The WAN Show - Apple Lied! - WAN Show March 18, 2022

Episode Date: March 21, 2022

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and I think it would be fair to say that I was quite upset by both of them. Rage-inducing? But for one of them, I was upset in a positive way. Oh, whoa. That's right. We're also going to be talking about the million dollar unboxing. What else we got?

That sounds cool. I have no idea what that is. Xbox Cloud Gaming Beta on Steam Deck. I should have seen this coming, but didn't. I don't know why, but I didn't see it coming. Also, Dr. Disrespect is developing an FPS game

that will give fans the chance to win an opportunity to buy an NFT. That's not a news topic. That's just... Let's jump right into the first topic. Obviously, we talked previously on the WAN show in, well, reasonable, enough depth. You guys, you watch the Apple event, you know what's going on. Two of the big products that Apple announced are the Mac Studio lineup featuring their new up to M1 Ultra chip,

which is actually pretty cool. The technology behind it, the way that they're taking two separate gpus on two separate dyes and fabricing them together is something that has been conceptualized in the past but has not actually been done apple did it i mean they leapfrogged the supposed gpu specialists when they do the whole freaking soc like it's it's a feat but what was really frustrating about the mac studio was that apple was just like oh you want to upgrade it after the fact well you know what we were super cool about that with the mac pro but for the mac studio you can just go and take a giant fart, I guess.

Because there's no upgradability. Except maybe there is. Anthony opened it up, which is relatively straightforward. You just pry off the little rubber ring on the bottom, and there's some screws. The screws could have easily been somewhere else, so you don't have to destroy the adhesive on the rubber ring thanks apple but no heaven forbid we have any screws or

or engineer a little locking mechanism for the ring that would have been might come undone technology like that simply doesn't exist oh of course not. I walked in, Anthony was opening up the Mac studio, and I was like, hey, what's that thing? And he picks it up, he's like, it's the SSD. Not only can the SSD be removed and replaced, but there's actually an extra slot. An additional. There's an additional one. Not just like wired wired in but actually the hardware there right well no no like there's a new yeah there's a slot i mean why

would they put a slot there if it's not connected to anything now crazy here we have no way to confirm this yet but here is my worst case scenario. My best case scenario, okay, is that Apple will have these slots in there and users could conceivably upgrade their storage in the future without resorting to external Thunderbolt storage. That's my best case scenario. We'll have companies like OWC releasing third-party SSDs that you can upgrade your Mac with or whatever the case may be. That's my best case scenario. You want to hear my worst case scenario? I think I can assume. One of the things I noticed about the SSD module is that it doesn't appear to have any DRAM or any controller on it.

Now there are DRAM-less SSDs these days that you can achieve reasonable performance with and Apple does have DRAM right on package on the M1 series so conceivably it could be using a small carved out amount of its own DRAM to fulfill the same function kind of actually I kind of doubt that one to be perfectly honest with you. But it is conceivable that they could be doing that. And we also know that the M1 SoC, the M1 Series SoCs, contain SSD controllers. So it is my worst case doomsday scenario guess

that Apple may actually be locking the capacity through firmware with the excuse being encryption and security right which is a commonplace excuse in spite of the fact that clearly it has not one but two ssd slots back to why it might have two, why would you have two if it's not upgradable? Surely Apple would only ever put in one, unless these are just dumb. They're just dumb NAND packages that the SSD controller interfaces with, and if there was any kind of change, and a proper handshake didn't occur between the controller and the packages it would just not work right that is my worst case scenario what do you think it is

oh you had to pick one and not like pick one that you want it to be but what one do you like suspect is going on i think that unless there is enough consumer backlash like we saw with what was the thing they backtracked on uh oh uh locking locking the screens locking the screens to oh yeah yeah yeah locking the screen serial numbers i think unless there's enough backlash, and frankly, I doubt the Mac audience, particularly for this product. What's it start at? Like four grand or something like that?

Or $2,800 for the non-ultra one? I suspect that the audience for this product simply isn't loud enough and numerous enough to register on Apple's upset-o-meter compared to the iPhone audience, right? When the iPhone audience is mad about something as mainstream as not being able to get a freaking screen replacement at the mall, that amount of noise is going to be up here. Mac Studio users, okay? Then we've got, okay, Mac users, studio studio level mac users ones that might actually care about upgrading their own stuff i mean we're we're below the level of the table by that point in

comparison to the percentage of people and it's a and it's a small percentage of people that if they're buying this product their price is probably not their like absolute number one concern you know so they'll probably just pay to upgrade to something else well it's a very it's very business focused product so i'm i don't the truth is i don't know i just don't know are you guys testing it are you guys going to try to figure it out uh i don't think we have two mac studios coming but that would be a cool way to test it just plug a second one in and see what happens i'll have to to, I'll have to check. Maybe we do have two coming. If so, that's absolutely a video that we'd love to do next week. I'm, I'm frustrated. And the thing that frustrates me the most is that you can tell that Apple understands the value of modular components that are easily

replaceable when it benefits them. Supp stuff right yeah well that's exactly it apple does lock their boards right their main boards to an amount of ram now because they went and they put the dram on package right so that's not on die that means you've got your soc die and then on the same like like substrate on the same little green pc part, on that same package, they've got their DRAM chips, right? And there are benefits to having the DRAM as close as possible to the processor. We see this on GPUs, for example. If you've got too many chips, right? Rather than put some of them out here farther, you'll see them put them in between the PCIe slot and the GPU die itself. They want all of them as close as possible. There are absolutely benefits in terms

of performance for that. But supply chain-wise, the more variations you want to have of your product, oh, we've got these different processors and these different ram amounts and these different storage amounts all of a sudden this becomes an exponentially multiplying number of different skews you have to maintain if it's all fully integrated so apple does have to do that with the different cpu skews whether you want max or ultra or whatever else yeah as well as ram amounts and then ssds oh man if you had to have one of these and one of these and one of these, one of these and one of these and one of these, it becomes a nightmare, right? So, the SSDs

are understandably modular. But then Apple stops understanding why that's important when it isn't about their supply chain management. When it's about keeping parts out of landfills, or it's about convenience when you're deploying a fleet of machines and you want to quickly be able to have your technicians perform maintenance on something and get it back out into the field. They just develop this kind of amnes that Apple engineers things to be worse.

They go, they put actual real work and money into making something worse. And it just makes me angry. It should, probably. Yeah, I'm entirely on board with that. Anyone who spends time and energy and money to make the world crappier is just not worthy of my respect. There's a lot of that, unfortunately.

That's just the way it's going to be. Yeah. We're not going to... I don't accept it. I'm frustrating. So. Moving on. I don't have any counterpoints.

I hate that kind of stuff. So I disagree with you. I haven't watched Marquez's video, but a lot of people in float plane chat are talking about it. Something about giving them a shout out for environmentally friendly packaging but then saying oh but you can't upgrade it at all yeah I mean it's a very mixed message isn't it the impact of a little bit of plastic compared to the impact of e-waste is not even close I think the environmental friendly packaging is very easy very uh what do you say that high visibility win yeah and the non-upgrade ability is is a lot under there yeah not a lot of people

are necessarily going to notice it but the impact is actually higher yeah um which just really sucks. So, yeah. Some people in the chat are saying this take isn't very hot. Well, I'm feeling hot. Yeah, I think the anger and the frustration is high, but I think a lot of people agree with you. I am now. And then so the best part of this is that I was on my way to the million dollar unboxing.

Yeah, okay. I walked through the Mac Studio bit and I was on my way to the Million Dollar Unboxing. Yeah, okay. And I walked through the Mac Studio bit, and I was like, what? And then I was walking back from the Million Dollar Unboxing to the WAN show, and Anthony had moved on to the new studio display. And Anthony pulls me over, and these are things that I haven't really looked at in detail yet.

I have been sort of unplugged for the last little while. I haven't really looked at in detail yet. I have been sort of unplugged for the last little while. I haven't been on social media a ton. And I, so I wasn't ready for this, but he, he, he pulls me over and he goes, yeah, what do you, what do you think? And I'm just, I'm like kind of looking at him like, I don't know, it looks kind of like, kind of like an iMac, but like, you know, thicker and Mac Mac here, iMac here. Um, kind of like an iMac, but thicker and iMac-ier. And he goes, oh, yeah, well, what about the power cable? And I'm like, oh, yeah, okay.

And so I'm like, oh, yeah, it's nicely braided. And I look at where it goes into the back of the machine. I'm like, yeah, the tolerances on the plastic molding are pretty nice. I go pull it out. It's not coming out. I'm like, oh, is there a locking mechanism or something? He's like, nope. I pull a little harder. The power cord is fixed. The six-foot power cord

I don't know. I thought this one was good. is permanently attached to a thousand-plus dollar product. i thought you said you liked this one i thought it was one bad one one good no no i was happy about the potential modularity of the mac studio oh the studio display that's an atrocity mean, hard wiring a monitor? It's been a long time since I've had to do a cable repair.

