The WAN Show - Are You Smarter Than Me? - WAN Show April 21, 2023

Starting point is 00:00:00 What is up, everybody? Happy Friday, and welcome to the WAN Show. We have way too many topics this week. A lot of topics. This is a serious problem. A lot happened. Switch modder Gary Bowser has been released from prison with a life-destroying fine. Meanwhile, game devs have been cracking down on hardware level cheats.

Starting point is 00:00:25 This is going to be a really interesting conversation. What else we got today? Seagate was hit with a $300 million fine for violating an export ban. Yikes. And where is it? Where is it? Where is it? Where is it?

Starting point is 00:00:37 Where is it? Gameplay trailer accused of being filmed IRL. It was that convincing. Okay. Everyone was fooled that everyone that's the title tie-in today um everyone really Luke everyone let's just roll the intro we'll talk about that later space obviously we're gonna have to jump right into our headline topic which is the gameplay trailer that fooled the world Are we showing it or we're just gonna talk about we might as well we might as well show it I mean what's IGN gonna do copyright strike us? Oh? We could have just brought it up from like the creators. Okay. That's fine. Yeah I mean that's fine

Starting point is 00:01:39 You guys are you guys are gonna want to go check it out on your own screens because you're watching this through our compression Yes, now there are some things that are very very convincing about this in fact i think the approach of the building is probably the most hyper realistic looking part of this gameplay trailer the fact that this gets blown out as the camera's apparent automatic exposure adjusts to the darker environment here on the protagonist's left but this flashlight come on come on it looks like a video game flashlight and okay to be clear pretty good to be clear okay i'll bring it back up I'll bring it back up in a second. I am not hating on the people that were initially bamboozled here. Okay, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:02:31 But when the game developer came out and said, no, this is in-engine. This is rendered on just a gaming computer. This is just the game being played. And people are like, no no i don't believe you and they and they they actually can't tell at that point i mean really really okay so we'll go back let's go back let's go back to the game so i want to i want to talk about this flashlight okay and the way that it illuminates things that is not how a flashlight works the light bouncing is not true to life at all

Starting point is 00:03:13 i think it's pretty good i think it's better than most games no okay no question no question no question but even after so what happened is this gameplay trailer was released people basically went it looks like you're cheating it looks like you just recorded body cam footage and you're trying to pass it off as a game trailer you're trying to pull some kind of scam right and he comes out and he goes actually no and he posts a no clip version of it where he's flying around you can you can technically fake a lot of what happened in that no clip version you can technically fake anything i i agree with linus actually but i'm just i'm throwing some counterpoints to try to make it more interesting you can technically fake a lot of what happened in the in the no clip sir you can fake a battle with a sea dragon in shang chi that doesn't mean

Starting point is 00:04:12 that what he did is not perfectly valid evidence i completely uh okay hold on i actually have a bit of okay let's bring up the no clip let's bring up the no clip okay okay unrecord unrecord i actually i have it on my screen, full screen. You've got it? Okay. I'm coming over to you. Go for it. So I'm going to go back to the beginning.

Starting point is 00:04:29 Okay. This is it. So here he is in the environment showing the way the auto exposure, quote unquote, handles things. And then he goes, also, that is not the angle at which arms come out of an actual body. So no. Here we go. Those reflections in the water look great. Jump cuts slightly.

Starting point is 00:04:57 And I want to make it really clear. I am not saying that this is an ugly looking game. Or that this hyper realism appearance that game or that this this hyper hyper realism appearance that it has is not hyper realistic it's hyper realistic it's amazing it just looped this is back to the beginning okay so okay so some of my arguments there are short easily things that this developer could have done to make the the noclip proof significantly more obvious as actual real proof he went through walls that's not actually that like hard to fake at all

Starting point is 00:05:34 um i think that they did it this much so that there's just the slightest bit of doubt in some people because that is getting us to talk about it. I think this was tactical. That's fair enough, which is fair enough. However, I think the developer is very smart and did this entirely on purpose. Personally, I did not need the noclip because there are some fairly obvious tells.

Starting point is 00:06:02 And I mean, maybe part of this, and the people after the noclip basically saying, I still don't believe you, la, la, la, la. I don't know what to tell you guys. And maybe part of this is that I do this for a living. Like I pixel peep and evaluate the graphical fidelity of things and look at new rendering features and their implementations. I actually do this for a living.

Starting point is 00:06:31 But to me... There's some things that stand out if you sent this to me and said okay what is this what is this bokeh effect here obvious post-processing that is not real bokeh i think another thing that really really benefits all the footage is because it's trying to recreate this effect of like shaky cam, janky body cam. Yes. It does a bunch of stuff like this where it actually it looks it's intentionally lowering its quality. Sure. While having really, really high quality assets. So that that makes it so much more believable is these these like actually really rough like kind of bad screen effects that they have going on make it so much more believable it's a it's a

Starting point is 00:07:11 very interesting effect the the way that they handle the motion yeah okay the way that they handle the perspective and the camera shaking so cool i also think so cool that this is uh you know like piloted by expert so i i have some theories that um just like in tarkov there's independent head control so in tarkov if you hold down your middle mouse button it doesn't matter where your firearm is located you can look around like this with your head right i think that's going on in here and the the developer whoever has just ran through the scenario a bunch of times so they did it at really realism effective times if you know what i mean sure so when there's already that thing where you can kind of move where you're aiming and the perspective of the

Starting point is 00:07:59 the like head of the person that you're controlling doesn't immediately move so you have the firearm slightly disconnected and that's something most people wouldn't be used to and wouldn't imagine that a game would be capable of doing like counter-strike valorant something that they don't they don't do that it's fixed there are games that do this already yeah this one's implementation is extremely good and have a look at that i think it's doubling up with some independent head control yep and a player who is extremely adept at making this feel real sure like I think this is almost acted I would say you know what I mean sure yeah, I could see that trailer Yeah, they went through trying to make it feel like it was real

Starting point is 00:08:35 Which is what they should have done for the trailer, but yeah, I think it's I think again. We've got messy post-processing here got messy post-processing here the smoke yeah the smoke is absolutely video game smoke is wild yeah the angle of the arms is also wrong again and it's not it's not like to be clear it's not bad smoke for a video game it's just also it's video game smoke. Yeah. The way that this darkness that he's standing in here is so dark, that's not correct. Like black. With daylight coming in here, this would be blown out, but this would have a lot more light. And again, okay, I was actually kind of arguing with Riley about this before the show

Starting point is 00:09:25 because I said something along the lines of where's my chat with Riley? Also really great while you're looking that up really great area scans of where this is. I was like it's obvious it's not real. What have these people never seen a game before? Must be console gamers. Modded Crysis can look almost this good and he's like I was I was kind of trolling That's because I I knew they were a little far thought it

Starting point is 00:09:53 Yeah, I was I was obviously messing with him a little bit, but he's like bro Me and apparently 75 of the internet were like whoa upon seeing it It's definitely a whoa It's it's pretty crazy I was talking to to Jaden about this because yeah He's really into game engines and understands a lot of their limitations and stuff like that We've had conversations in the past about different game engines. I'll like comment about how some game looks good, and he'll be like no Yeah, it doesn't because of these reasons that I'm like oh, and it's a whoa

Starting point is 00:10:23 But another thing that i it only occurred to me now that my eye is trained for is not just the video game graphics pixel peeping but cameras i spend so much of my life working on one side or another of a camera and so when i see something like this like this this is such a perfect example where I go, nah, dog, this ceiling, this rooftop, this roof up here absolutely has strong reflections on it because of the reflectiveness of this water. This is not correct. It's very obvious to me because I know what a webcam should look like.

Starting point is 00:11:04 But see, you can see it's doing a much better job of it here after our protagonist takes even just a few steps forward that wouldn't happen in the real world it would be more gradual that kick animation though come on but the door movement and stuff the door movement's pretty good like they're they're i don't want to i don't want to trash on certain aspects that's very fake very fake very fake what is this flashlight look at it come on you can get extremely focused flashlights yeah you can get extremely focused flashlights but they wouldn't have a a beautifully defined circle around them like this yeah no dog no this looks great.

Starting point is 00:11:45 Oh, yeah. One of the things that I thought of in the noclip demo to make it more believable, he should have done object interaction. He should have picked an object and moved it around, replaced it somewhere. Right. But it's area scans, so I don't even think he can. Right.

Starting point is 00:12:00 Do you want to explain what area scans are? Because I think a lot of people are probably looking at this going, this is blowing my mind. How can anything have this kind of graphical fidelity? Because there was another demo that popped up recently of like a village or something. I'm going to try and find it. But it was also photorealistic and apparently done by a single developer. Don't quote me on any of this though, because I'm a little bit...

Starting point is 00:12:23 Again, when I was talking to Jaden about this before the show, he looked up and I think, if I remember correctly, I don't want to misquote him, I think he found that they worked with some company to get scans. And he was saying that the area that they scanned isn't necessarily... Yeah, Quixel mega scan. There we go. I think that's what he said too.

Starting point is 00:12:47 Um, so it's not necessarily that the area that they scanned is in this exact configuration, but they could have made it. They could have like, you know, cut it up. So, oh, through this door might've been like some, uh, I don't know, medical room or something, but they're like, oh, we don't want that. We want that to be another part of the warehouse So they just like move it there and they can do that But these are these are this is like an existing area that they could have chopped up or just not

Starting point is 00:13:12 um So when you notice things like like something that stood out to me On my like first pass was the the green when I first looked at it. Should I be on your screen? Green. Oh, oh yeah here we go these green banners yeah whatever these are i was like oh they all have unique graffiti like why would they like bother to do that right and then that's i i almost immediately was like is this some type of scan and then yeah jayden without me even prompting like immediately looked it up and yeah it was that's another thing too because it's a scan three-dimensional things like for example

Starting point is 00:13:50 the textures uh we see some some dumpsters and stuff inside later those textures do not look three-dimensional enough as you move around even they're quite flat look at this banner yeah really quick this just looks like it's a different color when you get close yeah it looks like it's shading it's flat but as you go by it's it's it it's flat right yep if this scan technology improved to the point where you could scan in three dimensions um like to like more finely obviously this is a three-dimensional scan and it might have just been that like they didn't spend enough time on that one, like sheet of plastic or whatever that thing is on the fence.

Starting point is 00:14:29 And like, maybe if they got more detailed scans of that individual thing, they could have actually gotten that depth. But it's really impressive what they're able to do with this like photogrammetry scanning stuff. There's also, there's people that have been scanning buildings using this and then just bringing in the untextured like depth maps yeah and then texturing them

Starting point is 00:14:53 with uh mid-journey textures which is really really interesting one way or another even if it's not the kind of thing that you know i can look at, wow, this is definitely body cam footage because it's definitely not. It's not. People are talking about the flashlight still. It's not just that it's a perfect circle. That's pretty normal. What it is is the way that the flashlight is static. OK, so the edges are kind of blurred here.

Starting point is 00:15:22 If we go back to it again for a second here. Yeah. Atari and Fullscreen Chat just said you can 3d scan. Yeah That's why I said like they might just not have taken as much time on that like one Sheet of whatever because it's probably not that big so come look at this here's something they could do to improve this a little bit you see how it has this this kind of halo around it a Real person holding a real flashlight would have jitter rotationally and side to side and up and down. It has no rotational jitter.

Starting point is 00:15:52 So it's just a static. It's like a, it's, it's a map applied to the light output that is coming from this, from this gun. It's always the same kind of haze. That's what makes it look unnatural. That's what makes it look unnatural that's what makes it look incorrect not true to the real world um some people are still in the chat saying i'm

Starting point is 00:16:12 actually still questioning this freddie wong has done videos where he shoots actual video made to look like a video game guys no this is an engine it's just getting that cool check this out this is the one i was talking about from taichi kobayashi um it's not quite as uh because of the way the camera moves it's it's more video game like it's it's not as convincing you can see kind of some fish eye to the lens but and yet the lens is not quite where your eyes would be it doesn't have that vignetting that gives it that really convincing like goggle effect I think that's part of why the other one's so convincing too is it really feels like you're looking through goggles. Yeah But in terms of the scans in terms of the photo realism of this

Starting point is 00:16:56 Guys games are coming. They're gonna look like this. This is freaking cool. It doesn't matter Waterfall doesn't doesn't seem legit yeah but it but that house oh for a second there when there was none of the outside that looked like it could have been a google maps screenshot yeah it looks like a picture wow and look how different and like independently waving like all this greenery and stuff it's the greenery on this one i'm not going to play the whole thing because i want you guys i want you guys to go watch it it's just ue5 environment art cliffwood village go check this out guys that's wild i've never seen that it's oh i'm gonna have to go watch it's beautiful it's hard yeah um yeah that's okay so that's one of my like

Starting point is 00:17:39 biggest i guess uh red flag concerns about this thing is how many people it convinced and how realistic it is like it's very very impressive yes there's some tells but it's extremely impressive with a little bit of AI and a little bit of a little bit more polished a little bit AI give it three or four years

Starting point is 00:17:59 the old when I was first growing up I thought you were I thought you were getting into how this could be dangerous, like faking things. Oh, that is where you're going. Oh, good. When we were first growing up, it was Pixar. It didn't happen, right?

Starting point is 00:18:13 And then that pretty quickly was like... Video where it didn't happen. Video where it didn't happen. What's truth now? That's like gone. Jaden was saying, you combine a bunch of these things. You combine as far as this has gotten in regards to realism with the movement and stuff like that. You combine that far as this has gotten in regards to realism with the movement and stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:18:26 You combine that with deep fix. Lower the resolution a little bit and it'd be tougher for me to tell. Like part of how I can tell is how sharp it is. Yeah. Although, yeah, that's something I didn't even mention. It looks too good for like body cam or webcam or like GoPro footage.

Starting point is 00:18:38 It's too sharp. Too high quality. A lot of those things are very, they're buying for like the entire country's police force. so like they're they're they're usually going to be pretty cheap they don't look that good um but yeah you combine deep fakes in terms of how people look you combine the the like voice uh emulation stuff that people are doing uh you combine a lot of the stuff that we see in here and even slightly improve all those things by a little bit and the average person is not going to be able to tell like at all yeah this is wild and as long as long as you can have a legitimate debate where there's a significant amount of people on both

Starting point is 00:19:17 sides then what is like representable truth other than eyewitness. This is great. Bixby in the float plane chat says live stream where it didn't happen. I mean, have you seen some of the unmaskings that have happened with like, um, the, the, the biggest ones that I'm aware of were some live streamers in China where they were pretty much wearing the appearance of a completely different

Starting point is 00:19:42 looking person. What? No, I've never heard of this. Really? I thought we've talked about this on the show before i don't think so ah okay hold on let me see if i can find it uh beauty youtuber exposed during live stream yeah here we go uh here we go yeah this is it this is her this is her so This is her. So it's like real-time appearance modification live.

Starting point is 00:20:12 You see those like filter things on TikTok and stuff. Yeah, exactly. It's not like they don't exist elsewhere. Yep, 100%. And when you're running them on more powerful hardware, you can do more outlandish things with it. So live stream where it didn't happen? Nope. We have nothing left. The second it's video where it didn't happen nope yeah well we have nothing left the

Starting point is 00:20:25 second it's video or it didn't happen live stream where it didn't happen is already basically out the window because well it's harder to apply those effects live i mean you look at again back to shang chi you can do it okay the dragons are real um not live not real time do it if you can do it not in real time being able to do it in real time is coming. That's what I'm saying. Like, eventually a computer will get fast enough and it can just do it. It's fine.

Starting point is 00:20:52 Yep. It'll be right around the corner. Companies like NVIDIA will make sure that happens. I do want to jump into the LTT merch stuff for this week a little bit sooner than we normally would just because I don't want to see people ordering this and not taking advantage of the promo. It's very unusual for us to do this,

Starting point is 00:21:12 but we actually have a launch promo coming with the item that we are announcing this week. Meet... Here. Thanks. Meet the Wag Hoodie. It's a little tiny WAN hoodie for your dog. It's so cute.

Starting point is 00:21:35 It has all the same features and quality that you've come to expect from the regular human-sized WAN hoodie, but now in a convenient size for small to medium sized dogs it also has some dog specific features so the hood can be buttoned back to keep it out of the way of your furry companion there is a leash hole that passes through the hoodie into the inside so you can run your leash through it um it does have a kangaroo pocket here um does it actually go all the way through hilarious it does go all the way through we actually went way over the top in terms of the quality of the construction like it's even got the same uh built-in orange accents on the sleeves um but anyway the point is that on the back it's got this little kangaroo

Starting point is 00:22:25 pouch and a working ykk of course waterproof zipper that you can put you know i don't know um extra like emergency doggy bags or condoms for all the action you're going to be getting because your dog is so cute and you strike up so many conversations i can't believe your dog has a hoodie i know right small to medium-sized dogs if you go on the site oh right right so i was going to mention the promo normally we don't do launch promos but we do have one today if you buy the wan hoodie and a WAG hoodie. It's $24.99 for the WAG hoodie, but if you buy them together, you will get a $10 discount that's applied automatically at the checkout.

Starting point is 00:23:13 You can match your dog. So you can match your dog. It's decently stretchy, and it's not super resistant. So if your dog was a little bit big, it would be okay. Yeah, but do please follow the size guide very carefully we are hoping to expand our available sizes to accommodate larger dogs but not for now

Starting point is 00:23:32 not for now so cute um i don't know what you're talking about pretzel parkour um i don't know apparently we no longer accept a perfectly working card yeah all you can do is contact support we'll try and get you sorted out um I mean better for us to not take your money than to take your money and like not you know deliver it I guess yeah we're doing okay just needs contact yeah you got a contact support look at this ah hey Ripley I can't believe Jake put this thing on his cat Yep Man it is so fun that we have so many of our staffers come in to

Starting point is 00:24:21 You know model the merch and bring in their dogs. What a fun shoot. Hey There's Dennis and Charlie Good boy Charlie what a fun shoot hey there's dennis and charlie good boy charlie ah that was a weird spot for my cursor with it on his eye like that i love how his i love how his cat doesn't even seem to like mine oh no arlo's chill whatever oh sweetest sweater arlo gives zero f's uh we have a couple of other things to announce this week we have two new limited edition sticker packs, computer cats and gaming dogs. So these are going to be in the bonus bin. I mean, you can just buy them if you really want to, but they are bonus bin items, I think.

Starting point is 00:24:55 I'm pretty sure they're bonus bin items. So these are actual dogs of Linus Media Group. I don't know all of their names. Maybe that's... It is a bonus bin item. It's a bonus bin. Okay of their names maybe that's it is a bonus bin item it's a bonus okay good maybe that's something we specify uh but i do know this cat is dash that's my cat um i'm pretty sure oh this has got to be arlo i'm not sure all of the other cats necessarily but yep they're they're all actual cats of actual people who work here and i'm sure sarah Sarah knows who they belong to.

Starting point is 00:25:26 And then the final thing is we have just launched our mystery plaid. So the latest addition to our popular mystery series. If you want to get a deal and you don't necessarily care what color of plaid flannel you get, you can pick up the mystery plaid flannel for $39.99 US. It's the same great quality just in a mystery color so if you uh check out the yep there it is it could be this it could be of this it could be this or it could be this very cool all right someone asked is there a uh

Starting point is 00:26:02 behind the scenes video of the photo shoot of the WAG hoodie? I don't know. And that could be a kind of fun idea, is behind-the-scenes of some photo shoots. We have. We have done one. Yeah, we did one with the 3D Down jacket. But I'm not sure if they would have thought to do a behind-the-scenes of this one. That would be a great question for our community coordinator, he's not off probation yet,

Starting point is 00:26:25 but I bet if you posted it on the subreddit or something, if you're like, hey, attention, LMG community coordinator, don't post a bunch of other random stuff because the only one I'm going to flag for him is this one. But if you're like, hey, is there a behind the scenes coming? I'm sure he'd be happy to figure that out for you. There's going to be like a million of those threads now. I mean, I'll just tell him to ignore them.

