The WAN Show - 3rd Gen THREADRIPPER - WAN Show Oct 18, 2019

Episode Date: October 19, 2019

Ridge Wallet: Save 10% at Ridge Wallet with offer code LINUS at https://www.ridge.com/linus Savage Jerky: Use offer code LTT to save 10% on Savage Jerky at https://lmg.gg/savagejerky Seasonic: Check out Seasonic's PRIME 850 W Titanium on Amazon at https://lmg.gg/seasonicprime Buy an LTT shirt, hoodie, hat, and even our own insulated water bottle at https://lmg.gg/wanlttstore Timestamps (Courtesy of Cahenvels) 0:53 Linus explains why he's wearing a lab coat and safety goggles 1:51 Topic Rundown 4:22 Intro 5:20 Linus Debunks theories about last week WAN show stream 'kill' 6:09 3rd Gen threadripper and Ryzen 9 3950x coming soon 11:14 Is intel in trouble? 24:58 Conclusion to 'Is intel in trouble?' 27:15 Blizzard pulls out of launch event for overwatch on switch, bans more pro Hong Kong hearthstone players and senators call out censorship. 30:40 Sponsor Ridge Wallets 31:30 Sponsor Seasonic 32:45 Sponsor Savage Jerky 34:43 Linus colab with Donut Media 37:00 Colab with Shroud, MrGrimmmz, Corey_OW and Paul's Hardware 38:37 Discussion about Nvidia and website 42:17 Back to colab subject after getting sidetracked 43:12 Luke admits he can't tell the difference in his shooting game skills on higher refreshrate monitors 46:55 Spoilers from here If you wish to not have anything spoiled about the colab, go to next subject. 55:41 Google pixel 4, pixel book go, new pixel buds, nest mini, home mini 2 and nest wifi routers 58:21 Riot Games announces new projects 1:01:28 Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You know what's great about ambition? You can't see it. Some things look ambitious, but looks can be deceiving. For example, a runner could be training for a marathon, or they could be late for the bus. You never know. Ambition is on the inside. So that goal to beat your personal best? Keep chasing it. Drive your ambition. Mitsubishi Motors. I think the title is still all right title still pixel sweet uh oh crap really uh-oh well okay then uh third gen thread ripper

to be clear. Welcome to the land show, ladies and gentlemen. It's not new news, which is why I didn't originally put it in the title. That's fine. We haven't talked about it yet. Yeah, we have. What? I thought there's more details.

Just that it's, like, coming. Yeah. Okay. Good enough. All right. Sounds good. We're talking with Threadripper. We're going to have a great show for you guys today.

I'm sorry that I... Wait, what on earth is this? Get what is this text here getting it yeah i want to remove the text all right i have genuinely no idea how that got there what a week it has been ladies and gentlemen why you're wearing this i would to. I can't give too many details because it's one of those things that is like an honor-bound embargo. Like, there's no actual nondisclosure agreement, but it's kind of like... But you know that if you broke it, you'd be a jerk. I'd be a total butthead. Yeah, okay.

What I can say is that it involved a high powered potato cannon, and an exploding watermelon, and saving the environment. Nice. Nice. It's nice. Nice. I saw a

not a commercial, I guess, a PSA of sorts recently that I think the guy kept looking at his watch while he was playing a soccer match and then it was like every 30 seconds the rainforest loses an entire soccer field worth of, I was like wow, yeah that sucks, cool, alright pretty much blows

there's other news, more Blizzard stuff so I'm sure that'll be absolutely fantastic also something else, Riot Games is announcing, like, everything. A mobile game called Wild Rift, a hero shooter called Project A, a top-down MMO called Project F,

a card game called Legends of Runeterra, an animated series, and an esports manager or something. LOL Esports Manager. Just every game. Was that a pun lol esports i think the esports manager thing is supposed to be like the fifa manager games really but that's the smartest thing i've ever heard ever that's purely just based on looking at the name in the text doc i haven't looked looked into it at all, so I could be aggressively wrong.

Now is like the right time to do something like that. It seems like it. Yeah. So they're just trying to make every game on the planet. It sounds like a company owned 100% by Tencent is trying to go after companies not 100% owned by Tencent. Only partially owned by Tencent. Sweet.

Sounds like an interesting move. In other news, 3 third gen Threadripper and the Ryzen 9 3950X are coming soon. We never actually said that. So we'll talk about that pretty shortly. And I think I'm allowed

to talk to you guys about this, but if I'm not, Nick isn't here to tell me no. Oh. He's not in the office today. Oh, Nick, I'm so sorry. And I am silencing my phone right now. Oh.

Oh, no. Oh, no. What just happened? That's some confidence. So we did a pretty epic collab this week. I don't know if you've been keeping track of what's been shaken. Well, I think it was pretty obvious with the Twitter post. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

The two of them. Mr. Grimms. Yep. Corey from the Washington, oh, I forget, the Washington Overwatch team. Corey underscore OW on Twitter. Yeah.

Pretty cool kid. Shroud was there. Paul's hardware was there. And you were there. And you were there. And you were, it's a Wizard of Oz thing. And you're all there

through the camera. So I, yeah, it's amazing. I just want to talk a little bit about the experience of shooting it. The video is probably not coming for at least two or three weeks just because there is so much footage. The arena looks amazing. I'm going to have an editor doing nothing but that for at least two weeks solid.

It's sponsored by NVIDIA, so they're going to want to take a look at it before it goes up, but it'll be coming. It's gonna be awesome. First, let's hit that intro. Pew, pew, pew. Pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew. Bow, bow, bow.

Oh, crap. Yeah, there's really no way we can fix that, is there? No, we just have to offline online. Yeah, sorry, I don't think we can fix that, is there? No, we just have to offline online. Yeah, sorry. I don't think we can do that. That sucks. Okay. Sorry, guys. I pressed the wrong button,

and so we're only live on YouTube right now. Very sorry. The only way I can fix it is by going off YouTube and then back on all of them, and we really can't disrupt our streams any more than we absolutely have to. We had quite a few people suggesting that last stream was turned off on purpose. I saw some great conspiracy theories about me being on my phone and, like, sending a message to kill the stream.

