being like, I want you to say Danny's drunk. She's like, OK, Danny's drunk. Like, this is really what you're freaking out about?

No, she was definitely giving Jax energy during that whole bit where it's just like, I give so much, I do everything. And it's like, that was so Jax, like I share every bit of my life and you guys don't do anything. And he used to have freak outs like that all the time. But also what was concerning is just not not concerning

because it's reality television and it's them, but it's just like seeing the soullessness behind their eyes because they've been drinking since the beginning of the morning that I was just like I got to give you credit because one way that I would never want to be caught on camera for the masses to see is me two sheets gone. Let me ask you this since we just unpacked Dark Danny I get what you're saying because it's like the whole like admit you're drunk you're maybe you're drunk it seems like such a nothing thing but what if Brittany the whole like admit you're drunk. You're married. It seems like such a nothing thing

But what if Brittany instead of saying admit you were drunk? What if she went like ten steps further and was like your husband's a fucking creep when he's drinking and that's a fucking problem And you need to address it like what if she just like named the thing and then you had been more satisfied Probably because it wouldn't have it wouldn't have seemed so fake because they're not mad that she's not saying, oh yeah, he had too much to drink at the wine tasting. Like yeah, if they both just would have been like, not waited until she left the table, but would have been like at the table,

like Nia, come on, we know he's not tired. Like we know he's hammered and we know what happens when he gets hammered. Like let's talk about that, let's unpack that. It was kind of giving a little bit of producers and the rest of the cast got together and said we need to poke holes in this relationship. Yeah.

So, but again, I think they're a great couple, I just don't think they're cut out. I respect Nia's intuition to want to protect her husband and the father of her children, but just not meant for reality TV. Yeah. That's okay. What if they need the money?

Should we get to Demi and Brett? I think we should. I think we should too. the money? Should we get to Demi and Brett? I think we should. I think we should too. All right, well up next, Demi and Brett talk about their time or a little bit about their time on season two of Secret Wives of Mormon Wives. And we will start unpacking the episodes starting next week. We also have Michaela and Jesse on next week

on Tuesday's reality recap. We do have a Juicy going deeper. We're not gonna say which one it is yet. And then on Thursday, Macy and Leila join us to also unpack the season. How should we break it down? Do we wanna go two episodes at a time, three episodes at a time?

How do we wanna do it? So good that I feel like it's a- There's 10 full episodes. 10 episodes, maybe we go three, three and one? Yeah. Yeah. Give the finale. Three, three and one, that's seven.

Three, three, three and one. Three, three, three and one. Yeah. Either way, we'll be talking about it in the following episodes. So lots of unpacking, we'll be fully unpacking it with you guys. So make sure you tune in.

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I got to correct you. I'm so sorry. I do. It's wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. You'm so sorry. I do. It's wrong. Err. Wrong. Wrong. You said my name wrong every time.

Demi, it's Demi? Yes. Why did anyone tell me? I haven't wanted to correct you, but like- No, that's your- you know what, honestly- That was me, that was me. This is a- my fly has been open for nine hours and now you decided to tell me. I know. We were talking about such deep things

that I was like, this isn't the place. But now that we've like talked about homes and you know, we've reestablished just like normalcy. I'm like, now I gotta tell her. Now you have a bugger in your mouth. Yeah, I have a piece of kale in your teeth. I don't have a spinach in my teeth, do I? Yes, you do.

All right, all right, all right to me. Thank you, good job, good job. It's Brett, right? No, just kidding. Yeah, it could be Matt. I did meet a Brent lately, recently. That's what he gets called everywhere we go. Well, we're excited to have you back on.

Season two of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is now out on Hulu. I'm very excited to watch it. How are you feeling about people watching it? Nervous and also just, I don't know, at peace, knowing that I handled every situation the best that I possibly could, given the circumstances and like the information that I had.