Are you actually stupid? No, for serious, though. No, that's really brutal. I don't get it at all. They even engineered a MagSafe power have like for the m1 iMac they have some of the best cables in the industry lightning was a fantastic there's no way that this monitor draws more power than an entire f***ing computer oh man and then it's so expensive and the amount of money that it would have saved to make it like mag safe even like nothing compared to the total cost that's amazing

oh that's great i just can't i can't have you ever seen another hardwired monitor yes um i have seen old crts um i don't think they were hardwired for power but i've seen i believe the vga cable hardwired to a display before interesting and it was stupid then yeah and it's really stupid now because that was a long time ago is there is there any reason whatsoever like is it compared to using like a regular c c13 or whatever the standard power cable is there could have been depth concerns plugging it in but apple already had shallower cables for their imax they have magsafe and what's super cool about no i guess that wouldn't really benefit the um the studio display but a reason to do it other than, other than just actually hating their own customers. I don't, I can't think of one because why would you, why would you put someone, I mean,

in the, you think they're trying to make it like actively dangerous to not get Apple care aside from the, aside from the technological advances of the last 30 years right yeah there are other reasons that you would think someone in that cappuccino sipping company would have come up with the the thought when they looked at this product and gone like they're based in silicon freaking valley right this is the center of the universe for alt work like yeah like standing desks and freaking like fancy ergonomics okay and they built a monitor that could potentially be incompatible with a standing desk who's building out a fancy office with like with ape caveman that don't move up and down in Silicon Valley they're gonna they're gonna start selling like desk mounting power bars.

Nobody at Apple thought of this. I have to be the one. Oh, man. Oh, that's great. Sabin 1001 says you can get an extension cable, Linus. Yeah, I could You know what hold on I'm gonna go get an extension cable that's gonna look great

With my new studio display One moment please This is amazing I actually had no idea this was a thing He mentioned that he's been off social media I haven't really been Which like you know Maybe I should've Yeah Yeah off social media i haven't really been uh which like you know maybe i should have yeah yeah

this goes perfectly with my setup wow you know what's really in these days in trendy you know web 3.0 workspaces thick cords Big thick extension cables This one has a lock on it Space age technology Unbelievable This should really just be part of the decor here One moment please Just gonna

This is what we're into now This is Peak trendy We're gonna have that there otherwise how could we possibly run our monitors okay ben fan fantastic oh what's worse anthony's here anthony every time i've talked to you today i've ended up angry so can you can you just stop? Okay, come on over here.

That one's not on. Yeah, you'll have to come stand with me. What's up, Anthony? I looked it up. Apparently, MacRumors reported on this, and they deleted the article. Are you serious? If you search for Apple Studio Display

removable power cable, that's like the first thing that shows up in Google for me. Click on it, it's gone. Go to my screen. Why? Mac rumors right here. PSA, Studio Power Display cable is non-removable. Click.

Page not found. Woo! power display cable is non-removable click page not found so that potentially indicates that they heard from apple because i can't think of any other reason that they would pull it down unless they're like uncertain unless they don't have one yet because i don't think mac rumors officially engages with apple like i don't think they actually see them devices or anything like that because they report on leaks. Is my understanding. I could be wrong about that. I haven't looked deeply into that. I sanity checked just to be sure that they didn't remove it because it was wrong.

I do not see a way to remove that cable. There is no button, no nothing. The cable is just there we got it yeah floatplane chat thanks Tony so just a second here let's read the article together shall we

this is on web.archive.org Apple Studio Display features a built in non-removable power cable on the back that even when attempted to be removed with force does not come out despite the pro display xdr featuring a removable power cable british youtuber olyer demonstrated the unique quirk about apple's 1600 starting price display in his review apple studio display also features non-interchangeable stands meaning customers must choose which stand including a base mount adapter they want upon checkout, as it cannot be changed at a later date.

It was made available for pre-order last week. So this is it. It's just a simple... Yeah, so they don't have one, though, is the answer to that. So they were making an article about a YouTube video. The only reason I can think of that they might pull it down is that Apple is angry about this coverage But I wouldn't think Mac rumors would respond to that. So why don't know and then if Apple's Upset about this coverage. Does that truly mean that they truly didn't realize this was a problem?

You gotta wonder like do you have kind of have to wonder? how far up in an ivory tower an executive would have to be to not realize like immediately upon seeing this product that this is a game-breaking issue that needs to be engineered that a solution needs to be engineered for i don't know there's uh there's. There's a tweet from AtReckless, also known as... This is Verge, right? Yeah, editor-in-chief at The Verge saying that he unplugged his display and he has a picture of it. But is this... There's a difference, right? There was the... What was it? The more expensive one had a removable cable, right?

So is it possible that this is that uh wait what hold on is anthony still here can you grab him yeah can we bring the display yeah let's do it Can we bring the display? Yeah, let's do it. MacRumors reported what they had seen. It was an early sample.

Apple directly contacted them, said it was incorrect and wouldn't be that way. Okay. Wow. The plot thickens. The plot thickens a lot. Yeah. Because I pulled pretty hard. I don't even really...

I'm looking at this thing and I don't even recognize this and I don't see how that seamlessly goes in there. We've got lots of questions in floatplane chat. Nishloka says, why would MacRumors outright delete the article rather than just issuing a correction? That is pretty weird.

For sure. Uh-huh. Very interesting. Is it a twist and pull ooh interesting question is it okay what does Nyle say he has

I mean it's I think that power cable looks the same like the really nice braiding on it looks the same. He says he has the studio display. Okay. Okay. Hmm.

Okay. Apple Studio Display, which is not it yeah well uh it looks like they're gonna take a minute to get over here no i don't have mac rumors in my phone list i can't give them a call now unfortunately uh sorry if anyone from mac rumors wants to reach out i'd be happy to add you to my to my phone book but it could be like the homePod cable where it's not meant to be removed, but can. Okay, yeah. Actually, yeah.

I didn't even think about the HomePod. Apple actually has a recent precedent for a move like this. It's just so ridiculous. Okay, I'm calmed down a fair bit now. It still should have been MagSafe, obviously. Are you prepared to potentially break the monitor trying to pull it out? Yeah. Okay. I'm calmed down a fair bit now. It still should have been mag safe, obviously. Are you prepared to potentially break the monitor trying to pull it out? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah, I'm ready. All right. We're going to go for it. That was something I was a little worried about. I'm trying to see the shading in the photo is a little difficult, but it looks like it might be a turn. Sup, Jake Belevance.

Our producer's heading over here with the monitor. Okay. You ready, Luke? Yeah. Okay. Here, you ready, Luke? Yeah. Okay. Here, let me give you some space. Okay. You want to do the honors?

Me? Yeah. I can break more products. Hold on. Let me just... Here we go. Okay, so you guys can see it here. Oh, okay.

Okay, that's why the picture looked weird, because there's this oval hole in the stand. Okay, so you guys can see it here. Oh, okay, okay. That's why the picture looked weird because there's this oval hole in the stand. Okay, yeah, so the picture's taken through the stand. Taken through the stand because the stand is not removable because, you know. Okay, Luke's going for it. It doesn't feel good.

Can I turn it? Like, can I grab it? Yeah, you can grab it. There's a, here, there's just a little mouse pad here that you can use to kind of rest it on so you don't scratch it or anything. I mean, scratching it might be the least of our concerns at this point.

Maybe he's just super jacked? You could try twisting it Like try unscrewing it maybe The stand being in the way Is super annoying Holy crap I heard like the sound Of things bending um and it did not come out now something i feel like pulling much harder is gonna like is that any excuses apple might

have about ours being an engineering sample or whatever are would be obvious bull spit because apple doesn't seat us anything and this is a retail unit that we purchased it's hard to turn it because people say twisting will break the pins how about try push it in push it in first maybe push it in and twist i don't there's no pushing in hold on hold on hold on support.apple.com. Important handling information for Apple Studio Display. Note. The power cord is not removable. The power cord is not removable.

Well then, what is... Yeah, and like you can mess... I don't understand. Maybe he has the XDR? Or maybe he just has... Maybe he genuinely has like a weird unit or maybe he's just confused do you want to give it a shot I can hold it it really

doesn't feel like it's going anywhere though like okay yeah I can I'll take a shot at it sure I mean should we just rip it off that will i mean we haven't uh we haven't reviewed this yet maybe wait for then um so uncomfortable it's really hard with the stand there oh god okay got him i mean that looks like the picture okay uh it pulled out i just had to give it a good two-hander. And I felt the frame flexing while you did that, to be clear. Like, this is not...

It's clearly not designed for that to happen. Do you want to put it back in and see if it still works? Here. Huh. It's like, um... It's like um it's like a coil or a spring yeah there's like a metal spring that goes into this little

groove here yeah it's not glued it's not glued nope nope it's just a really really tight fit like this is probably put in by machine and you can actually see on the plastic where the screws sorry i can't really show it to you guys very well but

you can see on the plastic where the screws just like mangled the kind it's kind of like a flange here and again i felt the whole frame the whole like metal frame of the monitor flex and strain under the pole like that was not a uh and then what's really stupid is that putting it back in is gonna suck it's keyed so it only goes in one way probably need to press from here yeah i got it oh no plugging it in is easy not too bad getting it out is hard to try getting it out again, or should we test it? But if Apple's official support documents specifically say the power cord is not removable, then I guess their intention would not be to provide longer alternatives? Yeah.

