The WAN Show - Apple Wont Let Me Hate Them... - WAN Show Dec 20, 2019

Episode Date: December 23, 2019

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You know what's great about ambition? You can't see it. Some things look ambitious, but looks can be deceiving. For example, a runner could be training for a marathon, or they could be late for the bus. You never know. Ambition is on the inside. So that goal to beat your personal best? Keep chasing it. Drive your ambition mitsubishi motors welcome to the wan show everyone we've got a fantastic show for you guys this week and i have to apologize in advance this show is in fact live uh b0 QWO. Look, that's my proof that we are live. But beyond that, I am cutting off the chat because I have not seen the new Star Wars movie yet.

Oh. And I cannot risk you pieces of human garbage out there who think spoilers are funny ruining it for me. Do you care that much? You know what? That would be a great topic. Add it to the WAN Show document. We'll talk about it later.

In the meantime, I need to fill you guys in on what's going to be on the show today. iFixit has done their teardown of the new Mac Pro, gives it a 9 out of 10 for repairability. Fantastic. Okay. Is it safe to assume that Apple has turned over a new leaf? No. Okay. Of course not.

We'll talk about that more later. Apple, Google, Microsoft, Dell, and Tesla have been sued for using child labor. Yikes. The New York Times has done a location tracking expose, basically telling us what we all knew but try not to think about, and it's pretty uncomfortable. Yeah. And what else we got here?

And Apple, Amazon, and Google unite to create a universal smart home standard. We're going to tie that in with the discussion about location tracking. Yeah. It'll be grand. You'll love it. Let's go ahead and roll that intro. Intro, intro, intro, intro, intro. Oh, I went to look at the chat and I was like,

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All right. So why don't we jump into this right away? Now, our Mac Pro actually just arrived. And spending over 20,000 Canadian rubles on a computer. Sorry, Mac people. That's all it is. It's just a computer. Makes me extraordinarily uncomfortable. So I am trying really, really hard to get all of our content made so that we can return it within the 14 day window. That sounds very important.

So unfortunately, I haven't managed to do like, I haven't managed to like tear it down or anything like that because the second it arrived, it went onto Anthony's desk and he started running benchmarks, although we do have a bit of a problem. One of the cool things about the Mac Pro is how highly upgradable it is. So we actually went and made our decision-making process about the hardware that we were putting in it

based on that we knew that it was going to be highly upgradable. Now, Intel did manage to pull some strings, and they've gotten me the 20 core 3215X, or whatever it is, the top end 28 core, did I say 24 core before? Doesn't matter, whatever. I thought you said 20.

Whatever, the 28 core processor, the top end one that Apple ships with the Mac Pro. They got me one of those, but it's taken a long time, and they're only loaner units, and they actually haven't shipped to us yet. So we're going to have a span of like between the Christmas holidays and how soon we're going to need to return the Mac Pro and how late the chips are going to reach us. We're going to have a span of like two days if we're lucky to actually make all the mac pro content because that's that computer is more expensive than my car actually no my car is more expensive

but like it's more expensive than two of my car not by that much yeah and i just bought a car a year ago yeah yeah there you go that's a bit better like it's not an old car. It's more expensive than my car when I bought it in 2013 That's amazing. And it was even like a decent used car. Yeah, like what are you driving a TAL? Accura TL. Accura TL. Yeah Yeah, so that's crazy. Anyway, it also okay I have a little bit of a bone to pick. Sure. Not much of one because I don't know how many people are like Just remember we're on Twitch so you can't touch it on stream Sure.

Not much of one, because I don't know how many people are like that. Just remember we're on Twitch, so you can't touch it on stream. Nine out of ten. It's a desktop. Right. I keep trying to look at the chat. Right, yeah. It's a desktop. Well, just because it's a desktop doesn't mean it's repairable.

Technically, the garbage can was a desktop. Did it sit on your desktop? Okay, but it's like a standard format tower. Did it go on top of the desk often yes or no went on the floor yes or no often went on the floor so it looked like a garbage can it looked better on the floor yeah okay but it did it did it did go on it was a desktop it was a desk okay and even previous macs have not necessarily been particularly upgradeable. Like, we tried to do a teardown of a Power Mac G5 a little while ago, and it was a nightmare. Like, the number of special screwdrivers and stuff that you needed, and, oh, well, no, you can't take that one out until you've done that one.

Right. The fact that they actually put enough thought into it. To open the case, you just twist the handle and pull the whole thing off, comes right off. The case buttons and LEDs are not attached by cables. They're just contact points, which is pretty sick. And removing the housing cuts power to the machine, which is also super sick.

Oh no, why are you here? Do you guys know that Floatplane's not live right now? Floatplane's not live right now? Yeah, we know. We know? I didn't know that. I do. Oh, why are they not live right now? Flowplane's not live right now? Yeah, we know. We know? I didn't know that. I do. Oh, why are they not live?

I'm not sure, but AJ's on it, and multiple other people are on it. We're working on it. Oh, okay. We have already addressed that to the chat. Everything is fine. Oh, okay, cool. Neat. Well, oh, I dragged the window over.

No, no, no, no, no, no. Hold on. I'm sorry. I had to get this out of here before I accidentally read something. Cool. Okay. So, yeah, no. Hold on. I gotta get this out of here before I accidentally read something cool. Okay. So, yeah. That is super sick. I have actually pitched

that design to case manufacturers before. Like, why exactly is it that we have to have these stupid wires? Like, why isn't this just, like, contacts? Because the funny thing is, we've seen it before. What's their face?

Is it NZXT that was doing it for a little bit with their case fans? Oh. Who was it? Yeah, yeah, I think so. I thought it was them. So the idea of having like your fans connect to these little modules, really short wires,

and then it just goes together and you've just got a spring-loaded contact point. That's awesome. It's a great idea. So I love it. You would take out a fan module, basically, and install your fan in it, and the wire for your fan would wire into the fan module

so it's all nicely put together. Then you'd click it into your case and that would run out past. It was really nice. So inside the Mac Pro, there's a switch to pop open the cover that hides the RAM, which is also user-replaceable, which is a good thing. Now, okay, I did see the expose

that Apple is using the cheapest memory, but I will give you guys a little knowledge bomb here. Everyone uses the cheapest memory in commodity desktop systems. And once again, I'm sorry, Mac people, it's just a computer. This doesn't surprise me at all, and it also doesn't particularly matter.