Starting point is 00:26:44 So it'll be fine. I don't want to create unnecessary work for people guys there's no point yeah um all right why don't we jump into our next big topic switch modder released from prison with life destroying fine this is a tough one because on the one hand one of our other topics is going to be hey thank goodness for a large fine for a change because if you don't have the fine reflect the magnitude of the criminal action then companies will just treat fines as cost of doing business and shrug them off but in this case we are talking about an individual different when it's an individual but an individual who engaged in commercial activities as part of their criminal endeavors let's get through this canadian fellow canadian gary bowser amazing has been granted early release from his 40-month prison sentence on grounds of good behavior and undisclosed health problems the background here

Starting point is 00:27:54 is that bowser pled guilty to trafficking mod chips that allowed pirated games to be played on switch consoles in late 2021 as part of his involvement in Team Executor. Bowser was not a modder himself. His role was primarily PR and marketing. While Bowser's plea deal spared him substantial jail time, he's still facing a fine of $14.5 million, of which he has only paid $175 through menial jobs at the prison library and kitchen.

Starting point is 00:28:26 Should Bowser get another job upon his return to Canada, his pay will be garnished 25-30% to service the fine that he owes Nintendo. Bowser is 52 years old and has physical limitations due to his ill health. Assuming a typical life expectancy of 81 years, Bowser would have to earn $500,000 a year, not including living expenses, in order to pay off his debt before he dies. This really does seem like cruel and unusual punishment. Yes. The thing you brought up with like, oh, we have another topic about a company getting slammed with a fine. Usually we don't. It is interesting that today we do happen to have one. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:29:11 But it is actually very uncommon. And something that we very often talk about is how these companies getting slap on the wrist fines for like 5% to 10% or less of the profit that they made doing a certain venture just does nothing because that's just a cost of doing business for them. Um, the scale of this is quite egregious though. The fact that there's no, uh, there's no timeframe during which his wages are garnished. I mean, and look, you know what? I mean mean i was about to draw parallels to child support where i say like look we're not talking about another innocent life that you know gary bowser walked out on and is refusing to support or something like that even with child support when they become an adult you're no longer obligated to pay it right how does this make any sense and i mean and coming back to a punishment that is

Starting point is 00:30:10 proportionate to the to the means right to the to the to the um the capabilities of the of the person being punished or the entity being punished like on the one hand i'm looking at it going yeah okay so um garnishing wages i guess is better than taking 100 all the time you know forcing him to what put up a cup on the street and then literally take that and give it to nintendo obviously i guess it's better than that but it is clear it is obvious that this 14 and a half million dollar sentence is completely unattainable. And he's also just probably screwed. Like if we can have a probably unfortunate conversation here, cost of living right now is insane. Well, yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:59 Like a huge percentage of people I know, if their wages just got deleted by 25 to 30%, they're just screwed. Yeah, they're out. They're done. Like, out of the house, on the street, immediately screwed. And he's stuck with that for life. And there's nothing in our talking points about this, but I would have to make the assumption that Nintendo would have thought of him just declaring bankruptcy and walking away from it. Hence the wage garnishing. So there's just no way out. I mean, honestly, if like...

Starting point is 00:31:35 The chance that he's going to start making... Would he be better off in prison? Very possibly, because I honestly, I don't... Like a minimum security prison. If he doesn't have job prospects lined up that are very, very lucrative, then he's going to be on the street anyways. Like I. I'm. I've been trying to think of like solutions.

Starting point is 00:32:02 Yeah. I've been trying to think of like solutions yeah what would you think if it was like he it doesn't start getting garnished until he makes a minimum of some amount of money per year okay I mean I have to be able to earn a livable wage before the garnishing yeah we can

Starting point is 00:32:16 play kind of point counterpoint here a little bit like I'll play devil's advocate just to be clear that's what I'm doing but my defense to that if I'm Nintendo right is well then he's just going to carefully not declare any income above that amount and we get nothing. Yeah, so the country can't just take

Starting point is 00:32:31 another homeless person, though. You're like basically... I know. If that rule... I know you're playing devil's advocate. I know. But that's what they would say. I get that.

Starting point is 00:32:40 But as the country of Canada, I would just be like, no. Because it's going to cost the country a ton of money in this situation. Sure. But if I'm Nintendo, I'm kind of going, well, that sure as heck isn't my problem. And my copyright was infringed. Yeah. So welcome to the limitations. I don't know. Yeah. I don't think a company should be able to just like decide that someone's going to be homeless for the rest of their lives. That's crazy to me. Like unacceptable. And absolutely ridiculous. And what's really

Starting point is 00:33:15 mind blowing to me is how, I mean, I guess that's sort of part of the cruel and unusual punishment right is the unusualness of it um so i'm countless countless people have been involved in you know whether we want to talk about uh what were they called r4 chips or whatever for the ds like in was a court not a company so i've i've heard sorry sorry i just i see a bunch of people saying it was a court, not a company. That is like, in a lot of ways, true. Yeah. Because the company can ask for whatever. Yes. And lawyers and all this whole structure will encourage you to ask more than...

Starting point is 00:33:55 It's the whole bargaining thing, right? I want to sell this thing. I'm going to ask for like two times as much as I think. Start high, settle less high. Yeah. So it's going to be a very difficult conversation to convince them to ask for what they actually want because nothing is structured to work that way also it's nintendo so what they want probably is blood yeah probably they're like

Starting point is 00:34:15 massive jerks um but the the court did push it through yeah so it really it is on the court and that's just... I'm just mad at everybody. I just want to make that part clear. I'm not saying the court is not to blame, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I just think this is... Whatever. I don't personally care.

Starting point is 00:34:36 I don't know enough about that kind of stuff. The result is not okay. Yeah. Our discussion question here actually addresses how unusual this harsh punishment punishment is and kind of asks the question does this actually reduce piracy or i mean knowing what we know about human nature the way people gamble right are people just going to keep making mod chips i think it's going to be way worse. And R4 cartridges and whatever else, knowing that they probably will escape any kind of punishment at all, and probably someone else is just going to get strung up to the tree

Starting point is 00:35:13 while they continue to run amok. All I've seen online about this, in a lot of the circles that I end up seeing, is just people deck-thumping, like, just pirate everything from nintendo you possibly can that's the main communication i've seen out of this like they're not they're not succeeding in in making people not mad say that now there's some there's some really good points that are being brought up by the floatplane chat right now um vinyl says i've seen allegations that the mod chip company not him personally but the company brought in an astonishing amount of revenue up to 10 million dollars over time and that is fair enough it is well within nintendo's

Starting point is 00:35:52 right to chase that lost revenue but it's pretty clear that gary bowser doesn't have it yes so what just because he was the one that you managed to nail down so you shouldn't go so so are it feels like they're they've gone after like a low-level mob crony and you know pretty much yeah stapled them to the cross and kind of gone haha we did it, guys! Haha, business! When the boss is still walking free, this is not the win that you think it is. Because if organized crime has taught us anything, it's that there's always someone low down who is going to be put in the way to take the fall. Fed to the machine to satiate whoever or whatever else. And I'm not saying that what what mr bowser did is justifiable no i'm not saying that it was legal nope um i'm just saying that

Starting point is 00:36:52 compared to almost anything else that i have seen uh this really does seem to fit the definition of cruel and unusual punishment yeah to to not just penalize what someone has, but what they will ever have. When we're not talking, again, we're not talking about a situation where it could be justified. We're not talking about the livelihood and well-being of a child, you know,

Starting point is 00:37:18 that had no choice in the matter. I mean, I guess Nintendo had, well, they did have a choice in the matter actually they didn't have to pursue such a ridiculous punishment yeah and like the court put it through so just like re-upping

Starting point is 00:37:35 that yes the court put it through massive problems there but Nintendo also had the option to get the to get the verdict and basically say, Well, we're happy to reduce this. We're happy to reduce this, but let this be,

Starting point is 00:37:51 because that's a big part of what Nintendo thinks is such a win here, is that this is a precedent now. Now they've got a precedent to point to and go, Yeah, that's right. Don't do it. But it could have been. They could have made an example out of gary bowser without actually destroying the rest of his life and you know what from my point of view if this had then come up again case number two and they'd gone all right we're litigating this again we've

Starting point is 00:38:19 got our precedent now we're throwing the full book at them i could even see it at least they fired a warning shot i still don't think so because like there's no there's no limitations on this i'm not saying it would be right i'm saying it would be better than this i wouldn't have even thought i wouldn't have even thought this is possible yeah yeah yeah yeah the fact that there's no statute of limitations whatsoever. The fact that the cost of living, like the livable wage in, I think he's in Toronto? I don't know. I don't remember. The cost of living, livable wage in Canada in general, but especially in like Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal, these types of places is so high. Like the cost of living in Canada versus the average income is a really, really rough calculation right now.

Starting point is 00:39:13 Canada is constantly falling in average GDP. Like you look at like the States versus Canada and the States' incomes and Canada's incomes are going up at relatively similar rates. But Canada's cost of living is going up at a higher rate. So like we're making we're getting less like Whatever you call it play with money after your cost of living Constantly Canada is getting really really rough to be in now he has to do 25 to 30 percent more on top of that and As far as I know doesn't have job prospects lined up like the other thing is you do the other thing that's really offending me here i think sofa king

Starting point is 00:39:50 stupid over on twitch uh is proving their username kind of inaccurate here uh points out um and this is a really good point that maybe part of what we're so mad about right now, even if we didn't think of it, is the number of white collar crimes like this that by comparison just get a little slap on the wrist. That was our intro point, man. Oh, I don't know. I was just mad already. I was talking about companies, I guess. No, I'm talking about even individual white collar crime. I mean, why is the wolf of Wall Street walking free?

Starting point is 00:40:22 Yeah. I mean, why is the wolf of Wall Street walking free? Yeah. How? Why? Why? Why doesn't he owe whatever for the rest of his life? To be clear, I don't I don't know the exact details of what went down in that particular particular takedown.

Starting point is 00:40:39 The point is that it doesn't matter. Right. There's plenty of examples like this. I mean, the 2008 financial crisis. Did anyone even anyone even get jail time pretty i don't think so i don't know much about it but i don't think so yeah i think i remember reading that there's like one or two like right when it was like a huge array of people like it should not have just been that one apparently one guy yeah as if one person did the whole thing sure okay um yeah i don't know i'm just i'm pissed i hate this it's stupid you shouldn't be able to condemn someone and that's basically what that's basically what this is yeah yeah like oh oh here's a perfect

Starting point is 00:41:17 example um uh uh what's what's her what's her face uh the one that had the college scholarships company or something like that. College scholarships. Scam. Startup. Man, this is really great. Charlie. Oh, I thought it was. Oh, yeah, yeah, here we go.

Starting point is 00:41:49 The startup founder who fooled JP Morgan into spending $175 million on her startup by just fabricating accounts. I don't actually think she's been sentenced yet, but this reminds me, I read a really funny article. Funny, weird. It was an article that investigated how many of forbes's 30 under 30 eventually ended up like in prison and it was like a lot like sam bankman freed uh her um uh the uh the martin screlly i don't know if he was forbes 30 under 30 but

Starting point is 00:42:25 uh it seems like he probably would have been might have been on the list not sure but then there was the one with the fake i think diabetes testing thing is that elizabeth homes i remember this yeah yeah hold on hold on that that was her thing i think wow she's the second most popular elizabeth after olsen and before banks according to my search history anyway anyway she has appealed her unjust conviction apparently so like okay she wants to stay out of prison someone in twitch chat said didn't gary bowser commit wire fraud install ransomware on people's devices and a bunch of other non-nintendo related crimes isn't that what he got really messed up over at no point in time in this conversation did we ever say that he was a good person yeah i don't know anything about him not even once nope what what i what i said what i started out with was that in the canadian charter of rights

Starting point is 00:43:18 and freedoms etc etc i think we have a constitution too actually now i think about it i can't remember what the documents are called doesn't matter the point is that cruel and unusual punishment is not cool and this really feels like it to me yeah all right let's move on to our next segment here i just want to explain merch messages those of you who are new to the show might think oh i should send a super chat or some Twitch bits. Hey, how about you don't do that, and instead of feeding some more money into the overflowing coffers of Amazon and Google, you could send a merch message instead.

Starting point is 00:43:56 The main benefit is that instead of just digital pixels on a screen, you can get digital pixels on a screen and your order in the mail from ltdstore.com. All you have to do to send a merch message, which will get your little shout out, you know, Hey mom or happy birthday Janice or whatever it is that you want to put down there. You can get that popping up on the bottom of the screen and you will get

Starting point is 00:44:17 your order in the mail. Did I already say that part? Right. In order to do that, all you have to do is go to ltdstore.com, check out whether it's some of our new items like the wag hoodie or the mystery plaid flannel, and then in the checkout, you will see a box that will prompt you to fill it out if we are live

Starting point is 00:44:33 and leave us a merch message. We will go through them to the best of our ability. I am not going to promise that we are going to get through all of them. Oh, wow, our dashboard's been upgraded. This is super cool. Hold on a second. I'm just going to show my dashboard real quick. We now have merch messages per minute. Oh, where'd it go? In queue. It was here. Yeah, here we go. Why are you showing this? Yeah, I don't know. I thought it was cool. We just

Starting point is 00:44:58 upgraded the dashboard. Okay. What? It's cool. Merch messages per minute is three. And then, oh, watch this. Next announcement. So you're going to see it. Did it go? Is it going to go? I don't know. It might go. Something.

Starting point is 00:45:09 Anyway. The point is, our cool little dashboard got some upgrades. Hey, thanks, Floatplane team. And so we'll go through them. And to the best of our ability, answer as many of them as we can. Dan, you want to hit us with some merch messages? Sure. First one that's up here from Bucky.

Starting point is 00:45:24 It's eager for a bigger wag hoodie he's got a 90 pound uh gsd 38 inch chest uh any advice for an unemployed embedded c programmer with no online portfolio how to catch up on programming shifts from the past 20 years yeah i was gonna oh yeah i knew that ending was coming sorry i'm not trying to laugh at you um wow whoo uh embedded c i mean luke what go ahead oh yeah wow uh do you want to is a question that I would ask because there are still jobs for that. Like, do you want to just look for one of those? You don't technically have to have a portfolio thing. What is this? What did you do?

Starting point is 00:46:16 I didn't do anything. Nothing. There's something else going on. OK, that's really wacky. But anyways. Sorry, that's really wacky. But anyways. Sorry, that's extremely distracting. I'm going to click on another window so it stops doing that to me. All right, we're good. Yeah, I would just try to continue with the job in your field. There's work for embedded C programmers.

Starting point is 00:46:41 There like definitely is. I know you don't have an online portfolio but you if you've been doing it for 20 years it sounds like you should be able to pass a coding test or something else like i don't know yeah so basically you're saying probably it would be easier to change careers outright and instead of like instead of like fully re-educated well no not 100 but instead of like fully re-educating to like, no, not 100%, but instead of like fully re-educating to like some web programming setup, which is actually very different than like embedded C programming, I would just try to stay in that lane where there is definitely still work. Right. Not probably as much work.

Starting point is 00:47:19 Yeah. But there's definitely still work if you do want to flip over there's an absolute vast ocean of free programming learning tools um learn to code i believe is literally a website i know it was like a saying a while ago but i think it's a website now uh there's leet code there's code free code camp there's uh if you want to pay for courses there's some courses courses from, is it called Udemy? I believe it's Udemy. Right. That are supposed to be really good.

Starting point is 00:47:49 There's tons of places to relearn. But yeah, you don't have to. You don't have to. All right. Hit us again. Okay. Next up from Pablo. Luke, do you think that with the latest generation of AI tools.

Starting point is 00:48:01 Mike is muted. Luke, do you think that with the latest generation of AI tools, that today's youth are going to be depriving themselves of background learning just by getting exactly what they ask for from the model? I feel like that exact same question, but asked in a slightly different way with slightly different parameters, could have been asked about things for the last huge amount of time. I think I would like to think, I don't know if this is true or not. I would like to think that most people are naturally curious and will learn more than they need to about things.

Starting point is 00:48:35 And if you want to hit a certain level of excellence, they're going to have to do that. So I don't know. I think it will compromise it in the exact same way that people are generally not as good at mental math as they used to be because of the calculator. But it's not like people can't do math anymore. All right, here's again. All right, let's get into some rapid fire now too. Linus, where's the best place to post pupper pics?

Starting point is 00:49:01 Pupper pics? Yes, of the dogs in the wag hoodie. Oh, I mean, I'd love to see them on the forum. That would be freaking awesome. Also, the reviews on lttstore.com do support image uploads, even though almost nobody uses that feature. Both. So we would love to see pictures of your dog in the WAG hoodie.

Starting point is 00:49:19 And for that matter, we'd love to see pictures of your guys' setups with the desk pads or drinking from your water bottle. Extra points if you Photoshop a speech bubble that says lttstore.com while you're drinking. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, on the ABCs of gaming, I had a couple people send me pictures of them reading it to their little ones, which is super touching. There. Okay, these are rapid fire, so I'm supposed to go really fast. Any meet and greets jeweled for LTX?

Starting point is 00:49:47 Yes. It's called LTX. Awesome. I'll be all over the place. The rest of the LTT team will be all over the place, and we're going to have a ton of awesome creators there, some of whom are going to have graciously offered to do meet and greets.

Starting point is 00:50:02 I'm really excited. After you started Merch Messages, did YouTube or Twitch give you any push for getting away from Super Chats or bits? No, I think YouTube was appropriately embarrassed that Super Chats were not working properly. Yeah, they actually were working for a bit and they seem to be broken again. So that's pretty cool. I don't know what else to say other than, hey guys, I mean, you know, it's not like I turned them off. I'm happy to take money on YouTube

Starting point is 00:50:33 if people just wanna throw it at the screen and have their chat highlighted in the side window or whatever, by all means, go ahead and do your thing. But I just think that merch messages not only work properly, but they are a much better value for our viewers. Yeah. Also some float plane people just pointed out, you can edit your reviews and add a picture.

Starting point is 00:50:52 Oh, okay. So if there's a review that you've already left and you want to add some picture context, you can do that. I am buying this screwdriver to put together $20,000 worth of Ikea kitchen cabinets. What tech in the kitchen that is nice touch you would recommend? A drill. A kitchen drill?

Starting point is 00:51:12 No, I mean like, do not use a hand screwdriver to assemble that much Ikea furniture. For the love of all that is good, please use a power tool. That's so much. Luke, what's the most frustrating bug you have ever had to deal with it broke him it's the one where I start thinking and then all I can see is an hourglass turning around inside my own brain I'm not gonna give a specific but you literally any time I go to be excited to show something to Linus And then it just like immediately shatters in front of my eyes

Starting point is 00:51:53 I'll just I'll just insert that scenario instead of a particular bug it happens a lot I'll like be messing with this thing all day, and then I'll be like alright sweet It's like our scheduled meeting time to go show lies he clicks on one thing. It's just like I do have that effect on things. I mean it's good because then we get to try to fix it before we release it but like Yeah, and last one any updates on the LTT laptop bag yes We're working on it. Amazing update. All right, let's jump into another topic here.

Starting point is 00:52:36 Game devs are cracking down on hardware cheating. We've talked a fair bit about hardware cheating in the past, but what's funny is this particular method of hardware cheating is not really what we focused on no so we had talked about things like um you know a robot arm that would move your mouse for you to point at an enemy so a type of aim bot that would be pretty much impossible for software to detect because there are no additional processes running alongside the game. But this still actually wouldn't stop that, because a lot of those use normal mice. Right. But the thing is that this kind of hardware cheating isn't something that I ever really thought about, in spite of the fact that I'm a bit of a keyboard mouse supremacist.

Starting point is 00:53:19 I still didn't think of it. Activision, Bungie, and Ubisoft are evidently cracking down on cheating via hardware modules that allow the user to bypass standard software anti-cheat detection so the kind of anti-cheat that they're detecting is users who are disguising their keyboard and mouse as a game controller yes and then competing in game controller lobbies with like the aimlock obviously superior keyboard and mouse plus the like auto aim and aim lock that you get with a controller unbeatable because now you can snap onto people way faster you can switch targets way faster you can do all this other kind of. But it will hold your aimer on the person. Yeah, it's 360 no-scope aim lock.

