The WAN Show - Apphole - WAN Show January 26, 2024

Episode Date: January 27, 2024

Start your day on the right foot with AG1 at http://drinkAG1.com/WANshow Visit https://www.squarespace.com/WAN and use offer code WAN for 10% off Treat your feet with Vessi! Save 15% with our offer code WANSHOW at https://vessi.com/WANSHOW Timestamps (Courtesy of NoKi1119) 0:00 Chapters 0:55 Intro 1:18 Topic #1 - Apple "maliciously" complies with EU's Digital Markets Act 8:04 Linus on Apple's fees, Luke mentions Steam & sideloading, Windows RT 15:56 Dan is not here, Linus on Apple Vision Pro & its weight ft. Dan & NAND 18:54 Apple's cleaning cloth, Linus's point on luxury branding, Luke's fading color idea 21:45 Topic #2 - Framework 16 officially releases 24:57 Luke points out The Verge's review, The Verge's pre-production unit 30:00 Reacting to LTT's Framework 16 review video 31:26 Linus on not recommending GPU upgrade, MXM, failed promises 37:10 Linus on board manufacturers, Nvidia's habits, conversation with Silverstone at Computex 41:54 Continuing the reaction: Framework's GPU solution 45:30 Framework's keyboard, chassis flex, DO NOT use electric tapes! 48:22 Side firing speakers, expansion slots, laptop charger, Framework guides 51:51 LTT's ElectroBOOM Framework build challenge video 52:30 Specs of review laptops, benchmark charts 55:36 dbrand's sticker application, LTT Lab's tests 57:36 Linus recalls warehouse's thermostat internal drama 1:00:23 Continuing the reaction: thermal benchmarks, panel issues, price 1:05:26 Linus on the video quality, recalls tours, Luke shows Framework update 1:08:16 Recalling CSF's circle video, Elijah doing "how to do a backflip" idea 1:10:22 LTTStore screwdriver bits prices increase 1:12:12 Yvonne's tweet video on Linus failing a backflip on a trampoline 1:13:22 LTTStore's "The Steve" Turtleneck 1:14:03 LTTStore's new women's PJ set 1:14:35 LTT precision screwdriver email signup 1:15:01 Merch Messages #1 1:15:08 More janky cooling adventures videos? ft. Triggered Dan, AJ's comment 1:19:02 Precision driver's smaller bits, prototype bits storage ft. Linus spin game 1:22:22 Advice on doing tasks you don't find passion in? TARKOV is a rogue-like 1:27:09 Topic #3 - Teen charged over a bad Snapchat joke 1:31:08 Linus on keeping your mouth shut near sensitive places 1:34:06 Sponsor - AG1 1:35:20 Sponsor - Squarespace 1:36:20 Sponsor - Vessi 1:37:53 Merch Messages #2 1:44:25 Advice to stop my personal life from affecting my work life? 1:50:21 Can you tell us more about your video? 1:51:48 Linus plans to cancel subscriptions on Apple TV next WAN Show 1:53:26 Topic #4 - More layoffs within the gaming industry 1:57:06 Topic #5 - HP wants to make printing "a subscription" 2:01:45 LTTStore's new ShortCircuit T-shirt 2:02:20 LTTStore's 100% Cotton T-shirt 2:03:40 Topic #6 - Why LTT didn't review Nvidia's latest graphics cards 2:11:55 Topic #7 - Disney's HoloTile, a multi directional VR treadmill 2:15:19 Topic #8 - MrBeast's video promoted as "not an ad" on Twitter/X 2:18:34 Topic #9 - Nvidia's RTX HDR videos AI upscaler 2:23:10 Merch Message #2 ft. WAN Show After Dark 2:23:54 Are you worried about LTT Labs pulling an Icarus? 2:25:04 Would Intel's plans make prices user friendly? Why expand into Ohio? 2:27:56 LTT Labs' website Peripheral comparison experience? 2:30:48 Luke's fitness journey & 2024 Fitness goals ft. Linus's game 2:34:38 Thoughts on rumors of Intel killing hyperthreading? 2:38:04 Could you explain how YouTube Premium works with monetization? 2:38:51 Are you still using ThioJoe's comment moderation? 2:42:00 How do you feel about Cloudflare? 2:44:26 When have you found your kids wanting something you already had first? 2:45:58 What's the worst company to threaten price increases as promotions? 2:47:39 Will you do another month challenge with Intel Arc Battlemage? 2:50:23 Inheritance tax stopped LMG from being a real company, got a plan? 2:55:40 Any product that still exists that was based on a once innovative feature? 3:02:20 Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Okay. I'll just do all the topics. We're going to be talking about the Framework 16, Apple complying with the EU, but like only sort of, not really. The HP CEO saying the quiet part out loud. We're going to be talking about... Now you're the one searching. Crap, this is hard.

Yeah. There's like two good ones. Okay, pick one more. Go. I was going to do teenager criminally charged for Snapchat joke. Yeah, really? Wow. Well, it wasn't a good joke, though.

That's true. Okay. the show today is brought to you by ag1 squarespace and avesi why don't we jump right into our headline topic which is of course apple's compliance with the EU's regulations that are forcing them to behave less like a walled garden and more like a falled... A garden with barbed wire around it. Dummy. Yeah, so... Okay.

Apple is being accused of malicious compliance with the European Union's Digital Markets Act, or DMA, after detailing its plans to add support for third-party app stores, third-party payment systems, and browser engines other than Safari to iOS in the European Union. In a news release, Apple repeatedly emphasized that the DMA opens new avenues for malware, fraud, and scams, and illicit and harmful content, and other privacy and security threats. Now, here's what I'd like to know. Yeah. Apple's a very privacy and security first company, aren't they?

Yes. So then, with all the resources that they have, are they at hundreds of billions of dollars of cash reserves right now probably yeah and with all the with all the people in the tech industry that are in need of work right now i would like to know apple what investments you're making to ensure that as an iphone user in the european union i'm not going to be affected by this stuff. No, seriously though, Apple's one of those companies that this is very unlike them. To acknowledge any

potential flaw in their product, even if it is caused by compliance with a third-party regulation, they don't like to talk about that. They like to talk about safety and security and privacy and the apple experience you can tell they're at they're at the desperation stage to try to do something about this um however

apple has a solution apple has instituted multiple safeguards including requiring apple authorization of all developers on alternative of alternative app marketplaces a letter of credit of a million euros in order to launch an alternative app store disclosure of alternative payments data, notarization of all apps, that is app review by bots and humans. So basically Apple is saying, okay, you can have your own store, but the only way that we could possibly ensure the security of the iPhone

is if we're basically like in charge of it. And also you pay us a bunch of money. Of what? Apple will be reducing their current fees. A 10% fee for subscriptions, a 17% fee for digital goods and services, and an additional 3% for using Apple's payment system. However, Apple will also be adding

a new core technology fee. so once an app hits 1 million installs its devs will have to pay 50 euro cents is that what they're actually called euro cents yeah i don't know 50 half of a euro for every new user who installs it on ios annually that is wild okay anyway the app can be reinstalled by the same user for no charge for 12 months though wow it's actually euro cents this applies to paid apps and free apps apple says they will have an install verification mechanism to avoid install spam because i'm sure it'll be like totally in their interest to ensure that the experience on third-party app stores is really good.

They've really telegraphed that. Apple has provided a fee calculator, and some devs have found that under some circumstances, Apple could take as much as 60% of their yearly revenue. Developers of alternative app stores need to pay the CTtf for every first annual installation including the first million oh man but don't worry don't worry there's an alternative if developers don't like this deal right good well they can stay under apple's current business

terms and remain exclusively on the App Store, where no third-party marketplaces or payment systems will be allowed. So is the only way to get an alternative store onto the platform by distributing the alternative store through the App Store? I actually do not know. That is a really good question. What does it sound like through their terms. Because how could they charge you

if you didn't get it through the App Store? Luke. How does that make any sense? Luke, I'm not sure. I'm sure that when it comes to collecting your money, I think Apple will find a way. It's unclear how apple will authorize and distribute the alternative marketplaces yeah maybe their hope is that

this deal will be technically compliant with the eu's guidelines not guidelines laws uh but be so bad that nobody will actually do it tim tim sweeney's been going off has he oh yeah yeah he oh man he's been he's been going off and to be clear i do not agree with tim sweeney about everything in fact we've like had personal beef at one point as well ago but yeah but what he is right about just just because just because i don't agree with someone once doesn't mean I can't agree with them when they say something correct. Like, I'm not saying Hitler was right. No, I'm kidding.

I was going to say something specific. I don't know. Maybe he said something about how trains should be on time or something. I don't know. I don't actually... I haven't memorized any quotes. Okay?

My point is just that just because I disagree with someone about something doesn't mean i can't acknowledge when they're right about something maybe the chair was comfy and mr sweeney the chair some people will get that it's fine okay mr sweeney is definitely luke please control this man yeah luke some people got it good okay look what you've done how so so mr sweeney is 100 correct here when he says that apple is is absolutely behaving in an anti-competitive way the eu has called them out on it in a very in a very clear way and apple has gone

out of their way to ensure that the manner in which they've complied with the eu's new regulations is as awful as humanly possible also we had talked before about okay if apple is forced to allow additional marketplaces and all of that well how is it going to affect people outside the eu it looks like the answer is not one bit won't apple will be maintaining its monopolistic behavior anywhere that it is allowed to so if you want anything to change and change it can and should i mean Apple has demonstrated that they can have lower subscription fees as long as they can charge you a, what is it? A core technology fee. Man, this is bizarre.

Like, why do people defend this kind of double dipping behavior? I don't know. You see a lot of it, though. It's triple dipping, actually. First, they charge the user for the device. Then they charge the developer just to have a developer account oh no we're up to quadruple dipping now for then they charge the developer to have a developer account then they charge you a core technology fee if you actually have a very

successful app then they charge you a 10 fee on subscriptions 17 for digital goods and services at what point does it end well you also have to use their payment system like we mock this kind of thing when it's the cable when it's the cable company but realistically most people have as many options for cable companies as they do for major cell phone platforms and so the people who say well apple's not a monopoly because android exists it's like okay okay okay okay right but that doesn't you can have a duopoly then it doesn't change that you can have people monopolistic behavior people compare it to steam and i'm not here to defend steam's 30 take either no not even a little but on a computer you could use things that aren't steam

well yeah that in steam actually has as far as i can tell steam doesn't charge epic games money to sell games on their platform no and as far as i can tell steam doesn't charge game devs any ongoing fees for the original purchase of the game so you can have a game that's 160 gigabytes you could download that game now and forever not to mention all the cloud synchronization of your save files remember nintendo is going to charge you like what eight bucks a month per user to sync your cloud say to sync your saves to the cloud like steam is actually operating a platform that actually delivers value to the user i want to buy games on steam whereas what is apple actually doing i mean yeah they handle downloading sure but the infrastructure by comparison when we're

talking downloads that are 160 gigabytes in many cases and we're talking megs downloads that are 160 megabytes and that's a pretty decent sized app i mean you'll get multi-gigabit gigabit you'll get multi-gigabyte mobile apps uh especially for games but there'll be three or four typically not not hundreds and to be clear i just want to make this clear apple's operating at an enormous scale on the app store but don't kid yourself so is valve yeah gaming it's kind of a thing yeah um yeah and like uh people are bringing up like oh you can buy an android and it's like okay so there's the whole duopoly thing also we're talking about platforms in general we don't think android is necessarily better off here the the play store is also

terrible um just you can technically it's not a very clean process but you can sideload on on android um and the the steam example this would be like if the only way that you could get any apps on Windows was the Microsoft Store. I know I just gave everyone nightmares. I apologize for that. But it would be as if that was the only way. And for Steam or something else to exist, Microsoft is going to take a cut of it. Yeah. Just for Valve having the privilege to be allowed to have steam yeah that's pretty crap is that a

thing that you would like is that a thing that you would defend do you think that would have made would that have made the pc what it is today someone said you mean like on windows rt i know practically nothing about windows rt but if that's how it would work that's not something i would defend uh does windows rt even exist anymore i don't know windows rt is a mobile operating system designed by first unveiled january 2011 oh final release january 10th 2023 12 12 months ago. So is it still a thing? Is it not a thing? I suspect it's supported. Extended support was ended January 10th, 2023. Never mind.

So, yeah. That's how good it is. Sick. Cool. Nice. Yeah, Windows for ARM would be the replacement for windows rt uh and my understanding is nothing on windows for arm would prevent you from just downloading an application and installing it in fact i was uh man what was i was installing something the other day i was saying fs mode but

you can turn s mode off can you not yeah yeah so like what are you talking about yeah if i can if i can voluntarily make my phone only allow apps to be installed from the app store that's fine like this is i don't know man this is like the the i don't understand these arguments this is well okay a lot of the a lot of the apple argument boils down to well you you do have a choice i i like the lockdown experience sure and it's like right so then sit down and shut the f**k up yeah i don't yeah and i should be allowed to install whatever software i feel like on this thing that i mean it's not it's not like apple gives away the iphone if apple gave away the iphone this would be a completely different conversation like okay for example remember that tv luke that tv that uh

it watches you and plays ads or whatever if that's the deal okay the hardware is free you watch as much tv as you want and they're like yeah we're gonna we're gonna bombard you with ads it's gonna be pay to play for anyone who wants to be part of this ecosystem and have their ads displayed or whatever it's like yeah sure fine but my understanding when i pay full pop and don't kid yourself apple's not discounting the iphone they're not subsidizing the cost of the iphone with the app store they are just they're they are charging as much if not more they're taking more margin than pretty much any i think any other handset maker as far as i can tell um so when i pay full price for something my understanding and your understanding should be that it belongs to you and so the fact that anyone is not offended by this,

that anyone sees this behavior and goes, yeah, this is good, it's just baffling to me. And if you make the choice to only use the App Store, by all means. But when I say I shouldn't have to, again, sit down and shut the f*** up.

It's that simple. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Oh, Dan's not here to move the cards. How will we know what to do? He's supposed to tell us through our... Well, we don't need 10 more minutes because we both agreed that Apple is being butt heads yeah i'm

really looking forward to trying the vision pro though yeah yeah real heavy yeah we're getting our hands on uh we're getting our hands on one february 4th i think ours arrives yeah do neck workouts um okay i i am not how exaggerated i am not doing any neck workouts i am going to i'm gonna go in cold and see if it's overblown as someone who regularly wears headphones and who regularly vrs i suspect that it's not going to bother me as much as people who do not regularly vr does it weigh versus like an index but i have heard it is quite heavy yes please show dan cam okay a wild dan appears there's dan oh sorry i mean a wild um nad appears a non-non-non-infringing um all resemblance is uh coincidental

does anyone see where i'm going with this uh i don't really get the point we copied that it's a very similar character model but it's not the same thing oh so like pal world i'm don't worry about it that stands for not a dan i'm made of ai now yeah i i apologize in advance for the fact that nad is probably going to stick as a nickname for you it could be worse dan yeah wait what uh it looks like the index way more yeah it looks like the index weighs more than the vision pro so it's gonna be fine then yeah so it's probably gonna be fine freaking out about it's apple right so on the one hand you have the things that apple does that are actually really

scummy yeah and then you've got people that are just like no man this seems fine and then on the other hand you've got what appears to be a very compelling product that could change computing we'll see and people are like oh my god it needs to be cooled they need cooling in it and there's like there's glass lenses and glass is heavy uh it's like people are saying because uh it's not as well balanced and because the strap apparently isn't as good the index ain't that well balanced so i i would have hoped that apple would get the strap right though i mean then again that's like i don't know kind of their thing is they have okay accessories and then other people fill in the gaps.

