The WAN Show - AMD is NOT Ripping Off Intel - WAN Show April 30, 2021

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With Uber Reserve, you can book your Uber ride in advance. 90 days in advance. Perfect for all you forward thinkers and planning gurus. Reserve your Uber ride up to 90 days in advance. Uber Reserve. See Uber app for details. Did you resume? I did. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to The WAN Show. We have a fantastic show for you guys today. Actually, lots of fun topics today. We're going to be talking through AMD's Zen 5 Strix Point, which is apparently going to be a three nanometer processor. That is not many nanometers.

That's like a very low amount of nanometers. That's a few nanometers. That's it. There's some pretty big news on the gaming monitor front. There's going to be the first 390 hertz monitor coming. And what else we got today? Much Samsung Wow plus 350 Ti. Different screens. Very interesting different screens. Also, are your games stuttering at home are you having stuttering issues blame windows nothing else only windows yeah specifically bill gates we'll talk about that are we gonna do

the whole like base camp imploding conversation we can uh yeah let's we'll talk about we'll talk about that later let's uh we'll tiptoe intro. Yeah, it seems like it might be a tender topic. Yeah. Tender. Yeah. Get tendies. Tendies. Tendies.

Tendies. hey why don't we jump right into our headline topic i can't remember what it is uh yes amd is not ripping off intel allow me to explain it would be pretty easy to say, oh, hey, wait, hold on a second. I mean, AMD is releasing a hybrid CPU. That just sounds a lot like Intel Alder Lake, which is the code name for their 12th generation Core Series processors, which are going to use high-performance Golden Cove cores alongside power-saving Gracemont cores, with the idea being that you get performance when you need it and power-saving when you don't. But in fact, Intel is not the first one to have that idea, and there's a whole lot else going on with their Zen 5 architecture that has

really nothing to do with what Intel's doing. So first things first, Zen 5 will apparently be based on TSM3's N3 process node, which I think they're just kind of changing up the nomenclature on us. I actually didn't know that they call them, okay, maybe they're not because they're referring to their 7 nanometer as N7. So i've just never heard that branding for it before go figure so their n3 process node is two full nodes away from amd's current seven nanometer node with tsmc and it's claimed to be 1.7 times as dense as five nanometer which is itself 1.8 times as dense as seven nanometer and we are expecting somewhere in the neighborhood of a 50 plus percent increase in power efficiency compared to 7 nanometer. And wow, so 15% faster

than 15% faster. So what would that be? Something like 35 or so, 35 or so percent faster than 7 nanometer as well. Now, AMD has a tendency to do major architecture changes in their odd-numbered releases. So Zen 5 is expected to be a big update over Zen 4 with significant memory subsystem changes. But the big new feature is, of course, big little or hybrid chip design. And we've seen this before in ARM CPUs in particular, SOCs, I guess I should say, because there's a lot more than just a CPU in them. But your phone, assuming you have one that was built in,

I don't know, Luke, five years, six? Quite a while, yeah. When did the first big little ARM designs show up? First released. Looking it up. First released. Looking it up. I'm Googling this. Arm big little. Here we go.

Heterogeneous, blah, blah, et cetera. Come on, give me a year, ladies and gentlemen. Give me a year. I don't know. It doesn't matter. We're not going to be able to do that. But it's been around for a while in mobile, with the main benefit being that you can shut off,

or at least mostly shut off, those big, powerful cores when you're doing something like periodically checking for notifications for email or whatever. And then when it's time to retouch a photo, then boom, the heavy cores kick in and you're ready to rock. And Apple's M1 very recently was the first to bring this to the desktop. Intel will follow according to their roadmap later this year. And then Zen 5 will apparently rock. Interesting. So the code name for the Zen 5 APU is going to be StrixPoint. It makes total sense that this is something that would be more of an APU-focused feature because that's the kind of CPU...

AMD, AMD kills me. An APU is the kind of CPU... So no, according to AMD, it's an APU. According to Intel, it's a CPU because most of their consumer chips just have graphics on them anyway. But that's what makes something an APU according to AMD. So an APU is the kind of CPU that would end up in something like an office computer. And you guys might not know this, but there are some new efficiency standards coming, particularly in places like Japan, that are going to force mass production computers to implement new power saving ideas like integrating the 12 volt to 5 and 3.3 volt conversion on, sorry, did I say, so moving that DC to DC conversion onto the motherboard instead of doing it in the power supply.

We saw this with Intel's 12 VO like prototype power supply and some ASRock board. And it made a huge difference. It absolutely blew me away how much of a difference it made. And doing something like this, big little, is going to help meet those kinds of efficiency standards because one of the big things that it improved upon was idle efficiency. So actually, when that system was under load, the power consumption was relatively close to just a normal system because when you're under load, the things that kick in are going to be your CPU and your GPU. Both of those are powered predominantly off of 12 volt, CPU and your GPU. Both of those are powered predominantly off of 12 volt, but everything else is running all the time. And so it's your idle power consumption where you're going to actually save by not having those low voltage lines where you're going to, the lower the voltage is,

the less efficient it is. That's why the power lines coming into your house, for example, or well, not into your house, because the ones coming into your house are actually typically around the same voltages um what your house actually runs but the ones coming into the substation in your neighborhood run at much higher voltage than the lines that are going to your house um because it's it's just way less efficient to run at low voltages so uh this is going to help with that because amd is going to have these CPUs that will absolutely sip power when they're not really doing anything. And then we'll still have, hopefully, the horses. I mean, eight big cores is still pretty good. I mean, we're talking, oh, yeah, and also mobile.

So they'll have decent GPUs built right into the CPU. That's what makes it an APU. They'll have these big little CPU cores, so they will sit power and they will... What was the other thing I was going to say? Yeah, well, basically, I guess that's it. So they have an expected release date of

2024. And as for naming, AMD's Zen 3 Plus refresh, codenamed Warhol, is rumored to be delayed or canceled with an accelerated Zen 4 launch instead. So in terms of branding, Zen 3 refresh, Ryzen 6000, Zen 4 and Zen 5, then Ryzen 7 and 8000. And then maybe Zen 3 refresh would be like XT, like 5000T, and then Zen 4 and 5 or 6 and 7000. We don't know. I just I really wish that AMD hadn't screwed things up, you know, 20 years ago with their plus branding, because that would have made it really simple these days. Right, Luke?

They could have just gone, OK, yeah yeah every new zen architecture you get a new thousand number and then every plus architecture you put a plus at the end but they don't they screwed it up they screwed it up they had they had pluses at the end of four digit numbers way back then and that wasn't what it meant so now it's all ruined not that there's any continuity in in these product naming schemes anyway. I mean, they're clearly all making it up as they go along. What is RTX? I mean, it's having... That one's not too bad.

