The WAN Show - AMD Winning the Hearts of Gamers with Ryzen 5000 - WAN Show October 9 , 2020

Episode Date: October 13, 2020

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You know what's great about ambition? You can't see it. Some things look ambitious, but looks can be deceiving. For example, a runner could be training for a marathon, or they could be late for the bus. You never know. Ambition is on the inside. So that goal to beat your personal best? Keep chasing it. Drive your ambition mitsubishi motors unless we team up with yvonne and chase hey welcome to the web show ladies and gentlemen we've got a fantastic show for y'all today a lot of big topics including of course third time's the charm amd announced their ryzen 5000 series of processors that looks absolutely, well, to put it simply, freaking incredible. Like, if half of what they said is true and accurate,

this is going to be an absolute game changer. Also, we've got some drama in the data recovery space. So we did, recently, we did a sponsored video with Drive Savers, where one of the things that we talked about was a recent fix for the iPhone that Drive Saver says they figured out. And then we've actually got some other folks in the data recovery and device repair community that are saying, actually, that wasn't them. So we're going to get into that. what else we got very interesting very interesting there's a ps5 teardown that's been getting memed a little bit

but it's still very interesting what do you mean it's awesome it has been memed a little bit by xbox yeah i don't necessarily agree i don't necessarily agree with the memeing but whatever we'll get into it either way starlink is entering the public beta soon uh and i thought i had something else that was that was cool that i wanted to bring up oh the msi drama yeah more drama it's gonna be a drama drama llama show today yeah i'm excited i'm excited it's gonna be fun show is brought to you today by ridgeet and also it's not in my list Backblaze oh it's broken and Squarespace

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All right. Let's this was posted by William CLL on the forum. And AMD's Where Gaming Begins event was kind of a big deal. Luke, have you looked at this yet? That's fine. That's fine. I'm going to walk you through it. It's huge.

So AMD is taking such a big leap forward here that they are just, they're just skipping 4000 series. They're just skipping it on the desktop. They're going straight from Ryzen 3000 to Ryzen 5000. Actually, I think the reason they're doing that is more to do with that. They mucked up the branding on the notebook side calling Zen 2 Ryzen 4000. So then it's like, oh boy, now what are we going to do? Are we going to have like this 1000 disparity between laptop and desktop forever no we're not we're just going to make everything

5000 love it this has happened a few times that happened with the 800 series on nvidia's side so dumb anyway uh so where gaming begins they announced the ryzen 9 5950x 5 5900X, 5800X, and 5600X. Those are 16, 12, 8, and 6 core processors respectively, with anywhere from 35 megabytes of cache all the way up to 72 megabytes of cache, and boost clocks from 4.6 all the way up to 4.9 gigahertz. That's's right ladies and gentlemen amd is getting dangerously close to the five gigahertz barrier impressively they are not only running at these high clock speeds but they are doing it within the same tdp as their predecessors so they're all rated for 105 watts down to the eight core and 65 watts for the six core like dang like looking at the single threaded performance that they're claiming on these things like one of those six cores and like a nice small form factor

machines like 65 watts that's incredible it's exciting you know puts the excitement back in cpus again and the bigger deal of course is not the clock speeds or the cores. I mean, AMD has already been a leader when it comes to core count. The bigger deal is the improvement in per clock efficiency. So how much performance they can actually get out of each clock cycle. And they are apparently claiming a 19% lift in instructions per clock wild like two generations that is massive well it depends i mean are we talking intel generations because then it's like it's like four it's like four luke okay which generations are we looking at here star trek generations because then it's probably a little less it's probably i think the technology moves

a little faster in star trek than it does over at team blue um amd is claiming that these new cpus are going to beat intel sometimes by a lot in not only productivity where they've already been strong but also gaming that's the big winner in my opinion amd is claiming they're going to be 20 faster than intel in counter-Strike Global Offensive. Because one of the crazy things is they already won over gamers by just being better overall. A lot of gamers were sacrificing the performance difference in games and just being like, whatever, I might end up streaming,

I might end up doing something else, which is going to take more of the processor as a whole. I'll go for the AMD option. And now that it's better in both categories, like, oh, man. So as of the launch of the 5000 series, assuming that all of this is correct, AMD will hold the following advantages over Intel. Multi-threaded performance. Bang for the buck.

Cheaper motherboards. Potentially single-threaded performance. And the CSGO benchmark specifically has been something that's been hanging over their head for a really long time. Storage performance. PCI Express Gen 4, which all of a sudden is being thrown into the limelight like here we've got sony and

microsoft launching these new consoles and they're saying next generation games are going to really take advantage of high-speed storage and sup yo how you doing what's hanging he decided to come hang out but he did i heard you weren't feeling good last night yeah he's been he's been sick but he seems to be doing a little bit better he always gets excited oh there we go he always gets excited when i talk a lot he likes like loud conversation so he seems to love wansha everything sweet a little bit more animated and he's like yeah yeah rock on yeah shake your tail baby all right so uh right so high speed ssds are all of a sudden becoming a major factor a big consideration for future games and hey cold hard truth is not everybody is you know me and is upgrading their hardware every cycle right for most people i think it's

pretty fair to say that anywhere from three to eight years is as long as you could expect to be using a gaming rig and you might make a couple a couple key upgrades in that time i know i need a bit more storage because the new modern warfare is 600 terabytes yeah exactly okay so there's you need some more storage you know nvidia soft fit to grant us a new graphics card finally you know maybe upgrade to one of those that sort of thing but in terms of the core platform you expect to be able to use it for quite some time and so if i was buying a system today pci express gen 4 whatever, to, wow, that is a major consideration if I want my gaming rig to be able to play these next-gen console games that aren't going to stay

console-exclusive forever. Speaking of the longevity of the platform, advantage number six is intergenerational compatibility. Now, AMD did kind of tick off the community based on what they had initially promised when they went back on 300 series motherboards having support for this upcoming generation of processors. If I recall correctly, I can't remember exactly which generation AMD was not going to support, and then people were mad. Maybe it was B450? Doesn't matter. The point is AMD did let folks down a little bit but

then if i recall correctly again they ended up making it right and they are still definitely holding an advantage over intel in this regard intel has been real strict for like pretty much last 10 years okay you get a chipset and then the chipset that launches with that cpu that chipset might get one more cpu and then that's it it's been pretty much on that cadence and even if the socket doesn't change and in some cases i do understand there were there were actual engineering considerations that made it so that they didn't want to just say okay uh it's a free-for-all sure put put coffee lake on this do that uh i get it i get it but that doesn't change that from a competitive standpoint they're behind amd who has had as much as three

generations of cpus now be available on a single motherboard that that's crazy and it looks like that's going to continue so these uh the 500 series boards that are out there now are not only going to be compatible with Ryzen 5000, they're supposed to be drop-in compatible. AMD has apparently been stealthily putting in the microcode that's needed for these upcoming processors. And so if you've updated your BIOS in the last little bit, it is quite possible that you will just chuck a 5000 series CPU in there. Don't chuck it, please please put it in nicely and you're ready to rock can we think of any more advantages did i already say cheaper motherboards

i you did i think i did okay number six i mean let's let's brainstorm here ladies and gentlemen what else we got what else we got let's head over to the floatplane chat by the way if you're not subscribed to ltd on floatplane you got to get over there because we got like early access we got behind the scenes now is genuinely the best time to subscribe to ltt that i think there's like ever been because you guys are pumping the exclusives yeah ed's been doing a great job like he's even just like weird like test footage and stuff like that he's been checking it on there the we're taking things slow video was so cool there isn't even there's no audio there's no intro there's just nothing it's

just slow-mo footage randomly stitched together in a row i was like this is great we just got a high-speed camera so we finally yeah we've rented them before but we finally actually own one uh what did you get uh we got um oh bloody hell what's called? Kronos high-speed camera. What's their new one called? The Kronos 2.1 HD from Chrontech. We did a tour of their facility like way back a thousand years ago. They're still around.

