The WAN Show - APPLE'S AUTONOMOUS CAR - WAN Show Sept 6, 2019

Episode Date: September 9, 2019

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We're live! Welcome to the WAN Show, ladies and gentlemen. The show that didn't start on time because I was busy starting my other thing late. But I'm also quite impressed at how not late it is. I was expecting starting at like 5.45. I went upstairs and started to work. I'm not really... I was like, alright, let's settle in for the winter What video sounded good stream sounded good yeah No, I thought it was a good stream so we were so a Seuss made an overclocked

well not overclocked, but it has like a bin version of the Snapdragon 855 phone and Postpone phone and stupid bios update again postpone check this thing out this is like a phone a thick boy phone for thick boys yeah that's like that takes a bit to reach to the top 6000 mAh battery wow check out the smoothness

of the screen though it's heavy oh it's nice I noticed that right away what refresh rate do you think it's running oh boy I noticed that right away. What refresh rate do you think it's running? Oh, boy. He doesn't follow this stuff, so it's like I can actually quiz him on things. 120? Yeah. Oh.

120 OLED. I genuinely didn't know at all, just because, yeah, I don't follow it. It's pretty, like, oh, man, look at that, the low persistence, too. That is really nice. Like, ah! So cool. I just have a hard time getting excited about phones. Speaking of things to be excited about, I'm kind of back into VR.

Yeah. Okay, sorry, hold on. We'll talk about that later. First, I should probably go through what our topics are for today. So I'm going to talk about being back into VR. Apple's autonomous car was spotted. A lot of speculation as to what exactly is going on with the sensor arrays and all that kinda cool stuff on it.

There's a couple of folding phones launching in September. Apple and Google are gonna potentially hand over Gunscope app user data, including like IP address and full names and lots of other stuff. And you can pay with your whole hand at Whole Foods. See what I did there? Your whole, get it? Because it takes a, it's not just a fingerprint, it's like the whole thing. Agent 3105 says,

I just realized I haven't seen Luke on the main YouTube channel in a while. All right, agent. I think you better find a new career. Is that like a slowpoke meme? Is that slowpoke meme worthy? Because agent... it's been like three years i think agent is probably the wrong path no investigation in your future with that said actually uh oh man see i've got so much stuff to

talk about this week that isn't like the news we're doing a thing yeah well okay we'll talk about it later let's get through this apple thing because that's in the title topic yes title topic we'll give the people what they want i'm not eating today actually wait is savage jerky a sponsor today uh people not like that or something they get mad when i eat on stream because some people apparently it's like something something phonia like they like it actually causes them physical pain to hear other people eating. I'm just glad they never had to sit at a breakfast table with my dad. Because I should clarify, my stepdad. So the way that that man eats cereal, it's disgusting.

Like it's unwatchable. It's unlisten to a bowl he's like he's one he can't he actually can't close his mouth to chew because he needs it open to shovel oh god you probably just you probably just did it it's basically a food mashing machine that just kind of as far i don't even know if he swallows. I think he just drizzles the cereal scum back down his throat and then processes it in his innards. Auto masher. Yeah. Nick walks up, scratches his head, and just leaves.

It's a bad time. Anyway, so I'm going to try not to eat on the stream. Honestly, guys, I was just really hungry last week. I'm so sorry, I didn't have time to eat. I actually didn't have time to eat today because Fridays have been stupid over the last little bit. But yeah, I will try and do better. So, Apple's autonomous car spotted.

The original article here is from 925mac.com and this is a pretty interesting car because there is a possibility based on you know the pixels or whatever that we are looking at an all camera setup with no lidar whatsoever so for those not familiar with the term lidar is a technology that uses lasers to create what is essentially like a a point map of the entire environment around the vehicle that tells it really everything about the 3d space around it and can even allow in google's technology the reading of things like cyclists hand hand signals. I forget whether it was Google or someone else's LiDAR tech,

but they were able to tell the actual orientation of people standing on the side of the street. So not like which way they swing, but more which way their body is likely to drift because you can tell which way they're facing. That's probably a lot easier to do. Yeah. With that said, I think with some people it's fairly obvious.

That's fair. Because they like want you to know. Right. But the accuracy percentage still wouldn't be that high. Yeah. Well, I mean, there was that friend that I had in high school that was basically, I didn't realize I had been invited out to a date. I thought we were just like hanging out and going to a movie. And then his mom was there.

And I was like, oh like oh okay that makes more sense now and um afterward i like how the realization is just oh okay yeah well that was fine like we were still friends after and stuff like it doesn't matter it's just like afterward um we had this conversation like this is like months later um that went something along the lines of like like sorry yeah but i'm like not um and he's like well when you're ready to admit it to yourself let me know that's that's like what does that even mean i don know. That's a little aggro. That's like... Like, he's attacking you, but, like, not even... He's attacking you in a, like, you-don't-know-yourself way.

I think it's not that you don't know yourself. I think it's, like, you know, at that... Because remember, we're, like, I don't know, 17 or 16 or whatever at this point. Probably not even... No, probably not 17, because, like, either of us would have had our M licenses. His mom came with him when he was 17 to the movies? Yeah, yeah, wouldn't have been that old. That's pretty cute. No, this must have been like middle school.