Guys, if I wanted to kill the stream, the button is right here. We don't have a producer. So there's a stream PC right off the screen. It's literally right there. Nobody else has a way to turn off the WAN show, really, unless they were to go into the server room and yank the Ethernet cable.

Or like pull power here. Yeah, even if they pulled power, we're on a UPS. Oh, get owned. No, they would have to go to the back of our power supply. They'd have to be right here, which conceivably they could have been, but I wouldn't have had to text them at that point. Yeah, yeah.

Anyway, great news for you guys this week. Third Gen Threadripper and the Ryzen 9 3950X are coming soon. The leaks are starting to really accelerate. Yeah. In fact, I think it was, was it ASRock that leaked a board or MSI? I'm just trying to remember which one it was. Also a source from, not boards, but a source from inside AMD

provided internal documents listing the announcement and release date for third gen Threadripper CPUs. The 3960X, 3970X, 3990X, and the TR40 motherboards will apparently be announced November 5th with availability November 19th. Sexy. Dang.

Rumors point to the 3960X with 24 cores, 3970X with 32 cores, and 3980X with 48 cores, and 3990X with 64 cores. I'm thinking it would be hilarious if I waited two more generations to upgrade my processor. And 10X your core count? Well, no. I upgraded from a 5960X to a 5960X. I actually think that would be hilarious. Oh, man. I mean, there have been other times when you could do just such a thing.

If you held on to your GeForce GTX 480 or 580, you could have then upgraded to a Radeon RX 480 or 580. What are some other great examples of that? Just trying to think. There's definitely been a few, but there hasn't been like a ton. Doesn't happen that often. Especially when it would be a like a

somewhat reasonable upgrade. You know what I mean? Like, the 5960X is still fine. And in two generations, it'll probably still be sort of fine. So WCCF Tech has pictures of... Where is it? No, apparently WCCF

Tech doesn't have that. Hold on a second. Dang it. Where's that MSI motherboard that I'm looking for? MSI leaks new thing. Here it is. Woo! Wait a minute.

What the crap? That's not an MSI board. That's just a motherboard. What is with this clickbait? Look at this. Look at this horrible thing. MSI leaks new AMD Threadripper. That's an asus board yeah like obviously what are you even talking about is this where is the stupid picture of it uh have you been to tom's yet i'm looking there whatever't matter. Okay, so let's have a look at what specs there are available.

So, yeah, so this is, honestly, this is pretty darn exciting because up to 64 cores on an ATDT platform, and given the pricing that we've seen before on Threadripper, I mean, even the— Oh, sorry, yeah. ATDT is high-end desktop, so that's Intel's LGA 2011, 2066, like their higher pin count sockets. And then same thing for AMD, the bigger higher pin count socket. So your Ryzen is on AMD's consumer socket

or mainstream socket, and then Threadripper, well, Ryzen Threadripper, I guess, is on your ATDT or high-end desktop socket. And ATDT is sort of a weird gray area. Intel recently tried to kind of separate it from workstation. They did a separate C600 series chipset. They did separate Xeon workstation chips for it. No one cared because they were basically the same thing as the Core i9s with ECC.

And then on the AMD side, they include ECC support with all their chips anyway, so there would be no differentiation whatsoever between an AT-DT and a workstation platform. So Threadripper is essentially the workstation platform. It's just a matter of whether you buy a board that has more workstation-oriented features, like faster onboard networking or support for, you know, SAS drives or whatever the case may be. I don't know. I don't think anyone cares about that anymore. I know that NVMe is a thing.

But I think you guys get my point. Whereas you would buy a more gamer or consumer-centric one if you wanted to game or do consumer-y stuff. This would be... Sorry. If you wanted to game, though, I think Threadripper is of dubious value.

This is probably, almost assuredly, way too much work. You know how he did systems through the ages at the last LTX? Doing server setups would be really cool. That would be cool if you're into that sort of thing. Yeah, probably not for almost anyone there.

And it would be way too much work. But I would love it. Yeah. I'm sure you would. Okay, is that more or less? No, I guess the Ryzen 9 3950X is expected to launch in November as well. But I don't think that was specifically detailed. So here's the big conversation.

November as well, but I don't think that was specifically detailed. So here's the big conversation. Intel recently hit back with their 10 series HEDT chips, which was essentially a price cut. Yeah. I mean, it's been a long time since Intel has actually responded to anything AMD's done, but now they are. So I guess the question here is, is Intel in trouble? So I guess the question here is, is Intel in trouble?

Because we're sitting here, AMD launched their third-gen Ryzen up to 12 cores. Intel already had to respond. Now AMD is following up with third-gen-based Threadripper. and I don't think there's anything in Intel's lineup that is even, that is going to do anything but embarrass them on a graph, you know? Because that's how people shop, right? Like, oh, who has the best CPU right now? So you look up, you know, a Cinebench graph or whatever the case may be.

And Intel made an argument that Cinebench is kind of overrated as a benchmark since it's not representative of what a lot of people are doing with their computers. And I see your point. But that's how a lot of people determine, okay, who makes the best CPU in the world? And a lot of people buy a lower-end product based on who makes the best one. Yeah. I think that's fairly standard, actually.

