The WAN Show - Apple FINALLY a Good Guy?? - WAN Show Aug 30, 2019

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And welcome to the WAN Show ladies and gentlemen we're a little bit late but at least we got the video done right? No, no we didn't. We didn't actually it was all for nothing really frustrated but the least that we can do is give you guys an update on what exactly it was that had us so gosh darn busy. We're finally doing it. Alex has been chasing me to make this video pretty much since he started. We are doing a thermoelectric cooled computer, but instead of doing it kind of the, like the janky way, well, to be clear, it's still janky, but it's probably the jankiest thing we've ever made be clear, it's still janky.

It's probably the jankiest thing we've ever made. But what it isn't is the stupid way of doing it. True, yeah. So it's janky, but it's like the right way, but also it... It's the right way to like do it from a Peltier perspective. But we have this like box that's filled with electronics that's going to have, it has AC power and like 600 watts going through it. And it's so sketchy.

Yeah, it's pretty sketchy. So we've got a great show for you guys today. Of course, the big headline is Apple allowing third parties to repair iPhones. So we'll get into that. We also want to talk about the, some serious nerd drama that's going on with global foundries issuing a lawsuit against

TSMC so these two chip fabs are going toe-to-toe and Finally AMD apparently agreed to pay out $35 per chip over their FX series marketing lawsuit. That is actually a pretty, actually all three of these have a ton of meat. So let's go ahead and get Doug into them after we remember for a change to roll that intro. Oh yeah. Brought to you by Savage Jerky, Private Internet Access,

and chrono.gg. All right. So it has been a pretty busy week. The first thing I saw on the chat there was people were like, where's Anthony? And you know what? That's pretty rude. I haven't been on WAN Show in a couple weeks, and if we just had Alex and Anthony doing it,

then I'd feel pretty left out. No, they meant instead of you. But actually, Anthony is really busy. So Alex and Anthony have both been working on really, really cool projects this week. So Alex has been doing the Peltier one that we just talked about. So it's like a 545-watt Peltier?

Yeah. Strapped directly to the top of the CPU. Unfortunately, we didn't quite get that one done, but at least you got further than Anthony with his. But his is really cool too. So this gets talked about sort of every once in a while, and then the new cycle passes and we all ignore it again. But I don't know if you even realize,

because you don't do our CPU reviews or really any of our legitimate actual cooler reviews. You're more like, okay, build the most overkill thing with 300 to 1,000 watts of cooling capacity and then whatever we hook up to it, it'll be cool enough. Don't worry about it. But the way that Intel and AMD report the TDP, so the thermal design power, I think it's thermal design power, whatever it is, thermal design parameter, can't remember.

The point is the amount of heat that their chip is going to output, the way that they calculate TDP is completely different. So right now, we have Ryzen 3rd Gen and Intel's, I guess they call it 9th Gen? Though I don't know that it is, strictly speaking, the 9th Gen. It all depends on how you calculate generations, because we've been on Skylake for a while now, according to my watch. Anyway, with their current products on both sides, the way that AMD handles it is they

basically, do you know all this or am I just talking to them? No, not really. Okay, cool. So the way that AMD handles it is whatever the maximum amount of heat that that chip could output, assuming that it's running full tilt, that's considered to be the TDP, under a reasonable load. So if I were to take my Ryzen 3700 whatever processor and I were to throw an egg on top of it,

I can assume that if that thing is rated at 105 watts, that I'm getting 105 watts of heat and it's going to take however long to cook my egg. Yeah. Pretty much. Because it will turbo as high as it possibly can within its power and its thermal restraints or constraints, excuse me. All right.

So on the Intel side of things, now Intel has an eight-core desktop processor, just like AMD does, the 9900K, and it's rated at a mere 95 watts. So given that 95-watt rating, that thing should be easy to cool, right? Yeah, sure. So here's the thing. Intel allows that chip to spike up to its max turbo,

and then what it expects it to do, what's within the Intel specification, Intel allows that chip to spike up to its max turbo, and then what it expects it to do, what's within the Intel specification, is for it to ratchet back down. So as the power consumption, and therefore the heat that it is outputting goes up, and as its temperature climbs, it's gonna ratchet that down until we meet this point,

that I think it's called P2. That is the TDP that they rate it for. So really what it's rated at is its base clock. So they're using TDP as a guideline for anyone who's producing a cooler that will satisfactorily cool it at base clock speeds without causing thermal throttling, which is different from not boosting. Now that's something you have a lot of experience with. Do you want to explain for the people out there,

what is the difference between thermal throttling and boosting? Because you see this in laptops all the time, right? Yeah, a good one to think of is like the Corsair 1. So in that, it's very small, and although a 9900K can boost to, I don't know, 4.8 or maybe like 4.5 all core, something like that, it only does like 3.6 if you hit it for an extended period of time. Whereas in something like the MSI Trident X, it hits 4, 4.3-ish for a continued amount of time because it's cooler. Right. So the point to clarify there is that neither of those products necessarily thermal throttled. They just boosted more or less.

