The WAN Show - Apple's $5000 Gaming PC? - WAN Show Jan 3, 2020

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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to the WAN Show. I was late because I was gaming in VR. That's it? That's it. That's the only excuse I have. That's it. That's all. But I was actually making a video about gaming in VR and it's really cool. So do you know about the latest updates to the Oculus? Okay. You know what? We'll talk about it later. Yeah. The Oculus Quest is even cooler now. We got subjects. Yeah, we got them topics. Those titles. Apple, rumored to be working on a $5,000 gaming machine. Necessary.

California's new data and privacy rights go into effect. And just, there's a Segway wheelchair thing, but it's not a wheelchair No, it's more of a chair on wheels. Yeah, if that looks like a throne on wheels. What else we got? also AirDrop for Android, but only for some Chinese brands and that's about it Okay. Yeah, we're definitely gonna want to chat about the Like cool stuff like the oculus quest updates. Yeah. Yeah. All right definitely gonna wanna chat about the, like, cool stuff, like the Oculus Quest updates and stuff. Yeah, yeah.

All right, let's roll that intro! And my keyboard. What about your keyboard? It's dead. No. The Team Liquid signed one? Wow. The cheapest man alive might have to actually replace a piece of hardware. I'm gonna try to fix it for the fit

Of course you are and the intro time brought to you by square states display and view sonic okay first of all guys i gotta address this comment i just saw in the chat wow linus is really warming up to VR since last year. I always liked VR. It was never a matter of me not liking VR. The issue was that VR had inaccessibility problems. And I said, I said in my Oculus Quest review that I never saw that coming. Like that degree of optimization, the amount of inside, the accuracy

of their inside out tracking i didn't see it coming and i had seen things already that led me to believe that it wasn't going to be possible by the way the wan show today is shot on red uh because i didn't even notice what all of our c200s are uh are heading down to ces so they're all packed up. It looks great. Yeah. Usually we shoot it on a C200, but, you know, if you notice the WAN show was looking real sharp today. We're live streaming on YouTube. How much is that one?

And Flowplane and Twitch. We paid $30,000 for that camera. Hey, Brandon, what's that lens worth? $3,000. It's a $3,000 lens, okay? You got like a, you know, $200 cable to attach the monitor for the camera over somewhere else, doesn't matter. The point is, let's talk about Apple's rumored

$5,000 gaming machine. So this was posted on the forum by William CLL and I'll give you guys the breakdown, then I'm sure we're gonna have a fair bit Of discussion about this one according to market rumors Apple plans to launch an eSports PC Next year with a unit price of up to five grand according to supply chain sources It may be a large screen all-in-one or a large screen gaming laptop. It's expected to be announced at WWDC next June laptop. It's expected to be announced at WWDC next June. Now, there are some reasons to be suspicious. There are some games like Rocket League, Fortnite, and World of Warcraft that do

work on Mac, but definitely not most. You can't get consumer GPUs from NVIDIA in Apple products. And that doesn't look like it's going to be clearing up anytime soon. NVIDIA just formally dropped CUDA support in macOS recently. I don't think that's a huge deal because it's probably not going to be a user replaceable GPU anyways. Yeah. Okay. That's true. But okay. You know what? Forget it. That's all the information that we really have. We don't know much. Yeah. We don't really. Okay. So maybe that is a big deal. We know that there are compatibility issues. Yes. But we also know that with Apple's push with the arcade and trying to get better games on the App Store, with Apple's recent push.

They seem to care more suddenly. They seem to care an awful lot about gaming, even if they aren't or haven't up until this point been willing to engage with gaming the way that gamers want to do it or the way that the rest of the industry does it. They could develop like a gaming launcher that has like containers set up to run games in it that aren't natively supported by Apple. They could do that.

People do that on Linux all the time. I wonder, yeah. Sup, Saki? Yeah, Proton, like Wine. Wine, yeah. But the problem with that... they could do that people do that on Linux all the time I wonder yeah yeah proton like wine wine yeah but the problem with that I've got a friend who I think it's his hobby to see like what he can force to work in Linux but would in terms of gaming okay hold on a second though but would that necessarily even be feasible for Apple like I know Steam is a big name that has worked on a compatibility layer.

Yeah. But I don't think... Maybe you can make me know something about this. I don't think they do it for everything. What are the legal ramifications of emulating someone else? Like if it's a DirectX

only title, are you allowed to just like I don't yeah I don't think that's a problem because you'd just be setting up a communication layer so that DirectX can like I mean DirectX would be an issue yeah I would think so and Microsoft

would have exactly zero motivation to facilitate this. There's a decent amount of games that can run with OpenGL, even if they are DirectX-based. Yeah, or Vulkan. But even Vulkan. I'm not aware of any Vulkan support for macOS.

Yeah, I don't know. That's going to be an issue. But I could see them doing something. And again, it's Apple So I would be very surprised if they even cared about making it compatible with all the yeah Maybe they just wouldn't care about you know your doom or your counter-strike or whatever the case may be maybe as long as they've got like FIFA they might care about counter-strike Because I bet you steam would work with them. I thought you steam would work with them, okay?

Yeah, the steam likes being like work with them. Okay, yeah. Because Steam likes being like all the platforms. Yeah, that's true. I mean, they were one of the first to really make even some kind of an effort to bring gaming to Apple. Back before Apple had clued into like that gaming was a multi-billion dollar a year industry. Yeah, I think they would probably try to get Dota. They would probably try to get Counter-Strike. Sure. Both of those games, Steam, Valve, I don't think big issue there.