They are losing market share. They are. So I think they're obviously in trouble. I think they've been in trouble for a while. I don't by any means think they're drowning. But I think they're losing mind share, which is something they had pretty strongly, say, four years ago. I mean, there's two different ways to look at mind share. I think they had mind share in the way that you're talking about, I think,

where it's like I need to buy a gaming CPU. Who makes great gaming CPUs? Intel. But there's another kind of mind share that I want to bring up, and that's the goodwill mind share. Like I don't think Intel has a... Sorry, let's keep going. I don't think Intel has a ton of

goodwill in the community. So imagine for a second if Intel had been on top for a long time and had been kind of like a benevolent force. You know, granting new technologies to us at a

rate that we felt like was as fast as they could possibly do it i mean i got really annoyed actually when i found out that intel has a super low cost uh integrated networking chip um i shouldn't say an integrated networking chip it's a't say an integrated networking chip. It's a little bit more complicated than that. So it's an outboard networking chip that goes on the motherboard, but that integrates with features that are present on the CPU in order to make the solution very, very cost effective. So basically, there's two different ways that you can put an Intel NIC or network interface card on your motherboard.

You can buy a complete standalone one, that's more expensive, or you can leverage some of the technology that's already on the CPU, which is obviously not an option if your name isn't Intel, and then you can put a super cheap one on. So I found out... And you're talking like physically on a board, because you're not talking about adding cards right now. That's right, yeah. So I mean like a figurative NIC, like a... a figurative nick like a i was just more clarifying yeah so um so what i found out is that the upcoming boards for their 10 series hddt chips um are gonna have for as little as i think it's about two dollars and 70 cents bomb

cost are gonna have multi-gigabit networking. Oh, damn. Okay. But they've had this, I'm assuming you're saying? If you can do it for $2.70 today, you probably could have done it for 10 bucks a few years ago. But instead, motherboard manufacturers who have wanted to integrate multi-gigabit networking have been forced to buy chipsets that are upwards of 100 hundred hundred and fifty dollars

I remember checking in with a Seuss and this was this is a couple years ago now, but They were basically like yeah We might as well just build a 10 gig LAN card Put it in the box and then you plug it into a PCI Express port if you want 10 gig Otherwise, I guess you can like flip it on eBay Compared to trying to integrate it onto the board. It was so cost prohibitive. And it's like, were there things happening in the industry

that slowed that down? Yeah, for sure. The multi-gigabit move took some time because 2.5 gig and 5 gig didn't really start seeing any support until probably the last one to three years i guess 10 gig was the standard before that so the idea was we're going to go straight from one gig to 10 gig but it was so cost prohibitive to do that um that they were like okay well we should probably build some intermediary standards

well where was that ages ago there's something to be said said for it's possible that they couldn't get, like, proper yields or whatever, and then by the time they were able to actually accomplish the thing, it was just automatically that cheap. But I don't think that's true in this case. Intel cheap 10 gigabit chip. I'm going to check. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Because sometimes, like, they could have been working on this thing for a long time, but it wasn't production ready. And then they get it production ready, and they might just jump right with it.

Yeah, but the thing about... They have shown that they are not going to do that. Yeah. Many times. I mean, the thing about yields, though. I mean, that's what I said, though. It's like, if you can do it for $2.70 today, you probably could have done it for... No, I know, but, like, maybe it wasn't...

Even if you're yield for one quarter. Maybe it wasn't production ready, like, almost at all at all i don't know i'm saying it's possible yeah i'm also saying that intel has shown that they will yeah not do that for years yep and they will not release things and shelve things and all that kind of and like to me the fact that there aren't other players in the industry supporting it like two and a half and five gig, shouldn't necessarily be an impediment because if you're Intel and you are literally making the interface chips, I mean, a D-Link or a Linksys or whatever can come to you, buy chips, make switches. Oh, wow. All of a sudden there's...

You're kind of the party that needs to go first. An ecosystem for this. And so... You have to step up and make it so the consumers or enterprise or whatever is like, oh, I have this thing. I want to connect it into other things. That was a huge chunk of lag, and that's super loud. Yeah. They can definitely hear that.

So I want to connect this cool thing that I have to other stuff. It's probably Jake. Then that will – I wouldn't even be surprised. Have you heard his car? Yes. It sounds kind of like that. Yeah. But then that will, I wouldn't even be surprised.

Have you heard his car? Yes. It sounds kind of like that. Then that will put pressure on companies like the D-Link or TrendNet or whatever you were just talking about, et cetera, to support devices and everything else. If I had a computer that supported that, I would be driven to try to go get the networking hardware that also supports that. Absolutely. So back to the discussion of Mindshare. If Intel had put themselves in a position where they had a technological advantage and also were seen as pushing things along as fast as they could,

I don't think they'd be under any kind of threat right now whatsoever, because the cold hard truth is that for enthusiasts and for gamers, outside of some fairly uncommon use cases let's face it what percentage of you guys actually 3d model at home and yeah there's going to be a fair number of you probably a decent amount but that decent amount is probably under 10 and that's when show viewers. Yeah. That's not the general public. Yeah. But the problem, so for people who just play video games or do light video editing, Intel is still in a very good position. I mean, Adobe Premiere is notoriously poorly optimized for multi-threaded processors.

So if you were to run out and buy... Oh, I thought you were just going to leave it there. Yeah, I could have. Yeah. So if you were going to run out and buy- Oh, I thought you were just gonna leave it there. Yeah, I could've. Yeah, I was, yeah. So if you were gonna run out and buy a 9900K or something like that, you're getting basically peak tier Adobe Premiere performance.

The only difference is that now there's a second option and people are flocking to AMD because they're trying to send a message. So that's what I'm trying to say. On the one hand, they had mindshare for like, Intel CPUs are great for gaming, and they still are. Intel isn't under fire by like a generations ahead technology, like they were when AMD came at them with 64-bit or with dual core, and Intel had only single core processors

this isn't quite like that but because people are so tired of it an option that comes along and performs even as well and oh and it's a great value too it's even cheaper and Intel takes six to twelve months to adjust their pricing to you to match this threat that's so very obviously here. Like, if they just were, like, I love so much of what they do. They didn't have to give the Thunderbolt 3 spec to the USB forum. Yeah. USB 4 is going to be great.

Okay, that's a very good, okay, I like that. Intel does a lot of good. I want to root for them. That's a good insult sandwich. It's the opposite of compliment sandwich. You just put a compliment in the middle instead of on each side. But they just do the most self-destructive thing. There it comes.