So maybe it's fine. One thing I'm really excited for, though, is that apparently it comes with Apple's cleaning cloth. Now, we missed the initial outrage train on the $40 cleaning cloth. Oh, it's included, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we were like, well, realistically, there's no point making a video about this because people have kind of got it out of their system late on it but it's not like it ever went away so i'm gonna get an opportunity to check out apple's cleaning

cloth nice yeah yeah i can't believe it's free i'm pretty stoked on that um i i doubt it's gonna get much air time in the video. I've kind of said my piece about Apple's pricing. We did a video a number of years ago when they announced the $700 wheels for the old Intel Mac Pro. What was that? 2019 Mac Pro or whatever.

I have to memorize years instead of just generations because, I don't know, Apple things. Where I basically talked about how it's it's it has. Yeah, it has. I actually forget my point, but it was a good point. And it pretty much explained why Apple prices things the way they do. It's because they want to be a luxury brand. They're a consumer electronics brand, but they really, really, really, really, really want to be a luxury brand.

And that's an image that they project. And it's an image that some people buy. Like it's the whole blue bubble, green bubble thing has always been baffling to me you can get iphone for like a hundred dollars on ebay that'll like get your bubble color or whatever who cares um i don't should change the shade i don't really see how based on the generation of phone can you not give them ideas or no no, no. You know people from... The newest one should be the deepest blue, and as your phone ages, it should fade.

That way they don't have to update. They're never going to run out of blues, you know? Because it'll just get worse. Like UV reactive paint kind of thing? Luke, you do know that people from apple watch this show right they don't acknowledge us but i have heard from people at apple chat's so mad you gotta have dude the new generation of phone comes out your bubbles are gonna be less blue

so you guys can see why it's a good thing that luke is not evil because if he was he'd be an evil genius oh i could work at the genius please mute luke if he can do it to you you need to do it to him yeah Dan I think we've established now that I should have a Luke mute button I don't know about that I think Dan's with me on this Dan I'm setting it up right now thank you you would good guy Dan uh all right what's our next topic here okay okay this one's going to be kind of open-ended okay our topic is the framework 16 yeah so what i have only spent about two minutes with it okay i actually haven't watched our review yet okay i didn't read it okay so i would like you i haven't even read our topic notes sure i would

like you to tell me if it's any good okay do you want me to silently read the topic notes okay because there's positive and negative points all right so yeah the framework 16 is finally out we released a full review this week which was written and hosted without pretty well received by the community by the way linus's development, and yes, I do believe it was. Other outlets have reviewed the 16 quite positively. Alex Warrow from Tom's Guide called it the laptop I'd buy for myself. Some of the positive points are extreme modularity and repairability.

Framework says that the graphics card can be swapped in just a few minutes, which both we and the verge were able to replicate that i've tried remember i have played around with the like prototype or something yeah like a mechanical sample right quite a while back so even early yeah yeah but i haven't touched uh i haven't touched i have spent about two minutes with the final one that we that we have here great future proofing potential and customizability compared to other laptops of note the fully customizable keyboard deck and six expansion card slots to the framework 13s for good screen quality easily outperformed similar laptops

running the same graphics card in terms of cooling and then we come to the negative points okay now hold on a second there's a couple of things here that from just chatting with people internally i i know that we didn't necessarily agree with in our video so one of them is that jake had some concerns about backlight bleed or not bleed but like a um uneven backlighting at the edges of the screen did anybody else have any kind of feedback on that like i'm this is a this is a highly interactive section guys i want to hear from you in the chat do other people have this laptop or are you asking about other people's reviews i'm asking about other people's reviews understood yeah because the verge according to nokia the one and only timestamp guy people are suggesting that we react to the video live we would be able to do that because it's our own video The Verge rated it 5 out of 10

The screen No the whole thing So not everybody Gave it a good review although The Verge did complain about Crashing issues So I would say that would probably Significantly impact the score

And I didn't from the conversations i've had with ploof and jake they didn't say anything about crashing on our unit and john uh john from the lab didn't bring it up with me either interesting i fix it according to focus forte and dna gecko i fix it i gave it a 10 out of 10 for repairability, I guess. Okay, people want a live reaction. Dan, is that something you can do from there? Because Dan is not in the studio. Ooh, The Verge has some interesting points here.

I'm going to jump to my screen real fast. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I want to know what's going on, man. This is my investment, yo. That doesn't look good. What is that? He's trying to lift the screen with one finger. Oh.

Which I could do with like this one, and it's not going to do that. I mean, this one does. That much? Yeah, look. That doesn't look like as much as in that photo. Is it because the angle is taken out? No, it's less than that. out no it's less than that yeah it's less than that is a lot of screen bend you're gonna have a little bit you know if you try to lift a screen by the corner you're gonna have a little bit but that in

the photo is quite a lot um i don't see where they did the natural rating i think it's at the very top i like your sound effects thank you uh that's not the very top luke oh yeah okay i actually don't see it control f5 oh there it is in green big green box got it he's got this what's it out of 10 okay yeah not five yeah they said the good is fully user repairable unprecedented customization competent mid-range gaming performance and excellent 16 by 10 screen they said the bad was regularly froze during testing additional strange glitches often runs hot and loud and some of the panels feel flimsy okay i

think we need to live react to this okay dan is that something we can do live react to what you really gotta do our own video is pull up the video on your laptop and then okay i guess it counts as a reaction channel um okay well it's it's our own video yeah yeah it's fine to react to your own video i don't know okay i have i have pulled it up i have pulled it up uh what am i uh what am i supposed to do now i just play it will luke be able to hear it i think i'll just send it through your headphones okay okay we're gonna we're gonna try it we're gonna try it good audio from your laptop yet you don't are you sure no well i'm not playing it yet it's 18 and a half

minutes are we gonna react to the whole thing okay uh we could watch at 1.75 now sure okay that'll only take like 13 14 minutes then i'm not gonna have uh oh yeah i guess i can watch it there okay sure yeah cool okay we good i've got audio from you elsewhere you have audio from me elsewhere what does that even mean? I didn't even fart. That's good. Oh, apparently the Verge didn't have a full production unit. Did we have a full production

unit? Yeah. The Verge posted an update that they are getting a full production unit to redo the review. Oh. Where is that? Oh, man. I could have told Frame framework not to send a pre-prod unit for a review yeah they probably shouldn't have done that that was an a completely unforced where is this post uh where did they say this i don't know uh noted that we're certainly committed to making a total list of issues i don't want to just like believe chat right away okay oh yeah okay post from sean

hollister framework will send us another lap another framework 16 and here's what it will fix we told framework we had several different stability issues um so i was a little frustrated to see the company ceo suggests i only encountered one but i'm happy to say framework will send the verge a final production unit with quite a list of hardware and software fixes okay okay i don't i don't know if they said that they're oh apparently the review the review units were pre-production units with known issues interesting okay well guys look i'm uh okay let's watch it then shall we dan we good to go i think so okay good luck everybody well hold on one sec i just want to i just want to fix the the quote from earlier people said like oh they're going to

redo their review and stuff i don't think i don't see them actually saying that. And this looks like it's Luke laptop. Yeah. So this is a post from Sean Hollister saying these things. But then it says it's linking a Reddit thread. I don't see anywhere that says like, we're going to redo our review. It did say in the review that they would be re-evaluating if the issues are fixed i think but that doesn't necessarily mean they're going to do it i mean as someone i just want to make sure i didn't quote them incorrectly i would take the quote that you

just saw on screen as an actual quote not what i said as someone who does this work um i would say that my annoyance level would be extremely high if I found a bunch of issues and then someone was like, well, it was pre-prod. All those are like fixed. And I'm like, okay, but that's not what I experienced. I can only review what is actually in front of me. Totally. Okay.

We ready? Yeah. That is a great first frame. The all new Framework 16 is here and I am super excited about it. Not only because I invested my own money in this company, and I want it to succeed, but because it has several tricks up its sleeve that are genuinely nutty.

That's right. For years, companies have struggled to make an upgradable laptop at all, let alone one meant for gaming. But it's finally here. And did I mention that every single part of this machine can be purchased individually on their store and replaced by the end user?

What world is this? Unfortunately, a world where trying to be objective doesn't change the fact that I have a vested interest in Framework's success, which makes reviewing their products a bit tricky. So I don't even take my word to be objective doesn't change the fact that I have a vested interest in framework success, which makes reviewing their products a bit tricky. So, I don't want you to take my word for it. The rest of the script, I haven't even read it. To recuse myself from our review, Alex, our resident laptop connoisseur, Jake, who actually did an active Framework 16 pre-order,

and John from the lab are going to be telling you guys all about it. Both the good and the bad. This is John's first on-camera appearance in a mainline video, I think. Oh, cool. So I'll be seeing it for the first time. Nice. Fingers crossed that they didn't bite off more than they can chew with this thing. Unlike this easily digestible segue to our sponsor.

See Sonic. More than my own son. Unlike every other laptop I've used, everything on the surface is modular, save the power button up here that has a fingerprint sensor in it. You can adjust the keyboard and trackpad positioning. You can add a numpad or a macro pad on the right here. That's pretty sick, actually. Or if that macro pad is a watch, you can even have these LED matrix displays. Do these do anything besides reducing battery life? No i really like them yes neat however the other new

party trick the bespoke upgradable removable discrete amd graphics card is so sick many companies have attempted to put upgradable graphics in a laptop in the past but the upgrade operation has never been something that i recommend the average tech enthusiast undertake framework okay we should talk a little bit about why that is um i saw a lot of feedback um either on just like social media on reddit um i read through the comments on this video because that's what i do rather than watching videos you know this yeah um and i saw quite a few people bring up xm mxm it's like oh yeah framework invented mxm good job it's like it's like misunderstand the whole situation speed run any percent the reason you should do that you should have a leaderboard based on like how fast they commented

sorry keep going oh the problem with mxm which for those of you who aren't familiar with it and i don't blame you because it's been kind of dead for a long time yeah uh the mxm is a is a just a smaller version of the pci express interface where just the full connector has been shrunk a little bit and it's a pcie by 16 interface and then board spec the problem with mxm is that nvidia in particular but to my knowledge amd as well has never been able to standardize exactly what the layout of the board will be. So in theory, it's a good idea because you could just have a card that has a GPU and the memory and the VRMs on it

and you just slide it into a slot on the motherboard. It's a sideways slot, kind of like an M.2 slot. And you just put it in, screw it in, and boom, upgraded GPU. The problem with that is that because NVIDIA and, to my knowledge, AMD, it's just NVIDIA I know in particular, has been adamant that they just give up and don't want to do it, and they've been very oppositional when it comes to any attempts

by laptop manufacturers or others to make MXM a thing. NVIDIA and AMD have not been able to standardize where those components are on the board. Not only that, but they haven't been able to standardize what kind of form they might take. Do they have an IHS? Are they they a bare die how many chips are there what layout will they be in how much power will they draw and therefore how much heat will they dissipate so what's happened is that while mxm is you know a standard it's only a standard insofar as it's a slot everything else about it pretty much had to be redesigned from generation to generation

to accommodate the new layout of every component on the board and the new power requirements. So what MXM turned into was essentially a way of making sure that your laptop was going to be thicker to accommodate this board that sat on top of another board in this interface um and that's about it there were still some benefits right like you could have the ability to configure your laptop at the time of ordering and they could put a different gpu in as long as it had been designed with that particular generation in mind. But overall, this sort of upgradeable GPU laptop nirvana

that we all thought MXM could help us achieve has not been possible. And as for the laptop manufacturers, I don't think you're going to see any appetite for it ever again. I mean, Dell got burned on it when they promised that they had this alienware that was going to be upgradable from one generation to the next and then my understanding is nvidia basically was like oh well sorry about that nope the power envelope is much higher so it's not going to happen uh it could have been dell alienware that screwed that up i suspect as well that that's what happened with msi who also said hey we've got this titan i think

it was something uh something 80 something titan uh they had this like big fat laptop that was they were like yeah you're going to be able to upgrade the mechanical keyboard that one they ended up getting class action sued for that one because they didn't offer an upgrade because it wasn't possible it turned out um and my understanding is that would have i can't think of anyone whose fault that would have been other than nvidia i can't think of any reason msi would have promised that other than that they thought that they had a roadmap from their partner that would allow them to provide an upgradable laptop so the point i'm getting at with all of this is that this was an innovation and it is one that matters because the way that

framework has done it solves a lot of the problems of mxm it doesn't solve all of them i told framework when they initially told me and this is this is laptop i was like okay you realize that um everyone has tried this and every time it has not worked and here are the problems and they were like nah dog we think we've got this um and i was like okay uh you're gonna you're gonna have a lot of problems to solve and one of them they obviously still haven't solved. I asked them, I told them, I was like, look, what board partner is going to deliver NVIDIA GPUs? NVIDIA maintains iron-fisted control over their partners.

Do you think, for a second, that like, you know, let's pick a... You know what? I probably know too much. So Luke, why don't you pick a board manufacturer manufacturer or just brand manufacturer uh asus sure so let's say pegatron yeah like like a board manufacturer okay there is no doubt in my mind that given you know some time again given

that the resources their timelines still called pegatron uh it's complicated okay yeah uh but pegatron 100 exists and and is a yeah wow i thought that was renewed okay contract manufacturer yep um okay so um because it was pegasus yeah so now it's pegatron and assist yeah yeah anyway uh the point is given probably weeks right not even months probably given weeks pegatron could design and manufacture a framework module for the framework 16 with an nvidia something or other they won't because nvidia needs to sign off on absolutely everything their gpus go into whether you like bought them and they're like yours right or not so that's like how much ram you can put on the board what kind of uh cooling what kind of boost clock speeds how much power you're allowed to deliver to it i basically everything even things as stupid as okay we want to do one with a blower style cooler

instead of you know an exhaust all the air inside your case cooler because it's better for small form factor enthusiasts my understanding allegedly blah blah blah all of that stuff is that nvidia will clamp down on that because they're worried about it cannibalizing their workstation cards which do have that style of cooler because it's more ideal for stacking them so this that's what prevents you from stacking up 4080s is nvidia won't let board partners build cards that have coolers that better facilitate it it's like you know off right so as far as i can tell framework still hasn't solved that problem if you're someone at nvidia who is just you know not a complete f***ing a**hole um then by all means if you're listening to this

advocate for why the f*** you can't just put a a GPU on a module and plug it into a laptop because f**k off it doesn't matter just chill I know I probably haven't made the most little spicy today diplomatic argument for it but it's just this isn't the first time I've been frustrated about this okay yeah yeah yeah whatever invested in how can you go after your your employer like like invested in framework or not this isn't the first time that i've talked about this and this isn't the first time that i've been really frustrated by it yeah um i was at computex one year i think yeah it must have been computex because i don't think silverstone oh no yeah they used to do ces but not on the show floor i was on the show floor for sure so

it must have been computex yeah um and i had a really frustrating conversation with silverstone because they had this really cool little e-gpu back when thunderbolt external gpus were really starting to take off so this would have been like i don't know four or five years ago or something like that and instead of being designed for desktop graphics cards so like being huge it was designed for little m MXM cards. MXM! They had gotten their hands on, it must have been, it was either a 1080 Ti or like a 2080 or something. This was a long time ago,

so I don't remember which one it was. Must have been a 1080 Ti. Probably not 2080. Because it was around the same time that Zotac was doing those super cute little gaming, like little tiny gaming things that had MXM in them as well.

And they were like, yeah, so we made this thing and i was like that is a super cool thing how on earth are you going to get any boards for it and they're like well we're advocating for it we're going to board manufacturers we're going to try and get someone to to build these things for us dead so why can't we have cute little tiny external gpus because f** you, we don't want people putting our GPUs in anything that we don't deign them to be the thing that it goes in. Just f*** off. You know? Yeah. Basically.