I think they could get most of the big esports games. So let's move on in the discussion. And let's say, assuming then, that Apple gets the software compatibility figured out to the point where there are enough gaming experiences on the platform i mean they've shown that they're willing to dump in the kind of money like they did with their apple arcade where yeah like they will just basically hand gigantic sackfuls of money to game developers and say okay make a game we need we need games like bring bring it on we want games so they've shown a willingness to do that so let's let's assume that Apple manages to create, through partnerships or through just basically

buying game studio time, enough content for their platform. Let's talk about the hardware. Yeah. What could possibly make someone buy an Apple gaming machine? And let's approach it two different ways, okay? Let's start with the laptop. What could motivate you to buy an Apple gaming laptop?

I don't want to... Okay, motivating me to buy a gaming laptop in the first place is going to be really hard. Very recently, my Razer Blade just decided it doesn't have a battery anymore. I don't know why. They're pretty much all dying now. Yeah.

Yeah, like John's is dead. Okay. Dennis' screen flickers. At this point, it's kind of been a little while. It's been three years. I don't think that's really enough. That's fair. I mean, when I used to sell laptops,

I told people to expect only three years. Fair enough. And it is a gaming laptop. Right, so you're just not surprised because you are inherently biased against laptops. you know I don't I don't like gaming laptops I don't like that segment oh you're mic back my prompter remote oh nice I always expect gaming laptops to fail early I just fail hard yeah okay I worked in retail selling computers for a while and I just saw the not as long as but, like, I just saw the amount of failure in the gaming laptop segment.

Fair enough. And, like, failure in laptops in general was already really high. And I can tell you now that as a – even as a computer salesman when I was working, if people came in and they wanted to buy, like, a $3,000 gaming laptop, I would usually try to convince them to buy a basic laptop and a sick gaming rig. Yes, that's the exact move I tried to play. Because especially back then, remember I was working in the retail store in 2008, 2007. Back then, gaming laptops were a joke.

They've gotten a lot better. They have, and I will give them that for sure. they've gotten a lot better. They have in a way And I will I will give them that they've gotten a lot better. Yeah, but they used to be so okay They're big right now. They used to be Giant yeah, like you'd have to get these backpacks that had these massive compartment literally 20 minute battery You're playing a game like it was it was not a good time no My old bamboo laptop say say what you will, still works. That's true. And there was a guy who bought an Asus gaming laptop around the same time as me.

Before the end of that year of school, not the semester, but the year of school, his laptop was dead. And my laptop from that same time frame still works so like i just i don't know that's that's way too small of a sample size but like i just i would be way more interested if there was an external gpu fine let's go let's talk about the aio because personally i consider that to be more realistic anyway okay um oh like so you think it's gonna okay if it was gonna be something I think it's gonna be an AIO or it's gonna be both I don't think they just do a gaming laptop so gaming AIO from laptop from from Apple let's let's talk what kinds of specs we might expect there's no way that it's gonna to be HEDT because Intel doesn't even position those as gaming processors

or as gaming devices gaming processors anyway. So it'll be something, whatever the 10th gen equivalent of a 9900K is. So that's a $350 $400 processor. I promise soon, Nick. Sorry, let's get through this topic. So it's a $400

processor. You're going to need $ you know, a hundred bucks or a couple hundred bucks for some RAM. They're going to put a decent display on it. You know, Apple has dabbled in high refresh rate displays, like on the iPad Pro, for example. So I think they do a high refresh rate display. I think we don't get a Radeon Pro. I think we just get, you know, standard standard RX whatever graphics. Yeah. They'll have nice storage. It's going to be a few hundred dollars more.

It'll have fine storage. So I think Apple's actual parts cost ends up in the neighborhood of like, you know, two grand for what is effectively like a decent gaming rig. And then remember too, if it's going to top out at five grand, it probably starts at around $3,500. So they could make a healthy margin on something like that. Up to five grand. Okay. Yeah. Up to five grand. And I'd imagine that's with like a ton of RAM and a ton of storage. So it'll have kind of crummy specs for the price, assuming that they target around $3,500 starting price.

If they do $2,999, it might not even be that bad. It'll have, say what you will about Apple's reliability and customer support. It'll have Apple's reliability and customer support. It'll have a color-accurate, probably very high-quality display. And it'll, like, perform fine. So this, I wonder if this would revive the segment of, like, kids convincing their parents to buy a computer because it's cool for them, too,

which, like, I think hasn't really been a thing for a while. Oh, interesting. So, you know what? If you need a new computer, dad, then this Mac can do... Get this one. You can do really cool design work on it or whatever. So let's fire up Apple's website here because maybe, honestly, maybe we're overthinking this. Maybe it's just a matter of going to Apple.com, finding a Mac.

Yeah. So here, where's the iMac? Because it's not going to be iMac Pro. That's ATDT. Excuse me, that's Workstation, but basically the same business, different pile. Okay, let's buy an iMac. Did you guys finish working on it in time?

What? Did you return the... No, we're stuck with it for now. Oh! Okay. Okay. So... Would you return the no we're stuck with it for now Okay, okay So the starting prices yeah, yeah, so pretty much. I mean the If they if they just bumped the graphics card right so instead of a Radeon pro 580 X we get like You know

pro 580x we get like uh you know 5700 or something like that maybe that actually only puts us to 2500 so what do we get we get eight gigs of ram we get a two terabyte fusion drive we get a core i5 six core processor um we get maybe not a retina 5k display maybe we get like because remember apple has like custom timing controllers and stuff so they could potentially do 4k 120 hertz or maybe even higher maybe they do 4k 240 hertz for all i know or whatever yeah um we get a couple of thunderbolt 3 ports i mean is that a terrible gaming computer that mom can also you know know, look up her Facebook and, you know, her iMovie or whatever? But it'll do more than fine in basically all eSports games right now. So they put a space gray, you know, they put a dark chassis on it. Yep.