Just don't remember. We needed to be driven. We needed to be driven, but then I realized that she was there not just as a driver, but more as chaperone. That was the difference. Okay. So anyway, you know, like at that age a lot of people, you know, aren't ready to admit to themselves. Still figuring stuff out. Yeah, they're sort of, they're locked into sort of, well, this is how it's supposed to be,

and therefore I must probably fit this mold like that. I don't know. Maybe in 2019, this is all sounding very quaint, but back in 2002. That was a thing. You know, that was a thing here, and I'm sure in a lot of places it's still very much like that, but I don't know that it's necessarily quite as big of an issue here anyway these days. Yeah, I don't think so. So, yeah, anyway, I don't remember how I got on this subject.

I have no idea. Right, the LiDAR. LiDAR. LiDAR. LiDAR. Right. Detecting orientation. Okay, so why don't we consult the notes so that we maybe stay somewhat on topic here.

So Apple has actually had self-driving car prototypes on the road before. Now we're not talking Apple cars, like Apple didn't actually build the drivetrain. But Project Titan modified cars. Exactly. Where they are, where they're clearly very interested in the technology. I mean, this isn't their first foray into, into transportation. You know, Apple Maps, as bad as it was when it first launched, has come a long way. They're clearly committed to helping people get around being one of the most important things that our mobile devices can do. And as far as I can tell, Apple transitioned from being a computer company, Apple Computer Inc.,

to being an Apple iPhone accessory company. So if the latest iPhone accessory happens to be a car that you plug it into, I think that Apple can get on board with that. The iPhone is the beating heart of that company right now. So anyway, the new setup has no obvious LiDAR devices, could be an all-camera setup. They recently poached Tesla Engineering VP Steve McManus and increased the size of the test team. So it seems

they are still actively pursuing the project in one form or another, although they did fire 200 employees assigned to Project Titan back in January. So who really even knows? Who really knows what's going on over at Apple until they tell us, because they have some pretty good non-disclosure

agreements as far as I can tell. With that said, I have never had the privilege of reading one because Apple still doesn't reply to my messages. Actually, oh, this is great. Let me see if I, I don't know if I have, I don't know if I have the software that I would need to pull this up.

Nope, I don't have that installed on this computer. You know what, I'm going to pull a faux pas ever since we leaked a bunch of financial data I was just gonna say it might not be the best software to use don't worry about it while screen sharing yeah yeah no no I got this back to your personal laptop no you're gonna use it anyway no I got this everything's fine so I actually want to share with you my chat log with apple support when i reached out complaining that they actually don't have a press contact email on their website anymore uh there's just you can view the newsroom

which is just articles that apple publishes about itself um but that's it there there's no actual hey i'm a member of the media and i would like to speak to a human being at Apple iPhone Accessory Inc. Maybe it's because you call them Apple iPhone Accessory Inc. Well, I had never done that before today, so that's obviously nonsense. Maybe it's because you spent seven years talking trash about them. I have not spent seven years talking trash about them. I gave the iPhone 6S my phone of the year award. It was a great phone.

And then they ruined it. Case in point. Well, no, I'm just being honest. I'm allowed to have an opinion. So anyway, so I reached out to their live chat because... Shrink that, please. I don't even know what's on there. Just, there we go.

Yeah, so are we good? Yeah. Okay. Oh, I need a dongle because you know i'm i'm switching i'm not going to keep using the blade stealth 20 whatever year this came out i don't care it doesn't matter um too many dongles required so it doesn't have a native hdmi which i didn't consider while i was doing that video and more importantly i didn't notice the short shift It has an arrow key where the shift is, which is basically the worst sin because I am constantly hitting both of them at the same time while I am typing, which causes me to go up with shift, which highlights everything, which I then overwrite. Ah.

Very nice. Also, my trackpad seems to be defective. Well, that's not surprising. So I'm done. I'm done with this. I think Dell actually sponsored a video, but they have a really interesting looking laptop in the mail to me right now. What was the failure rate of our internal blades?

I don't know, 40% or something like that. Yeah. Not the point. Solid. Oh, one moment, please. Sweet. Then it doesn't work. Well, give it a sec, okay?

Give it a sec. I mean, we're in a remote desktop connection-alation mode right now here. Yeah, why is that not working? That shouldn't matter. Yeah, that shouldn't matter at all. Okay, hold on. Let's just try that again. Da-do, da-do.

We can't hear it so much emulated the sound Would have been great though. Yeah, well, you know I do I do aim to please there's so Starcraft 2 has these packs that you can get that are like different people's voices and stuff so like you can have like a Commentator cast your game for you or like someone else I would Actually run with like a Linus pack in Windows So like whenever you unplug and plug things Every time an error message comes up, it's,

you can't do that, stupid. I'm going to restart your computer for totally no reason, huh? Okay, I would be much nicer about it. Okay, it's working now. I couldn't explain to you why. Yeah, yeah, I got this, I got this. A blue screen is just accompanied by a laugh track. Okay, so anyway, I wanted to go to the September 10th iPhone event because I'm going to have

to cover it anyway. So I might as well just watch it from the audience instead of here in the comfort of my own home because I hate myself. So I reached out to them and I just had to reach out to, like, genius support for, like, the iPhone. I was like, I don't know, my iPhone won't update or something. Anyway. So I... Right, because you have to give them a reason.

Yeah, you have to give a reason. And the reason can't be, I just want to talk to a human being at Apple. That is not the reason. Yeah. That you may not provide that reason. So hold on a second. I'm just going to actually blank this out. I think this is leaked like 100 times anyway.

Yeah, probably. Oh, wait. That's really guessable. Yeah, that's really guessable. Sure. Sure. You know what? Why don't we just take all the fun out of it?

There you go. Confirm your Apple ID, blah, blah, blah, blah. Is this like, are you allowed to share private communications? They recorded it, and in Canada, it's single-party consent. So, yes, I may.