Okay, let's see if it comes out easier the second time. That's what i was thinking i mean a little yes so is this not designed to be plugged and unplugged like because you said there was the wear that happened on it right like it might actually become less reliable. Well, no, I can see they're spring-loaded inside the female receptacles. So I would imagine it's fine. Uh-huh. Oh, man.

Do you want to plug it in, see if it works? Yeah, I'm pretty sure it'll probably work. me too, but I think we should prove it. I Kind of want you to plug it in with the extension cable just as like a yeah. Yeah turns on no problem, okay So stupid So I guess our the title of this video is more true than we thought. Yeah. Why? Other than hating your customers, why?

Can you imagine being the engineering team designed to work on this? That's the thing you guys have to remember. Every time you see anything in the world a team or an individual or a team of people worked on it they set out with a goal and they spent time and energy the actual human life was invested to make this worse to be consumer to to be anti-consumer. And to make sure that every power cable. Remember when Apple stood up on their soapbox and talked about how iPhones wouldn't come with lightning cables anymore

because of concern about the environmental impact? Remember when they told the EU they couldn't change over from lightning to USB-C on the iPhone because of concerns about all the cables that would end up in the landfill? This f***ing cable plugs into nothing but this display.

And when this display is obsolete, it will go straight to the landfill. Good job. Good consistency, Apple. Brutal. Morons. Super unstable.

Thanks, Bell. Get this out of my sight. Please. I don't mean to be rude to you. Thanks, man. That was like, the second time it was clearly less effort that had to go into it before it came out but it was still like i still felt the whole monitor strain like all right that's rough Let's talk about something way cooler. Okay.

The bar for that's pretty low, but million dollar unboxing. Oh, the float plane team worked on a new feature for LTT store, allowing us to embed videos. I suspect this wasn't one that was, you know, like a huge,

um, no, a huge amount of work but basically we now have two pages one for the screwdriver one for the backpack where we show the full details of these products these are just in unlisted videos on YouTube and allow you to sign up for an email notification for when these products become available. That's right. They're finally just about here. So just because I know some people from Shopify watch this, just including the video where the images normally go is actually just supported by Shopify.

Cool. All right. Excellent. So we want to get an idea of whether people are more into the black or the black and orange color. There's still changes that we can make to which plastics we shoot at this stage. I am extremely excited for people to get a chance to really see these products in detail. We haven't really shown them close up yet. Is this Andy's B-roll?

I think Andy might have done these shots. If that's true, then freaking awesome. Anyway, you can pick a color and sign up to get an email when they're available. We still do not do, I just don't believe in taking your money for pre-orders. The reason for that is that there are still potentially things that can go wrong. And if we're going to say don't pre-order anything, then we need to, I think we need to walk that walk and not solicit you guys to pre-order um although it certainly would have removed some financial burden from this project love the bit storage man it's freaking awesome uh let's get a closer we'll get a closer look at the orange the orange top here absolutely quality plastics and molding.

I think the part of the video where I talk about that's a little bit later, but we show how it's basically impossible to find the mold seam on the handle bit. You can if the light's right. Like you can see it if you know what you're looking for. But the average person would not notice. It's just a really high quality mold. Right. Man, that's it right there is it glorious

or what do you have one yet no oh man oh man yes it's expensive but there's a lot of things about it that were expensive there was a lot of tooling costs every one of these components is custom we had to create molds for it oh yeah here, here's a little tip, Apple. You know, there are situations where there might be a functionality reason that you have to create something semi-proprietary. These bits are 20 millimeter, which is not a typical size for screwdriver bits

in a multi-bit screwdriver. The reason we did it this way is that the less steel you have between the shaft magnet and the screw the stronger the magnetic pull it's got it's super super strong magnet makes sense and it has shorter tips so the bits will i had it happen once now in like six months of using this driver where the bit comes out instead of the bit coming out of the screw like after you've screwed something in it's really good every other multi-bit screwdriver i've six months of using this driver where the bit comes out instead of the bit coming out of the screw. Like after you've screwed something in,

it's really good. Every other multi-bit screwdriver I've ever owned. It's like kind of a problem. It's really annoying. Yeah. It's really annoying. And it, you can pick up easily pick up screws and then, you know,

reposition them when you're building a computer. Obviously it's built for building PCs, right? So we went with these 20 millimeter bits. The other reason for them was that we wanted the shaft to have a lower profile. And to be clear, just because there might be some, you can use other bits. I'm getting to that. Okay.

Yeah. We wanted the shaft to have a lower profile than Megapro's other products, but we didn't want to give up the ability to store 12 bits in the driver handle. Now we could have just not used this mechanism we could have just gone like snap on and just had a screw off top and you just dump all the bits inside yeah but that we we really liked this functionality it has a really nice feel to it it's almost like a fidget toy yeah and we wanted 12 bits we wanted this profile and this is kind of an afterthought the additional magnetism but it was something I cared about a lot.

I asked engineering, I was like, look, specifically Kyle I talked to about this, I want the strongest possible magnet in there, the biggest diameter, and that was before we even talked about any of this. So we ended up with 12 millimeter bits, which meant that we had to re-engineer something in order to maintain compatibility with standard bits because we care. We had to redo the mold for this in here. It used to be a circle. So it actually sat in between the bottom and top bit storage.

And the reason for that was to act as kind of a guide to make sure that they would stay in their own lane, right? Okay, yeah. We turned it into what we call the Ninja Star. And the reason for that is that it allows you to put a full length normal bit in here up to 40 whatever millimeters, 40 something. So it allows you to put a larger bit in here if you're willing to only accept six and it'll just clip in on both the top and bottom pieces here so you can engineer for improved compatibility or you can engineer for worse compatibility there are actually two ways

to do this hex dot says robertson bits but no torques dot dot dot we are going to have bit packs available at launch that will allow you to build any bit loadout you could possibly want we're going to have pretty much everything for it and they will be very reasonably priced because we know that the screwdriver is already a significant outlay for you guys uh yeah so we're super excited about people being able to have their own custom 12-bit loadout exactly the way that they like it as for the backpack yeah this one i'm super excited about we know it's really expensive we are well aware of that this is a really high quality bag. I am absolutely jazzed for you guys to see this thing. Let's see if Fandy has done any of his gorgeous B-roll on this one.

4K. Get that 4K. Oh, yes. You're going to have to watch the video. This one's like nine minutes long to get through all the details of what makes this thing special. But it's just carrying capacity, build quality. If you're interested in this product, like that's exactly what I would want. Yep.

I just kind of, basically it's a what's in my bag video because I've been using our latest sample of it for, I guess not that long for this version of it, but I use every version of it. I just daily drive it so that I can bring feedback back to the team.

Hey, this zipper pull is a little bit difficult. Or, you know, I really found I didn't end up using this pocket. If it was easier to reach, that would be way better. This zipper should go the other way. Just little things like that that I try and get back to them about as we have made our way through

the many, many revisions of this product orange inside that's for you luke yeah i know you're a fan i actually just love that so much so yeah it's 249.99 us it's a lot of money but we believe that it's competitive with bags that are a lot more expensive than that yeah yeah so is that so what did that have something to do with a million dollar unboxing or is that just its own nope that was just a more more better topic that i would rather talk about than apple just being mean and rude to their customers yeah fair enough all right i uh i there's something wrong with my laptop i cannot open any additional pages oh cool but but should we should we do like like three to five merch messages real quick yeah we should, shoot. I did not reload the page. I guess I don't need to.

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I'm finishing a basement soon. One room will be an office slash gaming room and one the main TV kids area. Any tips on a decently priced sound system for the play area any general suggestions for the office gaming room man wow that's a really open-ended question decently priced sound system i mean really i would say the most decently priced sound system you're going to find is second hand speakers are an area of technology where there has absolutely been advancement especially on the very high end and i would say on the low end there's actually been a fair bit of advancement like like 50 in ears are a lot better today than they were when i was in high school

but in the mid range yeah there's been advancement absolutely But if you find a really nice pair of speakers from like 10 years ago, they're still really nice speakers. So I would say that if it's the, if it's going in like the TV slash kids area, I would either go, you know, simplicity, right? The last thing you want is kids tripping over a cable or whatever else. And I would get would get like knocking over a speaker stand yeah i would get a decent sound bar sound

bars are an area that have improved a lot in the last bit i'm really impressed with the sonos arc although it's very expensive it sounds amazing for a sound bar i like hated sound bars when they first came to market they were awful they're great now sony has a super cool product we did a sponsored video so take this for what it is they're not now sony has a super cool product we did a sponsored video so take this for what it is they're not sponsoring anything about what i'm saying right now um but sony did a sony sponsored a video on their what's it called hta9 or something like that but it's it's a soundbar that has no bar you just put four speakers around the room and they do a calibration with each other and you can kind of put them anywhere you don't have to so if you have one like kind of a little to the left and this one kind of way out to the right.