And that MSI product is a great example of a customer of Intel's. thermal throttled. They just boosted more or less. And that MSI product is a great example of a customer of Intel's. So in this case it's MSI, but ASUS actually had a big scandal around this a while back. But a customer of Intel's basically designed the firmware of their motherboard

to operate the chip in a way that Intel doesn't necessarily intend for it to. So they intend for it to do it, but only for short periods of time. So there was that whole thing. Do you remember back when I think it was the 8700K? Was it that one or was it 7700K? I think it was 8700K. I think it was 8700K. When all the review sites had these completely different multi-threaded numbers for this chip, because some of them were using motherboards that used what's called, Asus calls it multi-core enhancement, which basically takes that elevated clock and then just holds it there indefinitely,

and others were behaving the way that Intel calls for them to behave, which is to boost up to it and then fall down. So anyway, back to our discussion of TDPs. The project that Anthony is working on involves taking, I believe it's a Ryzen 7 3700X? Yeah, I think so. I think that's what he's using. And then a 9900K, where the Ryzen 7 3700X

is rated at 105 watts TDP, and the 9900K is rated at 95 watts. So on paper, you as the, let's say the uneducated layperson consumer walking into a store, you look at these two products. One's got eight cores, the other one's got eight cores. Right? One of them is clocked at some clock speed

and then also it turbos to whatever because that's written on the box. The other clocked at some clock speed, and then also it turbos to whatever, because that's written on the box. The other one is at some clock speed, and it turbos or whatever. One of them, ooh, you know what? I don't want that extra 10 watts on my power bill all the time. One of them consumes less power and outputs less heat. My room gets really warm in the summer.

I think I'm going to go with that one that's 10 watts cooler. But since it's not an apples-to-apples comparison and the chips are behaving completely differently, we think that the way that that's being presented doesn't make a ton of sense. So do you know much about what Anthony's working on? Yeah, isn't it just like you take a liter or some amount, I don't know if it's exactly a liter of water, and you just set it on top in a vial

and see how long it takes for it to heat up. Yeah, basically. Just two thermal probes? Well, we actually don't even need thermal probes because we're not trying to get as granular as exactly what is the TDP because then we'd need this thermally isolated environment. We'd have to make sure we're not losing any of the CPU's heat

through the copper traces of the motherboard. Like it's not realistic. So what we're doing is we're taking an apples to apples to the greatest extent that we can comparison. So the same amount of water, and then we're putting a thermal dye inside the water and we're basically gonna go all right Whose dye turns I think it turns from white to black or something like that or black to white

So whose dye changes color first to see if Intel's lower TDP rating is Actually representative of the behavior of the CPU and we're gonna run the Intel one twice once at Intel's specified yes and we're gonna run the Intel one twice. Once at Intel's specified behavior, so we're gonna not run multi-core enhancement, and then one at the way that I think most enthusiasts immediately flip the switch on their CPUs in order to get it to run faster.

So I'm really excited about that one, but unfortunately we weren't able to get all the little details like how do we put vessels of water on top of our CPUs without spilling them all over the place securely while maintaining enough mounting pressure to have good thermal conductivity, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, minor details. We've actually got it all sorted out now,

but we didn't have enough time to get it shot this morning, which was when I had time to shoot. So stay tuned for that. People are asking where is Luke? Like legitimately where is Luke? He's down at PAX. Luke goes to PAX every year with his family and now that we actually don't cover PAX anymore he gets to spend it with his family again. There was a period of about four years there, five years I think, where Luke was still going to PAX and he'd like sneak away at night

and you know hang out with his family and friends and then be back at work in the morning, work in the show floor. I think that he wasn't always, he wasn't a fan. I'll say that. He was not a fan of that arrangement. I think he's pretty happy that he gets to just legitimately actually go attend PAX now. Although he's been pretty critical of it over the last couple of years and says that it just hasn't been what it used to be.

But that's okay. LTX is gonna step up. Well then again, at LTX, what did he accomplish? I think... Didn't he try to walk from one side to the other to get to something and

just didn't make it past the entrance? Yeah, I think it was something along those lines. He's too nice of a guy. Yeah, I think it was something along those lines. He's too nice of a guy. Oh, I have an Alex-specific question from John Y. Oh, he deleted it. Oh, it was deleted by Nightbot. What?

Oh, why was that deleted? Okay, John Y wants to know what happened to the Racer PC. I would also love to have a status update on the Racer PC. Not a whole lot's happened with it uh we've been doing a lot of other things like the tech coolers and just making videos that's about it okay yeah we do have some people that are going to make different parts for us i'm just not entirely sure who's making which part so singularity computers yeah i think they offered to do some blocks and stuff didn't they um i'm not totally sure okay well we'll not like make them do things

right now yeah we won't sign them up so yeah guys we do still intend to do it the good news is we have all the hardware so now it's just a matter of in good time, getting everything measured up, getting blocks produced, planning out the build. It is quite a bit more complicated to do, like, a showcase level of PC build on something that's running really old hardware that doesn't have a ton of support for it anymore. So give us time. we will do it yeah also the workshop is a workshop now there's been like this pretty large

period for the past couple months where we just couldn't really do projects because yeah everything was just in boxes over there so what all is actually hooked up over there laser cutter no okay that's covered in dust and router router is fully operational router's good mill um we got the tooling order done so it's fully operational minus having everything to cut things drill press drill press is good sander it's like not bolted down, but it's okay. Okay, so basically we're getting there. Yeah.