Starting point is 00:54:07 Yeah. Right? It's a huge advantage. Yeah. So after Activision announced a new hardware pass-through, so that's what it's called, a hardware pass-through detection system for Call of Duty a few weeks ago, a large glut of these devices apparently flooded the second-hand market this is a cool um

Starting point is 00:54:27 maybe unintentional positive side effect of like gacha mechanics is that it actually punishes people for cheating because when you lose your account yeah you actually lose in-game items that have your real value anyway this is very very much a side discussion I still wish we'd go back to you buy the game and just have the game but as far as my understanding goes a lot of Them just don't care and they'll just buy the skins again I mean okay because like the the Tarkov people that cheat a Huge percentage of them buy the most expensive possible version of the game which is like over two times the normal price and Just has like more like inventory space and stuff.

Starting point is 00:55:05 Because they just don't, they're paying for the cheat too. They just, money is, they're whales, right? I always sit down with my kids and I'm like, okay, is that real? No. Do we pay for that? No. All right. Good.

Starting point is 00:55:19 We can continue. Now, an obvious solution to these issues would simply be to ban all pass-through devices however and that's why this is here yeah you would also be catching folks who rely on things like the adaptive controller the crossfire controller is insanely powerful this is actually like one of the coolest devices that is released in a really long time because if you see all these little like kind of dots at the top those are all extensible yeah they're there things like i think it's in here we could take it out if we want it but there's a huge rack of plugs on the back that you can plug more things into the adaptable

Starting point is 00:56:01 controller um i had a friend recently who uh i think they like yeah so basically every every function of the controller has its own three and a half millimeter jack that can be used to plug in some kind of of device that is uh that is more more usable to so if you if your if your arm is is locked to your side for some reason, you could have a joystick that presses up into your palm and you move it around like this using your whole palm instead of just your thumb. Yeah, the joystick connectors are USB and they're on the side.

Starting point is 00:56:38 You could have a button that's near your head. And if you have mobility in your neck, so you could lean into it, you could press a button using your head. I had a buddy recently who severely damaged one of their wrists and i had suggested that they use one of these and they don't in in order to gain input into a game that they could use while having their hand in a cast these things are actually amazing and essential yes so i was so proud proud of Microsoft when they released that. And I still think that's extremely cool that they're supporting it.

Starting point is 00:57:08 And so if we were to ban pass-through devices, it would be really hard to tell the difference between a bad pass-through device for cheaters and a pass-through device for people who just want to play the game. Yeah. Bungie in particular has emphasized they're focused on players who use these devices to gain an unfair competitive advantage and has explicitly reassured players who require adaptive tools to participate that they will not be banned. I mean, I'd be surprised if the odd... Get accidentals.

Starting point is 00:57:40 Yeah, there's probably going to be some collateral damage here, accidentals. Yeah, there's going to be there's probably going to be some collateral damage here, but hopefully we can avoid too much of that because that is the last thing that people who rely on their adaptive controller to play need to deal with. Yes, agreed. In addition to device detection,

Starting point is 00:57:56 the Bungie security team will be monitoring gameplay for unusual patterns of player behavior to indicate cheating. However, it is still possible and even likely that these systems will sometimes flag players with a legitimate need. Discussion question here. Bungie specifically defines cheating as using an outside tool to change the intended experience

Starting point is 00:58:15 of the game, in this case by removing a challenge. Is this a good understanding of cheating and how would you define it? See, I wouldn't just say changing the intended experience of a game i would say changing the intended experience of the game for another player because changing the intended experience of the game for myself is modding changing the experience for someone else is screwing them over and you know what i had wanted to talk about this actually when we were discussing the gary bowser uh, where I basically was going to say like time equals money. And in a sense, that 14 and a half million dollar sentence is, is, is basically like handing down multiple

Starting point is 00:58:58 lifetime sentences. If that's all that this person could ever earn, you kind of get what I mean. And so, so to me, it's, it's the proportionality of the sentence that just makes absolutely no sense here. Um, so in this, in this same way, um, I, you know, the way that I define, um, wrong is in the way that it affects someone else. Now, obviously there are limitations. that it affects someone else. Now, obviously, there are limitations.

Starting point is 00:59:29 If someone were to, you know, follow me around and just sit there being upset and offended every time I used the word the, I would kind of go, well, then leave. Goodbye. Also, enjoy life as someone who's just perpetually offended by everything. Bye. He never said the in that sentence yeah i was careful respectful very good wasn't on purpose i was trying to catch you but in this case there is a reasonable expectation from that other player

Starting point is 00:59:58 that they should be able to play the game without somebody impeding them in a way that was not expected nor intended by the game developer so in our mutually understood definition of what this experience is supposed to be you're affecting not only your own but you're affecting someone else's and in a way that is detrimental and it's that is the definition of cheating to me it's clearly trying to break rules because like with the keyboard mast as a controller thing that we're talking about you can play with a controller or you can play with a keyboard you're screwing with things to make it think that you're doing something that you're not so it there's clear intention here yeah i think the intent is another really i think i think the

Starting point is 01:00:41 intent is important even if it's difficult to prove. Yeah. Either way, I mean, I'm generally pretty receptive to anything that makes the gaming playing field more level and that rewards people who play the game properly and punishes cheaters. In this case, all I hope is that we don't see too many innocent users caught in the crossfire Yeah, should we talk about the big Seagate ban? Yeah, rather the fine for violating an export ban I feel like I've done all the topics up till now Seagate Technology Holdings has admitted to wrongdoing and agreed to pay 300 to agree to pay a 300 million dollar fine to settle allegations that it sold 7.4 million hard disks to Huawei, violating a 2020 export ban. This is the largest single administrative penalty ever levied by the U.S. Commerce Department's Bureau of Industry and Security,

Starting point is 01:01:40 and it is meant to represent double the estimated profit Seagate accrued from the illicit sales. Seagate's annual net income for 2022 was $1.6 billion. And their estimated profit from sales was a period, because we don't have that note. I'm not sure what happened there. But profits can be a lot less than REF. $1.6 billion based on that the settlement was meant to be double the expected profits. That makes sense. So we can solve for X here. Let's go.

Starting point is 01:02:09 Yeah, yeah. Very good. Some background information. In August of 2020, the U.S. Commerce Department expanded export restrictions against Huawei after they allegedly tried to obtain advanced technologies to undermine U.S. national security. While Huawei's two other primary suppliers stopped shipments Seagate continued sales for 11 months as Huawei's sole supplier Seagate even extended multiple lines of credit worth 1 billion dollars to Huawei to help them purchase more hard drives and to be clear Everyone knew that this export ban was going on.

Starting point is 01:02:46 Oh, yeah. It was like in all of the news. Yeah. We talked about it on WAN Show. That's even like probably one of the smaller ones. Talk about like every news agency. They 100% knew what they were doing. So here's what I want to know.

Starting point is 01:03:02 On the one hand, I think you and I probably both agree that if a corporation breaks the law, the fine should it is that it's, it sort of comes across maybe not hypocritical, but, um, I guess the cynic in me looks at this and goes, huh? So it turns out that you do know how to properly punish this sort of behavior when you actually care.

Starting point is 01:03:42 But when the transgression is against the individual user it's like i don't know four dollars per user you know class action whatever actually most of it just goes to the lawyers this seems like a good system yeah where is this justice for individual users particularly when it comes to data privacy or when it comes to other rights violations? You know, how is it that, you know, someone like a TransUnion, man, I remember being so mad. TransUnion's own website, back when I had to sign up for it for credit monitoring because

Starting point is 01:04:18 something, something, my insurance wouldn't cover me unless I had credit monitoring, something, something. And it doesn't matter. The point is I had to have this stupid service that I me unless I had credit monitoring something something and it doesn't matter the point is I had to have This stupid service that I signed up for for credit monitoring because of some identity something incident that took place and TransUnion's own website had a like a

Starting point is 01:04:37 Help article talking about the importance of two-factor and at the time TransUnion's own accounts didn't support two-factor i pointed this out to the rep and they're just like and how many how many breaches have they suffered and so i know of at least one yeah and and we're not talking breaches of trivial things right like you know oh man i mean nothing's trivial nothing Nothing's trivial when it comes to personal data, but we're talking, you know, SIN numbers, which are our equivalent of an SSN, right? A social security number. These are things that while technically can be changed, are a royal pain in the butt to change and can be extremely beneficial to ne'er-do-wells, right? Like

Starting point is 01:05:21 there's databases out there that are going to have basically every piece of information that you could ever want to keep out of people's hands pretty much across the board at this point, because nobody is actually punishing this stuff in a way that is meaningful and forces them to take data security seriously. I mean, we went through, this was an interesting conversation. I was complaining to Luke about how our new password manager takes a long time to open. And he was like let me tell you about that that's because they are actually decrypting it the reason our old password manager was so fast well yeah was because it wasn't being stored at all times in an encrypted manner and i'm like oh well that's freaking amazing then yeah the usability of the the stuff we're using now is is genuinely worse in like a lot of ways in my opinion but theoretically it's

Starting point is 01:06:14 more secure so on the one hand yeah i'm happy but on the other hand no i'm actually like pretty pissed off right because this is just yet another double standard and i'm i'm just kind of tired of it so yeah show us you actually mean business there uh dan that just still says the thing we're doing we did too way to go dan's keeping us in line it's supposed to be additional topics additional ones yeah you can do as many as you want until i tell you to do something else oh oh all right cool well your average consumer yeah posted a review of the ltd backpack tech reviewer pack rat and lover of big backpacks judner aura reviewed the ltt backpack he's at pros huge capacity highly functional comfortable doesn't cause strain after long periods wearing

Starting point is 01:07:15 it well built great material and layout he loves all the pockets and the compartments and anti-theft features and rfid. Cons. Might not be for everyone. Sometimes you don't need big, and it can be visually plain, somewhat boxy. A major downside for people looking for a more, potentially in their opinion, stylish backpack. Very loud orange inside. Would prefer teal. Really? Oh, dang it. Where's the bloody... Is that teal? I don't think that's teal. don't think it's teal i mean it's tealish what i'm looking at looks like black no no look over there oh so he wants the luxe bag

Starting point is 01:07:55 anyway carry on uh summary quote this is directly from him if you're in the camp that you don't care about looks you just want it to work well, you want it to do its job to the pinnacle of how it should be done, this bag is absolutely for you. I'm taking that as a W. Big win. I'm taking that as a W. We take those.

Starting point is 01:08:17 Judner is a bit of a baghead. Okay, that came out wrong. But I think you understand what I mean. I didn't think it was that way. You bloody baghead. Okay, no bloody baghead okay, no not like that thing no, I don't think so It kind of sounds like it's like a weird insult Dan. Can you can you confirm? Is that is that a thing just call someone a bag? Okay, perfect. He claims to be British. Anyway, the point is that bag enthusiasts Okay, I I'm gonna finish the quote Cougar Hunter wait, sorry what, I'm going to finish the quote.

Starting point is 01:08:45 Cougar Hunter. Wait, sorry. What? Oh, I'm going to finish the quote. I need to stop Linus. Uh,

Starting point is 01:08:50 if you do care about looks, it's tougher. Kudos to Linus and the team. They made an amazing product worth every penny. You just got to see if it's something that fits your style. You know what? It's all fair. It's good.

Starting point is 01:09:02 I, I consider that very fair because we knew what we were doing people talk about how it's boxy and i'm like yeah that's how it fits so much it's like perfectly snugly under an airplane it's basically the size of an airplane carry-on like what do you want from me that that's all that's by design it's it's because we expect people to be able to this is great oh i love this judner's list and a picture of everything that he carries in the bag. This is freaking awesome. Okay.

Starting point is 01:09:32 One laptop, sometimes two. That's by design because we know that so many people will have a personal and a work laptop with them. Sometimes at the same time, particularly for when they're traveling, right? Three tablets, okay. Extra phone, yes. Three portable gaming devices, okay. Really, man? I mean, you know what?

Starting point is 01:09:55 These do address very different needs. A Switch, a Steam Deck, and a Pocket, I think. All right. Bunch of cables, heck yeah. Two pairs of headphones, all right. Yeah. I think. All right. Bunch of cables. Heck yeah. Two pairs of headphones. All right. Hidden AirTag. Love it.

Starting point is 01:10:09 Two SSDs, USB hub and a portable charger. Man, I love this because honestly, I've only spoken with Judner a handful of times. Like I wouldn't describe us as best of friends. I definitely respect his work and every interaction I've ever had with him has been extremely positive. But this is not just like it's not paid. It's not only cover it,

Starting point is 01:10:46 but actually daily freaking drive it, use it for an extended period of time, and we still get the positive review. I don't think we even sent one to him. I would have to confirm that. I have no idea. I don't know, but I think he might have bought it. Either way, like I said,

Starting point is 01:11:04 I've been following his work for a long time and i i respect him i don't think he would be the kind of person who would give a favorable review just because we did provide a review sample but i i actually don't know so i'm gonna i'm gonna find out i will find out i'm calling the person who would know mr nick light who needs time off when you can talk to linus about work this will go through at some point maybe hello hello tell us hello unless unless oh seriously okay unless it's all of us trying to do work and linus just wants Tell us. Hello? Unless, unless... You have reached the voicemail. Oh, seriously? Okay. Unless it's all of us trying to do work

Starting point is 01:11:49 and Linus just won't stop playing Vampire Survivors. What? What are you talking about? I don't know what you're talking about. I would never do that. You just call him in a different way? Yeah. That way if he's like banging or whatever he'll know it's important

Starting point is 01:12:06 is he out of breath hey you're you're live on the wan show hello hey okay hold on i gotta i gotta turn you up a little bit here hey i just wanted to know did we send judner a backpack or did he buy it uh i think he bought it okay but you're not aware of us sending one to him uh not to my recollection but it's been a little while so it is possible but i think he bought it okay if i don't remember it and you don't remember it i'd say that's a pretty solid mine recollection, but it's been a little while. So it is possible, but I think he bought it. Okay.

Starting point is 01:12:48 If I don't remember it and you don't remember it, I'd say that's a pretty solid chance that we didn't send it to him. Okay. Thanks, Nick. Okay, no worries. Bye. Bye-bye. All right, he's back to whatever he was doing now.

Starting point is 01:13:00 I mean, it might get to take a second to get back in the mood, but... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or not. By now, he's probably, you know, settled in. Anyway, the point is, hey, thanks for yeah or not by now. He's probably you know settled in anyway the point is hey. Thanks for the review Appreciate it even if it had been more constructive. I would still have appreciated it We really do value honest feedback but I'm definitely more excited about W's

Starting point is 01:13:21 much oh Okay, you know what no we'll talk about that later. Oh! Okay, you know what? No, we'll talk about that later. Sorry. Dave, you want to pick a topic? Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. SpaceX Starship successfully explodes. Okay, that's not actually that misleading.

Starting point is 01:13:37 Yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah, pretty much. Do go on. SpaceX launched its new Starship rocket system yesterday. A few minutes later, the rocket experienced what SpaceX's Twitter account called, and their livestream and lots of other things, because it's actually actual terminology,

Starting point is 01:13:53 a RUD, or a Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly Before Stage Separation, i.e. kaboom. Much online commentary has framed this as a failure but it wasn't it was a test flight for a new more powerful rocket system the flight was unmanned and there was no reported injuries or or damage to property beyond the rocket and its payload that is not true at all but i'll go into that in a second spacex has previously warned that the odds of success were low and the primary purpose of the launch was to collect data and data collection did they do um a bunch of things was very useful the launch pad is gone so there was damage to more things than than just the rocket and its payload uh because the launch pad was like burnt to an absolute... It's literally gone.

Starting point is 01:14:48 There's a hole. Right. So that wasn't intended. And there's some ideas there. There was environmental damage. I'm assuming so. The whole launch pad is gone and there's a huge hole. So you could call that environmental damage.

Starting point is 01:15:03 They have some plans of how to deal with that in the future. A lot of them actually, and I'm sure they'll address it. But this is one of the whole goals of this thing, right? Someone on Twitch said, unintended launchpad removal. Yeah. You know, they rapidly prepped the site for new development. Kerbal space program style. Let's yeah, yeah, so I think is sweet Someone apparently got hit by debris did they actually that's what someone's saying my car got hit 500 meters away

Starting point is 01:15:36 Which is 500 meters from a launch site probably shouldn't park your car there well note for next time I mean yeah, but also like it could have been a lot more than 500 meters, too. Yeah I'm not going to believe any of those things unless I see official details. Oh, is this a screenshot of the launch pad? Yeah, okay. I'm coming over to your laptop. Yeah, so damage to only the Starship is a not so much Because there used to be a flat launch pad there we call that a whoopsie doodles yep but again like they as far as my understanding goes they were aware that there might be some problems there yeah and they already have plans for fixing it for next time this is what

Starting point is 01:16:16 tests are kind of about right like there's gonna be problems the fact that it blew up was not um was not actually like an issue. It was fine. They went into this 100% expecting that that could be a very likely outcome, right? If my understanding was correct, they expected it to land in the water and be like not properly recoverable, even if it didn't blow up. So like, yeah, it's a thing. Yeah. But yeah yeah that's cool if you haven't seen it yet i don't think we're going to show the footage here but you should go watch it because it's actually like really cool yeah it's pretty wild yeah i've read some theories i don't know how much of this stuff is true but some of the

Starting point is 01:16:56 issues with the launch pad are why some of the boosters didn't actually fire properly so the booster is not firing properly might not be as big of an issue as we initially thought because I think it might be related to the launch pad. I don't know if that's true or not. I've seen a lot of information on this that has already been debunked. So yeah, look into it yourself if you want.

Starting point is 01:17:17 The amount of armchair scientists has been very fun to watch. These idiots, they should have done this thing. Yeah sure dude Like there's all there's plenty of things as far as I can tell from actual real sources that like they did think of but you're Gonna think of different things forever and at a certain point you just need to test what you got It's kind of like it's kind of like a lot of the things that I see in the comments under our videos Like a really good one is at some point I was talking about how we've reordered more screwdrivers. And someone basically was like, after the failure of the backpack and screwdriver, how could he possibly be ordering?

Starting point is 01:17:56 Okay, come outside your little bubble that you live inside for two seconds and or like would you even be willing to consider that i am a just marginally rational being for a moment and that i wouldn't throw good money after bad if i'm ordering more okay if we're working on lux backpack if we're working on new colorways of the screwdriver if that's happening could you not consider a reason other than me being phenomenally stupid that i might be ordering more of them right like oh right if it sorry i actually worded that wrong maybe i am phenomenally stupid but it was probably successful right otherwise i would be phenomenally stupid to be ordering more so if your brain can't handle any reality where I'm not just spectacularly dumb and these were a failure, maybe the problem is you. And it's the same for looking at stuff like this.

Starting point is 01:18:55 A lot of experts do work at SpaceX and they've done a lot of stuff that's, quite frankly, just mind-bending, game-changing. a lot of stuff that's quite frankly just mind bending game changing yeah utter failure ltd store.com says hb curb over on twitch orders more failed products that mysteriously sell out it's probably a conspiracy i'm probably hiding those products in a warehouse somewhere just shoveling them in there so that i can pretend they're sold out so that i can order more apparently there was yeah i have so there's i don't know if this is legit at all. I'm not even going to show it, but there's a van, and it shows it getting hit by what looks like some flying blocks of cement. No, apparently it was parked there to record the launch, and they knew the risk.