In California, it's not. Right, but they consented to it, and so did I, because they said they are recording it. But I don't think they consented to you recording it. I don't care. Yeah. All right, alright, so I mean if they reach out that would probably be a good yeah Maybe we could start a conversation right?

so so You've got to be kidding me This is great. Oh my goodness. Well, I'm glad you're having fun. Now OBS is broken. Yeah. Use the...

Here, try the stream deck. Sorry. Why is the... No. No. So then, yeah, it's just dead in the water. It is just actually broken. Like, legit broken.

Maybe that's... What about your screen? Hey! Yours is working. It's just actually broken like legit broken. Maybe that's hmm What about your screen? Hey yours is working? So I'm the only one who's not working you are taking the ROG phone from me, sir. I will have to unlock that for you Okay, yes, it's now unlocked. Please don't read my emails Wait what's going on now? So do you want to just email that to me? Holy crap? This is I can I can't switch back What's going on? Oh, it's sitting on the page down key nice dang it. Sorry. Sorry hold on oh for

Mine work do you want to just email it to me we can? All right sounds good. I can do this. I am logged into my email. Yes! Ah! Why is it like that? This is just... It doesn't matter. We'll get this. Okay. Wait, what?

Why? Officially 20 minutes into the show. Okay, good enough. Here we go. All right. The, the, the... Okay. Thanks for contacting Apple support.

With the audio what? The audio version of this podcast will be fantastic. Thanks for contacting Apple support. My name is whatever my name is. How can I help you? Hey, Linus, how's it going today? Oh, wait, is that them too? Oh, it was.

Great. I'm in the media and wanted to know, how does one go about getting an invite to the September event? I link my YouTube channel. Just to ensure we're on the same page, you would like to receive an invitation to go to the event in September. However, you're not sure what the process is and would like to find out. Yeah, that's pretty much what I said. Thank you. There's no obvious media contact on the site, so I ended up coming through here. I'd be more than happy to assist you to see how best we can

work together in hopes of guiding you on a path to resolution where this issue you're having is concerned. What even is that sentence? That's's amazing is it okay you're talking to a knight i know right is it okay if i ask a few questions sure please confirm your apple id yep um i just clarified that i have no idea what apple id the phone that i used because i had to provide a serial number for a phone in order to talk to apple so i just grabbed one from my desk like I it's not in my daily driver phone. I don't think even think anything's logged into it That's okay. Is it okay if I place you on hold while I consult with my resources to provide you with this information? So about 10 minutes on hold it's not totally unreasonable. I'm back. I have consulted with my resources Okay, so you asked someone here's a link with the details to attend the

function here's a big apple logo don't worry about that developer.apple.com slash wwdc19 which not only is not apple's september event policy um so it does have the policy for how you attend because you can pay to attend to wwdc but it's WWDC, not the September launch event. Completely different event. I go, okay, that's WWDC. Is that the wrong link? Also, I am press. I am not a developer.

Regarding the invite, the seats are reserved for the press by invite only. Right. That is the point of this conversation. I am the press. I need to contact at Apple. I don't want to be pushy, but it shouldn't be complicated for me to get a media contact.

We have more views on our Mac Pro announcement video than you do. That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool. That's a good flex. Apple would be the one to reach out to members of the press with an invite as the function would be for selected members only. Well, it would be hard for them to do that if they don't have my contact information

and I don't have a press relations contact there. Tell you what, I got to run to a meeting. Oh, bloody hell, that's my email. It's fine. It's leaked a thousand times. Are we all set from here? Oh, yeah, this is great. If they want to get in touch, here's my email.

They go, are we all set from here? I just want to know that you're comfortable with the steps I provided. What steps? I wasn't given any steps. I need a media contact. And that was, in fact, the end of that interaction. She did arrange to have a supervisor call me after, and they informed me.

Actually, I don't even remember how that conversation ended, but basically, no, there was not, in fact, anything that they could or would do about it um they said oh right i do remember how it ended um it kind of went around in circles like that and then i said tell you what um oh i got an email right i emailed the email nope right okay so they said they would they would see if anyone said cool, and then they gave me an email that I could contact And then I emailed that email and I never heard back Right I do remember now good. I'm hopefully not

Misrepresenting that's how the way in which I was ignored. That's a beautiful story Yeah, I thought that was a pretty I thought that was a pretty heartwarming story to this bothers me The fact that this is like a hard edge. And it's brushed. Yeah, it's brushed plastic. I realize it's plastic. It's not going to stain at least. I don't know. Anyway, so I'm not going to the September event. And then class. What? I don't remember

how I got on that subject. We were talking about Apple autonomous vehicles. It doesn't matter. You know what? Nick's been waiting very patiently. What can I do for you, Nick? It's actually nothing to do with the show, and I just need to ask you something off-camera. Oh, okay. This mic is aggressively sensitive. Yeah, BRB.

Just like, yeah. I've noticed it pick up trucks outside. Be very careful. I don't know what to talk about while they're gone, because I don't know how long they're going to be gone, but probably the next thing we're going to talk about is that there are two folding phones coming in September. That's probably going to be the next topic. The Fold launched in Korea today, but I believe the they're launching in September thing is more talking about the North American market,

or else we would have said that it came out now. Huawei has confirmed the launch date for its next flagship phone line. The Mate 30 series will be unveiled in Munich, Germany on September 19th. So we'll figure that out soon. Maybe it won't be September, but we'll figure it out soon. Oftentimes these events have been like, and it's coming now or something. So it'll probably be fairly soon. Samsung is finally ready to unveil their refined Galaxy Fold after an embarrassing initial rollout earlier this year that was played with multiple damage review units. They said in July that the Fold would be available in September.