Now, the cast latency of those modules was not particularly good, but to my knowledge, load reduced DIMMs are not known for their exceptional latency. They're actually architected significantly differently from normal ECC registered DIMMs. So I have a video coming about this where I load up a single motherboard with two terabytes of RAM, which by the way is a half a terabyte more than the Mac Pro can handle at this time, just saying. So I load up a motherboard with two terabytes of RAM

and I go through what makes a load reduced dim different from a regular? Registered ECC dim because the cold hard truth is you cannot put one and a half terabytes of regular Registered memory into a single socket machine the memory controller just cannot handle it So a load reduced dim allows you to have what is effectively multiple dims Sandwiched into a single slot at a greater density than you can do normally So that you know the chips that are on your actual memory module They can have what is effectively sort of multiple

Like chunks so you can have ones that are like four times essentially four of those chips but like just in one and normally having a bunch of those puts a bunch of extra load on the memory controller with a load reduced dim instead of your memory controller communicating directly with every single one of those chips there's a buffer chip that handles it that's kind of right in the middle of the module and that they all communicate with so it just reduces the load um it's i want to say kind of similar to the concept of fully buffered dims from back in the day but without a bunch of the extra

heat and power consumption and other issues that fully buffered dims dealt with so um there you go there's really no getting around that i don't think but we'll investigate it more once we actually pop ours open and see if even all of them are shipping with the same ram because it's quite common for memory to be multiple multiple source look at gpus yeah gpus have that all the time the mining community became very aware of that one thing i want to ask you is what do you think about this getting a 9 out of 10 and having a non-user replaceable SSD? That is... You know what? I didn't even think of that.

But now that you mention it, by... Because that kind of bugs me. Because, like, think about the things that are going to fail on the computer. Like, it's a 9 out of 10 by Apple standards for sure. Fair. For sure. But not having a way to replace the SSD by yourself.

Because there is a thing over top of it that is bound to a T2 chip blower fan. So if you remove that, you trip the T2 chip. It's a no-go. Yeah. And the fact that if your motherboard dies, the only ones who can repair it are Apple without you suffering data loss. Like to me, a drive failure is like, I mean, it should be one of the most user fixable things ever. I mean, do you think- That's a big enough deal personally

that that should drive purchasing decisions basically. Do you think the main motivation behind the T2 chip, because to be clear, an encrypted drive is a great idea. It's a great way to ensure better data security for your customers. But the way that Apple does it is entirely unnecessary. It doesn't have to be bound to the motherboard by hardware like that.

Do you think the ultimate motivation here is to kill the Hackintosh? Oh. I actually didn't consider that. Because if there is no way for anyone outside of apple to change the boot drive of a mac then there's no reason why anyone should have to download mac os the only way to get mac os and now it's on would be on a pre-installed drive all of their mac os devices have non-user because their laptops are non-user replaceable so i give the hackintosh community like

three more years maybe oof big oof big oof that's that's sort of my that's my take on this i think that is ultimately what apple's after here because there is no other reason for them to lock it down like that. The encryption could easily be handled on the drive itself. And just to fully confirm, the laptops also have T2-bound SSDs, right? Yes. So the one recent machine, if I recall correctly,

that didn't have a T2 bound SSDs, right? Yes. So the one recent machine, if I recall correctly, that didn't have a T2 chip was a refreshed version of an iMac or something. Was it? Shoot. I don't remember. It might have been a refreshed iMac non-pro or something like that. Don't quote me on that. But as soon as Apple has the entire lineup refreshed, my assumption is that they are going to start

phasing out the ability to install Mac OS on your own. And they are basically going to be the gatekeepers of Mac OS being installed on hardware. I wouldn't be surprised if they had some pretty major update and then remove downloads. So like you can't get the major update now. Yep. And just like create separation almost immediately and then push from there. Yep. And the thing is like for a time, and hackintoshers are used to this, for a time you'll be able to run your hack

on the older version of macOS because even a lot of people with legit Macs will run an older version of macOS. Like Justine, of all people, was telling me, she's like, yeah, yeah, no, I like never update right away. Forget it. It's like, yeah no I like never update right away forget it yeah oh Mac users and Windows users we aren't so different are we whoo yeah no that's not a bad idea delaying updates often very good all

right so I I actually totally agree with you now I hadn't thought of it at all but that is a hundred percent like I would knock two points off for that. Not being able, in the middle of the night, not being able to pop a new drive in and reformat my machine and get up and running is a huge problem to me. And if it was as simple as Apple having, like, hardware DRM built into their compatible drives. Like I said, I've got no problem with drive encryption schemes. That's good. That could actually be a user-friendly thing. So if there was a way to take a validated Apple-approved SSD and pop that thing in there and get my system back up and running,

yeah, fine, I don't have to like it. I don't have to like that it's going to cost me extra for the special magical Apple one, but at least I can accept that. That is still user serviceable, whereas this is not user serviceable in a way that is a huge problem. And I think something that you said there was pretty good, where you were like, if you're comparing this apples to apples, that was not originally intentional, but then I did recognize it before I said it. If you're comparing this apple to apple,

maybe the 9010, okay. Because the case has some really nice features. There's some really single-screw removable devices that are safe to be done that way, et cetera. The IO boards are held in place by thumb screws. Freaking awesome. That's pretty sweet. There's a lot of cool stuff. Single switch for the PCIe card,

so it's a little rail with hooks that secures anything in its path. The power supply... Wow, the IO board, video card, and power supply all come out from the same side of the case. The power supply is held in by a single screw. It's freaking awesome! Very easy to work on.

Gains a lot of points because of that, but I think it almost becomes, like, capped in how high it can go because of the intensity of the negativity around the non-user replaceable SSD, which is, in my opinion, one of the most important pieces to be able to replace as a user.

Now, the rest of the storage is upgradable. Can you give them back half a point or a point for that? It's better than nothing, which is what you get with a MacBook. But then we're trying not to put the Apple filter on there.

Because a normal tower, that would just... It's not even that that would be a feature, that's just like... Like, your car has wheels! No, it's $400 for the wheels. You know about this, right? Yeah. It's just like... Jesus! Like, your car has wheels! Like, I don't... Okay, no, it's $400 for the wheels. You know about this, right?

Was that the reference? No. Oh, it costs $400 for the wheels for the Mac Pro. Like, there's wheels. We didn't buy the wheels. Yeah, good, good, good. Yeah, that's probably... Now, that's a user-upgradable feature.