Real-time ray tracing. That one's kind of okay. Okay, fine. So I'm reading in here a lot of talk about desktop processors, but this seems way more like a mobile play. What do you think? Oh, absolutely. I mean, that's where you're going to get the vast majority of the benefits.

So being able to kick in those high-performance cores when it's time to hook up an external GPU and play a game, but being able to run on those four cores while you're editing a text document in Google Docs or something like that is pretty much the only chance that x86 has of getting competitive with ARM in laptops, which all of a sudden is going to be a freaking thing. I mean, we talked about this last week.

Not only is ARM already a thing in notebooks. I mean, it's not like Qualcomm doesn't have notebook design wins that are out there, although I don't think anyone cares about them. But more importantly, I mean, NVIDIA is clearly working on a notebook CPU that is going to be ARM-based. So once that starts to happen, I mean, Apple has already made the transition

to ARM for mobile and desktops. Well, Apple's moving to ARM with everything. All of a sudden, the barbarians are at the gates, x86. Like, you got gotta catch up here it's been it's been years since big little existed on arm i'm assuming there are technical challenges that made it very difficult but that doesn't change the fact that you're just like gonna have to do it yeah now in terms of what intel is gonna have to compete a mobile Alder Lake processor has actually already leaked on Geekbench with six big and eight little cores, a base frequency of 800 megahertz, and a max frequency of 4.7

gigahertz. Rumors suggest that the desktop's queue will be a 16-core layout with an 8 plus 8 configuration, which means that Intel might not be performance competitive with amd on the desktop for at least another year i mean i think it's gonna be more than that well i said at least yeah in my defense i put a lot of emphasis on the at least yeah yeah yeah okay i'll give you that but yeah i think it's gonna be a while so it's rumored to support or it's not rumored it's like almost certain to support ddr5 so it's gonna come on a new lga 1700 socket which will be totally incompatible with current coolers i mean it was a good run you know you can criticize intel all you want for changing their their board making you change your board every time you want to upgrade your cpu or whatever but one thing they have done really well is maintained cooler

compatibility for i mean when did clarkdale come out uh intel clarkdale cpu launch that was in 2010 for over 10 years you've been able to reuse your intel cpu you're like aftermarket intel cpu probably haven't even really thought about it that's pretty cool now amd depending on how your cooler manufacturer implemented their compatibility with AMD. AMD actually can go back even farther. So if you have an AMD cooler that uses the clips around the plastic brackets around the socket, like just the little hooks, you can go all the way back to socket 754, which launched in 2003.

which launched in 2003 so intel managed our amd is going on 15 years pretty soon of cooler compatibility it does kind of help when you when you take a essentially a sabbatical in the middle of that though that's true that's true there was a there was a bit of a gap in the like having cpus that anyone cared about um sort of uh excuse me um and to be clear amd's like compatibility unless if you don't use the little hooks it is is no that's a mess because socket 754 and if i recall correctly 939 both two screws, like two bolts through the board into the back plate. And then AM whatever started being four. And then AM4 actually moved them, if I recall correctly. So it's like two this way and like two kind of like that. And then of course, there's the enthusiast socket, Threadripper, you know, all that kind of stuff that's not compatible. But then that was true on Intel as well. On the server side, the mounting holes did move around a fair bit in that

time period. This is a long aside, not very important. The new socket will need additional pins to support USB 4 and PCI Express Gen 5, and AMD will also be changing sockets because, you know, these new connectivity standards. So AM4 is is going away but we have no information about what am5 might look like and it's actually been rumored that amd might go lga instead of sticking with pins which i mean luke how do you feel about that luke i mean you've had to personally repair the pins on an am4 cpu i'm upset i'm upset i had to deal with the struggles everyone else should have to deal with it too uh no no i think that's a good thing can i just take a moment to talk about what a big load of horseshit that argument is yeah it's terrible you know we

shouldn't we we shouldn't forgive any student loan debt because, you know, I had to pay it. Like, never mind. Never mind that, you know, your generation's student loans were a fraction of what they are now. Not to mention that you didn't have to go nearly as deep into your post-secondary education in order to have meaningful credentials. Like, OK, well, this could be this could be a very long aside. Like, OK, well, this could be this could be a very long aside. But like, you know, it's it's it's very it's very frustrating to me that, you know, in the 60s, in the 70s, a high school diploma actually was considered a job credential. Now it's basically considered, you know, uncomfortable toilet paper. And if you don't have a bachelor's degree, don't even bother for a lot of positions. And then in the same way, what used to be a bachelor's degree type of position back in the, you know, mid to latter part of the 20th century, now they're going to ask for a master's. So on the

one hand, school costs have gone like this and the requirement for credentials has gone like this. So not only does this generation, the Zoomer generation, have to deal with the fact that they had to pay more for school, they had to pay for it longer, their rent was more expensive, the general cost of living is way higher. Like it's, here I am going on a very, this is a very political, it's a political conversation, Luke. We're starting a political conversation here.

But to me, just like having a functioning society where people can afford to live based on going to work and not be starving is not political. That's just basic. Some people are kind of pushing against those aspects. Some people are trying to make sure that they they weigh portfolios and examples of work quite highly during hiring processes and stuff sure i mean we do but not everyone does no for sure and it is harder like i understand why someone

trying to be lazy wouldn't want to do that because like it's pretty easy to go into someone's resume and be like yep that's a bachelor from a reputable school cool i mean except that you might that person you know because or whatever a lot of just because the school is reputable doesn't mean that that program wasn't basically an adult day care um you know we've we've hired people or not hired we have interviewed people based on their credentials who ended up being absolute hot garbage that we would never consider hiring. So, um, this is great. McGregor M 95 says, I have this conversation with my father once a week. And based on your username, I'm guessing you're a zoomer born in 95. Yeah. It sounds it's just it's it's just it's ridiculous like i'm sitting here i tweeted about this a little while ago it shouldn't be a controversial

hot take that i want my kids to be able to afford to live in the city that they grew up in you know what i mean like yeah why is why is that all of a sudden a radical idea you hear stories about like oh yeah when i went to university i like paid for my whole degree didn't have student loans when i came out of it lived in a decently large basement suite by myself and worked a part-time job like on the weekends to pay for it all and it's just like what what fantasy land did you live in? Yeah, it's called the 80s, Luke. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're pretty far off of three nanometer process nodes, though.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you know what? It's not that far off of one of the other topics that we said that. OK, hold on a second. Hold on a second. No, no, no, no, no, no. That is incorrect. Someone in the Twitch chat is like, it all comes down to overpopulation.