Starting point is 01:19:37 And that is real. Yeah, okay. Chat was talking about that a fair bit before. Well, okay, I mean, if that's the case, then it sounds good. Because, yeah, if you go to watch these things, you have to be really far that's still damage for sure so it definitely still wasn't just the rocket oh yeah that's the only that's the only point for sure yeah definitely yeah yeah yeah i never thought it was just the rocket um but yeah really really really cool to see i'm excited i have had like no time since the launch to actually

Starting point is 01:20:06 like look into it because i've just been very busy but i'm excited to look into it more um and i've heard lots of really cool things and i want to see more of it i watched like just the little like you know three four minute clip yeah and that was awesome so i'm excited to watch more nemzy and float playing chat says these guys clearly don't understand the concept of a whale or how many you have it's not actually the whales that drive the store success like we have you mean what i could totally see a whale buying 50 000 screwdrivers why not that's not how that works like we have stats and there are people whose lifetime spend is very high because like as they're as much of their wardrobe is ltt store as mine is uh but there's only so many shirts you can buy yeah like there's a limit

Starting point is 01:20:53 right you can't go full like um you know i'm trying to think like candy crush you wail on this uh rise of kingdoms or whatever the mobile games are called. What's that cringe one that everyone's mad at people for taking sponsorship money from? Not Clash of Clans. Raid Shadow Legends. We're not talking about people spending tens of thousands of dollars on LTTStore.com. You can only use so many

Starting point is 01:21:17 screwdrivers at once. No, we actually just really did sell over 100,000 screwdrivers. I think we're up to about 125, 130,000. Now we're moving. We removed the counter, but I mean,

Starting point is 01:21:29 I'm all about transparency guys. So we're still moving on average about 200 to 250 a day. It's wildly successful. And no, it's not because we have somehow bamboozled people into buying it there's just one person it just takes them that long to add 250 to the cart it's just it's i'm telling you man it's just it's just one way one whale runs the whole store okay yeah oh yeah how do you think everything releases successful yeah i mean it's got to be just that one My my stock is they're good products. It's just one big whale

Starting point is 01:22:07 Yeah, any any opposition I've had to anything that Elon Musk has done is actually just a big smokescreen Because we're BFFs and he orders everything off of LTC Personal favor. Yeah. Yeah, and then I I've got to kind of run interference on this whole thing That's where my like 40 chess theories about him trying to offload twitter while he secretly turns it into the everything app but people won't see it coming because i'm out here talking about how he's actually trying to get rid of it and then the value is going to go up and the shares are going to be worth so much it's a it's a brilliant plan we should probably talk about twitter oh what, what? Not much. What part? Well, I lost my check mark.

Starting point is 01:22:47 What did they do? Oh. To be clear, neither of us ever had personal ones. I was actually so far ahead of the curve on this one. It's not often. Look, I'm going to take this W where i can because it is so rare that i am ahead of the trend okay i was already too cool for a blue check mark we had one on the corporate account and that was really important because it reduces impersonation well that's really the main reason it reduces impersonation and we don't want a situation where people are getting scammed. Twitter seemed to care about that before.

Starting point is 01:23:26 So they would verify notable personalities and companies. And we treated that account as our corporate account. And we continue to. It's at Linus Tech. But once I handed Linus Tech, which was my personal account before, once I handed it over to Linus Media Group Inc. And then started my personal Twitter, which is at Linus G. Sebastian, even once they opened up Twitter verification

Starting point is 01:23:51 to anyone who applied for it, as long as you verified your identity, I was like, no. No. I'm going to be verified by my follower count and by my irreverence here on everything that I am tweeting at people. And if you don't know that that's actually me, then I guess you just don't know.

Starting point is 01:24:15 Guess you're, guess you're not in the know. So I am just as unverified as I was before, but slightly less irreverent because I haven't really posted that much. I came out of semi-retirement to mock someone who suggested that I couldn't afford the $8 a month for a blue tick. And I was like, let me tell you, $8 a month, utterly meaningless in the context of Linus Media Group's operations here.

Starting point is 01:24:44 If we don't have a blue check mark, it's because I decide not to. It also isn't $8 for the company, right? So it depends. It depends what you're trying to do. I forget how the like $1,000 a month one works. I haven't really looked into it that much because frankly, I don't care. A free speech platform where you have to pay to be heard is not a free speech platform that's simply not how that works what is what does he call it again i don't town square no no no the the like form of he's like free speech but not free i don't know anything you have to pay for is not free because it doesn't apply to the people who can't pay for it so it's well he had a term for it because like you could still tweet you just don't get the the promotion or whatever oh right which is exactly what twitter

Starting point is 01:25:30 was accused of doing in the past which is no i'm not i'm not trying to defend it he just he had he had like a word for it or a phrase for it or something i don't know what it was it was the kind of thing that if you believe it then free speech paid reach yeah i think that's it then you um i don't know i guess freedom of speech freedom of reach. Yeah, I think that's it. Then you, I don't know, I guess. Freedom of speech, not freedom of reach. There you go. Sure. Anyways, moving on, because Twitter sucks.

Starting point is 01:25:52 No, I want to talk about our plan. We have a plan. For Twitter? Yeah. Okay. So, depending on how things go over the next little while with Twitter, it could be that, you know, we continue to engage on there the way that we always have. Uh, it could be that, you know, it ends up not being, not making as much sense. Like if the audience dwindles, then, you know, we might, we might not continue, but whatever ends up happening over on Twitter, I think what we're going to do is we're going to lean hard into YouTube community. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:26:25 Like the, the reach is better. It engages more directly with our core audience, which is on YouTube on the, on the occasional times that we have posted what we put on Twitter, which is usually just like kind of posting and stuff like that. It's been received extremely well in YouTube community posts. I will also say for the for the Flowplane people, if you're not already on the beta site, I would suggest doing it because it's

Starting point is 01:26:51 like way more awesome and stuff. But we another you might have noticed a lot of little features coming out over the last few weeks. Another one of those that we're planning, which is very close to being ready, is configurable notifications for subchannels. So you might already see, if you're subscribed to Linus Tech Tips, that, well, that's a collapsed sidebar too. But you can see how there's like all the, so there's the arrow at the bottom.

Starting point is 01:27:14 One sec, I'm working on it. I'm working on it. There we go. You can manually collapse it, but there's one little update now where click the little arrow. So you can expand and collapse that without re-navigating where you are oh okay oh cool okay so yeah so that that changed like

Starting point is 01:27:32 literally today uh but we're gonna have another sub channel for these like social posts or community posts or whatever they are we just don't want to add it right now because right now you wouldn't be able to turn the notifications off for just that right and if you're if you have notifications on for everything that linus tech tips offers and lmg clips which is going to be added it'll be a little overwhelming and social posts and everything else it's going to be very overwhelming so we're waiting to add some of those until this feature comes in which is like literally right around the corner and then you'll be able to manually configure notifications for each sub channel however you want and then we'll have all those types of things on here as well.

Starting point is 01:28:05 So you won't be left out. We've got some good extras on Floatplane right now, by the way. This is an early access video that's coming up this weekend. What happened? Nope. This is an early access video that's coming up this weekend. Sports-branded tech products are a pretty bad deal. I just watched the intro. It's great. It's really good. Okay, we can show the intro

Starting point is 01:28:28 Oh, you don't have to yeah, okay Nope no sound Between the pipes was great and then just immediate and then just immediate. It's so relatable because the second you pulled those onto screen, I had the same reaction. I was like, Oh,

Starting point is 01:28:53 what are those? You know what? That's actually part of our intro laws. We've been working on how to write better intros lately with the writing team. And one of the laws is that the first 20 seconds has to contain something that makes it broadly relatable because no matter what it is whether it's a 25 year old voodoo brick say for example oh my that's actually pretty cool i'm excited for that whether it's something like that or whether it's a brand new graphics card just released

Starting point is 01:29:25 sixteen hundred dollars we have to find some way to make it relatable so with the voodoo brick say hypothetically if we were gonna make a video about that a way to make it relatable might be to tie it into the evolution of multi GPU technology over the years where it came from it became, where we think it's going, because multi-GPU is not gone. And it's coming back stronger than ever. Mark my words. And we make a really strong argument for that in the video.

Starting point is 01:29:55 Interesting. Yeah. Anyway, or with the $1,600 GPU. I mean, most people will never own that. Yeah. That's not opinion. That's a fact. Most people will never own that. That's not opinion. That's a fact. Most people will never own that GPU.

Starting point is 01:30:08 But how can we make that more broadly relatable? Well, we can talk about how the performance and the features that we're seeing here first and are excited about here first are going to make their way down to lower price points until, you know, whether it's two or three or five years down the line, it will be attainable to most people. And really us covering this card is us just showing it to you early. You could think of it that way. So I think that's, you know, the angle that we would take if we were to make a video about micro LED technology, which I am also really hoping to do soon, but nothing's But nothing's actually locked in on that.

Starting point is 01:30:48 Right, the last thing I had wanted to show you guys over on Floatplane is that we've got a really great series of exclusives going on right now. This one's called Their First Time. I enjoy those. Those are great. Nick and Colton react to their first times on camera. Really cool. We've got extras from the Working for LMG. So these are full, I believe, uncut.

Starting point is 01:31:08 I haven't watched them because I'm not allowed, but I believe they're uncut interviews from that video. So you guys can watch through those if you want, if you're over on Floatplane. The platforms, that's another popular punching bag for haters is how much we suck and how bad Floatplane is. There's a post on Reddit right now now with like 1500 upvotes or something like that about how awful floatplane is and how we're failures and whatever it's like um you can actually you can actually do the math

Starting point is 01:31:36 there's some i mean there is some fair criticisms in there absolutely for sure however one of the criticisms could have been dealt with if they had just clicked the link in the video description which does take them to the page that has the pricing and has the content so we actually realized that there is an issue with that so that is completely true oh but if you view it on a mobile phone so not in the app but on a mobile phone it collapses it and you can't see the pricing oh so we're like oh so we'll we'll fix it. So shout out. We will fix that. But it is not a failure. And that's not just, you know, huffing copium.

Starting point is 01:32:10 It is actually not a failure because it actually generates millions of dollars a year in revenue. Yeah. Which is more than what most of the haters have done. Yeah. And like we know the front page sucks. We're just focused on other stuff. We will make the front page sucks we're just focused on other stuff we will make the front page better and at least lately we've been showing off new features often enough that people actually believe us that we're working on other stuff yeah that's nice we really were

Starting point is 01:32:34 working on the other stuff before it just it wasn't really showable it's hard it is now i really like the i know we literally just talked about it but okay so the the little arrow that you guys saw next to the channel where you could expand and uh contract the sub channels that used to be attached to clicking the channel at all and and jayden got it in today so that you can just click the arrow separately and now it's like a fidget toy for me i just sit here and expand and contract and expand all the time. I don't know. We're going to keep, we're going to keep working on quality of life features.

Starting point is 01:33:10 This is a really cool just message. I happen to be looking at float plane chat. TJ Ford 10, 11 says I've been experimenting with using AI tools to assist with building customer websites faster. Is that something I should disclose to the customer? Oh, does a carpenter have to say what brand of saw they used? Is that something I should disclose to the customer? Oh. Does a carpenter have to say what brand of saw they used?

Starting point is 01:33:31 Yeah, I don't think so. Unless if you are using anything private that you are giving to this AI tool, and it is a externally ran tool, that could be like a data privacy issue. So if you're using like, if you're feeding it customer data or you're feeding it things that are covered under an NDA or any other, you need to be very careful about that. But if you're just using a better hammer than the other guy.

Starting point is 01:33:59 Yeah, then whatever. If you're like, oh, I need to make some button that does something and I want you to help me do it and it helps you do it, like, well, who cares? who cares you don't have to disclose that's the way I see it That would actually be like weird to disclose in my opinion like if your contractor was like by the way Just I use a mcclellan thought you knew yeah, I you yeah Was that the Bob's Burgers reference? Gonna say like DeWalt or something has a as Teddy has a McClecklin hammer. It defeats Bob's knife.

Starting point is 01:34:26 His Fujinawa knife. I think that was the brand. It doesn't matter. I don't know. Anyway. But yeah, if it's something like that, I'd be like, why are you telling me? I don't care. Yeah.

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Starting point is 01:37:05 Thank you, Dennis. That was very helpful. Live, laugh, leow. Okay. Merch messages. There's supposed to be three of them. Okay, Dan, hit me. Okay, let's see.

Starting point is 01:37:18 Sorry, you gotta give me some time in between these. You put the... Yeah, you're the one who put it there. I know, I'm new at this. It's a new system. All right, a couple of merch messages. You put the... Yeah, you're the one who put it there. I know, I'm new at this. It's a new system. All right, a couple of merch messages. You're new. Yeah, I am.

Starting point is 01:37:30 Luke. Got him. How do you handle having your boss also be your landlord? I am beginning to have problems crop up because of this, like being held to different standards than my coworkers.

Starting point is 01:37:42 Oh, interesting. Be better. No, I... Wow. Toxic. being held to different standards than my co-workers oh interesting uh be better no i um wow toxic i don't know uh i mean are you sure that's what's happening or is this something that your brain is just running with um i mean it could be it might also be happening I'm not saying it's not but like because like I could see that power dynamic making the boss slash landlord feel like they could push this person harder knowing that there's no escape from them that could absolutely happen there's also a level of shared frustrations yeah where like if they're if not taking care of the lawn, when that was explicitly part of the deal for their low rent, for example, which generates complaints from the

Starting point is 01:38:31 neighbors, how could you, that could, that could bleed into, you know, shared frustrations at work uh uh but yeah i don't know so that's that's it could be totally legit but i do think you need to evaluate the situation make sure that you're not making it a thing that it isn't at the same time because that is a relatively common thing in these types of dynamics where you feel like you're being persecuted for something when you might not be. And I'd always recommend talking to people. Start with an I statement. I know it's like cringe or whatever high school counselor stuff, but start with I feel and get it out there. Because if you don't get it out there, you can't expect it to magically resolve itself.

Starting point is 01:39:21 Even if they're doing this on purpose. Hey, at least it's good to know. And be- Get the closure, right? Be open to the idea that you don't really have the whole story. So like, let them explain their side of it as well. And hope that they'll be open

Starting point is 01:39:34 to hearing your side as well, because that's what it takes to have a functional relationship. I'm assuming you're relatively close to this person, considering they are your boss and landlord. So the fact that they agreed to both or you agreed to both or something is's probably not just chance there was probably an okay relationship at some point i would guess yeah so you can probably get unless you work at like

Starting point is 01:39:53 foxconn or something and you're like living in their like on-site dormitories or whatever we're assuming that this is like a western arrangement yes all right what's next okay next up howdy ltd my friends have discovered that each of us makes a dismissive comment or gesture whenever they want to switch topics i.e wow that's crazy or just a head shake can y'all call each other's out uh i think both luke and i are direct enough to just say, all righty then moving on. Just change the topic of conversation. Yeah. I think,

Starting point is 01:40:29 I think our tell is telling the other person that we want to move on. Yeah. And our whole generation basically treats the, um, like the emoji, like the single emoji as punctuation for the conversation. Like, I think that's pretty well understood

Starting point is 01:40:45 yeah if you don't i think reacting to it because modern messaging systems yeah i guess that's the new one less of a thing a bit oh okay i think i think if you send a whole message that is just like a thumbs up emoji it's like yeah this is over if you send just a react, I might interpret it that way, but I might also be wondering if you're going to do that and then send a message in response. I'm just trying to find like some examples of us just, okay, LOL.

Starting point is 01:41:15 That's a good conversation termination. That might not be like a, I want to stop talking about this now. And that might just be a, I don't really have anything to add. No, because I have perfect examples here. Okay, want to stop talking about this now and that might just be a i don't really have anything to add no because i have perfect examples here um okay so we were talking about the the valentine's party with ais yeah and then i basically go yeah so the party just took place with them interacting with each other my brain is brokey then i sent thinking of streaming today but kind of feeling asocial and posted a picture of my my bike painting thing

Starting point is 01:41:47 And then you said you don't have to stream painting it It could just be a stream and you could not interact with chat and I said well I don't know what I'm doing. I was hoping chat could help and you say lol well then And that's the end of the conversation Right before that I that's one of those situations where I'm not. Hold on, I have another one. Right before that, I message you and I say, oh, we were talking about the housing market,

Starting point is 01:42:07 and you have that stick guy that's poking. Come on, do something. And I go, well, I'd just make sure you check out a house with someone who knows a fair bit about renos, if you can. Might help recognize any corners they cut, but it'll still be impossible to say what they covered up or painted over. And you go, well probably uh something something some stuff um and i go it doesn't hurt to keep your eye on things hurts a little and you

Starting point is 01:42:31 go yeah lol and the conversation's over yeah i think lol is the ultimate conversation termination because i'm trying to terminate the conversation i don't really have anything else to add right but that's terminating the conversation yeah fair enough yeah but it's not like i think what he's saying is they are like done with this conversation and want to move on well i don't know i think maybe it's maybe it's austin's own perception of the dismissiveness like to me luke's not being dismissive he's just done talking about it and that's okay yeah like i'm okay with that i guess you got to be secure in being able to acknowledge that what you're talking about ain't that interesting or there's just yeah just nothing else to add necessarily you know what oh man so that kind of makes me think about how you and i used to complain about wanshow topics before when people

Starting point is 01:43:21 would go wow this is really interesting and they'd put it in the wan show doc and we'd go this is not it's interesting but it is not a topic of conversation it's like a statement yeah it's not it's not it's a thing but there's no real room to discuss it and so maybe you need to recognize that sometimes you think something is a topic of conversation. Like, okay, I'd say parents are the classic thinking something is a topic of conversation when actually it's just a boring statement that no one cares about. You know, Timmy took his first steps today. Yeah. Okay.

Starting point is 01:44:00 Okay. Cool. Hey, look at this funny thing timmy said on video lol that's not my kid i don't give a right like it's no i know i'm serious like i i i value a human i assign value to a human life i do. That particular one is not any more or less interesting to me. If you have a ton of interaction with that one in particular,

Starting point is 01:44:29 then maybe, yeah. But I'm talking the stereotypical parent who's just... You've never met this person's kid. Yes. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:44:37 Exactly. No. I'm not a psychopath. I just... I just don't have a connection to all... It's definitely... Eight billion or however many people there are on the earth. This is definitely a thing. Being a psychopath.

Starting point is 01:44:52 No. Oh. No, no, no, no. I thought it was being a sociopath. I mean, no, that's okay. So no, no, it's also not being a sociopath. Like I said, I do assign value to human life. I do have emotions.

Starting point is 01:45:06 I just don't, I just, I don't have the emotional bandwidth to be that invested in more than a handful of lives. I have not a lot of friends, but the ones that I have are extremely close and extremely dear. And I just don't have the brain space i mean maybe this is just an adhd thing at a certain point because i can only pay attention to so many things i think it's also very normal though and i think a lot of people that would go against what you're saying in public settings might not actually feel against it inside right uh so i'm just saying the quiet part out loud i think a little bit yeah i think that i think so yeah so i'm gonna keep doing my lols i don't consider it dismissive i just consider it's not you're not terminating the

Starting point is 01:45:51 conversation just don't have anything to add yeah oh my god every wow now that i'm aware of it every time we talk you end the conversation with lol this is three in a freaking row here. Oh, I ended one with a JFC. Okay. Yeah, which is, I'd say, an equally just, it's essentially a reaction emoji. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But there's often things we'll say to each other or share with each other that, like,

Starting point is 01:46:16 there isn't necessarily a conversation to be had. Yeah, and we're, like, honestly, like, honestly, I'm busy right now, and I don't have time to sit and text with you for 20 minutes. Yeah. I saw this. Ha ha. Yeah. See you later. That's all it really needs. Yeah. I saw this haha. Yeah. See you later.

Starting point is 01:46:25 That's all it really needs. Yeah. I don't know. You'll take as- however much time with it you want. I don't really care. Dan, I'm lost. Oh. There's no sign. I don't know what to do.

Starting point is 01:46:34 You only did two. I don't know how to- oh, this show. Well then it- the sign should still be there. He's gonna put the sign back. Here, we can watch him. No, we're gonna watch him put the sign back. So mad. there it is all right Hi Luke, I'm currently a networking class and I know that you guys have touched on this before, but I was wondering what are some of the larger costs of video streaming, and why are those costs so high?

Starting point is 01:47:12 Bandwidth. Bandwidth is rough. Yeah, but why? That's what they want to know. Who do you pay for bandwidth? Because they charge a lot. I don't know. You have to pay for transit across networks that other entities own is a big part of it. Yeah. And then like having good routes. So routes is like you might have a server who's like negotiated route to your house is fantastic.

Starting point is 01:47:41 So if you watch a video, it's great. But the person down the street, you think it wouldn't be that different, but they might be on a different ISP. And the negotiated routes in your country might be poor for that. So like companies like YouTube have fantastic distribution everywhere with really, really great routes to basically everyone. But that's not that simple. Right? So like we do a bunch of our video distribution through Cloudflare. One of the reasons why we do that is because Cloudflare has very, very good global coverage all over the place. We have this float VPN thing we've talked about before, because we always like having fallbacks as part of float planes, whole thing. So we can

Starting point is 01:48:22 fall back to our own setup whenever we want, but to be able to get the amount of coverage to the amount of routes that we would have with Cloudflare, the scale that we would have to go to would be kind of crazy. It wouldn't make sense. By the way, is this broken? Kyle R.'s thing here is stuck here. He's holding it there because that's the question we're currently discussing. Oh, that's a cool feature. And it also pauses the queue so that other merch messages aren't getting lost.