You could go get some wheels yeah put them on your rims on there yeah spinners you can put some really big wheels yeah so the good stuff you can remove the cooler and the cpu so the good stuff a fair number of the modules can be swapped without tools uses mostly standard screws and connectors um they they, I personally think this is a big deal. You know, Apple created their new magical PCI Express slot with more power pins at the back, but then they also have a place to just plug in modular cables

and provide power to other cards. Like, they're actually... There are certain parts of the computer that it seems like they're inviting you to upgrade and work on. Like, yeah, and not just just that but it's it's not even like an invitation necessarily and apple might never intend for any first party card to ever use like a standard ew ugly oh wow it's a cable yuck you know connector they might never intend for that to happen but at least they're accounting for that it might whereas with the

trash can it was like it is so perfectly beautifully engineered all one thing we'll never you'll never need to touch it again um you know unless we provide upgrades oh we never provided an upgrade oh crap uh now what so at least they're leaving the door open for you know if apple gets bored of professional users who use desktops again uh at least amd might have the option of going oh apple can we please make a new graphics card for your customers who would really like a new graphics card please apple can we can we make one and they might be able to say oh yeah sure go for it and then amd if they don't feel like it might just be like uh you know what, we're not going to use the weird PCIe slot.

We're just going to reuse one of our normal designs and put a BIOS on it that makes it Apple compatible. Yeah, yeah. The bad. Oh, wait, wait, wait. Free public repair manuals and videos. That's good. Okay, go ahead.

Okay, the bad. Apple still keeps the keys to certain repairs, like proprietary SSD, like we just spent a long time talking about. And some of Apple's repairer's manuals include or entirely compromise a disclaimer. Comprise. Reading is hard.

A disclaimer insisting that you contact an Apple-authorized service provider when in reality the repair could easily be done at your desk. I don't blame them for that. I don't think that's that bad personally. I think the entirely comprised of is a bit of a, you know. But they also didn't need to give you that. Yeah, they didn't have to give you that at all.

So I will retract my thing. I don't actually mind that, to be honest. If you needed to look in the Apple-specific manual about how to do this, maybe you should bring it to a repair person. Maybe you should. If you're not comfortable, maybe you should. There's nothing wrong with that. If you're not comfortable working on your $25,000, potentially plus, computer, maybe you should.

Or maybe if your boss isn't comfortable with you working on your up to $50,000 machine, which hopefully they didn't spend fifty thousand because the upgrade prices are terrible so what I was talking about with the SSD thing where like it should maybe drive person purchasing decisions is you could buy a decent one But with like a beast SSD So you don't have to upgrade that in the future, but you have upgrade avenues for other parts. Yep.

So that's like, it's interesting that they did that. The problem though is that the entry level machine just makes absolutely no sense. It's like we paid 20 grand for a computer with an eight core processor. Right, but you could like do a single GPU or like there's a few things you could do. Yeah, I mean.

Or a single card. I mean the single card though It's like basically a glorified rx 580 like it's like it'd be nice if you order with no card. Yeah Just you know what I'm just I've got a crappy video card kicking around Yeah, yeah, throw my leg. I'll buy some previous bit. I just like nothing. Yeah, I upgraded to RTX. I'm just What's up, Nick? Merch. LTTstore.com

Nice shirt, Nick. LTTstore.com LTTstore.com Oh, yeah. LTT Stealth Hoodie is now back in stock in every size. And this could be it, ladies and gentlemen.

I am not sure if we are going to keep stocking this one. It's been a great mover for us. Yeah. But all good things must come to an end. We've had quite a number of people messaging us saying, hey, what happened to the Swacket? When you guys restocking the Swacket? I still don't have a Swacket.

And I'm like, you ain't getting one. Because I said this is a limited time item. Yeah. So it's like, there you go. LTT Stealth Hoodie, if you guys want one, make sure you are getting on top of that. Also, Stealth Water Bottle is back in stock. We blew through basically all of these

back when we did the Stealth Bundle. So that's why they've been out of stock for a while There you go We've also got of course. Oh wait is the gold and black one in stock or should I not be talking about that? Oops sorry, that's not in stock ignore it Okay early next year black and golds come back all right Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, we're we're gonna do a big one Yeah, so that'll be cool

All right got another great topic for you guys sort of Apple Google Microsoft Dell and Tesla sued for using child labor So in the first lawsuit of its kind they are being sued on behalf of 14 They are being sued on behalf of 14 Congolese families whose children were killed or permanently injured while illegally mining cobalt for electronics made by these companies. Fouled in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia by human rights group International Rights Advocates, the federal class action lawsuit alleges that the companies aided and abetted a system of forced child labor and had specific knowledge of the conditions these children were working in, but did not act in order to protect their profit margins. That is not great. Nope.

Each of these companies has specific policies claiming to prohibit child labor in their supply chains. That does, in fact, make it worse. Their failure to actually implement these policies to stop forced child labor in cobalt mining is an intentional act to avoid ending the windfall of getting cheap. Cobalt, alleges the international rights advocates in their complaint. So cobalt is an important component of lithium ion batteries that get used in many modern electronics. In the lawsuit, the families argue that their children were illegally working at cobalt mines owned by Gencor, the world's largest cobalt producer. They then supplied the cobalt to Umicore, a Belgian mining company and metals trader,

and then Umicore then provided the cobalt to Apple, Google, Tesla, and Dell. They also implicated, oh boy, I hate it when I have to do this, Shijing Huayu Cobalt, a Chinese cobalt producer, which works with Apple, Dell, and Microsoft. Wow. Oof. That's rough. So last year, the Democratic Republic of Congo produced somewhere between 60%

and 70% of the world's cobalt, and a third of that was artisanal or subsistence mining, independently done outside of formal employment with a mining company. So I guess that's where you might run into trouble there. So in the complaint, the Congolese families go into vivid detail explaining how abject poverty made them desperate enough to work in the mines, paying as little as $2 a day for this dangerous and demanding work. In one instance, a child went into a Gencor-owned mine after his family could no longer afford his school fees. A tunnel collapsed on him and his body was never recovered, according to the lawsuit.

Others have been paralyzed. Okay, all right. I mean, what even is the dollar amount that's right for something like that? How do you sue for children dying? Okay, I don't know if this is the right applicable point in time. I don't know legal stuff way too much. But there's a certain point, and I was talking to someone about this the other day, when it comes to government construction. So this is completely off topic.

But you know how very often any government construction project goes like way over budget and way over time? Yeah. It blows my mind that at a certain point, you don't just go like, you don't get that company anymore. That's ours. Goodbye. Gross misuse. You're not allowed to be a company. Hmm.

I don't know if this is the right case. How do you do that? I don't know if the government construction thing is the right Hmm. I don't know if this is the right case. How do you do that? I don't know if the government construction thing is the right case. I don't know if that's a good idea ever. But there's at a certain point, if it's like, yeah, you effectively murdered children. You don't get to make large decisions about people's lives anymore. Oh, I see what you mean. Well, I mean, the idea is supposed to be that you go to jail.