No, it doesn't., it all comes down to overpopulation. No, it doesn't. No, it comes down to, and I'm not singling out any individuals, it comes down to a particular generation of people swooping in like locusts, consuming absolutely everything in their path, and then putting up obstacles and barriers to make sure that nobody else can do the same thing. I mean, in the 60s, in the 70s, zoning, like city zoning was hardly a thing. So if you needed to, you know, build a bunch of inexpensive housing, you basically just YOLOed it and housing was affordable. Now, to be clear, a lot of the protections that are put in place to, you know, prevent soil erosion into rivers and to make sure that, you know, forest replanting is more sustainable or like whatever, a lot of that makes sense, but a lot of it doesn't. A lot of the time

you end up with a bunch of nimby that prevents making things more affordable because a certain generation has, particularly here in Canada, the vast majority of their wealth tied up in real estate and doesn't want to see it impacted because that's what they banked on. But unfortunately, it is basically a vampric effect on the next generation because them holding on to that wealth means that the next generation is basically just throwing all their money away on rent and interest payments so i'm sorry this is this has become this has become yeah and like travon there was an article that came out fairly recently that was like i don't remember who's millennials or what category it was, but it was like, you might just have to wait for your inheritance to be able to buy a house. And it was like, I had a really, well, I moved recently, as you know.

So I had a very interesting conversation with a mortgage broker recently, not because we ended up using a mortgage broker, because middle middlemen never actually are a better deal. mortgage broker because middle middlemen never actually are a better deal they're just really useful for comparison shopping and putting pressure on the actual banks that actually issue the mortgages so anyway had a really interesting conversation um that basically went yeah like in this housing boom that's been going on in canada right now probably a solid and turns out the real numbers because there's an article that came out recently that had sort of some real numbers, but how they felt anecdotally was about half of the people buying houses at these ludicrous prices.

Like Canadian housing has gone up like 23% in the last year, something stupid like that. It's bonkers, yeah. And to be clear, to be clear, Canada ain't overpopulated, all right? Not even close. Let's just cut off that conversation right about now um i just want to give two quick things to it sorry if you look at a population map of canada it's very funny because essentially the entire population is a

very very thin line against the u.s border all the way across canada it's just this really thin line against the U S border all the way across Canada. It's just this really thin line. The other one is we still, as far as I know, have less people in all of Canada than just California. So it's way less. Yeah. It's way less. Um,

so anyway, they were saying about half of the people buying houses at these ridiculous prices. We're only able to afford the down payments because that the previous generation that shall not be named views housing as this infallible sort of investment that basically carried them through their entire lives because as wages eroded relative to the cost of living, they were able to lean on the equity that was built up in these home investments. Home is supposed to be a place to

live. It's not supposed to be your primary form of investment. That's a whole other conversation. But they believe so strongly in it and they are leaving this money to the younger generation and then kind of dumping it right back into this, propping up this bubble. It's horrifying and it's not tech related. No one seems to care so far but uh uh travonis says the rich like being rich linus that's that's why it is the way it is the funny thing about it though is it's not this particular problem is not necessarily the rich we're talking about people who are house rich that doesn't necessarily mean just because someone's net worth is a million dollars does not mean that they actually have a million dollars of liquidity. Like when you live in a house that is worth a million dollars, if everyone, say, for example, were to get old and pass away, you know, within a short span of time, that that value has to depreciate unless something kind of weird

and crazy happens in order to prop it up. You don't actually have that cash. So you need somewhere to live. So when you sell it, you have to put it right back into somewhere to live. Or when you sell it, a bunch of others are going to sell like from the same cohort are going to sell it around the same time and there's going to have to be some kind of crash. So just saying the rich is too simplistic, but I also understand where this resentment comes from, because you've got literal generations of people between the millennials and Zoomers now that see the very idea of being able to own a a detached home as for the rich. It wasn't even like that that long ago. When my wife and I bought our house, it was 11 years ago. Luke, do you know how much we paid for our house, which I have heard people call a mansion in YouTube comments. It's not a mansion.

It's about 2,200 square feet. It's not actually that big for a detached home. It has a really nice yard, though, which is because it was built in the 80s, back when you could build houses with a yard and actually make money as a developer. It's a whole other conversation. But we paid $580,000 Canadian dollars.

So that's around $475 US at the current exchange rate. That's not entirely unreasonable. Nowadays, you'd be lucky to get a townhouse and that would be farther out of the city at half the size for that money. It has only been 11 years. It's not sustainable. It's absolutely disgusting. I am rooting for a housing crash. I can't wait for it. Because when I say I want my kids to be able to afford to live in this city,

I'm speaking figuratively. My kids' parents will be able to help them out. That's the way it is. We've been very lucky. We've worked worked very hard we've had a great degree of success my kids aren't going anywhere unless they want to but it's not just about that what about their whole way of living um yeah nacho warrior we can talk about that too it's a whole separate issue the whole investors causing serious problems and the whole fact that you've got uh i think it's oh man what is it like one in every five homeowners in vancouver owns more than one home that's that's pretty problematic anyway i'm talking about like the way of living what if my kids could afford to stay here but literally everyone they ever knew in their entire life moved away because they cannot afford to be

here like and it like and it it it makes a ton of sense to move away one of my best friends in high school lives on the island now because and get this he's a doctor i'm not talking he has a phd in like you know mineral studies or something like he is a PhD in like, you know, mineral studies or something. Like he is a medical doctor practicing. And he was like, yep, this makes no sense. See you later. Now, he's a king of pragmatism. So even though he could afford to live here, he chooses not to because it doesn't make any sense.

You know, my sister-in-law no longer lives in the city. That means my kids don't see their cousins. So the effects of the lack of affordability are far reaching. Anyway, why don't we talk about something else for a little bit? The first 390 hertz monitor is coming. Should we talk about the first 390 hertz monitor? Sure. Let's do it. All right. Hit me. What are the deets? Hit me with the deets. first 390 hertz monitor is coming should we talk about the first 390 hertz monitor sure let's let's all right hit me what are the deets hit me with the not that you're going to be able to buy a graphics card that can run it but the acer nitro xv2 is a 360 hertz ips panel that can overclock to a whopping 390 hertz it's 1080p but fast as heck and it's 24.5 inches it has a 0.5 to 1 ms response time

and its rumored price is to be 730 us dollars acer pulls away from the competition by an extra 30 hertz uh there are other 360 hertz but this is the first one that can like officially oc to 390 uh asus has an rog swift that runs at 360 and there's the alienware 25 gaming monitor as well since it requires an overclock it might not be guaranteed to be 100 stable but considering they're saying like it can overclock to 390 i think it'd be pretty surprising if it wasn't uh wasn't too too. Yeah. So, big f***ing deal. I'm not trying to be a hater, but... I'm not about to be too interested in going back to 1080p. That's one thing for me.

