The WAN Show - AMD Is Copying The Worst Thing About Intel - WAN Show May 31, 2024

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The WAN Show. We've got a great show lined up for you guys today. Our big headline topic is, of course, that AMD's numbers are bigger than Intel's. Therefore, their products are better but amd why do you have to follow intel's naming scheme it's the worst thing their company does and intel has done some pretty terrible stuff in other news this week there is of course the verdict in the big big court case i'm talking of course about oh dang it i lost it here it is uh uh yes bungee bungee winning a decision against cheat sellers so that's pretty exciting uh what else we got luke oh boy So that's pretty exciting. What else we got, Luke?

Oh, boy, this delay. Google had a leak of a document, 2,500 pages of internal documents that detail the inner workings of Google search. And it's a little interesting. But don't look at it. They've said in the past. Don't look at it. Yeah, don't worry about it.

Don't worry about it. It's not important. It might be out of date. It might be out of date, even though we said things in the past that contradict it. There's a lot of stuff that they've said in the past. Don't look at it. Yeah. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. It's not important. It might be out of date. It might be out of date. Even though we said things in the past that contradicted it, it might be out of date. Also, Valve says you can't put your games in your will. Yeah, what the heck? All your games die. today's show is brought to you by rocket money ag1 and ridge along with our chair partner secret lab

why don't we jump right into our big topic today and that is of course that no door accord apparently just had a daughter in full plane chat okay sorry sorry sorry i'll move on i'll move on amd's numbers are bigger than intel's according to multiple sources and leaks amd has decided to rename their upcoming Ryzen 8050-9050 APUs in order to insert AI in the name, resulting in the Ryzen AI 100 series. Okay, this I believe we already talked about. Ridiculous, obnoxious. I don't think anybody looked at Intel's core ultra-naming scheme and went, wow, that sure makes it easier to understand what your product

line is and i just i can't really wrap my brain around this because on the one hand you look at a sort of misleading or confusing naming scheme and you go oh well that makes sense it's so that they can sell you something not as good and make it sound good like something you would want. But when it's just a random mumble jumble of numbers and letters, how the f*** am I supposed to know that I would want any of it? I don't really understand what they're trying to achieve here. So, naturally, AMD followed suit with this supposed Ryzen AI 100 series. No wait, it gets better more recent leaks indicate that amd has again internally rebranded these chips this time to ryzen ai 300 series so that

they will not appear less numerically advanced than intel's core ultra 200 series which is following the core ultra 100 series how can i just say this amd at some point you know you got the market share you've got the performance you've got the mind share man you guys have got the engineering know-how at some point you've got to respect yourself at some point you've got to stop just calling your product intel's naming scheme plus right it goes all the way back to the pr or the performance rating system from back in what that would have been late 90s early 2000s somewhere in that time frame when amd had already abandoned the gigahertz race they had recognized that chasing more and more gigahertz was not the solution to gaining better performance and better efficiency and so it started out kind

of valid enough right where they were saying look our processor doesn't run at the same frequency but we're going to have this pr rating system that's going to be pretty much what intel would have run at that kind of frequency but like better so they put plus at the end and then amd got kind of loosey-goosey with the performance rating plus towards the end of the Athlon XP days in particular, where you could buy a 3200 plus, but, well, here, let me put it this way. They released a 3200 plus Athlon 64 product, okay? So, that was their next generation K8 compared to the K7 they released a 3200 plus that absolutely bulldozed the original athlon xp 3200 plus it wasn't even close okay so amd knew i'm note i don't even have to bring an intel chip into the comparison amd clearly knew that uh if this is 3200 plus this can't be and they've pulled this kind of bullshit time and

time and time again man i'm trying to think of uh i'm trying to think of one of the ones recently where they they changed the naming of their chipset so that um so that when intel released their new chipset it would be it would be the same number or something like that. Guys, let me know in the chat. Let me know which one it was. I'm trying to remember. Yeah, hit me with that. X370 versus Z370. Yeah, that might have been one of them.

The point is, they've done this over and over and over again. It is so obnoxious. Just be your own company with your own product line communicate your own value add and stop trying to confuse consumers we understand why you're doing it you want to make your generation of product seem like it's a generation ahead of intel but this is such a stupid game. And if you play it, you're just going to win stupid prizes.

Because now what's... Oh man, I'm trying to wrap my head. So what? So Intel's going to skip a generation now and then they're going to have 400 and then AMD's just going to have what? Odd numbers? And Intel's going to have even numbers? No one's going to be able to understand

what they're buying. I hate it. They're going to end up changing naming schemes entirely because Intel's not going to be happy with being leapfrogged all the time. So they're going to have to change... Which I'm completely for, honestly, because I've never liked the core branding.

The core... Man, the fact that... I think the Ryzen 5, Ryzen 7 stuff was good. Well, yeah, but that was just copying Intel too. Like, tell me. Fair enough. Tell me something AMD has done, branding-wise, that has been an original thought in the last five years.

Give me something. Five years? Yeah, no, I got nothing. I got nothing. I was like, I was trying to dig deep and be like, I think there's some ideas there, but no. No. You know what?

Okay. NH4 by 4 Tracker says X3D. Yeah, I love that. It's so clear. AMD had an engineering advantage. Their 3D V cache, they had an engineering advantage, and they put that in the product name. They clearly communicated the value add

of 3DV cache, which is that it benefits gaming and certain applications, and they put it in the product name. I love it! That's how you name a product! You tell us what the f*** it is! Okay, okay.

Hit me with a couple other ones. Now Threadripper's not with them the last five years, yo. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. I thought X3D was older too, but I appear to be wrong. Yeah, no, X3D is pretty recent. Okay.

Yep. Yeah, that's about it cool um all right ridiculous anywho uh yeah i hate it and apparently oh my god apparently they're skipping a number on the next motherboard chipset going straight from x670 to x870 which is most likely to launch at this year's computex which is also going to see the debut of intel's z890 it is not good for consumers number that and it's not good for consumers to see very similar numbers on the shelf when they are shopping for a product especially when now even physically they don't appear that different like the socket in the middle of the motherboard kind of looks the same to the layperson just have a clear numbering and naming scheme of your own all right that's all i really want

to say about that let's move move on to our next topic. What do you want to talk about, Luke? What do we got? Google search doc is real. Let's do that. Google has confirmed the authenticity of a 2,500 page leaked internal document detailing the inner workings of Google search.

A Google representative warned against making inaccurate assumptions based about, sorry, about search based out of, out of, oh, wow, I really. You doing okay? You jet lag, buddy? Are you jet lag? Inaccurate. I've been in the woods for a few days, so I haven't looked at a computer screen in like four days. Making inaccurate assumptions about search based on out of context, outdated, Making inaccurate assumptions about search based on out of context, outdated or incomplete information. Likely because many marketing and SEO experts have concluded that the documents directly contradict past public statements by Google representatives about how search works. Google employees have previously denied that search uses click-centric metrics to determine page rankings, that it does not

consider subdomains separately from domains, and that it doesn't penalize new websites. But these claims are all directly contradicted by these technical API documents. Further, SparkToro founder and marketing expert Rand Fishkin says that the documents show a clear pattern of Google search increasingly prioritizing powerful brands over all else, even when smaller sites and companies are more authoritative, trustworthy, and relevant, which is something that we've been talking about for a while now. And even I think we had a topic on WAN from House Fresh about a month ago, a few weeks ago, about this exact problem. And now we see it in technical documents. And they can say whatever they want. They confirm the authenticity of the documents.

So yeah, sure, maybe it's out of dated. Sure, it doesn't feel like it. Maybe it's gotten worse. Maybe that's the out of dated part. I'm not sure. I mean, it doesn't matter how out of dated it is if it's contemporary, right? Like if it is from the same time that they

issued these denials that they are 100 that they're yeah that they're determining page rankings in these manners um i think it's been very clear to anyone who's ever talked to a google representative that they are not transparent uh about how their algorithms. And they will hide behind excuses like, oh, well, you know, we don't know. It's a black box. We're not sure. No. But the reality of it is that I have personally had experiences with Google staff. I mean, obviously, most of my experiences with YouTube, not with Google search. But I have personally had experiences with Google staff where I've basically said, hey, you guys tuned tuned something here's what i think you tuned and they're like no no no no no no no no no no no no and then six months a year later i go hey you know about that experiment a

year ago i see you guys have kind of walked it back and they're like yeah it was kind of tuned too far for x i I'm like, right. So yeah, you never like acknowledged it to me at the time. But if I just pretend that I knew about it, then no problem. And to be clear, these were not, it's not as black and white either as just an engineer going in and turning a dial, right? These are gigantic platforms so any experiment that they run would never be site-wide these days i mean you'll see this in

things like the rollout of the new layout for example where a small handful of people see it and then more people see it and then they gather feedback and they gather user metrics and then and then they roll it a little further a little further and then they make some tweaks and then you roll it out a little further so it's not usually as simple as just oh yeah we want to be able to respond better this the time that i noticed this in particular was uh when tiktok was really on the rise it's what like five six years ago seven i don't know it would have been a number of years ago and it was kind of in the in the hot knife through object phase of youtube where from what i could tell it was basically impossible to break out if you were anything other than how many m&ms you can flush down the f***ing toilet right like it was just just viral pablum wall to wall as far as the eye could see and i was like hey i understand

that you guys are up against a platform that is very very on the ball very trendy but you guys got to make sure that youtube doesn't lose its soul that youtube doesn't forget what it is which is quality content which is elevating authoritative voices that are going to provide uh top tier entertainment or education or whatever the case may be and obviously youtube is full of garbage as well but in terms of what they were going out of their way to promote i always felt that it was evergreen content that has a lasting value. I don't think that they've stayed true to that value. I don't think they've stayed true to that mission. I think that things are falling off. But I don't really have any,

I haven't really seen a stark change, like a sudden change. So I don't really have any evidence to go by these days. But it's pretty clear from these leaked google search documents that they absolutely do know what they're doing at least to a degree and they absolutely are not transparent about what exactly they are changing this is a really good comment from low universe over on flow plane chat youtube is the new tv uh yeah we attended a uh like a creator workshop recently and apparently tv and we can see this in our metrics as well tv usage for youtube is growing like crazy right now and that's something that you may see reflected in changes to

our content over the next little while because we've got to make sure that we're capturing that i mean we we've made little changes um to respond to platform development over the years like it's funny how few people bring it up these days compared to when we first did it but when mobile started to overtake desktop use and that was a lot of years ago at this point, but when mobile started to overtake desktop use, and especially as mobile devices started to abandon the 16 by 9 standard aspect ratio, we actually changed the aspect ratio of our videos. So it's not whatever it would have been like 18 and a half by nine or whatever was kind of becoming the standard. I forget exactly what it was, but it was a little, a little bit wider, right? It was not that, but it also wasn't 16 by nine. We kind of split the difference so that you end up with small black bars or small black bars, uh, vertically. So letterboxing

on the desktop and small black bars on the side so pillar boxing on a mobile device that has a taller wider screen um yeah so it's it's pretty darn good on the iphone it's pretty darn good on the tv and and on your desktop but it's not really it's not really perfect for anything but you know that's something oh man maybe this should be a man this should be a conversation with youtube it'd be kind of cool for us to be able to just build in safeties and what are they called dan you come from a production background the safe safe zones or keep outs or uh yeah for for what for videos and things yeah yeah what are they called again yeah safe zones safe zones yeah so if we could just upload in like almost like a square just like

upload in a square aspect ratio and then just make sure all the content is within all the different safe zones and then it could just auto crop that would actually be kind of sick that's very common yeah i have uh i have those for wanshow and all sorts of stuff yeah really how do you do that on wanshow where we've got like text at the bottom oh all right he just put it up on my preview thing well that's cool no he showed everybody I think yeah everybody can see that all right he showed me but it cuts off the logo that logo was designed by the one and only Ed Zoliago how dare you yeah that's why we can't put anything over there oh I mean the WAN

safe safe zone the WAN banner acts as its own safe zone. Way to go, Dan. Because it's on all the time. Whatever. Way to be. Whatever. Just disconnect again, Luke. I don't care.

All right. What's next, Dan? We're going to have to keep things moving pretty quick because poor Luke. It's the morning there. Well, let's get a couple's the morning there. And well, let's get a couple of merch messages in. And he was in the woods or something. I don't know what the fuck he's talking about.

It sounds like a good vacation. Yeah, sure. I got a couple of merch messages. I should explain. I should explain how they work. Then also we have a very exciting announcement for LTT store this week. We are launching.

Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Oh, oh, oh, you got me. exciting announcement for LTT Store this week. We are launching... Dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun! Oh, oh, oh, you got me?

We are launching the Scribe Driver. Hey, there we go. Oh, hold on, see if I can kind of catch that. Ooh, the Scribe Driver. It's a bolt-action stainless steel pen available in, I believe, two different colorways. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. A bolt action stainless steel pen that is made out of upcycled screwdriver shafts.

So if you guys remember, I was talking about how our original supplier for the screwdrivers, there's the gold accented one, and then, oh, sorry, that's the silver accented one. And there's the brass accented one. So if you guys remember me talking about this before, our original supplier that was supposed to build our screwdriver shafts and ratchet assemblies screwed up, well, got acquired, and then deprioritized their work and ended up taking forever and giving us extremely low quality output. And one of the things that they built for us without ever getting the go-ahead to actually build them, because we didn't approve the final samples, but they built for us 100,000 screwdriver shafts.

And they basically were like, well, we made them, so you're not getting a refund. And we said, okay, well well if we're paying for them then you better darn well deliver them to us so we got pallets of screwdriver shafts that um honestly we couldn't use in any other way oh oh i should go to the luke oh oh oh oh boy oh yeah there we go uh hey okay there there's a there we go uh yeah so anyway so we got these pallets of screwdriver shafts and if you guys are good at time then you'll know that we've probably had them for a hot minute at this point because we got these around the time that we were launching the original screwdriver so anyway we

looked at them and we kind of went well it would be really cool if we could do something with these and the original plan was to just melt them down and turn them into something like i i had kind of pitched uh what about a what about a fail wrench um and it's just like a normal wrench there's nothing special about it but it's just made of failed screwdriver shafts or something like that just trying to trying to get something out of it and then we kicked around a bunch of ideas and eventually i forget who pitched it um it must have been sebastian because this is absolutely his handiwork but he took one of the shafts and you can actually see this one has quite a bit more of a of a screwdriver shape to it still there you go no no it's good dan uh it's got more of a screwdriver shape to it

it hasn't been um it hasn't been uh lathed down to to make it here here we go here's the final profile there you go see like that ah cool uh so it's got more of a screwdriver shape to it and then he just like frankensteined a regular pen top onto it and was like fail pen i'm like whoa that's so cool so then in ltt store fashion instead of just going for something basic we spent a bloody year developing a legitimately actually really great bolt action pen it's got a really nice feel great little fidget toy um it's compatible with hold on hold on i forget basically what i told them is look make sure it's whatever like the good one is that oh linus laptop oh it's unplugged well there's your problem right there i was basically like look make sure it's

whatever the good one is that is broadly available so people aren't locked into whatever and so that we don't have to deal with dum-dums on reddit that talk about how oh the ink quality is bad literally someone already posted that i'm just gonna get a bick pen because the ink quality of the scribe driver is not even good. What are you even talking about? A, you don't know. And B, you can put in any hold on, hold on, let me find it. Any Parker G2 refill.