So theoretically, that's now-ish, which would be cool. Is everything all good? Yeah. Cool. We're talking about two folding phones launching in September. Yeah, both of which were supposed to launch ages ago. Yeah. Cool. We're talking about two folding phones launching in September. Yeah, both of which were supposed to launch ages ago. So who knows if they'll even launch now? Well, the Fold launched in Korea already,

but then it might unlaunch. The curious thing about all of this is that I haven't seen, like they were treating the Fold as this global launch event and press all over the world had review units ahead of time so that there would be coverage, so that people would get hyped about it, so that they would be incentivized to go and buy it on launch day. They must have known how volatile they were. And now they've just, no, I think they just didn't.

Well, I think the people making the decision just didn't right accept it we've seen that a few times yeah we've seen that before yeah so this time it seems like they're doing a quiet launch and it is pretty common for um not just samsung i'm trying to think like other korean companies have done this before too to just quietly launch something in korea yeah um where i don't know i guess their their customers are a little more forgiving if something sucks or the volumes are lower so they can control the damage if it turns out to be a disaster. So it seems like they've just done a quiet launch in Korea. Did you already cover the updates to this one?

No, that's where I am. Okay, cool. So they did a quiet launch in Korea, and it seems like they've made a few changes. So caps were added to the top and bottom edges of the hinge to seal off the gaps that previously might have allowed dust into the mechanism. The layer that people mistook for a screen protector and peeled off now extends beyond the edges of the screen

and tucks under the bezel so there aren't any bits exposed. And they added layers of metal under the display to strengthen its protection and hopefully make it so you won't be able to feel the machinery beneath the screen when you poke at it. With the updates, the Fold also locks into place more rigidly than before, and it's almost completely 180 degrees flat when it's open.

The stronger lock also makes the device less floppy when you're holding the open phone with one hand. I love that they said that, because this whole time I've been hoping that a derogatory term for these phones ends up being floppy phones. Floppy phones. Because it floppy phones. Floppy phones. Because it's just great. Flop phone.

That's not bad. A flop phone. Yeah. Flip phone, flop phone. Yeah. Flip flop. I like it. Samsung also managed to reduce the gap between the fold's hinge and body so it isn't as thick when it's closed as it was before.

No word on when the rollout will be expanded to the U.S. and internationally. Now, we should go through our sponsor bits, and then what were those topics that I wanted to talk about? I wanted to talk about how I'm into VR again, and then there was another thing. I know the VR thing. What was the other one? Ah, maybe someone in chat remembers. Oh, we're doing a video soon.

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Back at CES, you were super hyped about Hisense's double LCD ULED technology. Will you ever review one of their TVs? I don't know how much I can say because I signed an NDA, but I am still, I feel exactly the same way about you led technology as I did and when and if Hisense were to ever release any kind of product based around that technological concept I would be super amped to check it out especially if they had some

really good ideas for how they could make it better. Next topic. Yeah, let's move on. Apple and Google to hand over Gunscoop. No, I want to talk about VR. Okay. We did the title topic. I don't care anymore. Yeah, we did the title topic. So like...

It's cool again it's kind of cool again yeah um I'm getting back into it too I think taking a break was the right idea and then now I'm genuinely re excited about things because a bunch of really interesting stuff has happened so index is a legit second-gen experience vive Pro was not I was was really upset about Vive Pro because it was like, everything I didn't ask for and nothing that I did ask for. Okay, one thing I asked for, okay, the screen resolution was better.

But Vive Pro by HTC's own admission was Vive but professional. It was not Vive 2. And I wanted an upgrade. Like, when did the HTC Vive come out? Let's just check this. 2014? HTC Vive release date.

Like, it was a long friggin' time ago. I don't think it was 2014. It was like 2016. 2016? Why is my interwebs taking so long? Oh, yeah, no. Dang it. I'm going to re-guess at 2015.

What? You don't just get to re-guess. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I was thinking of... Besides, you're going to be right if I went over anyway, because Price is Right rules. Oh, apparently. All right, that's fine. I can... Oh... Besides, you're going to be right if I went over anyway, because price is right rules. Oh, apparently. All right, that's fine.

I can... Oh, wait, are we still... We are still transmitting from the desktop. Cool, okay. Well, I don't know how that works. Oh, maybe the Wi-Fi went down again. That's fine. HTC...

I'm on my mobile data. That's fine. I got this. HTC Vive release date. Oh, man. 2016. You're right. Heck yeah. Wow, I'm awesome. You're right. Heck yeah.

Wow, I'm awesome. I thought it was so long ago, but I'm thinking, I think, Crystal Cove. Dev kits went out in August and September of 2015. But, like, that's still a long time ago. Yeah. That's, like, three years ago. So when the Vive Pro came out, like, was i was expecting vr to be like this rapidly iterating technology because around that time that was in the midst of the mobile display pixel

density race right like that was when you know sony was shipping a 4k phone. And I was like, screens, they're gonna get super dense and OLED technology, it's gonna be super low persistence and like, it's gonna be flipping awesome. And then it just stopped. In 2017, I guessed five years. For what? For VR to like really be popping. Yeah, I could see that.

They crossed the 1% threshold for install base in the Steam hardware survey. Not bad. Heck yeah. Working on it. And more importantly, some of the technologies that I did not have a lot of faith in are starting to show promise. So have you tried the Oculus Quest?