But it's always nerve wracking. You never know what's gonna be shown, how things are gonna be edited. And so it's always like, I don't know that that's something you can answer this question better than me is it something you ever get used to knowing that you just lived the three four months of filming and that everyone is about to judge you for it and it's going to be edited in maybe a non-truthful way potentially like does that ever get easier? Yeah yeah you just care less. Okay fair.

You know yeah it's it's more because you know the truth and so you're like who cares? Yeah, yeah, you just care less. Okay, fair. Yeah, it's more. Because you know the truth, and so you're like, who cares? Yeah, you kinda, it's, you start, you know, this, I'm sure people have said things like, you know what you signed up for type of thing, you know? And in some ways that's very true,

in some ways you're like, no, I didn't, you know? I have no idea that Taylor was gonna blank this or Whitney was gonna say this to me or I was gonna feel this a certain way about production. But like you also realize that, yeah, you kind of take yourself out of it, you kind of see it more big picture, because when it's happening in real time,

it's very easy to be to just know your truth and know that that doesn't lined up with how everyone else sees things. I mean, I remember like way back when my first season on The Bachelorette and I was the villain, you know, and I remember it. I found myself wanting to like every person I met on the street convince people like to like every person I met on the street convince people like no like yeah you have five minutes like you know I kind of felt like I was doing that and then you just kind of really you know you're just like you know and uh every once in a while like you'll get a comment from someone who says something like condescendingly, like, hey, you're not as bad as I thought. It's like, thanks.

You're like, gee, thanks. But you really just don't care, you know? And you just kind of realize what, not to sound cliche or corny, but you look at what you do have, you know? You look at like, and it makes your real connections in life more meaningful. Yes, yes, amen.

Because you, you know, I'm curious, and this is more of a question for you, now that you've been in this a little bit now, is that you see how this world changes people. I mean, I remember, you know, the first time I was on, you know, the best route was like, everything's a whirlwind. But when I got to Paradise,

I could clock people who were like doing scenes. Yeah. And I was like, what are you doing? Did you experience that ever where you felt like all of a sudden the cameras came on and any of the ladies were? Performing. Performing?

Yes, yes, absolutely. I don't know if you want me to call out specifics. Well, that's entirely up to you, to me. You said your name right, yo it to him. Yeah, okay, we'll go one for one. Jen. Um, yes, definitely with Jen, I feel like cameras come out and it's a performance. Which you would think that like Whitney,

right, who's pursuing acting that you would be like, oh, this is an act. Like, no. I actually think Whitney can't help you Whitney. Okay, fair. Yep. That's true.

That is true. Um, yeah, Jen, that's true. That is true. Yeah, Jen is very performative. Everything was kind of an act. It was very much the slow blinking. She had it on tap. Well, how is Jen in real life? Way more laid back and not, she's not as bold as she comes off on camera,

if that makes sense. If there's an issue, she'll be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, that was a miscommunication. She's a little bit more easygoing, but then cameras would come out and all of a sudden she's this bold gen that is willing to call anybody out and stand up to her mean husband.

And it's like, don't get too ahead of yourself. And your husband's actually a really nice guy. Yeah, and your husband's actually a really nice guy. That is where she got very performative, was with Zach. You know, it's interesting. I've seen a little bit of this season, and I think one of the bigger surprises was my, was watching Zach. And I'm curious, do you watch season one, Brett? Yes.

What was your perception of Zach's portrayal on season one? Do you feel like it was accurate and he's made changes in his life or do you feel like we just, we saw a different version of him? It's kind of a blend of the two. I wasn't there when he was down in Las Vegas. I did see some of the text messages that I wasn't there when he was down in Las Vegas. I did see some of

the text messages that he sent, which were disappointing, you know, nobody, it's, it's a tough moment for him to have to own. I think he's owned it. I also think that Jen put him in positions purposefully to make him kind of be the villain and to fit the part. And I mean, for example, the money that he was gambling with his money, not Jen's money, 100% his money. He had been supporting them. Like he flipped a couple of houses. I think he made like a half a million dollars in the year,

leading up to shooting the show. So, but then apparently she was the breadwinner. It was just a bunch of nonsense. And Zach, you know, I mean, trying to be a good husband fell on the sword oftentimes, so I don't know. I'm sure just like everybody, he wishes that he would've handled the Chip and Dale, the initial Chip and Dale situation differently.