Put like, I don't know if Apple would ever do like a lighting effect. I don't think so. Maybe they do like a cool backing on it maybe they update the id they do lighting effects because they light up the apple logo yeah but that's like back when that was cool now it's not cool anymore they haven't done that in a while okay it's been it's been a hot minute since they've done that yeah so it would be kind of cool if they brought it back and it was rgb and remember here's another thing this gaming mac basically all they have all you have to change about a computer to make it gaming is put a decent graphics card in it.

Yeah. We all know that. So this gaming Mac, all they have to do is update the ID a little bit. Maybe they put a better graphics card in it to start. Maybe they don't even. Maybe they just start at 580X. It's not like it's incapable of gaming. Yeah, yeah.

And then even if you wanted to run Windows-only games, it's not like boot camp isn't a thing that exists. Ooh, I don't think they'd do that. No, like it wouldn't go by default or anything. Oh, as a user. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like it's not like you can't do that. So they could could with a straight

face say hey we built all these partnerships you can play all these games the performance is you know what however much better than the non-gaming mac because that's definitely the comparison they'd want to draw and it starts at only24.99 for a gaming computer with the monitor, with everything. It's all included. It's ready to rock. It's got a 200 hertz refresh rate, 4K display for the greatest graphics. Here's a bit of an interesting question too.

Peripherals. iMac, they always give you mouse and keyboard. What would an Apple gaming keyboard look like? Does anyone on Apple's design team game? always give you mouse and keyboard what would an apple gaming keyboard like is that like does anyone on apple's design team game like do they venture out of their own cavities to see what you know the rest of the world is doing i mean i realize i must be generalizing it's just everyone apple just has a way of making sure that everyone who actually is public facing has their nose so far up their own butt that you just like you can't take them seriously as like actual people.

Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of true. Like I just I have a hard time imagining. I design. All I have ever done in my entire life and all I ever do in my free time is design. I live and breathe design. It's like, okay.

Okay. Yeah, sure. Yeah, I don't know. I think the peripherals would be very interesting. I would be kind of surprised if they just shipped standard ones. And like watching Apple's upper brass talk about gaming. It's like, have you ever even played like competitive gaming

not phone gaming because I don't even remember what it's called at this point but their mobile phone gaming thing which one just the service arcade that's an overly simple name that I can't believe I forgot but anyways Apple Arcade I could see them talking about that

yes casual normie gaming Yeah, I just never then when they talk about things like augmented reality And they bring up like they bring up game developers to do these demos. They're kind of like Cool like it looks like it looks like my you know my grandpa trying gaming for the first time like I just it just It had it's not credible. So I just, I have, they must have people internally who get it. I mean, Anand works there.

Like, of Anand Tech. There's going to be, they're a big enough company. There's going to be enough people there that get it. But, like. Who's making the actual decisions? Exactly. That's the tough thing yeah uh i mean maybe what we end up do we end up with like a magic mouse that's like lower latency because

apple has like they have so much engineering resources at their disposal that if apple did a gaming pc i believe they could do a great gaming pc. I mean, you look at the way that they improved the latency over Bluetooth on their devices. It's like, wow, you guys actually do something with the R&D money that you spend. They spend huge money on R&D. But if all we got was a Magic Mouse that's lower latency and black or something.

I just know way back, even in the keyboard head community, there was a certain amount of respect for the Apple desktop keyboards. Yeah, I think that's, okay, that respect, I think sometimes you respect what you're used to. Sure, but like. They're not amazing. From quite a ways back, if you were going for pure typing speed, a lot of people used them.

Okay, that's true. Really short travel, laptop style. That's the one you're talking about, right? Yeah. Okay, fair enough. I'm not necessarily saying on the gaming side of the keyboard enthusiast community, but purely typists, a lot of them really liked the old desktop but laptop style

Apple keyboards. And it was a really solid keyboard. They could do something cool. I just I don't know. I'm being very hopeful they could very likely screw it up. They could also just pull an Apple and decide that they're going to dictate

the terms of how gaming computers are made instead of listening to customer feedback. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I think the pricing could end up being reasonable because in Apple's lower end products, like things like the Mac Mini,

the Mac Mini starting price is not unreasonable. Like we just picked up another Mac Mini, we've got a new designer starting and they're a Mac person and I'm like, yeah, Mac Mini, like kind of awesome. It's like around a thousand dollars to start US. Jaden likes them. It's got like fine enough specs.

You can get it with 10 gig LAN if that's important to you. Like if you're working with large files over the network or whatever else. Like it's like kind of all the Mac computer I could ever need. Like if you want to run the OS, it's a great entry level. And, I mean, even the iMac is not entirely unreasonable for a high-quality 27-inch display, Core i5.

Like, oh, Fusion Drive, that's pretty gross. Every computer should have an SSD in this day and age. There's a couple things on here that, like, they're almost certainly going to have an i7 option. Yeah. The RAM's a little low. Yeah. I'm sure they're going to have an i7 option. Yeah. The RAM's a little low. Yeah. I'm sure they're going to have an NVMe drive option.