No, but I've read a lot about it. So have you tried the Oculus Quest? No, but I've read a lot about it. I haven't tried it myself. And I've talked to a guy that uses it basically all the time. Okay, it's only 72 hertz or whatever. Do you know the picture of the guy and his son standing by their Tesla at a Tesla charging station and they're both playing the Quest?

It went trending not that long ago. No, I didn't see that. Oh, I like hung out with him for a while. He's actually really cool. He actually lives locally. All, I didn't see that. Oh, I like hung out with him for a while. Okay. He's actually really cool. He actually lives locally. All right. But yeah, anyways. So the Quest.

It's only 72 hertz. It's running on like Snapdragon 835 or whatever. Like it's not even, is it 835? Oculus Quest Snapdragon. Is it 845? It's not 855, that's for sure. Oh, no, 835. Yeah, 835.

So it's like ancient technology and mobile. But depending on the type of game, not everything is a great experience, but depending on the type of game not everything is a great experience but depending on the type of game it is shockingly good and not having the the weight of the and the inconvenience of the tether tether yeah like it is so much better than the mobile based vr experiences that i had had in the past just garbage that i was blown Like, the tracking is so good. And after my experience with, I'm saying a lot of the things that I'm going to repeat

in my upcoming review of the Rift S, as well as the upcoming video about the Quest. I believe it's on Floatplane. I'm sorry? I think it's on Floatplane, right? The Rift S. Quest? Okay. Rift S, I have not actually shot, but I have fully written.

I finished writing it last night. So, yeah, there's a plug for Floatplane. If you subscribe on Floatplane, it's like week-ish early access and occasional exclusive content. We're not trying to oversell it. It's a way to support Linus Tech Tips. The Meet the Team videos are pretty cool. So the tracking on it, the freedom of being of being able to like wander around in a gigantic play space compared to what i'm used to because i mean theoretically on my index yeah i could have

like a 15 by 15 play space or whatever the stupid like maximum size is ridiculous with what tether yeah like powered active display port repeaters every five meter like what it's not even like it's not even a real conversation you know what i mean yeah yeah yeah um because wireless isn't feasible for it yet the the resolution and refresh rate are just too high it's too much bandwidth until we get another revision of 60 60 gigahertz wi-fi um so it was just kind of surreal. And playing something like Beat Saber, which I always come back to

because it's casual enough that it runs on mobile hardware, but it's hardcore enough in that it is like a genuinely skill-requiring game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Solo competitive. And it's very sensitive

to errors in tracking for the controllers or for latency issues. It's great. It's great for certain experiences. That's cool. And after my experience with Windows Mixed Reality, that's where I was going with that, I had no faith in inside out tracking.

I thought it was dead on arrival. I was like, they will not fix the occlusion issues. They will not fix the drift. Really? We're done here. Okay. I was very pessimistic. I wasn't.

Okay. Well, then you were smarter than me. Good for you. Hooray. I'm just, I haven't heard you say that before. That's why I'm surprised. I thought outside-in was always going to be the premium experience. It is though still but

Rift s have you tried it? Okay, okay still no, but there was one at PAX that my brother tried and there was clear and obvious issues with it Okay, but was that at PAX? No, it was because of the headset because there are areas where it doesn't track well you should come over and try it sure or just take it home it's in my office it has to come back on monday because i'm shooting that video on my head there's like no room in my house there's like no point okay well the thing about the rift s though is that it doesn't need room you just put it on yeah okay i can there's no lighthouses. There's no setup. I wonder if I could get them to send me the build of the game.

But there was a football game. Okay. And the whole idea, it was Sevens football, so it's passing only and all this kind of stuff. I don't remember the name of it. I'm sorry if you're watching this. But they were at PAX. They're releasing the game relatively soon, I think.

So you're the quarterback. You have to throw the ball. Okay. And the only way they're able to run it is because you It's because you go here, and you could yeah the whole time I was like why did you guys bring this headset like what this is so done because you watch everyone play this football game And they're like yeah, it tracks properly if you throw the ball properly we have it modded right now, so you can go beep I'm like that's so Okay

There are games that have issues. I will give you that. None of the things I play regularly require me to put my hand behind my head. The only thing I'm saying is you said I thought the other version of tracking would always be better. I'm like, well, yeah. I think that's probably solvable. More tedious. Because the thing, too, is that the Rift S and the Quest get a lot of their location data

from the accelerometer and gyroscope in the controller. I don't think it's unsolvable. So it's solvable, and then what it's doing is it's using the constellation map from the headset to the controllers to correct. So as long as you are only occluded for a short period of time, theoretically it should be fine.

And in my experience using it in my living room, it was very good. I did get some glitchiness when I first put it on. But then it would kind of settle in and I couldn't tell. In fact, Hollow Ball is a game that I have kind of used as my benchmark for controller tracking. Because I, as a badminton player, I tend to flick my wrist rather than swing my arm when I'm trying to hit a ball. And that game is obviously designed around a tennis swing,

an arm swing, because otherwise it is utterly hopeless at tracking where your hand is. It's too fast. And so I can swing right through the ball. I can watch the paddle go through. It just doesn't work. And what I found was on the Rift S, I was way more likely to hit the ball.