Yeah. Like, I love the good things NVIDIA does. In fact, we're going to talk about one of them a little bit later. They've got this cool new ai sdr to hdr thing i have no problem with the good things nvidia does but part of acknowledging things as they are is that you call it when something's good and you call it when something is bullshit and them refusing to allow anyone to manufacture their gpus into a form factor that they just don't like is bulls**t anyway shall uh some people are asking that we do 1.5 instead of 1.75 your call okay sure uh i'm on it i'm on it like a bonnet

he's trying to soften up after being so spicy no no i'm good i don't care i'll get spicy you want more spice i got more spice i'm sure i'm sure we'll get there i got more spice people are commenting look at alex's hat is that an ltc toque oh that's also what the f**k alex also not an ltc sweater yeah what happening? It's not to allow it. Okay, fair enough. There are pros. But come on, Alex. Okay, ready?

Yeah. I don't have any audio, Dan. Dan, save us. Oh, it's my fault. Well, what did I do? It looks like it's up fault well what did I do it looks like it's up I mean I there you good you see it I mean I'm yeah I'm

definitely I'm definitely clicking the same thing I haven't changed anything why is nothing ever easy you know okay it's definitely working through connect sent hd audio how about bmd hdmi you see it there here do you see mine yep i see yours okay okay maybe we just play mine hold on let me just give it let me give it the old unplug and replug and we'll see if mine lights back up and otherwise then uh we'll go to luke

my back no okay i guess it's gonna be luke then all right how far are you in i can't read it i am 225 225 yep i could read it look at me go what a guy look at his eyes my eyes functioned i'm so stoked that was bound to happen at some point um okay full screen switch to my screen slightly ahead of where you were okay cool ready yeah however it says the gpu swap can be done in a couple minutes so let's test that little client yeah a little quiet this is a fair amount of disassembly to swap a component hey

nice the knockout screwdriver from lttstore.com is a little bit nicer thankfully these screws are captive so you'll be hard pressed to lose them just make sure you don't lose the interposer itself i'd recommend screwing it back into the gpu once you have that out speaking of which just two more screws and the entire gpu should slide out dang so that's it that whole thing back there is the gpu and that's how they solved it every other gpu swap on a laptop i've done that's cool heck this was seamless and if you don't have gpu you can just save over half a pound of weight and an inch of length by just not having a gpu anymore but all of this modularity comes at a steep price possibly for my boss because the

keyboard on the framework 16 is frankly unacceptable for a laptop of this price the closest comparison i have is the acer nitro 5 which starts at 750 and it is just okay here one sec okay hold on hold on dan's getting me to do all the things. Okay. It is now maximum. Let me go back slightly. What did you react to? If you don't want a GPU, you can just save over half a pound of weight and an inch of length by just not having a GPU anymore. But all of this

modularity comes at a steep price. Possibly for my boss because the keyboard on the Framework 16 is frankly unacceptable for a laptop of this price. The closest comparison I have is the Acer Nitro 5 which starts at $750 and it is just okay at 750 while testing the framework 16 i wasn't able to get up to my full typing speed in particular while doing really quick double presses due to the chassis flex a huge disappointment compared to the excellent keyboard on the framework 13 but yeah see that's really frustrating i'm glad you brought that up

particularly in this area it has been better in the past yeah because the framework 13 actually has a really solid keyboard and that was one of the things that i highlighted as being particularly impressive about it was that in spite of its modularity and repairability it still had a good keyboard when that was one of the justifications that i could see for not having a repairable design yeah was that you wanted to maintain chassis stiffness so that you could have a good keyboard and with the keyboard off you can really just see how not supportive this super thing is fortunately this thing framework disassembling only takes about a minute we were able to chuck some thermal pads in the areas where it was squishiest and holy crap that is so much better okay that's actually maybe more frustrating yeah it seems

like the fix was easy um yeah i'm really not okay i'm not i'm not sure if that's my favorite thing ever um it's cool that you can fix it it's cool that alex found that yeah that's that's super cool yeah well good job good job alex yeah but i um a little questionable on framework this isn't their first laptop yeah so you'd think they'd notice something like oh the chassis flexes a lot uh oh and the tech redneck uh says framework sent an email to all pre-orders talking about this and what they're working on to fix it okay cool uh okay hopefully hopefully they do fix it okay all right yeah keep going just stuff some thermal pads under there we'll see deflex influences the feel of your keyboard is huge and the difference that this mod has made is just night and day with the thermal pads in

there this keyboard isn't quite on the level of asus or alienware but it comfortably beats msi and razor and brings it much more in line with the price while you're modifying things you might want to use a couple pieces of electrical tape to remedy some of the small but visible gaps between the modules but at least the trackpad what did he just say it's glass no do not put electrical tape on your laptop that would look way worse that and it would leave horrible horrible horrible residue on it yeah yeah i would prefer the gap i love alex but he um he's a tape enthusiast yeah yes okay yeah there's certain uh man i forget what all of his favorite tapes are wait could you could you put the tape under no there's gaps even then i wouldn't put it there because it'll get warm and it'll leave goo uh use use any other

tape there's uh there's like there's black paper tapes that would if that's what you want to do that would work way better for that okay with accurate and responsive tracking i just wish it was a little bit bigger another sacrifice for the modularity one decision i really don't understand though are the speakers which fire out from the sides instead of like up at you or bouncing off of the table like now everything else to be clear that can work really. I've seen some really impressive side-firing speakers that use just algorithmic nonsense to sound great, but so has Alex and I'm sure he wouldn't bring this up if it wasn't actually a problem. Yeah, fair enough. That sounds good.

For comparison, here's a similarly priced Lenovo Legion Slim 7i. Okay, Lenovo. Lenovo is not too bad. A little bit quiet, but I would say perfectly acceptable. And the framework is, uh... It's not the worst I've ever heard, but it lacks treble and bass and staging. Get yourself a Bluetooth speaker. What is really good though is the dedicated GPU output on the back. This is wired directly to the GPU. Now, Jake wrote here that he wants me to complain about this not being a full-size display port, but personally I think this Type-C is fine, so one second. Stupid BMW driver.

I think Type-C makes sense for a laptop, personally. We asked and they said that they tried, it just wouldn't fit with the giant heat pipes they're using to cool it. But for f***'s sakes, guys, you founded your company on a laptop with modular I.O. meant to solve the dongle crisis, and you're telling me I need to carry one again? Wait a second. Modular IO. No way. I don't know why I didn't think about that.

We got to see if this works. No way. Look at that. John didn't believe it. 4K 120, baby. Which is how I describe the IO situation in general. With two more IO slots. That's actually pretty funny.

So you could just have your HDMIdmi module that you just have in the side of the laptop that's connected through the onboard gpu so that there can be a bit of a performance penalty there if you connect that to an external display it's you know not huge but it's there and then you can just like have that and then you've always got your dongle with you it's like it's like having the the sty stylus that stocks inside your pen or your phone or whatever. Okay. All right.

I'm happy. Jake tested. That's pretty funny. Modules for USB-C capable of 240 watt charging, USB-A, DisplayPort HDMI 2.0, micro SD, 2.5 gig ethernet,

audio and expanded storage. But they also released the design. So literally anyone with the right skills can design and sell their own modules, including for the GPU slot. Now, even when there isn't a GPU installed, some of that space is occupied by the CPU's cooling fans, but they've already released a reference dual SSD design as

an example. I'm just excited to have a place to put my Mountain Dew without sacrificing I.O. Coming from an Intel-based MacBook Pro with a grand total of four USB Type-C ports, this was the biggest breath of fresh air across my entire experience. Sure, Apple just including decent I.O. would fix most of that, but if your needs change or you want to do something silly, like running four displays off your laptop, you don't need a dongle, at least not an external one. Now, speaking of external, the PowerBrick is this cute little 180 watt gallium nitride unit. And it's the highest wattage type C charger I've ever heard of.

And a far cry, at least in terms of size, for most gaming laptop PowerBricks. Good job there, Framework. Also improved from their first laptop. Now, in fairness to other laptop manufacturers, the Framework is big, but it's not super powerful like that gpu is not a mobile 4090 or mobile 4080 or whatever else so just you know something to consider screws are accessible from the top of the laptop so replacing any part of this laptop is an absolute

joy now if you're not an experienced tinkerer framework has guides for replacing literally every part of the laptop that's because if you're a nerd you can buy this laptop ikea style and put it together yourself and i take assembling a framework laptop over doing ikea furniture any day of the week if you miss our framework factory tour a little tidbit is that they actually pre-assemble the diy edition laptops for qc and stress testing and then they get taken apart before shipping you can build it yourself don't believe it's that easy well it took about this long to get the entire laptop to pieces we've got the 85 watt hour battery 5.6e module seven minutes that's really fast that's really impressive like wicked fast oh hey speaking of uh framework laptops being wicked fast uh someone i saw someone

in chat earlier asking about the electro boom collab when's it coming yeah because that includes a framework build challenge oh where every additional minute i take to assemble it he turns up the value on the dog collar the dog shock collar that's attached to my neck and then once i'm done he gets to press it oh wow so i i had to try to speed build one anyway how fast did you do it well i'm not going to spoil the video the point is that video is coming out, hopefully, Monday. So, stay tuned. Very cool. Wow, that is a better spec. all your own storage right which made picking laptops to benchmark against a little tricky to see what you can get in a similarly priced and classed big name laptop we opted for an intel nvidia spec lenovo legion slim 7i wow that is a better spec that was a much faster gpu i am

not excited to see how much faster that is gonna be laptops to benchmark against a little tricky to see what you can get in a similarly priced and classed big name laptop we opted for an intel that's a lot of ram yep Yep. That's a big battery. Yep. That's a really fast CPU, although I think the framework will probably hold its own when it comes to CPU, but that is a big **** GPU.

Okay. ...NVIDIA spec, Lenovo Legion Slim 7i, and to make sure our framework is performing as it should, an Asus TUF A16. It's cheaper, and it was supposed to be the same specs as the Framework 16. That was until they shipped the lower-end model for the press unit. The differences between the CPUs are minor, so it should still tellus tough a16 it's cheaper and it was supposed to be the same specs as the framework 16 that was until they shipped the lower end model for the press unit the differences between the cpus are minor so it should still tell us that the framework is performing up to snuff despite those differences every game is actually a pretty tight race in cyberpunk nearly maxed out at 1080p yeah i want to see thank you okay uh that is not nearly as far off l Lenovo Legion as I thought it might be.

Like if you're talking a difference in one FPS on 1% lows. All right. No one's going to notice that. Yeah, it's pretty good. The Intel based Lenovo is slightly ahead in average FPS with both itself and the AMD based Asus model beating the framework by one frame and 1% lows. In F123, Intel's game. Okay, this is less good. Yeah.

So now we're at closer to a 10% uplift on the Lenovo. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I thought the framework was still at the bottom. No, no, no, middle. Oh, tremendous. Okay, carry on. ...a modest showing in second place, surprisingly beating out the on paper faster canada wet to

no one's surprise in total war warhammer 3 the 4070 wins again but our yeah this is this is a decent jump this is way closer than i thought this whole thing was going to be okay framework squeaks past the asus again too it's hard to say what exactly is giving it the advantage in these games but the faster memory and better cooling on the framework likely has something to do with it. As for productivity, the Framework 16 loses handily in Cinebench, both single and multi-core, but no surprises there, as the Asus has a lot more thermal headroom when it doesn't have a cool GPU at the same time. In Blender, our Asus laptop crushes

the framework across the board, despite the only real difference being a slightly higher base and boost clock. And the same can be said for video. Oh! I mean... Compared to the Lenovo. Yeah. The ASUS gap is large, but compared to the Lenovo, it's pretty close.

Okay. And in media editing with Premiere and Photoshop. Overall, not a lot of surprises here. The faster CPU in the ASUS shines in productivity, but we expect the higher-end framework would yield the same result. As for gaming, yeah, it's not a great price-to-performance option. But it's not terrible either. It's just that if you want the most frames for your money,

this isn't the laptop to buy. Also, you should probably just buy a desktop. But if you do buy one, you should protect it with a skin. And dbrand sponsored this portion of the video so Linus can show you how. Being a relatively new company, parties are making accessories for framer machines. But dbrand sure is, and they're going to be ready for launch day.

I mean, sure, it's an ad, but... Would it be easier for Casetify to rip off? Oh, they're both the same. My notes say, look how accurate these internals are. No wonder they got so pissed they got ripped off. But I actually haven't had this thing open yet, so maybe? Probably. While I completely ignore dbrand's explicit instructions for how to do this and make up my own method,

always check their site and make sure that you do it the right way. What am I supposed to be saying now? I know they're paying me to put a skin on a laptop right now, but this is my favorite kind of integration. We're all working together to promote something we believe in. Yeah! Yeah! As both an investor and hobbyist, hey, thanks, Dbrand.

Shout out. So I think I've got it pretty decently lined up right now. There's no way this battery is made in Canada. That's got to be an Easter egg. Framework's Canadian. They're our Canadian bros. Did I say Framework? Dbrand.

Framework's not Canadian. Oh, it's not quite straight. Wow. Oh, I bunged it, dude. I bunged it. Oh, no. Just don't look right there. Just don't look right where?

Don't worry about it. Right where? Right where? It's not bad. Pretty flat. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, hey.

Five foot one line. Oh, I know when I'm insulted. Check out the random point down below. Over to you, John. Raymarc did great in our battery endurance test, both with and without the GPU. Hey, it's John from the lab. Yeah. Okay.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's really good. Yeah. Whoa, how to do so well here. Wow. battery endurance test both with and without the gpu hey it's john from the lab yeah okay oh whoa whoa that's really good yeah whoa how to do so how to do so well here wow well that's good that's crazy actually okay beating asus and lenovo by a few hours stress test hey okay we're doing good yeah i mean to be clear like those bars look a lot higher you know but like that's another uh 15 minutes on battery if you're running an intense game yeah so don't you know don't don't don't read too much into it and if you rip out the gpu you'll get even more battery life however none of these laptops are industry leading battery life, but if the battery in the framework starts to struggle after a few years, at least you can easily replace it.

Was this a cold day? No, I don't think so. Two out of three hosts are wearing toques. Well, okay. There was some internal drama about a week and a half ago? About two weeks ago. Somebody adjusted the thermostat and Tech Dad

was not impressed. That's me. Our thermostat in the warehouse over here, it's great in the winter because it uses air conditioning. Okay. In the summer, because we have an air conditioner and not a heat pump here, we use a radiant tube. So gas radiant heating. we use a radiant tube. So gas radiant heating.

But because of the build-out that we did in the building, the original radiant tubes, of which there were a total of four in these four units, well, three of them are gone now. Because they don't fit anymore. Because they were longer than we have left in the building after we built mezzanine over that part. And like, I don't know, even if you could leave it there above the mezzanine,

you wouldn't because it'd be a fire hazard because you have something right next to a radiant heating tube yeah so we only have one we only have one radiant heating tube in this warehouse and it's at the very end now we have a fan there's a fan that we spent like it's from it's from big ass fans so it costs like a thousand dollars to buy this fan and install it but the shooters never turn it on because it's kind of loud and it's inconvenient to turn it on and off which i get i hear you but someone not knowing all of this so what you're supposed to do is turn on the radiant tube and put on the fan so that it's not just boiling on one side and then cold on the other yeah uh so what you're supposed to do is you're supposed to turn on the fan um and not adjust the thermostat so someone was like i'm

cold over here and adjusted the thermostat so the warehouse was freaking like a freaking sauna while we were going through that cold snap. It was also cooking on the weekends. Guys. Did you figure that one out? I don't know. We'll figure that out later. But the point was like, guys, don't. Don't touch the thermostat.