It's like if Intel designed a gun, the barrel would be made of lead. Because they only know how to aim in one direction. Something that I've been saying for a long time. And I've talked to people at Intel about this. And I understand their stance. And I totally get it on paper. But Intel doesn't show up to conventions anymore.

I know, right? And I've... I can't go into it, but I've talked to people at Intel about this and they have their very legitimate reasons. I will say that much.

But I think they're really missing something, which is when you walk around a PAX and you see a gigantic AMD booth that's just popping. There's tons of people there. There's stuff going on. People are really excited. And Intel just isn't around? are really excited and Intel just isn't around? For the enthusiast community that like really cares, that's a really weird message. Yeah, it looks bad.

It looks really bad. Like really, really bad. And there's like, I'm sure it's- With that said, Intel showed up for LTX, so I'm just saying maybe PAX is- Yeah, I think- Maybe PAX is the problem. I think they could have shown up more.

I think they... I'm not part of LTX. I'm not even part of LTT, so I can throw that bomb. Nick and Colton aren't here to yell at me. Intel knows they could have shown up more, and I believe the plan is to show up more next year. But, like, they should be. Yes.

And they should be showing up more to LTX. They loved LTX. They should be showing up more to other conventions. And I get that from, like... Okay. From a computer hardware standpoint, going to an LTX. Again, I'm separate from all this. Going to an LTX makes way more sense than going to a PAX because your target audience is like 100% of the attendees compared to a relatively small percentage.

Laser focused. Yes. Tech enthusiasts. So totally. But that's a pretty easy thing to just accept the pax argument and the other conventions argument you should still be there not because it necessarily has a huge roi but because your competition is just laughing at you while they are there and that's really weird so back to mindshare that's a way that they're losing

mindshare in both ways yeah they're losing Mindshare in both ways. They're losing Mindshare in the sense that they're just losing that association with gaming, which has been so strong for them. And the thing is, like... Buy a Core i5 was, like, the answer to gaming computers for so long. I know. I know. And the thing about gaming is that not everyone plays games. But gamers are really passionate. And the thing about gaming is that not everyone plays games. Yeah.

But gamers are really passionate, and they talk to other people. And when you have a product that's great for gaming, and, oh, by the way, it's also great for photo editing and video editing and, you know, light 3D rendering, well, that's a winning combination. And there's also, like, if a gamer buys a system, and then their like family needs a computer or something like that. Or they grow up. Or they grow up. And like get a job and need

a computer for that. Other stuff. Or whatever. They'll probably go well I had a good experience with that thing. It never lagged outside of anything other than like maybe some super intense moment in a game or something like that. I want to use that thing still.

Like, I've even observed something where gamers will build computers for their non-gamer friends and kind of secretly kind of make sure that it's, like, pretty solid if that person ever wants to join them in a game. I've seen that many times. I've done that. Yeah, because you're like, well, I want to... And the thing, okay, the thing about that,

I just want to justify that for a minute. Do they really need a decent graphics card? Okay, hold on. So we've talked about how an entry-level graphics card is a bad deal. Yes. Because you get like, you know, 10 FPS per dollar or whatever, or like one FPS per dollar. And then one that's like twice as much,

you might get five or ten times the performance. So really, you're doing them a favor. And graphics cards are used for more than just gaming now. Yes. Yeah. And there's really cool things you can do with computers. So even if they're not into games at all, there's very likely something else on a computer that they would be into. Exactly.

Whether that's CAD modeling or photo editing or whatever. So is Intel in trouble? They have a public relations problem on their hands. I don't think the technology is actually the issue. They have time. It took AMD this long to basically, like, they're still fighting against freaking Haswell, basically. Like, it's not like it's yes yes amd is now on par ish with intel's latest technology but intel's technology three four years ago was also basically on par with intel's technology like it's a yeah it's like

yeah go amd but also like this is this was really Intel's race to lose. And I think they're going to come back strong now that they've got the right motivation, which is, oh, wow, we have an actual competitor. They're going to figure that out. I'm not worried about them in the long term. They're going to come back strong from this. Whatever. It's fine.

What we want, I think I can talk for both of us here, is for both of them to be as strong as possible. Absolutely. Because that's going to drive the industry forward as fast as possible. So Intel's problem then is one of perception. And I've told them this before. I've told representatives that I was like, look, you guys got to be more human. Yeah. You can't just, like, you can't be the scary corporate monster that, you know, your legal department won't sign off on any behavior other than that.

Like, they got to chillax. You got to have a personality. You got to really get out there in person and talk to people and, like, be cool. I understand the ROI doesn't work. I get it. Just do it. Oh, yeah, the ROI of live activations. Terrible.

It's horrible. Terrible. Total waste of time. But imperceptibly, it's still a really big deal. Because I honestly, straight up, I think the biggest problem with them not being at a convention is that AMD is. Yep.

Oh, yeah, for sure. If AMD wasn't there, it wouldn't matter. It wouldn't really matter. Nope. You're right. All right. Speaking of things that wouldn't really matter. Nope, you're right. All right, speaking of things that wouldn't really matter, if I were to explain this as clearly as I possibly can

and make my position just absolutely crystal clear, it wouldn't matter. A good percentage of you would find a way to misinterpret it anyway. So I'm just going to stick to my notes here. Yeah. Title. Blizzard pulls out of launch event for Overwatch on Switch.