There are so many options. You can put in basically anything you want. So, we didn't want to waste... I have a bit of a question here. Yeah, go ahead. If you can scroll through the photos and yeah yeah yeah where it's in like a pen holder have they been killing it on the product photos lately or what the photos look fantastic yeah i will also give them that absolutely i

assume this is maria uh yeah what can i do for you keep scrolling i'm they see me scrolling find the one where it's where it's mounted in a bag in a orange and black like ltd backpack oh i'm i'm working on it oh yeah oh yeah laser laser let's go uh oh yeah it's it's like two down or something you're almost there uh that's tech sack oh okay all right i have my backpack here and i was like where is that and i was like is this is this a leak is it we leak a bag no okay no no it's a tech sack uh oh yeah showing the bolt action gotta love it anyway really oh sorry it's electrical discharge machined sorry not laser electrical discharge machine man we spent so much time on like how to make the logo i i saw laser versions i saw uh actual like machined versions um yeah we ended up settling on that so yeah quality sustainably built product uh it's 30 bucks which for these kinds of pens actually pretty competitive

and it's a really it's a really great pen so i hope you guys uh hope you guys enjoy it and okay dan i'm oh yeah right i'm explaining merch messages so if you want to interact with the show uh don't don't do a super chat or a twitch bit or whatever do a merch message all you got to do is go to ltt store go to the cart and if you got something in your cart and we're live you can go ahead and leave a merch message and if you check out it'll go to producer dan there he is who will reply to it or pop it up down here on the bottom of the screen or forward it to someone internally who can respond to it for you or he will send it to me and luke who will address it as a merch message dan do you want to show the folks how it works yeah sure i'm still going through

all of them they seem to really really like pens uh yeah before we even talked about it on wan show we had sold hundreds of them today so that's good because we've got a hundred thousand shafts now i believe each pen is made of two shafts, I want to say. I don't remember. So I'm not going to say anything. Oh, that's something you'll notice, by the way. Speaking of which. There might be slight color mismatches between the two.

It's an upcycled product. Guys, take it for what it is. It's a unique piece of LTT history. The time that Linus got f***ing shafted. There it is right there speaking of which is this a forced limited edition product then like once you sell the hundred thousand would we would we find a way to continue making them or um is that it i don't know i mean we haven't numbered them or anything like that um we've kind of kicked it around i

mean right now we're more concerned with developing other fail products than we are with selling a hundred thousand pens i mean with that said i haven't looked at the sales numbers since um since we started the shows so you never know now that we've actually formally announced it things might go a little different so we'll see also i want to address this because i've heard a few people comment on it uh he's he's not like intentionally talking over me there's there's i think over half a second of delay between us and that makes it actually ridiculously hard to communicate so it is what it is yeah i'm erring on the side i'm trying to time sorry i was just gonna say i'm i'm erring on the side of trying to fill voids um and trying to leave only very obvious gaps because not only

is luke a little bit delayed in terms of his internet connection but his brain seems to be pretty slow today so uh don't worry i'm here to carry it for you bro i i'm also trying to time when i talk for just before linus is done talking so that the delay isn't as noticeable for the stream but that could be like difficult to do so i don't know it is what it is yeah we're gonna do our best with it guys we're gonna do our best with it all right uh why don't you hit me with a couple merch messages oh good lord don't look at that it's fine i'll get through it uh uh let's see hey lld if south park were to parody you and ltt like they did with logan paul and lizzo how do you think they'd portray you what kind of wild storyline do you imagine they'd come up with oh man they've already

done the episode that i would want to be in the one where they where they go to california and kyle unplugs and plugs back in the giant lynx's wrt wireless router um if so there is no south park episode that i would belong in but i would i would love to be the you know techie uh canadian with my head all the hey buddy um and and somehow i'm involved in that storyline but other than that i i have no i have no idea okay and what else i got here linus you work a lot do you ever wish you had more time to peru pursue hobbies and interests you have outside of work i mean that's the thing about making your hobby your job i i kind of do my hobby every day to the point where sometimes i get kind

of sick of it and i need other hobbies i have kids which is kind of a big hobby um that was that was part of that conversation i think yvonne and i talked about that a couple weeks ago when she was on the show but that was part of that conversation that we had where it was like, look, you know, we don't, she was basically upset because she was like, you hear about couples that grow apart, you know, their, their kids move out and, and, and all this stuff happens and they basically look at each other and they go, who even are you? Like, I don't know you anymore. You know, what, what do we do together?

And I kind of went, well, we do raising kids together. We do building a company together we do all of these things i think we just need a a perspective adjustment so that we can recognize raising kids as our hobby i mean people absolutely treat having dogs as a hobby like taking care of their dogs and and and training them and and feeding them and grooming them and like all these things it's like well what f**king difference is it they're just really smart dogs and eventually they move out it's great it has challenges but uh yeah to me it's to me it's just a perspective thing right and so i have hobbies have hobbies. My hobbies are my job. My hobbies are my kids. I'm painting my motorbike right now. I game, you know, when I find time.

I like setting things up, you know, I like, I find cable managing and organizing, like kind of relaxing. I was never that kind of person when I was young, when I was a kid. I was the kid that you couldn't walk across the floor without breaking something because all of my belongings were just strewn across it. And like, I was the teenager with like all the plates and dishes in my room that needed to be taken up to the kitchen and giant batches to be cleaned, hopefully by someone else if they don't see me putting them all here. Like I was always that kind of person but i think having having a team um has made me really appreciate the importance of organization and value that to the point where i'll spend a saturday afternoon like one of my few times legitimately to myself just like organizing my garage i complete an embarrassingly small number of projects in my garage,

but I spend probably more time than I do working on projects, just like organizing it and going, this is a space I can control. Everything is where it's supposed to be. Everything is fine. Sure, we can do another topic. Luke, do you want to you know why don't i read a topic uh oh no no we're not i got it i got it i got it okay you know the chance put me in coach which one double whichever one you want you You could do Scrapyard Wars is back. Yeah, let me do that.

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on there, we might be able to buy them from you. Keep in mind that you'll be listing it for real, so don't try to sell like a 4090 for a dollar so that I can win or Linus can win or something, because someone else might just buy it. And also keep an eye on java.gg because they're going to be launching a massive giveaway to celebrate the return of Scrapyard Wars. I can't really tell you guys anything about what the, what the gimmick will be this time. But what I will say is that it will be both back to roots classic awesome head to head and also you won't see it coming from a mile away i don't even know what it is yeah no i'm really excited about it there's no competitive advantage

for me knowing and you not knowing it's just fun oh no i'm not yeah it's fine pure fun listen listen this guy listen to the confidence yeah whatever i'm just gonna extend my winning streak you know what you luke let's start the trash talk now i want the stare down i want the stare down based on how you did that price guessing uh video we did together i don't know i might i might i might have a chance still i've been out of it for a while though it's going to be interesting once born a cheapskate always a cheapskate yeah it's a it's a good skill it's a good skill hopefully it'll continue to carry me um valve says you can't put your games in your will. A customer support representative from Valve has confirmed

that you cannot bequeath your Steam account as property in your will because Steam accounts and games are non-transferable in the event of death. This means that the Valve team would be unable to provide another person access to your account or to merge its contents with another account, even if that was laid out in a valid will. Account holders can obviously still transfer control of their account simply by giving another person their login information, but who owns this collection of perpetual game licenses would be legally ambiguous.

I think another way to help in this scenario would be to set up one of the the steam family things yeah but that wouldn't stay valid forever because then you'd still because if you didn't log into an account for a certain amount of time i suspect that eventually valve would close the account like if you don't log into a gmail account for five years or whatever they close it i don't know what the number of years is so um your mileage may vary on that but no i would i would be very surprised if they don't eventually close accounts that are just inactive with that said a gmail account um is not full of things that someone paid for right like they wouldn't close a gmail account that's being actively renewed that has like an

extra storage subscription or whatever else so i don't think that's quite a perfect parallel to something like a steam account where yeah it's it's full of paid merchandise i i don't like this in general i think that valve is is a um is a force for good in the gaming industry i think in general valve is a force for good for consumer rights um at least relative to their competition but this is something that i see as a step backward in terms of consumer rights when it comes to games nothing prevents me from bequeathing a retro game collection of snes cartridges for example to uh you know my children or you know my my my friends or colleagues or whoever the case may be dan you can have my super mario rpg okay yay

i'm kidding no no that's that's a cool cart that's sick you know what no forget no forget it no forget no i no no you know what no you're out you're out of the will bequeath me linus all right all right you can have my super mario rpg but yeah so nothing prevented that and while technically I get it, these are digital licenses to use it. These are perpetual licenses to the licensee, which is a person. I don't know. I just think it sucks.

But we're seeing this kind of thing all over the place. So Luke, I don't know if I talked to you about this, but when I spent the four to five years that I spent shopping for somewhere to build a badminton center, that's something that I've been passionate about for a very long time and something that I spent years

trying to find a location for, one of the options that came up was a 99-year lease that was actually in kind of the options that came up was a 99 year lease um that was actually in kind of the the recreation center of of one of the one of the uh municipalities within the lower mainland within the vancouver area and i basically was like okay so how does this work? Because this is just bare land. So do you guys build a building on it? And then, like what, I just sign a lease until my death, and then after I die, someone else is just going to lease it or something?

And, okay, I knew more about how they worked when I was having this conversation, but what I'm laying out right now would be, I think, a pretty reasonable assumption for how something like that works. No, get this. You want to know how it works? You pay them market rate, no discount. You pay them market rate for the land as though you were buying it.

Instead of getting the deed, instead of holding that property as a private property owner, you hold the right to lease it for 99 years or your own lifetime or some combination of which comes first or of the two. And if you're a corporation, for example,

you're a best buyer on Amazon or whatever, then it would be tied to probably the the time and it would be tied to the corporate entity rather than a person but in my case it would probably be a brand new corporation that would be spun up just for this badminton enterprise so and i would probably be along with yvonne the only the shareholder and director so it would basically be tied to our lives so you pay full price and i go okay but like do you guys contribute to the development of a building like this is this is just bare dirt like did you build the building and then i lease it they're like nah you build the building and i was like okay so i buy the land and then i build the building i pay the full cost

for that and then when the lease expires you guys reimburse the asset that you've taken over in some way like the the building cost or something like that to my beneficiary or no no that's ours now and i'm kind of sitting here going what the fuck like i i i'm generally i think that you know a lot of americans would probably see me as a filthy socialist i am i am pro um you know public works um i i am pro tax dollars being invested in in public programs uh swimming pools ice ice rinks, libraries, parks. Man, I love that stuff. That's great. Spend that money.

Let's build it. People should have access to recreation and entertainment. We shouldn't just be seen as walking wallets that pay taxes, right? Like I want services in return for my taxes. All of that stuff. Sure, no problem. But to basically go, okay, yeah, you know what? Private ownership, bad idea. We take it back. No, no, no, no, no.

Yeah. I looked into one of those a while ago when I was shopping for my own place to live and was actually pretty stunned at how bad of a deal it is. It's a pretty wicked deal if you're the one selling it. Yeah. Because you get to sell a property and then your inheritance down the line just get the property anyways,

which is kind of hilarious um i don't know weird so it's um so so anyway i forget where i was going with this oh right um so i am generally pro if you pay for something it should belong to you and you should be able to do whatever you want with it and that should include beyond your own lifespan is it kind of irrational yeah i guess so like i can see that perspective realistically i paid for the game i got all the benefit that i was possibly going to get from it the latest research shows i can't take it with me so what difference does it make i'm not there to you know see my kids enjoy my copy of stardew valley like does it does it really matter could they just buy their own copy probably um but i am i'm torn is what i'm trying to say. And I would like to see, I would like to see Valve do better, but I also would fully understand

if this is an issue that they're basically going to studiously ignore and do absolutely nothing about. I mean, Valve has already done so much to make their licensing terms less of a burden on their users. The fact that you can family share games digitally over the internet compared to what everyone else was pushing for.

Absolute industry changer. Never mind game changer. And I don't think they're going to win that battle again. This time with bequeathing games. I also have no idea what the landscape's going to win that battle again this time with bequeathing games um i also have no idea what the landscape's gonna look like like you know 50 years from now when i drop dead you know hopefully knock on wood right 50 years from now when i drop dead are my kids gonna want to play ano 1800 i suspect the the gaming paradigm is gonna have changed so much like that that's basically like my grandparents

bequeathing me their original atari whatever like the the one with the actual you know paddle controllers and that plays one game that just plays pong i'm sitting here going i mean that's sick and yeah but i'm not gonna play it and this is digital i don't think it should be that's not digital i don't think it should be up to Valve. That's not digital. I don't think it should be up to Valve to decide. And that's fair. That's fair, but... It should be up to Valve. It shouldn't be up to us either, really. Maybe they do find it

interesting. I see it both ways. I definitely see it from both perspectives. Licensing is a complicated thing. And, you know, we've seen time and time again that it's often not down to the publisher platform, the publishing platform. It's often not even down necessarily to the game publisher or to the game developer. Like we've seen games get shut down after 10 years, for example, because they don't have the development

cycles to go and source and integrate new music and there was licensed music that they only had a finite license for man i remember learning about that where we wanted to do that top gun volleyball scene with um with the original music for channel super fun and they were basically like yeah you can buy a a six month license for this amount of money and then you take down the video after i I'm sitting there going, well, that's stupid. Nobody is listening to that song by watching this video over and over again. We're not even playing the whole song.

Like, why do you care if we just have a perpetual license for it? But it's just not how it works. It's a time-limited license. And man, the music licensing industry is gonna be doing some stuff the big rights holders in that industry are acquiring libraries like never before and they are gonna be jacking the prices for any iconic music from big artists it's gonna it's a whole thing um sorry that's a yeah

that's a whole that's a whole rabbit hole anywhowho, what are we supposed to be talking about? I think it's new topic time. Sure. Luke, do you want to pick a topic or do I get to pick a topic this time? I'm going to keep going because I can't do a lot of the back and forth conversation afterwards. So I'll just read out the topics.

Nice. PayPal launches an ad network. PayPal has officially said it will be launching an ad network that will sell ads leveraging, oh no, leveraging the data it collects on the purchase history and spending of its 400 million users. PayPal claims that users will be able to opt out

of their data being used in ad targeting. However, the only way to completely opt out of data users to delete their accounts. This change would also likely affect users of PayPal subsidiaries like Venmo and Honey, and I believe there's more as well, but I'm not surprised Honey's in there. I know that credit card companies sort of do this as well. They sell your data in regards to purchase history. Or at least this is something that happened far in the past. But I suspect this will be a little bit more direct. I'm not sure. Nice. This is like terrible. Yeah, I mean, look, let's be realistic. PayPal was already probably selling this data to other ad networks.