Like, worlds more likely. And Oculus claims, or I should say Facebook at this point, their last founding member was out as of, I think, like a couple weeks ago. Oh, really? Yeah. So Facebook claims that they are updating their location with one millisecond granularity. Now, it's not a perfect update because the cameras... If you can see the racket go through the ball,

I'm suspecting this is a collision issue and not a tracking issue. Could be. If you see the racket go through the ball... Okay, I should clarify. I see where the racket is. Okay. I see that I followed through, and I see that the ball went Okay, I should clarify. I see where the racket is. Okay. I see that I followed through,

and I see that the ball went through where I was going. So no, it's not like I see the models. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. But so on there, so anyway, so it's every, it's 30 times a second with the camera. So that's where it's checking for drift. And then it's apparently, I have no way of validating it, but apparently millisecond granularity from the gyroscope and accelerometer and controller.

And I did find that it was better. That's cool. But they dropped it to 80 hertz. Yeah. And like you were there, the second I put the index on, holy crap. It's so intensely noticeable. The resolution, the refresh rate, everything. It's amazing.

Even the safe zones. I have a really hard problem with headsets where if they're not tilted to the exact specification and exactly far enough away, then they look terrible to me. It's probably because my eyes suck, but whatever. And then the index, it didn't really matter. I threw it on, and while it was coming on,

I was like, everything's perfect. And then I sit it down, I'm like, everything's still perfect. But it's $1,000. But yeah, it's $1,000. Anyway, all of this is why I'm really excited about what's happening right now, because we finally have a real upgrade at the high end with the index.

And a good, solid solution that isn't there. Yes. Because I've always kind of detested. I remember I made a big part in a video about this a long time ago about how I was kind of annoyed with all these different phone companies and stuff advertising mobile VR. So I was like, now everyone's going to think this is what VR is. Yeah.

And that was really frustrating. But hopefully we're leaving that era where VR is just good. Okay. Hey, someone pointed out in the Super Chats that the Apple Media Helpline is apparently listed on apple.com slash leadership, which has all their executives and their board of directors.

Yes. That's just help. It is indeed there. Like, it's a generic thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I believe that is actually the email address that I was eventually provided. So thank you. That is legitimately quite helpful.

I appreciate it. Thank you for the super chat unfortunately i i doubt i mean i i i will call it i'll call it oh yeah i'll see you should call it now should i i think that would be great i think that'd be awesome all right they're probably close but like well i don't know i don't know i mean- Give it a shot. Like $47 billion in the bank. Actually, I think it's a lot more than that. I think that's Facebook that has about $45 billion in the bank right now. I don't remember how much Apple has.

I'm sure they can afford to pay someone to answer important media inquiries late at night. $285.1 billion. Do you afford to? All right. So I'm not gonna to put them on speaker until I get consent here. Do you want to cover the next news topic? Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay. We could do an Apple topic. Apple and Google to hand over Gunscope app user data. So this Gunscope, they could like, I believe they could be remotely viewed, so you could like see through the Gunsc scope on your phone or something like that, and they have some other kind of neat information.

The information that they're potentially passing forward, the U.S. government has ordered them to hand over names, phone numbers, and IP addresses of at least 10,000 users of a single gun scope app made by Night Vision Specialist American Technologies Network Corp. I'm assuming they weren't there. It's just a voicemail where you leave your email address, your message, your name, and your media outlet number. Media outlet number.

Which I clearly don't have. Nice. And they will get back to you. Ultimately, you can email media.help at apple.com. Awesome. So basically, it's effectively emailing them. Yes. So the app specifically allowed them to

get a live stream of the scope, take video, like so record the scope, I guess, and calibrate their scope from an Android or iPhone device. It's been downloaded more than 10,000 times on Android. Apple doesn't provide the numbers. ICE, or Immigration and Customs Enforcement,

is seeking information as part of a broad investigation into possible breaches of weapons export regulations. So I think the idea is they're trying to figure out where these things are getting registered so they can figure out if they're getting sold somewhere that they shouldn't be being sold. Interesting. If that makes sense.

I believe that is the goal. If Apple and Google decide to hand over the information, it could include data on thousands of people who have nothing to do with the crimes being investigated, which could, it says in here, set a dangerous precedent. Yeah, that's pretty interesting. Unless there's like some form of... I don't know. This is getting into weird law stuff.

But they should, I guess, tell you. Maybe you have to... I don't know. That's really weird. I have no idea. I don't know how American laws work. I'm not going to say anything. So there are reports online that have claimed

that ATN scopes were being used by the Taliban, which would obviously be a bit of a problem. But how could you prove... Because couldn't someone just buy it in America and just ship it somewhere? It's a scope. Is it illegal to ship that somewhere? I have no idea. Maybe it is.

Well, there's lots of things that are illegal to ship to, like, it's actually in the end user license agreement that you can't. Okay. So for example, we have a thermal camera that we had to sign a very long and detailed document saying that it will be in our possession only and if it is ever not in our position we need to in our possession we need to return it and that we will not use it in any way to aid help a bed or whatever um terrorist activity or any of these industries or whatever else. There is equipment that is tightly regulated like that. I could see something like weapon scopes.

A scope be part of it. Yeah, that makes sense. Being the kind of thing that comes with a user agreement that says I will not give it to a terrorist to shoot people. If something is being used somewhere, it's hard to say that the company that sells it is at fault. Wasn't ISIS driving a whole fleet of toyota trucks i don't i don't remember like is that toyota's fault i don't think so i don't know

depends if toyota sent a sales rep over there like hey want a deal well i want a bunch of trucks i just i don't know i this is way beyond me but i think it's a little funky. I'd be like, hey, some people are using it. That means you did illegal things. Oh, well. Paying with your hand? Yeah, paying with your hand at Whole Foods. So Amazon is testing a payment system codenamed Orville that scans...