And then these two are kind of at the back. They just do some DSP funkery and try to compensate for the size and shape of the room. So if you want surround, that's a really cool way to go. If you're just thinking like music, like ambient music or putting on kids songs um picking up an old sono samp uh but one that is still compatible getting the oldest one that's compatible with the s2 version of the app or is it called s2 i can't remember but the the newer replaced version of the app is another little pro tip i got some for cheap on ebay i did a video about that when i put in ceiling speakers in my house you can find that one what else can i what else can i really say at this point i don't know your dad's old speaker equipment is probably

still good yeah that's a that's a really good way to go man don't buy a receiver new if you don't need the latest you know hdmi version or whatever else like if you just if you just want amplification you can get super high-end receivers from many years ago that have just balling amplifiers in them but don't support the latest atmos and if you're just trying to drive like a nice pair of bookshelves man freaking awesome i still run linus's old one uh yeah yeah i know you do there you go that's i guess what i have to say about that uh any general suggestions for the office gaming room make sure you put in enough ethernet never never don't put in enough ethernet that's one thing i'll say matthew s been watching since the 10 series launch looking to start my own gpu repair company sometime soon what advice would you have for starting a small tech shop?

Love the show. Good question. Equipment, no matter how expensive it is, is not expensive. Staff is expensive. Like, do you know how much a Luke costs to employ costs to employ for 10 years you know i'm serious though compared to any piece of equipment that i've been using for the last 10 years luke is wow anything i've been using for the last 10 years so like the most expensive most expensive luke is a solid two orders of magnitude more obviously luke has improved you know he's aged like fine wine whereas equipment ages more like milk right yeah a little worse

but it's something to understand is that adding headcount to a business adds to your monthly expenses and adding equipment adds to your monthly expenses. And adding equipment adds to your capabilities without adding ongoing monthly expenses. That is, unless it's software and the company that you're engaging with has figured out software as a service. That's a whole other separate conversation. But that's something that, you know,

I think any small business owner or startup should absolutely keep in mind. You know, don't overdo your space. Think space efficient, right? Use your vertical space. Don't spread out horizontally. That's another thing. Getting a space that's too big

is absolutely something that you should avoid as a small business. You can always move uh what else could we and while while equipment and machines and whatever has maintenance cost uh employees generally expect raises but at the same time if you don't have anyone helping you if something happens to you even if it's temporary so you get knocked down with uh with long covid or whatever right and you get knocked down with long COVID or whatever, right? And you get knocked out for two weeks to a month.

If you have customer orders in the shop, if you have GPUs, because you're trying to fix GPUs, if you have GPUs in the shop and you are unable to fix them and you don't have anyone working with you that can fix them, that's going to be really rough for your company.

And be creative. Don't be afraid to pick up stuff secondhand on Craigslist or Facebook Marketplace. A drawer is a perfect way to store GPUs for things that are in progress. And cardboard is a great way to build a custom divider system for a drawer that you can slot them into vertically so that you can fit more. Just lots of little things. them into vertically so that you can fit more. Just lots of little things. Be scrappy, be creative, don't overdo it right out of the gate, let it grow, let it become sustainable.

Those are all things that can give you a much better shot at success. Let's do one more and then we'll do our next topic. Dustin asks, I was curious if you guys saw Corridor Crew's AI voice video last week. What are your thoughts on this tech? Any plans to automate sponsor spots? I didn't see their video,

but I did see, I was chatting with Tom Scott about a tool that he's been using that actually allows you to edit according to a transcript of the video. And if you make a small mistake, use AI voice recognition to fix it oh wow yeah to just fix it in post wow that's nuts which is really cool um oh that's awesome we don't have any plans to automate our sponsor spots or anything like that but i am i am absolutely into machine learning, accelerated video and audio techniques these days. Like you guys saw the upscaling video

that we uploaded earlier this week, probably where we took the first NCIX Tech Tips video and we tried to upscale it to 4K. Turns out there just weren't enough pixels. It ended up being nightmare fuel, but. Yeah. With something that's like 720p source man the results are kind of amazing you don't have to be a hundred person you know digital art studio these days to

generate those kinds of results it's just it's really cool let's move on to our next topic shall we yeah you want to talk about a million dollar unboxing i do what is it okay we have been working on this project for over a year and the genesis was kyoxia formerly toshiba okay. Kioxia Flash Memory and SSDs. Kioxia wanting to sponsor some kind of cool project. And I just, I threw out an absolute long shot, long shot idea. Because one of the things that was more commercial slash enterprise storage-y that we did

that was really successful was the Petabyte project, right? Where we deployed a Petabyte of storage across two 45-drive Storinators. Problem is, Kioxia doesn't make hard drives. Kioxia makes SSDs. So I was like, man, you know what we should do we should do a server with a petabyte of flash and they were like okay but here's the thing you can't just put a petabyte worth of ssds yeah in a server yeah right you can't just you can't just buy like nvme jbods and just stack more ssds you would the by the time you installed that many ssds

you'd be getting a small fraction yeah of the maximum performance because no cpu exists with enough pcie lanes and enough compute to run that kind of data through it like so we it required it required partnership with amd who provided a total of 512 epic CPU cores across all of the CPUs, 512 cores, okay? The whole thing has literally terabytes of RAM, terabytes of RAM, okay? We've got eight NVIDIA A100s. So those are, what are they, like 400 watts each or something like that? They're AI accelerators. A total of seven servers, a petabyte of flash, obviously a custom power solution because the whole thing sucks like 10,000 watts. We didn't have anything to plug it into. We didn't have anything to plug it into.

And Jake and I unboxed it. And the idea is that we should be able to get at least close to the maximum theoretical performance of our flash array. That's insane. By architecting it this way. Super Micro was involved. Micron was involved. I already mentioned NVIDIA. Infinite Cables had to build a custom cable for us

just to power it, to plug into the only 30-amp, 240-volt plugs that we have for our machinery in the shop. It's wild. Oh, Infinite Cables also built us a fiber optic cable to run from the shop to our server room so we could actually like edit off of it. Obviously, we're not even going to touch

the capabilities of this thing. We're going to have to do like some AI benchmarks and stuff like that. It's going to be a whole series of videos, but I am so excited. Gone to our info play chat was like, Linus causes the singularity. Yeah, I'm so excited this

will be beyond a shadow of a doubt the most powerful hardware that i have ever touched and probably will touch for the next three to five years it's insane uh i'm pretty sure it's raw but someone's asking one petabyte usable or raw uh i don't know yet i guess we'll find out wow yeah i'm not actually sure it's been a long time since the last call i was on jake has done most of the coordination on this project okay oh man yeah i'm i'm absolutely jacked though jacked uh bean 710 asks do you get to keep it are you kidding me jacked uh bean 710 asks do you get to keep it are you kidding me kioxia might leave us with some drives but beyond that no no no i mean that'd be awesome but no oh man the uh the switch that uh sorry not melanoVIDIA, they acquired them. The switch that NVIDIA sent over, network switch,

does multiple terabits per second of switching. Terabits! Multiple terabits! That's pretty wild. Do you know how long you're going to be able to keep it for? I don't know.

There's no firm end date for when we absolutely have to box everything back up and send it back. It takes up a lot of space. They sent over an entire rack to house the thing. Well, right? I mean, it makes sense. It's just nuts.

1U of switching. We've got six U's of 1U dual socket EPYC servers. Then we have a 4U that contains two more epic servers, two terabytes of RAM, the eight A100s. Like this thing is knocking futs. And I'm so jazzed. I'm so jazzed. You guys are going to love it.

Whole series of videos. So the first video is us just basically uncrating the thing. You wouldn't believe how much the compute unit weighs i could not believe it it weighs as much it weighs like it's full of hard drives okay but it's just full of heat sinks yeah i was gonna say just metal it's just it is metal af i love it that's's awesome. Charlie says, that system might be an awesome contribution to an educational institution.

Guys, I'm not, it's not mine. It's not his to give away. It is not mine. And I don't think these companies are probably interested in just handing that hardware over for free to anyone. I suspect they'll end up being trade show models so that they're able to do demos

and stuff like that. this stuff doesn't just like it's it's actually i believe the sticker price is somewhere in the neighborhood of a million dollars for this for this setup it's utterly insane i don't know if it's actually a million dollars because we don't know. There's no retail price for any of this stuff. That's fair. Honestly, there being no retail price probably makes me assume that it's even more. Because anytime you get custom stuff done, it's super expensive. I mean, the engineering that went into making this whole thing run at that kind of speed.

Like I said, we could have easily just put NVMe SSDs into an enclosure. And just had it not work very well. Yeah. Yeah. And had it limp along at, you know, a hundred gigabytes a second or whatever, you know,

which sounds cool, which is a lot, but comparatively to what it should be able to do. It's like, exactly. This is going to do it's like exactly this is going to do way more minus you must buy it don't send it back if i spent a million dollars on a petabyte of ssd storage that consumes up to 10,000 watts, which obviously we have to pay for power for,

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Like, this topic, this is all the notes on this, guys. Apple lied and is dumb. But just, I just, I've used up so much of the energy that I had for the show today. We're just going to have to chill. Just on that. Yeah, we got to chill. We got to chill for a little bit. I think the remaining topics are pretty chill.