Look, I know it's not a perfect system, darn it. But just turn on the fan. Just put on the circulation fan um i think when you hit like late 20s early 30s you just start caring about thermostats a lot yeah so it's just a thing so logistics um locked they put a lock on the thermostat they took the key and they took it over to the other building because nobody's ever supposed to adjust it and it's possible that maybe they over corrected and things were cold for a bit but i think they've got it dialed in now got it okay all right so now

now you all know the saga of the uh the thermostat adjustment was it chilly that day it's like working behind the scenes maybe yeah as for cooling the partner with cooler master design is gigantic heat pipe array which paired with the liquid metal resulted in combustor temps that absolutely crushed the oh whoa okay so whatever complaints other media were seeing the thermal solution maybe that was an issue with their unit then if you're having a hard time reading this the red line is framework blue line is asus yellow line is lenovo so they yeah i crushed i think is a pretty good word for that that's awesome that's very good that's a great result i will yet again you already said it i will yet again say it sounds like most if not all of the review units were

pre-production maybe not wise yeah continuing on a16 from asus which is running the exact same Yeah Continuing on Wow Wow Hold on The framework performs exceptionally well, staying under 65 degrees in the CPU, while the Asus and the Lenovo are both hitting over 70 or even 80 degrees. And that's while maintaining a very solid... Hold on. I think he's talking peaks there. Yeah, but what happened here? These both spike right here, and this one spikes down.

The F123 benchmark is not canned, fully canned. It runs... It's dynamic. Okay, sorry. What's the best way for me to describe it's not exactly the same every time yeah like all the ai is running all the physics is running yeah so sometimes you can just have something slightly different is going to happen something happens slightly different you should just be kind of looking at overall how it goes yeah yeah are both hitting over 70 or even 80 degrees and that's while maintaining a very solid 4.1 gigahertz on the average clock speed,

while the A16 averaged closer to 2.7. Yikes. To be fair, we ran all these laptops in their default power configurations, but the TUF A16's Radeon 7700S is reporting 80 degrees average on the core and 93 on the hotspot. The framework kept to a much more reasonable 68 and 80 degrees respectively. The webcam and microphone, which use the same module as the Framework 13, very cool, look and sound like this.

Oh, okay. I was going to say that was a big audio quality change. Yeah, I know. We got this. We got this, bro. Big studio light in

front of me and if you shut it off, like this in a pretty damn crappy environment. Not great, not terrible and I did anecdotally hear that the microphone sounded

better than my AirPods Pro 2, so cool. And they do at least have physical shutoff switches which is a nice touch. And we haven't even talked about the

display. The Framework 16 holds its own when it comes to color accuracy reaching an average SDR Delta E of 1.5 and a max of 2.8 in part thanks to

Windows Auto Color Management System which only seems to support a few selected displays. It shifts with it turned off making the numbers much worse

so we recommend using it. The display is bright enough for outdoors over 500 nits. Motion clarity is decent enough at 165 hertz which is great for gaming but there are a couple

of issues that are a bit hard to ignore like the honestly kind of mid-uniformity that results in visible vignetting on webpages and solid backgrounds, and somehow our unit's panel was pinched under the removable plastic bezel for some reason? It kind of looks like you could move it around. I've seen that happen a decent amount. This leads me to the price.

As configured, ignoring extra accessories like the expansion shell, which isn't included if you spec a GPU and cost $100 on its own, this is a $2,200 laptop. They're not gouging. Remember, it's a small company building an entirely bespoke laptop that genuinely could, and seems to already be,

changing an entire industry. Yeah, and they have to pay their graphic designers to draw those little portraits of everybody. Yeah. That's not free. Yeah. Yeah. The keyboard stability and display uniformity

are things that would normally be a deal-breaker for me, especially at this price point, and I wouldn't blame you for feeling- They should have an on-site dog sitter. Okay, that's an inside joke people are not going to get. Same. But here's the thing. Fixing the keyboard is probably something you can DIY, as Alex showed earlier,

and assuming Framework either fixes the issues or comes up with a panel upgrade down the road, I can probably live with that display for a while. For the utter flexibility, repairability, and the simple fact that this could be, theoretically, the last gaming laptop I'd ever need to buy that's pretty freaking cool so as long as framework stays in business and follows through with their promises i mean they already have a history of doing so when the cpu is too outdated or the gm isn't strong enough that's actually a really good point if these guys came out of nowhere and went straight at we're doing a gaming laptop that would have been the wrong move. I wouldn't believe them. There's absolutely no way.

The only thing that gives this any credibility is the fact that they've already... Oh, I was about to... Okay, sorry. Hold on. Is the fact that they've already delivered multiple generations of upgrades on the Framework 13.

So as far as I'm concerned, I believe them until they screw it up now. Yeah. As opposed to my default state would have been not believing them until they actually do something before. Yeah. Precedent is good right now.

Board gets gunked up and the battery dies. It's an easy swap. Instead of chucking away an entire machine, you can have your very own laptop of theseus and i can't wait to see what the future holds all that's left is to decide if i want to keep my pre-order but think of the modules jake right and maybe they can make a module that would help me segue to our sponsor jala we've all been there trying to sell stuff the usual way that was pretty good i've taught i've taught them well yeah that was a was a good video. That was really good. It's almost like we have a style and we have a really good team and stuff.

Um, yeah, that was, that was, that was an awesome video. I really liked switching between the different hosts, kind of getting the different perspectives. Great job,

everyone. Like great job. Yeah, it was really good. Really enjoyed that. Yeah. First camera appearance as well super good oh yeah john did great that was great yep i think it's i think it was a the right call to just keep it for

a short period because i think that uh while he did a great job it can be hard to do like i wasn't there when they were shooting it but it can be hard to do like long takes which can make it a lot more work for the editor and stuff yeah um and it's it's nice to ease people into it you know get people kind of used to them as well i also really personally you did a good job as a personal opinion flavor thing i like expert in a thing presenting their section of a thing i've always really liked that whether they're the best presenter or not yeah you can get away with almost any level of host yeah as long as they're not on camera for too long yeah so that's something that we've used a lot when we've done factory tours for example yep like when i did the intel tours i recognized pretty quickly that these were not

folks that i could give like a 200 word spiel to um but i can do a little thing but if i gave them exactly the intonation i wanted gave them the eyeline and gave them like like 10 words or something like that then i could get them in the video they could do a great job they could put their best foot forward and then people could hear it right from the experts and we get that that balance where i do my thing which is to be a host and they get to do their thing which is to be an expert and it enhances the video by by putting those elements together right and i think that the team did a great job of doing that um really really good video there's an official post from framework on frameworks community page oh sure it's really long oh wow um but they address a bunch of stuff high frequency noise from the main board

buzzing noise from graphics module cpu thermal module performance liquid metal barrier adjustments cold gpu performance uh dpc watchdog violation blue screen speech are attenuated on the left or right channel touchpad module sliding friction display alignment display color gamut minor fix and finish modules keyboard detection secondary ssd may disappear display frozen after smart mux switching and they're yeah so maybe if you're interested go read that so what you're trying to say is they're on it like a bonnet like very very good circle yeah thank you fantastic thank you there's a channel super fun how to draw a circle i watched it now i know very popular was it that's a short yeah

it's like 100 million views or something wow most our most successful video ever and it's just like can anyone at the company do a backflip yes we should do how to do a backflip no we shouldn't why because you know who it is who elijah what we should definitely do it now we really shouldn't elijah there you go there you go revive channel super fun by yourself one short video how to do a backflip no no other content no mainline videos not even once none of that kind of stuff yeah how to draw a perfect circle 107 million views wow that's ridiculous if he screws up doing a backflip on work on work property and hits his head again

what happens we're liable that's why he will never do a backflip on work property elijah if you're watching no what if you go to a trampoline place like a a gymnastics place with a foam pit and he backflips into a foam pit is he working yeah no okay forbidden can anyone else do a backflip it doesn't matter can you do a backflip on a trampoline yeah okay in fact i think there's a uh i think uh yvonne uploaded a video of me attempting one at some point on twitter and i uh it seemed like something you might be able to do i i like you know how our trampoline has the the net around it i like hit the net because i like i almost backflipped right like right out of the trampoline because it had been a long time and i jumped back instead of jumping up um anyway oh boy um no okay what else are we talking about oh uh merch messages yeah guys the way to interact with the show good gravy

we are an hour and a half in we We haven't even done merch messages yet. Luke, how could you allow this to happen? It was my plan all along, actually. I came in today and I was like, you know what, we need to get 90 minutes into the show before we do merch messages. I wanted to get home at a reasonable time today. Way to go.

No. Not gonna happen. The way to interact with the show is merch messages. Don't send a super chat. Don't send Twitch bits. Send a merch message. All you gotta do is go on lttstore.com find some awesome stuff to check out um first warning there will be at least several more but screwdriver bit prices are going to be going up terran came in

and he knows how to do proper math for your operational expenses and we are losing money on screwdriver bits oh basically that's not good once you account for all the handling and everything and overhead um they are they are not profitable at 6.99 for the the big packs of them so i've i heard in school that that's bad yeah no you didn't you never took that class the point is pricing will be going up so if you see bits that you like and they're in stock uh pick them up uh we are going to make sure everyone gets ample warning i told the guys i was like look we don't want these to go you don't want to drop it on people no we don't want to drop it on people and we don't want to go any higher than

we have to to make sure that we're above water on this thing uh they're really high quality bits but guys we don't want people to feel like uh you know we're trying to adopt the printer model anything yeah you know um that that's not the intent here but um so so there's gonna be a newsletter we're gonna we're gonna talk about it i think it's probably not gonna happen for a couple of months uh but yeah pick up some pick up some bits if you want as a as a merch message oh what now what wait for what now wait for it what is it oh this okay yes oh that was pretty close oh yeah we're happy that net's there so i didn't tuck we're also happy you didn't go higher yeah your feet are like right at the rim of that net oh i know yep uh caught that on the security camera people saying scroll down but i'm not signed in on twitter so there's nothing there nice there's

nothing to scroll down to um yeah so what was i talking about oh i see right bits are going up so all you got to do is add something to your cart and you'll see a little box for a merch message it'll go to our producer dan hey there he is dan really you're gonna be in your underwear for the wanshow i'm at home that's fair uh so it'll go to producer dan he'll forward it to someone who can answer your question he'll answer it himself or he will send it to me and luke to reply to uh the main highlight items for the store this week are the steve turtlene, which we launched last week. Oh, there's some interesting stuff.

Okay. We'll talk about that later. What was that? Don't, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Don't, don't,

don't, don't, don't, don't, don't look at that. Don't look at that. Don't look at that. Uh,

so the Steve turtleneck, this just launched last week. This has been extremely popular. It's got the seam up the middle, just like the classic one that some guy who's known in the tech space used to wear. It's a mock neck, so it's not a super high turtleneck. It's very wearable. It's somewhere in between business and just you can wear it anytime you want.

Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Anyway, we just launched that. And then we also have a brand newly launched item item the women's PJ set which our delightful staff helped us model thank you so much everyone for helping out one of those um

they have too much fun in these shoots to be clear it's a good thing it's a good thing um wow look at that we even went and used the sets this time okay that doesn't always happen cool good job everyone um and then of course there is something uh the word wrapping on that spin into precision ceramic bearing internal bit storage super high quality construction that's right the ltt precision screwdriver is coming all you got to do is put your email here and you will get a notification when it arrives all right merch messages dan hit me sure let's see hello wan.dll i started my it career in the mid 90s

with mainly pc building i really enjoy build streams with linus and the janky cooling adventures with alex and linus something coming up oh janky cooling adventures um oh we saw that post on Reddit where someone's trying to passively cool a high-end GPU. We definitely think we have some ideas to contribute to that concept. So we're keeping an eye on it and we are potentially going to make our own run at it.

That's one idea that we had. We try to think if there's anything else we just got the Threadripper Pro one up okay we're probably gonna do whole editing Dan water cooling at some point but I can't promise that's gonna happen anytime immediately

how mad are you Dan? how mad? go in go in am i gonna get to help go in oh well i don't see why not then i'm not mad oh i see all right then we're good all right okay okay but i have something mad about that you were giving me a talking to the other day about how we shouldn't water cool the the editing machines with whole room water cooling or wait were you on my side and we were talking to sean and sean didn't want to do it i think someone

didn't want to do it i don't want to have water blocks on the gpus anymore yeah are we just doing cpu no like how do we just do cpus okay but we can quick disconnect all the gpus i think we could yeah yeah yeah how about that disconnects then it makes it super easy. And especially if the quick disconnects just go to the back of the case, like it's not a problem at all. So I have no issue with it. AJ's in chat. Just dot, dot, dot, dot, dot.

Yeah, it's going to be awesome. It just feels ridiculous to have the air conditioning running in the winter for the editing dev. Yeah, no, I was trying to defend it. I don't remember who was against someone was against it in that room i don't remember who was apparently dan you're quiet so you said quick disconnects on the gpus right quiet how the hell am i quiet well i don't know

you're the producer are you asking me for i'm just the talent i'm just the face i do seem i do seem quiet i fix the maintenance nightmare what's the benefit why didn't you just take a nice mic home that sounds no offense um not great well he didn't he wasn't in he would have had to come in oh to get the mic to bring it home oh okay all right i remember that i'm also on a call oh yeah you're not hearing my actual mic yeah i don't know right because why would you use your actual mic for a call it's just a call it's not like it's a podcast that you know thousands of people are watching it's not like important or anything aj's commenting on the this is untriggered right now look at him go i'm not triggered

oh man this isn't a condenser pencil nope it's okay we can fix it with some go xlrs okay um aj's commenting on the maintenance nightmare but aj just think about it this way it's just it's just rampant ongoing job security yeah how would we ever how would we ever get rid of the infr team as long as we keep implementing these like awful infra ideas i think it's there's gotta there's gotta be some amount of rule of cool and it's pretty cool and it's a bunch of content yeah and ultimately we make content yeah if you guys don't like them then you can just rip them out after the video's over yeah i don't think we should but yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah what we're talking about even more work merch messages store something aj sold let's go oh yeah merch messages um was there another one i thought we did two uh oh hold on

hold on the geek of all things asks will the precision driver storage need proprietary length bits that's honestly the biggest reason i didn't buy your other screwdrivers all i will say right now is people are gonna like our bits you're gonna love our bits you're gonna love our bits watch this you're gonna love my bits are are the are our standard screws are those proprietary length or are they just short you know you can get them other places yeah you can hack off you can hack off a standard length one and it's exactly the same shank yeah uh or you can put a longer bit in the screwdriver no you just can't store it in the hand you can no you can store it in the handle but you have to align the thing you can only fit six instead of twelve yeah yeah so it's not proprietary it's not proprietary but it is less common um

the engineering team pointed out that you can actually get those bits more easily if you know what you're looking for um there's little like ratcheting um like non-screwdrivers like like like ratcheting i don't know what are they like a socket socket wrench wrench okay yeah yeah but not for but not a wrench ones that have a little um socket for a screwdriver bit oh so ratcheting screwdrivers but like right angle okay ratcheting screwdrivers and they often use low profile bits so if you get bits for those they will fit in our screwdriver as well. They are not proprietary. They are just optimized for our screwdriver and they are unusual. Okay. Okay.

Now I want to, I want to play a little game. Tynan saying, I think we were saying, I think we were more saying, uh, the short bits make bit wrenches super nice. Oh,

okay. Well, I know for a fact i found them for sale elsewhere as well yeah like i don't i'm pretty sure they're not proprietary basically our short bits are cool yeah okay so this what's that is a prototype of the precision what's that oh this is a prototype of our bit holder because obviously we're not just going to have a screwdriver. Don't worry about it. Although, although, although... Okay, that's pretty cool. Nice, nice, nice, nice.

Oh, casual magnetic mechanism for the parts tray. Is there magnets in the parts tray? Not now, but yes. Nice. Yeah, yeah. Nice. Anywho, anywho, anywho. Short bits are not moronic.

People who think they are moronic just don't understand. It improves the magnetism. It's not just a phased ad. And makes it fit more things. And it's really useful for those other things. Got him. Anyway, while we're doing the next one, I'm going to play a little game where I'm going to spin this.