I do know for a fact there will definitely be CSGO people that'll be all over this. 100%. For sure. The thing about it is that 30 hertz is... of fact there will definitely be csgo people that'll be all over this 100 for sure the thing about it the thing about it is that 30 hertz is uh a lot you know 30 times per second 30 hertz at that level when you go when you go from 60 hertz to 90 hertz you are talking about a difference in like what what does that work out to? About five milliseconds. Potentially, you could get information five milliseconds earlier.

I mean, that's the difference for a lot of people between gaming on a local area network and on like an internet connected server. This is a significant difference. Oh yeah, for sure. When you go from, one moment please, let me bring up my calculator here. Okay, so when you go from, one moment, please. Let me bring up my calculator here. Okay, so when you go from 360 to 390, it is an 8% improvement, which by the time you're at 360, so hold on one moment, please.

Let's take one second divided by 360. So that is about 2.7 milliseconds per frame. I think I'm doing the math right here. And then, so hold on, times 0.92 because we've got it. Okay, so it's 2.55 milliseconds per frame. So we're talking about literally a fraction of a millisecond of difference now now less latency definitely more better but i would be very surprised and i'm not yeah he's not saying it's worse no it's not you're getting into pretty slim margins this isn't a monitor for most people yes um like like i pointed out like the the counter-strike fanatics are probably going to go for it and i hope they love it but yeah this is not this is not like if you're like yeah i'm

having a lot of fun uh trying to get to to gold and apex legends silver has been really entertaining like it probably doesn't matter. Don't worry about it too much. I have a hard time imagining who this would matter for, but I'm never going to hate on faster computers for the sake of faster computers. Yeah.

You know what I mean? You know, actually... Yeah, push the limit, right? It didn't even occur to me to look into what refresh rate the new iMacs are running at. I would love to see Apple just kind of put pressure on the rest of the industry to move to high refresh rate displays and everything.

They did it on the iPad Pro. And I was like, oh, yeah. Heck, yeah, man. It's happening. It's happening. And then they just didn't. Kind of dropped it. They just completely dropped it iphone mac everything

they're like yeah that was pretty cool we got a lot of really great feedback for this hyper responsiveness of this display put that in my back pocket think about it consider it out one day we need some good sentiment we'll leave it for now a few years from now we'll we'll talk about it yeah um yeah yusef says we're at diminishing returns at 360 hertz oh 100 i mean quite notably yeah 360 hertz does feel significantly smoother i would say i would say that's where i expect to see the biggest difference going forward, not in terms of responsiveness anymore, but in terms of animation smoothness. Because you've got to remember, your eyes don't see in frames per second. That question of how many FPS does the eye see, it's not correct. The way the eye sees is not like that.

The pink goo that lives behind them doesn't process in frames. It actually can do so much. The fact that we can display content in frames per second and see it as smooth is because of the magic goo. So the way that we see is actually dependent on what we're looking at. For example, we are far more sensitive to motion, for example, in our peripheral vision compared to things that are stationary. That's not something that you can express as frames per second.

So my expectation is that, especially as we move to OLED displays and as refresh rates get to the 500 hertz or 1000 hertz range is we're going to see a difference in our ability to track an opponent or track a target based on the clarity of the image and the smoothness of the animation as opposed to it actually being

about getting a competitive edge by seeing your opponent or seeing the information before your opponent does. We should probably talk about our sponsors at some point here. Starting with... Sorry, just before you go into it,

that monitor that you had at the office when we were doing my... 360. 360, yeah. That was smooth, weren't it? Mine is 144. Yeah. just before you go into it, that monitor that you had at the office when we were doing my 360. Yeah. So mine is 144. Yeah. And that's okay.

So that's a big jump, but that was very noticeable. Yes. So yeah, I don't know. Very noticeable. It made you kind of want one like that, didn't it?

It did, but I also don't want to game at 10 AP. So maybe in the future sometime. Yep. We need one more DisplayPort refresh and then we'll be able to do really high refresh rate 1440p displays and that will be sick. That'll be killer.

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Oh, what just happened? Sorry. Sorry about that. All right. Why don't we jump into our next big topic for the day? Should we get political again, Luke? Do you want to get political? I was trying to prep for it.

Let's talk about what happened at Basecamp. First of all, what is Basecamp? They make a few different things. I think probably most notably as of late would be Hey, the email thing. And that would be because of the controversy that they had with, I believe it was specifically Apple, but it was like the

cut that mobile platforms are taking. So you've probably heard of them. We've talked about them on the WAN Show before because of their Hey email app, but they have also done other things it's not just that okay and uh what's going on at base camp right now okay so there was this has been interesting to track because the amount of sub tweeting that has gone on around this has been immense and what i mean by that is people just like tweeting angrily but not explaining why um i've noticed over the last few days that my feed i follow a lot of developers and stuff

my feed has exploded and it actually took me a while to get to the bottom of of what was going on uh so on monday base camp ceo published a blog post where he outlined a bunch of changes in the company and by a bunch i genuinely mean like a lot. They don't even seem to be all like related. Like that's kind of the bizarre thing about this to me. Well, it's one of the bizarre things. Carry on. They're kind of all over the place. And he actually defines it as a version change.

So like, like a version change of the company, like this is a big sweeping massive change um it it it he breaks it down into a variety of sections so i'm actually gonna skip the first one because that's the one that it seems like most people have problems with and i'm gonna go to the more simple ones first um so no forgetting what we do here he says we make project management team communication and email software we are not a social impact company blah blah that bothered some people for sure um no more 360 reviews that's talking about like essentially they're not going to do peer feedback reviews they're going to do

direct managerial reviews uh no more lingering or dwelling on past decisions which is a really fun company rule good luck with that one what does that even mean we've become a bit too precious with decision making over the last few years either by wallowing in indecisiveness worrying ourselves into overthinking things yeah okay uh it's for sure it's a it's a problem you don't want to get stuck like scared of making decisions because of past problems but like wow a bit of an interesting company rule to not linger on uh past decisions no more committees for nearly all of our 21 year existence we were proudly committee free no big working groups making big decisions or blah blah essentially no big committees no more paternalistic benefits and this took me a second literally had to google this um essentially they they used to have a a fund they offered a fitness benefit a wellness

allowance a farmer's market share continuing education allowances like all this other kind of stuff and they're cutting they're cutting that off. They are introducing a 10% profit sharing plan. But they, they like, they don't, before it was like, we want to help you spend in these ways. And they're canning that. They're just doing the 10% profit sharing plan. Now here's the big one.