Starting point is 01:48:44 That's why you have the giant circle. I think that was entirely Conrad's idea. It's really useful. Cool. It's pretty sweet. Okay. But yeah, so like there's all these routes problems, but you would think, you would think, and this is where it gets expensive and also complicated, we're with Cloudflare.

Starting point is 01:49:01 They're one of the biggest internet companies there is. Yeah, ever. We should have perfect coverage like everywhere. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, yeah, why don't we? Nope. Oh, okay. Because even Cloudflare doesn't have like perfect coverage to everywhere.

Starting point is 01:49:14 There's certain places in Australia, surprise, surprise, that have issues. We've notoriously had some issues in Germany. Certain routing problems in Germany. We just have lots of problems with it. Even when we're trying to feed through one of the biggest multi-billion dollar like data distribution companies in the world, we still have problems there. And we can, we can work on it ourselves. We can, we can set up new partnerships.

Starting point is 01:49:39 We can try to expand our partnership map, do a multi-CDN thing. So that if, if quality to somewhere is low we switch over to some other cdn all this type of stuff there's ramsay asks i assumed you'd use akamai for streaming and i believe we can we can yeah but we have a lot of costs agreements and other stuff we have float plane cdn but then we also have fallbacks to cheap cdns and also expensive cdns and we can actually dynamically choose which one to use to deliver the content depending on what's most favorable for the particular user. We don't always get it a hundred percent

Starting point is 01:50:13 right but the team tries really hard. Akamai is extremely expensive. It's really really good, very high quality but very expensive. Yeah so we want to avoid that whenever we can but we'll do it if we have to. Yeah. Hit us one more time. Okay, well, now we're going to move on to some potentials. So we've got a lot of these rapid fire to go through. Oh, okay.

Starting point is 01:50:34 We can do some rapid fire. Sure. Yes, we have about 20 to do. We should have a timer for rapid fires. That would actually be a good prop. That'd be cool. I'll make a note of that. Okay.

Starting point is 01:50:44 My wife and I are not gamers, but we do have a laptop with a mobile 2080 and 32 gigs of RAM, as well as two Logitech controllers. Of course you do. What are some games we can play together that aren't too expensive? Play It Takes Two.

Starting point is 01:50:59 Classic. Hi, everyone. I've been trying to... Yeah, Portal's also great. Overcooked. Ah, Overcooked is great Overcooked Overcooked is great Overcooked is super casual Hey

Starting point is 01:51:10 We should talk about that game we played At the retreat Mage quit If you and seven friends Want just like a chaotic Arena brawler Don't practice Don't like train up Because you'll be way too op

Starting point is 01:51:27 and it actually won't be fun yeah go in all of you cold and it'll be like the most fun you've had gaming in at least six months i promise i haven't i haven't like bounced around and cheered that much for a game in a very long time probably probably since the whale land to be completely honest because that's what that's what it's all about yeah even playing field upsets anyone could win it like it was so much fun especially at like one of my favorite moments was really early on when we like still nobody had any idea what they're doing and you see two people who it's like everybody else is is knocked out or dead or whatever it is in that game there's two of them left clearly neither of them knows what they're doing but they're like fumbling around trying to figure it out and they're whiffing and it's just you see them whiff and something blows up the

Starting point is 01:52:14 wall we don't know how one of the abilities works yet so we think they can avoid it but they actually can't so we're all like cheering for them to avoid it and they get obliterated man it was it was very fun there's no like we have never talked to them. There's no agreement or anything. We just, a bunch of us played it. And it was very entertaining. Yeah, we had an exec retreat. And I was, I think wisely packed eight controllers.

Starting point is 01:52:37 That was pretty sweet. The ROG Ally, an external GPU, and a long HDMI cable. And I was like, if all else goes to absolute shit at least we can play some video games during the night and I knew because I'm very wise and a good leader no but seriously

Starting point is 01:52:56 I gambled that the best thing to do would be to find a game that nobody had played so I just was digging around trying to find 8 player local multiplayer games which is shockingly hard to do in the new steam big picture interface valve come on it's it was it's unbrowsable go ahead go try go try to browse local multiplayer you you actually more than eight more than four players like accessing custom tags and we figured out some of them was like okay it's four players locally you can connect

Starting point is 01:53:25 four other players but they have to be like external clients or whatever mage mage quit actually worked with seven people local eight eight people sorry yeah so yeah so i i was like yeah this will be this will be the activity and i was like yes it was awesome it was and the steam room was great too actually our sauna rather I guess it's more of a sauna. Okay, sorry. Hit us again. That was not that rapid fire. We'll do better.

Starting point is 01:53:48 That's good. Good answer. Hi, everyone. I've been trying to properly engineer my water loop, but struggle to find data such as head loss and heat load for radiators easily. Will this be something the labs could test? Probably not. Because it's not really like a fixed function equation.

Starting point is 01:54:05 Your tolerance for the temperatures of your devices could allow you to run a lower cooling capacity radiator and still be comfortable with it. So say, for example, you were comfortable with your devices running at 90 degrees on water. is running at 90 degrees on water well good news for you you can use a small radiator with slow fans and you're good to go it just means that your water your coolant temperature will be higher which is going to make it um less effective at pulling heat off of your cpu or your gpu the good thing about that is the hotter the water gets, the more effective the heat exchange is with the air. So you might be a different kind of user who wants to see 65 degree load temperatures with super low RPM fans as well, in which case I'm going to tell you, okay, well, you're

Starting point is 01:54:59 going to need probably about 8 to 10, 120 millimeter rads. So let's go. Yeah, it really just depends it depends on your on your on your tolerance I would say that the general rule of thumb used to be a single 120 millimeter per heat generating component so if you had three CPU and two GPUs you'd want a triple 120 mil I would say that's probably out the window these days. And it's more like a 140 millimeter per heat generating component or about one and a half 120s per heat generating component. And then if you have lower tolerance for noise, then you're going to want to go a little heavier

Starting point is 01:55:38 than that. Yeah. As for the pump, get a D5. That's the answer. Lang D5 or some rebrand of it someone did clarify apparently mage fight goes up to 10 mage quit mage quit goes up to 10 local players oh well that's great i only brought eight controllers so i didn't think to check that but if our exec team grows and or everyone is able to make it next time we're ready to go let's play some mage quit nobody better

Starting point is 01:56:02 practice because that would be totally op and dumb swear i will not play because yeah the yeah it's more fun to have no idea what we're doing yeah i mean everyone's struggling in the same way it was a big part of the entertainment there's a game i'm really excited to play at ltx it was actually indie dev'd by one of my old colleagues at NCIX. Do you remember Tom? Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:56:28 So it probably looks really cool. Tom made a game. Did he actually like dev it or did he do all the art? I think so. I mean, I don't know. Cool. I mean, I think he said he did. Sweet.

Starting point is 01:56:36 Maybe he lied. Maybe it's AI. But I'm not going to ask him to show me what kind of hammer he used. Good referential. Let's do the next one. Anyway, I played it for about two minutes just to kind of make sure that it functioned enough to um but and i'm not going to touch it again and then perfect we'll uh we'll have some fun with it nice yeah i'm excited what's your best tech related dad

Starting point is 01:56:58 joke i can never do this on the spot yeah you can't do a dad joke on the spot. That is not a dad joke. Question denied. Lol. Moving on. Hey, Linus, have you ever considered making a slim version of the LTT backpack for someone that typically carries a lighter load of accessories and likes a backpack instead of a laptop bag? Yes.

Starting point is 01:57:20 Yvonne's been daily driving our current prototype, and I think we're really close to getting the comfort nailed down, after which we're going to have to get another prototype that actually has all the pockets and zippers and everything on it because hers is really bad. It's just blank. It's just the shell because we're trying to nail down the strap positioning so it doesn't have a handle on the top.

Starting point is 01:57:40 And the number of times I've interacted with it personally or watched someone else interact with it and go for the handle And it's just not there has been Hilarious But we're getting close It's gonna it's gonna actually be not that different in terms of total capacity if you load it up compared to the existing one It'll be less, but it's not as much less as it looks because we move the water bottle holder to the outside But it's not as much less as it looks because we moved the water bottle holder to the outside.

Starting point is 01:58:11 Yeah, but it's more, we're trying to make it fit on the Maria's and the Yvonne's of the world. Maria is one of our other staffers here. I'm currently pursuing a major in electrical engineering, microelectronics, and graduate in three to four years. Do you think Intel would hire someone like me? I don't know. I should hope you've looked into that before entering that program. I think the best way to do that would be Googling Intel jobs.

Starting point is 01:58:33 Yeah, and Intel hires all kinds of people. Yes. You could have a marketing whatever, and they would probably hire. I'm sure there's a position there somewhere. I mean, you could be the world's most overqualified janitor at Intel. And I'm, you know, there you go. Hi, Uncle Linus.

Starting point is 01:58:51 If you could have any games remastered with the kind of graphics shown in the first clip you did at the start of the show, what game would it be? Also, 10-hour WAN show, please. Okay, first of all, no. okay first of all no we should do uh at ltx we should just turn wancho into like us gaming at whale land i have some stuff that would allow that to happen what about like uh man i'm trying i'm trying to think i'm trying to come up with a good answer, but the one that jumps into my head is I'd love to play like an Anno game where you can really zoom in

Starting point is 01:59:31 to like a photorealistic world with AI-generated people that are going around. Like for no reason other than just digital sightseeing, almost like some kind of builder game with that level of photorealism would be kind of would be kind of cool to me i know that's probably not what you were asking i like the answer though it's interesting i i just immediately went more wind yeah he did

Starting point is 01:59:54 because of course he did all right yeah we can carry on we all know his answer well what are your thoughts on someone bringing their steam deck to whale land i would expect them to it happened to last whale land and the steam deck ended up being an unnatural advantage in one of our competitions that they slayed it turns out that 3d cadet table the uh the the windows xp pinball game has been ported to Linux and runs so much better on the Steam Deck than it does on Windows now at much higher frame rates. Not to mention that this is much more natural

Starting point is 02:00:34 than whatever it is that you're doing with a keyboard. So they absolutely slayed the next runner up by playing on their Steam Deck. And we were like, well, I guess I have to accept it. You got the score. Wasn't outside of the rules nope you're all workaholics but what maker creative things do you enjoy doing when you have free time painting fiber arts doodling I think that for me, well, okay, fine. I was talking about my paint booth earlier. I am planning to paint my bike.

Starting point is 02:01:14 So I haven't actually fired up the sprayer yet, although I will this weekend. I somehow got roped into, I volunteered to help James paint his walls because I have experience with that and I knew that I would be able to help him do a much better job with even just a few hours of setting him up for it and somehow I got roped into helping James paid his kitchen cabinets which is not something that I am super experienced at or in fact even have done before, but I do have the equipment for it.

Starting point is 02:01:47 So we're going to be muddling our way through it together, which will be fun. But the real reason that I have this spray equipment is so that I can do up my motorbike in this color scheme. So that's not actually, that's like a mock-up. Yeah. Maria did this up for me and, um, I contracted her out of hours to just kind of mock this up for me because I'm lazy and don't feel like figuring out how to do it. So that's something I'm planning to do. So I guess that's kind of what you're asking. I like fixing stuff. I don't know if that really counts.

Starting point is 02:02:16 Yeah. I'm not like super knowledgeable or good at doing it, but I enjoy it. I don't know why, but over the years, I remember being colossally disappointed many times by how not handy you were. With what? Well, see, I grew up on a hobby farm, and I know that your dad's, like, super handy. And so there would be just things that I would take for granted that you would just know how to do, like, paint a thing. Nope. that I would take for granted that you would just know how to do like paint a thing no and you just be Like to quote Yahtzee it'd be like watching a cat try to fly a kite like you just

Starting point is 02:02:52 Incapable and I didn't understand it My dad is stupid you just you know this side my dad like so my dad was around a ton Yeah, when I was like quite young But when I was in like my teens when you would do a lot of this type of stuff yeah they're really long story but he had to he didn't have to but he stepped up and got a bunch of jobs and stuff and was like it wasn't absent father because he was around yeah but the time that he was around would be like oh i have two hours between my jobs

Starting point is 02:03:26 let's like hang out for a ball like or like well he's probably like too tired right okay but like how about you throw the ball i'll watch and then a lot of times if something needed to be done he wouldn't have that much time so he would just like do it so i could observe but i often wasn't doing it myself yeah Yeah. But I mean, since then, he's like shown me more things and stuff. Right. But yeah. Yeah, see, I don't know.

Starting point is 02:03:51 Like I just, I was not by choice, but I was very often dragged into things. So I just know all kinds of things. I've done a bunch of like distributed labor tasks, but not things like paint this thing. Like we re-roofed my parents house right so like i've done roofing sure i think i did a pretty good job of that yeah that's like quite different actually i've done roofing interior exterior and i'm not talking like professionally so like some roofing interior exterior painting um i've you know treated infections on horses' feet, cared for livestock, you know, built out buildings, like repaired gravel, you know, driveway, you know, buried that fawn that the dog killed, operated an excavator.

Starting point is 02:04:35 Like I just, like there's just so much, you know, dug fence posts both by digging them, pouring concrete and embedding them also by post pounding. Like there's just on a farm, even if it's not a for-profit farm, there's just, there's a lot of stuff to do. There's so much to do. It's utterly never ending. So like I've gone to, cause I, I grew up out there, but we didn't have one. So I've gone to like friends' houses and helped them with stuff that they had had to do but there's a big difference yeah like my friends didn't weren't really helpful when we were like you know loading the barn with hay right like they were they'd kind of do a couple and then they'd get bored and they'd wander off and i get it i didn't get bored you probably would believe that to be fair yeah yeah you probably would have been a lot more helpful than my friends were but like i mean i still didn't live there so it wasn't a constant people are asking repair gravel driveway what what is that so you you don't you don't just lay down gravel so potholes develop

Starting point is 02:05:36 and then the way that you put it down you just have to kind of get a feel for how much of it to to shovel and wheelbarrow out and how much to fill it so that when it settles, it'll actually be smooth when you, when you drive up it, like just gravel drive gravel. Oh man. Our driveway was so frigging long. It was over a hundred meters long and the incline was like this. Um, so like getting out of there and the snow and stuff was brutal.

Starting point is 02:05:58 And I had to, I had to, I had to often run because I was usually late, uh, up to my bus stop uphill, both ways. Of course. Uh, I hated that driveway. Cursed that driveway. If you guys want to see it, it doesn't really matter. Here's the place where I grew up. Blah, blah, blah.

Starting point is 02:06:19 Oh, grew up after 11. So I lived in Ladner until then. Here we go. There. This is my parents' parents hobby farm or at least uh what it looks like now so this used to be a riding ring for horses um there's ponds here it's kind of hard to make out this is this is all uh my parents former property they don't they don't have it anymore not now don't like show up and we're not like we were not crazy wealthy my parents were teachers uh this land was empty when they got it um it was a big stretch for them to get it and uh it was basically like worthless

Starting point is 02:06:58 compared to now it's probably worth a fortune like estates out here are totally a thing you can see like other people with their fancy paved driveways and whatnot yeah we didn't have anything like that in fact oh is this paved now i think so looks like it might be i think it's been up might be paved now um also many many of these buildings whether it's the the pump house is hidden over here were actually built by my parents themselves all of this was just like dirt and blackberries. It looks like a lot of landscaping's been done since we lived here. See my dad, like my dad built this,

Starting point is 02:07:30 like that garage that's in our backyard. Yeah. Like he built that. But I was like too young at that point to be able to contribute much. He also did this like custom solar panel array for our pool. Chicken coop's gone.

Starting point is 02:07:43 But I was also not very useful at that time. Barn's still there. A lot of stuff was either I was too young or I was already now out of the house. And like the gap where I would be useful at like contributing and also learning things was, he was very busy. It's just unfortunate timing. But he's definitely gone out of his way to educate since then. Fun fact, if that place is ever on the market and you're into high quality drinking water it has a drilled well that by luck we managed to hit some kind of underground spring or something and it has the best drinking water i have ever encountered in my life and never runs dry it's like the highlight of that property for me and probably something that wouldn't even show up on a real estate brochure nice like honestly i i spent my childhood bathing in water that people

Starting point is 02:08:31 would pay like six dollars for a little bottle of and it would still taste like crap because it's been in a plastic bottle yeah yeah obviously um plastic bottles yay anywho oh more topics and i'm signed out of google docs because why wouldn't i be luke hit me uh reddit to charge for its api this is actually very interesting it's more companies than just reddit reddit has announced it will be charging businesses to use its api no direct motive was given for the changes cough cough but cough, but data scraped from Reddit is known to be a major component of several prominent AI training databases. Likewise, Reddit is planning to go public later this year and could use future income from AI development as a draw for investors. The announcement stated that the changes were directed at, in quotes, third parties who require

Starting point is 02:09:21 additional capabilities, higher usage limits, and broader usage rights, end quote, and will take effect following a 60-day notice period. While Reddit claims to want to keep its API accessible to developers that improve the Reddit experience, the vagueness of the announcement caused concern among developers of third-party Reddit applications. CEO Steve Huffman described the company's authentic conversations as particularly valuable to LLMs, saying, in quotes, there's a lot of stuff on the site that you'd only ever say in therapy or AA, or Alcoholics Anonymous.

Starting point is 02:09:57 Or never at all. And that is a surprisingly transparent truth. Discussion question. Kind of refreshing, actually. Yeah, to be honest. Reddit is full of incredibly intimate conversations. Is it right to use them for AI development? Is it right to sell them?

Starting point is 02:10:12 Well, when you post it on the site, you kind of... I'm pretty sure that's even just in the terms of service. Yeah, you give it to the site. If it's posted publicly, that's public. That's a thing that happened. You know, when I was all outraged about companies using private data, I was talking about private data earlier. I wasn't talking about public data.

Starting point is 02:10:32 If they were doing this with PMs on Reddit. Yeah, that's a whole other ball of wax, which wouldn't necessarily surprise me, but that would be different, though. Stack Overflow, too. That's the really crazy one, in my opinion. Stack Overflow is talking about the really crazy one in my opinion Stack Overflow is talking about the same thing Oh really?

Starting point is 02:10:48 Yeah I mean this lockdown is happening I mean we've even been talking about it How are we going to publish information on LTTlabs.com in a way that is Not going to just Train the machine learning large language Models that are going to replace

Starting point is 02:11:04 Any need to navigate to our site. We've been trying to figure out how to slow down AI. And capitalism gave us the answer. I think this might literally be it. If these companies slap down expensive enough API agreements, like Reddit and Stack Overflow, just those two things. It's such a huge portion of these training models. Absolutely enormous.

Starting point is 02:11:31 And what's really interesting is some companies are basing functions of their company around ChatGPT already and the tools that came from ChatGPT. So if those suddenly get worse because of stuff like this i'll be very interesting very interesting indeed but yeah i think that's really all there is to say on the topic to be honest there are other companies that are doing this i know uh stack overflow and reddit there are other ones as well but yeah someone asked if i would consider purchasing my childhood home to keep it in the family no it's fine a house is a house to me i mean my family's my family and the house is just the house uh but arjun from the social team said hey just heard you on the wan show there will be a

Starting point is 02:12:15 short behind the scenes of the weg hoodie photo shoot oh sweet currently editing it cool there you go nice work got the answer there good job all right amazon offers louder dialogue okay dialogue boosting yeah it's just like so you don't have to buy a soundbar i guess oh it's an accessibility feature but probably has a broader audience considering how many tv viewers report using subtitles most or all of the time and this is probably more consequential for the industry samsung is considering switching to Bing. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So this is why Google is actually so upset.