I could see it starting around $2,500 or $3,000 with specs that are not embarrassing. Yeah. And if they figure out a couple of Apple differentiating points, like that it has a super high refresh rate 4K display or something, then I think there's a case to be made for It or have some really cool name for it some really cool exclusive titles or something like that they might get away with it

Moving on to our next topic for the day Oh actually moving on to some LTT store updates do we have is Nick was holding something Yes, yes, sorry. Sorry Nick is Nick was holding something. Yes, yes, sorry, sorry, Nick. Hey, what's up, dude? So LTT Stealth hoodie is back in stock in every size. RAM T-shirt is back in stock. Processor is back in stock.

What's the one that's coming? GPU is coming next week. Yeah. And we have a new design that's coming next week that I was actually supposed to wear on the show today. No, that's good, we didn't wear it, it's fine. Oh. Wear it next week.

Should I not talk about it? Well, wear it next week when we have it. Oh yeah, wear it next week when we have it. Oh, it's not on the show today. No, that's good. We didn't wear it. It's fine. Oh. Wear it next week. Should I not talk about it? Well, wear it next week when we have it. Oh, yeah. Wear it next week when we have it. Oh, it's not on the store. Okay, fine.

We should totally show this to see if people like it. All right, all right. You're unconvinced. Nick and I are having a bit of a debate right now. We designed team shirts for our staff to wear at CES.

Okay. They ended up being kind of cool, but I think they're kind of corporate looking. And so I said, look, I think they're kind of corporate. I don't think it makes sense to sell them. And Nick said, if people like it, why shouldn't we sell it? Without seeing it yet, I will say, the shirts that are often very, very sought after,

definitely from me, are any form of, like, staff or crew shirt. It doesn't say staff or crew, though. No, I know, but if it looks, like, really official, it could be. I don't know. All right, I'll show it to you. I'll show it to you first and then the audience. And I just want to get your reaction first. Okay, so that's the front.

Okay. That's the back. Oh, your reaction first. Okay, so that's the front. Okay. That's the back. Oh wow, okay. Okay. Out of 10. Six. All right, okay. So we'll take your guys' feedback now.

There's the front. I will also say the only reason why I'm giving it like a 6 is because I think stuff like GPU and and especially like processor are so cool. Right. See, that's the thing is, I don't think it has the sex appeal, but we'll take the audience's feedback. We should straw poll it, one out of 10. The entire chat is World War III. So thank you all for that.

Thanks, great, cool. Rate the shirt. Yeah. One. All right, Luke's setting up a straw poll, guys. We're shirt. Yeah. One. All right, Luke's setting up a straw poll, guys. We're setting up a straw poll. In the meantime, I'm gonna move on to our next topic here. Bugs shirts, they're cool.

Yep, thanks, Nick. Yeah, I think it's pretty tepid, Nick. All right. Based on YouTube chat anyway. I'll have a look at Flowplane. They tend to be a little more charitable. Ooh, 4, 4, 6, 6, 7 to 8. No 10 out of 10, though, ladies and gentlemen. 5, 6, 7, 5, 7.

Okay, Flowplane got the poll. I'm going to Twitch now, then I'm going to YouTube soon. All right, all right. We'll see how they feel after they see it during all of our CS content. Yeah. That honestly might pump it a little bit more. Yeah. All right.

So this was posted by Delicieux on the forum. California's new data and privacy rights go into effect. So in the absence of strong national legislation, California has enacted a landmark privacy law known as the California Consumer Privacy Act or CCPA which went into effect two days ago on January 1st it was passed unanimously in June 2018 and it's the first law in the US to set up a comprehensive set of rules around consumer data kind of like the EU's GDPR it applies to any company that operates in California and either makes at least 25 million in annual revenue, gathers data on more than

50,000 users, or makes more than half of its money off of user data. So basically, it's not designed for your little tiny startups that are just getting off the ground. It seems like it's firmly targeting firms that are kind of, they've got their stuff together. They can afford to follow this law. So for California residents, it creates a handful of new rights over their data,

notably the right to know and the right to say no. So users can see what data companies have gathered about them, have that data deleted, and opt out of those companies selling it to third parties from now on. So here's an example. If you're reading a Wired.com article from a California IP address,

you'll see a pop-up with a big button reading, Do not sell my personal information. So we make a VPN company exclusively with servers in California. It's not actually a terrible business idea. I mean, you could just use any other VPN and just use a California server. No, no, no, no, no, no. Minor details, Luke. So anyway, if you click that button,

it's not like Wired was going to immediately sell your data there. No one is just giving them cash in exchange for user data But they track your behavior what articles you read for how long etc On where calm using cookies and that information can go to a third-party vendor like Google Adsense which combines it with similar data from Other sites to create a user profile for you that advertisers can target So, you know how that shoe ad can follow you all over the web That's how that shoe ad can follow you all over the web. That's how that works. So if you ask Wired.com to stop selling your data,

you won't get those types of ads from them anymore, and your browser history on Wired won't factor into the types of ads you see elsewhere. Now, right now there's no enforcement. That's going to start on July 1st, and the final regulations haven't been released, so it's an open question as to whether the enforcement will be robust enough for the law to actually make an impact for anyone to actually stop doing this right it grants californians the right to sue companies for failing to take reasonable precautions to prevent data breaches though um and also make sure that companies comply with the oh

and making sure that companies comply with the ccpa is the sole province of the attorneys which is indicated it will only have the bandwidth to bring a handful of cases each year at a certain point web companies are gonna have to have Departments that are entirely dedicated to complying with all the different Consumers all over the world and every different state and every different province. I'm not saying this is a bad thing This actually sounds wonderful. But like- We're already running into this with taxation on Flowplane.