Oh, he's very regretful about that. And I think he's grown a ton since then. He went and did some ketamine therapy. I think he's done a lot of self-reflecting and grown, so. Can we talk about ketamine therapy? Because y'all are really into that. Yeah, I love it. It kind of seems like orgasmic.

Scary. From the videos that I've seen of people doing it where they're like, oh my God, it's hitting. And it's like, oh, what is happening to you right now? What's going on? I was gonna say, are you mixing it up with the breath work class that we did? Because I was like, that one,

yeah, the way that it was edited looked like a full orgy, but no ketamine. Yeah. It's, it's incredible. It literally saved my life. I get like emotional talking about it because it was like the form of therapy that, you know, happened to come into my life at the time where I was struggling, you know, battling a lot of demons and, um, feeling a lot of guilt and remorse around choosing to end my previous relationship. And I felt like I broke up my family and I was dealing with a lot. And it's too bad that it kind of got twisted in the way that it did as like this negative thing with me and Whitney.

And then I don't know how it's portrayed on season two, but I'm like, Jen, this isn't your story. Like I introduced ketamine to you. How did this even come to be? Cause I'm so passionate about it. And so I'm like protective over it. Cause people are like, ketamine, like special K, you know, pop it at a rave.

And I'm like, no, that's not what ketamine was for me. It was very therapeutic and I used it alongside a lot of different tools and it, yeah, quite literally saved my life and also changed my brain chemistry. Are you always doing it under medical supervision? I was just gonna say that, yeah. Yes, yeah, me.

That's how I do it. Okay, because there seems to be a lot of information out there when it comes to ketamine both, you know, I think people have died from it. It seems like, I don't know, but when you're doing it, you feel very safe. Yes. It's very controlled. It's very, it's microdosed. It's very controlled. It's through an IV. Whereas like most people take it by pill and they'll take way too much or you know, they They they're not doing it in the right environment and then they lose control

in this situation like you remove the IV and within like 10 minutes you're Completely back to no normal saying you're not even like you're not taking it to get high. No, no, no It's do it. Yeah, it was the first time I did it. It was Scary for me. I mean, I felt like, I think he gave me a little bit too much. I was holding her hand and I just remember it hit. And all of a sudden I felt like

I was holding the hand of a skeleton. And I was like, wait, babe, hold on a second. Talk to me. Babe, are we dead? Babe, are we dead? I just kept saying that over and over again. And then I guess I kept calling out for my mom. Yeah, you kept like calling for your mom

and then the lights were off and he was like, turn the lights on, turn the lights on. Like it was kind of an overwhelming experience. Whatever it was experienced and they call it a K-hole. So it's just like, you're totally out of control. You feel doom and gloom and you're dying. Basically there's nothing you can do about it. And so that was my first experience.

It got way better after that. I did it maybe 13, 14 times. But for me, it just allowed me to kind of view my life from a completely different perspective. I felt like I was 30,000 feet above myself watching the history of my life and being able to process trauma and things that I'd gone through

and my relationship with my mom, other things that, so yeah, it just kind of, it gives you a different perspective to process things and grow. It's nice. Healing, yeah. Demi, you've been very open on your social media about your friendship status with Taylor and with Jesse.

Where are you with Jesse today? I was telling Nick earlier that she has me blocked on everything. Wow. And I was kind of going back and forth with Nick in terms of responsibility when it comes to those types of situations and how to navigate that. I attempted to have a conversation with her

about everything. And honestly, honestly truly the thing that sucks so bad is that so much of this was either misunderstanding and things being twisted or just like completely like the ego getting in the way of like actually genuinely having a conversation. Like really when you break it down, it's like this was either a miscommunication and like why that hurt you so bad, or that genuinely was never said that way, or this, you know?