Starting point is 02:12:51 Man, I sent an email earlier today, and I remember just being, it didn't matter, right? It didn't matter at all because it didn't change the meaning of what I was saying in any way. But it just irritated me because it's so utterly unnecessary. Okay. Read this bottom email. I think everything's here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Here, read this bottom email. Just, just, just read it out. Oh, thanks for letting me know. Would love to get an update from them when that's resolved so I can use it. I found some alternatives, but none that I particularly trust why is trust capitalized capitalized i don't know

Starting point is 02:13:30 why i find the way that i type on my phone if i'm going really i didn't type i dictated it oh chat gpt wouldn't have made that mistake. Yeah. Why did it capitalize trust? I didn't bother to correct it. It didn't matter. It didn't change the meaning of what I was saying. But it's just no wonder Google is in freak out mode right now. Because they've sat here. They've sat on their butt not making basic things like calling by voice or proper capitalization and punctuation while dictating.

Starting point is 02:14:14 And their competition has come up and created GPT-4. They found a way to, instead of try to keep biting, just leap ahead. One of the problems with this is the previous topic though this is literally what i was saying as part of the previous topic certain companies are hitching up with chat gpt and being like okay this is tons of efficiency or it's better for whatever reason we are going to move in this direction and that could bite them in the butt if certain you know if certain things happen and maybe the data set can't be used anymore or maybe uh open ai needs to start paying

Starting point is 02:14:51 way more money to be able to access these things so they have to increase their fees whatever else help google oh no so it's just it's interesting samsung is in negotiations with microsoft to switch the default search engine on its devices from Google to Bing. Just for context, in case you didn't know, the default search for basically everything ever is Google, and Samsung sells a heck of a lot of phones. When news on the potential deal became public, it led to a sharp fall in Google stock and reports of panic within Google search division. Google reportedly pays up to $3.5 billion every year for its position as default search on Samsung devices, as well as $20 billion for Apple devices. Samsung has switched to Bing before back in 2010 for some Galaxy models. However, this could also simply be a negotiation tactic on their part.

Starting point is 02:15:45 I've heard their scuttlebutt that Apple is also looking to either switch to Bing or at least leverage Bing's newfound relevance to renegotiate with Google. These are multi-billion dollars a year. Oh, I did mention the Apple one. Okay, cool. This is really funny. On the subject of auto completion

Starting point is 02:16:07 Second IT guy in floatplane chat says I never mean to say the word duck Yeah spoken like an iPhone user Yeah All right Netflix Ends I didn't even know they were still doing this. Netflix has ended their DVD mail service. This September, Netflix will be finally ending its 25-year-old DVD mail service, which brought in $145.7 million in revenue last year. That's a lot more than I thought.

Starting point is 02:16:44 The DVD division had a dedicated fan base among users without consistent internet access as well as those who preferred its broader selection of more obscure titles many of which are not widely available on most or any streaming service but the dvd division has slowly shrunk over time it once posted a selection of over 100 000 titles while Wow. And what alternatives are there for people looking for unusual titles or low-cost physical media? Well, what should happen to their DVD collection? I really hope they don't just recycle them. That would suck. Maybe if they just left them with the last person who rented them.

Starting point is 02:17:33 Like, I don't know. Like, honestly, I'd rather they not just end up in the garbage. Keep the service going for a while, but you just don't have to return it anymore. Yeah, that'd be kind of chill. That'd be super cool. That'd be pretty sweet. For people looking for, what alternatives do i say it like what do you what do you want from me if if if rights holders won't make their media available at that point i mean that's down to your own personal moral compass right like

Starting point is 02:18:03 you know if you want to watch it, why is someone standing in your way? Why do you, why tolerate that? Privateering. I didn't say it. It's becoming more popular. If it is available by legal means, of course, you know's it's how creators are compensated but if it is not available by legal means it's not like you could compensate the creator by buying it if you can't buy it what do you want from me right it it's uh it's very interesting to me that like honestly

Starting point is 02:18:39 three years ago people didn't really talk about piracy that much. Oh, yeah, it was kind of dead. Yeah, Spotify Netflix. It's like yeah Steam you had pretty good solutions for everything is the golden age of not having to pirate content and now like Nintendo's doing the things that Nintendo does oh, yeah That's classic stuff like this keeps happening and people's cost of living is going up and their wages are not matching it and also like this perfect storm is coming back for people to put the hats back on it's really it's it's interesting to me that the industry is like allowing this to happen because they don't see what's happening yeah instead it's like oh well we'll just hike the rates yeah well no actually

Starting point is 02:19:20 that's not a response um i mean disney seems to be kind of waking up a little bit. Apparently, they are going to be loosening the restrictions that they've put on licensing their own IP to third-party services because they figured out what a gigantic hit to their bottom line it was. Like, Disney+, while it has generated like 100 and however many million subscribers, is not a huge W for them compared to staying. There's too many services. Staying focused on what they do best, which is apparently run theme parks these days. And creating content and licensing it to a wide variety of providers all over the world.

Starting point is 02:19:58 Like it just, it's like, yeah, duh. We had a good thing. Everything was working. And now, yeah, you had you had done goofed it up i'm not gonna subscribe to disney plus and prime video and netflix and whatever hbo's thing is called now what's it called just max now i can't even remember i can't keep track they keep changing all the different services i can't even keep track of them there are certain things that do make sense to me on a separate service i don't want to pay for sports ball i don't need it i don't care i don't have time to follow it i

Starting point is 02:20:28 shouldn't say i don't care i actually do sort of peripherally pay attention to what's going on like i kind of know who's favorites to win the you know nba super bowl or the i'm kidding uh you know or the you know stanley bowl or whatever like i i do i i do that i do it on purpose i do i do kind of know who the major players are um and most of that is just so that i can have conversations with people it's like oh you know lebron's the all-time leading scorer now let's we can talk about that a little bit and how that's super cool or whatever but i don't have time to watch the game so i don't want to pay for the broadcasting rights that whoever I'm giving money to has to pay in order to have cameras in the stadiums, right

Starting point is 02:21:10 But if it's TV shows Yeah, I can't yeah, I can't yep People are upset people upset about my sports ball stuff. Formula football. Yeah, I like it. It's good. Oh, no. Someone doesn't like the thing that I like. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:21:30 This is hilarious. Sink plane on float plane. Great username, I think. Didn't they change from HBO because it makes people think softcore porn when they hear it? What? Not necessarily that, but apparently, yeah, they changed the branding because it makes people think of like very adult content and they want to do more like it's it's warner media who owns them now right so that's where you're going to get this new harry potter um television series that

Starting point is 02:21:59 frankly feels very unnecessary i'm not even going to wade into the controversy around the author. I want no part of any of that, but... Isn't that media's whole thing right now is like resurrecting dead series and just making it bad? I mean, I guess. Like that's a pretty consistent trend.

Starting point is 02:22:18 I'm not surprised it's happening. It's just, it's happening to everything. How do we ruin this? But there's talks about remaking Princess Bride if you want it to be more on the nose okay hold on a second though princess bride came out in like 1984 88 whatever it can't it's old yeah it's old it's at least old harry potter's body isn't even cold yet literally for real though the actor is like still like young yeah you know i just i man i just i can't yeah oh oh yeah twilight is apparently also getting a tv series yeah you want to talk things that are unnecessary but no the thing about the harry potter one that feels particularly

Starting point is 02:23:00 unnecessary is that they were good they were already good twilight i mean at least you could make the argument that maybe they could make it better this time probably not though rough yeah um another topic? Sure. NYPD adds semi-autonomous robots. I mean, do we really have to say much other than that? Oh, good. They have thermal cameras, two-way audio, can patrol a pre-programmed path,

Starting point is 02:23:36 follow a person. Yeah, not yet, apparently. That's probably good. Yeah, it's a matter of time. And the Red Cross wants gamers to stop committing war crimes, which sounds kind of stupid on the surface, but actually kind of makes sense to me. I know this is probably me with a hot take here,

Starting point is 02:23:59 but yeah, for real. I mean, we don't accept, say, for example, But yeah, for real, I mean, we don't accept, say, for example, video game depictions of extreme sexual violence. So why is it that we have this tolerance for here are some of the things that the Red Cross outlined as in violation of the rules of war and that are classified as war crimes? Thirsting. So that is shooting combatants while they are downed and cannot respond uh targeting non-combatants so non-hostile npcs uh targeting civilian buildings um the red cross apparently even partnered with let's players to stream via this twitch channel very cool with the purpose of the campaign seeing seeming to be to raise awareness of the rules of war.

Starting point is 02:24:46 And it's a pretty great message because... I didn't watch any of it because I don't really watch streams, but I saw some of the titles and I thought it was really smart. Fun little challenge to do. I think gamers are never going to care about these rules as long as they are detrimental to gameplay. And right now they would be detrimental to gameplay. But here's a question for you.

Starting point is 02:25:08 Thirsting is a genuine mechanic in a lot of Battle Royale games right now. Sure. But then is there not an argument to be made that you should be considered to be out of the round if you are incapacitated? No, so that's like, it would take game developers to make this a thing i even really like the give medical aid to anyone in need friend or foe very interesting making a mechanic

Starting point is 02:25:32 where you or your team receives some form of benefit for administering medical aid to a a downed foe and it like it then makes them respawn or something as the mechanic, but then you gain extra points is super interesting because you would have to be administering it, so it takes you out of the game for a second as well. But you could make it fun

Starting point is 02:25:56 and make it so that it's not a war crime anymore. But it's possible in my opinion. Yeah, I think it's totally possible. Yeah. I think watching some of the streams, like if you're into watching streams, could be fun though. I personally enjoy...

Starting point is 02:26:15 The challenges. Yeah, inflicting like custom rules in games because it makes it very fun. It's fun to watch other people do that as well, so maybe check some of it out. Yeah. And now it's time to check out when show after dark. Are you guys enjoying the more structured sort of show format that we have now?

Starting point is 02:26:31 Let us, let us know, let us know in the comments. Yeah. Can you even tell that we changed anything? So Dan's got kind of guidelines for how long we should do some topics. And then when we should explain merch messages, when we should talk about, you know, what's new on LTT Store this week.

Starting point is 02:26:47 And then the idea is to have the main sort of tech discussion be a little bit less encumbered by talking about LTT Store or merch messages or whatever else, so that we kind of get through it in the early part of the show. So people who only care about that only have to watch. I think we've been live for about two hours, something like that. And then while still allowing us to address the vast majority of the merch messages that come in, or at least a good number of them.

Starting point is 02:27:16 I don't know if we're going to get to all of them this week. You guys went absolutely wag nannas for the wag hoodie. I couldn't have estimated that we were going to move this many of a dog sweater but hey you know i'm here for it um it was it was a passion it was a passion project a labor of love for from the from the merch team uh was not something we expected to be a big profit center and it still won't be at that price, but, like, whatever. It's fun. You've got to have fun. All right, Dan.

Starting point is 02:27:49 Okay, we're going to go right into curated. You guys can go through some of the potentials and respond by a text if you want, or curate them if you see something good. Luke, are you going top to bottom or bottom to top? I'm currently going... Are you a top or a bottom? I'm currently on top.

Starting point is 02:28:02 And you're power regardless, right? He has strong typing power oh my first curated oh there's your curated message uh kyle asks uh hi luke i'm currently in a networking class and i know that you got this one well why is it still there then get wrecked that's my fault. This is from Christopher. You talk about wanting to expand LTT Store into becoming a more mainstream product producer or whatever the terminology is. My question is,

Starting point is 02:28:34 would you consider sponsoring professional athletes? Yes. But not in the ways that you probably think. Sorry, I'm just finishing. Okay, it's really hard to multitask typing a thing. It's hard doing both. Oh, did you archive it already? Yeah. Oh, okay.

Starting point is 02:29:00 Do you want to sponsor athletes? Okay, that's okay. I can read it there. yeah oh okay you want to sponsor athletes uh okay that's okay i can read it there yeah i would but the reason that we would sponsor an athlete would be to account like to overcome uh a perceived deficiency in funding for a sport that i'm particularly passionate about so for example we actually did do a sponsorship deal for this year with a local badminton club uh they're called clear one and we sponsored their team but what i made really clear to the club owner was that i don't actually really care about my brand on the jersey quite frankly from a marketing perspective my reach is a lot greater than theirs like i don't I don't need the logo on the jersey. It doesn't matter. He wanted to do it, I think, because sometimes it can look good to have, you know,

Starting point is 02:29:50 good partners. And so he really wanted our logo on the jersey. But I kind of went, yeah, that doesn't matter to me at all. What mattered to me was that his plan for the funding was to use it for afterschool programs to kind of jumpstart afterschool programs outside of Richmond, where badminton is really popular, and into other parts of the lower mainland so that they could provide coaching time to kids that otherwise would never pick up a racket. So that I was really interested in. But just sponsoring an athlete, you know, other than as a vanity

Starting point is 02:30:27 project doesn't really have a ton of value to our brand from a business standpoint. That doesn't mean that I never make an emotional decision. I just mean that I have to look at it objectively first before succumbing to my emotions. Um, so with that in mind, like as a vanity project, would we ever consider sponsoring an athlete yeah sure um the sport that i happen to be passionate about is badminton and uh it is woefully underfunded in canada i think for the 20 i want to say 2016 was that a summer olympics i think it was the 2016 summer olympics it had literally zero dollars of funding. So the athletes that managed to get there had to do it all by the straps of their own boots. And that's absolutely ridiculous.

Starting point is 02:31:11 So that's the kind of thing that I could get behind. Like we wouldn't go after like the biggest in the space. But if it was someone who otherwise just wouldn't get a chance to compete, that's something that we'd consider. Okay, next up. I prepared for a lot of applications. This one's from Jordan. It's not something we're doing right now. Badminton funding is all tied up in opening our own center,

Starting point is 02:31:31 which is hopefully coming late this year. Everything funding is sort of currently tied up. It's just he's saying it's maybe something, maybe one day we could consider. We've already had a bunch of people ask, by the way. Oh, really? Not right now. I mean, historically. Oh, okay. I didn't even know about that. Yeah, it's like a thing. Hey, Dan, hit me.

Starting point is 02:31:48 With the rise of direct storage and games needing SSDs, would using PrimoCache to cache the most used data on a hard drive or slower SSD be a good alternative? Or could it interfere with DS making it skip cache? That's actually a really good question, and I think that it is possible that a solution like PrimoCache could interfere with the proper functioning of direct storage. Obviously, I haven't tested it yet because I'm being asked this question for the first time right now. But if direct storage thinks it's operating off solid-state media, which it doesn't necessarily have to,

Starting point is 02:32:25 so the latest direct storage update actually has a provision for directly streaming assets off of a hard drive. It's up to the developer whether to use that or not. And I would hope that most developers would try to use direct storage properly and we can just all move into the solid state era together. But, you know, hey, if you have it as a fallback, I could see that being really valuable for people who aren't ready

Starting point is 02:32:49 or able to move to solid state yet. But I would think that regardless of that, confusing direct storage and making it think it's pulling off solid state when actually it's a solid state cached hard drive could be a problem. And I wouldn't want to do that, because the whole point of direct storage is that we are eliminating extra hops in communication

Starting point is 02:33:12 and pulling data directly off of devices, expecting it at a certain speed. If it's coming in slower, I think it would probably result in gameplay anomalies. Hi, Luke. How does Floatplane handle technical debt? And is there anything you've learned from these challenges that you can apply at LMG? Apply at LMG? Not really. Because it depends on how you define floatplane i guess because floatplane the company does a lot more stuff than floatplane the website um technical debt in regards to floatplane the website is a problem we've had for sure uh there was a long time there where for various reasons

Starting point is 02:34:01 that i'm not going to go into because it would take an extremely long time to talk about all of it, we were chasing features a little bit harder than we probably should have been. And that resulted in quite a considerable amount of tech debt that we're, we currently over, we overcame a fair amount of it recently in order to release this beta site, which hopefully very soon will be just actually be the main site. But there's more work to be done.

Starting point is 02:34:26 And we're going to be doing that for a pretty considerable amount of the rest of the year, solving a lot of those problems. But ideally I try to do, you know, 10% time on maintenance to avoid it. We couldn't do that for a long time, which is why we are where we are. Tech debt is like not doing proper maintenance or falling behind on on versions or revisions of different pieces of software services that you use uh or not keeping up with different frameworks that you should be using like maybe you're using one that gets basically deprecated if not actually deprecated like maybe the original developers are like oh

Starting point is 02:35:00 we're still working on it just that you only ever see commits like once a year or something um yeah okay next up i saw colton at my local mall the other week i wasn't sure if i should approach him it made me think what is the typical etiquette expectations for those less in the limelight that work at lmg good question those less in the limelight that work at LMG? Good question. Those less in the limelight, why don't you answer it? Was it our etiquette? I wasn't sure if he was talking about himself. Yeah, himself. I don't really know. I've been trying to work through that in my own head.

Starting point is 02:35:39 It's awkward, I guess. I would like to assume that most people would appreciate the interaction but probably just don't take forever yeah I think that's the big one is sometimes people will approach you and they'll say hey I don't want to take any of your time and then they will proceed to take a bunch of your time and show you pictures of their cats and pictures of their computers and it's like that's fine but there's a time and a place for it. And that time and place is at an officially sanctioned meetup. So I'll see you at LTX. Right now, I'm meeting with my family and I'm paying attention to them and not you.

Starting point is 02:36:16 And I'm not working because that's the thing is as much as I'm, you know, actually just am so blessed, right, to have this community that has rallied around us. And it's like the coolest thing ever. This is my job. And like, I'm at work when I'm doing that. Sometimes I can choose to do it on my own personal time, but in the mall, I didn't. That wasn't my choice, right?

Starting point is 02:36:41 That was your choice. I wasn't in control. So with that in mind, I would say that in general, your best bet is, because we also don't like being watched surreptitiously, right? I can tell. And just because I ignore you doesn't mean I can't tell. So we don't like that for sure.

Starting point is 02:37:03 So your best bet is, you know, Hey, love your videos. See you later. I would personally always rather know if you're going to be stuck in the same vicinity as me for a while. I would personally appreciate if you earlier rather than later. Yes.

Starting point is 02:37:20 Yeah. If you acknowledge. Yeah. And if you're like, I'm feeling awkward, I don't really know what to say. Even just the hey love your videos hey love the wanshow hey love your thumbnails whatever it ends up being or just that like a hey i i see you because then like i don't know i know and that's cool yeah that's i appreciate knowing personally and like i think at this point

Starting point is 02:37:42 it's pretty fair for someone like me or luke to assume that we're being listened to in public so we we try to speak in coded language if we need to talk about anything that's confidential whether it's regarding product or uh the internal workings of line of speedy group or float plane or whatever else uh but it's still not everyone's going to it's still good for us to know you know that you know whatever i'm saying could be posted on reddit in 30 minutes or less and even if that's like obviously not your intention it's still just nice to know because if i end up figuring it out way later on i'm going to feel very awkward and uncomfortable like wondering now i have to run through everything that i just said since i've been in this area or whatever else and it's it's a little uncomfortable

Starting point is 02:38:24 everything that i just said since i've been in this area or whatever else and it's it's a little uncomfortable okay next up hi linus i work at sass company that specializes in software for the gym industry as you've worked towards opening your club is there any technology that surprised you surprised i'm very surprised at how behind the times the public address industry seems to be it is very much dominated by contractors value-added resellers it's it's like completely ass backwards what do you mean pa like public address oh okay yeah yeah um really yeah the the fact that it isn't just commodity inexpensive hardware and just some ip-based thing that just this thing on and just goes is mind-blowing to me the fact that they want like subscription services and cloud this and whatever that like. You could make one so easy.

Starting point is 02:39:26 To be clear, there are situations where that would make sense. If you're going to have a hundred different zones and you're going to need like a team of three operators because you're at some stadium or whatever. And you could be paging multiple things, whatever. Right. Like there are situations where that makes sense. But the fact that there isn't just, you know, aside from just, you know, running a long cable to your karaoke machine, right? The fact that there isn't just kind of a basic one, at least that my contractors were able to find, was mind-blowing to me. Canaps says in the floatplane chat, didn't Ubiquity try to get into public address?