We're running into this with everything on Flowplane. Yeah. Just the amount of like different angles, different new laws are coming from, like it's tough. And like it's not pointed towards startup, whatever. You still have to be ready for it.

Yep. And honestly, 50,000 users, like $25 million revenue or over half of your revenue coming from user data, those ones make a ton of sense to me. 50,000 users is not a lot. Yeah, the other two make sense. Especially when you're doing a big user drive

where you're making your service free to use at first. You know, like Dropbox did way back in the day. Like you had a lot of really great features in Dropbox and on the free tier. And now it's not anymore. It's much more locked down because they've established themselves. And so, you know, to me, 50,000 users,

you know, you could do a soft launch and have 50,000 users overnight. And that doesn't necessarily mean, like you're in scramble mode figuring out everything else at that point. How do you define a user? That's way too vague in my opinion. Interesting.

Go on. Is it someone who visited the website at all? They technically use the website. If they scrolled at all, does that count as using? Does going to the website at all count as using? Do they have to have an account? Do they have to pay? Like what defines a user?

Right. I mean, it sounds to me... How do you differentiate? Like, you could nuke... You could, like, bot traffic nuke a site with this. Right. Ah, 50,000 users. There you go.

You're screwed. Blah. And then, you know, sue them for using the data or something. I see what you mean. So, like, it's... What. So how do you define that? Too vague. Don't like it. What would you do differently, though?

I like the idea. Yeah. I like the idea. Well, remove the users thing. Make it revenue or whatever the other one was. The first two that we liked. Yeah, like over half of your revenue coming from user data. Yeah, sure.

Nuke that. What was the other metric? Over a certain amount of money. Over $25 million a year revenue. Both of those sound great because user data. Yeah, sure. Nuke that. What was the other metric? Over a certain amount of money. It was over $25 million a year revenue. Both of those sound great because if you're making that much money, then you can figure this out. Well, yes and no.

Because you could be doing $25 million a year revenue, but that doesn't necessarily mean, in the Silicon Valley model, you're not necessarily making any money. True, but if you're cycling that much through, you probably have the dev horsepower to make this this doesn't sound way too complicated i mean really the thing though too is that it's not just dev like you said it's going to come down to also needing to keep track

yeah of all these different regulations and when you could be dealing with like if the attorney general's office is already saying they're only going to be able to bring a handful of cases a year like they're basically saying they're only going to be able to bring a handful of cases a year, like, they're basically saying they're going after the whales. Yeah. I mean, what if one of the usual suspects, you know, your Facebook and Facebooks and Googles of the world, what if they don't do anything? And what if they make it all the way down the list to someone who isn't ready for it? Who this isn't really designed for.

Who doesn't have a gigantic legal department. I don't know. If you are making a bunch of your revenue off of selling user data, then I don't really feel that bad. I'm just going to be completely honest. If there's anything that we've learned from our dealings with the CRA, a lot of the time when you're dealing with a government agency, it just, the spirit of the loss doesn't

matter at all yeah like it just they just don't even care you go well like hold on back up this was designed for scenario x and here are the ways in which what's going on here is very very different from that and therefore it doesn't make sense don't care and They just don't care so maybe the way that this law was designed to go after companies that Really are just out there harvesting user data and making money off of it Maybe it was designed for that, but maybe they end up grabbing someone who has 50,000 users and is just like barely scraping by or whatever and they end up like going under that's why I like the idea I'm concerned about the execution but I like the idea and here's

the thing guys is that you might say okay well the real solution is for there to be enough of this legislation that's robust enough that collecting users data and using it to advertise to them is just going to go away. I can tell you right now unequivocally that that will destroy the internet as you know it. A banner ad on a website without any of the kind of performance metrics and tracking and effectiveness that Facebook and Google have effectively used to drive value for their business and for their customers is worth basically nothing now, like nothing so every website you use every content creator that you view pretty much wouldn't exist without the evolution of advertising that has taken place on the web

and we're not saying whether or not you're okay with that you might you might be you might be totally okay with that but it will change the landscape of the internet. Whether you think that's good or bad is entirely up to you. With that said, I mean, doomsayers have said things like that before. I mean, about things like Adblock. Adblock still hasn't destroyed the internet as you know it. Unless, I mean,

journalism's taking a bit of a beating. Yeah. Adblock has, I would argue that Adblock has substantially changed the internet. You see that scary stuff where China is now state subsidizing news agencies in other countries? Like creating their own Chinese-backed news agency that just operates like any other news agency, except they don't have to worry about making money because they're just backed by the Chinese government. It's interesting.

Isn't RUTV that, but Russian? Well, it's different. I don't know anything about it. State-sponsored media within a country is a thing in a lot of places. You've got your RUTV, you've got your Chinese state media, your North Korean state media, your Fox News, you got your whatever. Just kidding your North Korean state media, your Fox News. You've got your whatever. Just kidding. I know Fox News is technically independent.

But this is different. This is China actually building news companies, like news agencies, on other countries' soil and just, like, making sure that they don't run out of money effectively so it's a it's a it's going to be a fascinating way for them to control the narrative um anyway uh what else we what else one quick thing yeah sure let's jump back to the shirt oh yeah right okay luke's Here we go. These are the results. So that's a solid five. When you got five, four, six, and seven in the top four results,

basically nobody really likes it. So you've got the charitable 6% that are giving it a 10. You've got the more honest, you you know 50 votes that gave it a nine and then most people are just like yeah all right cool actually uh speaking of you know making sure that at least more people voted 10 than one You know, making sure that... At least more people voted 10 than 1. Yeah, I guess that's something. Hey.