I mean, that's supposed to be it but i think the the corporation model makes that very difficult yeah so that's true so i see what you're saying so you're saying okay you just wasted you know 14 million dollars of taxpayer funds you need to be accountable for this in some way um instead of us just being like okay well whatever it's taxpayer money anyway and just paying you um like you i've always i don't know what the answer is right but i've always felt like something more drastic should happen because of how intensely consistent it is right yeah like it happens every time so you feel like if you go millions and millions of dollars over budget on like a public job that it's effectively like stealing from the public yeah because is it really different so if we're gonna if we talk about you know and i honestly

i'm just this is very stream of consciousness guys don't don't don't hold this against me and i'm very i don't know anything about that industry. I'm very likely glossing over things. We're just discussing. Yeah. Okay. So anyway, so you're basically saying, okay, well, what's the difference between tax fraud or tax evasion where you don't pay taxes or tax wasting of the taxes that were already

paid? taxes or tax wasting of the taxes that were already paid. If the idea is just that the public purse is the resources that belong to all of us. And this should apply not to just to construction. That was just a very easy in your face. Just because it's always over budget. Yeah. But I'm sure there are other things that happen government level that are massively over budget. They're just not as in your face. You don't drive by it all.

Well, yeah. Like what's his face? The recently disgraced head of the Canadian Conservative Party. What's his name again? I can't remember. Boy, he wasn't charismatic. Andrew Scheer. Yeah, Andrew Scheer had something like...

So, it was first found out that he was using public money to pay for his kid's private school. Okay. So that really is... So he stole money. Well, okay, but not just that. Stole money to put his kids... to keep his kids from the education system

that, as a government worker, he's supposed to be making good. Oh, my God. Yeah, okay. So there's just a little bit of, like, general hypocrisy in there. Now they're investigating him for somewhere between $700,000 and $900,000 of just, like, personal use of, I forget if it was, like, campaign or donor funds or, like, just public money. So it was just, like, really, really bad look. Yep, he stepped down now.

They're in trouble. There's such a leadership vacuum there. It's, like, between the Canadian conservative party and the american uh democratic party just like the half you gotta find a half of yeah half of north american politics just has no idea who they should basically empty seat yeah yeah yeah anyways i just i've always just felt like and like i've seen software projects going on the same line i'm not trying to pick on construction i've seen software projects go down the same line. I'm not trying to pick on construction people. I've seen software projects go down the same line. We have.

Okay the difference here it's very fair the difference here is if we were proposing like a government project I would expect. You didn't give me a quote. No. And I had no idea. You were smart enough to not give me a quote. No. And I had no idea.

You were smart enough to not give me a quote, and you did say that you didn't know. Yeah. And you did tell me that the scope of the project was unreasonable. And I said, well, let's give it the old college try. And you know what? If that's the agreement... Here we are three years later.

Yeah. Finally in beta. Hey! And doing pretty okay. We've had some stumbles, some of which were not our fault. Yeah. You're probably watching this. C word.

I am mad again. Yeah. We're mad at the C word again. The only angry emails I have ever sent in the entire time of working on Floatplane have been to only them. And I think this whole time, I whole time, they probably think I'm just a jerk. I don't think they do because every time you've been mad, it's been for very reasonable things.

I hope so. Like, never replying to emails. Or not performing, like, core functions of their service. The job. You had one job. Come on!

And if you can't do that job, your second fallback job was to notify us that you couldn't do that job. Or respond. Like, I just... Anyways. They know you're mad right now, right? Like, they're not gonna find out while they're watching the show? It's pretty clear, I think. You think so? Okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you know people from there watch this show right yeah if it's not pretty clear i'm way too canadian one of the two because i like tried to make it pretty clear um anyways moving on but like when you are massive massive many hundreds if not thousands of employees companies yeah when you're like do this for, like, this is everyday stuff. You build bridges. You construct massive buildings. Like, that's what you do, and you've been doing it for possibly generations. You should probably be a little bit more accurate.

Now, stuff can happen. Sure. You can be excavating, and it's like, we just found T-Rex fossils. They're in the way. Archaeologists are going to be up in this biz for 36 months. We can't build the thing. And you should have. And we had all this stuff.

We had all these equipment brought in already. What are we going to do? And you should have insurance for that. Oh, I see. That should be on you. And if that increases the cost, sure. Okay. Because you know what?

Maybe all this stuff should be more expensive. It just shouldn't go over budget. I see what you mean. Okay. All right. We just derailed super hard. What were we even talking about? We should do ad spots.

We were talking about Apple, Google, Microsoft, Dell, and Tesla using child labor. If the allegations are true that's terrible um at this point i can't say that it would surprise me that much for a number of reasons i mean number one is i do know that congo is basically where cobalt comes from and congo is not known for sorry the democratic republic of congo whatever they call themselves these days um they're not known for having stringent labor laws um and i don't want to say that if you want cobalt and the only one producing cobalt is doing it incorrectly that's the only way to get it.

Like you can have policies and you can stick by your policies that you need to be auditing your supply chain on a very regular basis. But I will say that it's possible that in a place that is as poorly regulated as that, that they could clean everything up when the auditor's coming in

and you could feasibly not know. But if you're following your policies and they are well-conceived ones, I would say that there's not really much excuse for not knowing. I mean, even at our size and with our resources, we did manage to track down that one of our employees, one of our factories that was producing LTT merch was not up to our standards. There was no child labor involved, as far as we can tell,

but the working conditions were not considered acceptable for us, so we are currently in the process. There's an item that's probably gonna be in shortage over the next little bit while we're sourcing a new factory to work with, so if we can do it, I think Microsoft and Google can do it better. I am technically detached. And not even just technically.

I am detached. But, I mean, I'm wearing the merch and stuff. One thing, I think that is super cool as, like, a customer person. We're trying, but I'm not going to say that we're perfect. We could have caught it earlier if we'd been more diligent. Sure. To be perfectly transparent. But I still think it's cool that

at the very least it was cut off because that almost feels like the... Remember when we were doing the Sennheiser and Omron tours? Yeah. And we were like, no, no, no, you guys gotta show the failure bins. Right. And neither of them wanted to show the failure bins. Yeah, yeah. I think just like dealing with that at all, I think a lot of

companies wouldn't. Right. And the fact that you're letting it go into shortage on the site and doing the work to change the thing, I can tell right now that you feel bad because you're refusing to look at me. But at least something was done, and I think that's cool. Maybe it could have been done a little bit faster. That was also the first time it's happened, I'm assuming. Yeah, this is the first time that we've caught anyone.