So Kronos 2.1, yeah. Yeah, so it's only like five grand, but it does, I think either 720 or or 1080 at 1,000 frames per second. 1,000 frames per second is sort of the, yeah, 1080 at 1,000 frames per second. That's sort of the magic number for us because when it comes to evaluating things like monitors, 1,000 frames per second is one millisecond per frame. one millisecond per frame. So if we wanted to do something like investigate the gray-to-gray response times of the pixels of a monitor or something like that, it's just really easily divisible. So we used it actually today in a really cool video. I was really annoyed with LG

for not getting us their new C10 48-inch, well, well months ago because we've been asking for it for months and so we couldn't even get a sample to review and then meanwhile there's like sponsored videos with other people going up about it and i'm like for real you guys can't find one tv to send us where we just want we just want to make editorial content because we're really excited about it and you got to send it to people who needed to be paid to make the video what are you guys even doing like at what point do i just have to apply for a job there so i can show you guys all how this is done like crying out loud um honestly hey you know i applied at amazon right like way back in the day i'll remind me to tell that story later. I'll tell that story later. Anyway.

So anyway, we used it today for our C10 video. And it was so cool because we were able to use the high speed camera. So instead of doing a pursuit setup, we actually just had a stationary camera while the UFOs went across. And it's running at such a high frame rate that we can actually just see the pixels changing. So OLED, one of the great things about that technology is how quickly the pixels shift compared to something like an IPS LCD, even a very high speed one. So we whipped out a 360 Hertz gaming monitor, and then we had our OLED running at 120 Hertz, and we tried them at yeah yeah yeah okay so we tried them at various refresh rates 60 and 60 120 and 120 and then 120 versus 240 and 120 versus 360 to see at what point does refreshing the LCD faster overcome the slower

pixel response times because even on a one millisecond LCD panel, come on, get real. It's not even close. And we can see that. We can see that on the high-speed cameras. So it's pretty exciting. I'm jazzed to show you guys that video. That'll definitely be early access on Floatplane. So coming around full circle, make sure you're subscribed to Floatplane. That's the camera we got that I just showed you guys, by the way. It's pretty sick. Those guys are a local company. So feel free to check them out don't expect to get a camera anytime soon they've had some serious supply chain issues due to covid that's one of the reasons it took us so long to get it because ever since we did those collabs with gav from slow-mo

guys and with uh shroud mr grahams cory uh and paul for the like does high refresh rate gaming help your help your abilities we've been trying to get our hands on one and I just didn't want to I just didn't want to deal with a the cost and be the hassle of phantom like it is not easy to work with I do not envy Gav he's he's very successful he's basically uh like a real celebrity at this point um you know, him and Dan. And I'm just like, yep, got no desire for your life because that looks horrible. Just dealing with that slow-mo footage all the time. And they do so much of the work themselves.

So back to AMD and all the various advantages that they have. I never actually ended up looking at the chat. One quick thing before I go forward is one of my favorite things about Flowplane is like the comment section on this slow-mo video. It's like I said, it's just no audio, no intro, no outro, just random stitched together slow-mo footage. All the comments are like, this is great. I know.

The Floatplane community is so positive. They're so nice. Here, okay, here. I'll tease a little bit of it. So this is just Ed playing around around the slow-mo camera the image quality is actually not bad like it looks it looks really good yeah i'm i'm pretty i'm pretty happy with it this is exactly what we needed so you can expect to see more of this kind of stuff in upcoming videos i'm'm surprised Dennis didn't like scare himself. He actually look at his look on his face. He probably did. What a nerd. I love that guy. I wonder how many FPS this is at.

We can actually turn down the resolution and get even greater frame rates if we really want to. So I think it can we were we did some at 3000 fps earlier today why does he have a plastic gun what even am i looking at okay geez sorry i haven't actually seen this i don't even like review some of the things that they upload look at the look on his face like it's a balloon dennis just chill dude that's pretty fun though it's cool yeah all right i love how rod is like in the comments criticizing the like bit versus drill usage oh Rod, just chill. That's great.

I love it. All right. What else are we looking at? Okay, so back to AMD. So advantages for Intel. Why don't we change gears and talk about their advantages? Intel teased their upcoming Rocket Lake 11th Gen processors. It is rumored to be a 14 nanometer variant of the new willow cove architecture which tiger lake is based on so we could be getting faster onboard video

cool nice nice good win guys nice nice i, we also might get like our DNA2 onboard video from AMD and upcoming APUs. So like, but still, nice. Nice. Someone made a comment earlier and it sucks that the Rocket Lake thing's coming because they were calling it Coffin Lake in Twitch chat. I thought that was pretty great. Okay. When I was talking earlier, I was talking about Coffee Lake, not Coffin Lake. I know. I know. Coffin Lake. I know, I know, I know.

Coffin Lake. I just thought it was- Oh, what a creepy place to hang out on a weekend that would be. Honestly though, I like Desperate Intel. I like Against the Ropes Intel a lot better than I like Complacent Intel because that's what it takes to get through to the suits.

And if that's what it takes, fine. Because every other time Intel's been up against the ropes, they have come back swinging hard. So has Intel had all their brain, good brains drained away? I don't know. We're going to find out soon enough because I'm sure they're going to need a way to come back and make a splash here sometime in the next. I mean, the thing about it, guys, is guys is that like oh man there's so many things for them to overcome oh advantage number seven is amd's approach to cpu design with their chiplets allows them apparently to be much more efficient about product development and work on multiple

different cores in parallel to the point where apparently they were able to just drop these new Zen 3 cores onto the same substrate that they were using for Ryzen 3000 series with the same IO die and just like, okay, here we go. Like, that's incredible. Obviously, it wasn't quite that simple. Like, there's a lot of engineering that goes into getting something like that working just right. Actually, advantage Intel. I really hope that AMD does a better job with virtualization this time around. It can be done. I know, I know. I saw all the comments on the couple's PC

where people were like, oh, Wendell did it. The fact that Wendell did it does not mean that it is user-friendly. Wendell can do amazing things. Wendell could do just about anything. Yeah, as far as I can tell. Wendell, as far as I can tell,

single-handedly created the DisplayPort KVM market. Did you know he collects... And I don't think this was a joke. I think this was serious. He collects the tops of like toilet bucket things. Like. My dad's going to kill me. Like the shelf.

Yeah. Yeah. Like the shelf to put your sandwich and your milk on, right? Your sandwich and your milk. Yeah. When you're snacking on the can. Yeah. Sure.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He collects those. He collects them collects them yeah where does he keep them yeah let me try to find this really quick that's the weirdest thing i love wendell but like dude what the like what are you what i'm trying to find it i mean are they like vintage or like what are we talking about here he like had some actually kind of cool ones which was really interesting let me see if i can find it when i first thought i was like oh that's a joke and then i clicked on the thread and i was like

oh wow some of these are actually okay i found it okay if you discord it to me i can i can bring it up and screen share it. This is some weird... By the way, Level 1 Tex is on Flowplane, and they're killing it. They're awesome there. Go check them out. Go subscribe. Hooray, hooray. Wow.

Okay. This is apparently real. Okay. The time has come for me to let go of a few things. The basement has got too much crap in it. Is that an intentional pun? But where does one go to unload their lovingly curated toilet lid collection is the internet ready to know about this are you like what and like that's way too many to just be random you know like Like, Sep what? Sep 28, 1974.