I mean, isn't that just spookily close to Orwell? Yeah. Is that where you went with it? That was a bad idea. I did, too. It scans human hands to ring up their purchases. They're reportedly using their New York employees as guinea pigs by installing the system on a handful of, that's a joke, handful, of vending machines selling chip sodas and phone chargers in their offices.

Unlike most biometric systems that require you to touch the surface of a scanner, Amazon's take on the technology doesn't need you to physically touch anything. They use computer vision and depth geometry to identify the size and shape of your hand before charging the credit card you have on file. Wow. Furthermore, you don't even need to have your phone

with you when you shop. So this could make shopping at Whole Foods even more seamless than at Amazon Go stores. You need to be a Prime member for hand-based payments to work. It's possible they decided to give customers the option to pay with their hands instead of their face because it would feel less like a mugshot. And now they can recommend you the perfect size gloves, possibly even figure out basic

nutritional and health data so they can recommend you different drugs and Nutritional supplements what kind of condoms you need and not that it's proportional Amazon is reportedly hoping to roll the technology out to a handful of Whole Foods stores by the beginning of next year with no specific locations in mind and They're refining it so they can bump the accuracy up from within one 10,000th of an inch, or sorry, one 10,000th of 1% to a millionth of 1% before launch, that is incredible. That's pretty nuts. All right then, that's pretty much it for the WAN Show.

Yeah. Appreciate you guys tuning in. We'll see you again next week. Same bat time, same bat channel. Bye. Dang. Oh wait, ah, ba-da-ba-da-da. Super chats. Super chats. bye dang oh wait super chats can James do another laptop replacement style video

of the Samsung Tab S6 like he did for the iPad Pro did James do that I thought Riley wrote our iPad Pro video either way we thought about it we just really didn't care I don't know how to say that more kindly Ah, we thought about it. We just really didn't care. I don't know how to say that more kindly.

3-9 says, what does this button do? It gives us money. Thanks. DBB Blaine, I'll give you $20 more to eat an entire bag of jerky on air. Hold on a second. Are you going to do it? That's a lot of jerky, dude. Only if a second. Are you gonna do it? Well, only if there's... That's a lot of jerky, dude. Only if there's flavors I really like. Okay. Oh. There's no jerky on hand.

Oh, wait. Is there jerky over there? One moment, please. They didn't sponsor this show. I know. That's fine. I don't care. Oh, wow. There's a lot of jerky here. If there's maple buffalo bacon, I will eat the whole thing in one handful. have you seen the wow yeah i'm doing it is that maple okay oh yeah oh i'm so excited okay how many how many yeah

how like what's the nutritional information on an entire bag of jerky um here we go per serving size okay servings per container two so this will be 16% of my daily total fat, 10 grams. That's actually not as bad as I thought. 3% of my daily, or 6% of my cholesterol. A whopping 70% of my daily sodium intake. There we go. 10 grams of carbohydrate, including, oh, that's 10 grams of sugars and 5 grams of protein. That could be a lot worse. Yeah. I mean, that's sort grams of sugars and five grams of protein that could be a lot worse

yeah i mean that's sort of the idea behind savage jerky not that i have to do their talking points because they didn't sponsor the show today but like yep that's true it's not that bad yeah um all right this is going to be a little messy because this one's kind of like oily a broken tv you're going to do that in one in. I am not sure if I had completely thought this through. That is a lot of bacon. A broken TV says... Can I do one serving? There's two servings per bag.

Can I just do half of it? I think there's a level of challenge or disgusting, and you've got to figure out where on that makes the most sense. He's doing the whole thing. Nope, he's doing one serving. He did two-thirds of the package, I whole thing. Nope. He's doing one serving He did Two thirds of the package I would say That was a huge amount that was the lion's share of the of the bacon all at once

I'm gonna keep doing super chats. A broken TV. Have you seen the Microsoft musical their interns made? No. That sounds interesting. The usual gaming PC. Why are large ATX cases still the standard? I think, in my opinion, being able to mess around with things is cool and nice. And people don't want to have to limit themselves.

And if they have the space for that tower then whatever because the cases don't really cost much more the hardware doesn't really cost much more if anything in a lot of cases possibly cheaper because they're more common also using your old case is a thing that I suspect quite a few people actually do. Especially having gone to quite a few lands now, it's like, wow, yeah, that's from the early 2000s. Yeah, exactly. And it has modern hardware in it. Cool.

I am still planning to review the Chevy Volt. As for the regular trade-ins and doing car review videos, obviously I didn't get around to that. I still kind of want to do it. still you could do like a car review every year that's not a bad approach i spent a year with the chevy volt yeah these are my thoughts i mean i have a lot of thoughts about the volt i've basically written out everything i have to say and then i was putting it off until the summer because i wanted the weather to be good while we shot and now the summer's gone. So maybe I'll do it next year.

I mean, I have such a great title for the video that it's going to perform super well regardless of how outdated the Volt and how discontinued it is at that point. Right. Why did we start uploading complete videos on Facebook? Facebook turned on monetization for us, so we stopped ignoring them. Cool.

Video suggestion, make a Skull Trail follow up with the EVGA SR2. I would love to do that. Isn't that kind of old now? The dual socket board for gamers. I forget, I thought the SRX was after the SR, though. Cody says, I work in Labrador. We have 24 megabytes in town and one meg in the country. Oh, megabit, I guess. No cell service. Hard to watch your videos at 2 a.m. when no one's online. Oh, had to. Had to.