Bans more pro Hong Kong Hearthstone players. Senators call out censorship. The sources are Ars Technica, Kotaku, The Verge, and IGN. 10 out of 10. Blizzard canceled the planned New York launch of Overwatch on Switch, apparently blindsiding Nintendo with the news. It is believed Blizzard was trying to avoid unrest

from fans upset with the company's ban of Hearthstone player Blitzchung. But it doesn't help that performance of the Switch port of Overwatch is pretty bad. This week, Blizzard banned three more Hearthstone players from a college team for holding up a free Hong Kong Boycott Blizz sign while on a competition stream. A bipartisan group of Congress people, wow, that doesn't happen very often anymore, and senators have sent a letter to Blizzard expressing concern over the company's recent

actions. Can Blizzard recover from this PR nightmare? Will Riot Games take over the niches currently occupied by Blizzard Games? Fantastic job, newscaster. Thank you. And back to you. Yeah, I don't actually think there's

necessarily a ton to say about this. Yeah, I don't, I don't, I think they can recover from the PR nightmare. I think it's going to be a while. Are you going to wear red? Yes. You've even got a red shirt with you today. More orangey, but yes. That's pretty red.

Yeah. It's fairly red. Yeah. But you had to put on that Ram shirt for the WAN show. I did. Because LTTstore.com. But yes, I'm 100% going to be wearing red. I've been debating, because I think this might actually get me kicked out,

getting shirts made that have the Blizzard logo and then the yellow stars. The Blizzard logo in red. Or yellow, sorry. And then has the yellow stars around the end. I think that actually might get me kicked out. So I don't know if I'm going to go that far. How viral do you want to go, Seth? I wouldn't wear it until the last day, but then, hey, you know.

Wear it until the last day. That might be the best idea. Then you can enjoy BlizzCon. I might get banned from BlizzCon. You might get banned from BlizzCon. I just have to make sure they don't know my account names. Speaking of LTTstore.com, hold that up for a second. If you had to guess, which would you say is more popular?

The black and white or the gold and black? If I had to guess? Yeah, yeah. You have to guess. Okay, so I have publicly said that I like this one more before. And I'm going to stand by that. You're going to stand by it. But the way you're wording this makes me think it is this one.

Oh, I don't remember what you said. Okay. But I would say it's... If I hadn't heard you say anything, I would say it's this one. Because this is the one that I thought was gonna sell more. It's the opposite thing. You just pointed at this one saying it was gonna sell more. Because you worded it interestingly.

Okay, just answer the question. This one. That one. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, black and gold is doing about two to one. Yeah. I actually really like the white and black one, personally.

But we talked about this when we first announced them. We both said that this one got, like, more votes. It just has such a Stormtrooper vibe. Yes. I love Stormtrooper colors. I really like it. Well, they're not really colors. They're more shades.

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Not as spicy as the Reaper chip that I almost had to eat on Tuesday. So are you familiar with pepper chips? Pepper chips? Okay. So it's not a potato chip.

Like, normally a potato chip would... It's a chip made out of spicy peppers. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. No, I've never heard of that. So, um... That sounds kind of terrifying. Am I allowed to talk about this?

I'll talk about it a bit, but I won't say too much. So I worked on a really fun collab this last week. Are you familiar with Donut Media? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yes. Okay, so cool.

Let me just fire them up here. Actually, like, there's a few of their videos that I'm quite into. Super cool, guys. Got to meet a whole bunch of the crew down there. You worked with them? Um, let me just mute my, uh... This has gotta be unique. Oh, I think I muted.

Um... Hey, that video! The title video is fantastic. I love that one. There we go. So, I met James. Super cool guy. Cool. There's not going to be any spoilers. Anyway, these guys do car videos, and they do them up real well.

Super professional. Great guys. I went down there for a collab, and it's like a challenge video of sorts. It's like a challenge video of sorts. And the punishment is that the losing team had to eat a Carolina Reaper chip. So this is like a dried chip. It's like this big. You share it, but that's like a lot of frigging Carolina Reaper.

And you just eat it. I'm very interested in what this... This sounds very different. I'll say that much. It involves me driving. Cool. It's a driving challenge. I don't want to say too much. No, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's their video. Yeah, we should probably put it out. And I want to make sure that I'm respectful of that. I have no idea when it's coming out. I did ask to take a look at it before it comes out. But I had a ton of fun down there. It was really cool. Great guys.

I think they're growing, like, really fast right now. So they've got 2.5 million subscribers, basically. But they are doing, like, half a million views on every single video they upload pretty much and they have some some standout ones that are like a lot more than that. So people are super into their content and they're just really cool. I really like that. It's just kind of. I don't know. Just seems positive.

I don't know how to explain that properly, but like you feel pretty good coming out of one of those videos. Oh, yeah. I also want to talk about another big collab. So, again, I can't share everything just because NVIDIA is the sponsor for the project, and I don't want to, like, technically... I mean, a lot of people don't want to like, like technically, I mean, a lot of people don't know this. So technically the way it works,

I've had people say like, man, I've seen this comment on our own videos. I've seen this comment on other people's videos. Yeah. Who cares if it's a sponsored review as long as they're telling us what they think. No, that matters a lot. Like, no, that matters a lot

because if it's sponsored, it literally has to be cleared by the sponsor, no matter what. And a lot of sponsors are pretty chill. Yeah. In fact, actually, from my experience, NVIDIA, when they'll work with you, which is not very often,

we've actually done only, I think, three or four deals with them over the entire seven years that Linus Media Group has existed. Seven years. I think, three or four deals with them over the entire seven years that Linus Media Group has existed. Seven years. I know, right? They're actually pretty chill to work with. Really good people over there.

A lot of real gamers over there. They also suffer from a bit of a PR learning disability because they have like they have all this really truly amazing cool tech and then they like they almost put too much glitz and glam on it sometimes I feel like a lot of the time they make it feel like it's not for you and I think

like one of the issues that I'll bring up with that if you want to jump to my screen for a second yeah for sure is their own website because when you want to jump to my screen for a second. Yeah, for sure. Is their own website. Because when you go to their website, the driver button just constantly floats to the right. Right. And I know that seems random and weird,

and why would I even have noticed that? Yeah, you're right. But now it's platforms and developers and industries and all this other kind of stuff. And as a gamer... Drivers and support is what I'm after. Yeah. developers and industries and all this other kind of stuff and as like a gamer Drivers and support is what I know is what I'm after Yeah, and you're kind of shoved way over to the side everyone knows the primo real estate on the website is top left Top left. Yeah, so they're not looking for you. It's it's it's and I

That has always kind of bugged me. Look at the carousel at the top. Ride an Nvidia self-driving car Yep, I don't even know what else is here, but that one's definitely there Even look at the carousel at the top. Ride an NVIDIA self-driving car. Yep. I don't even know what else is here, but that one's definitely there. Okay, Mobile World Congress, sure. But it doesn't even say what he's talking about. Yep, that's true. It says MWC, so most people outside of industry aren't even going to know what that means. That's fair. He's not holding a graphics card or something.