So in terms of your personalized ads that are coming through on the side of the websites you use or while you're waiting for your favorite live stream, or while you're waiting for your favorite live stream to load, you're probably not going to see a difference the only real difference is that paypal is going to be profiting directly rather than by selling to another ad network and i'm about to pitch you a controversial take on this luke take on this luke the ad network space the ad the ad network space actually needs more competition right now oh it is dominated by google and facebook and quite frankly paypal may be one of the worst companies on the planet but they may be a lesser evil. Yeah, I really wish it was pretty much anyone other than PayPal.

But I think that is a decent take. It's effectively a duopoly right now. I just, I don't see PayPal making that space any better. No, I really don't. I was kidding. Yeah, no, it's just going to turn into more of a piece of shit. This is not a good thing. But look, you got to let me have some fun with this.

If we can't laugh at the darkest of times, what do we have left, Luke? You know what they should do? They should make it so that uh paypal already has your payment information so they should just make it so that you to buy the thing in the ad just click on the ad and it just automatically does the entire transaction oh yeah oh yeah bud you just wait clicks now like actually cost you money you just wait and oh what was that buy now pay later platform that was in the news recently that had a scandal because they were like oh yeah we laid off like a ton of our marketing staff and we just use ai for it now i forget what they're called but if paypal owns like a buy now pay later platform or something like that then man not only could you buy something instantly luke you could finance it oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah finance that

toothpaste finance a new f-150 simply by clicking an ad heaven forbid you accidentally click an ad man i have accidentally clicked more ads than i have intentionally clicked by probably several orders of magnitude like i don't know if I have ever intentionally clicked an ad, but I've clicked ads hundreds and hundreds, maybe thousands of times overall, right? Like just you're scrolling on your phone or whatever. Man, you got to imagine, you know, obviously legislation's going to come in. That's going to make it illegal for them to just, you know, one click have you just like buy shit and it arrives at your door. But it's going to take a few years.

And in that few years, it's going to be internet's going to be one hell of a ride. If they could make it so that like, you have to, you know, press a confirm button, but they can do the amazing thing that I love that modern websites are doing, where they'll have buttons load before other page elements, and those page elements will move the buttons. So you go to try to click on something, and then you end up clicking on something that like loads under it. Beautiful. You can just move the confirm button to where the no confirm button is. Perfect. Oh, man. I don't know. I mean, look, our D Google Your Life video actually had some really cool options that I learned about as we were working on that video. Like you can buy,

you can subscribe to search products that you can configure your own page ranking and that use their own indices and that track nothing and target nothing. And I don't think as a member of the tech media that I would ever switch over to it permanently because part of my job is to use things the way that I expect people to use them. But it's tempting, um but it's tempting dude it's tempting like ever since watching that video i've i've been considering when i get back subscribing to a a paid search because i like google search to be honest okay would you pay more because you have a a youtube premium subscription right so that includes youtube music would you pay

double if they just included chrome integrated ad blocking and no no search ads no ads on the internet if they basically were like we'll eat it we'll pay the advertisers that otherwise would have been displayed here like here okay man here this would be what a wild they pay it through yes i would what a wild 180 this would be if they basically created the youtube partner program okay if the whole manifest v3 thing was like a giant 4d chess game where they were like okay we're gonna make ad blocking impossible because we're gonna build our own ad blocking essentially you know kind of like uh kind of like brave right where you can view the ads and earn crypto tokens or whatever except there are no ads to view there are no crypto tokens you just pay for chrome and you just have a completely

clean internet experience but the page providers get paid kind of like the youtube partner program so it's like it's kind of like somewhere in between it's somewhere in between youtube premium and the partner program and brave browser would you pay double for youtube premium if it included that so it goes up to like 30 bucks a month or whatever it would also be really cool if they worked out oh god his connection's bad dan yeah i'm getting a whole 35 kilobits a second okay i'm just gonna jump in with what i think he's trying to say have become subscribed to everyone's just adding any money there you go okay i'm just gonna jump in i think luke is talking about news providers uh money has been flooding out of journalism for the last i mean realistically 10 20 years now and if this was a way for internet giants like google to contribute in a positive way

to rebuilding the newsroom um i agree with what i think luke was saying uh that that would be absolutely incredible i think that was what he was talking about i'm not actually sure while we wait for him to come back i am going okay perfect it's like do i even really need luke to co-host the show not really hey speaking of which um i think we had a topic after you left last week probably not that um i try it was a oh it was a merch message someone sent a merch message for you and i tried to answer it it would be a lot of funny a lot of funny it would be a lot of fun if we could get that time stamp um someone in the chat maybe do you guys want to see if you can find that time

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Well, it's on the store. It's one of the banners, at least. I don't know if... Happy Father's Day. Don't screw it up. Polo shirt, scribe driver, LTT hat pro, and a screwdriver. Hey, there you go. I think it's more of a suggestion.

Yeah, we got some father's day gift ideas oh that's smart whoever came up with this idea good job oh no the jerry rig everything knife is sold out is it though oh yeah yeah it is it's funny i thought i saw some sales for it the other day well maybe we're out of it again it's a yeah yeah popular knife cool all right see you later uh okay uh why don't we jump into our next topic here uh i think i'm gonna pick this one since luke's having some audio issues microsoft says no screenshots at work microsoft edge for business is adding a feature that allows it managers to tag web pages as protected meaning they can't be screenshotted in the edge for business browser

the browser will also be rolling out a feature that allows it admins to see which devices have edge instances that are out of date and force them to restart and install updates our discussion question here is they know we can take a photo of a screen right also didn't they just i have a uh yeah go ahead i have a counter point to this okay photo of the screen thing i don't think this is made for workplaces uh like ours i think this is made for ultra secure workplaces where you might not have a phone on you or be able to have a phone on you okay all right i i suspect this is like for like military stuff like that i don't i don't think this is for like you know your your

random job i now it's being rolled out to probably everybody so yeah a little silly in some situations you're definitely going to have workplaces that are like we are very secure and we take security seriously and you can't take screenshots and edge it's like man i remember when i first learned about snapchat okay someone explained snapchat to me i was like sorry what the f**k is snapchat and they're like yeah it's like it's like messages but they're like they they disappear uh after a while and you can't screenshot them and i'm like so it's whatsapp and they're like no no it's snapchat it's snapchat it's you can't you could like send nudes and people can't and i'm sitting here going are you an idiot like we don't you sure can you sure you sure can um if it shows up on my screen i can decide to

keep it forever no matter what you do like this is this is absolutely ridiculous in most situations this this is hilarious um yeah this is a really good point for my work this is someone in float plane chat we absolutely need to be able to take screenshots and mark them up and send them to people you are definitely going to have a well-intentioned it department roll this thing out based on some boomer boss directive and is going to cause absolute f***ing chaos absolute chaos within the workplace mark my words most non-technical people don't even know about like screenshotting or snipping tools and already just use their phones to take pictures of screens so like who are you even stopping funny thing i uh often take a picture of my screen because it's way more convenient like to send it to someone on what i might not be logged

into whatsapp or facebook messenger like i mean i have like a dozen different messaging apps so depending on who i'm talking to it may be extremely inconvenient for me to get a screenshot from my computer onto my phone because i haven't done the like android windows link thing and i and i just it's so much easier the once every three months that i need to do that to just take a picture of my screen i'm sorry luke i've let you down no i do it i do it on the wan laptop because i'm not logged into any of my personal stuff on that laptop so sending images off of it is a huge pain so i will take a picture of it and then send it to like the infer team or whatever else so it happens there are times where it is a huge pain. So I will take a picture of it and then send it to like the infra team or whatever else. So it happens. There are times where it is better.

It's just, you know, usually not. And to kind of counter that point a little bit, it is set up so that it's specific websites, or so it can be configured so that only specific websites can't be screenshotted. So for example, at NCIX, actually NCIX was hilarious. At NCIX, our internal, our internal system was accessed through a Windows remote desktop connection to one of, you know, many machines. So everyone had assigned machines. And the only browser that we could access that in was IE, which it wasn't that long ago. That was pretty bad already when I was there. And so this is the kind of thing that an organization could try to prevent, you know,

screenshots of your inventory or your sales from being quickly and easily gathered and leaked to a competitor for example with that said we all worked in private offices anyway and nothing would have prevented us from just taking pictures of our screen or anything but hey sure cool anywho you're at a theater yeah what else we got today? Oh, no. Oh, cheat sellers losing court. This is cool. Cheat mod providers lost two major decisions this week.

The first suit was a copyright infringement claim launched by Bungie three years ago against Phoenix Digital, the owners of mod selling site aim junkies while some of bungee's claims were settled in arbitration last year with bungee being awarded 4.3 million a jury has now decided in bungee's favor and awarded them 63 000 that's not a lot of money but these cases have typically ended in settlements in the past and this decision will likely set a legal precedent for future cases in a second case huge deal yes which is a huge deal so we'll get to that in the discussion in a second case a judge has sided with activision and ordered cheat maker engine owning to stop making and selling cheats to turn over its website and to pay Activision $14.4 million in damages as well, excuse me, as well as covering their legal fees. So our discussion question here is, is it good that cheap providers are losing in court. And I think I'll let Luke handle this one.

Yeah, I think it's super good that developers and providers are losing in court. It's honestly ruining a lot of modern gaming, especially in the FPS scene. But it's hitting a lot of other games as well. It's never been worse. You get ads on... I've received ads on YouTube.

I've received ads on Twitter. I've received ads all over the place for cheats. And back in the day, you used to have to be at least somewhat technically competent to know how to make it work. And these days, not even sort of. It's just you launch the program. It runs a GUI on your screen.

It is automatically set up to actively protect you based on screen sharing problems and things like that. So if it detects that you're streaming or something like that, it'll try to hide itself. It's very conveniently built because this is a large industry with a significant customer base at this point in time. And that needs to be shut down if we want to have gaming online be legitimate at all moving forward. So I think it's actually a very important and very big deal that this precedent has been set.

And look, I don't want to come across hypocritical because we've made very similar arguments in the past that the the difficulty of doing something is is not a a valid um or the ease of doing something is not a valid reason to outlaw it for example i made the argument in our coverage of the flipper zero that no uh a security a pen testing tool should not be banned just for its capability of making these kinds of functions available to a lay person right so what's the difference here is is probably what you're asking and from my point of view a pen testing tool has legitimate purposes it has yeah the ability to be used by gray hat and white hat people to achieve better security overall and so the argument that it is it is not okay yes it is allowing some folks that otherwise wouldn't have the technical means to engage in in technological mischief but it is generally broadening the uh understanding i would say of the general public about the threats that

are out there and that were already accessible at a very, very low price of entry for people who want to cause trouble or for people who are realistically doing something a lot more nefarious than changing the numbers on a gas station sign or unlocking people's cars is pretty bad there are definitely bad things that you can do with not just the flipper zero but with these kind of like mainstream uh hacking tools uh but the difference here is that these game cheats serve absolutely no purpose whatsoever other than to degrade the experience of using this product for absolutely everyone other than the person who buys the cheat it's it's it's pay to win except it's not even endorsed by the game developer it's not even available to the other player that wants to play legit so that to me is the difference between these things but you know alan asks in the flow playing chat do you even think the courts can make such a nuanced just uh nuance okay this word is not correct, but distinction. Do they have that capability? Honestly, I don't know that they do, but generally, I am supportive of companies that

try to degrade or destroy the functionality of someone else's product um being penalized for it but hold on a second okay we're in a super gray area here luke okay what about a company that's selling uh tesla hacks so you can unlock your heated seats or unlock additional performance or range are they are they're not degrading the experience of using the product for the customer but but they are certainly degrading Tesla's ability to charge money for that product. Are they in the same? My issue is that with cheats, you are degrading the experience of other people. Sure, but Tesla's other people.

I think if you enable yourself, they're another company, not other users. Yeah, a corporation is an individual. If you made it so that you, I think that's the stupidest thing ever. But that's a legal thing. That's a legal thing. I don't make the rules.

We have to consider it. Other users, I would say. Other users. Sure. Because Tesla's not a user. That's true. So if you made it so that by enabling heated seats for you, the seats of other people in the lanes around you while you're driving

have to be on active cooling for some reason, then yeah, that would be stupid. I wouldn't want that to be allowed. The issue is that it significantly degrades the experience of other people. In a lot of situations, these are competitive environments where people could be potentially pursuing careers or directly pursuing ranking positions that could lead them into the money. Or money. It could be their livelihood. So this is actually a financial problem. Absolutely.

Yes. Yes. Karate Swan asks a great question. Could this set a precedent that affects the modding community and i think that by luke's definition where we only care if it degrades the experience for other users no it shouldn't affect the modding community but can we trust the legal system to make that distinction i think it's very challenging you would have to have such a deep knowledge of gaming to tell the difference between the legality of a mod that I don't, who cares?

Let's you run around as a, as a hyper sexualized bunny in a single player game versus a mod that allows you to versus a mod that allows you to change your in-game skin in Fortnite to some combination of the default grass building and dirt textures, essentially turning you into a camouflaged player model, right? What would be the difference to them? And I just, I don't think I trust them to be able to tell the difference. So it's really hard for me to take a firm stance on this, even if I am ultimately happy to see these game cheat makers paying some kind of penalty and to see finally some kind of crackdown that isn't just falling on game developers to try their best to infect our computers

with more kernel-level and and root kits in order to freaking supposedly prevent cheaters from degrading the gaming experience uh hold on a second uh imperator 3 37 33 says companies are not people regardless of what a clueless judge thinks they're not i don't disagree with you it makes absolutely no sense um but it's also there are reasons for it even if they suck is all i kind of have to say about that fair enough uh should we do the remaining announcements? I think we've got Dan Week and remaining charity stream items. Yeah, hit me. Or if you want me to do it.

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a PC, a a laptop and some other pc parts and peripherals still up for grabs hey there we go all right got the list up there and i have some quick updates about the pens i believe that we've sold probably about 1100 to Probably about $1,100 to $2,000 currently. We have apparently made $5,000. So unless you want to wait another two months for them, you should probably buy one tonight. Oh, I was wondering where you were going with that, because I... Yeah.

Yeah, this is just the live audience, too. That's wild. Yeah, I'm getting some info from Nick as well, but... What the f***? There's only... Hold on on a second how many people are even watching the show seriously hold on hold on hold on hold no no no no hold on i've already done 517 merch messages uh you're a unit dan just so you know hell yeah there, there's 10,000 people watching on YouTube. Okay. There's probably based on sort of chat velocity numbers because we don't have an actual viewer count, but there's probably somewhere in the neighborhood of a couple thousand

watching on float plane. There's probably a couple thousand watching on Twitter. Yeah. There's 2000 watching on Twitch and I Lord only knows how many are watching on Twitter because I think that number is fake. So there's somewhere between 15 and 20,000 people watching WAN show. That means one in 20 of you, like, like look to your left, look to your right. There is a one in 10 chance that one of those people bought a pen.

You guys are wild. Um, yeah, I mean, it's a great pen and it's honestly a good price compared to other like stainless steel machine like it's a beautiful pen um but you guys are awesome and thank you so much for your support you guys sorry we're up to 1500 now way to go dan way way to sell 300 pens or whatever that works out to uh to be fair uh you know i talked to nick a half hour ago so it's already another 400 and a half hour so okay yeah that's wild all right what else we want to talk about today uh one quick question i have for dan all right you're seeing the merch messages come through. How many people are buying multiples of them? I don't think he's looking at what people are buying, Luke.