And then when I tried to approach her to have that conversation, it was, we'll talk on camera. And I was like, oh, so this is very, like this is a very transactional relationship. This is not like, if a friend really cares about you, they would wanna have a conversation that day, let's jump on the call. Like let's jump on the phone. You all had like a real friendship, right? I thought so. Yeah. I don't know. I never thought so. Yeah. He never thought so to be honest.

No. Really? No. Why is that? From things I had heard and just sometimes you just have a gut instinct, you know, and I know I sound really judgmental saying that. I mean, listen, I mean, as a, you know, as a partner to your spouse, like when we meet their friends, we have our own opinions. And I think sometimes, you know, it's like, first, you kind of sit back and, you know, maybe you could be wrong, could be right, but like, yeah, you know, I sometimes you just feel a certain way. I don't relish that at all. I'm not like, I'm not like I told you so and happy about it at all. It's disappointing and unsurprising at the same time. Well, and multiple things had happened at that point.

I don't know what they show in season two in terms of Jesse and I, but they talk about like the contract situation. So you haven't seen it yet? No. Am I supposed to have? I don't know, no. No.

I just, I think the audience would be fascinated by knowing you haven't seen it yet. No, I have not seen, I've yet to see it. So I don't know exactly what was put in and how it was edited. But in terms of Jesse and I, like so many things, not so many things, but multiple things had happened that had led to this point.

And they weren't things that you couldn't work through necessarily. Were any of them off camera that happened that you can think of? Yes. Yeah. A couple of of them off camera that happened that you can think of? Yes. Yeah. A couple of things were off camera specifically to we kind of got into it, but I had opened up to all the girls after Vanderpump Villa that I'd been groped sexually assaulted. I'm so sorry. That's okay.

And I told opened up to the girls and I asked them to not tell anyone. I told them that, you know, a couple of the girls were like you them to not tell anyone. I told them that, you know, a couple of the girls were like, you need to like file against this guy. Like you, like if this were me, this is what I would do. And I was just like, guys, like, I need you to allow me to handle this the way that I want to handle it. And I just said, I need you to respect

that I don't want to talk about this and I don't want to make it legal. I don't want all of the, everything that comes with making this legal on my plate right now with everything else going on. Like I do not want this to become a thing. Please promise me you won't tell your husbands. Do not tell a soul.

I think all but two weeks later, Jesse went on and told, went out to do Sheena's podcast and told Sheena. And I was like, you don't even know this person. You don't even know Sheena. Why would you in the first five minutes of knowing this person, tell her something that I've asked you not to tell her? And that was really hurtful for me. But I addressed it right away and I'll give myself credit there. I called her right away. The minute I found out about it, I called her and I was just like- Was that on her show?

She talked about it on her show? She didn't talk about it on her show, but she told her about it. I was actually supposed to go out with her to do this podcast. And her and I were in a fight over negotiating contracts for season two. And so I ended up not going out and she was upset with me.

And I, to her credit, I kind of like ghosted her on the Sheena podcast and I didn't like let her know that I wasn't gonna go. And I didn't even like respond to her. I was just so upset. And then she goes out to film the podcast and while they're out there filming, she talks about it. So it was just a couple of things

that had just like stacked up. And I don't know, I don't wanna speak for you, but I do feel like that it was those couple instances, like you had already been kind of a kneesy, but it was those couple instances where you were like red flag. Am I correct in saying that? One of many, yeah.

Just the overarching thing for me with her has been, she will do anything to be famous, period, the end, full stop. Correct. That is her number one priority in her life. How famous can I become? And I will... She's admitted that too.

Yeah. So it's just, it's hard to navigate an authentic friendship when that's somebody's top priority. Do you think any of the other women in the group are like that? Or do you think Jess is exclusive to that? I think Taylor, I don't even think Taylor cares about money. Like when I talked to her about brand deals, she's like, I don't even remember the last time I did a brand deal. Like it's very clear who's in it to create a better lifestyle for their family and like earn money.