See if it stops before we're done? And'm gonna spin this see if it stops before we're done and we're gonna see if it stops before we're done because that ceramic bearing in the top is freaking awesome okay barely touched it and it's still going i was gonna offer as well here too okay okay hold on hold on hold on hold on i'm gonna give it a really good spin you got oh sorry this is a hybrid bearing hybrid hybrid ceramic bearing thanks tynan uh tynan's got my back okay i mean there's ceramic in it so i wasn't wrong about that the ceramic one was too loud i remember now okay okay okay ready dan go hi dll other than it has to get done do you have advice on how to keep your workflow or focus on tasks that you don't find as much passion in? Also, Luke, change your mind.

Change my mind. Tarkov is a roguelike. Well, for me, the big one is that I... Oh, man. I'm very distractible. A lot of the time, I really do just end up doing it in little chunks. Yeah, I think one way to do it

is to reward yourself for the completion. Or I do it really late at night. Yes. When I can be super focused. I can focus way better late at night. I like turn on at probably around 9 p.m. Yeah. And it doesn't really like turn off until like 3 a.m

4 a.m and i can be laser focused and get stuff done gamer timing also yeah it's close to it except that you can re-extract which i think is maybe the issue where it fails but there you go it's still going it's still going and it's It's still going. It's still going. And it's... Wow. Yeah. Wow. She's a goer.

That's wild. Anyway. We know who our audience is. We see you. We see you. How do you have one at home dan uh prototype because i was using them for a while no no we we've issued them 3d printed one oh okay yeah we've issued them to people to get feedback though this is very close to done do you have one of the hybrid ceramic bearing ones yes yeah um and i've expressed my complaints about that yeah oh new ones are even better i

had one i had one of the first bearing prototypes with the ceramic oh they're still amazing still amazing they're too loud though you mean the the ceramic i was just trying to make sure you didn't steal it yeah i'll go get it no we we've issued no you're good you don't trust me at all do you i feel like remote dan is like like dark side dan or something i'm like i'm scared of remote dan's power he's got a lot of power i mean i don't even have to be near you to ruin the show don't ruin the one show um anywho so sebastian has built quite a lot of these in various configurations to get feedback from people and make sure that everything's good one of the really cool things that the team did is rather than using um a retaining pin like the uh the mechanism for the bit storage does in the full-size driver it's magnetic in this one

so in theory it should have even better longevity cool and it's it also just is so satisfying again again we see you yeah this is uh and a lot of people have been like it oh a relationship with i fix it ended best friend now you know whoever but not at all we are not going head to head with i fix it our driver is going to be at a very different price point for one thing this is not free uh the development wasn't free we think it's a really great driver i think people are really going to love it but ifixit is probably going to be more affordable for the foreseeable future and ifixit has a wide range of products that we couldn't even if we wanted to couldn't

replicate like we are not going to get into adhesive strips for putting the screen back onto your iMac that's not happening we're not going to create guides we're not going to have this comprehensive so we're not going to partner with valve for steam deck replacement parts so the way that we see it and the way we've as we've discussed with iFixit is this relationship continues we both have very similar values we both have a very similar mission we want things to be more repairable we want things to be more upgradable we don't want things in landfills and so what we have a screwdriver so what we're not going to like partner anymore that would feel kind of ridiculous did we want to develop a

screwdriver i mean yeah we did but no we're not going to we're not going to terminate our relationship with iFixit over that that would be silly yeah what wouldn't be silly is picking the next topic oh yeah sure i think is that right are we doing that dan i think so it just says when after dark on the screen so i don't know what to do okay luke you want to pick a topic i will try to do so uh teenager criminally charged for snapchat joke british citizen uh aditya verma i hope i'm saying that right sure probably didn't uh is currently being tried in spain for causing public disorder over a 2022 airport security incident he was boarding a plane to the spanish island of menorca uh 18 year old verma

jokingly messaged the friends he was traveling with over snapchat quote uh quote on my way to blow up the plane and then in brackets i'm a member of the taliban which i have now said uh into a microphone on the internet uh look i'm not saying hitler was right oh my god man i don't even have to be in the same room and you guys just ruin the way and show yourself oh no i think yours is worse probably oh geez according according to court testimony it's it's assumed that the message was picked up via gatwick's wi-fi network oh no verma says that he was oh interesting verma says that he was not using gatwick's wi-fi but it's unclear whether or not the messages recipients were uk security services then alerted spanish authorities who scrambled two fighter jets no way to escort what is a fighter jet gonna do if someone is on board a plane threatening to blow

it up that plane i'll shoot it with a missile we'll blow it up before you can blow it up you can't quit you're fired pun intended that is an interesting one that was there's like let me get that for you oh thank you oh thank you there's more on the keyboard yeah nice perfect um uh wow okay um yeah the two fighter jets were were scrambled to escort the plane until it landed verma was arrested in spain and later questioned by british intelligence wow note there are frequent claims on the internet that snapchat encrypts pictures and videos but not plain text messages however snapchat's own website makes no such claim and only says that the messages sent via its service are private well i mean there's plenty of messages sent on snapchat that are

of privates come on i get nothing for that yeah nothing what i spit on your computer one time i spit on your computer one time. I get nothing. That was pretty good. I'm going to do it myself. He's going to ding. He's going to ding. He's going to ding.

There it is. Very nice. Without Dan's mic, are they able to hear that very well? I don't know. It doesn't matter. It's the principle of the thing. Yeah, fair enough. Anyways.

It came through fine. Nice, perfect. Jessica said it seems likely that if it were end-to-end encrypted that they would say so, which I completely agree with. If found guilty, Verma could be fined around 24,000 US dollars and made to

pay over 100 grand for the Spanish military's extremely useful in this case two fighter jets uh yeah wow very interesting discussion question is scanning messages sent over on public wi-fi a reasonable security precaution is the average person using public wi-fi or snapchat aware that this is even a possibility is this a proportionate response on the part of spanish authorities so here's the thing no buddy's 18 i probably would have made an edgy joke as i'm driving to the border about you know smuggling something when i was 18 i know

better now i've heard i don't know if this is actually true but i've heard there are microphones i've heard this too so they can listen to you in your car while you wait to cross the border i don't know if it's true me neither but i always say nice things but i just i just don't anything. I just keep my damn mouth shut. Yeah. Anytime I'm anywhere near an airport, anywhere near a border, anywhere near a customs officer, it's just not worth it. Yeah.

But at 18, like... I don't know, man. Like, do we really... Want to crush his life for a joke but then like an 18 year old can definitely you know commit a crime yep so dude i don't know i um what the age distribution for crimes are i have no financial ones way over here. Other more different ones, probably less there. That's interesting too. Type of crime age distribution.

Yeah. Like what's the average murderer age? Yeah. You know, what's the average, you know, B&E age? I suspect it's actually probably younger. Fairly specific. Probably skew younger for like break and enter. Yeah.

Physical crimes probably skew younger. Financial crimes probably skew younger for like breaking in or breaking physical crimes probably skew younger financial crime you don't want to be like senior citizen like trying to you know yeah yeah yeah yeah old fisticuffs yeah um difference between smuggling and terrorist threats yeah sure but it like they're gonna flag it one way or the other the response will just be different and the question our discussion question was should they be monitoring that i mean what i would want to say is they should have had a proportional response based on that he clearly wasn't organized enough to be you know not using public wi-fi or not using freaking snapchat for the communication but the flip side of that is like have you ever looked up dumb criminal montages like that's how they catch criminals is that criminals are dumb as f**k so

yeah uh it's pretty obviously a joke to me but it's not going to be obviously a joke to everyone um but i mean fining him 124 000 when he's 18 um like he's gonna have to declare bankruptcy that's that's life-changing stuff right there can you declare bankruptcy on a government fine like that i don't know i don't know how bankruptcy works i've never been bankrupt yeah me too i know you can't for student loans because you hear that on the internets oh yeah yeah yeah no that's that's like a thing that's a thing at least in the states can you can't can you for like in the states but can you do that for defamation settlements i have no idea yeah i don't know i don't know uh sponsors sure yeah

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Oh, it's time for merch messages. Dan, why don't you go ahead and hit me? Am I supposed to be doing this as well? I don't know if I have this in me. We'll try. Hey, merch message! Hey, DLL,

my mother recently received a USB to USB-C cable in the mall, in the mail, that she didn't order. Cut it up and threw it away, but I'm wondering how a scam like this would be cost effective. Was it a bad one? Did you run it through a tester? There are testers to find out if they're malicious cables. But I would not imagine a scam like that that to be particularly cost effective depending on it depends if they're targeted like if it's targeted this person's mom works in um like a medical field or something like that and they were trying to target them for

for patient data or something then absolutely it would be cost effective but yeah i know i know certain uh medical procedures she performs wow no. No, I'm just teasing. Wow. Wow. Wow. Yeah, I can't imagine just randomly shipping out a thousand USB cables. It depends, though. It would be valuable.

If they're the ones that have Wi-Fi and stuff built into them. Like, if it's an OMG cable or something like that, it's definitely not cost effective. Those are quite expensive. But if all it has in it is a tiny amount of storage and it just farts a little payload onto your computer, yeah. I still think it would probably need to be targeted, though. Because, like, you're still paying shipping, all this other kind of stuff. And what do you... Shipping shipping's cheap in the uk though and like there's a lot of places actually that shipping is super cheap compared to canada

canadian shipping canadian shipping is send a cable to someone it's like 15 dollars yeah be down the road yeah uh yeah oh uh cohen lemon says uh you would target a neighborhood where it's just generally wealthier people so you just send them to like a wealthy zip code totally do that with with shipping too so yeah i mean it could it could be like i would call that i'm just making this up on the spot but i would call that like soft targeting wan database arthur you don't know the half of it. Royal Mail is super cheap compared to what we have to pay. I mean, it makes sense. You guys are like, Eenie, weenie, now that you don't own the whole world,

how's it feel? Very small. Got him. Yeah, their ruler is still on our money. Yeah, why do we have to have stupid charles on the money so i didn't even mind it when it was elizabeth she seemed generally not the stupidest and at least it didn't like her her whole thing with the the car was very funny i'm gonna screw up that story if i try to sell it so i'm just not um but yeah and at least it didn't like change like we had to incur i'm assuming a relatively significant expense to like reprint a bunch of money well no they don't reprint it

they just print what they like okay print so just change design and continue forward yeah yeah that's not too bad but like eventually they do recall old series and issue new series. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's generally for security more than it is for just like, yeah, it's a different old person on that thing. I thought they issued a redesign. I didn't really follow it, though. Yeah, I mean, there was still design time. There's still, it's still a pain.

But anyway. Yeah. Why not put more loons or geese on the money yeah i mean i'd be i'd be i'd be down why don't we put freaking terry fox on the money yeah like what the fuck well for what like a limited series or something no just put him on there i didn't think it was oh is he i don't know i never carry cash anymore i thought he he was on a $5 bill or something. We have Canadian heroes. In 2020, a short list of eight bank notable Canadians were to be portrayed on the $5 vertical polymer bills in place of Laurier.

600 nominees, Terry Fox. So yeah, I guess it was limited. I didn't realize it was limited. Well, that's stupid. It should just be Terry Fox forever. Yeah. For real, guys, if you don't know who Terry Fox is, stupid it should just be it should just be terry fox forever yeah like for for real for real guys uh if you don't know who terry fox is he's an absolute unit you should go read about him

it's one of the most inspiring stories that you will ever hear he's incredible what a chad yeah absolute what a terry unit all right apparently for a limited time he was also on our loony well it should just be all the time yeah yeah yeah yeah okay you heard it here first yeah we're advocating for terry fox on all the money instead of king charles yeah like how many how many greater thans would we need and the government of canry fox versus king charles uh tim hortons those two things should happen okay i don't know that i would want the canadian government running it but how about some canadians yeah how about that fair enough okay we can agree on that yeah very good very good very good very good

how many marathons does charles run fewer than terry probably and terry didn't finish one what was at the end of the marathon what was the goal for for charles well i'm not okay okay to be clear he finished a lot of marathon distances but i mean the one the marathon and you guys will have to read about him if you want to learn about terry okay yeah okay yeah remember having terry fox day and sports events at school yeah it was great i love that they did that they still do great yeah terry fox is totally still thing that's very good you should have terry fox day forever yeah until we get a better canadian than terry fox you should have terry fox day yeah good luck so we'll have terry fox day forever yeah i feel like that's a thing that would actually get canadians

like really riled up if people tried to like go in on terry fox oh i think that would be guns out time yeah unacceptable i'm talking these but you know yeah no unacceptable yeah yeah man don't go after terry yeah man i'd be really angry me too i would actually you went there for a second no man oh boy oh you don't oh man yeah you know you don't leave terry alone yeah oh man all right all right next one sure hey lld i've just finished my first week at my first job at 19 and i love it though i struggle to keep my personal life from affecting my work and do not want it to affect this one any advice that's tough man like um i don't think it's possible like i think i speak for both of us when i say there have been times

when our personal lives have affected work oh yeah and affected like our work with each other yeah in a negative way to be clear like and probably vice versa but yes in a negative way for sure yeah yeah well okay okay here's an example i've had a pretty tough five months or so i think it's probably affected how short i've been sometimes i'm'm not proud of it. Oh, f*** off. You can't see my face either. Oh, man. Oh, man. Okay, sorry.

Don't make me spit on your laptop, man. All right, sorry. all right sorry that was a serious moment anyway the point is do your best right um other people don't deserve to deal with your baggage and if you have the right mindset about it the relationships you build at work and the things you do at work can be an oasis. Um, there are times, yeah, there have been times in my life when I'd rather be working. There have been times where I, I didn't want to go home because by working, I was very focused. Yep. So, uh, I'm not saying that that's healthy. I'm just saying that you should, you should try, try to make the most of it.

Wow, I don't know how to say your name, but someone in the Philippine chat said, 19 is too young to be mature enough to keep mentally separate. He will get there. That's another thing that honestly I would back up a little bit. I find it gets a little easier to kind of split things when you need to and to emotionally moderate as you get older. I have found that

personally i don't know how i mean hormonally it makes sense because you just kind of get a little they start decreasing yeah you get you get just a little more um a little less juiced yeah pretty literally yeah um yeah i don't know it's tough though there's gonna be times where you're not gonna be able to completely do it step one is recognizing that it's a potential problem though yes that can help a lot being cognizant of it is you can self-analyze in a in a situation and and try to figure out like okay i'm not going to be able to handle this properly do i need to remove myself from this scenario and it helps not take things personally yeah like if someone's like you know yo you know the this work isn't up to your usual standard uh we need an improvement you know let's

let's say you end up in a coaching session or something because it's been going it was ongoing for a while and it's like really affecting the quality of the work hypothetically right so if you can basically go hey hey i am not being attacked this is i am capable of more and i need to and i need to refocus if i if i want to perform at the way that you know i want to perform which will be good for my career um being compensated for etc etc all of this right you know assumes that everyone's acting in good faith right like you might just have like a boss or something like that and they're just beating you up or whatever right like i yeah i'm assuming a best case scenario where where you're you're in a job that you know has a you're in a healthy workplace environment at a healthy company where where feedback is given in a respectful professional manner but there's definitely ways that you can utilize being aware of it to to help to to modulate yourself moderate yourself both i guess yeah it worked

but yeah i mean you're gonna go through some stuff um i think as people start getting into their 20s and 30s like grandparents start to kind of pass away at a fairly high rate dan vale's giving me a posture check on floatplane sorry thank you dan vale everybody take the posture check um but yeah you start kind of going through some stuff um relatives passing away um yeah relationship is a big one it's like relationship maybe maybe you'll break up with your significant other yep or maybe your significant other is going through something and that'll be worse yes to be completely honest yep seen that before and and what if your significant other is going through something really really hard and the support of that

person is very draining and you're just gassed out emotionally when you get to work like there's there's there's just so many different things that can come up that can make emotional regulation difficult and that will affect your work so just try your best next one no we don't need a shock collar for posture checks cory g i've spent enough of my life with a shock collar on and the one elijah got for that video is flipping crazy like i think medhi actually felt bad about shocking me with it and normally he just shocks me because he thinks it's hilarious and he has no remorse whatsoever. It's very painful. That's rough.