His fingers are on fire. If you want accurate numbers, I now have 530 merch messages, and we've sold 654. Sorry, 531, 32, 655. That's basically how fast. 56. This is how fast it comes in. 57 this is how fast i have to this is you're ruining my life uh yeah why are you talking to dad 59 60 sorry dad keep going

this is ridiculous 62 every time i refresh the shopify 500 people went to the site since i mentioned this okay well anyway yeah it's a cool pen uh guys hey um i love you all you know 63 make sure to pick up you know a t-shirt or something in the meantime we've got a man the clothing products have not been selling as well but the reviews are so good so if you guys are you know picking up a pen hey maybe check out the polo shirt four and a half stars maybe pick up the polo shirt. Four and a half stars. Maybe pick up a button-up shirt. Four and a half stars. You know, we got lots of... Man, we got so much clothing, you guys.

What about the dip-dye hoodie? Look how good it looks. Okay, we don't have any reviews for that one yet, but it's great. The dropout is my personal favorite. Am I wearing my dropout today? Yeah, I'm wearing my dropout today, man. I love this thing. This is a five-star product.

Literally five stars amazing quality five star it makes me feel awful oh that i got it at such a steep discount yeah it's great anyway all right all right all right buy some clothes uh what else we got today luke will return in a minute oh oh uh okay dang it well this was one that i really wanted to be more of a discussion oh i was about to have dan join no no you're busy i got stuff to do sir i'm on my own i mean i can help no no you're good you're good you're good do you think um sony struggles with the you know what no i have an idea i mean realistically he's not doing anything anyway so oh oh well that doesn't work why why do i not i thought my phone i thought all of my google contacts automatically joined my phone contacts but apparently they don't so i have no idea how some of those people ended up in my

contacts list okay realistically this guy's not doing anything important anyway hello all right what's up what's up eli all right we're going to be talking about 500 skin bundles and before we do that i just am going to kind of put you on the spot live here um you know you know how we we talked about you know one of those conversations that i was having And before we do that, I just am going to kind of put you on the spot live here. You know how we talked about one of those conversations that I was having with my kids about stuff that I don't want to see them doing, and I was all like, hey kids, doing that thing, what is that? And they're like, it's dumb. Are you comfortable talking about what we talked about after that conversation with my kids?

I'm asking in very coded language on purpose here. Are you wanting me to tell how much I've spent on skins? No, no, well, yes. Basically, the conversation we had about, you know, how that can be bad and stuff, you know, like that whole thing. Oh. Like, is that something you've talked about or? I don't remember.

I remember telling you how much I spent and then you said it was shameful okay all i really remember okay man um okay uh mute me for a second dan mute me for a second we're back yeah okay so so elijah um one of the things that we chatted about when you were over for the land party um was how for you in-game spending actually got to the point where it was a real problem for you um and you know this is one of those things that i feel like for me and luke it's very easy for us as people who never got into it to kind of talk about well just don't buy the skin right but i think for for someone who falls into alcoholism for example to hear someone say well just don't drink the drink is is actually actually very, uh, very non-constructive. And so as we make our way into the, um, the riot news this week about their, uh, their skin bundle,

um, you know, why don't you talk a little bit about what it's like to be the sort of person that's being targeted by this type of marketing? Um, cause we chatted about that a little bit at the LAN. Yeah, totally. So, I mean, one thing that I have always struggled with was mainly the FOMO and, like, loot boxes. So, you know, the chance of getting something that is there, you know, falling into that gambling aspect. Unfortunately, I suffer from being taken advantage of that and basically having gambling addiction.

So in early days when loot boxes were super, super prominent and basically the first thing you see when you boot up a game is, Oh my God, you can get this skin. You should go get it right now. It's, it's very tough because you can then boot up a game and maybe your friends

have it, or maybe someone else got it. That's in this game. And you're like, wow, that actually does look really, really cool it's it's it's a tough feeling to fight because you know it almost feels like you have no control because you're just like oh man they're just shoving it in my face there's an opportunity i have to take it and i don't want to

miss it so it's it can be really tough and the game can be a significant part of your social life i mean it's not like I can't relate to that. In my peak TF2 Left 4 Dead days, I literally got up in the morning, ate food, went to work, ate some food, worked some more, went home, grabbed some food, and sat down at my computer and gamed until it was time to sleep, rinse and repeat, and do it again. sat down at my computer and gamed until it was time to sleep, rinse and repeat, and do it again. And so the idea that, you know, this could be a significant amount of your social circle is your gaming buddies, and a significant amount of your social life is interacting in this game is, I mean, it's something that we should be able to relate to, even if we haven't really considered

it that way before. So let me run through the news from this week um league of legends developer riot is selling what it calls this is great some of our most generous bundles to date i'm going to stop there for a moment elijah how do you feel about a game developer describing a skin bundle as generous i would say they're pretty humble perfect this is despite the fact that the cheapest of these bundles is 50 and the most expensive is 500 the 500 bundle features cosmetic skins for the playable character ari leading many players to argue for boycotting the character as ranked league matches allow each team to vote on a small number of characters who can't be played in the next match, boycotting players could eventually potentially even block others from playing Ahri.

Some players, however, still appear to be buying these egregiously expensive limited-time offers. At least one third-party seller of in-game currency claims that some of his customers took out small loans in order to do so, saying, Can you guys stop taking out loans to buy the Ari skin? I don't want to put you in debt. Legit, every second order is with a loan agreement. So, can you talk a little bit about how that feels? It doesn't shock me that people are buying it and i think that's kind of i remember one of my first wanshows and when i was typing in chat you were blown away

when i mentioned that a csgo skin sold for six figures uh you know it's it's one of those things it becomes a flex status symbol it's the same reason that Supreme clothing, you know, can charge prices. Gucci can charge their prices. Even if they are good quality, you're paying the artists for their work of what they've done. It's a flex status at that point. Oh man.

I, uh, I, I gotta confess, like I still have a hard time wrapping my brain around that. That's still something that's, that's very, uh, that's very uh that's

very difficult for me to to fathom like when i was in school right like i wasn't cool um i didn't have status symbols um my my rca lira mp3 player did not get me chicks the cool kids had mini disc all right so i don't know as someone who maybe maybe part of it is that i have never reaped the social benefit of flexing um and so maybe that's something that and and guys you know let me know if i'm kind of onto something here but like you know is that something that can get guys you know let me know if i'm kind of onto something here but like you know is that something that can get you kind of addicted to that dopamine hit of people being like whoa man like cool jacket or uh cool product like is is that is that part of the experience

i i think part of it can definitely be related to that. I think this $500 skin is definitely going to be pushing that outer limits of, you know, people being like, damn, you're kind of an idiot, potentially, because you spent $500. But there's also going to be that group of circle that's like, wow, that guy must really like this game, or he plays this game a lot, or, you know, whatever it may be, because they have that skin and yeah like you said earlier social circle right if you're part of a group of friends that only plays league and you want to be the guy that has the 500 skin it it's a status symbol but like wouldn't the status symbol be like i i i i'm i'm baller enough that like i don't i don't have to like i don't have to dress up i don't have to cosplay as a league player i can just i can just rock vanilla and beat you and embarrass you like hundred in the world then like that's the kind of thing you know no one cares about numbers thousand to ten thousand they only care about the top thousand so you know if you can't make it there your next chance is to look cool and look like you belong oh my god chase is in the chat now good lord did you see this

valve apparently lets you rent cs2 skins so you can try them out and then decide if you want to buy or keep renting them? Are you f***ing kidding me? It's a thing where people will buy a skin, put it on a gun, and get upset because it doesn't look as good as it does in the shop.

What does that even mean? It was digital in both places. No, no, okay, but like when it's in your hand and like you're in first-person perspective seeing it and how it glints off like maps and lighting, if it interacts with the environment, if the shadows, if the light, dude, I can see your reaction looking at the camera right now.

I get it. You're dumbfounded by this. Like, I get it. You know why they call it dumbfounded? Because I found dumb. I found it. Sorry. I'm not even going to ding that.

That's just clever. Thanks, Dan. It's crazy. Like, I totally, yeah. But I totally see why renting would be a thing. Because if you're not sure how it's going to look on your favorite map or in your game, why would you spend the five hundred dollars maybe ten dollars just look who it is in float plane chat it's like hundred dollars a month you get every skin new idea

you're welcome ea but it's all a rental okay so it's i love it it's skins as a service let's go i love that i hate this timeline idea can we can we get a patent on that real quick oh my god sony's already i got it elijah i would rather not make the money than oh i mean i guess we could patent it so no one does it that's what i'm saying i see okay you're not in charge anymore taryn if Taryn asks you to do this, you know, we kind of have to now, right? I don't know if I'm going to sign the check, man. I don't know if I want any part of any of this.

We could sell new colors for the LTT store. That's fair. Oh, float skins. I like that idea. Yeah. We could give our chatters specific colors for their username, and they can rent it. Or, like, you could have dark mode, have dark mode or puce for the background.

Look, float plane people, they already pay a subscription. Yeah, but they could pay us more. Why do we want to nickel and dime people? They're a trapped audience. Why does Fortnite do it? Why does Valorant do it? Because it's profitable. Yes, think of the opportunity.

I mean, look, I got to tell you, back when we were looking at development of our own VPN, it's not like we didn't recognize that digital products are so scalable, can be so profitable. I mean, if we could come up with more digital products, I mean, look at Flowplane. We have almost 35,000 paying subscribers on Flowplane. That is a pretty chunk of change.

And we're so appreciative of you guys for supporting us like this that we actually go and spend a lot of money on you know making sure we're creating exclusive content and all of that stuff and it's it's great right it's it's win-win because we can build out a team that is able to have a good job here at linus media group and you guys are getting all this great behind the scenes content all that good stuff but like i don't know we've had these conversations internally that I'm like yeah but should we just be creating a digital product for the sake of having a digital product because it's just profitable I don't know I I want to do that no we don't I mean okay we did yes the potato okay yes yeah okay I was like I thought we did this didn. The potato. Okay. Yes. Yeah, okay. I was like, I thought we did this, didn't we?

But that was a joke. And people still took it. It was an obscenely profitable joke. I think we sold like 800 potatoes. And they weren't even real NFTs. They were just pings or JPEGs or something. Don't spoil it. Don't spoil it. No, no, they knew.

We said it was. I know. Yeah, we were totally up front about it that the whole thing was nonsense do any of y'all still have your potato by the way did did anyone anyone in chat buy a potato imagine if you deleted the png and it's just gone you just lost it yeah yeah oh what a shame is is luke coming back like do you Do you need a camera? Because my audio is garbage. I don't know. Hey, Dan, is Luke planning to come back? Yeah, he's right here.

Oh, okay. Yeah, Luke's apparently ready to come back. Okay, all right. Cool. See you later, Elijah. Okay. Bye, buddy. Thanks for filling in.

Okay, bye. Yeah, really, really cool, different perspective. And the timing was pretty good to bring him in just because i i think that luke and i as outsiders can be a little judgy about that kind of stuff and and that's probably unfair because we know that these companies are engaging in psychological manipulation and so i think just being dismissive of of people's susceptibility to it is honestly just kind of non-constructive so i think i thought it was pretty cool to have elijah come in and uh give us an alternate perspective on that uh luke did you have any

thoughts you wanted to share on the 500 skin bundle or do you want to move on to uh oh this is a good one social media children are finally fighting back as adults something i called like almost 10 flipping years ago yeah i think on the 500 skin bundle like it's if if it doesn't make you better at the game if it's not a skin that like makes you camouflage in with the background or something like that um i don't think that people should buy it but it's a free game so like i don't really care they need to make money somehow and if someone's gonna buy this like cool i guess but based on how many people dude but based on how many people are taking out loans to buy it i mean doesn't that isn't that just sad doesn't that just tell you like what they know what they're doing they've got to know what they're doing right

like at what point do you have to kind of go okay look you're working at a tobacco company you're complicit you know what you're doing yeah i think there's i think for some people though that 500 skin bundle isn't going to be bad and yeah smoking tobacco is bad for everyone and like look i get that not everybody's in a position to be able to make a moral judgment about you know the job they have to do to put food on their table i get it no judgment here but i do feel like at least at the executive level they've got to know who they are making these things for i mean luke you've talked about this before where there are games where they go into their analytics with enough

granularity that there are specific users that they will craft an item for and market it too heavily because they know they're going to buy it. It's nasty. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I don't like it. But I don't know. I don't feel super strongly about it just because I think my stance on this is just like, obviously don't buy it. But I don't know. What was the next topic next topic is now that the first big wave of social media babies are hitting adulthood some of them are now advocating for protecting children from their parents online oversharing two notable advocates are right topic yeah yeah yeah are cam barrett and chris mccarty who have been testifying to lawmakers in multiple states asking them to regulate family vlogging

and ensure that children are protected and to some degree compensated for their labor they are working they are generating revenue this is not the same as household chores. And I have had some stupid conversations about this where like I just about made my brain rot from the inside out. People basically going, yeah, until they're 18, they're my kids. And if I tell them to do something, they got to do. No, no. Child labor is not something that you have the right to have your kids do and if they are working on a commercial endeavor they are child laborers and there are very strict regulations around it even in industries where children children where children are allowed to work like the entertainment industry 25 year old cam barrett claims that she was traumatized by her mother's extreme oversharing which included everything from childhood tantrums to personal medical information. In particular, Barrett was humiliated by her mother's decision to post publicly about her first menstrual cycle when she was only nine years old. These posts led to celebrity attention and perks like front row concert tickets,

but also fed ammunition to bullies who used the information to ridicule her. She claims to have started hiding in her room to avoid being on camera, and that she felt she couldn't confide in adults for fear of her secrets being exposed on social media. Meanwhile, 19-year-old Chris McCarty is a founding member of Quit Clicking Kids, and he has noted that family vlogging can be in some ways worse than child acting, as these children wind up living in houses that feel like sets, with parents who feel like they're bosses, and it's unclear when they finally get to stop performing mccarty likewise says these parents are often failing to empathize with their children and not considering how they would feel if they

had the most intimate moments of their lives monetized young people are likewise increasingly criticizing the practice of family vlogging on social media it's about fucking time i called this so long ago and yes my kids do appear in our videos from time to time what the fuck do you know about them i know a few things sorry there's a butterfly well yeah you do you're you're a family friend it's different and we compensate them yeah like i was an extra on the x-files i don't know if i've talked about this i was an extra on the x-files when i was a kid um i i find it i've never actually seen the episode but um yeah i so um but like i'm not bothered by that because all I did was appear on camera.

My dad gave me the money. I mean, it was my money, right? But he made sure that I got it. His rule for it was that we both made money. We were both extras and that we weren't gonna, you know, it was like, uh, it was like a couple hundred dollars or something like that. And he was like, hey, it should be, we should do something together with it.

Like he didn't really like give it to me, give it to me. But we both, we went and we ate at La Belle Auberge, which was a fancy French restaurant in Ladner when I was a kid. It's not there anymore. And we went and we tried it because we would walk past it all the time. And it was one of those places that was like a hundred plus dollars a plate.