Okay. That's like, that's like old enough to be old, but like not old enough to be vintage, isn't it? I mean, how long ago was 1974, I guess? He's got, he's got ones from the fifties. I've got one that was minted July 21st, 1969. So is this like, is it about the dates? There's a market for these, he says. eBay. Toilet tank lid store dot com. You've got to be $69. No, this is clearly a joke. The fact that it's priced at $69, I refuse to accept it. I refuse to accept that this is real.

that this is real no no if wendell if wendell wants to call me right now and and explain himself then maybe i will believe it because i trust i trust wendell i do too which is why like when he tweets this i have to take it at face value no no he's also he's also a memer though that's the problem with wendell is he's a straight-faced memer so you can't trust him but i also trust him yeah i trust him too i trust him too we're talking about wendell from level one texts and his toilet lid collection it's weird um i mean whatever you want to yeah whatever you want to do whatever gets you going yeah uh so in other news, AMD provided a sneak peek at their Radeon RX 6000 series, now codenamed Big Navi, with numbers that seemingly put it in line with the RTX 3080. And if that's true, AMD might be competitive on all fronts this coming generation.

Tell me something, Luke, would you build an all red gaming machine? me something luke would you build an all red gaming machine uh-oh that's a long hesitation sure do you bleed green do you bleed green luke i i have been very hard on nvidia in the past i have made a number of videos when i used to make videos that were very hard on nvidia in the past but it was easy because the red team basically didn't exist at that point in time um yeah so if they like exist properly absolutely yeah on the processor side i think there's no question yeah so but there's a chance you'd go brown yes yeah okay yeah go brown it's green and red yeah yeah the brown pc we should totally make that a video the brown pc go all noctua and everything that'd be kind of cool yeah well i mean remember the chocolate computer yeah that color scheme was sick. That glass discard was sweet. It was sick. It actually looked so cool.

Worked out so well. All right. So Team PGP is streaming, and that's like Wendell and the gang. And people have gone over there and are talking to him about their toilet covers. Oh, is he live right now? Yeah, he's live right now. Oh, man. All right. Okay. Well, I well i was hoping he would wait i don't see him oh is he live on twitch yes oh okay i just assumed he'd be live on youtube maybe we'll like rate him afterward and razz him about his toilet collection all right why don't

we uh why don't we move on to the drive savers versus ipad rehab information war is apparently what this was called it must have been james if they're still going we should we should play left for dead with them afterwards heck yeah i'm super down um so lewis rossman made a video uh jessa from shoot uh what's her thing called again ipad rehab jessa from ipad rehab made a video about saving iPhones that were stuck on the Apple logo after the iOS 13 update. And basically, I think the video I have linked here is Lewis's video talking about how our video, which was sponsored by DriveSavers,

had DriveSavers apparently taking credit for this fix, which involved like shorting some speaker IC or something like that, and then booting it and then pulling the data off, then resetting it, then unshorting it, and then the phone would just like work normally. So we have been accused. Kind of wild.

Whoops. Oh my. So we have been accused of amplifying alleged misinformation from drive savers related to who exactly it is that discovered the fix and, uh, drive savers. So, okay. So this appears to be like copied from one of the forum threads or one of the YouTube comments or something, but the, uh, the allegation is that drive savers paid Linus to say that they had discovered the fix, and this is a fact that is contested. So on December 19th, 2019, Jessa from iPad Rehab streams her solution, removing, deactivating speaker amp chip.

She does mention in the video that she's been talking to several larger companies about this problem. She claims she learned of the fix a few days prior to the stream. The place to look for a hardware solution, this to the stream. The place to look for a hardware solution, this is a quote, the place to look for a hardware solution to a software problem is not our idea is definitely not unintelligible RO our own. The credit goes to the collaborative culture of the hardworking men and women in the global independent repair micro soldering community and a few really tenacious board repair guys who are willing to freely share their hard earned

information. And she credits Raj Paul in Australia for one and this is actually something that has been my experience in the data recovery and device repair industry it's incredibly tight-knit like yes everyone's competing there's only so many devices that are broken and need to be fixed I guess with that said I mean I think that the industry could be probably five times the size and it to be fixed, I guess. With that said, I mean, I think that the industry could be probably five times the size and it would be better for the world if people were getting their devices repaired instead of just giving them back to Apple

so that they can be recycled or, which by the way is not, like that's recycling sounds really good. It's not that good. It's a lot better for the device to just keep working. And this was absolutely my experience with deep spar for example we've worked with them on sponsored videos in the past those guys are so cool like they're they're like basically exactly the kind of like russian like data guys that you would expect like one of one of the guys there like literally is it i don't know if

i'm allowed to say this whatever i'm going for it he's literally in a fight club and i was like what because he's like covered in scars and stuff and i'm like so what's what's up with that and like he's like kind of like he's low-key jacked you know what i mean like like not like oh yeah this this is this is all for show and like i pose and stuff but like could definitely knock your head off if he if he hit you hard enough and so i was like yeah i mean we're chill right what's up with all the like scars and stuff and he's like oh yeah yeah i like fight and i'm like oh yeah like boxing he's like no i'm like he's like yeah yeah you just like you yeah yeah i like fight and i'm like oh yeah i like boxing he's like no i'm like he's like yeah yeah you just like you go and you like fight and i'm like

is this fight club and he's like yeah basically i'm like what uh anyway so the deep spar guys are like some of the coolest techies i've ever met and they like are exactly how you would imagine the kinds of people whose job it is is to break the protections or even sometimes just lack of documentation and information from drive manufacturers in order to help people get their data back. And from talking to them, everything that I know about this community is just super collaborative because the cold, hard truth is that between the unwillingness or inability of drive manufacturers to provide spare parts and information on repairing and recovering these devices, it takes a community

in order to make this happen. So it seems like Jess's message overall here sounds about right to me that this is a collaborative thing. So she claims she called DriveSavers and OnTrack to let them know about the fix for the benefit of consumers, since these companies are recommended by Apple. On October 1st, 2020, Linus amplifies this message from DriveSavers that said that they found the fix. And then on October 8th, Lewis Rossman uploaded a video shining light on sort of this disagreement between DriveSavers and Jessa. So in response to us asking DriveSavers about it, they say, quote, We do not share solutions and timeframes when we make advancements in data recovery so

for her to refute our claims um has no basis fair enough drivesavers claims they already had the fix prior to speaking to jessa and they support this using a screenshot taken two days before her stream um paraphrasing i'm paraphrasing here basically, hey, this problem can be solved just so you know. And she says, yep, I know. Thanks. So at this point, I have not spoken to Jessa. I haven't spoken to Lewis. All I've been able to do is go through what they're saying, ask Drive Savers for their take on it they were um i i want to thank them for even talking about this at all uh they were a little reluctant to kind of get into this kind of thing they were like yeah look we don't really engage in this kind of like he said she said um we've been doing this a very very very long time and if you know at the end of the day uh we feel like our reputation stands for itself. So we don't like to get into this kind of like, you know, who found it first, sort of hearsay. And I get that. I totally understand that. I mean, we've gone through similar things in the past where we've

been accused of things by much much smaller youtubers for example that weren't true and unless they really like blew up in the community our approach has always been to just ignore them because the reality of it is when we are when we have 10 times it's driving me crazy when we have 10 times as many subscribers as someone else, our mere acknowledgement of their presence, even if we're calling them a liar, is a net positive gain in exposure for them. And so my general philosophy, anytime someone has wronged me, has been ignore them to death. Now, DriveSavers didn't say any of that. That's all just my approach to these kinds of disagreements. But I do know that they had a reluctance to get in here and talk about of disagreements. But I do know that they had a

reluctance to get in here and talk about this at all. But I want to thank them for sharing their side of the story. I'm not in a position to verify because DriveSavers doesn't talk about this stuff publicly. I'm not in a position to verify who exactly came up with the fix. But I do want to say, you know, hey, I'm glad that the solution was found. I'm glad that people were able to get their data back. I really admire the collaborative nature of the data recovery community. And at the end of the day, I don't think Jess is the bad guy here. I don't think Lewis is the bad guy.

I don't think DriveSavers is the bad guy. I haven't seen any evidence that any of them are a bad guy here. I think at the end of the day, all of them from my interactions with Lewis, from my interactions with DriveSavers, and like I said, I don't know Jessa. I've never spoken to her, but everything that I know about her reputation tells me that these are all people that really do just want individuals and businesses to get their valuable data back. So I just don't want any more drama around this. I have not seen DriveSaver has not led me wrong in the past. So I tend to trust them. But maybe there was just a misunderstanding here.