Starting point is 02:40:02 I don't know, but based on my experiences with their products so far, I would love for them to do that. They're not cheap, but they're a lot cheaper. Like man, I got quoted. I, I,

Starting point is 02:40:14 I can't even find that. Basically I got quoted like tens of thousands of dollars for, and it was like a dozen, no, maybe like 16 speakers or something like that. And, um, whatever the point is, it was, it was outlandish, like absolutely ridiculous. These speakers were like 300 plus dollars each,

Starting point is 02:40:34 even though they were just speakers, there was no smartness in the speaker. Blah, blah, blah. First party vendor, blah, blah. I don't care. I just need anything that vibrates. So I was pretty annoyed. It was just replying to a new incoming one. All right, next up. My Wiz smart light bulbs recently updated, and a new feature they added was motion sensing. They say it uses Wi-fi signals to disruption wi-fi signal disruption

Starting point is 02:41:07 to sense movement how does this work and why isn't it more prevalent i have no idea and it'll be incredibly hard to detect but your i have no idea fleshy body does interact with yeah waves through the air so like i don't know how the heck you would measure that like consistently i understand it's a thing that happens but i don't know how you detect it like if it's in a if it's in a desk lamp right like or like a a bedside lamp how does it tell the difference between a very close cat or a far human i i don't know i have no idea i mean i believe it could be done yeah i just don't know how you do it it's weird it's just weird uh okay next up the destroyed van that was hit by the concrete at

Starting point is 02:41:56 the launch pad is still transmitting it was our camera van nasa space flight we still can't go to the pad to collect it yet though oh hilarious Oh, hilarious. Enjoy your tech sack, Kevin. Oh, so it was actually theirs. Yeah. Yeah, so it isn't external whatever whatever. Well, yeah, but no one said external. They just said no other damage. Yeah, that wasn't a question.

Starting point is 02:42:16 I just thought that was fun to include. No, because someone in floatplane chat or Twitch chat or something, I don't remember which one, was like, oh, they claimed it wasn't was no like external damage done it's like yeah oh well there wasn't it was their own van oh you talked about the launch pad though as like a damage yeah yeah sorry they were they were saying oh okay i i misunderstood you earlier then okay so then all right wait what no i don't think you did yeah i think you're misunderstanding me now i don't think you did. Yeah, I did. I think you're misunderstanding me now. I don't think so. Okay. Because earlier, what I thought you were saying was that someone else was saying that there was no damage to anything other than the rocket. That's what the doc said.

Starting point is 02:42:53 Oh. Yeah. Well, then that's not true. Correct. Because that van was damaged. Yes. NASA Space Flight's van. And the platform.

Starting point is 02:43:00 Yes. Which is what I said. Then we're good. Yeah. We got there. I like it better when mom and dad fight this is awful stop being so agreeable uh all right next up hi linus what are some crucial tips or advice for also nasa space flight is a third party group wow that's a very confusing name but cool and i follow you follow you on Twitter, I'm pretty sure.

Starting point is 02:43:25 Neat. I thought it was official. What are some crucial tips or advice for a new company to make a product? How do you go from prototype to finding a manufacturer? What are some big mistakes to avoid? There's so many questions today that are like six questions in one. Yeah. Oh my goodness.

Starting point is 02:43:42 I try not to. I think what I'm going to be doing in my text responses i've been ignoring anything past the first question okay i think we're gonna have to make it one question per merch message it's actually getting like i just answered one that was like four questions yeah it's like whoa uh so some crucial tips and advice for a new company to make a product uh i think the biggest one is don't rush don't launch it until it's ready because you will regret it it's recalls are so much more expensive than another round of sampling that's the bottom line that's the that's the biggest piece of advice that i can give you and i'm not addressing the other two okay hit me

Starting point is 02:44:22 dan lol uh okay since you mentioned a keyboard and mouse is better than a controller how would you prove it to a stubborn non-techie friend that doesn't understand that it is in cases like shooters at least i would say that if whoever it is does not accept the the the superior control of a mouse in particular. I don't think that a keyboard is especially superior to an analog joystick. Um, and you know, all the other things that your fingers could do on some kind of controller. Um, but if they, if they, if they can't grasp, uh, the finer control that a mouse affords compared to a stick, um, there's probably just not really much that you can tell them or show them that would change their mind because this is no longer a rational conversation.

Starting point is 02:45:12 It's an emotional conversation. And the more you try to contradict them at that point, the deeper they're going to dig in if they behave like a person often does. they're going to dig in if they behave like a person often does. And since this sounds like from your tone, it's a conversation that you've had multiple times before, I would say that if you weren't successful before, you're probably unlikely to be successful and it might be better to just drop the subject. My experience that leads me to that advice is that I have been in a committed relationship for 18 years. No, I'm kidding. Actually, Yvonne's very easy to get along with, and she's quite rational, which makes my life much better.

Starting point is 02:45:56 But yeah, not much you can do about it. I'm going to interject with one. This was in Potentialist from Anonymous. Just got back from HIMMS, a health tech con in the u.s it was a lot of privacy and security experts talking about ai this year they recommend siloing llms or building them custom for health any thoughts called it this guy got him he called it yeah Yeah, that's 100% going to be a thing. So there you go. Okay, next up.

Starting point is 02:46:33 Hey, DLL, I'm a U.S. truck driver who has been listening to the WAN show while I drive for a long time. What are your thoughts on self-driving semi-trucks and the possible impacts on jobs or road safety? Oh, my. So this is tough, right? Because I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it's coming oh yeah um and this is another really tough conversation right because when we talk safety we have to talk safety from a statistical standpoint right so So autonomous semis could be safer even if people die as a result of their widespread adoption, which is hard to wrap your brain around, right? Because what we'd like to think is that these autonomous vehicles could reach a level of perfection in their operation, right?

Starting point is 02:47:24 But that's not realistic. And even if they're not perfect, as long as they're better than, not necessarily you, you might be a great driver who would never make a mistake. But as long as they're better than the average, the transition could make sense. And what we also know, thank you capitalism, is that even if they aren't quite better than the average, companies looking to save a buck will be just champing at the bit to adopt them. So they're coming. impact on road safety to to a degree as for the impacts on jobs i think both luke and i are whatever the word is for people who kind of take an adapt or die stance um ai is coming for creative jobs too at this point hey i thought we had a lot more time but we're staring at we're staring down the gun barrel going okay well let's act now or die.

Starting point is 02:48:25 And we choose to act, right? So there's songs right now where people have spoofed Drake's voice and they're like popular and people listen to them. Yep. It's coming for us all. Yeah, we've got, this is someone there. Someone in Twitch chat.

Starting point is 02:48:47 There will always be an operator. Think trains, think planes. No, there won't. Not necessarily. Okay. That's a scary one. Let's move on. Hey DLL, with it being possible to hide a Trojan attack in USB devices such as a drive or keyboard,

Starting point is 02:49:13 do you think there's a concern that cheap USB products from unknown companies could be malicious? We've got a great video coming on the OMG cable. Really spooky device. Are you familiar with that one i recognize it but i don't think so it's basically a rubber ducky but in the form of a completely non-descript usb cable it doesn't look like it's capable of carrying any sort of payload um i just looked it up yeah yeah tanner's been playing around with it over the course of this week, and it's going to be a wild video.

Starting point is 02:49:46 It's going to blow people's minds if they haven't heard of it. This is a huge problem. Yeah, no, it's, like, really bad. Okay, so USB condoms are going to become more of a thing now. Yeah, 100%. I think we need to distribute those. Yeah. Could we put the OMG cable in a USB condom and then distribute those

Starting point is 02:50:03 and then screw people over that way? What are you even talking about? Nothing is safe. Nothing is safe. Oh, great. I think they're devices where it just passes through power pins, right? That's right. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:50:17 So it doesn't allow for data transfer. So if you want to go to like a public spot or something like that, you can be a little bit more safe. Yeah. Okay. Next up. want to go to like a public uh spot or something like that you can be a little bit more safe yeah uh okay next up hey linus and luke if you could have one tech tip telepathically message to every person on earth in whatever language they understand um turn it off and turn it back on let go! What would it be? All right. I guess if you push in new ones, it pushes them down for me. Saving for a backpack, last one lasted 14 years. I'm sure the LTT one will as well.

Starting point is 02:50:56 Hey, Luke, if your current car were to go kaput, what would be on your short list for replacement? I don't know. My car will never die. Yeah, it's a Honda. It's a Honda. It's never going to die. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:51:15 But if it did, through no fault of its own. Probably, yeah. That's probably more likely, to be completely honest. Probably another one. Same age. It would also be mint honda boy honda boy same age yeah probably not the the actual same generation but i do like certain things about it um about it like not being a a modern car in some ways not having android auto sucks that part does kind of suck but i do also just have a phone so it's not the worst thing in the world

Starting point is 02:51:48 someone said it's supposed to buy my 2020 tlx yeah yeah that's funny i don't think i'm actually gonna do that but yeah um someone mentioned that they have a 2020 tlx in the exact color that i want which is like the same but modern version of mine I'm like that's kind of cool but I don't want to do that yeah I don't know I really like my current car and I fit in it well

Starting point is 02:52:17 and I'm like decently tall but I'm also just a very weird proportion yeah he has like legs that are the same length as mine in spite of the fact that he's like eight inches, nine inches taller than me. Yeah, my torso is like, is ridiculously tall. We have to compensate by boosting my chair. Yeah, but my legs, like my legs are actually not very long.

Starting point is 02:52:39 My torso is just really, really long. So sitting in cars is like a particularly annoying thing for me because my head will always be in the roof. There are cars that even with like the best I can do with setting up the seat, I have to pull the sunroof back and shove my head up in the sunroof so that I can sit properly. I'm pretty particular about like the fit in the car and my acura is legitimately like pretty much the best i've ever dealt with so unless they've screwed that up in the many years since mine was made because mine's a 2009 which means it was you know probably made in 2008 um it's very it's very possible they've screwed it up but i sort of doubt it they don't make actually just tls anymore they make tlxs which is the the other one and tl merged together

Starting point is 02:53:33 so maybe they have screwed it up but i don't know we'll see hopefully i don't have to choose anytime soon because my car is never going to die so it is what it is we We can all hope. Okay, next up. What is your top tech product, non-LDT, and new game you can't wait for? That's another two questions. Thanks for the infotainment. More hot and lukewarm takes, please. I'm struggling today. Honestly, my top tech product right now

Starting point is 02:54:01 has got to be the ROG Ally. I'm really excited for it. Double the performance of the Steam Deck. It's so much quieter. I can't emphasize enough how much quieter it is and how important that is to me. I finally played Stray. It's fine.

Starting point is 02:54:14 A little overhyped. But I... Is it at least like a cool new take on a game? I enjoyed how little help it gave you. Cool. And I don't remember the last time i really just like i just meowed for no reason like i was just role playing a cat goose game yeah but that was more just like

Starting point is 02:54:36 i was for a reason is that being a goose is to just be an a**hole right not being a goose i guess okay sure fine that's fair that's fair, other than that, like, I... Sure. It is different. I will admit it is different. Yeah, I was in my character. I played it in a combination of on the ROG Ally, and then I also played it in the theater room.

Starting point is 02:54:56 I finally got my fiber optic connections running back to my computer, so I can play in my theater room without violating the spirit of the AMD Challenge, which, yes, is still on my radar, even though it's been kind of a nothing burger. Is it? Yeah. Is it still on your radar? I'm gaming. It's been three months or something?

Starting point is 02:55:16 I'm PC gaming. Okay. It's on my radar. And Stray was perfect. In fact, Stray was too perfect. On the Ally, I'm very confused. All of my notes for this AMD challenge are gonna be worthless, because there will be

Starting point is 02:55:30 so many driver revisions from when I did my testing, and you and Jake finally get around to doing yours that it's not even gonna make any sense. You know what? No, maybe that's part of the story, though. The progression? Yeah. Maybe we just weave it in. There's always a way. We'll make it work. that's how we do i got distracted by incoming again where is my brain today got him

Starting point is 02:55:58 um let's see as a software dev manager of hybrid, I feel my work's company push to get people back into the office is sidelining remote employees. How do you avoid the same issue, especially on the float plane side? Thanks. Well, at LMG, we called everyone back to the office. So actually, we do allow some work from home. The problem is that so much of what we do is not work from homeable. You actually cannot operate a camera from home. The problem is that so much of what we do is not work from homeable. You actually cannot operate a camera from home. And in the interest of fairness, because you'd be

Starting point is 02:56:32 amazed how petty and political things can get even regarding things like, you know, which departments have which kinds of snacks in their snack supply. It's easier for us to have a policy that can be applied to everyone. So work from home is like on a, on a pre-approval basis. It's not, or rather is on a per approval basis rather than just being pre-approved. And that's the way that we've handled it is we've always been an in the office company. And so we're in, in the office company again, now that it's no longer essential from like a public health emergency standpoint to do remote work. And the quality of the product is better. Simply put, it just is.

Starting point is 02:57:15 Fullplane has the same policies before COVID that we do now. We just went back to those. Okay. now we just went back to those okay Nenhancer says no adult is amazed by work pettiness the amount of drama that can be caused by a coffee machine let me tell you I wish one day they'll let me touch it no there. It's theirs. I've never even seen it.

Starting point is 02:57:49 If I see another complaint generated by that coffee machine, I will personally throw it in the garbage. Personally. Why are people complaining about a coffee machine? It doesn't matter. If I see one, if I hear another complaint about that coffee machine, I will throw it away. I will do it myself. Okay. okay well how about another merch message uh hey luke and dan and maybe linus as well

Starting point is 02:58:13 in all of your years working at ltd has linus ever had an i'm linus sebastian and this is my company moment i curated this for you because I was really curious about your response Yeah, it's happened Really? Okay Yeah, it definitely has More than once I mean, yeah I don't think I can recognize it

Starting point is 02:58:33 I will round this corner in a way that you might not expect though And say it's very uncommon Okay I think it would be probably less common than people watching would expect But it does happen i don't know sometimes you gotta flex the veto power um sometimes it's in like cool ways where people like want you to it's not always in cool ways but like sometimes it is where like everyone will be like yeah we probably shouldn't do this for like all these different reasons but they all want to

Starting point is 02:59:03 but there's like a lot of logical reasons why we shouldn't do it and you'll be like screw it we're doing it anyways and it's like yes but like like examples i don't have great examples for this maybe whale land would be something whale land would definitely be one of those versions yeah like this is a perfect example for that a lot of people are going to come at you with the, okay, well, I do business decision things at your company. I need to explain to you how many different ways this is dumb. And like, we shouldn't do it technically based off that. And then you can veto and go like, well, we're doing it anyways, because it's cool.

Starting point is 02:59:39 And I want to have a land. It's like, okay, sweet. Okay. But what about times I've done it that it's not cool? Yeah. wanted to have a land it's like okay sweet okay but what about times i've done it that it's not cool yeah i i know this has happened but i don't have a example right now because honestly again it doesn't happen that often so like i don't think it's happened very recently and i don't remember it's happened though i don't know it's just not that common. Dan. Dan, you got anything? No, I think you're very level-headed and reasonable. Oh my god. Don't be such a kiss-ass. I've only known you for like a year. Go more. Go more. You gotta get a raise.

Starting point is 03:00:18 Okay, let's see if my wife- You can have a go XLR. My wife. You can have a go XLR. Can come up with anything. Oh, my soul just left. Some of my body. Hello? Hey, you're live on the WAN show.

Starting point is 03:00:36 We had a question. Oh, shoot, it's not there anymore. But basically, it was along the lines of, has there ever been a moment in LMG's history when Linus has had a, I am Linus Sebastian and this is my company moment. And I thought you might have a good one. You mean besides the time when you told me you had to have 51% of the company when we started it?

Starting point is 03:01:00 Okay. Yeah, that's probably pretty good. Thanks, hon. See you at home. Thanks for coming in with the saves. Appreciate it. You win. See you later. Got him! See, there's not that many, but they happen. They definitely happen. There's just not that many. In my defense, it's purely symbolic. Sure. It's true. Sure. It's true. Sure.

Starting point is 03:01:26 We have no prenup. Sure. We are a 50-50 marriage. Uh-huh. So half of my 51% of the shares belong to her, and half of her 49% of the shares belong to me. We should get into the share conversation. And talk about times that Linus said,

Starting point is 03:01:43 screw you, it's my company. Or we can go to the next person. You haven't even been able to think of any smart guy. Well, that's one. I mean, I don't make unilateral decisions. We can go to the next person. Occasionally I make unilateral decisions. It's rare.

Starting point is 03:02:02 I try not to. It is genuinely rare. I think there's also cases where, like like if you're leading pretty much anything, you're going to have to sometimes, even if it's just for like efficiency case. Because like you can just go around in circles about something forever. And eventually someone has to make it stop. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:02:18 Here's one where there was a lot of internal conversation about why we don't cover paying for alcohol at company events. So we'll cover food. We'll cover entertainment. We don't cover alcohol. In some cases, actually, there's an exception. We do cover two drinks at the Christmas party. But aside from the Christmas party, just at events, you are, as long as it is safe, welcome to purchase and consume your own alcohol, but we don't pay

Starting point is 03:02:45 for it. And this was a very circular conversation with both employees and people in the leadership team, where it was like, you know, we're being prude. It's just because you don't drink. It's this, it's that, it's that, it's that, it's that. It went around and around and around and around and around. I basically went, look, it's a liability concern. The last thing I need is people behaving in ways that are inappropriate on company time, on company money. Whether you accept it and acknowledge it or not doesn't really matter to me because this has been a problem. because this has been a problem. Not just, you know, anecdotally in the news or whatever, but even at companies that people here were at previously.

Starting point is 03:03:33 This is an actual real problem and it simply isn't going to happen and the conversation is now over. Was pretty much where I came at it from. And, you know, part of it is the fact that I feel like I've already given a bulletproof argument and I don't really feel like we need to keep talking about it. And the other part of it is that, you know, the people that I'm discussing this with are coming at it with no skin in the game, right? Like if there's a, if there is some kind of event, even if it's a 1% or a 0.1 or a 0.01% chance of some kind of something bad happening,

Starting point is 03:04:06 I'm the one who's liable, not you. So this is my gamble, not yours, which means I make the call, not you. And that's one of those examples. And that's one of those moments. Yeah. They're just not common, but they're going to happen. Um, and then right. The other part of it was, you know, to happen um and then right the other part of it was you know i also just don't see why this really matters i'm sorry your entertainment budget isn't big enough would you like no entertainment budget because the last time i checked that ain't in the employee agreement this is not a requirement um and you know yeah mean, maybe sometimes I do get a little salty about this stuff. Like the fact that within two months of us implementing free snacks, the fact that it had managed to generate disgruntlement blew my mind. We went from having no free snacks to it being political and generating complaints and hurting morale in seemingly an unfathomably

Starting point is 03:05:08 short period of time. And, you know, my immediate response, fortunately, I have people around me that help me be more measured. And I also am a pretty experienced business person, I guess, at this point. But my immediate response to something like that is, okay, no snacks then. business person, I guess, at this point. But my immediate response to something like that is, okay, no snacks then. Like, no soup for you. Like, why on earth am I paying money to generate complaints, right?

Starting point is 03:05:32 We have not done away with snacks. In fact, we have expanded the snack program. But I, you know, I do, yeah, I'm a person, right? And this is, I mean, this comes down to that same, that conversation that comes up time and again about whether LMG should unionize, right? From my point of view, well, that's a decision that needs to be made by the LMG staff. There's nothing I could do to prevent it. But me, as a person, as an emotional being, I would feel like I failed.

Starting point is 03:06:02 And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Because we do actually try. We do actually try to make this a great place to work. And we try to make it the kind of place to work that you wouldn't need protection from us. Um, and we would want you to not feel like you do. I mean, if you did, then ultimately that's, that's your choice, right? Um, but I would like to believe that as long as we continue to put in our best effort, that you won't feel that's necessary. But like I said, there's nothing I could do to prevent it, legally. Okay, last curated merch message. I know this is a big question, but assuming AI and robotics continue to advance at the rate it has been, would you ever be comfortable with an AI or an AI robot taking care of your children or the elderly?