Okay. Lathe tooling arrived in the U.S., so we just need to pick it up. Great. So, guys, give us time. Give us time. All right, speaking of giving time, let's give you guys the thing that you came for in a reasonable amount of time.

See, I brought it around. Apple announces independent repair program. LinkBoy on the forum posted this, and the original source of the news is naturally Apple themselves. So let's see how Apple puts their spin on this. Apple offers customers even more options for safe reliable repair it's funny that they're branding third-party repair businesses as safe and reliable when for so long

the line was that they weren't new independent repair provider program expands genuine parts access to more repair businesses all right so let's go through sort of the key points here. They announced new repair program offering customers additional options for the most common out of warranty iPhone repairs. Apple will provide more independent repair businesses, large or small, with the same genuine parts, tools, training, repair manuals, and diagnostics

as its Apple authorized service providers or AASPs. This is a quote. So when a repair is needed, a customer should have the confidence that the repair is done right. We believe the safest and most reliable repair is one handled by a trained technician using genuine parts that have been properly engineered and rigorously tested. So here's what I want to know. Why didn't Apple want the kiosk in the mall to have decent parts before? Because it's not like the kiosk in the mall was ever going to go away.

So at the end of the day, your customer, Apple, your customer was going to go there and they were going to have either a really great experience by sheer blind luck because you guys certainly didn't put any effort into making that experience any smoother so you got lucky if they had a good time or that customer was going to have a bad time and you know whose customer that is? Yours. So, I mean, they get applause. They just don't get like, they get slow applause for finally, yeah, I like that.

Give up the golf clap. Okay, I don't, see, I fall into this trap sometimes where when a company finally does the right thing. You still get mad. I still get mad because they did the wrong thing for so long and it's all this like pent up frustration. But I shouldn't, I shouldn't get mad about this. With that said, there's, okay should I shouldn't get mad about the good parts of this because there's still parts of this that I can get legitimately mad about so there's a couple things here the program is only

going to allow independent repair shops to offer out of warranty service for iPhones such as display battery replacements there is no mention of in warranty repairs or other devices so mr. Rossman over there is not going to be getting Diagnostic manuals for MacBook pros anytime soon as far as we can tell And this is another really important clear point of clarification Apple has not announced along with this program any kind of along with this program any kind of um uh any kind of process for general consumers to gain access to genuine parts to conduct their own repairs so yeah i think it's the out of warranty service that gets me the most because where this probably means the most to a lot of people is like out in

the boonies where like buddy knows something about tech but doesn't have the right tools and so they could just give them the right tools because like i don't know if you're living in labrador you're not going to get to the genius Store. You speak as though you know this from experience. I don't know if people know where you're from. Nova Scotia? Yeah, which isn't quite Labrador, but from our perspective, it's been... They only got an Apple Store there pretty recently.

Yeah. And so it's the sort of thing where you can go to lots of places to get your stuff fixed, but, like, I don't know, most of the time it's where, like, you can go to lots of places to get your stuff fixed. But, like, I don't know, most of the time it's just, like, a high school kid that has some spudgers. So I'm going to play devil's advocate here, and I'm going to say I totally get it. If you're not a fully certified Apple-authorized repair center, I don't see them offering you a warranty on the thing that was opened up by some random person. That is fair. So I get that side of it, but I'm still really frustrated that as a consumer, so like from a, from a just right to repair, right to repair doesn't mean right for some specific person to repair. It means that if I have the know-how and the inclination to

Work on upgrade or repair my own devices. I should have access to the same manuals the same Tools the same diagnostic utilities that anyone else would because why not? They're gonna be out there anyway not They're gonna be out there anyway Especially now that they're opening up this program like if they imagine for a second that they're just gonna certify a bunch of like Random mom-and-pop shops in the Philippines and these manuals aren't gonna be all over torrent sites everywhere like come on come on Just formalize what's already happening so that we don't have this like

black market of Apple PCB schematics. I'm serious. Oh, yeah. It's that crazy. Like, honestly speaking, if you want, like, a brand new Apple product, you either have to get stolen blueprints for it. If you want to figure out out like you know what every what every sense pin is connected to or I mean you'd have to I don't know you'd have to rip apart a working device and like x-ray the thing and try and try and reverse engineer it basically Apple's pretty I mean that's fun yeah so anyway anyway anyway in Apple's defense again let's get positive again for a

second here the certification process is simple and free of charge but meeting the requirements which is basically that you have to have an apple certified technician who can report perform the repairs does not guarantee acceptance into the program, and Apple reserves the right to reject any application without telling you why. Wait, should we do something on this? Should we try to apply to be one? Yeah, we should have, like, three or four people just apply and see how many get in. I think Anthony used to have his Apple-certified crap.