I mean, this could be as simple as the whole calculus invention thing. I mean, calculus is sort of famous for being invented by two people, or you could call it a discovery. I mean, math is it's inherent so you kind of discover there's a few there's a few things like that too it's not just the calculus one is very interesting but there there's there's quite a few things where like in in completely different parts of the world and without like internet style communication things were discovered simultaneously it's it's a thing it happens um i i i don't know if this is true because i can't hear um but as far as i can tell from looking at the team pgp chat i think you need to check your

twitter because he's wondering what your phone number is i think wendell does not my phone number since what i don't i'm not sure i don't know I'm not sure. I don't know. Maybe. Someone said he needs to, Linus just has to check Twitter for a phone number. Someone said that. So I don't know if that's like legit or not. Okay, one moment, please. I can't hear what Wendell's saying. One moment, please.

We got to place a little call to Kentucky. I was going to say, do you have his phone number? You can solve it that way. We got to place a little call to Kentucky. I was going to say, do you have his phone number? You can solve it that way. We've got to place a little call to Kentucky. Make sure you don't show your screen. Is he trolling me? Please leave a message for 859- Okay, yeah, it's gone, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I need some tech support. Need some tech support here.

All right, I'm going to try one more time. I'm going to try one more time. Oh, wait. Oh, okay. I'm getting a call from some other state. That's probably, yeah. That's okay. I don't know.

I don't know what that is. Okay. He says, no problem. Retry. Sorry. All right. Here we go. Here we go.

We're doing it. We're doing it live, ladies and gentlemen. All right. No, we. Here we go. We're doing it. We're doing it live, ladies and gentlemen. All right. No, we'll do it live, right? Okay. We've got some long distance charges here. Got some long distance charges. Hello?

Hello, my Dell is broken. I pressed the button and he no turn on. Is this the help desk? Yeah, you're going to have to unplug it and he no turn on. Is this the help desk? Yeah, you're going to have to unplug it and plug it back in. Where's the plug button? I can't find it. Do you have a power strip? We can always go for the breaker if nothing else.

What about the meter on the side of your house? There should be a great big disconnect. We can throw that. Okay, you keep changing the subject. You keep changing the subject because I want to talk to you about this toilet seat collection or not seat toilet cover toilet cover collection yeah there's over a hundred i understand that i can tell that from the picture that's not really the question the question is not how many you have the question is why so it turns out that's the thing that plumbers do i

kind of sort of inherited the collection in a manner of speaking and uh this this was your dad a plumber comes from well no no not exactly okay uh uh it just sort of uh it just sort of worked out that way so yeah there's a there's quite a collection of toilet lids from like 1909 all the way up through like 1997. So like 90 years of toilet lids. It's really just completely insane. Okay, can I just as a point of clarification here, what is the point of this? Do you try to get like really cool manufacturing dates? Like this toilet lid was made on the day that Linus Tech Tips

tried Linux for the first time. What's the significance? Yeah, there are a couple of those in there like that, which is completely insane. But is that by chance? Yeah, that's just completely by chance. It's just a fun thing you notice

when you're cataloging them. So even more insane, there are websites dedicated to toilet tank lid replacement. Like somebody chips their lid and it's like, oh man, I need something that matches my vintage 1979 olive green toilet.

Where am I going to get a replacement lid? There's three or four websites that are like, hey, replacementtoiletlid.com. And they have a far more impressive collection than I do. This is one of those things like Mattress Underground where I look at it and I go, wow, who dedicates their life to making sure that people understand the difference between organic latex and regular latex and what mattresses are made of and whatever, like, really? Yeah, yeah. It's one of those rabbit holes that it's like, okay, someone has put a lot of time

into curating this collection, because where else are you going to find, you know, like the olive green, like the olive drab, you know, toilet tank lid or like that certain shade of blue from like 1978. But if you have a toilet like that or like that certain shade of blue from like 1978. But if you have a toilet like that and you chip the lid and you're not going to replace the entire toilet, where else are you going to go? Yeah, I mean, this is just the kind of problem that I never, yeah, I just never imagined myself having. Therefore, I never imagined what the solution would need to be. So I know for a fact that you're a businessman and you also run a youtube channel and i'm sort

of wondering if it's the best use of your time to catalog toilet lids can you could you respond to that it's a it's a little there's a there's a therapeutic component to it maybe so you know okay i don't know uh is it it's a certain there's a certain quiet dignity to I can't even say it with a straight face. There's a quiet dignity to, you know, it's like, oh, wow, this is this certain brand that's from Italy. And, you know, nobody's ever heard of them before. But most of them are, you know, American standard or not really anything too exotic. OK, well, thank you for that. That was wonderful.

That was just one heck of a story. Thanks, Wendell. How late are you guys gaming tonight? Probably another hour or two. I'll take some more pictures and post them on Twitter afterward. Bummer. Okay, I'll probably miss you then. We were going to play some Left 4 Dead 2 later,

but I know you guys are over Eastern. You're Eastern time, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, okay. That's well past my bedtime, but I appreciate it. I'll catch you another time like over eastern you're eastern time right yeah yeah yeah okay all right that's well past my bedtime all right i'll catch you i'll catch you another time i'll catch you another time thanks wendell sounds good thank you take care all right so guys make sure that you uh go check out um wendell on twitter so-k wendell oh okay w-e-n-d-e-l-l it's also at uh level one techs but okay i suspect the toilet seats are going to be on the personal account all right

but yeah all right sounds good uh okay cool well we know. I don't know that that knowledge enriches my life particularly, but thank you for that, Wendell. It enriched mine. Did it? Okay, good. You know what enriches me? This message from our sponsor. Ridge Wallet. Wait, are these not right? Uh-oh. They're wrong? Whoever put the sponsors in the thing kind of derped it, I think, because I have two different sets. I have one set of the lower thirds, like the copy, and then I have another set of talking points.

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Emergency topic. Okay, yeah. That was such a good segue, though. Now, oh, what a waste. Starlink is entering beta, like a public beta soon. Tuesday, 60 Starlink satellites were launched. And when they're in position, the public beta will start. Elon Musk

is unsure when the satellites will reach their target position, but it will probably be within a couple of months. The satellites will reach their target altitude in about 45 days, which is done in batches of 20. So it'll be about 135 days total. This puts the satellites in position around February 18th, 2021. It's a little bit more than a couple months. Musk said the public beta will be available fall of 2020. Okay, so maybe that this is all over the place. With only certain areas getting coverage. A limited beta, okay, so when like one batch goes up, they're starting publicly dead a limited beta has been currently already running in rural areas of washington state there's been some really cool news about that actually uh if you want to look into it there's some some people that have always had issues getting internet connections that now have like decently high

speed internet it's really actually pretty sweet um and apparently this has been oh yeah this has been useful for oh i didn't know this part It's been useful for first responders in rural areas of Washington during the wildfires. Cool. Especially because I believe the news last year was that ISPs were price gouging first responders because they were using too much data and they were charging them tons and tons of money. I remember talking about that on land show. So this is a little bit better news than that. Um, so yeah, that's exciting. I'm definitely going to try this out just because it's me too, for sure. It's just such an interesting transition for, for technology, you know, like this

is, this is just wild. I don't know. I will try it out in the public beta, probably not use it again for at least a very extreme amount of time, but super interesting idea. It'll make like, I remember on a couple of trips that I've done, like, okay, maybe you get a local SIM,

something like that. Something that I started doing more recently was you get the like Google's ISP thing and you can do it through eSIM. Oh, okay. was you get the Google's ISP thing, and you can do it through eSIM. Oh, okay. And you can just subscribe for a little bit of time. But all you really need is some data.