This is the one that seems to have lit most of the fires. There's quite a few things in here that people are going to get pretty aggravated about, for sure. But this one seems to be the bonfire out of all the... Okay, can you relax? Can you calm down? This one seems to be the bonfire out of all the other small fires. No more societal and political discussions on our company base camp account today's social and political waters are especially choppy sensitivities are at 11 and every discussion remotely related

politics uh advocacy or society at large uh quickly spins away from pleasant yeah um so these were all pretty impactful to a lot of employees at Basecamp because a lot of these things seem to have, this is all what I've gleaned from just trying to read people's Twitter posts and whatnot about it. A lot of these things seem to have defined people's experiences at Basecamp. It's a big part of the reason why they worked there. And now there have been sweeping changes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there was something pretty interesting that was done i don't know if this was expected maybe it was maybe it wasn't uh the ceo offered a generous severance for those that didn't agree with him um which i mean sure why not but a third of the company just straight up quit after he did that. Again, maybe that was kind of the goal. Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn't. I don't know. Yeah.

I mean, here's a really challenging thing. How do you draw the line between what's political and what's not? I mean, I saw an interesting billboard the other day. between what's political and what's not. I mean, I saw an interesting billboard the other day. I happened to be on the phone with my wife while I was driving in to play badminton, on speaker, of course. So I was just chatting with her,

and I saw this billboard that was like a hashtag Stop Asian Hate billboard. And I'm talking to her about this, and we're just speaking very candidly. I'm like, you know know obviously i agree with the sentiment but what are the odds that a billboard you know is going to take some racist jazz and make them reflect and go oh you know what wow maybe skin color is just a color and not actually like meaningful. And we might as well divide people by how tall they are or, you know, the diameter of their nostrils or any other,

any other number of like inane ways to divide people into groups. Like we could just as easily do it by, by hair color and you know whatever like it's gonna make it's gonna make them you just oh wow it's if only if only i had seen that billboard earlier in my life it would have it would have changed the way that that i feel so different um and anyway the other the other part of the billboard so it had the hashtag on it and then it also just said um you know uh racism is not an opinion and it's like yeah that's that's true that's that's a conversation that for whatever reason we have to have now i guess is that like sort of being an a**hole is that's that's not an opinion that's just like

being a jerk and you know yes you're you're you know free speech or whatever in in the west it definitely allows you to say a lot of things that you can say, but it doesn't mean that there's no consequences for them. It just means that the government can't lock you up for speaking against the government. That's actually what that means. So being a jerk is still bad and has always been bad. Um, but, uh, coming back to the base camp conversation, that's where I think that, um, this is, I don't know, this is, it's complicated, but it's also not that complicated where the, the justification for this seems to be that, oh, it's very difficult to draw these lines between what's political and what's not political.

difficult to draw these lines between what's political and what's not political but to me like being a being a jerk or being intolerant of others is not political that's just like being a jerk um and the the point which i think might have gotten lost in the weeds somewhere but the point not by us to be clear um i just think in general, the point that the CEO's reasoning was that discussion of political topics was a major distraction. And so people to focus on their work more. And that may be a fair point. Like if you've got, you know, literally you have a whole group of people that are dedicated to being the the committee on you know whatever whatever conversation that has quite frankly absolutely nothing to do with work um you know like like a short people's you know equal rights committee or something like that i picked that not because

i think short people particularly need better rights. By the way, they are actually a disadvantaged group, just saying. I picked that because it's an easy one for me to pick on because I am below average height. Anyway, the point is maybe there's this committee and all the people that are on this committee spend 30% of their time doing committee things that have absolutely nothing to do with improving their apps and services. I don't know. Maybe it really was a significant problem. And maybe the management of the company, although quite a few high level people did leave, maybe the management of the company sees this third of them leaving as a boon. I don't know. But to me, the line between what's political and what is not political

isn't really that complicated. But we also have a pretty homogeneous culture at Linus Media Group for the most part. And when I say homogeneous culture, I don't necessarily mean things like skin color. I mean that we don the cojones to be outwardly discriminatory when I'm present. So I don't know. It just hasn't been a problem. It hasn't seemed that complicated. There isn't a lot of debate necessarily there. And i have no idea what goes on at that company um but i i would say just like reading this blog this changes at base camp blog it's weird it's really weird like even including like the no more lingering or dwelling on past decisions like i think there's other ways if this is the type of stuff you're trying to get across if you're like wow we're really all over the place and this has become like a social camp more than a workspace and like all this other kind of stuff i think you

can communicate those types of things and try to drive that change in way different ways than this i think this was a really horrible way of doing it um again maybe he wanted people to leave it's possible but the thing is like i don't know i mean saying it like that it's not like i'm some kind of management guru or human resources expert or anything like that but framing something negatively is almost never the way to get people on your side what you need to say is we need to improve our decisiveness you know that's your you know your manager speak or whatever you can't say we need to stop questioning my you know freaking decisions that's just that's always gonna rub people the wrong. And no matter how long your history is, Luke, no, no, Luke, stop. We're not going to question what I just said. There's no debate. Linus, come on. There was something you said a long time ago, which, which kind of goes in line

with number four. You brought up, I don't remember exactly how you said it. So I'm going to misquote the heck out of you, but it was something along the lines of like if we make if we make a decision like if we're in a room with a group of people and we need to make a decision on how we're going to do something yeah you're on board like this is a team you can make your arguments but ultimately we need to come up with the best possible solution as a team and run with it and And if it doesn't really work out, pointing back and be like, well, I didn't like it is useless. And you just need to try to like drive and improve it in the future. And you said it much better than that. But like, it was essentially like, you need to be a part of the team and not just like complaining. Yeah, complaining pants don't

just have a solution. Yeah, complaining all the time not posting solutions like blah blah blah now it's not benefiting things it doesn't make you feel like privacy in floatplane chat they're saying the past decisions seem to be kind of a code word for um ignoring this um racially insensitive list of funny names for their customers that they used to have or something like that so it may be that basically they just wanted to get rid of people that were upset about certain aspects of their company's history and and a pattern of uh insensitive behavior yeah see like i don't i don't know those types of details about this kind of stuff um i think it's like at the at the end of the day you cannot treat people like human resources and when i say i use the even just the term human resources how disgusting is that right

you're you're basically resources we use the word resources to describe things like, you know, things like iron ore in the side of a mountain, inanimate objects. And the only reason I use that term is because in the interest of clear communication with other human beings, I use the universally understood terms to describe things instead of trying to come up with my own you know snowflake names for things but i i do find it pretty disrespectful honestly to refer to people as human resources and i think that a successful company that has this attitude that people are sort of easily replaceable and disposable um i think it's not i don't think it's good for anyone yeah i don't think it feels good for the employees i don't think it feels good for um owners i i think i think if an owner feels like their employees are like easy replaceable like cartridges basically then they're probably pretty detached from the company at that point.

Right. People are suggesting we can make HR human relations. I mean, that really sounds like some kind of like sex orgy cult or something. I was going to say that sounds like a little too intimate. Hey, you guys want to go to Club Human Relations on Saturday night? I don't know. You guys want to? Yeah, I don't know.