Hmm. I wonder if we could, like, get him, like, get him, what's the word I'm looking for? Like, get his certifications refreshed and try and see if Linus Media Group Incorporated can become an Apple, what are they calling it again? Apple independent... Authorized service? No, no, no. We wouldn't become an A well what are they calling it again uh apple independent authorized service no no no we wouldn't become an asp for sure but if we could just be like an

iphone an iphone service whatever get like our get our iphone manuals and stuff that would be cool we'll just set up shop in like unit 105 or whatever. People can just pull up. We do have a pretty legit like rework area. I know, right? Yeah. Not that Apple is letting shops do anything like that anyway. You're basically just doing screen repairs and battery replacements. But maybe this is part of the lashback around Apple's whole stupid thing where they were taking even first-party batteries and giving you like a battery service notification in iOS. Do you hear about this? No, I didn't. Okay, so pretty much a recent change

made it so that if you swap your battery, even if you take two identical iPhones and just swap the batteries between them, so all Apple first-party parts, they would give you a notification in iOS that says your battery may require servicing because they're tying the serial number of the phone to a serial number in the battery. Oh, that's weird. They're doing that so that it's easy to tell if a phone was not battery swapped by an Apple-authorized party because Apple-authorized parties are able to reprogram the chip on the battery so that it'll match the phone so you won't get that error so they got a ton of backlash for it because it's like yo guys yeah for serious business at this point what are you even doing

like it's bad enough you make it so hard to swap the battery now I've gone I've done all that work the stupid error come on so it looks like they're just expanding the network of people who can do it legitimately so that people who repair things themselves still have to deal with this crap. Yeah. Anyway, so this follows Apple's recent expansion of its authorized service network into every Best Buy store in the U.S., which actually tripled the number of U.S. ASP locations compared to three years ago, which is great, but the U.S. really isn't the biggest problem.

It's other places like Labradoodle or wherever you're from. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Look, look, look. I'm not going to be one of those elitist, you know, Torontonians or whatever they call themselves. Vancouver, right? I'm aware that there are other parts of Canada, okay? I just don't care. I'm sorry.

Sorry, we have this. Okay. For those of you who are not Canadian, we have this, like, inferiority complex over on the western side of the country because we like were settled later like we didn't even get a railroad until I don't know 80 years ago or something like that I'm kidding it was longer than that but it doesn't matter the point is we have like this inferiority complex because our government and the vast majority of our population are all thousands of

kilometers away and sometimes you sometimes the decisions that they make for the direction of the company, the country, don't really have a lot to do with the concerns of people over here. So we just feel kind of ignored. It's like, oh, you know, what's Canada's baseball team? Toronto, whatever they're called. It's a bird or something. You know, what's Canada's basketball team?

I don't know, some other bird. Oh, it's like... I know, I know. It's a dinosaur raptor, not a bird raptor. But the Blue Jays aren't a dinosaur. Yes, it is. It isn't. Shut up.

Yes, it is. I've had enough of your crap. Well, birds are dinosaurs. Okay, you can you can make that argument but that's not for a that's a different podcast you go you go talk about that on some other podcast um how do we get on this uh all right the point was that the u.s is not the main concern most people in the u.s compared to rural parts of, you know, Russia or something, have relatively easy access to an AASP. And I'm not saying it's perfect everywhere.

I'm just saying that right now the program is only launched in the U.S. with plans to expand to other countries. So it's clearly not a complete solution. But it is a step in the right direction. I just always question Apple's motives when they do stuff like this. I just always question Apple's motives when they do stuff like this Is it a step in the right direction as part of a greater movement towards a more? consumer Focused attitude or is it a step in the right direction to appease people and make them shut up While they continue to march can completely the opposite direction as a more general rule for their business

Behind the scenes which one do you think are they getting more consumer friendly yes but are they doing it out of the goodness of their hearts probably both you think so wow like it's not like entirely out of the goodness of their hearts but you know it's the kind of thing where it's a bit of both what are what are people saying john wick says quebec feels ignored don't complain dude quebec does not get ignored quebec complains so loudly that like we can't be heard over their noise and I'm not saying Quebec doesn't have legitimate grievances I'm just saying that to say that Quebec gets ignored is um a very Quebecois thing to say uh what can I do for you

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Yep, that seems like the kind of thing that people would play a lot and then get completely consumed by all right in other news this week global foundries has issued a lawsuit against tsmc and if you guys don't already know how high drama this whole situation is i'm gonna skip straight to tsmC's response to, here it is, let me see, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Oh, man. Oh, yeah, that's ruthless. I don't think, where is it? Where is it in here? There. Ah, yes. Okay. This is great. Oh, no, that's not even it. Oh. Oh, that's hilarious.

Okay, no, that was from a tech analyst. Significant damages. You know what? I don't think it's in my notes. So do you want to start walking people through what's going on here while I find this quote? It's fantastic. So I don't really know the details, but basically Global Foundries... That's fine.