So if you can start using Starlink in those situations, it could be kind of cool. The GMC Hummer infotainment system will be powered by Unreal Engine. What does this mean? Basically, you get a pretty cool looking graphic on your car screen. And that might be basically it. But it could mean more in the future, maybe. Could mean better running, better looking infotainment systems,

which especially for ones that come directly from uh the car manufacturer and aren't like basically done by apple or whatever else that's very needed in my opinion yeah absolutely it's so bad i i would be i would be so thrilled to just see like i mean everything from it being more responsive to just having a like a like a cooler looking interface like everything about that could absolutely be better literally potential uh better like touch detection like there's there's a lot of things they could do with this um so while right now it might just mean a prettier graphic moving forward it it might mean a lot more than just cool all right uh sponsors for the show today ridge wallet stop carrying pointless items around in your pockets

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into our second dramatic topic of the week msi was accused of scalping their own rtx 3080 inventory they well actually let's let's go through this in chronological order yeah i have an interesting question for you on this one but hit me why don't you start with that we should maybe go through the okay you you didn't all msi pc and the sponsorship just so i'm assuming it was a sponsorship just so happened to be right now is that legit yes it's like how does that feel it's like they're trying to make me look bad okay can i ask when was that agreed to oh man months ago like yeah okay maybe not months but definitely weeks multiple weeks like we've had the parts on hand yes we've had the parts on hand

for a while like unbelievable so i saw i saw that tweet go out and i was like okay i know this for a fact was not like a knee-jerk thing there's no way this was planned out like a day or two ago this must have been way in the past but now they're stuck with this project so man the good news is that i was right about the msi scandal so what happened was it broke on reddit that uh i think it's called like msi can no no no no no what's it what's it called they didn't actually put any notes in here for me on this which is just talking point pretty pretty annoying so i think it's called like starlet starlet partner seller or something like that is is what it's called on ebay starlit partner and i don't know if you guys know this but msi stands for microstar international so um starlit partner has a long

history of a long sales history they had like 1500 reviews with pretty with a pretty high rating and as far as anyone could tell they only sold msi products And so it looked as though this was like kind of an MSI... MSI eBay store. MSI eBay store, like sell direct to customers kind of eBay store. And they're not the only ones that have done something like that. But what people were upset about was that MSI had RTX 3080s listed there for like double the MSRP. So around 1500 US dollars. I mean, that's the price of the RTX 3090. If MSRP, which I guess no one cares about anymore, is anything to go by. So people got mad because they were like, hey, you know, the messaging from Nvidia is like, we're trying

really hard to get these cards into the hands of gamers at the price that we said they were supposed to be. And then you got partners like MSI running around selling them for apparently $13.59. $13.59 was what they had it listed for. So that is a little less than double the price. Sorry, excuse me. I'll correct myself here. So people were understandably outraged because, you know, here is everyone else in good faith trying to get these cards into the hands of real gamers instead of scalpers and here's msi profiteering off of this extremely allocated card all right so as this was blowing up i had a conversation with i don't know if i don't know if he wants me to talk about who it was but I had a conversation with a buddy of mine in the tech space. And I was like, look, here's my hypothesis. Here's my theory. I think this is probably just,

I think this is real. So there was some initial doubt about whether Starlit partner was even MSI. So everyone was like digging into like trademark registrations and all kinds of stuff. And I was like, ah, it looks like MSI to me. It smells like MSI. It looks like MSI. It's probably MSI. And as it turns out, it was MSI. And then from there, there was, oh, great. So as part of the process, this friend of mine called up Starlet and was like, this is weird because, okay, I could believe it's MSI from like the kind of things they're selling and their long history of existing and all that stuff. Their good rating, for example. But it was weird because I like called them and it just went to like some guy's

voicemail. And I was like, all right, I'm once again going to lean on my experience working for a computer. It's hard to it's hard to classify NCIX because on the one hand, they're like a small time, like hole in the wall computer store. But on the other hand, they peaked at like 200 million dollars a year revenue and like 250 employees. But they never really outgrew that attitude. So I was like, OK, let me share a little anecdote with you from my time at NCIX. Because here's my theory. I think the eBay team pretty much just like somehow got their hands on some of these and were like, wow, this would look really good on our P&L report for the month. So for those of you not familiar, P&L is profit and loss. And typically, if you have a

small team working on kind of a weirdo side project like that, they would have some kind of KPIs that they're supposed to hit like, you know, oh, you need to move through X number of dollars in dead stock a month, or you need to sell it, you know, X amount of profit, which would incentivize them to put up more attractive looking listings with better pictures, so that they would stand out. So my take on it was the eBay team probably got their hands on these things somehow, either by accident or through like conniving to get access to them, decided to sell them, probably thought they were doing the company a favor by making way more money on these things. And, and that's, I probably not like, I know the guy that runs MSI USA and like,

he's a good guy. Like, I don't, I don't think there's any way that he would have known anything about this. Um, the, the, like one, one of the weird things that I saw was, and it was actually posted by Sparta man 64. Yeah. Um, a huge poster on the LTT forum. But it's an Amazon link to the seller details of Starlit Partner. Yeah.

And their detailed seller information has their business name as MSI Computer Corp. Yes. And their business address as like City of Industry, blah, blah, blah. Yes. But that could have potentially been faked at least over the short absolutely the thing that made me pretty sure was that they'd existed for so long and had so many reviews with that address listed like clearly someone would have had to return something at some point and someone would have noticed that like um you know the address doesn't match or

whatever graph is card coming from yeah so i figured it was as simple as the the ebay oh right so back to my anecdote um so ncix they they were a small hole in the wall computer shop but they were also like a national chain and i was like i'm gonna let you in on something our ebay store which was how we got rid of a lot of the open box and refurbished items or dead stock items that we just couldn't promote in a more conventional way had one guy running it tim and if you called the number you got tim's voicemail and my friend's like really and i'm like yeah like that doesn't surprise me at all like not one bit so on the one hand even companies that do like the the numbers that you push then, like a lot of times you're doing so many things that that sections, especially small sections, they're very likely ran by just one person with very little oversight.

And exactly. That's the thing is like you could look at it and go, no, there's no way MSI wouldn't know about this. But NCIX was a relatively small partner of MSI back in the day. And this relatively small partner, I would be ordering anywhere from 300 to like 800 video cards a week. MSI is not noticing like four graphics cards being sold on the eBay store. This is a rounding error for a business of that magnitude. So it's like, yeah, we can go all conspiracy theory, tinil hat like oh yeah they were profiteering get real that's not that's not realistic anyone with the with the foresight to make actual business decisions wouldn't have time to deal with whatever the ebay guys are doing and also would know better than to get

caught selling graphics cards for double the price. So that was my take on it. I actually have not kept up with what anyone else has said about it. So I don't know. I don't know if I don't know if whoever I was talking to, I don't know if they've come out and said they were talking to me about it. I don't know what ended up actually happening for sure. But yeah, I just... Oh, apparently I was... Okay, no, apparently I was mentioned by name. So I was talking to Steve about it.

Apparently Steve from Gamers Nexus did talk about our conversation. So how did that turn out? You guys will have to let me know in the chat. I didn't actually watch it it i was busy making my own videos i i it makes sense to me that like the dude that runs the ebay thing was like hey i can like make my numbers look better yeah i wouldn't wouldn't be surprised if that happened uh people are like msi admitted it yeah what do you mean msi admitted what that was never that was never a question for me starlit partner was definitely msi um so apparently uh the the net that Steve basically

called customer support before he started contacting his Taiwan contacts man Steve goes hardcore Steve goes hardcore I love Steve it's like yeah I'm like I'm gonna learn Chinese so that I can like talk to the real engineers and stuff like, man. Yeah, I love that guy. I love that guy. So people aren't saying that they wouldn't want to risk something like that for such a small amount of money. Someone on Twitter said something like Linus did about how they're so big they wouldn't want to risk something like that for a small amount of money. Jay said, go away.