And it's very clear who's in it for fame and recognition. What do you think you're in it for? Definitely the lifestyle, the freedom. Like I grew up very, I would say modest, but on the like poverty poor side. I just always knew I wanted better for my family. I did grow up thinking like, oh, it would be so fun to be like a Disney Channel star, it'd be so fun to act and do these things. And I think it took really being in that situation to be like, I'm not willing to sacrifice the

things that people are willing to in this world for that kind of financial freedom. But that's what it was for for me. It's always been about money. It's always been about creating a better life for my family and creating free time to spend time with my family. I fell in love with her a little bit more after watching how she's navigated it since becoming more famous or famous. You've never seen somebody more disaffected by fame, ever.

I would put you number one across any human being who's ever been famous, who's been less affected by it, and who actually, when people come up to her, it's like she's very gracious and kind, but she's always been famous, who's been less affected by it, and who actually, when people come up to her, it's like she's very gracious and kind, but she's always afterwards uncomfortable, just like gosh, it's so uncomfortable for me every single time. It's not something that she looks forward to.

Well, I think I just have the perspective, and I do think that ketamine helped a lot with this. The perspective of life and its true meaning, and viewing myself as like, yes, I'm incredible. Yes, I have self-worth. Yes, I like know my strengths as much as I can look at you and say the same things for you and you, but I am still just a human being.

And so for me, it feels a little bit like, what are you getting so excited about? Like, it's okay. I always say to people too, I'm like, I'm just a girl. Like, trust me, at the end of the day, I'm just a girl trying to navigate life. And so that's, it's a little odd to me. Like the worshiping of people is odd to me.

As someone who lives with her every day, she is worthy of that admiration, which I think is kind of a rare thing in entertainment. You get a lot of people who are shitty people behind the scenes and not really worthy of it. She's an amazing human being to her core. So she is worthy of the praise. Well, it's just true. She is worthy of the praise, but she's totally worthy of it. She's an amazing human being to her core. So she is worthy of the praise. Well, it's just true.

She is worthy of the praise, but she's totally uncomfortable with it. No, I just love that you guys really are into each other. You can really tell. We just start talking to each other. Yeah, we're like, all right. Did Jessie used to do your hair? She did it a couple of times.

Terribly. No. Just kidding. No. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. I did see you post on Instagram the new person who does your hair and you're like, best hair stylist in the link video. She is actually. Yes.

Okay. She's phenomenal. Okay. She's incredible. Nice to know where you stand. No, and I will say this, there's nothing wrong with it. It's so subjective. We did clear up how we could have handled the conversation with Taylor better.

And I do see that perspective, where even just as a friend, that it wasn't my place to relay what other people's opinions about it. I think what I was getting so caught up on, and Nick helped me see this, was the semantics and the nuance of, I didn't say that Jesse's shit at color.

I relayed the message that Jen, Whitney, and Layla said that she did a shitty job. And relayed the message that Jen, Whitney, and Layla said that she did a shitty job. And I kept dying on that, like, but I wasn't the one that was shitting on it. Like these three girls were, and I just relayed that. And he was like, well, still, like as a friend, don't you see how it's problematic

that you were relaying that information that wasn't yours to relay to sway someone else on their opinion? Which I see clear as day now how that was wrong. Like, I think it took me literally until hearing that perspective. So thank you because I was dying on the hill of being like, but I didn't say that. I didn't say that. Like what aren't you hearing instead of hearing Jesse's hurt of, okay, I get that you didn't say maybe this in this way, but this hurt me because you didn't have my back in that

moment. Is there a part of you that after hearing that and realizing that is interested in, in reaching out to Jesse and clearing that or are you fully done with that friendship and you have no interest in trying to clear things up that are in the past? I, that's another conversation we were having that I kind of posed the question to him. If you had a friend where you had had things where it's like, you've hurt each other, and then that person decides to completely remove themselves from your life and block you on everything, do you feel like

it's not only your responsibility, but do you feel like it's your place to go knocking down their door after they've clearly blocked you and said, I don't want anything to do with you, and say, love me, choose me, please hear me out? In that circumstance, it's almost kind of like if the conversation were to naturally happen, sure, like now I know like how to take full accountability on that. Because she kept saying

like, you're not taking full accountability. And I didn't understand that. And I do regret that, you know? So yes, I would have that conversation and fully own, you know, my contribution to that situation as a whole. But I don't think I'd go knocking down her door necessarily to be like, wait, hold on. If y'all happen to be in the same, you would. Which I'm sure we will be. So yeah, I will own that all day long because that is something that I do see now.