Okay. You want to start us off on something cool? Xbox Cloud Gaming Beta on Steam Deck. Yeah. Microsoft announced a beta version of Microsoft Edge for the Steam Deck. I'm always trying to say Stream Deck. I know. It will enable Xbox Cloud Gaming with Xbox Game Pass Ultimate

on the device. That's huge. Microsoft uploaded comprehensive directions showing users how they can install Microsoft Edge and enable, of course you have to install freaking Edge, and enable Xbox Cloud Gaming. You didn't expect them to be totally naughty. Right? Just just like come on

I have a Linux device do I really need Edge to follow me onto this Linux device Come on there are quite a few Steps to configure it including some Command line typing wow And shortcut making to put it on the front screen Related Slightly earlier this week oh right

Yeah Google product director Greg Hartel Announced that the steam on chrome os alpha launched despite it not being ready for testing and also despite it probably not working on most chrome os devices but sure it's coming yeah and there's a discussion topic here to talk about uh does cloud gaming on the Steam Deck actually make it more compelling? Is Microsoft's aggressive push to put Xbox cloud gaming everywhere going to pay off, especially when the Steam Deck is kind of sold on the hardware that can run games locally? Well, the Steam Deck, in my opinion, while Valve does focus on running games locally,

on running games locally in my for my experience using it it's such a compelling device for local gaming network gaming and cloud gaming that all the above yeah i think it's just all of the above yeah like steam i can never remember what it used to be called steam in home streaming so that's what i'm going to call it works great on the deck deck. Like, great. The H.264, I don't know if it's H.264 or H.265, actually, I should check that. But whatever their hardware decode is on that custom chip from AMD is great. The latency is great. You know, I played Halo Infinite on it, competitive shooter, competitive shooter and besides you know crappy joystick controls yeah yeah it was great um and you know the same can be said of something like xbox cloud gaming yeah you're adding latency absolutely but cloud gaming will continue to

improve and it could easily get to the point where we're only talking another couple of frames of latency and it could be it could be better than playing on an old flat panel tv honestly and and i think to the core question does cloud gaming make the steam deck more compelling maybe not to you as an individual but i guarantee you it does for someone for the mainstream absolutely one thing that i really hope is that this doesn't become an excuse for companies that have cloud gaming offers to not push to make their games more compatible with being natively played on Linux, aka SteamOS mobile gaming. That would really frustrate me if this ends up becoming a reason that gaming on Linux doesn't experience its big, big renaissance.

Yeah, that would be genuinely very frustrating. So I hope that's not very frustrating so i hope that's not the case but if that's not the case then yeah why not being able to do more stuff on it sounds great i don't see any negative towards that i'm not a huge fan of that type of stuff i don't like subscription services for games i like owning my individual games um i might play a game on launch and it's pretty fun and then i get distracted by something else or busy or whatever. And then I can't play again for another year. And I don't want to buy another subscription to be able to play that game that I already paid a subscription to be able to play in the first place.

Like I find that very frustrating. So yeah, it's not a huge thing for me personally, but I like that it's an option because I mean, I know people that use cloud gaming services. Yeah. Especially if you use Game Pass. Game Pass is an amazing value. It is. I can't say it enough. It's an amazing value.

Yep. Just wait until, you know, wait a few more years, right? Netflix used to be an amazing value. All your content in one place with one low fee. Now Netflix is like over 20 Canadian dollars and doesn't include content from anyone else. And some of the other providers are starting to bundle together their services it's becoming a cable package again yep yeah it's brutal but um yeah i don't know options options are cool why don't have more options uh

we can probably skip that topic because it's just lame which one the doctor disrespect one yeah oh we're talking about that okay yeah first i want to talk about amd confirms no overclocking support on the ryzen 7 5800 x3d that's right amd's hotly anticipated 5800 x3d the first production cpu with 3d v cache technology now has a release date and a dark portent of things to come. This is definitely written by Anthony. Yes, it was. It's essentially a 5800X, 8-core, 16 threads, but with lower core clocks and

a mind-boggling 96 megabytes of level 3 cache, up from just 32. AMD says the extra cache is meant to improve performance with discrete gpus although it's not clear how it will interact with the recently released direct storage api and future titles that will take advantage of it oh by the way we have a video coming about that that we just shot today anthony researched uh and shot it so he'll be hosting it before we get to doom

and gloom i want to insert one note that's further on in the doc that says amd promises that this is a one-time limitation for this specific skew and it will be overcome by uh the time future 3d vcache cpus launch so this is i mean it kind of feels like this product is like uh is uh like a stopgap solution yes like a frankenstein just okay we wanted we wanted something to respond to the 12900k and this is going to be it it's going to be available for 450 us dollars on 420 nice and amd says it will be the new world's fastest gaming cpu but it will also be the first consumer ryzen chip that won't be overclockable which again is a little rough but so the reason for this is that wow you can't even change the voltage nope the reason for this is that the cache needs a strict voltage limit of 1.35 volts interesting infinity fabric and memory overclocking is still

supported so you could push your memory speed super hard very interesting which does matter i mean the reality of it is traditional overclocking on ryzen is kind of a dead meme anyway like it doesn't do much amd already is redlining these chips out of the box depending on the most part depending on how you want to define it traditional overclocking is just dead in general yeah intel is redlining things pretty hard as well i mean at least they still have all the levers and dials and you can turn them if you want but it might result in instability and like a feat that cannot be overcome by by mere mortal coolers amd also announced a number of other cpus to go alongside the 5800x3d and these are going to make things really

interesting in the budget range because we've got everything from four cores four core four gigahertz boost uh zen 2 chips for 99 to zen 3 six a $199 that 5600 is looking real spicy actually 4600g with $154 for Zen 2 cores six of them and Vega 7 graphics that's pretty interesting too I really wish they were RDNA 2 but I guess we'll have to wait a little longer for that discussion question is overclocking basically dead? Yeah, we made our way there. Thanks, Anthony, though. And yeah, kind of.

Should we get a Seuss or someone to make us say, yes, this will fry your CPU BIOS so we can overclock it anyway. How long before a modified BIOS does just this? Well, based on that AMD had to request that motherboard manufacturers remove overclocking capabilities for the CPU. Clearly they existed. They were there. And caused some kind of reliability issue.

So, I mean, the question that that sort of raises for me is, is this CPU going to be very reliable? Because increasing the voltage makes it die sooner. because increasing the voltage makes it die sooner. But does it have the same kind of reliability we've come to expect from AMD processors? I wonder. I feel like probably. If you could get your hands on a motherboard without the limitations,

it would be kind of fun to do like a, we're going to stream until this thing is dead stream. Oh, wow. That would be kind of hilarious. I have another impromptu topic of conversation okay our fiber over the air internet yeah connection slash well it's really it's a network connection because they also access our internal infrastructure over it but the fiber over the air solution that we set up for creator warehouse went down but i was still right because the reason it went down had nothing to do with ubiquity's dishes and everything to do with the fact that um jake scrounged together sfp to rj45 adapters like modules that were not technically specced for quite the distance

of our runs oh and so it flaked out so we replaced it with ones that were specced for the right distance and it has been back up and running smoothly okay sweet yeah so i man i'm so stoked on not having to just buy a new internet connection for that place for no reason and the fact that it's faster and the fact that just with zero pain whatsoever they have complete access to our internal infrastructure like for their computers they just plugged them in over there plugged them into the wall and they might as well have been in the same building so cool having like local networking across multiple buildings without being a campus is just like super sick that's awesome i know right yeah we're gonna do it for the lab too yeah let's put another dish on the roof yeah boys we're gonna have like we're gonna have like

eight dishes on the roof of the main building at some point. And then, oh man, oh man. When we have like a bigger office someday, we'll have to make sure that it has line of sight to this one, right? Put like a big tower on top of it, right? You're going to end up having buildings that look like research centers. Yeah, we'll have multiple hops

because we'll have all the storage at the main one and we'll just have like offsite satellite storage. It's going to be amazing. Nice. Under parking lot, dark fiber win. We'll have all the storage at the main one and we'll just have like offsite satellite storage. No, it's going to be amazing. Nice. Under parking lot, dark fiber. When,

uh, okay. So I don't know if we actually talked about it in the rooftop air fiber video, but I think conceivably it could be possible to stealth bury an armored fiber cable between here and the lab and do like 25 gig from here to there you probably could yeah you could probably get away with that if you like showed doing that that might be you know not great but you could probably get away with it yeah yeah That'd be sweet. Yeah.

So, um. It doesn't really harm or bother anybody. The hard part is getting from the green belt to that building. Oh, cause you're on the. Yeah. We're like buried in the middle of a building. But if we could somehow stealthily get it up to the roof. Oh, you totally could.

You still could. I have an idea. You totally could. Oh, really? to the roof. Oh, you totally could. You still could. I have an idea. You totally could. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah, no, you definitely could. Just tell me, because it's going to be in the video anyway. So we're going to get caught.