All right. Hit me, Dan. Hi, LLD. Scrapyard Wars is what brought me to your channel. Love to hear it's returning. Can you share any details about it? I love to see the content about older and budget good enough hardware. Right now, the only thing that I can share is that we are shopping it to sponsors.

As soon as we have one, we're going to lock in some production dates. The concept is really good, but I don't want to say what it is yet because I would love for it to just be a surprise. I don't even think I know what it is. No, you don't. Oh. I think that gives you an unfair advantage, sir. No, it doesn't. Oh, okay. Yeah, you an unfair advantage, sir. No, it doesn't.

Oh, okay. Yeah, it'll be fine. Sounds good. Yeah. I'm excited. If anything, this will be the most fair one in a very long time. Oh, wait. I think I do know what it is.

Oh, okay. Well, then shh. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Oh, more topics okay let's do topics luke what do you want to do for a topic uh we've got whoa something's happening to the dog what's going on is it we're just like drawing smiley faces was that you what the teenager criminally charged for snapchat joke that's just like random oh no i mashed your keyboard

it made a bunch of smiley faces that's amazing um okay oh here hold on hold on really quick here guys so here's what he's talking about um I had planned to do this this week. Someone posted on... Oh, wait, go. Yeah. I even brought my Apple TV, but someone posted on Reddit after I had complained last week about how it was impossible for me

to cancel my Apple Arcade subscription from my Apple TV. Someone posted saying they didn't appreciate the negligence and the way that I ranted about it without actually checking if it was true. I responded on Reddit saying, hey, I see your screenshot that shows you are able to cancel it. I don't know if this is a regional difference. I don't know if it's a change. It's definitely something I experienced. Here's a link to someone else who experienced the same thing that also links to Apple's

own support documentation that verifies that there is no way to cancel it on Apple Arcade or without installing iTunes. So I don't know what to tell you. They deleted the post. We had a good chat about it in the pre-show. They're actually a floatplane subscriber.

So we're all cool. Everything's cool. But I had intended to do a segment where I try it live. I'm going to subscribe to Apple Arcade again, and then I'm going to try to unsubscribe. But Dan isn't in this week. So I guess we're going to do it next week. I'm just letting you guys know I haven't forgotten about it. And I do want to get to the bottom of that.

I suspect it's a regional requirement. Could be. Some country requires you to be able to cancel it through whatever or something. Well, now that we know that Apple plans to allow third-party marketplaces allow um in the eu only it's very clear that apple has regional different flows depending on the region and that they can do that yeah or at least they will at that time yeah uh gaming is still bleeding jobs so far in 2024 the gaming industry has lost a total of around 5670 jobs um i know this isn't just gaming industry but if you go to layoffs.fyi which is a pretty cool website um it shows that in 2024 so far 91 tech companies with layoffs have uh accumulated 24,564 employees laid off.

That isn't just gaming, though. That's like tech industry in general. So those are definitely different things. More than half of the job losses seen in the gaming industry, at least, over the... Total around 5,670 jobs. More than half the job losses seen over the course of last year yeah so we've already lost over half as many jobs in 2024 as we did in all of 2023 yeah maybe in this pace gaming specifically in gaming yeah yes not in tech because tech was over 250 tech was brutal last

year yeah um so i i just keep inserting tech even though that's not what the topic is talking about at all which is which is very cool of me um however i made about confusion and a lack of communication meaning they didn't know whether or not they still have a job riot games has announced they're laying off around 11 of their global staff 530 employees while ceo dylan uh jadea they put in the pronunciation that's sick shout out jessica and riley yeah jadea claimed uh quote as ceo i'm accountable for the changes we're making and where we're headed heading in the future he likewise described these layoffs as the result of several risky management decisions, including the company doubling its headcount over the course of only

a few years and taking big bets in 2019 that didn't pay off. It is unclear from the memo whether Riot leadership will be undergoing any changes or sustaining any pay cut. Notably, Jadea was president of the company for six years before becoming ceo in 2023 riot says they will be offering uh departing staff at least six months of severance pay uh with a top-up to cover their health benefits six months of access to job placement services and a laptop for job search purposes if they don't have one holy crap that's really generous that's insanely generous uh laid off staff holding work visas will be given additional support to aid them with their immigration status that's wow that's pretty good i mean our discussion

question is is there a right way to handle layoffs i'd say even half of that would have been pretty darn right way very like yeah yeah that's a lot half a year of salary is wild that's really outstanding i mean that would that would give me a lot of confidence to apply to a company like riot knowing that okay i'm either if it doesn't work out if it doesn't work out, if it doesn't work out, these are people who, when they make a mistake, they make a good faith effort to deal with it. Yeah. Like, yeah,

sometimes you hire someone and you know what? This project, it doesn't make sense anymore. Um, but at least they're, they're taking it on the chin. They're eating the cost. Dude,

530 employees, six months salaries. Yeah. That's millions and millions of dollars wow like they are they are putting their money where their mouth is and taking care of taking care of the errors that management made that led to these redundancies i think that's really that's huge wow yep that's that's a big move yeah love to see it you know what i'd love to see a lot less than that this is great i hope you haven't read this yet during a recent cnbc interview hewlett packard ceo enrique lores made a series of what are described in our notes as

inflammatory statements. In other words, he was a raging shithead. He said that customers who buy printers are, and this is a quote, an investment. And that if that

customer doesn't buy enough ink and supplies, they are a bad investment. I would hazard to believe they're selling their printers at a loss. If they were, I would maybe understand this statement. I'm not sure I'm convinced of that anymore. I seriously doubt they do. Loras further stated that in the long term, HP wants to make printing a subscription.

That is a direct quote, which will reduce the barriers to printing. Are you listening to yourself, sir? Could you be more out of touch commercial? Okay, fine. Let's talk about that for my inkjet printer. More out of touch. Commercial? Okay. Fine. Let's talk about that.

For my inkjet ass printer that I use like once every f***ing six months, no. If I want to buy a little syringe needle nonsense thing and inject some stupid crappy third party ink

into my thing because it clogged and i don't feel like getting a brand new one i'm gonna i'm gonna do that they put they put chips in their ink cartridges now do you know that yeah and and let's talk about that for a second because the next point which i i have also heard about this is great enraged me i want i wanted to do it but you you do it you do it i i took all your topics today you do it lor lor's likewise alleged that viruses can be embedded in third-party cartridges and used uh to infect a user's network through their printer research firm actionable intelligence proved that this kind of attack was theoretically possible in 2022

in response to an hp bug bounty but hp has acknowledged that there are no known cases uh such as a such as a hack that have occurred um what would be crazy if you stopped making them that way so that this wasn't possible why does the cartridge have a fault okay discussion question when will the eu come for hp hopefully quickly now yeah do are there any eu regulators like can we can we get can can i get in touch because i have ideas like i'm i'm down if anyone if anyone actually like has the ear of anyone who works at any EU regulatory bodies that deal with this kind of stuff, man, I'd be happy to chat. I want to chat. Free consulting. Look, I'm not saying that government regulation is the answer to everything.

I'll meet you on your hours. It's not. But when this is what's happening, if this is what the free market says is okay, then f*** the free market. We can't do it because the terrible things that we're currently doing might be dangerous for you if you try to circumvent them. What? We opened up this attack vector. We opened Pandora's box. So now, you know, that's not on us.

That's on you. No! F*** off! Oh, man. on us that's on you no off oh man yeah cute cap pal cap la 42 says hashtag framework printer don't imagine for a second i haven't brought it up the issue is that there's a small handful of companies that own basically every printer related intellectual property thing good friggin luck yeah that makes sense burn it that was that was like i was laughing during the i i did i did read this ahead of time i was laughing during the first paragraph and i was enraged during the second one

just what a joke yeah what a joke gross we need to sell you armor because our car randomly tries to stab you in the chest yeah it's like make it stop doing that yeah like yeah how about just don't do that anyways what else we got today oh my god we have we had so many product announcements that I just like didn't even talk about okay did we even

talk about this I'm so sorry I know I don't think so I've been wearing it for the show how did we have so many product things today that is this is a lot of stuff we have a short circuit t-shirt it's like the short circuit long sleeve but it's a t-shirt look how cool it is yeah damn that's a cool shirt it's pretty cool yeah and there's but wait there's more we have a white shirt now it's 100 cotton for people who like oh it's just a plain white shirt 100 cotton sweet and it's it's

got a really great hand feel still even though it's not the same material as our typical shirt uh it's a bit heavier uh oh yeah look at that okay heavier uh whatever this were grams per square meter i forget what this is i made that up that maybe is what it is but it's a little bit on the heavier side to um to hide those to be a little less see-through pure white shirts as cool as they are can have some see-through issues so but really similar fit to our 60 40 cotton poly tees and uh looks great all the way from extra small to triple xl i think that's what hp does when they sell you printers yeah yeah yeah yeah we've all seen the bit yeah yeah um was there anything else i think you did everything else okay did i did i hit everything else i think so yeah okay all right um yeah i don't know maybe we'll just talk about them again

next week or something like that man we try and try and double dip yeah we'll be like apple we'll just double dip and then you gotta do it a lot and you gotta pay a subscription once we send it to you gotta send us our like protection money for your shirt yeah um next topic uh yeah why no super review oh nvidia launched the rtx 4070 super last week on the 17th and we'll be launching the 40 80 super next week on january 31st there was also a 40 70 ti super i think i can't remember which other super there was it doesn't matter the point is we haven't done an ltd review of either of them um because we didn't feel like dealing with nvidia's six embargoes six for this launch for all those for each of the three cards and remember guys these are not new gpus these are a thing that we already had but like slightly

rika majiggered six and they had six embargoes that three per card that is two per card there were three cards oh yeah so there's an unboxing embargo for each card review and then a review embargo oh wait did i say six i meant nine embargoes so or maybe it's not nine because at least one of them has a separate review embargo for the founders edition and for the aib cards i can't i't remember, but basically I saw the schedule and I said, okay, number one, f*** off, NVIDIA. Just launch them.

Just launch them. We'll be happy to review them. We'll put them all together. Number two, I just, I'm sorry, but I just think it's ridiculous for our viewers to have to dig through all these different videos.

You don't want nine videos? Yeah, no. What do you mean? Because every one of the following videos is just going to be all the graphs you just looked at with one more data point on it. So we made the decision when we saw this to do one review video what a terry move of

the new super lineup thank you um it wasn't just my decision we talked about it as a team we just looked at it we went this is absurd maybe you know if we have time we'll do a couple of them on short circuit but no we're gonna do a review of super you guys can just watch one video you'll know everything you need to know about super the super 4000 yeah exactly sounds cooler yeah no just just ridiculous so instead you guys got the you know how we're parallelizing our gpu benchmarking video which is going to be super cool super cool get it Because, and you won't necessarily see it on the super review here, but in future, we are going to be able to hopefully massively increase the number of fresh

results that we can have on our benchmark charts. Because as you guys know, we retest as long as there isn't a new driver. What was that? Did you hear that yeah uh i opened a video on youtube and i guess it was still piped through cool okay the point is um okay okay we're muted no the the video it's fine uh the point is that we are so we're able to provide fresh testing data and we'll be able to provide so much more. So as long as there hasn't been a driver update at all, no OS updates, no driver updates, we retest. And we'll be able to do that with a much, much wider pipe. With the three CPUs that we have found are within, I think it ended up being like 0.25% of each other

in productivity. It doesn't matter. It's in the video. Speaking of which, you should watch that video too, because you're talking about GPU testing, but the CPU testing video was sick. No, no, no.

That's for GPU testing. Oh, it's the same thing. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's not the same thing. No, I meant we're talking about the same video we're talking about the same video and a lot of people misunderstood that um we are validating cpus that are the intro explains it pretty well it's just a long video nearly identical to each other so that when we are doing GPU testing, we can test three GPUs at a time

instead of one GPU at a time per bench. Because if your standardization bench has a delta of, what was it, 8% or something? I don't remember what the percentage was. It was as much as 8%, and I think that was in Factorio or something like that. If it has that much of a delta, then all your results are screwed.

So you need similar platforms yes and um so so a lot of people seemed really confused by that video like i remember seeing one bit of feedback on it that we should um if we oh man i forget what it was but it was basically like no you should just rerun the benchmark more times and i'm like no no no we already we already do that this is that that's not what that is not what we're talking about at all we already do multiple runs and then uh the outliers go away and then the median or mean or whatever we have smart people who do that stuff um yeah really cool video that kind of thing doesn't get a lot of views but what it is

it's foundational so when the labs website is fully launched when we start to populate it with articles this is what we're going to be able to kind of point people to and go okay yeah this is the rigor that is going on behind the scenes so that when you guys just see a graph on the labs website you'll know it's good to go and in a way i'm actually i'm really looking forward to the lab's website because there's going to be so much less possibility for human error like even in that video after all the after all the qc there were like there were i think two bars that were oh because you can update it mislabeled one of them was one percent and one of them uh said one it said one percent when it was supposed to be averaged and it averaged when it's supposed to be 1%. But when everything's coming straight out of the results database,

and the graphs are just automatically generated, we don't have to worry about human input creating graphical assets. That'd be nice. It's going to be so good. There could still be issues with... Anyways, whatever. Nothing is infallible. Yeah, but it'll be nice.

But there'll be less human intervention which is and with the site at least even if there are still issues uh we can update it um a lot of people asked and this is a question that's coming up here why not just force the clock speed do you do that do you run your computer like that no oh it's actually a surprisingly unrealistic thing in current year yep 100 so uh no we we think it's worth the work of making sure that we are running the system the way that you would run the system so that's why we that's why when it was time to get over 10 CPUs, we went for a modern top-tier chip because we want to see what the maximum difference

that we can see in these GPUs is, assuming that we can reduce the other system bottlenecks as much as we can. And we spent the time testing it to make sure that we have consistency. We're going to have to continue to revalidate, and with every new platform, we're going to have to do this process again. But you guys are worth it.

You guys are worth it. These things take time, man. I think a lot of people are looking at the slow progress in the lab going like, oh, yeah, why is it so slow? Why were there mistakes? Science and engineering takes time. And it's just like, guys, because there's always going to be

a little bit of learning as we go. Yeah. And these things take time. Yeah, it's going to keep getting better though. That I can promise you. It's going to keep getting better. Oh yeah, it was a great video. It was fun.

Doesn't get a lot of views, that kind of thing, but that's what it is unfortunately that's okay we're just going to do it because we care and at the end of the day if those kinds of videos just don't get views then that's fine we'll have the website but we still want everything we do to have this foundation that's what we are building towards that's the that's the vision from our chief optometrist i still like chief eyeball officer but anyways uh disney's holodeck disney has unveiled a working model of what they're calling the world's first multi-person omnidirectional modular expandable treadmill floor okay i intentionally have not watched this video yet because it sounds too good to be true.

And if I was going to be disappointed, I wanted it to happen in front of y'all. So this is, this is not actually a this week thing. I've already seen this. This is from last week, but it's sick. Okay. That looked amazing. Yeah. Are you kidding me? No. How does it know?

They also... Are they just all on bearings? Like, what am I looking at? Well, it's always pulling you kind of to the middle-ish. How do you stand still? Multiple people. Shut up. Multiple people people one platform

and you can tell even just by how he stands and in an earlier portion of the video you see him walk into the room and some of uh his natural gait actually makes it look i think like it's not working as well as it is just because he's a bit of a shuffler a little bit of a shuffler yeah which makes you think that it's maybe not doing as well but you see him walking on normal floor beforehand and you can kind of see that happening um i think it's incredibly impressive uh people say can you run i don't think there's uh visual evidence of that but i think they say that you can they have a really really cool dance moves yeah they have a really cool demo somewhere in the video yeah that's okay you guys should go watch it are you talking about him sitting on the chair

and them rolling him around on it yes what the heck that's at like four minutes and 30 yeah go check out the video they also show not even a person, which I think is incredibly interesting. I think it's like a teaser at the end or something. I don't remember what it is, but they show, and you should watch it. When he's sitting on the chair, they're like whipping it around.