You just read the thing and pretend you know. Global Foundries has filed lawsuits against taiwan semiconductor manufacturing company in the u.s and germany over alleged infringement on 16 patents the company said they're looking to halt the import of processors maybe the technology and is seeking to or and is seeking significant damages from tsmc based on tsmc's unlawful use of GFs for priority technology in the tens of billions of dollars of sales. Basically, it'd be really bad because NVIDIA, Apple, doesn't AMD also use them? Pretty much everyone that makes fast things now uses TSMC.

Global Foundries fell a little bit behind, and when you fall a little bit behind in semiconductor manufacture, you're in trouble. Yeah, you're basically done. So what even happens if this goes through? Do we have the Titan RTX and it's, like, suddenly gold because you can't get any more or something? Realistically, like, this kind of thing comes out all the time

where, you know, I mean, back when Apple and Samsung were going toe-to-toe over the original Galaxy S Vibrant and how it looks just like an iPhone and all that kind of stuff. And, you know, they'll seek sales injunctions or whatever the case may be, like sales bans. The reality is that it usually takes so long to be processed that any product that would be affected by it is long gone from store shelves

before anything actually happens. And this is more, it ends up a lot of the time being more about posturing than anything else. Now, the unfortunate thing about this situation is if it just covers anything made by TSMC, yeah, it could actually affect your ability to buy an NVIDIA graphics card in any countries that will uphold this kind of a ruling.

It could create, like, a black market for graphics cards that are, like, manufactured in Taiwan. Sorry, the chips. So the chips are manufactured in Taiwan. The cards are assembled in China. And then they're, like, you know, shipped through India or something and then, like, snuck into port in the U.S. or whatever the case may be. It's U.S. and Germany, so maybe we can just get a bunch,

and we're pretty close to the border. Not an actual business strategy. Dang it. I was, uh, someone found the quote in the thread on our forum, but I'm having a really, really hard time finding it. Oh, TSMC, because, dang it. I hate this. I'm so mad.

In a nutshell, they basically said, yeah, we're going to defend ourselves, and we think it would probably be a good idea if they would just focus on making better products than resorting to this kind of you know patent infringement lawsuit crap in a nutshell oh maybe it was the other thread no that was just page two dang it all right whatever right, whatever. I give up. So I guess that's pretty much all we have to say about that. Yeah, that would be bad. Yeah, good luck, Global Foundries.

Seems like they must be pretty desperate. So in August 2018, they ceased development of their 7 nanometer process to focus on being a specialty foundry, which is, I I guess another way of saying that you can't compete at the bleeding edge so you're just going to go out there and find customers that don't need their products manufactured on the bleeding edge and like that's fine there's plenty of customers for that out there it's just it's like going for venture capital or like getting venture capital and being like, you know, I just kind of want the loan for my parents. Yeah.

Ouch. All right. What else we got here? Oh, this is a big one. So this was posted by rainbow dash on the forum. Not the real rainbow dash. Of course. Uh, and the original article here is from the register.co.uk.

But AMD has agreed to pay purchasers of its FX bulldozer processors a total of $12.1 million to settle a four-year false advertising lawsuit that works out to about $35 a chip. Oh, man, I remember this great... $25 a chip. Oh man, I remember this great Intel used to have some really edgy advertising back when they had this like we are unassailable swagger going on So this was a little bit beforehand, let me see if I can find the image. Oh, that's a shame. I just remember they sent us this advertising collateral back when I was working at NCIX.

Back when AMD was advertising their triple cores, which were basically failed quad cores that had one of the cores disabled, and what was cool was that in many cases they could be re-enabled. And Intel sent over this ad collateral that said, like, more is not necessarily better or something like that. And it had, like, a, like, beefy-looking chopper motorcycle that was blue.

And then, like, a green or red. I forget whether AMD had switched over to red yet at that point, but a tricycle next to it. And I was like, oh, you guys, you so edgy. but a tricycle next to it. And I was like, oh, you guys, you so edgy. Anyway, the whole core marketing for AMD ended up getting them into trouble because they went from the FX.

Oh man, I'm trying to remember. Sorry, it was the Phenom 1100T was their flagship six core processor. And that was based on their steamroller. I'm sorry, I'm a little bit i'm a little bit hazy on my eight year old code names but the 1100t was an unlocked six core processor phenom black edition or something along those lines and it had um from like a from like a traditional sense so it had both floating point and integer units for each of those six cores.

Then AMD launched the world's first eight core desktop processor. The FX, I think it was 8150 was the first one. Do you remember any of this? All right, don't worry about it. FX 8150. But the problem with the FX 8150 was that it didn't have, in the same definition that AMD had previously used, it didn't have eight full cores.

So I think it only had eight integer units, but then only four floating point units or something like that. Yeah. Is that right? Yeah, that's right. And crucially, a single floating point units or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Is that right? Yeah, that's right. And crucially, a single floating point unit. Yep, yep. So what that meant was that for certain workloads, certain workloads, it did actually behave kind of like an eight-core processor.

But for other ones, it only had the horses under the hood of a quad-core processor, and they were advertising it as an eight-core processor, when the entire rest of the industry, which is AMD at every point previously, though to be clear, if we go back far enough, CPUs used to have things like cache off-board, so let's ignore that era. But everyone, including AMD and, of course, Intel, had sort of decided that a CPU core needed to have both a floating point and an integer unit.