But look how relatable he is in that leather jacket. You know what? I've been informed that Jensen actually watches our reviews of their products. And apparently, if I complain about something and he feels like I actually have a legitimate point, like, not heads will roll, but heads definitely get, like, informed. Like, why did we do it that way? I was like, oh, really? Because the last time I met him, he, like, barely knew who I was.

But that was quite a while ago. So, like, apparently he legit actually watches our videos. Well, like, okay, I complained about this a lot, and then they did change it, but I have been actually fairly recently informed that it was not because of community backlash at all. But do you know the GeForce Experience driver install thing? Yeah.

Where the only default, if you chose the default buttons, the only option was to have GeForce Experience. Yes. You had to go into advanced and disable it and take it off. Yep. Apparently, I have been told, I have no idea if this is valid and the source is not from NVIDIA. I'll be very clear about that. Okay. So basically you're just making things up.

Borderline. Proceed. But I have been told that the reason why they had to split it out was GDPR. Oh, interesting. Because the telemetry stuff. It does make a lot of sense, which is why I'm bringing it up at all. But it apparently was not community backlash it was gdpr so there's that which is like k because i gave them a lot of credit for doing that because i thought it was because they were responding to the community so i have some really interesting insight um about why they cared so much about collecting that data they're actually using it to do some really cool stuff sure Sure. They're using it to change the way they develop future GPUs to make them perform better in the ways that people are using

them. And I was like... But you don't walk up to your battery-potted humans and shove a cable in and extract that information. You talk about how you plan to do really cool things and try to ask for it. Yeah, that's fair.

You can even have it as a default slider, but it should be the way that it is now. Yeah, the way it is now is fine. And it should probably explain why they're pulling that telemetry data and everything else. How did we get on this topic? Talking about how they have PR issues and they're not in the greatest light right now. Yeah, no, before that, though.

I'm sure there was a... Because we were talking about another company that was like that we're talking about intel no i'm sure i was i'm sure i was going somewhere with this uh oh well nothing i can nothing i can do about it at this point what topic were we even on i don't even know i was like eating jerky yeah and. And then, oh right! The collab! Okay. Okay. So I actually got to meet for the first time Mr. Grimms

Shroud Corey, I'm gonna call him CoreyOW because that's his Twitter handle. I can't just call him Corey. Like he's one of the only pro gamers I'm aware of whose handle is just his first name. People are like, where'd you get your handle? I was born with it, yo.

Yeah. Yeah. You punk. Anyway, really cool video. So this is a follow-up. Did you watch the video that we did with Gav from Slow Mo Guys? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

So this time... I actually really liked it. Instead of talking about 240 hertz versus 60 hertz, we've got 60, 144, and 240. Because a lot of people sort of feel like from 60 to 120 or 144 was a big jump. And then after that, it's kind of gravy. But they haven't quantified it. Do you want to know something that I have never publicly admitted? And I hate to admit, but I'm just going to be honest with myself and everyone here.

I have a really high fresh rate monitor now. You're running it at 60, aren't you? No, no, no, no, no. For sure, no. And I feel like I'm not great, but I feel like I'm pretty solid at shooter games in general. I don't notice that big of a difference. Okay, so I'm really glad you brought that up. So, whether you...

Which makes me so sad inside, but I don't think I do. Whether you feel like it or whether you notice it, have you sought to quantify the difference? A little bit, but not... You can't quantify a little bit. You have to quantify the difference. A little bit, but not... You can't quantify a little bit. You have to quantify. I've switched back and forth between the two and tried to measure how well I'm doing,

but I don't have the high-speed cameras. I haven't gone that far. So we went that far. High-speed cameras, five different test scenarios. So we started... Oh, and also, instead of just looking at monitor refresh rate this time, because that doesn't really tell the whole story because you can have the game running at very high FPS on a lower refresh rate monitor, and you're actually getting a more up-to-date

frame when it does refresh, right? So what we did instead was we actually, this is hilarious. We had an NVIDIA sponsored video where the only handicap to the systems was like crap tier GPUs on the lower end ones. So we run at 60 hertz, 60 FPS by running a very old graphics card. Yeah. 144 hertz, 150, 180 FPS. And actually it wasn't quite 60 FPS. It was like 70, 75. And then we've got our 240 hertz, like 250 to 300 FPS.

We've got three different machines. So we're really looking at the gaming experience at different frame rates. So we have like well-rounded systems. And I insisted that all the systems had 9900Ks. You're right, because you're trying to, yeah. Because I didn't want people to watch the video and think, oh, well, you know,

of course NVIDIA would, you know, bottleneck the systems with Intel CPUs instead of their own GPUs. I was like, no, you need to just put, find the oldest graphics card you can in your office, let's find one that will run these games at only like 60, 75 FPS. So you're getting this really different experience

if you were to build a more balanced rig around 60, 144, or 244 hertz, or 244 FPS targets. Or 244, excuse me, 240 FPS targets. Then we did five different tests so first was pure reaction time okay so it's like a synthetic test the light turns green you click as fast as you can and my brain's telling me shroud was insane at that really because the what i've seen of him how many spoilers how many spoilers do you guys want? You guys want some spoilers?