He's moving very fast, which is also interesting. At one point in time, they just put an Apple box with no one on it. And it just cruises around on it. And they make it move. This is wild which is incredibly interesting for a huge amount of applications because it's omnidirectional conveyor belt at that point i just hope disney doesn't patent it and then oh they're like

definitely only use it in their parks oh they're like definitely gonna do that and then they did say it just never exists anywhere else applications in other things so i suspect they might try to patent it but i also suspect they might try to like license it out to other people okay because they talked about how it has applications in a wide variety of things not just their parks yeah so i hope it just doesn't end up so there's like one ride yeah you know some star wars experience and that's the only place that ever exists you get like forced pulled or something yeah yeah oh my god i wasn't done the sentence guys i know they're gonna patent it patent it um i just don't want it to only exist in one theme park experience and then nowhere else okay our last big topic for the week twitter pumps mr beast video this is kind of hilarious who didn't see this coming mr beast recently uploaded a video to twitter in order to test how many views and how much

revenue it could get on the platform it seems that twitter being the you know totally um fair platform that it is you know town square etc decided to put a thumb on the scale. MrBeast's video was heavily promoted by official Twitter accounts, by Elon Musk himself, and by Twitter's advertising platform as an unlabeled ad. Very cool. Many Twitter users complained that the video was absolutely everywhere and that they would sometimes see it again and again while they were scrolling. It was only obvious that the post was classified as an ad

if the user clicked on a drop-down menu, and you can actually see this down below. Report ad, why this ad? MrBeast made around a quarter million dollars from this video which he has already allocated to prizes in a giveaway i believe he actually announced the winners of the of the giveaway today he gave 10 random followers on twitter 25 000 each um so our discussion question is what is the point of this they gave mr beast a big hunk of cash that they know is not representative of typical revenue for a video on the site i think they were hoping to get away with it if jimmy's future content doesn't perform the same way that this one did he's not going to keep uploading if other creators see you singling out jimmy and then don't achieve similar results

they're not going to keep uploading yeah yeah my assumption is they uh we're hoping they wouldn't notice look with all of that said if twitter can figure this out if they can be a viable video platform with actual you know evergreen content discoverability, because that's what YouTube does. That's what YouTube does well that Twitter sucks at. Pretty much everyone sucks at. Hey, I'm kind of a video creator. Like, are we, sorry, I'm sorry.

Are we talking incremental views? Like bigger audience okay sign me up there is no competing vod platform but so if there was a competing vod platform that would be good for everyone i am i am on extensively on record very much disliking twitter oh yeah and it has nothing to do with the chief twit right now it It doesn't actually. You've hated it forever. I've just always hated Twitter. But if there was a competing VOD platform. That was viable. Yes.

That would be good for everyone. But it would have to actually be competing, which has been the problem every time. Yep. So like, eh, good lucks. All right.

Good luck everybody. Netflix? That's not. Yeah, that's a very different thing. uh we're talking user generated content i am gonna go switch us to one show after dark so our little sign on the monitor is finally right oh oh oh oh rtx video hdr ai upscaling oh yeah right yeah yeah i um uh i don't know if we're gonna make a video about it i i want to but we have so many projects right now.

It's that post-CES boom. Yeah. It looks super cool, but I haven't gotten a chance to try it yet. Basically, what NVIDIA is doing is kind of like what they announced a fairly recent, I guess it was months ago, was it a year ago? I don't know, whatever, a while ago. Kind of like what NVIDIA announced a while ago, where they are able to upscale in real time

video that you are watching on your system if you have an NVIDIA GPU. It was pretty power hungry when I first tried it, but it was also really impressive. 1080p video looked way better. They could de-block and de-noise. It seemed to be the solution or a solution to low qual low bit rate streaming artifacts and so this is not the solution but a solution to the enormous catalog

of standard dynamic range content that exists out there and getting some kind of investment or getting some kind of return out of your investment into an hdr monitor and an hdr capable system with that content it looks amazing luke you've got it up there uh no i was trying to test something all right you're doing something else entirely totally off topic not even focused on it wasn't off topic not even focused on hosting a show with me. It was not off topic. There are comments about how the HDR video from NVIDIA is not in HDR. I'm going to have to beat you especially badly at Super Checks tonight.

You said you want to get home early. Oh, I'm still playing Super Checks. You just want to play Super Checks earlier. I mean... But I was trying to figure out if you're, if your device doesn't have HDR, can you not select HDR? Um,

I don't think you'd be able to, if you don't have an HDR display, how is it going to HDR anything? That's just not how that works. So, so when this person said that they uploaded it without HDR, I was like, are they actually right?

I don't know. I can't tell though, but it is what it is it is okay so you're looking at it now okay let's look yeah okay uh well that's a terrible example yeah that original video looks like crap that could look way better in sdr okay i mean yeah okay it's boosting the highlights a bit dark scenes in sdr can be difficult dark scenes in hdr can be difficult to watch yeah so let's see let's see let's see let's see this is a game too interesting interesting i oh could it just transform absolutely everything on your screen into hdr wow would that have to be banned in certain competitive games? I don't know. That's pretty cool, though.

How does this only have 100,000 views? This is sick. I don't know. Okay, I don't know. Maybe we should do a video about it. I don't know. The best video you've ever seen in SDR. If you turn this feature on. NVIDIA won't let you enable the HDR setting

unless you enable HDR in Windows. Yeah, that makes sense, because your monitor would have to be receiving metadata from your operating system. All NVIDIA is doing is taking that SDR content you're playing back and interpreting it into HDR metadata that your monitor can understand. interpreting it into HDR metadata that your monitor can understand.

Yeah, so I think the comments are probably right. I don't think they uploaded this video in HDR, which is hilarious. There's a lot of comments about it. King Fish Watch on YouTube said, showcasing an AI HDR tone mapping by converting both SDR and HDR samples to SDR is a truly big brain move. You know what would have worked better actually is if they filmed the screen. Believe it or not that I forget why it works, but you would be able to see the difference more even if they uploaded it in SDR.

That makes sense. It like does sort of, I guess even if they uploaded it in SDR. That makes sense. It like does sort of, I guess. But yeah, it's still weird. It's mind-breaking math, but no, an SDR video of the same camera filming an SDR screen and an HDR screen does not look the same. Yeah. You can see that the HDR one is better.

Don't ask me why i'm gonna go switch this over to when chapter dark okay sounds good danny you ready to go okay cool i was like we don't technically know if he's still here to bed i don't know yeah he could be pulling one of those things where he like works his other job during land show oh yeah you know the whole the whole thing where you're remote and you just like have two jobs or whatever yeah it's like and then we like we switch over to producer cam i get to switch the window oh sorry yeah yeah i'm awake i'm here i'm here all right what are we up to dan over to uh geez i guess we're doing merch messages oh geez oh geez i guess it's merch message time geez linus oh geez you know i haven't

watched the new season without justin roiland is it any good anyone know no idea oh okay cool well it just signed me out of the merch message dashboard, so that's awesome. Cool. Do you want me to wait? Nope. Okay. Hey, DLL, are you worried about labs pulling an Icarus? Anything you're doing to ensure it doesn't? How has it not already pulled an Icarus? At this point, we're just rebuilding it better than before.

I mean... So it's... It's also a thesis? More wax. i mean so it's it's also more wax and to be clear that that we put reinforcements in the wax that's not that's not on that's not on labs you got icarus yeah all the uses yeah that's that that's not all that's not on labs there's there's a lot of factors that played into everything. But the reality of it is, we're just going to keep doing our thing, guys.

We're going to keep improving, and you guys are going to see it, and you're either going to accept it, or you're going to put your fingers in your ears, and go, I can't see this, I can't see this. The choice is yours. Do you think that the Intel plants in Ohio will eventually make their prices more user-friendly?

Also, how crazy is it that them and Google have decided to start focusing on expansion in Ohio? Um, I mean, it's probably cheap. I mean, Micron has demonstrated that you can build a tech hub anywhere. We did that facility tour in Idahoaho of all places so what's idaho known for chips and chips and it's not like they don't have super smart people there and it's not like the people there aren't pragmatic intelligent people who are like hmm well i could work in silicon valley where i spend you know however many tens of thousands of dollars a year on housing or i could live in but f**k idaho and spend basically nothing on housing

but still have my big penis tech salary gee let I think that... I think it was also, like, beautiful, isn't it? If you have the kind of pull that an Intel and a Google might, then you can basically make a tech hub. You kind of decide where it is. So, yeah, it makes a ton of sense to me. Linus, in Riley's Tech Update, you started talking about a closet PC you once had, but got sidetracked by Rocket League hype.

Can you finish that anecdote? That really was the whole thing. I had it so that when I tucked in my chair, my whole closet, it was like a two-door, like accordion-style door closet, and it would close so that if i optimistically ever brought a girl into my room never happened um there would be no gaming pc i mean i'd still have a cringe futon oh man yeah my high school bedroom was not a cool kid bedroom yeah hey dll linus with the recent quick bits slip up

have you ever considered that not embracing the phrase could be detrimental to the tech linked and game link brands also thanks for the quality tools i don't even remember how the whole thing started maybe i thought it was just like arbitrary having some of the titles called something and some of them not called something or maybe they used to always call them something different back in the day before they standard. I don't even know. But if anything, I think it's better

for the TechLink GameLink brand that I continue to refuse to say it because they have a lot of fun trying to get me to say it and I have a lot of fun not saying it. So no i think we'll keep it up and no problem enjoy your quality tools i recently went shopping for a mouse and hated the experience because i want the best one how would the experience be for comparing peripherals on the lab's website um we're gonna have to figure that out yeah we're gonna have a lot of work to do on that some of it's gonna be charts and graphs if we can do things more visually i mean that's

what we are we're a media company we're gonna do our best with it but i think what you're gonna see at the beginning is minimum viable product which is going to be charts and graphs and text and then over time we're going to try to expand on that slash utilize the labs data to put together more compelling video content that we think you guys will really enjoy we shot a video today that i'm really excited about um okay if you're not canadian you won't have heard of these guys but princess auto is basically the Harbor Freight of Canada. It's like where you go to get a $3 socket set, you know?

Might be a little more than that. And so we were there, we were there picking up something because we needed some cheap something and something caught our eye. I thought it'd be a little bit more, and it is a little bit more, but it's not as much more as I expected. It's $10. Yeah, there you go.

For deep ones, too. Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm talking about. Princess Auto, baby. And that's $10 Canadian dollars. Yeah. So that's about $7 US dollars. So I'm really not that far off.

No, not really. Okay, it's more than double but we're talking four bucks yeah so anyway uh princess auto we were there picking up something and uh someone snapped a picture of what looks like a razor display whole bunch of peripherals. Upon closer inspection, the brand is in fact not snake-themed, but rather dart frog. So we bought them all, obviously. And I think this video is really cool because it's a perfect example

of what we want this kind of content to be. Hey, here's something you might want to know about, whether it's, you know, a diamond in the rough power supply or a motherboard that actually impacts performance, you know, finding interesting stories and not just doing your basic YouTuber reaction, but also backing it up with hard data. So it has a combination of what would be like a classic ltt unboxing slash experiential video with labs data that helps to quantify what it is that we're seeing and what we're feeling really cool video it'll be coming in a while just shot today so probably be a couple weeks dart frog is that the name of the company here hold on i'll be right back i want to do a message while i uh sure you got one for me dan uh for you specifically let's see we're just a

general one i know hello i met you at ltx and asked how your fitness journey was going how's it been since then and where your fitness goals for 2024 still recomping uh yeah to be honest uh not not as good as they were as as dan knows because i've been complaining to dan about it um i got sick for like a really long time a very long time i was very very sick for like two weeks um and i was already upset about the impact from just that and then i had this weird you might have even noticed it on wanshow where sometimes something in my throat would just get caught and i couldn't breathe anymore and i'd have to clear it um there was literally, I think, like a month or two of that just on Wancho because I would start talking emphatically,

and then I'd have to clear it. And that was scary because a lot of things that I liked doing while I was working out might be a bit of a problem if you very suddenly, unexpectedly couldn't breathe. So I decided to take time off from that. I started going again, I think it was two or three weeks ago and then i had to take a break for a curling tournament some other things and now i'll be i'll be going again on tuesday so i lost some progress but um it's been going pretty well my my goals for the end of the year are not really fixed though to be honest i do usually like

monthly or quarterly style style stuff okay we're gonna play a game okay do i need to close my eyes um no okay okay the game is called Dart Frog or Razor. Okay. Okay. Okay. Maybe you do need to close your eyes. Yeah, I thought so. Okay. Okay. So all you're allowed to do, you only get a flash. So like a blink, an opposite blink. That's all you get. An opposite blink. Oh, okay. Yeah. Got it. Okay. Okay. So you you'll do we'll do a and b okay okay go that was a really long flash i i didn't like see i thought it was gonna be here i really didn't see it okay hold on hold on hold on okay here's b that was too long i looked for too long i thought the first one was razor until you showed me the second box and then i looked for too long at the second box okay it doesn't

dang it lube anyway the point is it's gonna be a good video wow don't miss it even even from here yeah i know wow yeah i know Even from here. Yeah, I know. Wow. Yeah, I know. Wow.

They even, I didn't actually bring this up in the video. That's crazy. But do you notice how prominently they put the word laser everywhere on it? Oh, wow. Wow. That's a little, that's a little scummy everything about it is scummy laser is very close to razor the dart frog is very similar to the snake combination sure is um yeah that's it'll be a good video honestly if i hadn't seen them yet looking at this angle like

here i wouldn't be able to tell yeah i know it's like i can't make out the logo and being able to make out the logo is honestly the only way you can tell yeah that's wild it's gonna be a really good video don't miss it guys oh all right dan yep all right yeah linus what do you think of the rumor intel is going to kill off hyper threading i mean sure i'm not a cpu architect if they think that's a good idea then it's probably not a terrible idea if there's other ways that they can deliver the performance their customers expect um this is another thing we've got a video coming on recently so we finally covered meteor lake we look at integrated gpu performance we talk about the new core ultra branding and one of the things i say this is not investment advice i am not a financial advisor

is long term intel just took a beating okay so i'm gonna say it again this is not financial advice i'm not a financial advisor don't come angrily screaming back yeah intel just took a beating but i love where they're looking long term um i don't know the igpu stuff or just in general in general i don't know if they're going to be a you know five beggar or if they're going to lose all your money i don't know i'm not a financial advisor uh but i talk about this in the video i i love their tiled, their first shot at a tiled CPU. Are they gluing stuff together now?

They're gluing it real good. Really like it. Oh boy. J529 says, I'm buying Boeing. What do you think, Linus? I think I'm not a financial advisor. That's what I think.

Yeah, cool. not a financial advisor that's what i think um yeah cool anyway yeah if they if they say look we're not going to do hyper threading we're going to do efficient cores or we're going to have these okay so they have new efficient cores low power efficient cores that are on um like the soc tile rather than the compute tile and what's really cool about these is they can light these ones up to like handle a windows update in the background or whatever and they don't even have to have the main course turn on at all like okay not at all is a bit of an overstatement but that's cool though yeah it's pretty good for power savings to be clear amd still very competitive right now and we're gonna see new stuff from them hopefully in the near-ish future i mean 780m their their mobile gpu has been around for a while

um rdna4 though like where are you at dog um so we'll see we'll see but i i'm sure they're not down and out i am liking where intel is heading i really like their move into contract manufacturing for third parties hi guys will the stubby with black shaft get back into stock or is the notification option more like a poll thanks for an update we've never said never um i think we've always said not if we can't figure out the quality issues. With our black finishes. Okay. To be clear, this is actually a different thing.