So maybe things will be done a little bit more routine-like in the future? We're going to try. I mean, I've talked about this before. The reality of it is we are a one-person department right now. Lloyd, well, one and change. Lloyd and sort of Nick. Lloyd and sort of Nick are the only ones working there. And Lloyd has only managed to make one trip back to China.

We do have some concerns as a media outlet with sending people to China. We are working on sourcing not in China. In fact, not all of our stuff even now is sourced in China. But getting overseas and having basically, you know, a week's worth of productivity lost in travel and time zone shifts and stuff like that. When you are the vast majority of the team. It's tough. But we are adding another person soon.

And so what we are hoping is that as we go on, we can be more and more diligent. I think my big thing is, and I can feel the feels bad, but I think my big thing is most people wouldn't feel bad because they would have never tried. I guess. Yeah, I guess that's... And even if you look at some of those shops online where you can just design a logo, put it on something, I guarantee you tons of that stuff is made in shops that would be below most people's standards. And no one checks yeah that's that's fair i think the vast majority of of groups would not check i mean

especially that size i think with these guys though especially because they have these policies in place i mean does that to you make the size of those because then it's just hypocritical personally yes it does make it worse right also size of those... Because then it's just hypocritical. Personally, yes, it does make it worse. Also, the size of the companies, the amount of people working on the logistics and stuff like that is also a lot more substantial than a one-person crew. I do also sympathize with the point that you brought up,

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description sweet moving on on the show here should we take a break from major topics and talk about star wars all right let's do it have you seen it no wait no i talked we talked about this already i'm an idiot all right cool have you seen anything about it do you know anything don't if you know anything if you even know if it's like you're supposed to be good i i don't know i haven't watched the trailer i know how you deal i don't even know who's in the movie okay i okay i know one person who's in the movie because i could not avoid the headlines about um shoot i forget his name i'm not even gonna assume the the one who lost the script. I have not.

I have seen the headline that they figured out who it was, but I didn't click on it because I didn't want to know. Okay. Well, then, good. I didn't give you any hints that you didn't already have. Okay. So what was your question again? Do you actually really want to go see it? If I actually really wanted to go see it,

I would have seen it already or I'd be seeing it tonight. I don't even have a ticket. Yeah, I don't either. Now, I don't want it spoiled. Yeah. When I get around to seeing it, I would like to have the full experience. I would like any plot twists.

Have you liked any of the movies that have come out since Disney purchased? Remind me what they are again. So we've got Force Awakens. The Last Jedi. Force Awakens is the last one that I bought the Blu-ray of. That should give you some idea. And I only bought it for Force Awakens

because I wanted to own the whole sequel trilogy and then just didn't end up buying. Gave up on that one. Yeah, I don't even remember what the second one was called end up buying. Gave up on that one. Yeah. I don't even remember what the second one was called, to be perfectly honest with you. The Last Jedi. Yeah, sure.

Okay. And then there was Rogue One. I would say Rogue One was the best of them, but critically flawed. Yes. Okay, I like that. I agree with that, to be honest. Then Solo.

Did you even see Solo? I eventually watched Solo on my phone on a plane, and that was all it deserved. Okay, so are you even going to go see this one? Yeah, I'm going to go see it. Okay. Because my wife will want to go see it, even though, like, she's... That's the funny thing, too, is she's not... Okay, how do i put this nicely

she likes the prequel trilogy more than the original trilogy so to call her like a good star wars fan you know uh like uh like a like a you know what made me appreciate the prequels a lot more? Yeah, the sequels. Well, yeah, okay, that's fair. But the books. Really? Which books? Books for episode one, two, and three actually helped a lot. Really? Because they go over, like, what's going in the character's head and stuff,

and it adds a lot better context and reasons and stuff like that. So if the acting had been better, maybe they would have been better movies? Or the directing. Or directing. Right, okay, I movies. Or writing. Or directing. Right. Okay, I see. Or editing. Yeah, honestly, it wasn't until Force Awakens that I really gained a proper appreciation for the prequels.

I went back and rewatched them, and I was like, at least they were super, super imaginative. In the 2010s, the prequels are a lot stronger than they were when they first came out. I don't know necessarily what that means. I'm not going to dive into that too hard vfx in the vfx in phantom menace was not good enough yet phantom menace was rough the two and three were a lot better two and three were a lot better okay the duel of fates though was like actually outstanding yes and there were parts there were terrible there were terrible bits and attack of the Clones. I actually completely forgot that that Anakin love story crap was in Attack of the Clones until I asked someone. I was like, was that in that one?

I haven't watched them for a while. Oh, that makes sense. It would have to be. Yeah, it's horrendous. Oh, okay. So that sucked. But another thing, too, is at least there was sort of a cohesive story. Yeah.

I have no idea what's going on, and I shouldn't have to read books to know what's going on in a movie. And I'm not afraid of reading books, but I think the Marvel movies do an amazing job of this. If you want to read the supplementary literature— You get cool additional information. You can. Not required. But you don't have to. You don't need to go read a novel about Pym Particles in order to, you know, have any idea what's going on in the movie. Yeah.

Am I excited? But not, so actually excited is the, you know. Am I actually excited? But the other one. I am afraid to be excited. Okay. I want it to be good. But I don't understand how it can possibly be good

when basically everything that's happened in the previous two movies has kind of been nothing. It's like watching Arrested Development. So here's an additional question. Do you want to go see it or do you feel obligated i want to want to go see it i was the kid so you feel obligated my my copy of the essential guide to vehicles and vessels the essential guide to weapons and technology the essential guide to characters my copies of those books like literally star wars encyclopedia volumes were so dog-eared that like they didn't like you know when the two corners fan out to like

almost double the thickness of the actual book from having the pages flipped so many times like i was such a star wars kid I read so many of the books. I remember this one time. My sister creased one of the pages in one of my pristine books in my full series of copies of the Young Jedi Knights collection. Have you read those by any chance? Not the Young Jedi Knights. I have since read a lot of Star Wars books. And I'm usually constantly having one of them.

They're written for adolescents, so the writing level is not particularly high. But I would say they did a way better job of character development and some kind of plausible ongoing story arc for Han, Leia, and Luke and their offspring and all that. So, you know, Luke never ends up finding the right person and settling down.

He just opens a Jedi school. I think it's on Yavin 4, so where the old Rebel base was. Leia and Han are like off doing whatever it is that they do in government and whatever the crap you know Han's kind of uncomfortable with being settled like it's it's written by Kevin Anderson and Who's the other one Rebecca something? I can't remember but they've done a bunch of Star Wars literature So it ties in really nicely with the old EU that's now dead More than one EU that's dying Expanded universe There's more than one EU that's dying anyway. Sorry, I didn't realize that as I said it. I mean, expanded universe.