Do you know how they repair road lines? You could asphalt over it. OK, I thought of that. But getting up the building. Yeah, I mean, that's probably fine. Because once you're actually against the building it's going to look like like like it's supposed to be there yeah like there's this whole concept and there's this whole concept in gorilla infrastructure that once something is

there as long as it looks like it belongs there everyone's going to assume it belongs there right like a lot of people actually just start using things as if they were intended to be there even if they had nothing to do with putting it there and it wasn't supposed to be there right so like if you run a cable up the side of the building as long as it looks properly installed potentially even painted the same colors the building or something like that no one's gonna mess with it so we go get a couple of little like chips oh okay ganja gremlin says look into micro trenching we do that from time to time with my company oh interesting the pros and cons of micro trenching that's a little spooky because that is uh that could potentially be seen as like

actually damaging pre-existing infrastructure. Wow. All right. Anyway, it's almost all soft ground from our building to there, which is why we think it might actually work. There's very little non-soft ground. Yeah. So I don't know. We'll see.

Theorica says, be careful if you're going to do any digging. You can get in a ton of trouble. Stuff that isn't buried too deep that you definitely do not want to damage so yeah so if we use an armored cable that's another thing nobody walks back there ever yeah it is actually conceivable that we could just lay it on the ground yeah it. It could get damaged, but like, oh, well, we'll have our, we'll have air fiber as a backup anyway. So Kazama and Twitch chat, just get a real long ethernet cable. It would be, it would be beyond the range. Yeah.

I think, I don't think you'd want to bury it. I think you'd want to kind of run it along things and try to keep its route managed and then make sure that there's like brush or whatnot so that people wouldn't want to walk there, you know? We'd have to make sure that we, we'd have to make sure we're wearing like, like safety vests while we install it and like hard hats. Have a clipboard. Yeah, just like look super official. Yeah. Yeah. We'll see.

We'll see. Get a little dirty ahead of time wear a toque ganja gremlin says it's not that armored squirrel squirrel ellas uh squirrels whatever chew through it all the time i think you mean squirrels true scott says go through the sewers thanks true scott really helpful thanks for taking participating in floatplane chat appreciate you if this was a video game they would do it that way i swear like almost every video game you end up going through a sewer somehow yeah it's so weird i don't know i know right i mean the last thing man more immersive gaming can't come late enough for sewer levels when they have smell-o-vision for sewer levels it's gonna oh oh boy make sure you encrypt your traffic over it someone could

cut and get into your network yep that's good advice absolutely yep anything that's accessible like that you would absolutely want to encrypt but that shouldn't be a problem it would still be way faster like way faster than um than even fiber over the air which we got it's weird we think it's because it's an early access product from ubiquity but we got one gigabit down and three gigabits up and it should be like symmetric so yeah we're not really sure what's up with that okay dr disrespect dr disrespect developing an fps game which we knew already right yeah that will give and will give fans the chance to win an opportunity to buy an nft which the the whole like last two-thirds of that aside as far as my understanding goes before streaming he used to be a level oh yeah it goes into it right now uh so he used to be a level designer his new game studio is midnight society okay it was co-founded by the streamer

um former uh call of duty creative strateg Robert Bolling and Halo 5 multiplayer designer Quinn Del Hoyo. While literally no other details have been revealed about the upcoming first-person shooter, we do know that the game will contain everyone's favorite feature, NFTs. The company promises that the game will be the most community-focused online PvP multiplayer experience the world has ever seen. They hope to use the collective strength of the community to go hands-on during crucial early development milestones. Typically, game studios will pay employees to do alpha and beta testing and QA, but Midnight Society is graciously offering a select group of 10,000 community members a $50 Founders Access Pass, so that's a cool

half a million dollars, that will provide access to early builds, Discord channels, and the chance to vote on key design decisions. Pause for a second. I understand that we are against this general concept, but I would like to say the way that this is written is very inflammatory when this is not, this is actually very standard practice these days. This is not like, this is not like, whoa, these guys figured out that you get people to pay to test your game. What? Like that's been happening for a long time. So, okay. I just want to make that clear that this is super normal so far the pass holders will also be able to mint a unique

procedurally generated tradable visor design no longer normal with differing levels of rarity they just put nfts and loot boxes and paid early access together let's's go. It's like one middle finger wasn't enough. They gave you all three middle fingers. They grew another arm to give you another middle finger. Oh, man. Beautiful. These will be created using environment-friendly

NFT technology. Good. Not Ethereum. And purchasers will be able to sell their stupid pass on marketplaces after a 30-day lockdown period okay who wrote this oh it's uh it's uh our new writer who's not off probation yet okay that's a little that's too much color commentary in a news story okay AS it is very clear that the person that wrote this does not like it super nonplussed yeah super nonplussed the founders pass will not be first come first served instead you get to apply for the chance to pay them for this

vaporware the application process i'm not even changing the colorful writing here the application process is live and applicants will be judged on various criteria including but not limited to seniority in the community activity in the community how active of a gamer creator developer they are in general and their vision for what makes a good pvp shooter okay founders pass holders will also get first priority in being part of an elite class of rulers within the game and company who get to decide on future items and assets that will be included and sold in the game. Hopefully they get to mint more of them

because they're making this sound like an investment, which is just, that's brilliant. You know what the worst part is? It's really smart. Is that Dr. Disrespect is going to be a billionaire off this project. Oh, it's going to be huge. Yep. Yep, yep, yep.

off this project. Oh, it's going to be huge. Yep. Yep, yep, yep. So should we just like... Can I be a billionaire, please? Can we just embrace this? Okay. I'll disown you.

I know. I'd disown me. Just sucks. Like pyramid schemes seem like an extremely good way to make money. They're so easy, yeah. I know. I'm trying to find...

Jaden's all mad. Jaden, you'll develop what I tell you to develop. I feel like if you got him to make NFTs, that might not actually be the case. I think he might just quit. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. I'm trying to find...

I know on the Linus Tech Tips Twitter account, there was something posted very recently. Here it is. It's a picture of the guy wearing Beats. And it says, I bought these headphones. Sure, yeah, yeah. Picture of the guy wearing Beats. I bought these headphones for their looks.

The response is, that's absolute nonsense in 2010. And then picture of a dude who bought a mouse is this mouse has three times more rgb than any other mouse and then the response is i'll take two i feel like this is this is like in a lot more spaces than just hardware like i i think back then the purchasing of skins in game like think of horse armor right the reaction of horse armor was super negative now if you look at um lost ark people are frustrated that the north american version doesn't have enough cosmetics to buy in the store they want more of the purchasable cosmetics to come from the i believe korean version of the game uh into the north american one because they're like dude i can't buy enough stuff this is really frustrating and that has been just i i think honestly seeing that happen and seeing the community in general just be like yeah true has made me that was one

of the strongest most like i'm a boomer moments i've pretty much ever had is like because to me that's just so wrong yeah my kids will not buy in-game cosmetics it's crazy if they do I will literally kill their allowance forever there's some stuff like if it's a completely free like in League of Legends if people are like I play this game a ton and it's completely free and I want to like show some support to the devs. I don't mind that. When people spend like two grand on cosmetics in League of Legends, which absolutely happens. I know more than one person who has done that personally. That's when I'm like, dude, what are you doing?

It's time to stop. Yeah. Like, come on. To be clear, I'm not talking game functionality right like if you buy like i know uh league of legends has like a character rotation for the ones that you can play for free right yeah yeah so if you buy a character that you really like to play that's at least more akin to an expansion pack it's actual functionality and it's it's a free game right that's another important part to add on top of this it's a free game um and lost ark's a free game, right? Yes. That's another important part to add on top of this. It's a free game.

And Lost Ark is a free game. They do have like a monthly thing. My silent protest is that when I play Halo Infinite, which I'm not right now because I'm doing all my gaming on Steam Deck. Steve, I'm a default skin. I play gray. Default Chad, dude. Default.

Default gray. Yeah. I won't even use the ones that i earn for free and it looks i don't know it looks good i i don't really understand yeah i don't know so there's a few more notes from um the new writer discussion question this is so stupid they are selling a monetization scheme and then promising the game will be good i hate this so much is decentralizing game development just a new attempt to avoid paying employees

for work? This uses all the classic scam rhetoric. Get in on the ground floor. Just one small investment in the future. Decentralized. Buy now or miss out. Why did you make me read and write about this, Linus? Why? That's not really how the discussion questions are supposed to work.

That's quite an extensive statement. Yes. That being said, don't really disagree. Yeah. That's fair. Yeah. Okay. What else we got?

Yeah, that's rough. That's a game I'll never play. Oh, YouTube forces the advanced app to shut down privateer community in shambles. I wouldn't say shambles. There are alternatives to Vanced, but I want to get out ahead of this before anyone gets this in their mind because some people did. I had nothing to do with this. Guys, do you imagine based on the timeline that this actually aligns with us talking about Vance in our return YouTube dislike button video?