There is so much information in this video. I'm really excited for it. I was talking to David. You know David's an avid gamer, right? Yeah. So I was talking to David about it. He's like, I'm going to watch this video multiple times. I already know.

Yeah, I probably will too. Because even though I was here, there's going to be so much information. You're going to have to watch it multiple times. And time you're going to get you're going to pick up something that you missed last time so no matter what no matter what i spoil there's going to be oh i've got people saying no spoilers in the chat i bet that's a pretty unpopular i'm i'm super interested i want to know whatever because like I yeah people want it. Okay, here we go Shrouds reaction times on average no faster than mine. Really? Really?

Wow, yep raw reaction times Okay, we're mmm. I don't know how much I want to ask Were you guys at like the top? No, I Don't know anything anymore. Everything's over. Because you've got to remember, I'm over the hill. I'm 33, yo. Yeah.

I don't have young guy synapse firing anymore. But you've always been pretty quick. Yeah, but he's only, like, 25. Like, theoretically. Yeah. So, okay, test number two. Okay. This is a reaction time test, but real world.

So you know the classic Dust 2 double doors sniper shot? Yes, yep. Okay, so you're a terrorist. You get the AWP down the double doors, and the CTs try to get over to bomb site B, and you take one out. All of a sudden, 5v4. Great strat. All right.

So, the test is, at 60 FPS, 144 FPS, and 240 FPS, what percentage of those shots can you hit? Okay. So, you might think that's the same test. As soon as you see a guy, you hit okay so you might think that's the same test as soon as you see a guy you hit him but we got dramatically different results in terms of people's reaction times interesting interesting indeed yeah because like i think so when i hook up a higher refresh rate monitor i can even tell on like the desktop that things feel a little better Hold on. This is great. People are like I'm 33 to 33 is young People get so if I had a conversation with someone about this the other day people get so offended when you use old too early So let me let me let me just don't let me drop a little knowledge bomb on you guys

By the time you're over 30, you are already enough slower than young guys that it is very difficult to be competitive as a pro gamer. Like, I'm sorry, aging is a thing. And I would be old for a pro gamer. I'm like in the twilight years of my career and I better be making up for it by giving great calls to my teammates and being more like a pro gamer. I'm like in the twilight years of my career and I better be making up for it by giving great calls to my teammates and being more like a team coordinator.

I was just going to say, there's a reason why, and not everyone, and there's going to be exceptions to this, whatever, but there's a reason why a significant amount of older FPS players get more tactical.

Absolutely. And less twitchy. Absolutely. There's an absolute reason why. And you can still be super effective. I'm sure can play i i know there's a there's old videos of a like definite grandfather playing a battlefield game and just wrecking people but it's because if you watch he wasn't like in close quarters combat like ninja jumping people yeah he. He was just, he had extreme knowledge of the game, played all day, had really good tactics, used like different troops to make sure, I don't know.

It was really cool to watch and he did really well. But it's just a different type of gameplay. Yeah, 25 to 28, biological peak of the embodied, so it depends. There's cognitive peak, there's physical peak, they're not all in the same spot. anyway um test number three okay um flick aiming test yeah so oh man this one's really hard so basically you've got uh we're using the cre because we had decided on all of our tests before some recent events went down okay so

we're using the cre okay um you've got point four or five of a second To flick over and hit a target You get 60 seconds and 30 targets How many of those do you think you could hit in a box about this big You have point four or45 of a second to move and accurately hit it i don't like i don't feel like i would be that great because i feel like i i think that one of the reasons why i'm i think i'm definitely above average in shooter games but not great and i think the reason why i've been able to hold that for a long time is because i

accepted a long time ago that I'm already in the old guy category and I need to be more tactical got it I play shooter games with uh Joe and he is not in the old guy category and it's super flicky and twitchy and wrecks people and I just sit back and make sure he knows where they all are and I do a little bit of damage to them before they show up so it's even easier and I just like I know my role i support and i make sure everything's gonna be okay know your role and shut your mouth yeah i don't know whatever except unless your role is to open your mouth and make calls then yeah well yeah you know yeah i don't but like so i don't think i would do that great i think i would do okay but not that great so that test was where

people's skill in gaming really started to come in because the other ones were more reaction time. Yeah. Test number four is where you got to kind of bring it all together. So it's a custom map that was actually tuned, not created for, but tuned for this event. Really cool. We got a lot of really great support. There's going to be shout-outs in the video. But it's Bombsite B Defense in Counter-Strike GO, and it's kind of a pop-up shooting gallery. So terrorists just... Dust 2?

Yeah, Dust 2. So terrorists just start popping in and strafing around and moving around, and you've got to kill 15 of them as fast as you can. So I will say that our Overwatch pro, so we had a pro gamer there, 20 years old. Our Overwatch pro absolutely destroyed the flick aiming test. Unbelievable. Hopefully this isn't too much of a spoiler, on one run he hit 28 out of 30 targets

.45 seconds oh man and his reaction time even when he hit a similar number of targets to someone else on a run his reaction time was so much faster just unbelievable anyway

I hate him but when it came to bombsite B defense Unbelievable. Anyway, I hate him. But when it came to bombsite B defense, Shroud was untouchable. Because even though his reactions were old man Linus slow, he just had that game sense and that flow. And his aim and his ability to track is insane. Like, just, you watch him in,

people call him the human aim bot all the time because you watch him in different scenarios, and someone will be jumping around and moving and all this kind of stuff, and it's always exactly flowing with them. I've seen people accuse him of cheating, and I think there's going to be a lot less of that after people watch this video. Yeah, yeah. i watched a video a whole like produced relatively good video of some guy accusing him of cheating just because like he plays so many different games he plays

them so early you know he's not but i want to see like where is this mindset coming from and it's pretty insane there's many clips of him that are like what it shouldn't be possible yeah like so i'm like okay but yeah he's just he's insane so i thought he'd do good at some point it's good to hear and then there was a fifth bonus test that only some people did that was a head-to-head uh opping each other down a hallway okay um i i tried I tried. Did you get one? I don't remember if I got any kills. I might have gotten one on Mike.