I was going to try to make a joke about keep talking and nobody explodes because I want to have a float plane game night where we play that soon. But I couldn't make it work. Oh, boy. Anyway, why don't we go ahead and talk about another topic here? I guess if you're looking to hire developers, especially mobile ones, a bunch of them just entered the market. So good luck. I know, right?

Seriously, though, like a lot. There's a lot of Twitter posts about like hey so i'm gonna like go vacation for two weeks but then i'm looking for a job there's it's there's a lot of them so yeah scoop them up all right so much samsung very wow plus 30 50 ti samsung's april unpacked event was this week they showed off some new laptops freaking amazing looking oled panels they're based off the same tech as the screen in the, uh, sorry, they are apparently based off the same tech as the screen in the S21 Ultra, but in practice, it's pretty different. Uh, we looked at the 15 inch Galaxy book on short circuit. It looks pretty freaking awesome. Although the chassis stiffness was a bit of a letdown,

hopefully on the 13 inch 360 model,'s a bit better but check this out this is a this is a really different looking um this is a this is a really different looking sub-pixel arrangement so you're looking at the pixel 5 right now it's very similar on the s21 ultra and then right here you're looking at the samsung galaxy book pro Pro. So they say it's like, oh, based on the S21 Ultra, but it looks like very, very different. So we're used to seeing green pixels outnumber the other ones by two to one almost, I think, if I recall correctly. It's like half green and then 25% each of the others,

if I recall correct, Tamal. But instead, what we're looking... No, actually, hold on. I'm having a look at the matrix here. Everyone, everyone? Yeah, no, I think that is actually right. But this is way heavier on blue subpixels. But then the green and red ones look significantly brighter.

This is definitely going to require some more investigation. In practice, apparently it looks really good, though. It looks very odd in this sample, though. Yeah, I haven't seen one like that before. They also announced their Galaxy Odyssey gaming laptop that features NVIDIA's until now unannounced 3050 Ti. We don't have a lot of info about it because they haven't actually officially announced that GPU,

but the leaks suggest it will have four gigs of memory. Given that the laptops come with 135 watt charger, don't expect too much in terms of performance, but you could expect decent battery life. And they have 11th gen Intel CPUs, which might be good, but are probably just fine. And that's about it. There actually kind of wasn't really that much. But hey, Apple's next M series SoC has apparently entered mass production. According to Nikkei Asia sources, the next generation of Apple silicon processors have entered mass production this month, and it is tentatively being referred to as M2.

That surprises me. I would have thought it would be like M1 plus or something, like Gen 1, but more better. So maybe we'll go from M1 and M2. Don't they usually start doing that later on? M10 and M20? I don't know. M10 and M20? I don't know.

So with their A-series SoCs, it's been A and then the number to indicate the generation. But what we're expecting is that M2 is going to be like a higher performance part intended for a different tier of system. It's on TSMC's 5 nanometer process, but beyond the actual manufacturing and a rough timeline, we don't know much and it hasn't been leaked. So there's speculation about it being 12 cores, 8 high performance, 4 low power, or 16 cores, 12 high performance and 4 low power, along with 16 GPU cores, but it's just speculation. Shipments could begin as early as July to be used in new MacBooks,

but the chip will also see use in other products down the line like the M1. With how good the M1 is, yeah, I am very interested to see what their second kick at the can looks like. It's good. It's exciting. Finally, do you want to talk us through the, sorry, game stuttering blame Windows windows windows users have seen stuttering flickering and text rendering issues when

playing certain games due to a recent windows update oh boy the fix was applied server-side last weekend requiring no action from users um just so you guys know. The problem, as well as outright crashes, were linked to the KB-5001-330 update and the previous KB-5842 update, with even an NVIDIA forum admin coming forward to recommend that folks try removing these updates to fix the bugs, which is kind of a big yikes. But, you know, you got to do what you got to do to get those smooth frames.

Yep. The 842 update was an optional update aimed at fixing performance and printing issues. Lol. The fact that printing has been completely solved. Yeah. The fact that that isn't just completely solved in 2021 is bonkers to me.

But, you know, printers still need fixing, I guess. There's room for a disruptor. Okay, Luke, there's room for a disruptive printer manufacturer. Like seriously, instantly. I would buy the, it just works and the refills are cheap printer. I'm in, I'm down. Yeah. Yeah. If someone can make that happen. I, yeah. The issue is probably just that like hp and whoever

just own every related patent and it would be basically impossible to build a printer that's what i suspect is actually going on here i totally like though ignorance you you could get a you could get around windows by like using email to like receive the the printing jobs and like all this other kind of stuff just like completely avoid the old ways but but remember a lot of people are printing from microsoft applications i don't think the i don't think the office team would throw that kind of shade at the windows team they're like hey so we noticed your print stack is terrible um you you can do custom printing sources so like you could see this part i think seems to work fine uh but you know how you can do custom printing sources so like you could see this part i think seems to work

fine uh but you know how you can do like cute pdf where you print to software yeah you could print to software that emails it you totally care i just mean that the word team is not about to make that the default behavior oh no yeah i don't know i'm just trying to find weird ways of avoiding stuff. Yeah, I just... It's amazed me since I've been into computers how screwed printers have been. So it's just like, I don't know, just abandon everything we've done this whole time

and try to find a different way because it's clearly not working. But anyways, on the Microsoftrosoft support page microsoft says that a small subset of users have reported lower than expected performance etc however this small subset seems to be an approximate 20 of users which is pretty rough that being said uh it's more likely that users are going to come out upset than users are going to come out completely okay with it. Yeah, and they don't roll these updates worldwide instantly either.

And once they start noticing problems, it's typical that they slow the roll out at least. Yeah. And I think the last one today is the Epic versus Apple court hearings start on Monday. That's going to be interesting. We've been talking about this very consistently and for a long time, and now we're going to see some more movement on it. There's so much interesting stuff coming out because of this, some of it even about Apple.