Yep. Come on. An organization the size of Google, a problem that's been around as long as Vance, and you think that they suddenly said, giddy up lawyers, here we go. Come on. I have it on good authority. This had nothing to do with me nope nope no not a single person at google nor youtube had any idea what advanced was or knew that it existed until they saw your video that's right i am the one authority yeah that google employees

lean on to learn about technology yeah they don't actually like read or watch anything else. Just Linus Tychus videos. It's actually a rule that they're not allowed. Yes. Yeah, it's illegal. So the news broke early Sunday with a tweet from the developers. Vanced has been discontinued. In the coming days, the download links on the website

will be taken down. We know this is not something you wanted to hear, but it's something we need to do. Thank you all for supporting us over the years. The devs then added, currently installed versions will work just fine until they become outdated in two years or so. But that's a guess. If YouTube is really about making sure that Vanced dies a quick death,

there will be some kind of functionality breaking change to the API that will otherwise appear to be arbitrary that will cause Vanced to stop working. YouTube Vanced was a very popular app for Android, primarily due to its ability to block all video ads on YouTube without a subscription to YouTube Premium, as well as enable other functionality that was either Premium exclusive or Vanced exclusive. It enabled features like background play and picture-in-picture viewing and also enabled the ability to play a video on repeat, a non-idiotic way to change video quality, and swipe controls to change volume and brightness while viewing in full screen without having to pull the notification shade down.

Another handy feature was the ability to override max resolution so you could watch 4K video on a 1080p device, allowing for higher bit rate video streams it also had an all black oled theme and included the ability to share a video with a timestamp a feature that is conspicuously missing from the official app in spite of the fact that i've complained about it to youtube numerous times it's actually shocking seems like a very easy thing to fix it seems like they could probably fix it in an afternoon and they just don't because, um, alternatives do exist.

None have the same quality or rapid support that Vance has managed. So it is a sad day indeed for privateers. Yeah. I'm honestly stunned that Vance was able to exist as big as it was for as long as, for as long as it did. Cause it's a modified version of the YouTube app, making it way more illegal than alternative,

fully open source alternatives like NewPipe, hence, like NewPipe, excuse me. And that's why Google was understandably so upset about it. Discussion question here is, what do you think happened to make them finally take legal action against advanced?

Um, I think it could be prepping it for a bit, but it could have been, well, they probably have had it prepped for a long time, but if I had to guess, it could have been advanced recent attempt to monetize. Oh,

I didn't know. Yeah. Through, they did some kind of, uh, like an NFT thing with the advanced logo or something like that, which bore a lot of similarity to the youtube logo um there have been other community speculations about what

exactly happened um i don't see any any other good guesses in the in the chat so far yeah that's about it uh our other discussion question is what changes do you think could make the youtube app better i mean a lot of the stuff that vanced had is just obvious stuff that google should have already done i specifically asked a google contact of mine like hey did you guys like look at the vanced app for functionality and the answer i got was very noncommittal. So maybe they do, maybe they don't. The shared timestamp thing drives me nuts because it's actually not super common

that I'll share videos without timestamps these days. Like, that's just how I share things. It's just how you share videos. If it's a Twitch stream, if it's a Twitch video, if it's a YouTube video, whatever. If you could link to a particular point in an article, you would, it's great. I'm going to, exactly. So if I see something on my phone and i'm like oh i want to share this with someone

then i'm just like okay well now i need to go find a computer or like message this to myself and then i'll do it later because i don't want to send them the raw link and then tell them to navigate i do sometimes but it's not ideal it feels very ancient whenever you have to do that yeah why is this still a problem um star wars sky says speaking of privateering got my adblock shirt in today been wearing it since feels amazing yeah the new shirts are super nice uh and a question from philae o java our merch message is working yeah they're working they've been coming up they've been coming up the whole time if you mean are they working from a business perspective the answer is absolutely

people love merch messages it's so much better than like super chats or or whatever things there are on twitch because you you get to pay money to have your message read or seen and you also it's actually free get your order in the mail. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Yeah, it's great. Oh, okay. This is a cool topic. I had an anonymous employee from an anonymous large NVIDIA competitor reach out and say,

hey Linus, I really feel like your take was not very good on the big NVIDIA leak. Because I think you and I were talking about saying, I'm sure NVIDIA's competitors will be taking a close look at this. And they basically gave me an um actually that I wanted to share with you guys. So this is from an anonymous person who I have verified does in fact work for a large NVIDIA competitor, but I will be keeping everything completely anonymous because I agreed to do that in order

to have the benefit of sharing their thoughts with you in a way that doesn't endanger their employment. In the March 7th WAN show, we discussed the possibility that the DLSS source code leak could benefit competitors. But according to our insider, a leak like NVIDIA's is dangerous to the whole industry because anyone who looks at it is now effectively radioactive in terms of employment. From a United States legal perspective, corporate IP is protected several ways. Copyright, patent, trademark, trade secrets, the legal term for it, NDAs, the ITAR and EAR, so U.S. Export Controls

on Weapons and Technology, licensing agreements and IP sharing agreements with third parties, and even between departments at the same company, and open source licensing. Effectively, there is no way for one company to utilize or even look at another company's leaked IP without facing unnatural amounts of criminal, commercial, and civil charges. Everyone is ready to sue each other at a moment's notice, so everyone generally plays it safe.

And this was an anecdote. At one point, employees quit one company, took a hard drive full of secrets, and tried to use it to get a job at another one. Company two said F off and mailed the drives back to company one. Interesting. None of this was surprising

and I did not expect or think at any level that a company approach would be this. But? I was expecting individuals who were not going to disclose this to their boss. It sounds like we got a very scrupulous person who reached out to us. Which is great.

Okay, this is one more point that they made. The most legal way to steal ideas from another company is to poach the employees involved. And even then, they can't just re-implement IP from their former company. The only legal, and sane, they say, option is to have them explain the theory behind the hardware slash algorithm and attempt to re-implement it in a way that doesn't violate

protections. Which is, I believe, exactly what we were saying. Which is what we were saying could potentially happen whether the people who don't look at it realize or not. Yes. So we'll see. We shall see. But yeah, thank you very much for sharing your perspective.

That was extremely helpful and absolutely something that I don't think we explained very well or really gave any airtime to whatsoever. How dangerous it is to steal IP. Yeah, there's no way. How dangerous it is to steal IP. Yeah, there's no way a company approach would be to do that because someone on the inside is going to whistleblow and you're just going to get nuked. Absolutely. Like it's, it's.

And you got to understand how inbred the tech industry is. Like within the time that I've been doing this, I have seen individuals jump between competitors and come full circle not even necessarily competitors i've seen people relatively large like one that i can think of right now has gone from nvidia to logitech yep i don't believe they compete in anything nope but yeah i mean um just trying to remember all the paths. Dang it.

Okay. So Jim Keller went from, what was it? Okay, so Jim Keller went from, what was it? AMD to Tesla to Apple back to AMD to Intel? And I actually don't remember the pre-AMD, but I believe, I don't, I'm not sure if he started at AMD. Like that gives you some idea. So if you think that there aren't amongst a team or an entire company right that there aren't still lingering connections you are you are sorely

mistaken yeah sorely mistaken and we're not recommending anything to be super clear as well Um, yeah. All right. Is that it for the show? I mean, we could talk about Microsoft experimenting with Windows 11 ads again, this time in File Explorer. This was, uh, this was drafted by the new writer as well. Windows 11 just sounds horrible. So spicy. Yeah. Pretty annoying. That, that sucks.

Um, they said, this is the statement. This was an experimental banner that was not intended to be published externally and was turned off yeah thank you for working on that mr lebland uh instead of something better that people actually want cool that's awesome why don't we do some merch messages these have actually spurred such interesting conversations lately i'm i'm excited yeah taylor says how many ltt gift cards can be applied at checkout um i don't know i have no idea it's either one or probably an extreme amount michael l asks i need some advice i'm still using a 6700k with a 3080 i'm overdue for

still using a cpu upgrade however no no with the 38. Yeah. Okay. I'm not big on adopting a latest gen that has firsts like DR5, PCIe Gen 5. In your opinion, is Alder Lake stable enough or would you wait for Raptor Lake? Ooh. For me, I would go for it. I love the bleeding edge.

I'm all about it. But if it. I love the bleeding edge. I'm all about it. But if you don't like the bleeding edge, based on, man, because it's the first for big little too. Like it's not just first like DDR5 and PCIe Gen 5. It's like first big little architecture on x86 that I'm aware of. Wow.

I mean, yeah, I would go for it. Yeah, I'd go for it. What would you guys do? Chat? I would just base it on how hungry he is for an upgrade. Like, how much do you actually need it? Like, what are you doing with your system? Yeah. Like how much do you actually need it? Like what are you doing with your system?

And what do you need out of your system? If you don't need an upgrade right now, just wait. There's no way your 6700K is a problem for 60 hertz. But if you're a high refresh rate gamer, then yeah, 12900K would be a big upgrade. 12700K too, actually. It's a really good game. Yeah, like 6700Ks, they're not garbage. They're still pretty solid

just depends on what you're doing chat we want to hear about it a lot of people saying go zen 3 yep zen 3 is valid and is pretty mature at this point total wire says go 10th gen oh interesting okay go 10th gen. Oh, interesting. Okay, go 10th gen. Stay away from Windows 11. Yeah, okay, well, you're gonna get a lot of different advice down there. Man, I would just go 12th gen personally, but hard to say. Philip says, what's the possibility of seeing a video focused on float planes operations at some point? I need more Luke videos and it doesn't seem like Scrapyard Wars will make a return anytime soon. The problem with talking talking about your like architecture is that a lot of it is like security and ip and we don't

yeah we don't intend on doing anything like obscurity through security through obscurity because that that's garbage anyways but like i also don't think it would do very well on the channel yeah it's tough like i've kind of wondered before about, like, reaching out to Wendell and, like, collabing on his channel to talk about some of the stuff that we do. Because, like, he has videos on, like, Docker and whatever else. And his community's into it. But, like. You got to understand it's all very software-y. Yeah.