Okay. One or two, maybe. Okay. But I might have had a hardware advantage when I got him. Okay. That's interesting, too, though. Yeah. That's actually very interesting. Well, that's part of the test, isn't it?

Yeah. Yeah. So, great collab. That's interesting too though. Yeah, that's actually very well. That's part of the test. Yeah. Yeah, so Great great collab. I'm really looking forward to releasing that video for you guys I really think if you guys can setting that up at LTX would be super cool that one legitimately not the server one You know what's really cool Is that all the tests are gonna be publicly available by the time the video goes up? And we're gonna have them linked under the video so you can go on your own You can do all the tests so you can go on your own rig you can do all

the tests and you can compare to our results neat that's very cool yeah now i can see if it actually matters that i bought a nice monitor yeah i don't know because yeah i can tell i can feel that it's higher refresh rate but i don't necessarily know if it's actually impacting my kills right especially because of how i play exactly i'm sitting back and making more calls and doing all that kind of stuff all right uh last topic google unveils the pixel 4 pixel book go new pixel buds nest mini read home mini 2 and nest wi-fi routers and points uh pixel 4's big feature is the project solely based motion sense so the radar that's built into the front of the phone.

90-hertz display, Snapdragon 855, 6 gigs of RAM, extra zoom lens on the back, $799 and $899 for the 4 XL. Riley was hoping they had finger-twiddling gestures for Soli, but they probably won't because life is pain. Thank you for that note, presumably James. Pixelbook Go, 13- inch, 1080p display, magnesium shell, 13 millimeters thick, under two pounds, starts at 649 with a core M3,

eight gigs of RAM and 64 gigs of storage. The only question is, why does Google keep making these? Pixel Buds, they use beamforming mics and accelerometers to detect audio through the jawbone. Calls should be super clear. On-device touch controls and voice input will be $179 when they launch in 2020. Why is Google announcing this now?

The Nest Mini is a home mini too. It's got a wall mount, a third microphone, and deeper bass, but is otherwise basically the same thing. And finally, Nest Wi-Fi is made up of a router, no real interesting features, and a point, which serves as a mesh unit, but also is essentially a Nest Mini,

with Hey Google support and a speaker built in. 269 for a, shut up Google, a router and a point together. So there you go. Stay tuned for my Pixel 4, no, no, I'm not talking to you right now. So I've been on a kick for a while of having the last generation of Pixel phones.

Yeah. And honestly, with how they've launched every Pixel phone, I think it's probably not a bad idea because you'll probably have a way better experience if you just buy the older one. But, I might just hold out on this one until the 4 is like mature. And then you just never have to experience

that weird notch of history. Yep. Oh, that's pretty good. That's pretty good. But yeah, I feel like I would just hold it. It's also still fine. Battery life is still okay. And I could always just get it popped open

and get a new battery in it, really. Performance wise, I mean, it does emails great. So I think I'm okay. So I don't do. The only real upgrade right now in my opinion is a fold yeah yeah that would be yeah but then that's too expensive so like i'm not going to do that either so but i agree i think that would be the second you open an email was mind-blowing yeah that would be fantastic view in gmail yeah so you can like see your emails and also read preview them

that's super cool but i'm not going to spend that much on a phone so I don't know One more thing yes, I think we should go over this right games. Yes for Blizzard's crown. This is actually nuts They announced so many things people have been talking for years about why are they even called Riot Games because they only have one game Yeah, just because League of Legends games that looks like's going to change because there's tons of stuff now. So this is like Overwatch meets Rainbow Six Siege, apparently? A lot of people have been making those comparisons. They are apparently trying to have it more compared against Counter-Strike GO. Interesting.

So I have a feeling it's going to be a little bit more decisive type of kills. interesting so i have a feeling it's going to be a little bit more decisive type of kills um that looks a lot like overwatch not counter-strike go that guy just got resurrected that doesn't work in counter-strike i don't necessarily know why they want that comparison yeah um but they wow yeah okay that doesn't that looks pretty over that looks extremely overwatchy riot i hadn't even seen that yet. I was trying to defend you. Where is that even coming from? Okay. They're also announcing a mobile game called Wild Rift.

One moment, please. Working on it. Yeah. Blah, blah, blah. Yes, yes, yes. 41 seconds. Wild Rift. 41?

There we go. Oh, wow. I nailed it. Wait, really? I love how all mobile games they they show real life they don't show the mobile game because mobile games suck um you kidding me so is it just league of legends mobile it looks it really looks like it's league of legends mobile okay okay sounds good um fighting game project l this is just like a polygon link,

so I don't think we have a video like we did for the last two. But it looks like it's using... Looks like a fighting game. League of Legends characters in a fighting game. Neat. That's super hard to do in 2019. Thanks, guys. A top-down MMO called project f you might be

noticing a theme to the names for these uh is this the one that'll never make it and then we get to pay respects project f in chat um and then a card game called legends of runeterra it seems like they're just taking like their their ip of characters yeah and just like how many games can we how much lore can we create yeah also an animated series which is cool and lol esports manager which i want to see if i was right about this because i have never clicked on this before build your legends i think it is yep yep so this is like fifa soccer manager but for fifa football manager whatever but for FIFA football manager, whatever. But all the players pose like this. Actually.

Actually, the ones in that picture. Oddly enough, they all have their arms straight down. That's really weird. But the eSports thing is to 100%. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. So that's actually kind of interesting. I have a feeling that'll do really well.

So, yeah. Thanks for watching, guys. See you later. They're entirely actually kind of interesting. I have a feeling that'll do really well. So, yeah. Thanks for watching, guys. See you later. They're entirely owned by Tencent, so they're trying to just, you know, own the whole world. Bye. Bye. Bye.

Apparently missing a battle royale is... Civilization was a battle royale is uh... Civilization was a battle royale. Yeah, it's kind of horrible.