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Check it out today at the link in the video or podcast description. Are you done sponsors now? Yes. Just before we move on. Yes. One of the reasons I wanted to bring up the keyboard thing is because in diagnosing my keyboard, I was taking it apart and I was trying to look up the brand of lube that I recommended way back in the day for lubing your switches.

So I looked up my old key cap replacement guide and in looking that up, I figured out that you guys did a wash your keyboard in the dishwasher video. We did. You missed a couple things. Oh, what did we miss? The lube.

Missed the lube. If you wash your keyboard in the dishwasher. Oh yes, yes, yes, yes. Actually there was more left on it than you'd think. Oh, okay. Yeah, we did check for that. We should have mentioned it, though. We should have specifically called it out.

What else did we get wrong? There is also... Oh, because we didn't run it hot. If we had run it hot, for sure the lube would have melted. Do you have, like, heat determining things on your dishwasher? Yeah. Does everyone have that? I don't know.

I don't think so. I've specifically mentioned it in the video, though, that I ran it on cold. Okay. Or at least I did in the footage. I don't know I don't think so I've specifically mentioned it in the video though Okay, I ran it on cold okay, or at least I did in the footage I don't know I don't remember that but I didn't like I wasn't fine-tooth combing it alright And then there I mean there's a few things like the you probably didn't have distilled water going through your dish Well, no, I didn't yeah, that would be better They all survived they did didn't yeah that would be better they all survived they did and i know i appreciate that you did more than one i will that was did a bunch that was cool i do appreciate that but you could still get minerals from the water and then you could um there even i know you the pbt does have a very

low melting point and i'm happy you pointed that out because no one should do that. But even ABS plastics can warp. That's true. We didn't have any warpage though. I, yeah. We also specifically ran it on cold for that reason. Yeah. So I don't know. But the lube was the main one I wanted to put. Okay. Yes. We should have called that out. We were lucky though, in that our configuration and our test run, we didn have there is there is i do

know of plenty of people that have done it it's been fine right but there are just some like i've never heard of these risks before going i've never heard of anyone actually killing one i've seen uh warped plastics that would be bad but i've never i've never actually heard of anyone say their keyboard straight up died from it so So, yeah. All right. There's just a couple more things that we have to chat about. LTX 2020, save the date, August 7th and 8th. Oh, the new site is live. Okay, well, we ended up talking about that anyway, but at any rate, there it is.

I'm excited. LTX 2020, August 8th and 9th, Vancouver Convention Center. We're going to be in the big newer side this year. It's 7th and 8th, and then you said 8th and 9th. Oh, wait. It's 8th and 9th. It's 8th and 9th. Oh, crap. 8th and then you said 8th and 9th. Oh wait. It's 8th and 9th. Oh crap. 8th and 9th! 8th and 9th!

In the doc it says 7th and 8th. LTX! August 8th and 9th! Featuring DreamHack once again. Super excited. It's gonna be awesome. We've got a whole bunch of information on the site that's been updated except for that transportation might have information. Yay! There you you go there's good stuff there so yep

yeah guys want to see you there we had a great it was really awesome show last year i think it's we've got some amazing booth ideas for this coming year von do you remember any of the new ones can i just like tease a couple of them? What was that stage challenge? Oh, okay, so this one, I had suggested that we have two PCs where there's something wrong with each of them. Yes, yes, yes.

So an onstage PC diagnosis face-off. Is the same issue? Yeah. The idea is the first post. Yeah. First post. That's pretty cool. So that's going to be really fun.

Got a lot of really great panel ideas. We're going to be inviting a whack ton of creators. If you guys haven't heard from me yet, it's because I haven't sent emails yet. Don't worry. I will send out emails. I was very excited last year, and I was pretty sure I was going to enjoy it more than PAX,

and then I did by massive amounts, and that makes me way more excited for this year. Please come say hi. This year is going to be freaking awesome. I'm super stoked. All right. And then I also got a pimp, Carpool Critics. So we are experimenting with a podcast.

Purely podcast. It's called Carpool Critics. You can find it at... Which, by the way, the floatplane traffic when you launch a video that says we're leaving floatplane is crazy. We did? Yep. The Carpool Critics we're going to be

going to podcast only thing was titled, We're Leaving Floatplane. So everyone got a notification, Linus Tech Tips, We're Leaving Floatplane. That was awesome. The traffic spike was huge. Okay, then. It was a little misleading, but you know.

I think he's facepalming because that was not supposed to happen. I don't know if he cleared that, but I didn't clear that. Yeah, I didn't clear that. Yeah, there's a few people in the comments being like wow really clickbaity, but you know it was cool for us to see yeah Also, I don't see why they shouldn't just keep uploading it there anyway. Yeah, so okay We're also gonna be releasing the audio only post guys, but yeah Okay, when are you guys gonna be done that feature? I don't know okay? Okay, when are you guys going to be done that feature?

I don't know. Okay, well. Okay, so it's on Twitter, at Carpool Critics. You can head to carpoolcritics.libson.com to get all the deets about it. And basically, it's Riley, James, and David are kind of the core cast, but I would expect them to rotate in and out and have some other people in there.

They're going to be talking about old movies, new movies, just kind of movie-related stuffs. It's available on apple podcasts google podcasts pocket casts spotify and more and uh i was gonna say i know you have negative time but i was hoping you were going to be on the the rise of skywalker one i honestly i think so we we went saw it together, and then we ended up sitting in his car in the parking lot. I said five minutes. We ended up talking for about an hour just because we both had so much to unpack. Very many thoughts. I'm just spamming chat with Carpool Critics links here.