So in January this year, a California judge rejected AMD's claim that a significant majority of people understood the term core the same way it did and Based on the results of a poll of the register readers it appears most C cores in the same way as the litigants So 47% said a core should be fully independent Whereas a mere 28% were rabid AMD fanboys and said that it can share execution engines so this has led to both AMD and the plaintiff's lawyers. Oh, this is great. This appears to be some editorial from the register there.

They said, the insanity that is class action lawsuits has led both AMD and the plaintiff's lawyers to argue to the judge that 12.1 million is a fair amount, despite the fact that consumers paid an additional 60 million in premiums for their eight core processors. I don't know. This is honestly kind of a tough one for me because I really do see it both ways. On the one hand, yeah, it was kind of BS. But on the other hand is it really any more bs than you know nvidia calling their gpus 2000 core processors like they call them cuda cores but they're not cores in the same way that

a cpu core is a core like get real oh yeah you have to read the fine print on this stuff it's highly technical stuff. For me, I thought that it was, like, pretty greasy. Like, I know when I learned that it was, like, only half actual cores. 1.5 cores. Yeah. Because, like, a lot of stuff uses FPU. Like, I don't know.

I guess also kind of, like, not many things use 8 cores even now, so I don't know how much of a difference it would have made, but it just, I don't know. It just doesn't sit right with me. You know what? Here's what I want to know. Let's create a straw poll here. Straw poll.me.

I wanna hear from you guys, but here's the trick. I only wanna hear from you guys if you actually bought, that means real money, when it was new. So I'm not talking like your buddy was getting rid of his FX when he upgraded to something better or whatever. I'm talking you bought brand new from a store a bulldozer processor an FX 8-core processor and I want to know do you feel ripped off? No, not maybe do you feel ripped off because really when you when you calculate the damage of a class-action lawsuit

It's more about the money so Or it's more about that the it's about the false advertising. So would you have made a different decision? Would you have bought something else? Because here's the thing, core advertising or boost clock speeds or whatever the case, actually, yeah, the TDP discussion that we had earlier is another perfect example of just, if you just read the box of a CPU, knowing that this is a highly technical product, you kind of got what was coming to you. Any computer purchase should come down to benchmarks anyway, not down to the specs, because the specs are ultimately pretty much meaningless. All right, I'm gonna go ahead

and dump this in the YouTube chat. I actually don't know where to find the live video on our channel here. Oh, there it is. Wow, that was easy. Neat. Yeah. I would say, framed like that, I am a no.

Like, I don't think that it would change how I thought about it. So you would have just done your research and made a decision based on the raw performance of the thing. Yeah. Right. And, like, for a lot of things, do you think it really makes a difference? Like, probably not? I don't know.

Like, as an educated consumer, no, it made no difference to me whatsoever how AMD wanted to advertise their stupid thing. I knew that it performed like hot garbage, literally hot garbage. And so I was not interested in it. But I guess like sometimes I can be kind of out of touch in that sense. You know, it's funny. I had someone call me out of touch, but I think it was, I think this was not the way that they meant it because we talked a little while about how user benchmark, I think it's called.

Oh yes. How I had never heard of that before. Like you're so out of touch. Must be nice to just have all that stuff on hand so you can test it yourself. I'm like, no, I didn't always have all that. And I still didn't resort to, like, what's that other stupid site,

like GPU check or something like that, where like, you know, anytime you Google, like 1080 Ti versus 2080ti it's stupid garbage these garbage town websites that just like count cuda course basically and say which one is better like that's not how you research hardware i didn't have to have all this stuff to be able to figure out how things performed relative to each other you you just go out, you look for independent reviews of them, you find numbers that match, and then you can use that to compare something

that was never directly compared. So if one review has a direct comparison between a 3700X and a 9900K, and then another review has a comparison between a 3700X and a 9400... It's not that hard. It's not that hard. You have to be willing to put a little bit of work into it. The point is, you can compare a 9900K to a 9400 as long as the thing

that they have in common sort of agrees. It's pretty close. Yeah, but you're thinking of someone that gets that, not the sort of person that's like, oh, like, how does a GTX 760 compare to, I don't know, a 1050? Like, you just type that in?

No, no, no. No, it's like, it's not very difficult for, like, you or me to, like, figure how it all matches up. Yeah, because you just have to go find reviews of, like, the 960 and then also the 1060 and you can bridge the gap. Yeah, it's not all that difficult. But if the first search result that comes up is like, oh, this one right here is however many percent faster than the other one, you're just going to click that. You're going to use the number and you're going to be like, okay, yeah.

All right, we've got our results. I am so sorry, Floatplane. We were already really late for the show and I didn't have time to sign in, so I didn't check your chat, and I didn't post it there. I feel terrible. You guys are great. Speaking of chats, what's his name? Robert Mayhell, I'm sorry that I said that wrong,

sent us the TSMC quote in Super Chats. Oh, where is it? It's right here. Oh, this is great. Thank you, Robert. We are disappointed to see a foundry peer resort to meritless lawsuits instead of competing in the marketplace with technology.