The adults are talking. Now, that's I strongly disagree with Jay's sentiment there everyone that I know at MSI who actually is in a position of authority has way more common sense like you have no idea the kind of impact that it would be on MSI's business for them to be doing something like that and get caught by a partner like nvidia nvidia holds so much power over their partners and has made it very very clear um apparently tech link said it wasn't msi oh bloody hell you guys i i'm sorry i did a perfect example of not every single part of a company having perfect oversight from the ceo all the time yeah pretty much there are things that happen um oh man now i'm all distracted what was i saying again uh you were talking about uh jay oh nvidia nvidia's power so if nvidia were to discover

that msi was profiteering off of rtx80s, I can pretty much guarantee you, I can guarantee you from my experience dealing with NVIDIA, dealing with their partners, the amount of fear of NVIDIA that exists in the industry is palpable. NVIDIA's actions would go something along these lines. Their quarters MDF would be either cut or eliminated. Their allocation of future RTX 3080 would be either cut or eliminated for some period of time. Like NVIDIA has the means to make their partners bleed because RTX 3080 chips are effectively like money. They're just money. The more of them that NVIDIA can make right now, the more money NVIDIA can print. Yeah, because like, I think I'm not the only one getting to this point. But this is this if you can get the stuff. And I mean, some of it's

not even out yet, but it's coming soon. This is a fantastic time to build a new computer. The last generation of graphics cards was like, I've been talking about that for a few shows now it was it was not very good for a lot of reasons and the last step of processors was like continually very impressive but still had some wins on the other side right now you have like a fantastic card at a great price and a fantastic processor at a great price that are like new shiny fancy options so i suspect a lot of people are like new, shiny, fancy options. So I suspect a lot of people are trying to get stuff. And like Linus just said, if you can ship it,

it's immediate money every time. Fleoner says, Steve basically said that even though the high-ups at MSI didn't notice, it was still unacceptable. Yep, sounds about right. Yeah. But it's also the kind of thing that, in fairness to MSI, hasn't come up in a while.

When was the last time there was a GPU that was so allocated that weeks after launch, nobody could get one still. It's been years and years and years. And I mean, that's how, that's how new policies get made is you have to kind of come up against an edge case where the existing policy didn't work and you have to fix it. where the existing policy didn't work and you have to fix it. So yeah, NVIDIA carries a huge stick. And there's no way that anyone who interacts with NVIDIA at all would have approved something like that. But it's definitely a good call that they're putting policies in place

to prevent it in the future because it's not acceptable. Like it's still profiteering, even if they didn't know they were doing it. Yes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, it's not a good thing. I think profiteering, even if they didn't know they were doing it. Yes. Yeah. Oh yeah. No, it's not a good thing. I think we're just kind of explaining that like the leadership very likely

didn't know. Yeah. But yeah, it should still be addressed. Someone in, someone in float plane chat said like there should be refunds or the different, the difference between the like raised price and the stock price should be

sent over. Like those are interesting ideas another thing that someone in floatplane chat brought up if i can find it i just accidentally scrolled away from it olenek uh said talk about am5 do you think the 5950x is a dead-end cpu on am4 this is something i meant to actually talk about earlier in the show and forgot i'd be very surprised if it's not. Me too. Okay, so there's a few things here. So one is we know that DDR5 is in production.

I think it was Micron. Did Micron post a picture of a module the other day? DDR5 exists now. And RAM doesn't really tend to exist until there's a platform that's going to support it that needs to be developed for them to put it in. And then that timeline is, you know, anywhere from usually, what, 12 to 18 months, something along those lines. So that falls really nicely in line with AM5, which I think has AMD confirmed DDR5 ddr5 on am5 blah blah blah amd zen 4 ryzen 5 blah blah am5 platform in 2022 usb4 something something something this looks like a rumor this is this is a rumor um so it leaked out over at gamers nexus ignore the naming because they went and skipped 4,000. So I guess it would probably be 6,000. I would be very, very surprised

to see an AM5 CPU work on an X570 board. But I also wouldn't be... I mean, it wouldn't be impossible. We have seen CPUs in the past that have had memory controllers that can communicate with multiple standards. If I recall correctly, I mean, I know there were definitely platforms that supported multiple ones, but I'm actually, I'm a little hazy on whether that was through the chipset or whether that was actually through an integrated memory controller. You guys will have to

help me out here. Integrated memory controller, DDR2, DDR3. It would have been kind of back in those days. I'm pretty sure we've seen mobile CPUs that have support for both DDR2 ddr3 it would have been kind of back in those days i'm pretty sure we've seen mobile cpus that have support for both ddr2 and ddr3 or ddr3 ddr4 just one thing i made a mistake yeah um they the emma and i want to address it because the i full plane chat's freaking out i'm sure all the other chats are freaking out too um so that that was not a like suggestion that is what they're doing um they they have fully i know you mentioned this but they fully clarified it was four graphics cards in total in the u.s only and they have said that individual customers who purchase these gpus they offered to they offered two options to the customers the customers can return the product and receive a full refund

or a partial refund of the amount paid over msi's msrp and moving forward msi will enforce a stricter policy to avoid a situation like this happening again but yeah those were not suggestions those were that is specifically what msi is doing and i think that that sounds completely acceptable to me i i don't know some people are just honestly being kind of stupid about it um joris says giving price difference between msrp and price charged or a refund is not a nice idea Some people are just honestly being kind of stupid about it. Jora Siboweth says, giving price difference between MSRP and price charged or a refund is not a nice idea. What else would you do?

What are you talking about? If I had the cash to throw around on a very, very priced up graphics card and someone else probably, not even me, figured out that it was't like that it was technically msi and they were like being weird annoying scalpers yeah and i just got a ton of money back i'd be super stoked i'd be like thanks if i was like personally offended by the fact that that whole situation even happened despite the fact that i bought a scalped graphics card so i

don't really know how i have much to say in that situation. But if I was, I could just return and get all of my money back easy. Oh, hold on. I see what happened here. This was the clone. There's two U's in the name. So he's insane. That's why he's upset about this solution. What?

Oh, I thought this was some Star Wars lore that you would enjoy. Sorry, where? Where is this? The username on YouTube is Joris Siboth or Kaboth. I don't know how to pronounce that. star wars lore that you would enjoy wait sorry where where is this the the username in uh on youtube is joris saboth or kabo I don't know how to pronounce that okay yeah so I was just I don't the only reason I responded to the comment was because I wanted to set up that punch line uh sorry I've been reading flow plane chat not those not those youtube plebs oh apparently it's two r's not two u's dang dang maybe i got it

wrong whatever i'm okay with it so yeah it's bad and uh okay it's over um playstation 5 teardown okay so there's a few takeaways here giant cooler that's pretty cool he got him so i i know that one of sony's one of sony's key design points for the console has been that they want it to be able to turbo hard um so that's that's pretty sick uh what else we got here um the uh the side panels being so easily removable and potentially replaceable i had i talked to david at work he's already like yeah i'm for sure going to get some of the third party side panels that will for sure exist for this thing i was going to do a d brand skin on the stock ones but now i'm going to wait and see

what becomes available as a third party option because that's pretty sick like as a way to customize a console that was clearly designed to look stand out right yeah i like it i like it i'm into it what what were the standouts for you? It's huge. And like, we already knew that, but oh my goodness. I know, right? Like seeing a person for scale,

like and hands working on it. It's like crazy. And especially like I put an Xbox Series X in my media console last week as part of like a preview video that's going to go up soon and i was like wow it like fits you know playstation 5 where's it gonna fit like that's a problem how does this fit into my living room setup you know it's interesting i don't know and like watching the this two things from the teardown video the audio is like terrible and the dude is the least interested in this process you could like possibly

be which was uh you know interesting but yeah my my main takeaway from it honestly like the cooler is awesome but the thing is just gigantic oh i lied apparently that preview with the xbox series x is already up on floatplane so i don't know when it's coming up on youtube um yeah so anyway uh other key takeaways here uh the m.2 expansion slot was shown so it also has convenient holes for vacuuming out dust that are also located under the side panels really interesting that's great it's good to see someone like like apple set so many industry trends and like not giving any talks about the fact that dust is going to build up in the cooling of your system is one of the ones that i find most egregious like especially when they design their systems to run like right

at the red line right out of the factory the fact that they don't include any dust filtration on the mac pro the the new mac pro was something that i was just looking at going man you guys addressed so many of the other problems couldn't you just put a dust filter in it like come on um so it's really nice to see a console finally address this nice to see a console finally address this uh vrms dedicated cooling uh massive cooler let's see instead of typical paste for thermal interface material this was so cool liquid metal yeah with the like with the like foam dam or whatever yeah yeah yeah so we've seen this done before to my knowledge asus was the first to ship a commercial product with it in their mothership laptop.