There's no hardware to show you. It's all running in just. Data centers. Rented. Yeah. Rented space and data centers. They literally can't show you physical things at all. It's all running in just rented space and data centers. We literally can't show you physical things at all.

Yeah, the security of those places is crazy. And we're not getting in there. We're not getting inside. So that's tough. So yeah, I just don't. Yeah. And it would like actually be a non-trivial amount of work when we have many things to work on.

That being said, I think I'm overdue to do a tech wiki or something. Yeah. And I'm here. I'm here every week. Curtis, I know Scrapyard Wars isn't coming back, but what about build challenges between staff? Most FPS per watt consumed. Oh, that's kind of a fun one.

Cardboard case again, but with time and a budget. Best looking wall mount system. No, those are not bad ideas. I know that we're planning to do some kind of like amazing pc building race and it's a play on okay amazing race and like pc race you know uh where we'll have to complete some kind of challenges to get our parts to ultimately build a computer okay i think intel sponsoring it it should be fun i don't know if we have any kind of scrapyard warsy things challenge planned for the time being we do want to revisit cardboard cases though that

was actually really fun draven says love the show love your server rack home pc setup curious what a good solution for routing multiple home server racked gaming pcs to multiple access points would be okay so a number of ways you could do it, you could use steam in home streaming, and you could do it over IP, like an internet protocol. Sorry, we use I just used IP to mean intellectual property, like very recently. So I should be careful with that. You're not going to get the greatest quality and there will be a latency delay. So depending on what you're trying to do, it may or may not be the best approach the way that I am planning to do it because i haven't actually revealed this yet but i am planning to make my personal rig accessible from two different locations the way that i'm planning to do it is just with optical display port and optical usb running through the

wall both connected to the computer and the two displays running at the same resolution and cloned makes sense very rudimentary i mean it makes sense though like you don't need more than that two displays running at the same resolution and cloned. Makes sense. Very rudimentary. I mean, it makes sense though. Like you don't need more than that. Two sets of peripherals, identical, running at the same DPI settings and everything. Sweet.

And it's going to be awesome. Yeah, that sounds great. It doesn't need to be more complicated than that. Yeah, my other display will probably wake when I'm doing stuff, which isn't great for security, but I'm at home, so I don't care. Yeah. Yeah! He also

said, Luke, hope you get your Steam Deck soon. Yeah, still no email, so... Yeah, good luck with that. I'm not holding out hope. Emmanuel asks, what's your favorite part of your job, and what's the most frustrating part of your job? Wow. Favorite part.

My favorite part is you guys. Aww. Aww. Cop out answer. My favorite part is facilitating and witnessing creation of things that like often don't feel possible. Yeah. That's been really cool on the Flowplane side of things.

Most frustrating part of my job is mostly talking to vendors so you had a pretty good call with one this week yeah I saw that that was pretty cool the most frustrating part of my job is definitely you guys you send me all kinds of conflicting messages

this was good we hated this thing. We love you, Linus. You can't keep doing this if you want your community to stay behind you. If you don't keep doing this, your community is not going to stay behind you on the same video. It's hard. It's very hard. I'm always reminded of that scene from Office Space where the guy's explaining how many different bosses he has

and how he spends all his time reporting into people i feel like i have 14 million bosses yeah all with different deliverables and different temperaments yeah yeah pretty rough jackstalgia says hey linus and luke i remember a while ago you made a video discussing your issues with random battery drain on Samsung phones. Is this an issue you're still experiencing? Currently dealing with this on an S22. I haven't seen it in a couple, I didn't see it for a long time on my Note 9, and I haven't seen it at all on my Fold 3. I have to imagine it's some app that manages to vampire the crap out of the battery while

battery monitoring apps do not detect it because I couldn't find anything that would pick up what was draining my flipping battery. I don't know. I only ever experienced it on Samsung phones, but I haven't been able to, and I couldn't reliably replicate it. I don't know. By the way, I think I struck a chord. Flipping chat sort of exploded after I mentioned the talking with vendors thing. I guess this is a common thing that people don't like. It's the word.

It's, it's rough. Yeah. Birdie TX. Uh, I'm in the market for a new swap smartwatch. I've been using the pebble steel for nine years. Finally died. I'm sorry to hear that man.

Pebble. So good. So good. Any recommendations? I've been looking at Garmin watches, man. Pebble, so good. So good. Any recommendations? I've been looking at Garmin watches, but LCT hasn't reviewed any yet. Any chance for that in the future? Smartwatch reviews don't perform well for us.

I think that's the kind of thing we'd need to create a specific channel, like smart devices and wearables or something like that, because they just, there's a lot of people that really care, but there's not a really lot of people that care kind of a bit,

which is what we actually need. I've been using the Galaxy Watch 4. It's fine, I guess. I don't know, man. I'm honestly considering just switching to an analog watch. Maybe I'll just get like a Casio calculator watch or something like that.

Just go retro. I just, I find it's just not that useful anymore. I really liked, I loved my Pebble. It did everything I needed it to do. Long battery life. Screen was readable under any conditions. I just, I don't know, man. I'm just so utterly unimpressed.

I feel like I want something more basic. Yeah. Just notifications and time. Nothing else. I don't want it to do calls. I don't want notifications and time. Like there are times it comes in handy. I did take a call on it

when I was like on a badminton court and my phone was on the side and like it was in the middle of, there was a gap. I was like, actually, this is from my pharmacy i really need to take this hi yep yep sure i'll be there to pick it up tomorrow like it's useful but i don't know like it runs out of battery in one day sometimes just inexplicably yeah that's right i have no i

have i've done no additional setup on it i've installed no additional apps or anything like that. I use it for nothing other than telling the time and occasionally looking at a notification when it happens to work. And it'll just die in the middle of the day sometimes. I just don't get it. That's rough. Anonymous spent $69.98 and asked,

you talk about LTT Labs and what it will do, but could you talk more about Creator Warehouse? IRC, you said that you would do other stuff for other creators. Do you plan to try to make it a one-stop shop for high-quality merchant-making products? We don't know exactly. Yeah, we'd love to service other creators. Right now, we don't have a solid structure for that because we're based in Canada. We ship worldwide.

A lot of creators are in the us how do we handle the taxation around that it's really complicated that's tough so wait you're saying you bought this uh garment in the philippines and then you printed it in canada but the person who actually owns it is in america but then the money comes from europe and it goes first to them and then to you no no it goes to you and then to them but then the invoice was paid by them and then taxes are spooky yeah it's really complicated Because they're really difficult to do I mean we'd love to just pay our taxes

You know no problem No problem we pay our taxes And we're glad that we have schools And hospitals and roads and libraries And all that stuff that matters a lot It's that it's so hard It's just really complicated Thanks lobbying

As for making products I mean we want it to just be a place where we like make cool stuff that we think is really cool we had a really cool idea that we found out is patented and we have a call with a lawyer to find out if we can get around the patent with a solution that i think is hilarious because it's how we wanted to do the product anyway that might make it not in violation of the patent. I'll explain it to you off camera. Okay, sweet. But that one's probably a year out anyway.

Unlike the screwdriver and backpack, if you're tuning in a little bit late today, on lttstore.com, you can now sign up for an email list that will notify you once the... Oh, whoops. Sorry, sorry. That's not what I meant to

do. Uh, uh, this one, you can sign up for a notification that will tell you when the backpack and the screwdriver are in stock. There we go. Sorry about that. And what was I talking about? I don't even remember. Oh yeah. Yeah. We just want to make cool stuff that we think is cool. There you go. Yeah. Last one, Gregory just want to make cool stuff that we think is cool. There you go. Last one. Gregory. Been watching the channel for about a year and become a big fan. I'm wondering how you decide how many videos each week to star in.

Do you try to hit a certain quota or is it dependent on how interested you are in your availability? Mostly availability. I try and host and review scripts for as much of it as I can. It's just not always possible and I trust my team to anything I can. It's just not always possible. And I trust my team to anything I can't do, they're going to do, they're going to kill it. So it's great. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's the great thing about having a team is, you know, when I have time,

I do it when I'm on vacation or whatever videos still get made. Amazing. Right. How many YouTubers can say that? I'm so proud of the team that we have here. There, that's my favorite thing about working here is absolutely the team. You guys rock. All right. Cool, bye. Bye. That was abrupt. scobadoo in the float plane chat asks wonder if ltt will ever have a u.s based operation to make

tax stuff easier uh the answer is no because that would be way harder i am a canadian citizen ah owning a u.s based business as a canadian citizen not complicated not complicated at all yeah for sure that'd be bad it would be very very very very very bad i am pausing the selected ending the stream and and