Oh, dang! TSMC is proud of its technology leadership, manufacturing excellence, and unwavering commitment to customers. So basically, they just said, if it's too hot in the kitchen, then get your ass out. Yeah, sorry, you're not good. Yeah, sorry, not sorry.

So this is interesting, it split, I wouldn't say down the middle, but it's a lot more even than I would have thought. So 40% of people would have bought something else with just shy of 60% saying, no, they would have bought exactly the same thing because they probably did all the same research that we would normally do and knew exactly

what it was that they were buying. I don't know, it's a funny thing because from my perspective, I don't really care that much of about like, Asus was in here earlier this week talking about how they were the first to have a 120 Hertz laptop. And I was like, okay. But I would never buy something because of a manufacturer

like being like, look how cool we are. What do I care about that? How many FPS do I get in my game? Shut up about that other stuff So No, I just like to find that kind of thing they're confusing All right, so we should see if there's any anything else that we wanted to talk about real quick Oh, yeah, this is something that just sort of bothered me. I don't know why they did it. Um This was posted by JC Helios on the forum.

The original article is from 9to5 Google. I don't know. This just really annoyed me. I have no idea why they did it. This happened to me very recently. I was just trying to find a wallpaper for a secondary PC.

I went into Google Images and the search by exact size or larger than where you can like type in the numbers it's just gone. So I don't know that's about it but I'm just really annoyed because why remove it? Maybe have it like a bit harder to get to if you don't want it around but I don't see why you'd remove it. Using Google's advanced image search feature you can still filter by sizes larger than certain megapixel counts, but the ability to filter by exact size isn't available there.

Bing, by contrast, apparently does still offer the exact size image filtering. It's too bad that it is a steaming pile of garbage. Yeah. So now it's time for the Super Chats. Hey Chats, you super.

Note says, Mighty Car Mods Car PC collab. We would love to. They're not exactly located close to here. The stuff that they work on is big. The stuff that we work on is big. Time consuming. That is a fairly major project. We're not saying no.

We're just saying not yet. Human Gilly says, Linus, when are you gonna come to australia i would love to come to australia there we go yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but i'm not going there to work gamer 55 sends a dollar thank you rest is rest i too god i don't know what that says keep up the great work, everyone. Well, thank you. Alexander says, new batch of stealth hoodies when? Next week.

Tony says, Linus is beautiful. You knew I was going to read that. I wasn't going to gloss over that one. Ungrim says, love the earrings. Don't lie to me. People are just... Tommy Gunn, are you going to revive channel Super Fun soon? We want to. We haven't had time yet.

It is on the roadmap. Linus, you're back. Is there an update on floatplane merch? Not yet. We will do floatplane merch eventually. Joshua says, any plan to look at VIA's weird x86 chips? I didn't know they were making new x86 chips. VIA new CPU? Youpu you gotta be kidding me okay this is like september last year hmm oh i think that we tried to get one

and then didn't. But I don't know. I wasn't involved in that, so. Interesting. Yeah, we could try again. Yeah, it looks like it's like a weird Chinese processor or something. A lot of times that stuff's really hard to get out of China, but we did get our hands on the honor tv so uh oh yeah

that should give you guys some idea how our sourcing in china game is going owen says hi apologies for this but hit you up on d forum by dm okay good to know uh sport says hi from switzerland just a fellow vancouverite creating swiss ltd fans here all All right, cool. Linus, when did you get so handsome? It's a filter. Did you hear about that? No. The old lady in China who was using a filter to be like a cam girl. Oh, this is awesome.

I don't know if they talked about this on Wanshow. Filter... You mean on TechLinked? China. Cam girl. I don't know. I'm just putting in every keyword that could that i think might help me bring this up uh this young vloggers beauty filter glitched midstream revealing a 58 year old woman that is apparently a real-time filter that she was applying to her streams. That's actually pretty impressive.

It's really impressive. Yeah. You got, like, the face shaping going on there, like, nose shaping, eye shaping. Like, has anyone found that this is fake news? I haven't found any evidence to suggest that it is fake. But I also... Oh, wait. No, wow, this is BBC.

Okay, yeah, it's probably fine. And I didn't find any other pictures, because it would be nice to have more than just one still. Like a video of the stream might be kind of cool. But yeah, saw that. Thought that was pretty fascinating. I don't remember how we got on that subject. Right, yeah, that's what I'm doing.

What else we got here? I bought tickets for last LTX but couldn't go. Still glad I could contribute. Can't wait to go next year. See you there, Connor. The Novarin. Do gym shorts at the LTT store. I actually totally want to do workout clothes. Uh, I want, basically I want to stop paying for my badminton clothes.

That's my secret agenda. So if you guys could all buy a bunch of it so that I don't have to buy it. Well, I mean, I buy it. I buy all of it, but like, I don't know. Whatever. Point is. It feels different. I want to, yeah, it feels, it feels different.