And that was back in the 90s right so this was a very fancy fancy restaurant um and so yeah i was in this thing but you know my intimate secrets were not spilled out online uh we turned it into an opportunity to do something together as a family no harm no foul but that's not i But that's not what these families are doing. It's absolutely wild. I think there's also a huge difference between happening to appear in one video every once in a blue moon and being compensated for that compared to having content made about you, including, as you previously mentioned, pretty intimate parts of your life,

like first menstrual cycle, stuff like that. Like that being on YouTube for all your peers to see is ridiculous and not okay. Yeah, brutal. Sony seems to be struggling with the concept of multi-platform support. Oh, wait, wait, wait, hold on. I want to finish by making my prediction again.

The only way that this is ever going to change, this family vlogging exploitation of children, is when one of these kids reaches the legal age and sues the f*** out of their parents. And it's basically like, hey, you guys made, by my rough calculations, with data that is easily available online uh you know eight million dollars over the course of my entire childhood um i am one of the three principal talents on this

channel i would like my 2.7 million dollars or whatever whatever it works out to uh you can you can send it through my lawyer that is the only way that this is going to change if one of these guys takes it to court and wins it otherwise it's just going to be the same um okay sony seems to be struggling with the concept of multi-platform support according to records from the korean ministry of science's testing and certification center sony has developed a pc adapter for psvr2 showing that they've made significant progress on their promise to add pc support sometime this year this would likely bolster sales for the psvr2 which is reportedly

experiencing a major backlog of unsold devices pretty cool device got an oled display um it's pretty darn comfortable it's um yeah i think something that would do okay um i don't know okay it'd be okay it'd be it'd be pretty competitive for the price i think i'd be i think i would find a psvr2 pretty darn attractive as a as a gaming headset meanwhile playstation's new co-ceo herman holst insisted at sony's business segment meeting on thursday that pc gamers will want to buy a ps5 in order to play their upcoming exclusive sequels like spider-man 2 and god of war ragnarok after playing earlier entries in those series recently released for pc and our discussion here is as a pc gamer would you be tempted to play uh horizon zero dawn for example, on PC and then run out and get Horizon... Shoot.

See, as a PC gamer, I can't even remember what the second one was called because I played Zero Dawn and then I was like, oh, there's a sequel? Oh, it's not on PC. I guess I'll just not play it. But I tend to...

I take a pretty different approach to my gaming backlog where I'm just like, oh, well, realistically, I haven't gotten to participate in a cultural moment like uh helldivers 2 or um what was that pokemon with guns game pal world or you know whatever else i don't get to participate in these cultural moments anyway so screw it if it actually has staying power then i'll play it later um but would you be tempted to run out and buy a PS5 in order to play a sequel? I could see that being a thing.

I honestly could absolutely see that being a thing. I think a lot of people play games more than they play systems, if that makes sense. Now, the economic environment that we're in and the cost of modern consoles might put a stop to that. I think it used to be a little bit more approachable to get into a console. But if it was kind of time to upgrade your computer anyways, and your favorite game was the game that you're playing now, and the next version of it is just on the console, I could see that happening. But I think that's going to happen significantly less than Sony thinks. And I think they would drive a lot more overall revenue,

just releasing the darn games on PC. I don't know, man, a lot of people, because go ahead. I just, you always have that experience, or at least this happened when I was younger, where people would come over to a friend's house and see halo for the first time and then be switched over to xbox houses or whatever else like like individual games can swing people absolutely and a lot of people in chat are talking about it happening a lot of people in chat are like yeah i'd be tempted totally a thing but can i can i propose man i don't know why so many i was reading this article a little while ago i might have even talked about this on my show before but it was about um every once in a while like uh like luxury goods articles get fed to me like the state of the luxury goods market and

particularly like um uh what is it south china morning post or whatever like they're they're i'll particularly get articles from them um this was more before they they went paywalled and i would actually read articles there now i just i'm like oh okay paywall i forgot about that and then i navigate away so i don't really get them anymore uh but one of the things that they would talk about a lot is they would kind of keep tabs on the state of the luxury goods market in southeast asia and china kind of overseas and i remember reading about how there's this trend. There's this trend toward more secondhand luxury goods and the incredible value that you can get by buying and by selling the things that you bought for so much money

and getting back some of the money for it. And then you can buy something else with that. And by saving money, by buying secondhand, it's like the idea of a thrift store is a new f***ing idea or something. But I don't know what it is about people, because I don't think it's just the younger generation. That was what the article was about. It's like, younger generation comes up with the idea of buying and selling secondhand. No, you didn't.

But basically, I don't understand why so many people are allergic to that. If a game comes out that you really want to play, go pick up a secondhand PlayStation 5 on Facebook Marketplace. Okay, so that's like, let's do the numbers, right? So that's, it's probably going to be like a hundred bucks off or whatever.

So that's 350 bucks out of your pocket, let's say. I don't know the actual numbers. It doesn't matter. But that's 300 bucks out of your pocket. Okay say i don't know the actual numbers it doesn't matter but that's 300 bucks out of your pocket okay you go buy the game right so that's 70 bucks or 80 or whatever works out to for modern game these days i don't know i'm in canada so i don't even know what u.s games cost so you go buy your 70 game or whatever so you are you are 420 out of your pocket nice okay so you play your game right realistically it's probably got you know what 25 to 75 hours of gameplay so you can probably get that done in let's say a

month right i'd say that's pretty reasonable for a game that was was so compelling right for you that you went out and you bought a several hundred dollar console just to play it okay sell the console it's been a month how much you think the value has actually changed right compared to buying a new one the value of a second hand one realistically hasn't changed that much you can probably get what you paid and if you're patient you can probably buy for lower and sell for higher and then sell the game do you really need it i've i've you will be out of pocket scenarios before too you'll be out of pocket probably 25 bucks and it costs you overall less than the total cost of the game it's no big deal i used to do it all the time another

thing too is if if you buy one that happens to be like a little bit dirty or a little bit scuffed up, you can try to, I wouldn't say refinish it, but like clean it up a little bit, take better pictures of it than the original poster did, make it look a little bit nicer and actually end up making money. And it's, yeah, it's a little bit of work, but it's also kind of, it can become a hobby. It can become fun.

You know, bargain hunting is a lot more fun if you follow through and you don't just buy if you sell as well and you maintain like make a spreadsheet have the discipline make a spreadsheet where you track everything that you're buying and selling and keep it net zero i bet you can do it and i don't know i had a i had a blast with it and man the resources for it are so good these days if i had had facebook marketplace which has problems i mean the fact that they're not tamping down on sellers who list for zero dollars and actually it's it costs a lot of money oh. Are you going to tell the bunker story? Or should we save that for another WAN show? You want to tell the bunker story? Okay, I don't know.

He's muted, so who knows what he's saying. But it sounds like he's not going to tell the bunker story. We'll talk about the bunker story another time. I can tell it now or another time. I'm down to eat a little. Sure, sure. Let's talk about the bunker story. But the point is, let me just finish this thought.

Facebook Marketplace is an incredible tool in spite of its problems and i would have man i would have had a blast okay i want to talk why don't you tell the bunker story luke sure okay so we were at a land party at linus's house and having some fun and elijah happened to find a... Concrete. A safe, I think it was listed as. And it's very generic. They sell basically a series of exactly uniform concrete slabs that make up all of the walls, I believe the floor, if there is any for the floor, and also the ceiling.

I know the walls and the ceiling are all the same uniform concrete slabs. And then there's just a big vault door that goes into it. I was able to actually Google the company that makes it and figure out that this person that listed it for $0 was effectively just trying to resell from another company because all they posted were sample images, not an image of the actual safe or vault or whatever you want to call it. So they weren't reselling something that they owned. They were just trying to advertise and make money that way. So Elijah bugged him by offering him, I think it was like a single dollar. So it was listed for $0, but the real price, I think Elijah messaged to find out. It was listed for $1, sorry. Yeah.

So it was listed for $1. We messaged him. Um, Elijah offered him a dollar, I believe it was, or $2 or something. Um, and he's like, Oh, but my cost is like $40,000. And Elijah was like, well, you shouldn't have listed it for that. If you shouldn't have listed it for a dollar, if you wanted to sell it for more than $40,000. Uh, and then my brother and I caught wind of this, um, and just and just decided to have a little bit of fun. You guys are such f***ing a**holes. So I started asking them a series of questions that ranged from like how it would be transported to us and what the transport costs would be. I got really into the exact material composition of the concrete and when we nailed that down um despite

knowing the safety rating of the lock i started getting into um like how many uh i don't know what they're called but like the big not the pins that you would pick with a lock pick but the pins that go into the wall to keep the door closed like how many of those exist what are the material composition of those how long do they stand up to angle grinder attacks, all this other different type of stuff. Um, just like every, every question you could possibly imagine. Um, and then when you, when you get to, when you kind of run out of questions, you hit, you hit them with the old $2 offer. Um, so we, it was just a little bit of fun, know just wasting wasting somebody's time who's basically wasting everyone else's time in fairness in fairness he had it coming i'm with you on this

one but how many days did your brother keep him keep stringing him along wasn't it like almost a week brother had him i i think it was actually a whole week because the last messages I'm seeing here are from the next Sunday I hadn't actually seen this one the last question was could you fit a small car inside

maybe Dan's car like very small, like a very very small car, could you fit one inside oh man i would love for this to become an entire content genre just like trolling people who list things for zero dollars or one dollar on facebook because you know what those people they are ruining the platform for everyone else and they need to just screw off apparently it is annoying oh that's awesome now i thought we came up with something but i guess um there's no such thing as a unique idea apparently dutch tiktok is full of it i love it that's awesome that's great respect but yeah my

my brother had him i i think my questions got a little bit too obvious uh but my brother was trying to convince him that he had an extremely extensive watch collection that he wanted to store within the vault and stuff. He spun this whole story. It was great. He did a better job than I did. I just got really into asking him a lot of questions

when my brother was trying to have a conversation, which was a better use of time, I think. But it was good. That's hilarious um open ai has formed a new safety and security committee only a few short weeks after it saw several high-profile resignations and ultimately the dissolution of its super alignment committee which was focused on making sure that the pursuit of artificial general intelligence remained aligned with the interests of human beings.

Open AI says that this new safety committee committee will be led by two members of the current board alongside CEO, Sam Altman, the primary person who has been accused of making irresponsible decisions regarding AI and AGI development. There's not really much else for us to say other than seriously who's gonna who's gonna oversee the tech bros how about the tech broist of tech bros um you know i yeah i'm i i got a bone to pick actually with um with with

with the community and i uh i don't know how to address this because I think a lot of you probably recognize it, but I get called a tech bro a lot. I actually have very little in common with tech bros. I do not run a f***ing tech company. I run a media company. Yes, you do. Okay, Floatplane, sort of.

Floatplane's also a media company. I run a media company. Yes, you do. Okay, floatplane, sort of. Floatplane's also a media company. I run a media company, an other more different media company, and an apparel company. Guys! Come on! Anyway. There's a good question.

What about labs? Sorry, there's a train going by so i'm trying to toggle me quick labs is media it's still media it's all media it's been media from the start it's the moon meme always has been like yeah i love technology if if but i don't i don't do vc i don't do vc investment i don't do like i don't do tech bro stuff that's a big difference i don't do VC investment. I don't do tech bro stuff. Yeah, so that's a big difference. I don't do any of that stuff. I run a self-funded media company.

So I resent that, okay? I resent that. I think the heavy VC funding and building in order to sell is the biggest differentiator. Because if you want to call Flowplane a media company, are people who work at YouTube not in tech? Are people who work at TikTok not in tech? It gets a little bit weird. But I think the heavy financial company backing and stuff like that is a major differentiator yeah there's no private equity in floatplane there's no pressure on us to behave in any way that is that is unethical or that is um uh that is hostile towards our user base or our customer base um and so there is no and certification there's no reason for it to happen. And it's something, it's the way that we are structured is the antithesis of like a tech bro style company. as people who are into technology and who are running a company,

I can see how there's a lot of cosmetic similarities, but the underlying structure of this company is completely different. And the pressures on us are completely different. Someone asks, what about framework? I do not run framework. I don't have a seat on the board of framework. I had some cash burning a

hole in my pocket and i saw something that i thought was incredible and could be an industry changer and i was like you know what would be really cool is if i put my money where my mouth is and if it ever grows and i ever get a return on the investment that's super cool but i'm basically kissing this away and i guess we'll just see what happens if if it doesn't take off then at the very least i put my money where my mouth is and i showed that i believed with with real concrete like money in my pocket i showed that i believed in the mission i'm super proud of them they are doing incredible. And since we're at it, right, it was a very, very similar investment into that NAS operating system that is still churning away in the background. They'll let you guys know when they're ready to announce

something. But again, I'm not being all tech bro about it. I didn't even, they offered a seat on their board. I told them I don't even want it. don't i don't i don't want any of that pressure i don't want any of that responsibility they were good people who were building something that i believe in very very strongly i wanted it to have a shot that was it that's it i am they they were like you are the least hands-on investor that we have ever heard of because i basically don't even like respond to emails they'll be like giving me an update i'm like all right and they're like hey we really need to have a call like because we'd just like to talk to you and you know get some insight on something or whatever like you know obviously you invested in this because you felt very strongly that this is

a product that you know creators and and tech enthusiasts need um you know we'd love to get some clarification on some stuff i'm like uh all right i can fit you in on saturday that's the last call i had with them i was uh i was driving home from dropping off dropping off my son at a lesson. Anyway, Corey, as the name asks, does $100,000 really mean that much to a company like Framework? At the time, it was helpful, but no, it wasn't critical. They had put aside a little bit of equity

for an investor that could open doors for them. And as someone who can help cheerlead the product, which I told them I would do regardless of whether they took my investment or not, it was at their discretion. I told them I would do it regardless. They saw me and our company as someone that would be valuable to partner with. Let's talk about the spotify car thing there's an update uh they are not going to be open sourcing it however they will be issuing refunds for the car thing so long as they have proof of purchase following backlash to spotify's plan to brick the barely three-year-old dedicated streaming device as someone who cares about the environmental impact of tech i'm not super happy with this outcome but i am a lot

happier from a customer um customer care standpoint um refund would have been a lot better or sorry uh open source would have been a lot better i would have strongly preferred that but i also did talk last show about how i understand that that may not be possible is there anything else in the doc did we did we get through the doc in a reasonable amount of time today how are your fingers doing dan i suspect we have yeah uh let's see i have done 780 merch messages that is um not good enough there's a lot more coming dan wow i'm working on no no i'm kidding i'm kidding i'm kidding i'm kidding there are actually like 145 in the queue so so objectively speaking it's not good enough but i'm still very proud of dan and i appreciate

his efforts see these these things can both be true subjectively i'm so happy that dan is doing such a great job but objectively it's not good enough i think another way to frame it could be that dan's effort is good enough but he might need an expanded team in order to conquer this uh workload that's actually interesting had we ever dan have we ever thought about like if we're launching a big product and we know we're going to get like a bajillion merch messages bringing like jake belevance back for for like a friday or something i've been uh training kind of chewy to to do this oh because he wouldn't probably embroil us in controversy like this guy

uh see you later so i think that would probably be useful um i think there's like a level of uh intuition that you get eventually um which is why i can do this now and i would be struggling like six months ago all right yeah we should uh yeah maybe that's something that we should consider hey what was that one that just came up about someone having a one-on-one with their manager about wearing the ltt hat pro do you remember replying to that one i do actually hilariously uh the hat was not professional enough uh or something like that and he wants to make a case for it and i think i suggested two hats that is hilarious the ltt hat pro is not professional enough something like that it's mean, it's all black. It's a ball cap, though, I guess I can understand.