I think they were the first. And it was not a simple process from what they told me because it's not, liquid metal is not just a matter of like, apply it once and forget about it. It seeps, like it's liquid at room temperature. So it can like come out, it can short things, it can all come out.

So it's not even in there anymore and you don't get good thermal transfer. So Sony apparently tackled it in a pretty similar manner to Asus, going for like a kind of dam around it that'll keep the liquid metal in place, hopefully. I saw some people saying, oh, that's so stupid.

You're gonna have to replace it every... I saw someone say that you're gonna have to replace every three to six months. What do you like? Are you, are you insane? Are you Joris to both the second clone here or something? Because there's a, can you imagine a company, the size of Sony and I get it.

Big companies can still make boneheaded mistakes, but can you imagine with how well known the properties of liquid metal are a company like Sony being stupid enough to make it. So you have to reapply your thermal interface material every three to six months. Like what are you talking about? Yeah. And like,

it's cool that it seems like, like the teardown experience actually seems like decently well thought out. Yeah. Not, not difficult to do. I remember like trying to take apart Xbox three sixties. Cause those just broke all over the place so like people doing zombified repair jobs on xbox 360s was like a genuine hobby um but i i like looking at this tearing it down looks so convenient

and accessing those like expansion ports and stuff seems great like i wanted to address the like memeing that's happened like xbox tried to meme this a little bit by showing that their expansion port essentially is just like plugging something into the back of the console but like yeah but this is this is pretty cool and it's not a bad solution um and the the techie side of me likes it because it's like kind of there's a lot of modern stuff like we we've lost tactile interaction like getting a new game you just download it like you don't have the physical copy anymore it's just there like watching a movie you don't go to the store to get it it's just you just stream it like there's there's so much less that you do with things

and i think it's kind of cool that like, and I know definitely as a kid, I would have even appreciated this more. Like if I bought an expansion thing for my PlayStation and I had to like take it apart, like see the internals and like actually add something to this system and then put it back together myself. Like that's such a cool experience.

I wouldn't always, oh my goodness, the bird does not agree. I wouldn't always agree with that but because the teardown experience is actually like so good um that that makes me think more in that way you know what i mean yeah 100 i'm just reading chat jacks i'm not actually like multitasking i'm paying attention to luke too they're like linus multitasking right now no no, no, no, no, no. The, I love that both of the new consoles have nice large fans. I think I'm allowed to talk about

that the Xbox Series X is quiet. I'm not sure. I won't, I hope I'm allowed to talk about it. I don't know. I didn't look that close there. I'll wait, I'll wait for the audio. You didn't look that close. Yeah, I didn't look that close.

I don't know. I don't know. There's like a whole set of like guidelines and stuff. And we haven't worked with Microsoft on the console side of things that much. The last thing I want to do is like say something that's technically under embargo still and like get in trouble.

So we're just, we're going to take our time with it. We've got a ton of Xbox Series X content planned. So far, I don't think we have any confirmation that we're even getting a PlayStation five. So hopefully we are. But we'll see how that goes. Anyway, I love that Sony went liquid metal, it really does make a big difference. Like for the same heatsink solution. If you're borderline with a more conventional thermal interface material, liquid metal will probably push you across the finish line. So I'm excited to see what the performance looks like, regardless of the theoretical gigaflops that both Sony and Microsoft have been throwing around. In other Sony news, Sony revealed a list of PlayStation 4 games that will not run on the PlayStation 5.

Revealed a list of PlayStation 4 games that will not run on the PlayStation 5. DWVR, Afro Samurai 2, TT Isle of Man, Just Deal With It, Shadow Complex Remastered, Robinson the Journey, We Sing, Hitman Go, Shadwin, and Joe's Diner. Should be all right. So I don't recognize most of these names. One of them that stood out to me was Hitman Go because it's a mobile game. Yeah, it should be okay. It's probably fine.

If you really miss it. Oh, I don't want to pull a blizzard, but oh boy. I was gonna say if you really miss it, you can play it on your phone. But like, I don't. Yeah, I don't know. I have a feeling that's not the only one in here. That's probably more on the mobile side of things. Yeah.

We don't know why they won't run. Could be due to licensing issues. There are also some general PlayStation 5 backwards compatibility limitations for PS4 games. So the share menu can't be displayed within PS4 games running on a PS5. Screenshots will need to be generated using the create button on a DualSense controller.

A tournaments feature from PS4 is also not compatible with the ps5 nor is in-game live or second screen apps and game companion apps so there are going to be some things that are not going to be quite the same as the original experience but with just 10 titles ruled out it looks like what we're headed towards for both Microsoft and Sony, now that they're both just x86 boxes with AMD graphics cards in them is potentially just backwards and backwards compatibility pretty much across the board. Like I'd be shocked if Xbox, whatever boneheaded thing they call it is backwards compatible with a series X and X that isn't a series um

and 360 and like all that good stuff and i'd also be surprised if sony playstation 6 because they're sensible it's probably what it'd be called is backwards compatible going way way back um sony says select ps4 games will work with ps5's game boost feature that will make older ps4 games run at higher frame rates but we don't have a list of games that will support that feature just yet so i've been looking into like random games on this list uh so far uh afro samurai 2 has a 21 percent metacritic score oof um shadow complex was released in 2009 originally on the xbox 360 like i yeah i don't think we're yeah i think it's probably okay i

think we're not missing out on much here should be all right yeah i think we're all right all right so uh finally apple's t2 security chip has an unfixable flaw so now you lose your data um but hey it was all for security hey you got him uh okay so a recently released tool by hacking group check rain is letting anyone exploit an unusual Mac vulnerability to bypass Apple's trusted T2 security chip and gain deep system access. The hack is based on the Checkmate crack that has been used to jailbreak older iPhones and iPads for some time now, which relies on a similar, if not identical, flaw in the T2 security chip. T2 security chip. The T2 chip provides secure encryption and storage access for features like Touch ID and full disk encryption, and has been criticized for causing an inability to install third-party operating systems outside of Apple's official bootcamp support. One hacker has apparently even gotten the broken T2 chip to run Linux on the MacBook Touch bar. Wow, that's pretty cool. Critically for Apple, the access also means that activation lock can be bypassed which

could result in a rise in theft in app of apple devices that's a bummer because that's one of the things that's really nice about full disk encryption and this this kind of like uh encryption chip lockery tomfoolery is that you can basically leave a phone like if it's a if it's an encrypted device you could basically leave a phone. Like if it's an encrypted device, you could basically leave a phone somewhere and know that unless someone really just wants the like $14 that they'll get for giving it to a recycler, there's a solid chance they'll call the number

on your lock screen and try and return it to you because a locked phone is basically worthless. Not anymore. File vault encryption keys are also stored in the T2, which means encrypted user data is also at risk if a device is stolen. This is a big deal for all the enterprises that have a bunch of Apple devices deployed to their staff. And the flaw is apparently virtually unpatchable as a result of its low-level nature, meaning that all existing T2-enabled Macs are likely vulnerable and will remain vulnerable indefinitely.