Well, we know you guys have to get going and we want people to be able to binge their whole season because we all need to start watching it. And this, it just came out today. But you guys even last season and early in this season the parts I have seen you guys especially in Mormon terms seem to be a very sex positive couple and obviously this whole show got started with the whole swinging scandal and I feel like there's a lot of like curiosity around like, is there like some kind of openness or swinging going on in this particular group or, you know,

in the Mormon community in general, but like, you know, with you guys being so sex positive with your relationship, I think it sometimes like raises questions being like, are these guys freaks or whatever? So can we kind of like just establish where you guys kind of land on the freak scale in terms of, and maybe it's just a, maybe it is a double standard.

Did anyone ever find out what fruity pebbles actually meant or have we kept that mysterious in secret? I mean, you guys know. We know. You did sport it. You're, I'll just say, you wore it as a Halloween costume and like, if you don't want people to find out, like you should probably just stop bread crumbing them.

He's gonna get to the point where he's like, it was this. I can't hold it any longer. But you know, and maybe that's just, I guess the reason I ask the question, and maybe that's like a double standard with like just Mormonism in general of like you thinking, oh, it's such a conservative kind of sex oppressed community. And so when you guys talk so openly about sex, people just perceive certain things about you. Do you feel that in general from the audience or the,

even your community in general? And then also where do you guys fall in the freak? He's like, cause I got it. You take that question on the freak scale. I mean, well, first of all, not the freak scale on the one. So let me say this on the fidelity scale, we are a 10 out of 10. We're a hundred percent monogamous. We don't even entertain the thought. I mean, so don't answer that. On the fidelity scale, we are a 10 out of 10. You're monogamous. We're 100% monogamous. We don't even entertain the thought.

I mean, so get that out there. Okay. That's A number one. Immediately, yeah. Yeah. As far as she and I go, we just have undeniable chemistry and wherever that leads us, it leads us. Okay.

And we're just gonna lean into it. All right. And so, I don't know. I'll, you go. That's a good, safe point to answer it, yeah. But the first part I think was important because I think again, you have this narrative with the show being how it even started.

And then, you know, I grew as a very Catholic. So I'm very familiar with hardcore, you know, devout religions, especially around sex. And then there's always like a fascination around it. So, and when you see something or a couple that kind of goes against the norms of what we understand about a community,

there's a heightened fascination with it. Yeah, I think that's natural and totally fine. I think it's totally fine to talk about too. As far as the swinging goes, the only person that participated in swinging was Taylor. And Miranda. And now Miranda. But nobody else in the cast has participated

in any of that to our knowledge. Well, didn't Jess in her previous marriage? Well, okay, now we're getting, now we're putting our foot in our mouth. Why? Because Jess did in her, Jesse did in her previous marriage. Oh yeah, she's talked about that.

Yeah. But that leaves Jesse, Taylor, Miranda. That's three. That's three of the nine. Yeah. 30%. No one else. It's never too late. I mean, y'all could.

Too late. Too late. No, no. Yeah. I know you guys have to go. Maybe we'll get a chance to talk to you both in the future once we watch the whole season. But it's a, I'm a big fan of you guys both.

I'm excited to unpack this whole season. Check out all of it. If you guys are listening, be sure to check it out. It's out now. It's on Hulu. I think there's 10 episodes. I've watched a little bit so far. I'm very entertained.

I'm very into it. I'm excited to see how it all goes, but thanks for stopping by and hopefully we have a chance to talk in the future. Always a pleasure, thank you. Thanks for having us. Thank you guys for listening. Thank you to our guests, Demi and Brett.

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