I'm just teasing. Uh, this is anodized aluminum and we would not make a screwdriver shaft on something that you can really torque out of aluminum. We are still exploring black finish options. We have not settled on anything that we would consider to be acceptable to bring back black shafts yet. Hey, WAN.DLL, pronounced D-L little d little i can't see that uh could you explain how youtube premium works with monetization on youtube i'm gonna make this really big basically just like youtube shares ad revenue with the creators that you watch youtube shares premium

revenue with the creators that you watch and it's divvied up according to watch time. So if you were to watch, say, for example, 100 Cyanide and Happiness one-minute videos, or if you were to sit through a third of a WAN show, we would get half of it, and Cyanide and Happiness would get half of it. Half of the allocation that YouTube gives to creators, which is either 60% or 70%. I can't remember. Are you still using Theo Joe's comment moderation tool?

If so, is it working? No. Honestly, right now, most of our comment moderation is me and Chewy, our community coordinator. It seems to have helped a fair bit that every time i see a porn bot or a spam bot or a spectacularly stupid person i'm just shadow banning them and i think it's made at least the main channel less of a target i definitely see some more dumb on the sub channels

but we just didn't we didn't end up building a process that allowed us to run it forever and got distracted and hopefully youtube just fixes their stuff at some point it's possible that the overall spam is just down on the platform and it has nothing to do with any of our moderation but um we're we definitely do see it and we're definitely stamping it down whenever we do i don't think they'll ever fix it. Yeah, that's fair. I think it's going to get worse. Sooner than it gets better. I was, a friend of mine linked me a Twitter thread recently, which was a very long Twitter

thread that it took me a while of reading into because I was like, he wouldn't have sent this to me with no reason, but he didn't explain why. He was like, just read this this continue reading through these tweets and then eventually i realized it was a back and forth conversation between a very large amount of fake ai accounts but they were not promoting anything they were just it was just account cred a conversation while they so so they were incubating and i was like what the heck because it seems you know you know how a lot of ai output text is like too clean it's too like kind of generic yeah it was all like that and the conversation started kind of looping a little bit and i was like

what's going on because they're just riffing off of the previous tweets and there's realistically only so long that you could really do that and be original so they stopped being able to be original right and it was just like whoa it was it was very kind of eerie to read but yeah anyways moving on next one evening duke lan and dinus from texas can we get an update on backpack returns i've been waiting to return mine for over a month now also how is shipping being handled uh that's a great question and i do not know exactly um the last thing i want to do is give you any false information but what i can do is get dan to send a follow-up and um hopefully have an answer for you guys next week dan can we do that yep i'll send a message to nick or better if we don't talk about it next week then hopefully

you'll have already heard from our customer care team so i won't need to talk about it on one show that would be the ideal uh yeah one moment okay there we go i'll just leave that one there for the second um hi lld how do you feel about cloudflare i don't like that they control so much of the internet but i still use them because their products and prices are good almost free for what i need actually yeah honestly for for like non-large infrastructure company users their pricing is insane um to the point where like not using them for a lot of things is is just kind of like weird and ill-advised. We use them fairly heavily for VOD delivery on floatplane. I could complain about that a lot considering they're kind of like in action on fixing VOD delivery to most notably Australia and Germany, but other places as well. We need to do more to fix that on our end but what we need to do to fix that on our end

is to use more places than just cloudflare more actively um which is unfortunate because you would hope that they would just do better at that um their core product is insanely good um and and it's it's yeah i don't even really know what else to say their core product is just insanely good it works um the fact that they don't have more outages is like wild um what a crazy company sometimes they can be frustrating to deal with. I'm not a fan, as I've talked on WAN Show before, of calls where you just rotate your person that is the representative of that company every once in a while. And they always want to have onboarding calls. And it's really not productive for your company that they just keep cycling people constantly, constantly, constantly, constantly, constantly. And I wish that wouldn't happen so much. And I wish they would care more about their side products,

but their core product is just wildly good. And their side products are, are for the most part, pretty solid as well. But yeah, I don't know. It's never really great when one company has so much market share in an area,

but I will say while that goes poorly in a lot of realms cloudflare has seemingly kept the quality of their core product up uh quite well so i'll give them that let's see what we got here hey ll minus d picking up another wan hoodie my eight-year-old son loves the way my wan hoodie looks and wants to match when have you found your kids wanting something just because you had one first every time seriously every single time i pick up my ally, my kids are like, can I play? And I'm like, I use this maybe a couple times a week. It sits idle the entire rest of the time.

Just use it. When you have your screen time, just let me know and use it. They only want it when I'm holding it. Food, too. My kids are never like, Oh, can I have a salad? But if I'm eating Greek salad,

they come along, they pick all the tomatoes and all the feta cheese out. It's like, it's the best part. Okay. Let's see what else we got um hey linus great job promoting screwdriver bits and i'm not gonna be like i'm not gonna be like no don't eat vegetables yes tomato is technically a fruit calm down reddit but like a banana is a berry man sorry sorry dan sorry dan sorry i thought bananas were actually herbs A banana's a berry. Man! Sorry, Dan.

I thought bananas were actually herbs. That doesn't check out. Whatever. I'm pretty sure it's a berry. Great job on promoting screwdriver bits. I just bought all six sets before the price goes up. Not that this is you, but what's the worst company to threaten price increases as promotions okay i curated this but i couldn't think of one but i'm sure there's got to be

examples of companies being like here's our big sale guarantee you that you can have the old price before we raise it yeah i guarantee that's got to be a thing like especially like software as a service companies and stuff like that hey lock in now in now or we're going to raise the prices. Ha ha ha, got them. So I was hoping chat could maybe pitch us a few. Autodesk, all early, oh, early access games. The entire Kickstarter platform. Okay, didn't think of that one.

Pretty good. That's pretty good. I came up with that one. Yay. That's literally Kickstarter's whole thing. Yeah. Well, not really, but that's how most kickstarters work you you get it for however much off now but our our actual real price is coming later apparently disney plus did it in october

chess.com did it a while ago apparently um tesla has tesla done that did they do that that one year when they were trying to hit a target before end of year i have no idea that does sound kind of familiar meta quest 2 okay there's lots of examples of this yeah this is totally a thing yeah super interesting a lot of isps apparently do it okay internet access should only go down in price. That's stupid. Hulu apparently. Oh, wow. Wow.

You guys are coming up with lots of examples. Okay, cool. So this is a thing. All right. Dan. Hey, Luke and Linus. And possibly Jake. Will you do another month challenge if or when battle mage comes out cheers do you want to redo the arc challenge given that you are currently experiencing gp

related crashes and it is making your oh i'm experiencing all related crashes that's fair um nice nice computer linus you know what else is crashing the ncix sign pc it blue screens like once a day need to solve it i have mem test right okay i already turned off expo i've already turned off like s3 like i i decided to run mem test overnight because at least some of the errors i've been getting are reporting something that sounds like probably memory yeah um and it defaults to my far left monitor i have three monitors yeah it defaults to my far left monitor whatever run the test go to bed wake up in the morning all my monitors are black

like oh okay shake mouse keyboard stuff see like did it boot into windows somehow and go to sleep or does mem test like screen off at a certain point nothing's responding i'm like so it crashed okay power off computer power computer back on um okay crap it booted into mem test again whatever uh or no it nothing happens no yeah no it booted into mem test again whatever or no it nothing happens no yeah no it booted into mem test again okay turn it off on the usb whatever get back into windows oh my left screen didn't turn on what's happening oh emma tried to very nicely save my screen from burning and turned the monitor off oh nice so i just turned it off so i have no idea what happened to the test cool so i ran it before i left so hopefully when i get home i'll know if there's

memory problems or not so um uh i hope this isn't too much of a spoiler but uh probably shouldn't tell them i shouldn't tell them okay make sure you watch the video on his new build because um i think the title is going to be something like i have to get out of this contract or something like that it doesn't get you out of the contract anyway the point is that um let's just say his troubles may be related to the 10 CPU test video we just did. Yeah, I've been wondering that, actually. Hopefully that's not it. Hey, Dan.

Yeah, sure. This is weird. Years ago, you talked about becoming a real company that would survive without you and avon inheritance tax was it the problem you hope to have a good plan someday do you know appreciate you guys um i've talked about this a number of times pretty much every time i do it gets misunderstood or misconstrued in some way remember backpack warranty gate when i went on that very very long thing where i was like well anything that we set up should be something that is resilient enough

that it is not just based on the goodwill of you know trust me bro um you know so that in the event that i died or whatever it would still be in. And we're still trying to figure out exactly what that would look like. At the end of the day, people said they don't want anything that actually has any kind of teeth. They just want us to give them a piece of paper that says, okay, yeah, here's what it is. It's been really interesting watching the discourse shift on what I said. shift on what i said um now it seems like most people get it all i was saying was that the warranty you have from whoever it is you have it from is only as good as their willingness to fulfill it because they can drag ass they can just disappear um there's plenty of companies that change warranty or uh claim warranty violations for whatever bs reason any any warranty policy difficult to prove any warranty policy that would

make it past any lawyer worth their salt is going to have a clause in there that basically says yeah the whole thing's at our discretion anyway um and so the point i had been trying to make way back then was that we wanted to do it right as long as i am here you know whatever there's no way that i could screw you over because it would cause outrage proved my point thank you guys um and so i don't know uh coming coming back to your actual question i i don't know how to answer this without you know without it being misunderstood um inheritance tax is a problem um but i don't think that it will impact our ability to be a real company that will survive without us i think there are solutions um and it doesn't have to be that you know our kids inherit it or whatever else in fact i i haven't seen any indication that it would even be

remotely appropriate for our kids to inherit the company. The last thing I would want to see is for it to just be sold and just some random, you know, media company acquisition holding co, you know, take it and, and, and, and, you know, screw it up, right. But we do have some ideas. I don't think i'm at a point now where i'm ready to say exactly how it would work yes we we do have trusts in canada that is a thing that exists that is an option for um tax-free inheritance but there are a ton of limitations around them yvonne understands it better than i do it's it's not really viable if we plan to run the company for our lives and then

have some kind of succession plan that involved our kids but i i don't know that it would um urban fervor says i like how matpat is doing it i actually haven't seen his approach how many youtubers are just like retiring um i uh i called it on tom scott though i was like dude's my age but what's he talking about retiring and he's already revised the title of his video and been like yo people for people who didn't make it to the second sentence of my video it's i didn't mean like forever i mean he even he even said in um he's just he's he had he had a commitment to a certain amount of videos yeah he's not doing weekly videos yeah yeah okay i mean he didn't clickbait it a little bit which is funny because i he and i have had some conversations about you know clickability and and whatever and it's like okay dude because

that was pretty clickbait right there but sure um okay apparently matt pat sold the channel a year or two ago he's fulfilled his contract and stepping away so that's basically what we would have done if we had taken our offer yeah i just i wasn't ready yet um it's possible that we could do something like that but i don't looking back at it now the money would have been very good especially considering the challenges that we've faced this year right i would have been almost ready to walk away now okay yeah whatever this is your mess to clean up now apparently um so the money would have worked out really well but what i don't think would have worked out really well is the company i don't see why they wouldn't have just gone okay well this didn't work out and moved on to their next acquisition right and i think that it would have really impacted the people who work here and the people who really do care about what it is that we're trying to do. Yeah. So I'm really

happy we didn't do it. We're we've still we've got a lot of unfinished business. Hi, DLL. Is there a product that still exists today, named after an outdated or expected, but once innovative feature. Take Windows, for example, symbolizing simultaneous open software Windows. I wasn't sure on this one. I think Windows is a pretty good example.

I'm sure there's got to be other examples. I don't know, like RCA cable? No, not really. Sort of um a product that still exists today oh hold on a second um um um um movies oh we were just talking about this we were talking about this in the writing good that's real that's a really good example you know like the talkies the movies you know back when the moving pictures you know the movies we don't even think about that anymore

would this be the streamies or films even i mean anything to do with production pretty much yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah fuji film someone said as a as a company name the movie that's a company that's not product the movies though yeah i didn't realize it was product specific but yeah okay that's not really a product either but get over it yeah what do you think about cooler master killing the original spec nr200 and completely killing the nr200 air cooler compatibility i did not understand this question i mean nr200 is presumably a case yeah um i had a small form factor case i had not been following any of this drama eventually you're going to stop making a product right so like

why is this um completely killing the nr200 air cooler compatibility that I don't, what are they talking about? I don't know. Not sure. I mean, yeah, you gotta have kind of a, you gotta have kind of a target with your product, right? So if you're, if you're basically targeting water coolers and you've got kind of an idea for how the system should be built, there's so many options for AIOs. I don't really think you can look at that and go like rude. Um, a bummer if you wanted to do an air-cooled nr200 build but these things kind of happen and if there's enough demand i'm sure they'll bring it back and if there isn't enough

demand i guess they knew something you didn't yeah a dot dll any updated thoughts regarding the process of the ex-escapist team over at Second Wind and their transparency publishing detailed monthly revenue reports? That is a super, super cool transparency commitment. I don't think I've ever seen anything like that from a private private group like a private company um viewership looks consistent pretty in the range for what they were doing the subscriber count it also looks very similar to what they're doing before like fully ramblematic which is um full punctuation yeah man there's so many things we made videos about this week we have a reference to this that i think you guys will find quite funny

in one of our videos oh um yeah i'm not gonna i'm not gonna spoil it watch every video ha ha ha got them got them um okay where where are they publishing this i assume they have uh okay here a patreon it's not like they could have been on floatplane or whatever no problem don't don't bother reaching out to us doesn't matter uh the point is i guess they probably have some articles or something i guess you would have to be a patron to see them i don't know where they publish these things look at that support 14 185 paid members yeah that's awesome 80 660 a month good on you guys it's a million bucks a year that's fantastic that's fantastic good job very cool really rooting for these guys uh the income report is in the youtube post section apparently so like community posts i guess oh yeah okay we're two weeks out from when we started taking salaries hey good for you guys freaking a that's wicked love to see it

premium discord all right whatever i'm just rooting for them so good job you guys cool that's all i have to say about that yeah mad respect hey dll linus how's the relationship of long-term money per view compared between an LTT video, one that could be relevant at any time, and a tech or game-linked video where it really matters to watch right now? Viewership falls off a cliff for anything news-related. I don't even know how Google quite tells what's news-related and what's not, but they do. They can tell, and there are some ltt videos i mean we made a we made a video reacting to our most profitable videos uh way back when and almost all of them were ltt videos with a ton of views or ltt live stream archives that had monstrous watch time so

they made a ton of money from youtube premium. For something like TechLinked or GameLinked, basically we're just relying on whatever it gets within the first couple of weeks, and there's almost no long-term tail on any of it. If I were to take our entire content library and sort by, I can't sort by most revenue, so whatever, I guess. I won't be able to give you any additional information but it will be way less way less and i guess if you want to read this one you can i don't know no i don't think we're supposed to i

think um can you just flag that for someone to get in touch with uh sergio sergio i i've sent it to steven okay sergio we are acknowledging your message. Hey, thanks for the merch message, and I'm going to archive it so it doesn't show anywhere. Cool. I think Adam asks if I have any issues with games crashing on the RG Ally. I really haven't,

but I haven't played a huge variety of games on mine, so my experience may not mirror your own and james asks if we have any insider news on steam deck b button sticking issues no i do not i've still been on my ally it's uh the the the better performance has kept me but there are definitely games i'd rather play on the better screen um i'm just not playing any of them right now um hey thanks christopher appreciate you showing that don't agree but hey your message is going to come up in the scrolly thing and that's it we will see you again next week same bad time same bad channel how did this last for three and a half hours we had like four topics

it just is what it is we reacted to our own video which i would be really interested to see the metrics on maybe we should do that more contentception bye there it is come on man say the line world's slowest bye got him oh wait we're not gonna be able to hear Dan we both took our headphones off

we're like uh wait we can't talk to Dan cause he's like you know there oh wow Bessie oh