Starting point is 03:06:52 Children, no. Elderly, anything that gets them off my case. There's a movie about that. Is that the quiet part out loud again? Probably. There's a movie about that yeah it's robot and frank phenomenal film uh old guy his son pawns him off with this like robot caretaker and he teaches it to do crimes nice it sounds hilarious it's phenomenal it's really really good cool um and now we're back into potential i'm still trying to chew away at these do you want to maybe you can start reading them or you're welcome to respond

Starting point is 03:07:32 via text i think you guys can are you still going bottom up yep so i'm going to jump more into the middle and i think you maybe read from the top sure let me try to parallelize let's go sounds good hi linus on wancho a month or so back, you talked about carrying your Ludwig bidet on the LTT store. Are you still working on that? Oh, yeah. How are you liking yours? It's good.

Starting point is 03:07:54 I wish I had one on every toilet. I don't, so I can't claim that my butt is particularly clean right now, but sometimes it's clean. Who do I file complaints to? Hey, DLL. You're a union rep. We have HR now. Yeah, we do.

Starting point is 03:08:13 Hey, DLL, I can't find... HR isn't on a particular side, as far as I can tell. HR exists to keep both sides from yelling at each other. It's a good thing. Yeah. Hey, DLL. I can't find record of Linus talking about ZDTV or Tech TV ever before. Did you watch it as a youth like myself?

Starting point is 03:08:34 I didn't have cable. So, no. Me neither. So, also no. I became aware of Tech TV when I met Chris Perillo, basically. I only knew him as Locker Gnome. I didn't even know that he had a career in media. I probably did before

Starting point is 03:08:49 I met him, met him, but I didn't know as I was chasing him in YouTube subscriber count in my early years. You introduced me to both of those because I had no idea because I also didn't have cable. I've always wondered,

Starting point is 03:09:05 other than GPU block and CPU block, why standard plumbing fittings from the hardware store are not used as water cooling components in a computer? Is it a compatibility problem? Yes. For the most part, they use completely different thread standards than what you would use in a water cooling system in a computer. And for good reason. They often have much longer threads. They're designed to operate for 50, 100 years uninterrupted. So, you know, you'll have threads that are this long and meant to be wrapped with Teflon tape and like threaded in with a wrench.

Starting point is 03:09:39 Like it's not practical to work on a computer like that. You'd have to have blocks that stuck this far off your motherboard, right? So they're just, nothing would prevent you from using them if you had compatible blocks, but blocks aren't designed to use them because it kind of sucked. That's how a lot of things used to work. Like thermochill fitting, thermochill radiators, for example, used to use BSPP three eights or something like that. I don't know. They were these enormous threaded fittings, and they were lower restriction, but it wasn't necessary. So moving to industry standard G1 quarter was the ultimate good play. Any plans for other styles of the WAG hoodie?

Starting point is 03:10:18 I'd love to match my short circuit one. Also, cat beds when? Cat beds actually coming sooner than you think we are in our second stage of sampling do you know about this what sorry the cat beds oh yes yeah so it's a it's a pc tower with the side panel off and the side panel is a little bed and then we also have a crt monitor that the cat can go inside oh my god yeah i know right um there's definitely been some communication challenges with the supplier but we are still working on it hi linus and luke long time fan of the show we are expecting our first child in june question thinking of your kids what future tech are you most excited for or most worried about

Starting point is 03:11:05 for them to be using cheers ai howdy from the rocky mountains my wife and i are picking up uh the book and sorter for a family announcement what advice would you give to people who are going to be first-time parents don't say ai again um have fun enjoy it i know that's such a stereotypical answer but like man i can barely pick up my eldest anymore and you know you kind of someday i won't be able to do it anymore and you're gonna wish you could do it one more time, you know? Oof. Catching the feels on Wancho.

Starting point is 03:11:50 Yeah. It's okay. It's okay. Linus is going to the gym with me. We'll make it so you can lift. Yeah, but he's coming to the gym, too. He's going to get huge. Yorked.

Starting point is 03:12:04 Hey, guys. Love the show. Linusus have you played around with mb anymore what are your thoughts on how it compares to plex i haven't i've been lazy in spite of the fact that there are still some things broken in plex like just playing the next uh the next show for example is like maybe a 50 50 shot for me on the android Android app. It's really frustrating, but I'm just, I'm lazy. Do you think it's okay for people, users in an office, to be computer literate? What baseline of computer ability do you think people should have nowadays? The question is, is it okay for them to be illiterate? No. I think that computer literacy is basically a necessity for functioning in the modern world and if you're computer illiterate it reveals to me that you are an an uncurious um person that's a bad one yeah because the internet and technology is your gateway to learning, right?

Starting point is 03:13:08 And so if you haven't figured out what an efficient learning tool it is, then you either haven't looked that hard or you just don't care, which to me means you probably are uncurious. An uncurious person. Linus and Luke, working in and around your industries and for all the knowledge you have, no one sees the future. What sort of, what's some tech you are completely surprised by that came into being? Well, I am on the record on WAN Show saying crypto would never be used for anything. Like real transactions, not never be used for anything.

Starting point is 03:13:44 I said it wouldn't be used for any real transactions. When someone made news for buying a house with it or something like that, I was like, well, that's a one-off. So that worked out great for me. Yeah. I thought VR was closer and AI was further. Yeah. We still haven't hit that date that I said for VR,

Starting point is 03:14:06 but I don't think it's looking good. I don't know. Apple's upcoming headset. They might launch and save my prediction out of nowhere. Some insiders who have tested it are like, it blew me away or something. No way to tell if they're telling the truth, though. Well, hopefully. But yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:14:24 Excited the WAG hoodie is finally here. Linus, do you think you'll try the pixel fold when it comes out or just stick with the galaxy fold? I will 100% try a hypothetical pixel fold when it comes out. There are some definite frustrations with the galaxy fold. I'll be very curious to see if YouTube or if Google on their own device manages to fix some of the problems I still have with the YouTube app on this one. If they don't, rest assured, I will tear them a new one over it. Luke, I know you don't like and don't shop on Amazon, but with items being cheaper on Amazon than stores, it's easier to just buy on Amazon,

Starting point is 03:15:06 especially when money's tight. What do you think? Yeah, it's tough. I don't for the reasons that I have, but I don't expect that others necessarily do the same. I also, I'm very cheap in a lot of ways. And then also I make good money. So it's not generally a problem for me. So I will go out of my way and often end

Starting point is 03:15:26 up spending more to get it from mom and pop shops and brick and mortars whenever I can, um, or find alternatives when I can't, but I am not about to sit here and preach at people, um, telling them to spend extra money on things that they maybe can't afford when they're just doing what they can to get by. So do what you're going to do. Yeah, that's about it. Any updates on Linus's smart home? Still using and enjoying Home Assistant? I've been using it for years in open source software for the win. Yep, still using Home Assistant. Still happy with it other than those switches that I'm still having trouble with, with Z-Wave JS or whatever. I'm hopefully going to switch over to those upcoming Innaveli ones.

Starting point is 03:16:13 Project Linus. Oh, hey, how'd their, um, how'd their Indiegogo go? Uh, Innaveli. I haven't looked at it recently. Hmm. Okay. Okay. Adding looked at it recently. Hmm. Okay. Adding keyword Indiegogo. I swear like Google search has

Starting point is 03:16:32 gotten a lot worse. Wow. They raised 222,000 US dollars. They have nine days left. Okay. Well, that is funded. So yeah, hopefully I'll get switches at some point. That'll be cool. Where are we in potential?

Starting point is 03:16:48 There we are. Linus, any updates on LTT and Espanol? Yes. Right now, I think it's like 10 days behind or something like that because there's like gating that's going on with the AI service that we're using to translate. That's unfortunate. Yeah, well, the workaround is that we just use multiple accounts

Starting point is 03:17:12 and they're apparently okay with it or something. Yeah, no, no, no. Ed's working through it with them. Cool, okay. The goal for him this quarter is to get it to within two days of release for LTT. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:17:25 Hey, LLD, what is currently a piece of tech that you are really impressed with right now, besides AI? Well, PlayStation 5 is kind of killing it. PSVR, too. It's kind of awesome. I think the mobile gaming devices, just as a pool. Steam Deck, the new one, whatever it's called uh ally ally that one those things they're cool i love the ally is wait well let me get the bell no it's not fun now

Starting point is 03:17:58 will it be worthy yeah he's not gonna do it okay uh i love these new stickers I was wondering if you had plans to do a bird option we have two con conures a lie is cool and that's the truth it's actually pretty good you waited long enough that no one was expecting it and it became good again that was very that was very tactical of you um he's getting advanced i'm not gonna lie when i saw the the cat and dog stickers today i was like a bird one would be pretty cool but i don't think i'm not anywhere even remotely close to as many people have birds than people i think you're the only one i know one else here that i'm aware of has birds yeah and i think the cats and dogs stickers are like the company's cats and dogs, right? So unless you want a sticker pack of two birds that are both mine.

Starting point is 03:18:52 You know what? You know what? We'll do a pin. Oh, that's cool. Oh, that's pretty cool. That is cool. Wait for him to send his text message. No, no, hit me.

Starting point is 03:19:05 That's sweet. Linus, I produce my company's YouTube channel, working alongside with my SME, who has ADHD, and is our brand ambassador. All right. What kinds of methods have you employed to ensure your personality shines through the script? The easiest way is to edit all the scripts myself,

Starting point is 03:19:23 which is not particularly efficient but i haven't found a better way yet so cool yeah sweet have you ever considered incorporating magnets into garments? Would love a magnetically detachable hoodie on lttstore.com. We do have magnets in some of our garments. Our shorts have magnets and magnetic flaps on the side pockets. I'm trying to think if there's anywhere else that we use magnets. Probably. I can't remember off the top of my head.

Starting point is 03:20:03 But I will tell you that a magnetically attaching hoodie would not be a great idea and the reasons for that are a couple fold so one is that in order for them to be strong enough they would have to be quite large um which adds cost and complexity and construction and also increases weight and having that around a hood could be quite challenging also there'd be no way to make it sure that it really attaches permanently when you're grabbing on it garments get manhandled a lot it's it's sort of inherent and the third reason is that they can be damaged by heat so anything that would go in the dryer um you could risk the magnets losing some of their magnetic strength over time and something like

Starting point is 03:20:46 a hoodie becomes non-functional if the magnetic strength falls too much something like a pocket that's already kind of being held down by gravity but the magnet just keeps it clicked into place is less likely um to suffer like a a a functionality um deficiency due to the loss of magnetic strength. So something that we have to use strategically. I love magnets though. Pretty cool. We've got some curated here. I think you guys did.

Starting point is 03:21:16 Hi, Dan. And I guess Linus and Luke, two questions. Do you think you'll ever do a collab with Bitwit again? And whatever happened to Brian, the electrician? Brian moved. you'll ever do a collab with bitwit again and whatever happened to brian the electrician uh brian moved and i think we were potentially discussing doing a collab with kyle like like upcoming i haven't worked with him in forever just because of travel and stuff but yeah we're don't worry we're still we're still friends hi linus and luke watched everything since the parking lot days before when existed any plans to implement a feedback from the working for lmg

Starting point is 03:21:46 videos p.s luke's mom on wancho again when uh feedback from the working video linus can't watch it so uh i i believe the rest of us can um so there's there's what i can say is there's already been some effort, but like a lot of the things that we're complaining about, we're already known issues, which is good. Yeah. Because we, we did a round of one-on-one interviews with HR and literally everyone before we did that video.

Starting point is 03:22:17 So yeah, I'm not watching the video cause I said I wouldn't, but I wouldn't expect there to be any surprises there. There wouldn't be any surprises. So yeah. Um, and like there, there are things that even before the one-on-ones, a lot of them, we I wouldn't but I wouldn't expect there to be any surprises there there wouldn't be any surprises so yeah And like there are things that even before the one-on-ones a lot of them We already already knew and we're working on a lot of them are related to just being being an extremely high velocity workplace And there's things being done to work on that I don't know yeah all the other managers can watch it just he can't watch it you don't

Starting point is 03:22:43 Joseph asks when are we gonna get a Linus and Luke review sexualized LTT fan art video? Floatplane exclusive. What? I already typed the response. We are never doing that. The last thing we need is to egg you people on. There is a lot of it, though. What's going on?

Starting point is 03:23:02 I thought we were almost out, but now there's... Oh, it's incoming incoming they don't stop coming uh yeah i think linus if you start at the top of incoming um thanks for making my friday and saturday so much better llnd what's a life lesson you could learn from an aging piece of technology tape drive record player cassette. What speaks to you? I still love hard drives. Yeah. I love the marriage of digital and mechanical innovation that, like, the hard drive is one of those, what's the quote?

Starting point is 03:23:45 Something sufficiently advanced technology is indiscernible from magic. Hard drives are indiscernible from magic to me. And I don't mean that literally. I understand how they work. Even if you deeply understand how they work, it's still just like, what? There's hurricane force winds inside a hard drive. And yet it still manages to operate just at nanoscale. Yeah, it's like I forget I forget how a WD rep described it to us once but it was like a bird flying three inches over the ground in a hurricane or something like that like and managing to like perform this task like it's

Starting point is 03:24:21 Mind-blowing to me hard drives. I love hard drives. Those are cool. I like game cartridges. I also, okay, here's a controversial take. I like hard drives because I miss the thinking sounds computers make. I don't miss that. Not even a little. I know, but I do. If you watch an old movie and, like they've got to do something on the computer,

Starting point is 03:24:47 and you hear it like... I'm like, that is so sick. So cool. Floppy drive seeking noises, that sort of thing. Yeah. It's great. Yeah, it's sweet. But electric cars putting speakers in their engine bays to make the sound of ICE cars is stupid.

Starting point is 03:25:03 And I don't want my computer to like have a speaker that makes it sound like it's working that's stupid i just want it to like actually if it's actually a thing that's cool that's it m.2 ssd that has a speaker that plays hard drive noises i hate it come on aliexpress let's go okay a couple more curated here hey linus for transparency's sake why don't you guys talk about bill of materials, bill of services, and how much you make on a product, your margins? Maybe start with today's launch, the WAG hoodie. Other than that, they're none of your business.

Starting point is 03:25:37 I don't really know. Yeah. If we were a public company we would disclose that because our shareholders have a vested interest um but if we decide to strategically take lower margin on one product and make it up somewhere else i just don't really feel like I owe anybody an explanation for that. Um, you know,

Starting point is 03:26:09 for us, it's more about making sure that the quality of the product justifies the end retail price. Um, you know, compared to compared to other, other competing products out there. And I just don't really think,

Starting point is 03:26:27 I don't really think it matters. Yeah, the people are talking in chat, like even in private companies or even in public companies, margins are expressed more generally or sometimes a business unit by business unit, but generally not all the way down to an individual product. A lot of companies consider that to be just highly confidential, like trade secret information

Starting point is 03:26:51 even, like how much margins they're able to make. Because say AMD knew how much margin NVIDIA was making on an RTX 4090, they could take that information and turn it around into a competitive advantage against NVIDIA by squeezing TSMC or board partners or whatever else the case may be. So I can see why AMD would want to know, but I don't see why there would be any benefit to NVIDIA to disclose that. Okay, next up. Linus, how has your neurodivergence hindered you on the path to getting to the successful place you are today? What strategies do you use to overcome it? Or has it possibly helped in certain scenarios?

Starting point is 03:27:37 I don't really think of... What are we divergent from if we are all divergent? What are we divergent from if we are all divergent? Yeah, I'm about to get spicy here because I don't necessarily consider ADHD to be neurodivergent in that sense. I don't really consider it to be a major disadvantage. I think everybody's a little bit different and we can try and group people into buckets and sort them by color or by, you know, the method that they are best approach a problem or, you know, whatever else it is. But at the end of the day, all we get is the hand we're dealt and, you know, we got to make it work. And there's definitely been times that not being able to focus on stuff has been challenging. I mean, I flunked out of school. That's a pretty bad mark.

Starting point is 03:28:24 The beginning of the hack. Yeah. I mean, I was pretty, pretty useless there, right? There's definitely times that it's challenging, but the best thing that you can do, I think, is surround yourself with people that make you better. Surround yourself with people who fill those holes, right? Like, you know, take my wife. She is super focused, but doesn't have that same creative dragon energy that I do. So she found a partner that fills her holes, right? Which is good. I was not going to dignify that.

Starting point is 03:29:01 I'm recognizing some of the words that were said now because I was very focused on what I was typing. Wow. Wow. Wow. We have five seconds left until our end of time. Let's not leave there. All right. We still got some incoming.

Starting point is 03:29:26 Leaving it there would be so funny, though. Just end the stream. If you say bye, I have to play the outro. It would be a bit of a flaccid point to leave it on. We should keep going. Yay! Nice one, Luke. I haven't had one of those from you for a long time.

Starting point is 03:29:45 Any more incoming that pique your interest? How about Luke goes through that while I rapid-fire try to respond to them? Sounds good. Okay. So you're reading them out, to be clear. Okay. Sweet replacement to my Aorus P3X Thunder. Two questions.

Starting point is 03:30:05 Any plans for power play compatible sizes of the pads and any on the accounting team slated for an AMD upgrade? My wife is actually getting an upgrade. She's technically on the accounting team. As for power play compatible sizes of the pads, yeah, I think the 30 centimeter tall one fits right over top of a pad. You can see it in any of my recent setup videos.

Starting point is 03:30:28 So it just lays across it and that's how I use it. Hello, first I'm making it live to the WAN show and leaving a merch message. Do gift card values accumulate in my account or is it like I can only use one per purchase? Love you guys. They don't sit in your account i don't think i actually don't know how they work i've never bought a gift card from my own store technically me either yeah um i think i don't think it's maximum one per purchase i know no you can definitely use more than one per purchase i know that yeah i don't know if it's a code or not i think it's a code

Starting point is 03:30:59 shopify support i don't know i'm not sure. You could ask support. Yeah. Or it is a Shopify discard. So it's probably very Google. We have a new button in the merch message thing. What you can do is you can hit support and then it'll create a ticket for our support team. And then our support team should reach out to you via email that you left your merch message.

Starting point is 03:31:20 Okay, next up. Hey, DLL. That one just disappeared. Do you think there's a work opportunity for people with many skills rather than focusing on one i'm a shareholder rep at 29 years old but i used to be in ux and videography and with a degree in linguistics yeah totally what do you think dan that's youtubers in a nutshell hell yeah yeah you'll probably have to find a spot at a smaller company

Starting point is 03:31:45 yeah smaller companies definitely work better but yes acknowledge the uh well see ya bye have you seen the kickstarter for the flux keyboard it's very interesting and something i've never seen before yes it's cool how much time in a given work day do you guys consider appropriate to give organizing or document like documenting outlying clutter from projects around your desk? Well, we have five people, six now? We have a lot of people in the logistics department, so they help. As for how much is appropriate, well, you're going to have to do it one way or another. You can either do it as you go go you can do it when you're done

Starting point is 03:32:25 but it has to be done so it's however much it is I didn't really hear the question but yeah how much time should you spend cleaning your desk? shout out to Gianni hey DLL I asked Bing to generate some questions for WAN Show

Starting point is 03:32:41 and my favorite one of the list was what are some of your favorite virtual reality experiences? I actually really enjoyed Lucky's Tale. It was the first game that I played that I... Even though it's like a controller

Starting point is 03:32:58 game, I just felt so immersed in the world, even though it's just a platformer game. Lucky's Tale was the first this is an actual game and not just a tech demo. Not just like a roller coaster you sit on and feel nauseated, right? Yeah. My favorite experience really was just like

Starting point is 03:33:14 watching people get far too into it. When you see people like physically react by like way leaning out of the way or like jumping because they think they're actually gonna get hit by it or whatever. Like being afraid of a cliff, like walking a tightrope like yeah richie's plank experience is a classic for that yeah um okay next up acknowledge the forgotten chat twitch no oh and it's gone honestly how do

Starting point is 03:33:38 you folks make money on these 64 ounce bottle for 30 us dollars and wood quality it's great wow thanks bootlick more love it you bought two excellent great working on them enjoy your animal sticker pack and with that out of the way we are done for this week we'll see you again next time same bad time same bad channel

Starting point is 03:34:00 bye you're welcome for answering your gift card message I missed the rest of that chat because you sent it at the end oh that's what happens when we pause the queue see ya

The WAN Show - Are You Smarter Than Me? - WAN Show April 21, 2023

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