Oh, cool. I'll get the others. I haven't actually watched the Carpool Critics episode on Rise of Skywalker yet. I just don't know how much I can. Yeah, I'll get the, um, I haven't actually watched the carpool critics episode on rise of Skywalker yet. I don't, I just don't know how much I can. Yeah. I, I don't know.

They had already recorded it by the time I saw the movie. Oh, cause they went and saw it on release day. Um, and honestly, I doubt that I would have had much to contribute because they seem to have all had pretty much the same. They seem to have all seen the same movie that I did now.

Okay. We're, oh man, do I have time to go off on a short Star Wars tangent? Is the building locked? Like, can you lock the building while I, okay. All right, so I took a lot of flack because I ranted at the end of TechLinked about some of my issues with Rise of Skywalker with one of the big ones being, spoiler alert. It's still not really a spoiler, but it's a small spoiler. Okay, so one of my main issue with,

it's hard to say main issue. One of my main issues with Rise of Skywalker being this, just pulling new force abilities out of, you know, a drawer or your butt or a pocket whenever you need one in order to solve a problem. And I took a lot of flack for people saying, well, actually, if you read the comics and watched all the shows. No, no, hold on, hold on. If you read all the comics and watched all the shows, you would know that there are established times,

like Force Healing was established here and Force this was established there and blah blah blah blah blah blah so my problem with all of that is that oh oh right and one of the one of the most like qed mfr what posts was well it's always been that way in a new hope moving things around with the force doesn't exist it's only this um ability to be superhumanly reactive so so better reflexes and to to know so to know what's going to happen before it's going to happen we can communicate over long distances and with the dead um it guides us it's a it's a mystic thing it binds the galaxy galaxy together. And that was really about it. And then early in Empire, so this was their like, um, actually, you know, when Luke grabs his lightsaber with the Force,

that's pulling Force abilities out of his butt. And then there's Return of the Jedi when there's Force lightning out of the butt. And then you've got, you know, the prequel trilogy where they pull lots of Force things out of their butt. Okay, here's my response to that. All of that made sense because in a new hope obi-wan really he's like an old man and like you look at him trying to fight vader like he's barely even standing at this point okay so the fact that he doesn't still you know do double flips or whatever you could you could kind of

make an argument there luke is still learning how to use it He's a novice you can introduce new force abilities with Luke Skywalker throughout the original trilogy without it being a continuity error or or Breaking the rules of the of the galaxy that they've you know laid out at all as for the prequel trilogy with the exception of just Phenomenally stupid things like r-D2 suddenly having a jetpack, like when it comes to Force abilities, well yeah, you've got literal like gigantic schools dedicated to studying the Force. All of that knowledge was like lost and stuff. Of course they could do stuff that didn't exist anymore later. i had a bigger issue and we talked about this i had a

bigger issue with magnitude okay but okay we can we can yeah sure that too so it ties into magnitude though yeah no so here we are we're in the future where all that knowledge was like lost and stuff and all those users were lost and then then there was this period where, no, the entire force did not concentrate itself into one individual. Okay, so that didn't happen. And then we're like 20, 30 years in the future, and we're still pulling new abilities out of our butt, even though all those many, many generations, for thousands of years,

the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice thousands of years we lost all that but now within a couple of decades we've got you know jedi masters suddenly being like oh yeah sure like i'm a jedi master or whatever even though i like didn't finish my jedi knight training so however that works and like I just it drove me nuts because even if you've got these comic books and you've got these shows the videos that have established this stuff you haven't established how Ray ended up being able to do it the only reason why I'm not chipping in more I know we can't stay here forever yeah I was just explaining for people watching.

I don't know. It drives me crazy because it takes all the stakes out of a conflict or out of a problem. When you know that just, I don't know, like, Trey the Force or something. I watched a video recently on it, and I thought his explanation was pretty solid. It was actually a video about the Clone Wars animated series, because they're releasing a new season soon. I'm really excited about that. And they went off and said, like, okay, so the original series is the foundation of your house.

Right. The prequels, it's kind of like the door and some of the fence, the siding, some of the stuff on the outside. The Clone Wars animated series is like the structural beams inside the house. And then Disney's series is like the you live, you laugh, you love sign on the wall. Okay. And I just thought that was great. I just really liked that analogy.

It was really good. Like, it's pretty. It's a nice, it looks, the calligraphy is perfect. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I don't think that they could have, I don't know how I would have fixed it. That's the bottom line.

By the time you're on that one, you're just kind of screwed. And this is something we... This is something we talked about. The pacing of the movie was terrible because they were trying to tie up two entire random series of events worth of movies. Random events and random characters. Utterly meaningless events and meaningless characters. And they're just trying to tie it all up in one movie,

and then also stuff has to happen in that movie. Kylo Ren is a terrible villain. His arc is just terrible and boring. I mean, you know what? I had a disagreement with, I think it was either David or Riley, about, spoiler alert, about bringing back Emperor Palpatine. They were like, that was the worst thing they did in the movie. Palpatine, okay.

Palpatine, whatever, I don't care. So they said that was the worst thing they did in the movie. And I said, I think it was one of the smartest things they did in the movie because they had no villain with any gravity whatsoever. Who is it be no one it's not snoke yeah he's gone so what what could they possibly do and there's been interviews um like george lucas apparently told uh ian mcdermid i can't i can't remember i don't know how to pronounce his name whatever he told the actor that plays emperor palpatine that he was dead when he when he got thrown down the shaft in return of the jedi and so he was like oh i was surprised to like be alive again and stuff but

like what else could they possibly do yeah yeah i uh it was a mess i think bringing palpatine back was fine i didn't i didn't have very many issues with that part of it him being back in general wasn't a huge issue for me his like god lightning yeah so I'm not well enough to walk on my own but

like one minute later you know no problem I hated how how important lightsabers were. Yep. Lightsabers should be super cool, but they should be a conduit. Yeah, they don't have power. They're just a laser sword.