Okay. And anyway, the kids are attending Luke's school, and, you know, they actually have to train to be Jedi. They're not just magically Jedi overnight. You know what was really, really sad? I watched an interview with mark hamill when he's reading the script for uh the force awakens yeah and he the whole time he's like this is this is exciting i'm really excited for my big entrance basically and you can understand like

that's not even a pretentious thing really he's luke freaking skywalker luke skywalker yeah we're all excited for his big entrance Him included, that's great and he's reading through and he gets to the fight, I was going to say duel, but the fight between Finn, Rey and I forgot his name because I don't even care, Kylo

and when the lightsaber's like stuck in the snow and it starts to shake he's like, this is it this is when I come in, and then he's like, this is it. This is when I come in. And then he's like, I read that Ray caught it. I was just like, what? She didn't train on Dagobah?

And like the thing that drives me nuts about that is that was like his signature thing. Sorry, I don't want to get into this too much. My next follow up question is have you watched Mandalorian? I don't have Disney Plus. So no. I totally have Disney Plus by my own subscription, and I'm not using someone else's subscription for Disney Plus.

Okay, go ahead. It's great. Is it? Okay. It's not perfect. There's parts where you're like, that are kind of funny. There's also a few parts that you're like, lore-wise, that makes no sense at all. But they're not that bad.

Okay. Those parts of it are really not that bad. There's parts of the show that are just freaking adorable. Right. There are parts of the show that are epic. Some of the fight scenes are fantastic. Some of them, not quite as much. Right.

Like, understanding that it's a TV show, it's great. So it is the first piece of content from Disney, Star Wars related, that I've been like, yeah, this is sick. And I have now watched not all of the episodes, but the vast majority of them. And I'm like really

excited to finish off what is currently available and then watch the last episode when it comes out. Okay. All right. All right. I will will consider watching it i have a harder time picking up tv shows they are such a big time commitment they are like it's this one is this one is i think only 10 episodes like i decided to watch dark crystal and then it was like you know a week's worth of not going to bed on time and being tired like it, it just, it kind of sucks. Like, it kills my productivity. Good night, Nick. Well, are you out all of next week?

Yeah, most. We're in on Friday. You're what? We're in on Friday. Oh, okay. Well. Happy holidays! Okay, bye.

Yeah, so back to, oh, shoot. Where was I going to go with that? Oh, yeah. Have you seen the, like, 45-minute thing of all the times Mark Hamill talked about Star Wars without talking about Star Wars? It's so great. I didn't watch the whole thing. It's great. I did watch some of it.

Yeah, I watched almost the entire thing. And it's just, like, it's hilarious. And his opinions on a lot of this stuff is so, in my opinion, on point. He's in line with the fans. He's a fan. Yeah. And it's not often that you can say that. Like, there's a lot of Hollywood phonies out there.

Oh, yeah. I do not get that vibe from Mark Hamill. No. At all. No. At all. He seems to really... He has respect for people who are great at their jobs.

He calls out people who he thinks are not great at their jobs. He just seems to be actually an honest guy. And as a kid who loved Luke Skywalker, being able to grow up and be an adult who loves Mark Hamill is sort of like, you can't expect that to happen more than a couple times a generation. It really just doesn't happen that often

where people in person are as worthy of being looked up to as they are on screen when they're playing a character. And something I'll say, too, is because I've been watching The Mandalorian with my girlfriend. And it's been fun because we pause it a lot. And she asks a lot of things about the lore behind different stuff that isn't pushed in your face

in the show. There's a lot of, I don't want to spoil too much. I'm not going to say any actual events. There's a lot of fan service that isn't shoved in your face, right? Okay There's a lot of stuff where you can like recognize what that thing is But they don't like address it and go super far into it But they they lead you enough down the path that there's enough context clues that you're like, oh, yeah, right That's that thing from whatever that's super cool, right?

So it's been fun to answer those things for. But my favorite thing about the show so far... Yeah, go ahead. I also find those things kind of bother me, though, because it's like a gigantic... It's a galaxy. Like, if it's like an object, the odds of it, like, showing up in...

Okay, but it's usually... It's fine, it's fine, it's fine. I don't want to get too far into it, but it's usually like a category of things... Okay, fine, fine, fine. ...that we haven't necessarily seen in the movies much. Sure. But they might be in the games or the EU sure um i've really really enjoyed how they've handled

characters right all the and not just like there's a ton of characters that i do not like in the new star wars movies one of the ones that i find most egregious is the stormtrooper captain phasma yeah they could have done so many cooler things with her she's a super badass in game of most egregious is... The Stormtrooper captain. Phasma? Captain Phasma. Yeah, they could have done so many cooler things with her. She's a super badass in Game of Thrones, and then she's just barely there and then gets beat in a super lame fight against... I'm not trying to ruin things. Game of Thrones?

The actress in the armor? Oh, the actress. She can clearly do amazing things, and then they relegate her to some boring stuff. Anyways, Captain... What is it, Captain Hux? I don't remember his pre-name thing, but Hux? I only watched the second one once. I only saw it in the theater.

That was it. This guy. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah, the First Order. He sucks. Yeah, he has no purpose whatsoever. Because he's so incompetent. Yeah.

The Empire was really scary. At no point in time have I been like, oh no, the First Order... Oh, jeez. The whole First Order just doesn't make any sense. And, like, one thing that I really like in Mandalorian is the enemies are... Like, there's times where you're genuinely concerned and you know like it's a show he's obviously but whatever you're like okay

ow yeah alright that one is scary I'm worried now and like that's cool yeah and the good characters there's like reasons yeah you know and like it's just I think the writing just seems so much stronger.

Yeah. Same guy that did the animated series. Oh, okay. Which I know you liked a lot. Yeah. So it's not too surprising that I like it.

I have no idea how much people do or don't like this topic because I have no way of checking the chat. So if you guys hated it, sorry about that. And if you liked it,

sorry about this because we're going to move on to the New York Times location tracking expose. The New York Times has published an expose on the personal location tracking industry after spending months reviewing a tranche of data comprising

a billion data points from 12 million Americans in several cities. So this file represents just a small slice of what's collected and sold every day by the location tracking industry. They can see the places you go every moment of the day, who you meet with or spend the night with, where you pray, whether you visit a methadone clinic, a psychiatrist's office, a massage parlor, or a massage parlor.