Okay, so we need to work on a more professional hat. What's a professional hat? No hat. What's a professional hat? Yeah, like what... Top hat. What makes it... I mean, we've joked about it before.

That would be... That's what you can use the alpaca wool for. Oh, God. The wool! Yeah, yeah. I want an alpaca top hat. why i was late on that you guys it's gonna be like a hundred dollar hat people are gonna flip out you're buying a top hat people already give us a hard time about our stupid pricing and look quality products cost money i'm sorry not sorry but that an alpaca wool top hat you guys

are gonna get me roasted on social media i mean if it's already happening then like what's just more fuel wear a top hat you gotta spend like you can wear a top hat yeah he's not wrong he's not wrong that cardboard cut out with the head on top of it is um okay dan i don't think that it is realistic for us to get through all the merch messages this week. I mean, if you're ending the show... I mean, I was making good progress. I think if you guys start some of the other ones, then I can get this down. Because now we're in the denouement of the evening.

And so they're coming in a little less fast. Okay. Alright, in that case, Luke, how long do you have? You appear to be in a park there is literally someone hiking behind you right now yes um so right now uh i am mostly battery limited so since i got out here we've burned 22 of laptop battery oh that's not so bad so when that hits zero i'm done unless we want me to go onto my phone which i am willing to do i think it will be a significantly degraded experience i'll tell you what why don't we uh why don't we start on some curated merch messages and i'll read them out and then dan will continue to reply to some and we'll see how we do

um mike d says hello dan luke and beardless linus what's a video idea you've had over the years that seemed like it would be good and an entertaining one but just wasn't practical to produce oh man there's been so many in fact i could pull up a spreadsheet right now if luke has one off at the top of his head that he'd like to that he'd like to talk about then well you know by all means but i can talk for a little bit what instantly jumped into my head was things that that is true for but we we honestly ended up doing anyways because we thought it was just a good thing to make for the community like honestly we announced it this stream like making scrapyard wars doesn't make a ton of sense

um it's it's very very difficult to make it takes an incredible amount of time not only in the fact that like sometimes they're up to a week long it's super risky two shooters sometimes more we're counting hosts and then the editing time for it is enormous and i'm super insistent that anytime we do a competition or a or a game of chance style piece of content that it is real so there is legitimately a strong probability every time we do something like scrapyard wars that it's just going to be boring as f**k um yep so it's super risky but yeah we do things. But we believed in the content because, as we talked about for a different topic on this show, we like promoting the idea of people making economic choices. By people buying on the used market, we're contributing less to e-waste because we're reusing things.

You can get a lot better of a deal. You can get into computers, computer gaming, computer performance in whatever way you want to by reusing other people's stuff, saving a ton of money. And it can be fun, which is part of what we're trying to show people as well, is it can be engaging, it can be fun, it can be done relatively quickly. And you can get really interesting things. And honestly, a lot of the computers that you end up making that way, you probably feel more attached to anyways. Like it's, it's,

it's, I don't know. It's all very good, but realistically it's not super practical. The return on investment of making a scrapyard war series is like super bad, not the greatest. I could do a lot of likes. I could do a lot of sponsored pool robot videos in the time it

takes to do scrapyard wars i'll put it that way yeah yeah a ton of them uh here's one i really wanted to do a roundup of window mounted ac units with how much heat pumps have been in the news like doing uh doing like a window mounted like heat pump style heater cooler window like i think that would be super super news you can use content um i'm sure there's a channel that like is more focused on that kind of thing but i i feel like it's something that we could do if we really wanted to you know do it this is uh w in in our in our rating system so i've got like a color-coded rating system for video ideas um w is good ideas that might require sourcing something difficult or waiting for new technology to arrive um so one of them was oh man we're trying to get our hands on a toshiba 55 zl2 glasses free 3d tv that's one of those um one that just wasn't practical was using the

vision pro for a whole day and just like vlogging about that we just kind of got to it too late oh here's one i've wanted to do for so long the e-waste pc where i actually go like dumpster dive but the problem is all those recyclers because of their their data protection policies and privacy policies and stuff which i totally get and totally sense, they won't let you just dig around in the e-waste. And any transfer station or dump, like landfill, in at least a part of Canada where I live, won't let you anywhere near that because they're worried about liability. Like, what if you puncture your skin on a hypodermic needle while you're digging around in computer cases which by the way is a possibility remember that time i found a crack pipe in a computer doing scrapyard wars yeah so like yeah i i really want to do that people have suggested it so many times you think we haven't

tried man we've tried so many times when we did that um that acer sponsored piece where we uh where we set up like a stripped down windows on like an e-waste tier machine like office discard machine that was supposed to be the e-waste pc we had found an e-waste processor like on the east coast and we were going to pick up we were going to go all the way there to do an e-waste build challenge thing and it was going to be sponsored by acer and it fell through like we've tried so many times i would i would love to do it people are like sign the necessary ndas etc it's not that simple they have agreements with the organizations that send them e-waste that say they will not allow an unauthorized party to have access to it it's that it's that simple the answer is no yeah it's tough sucks uh all right archive

oh yes it's after dark uh chase m says sup dll i wanted to ask about the lux backpack i'm on the fence about purchasing it and was wondering about how long i might have has it shipped oh uh shoot this one i don't actually know the answer to uh i know i just signed off on the on the final sample of the lux tech sack which i don't think we have talked about before. So that's coming to match the Lux backpack. But I believe we will have some inventory when it arrives. Like dozens of units, not a lot, but I believe we will have some when it arrives. Okay, archive.

Gareth says, hi DLL. Back in many of your old videos, you would say to always use an antistatic strap and you claimed you always had one on your ankle. Is that true? Or were you lying for clout? It is true that you should. It is also true that I was often in a hurry. So was often in a hurry. So, yes, I lied. If there's a lie that you could nail me on, it would be that one. That is one time that I have actively deceived the community, but my heart was in the right place. I wanted to make sure that I was encouraging proper best practices while also recognizing the reality of our fast-paced, understaffed production environment and desperate attempts to keep our business alive that would have been slowed down by me constantly clipping

in and unclipping my anti-static strap, and I didn't have the money to invest in things like anti-static flooring, and I'm sorry. I'm very sorry. You know what? There's a second lie. I've told very few lies to the community. The two that I can think of right now are that one and when I would fill a water loop

and I would tell you guys that it was distilled water. It was tap water. And there is one particular member of our community who knows who they are and is a f***ing idiot who is very mad about that because I showed the performance of a water-cooled system that had tap water in it, which, by the way, here in British Columbia, Canada,

in the city of Surrey, is not hard and doesn't have a ton of chemicals in it. It's basically whatever. It doesn't matter. Like, I have run our tap water in water-cooling systems for extended periods of time, years at a time. Nothing goes wrong. It's fine. But the point is, they're extremely mad because I said it was distilled water and then i gave performance numbers not comparing multiple products against each other i just gave some thermal numbers

and that i lied and deceived our viewers and it's like are you for real who cares it doesn't matter so that that is a second lie that I told. I said I was using distilled water because depending on where you are, it may actually matter. Here, it doesn't. You put some biocide in it, you'll be fine. But I mean, I would like to encourage best practices, even if I don't feel like going all the way to the grocery store to get distilled water because we're in the middle of a shoot and I need some stupid water. I'm just going to go fill a bottle and I'm going to fill it from the tap. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. Sounds like you should make a donation to BC Children's as an apology. Okay. I just did. I just did. I just did. This was cool. This was cool.

I actually had the relative of ac children's employee who works in the lab that we donated to walk up to me in a parking lot which is a little creepy by the way please don't approach public figures in a parking lot like your intentions might be good but it's actually kind of scary um but anyway the worst times yeah they approached me in a parking lot and were like hey i just wanted to say like thank you so much for the money you raised my brother and his team are so grateful and they're going to do such incredible work with it and it's completely blew away their expectations so that was pretty cool but don't do that that's all right what's next oh right i'm in charge of

this but anyway sorry it wasn't for clout it definitely wasn't for clout it was because i want people to uh follow best practices even if um i don't always have time to do things properly uh mitchell d asks i bought an engagement ring and i'm trying to think of ideas for how to propose to my girlfriend linus what's the story of how you proposed luke and dan do you have any plans of how you would propose in the future okay mine's terrible my wife explicitly told me not to put the ring in food and not to propose in front of our families i did both i don't know why i don't i don't think i could put myself back into my headspace. My original plan was to propose underwater.

And then she explicitly told me not to do that. So my plan was to be scuba diving and find, you know, a treasure chest with a ring. And I was like, I've got a really good idea. And she was like, as long as it's not underwater. And I was like, oh, okay, busted. And then I don't know she hates our my proposal so whatever you do don't do what i did a good bet would be to ask her for inspiration kind of go chat gpt on this ask her to to to to you know give some inspiration and then try and find something that's

aligned with her interests, but that would be a fun surprise and different. Find a funny, find like a compilation of funny ones online and watch them with her, and then roll it into like rating them on like how much she likes them. I can't be super specific right now someone is

across the table geeky vapor says don't do it publicly unless you're a hundred percent sure they want that yeah hundred percent geeky vapor knows what's up yep cool cool cool yeah uh anyway good luck with that. Congratulations in advance, I hope. Or I'm sorry to hear that. TLDR. Or however that copy pasta goes. Juan B. says,

Hello from Miami. Welcome to Miami. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I did that wrong. I'll be watching this on my way to work tomorrow morning. What are some of the things you wished you knew when you started the company and what are some pros and cons of having your own company? I wish I knew how much bloody work it would be.

You know, the pros are that you kind of, you can control your own destiny to a degree. Like there's things you can't control. There's economic conditions. There's pandemics. There's all kinds of stuff that you can't control. But compared to just having your livelihood and having your your life and your happiness tied to the whims of someone else i would say that is a major advantage but it's also a major disadvantage because you're going to be subjected to all the pressure that comes from having that level of

control if anything goes wrong you have no one to blame but yourself caleb g hey luke i was curious since you grew up in sports and being athletic if you ever mountain biked especially given you grew up in one of if not the place to get into the sport or one of the best if not the best place yes i did actually um but i mostly did it on like trails that just happened to be around my house. Sorry, one second. We are battling a invading insect that I just conquered. Yeah, no, I used to go on like trails around my house.

When I was growing up, my house was much more wild land around it than it is now because... Cats are urban now. Yeah, got all over to where our house was. But originally, it was mostly fields around there. So we would go around the fields and make little tracks in the forest or jump over, just push a bunch of dirt in front of a fallen over tree and use that as like a jump or whatever else but the reality of mountain biking is was a little expensive for our our uh abilities at that time so i was lucky to have a bike with gears like ice hockey exactly yeah like my my mountain bike had

no shocks um my shocks were my legs and i would stand up while i was going which was great i didn't mind it but um like there was there was some issues with like okay we're not going to go up to whistler every summer and like go mountain biking on whistler and stuff like that um it just wasn't going to happen which is fine but it was a little bit limiting we didn't play ice hockey we played ball hockey things like that um but yeah no i i think mountain biking super cool but i never got like really into it i just enjoyed riding a bike um on on trails and stuff like that ben r says i love this up cycle i've wanted a forever pen for a while but couldn couldn't decide. This is the one. Hey, thanks, Ben. Question for Linus.

How has your autograph evolved over the years? Have you considered changing it? I have changed it multiple times because I realized that it was pretty fucking stupid to use my real signature and hand it to people in public. Bad. Don't do that. Yeah. Every once in a while, someone will hand me something that uh they're

like hey i had you sign this once and uh i want you to sign it again and i'll have this temptation to like scribble out the old one because they'll have like my real signature that i use realistically what i should do is i should just change my signature. Maybe I'll do that. You know what? There. This will be the kick in the pants that I need to finally change my signature. I just got a new document of some sort. I'm not going to tell you what it is because you don't need to know, but I just got a new document of some sort that needs a signature and I'm going to sign it with a new signature and we're going to see how that goes. It's going to be great. I'm going to sign it with a new signature and we're going to see how that goes. It's going to be great. I'm going to come up with something.

It's going to be really inconvenient for Yvonne for reasons that Luke will find funny, but none of you need to know. My mic was muted, but that is actually quite funny. You guys are still doing that, eh? I don't know what you're talking about. William G. says, Linus, as a fellow ally lover, I'm disappointed with how they've been handling warranties. Have these issues influenced your preference between ally and Steam Deck?

Okay, this is a really good question. It's a complicated question. I'm sure that you've seen the leaks for Asus's rumored Ally X handheld. And so what I predict is that if Asus were to continue to have support practices that I can't fully get behind, I would need to say something about that in any hypothetical coverage of such a device. Mark says,

Hey Linus, as a parent with ADHD, what strategies do you use to help your children avoid the same pitfalls you had going to school? is so different for my kids anyway they don't even have like homework and stuff I don't even I don't even know like I don't even know what they learn I'm okay no no I know there's no they learn stuff yet they don't do homework it's like not allowed or something whoa like if they don't finish a worksheet and it's like it's like a problem like they were being disruptive or whatever occasionally they'll be asked to finish the rest of the worksheet at home or if they miss a week of school because they're sick or something they'll be given a

package to work on but they are supposed to be given ample time to complete work in school and that seems to be a policy um is that a government policy or is it that a that school policy i have no idea yeah so they they they seem to honestly it's probably a good thing because like kids are in so many extracurriculars these days compared to how i feel it was when when we were kids um like i don't mine are pretty busy like they're busy kids so if they had a bunch of homework on top of it i don't know how they'd survive um rick t says hello dll if a netflix or amazon approached you about making a tech news slash entertainment show for them do you think it'd be something you would go for man that'd be tough i i can see why mr beast did it i think that's

going to be really incredible it's going to be potentially the moment where he transitions to being like a mainstream celebrity as opposed to the biggest youtuber you know like i think that's super cool i don't know what our tech slash news slash entertainment show would be. It's something that I haven't brainstormed in a long time. I used to have some kind of cool ideas. I always thought something in between just for laughs, gags and myth busters would be kind of cool, like tech pranks.

And I had one idea for like a pilot where we even got as far as kind of brainstorming some ways that we could do it. But the idea that I had was like using, using speakers and sound projection and machine vision to turn a crosswalk into a piano or something like that. Like, so where all the pranks instead of being, yeah,

instead of being like sleight of hand or, or like, like um like more illusion or or magic oriented we're more tech oriented i thought something like that would be really cool but i just have no idea what kind of um what kind of offer i would have to get to justify shifting my focus from what i do to doing something like that i think it'd be kind of cool though i wonder if i still have my i specced out how to do that musical crosswalk thing i wonder if i still have that document somewhere i think we had a couple different ideas for how to do it so there's probably a couple things in there uh earl s says linus you mentioned that you read comments before watching content

when you decide to watch a youtube video do you speed it up yeah i i watch at uh 1.75 x if they speak fast and then i'll go to 2x if they're a slow speaker i actually kind of wish they could go a little faster i was watching um what's what's out uh technology connections video on the color brown the other day and i was like, I need like two and a half X for you. Um, but like, you know, really,

really good. Love the channel and everything. But, um, the certain creators, I do wish I could go a little faster. Fantastic channel. Yeah.