Lol. Thank you for the dedication. Nice. In need of a new backpack because mine got stolen. I'm going to order an LTT backpack because it has everything I need. We don't have a backpack yet. Yeah, what? Speaking of Linus Tech Tips merch, though, we finally have the Stealth hoodie back in stock. Also Ram shirts. Yeah, so the hoodie that I'm wearing. Oh, one moment, please.

That's better. So, yeah, the hoodie I'm wearing is finally back in stock it's been out of stock for a few weeks now i think um and then the ram shirt has actually been super popular um underwear is doing really well actually the store has been doing awesome um nick and lloyd are doing a great job massive thanks to all of our models who help us make these things look good and appealing and also our other models. Well, they're there on the site. This is such a great picture of Alex.

I love it. It is actually. The Swacket. Yeah. Swacket's like out of stock of everything but extra and extra, extra large. It's freaking ridiculous. You guys have been giving us an incredible amount of support. We have new colors of water bottles coming, I think, in the next couple of weeks.

Constellation's still doing really well. Elemental. Constellation and CPU are going to be hard to dethrone for me. You think so? Yeah. I actually am partial to hard drive. Hard drive's really good. Hard drive's really, really good.

I like that for people who aren't into computers, they're like, oh, yeah, it's like a record. Oh. And I'm like, sure. Why not? It's whatever you want it to be. Yeah. Whatever makes you happy.

That's funny. Apple, no answer, Linus. Karma's a bitch. All right, fair enough. Tommy Gunn, me again. My reminder to you that you promised to bring back Channel Super 5. Okay, we're working on it. Yeah.

You didn't say when. actually like 2030 I did say one Yeah, I said like sometime in the next couple months. Oh, so we booked a shoot date today No, we didn't book it like for today, but we booked it today for later. Hmm We're both beautiful Plantation says read his emails. No. No, he didn't read my emails because he's a good person oh get wrecked um christian says luke i expect my purple sharpie back next year at ltx 2020 i think i have it so maybe kiyomura says something ninja says here's my google opinion rewards money maybe this helps what iswards? I think it's

like when you rate stores and stuff. Really? Yeah. You get money for that? I think you have to sign up for the program, and then I think if you do enough of it, you probably get something. So that's probably all he's ever made on it. That's my assumption.

I really don't know. And it probably only gives you money within the Google ecosystem. Jerry says, YouTube bad, floatplane good. Yeah. Still using my PC you helped me build in 2015 with a 6600K and 964 gig. Keep doing what you do. Nice. Sweet.

I would call iCarly. You guys are friends with her. It might be your best bet. I think you mean iJustine. Carly, that's a good one. I think iCarly. You guys are friends with her. It might be your best bet. I think you mean iJustine. Yeah. Carly, that's a good one. I think iCarly's like a Disney Channel thing. I could.

So a little bit of inside baseball for you guys. It's actually considered, and this is like unspoken, but it's considered bad manners to reach out to other members of the media and ask for hookups unless you have exhausted all other options. And as far as I'm concerned, by the time I have reached out to Apple Media Support and said, hey, I'd love to start a conversation, and they have clearly opted not to follow that up with me, I have basically got an answer,

even if it was an answer that I didn't like. And so to put someone else, like Justine, or Jonathan Morrison or Austin or whoever... Into a potentially bad situation. Yeah, to put one of them in a position where they have to put their neck on the line to ask someone else to put their neck on the line to overturn a decision that has clearly already been made,

it's like, it's not unheard of. It's something I have done, but it's like a pretty, it's a bigger favor than you guys might necessarily think because there's a finite number of seats at these events. There's a finite number of review samples, and there's a finite amount of time. And company reps, they have to manage all of those things.

And so for every exception that gets made, someone gets kicked out of a seat, off a review sample list, or out of getting a reply in the inbox if that kind of makes sense to you guys so we try to be we try to be diplomatic about the way that we engage with companies if they want to engage with us that's great and if they don't then as far as we're concerned you know I'll reach out once every three years or so and be like hey has the Yahoo who decided they think we're not worth talking to quit or been fired yet?

No? Okay, then I guess we'll wait. That's a good way of putting it. Aerotech says, have you guys ever considered an unraid build config guide? I think you guys could do better than the other guys on YouTube. No, actually, I hadn't thought of doing that lately. It's just, it's kind of dry. Yeah. Trent says, Apple sucks.

I tried to purchase iPads for a school I work for and couldn't get anyone at Apple to give me a quote. But this says, schools only can buy from Apple. I don't really understand that message. Thanks, Everett. Thanks, Kyle. Yes, we're hiring. Just go to our website. If you can't figure out where the positions are listed on our website, then you're probably not the right candidate. All right. Milk or fish? Last question. Why does LTT store charge in USD instead of CAD?

Because most of our viewers are US. And also, the USD is worth more. And it's more consistent and just... People internationally understand it better. It's a standard internationally. It makes a lot more sense. Everyone knows their own currency in USD because so much of product pricing, be it games or computer hardware or whatever...

It's at least initially based on that. It's based on USD and then converted, although that's become less true over the last five to ten years. It used to be that European pricing was sort of based on USD pricing. Now it's based on it, but it's just like one-to-one. Because, I don't know,

F anyone who pays in pounds or the euro. Yeah. Kind of brutal. All right. Oh, 32 Bytes says you get money to use on the Google Play Store for taking surveys. Mostly if you've been to a local store. You get about 10 to 20 cents each. That's not bad. That's surprisingly not bad.

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