And right now, it is perfectly legal to collect and sell this information in the United States with no federal law limiting the vast and lucrative trade of human tracking. So only internal company policies and the decency of individual employees prevent those with access to the data from

stalking an estranged spouse or selling the evening commute of an intelligence officer to a hostile foreign power. I mean, you could probably make a treason argument there when the time comes, but, I mean, it's been, I don't remember the last time someone actually got convicted of treason. Like, isn't the penalty for it still technically being put to death? I'm not actually sure about that. I don't know. I have no idea at all.

Anyway, companies that collect this information justify their business on the basis of three claims. People consent to be tracked. The data is anonymous. Yeah, sure. And the data is secure. Let's walk through that, shall we? Consent. Usually you allow location data because you think it's integral to the function of an app, like a weather app, for example. But the seduction of these consumer products is so powerful This is a quote from the article is so powerful that it Sort of blinds us to the possibility that there's another way to get the benefits of the technology without the invasion of privacy Anonymity yes the location data contains billions of data points with no

Identifiable information like a name or a social security number or an email address. But once you have so much data, it's really easy after the fact to connect real names to the dots that appear on the maps. Like, who else would sleep at your house every day? I mean, maybe I shouldn't ask. And then go to your exact job. Yeah, every day. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Like, you're going to narrow it down to, like, a tiny handful of people immediately. Yes. And then with a very minimal, like, I'm talking half hour max amount of work beyond that, you can probably figure out the exact person. Yeah. How do we stop this? Laws. I don't know. I don't know.

This is beyond me. Because there are services that legitimately I would be disappointed to not have anymore that do rely on... And would notably negatively impact your life and reduce your competitiveness against other humans. Yes. If that makes sense. Yep. Yep, because you'd be less efficient.

Yep. I'd be more likely to get into an accident if I had to key in the address in my GPS instead of Google Maps just being like, hey, you usually go here on Monday nights. You want to go there? You're more likely to not get the contract

or job or deal or whatever if you're late because you're... You didn't know that there was traffic. Too bad, buddy. Tell me there's good news, Anthony. Sure. Is there? With

regard to? The Hack Pro? Oh. No? Not necessarily, no. Oh, all right. It's not exactly bad news. It's the same news.

Okay, fine. Yeah. Anything else? Merry Christmas. Oh, yeah, Merry Christmas. Have a great holiday. Bye. Merry Christmas.

Have a great holiday. Bye. So location data is also collected and shared alongside a mobile advertising ID, an anonymous identifier about 30 digits long that allows businesses to combine location traits with other information, like your name, home address, email, phone number, or even an identifier tied to your Wi-Fi network. Data companies say users consent to tracking when they agree to share their location, but those consent screens rarely make clear how the data is being packaged and sold. So current law. By law, companies need only describe their practices and their privacy policies, which tend to be dense legal documents that few people read and even fewer can truly understand. The truly

understand part's quite important. The California Consumer Protection Act goes into effect next year and adds new protections for residents there, like allowing them to ask companies to delete their data or prevent its sale. Buyers are typically data brokers and advertising companies and also include financial institutions, geospatial analysis companies, and real estate investment firms. I would be surprised if insurance companies aren't in there as well. They might pay more than a million dollars for a trench of data.

Absolutely fascinating. So tell me something, Luke. How much location data does Floatplane collect from its users? Technically, IP logging would have some amount of location data built into it. But do we log it? I don't think so. All right, let's make sure we don't. I don't think we keep it.

Yeah, let's make sure we don't. I don't think we keep it. Yeah, let's make sure we don't keep it longer than, like, a short period of time. We log IP data for a certain amount of time because we're trying to detect attacks and various other things. This stuff is brutal, man. Like, how can we accept this? But then how do we go back to not having it? I don't know the answer. Like, I don't actually want legislators to come in and

like make it illegal to collect it i just wish they couldn't sell it but then okay if they couldn't sell it then would they would i have to pay for every app on my phone again do we go back to i'm okay with that two dollar do you want to go back to do let me let me pay for apps interesting i'm actually tired of this i like'm very tired of this. I sort... Every once in a blue moon when I'm like, I wonder what's going on in the app store. Which doesn't happen that often. I was going to say, not nearly as often as it used to happen.

I go directly to the paid store. Interesting. I don't want more free apps. I don't want more junk on my phone. I don't want to figure out in six months that they're doing something terrible. I don't want to deal on my phone. I don't want to figure out in six months that they're doing something terrible. I don't want to deal with the ads.

I don't want to deal with microtransactions. I don't want to deal with all this stuff. So basically, you're... Just let me pay for your thing. You're a grown-up with a job now. Sure. Because Luke I met nine years ago or whenever the heck it was,

he would have wanted the free app. He'd have been like, he'd have been like, I'm going to root my phone and I'm going i'm gonna turn off all the telemetry data that way see i'm gonna rob them of their location data and i'm gonna take the phone and then i would have gotten the paid that's right baby yeah that's the loop that's the loop that i fell in love with okay but i would have gotten the paid app oh okay so well okay what

if you couldn't what if you could get the free app but you could just hack out all of the advertising that would be fun and i'm i'm not i might still there might be a reason why i don't have to hunt for new apps all the time and i don't pay for disney plus not a ton has changed i mean i know that you're on my Google Play Music yep family Jake asked me like last night I think if I wanted to join him on like a title subscription or something and I was like no and he's like why I was like well I technically have it for free right now through Linus and he's like what and I'm like yeah don't worry about it's like well this one's higher quality and stuff do you want that I was like but

it's free right now I'm gonna go with that one I'm gonna have to kick you off it eventually okay so we don't we don't currently do IP logging okay but AJ says that we should but we would be auto cleansing the logs after a certain amount okay just make sure but we do partner with Cloudflare, who does. Okay. But we don't have that data. It's accessible to us through the Cloudflare dashboard. I see, okay.

But I'm pretty sure our terms of use wouldn't allow us to do anything with it. No, we don't sell it, we don't do any of that kind of stuff. But we do use it for very important things with websites. So that's exactly the problem that we're running into here, is that there are very important things that, as a consumer and as a business owner, I value that make it important to collect this personal information. But as a consumer, I don't want people just doing whatever they want with it. It's Wild West right now.

There's also issues with the, like, you can't sell it thing. Yeah. Because, like, if you look at something like Discord, they're like, oh, we don't sell that kind of stuff. But you look at who owns them. Yeah. And if they use it internally and with their partners, which is, I think, how they word it. I don't remember exactly. It's been a long time.

But they do say, like, we share it internally within our company. It's like, okay, so you're sharing it with Tencent, also known as a wild amount of companies. Like, okay, so where does the linking of companies thing stop the selling of data? Because you're not selling it. You might not sell the data, but you might sell the whole company. Sure, that too.