Uh, Shay B says, Hey, bad cholesterol team, JK. What is your general experience negotiating with brands, sponsors, and suppliers?

Are there some insane terms you can share or crazy stories oh man i don't i don't really negotiate with brands that much anymore um i will say oh my man what can i say what can i what can i what will not get me in trouble luke do you remember anything um insane turns and stuff terms like oh like requirements like there's been a few terms that were crazy but we just said no and then didn't do it yeah like we've had ones that have asked for like i remember a phone manufacturer in like october or something or sorry august or something wanted like a non-compete for three months over the entire like september iphone launch slash whatever period and they were some like rando like chinese phone

company and i was basically like, no, like, what are you, what are you even talking about? Um, so there's like, there's definitely been some stuff like that, but,

um, we just say no. So, uh, man, oh man, I got, I got the most chatted out.

Um, this is amazing. Oh my God. I have a big problem. What day is it there? Saturday. What time is it? Why, do you need to catch a flight?

It's 1230. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I am... Oh no, oh no. Uh... Uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh. Hold on, hold on hold on oh no

uh stall them okay um how do we stall them i think i have work been uh with me gone dan oh sure go do that do that Question for Luke. Are you playing MOP Remix? MOP Remix? What? I don't know. Oh, the wow thing. No, I'm not. Hey, Luke, you mentioned Dimension 20

a couple Dan shows ago. I wanted to ask which campaign has been your favorite. Oh. Sorry to be disappointing. I don't actively watch it. I think it's cool, but I mean, that's a lot of content to sit and watch.

I don't really watch that much stuff. I play video games if I have time at the computer. If I have time at home that's free, I'm not usually going to watch tv shows or or anything like that i'm usually just going to play games or work on stuff does luke still keep in touch with anyone from 929 929

what's that i don't know that's what it says 929 929 best buy night is this is this best buy 929 i possibly they bought a pen is that the best buy 929 yeah that's the best i used to work at that took a moment to remember um not super actively there's a there's a couple people like i have i have a couple people on steam and i don't really talk to them but i'll see them jump in and play games every once in a while and i'm i'm often tempted to like send them a message but i don't even know if they like remember who i am um so i i don't don't really buy because it's been a long time for some of them and like for some of these people one of them in particular that I know I still have on Steam

because I see them launch things every once in a while the last time I would have talked to him I think I would have been like 15 so I don't know but there's quite a number of people that I would be happy to but I don't really keep active contact with them.

No, I'm surprised this person wrote nine to nine. I'm wondering if they're one of them or something. Um, cause I don't think most people would know that that is the best buy that I worked at, but I don't know. For those wondering,

I, I realized that I screwed up something on my, my badminton playing schedule in Taiwan. And I accidentally booked some stuff for this Saturday. And then I realized that a few days ago. And then I forgot to message. So I'm literally supposed to be at a center in like a few hours. And I have to bail.

And I feel really bad because it's with someone that I've played with last year and then played with like years before. And like we had dinner last year. And like, you know, I feel really really really bad and I just completely forgot um do you have another day you can play with them yeah I think I'm gonna I'm gonna see if uh I'm gonna see if he's around sometime in the middle of the week but I I feel awful because he's like super nice guy and has helped like coordinate groups for me before and stuff um yeah he's super cool uh anyway yeah so i feel really really awful right now and um let's get through some more

curated merch messages oh wow there are there are oh god damn you're curating a lot of them uh okay js asks hey linus what's your favorite and least favorite part of the langley house like the one we used to shoot out of my favorite part of it oh man i guess it has a pretty open layout on the main floor that was pretty helpful uh my least favorite do they mean like favorite part of when we worked there or do they mean literally the physical house i don't know my favorite part of working there was definitely the camaraderie i remember actually pitching to an agency that was looking for like reality talent like they were pitching me to come be on some reality show and i was like you know what you guys should do is you should come make a reality show here

because this thing this place is nuts like can you imagine a reality tv crew being in there with like you me uh old taryn uh burkle brandon nick i think that was ed i think that was the whole crew at the time um that would have been nuts like the deadlines were crazy the hours were crazy like things were kind of tense sometimes but respectful but tense and like it would have been it would have been such a window it would have been such a time capsule into an early stage of of like new media that i don't know if you'll ever be able to capture again it would have been really cool so cool they missed out they just like never replied to me i was like well i do wish that you're dumb would have been awesome uh anonymous asks sup lld can you give us a tldr version of the real

harm of big tech companies collecting and selling your data why should we care about it um you should care because of who they can sell it to and i get it right i think it's pretty easy to fall into the whole well i've got nothing to, so what does it matter kind of trap. But the thing is that you have nothing to hide today. I mean, women in the States didn't have anything to hide until very recently, potentially, with respect to medical procedures, for example. And like, look, there's a tech program. i'm not interested in taking a position on that matter i think i've made my thoughts on it pretty clear in the past but what i will say is that it is a prime example of something that didn't matter for your you know searches about uh day after

you know pills or whatever else um they didn't matter before and now all of a sudden they matter right insurance uh insurance company policies can change um the the the value of the data can change like something that that can be detected like some medication that you're on today they could find out something new about it. And all of a sudden, oh, it's a risk factor for Alzheimer's or who knows. And all of a sudden, yeah, sure, legally pre-existing conditions, something, something can affect your coverage, something, something, something. Yeah, sure, today. But things can change.

And once that data is out there, it's out there. And that's it. That's why it matters. and once that data is out there it's out there and that's it that's why it matters there's also a lot more that you can glean from that data than you might be than you might realize like there's there's old stories about how uh parents would figure out that their daughters were pregnant before i put your camera on so i could virtually high five you dan that they had at target yes good job dan got through them sorry i i talked over you luke sorry sorry go ahead i was just saying that sometimes there's more information that can be gleaned from um that data that you might realize as well. So they might know more about you than you think.

And, and also just like, you're, you're in a somewhat constant battle for the information that goes into your brain. And do you want to give that level of information about how you work to people that are spending gratuitous amounts of money to try to twist your actions and convince you to do things that you might not otherwise want to do um also the data is almost certainly going to leak julian s that's a really good idea i'm not going to read it out on the show so it can be a surprise for everyone but that's a pretty cool idea uh damon s hey linus dan and disconnecting luke i work in the trades and thus have so far been unaffected by the ai revolution do you guys see trades and other skilled labor positions being threatened not in the near future i mean i think that quote unquote unskilled labor um which i i

don't really like that term i don't think that uh i don't think that anyone who who is who works hard and and tries to do their job as best they can i don't think anyone like that is unskilled i've seen some wild you know youtube shorts or tiktoks of people who work on a on a box assembly line like like doing it faster than i could imagine any machine possibly could like i've seen stuff right there's there's no such thing as unskilled labor but um i do think that relatively lower skilled labor like unloading trucks is definitely at more risk than something like you know running data wiring in a in a in a new new construction or you know something like that but i don't think anything is forever but i do think that skilled labor you know like that requires apprenticeships and study and all that i do think that you guys are in a pretty

good position and i would strongly encourage people to pursue a career in trades right now. And it's hard to find, it's hard to find good trades people and they are valuable. Yes. And they charge a lot because they can. Tyler P. Hey, LLD and E. When's the last Linus- led development item that actually went through that's a good question uh wow i don't know yeah it's been a long time actually

this isn't something i've like tracked and and to be clear uh linus led development was more specifically like a if linus asked for something, we do it era. Linus still asks for things. It's just more of a conversation now. And sometimes we won't do it for various reasons. But it doesn't mean we're just automatically not doing things that Linus suggests. We still do tons of things that Linus suggests. We might not do it exactly at that time, or we might not do it exactly in that way.

But yeah, the reason why I refer to it as Linus led development is because all choices on what to work on and when we're effectively going, coming from, from Linus. And that wasn't working for a variety of reasons. That's a charitable way of putting it. If I can throw him a bone, it's not, it's not really his fault because he wasn't working for a variety of reasons. That's a charitable way of putting it. I wish if I could throw him a bone.

It's not really his fault because he wasn't working with the team. He didn't see the things that we need to be working on. He didn't see a lot of the stuff. He wasn't directly in that. So there's no way that it would have been possible

for it to be accurate. And as I've said in the past multiple times, it's more on me. I should have taken it over sooner, but I'm happy that I didn't take it over eventually. Anonymous asks, why do you guys think these companies are so focused on dedicated gaming devices

like Steam Deck, Ally, Claw, et cetera, when phones and tablets are becoming powerful enough to run good games? It's a different class. And you can go kind of, yeah, oh yeah, phones are going to get better and better and better. And it's like, yeah, so, so are those, right? And the fact that we can play, you know,

AAA, what used to be desktop class games on a portable handheld device now is pretty incredible. And it's going to be a long time before phones are going to catch up enough. And by that time, yeah, we'll probably get another generation of consoles, which is going to mean another generation of game developers pushing the boundaries in terms of graphical fidelity i i i i do think that it's a valid it's a valid in between piece and i think that it's going to see

a bit of a i think it's going to continue to see a bit of a renaissance i mean microsoft is rumored to be working on a portable xbox i think sony is rumored to be working on like a like a not playstation portal like actual new handheld so nintendo switch 2 is supposed to be basically switch 2 it's supposed to be another hybrid portable handheld i'm i'm very excited for for gaming portability i mean mean, the original Nvidia Shield, which was that little Android clamshell portable gaming handheld, reinvigorated my love of gaming because I had just had a kid

and I had no way to play games because I was never able to sit at my desk and it allowed me to stream like Tomb Raider and stuff like that. It was pretty cool. Seth asks, did Linus ever daily drive the one plus open uh no i really wanted to and bell took it home after or rather took it to a trade show after the short circuit and i was like yo i had wanted to take it to the trade show and he was like well uh i have it and i was like okay well can i get it from you after he goes yeah and i got it back and i have it and i was like okay well can i get it from you

after he goes yeah and i got it back and already from having been used for like a week or two the hinge didn't open all the way and i was like okay well so much for that is luke gone am i on my own i think he did luke you stopped moving moving and your cardboard stand-in fell over. Sorry, I accidentally kicked it. David T. says, Why did MSI repossess the laptops from your gaming minivan? You mentioned that in passing in a May 8th livestream. I don't know.

I think they might have been engineering samples, so they might have just needed to go back. And it's not like the sponsorship dollars still didn't come through. And if we don't keep the hardware from a sponsored project, like whatever, we got paid. We paid our everything's everything's hunky-dory but it means that there aren't actually computers in there right now and i've been putting off putting new ones in because i want to make a video about it so my poor kids just are like yo dad these screens uh don't do anything um i'm an okay parent. Matt C says, speaking of security theater, what's the most annoying IT rule you've ever dealt with?

Mine is not being able to access a site from mobile Safari when Safari on M series Mac is fine. Yeah, that is pretty irritating. I don't know if I can think of anything personally, but Luke, can you think of something? Dude, password rules. Oh my goodness. I recently had to create an account at a financial institution. I will not obviously name which one.

And they limit your passwords to 20 characters, maximum 20 characters. And I think they had a minimum as well. And then they had some requirements of what symbols you could use. And they're like, you have to use a symbol. But then the symbol that I chose to use, they're like, well, that one doesn't, like we actually don't recognize that as a character. So we're not even going to allow you to set a password

with that symbol in it, let alone not count it towards the minimum symbol required count. So they didn't allow a bunch of characters. And then they maximize the amount of characters that you could use. And I'm just like, dude is this is important financial accounts like you can't you actually can't just oh man yeah i don't know password rules drive me nuts constantly wow dan editorializing in the replies foldables are dumb anyway i mean the cases are pretty bad so ryan g definitely has a point

but uh wow what am i i'm not a news reporter wow dan um yasser k says hey dll linus when did you first realize that you were going to be held to a higher standard than most people deal with was there a moment that made you think i'm kind of famous thanks i don't know um there have been lots of little things that i've kind of looked at and i've gone like really um but i think part of the reason that i get held to such a sometimes um ridiculous standard is that we've always been very transparent we've always publicly held ourselves to very high standards so i think i've kind of created this for myself because people can i don't i don't think it's a function of being famous like leonardo dicaprio is super famous and no one seems to actually care that, you know, he hangs around with women who are, you know, several decades younger than him, even though that's like, you know, a behavior that would be weird if your like as far as I can tell everyone's, you know, legal age of consent and all of that,

but it's just like being famous doesn't necessarily mean that you're held to some kind of high moral standard or whatever. There's, there's an awful lot of like, ha ha. Oh, you, you know,

like I just, uh, yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't really know. I don't really know. I don't really know.

I don't really know what my deal is. In some cases with, with famous people where, uh, not only are they not held to a higher standard, they're actually held to a significantly lower standard. Like, uh, them, them acting like an idiot in whatever way will be aggressively defended by their fan base. It's like funny and endearing or something yeah yeah like it's it's it's weird like they they almost are allowed to get away with being more of a bad person yeah co co and lemon here completely the other way co and lemon here

is like yeah every rock and roll star ever with drugs like if if some if some nobody has the possession of of whatever then oh yeah they should get like the shit beat out of them by the police and they should go to jail but if a famous person it you know throws a party with like where the you know they bake bread with cocaine instead of flour it's like that's hilarious right like it's just yeah i don't know man yeah uh joseph a says hi llnd i'm writing data through conduit to a barn roughly 100 freedom units away should i use cat 6 or fiber 100 feet oh man, man. No, I'd go Cat6A. Go Cat6A.

Cat6A is boss tier. It's good. Jake N. How much do I need to spend to make Linus rub his head and pat his belly at the same time? I mean, you spent $194 on the store. I'd say that's probably good enough. on the store, I'd say that's probably good enough. It's really hard to do.

It's funny because I've done it the other way before, so I was all ready to pat my head and rub my belly. Like that one I can do no problem. Yeah, you got that down pretty good. But this one took me a second anywho there you go you got it adam k hi dl and dl digital luke minus do you have any advice for someone really interested in playing badminton in a region where community badminton groups are virtually non-existent thanks no it sucks it's one of those sports that can only be as big as the facilities to accommodate it. I know that a lot of groups here

will try to rent out like school gyms and stuff off hours. And that's something that's also pretty common over in Asia from what I've seen. But if those groups don't exist in your area, man, it's tough to get something going. It really is. Kevin M, happy days, everyone. I barely get to catch you all live.

As someone in the trades, are there any specific technologies like remote operation or autonomous operation of heavy equipment that excite you? I mean, I think we had a similar question a little while ago and like autonomous farming

with super precise geolocation and stuff. Man, that is super, super cool stuff. William C. says... I like farming stuff. Wow, thanks for contributing, Luke. Farming tech, I find to be very interesting. You're going to interrupt for that. I like farming stuff.