Now, there's some good news. It can't be done remotely and requires physical access to the vulnerable computer. And that's rule number one of electronics security is physical access is access. So basically, no changes there. And it also isn't persistent. So any changes to the T2 are lost when it resets, which is not necessarily at the same time the computer resets, by changes there. And it also isn't persistent. So any changes to the T2 are lost when it resets, which is not necessarily at the same time

the computer resets, by the way. Czech Reign security researcher Dani L tweeted that the T2 exploit isn't as big as people might think because it's been known for over a year and other more serious vulnerabilities exist. This attack requires deliberate targeting to be truly scary. Anthony's note is that this is interesting

because if this has been known about widely in the security community, it raises questions about anti-encryption legislation's rationale against Apple. Yeah, it does kind of, doesn't it? Why do they even care if Apple's encryption is there if it's just broken anyway? If it's bad, yeah.

Yeah, well, that's a whole, that's almost like a whole separate WAN show, ladies and gentlemen. And we don't have time for that because Luke and I got to play video games tonight. We got to play some video games. Yeah. But before we do that, I have to address that someone just sent 1200 Mexican dollars. Wow.

Oh, Fabian says, hey, I got a refund on my missing order from LTT store. And two months later, the courier finally found my shiz and I'm very happy with my order. So here's the money back. Hey, thank you. Appreciate that. Appreciate that. Shout out to LTTstore.com, by the way.

They had an outstanding week this week. Apparently we have a lot of long armed followers. We launched a shirt that I was basically like yeah the fit's weird it doesn't fit me right it's got like super long arms so if like you have long arms then go ahead and order it and all these people bought it it was our it was our biggest sales day ever i was like what okay sure so apparently that's the solution we need to start targeting niche fits so are nerds is that a is that a trait is that a common trait nerds i didn't think so but i mean the thing is you got like enough you gotta you got 300 000 people

so even if you know one percent of them have long arms that's like a lot of shirts it's like 3 000 shirts right so. And if you consistently have a problem with the sleeves on your shirts being too short and you hear like, Hey, this shirt has long arms. Yeah. I can see that being like a need. You already know the qualities there. It's, it's probably a really cool shirt. So if it fits you better, like sweet. Sure. What else? So yeah, that, that's the new concept okay is we're gonna do like kind of weird fits like hey if you have super stumpy legs we've got we've got the joggers for you don't keep buying capri pants you know and then wearing them as regular pants these are regular pants they're

just short they're just really short yeah was that the what what shirt was that uh the short circuit one yeah it looks really cool too. Yeah, it's really nice. Do you have RTX voice on and is it still coming through? I don't have RTX voice because I don't have... Oh, that's right. Oh, sorry. Sorry, I don't speak poor people. I think...

Yeah. Economically sound is how I prefer to say it. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, it's a really cool shirt and I like the sleeve art. I think it's... Yeah, it's dope. I'm not going to say it yeah yeah but yeah it's a really cool shirt and i like the sleeve art i think it's yeah it's dope i'm not gonna bring it up on screen because i don't need that many more people buying it because i think we moved through like basically almost all of our initial inventory so i'm not i'm not i'm not supposed to push ltd store that hard this week because our shippers like way backed up and like we moved through most of those shirts and stuff so maybe next week we'll have a launch for you or something uh sergi says uh is there any difference in features between rtx

2000 and 3000 or is it just performance as far as i can tell it's just performance um there is some new video encode and decode stuff um but i actually oh don't quote me on that because i think rtx 2000 might be getting like backported some of the features of RTX 3000. Does RTX 2000 get, like, VP1 decoding? Dang it, you called me on this live. VP1 decoding. Video decode and encode support matrix. Oh, boy.

NVIDIA design works. Here we go. Dang it. Where's, where's, wait, do they not have Ampere on here yet? Dang it, NVIDIA. VP1. VP1's not even on here. Okay, well, I got, I got nothing for you. I'm sorry, guys. Ampere is not even on here okay well i got i got nothing for you i'm sorry guys

ampere's not on here yet so uh i don't remember there oh crap i hate getting uh blindsided by stuff like this and then not knowing speaking of uh blindsided but you will know um so also sorry that was actually my bad with the bird he was asking for food and i was just ignoring him and i didn't realize it but uh amazon story you played at amazon oh right oh man i don't know we might have to talk about this next week i'm hungry okay okay sorry guys or or uh are you gonna stream games tonight um i don't know yet i haven't decided okay okay um uh someone brought up hdmi 2.1 yes that is a new feature so being able to run 4k at 120 hertz but then like sort of related to performance there's no there's no need for it if you uh there's no

need for it if you don't have a 3000 series, basically. Mentendo asks, are those 6XX or 58X on your head, Linus? These are HD 600s. These are neither. These are older, so they're very similar to the 6XXs. Fan24DRR says, if you expect something in return from someone on the other side of Vancouver, is that a quid pro quo quitlum? What? The response was great.

Okay. Henry Stickman says, would watch entire WAN show, but hololive VTubers are live. So here. So send whatever 500 PHPs are. I don't know what kind of monies that is uh her mama's llama says your mama's llama i want to buy some ltd underwear but my wife won't let me unless they have linus's face

on them i am serious and i really want to make this happen uh it's possible anything is possible we've got our new underwear supplier totally sorted out we've got the fit fixed i was wearing them this week i tried the mediums i think nick tried the larges. I think the entire sizing chart is now the same as the old ones. So we are ready to rock on them and there's going to be some new designs and hopefully we'll be able to roll them more quickly now.

I have a bone to pick with you and the LTT store team. Okay, what'd they do? You have cool designs, high quality, prices are banging. Where's your masks, dude? Okay, so we have a sample of a mask design.

I didn't really like it. I didn't really like the fit. As you probably know, we don't launch anything that I'm not 100% happy with other than that shirt, which I basically didn't even try to sell it. I was like, oh, the arms are too long. But then apparently you guys are into that. So I don't know, whatever.

I wasn't happy with it basically. And it wasn't the design that I really wanted. I wanted to do a subnet mask. So I wanted to just have like 255.255.255.0 and then like some other common subnets down one side. I thought that would be like super cool. And then I got some other design that was like based on our circuit board thing.

And it's like, yeah, it looks all right. But I wanted the subnet mask and I'm not and then i got some other design that was like based on our circuit board thing and it's like yeah it looks all right but i wanted the subnet mask and i'm not really willing to launch anything other than that so that's my take on it right now okay well you guys should figure that out because it seems like the whole mask thing is probably here to stay for a while so yeah i know right um no name i booted up my old android phone to send you my google play balance uh thank you 12 and 12 cents okay i'll do like two more uh ben roberts asks linus only fans when i don't know how much the wife would like it there that's gonna be my excuse i'm gonna you guys could do an only fans that was purely uh like uh uh purely uh like uh uh peels i can't remember the oh that's lame if i'm not if i'm not gonna get lewd i'm not gonna do it there that's kind of uh daniel says like peels and like graphics card

cooler removals no no no no if i think you guys would get some if you're gonna be on the site you might as well do um all right daniel says you're amazing thanks daniel you too uh dark guy asks if we will review the eve spectrum 4k monitor would absolutely love to uh ryan asks you getting much use out of the bath gaming rig haven't really been gaming much but i have been watching tv in the bath it's been great my kids love it too uh ryzen 5000 better for gaming except intel still has the highest single core clock speed clock speed oh come on come on bro come on what year is it i'm sure i'm sure i'm sure linus media group somewhere has a good video about that and i'm also sure that like gamers nexus i i named him because he makes a lot of those types of videos but i'm sure a lot of other people have videos about that too it is not just clock speed my dude okay so i

posted that in the youtube chat there's our video addressing it on tech quickie um all right that's it thank you guys very much for tuning in this week we will see you again next week same bat time same bat channel bye how did this show get to be like an hour and a half long when did that happen is it supposed to be an hour and we do the pre-show too. I know. It's like two hours. It's like very long. Very long. Very hungry.

Very hungry. Yeah, I want to get something too. I will be around. All right. Yeah.