I don't have a solution. Spooky. In other news, we've got, I think, one more thing that we promised to get through with you guys. Apple, Amazon, and Google unite to create a universal smart home standard. Ikea's involved

too. So is Signify, which is Philips Hue and Samsung. You know what? There you go, whatever. If you wanna hear more about this, you can go watch it on Peplate. No way, right now? Yes!

Yes, good job, Jayden. That should not have worked. Oh, we didn't know. We're cutting it there. The Flowplane app is coming to the App Store. That should not have worked. It's on iOS. Or it's not yet, but it's coming to iOS. You're a monster.

That took way too much work. Oh, my goodness. If you weren't on my team... This was not my idea. I don't think I'd like you as much. I approved it, but it wasn't... This wasn't my idea. And I guess I knew about it.

I'm complicit. Yeah. So the Floatplane app will be on the App Store. Yes. That's all I'm saying. And it's... Yep, it'll be great. What is it, 24 hours? I don't know.

I don't have an iOS device on me right now. I'm going to take my iPhone home this weekend. It can take up to 24 hours before your app becomes available on the App Store. Unreal. before your app becomes available on the App Store. Unreal. Okay, so one thing that we will say is your login on iOS has to be a floatplane official login. Connected accounts will not work on the App Store yet.

They will come later. That's because Apple didn't want us to have external login methods if we didn't also have sign-in with Apple. Which is no problem. We will support that eventually. It's just going to take some work to get there, and they were not okay with the app being on the store if it didn't have that.

So once we support sign-in with Apple, which is going to take some work again, we will add in the other connected account sign in options. That being said, if you have a connected account sign in, you do also have a floatplane sign in. What you're going to need to do is log in on the main site on a different device or on your computer and request a password reset,

because it's garbly gook right now because you're using a connected account. Right. Set your password and then you can log in with the connected account or your native floatplane account. So you're totally fine. Just use your native floatplane login, and then we'll add that functionality later.

But, yeah, that's the only thing that's missing from the iOS version is the connected account login. You know what's cool? A lot of people have hated on the floatplane name, but for better or for worse, it's not taken. I search for floatplane on the App Store. If I search for, like, flashlight app, there's literally thousands,

thousands of results. Seven results. So this is flight plan, which I think will have no problem taking over once something actually called float plane is up. There's Fit Track, an aviation app that lets you track your flights in real time. Seaplane. Seaplane. Experience the thrill of flying your own seaplane as you take off and land on water. Fleetplan.

Fleetplan eDocs. DHC2 Beaver Sticker app. What even is that? And FitLogic. So, you know what? There you go. The advantage to picking something that everyone else thinks is kind of meaningless and stupid is that nobody else has done it yet yeah there's a there's a youtube

there's a guy that works on a youtube channel that i've been talking to for a little while now about some various things uh and he he was talking to me about how they they were performing a lot stronger than they are now um and a notable part of the reason is that a really big musician released a song with the same name as their channel. And now on YouTube, if you ever search it, it's just the song every time. And then all the remixes and covers of the song. And like with lyrics and everything else. Yeah. So like that sucks.

That sucks real bad. Yeah, what do you do at that point? They're in a really tough spot. Like it's pretty rough. Oh wow. And like that's probably not the only reason. There's other reasons. There could be other reasons. But that's definitely contributing. That's not helping. Yeah. I mean when people can't find your channel by searching for the name of the channel that's rough yeah yeah yeah so that that hurts um speaking of channels the the response to flowplane going into beta was huge uh this week's been nuts everyone at flowplane's done a great job um uh there was some crazy stuff that needed to be handled,

and it was handled very well, I think, internally. Good job, everybody. You're fantastic. We definitely did have some outages, but we're good. We figured it out. Yeah, we figured it out. Not necessarily, like, who should have. Oh, I didn't mean that. Oh, that.

You mean the C word company. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. And look, I'm not saying it's like a swear word. No. No, no. C word just is like, you know, a word. Yeah. Got a C in it. Yep.

It was a crazy week for a lot of very good reasons. One thing that was kind of fun. It's got an F in it. Yep. It was a crazy week for a lot of very good reasons. One thing that was kind of fun. It's got an F in it too. One thing that was kind of fun was a lot of users thought that they needed to apply to join the site as a user. So we got a lot of like dating app style applications because the creator application form has a tell me about yourself section which is more like tell me about the content you make etc but when it's a user signing up

it becomes like long walks on the beach etc that's adorable yeah that was that was kind of we could have messaged that better probably guys probably there was you know we're new to this stuff um still learning so i had to send out a lot of emails being like thanks a ton but here's Sorry, guys. Probably. There was, you know, we're new to this stuff. Still learning. So I had to send out a lot of emails being like, thanks a ton, but here's where I think you're probably trying to get to. So, yeah, sorry about the navigational issues there. But, yeah, it's been great.

We have actually a very large amount of really awesome creators have applied. That's, like, kind of overwhelming. Like, we thought when we started this that we were going to have to lean on like you know me building personal relationships with creators and then like being like hey by the way we like do this thing do you want to help us sort of

get it kick started by joining but actually the amount of positive buzz aside from the handful of very vocal haters on the project the amount of positive buzz that's from the handful of very vocal haters on the project, the amount of positive buzz that's going on behind the scenes, like the number of multi-billion dollar companies that are aware of what Luke and the team are doing and are like, hey.

What's going on over there? What's that? Oh, yeah. Interesting. It would blow your mind. It's kind of cool. Do you have any idea when that interview we did is going to go up? No.

Me neither. I should have asked. No idea. Yeah. That would be interesting. Yeah. That would be fun. Hopefully we don't look like idiots.

Or hopefully we do. And then we catch everyone by surprise with their pants down. Anyway, speaking of pants down, I've got to go home and take my pants off because I'm on vacation for a week. Don't worry, there will still be videos. And I'm not really on vacation. I have, like, I have to go visit all of my, like, four families because my family is a fractured, divided mess. But that's neither here nor there. You said cleaning your garage was vacation.

I think that still means that's vacation. No, cleaning my garage is pretty therapeutic. Okay. Okay. I'm not gonna dive into that anymore. Thanks for watching the show, everybody. See ya. Yeah, I did that once on vacation.

That was pretty good. Wow. That sounds terrible. I actually like that. Why would you do that? So then if I'm looking for a red piece, I can find once on vacation. That was pretty good. Wow That sounds terrible. I actually like why would you do that? So then I'm looking for a red piece I can find one See ya! Bye! Shows brought to you by Old Canada Supply. Display. Original wallet.