Han Solo can wield one. Like, what? They're like... What? It would have made more sense to me if Ray had just like gotten Force lightning zapped and then just like blasted it back at him or something that would have made more sense than like No, but one lightsaber is not enough to stop a force lightning attack But two not to mention that it's from some guy that just disabled the entire sky Like what are you talking about? But two, not to mention that it's from some guy that just disabled the entire sky. Like, what are you talking about?

Like, yeah. Mace Windu blocks it. Like, if you're a 10-year-old. But there's. Yeah, that was, like, super badass when Ray was, like. But that's it. It's like it was written by a 10-year-old for a 10-year-old. It's like they had kids in the schoolyard. Like, remember what it was like when you're in elementary school and you're like, oh man,

like, wouldn't it be cool if like you had like a jet plane, but it like was like so big and then it like hit the school and it like blew up like the whole block, but no one was there and we just didn't have to go to school for a week. That's how much sense the action sequences in Star Wars Rise of Skywalker make. And I think there's like, okay, yeah, so Mace Windu blocks Force lightning with his lightsaber,

but you can tell it's taking an extreme amount of force to hold it back. And I think there might be a little bit of like Palpatine was letting him because he wanted Anakin to have the moment. Yeah. Because that was an extremely important moment. Mace Windu even sees the shatter point of that moment,

but he thinks it's him taking down Palpatine. He doesn't think it's Anakin interrupting because he doesn't know why the shatter point's there. Anyways, yeah, no one cares. All right. I think that's pretty much all I have to talk about. The Segway chair, it looks terrible. I mean, Segway's not even Segway.

Why isn't it just a wheelchair? They got bought by, like, whoever. So here there's a bunch of questions. I don't know. Why don't you just put a wheel on the front? They put wheels on the back just in case it rocks backwards. Like, what? I don't know, dude.

So, yeah, it's a self-balancing egg-shaped two-wheeler so you can cruise around it it goes almost 40 kilometers an hour okay instead of being driven by leaning it uses a joystick on the right hand side of the seat so you're basically like Professor Xavier I guess but you don't actually hover the self-balancing technology will always keep the chair level. The two-wheel setup will allow for quick changes in direction, even while stopped. And there are three more small wheels visible on the underside of the chair

for presumably moving it around while the motors aren't on. It was apparently inspired by the gyrosphere from Jurassic Park, and it's for sale to the public in 2021. No word on cost. Where would you park it? Like, where would you... How would you... Yeah? Like where would you how would you? Yeah, so okay

Segway was acquired by rival 9-bot in 2015. Yeah, that's that's who acquired them They had previously actually tried to get 9-bots knockoffs banned from the US So that was apparently the solution to that yay for you know Someone in chat said Ray had the power of every Jedi insider. So did Luke. So. Yeah, and also that's just stupid and makes no sense. Someone also said that Mace Windu used the power of the dark side. Yeah, Vap had whatever.

That's not the point. I hear you though. It's cool. Made his character very cool all right missed him in uh it's the first time i can watch the live stream thanks for watching sorry guys i can only do the top ones this week because i really need to go steve says i'm a maintenance planner learning to do coding for creating algorithms for ai to auto schedule maintenance for a 1 million square foot manufacturing facility basically planning myself out of a job any openings um i don't know what we would do with your skill set but that sounds sweet um

chris says got my valve index thanks to your recommendation a few weeks ago super happy with it as always your videos are great um video thought projects with raspberry pi i mean think about raspberry pi is this like what video project isn't a Raspberry Pi project? So it's kind of hard. Riveus says, sorry for the incessant super chats. It's my first time catching you live in the years I've followed. Thanks for all the education, entertainment, and companionship. Oh, you're very welcome.

Gap to Granny. Have you checked out DJI's new first-person view goggles? No, I haven't. Also got the float plane beta shirt fits wonderful nice beta squadron for life and oh speaking of float plane uh okay sorry guys that's all i can do speaking of float plane um 4k things yep 4k 4k yearly subscriptions i don't think i put yearly prices in for the standard one did i i think you did okay cool so you didn't do the yeah anyways so guys you can subscribe at 4k quality i think it's 10 bucks a month or 100 a year um and then

5 and 50 yep and it looks freaking awesome how are the servers holding up did you okay because we got new creators on too don't we yep how many videos did you guys get uploaded like upload a lot yep yep yep yep there's two different creators that have uploaded at least 40 videos already. Sweet. And how's it going? It's going all right. It's going okay. You seem guarded.

There was some problems, but it is going all right. The problems were addressed very quickly. The team's been doing great. Honestly, everyone on the team has been awesome this week. Everyone is very responsive. Dan got to flex his abilities a this week. Everyone is very responsive. Dan got to flex his abilities a little bit more. Customer care superpowers.

Yeah. A little bit more than he normally gets to. But yeah, everyone did awesome. Yugi swooped in and saved two different situations while the call with the creator was live, which was awesome. That was really cool. Yeah, it was awesome. That was really cool. Yeah, it was great. Great week for Footplant.

I won't keep you guys way too long. All right. Thanks, guys. See you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Ravius says, my face went one of four super chats red. Sorry. That's two of five now.