Back in 2013, Senior Vice President of Internet Software and Services, Eddie Q, apparently wanted to bring iMessage to Android, championing the cause so that they wouldn't lose out to Google in the mobile messaging space, considering how they had already dominated in mail, video, etc. In response, the senior VP of software engineering politely expressed the difficulty Apple would have convincing users on the Android side to switch to iMessage. We'd need more than a marginally better app. Craig also expressed a concern that it would simply serve to remove an obstacle to iPhone families giving their kids Android phones. So here's something I still have a hard time wrapping my brain around iMessage gets put on this pedestal as like the killer app a killer app for iphone

why yeah i don't know i i saw this, series of tweets from someone saying that like, denying iMessage to people that aren't on iPhone is like denying people like, basic human resources. And by that, I don't mean that, that reference. Yeah, that references earlier in the show, but I meant like, food and water and housing and like stuff like that and it's just like what are you even possibly talking about yeah i was uh yeah yvonne and i uh were talking about this on the way home from work the other day um and she's just like she's like what well i can't see how i can't see how not having i message would interfere with anyone's social life or something like that and I'm like right because you my dear would never have anyone in your life for any extended period of time who actually made decisions based on what kind of phone someone else had that doesn't mean those people are not out there I I don't think I don't think i'm friends with anyone who would do that i don't think well you wouldn't be able to because you're some kind of disgusting android pleb yeah like um and maybe that's why i've i've heard of it being a thing like i've heard of the like uh like why

are your text bubbles this different color i judge you because I'm a douchebag. I've heard of that stuff, but I've never experienced anything like that in my life. The Dreamstar says, because it's there by default. You don't need your friends to install a third-party app. It's text messaging. It's text messaging. Who cares? And also, because you're... I think even the stupid watch that i reviewed

had it by default is your friend is your friend a moron they don't know how to install an app why do they even have a smartphone it's unnecessary get a flip phone yeah what are you talking about yeah the. What was that thing called? Neptune Pine. I'm pretty sure the Neptune Pine had text messaging by default. Of course it did. This is not an innovative thing. Okay.

Dark Slayer asks, does iMessage do something special? All right. It has end-to-end encryption. Not the best on the market, but it is end-to-end encrypted. It has very robust support for media sharing. So very high quality picture sharing, low compression. That's a good thing. You can do your animojis or whatever.

It has excellent support for stickers and all that kind of reaction crap. Excellent support for group messages. All things that lots of other apps. I guarantee you, I could come up with apps most of you have never even heard of that have excellent support for all those things line for example huge in taiwan basically irrelevant for much of the rest of the world it's awesome got lots of great features other than china which it's huge there as far as my understanding goes i don't think so i thought

it's all weChat in China. Oh, maybe you're right. Yeah. Okay. WeChat's a steaming pile of garbage. If they didn't have like a government enforced, basically monopoly, like there's so many features,

there's so many things that you do through your WeChat account, like being able to, you know, pay for things and stuff like that. Like if it wasn't for that, I can't imagine them having the kind of market market show that they do but yeah that's a whole that's a whole separate conversation line is apparently big in japan as well uh according to uh according to twitch chat um but yeah line suite yeah fresh prints of whatever this is says says iMessage is godly nope it's just a messaging app and it's actually the

worst messaging app because it's not cross-platform that makes it literally the worst messaging app any messaging app that is not cross-platform is like why is why is it in my life exactly i genuinely like i feel like i need to sit sit down and have a coffee with someone who genuinely thinks this stuff. Just so I can really get into their head. So I can understand it. Because I have been whiffed this whole time. I genuinely have never understood. It has only seemed like a status symbol thing to me.

Okay, that's it. Right there. The reason that you don't have a coffee with this person and can't get into their head is because you live in a completely different world, Luke. Because remember, the same kind of people that would decide, like I remember talking about this, I think it was on TechLinked. We might have talked about it on WAN Show, but your odds of being swiped, whatever the correct way is on Tinder, were something like 60 plus percent higher if you

had an iphone in your profile picture versus having an android phone they like did a study on this um and the reason the reason for it is that you as an android pleb who doesn't give any cares about it um don't understand that there's a whole other group of people out there none of whom you interact with because they wouldn't be caught dead talking to you that really are that superficial that will actually you know notice that i am wearing costco jeans and not ask me for directions and instead ask someone else for directions who's wearing jeans from i don't know a store that things cost more money or something. So you have to understand that the blue bubble means a lot more than just you have an iPhone and support for emojis. None of that actually matters, which is why iMessage zealots can never actually explain

without sounding like complete a**holes why they care about iMessage. It's because the real reason is that they're a pompous douchebag, not because there's any other actual reason. Yeah, and that's what it's felt like. But people keep on trying to make arguments, and none of them really make sense. So I keep on being like, this doesn they they they whether they know it or not the actual reason is because they're elitist douche nozzles not realizing that if i'm rocking a galaxy

folder whatever my phone actually costs twice as much as theirs and it has absolutely nothing to do with being some kind of pleb like i remember i tweeted about this a little while ago like you can get a blue bubble for like 75 on ebay having an iphone doesn't mean anything except that it means that it was important enough to you to have an iphone that you are that kind of shallow that's all it means that's that would be really funny i i wouldn't even be surprised if there is someone out there who like mainlines an android device. Oh, it's a thing.

But knows. Before you even finish. It's a thing. You route it through your iPhone to send to your iMessage peeps. And you just have an iPhone sitting plugged into a wall. It's totally a thing. I forget how to do it. But we talked about it when we were doing like Hackintosh or something.

Like there's a whole. Yeah. It's a whole thing that you can do. Madperfx says Lin says line judging our personal preferences no i'm judging judging other people's personal preferences being an iMessage elitist means you are an a**hole and that's not a personal preference that's a bad attitude it's that simple i don't care if you have an iphone that's the difference if you care that someone else doesn't then you're an a**hole and that's not an opinion that's just you being judgmental and i'm allowed to judge you for being judgmental you don't just get to play the you're being judgmental card and i should accept your

judgmentality or whatever the word is for that that's not how it works you know it's like when someone walks up and kicks your dog and you punch them in the face you are not the aggressor they are they had it coming yeah yeah um i i i also love how the example of how to fix it is like the most stereotypically over the top working around the solution way too hard androidy type of thing like rerouting your messages through this device that you just have planted there all like oh my goodness no whatever i don't make the rules man what i do make the rules about is when we go through and read some super chats because it's pretty much the end of the show uh robert mail says hybrid core windows might be a mess hopefully yeah hopefully the windows scheduler team can pull some experience from the Windows ARM team.

Otherwise, the performance degradations will be Zen 1 all over again, but probably worse. You're probably right. But this time, because Intel will have done it first, and because AMD is a bigger player, we might see more optimization before the release of the product instead of after the release of the product. So we can hope for the best. Tropical. I love this. This is a bit of an inside joke for CrossCode fans, but the message is, hi, Leah. I love it. Thank you. Chappers says, hey, guys, do you think people should have some kind of protection when it comes to digital downloads of games? Not that it would ever happen, but what if Steam went bust? I'd lose over 200 games. Doesn't Steam have a provision for that in their user license agreement?