It feels different when instead of like going to a store to buy this ram shirt uh lloyd or nick just walks into my office and gives me a stack of ram shirts and it's like hey you got to promote this now and i'm like cool i love this thing um so yes i paid for it in fact i paid more than you guys because i actually like hired employees to create it but um yeah you got samples those are not cheap doesn't matter yeah actually did you guys know like how much freaking samples cost it'll be anywhere from like 3x to 30x what the the finished product will be for stuff that's as simple as like a mouse pad or whatever actually mouse pads are a bad example because the samples are pretty cheap for that because it's mostly like a digital printing process now but um did I just give something away?

Yeah, I think so. We're doing a mouse pad. Anyway, Mike says, do you know anything about fixing yourself? Oh yeah, I do. Just go see Dr. Pollack. I'm not reading your username, but it says I would,

I was wondering if you'd be willing to do an episode on the history of PC sound and sound hardware. Didn't we kind of do that? That's really interesting. I don't think so. Not to the degree of depth that this individual is probably hoping for, because there is a lot that went on there. Sound used to be a much, much more demanding thing

before Microsoft basically took the whole thing and put it in software with Windows Vista. I feel like Lazy Game Reviews has a good video on that. Probably. Cooper says, hey guys been a fan since I had a barely functional 5850 now I'm rocking a watercooled 2080ti. What 2000's era component do you miss the most? None of them? There were some cool cases back then. You probably wouldn't remember any of this stuff, but man, check out this thing. This is the Thermaltake Zazer series.

These were some flashy pants friggin' computer cases, guys. Let's check this shiz out. What else we got here? Oh man, look at this blue one. I think the Zazer 3 was, oh, is this the 3? No, I wanted the 2. Oh yeah, that's the one I was looking for. Look at this thing, it's beautiful.

Aluminum construction, this was like a premium case back then. This was like gamer. Love it. Look at these builds from back then. That's like a show build, you know? Did it have cathodes in it? Oh, probably. Like this was like in advertising.

No one would even dare show that on like builds.gg or whatever these days. It's great What else we got? That's lexicon says spending money on super chat that won't get read and I'm pretty sure you lied $2 is usually the the free one But I read it. So now you're a double liar Joey says can you lower shipping costs for Canadians? They are as low as they are. Those are our shipping costs.

We don't make profit on the shipping. So the only way for us to lower our shipping costs is to do more volume through Canada Post, basically. Adam says, been watching LTT since NCIX. Love to see the changes over the years. Keep up the good work. Andrew says, I used your code to buy shrouds coffee at Madrid His coffee is pretty good actually yeah, but he used our code. Okay. You know what he used our code you thank you

But not to buy our coffee It's okay. I'm over it. Yeah, I Dalsim says I would love an armored swack it for a motorbike. Okay, that would be so much friggin work Do you know how hard it was to do the swack it as it is i love it and it was totally worth it but like no get some goalie gear and put it outside of it yeah why not oh yeah sure it's that simple thank you um jackson i'm 13 years old i love your show just wanted to say hey hey back where are the like buttons on floatplane luke's working on it all right so hold on oh yeah okay this was robert mail thank you i just saw that finally now uh a broken tv says i wrote a stage play alex you can't do that it'll ruin the company

linus you misunderstand i am the company i think we could work that line into it I understand, I am the company. I think we could work that line into it. If we did a stage play, sure. Oh, where'd it go? It just moved. Someone said new intro when? Not sure, I may just kill the intro. Yeah.

Maybe we just won't have an intro anymore. Cause like people who drop out during the intro are watch time that we don't have. Maybe we just don't need to, maybe we don't need to like brand ourselves to death with that said the amount of branding that we've done not just for the channel but also for the company i think has contributed to um people's awareness of us in general so i'm not sure what the right answer is yeah uh the phoenix i just got my swacket, Stealth Hoodie, Processor Shirt, Hat, and Underwear.

It is all awesome and worth every penny. Thank you, Phoenix. Um, McRingleBorat. Can't wait for the LTT sandals. Can't wait to be the first to resell them on Goat. What is Goat? I'm, like, afraid to Google this. Goat.

Is it, like, something to do with shoes? Goat shoes. Goat.com, the safest way to buy. Sorry, what is this? Oh no, I licked my fingers. Oh, gross, shop hands. Oh, gross. Okay. Why did I do that?

I deserve it for eating on stream. All right, what the heck is this? So is it just like- Is it just a shoe store? I think it's selling like hard to get shoes maybe. Like how much do those cost? 125 bucks. That seems pretty reasonable.

Or used for 120. Oh, okay, so this is a used marketplace then. Okay. So you wanna resell them on GOAT. Wow. Okay, I mean, everybody has to have goals and that's important to maintain your focus. So I commend you for it.

to maintain your focus. So I commend you for it. Okay. I think that's pretty much all we can do for now. Thank you guys so much for tuning in. We'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. So long. Oh

I can't believe we didn't finish the pelts even here today. Yeah, I'm so disappointed. I wanted to know if it was gonna work I still want to know if it's gonna work. Yeah, I'm so concerned. It's gonna catch on fire