You like turtles too? I like farming things. I play... I like trains. Yeah, anyways. William C. asks, Linus, since your note 9 no longer gets security updates yeah it's pretty bad that i use this are you looking for a new phone i mean yeah i was and then you guys freaking saddled me with the wing that was a real i was i was having a conversation with y'all and you memed on me um are you looking for a new phone yes i wanted it to be the fair

phone 5 but that thing ended up totally sucking uh so no i'm not waiting for anything in particular i'm waiting for not being lazy and just getting a phone i probably will just go for another note something um or whatever the ultra whatever i. I don't use the stylus often, but I do like it. So I'll probably just go with a Samsung phone with a stylus. I kind of want a daily a Pixel though. Kind of tempted.

Anonymous says, DLL, how do you handle working with team members who disagree with the chosen solution and don't put in as much effort since it's not their solution. I'm a tech lead and I try to preach disagree but commit. I mean, it happens all the time. What I talk about is that, you know, as companies grow, you don't have to agree with every decision that the company does, but you do have to kind of like do your job. Um,

and if you disagree with enough of them consistently enough over time, and it never changes and you're voicing your opinion and it never changes, uh, maybe it's potentially time for you to move on. I guess you're the manager in this situation. So maybe it's time for them to move on. If they're consistently underperforming all the time because they don't appreciate company direction, that's a performance metric that you can talk to them about and potentially move them on because of that. But like, I don't know, you got to do your job sometimes you don't fully agree with all of what that is but i mean that can be okay fully agreeing with everything that anyone

else says is like never going to be a thing you're never going to be in 100% agreeance with anybody i disagree perfect i wish we could handshake through digitally that would be fantastic john m says i work in corporate audio visual and produce a lot of live events i wanted to ask what your biggest challenges were making lifestyle videos like pc or no pc thank you for the great work where oh man pc or no pc i'd say the biggest challenge with that one was that i asked one thing about the set i wasn't super particular about it i asked for one thing i asked that the jib shot which i knew was going to be a thing not look like crap so we couldn't just see that we were in an empty warehouse and i got there and i was like um i'd say the huge number

of moving parts because that's how things like that get overlooked because everyone has so much on their plate and time is so limited that it can be a real challenge to get all the details right like at the roast the audience wasn't miked that That destroyed the viewability of the VOD. They loved it. They were eating it up. The house was, it was such a great atmosphere. And the VOD on YouTube just doesn't capture it. And you can see in the comments,

people are like, wow, these jokes suck. They're so flat. The audience isn't even laughing at all. They were. They were freaking loving it. It was a great atmosphere. And it just, little details, little details are the hardest part

of those kinds of things. Tyler V says, hey, Luke, Luke, and Luke, I see you talk about turning down potential opportunities for massive profits. What is something massively profitable that you've had to turn down recently? Something other than the VPN. We talked about that last week. I don't think my team runs into this as often, but I do. am I muted? No, I don't think my team runs into this as often. The VPN is by far the best example that we have. Um, I, I think our best example of this

would be that we, we tend to always work on like the hardest stuff possible. Um, because we think it is, I don't know, more interesting, more, who knows, honorable? I have no idea. We tend to reach for, like, not just the highest fruit, but, like, can we climb a mountain to get to a tree that's taller to grab the fruit at the top of that one instead? That tends to be more the stuff that my team ends up working on. Not so much a business opportunity thing. So I think really the only really major, definitely hugely profitable business opportunity that we could have gone after is the VPN. There's been other offers from companies to like make video stuff for them

or do custom things like that. But I don't know that they would be hugely profitable. So, yeah. Timofey says, hey, LLD, how can one learn to master live storytelling and the art of recounting personal experiences in an engaging way how do you and ludwig share personal experiences so entertainingly well ludwig's not here so i can't answer for, but I think for me, I kind of alluded to this on the Yard podcast when I was on it. I think that one of the things that content creators have in common

generally is a degree of narcissism. I'm not saying that that means that every single youtuber has narcissistic personality disorder um like anything it's a spectrum right and i do think that disordered or not there's a certain degree of innate interest in oneself and assumption that other people should care about oneself that has to be there for you to for you to even practice the art of telling personal stories recounting personal thoughts and personal experiences for an audience you because otherwise, if you didn't think that people should want to hear it and should want to know about you, then you wouldn't push yourself to take those opportunities when a crowd is gathered to talk about yourself

and talk about things that have happened to you. And I don't think that you would get good at it. And it's like anything for me, I didn't start out being good at storytelling or anything like that. Everyone's born knowing nothing. But it's something that for whatever reason, I am compelled to practice. You know, when there's a conversation, my brain kind of goes, Oh, yeah, it's like that time that I and I want, I want to tell that story. You know, some people kind of goes, oh yeah, it's like that time that I, and I want to tell that story. You know, some people are more conservative. They're more just self-reflective.

They don't need to tell other people about things. But for me, it's like, I want to, right? So, practice is really the best thing that i can say luke doesn't need to add anything to that apparently okay philip p hi leg show uh luke what are your thoughts on directed just to you sorry no no no it was for both of us i think well it was for me and ludwig but he's not here so yeah uh luke what are your thoughts on cousins of birds the cousins of birds reptiles i myself have a small family three adults four children and eight eggs of crested geckos any tips for starting a business selling them i I, yeah, yeah, okay, sure. Go for it, Luke.

I don't know, dude. What? I have no idea. My mom, when I was growing up, used to breed and sell betta fish. My dad built this huge wall of cascading fish tanks so that the the water from one fish tank would kind of like flow into the next one and all this other kind of stuff it was all crazy and cool and he did a good job with it um and she used to sell them and i think it was mostly like like web 2.0 internet orders and stuff back then i don't even fully remember all of it i'd have to talk to both of them about

how they did it because i was pretty young at that time. But yeah, she would breed and sell betta fish. How exactly that worked, I don't know. Do I have any advice on selling reptiles? No, not even sort of. And I know basically nothing about them other than whenever I see geckos, I think they're neat. That's pretty much it. Sorry. Good effort, Luke. Good effort.

Hi, DLL. I recently turned my side project into a software as a service and getting requests from fans to become affiliates. Any thoughts on what makes a successful affiliate program? Well, you're going to get pretty biased um version of that from me obviously what makes an affiliate program successful from a from a media standpoint is that it has to have a strong payout it has to have a compelling reason for people to use it amazon had that cool like smile thing for a long time where like they donated proceeds or something like that. Like you've got to, you've got to engage with people emotionally to make them want

to use your affiliate program. Um, one of the things that we look for is recurring revenue. So if this is a, if this is a software as a service product where your revenue is recurring, we expect our referrals to be recurring. Um, um but hey you may not find that that's the most successful thing for your side and you may find that it's better to to cut off the you know leech influencers or whatever who promote your product but um yeah that's something that you're going to have to kind of solve for yourself we have not figured out how to build a successful affiliate program for ltt store even though that's something that we have talked about and something that we would like to explore in the future. Brandon B.

Hi, DLL. I'm a woman working in the male-dominated AV industry in a technical director slash supervisor role. What advice do you give female managers who receive pushback from male peers or subordinates? Man, I feel like this is a conversation that i've had so many times to such frustrating ends um with my wife i mean we've talked about this on on the wan show i think pretty recently so i'm not going to talk about it for too long but just the way that people will talk past her to me you know even if she's the one that is

sent has sent every email leading up to this in-person meeting even if she's the one that is answering every one of their questions like they're laser locked eye contact with me instead of talking to her and um you know the cold hard truth is people are gonna be like that and all you can really do is do your best and kick ass and you know what those people right um i'm sorry i'm sorry that i don't have like a a for you. I mean, frankly, if I did, I'd be mansplaining it anyway, I suppose. So like, I don't know. I don't know what I'm about.

But for real, you know, my general approach has all to business because I'm not that good at like schmoozing. And I always get a kick out of conspiracy theories about how I like am in bed with you know executives at every company in bed figuratively right um and I have I'm doing all these like backroom deals man I don't I don't do I don't deals with anybody I don't even like talking to people um you guys are the exception and I think it's it's mostly tolerable because you're basically a camera

like I'm not actually the kind of person who craves, um, like a ton of human interaction. I got into this because I liked to play video games by myself in my basement. Right. So let's be, let's be, uh, let's be real here. Um, so sorry, where was I going? Where was I going with this? Right, right, right, right, right. So my philosophy has always been like, I'm just going to let the quality of the work speak for itself. And if you need something from me, because that looks good to you, then you'll figure it out. You'll come to me and we'll do business. And if you can't get over that, well then f*** you, right? What do I care? I'll do business with someone else and I'm doing okay. But you know, hey, look, I obviously am speaking from a very privileged position here, right?

Like you're already talking about these challenges that you're receiving. Um, but I really do believe the only thing you can do is just kick ass. Just keep doing it. You're clearly doing all right. Sounds like they are. Yeah. But just keep going. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Chase K says, Hey DLL for the smaller l i'm starting to play ano 1800 i keep losing around the artisan stage any tips on getting past it or better setups okay so you definitely got to figure out uh the efficiency of your production if you don't figure out how to boost the production of your farms and how to start using um unions with their like boosting items and and laying out your

industry efficiently so that all of your all of your raw goods are able to be transported quickly and efficiently you're going to have a really really hard time getting past that you've also got to figure out inter-island trade routes. So I'd say those are the main things to focus on. Also small backpack when? I have a sample that I'm supposed to be wear testing in Taiwan, but I might have forgotten it in my office. And I don't know if I have it with me, but I'm going to get all my stuff moved over soon.

And hopefully soon-ish. Mason G. Wan Stars. Oh, that's a new one. I'm struggling at work with supervisors not following company guidelines and personal boundaries emailing at 11 p.m sharing personal information with other employees any advice this is a tough one and it's funny because like we take these kinds of guidelines extreme and laws in many cases laws uh whether they're guidelines or whether they're laws, we take these kinds of things very seriously here. And we recognize that there's enormous, you know, liability.

And so I think a lot of the time you guys hear a very employer perspective from me, because if we put a toe out of line, the liability to our company and to me personally is actually enormous. Reliability to our company and to me personally is actually enormous. But we live in a place where employee protection regulations are extremely strong. And that's not the case everywhere. And we also work in an environment full of people who could just get a job somewhere else and be making great money somewhere else if they felt like it. We have an extremely skilled team. And not everybody is in such a privileged position to be in demand um the way that a lot of members of our team

really are so you might be in a position where speaking out um is not something that is covered or protected and finding new employment in your field could be extremely challenging for you. And it's something that honestly, I don't, I don't have a ton of experience with. I mean, obviously, you know, having conversations, starting with an I feel statement, like these are things you'll find in any guide for how to, how to interact with people. But if people don't respect your boundaries, um, there's nothing that I or anyone can do to protect you from the potential consequences. If they ultimately just decide to just not respect them. And I hear horror stories about other workplaces and,

and the kind of employee treatment that, that takes place there. And I just don't really i don't really know how to reconcile how any of that makes sense in in in good faith human interaction i'm sorry brian m how do i get refills for the pen still getting one before knowing uh they take they take standard parker g2 refills so you can just buy any that they come with a schmidt easy flow 9000 medium um but you can just fill it with whatever parker g2 refill you want they're common archive anonymous what's your

current use of the note 9 um daily what do you recommend for less technical relatives iphones honestly i typically get a new device when support is dropped yeah yeah i really should robert d asks how's the tycan holding up i just hit two years with my 4s wagon and it's amazing except the software bugs are awful sometimes i like it can't list music files on a usb drive or the nav voice nav voice unmutes itself uh mine's not too buggy occasionally it'll like kind of have a little moment and android auto connectivity can be kind of a pain in the butt sometimes but overall it's been pretty darn okay except when it's in the shop um like there's a recall for the

windshield heater or something right now i have to take it in for but it's summer so i'll deal with it later okay we're so close you guys we're so close um thornton no we're not doing an episode of me playing badminton no one cares about that but thank you for the suggestion liam b good eye from australia when do you expect proper neural interfaces to be a thing i have no idea but they sound cool tanner lld as someone involved in north american manufacturing what's the thoughts on insuring some manufacturing even if it understandably increases cost in theory it's great in practice um even the most ethically minded consumers seem to really struggle to maintain that when their ethics are reflected in an increased cost at the till um like i was blown away by almost no maintenance of that whatsoever

statistically i was blown away by the number of americans who use Shein as their primary source of clothing. Like, I just look at it and I'm like, well, this is trash. How about no? Like, navigate somewhere else. But fast fashion, man, it's a killer. Chris L. Since we all seem to generally agree that this timeline has gone to hell, what year or event was the turning point for you interested to hear all of your opinions all right well why don't we let dan go first because he seems to be too relaxed now that he's gotten everything done i'm still going through it i'm just i'm teasing him um let me think i think it was probably the release of uh the 30. We've been seeing so

many really, really good price-to-performance increases from the GPU market, and then it just started to fall off. Now, since then, we're moving into other fields like AI and things like that, so the consumer space for better and better GPUs is kind of becoming

boring. I don't know. There's not a lot to get super excited about anymore. At least from that side of things. Luke, do you want to go next? Yeah, I think mine's significantly older than that. I think Dan's

lines up kind of with COVID. Not exactly, but pretty close. Oh, am I gone? No, you're still here. No, okay, cool. But there was a marker, I think around like 2014, 2014, 2012, around there, where like, you know, income versus housing started spreading apart in a really bad way. Suicide rates started going up, like a lot of things just started getting bad.

I don't remember all the reasons for it. I've looked into it before. And the reasons made sense, but I don't remember what they are. But it was kind of around that era where things started to just kind of get worse for a very significant amount of people. And it's been continuing to get worse for a lot of those similar people. You've identified the second inflection point of the hockey stick. It started a little earlier. It started more like in the late 70s to early to mid 80s. And basically that was when that was when executive pay started to dramatically outpace median pay. That was when housing prices started to dramatically outpace increased earning power of the worker. Yeah, that's that's basically when everything completely in the world went to shit uh at least in like the western world you know within our limited sort of worldview um but if i had to have a tech answer i'm gonna go with mobile

gaming oh yeah i uh i misinterpreted the the question no you both that your answers are great very much agree with linus yeah that was that was bad reaganomics was not good um jeffrey linus are you still enjoying your large chinese tv in your theater do you think tvs above 120 inches will be under eight thousand dollars anytime soon i love my 150 inch projector but would totally swap for better black levels no i don't think that's coming anytime soon even that eleven thousand dollar tv turns out the msrp in north america is going to be like twenty three thousand dollars and it doesn't cost that much to transport it across the ocean so i don't know i don't know what tcl is smoking over there um i

think they recognize that consumers over here will be willing to pay a lot more for it and they're just basically taking advantage of that so yeah yeah you can't can't blame them it's their technology if you don't like it then uh don't buy it i guess but um no time soon there's a lot of logistical challenges around products that big already and going bigger is not going to reach that sort of commodity pricing in the near future i don't think and i think is that it we will see you again next week same bad time same bad channel bye with a big delay oh my god let me go i'm still there get me out of here sorry Let me go. I'm still there. Get me out of here. Sorry, Luke.