No idea. I'm actually not sure if they do. But yeah, that is the kind of thing that should probably legislate. That should probably be legislated if a platform is going to go away um and it is an online only platform there should be an opportunity some kind of grace period where you can download it and then have it forever um i don't know how they would administer that but lawmakers sort of rarely worry about those kinds of minor details anyway so they would just legislate it and let people figure out how to deal with it we've run into all kinds of stuff like that with like

international taxation for ltt store and all that but um separate conversation um adam says inflation has nothing to do with the rising cost of education uh didn't say it did inflation is sort of separate um but what i said was that those things are happening in parallel the cost of living is going up and the cost of education is going up and And if you're a student, the cost of education is part of your cost of living. And then, okay, this is getting interesting. The state and federal governments were heavily subsidizing education and much of those funds were eliminated in the eighties. I don't know if you noticed, but, um, the state and federal government of the U S and Canada are all still heavily subsidizing education. It's just

we've cut it off at 12 now for some reason. And also, if our local primo university, UBC, is anything to go by, they're also just making mad bank when I thought education was supposed to be about passing down knowledge. Have you seen the amount of... Yvonne and I both went to UBC, you seen the amount of construction uh yvonne and i both went to ubc and we went there on a date for our 10 years of dating anniversary we went there 15 years i think um we didn't recognize the campus like the amount of money they are spending when actually tuition could just be cheaper is incredible and it's not just it's not on educational facilities necessarily. A lot of it is very commercial, very development centric.

Let's build some apartments and then do hundred year leases so that we still own this land and effectively somebody else pays to put housing on this like endowment land that we were given a hundred years ago or whatever. It's like pretty disgusting. Yeah, it has nothing to do, maybe something to do

with, but it is not as simple as there's not enough subsidies. And if the government's not subsidizing education enough, then I've got a sort of big question for you. Why the f*** not? It's sort of the most important possible thing. Who is going to keep the economy going when you are retired? Right? Like who is going to make it so your standard of living doesn't suck a well-educated working class well you can't get there unless you get the well-educated part yeah yeah uh logan says oh yeah go ahead as a society you should kind of want that too because more not necessarily well-informed, because that's not fair. I just don't want to be surrounded by people who are like impossible to talk to.

I mean, how much is that? That's not unreasonable. That's one of the reasons I started a company and then hired all people that I'd want to actually spend my day with. It's such a small thing to ask. Yeah. And like, these are people that are in the voting sphere as well. Like all this kind of stuff. So, thing to ask. Yeah. And like, these are people that are in the, in the voting sphere as well. Like all this kind of stuff. So yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And, and I'm not saying just before anyone jumps on that either, I'm not saying like your education has to be like a, an English degree, like extended education could be a trade. It could be whatever.

But yeah. Well, yeah. Education can absolutely, it's all education. Education can be a first aid course for all I care. Just investing in education is valuable. Learning new skills and expanding your knowledge base in general,

those things are very valuable to society as a whole. It doesn't necessarily matter. Like I'm not trying to compare learning how to do various forms of maths versus learning how to weld. It doesn't matter to me. Those resources being readily available to your citizens is extremely valuable. So what else do we got here? Logan says, I'm 20 and I live in the Lower Mainland.

I have no hope of living in my area in the future. Yeah, pretty much, Unless it all crashes. Hey, let's see how we go. Justin says, please tell me why you said NVIDIA copied R-Bar from AMD when it's part of the PCI Express standard, but now saying AMD didn't copy Intel's hybrid solution.

Come on, be consistent and fair. It's a headline, man. Get over it. NVIDIA copied AMD in actually bothering to implement it. It's been part of the PCI Express for a long time. And I said AMD didn't copy Intel's hybrid solution because ARM did it first.

There. Mal says, any plans for a second kids book? My son's been obsessed with it for bedtimes lately and now I can recite every line off the top of my head. That's hilarious because even I have not memorized it. Yeah, I think the second one's going to be counting with computers. We're going to have some fun with the what's a computer thing. And it'll be everything's a computer.

So we'll be counting. Will it be a little outdated by then? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because it'll be a fun rhyme and it'll be just an inside joke for people who like get it or whatever. And then every page will be a different kind of computer because computers are all around us, right? So we'll start with ones that are maybe more traditional, like a desktop computer. One desktop computer, two laptops, three tablets, four smartwatches, whatever.

So you kind of keep going and i think that's um a pretty low hanging fruit kind of easy one for me i've been really busy lately i haven't had any time to work on it but i think that's going to be the next concept so like uh you'll have the abc one and then we'll do a counting one and then maybe we'll do you know shapes and colors like all that kind of stuff but it's going to take time uh we are we are way past our break even point for our initial order of abcs of gaming though so it's been it i consider it a success already and it is is likely to continue we've sold over 10 000 copies like it's incredible um actually i really appreciate everyone's support and when i mentioned that it was on amazon i think

it was two shows ago lu Luke, something like that. Immediately, the maximum amount we were allowed to stock there, which is 150 units, were gone. And you guys have been leaving reviews on it, which is really incredible. Obviously, that helps a lot. And then I think I was talking about this on the last show. Amazon was like, hey, recommended restock 900 units. By the way, you can't have more than 595 units so we sent 595 and we're probably going to blow right through them awesome um tech cab says lost chance to get on the property ladder in the early 2000s yeah pretty much uh daniel says i want to use a git repo off a nas do you know any way to do that without intolerable latency bandwidth is great but dealing with hundreds of thousands of tiny files takes forever i mean other than moving

to fiber optics and not using tcp ip like finding a different protocol that works for you um no not really what's your nas because people run yeah oh yeah it might be it might be a really slow like crappy NAS. Yeah. Going SSD would help a lot. Yeah. Like there's, there's a difference between a NAS,

which is like a computer that you built that has storage on it, that you put on your network and like a little synology box, like some eight year old, like cute thing. Yeah. Um, kinesthetic says, have you seen any of the backlash about the latest youtube app update

and the default video quality stuff i can't say that i have um not even a real channel says hey on your ek water blocks active backplates vid you talked about how the vram was getting ridiculously hot on a zotac 39 trinity the founders edition has heat sinks on both sides uh so does the zotac but we removed it to make it easier to get thermal images. It was slightly cooler with the backplate. It doesn't make as much of a difference as you might think.

All right, there's some stuff in here. Austin says, any update on the verified actual gamers versus Linus event? Yes, we have already run it. The video is coming soon. I believe it's going to hit float plane in uh early access which has not been a week lately i'm sorry we're trying uh no it looks like it is a simultaneous release on the fourth um so float plane is getting the gaming phone roundup this weekend,

along with a Ryzen 4750G review. And wait, okay, I don't know what's going on. It looks like the schedule is broken. I will have to find out what's going on with that. Okay, and that's pretty much it. Thank you very much for tuning in to The WAN Show. We will see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel.

I hope you guys enjoyed. Oh, Jaden. Jaden says in the floatplane chat, if you hate the YouTube quality thing, try floatplane. Heck yeah. Heck yeah, man. All right. See you all later, guys.

Bye. all right see y'all later guys bye are we still live oh yeah